Dubai is continuing to amaze me. they just build everything there. no need to travel. might start calling it fantasy land!
everything is the biggest!! or tallest!!
i can imagine in 10-20 years time Dubai will be THE place to visit!

Who cares if its 50Deg outside.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/530/image00213ca.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1687/image0030dq.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7669/image0049by.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/343/image0055oy.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1023/image00117dg.jpg

HYDROPOLIS /200room underwater hotel!!!

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9149/hydropoilsdubai1ma.jpg

600ft ferris wheeel
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7228/wheel7pp.jpg

no worries with land ,just create your own!!

PALM RESORT
look at those skyscrapers!!!
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6695/dsc5361alarge2wg.jpg

http://www.dimc-uae.com/sailing/gallery/regatta/content/Regatta/Regatta%202006%20Day%203/_R9G8572.jpg



and of course-BURJ DUBAI - worlds tallest man-made structure!!
800m+

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/762/burjdubai28af.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/4141/00mb.jpg

Dubai is an oasis in a desert of mediocrity.

Apparently that big wheel is not to be built.

Amazing, Should i say. Too much Money?

what happens when they have an over supply of stuff and the property market crashes? they will need to start creating huge amounts of demand over there....

This pic is just crazy.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6695/dsc5361alarge2wg.jpg

YES! Only in dubai! Would be a huge change in temp going from desert to snow :P

Not only in Dubai - Japan has six of those already and there are a few in europe too.

^ as in snow in desert temps, Japan & Europe are already cold and snowbound.
i want to know WHY has Dubai all of a sudden burst into creating 300m skyscrapers (not to mention 800m BD), man made islands, ect ect. The infrastructure will be peaking. i think maybe some proejcts that have been mooted will stall but the city is booming and no sign of slowing.

yawn. Show off's just like the fully sick bro's trying to pick up chicks.

I'm soo visiting dubai when i have the money!

HAVE ANYONE REALISED THAT THE RENDER BELOW FEATURES THE SYDNEY SKYLINE? just look carefully at the background to the right. There you have AAPTower, Gros. Place, GPT, Chifley, etc.
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/4141/00mb.jpg
Hmmm..

Thats not sydney i don't think.. On the right you can see the emirate tower twins! But hmm but they could've copied our buildings!

I think you're right, they have adapted a Sydney skyline shot (looking Darling Habbour or Pyrmont Bridge at sunset) into the render.

Emulation is the great sign of flattery??

First they copy the name vision now they steal sydneys skyline!! This is disturbing.

OMFG How dare those show-off's steal our Aussie Icons :bash:

I think we oughta complain in the dubai section of the forum!

Oh - isn't that cute!

They've decided to build their own Gold Coast - ALL IN ONE GO!!!

it's only natural for Dubai to try and better the Gold Coast, like they must better every single thing that exists on this planet!

Next there will be a 250,000 seat stadium,staircase to the moon,a bigger banana, wannabe las vegas and much more!

They can keep that f+cken ugly Telstra building with the small square windows! And all the Meriton detritus as well. :)

Next there will be a 250,000 seat stadium,staircase to the moon,a bigger banana, wannabe las vegas and much more!
then after all that is done there'll be a 10-level freeway interchange, a 300km long bridge to Iraq, and a Mcdonalds the size of Chadstone shopping centre!

Lmao! Then a 600kph tube subway, a 2 km high dam out of town, tunnel under the persian gulf to iran,1km long limo's and maybe even a kilometre wide building! *faints*

good spoting ncik.
i can see AMP, Grosvenor,Qantas,GPT, Chifley, the whole northern end of sussex st

i think the building looks tall

OMFG How dare those show-off's steal our Aussie Icons :bash:
I think you guys should all know that those towers over on the right do not actually form part of the burj dubai complex and will not get built. Those towers are just put in in order to make the render look better. In that area there will be the DIFC which'll have very different buildings.

Just something I thought you should know before jumping to conclusions.

Here's the DIFC and what will actually be there :

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2154/e0n1o04iy.jpg

If you want details on all the towers in this project (some of which are very nice) go here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=300575&page=1&pp=20)

I think you guys should all know that those towers over on the right do not actually form part of the burj dubai complex and will not get built. Those towers are just put in in order to make the render look better. In that area there will be the DIFC which'll have very different buildings.

Just something I thought you should know before jumping to conclusions.


I think you'll find the people who are anti-Dubai are merely jealous, so they'll look for anything they can use to insult Dubai.

BTW, all those towers to the left of burj dubai will be built. Aswell, that tower near the mall is the lake hotel and will actuallt be exactly 300m. It's just shown way too small in this render

fark!!
does crane driver pay well?
http://i1.tinypic.com/n2g5zs.jpg

Holy fuckooloo! When those cranes are gone it will be a jungle of concrete tallies!

Lmao! Then a 600kph tube subway, a 2 km high dam out of town, tunnel under the persian gulf to iran,1km long limo's and maybe even a kilometre wide building! *faints*
let's not forget the 6 million inch dildo, a mineshaft reaching down to the Earth's core, monorail capable of 300km/h, jet powered taxis, and a 8000km/h MAGLEV to the moon

I bet Dubai will collapse on itself in the next 50 years. I seriously doubt there is that much demand to have all these ridicoulous projects going on. Once the oil is gone, it's it's bye bye Dubai!!!

^^
Because the oil will be gone is alone a very valid reason to profile Dubai in other money generating ways. All these projects indeed, and there is intense interest. Think of it as a kind of Las Vegas, Southern Florida/Disneyworld, Bahamas all thrown into one but at a location within 8 hours flying time of ¾ of the world's population. It could collapse on itsself, but also has enormous potential to become a/the transportation, recreational and business hub.
Exciting to follow so I'll be watching this space.

it will undoubtedly be interesting... i hope they don't hold some kind of silly grudge against the west if the whole thing economically or literally collapses though..... whats the flight time to dubai from say... sydney? (curiousity)

^^
14 hours non-stop DXB-SYD
15 hours non-stop SYD-DXB

Dubai's economy isn't running on oil any more......just 6% of the bnp.

Dubai's economy isn't running on oil any more......just 6% of the bnp.

bnp?

i just don't see all this super development being maintainable.... i just can't wrap my brain around it in any way... i mean the fact that i haven'r read anyone predicting catastrophic economically induced doom makes me think perhaps it's all possible but i'll need it explained to me...

this is the best part of dubai! Does it look like anything you know?
The World, its a whole bunch of man made islands like the two palms dubai has, i dont thinnk its finished in the pic
http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/images/the_world.jpg

^^That pic is a render of the 'World' development, not a photo of the projects progress.

yeh i know, i couldn't find any photos.

i heard a rumour somewhere that dubai are going to create replicas of the tallest buildings in every other continent

^ vegas has already done that. they built half scale models of Eiffel tower,ESB,Chrysler ect. looks terrible.
vegas is so kitche.

^ vegas has already done that. they built half scale models of Eiffel tower,ESB,Chrysler ect. looks terrible.
vegas is so kitche.

Blackpool in England has an exact same scale model of the top section of the Eiffel Tower - the top looks great!

i heard a rumour somewhere that dubai are going to create replicas of the tallest buildings in every other continent
told ya, they want everything and every superlative to be theirs. It's pathetic really.

now, dubai's already extreme, but that would be insane extreme.. !

how bout insanely stupid and the world's biggest breach of copyright laws :lol:

and I bet other cities/countries would be pissed off to see their landmark buildings stolen by this sesspool of over-excessive construction. Just imagine, our Eureka tower stolen by Dubai :bash: It would lose it's status as a unique building thanks to a bunch of stupid copycats who are drowning in their own wealth and as such must stay afloat by now robbing other places of their unique, signiture buildings.

:eek:

Read this:


It was supposed to be bigger and better than anything before. When Dubailand was first unveiled back in October 2003, it made headlines across the world — and for good reason.

With over 200 leisure and entertainment-based projects, spread over six zones, and some 300 million m2 development, this really was a project of unprecedented magnitude.

Little more than two years on, the decision has been taken to rein back on the development and freeze all future Dubailand projects until the ones already signed off are completed.

But while the project freeze may come as a blow to
contractors and consultants keen to get a slice of the action, some experts say that the slowdown in development could be a positive move for Dubai on the whole.

“I don’t see it having a detrimental impact on development in general,” said Ian Albert, director of Colliers UAE.

“On the positive side, it allows for the rest of the projects in Dubailand to get started, and hopefully finished on time. It will also remove some of the internal competition and allow other mega-projects in Dubai to move forward — we need to get on with projects like Business Bay, the Palms, Dubai Waterfront, and, more importantly, the Jebel Ali Airport — this is crucial to the future of Dubai.

“There’s also enough residential supply coming onto the market at the moment for this not to be affected, and there’s enough demand to pace that supply.”

The future success of Dubailand is hinged on the number of people the various attractions will draw in. These attractions range from a giant water park and a London Eye-style big wheel, to a ski dome and Dubai Sports City, which will feature four giant stadiums designed to accommodate international sporting events and academies, and, maybe one day, the Olympics Games.

The overall project, which is located about 20 km from the centre of Dubai, is expected to take 15 years to finish, with the first phase scheduled for completion in 2007.

“Dubailand is being described as the Disneyland of the Middle East, so we need to get construction of the accepted theme parks started as quickly as possible,” added Albert.
“Although only a small number of theme parks, on a global scale, have been successful, they can be very profitable if done well.”

According to Ron Hinchey, a resident partner at Cluttons, the project slowdown will pave the way for the timely construction of each phase in the development.

“If a huge development like Dubailand was to be constructed all at the same time, developers would only end up competing with each other, so it makes a lot of sense to phase it,” he said.

“It’s a prudent move to make. It will also help to sustain other projects and help developers keep the end-use prices up.








and also this:


Dubailand is hit by big freeze on new projects

http://www.itp.net/business/news/details.php?id=19465&category=construction

Projects worth billions of dollars have been shelved on the massive Dubailand development.

Over 200 individual projects were originally planned for
the 300 million m2 development, when it was unveiled in October 2003 — but just 21 have been signed off.

Construction Week has also learned that no more residential-based projects are likely to be given the go-ahead in Dubailand.

It follows an order from the ruler of Dubai, Sheikh
Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.
“We’re not accepting any new projects anymore,” said
Bahaa Abouhaeab, senior business development manager
of Dubailand.

“Sheikh Mohammed has asked for a slow down of projects across Dubai — there is too much going on all at once. So we’ve been instructed to stop offering new projects for the time being and get started on the construction of the projects we have already agreed.”

Located around 20 km from the centre of the city, Dubailand was initially billed as the biggest leisure-based development on the planet.

Original designs included 45 main projects and 200 sub-projects, along with 55 hotels and resorts offering up to 50 000 new rooms.

Among the 21 projects to have been given the go-ahead are the $1.5 billion (AED 5.5 billion) theme park, Legends Dubailand, the $1 billion City of Arabia, including the Restless Planet dinosaur park, and the $540 million Dubai Sports City.

Other projects approved include the $136 million Dubai Sunny Mountain Ski Dome and the $231 million Aqua Dunya.

While the project freeze will come as a blow to contractors and consultants who are hoping to win work on the Dubailand development, it will be welcomed by real estate players fearful of an oversupply of residential and retail space hitting the Dubai market.

An official close to the project said that some of the ventures proposed since the development was announced went ‘off the scale’.

“Many were unfeasible and inpractical — the numbers just didn’t work, and they were simply shrouded by the glitz of the idea.”

Another insider said that any projects awarded will have to stick to the original plan of being entertainment or leisure-based.

“The instruction is for no more residential complexes. Dubailand has been told to get on with the core project, and make sure that what has been agreed so far comes together.”

The move could impact on the financial viability of some projects, which aim to use funds secured from apartment and villa sales to fund associated non-residential construction.

how do they think they can build all of that before theres demand for it exactly ? they are banking on a fuck load, dubai is the worlds biggest bet.....

Well, things seem to be coming back to reality now anyway as shown by reducing dubailand. Palm deira, the waterfront and jebel ali airport will probably be reduced in the future too.

i always considered ITP, the source for the dubailand articles, as a reliable source and it still is, but the author of this text was drunk or something


this project is sooooooo huge, 3 billion sqft to be exact
it is the biggest project in the whole world

loads of projects have been launched already and by now they have started construction

too many people get used to the speed of dubai, that it even has to be faster



as for the "freeze", this is ridiculous, once there is no new project being launched every month people call it a crash, freeze, slowdown, you name name it!

the whole of dubailand will cost much much more than 100 billion dollars

people always complain everything is going too fast and there is too much
now there is nothing new coming up in dubailand for a month, but dozens of billions have been invested elsewhere in the city, then it's called a freeze


it was announced from the very beginning, dubailand will be completed around 2018 or even later


i hope this guy is sober for his next article!

I've heard certain people talking about how dubai "works"...

the government gives away land for free to developers which then have to start construction within 5months and if not the government takes away the land and gives it to another developer..

which maybe the reason that developers are flocking over there because they're avoiding the cost of having to purchase the land.

trust me
there is nothing the government gives away for free

plots have to be purchased, a ministry is coordinating the sales process
however, land prices in dubai are quite cheap, you all know why

Emirates are the new sponsor of arsenal!! Jebus first it's 50 airbus a380's and now they fund a 60,000 capacity stadium! If they go in debt they'll have no where to run! And if they do copy the tallest buildings.... I'LL BE FUCKING FUMING!!!

Dubai copying the world's tallest buildings is proof that they want everything to them fucken selves :bash: :down:

Dubai will never be a New York or Las Vegas so they may aswell get over it.

I was thinking of going to the uae for a holiday one day but now i'll just go to melbourne or london or somewhere exotic... :P

^^ GO TO VEGAS

Well vegas sounds like a tacky poserland.

Its not posing, The casinos a themed to make the expirience more enjoyable, it is wonderful and luxurious.

Dubai shoreline in 2012

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9387/masterplan5pz.jpg

this city is the craziest always amze me :D :bow:

fark me!^^

rrrrriiiiiiiggggghhhhhhttt........

FYI the world is almost complete, first show home was completed mid 2005 (been out on a development tour) and its amazing looking back at the city. Flew over last week en route to Paris and the world looked stunning with azure blue waters in the "canals" between the islands and no more dredging so the marine life is comming back.
First major development is about to start construction and its Austrilasis islands with 1500 appartments , massive marina and 2 hotels all interlinked bith boardwalks and water taxis.
It has it problems though, no power or reticulation for services so that means that every island or cluster of islands have generators and all sewer is treated on the island in small STP's. Also water is pumped from a barge into massive tansks in the inslands

I'm surprised they didn't lay pipes to the mainland. But thats sounds good, i'd love a private island like that :p

^^^yeah, building all this impressive hoo-haa and they can't even build a pipeline to the mainland. you sum that up.

^^ Maybe they didn't because it's more efficient this way

Nah Malec it sounds like nakeel to me.

moo moo cow oblong

Well dubai can get all the osama's playing lets all fall down on them.

what are u on about.

yeah i couldn't make sense of it either (drunk?)

The Bin Laden contsruction group has been involved with quite a bit of building in Dubai.

but...
The Bin Laden company has always tried to keep its distance from Osama, the Bin Laden of destruction. The company was founded by Mohammad bin Laden in the Saudi city of Jeddah in the 1950s. Thirteen of Mohammad bin Laden's sons sit on the firm's board. The family disowned Osama after he lost his Saudi citizenship in 1994 for suspected terrorist activities.

yeah i couldn't make sense of it either (drunk?)

What can't you make out ... my random statement or was it something more sinister? Yes, BTW i rarely drink. Moo moo donkey schlong would have been better but i held back. I guess I was bored with the direction of the thread.

As much as I like extreme development - those aerials of the coast are foul. Those manmade palms and globe are an abomination. Canals can be done well - what they have done amounts to global desecration - so vile and ugly. the last laugh is on the residents - no piping ... welcome to the dark ages. I hope their poo removal ship breaks down, maybe then those islands will be shown for the shit they are.

If I had a starship i'd not be orbiting it over dubai.

As much as I like extreme development - those aerials of the coast are foul. Those manmade palms and globe are an abomination. Canals can be done well - what they have done amounts to global desecration - so vile and ugly. the last laugh is on the residents - no piping ... welcome to the dark ages. I hope their poo removal ship breaks down, maybe then those islands will be shown for the shit they are.
Exactly, how will the shit be removed? no piping, how ridiculous!

The world not the palms.

What can't you make out ...


it was more your comment + centerpoints... :)

Maybe they didn;t make some mega pipes out to the world because you cannot see them :p They only build stuff you can see, maybe thats why theres no subways either.

They didn't imagin getting all the islands connected nakeel are to cheap to do that. As for the costs over time it would have been cheaper. Mabey in a few years it will happen.

^^^in the mean time let's have all the residents drown in their own shit and piss. :bash:

Yeah who cares about those copyright vioalating pipe haters!

^^^in the mean time let's have all the residents drown in their own shit and piss. :bash:

Did you buy one?

If not you should not care.

^^^no I did not buy one. But where is all the poo and wee gonna go?

just stroll down to the shore and take a dump into the ocean?

Mabey. They will do somthing. Septic tanks?

If they don't make a hole somewhere dubai's going to smell like lakemba or calcutta. Serves them right for stealing buildings i guess.

tourists going to see the "anything and everything" of the world, but one could hear them scream as they step out of Jebel Ali Airport "shhiiiiitttt" (another showoff thing - honestly is there a market for 120 million pax per year capacity plus the already existing airport?)

Maybe another project could be the big shit and every night they pour molten piss onto it. Gotta wonder...

well, they just MUST HAVE EVERYTHING possible, so It could happen......

I wonder if they copy eureka they could be sued for copyright breaching!

What buildings have they ripped off? Other than effiel tower, Big ben and leaning tower?

taj mahal (falcon city of wonders), turning torso (infinity tower), pyramid at Giza (falcon city of wonder)

They whacked off half of sydneys skyline! Didn't you see that burj dubai render?

wont dubai have to quadruple it's population to fill all these skyscrapers? where have they all been living until now?

also, the Jebel Ali Airport is another part of Dubai's showoff campaign. It is supposed to handle 120 million pasengers annually in addition to the existing Dubai Airport. Now honestly, is there that much demand? I don't think so.

Geez some of you people are ignorant shitheads.

^^

we're not allowed to speculate on how dubai can do what it's doing in an economic sense? i think your the ignorant shithead for trying to extinguish discussion on the subject... it's interesting no matter what you think.

^I wasn't referring to you, rather the two who seem to be making all the idiotic comments (Mr Centrepoint and thunder head). Some constructive and intelligent debate would be fine, but there are idiots just abusing Dubai and making ignorant comments that seem to be based on their own insecurities.

"If they don't make a hole somewhere dubai's going to smell like lakemba or calcutta. Serves them right for stealing buildings i guess."
"tourists going to see the "anything and everything" of the world, but one could hear them scream as they step out of Jebel Ali Airport "shhiiiiitttt" (another showoff thing - honestly is there a market for 120 million pax per year capacity plus the already existing airport?)"
"Maybe another project could be the big shit and every night they pour molten piss onto it. Gotta wonder..."
"well, they just MUST HAVE EVERYTHING possible, so It could happen......"
"Well dubai can get all the osama's playing lets all fall down on them."
"^in the mean time let's have all the residents drown in their own shit and piss."
"Yeah who cares about those copyright vioalating pipe haters!"

^^ Are comments like these speculating on what Dubai is doing in an economic sense or are they just the rants of people who are only in this thread to abuse, rather than constructively discuss?

apologies, i just assumed you were talking to me/us :)

Dubai doesn't give a shit about econonmy- just to Have everything, even going as far as stealing other country's buildings!!! If Dubai had economy on their minds, they would build according to demand, not whack up all this crap in the matter of weeks regardless of demand or not. The Jebel Ali airport is a classic example. 120 million pax + 50 or 60 million from the existing airport anuualy - there is no where near that much demand.

Geez some of you people are ignorant shitheads.

Actually i think they hit a raw nerve with you. People are entitled to their opinions - if they think Dubai sux that's their right. I tend to agree with them. Dubai is a living joke. Those fuelling Dubai's growth are arrogant, showy and if an Australian city was encountering the same frenzy of crazed building and construction many would think those behind it need a presecription of lithium.

Actually i think they hit a raw nerve with you. People are entitled to their opinions - if they think Dubai sux that's their right. I tend to agree with them. Dubai is a living joke. Those fuelling Dubai's growth are arrogant, showy and if an Australian city was encountering the same frenzy of crazed building and construction many would think those behind it need a presecription of lithium.
You're right, it did hit a raw nerve... I can't understand how people can have such a hatred for a city that has nothing to do with them, and has done nothing to them. It's as if people feel they have to put down Dubai in order to make their own cities look better...which is ridiculous. You may think that Dubai is a living joke, however they obviously have the money to do what they are doing NOW because they're preparing for a time when oil won't be around - diversifying now when they can rather than wait for their world to fall down....yes a lot of their projects are showy and downright ridiculous, but does that warrant idiotic comments - particularly when most of the people doing the unwarranted criticising are people who have never even been to there?

People are also jealous. :P

fark!!
does crane driver pay well?
http://i1.tinypic.com/n2g5zs.jpg
I read somewhere it is estimated that 20% of all the worlds tower cranes are currently in Dubai!!!

Let the cock suckers suck cock.

There ranting and raving is based on shite. Did it occur to them that there is somthing called a septic tank exists and that a house with 7 people will fill one in 10 years!

Apply a brain and get back to me. Dick heads.

They whacked off half of sydneys skyline! Didn't you see that burj dubai render?
Read my post somewhere in this thread. The place where those sydney towers are will remain sandland. Nothing out of Sydney's skyline will be built next to burj dubai

Let me say something:


I was in Dubai as a tourist.

Dubai is a real city and a really great one.

Dubai is writing history right know.

The cheapest way to fly from Europe to Asia is over Dubai.

Dubai depends not on oil.

You should all visit Dubai, all Dubai bashers would be shocked about how wrong they are.

The Jebel Ali airport is a classic example. 120 million pax + 50 or 60 million from the existing airport anuualy - there is no where near that much demand.

actually the airport will be able to handle 4 billion passengers a year. and there will be 58 runways.

we dont really need em but we need places to race our ferraris.

aslo, did you hear about the Dubai Volcano City project? yes we are building a MASSIVE volcano 4x the size of Mount Fuji. there is no real need or use for this Volcano. but after it is built, there will be cable cars to the crater. and there we can throw our money into the burning hot liquid "magma" (hope you get the lil joke there - Dr. Evil fyi) since everything we build is just for fun and for us to waste our money.

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO FOR BEING RICH AND WASTEFUL!

did you in Dubai, we use lambourghinis for crash test dummy testing?

Dubai 1950
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1508/dubai19500bq.png (http://imageshack.us)


Dubai 2005
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3605/dubai20051ro.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7932/dubai200522zt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4294/dubai200534wi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



who would have thought there was any demand for growth back in 1950?

lol bitches!

This thread reminds me of City vs City

I really miss it :(

much better than all the religious arguments shit we've been having lately.

OMFG look how jammed together those ugly suburban boxes are. God i dunno how people can live like that. In a dusty 4 story block of flats jammed together without a garden or anything.

OMFG look how jammed together those ugly suburban boxes are. God i dunno how people can live like that. In a dusty 4 story block of flats jammed together without a garden or anything.

as opposed to the architectural masterpieces tastefully spread out within a lush tropical paradise (aka cold depressing generic block boxes within in a post-apocolyptic gloomy dull concrete setting that forms the HEART of the city)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


by the way, that isnt even the suburbs of dubai

welcome to the suburbs of dubai:
http://www.emaar.ae/Developments/EmiratesHills/Index.asp

LOL bitches!

Dunderhead, shut up, you are an embarassement with your stupid rantings.

The vision being exhibited by Dubai at the moment, and the scope, grandeur and imagination of the projects being undertaken is unprecedented in recent history. I say that having been there.

From the success of airlines such as Emirates to the Burj Dubai, the Palms and the world, Dubai is benefitting from some truly inspired leadership and vision. No place on Earth at the moment is doing what Dubai is doing and with the flair it exhibits.

So keep it up Dubai, you are working wonders, and ignore a few jealous fools.

Dubai 2005
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3605/dubai20051ro.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4294/dubai200534wi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Luv2bebrown: if these are not the suburbs of Dubai, then what the fuck are they? Obviously, this area is quite a distance from the city centre and people do inhabit these buildings, mashed together like sardines in the disgusting, germ spreading 40ºC and 80% humidity. They are flats for the middle and lower class workers and appear to make up a large area of the city, who cannot afford the glitz and must live in these dirty, sandy areas. Just look at the picture, these blocks cover the whole scene and are often not noticed becasue 100% of the emphasis is on the new stuff, not on the real dubai.

And you are really naive trying pass that mansion with the tropical garden and pool as 'typical' of Dubai's suburbs. It is distinctly a new building in a new housing development somewhere along the coast or on the palm. Only 1st class citizens are able to afford such accomodation. Your own photos tell the story, right in front of your eyes but you are just blind and in denial. Open your eyes you little git.

oh and my city was voted most livable in the world several times, has beautiful leafy suburbs which are clean and tidy, unlike that hot concrete jungle.

@Locke....stuff you buddy

^ this area is the city center

Arunava you asscandle they don't care about economy they want to show off and get all the chicks!

Arunava you asscandle
"asscandle" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
funny coz it's true

hey check it out, I found a picture of both Arunava and luv2bebrown!

:llama:

OMFG look how jammed together those ugly suburban boxes are. God i dunno how people can live like that. In a dusty 4 story block of flats jammed together without a garden or anything.

:bash: As compared to the little boxes with tiny usless gardens that we have in australia were it gets hotter than in dubai.

Luv2bebrown: if these are not the suburbs of Dubai, then what the fuck are they? Obviously, this area is quite a distance from the city centre and people do inhabit these buildings, mashed together like sardines in the disgusting, germ spreading 40ºC and 80% humidity. They are flats for the middle and lower class workers and appear to make up a large area of the city, who cannot afford the glitz and must live in these dirty, sandy areas. Just look at the picture, these blocks cover the whole scene and are often not noticed becasue 100% of the emphasis is on the new stuff, not on the real dubai.

And you are really naive trying pass that mansion with the tropical garden and pool as 'typical' of Dubai's suburbs. It is distinctly a new building in a new housing development somewhere along the coast or on the palm. Only 1st class citizens are able to afford such accomodation. Your own photos tell the story, right in front of your eyes but you are just blind and in denial. Open your eyes you little git.

oh and my city was voted most livable in the world several times, has beautiful leafy suburbs which are clean and tidy, unlike that hot concrete jungle.

@Locke....stuff you buddy


Stop telling people how stupid and ignorant you are. Your embarrasing Australia. You seem to have little if no idea how people in Dubai live, what the weather is like or the conditions there. You have no idea at all.

I hate you thunder head.

Yeah who cares about those copyright vioalating pipe haters!You can't copyright a building.

Stop telling people how stupid and ignorant you are. Your embarrasing Australia. You seem to have little if no idea how people in Dubai live, what the weather is like or the conditions there. You have no idea at all.
For once, I'm with JayT. You two are an embarrassment to all of us, and I can only hope that most international forummers can look past your crap to see that we're not all idiots.

I hate you thunder head.

You can't copyright a building.

Actually you can...

If the design for a building was registered as a complex trademark, or even patented worldwide you might have some grounds for a legal challenge, the building would have to be of substantial simularity. I don't know if the designs would be easilly granted recognition and even then it might be even harder to gain worldwide recognition.

BTW, you can copyright a building, it is an artform and as such some are eligble for protection under national law - where recognised.

ie.. SCOPE OF PROTECTION
An original design of a building embodied in any tangible medium of expression, including a building, architectural plans, or drawings, is subject to copyright protection as an “architectural work” under Section 102 of the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C., as amended on December 1, 1990. The work includes the overall form as well as the arrangement and composition of spaces and elements in the design but does not include individual standard features or design elements that are functionally required.

The term building means structures that are habitable by humans and intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions.

Ahh right, you're allowed to make models/take photos but not allowed to completely build another version of the building in full size. hrm

The original buildings will no longer be unique and special if copied. Did you think of that Uewepeap, or is your head still in that cow's arse?

Uewpeuap I hate you so much
JayT i also hate you
and Arunava you suck aswell

Mr Centrepoint, Avatar, you are absolute champions!

:bash: As compared to the little boxes with tiny usless gardens that we have in australia were it gets hotter than in dubai.
well atleast we have gardens.

The original buildings will no longer be unique and special if copied. Did you think of that Uewepeap, or is your head still in that cow's arse?
Did I think that if someone copied something then the original would not be the only one? Yes. I did.

LOL you make me laugh, I love hardcore people that don't give a shit for being PC.

Just like that MP speaking her mind, I'd vote for her, I am sick of people sitting on their PC opinions.

Uewuepeup: instead barbequeing shit for lunch, stop and think. If Dubai copies the Eureka tower for example, in full size (as they are planning to do with the tallest building on every continent) then it will lose its status as a unique to Australia, a one and only building. The same is true for every other building that Dubai has witihn it's gunsight. Do you not think it would be morally wrong to see a full size Eureka, Empire state Building etc all ploncked into the desert copied by a place which has run out of ideas and is desperate?

Uewuepueueueeeoeeuueepoep I hate you

I don't think dubai will get away with building them full height. I think some countries and cities might have words to say, I'd relax, it wont happen ... never at full scale. It will be more like an oversized version of the themepark in shenzhen.

I agree with you, Dubai has no mandate and no right to do it, it's morally wrong and it would only foster hatred and contempt for their country in many peoples' minds. I don't think it would be the best way to win friends at all. Some could say the same about vegas but Vegas is tongue-in-cheek, unfortunately this is a totally different set of circumstances.

For once, I'm with JayT. You two are an embarrassment to all of us, and I can only hope that most international forummers can look past your crap to see that we're not all idiots.
Well I succeded in Embarasing you, Uewepuep and JayT, so I'm happy and looks like you are not :D

Uewuepeup: instead barbequeing shit for lunch, stop and think. If Dubai copies the Eureka tower for example, in full size (as they are planning to do with the tallest building on every continent) then it will lose its status as a unique to Australia, a one and only building. The same is true for every other building that Dubai has witihn it's gunsight. Do you not think it would be morally wrong to see a full size Eureka, Empire state Building etc all ploncked into the desert copied by a place which has run out of ideas and is desperate?

Uewuepueueueeeoeeuueepoep I hate you
lol, what does your little rant have to do with whether its copyright infringement or not? If its not, get over it, there is nothing you can do. Especially since you don't own the rights to Eureka and they haven't actually copied it yet.

And I'm not embarassed, I just hate you.

Uewuepeup: instead barbequeing shit for lunch, stop and think. If Dubai copies the Eureka tower for example, in full size (as they are planning to do with the tallest building on every continent) then it will lose its status as a unique to Australia, a one and only building. The same is true for every other building that Dubai has witihn it's gunsight. Do you not think it would be morally wrong to see a full size Eureka, Empire state Building etc all ploncked into the desert copied by a place which has run out of ideas and is desperate?

Uewuepueueueeeoeeuueepoep I hate you


what on earth are you referring to?

omg i hope you're not refering to the falcon city of wonders are you? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA dude calm down. thats just a theme park attraction in Dubailand. did you throw a hissyfit when Disneyland paris copied the fairytale castle from Disneywordl, Orlando FL? LOL

i think you should give your city/country more credit. if making a theme park imitation of your tallest building will "ROB AUSTRALIA OF ITS SOUL AND CHARACTER ALAS AUSTRALIA IS NO LONGER UNIQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!," then I think its you who needs to barbeque shit for lunch and think about what exactly makes your country special.

actually dont bother BBQin, come to dubai and eat Tazej Fakiyeh chicken - apparently thats some real good bbq/smoked shit

well atleast we have gardens.

well atleast we don't have a clue either

what on earth are you referring to?

omg i hope you're not refering to the falcon city of wonders are you? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA dude calm down. thats just a theme park attraction in Dubailand. did you throw a hissyfit when Disneyland paris copied the fairytale castle from Disneywordl, Orlando FL? LOL

i think you should give your city/country more credit. if making a theme park imitation of your tallest building will "ROB AUSTRALIA OF ITS SOUL AND CHARACTER ALAS AUSTRALIA IS NO LONGER UNIQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!," then I think its you who needs to barbeque shit for lunch and think about what exactly makes your country special.

actually dont bother BBQin, come to dubai and eat Tazej Fakiyeh chicken - apparently thats some real good bbq/smoked shit
We are not talking about Theme parks here sir. We are talking about an actual plan to make FULL SIZE replica's in dubai of the tallest building on every continent. You are very silly to compare this to Disneyland Paris copying a fairytale castle which is a disneyland trademark and the heart of disneyland and thus should be in every disney land. Disneyland is a CHAIN of themeparks and the furthermore the fairytale castle is NOT a signiture skyscraper of a continent. It is a bloody funpark for fuck's sake. Looks like you are desperate for arguments to mention something as silly as this.

"ROB AUSTRALIA OF ITS SOUL AND CHARATER ALAS AUSTRALIA IS NO LONGER UNIQUE". What are you talking about? What I am saying is that THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING COPIED will no longer be an individual, unique structure, I never said that Australia will lose it's soul and character. Can you understand english?

We are not talking about Theme parks here sir. We are talking about an actual plan to make FULL SIZE replica's in dubai of the tallest building on every continent. You are very silly to compare this to Disneyland Paris copying a fairytale castle which is a disneyland trademark and the heart of disneyland and thus should be in every disney land. Disneyland is a CHAIN of themeparks and the furthermore the fairytale castle is NOT a signiture skyscraper of a continent. It is a bloody funpark for fuck's sake. Looks like you are desperate for arguments to mention something as silly as this.

"ROB AUSTRALIA OF ITS SOUL AND CHARATER ALAS AUSTRALIA IS NO LONGER UNIQUE". What are you talking about? What I am saying is that THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING COPIED will no longer be an individual, unique structure, I never said that Australia will lose it's soul and character. Can you understand english?
Where do you have the info that Dubai wants to build the tallest building from every continent?

Where do you have the info that Dubai wants to build the tallest building from every continent?

hahaha this guy seems to know more about Dubai than we do. none of the UAE forumers have heard of this project!

next thing we know, you'll be throwing a hissyfit about how Dubai is creating a life-size replica of the Burj Dubai right next to the DUBAI VOLCANO CITY.

u need to relax man. is dubai's growth really makin u that nervous?

well atleast we have gardens.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


haha yes i can see the lush greenery and well-manicured gardens that pervades the city

u need to relax man. is dubai's growth really makin u that nervous?

This is the thing i don`t really undertsand. I tought we are all skyscraper fans.
If Kuwait City builds the 1100m tower i would be really happy. I can`t wait for the completition of the SWFC and the US7. I want to see the Eureka Tower someday in real. I am confused about the Freedom Tower because i want to see the start of the construction. Chicago gets a second tallest tower, GREAT. Q1---> Beautiful tower.

I live near Frankfurt. We had the tallest and the second tallest tower in Europe, but now Moscow has serveral towers that are higher under construction. Great. I watch every thread about them. London wants to build a 300m tall skyscraper. Build it now.

Sir Norman Foster build a skyscraper in Tokyo that looks very similar to the Commerzbank in Frankfurt. I visited the tower it`s a really great building. No complaints.

I don`t really have problems with the success of other cities. Frankfurt has only 10 skyscrapers under construction, this sucks but it`s not Dubais fault.

haha yeah i agree with you tom green.
10 years ago, i used to look out my window from the 15th floor of the Sheikh Zayed Road and imagine how MASSIVE teh sears tower was. 10 years later i still cant believe Dubai is building the tallest building. i still think of dubai as the jamaican bobsled team.

anyway i can understand thunderheads concerns... but really haha i have never even heard of any plans to build replicas of the tallest buildings from each continent so i dont konw what hes on about.

We are not talking about Theme parks here sir. We are talking about an actual plan to make FULL SIZE replica's in dubai of the tallest building on every continent. You are very silly to compare this to Disneyland Paris copying a fairytale castle which is a disneyland trademark and the heart of disneyland and thus should be in every disney land. Disneyland is a CHAIN of themeparks and the furthermore the fairytale castle is NOT a signiture skyscraper of a continent. It is a bloody funpark for fuck's sake. Looks like you are desperate for arguments to mention something as silly as this.

"ROB AUSTRALIA OF ITS SOUL AND CHARATER ALAS AUSTRALIA IS NO LONGER UNIQUE". What are you talking about? What I am saying is that THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING COPIED will no longer be an individual, unique structure, I never said that Australia will lose it's soul and character. Can you understand english?
This is in fact all bullshit!! Those replicas are in a project called falcon city which is part of dubailand, a THEMEPARK, and no it doesn't feature the tallest building in every continent. It doesn't have a sears tower, or a taipei 101. It's based around a theme of the wonders of the world so it'll have a pyramid, etc. Actually, the fairytale castle is taken from some place in Germany.

haha yes i can see the lush greenery and well-manicured gardens that pervades the cityAlthough I do approve you pissing thunder head off, check out the full picture on a sunny day (http://www.melbournephotos.net/images/2005-04-15%20Melbourne%20-%202%20Giant%20Panoramas%20from%20Rialto%20Obs%20deck%20and%20Construction%20updates/east.jpg.html).

Although I do approve you pissing thunder head off, check out the full picture on a sunny day (http://www.melbournephotos.net/images/2005-04-15%20Melbourne%20-%202%20Giant%20Panoramas%20from%20Rialto%20Obs%20deck%20and%20Construction%20updates/east.jpg.html).

lol. yeah i know melbourne is gorgeous not "post-apocolyptic."
this is a better pic i think
http://members.optusnet.com.au/metacortex/TMA-1/KB/images/Melbourne.jpg

and check this pic of dubai
http://www.am.joneslanglasalle.com/NEWS/2002/11nov/Dubai.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


haha yes i can see the lush greenery and well-manicured gardens that pervades the city
you stupid idiot that is the city centre, not a typical Melbourne suburb. If you look past the skyscrapers there is the suburbs, with a house on a block of land and as a matter of fact the streets are lined with trees and feature numerous parks.

And Ueweppwpe well what ever the fuck your name is, I so hate you.

BTW there is also some grass and trees further out, rather SiO2.

you stupid idiot that is the city centre, not a typical Melbourne suburb. If you look past the skyscrapers there is the suburbs, with a house on a block of land and as a matter of fact the streets are lined with trees and feature numerous parks.

And Ueweppwpe well what ever the fuck your name is, I so hate you.
you stupid idiot the Dubai picture luv2bebrown posted before is also the city center, not a typical Dubai suburb.

that is why he was comparing !!!

I hate you thunder head.

You can't copyright a building.

This is disturbing... And back in primary school arunuva and jayt would be the little kids dobbing on everyone and getting beaten up. You guys act like you live in dubai :bash: And what ever happened to free speech?!

Lets not crack down uae and aussie relations. Face it you guys want to copy everything like the bum i sat next to in high school. THINK OF YOUR OWN THINGS!

This is disturbing... And back in primary school arunuva and jayt would be the little kids dobbing on everyone and getting beaten up. You guys act like you live in dubai :bash: And what ever happened to free speech?!
I know for sure I would've kicked the shit out of them.

I would've helped.

And what ever happened to free speech?!
The Australian Constitution does not have any express provision relating to freedom of speech.
But really think for a second, I know its hard, but if you have the right to express your stupidity, then we have the right to call you stupid. Get it? It works both ways.

you stupid idiot that is the city centre, not a typical Melbourne suburb. If you look past the skyscrapers there is the suburbs, with a house on a block of land and as a matter of fact the streets are lined with trees and feature numerous parks.

And Ueweppwpe well what ever the fuck your name is, I so hate you.


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAHAAH
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BITCH

hahahaha
the pic of dubai you were criticizing IS THE CITY CENTRE OF DUBAI

the city centre of dubai is just as bare and ungreen as the Melbourne city centre! AHAHAHAHAH

KONICHIWA BITCH

Melbourne City Centre
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dubai City Centre (in spite of it being the middle of the damn desert - 120-130 degrees+ in the shade during the summer/ maybe 3 days of rainfall a year)
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/149/dubaigreen9rx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


awwww. thunderhead, its ok... please stop crying now.
you're as pathetic as the loser who couldnt get the girl and who starts bitching about the guy who did get the girl.

http://tinypic.com/jjqskj.jpg

christ, you don't need to post like 50 pics of the same park, you dickhead.

christ, you don't need to post like 50 pics of the same park, you dickhead.

i had to hammer in your stupidity 50 times.
and if it pissed you off/slowed down your pc
then it indeed brings tears of joy to my eyes

I'm sorry cocksucker, but my PC didn't slow down and your spamming of this thread didn't inconvenience me at all, so too bad. You can wipe those tears of joy from your eyes aswell you little pansy. Loading all those pictures just to teach me a lesson was a waste of your time and internet money so TS for you.

I'm sorry cocksucker, but my PC didn't slow down and your spamming of this thread didn't inconvenience me at all, so too bad. You can wipe those tears of joy from your eyes aswell you little pansy. Loading all those pictures just to teach me a lesson was a waste of your time and internet money so TS for you. A waste of his time and internet money? Internet time IS internet money (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Internet_money)!!!!11111!!

3 rofflecopters!!!
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Oh I'm so poor in the internet monies! Now that i spents it all on pictures of dubai and roflcopters.

you know, how it counts as a local call when he dials up, or if he has broadband, well he still wasted his own time trying to inconvenience me but conversly inconvenienced himself

you know, how it counts as a local call when he dials up, or if he has broadband, well he still wasted his own time trying to inconvenience me but conversly inconvenienced himself

dude... you need to find a girlfriend

Well uewepuep i can call you knoble gobble if you can call me stupid.

and I can just start punch ons with him for no reason :)

Yeah anything can happen! Except sydney getting a building over 310 metres. :(

And behind the parks and tall buildings on the top picture it's a fucking concrete jungle down there!

:D

And behind the parks and tall buildings on the top picture it's a fucking concrete jungle down there!
:clap: wow finally someone here sees the REAL dubai - ugly, dusty concrete boxes packed together like tinned sardines, leaving residents without even a garden and streets with only minimal vegetation.

First they copy the name vision now they steal sydneys skyline!! This is disturbing.
And they wanna build d1

Jesuli'z they must be a little stupid if they can't think about they're own buildings.

hey centerpoint are you 12 y o?
no offense but you sound too naive and ignorant .

'Vision' is an extremely common word, you can't expect no other city in the world to use it.

As to D1, it's being built and proposed by Sunland, so it's our idea.

So c'mon guys.

:clap: wow finally someone here sees the REAL dubai - ugly, dusty concrete boxes packed together like tinned sardines, leaving residents without even a garden and streets with only minimal vegetation.

kinda like this?
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Say what you will about thunderhead but leave Melbourne out of this.

Um no, Mr Luv2beafag. You see, that's Melbourne's business centre and it is a colourful and lively place, and frankly it is a part of almost every city in the world, so may as well say 'like this' to New York, Chicago, LA etc. People don't actually live in that area as it's a business, shopping and company headquarters. Melbourne's wide streets are lined by trees and Melbourne boasts top class parks and botanical gardens in and around it's CBD. That picture you chose makes Melbourne look dull because it is taken on a dull day. Any city will look dull and a dull day so your point has no merit to it.

But Mr Luv2beafag, we are taking about the RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS, not the CBD. The people in Melbourne live in houses in shady, leafy avenues and have their own block of land. In Dubai, there seems to a huge amount of ugly concrete boxes jammed in together, which are clearly housing, which don't even have gardens and look quite unattractive, dusty and unpleasant to live in.

Um no, Mr Luv2beafag. You see, that's Melbourne's business centre and it is a colourful and lively place, and frankly it is a part of almost every city in the world, so may as well say 'like this' to New York, Chicago, LA etc. People don't actually live in that area as it's a business, shopping and company headquarters. Melbourne's wide streets are lined by trees and Melbourne boasts top class parks and botanical gardens in and around it's CBD. That picture you chose makes Melbourne look dull because it is taken on a dull day. Any city will look dull and a dull day so your point has no merit to it.

But Mr Luv2beafag, we are taking about the RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS, not the CBD. The people in Melbourne live in houses in shady, leafy avenues and have their own block of land. In Dubai, there seems to a huge amount of ugly concrete boxes jammed in together, which are clearly housing, which don't even have gardens and look quite unattractive, dusty and unpleasant to live in.
Yeah, because you've obviously been there and know exactly how they live. :bash:

Dubai 2005
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3605/dubai20051ro.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



well Arunava, open your little eyes!

^^ This is no suburb. It's the city centre or at least very near it

3 rofflecopters!!!
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where have the lollerskates gone? :(

Um no, Mr Luv2beafag. You see, that's Melbourne's business centre and it is a colourful and lively place, and frankly it is a part of almost every city in the world, so may as well say 'like this' to New York, Chicago, LA etc. People don't actually live in that area as it's a business, shopping and company headquarters. Melbourne's wide streets are lined by trees and Melbourne boasts top class parks and botanical gardens in and around it's CBD. That picture you chose makes Melbourne look dull because it is taken on a dull day. Any city will look dull and a dull day so your point has no merit to it.

But Mr Luv2beafag, we are taking about the RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS, not the CBD. The people in Melbourne live in houses in shady, leafy avenues and have their own block of land. In Dubai, there seems to a huge amount of ugly concrete boxes jammed in together, which are clearly housing, which don't even have gardens and look quite unattractive, dusty and unpleasant to live in.


There may be a reason why Dubai doesn't have leafy open suburbs like Melbourne. You see Dubai is in the desert - and that means its dry. Large tracts of leafy suburbs would be nearly impossible. Also it seems that Dubai's built landscape which comprises of residenses packed together would make more sense and be easier and cheeper to service with public transport and utilities than a city like Melbourne which is spread out and thinly populated.

Given that Dubai is located in one of the hottest and most extreem climates on earth it would be simple logic to not encourage leafy avenues and shady trees as the maintenance would be just too expensive. Also the kind of leafy European trees you'd find in Melbourne don't grow very well in Dubai's climate - palms are a better idea and from the picture it seems that is the way they have gone.

Another thing is home ownership laws are probably very different in Dubai. There are not many countries in the world like Australia where you can actually buy land freehold and build your own home on it - what we have is very rare.

And Thunder Head I am being condescending towards you – if you want to know what that big word means just look it up.

if normal trees get burnt to the ground, then why don't they put more palms in among that concrete treachery to actually give it a sense of greenery and provide shade (salvation) for it's inhabitants?

It looks very nice and urbane, definitely nicer than the sublurbia of which thunder head is an obvious product.

It looks very nice and urbane, definitely nicer than the sublurbia of which thunder head is an obvious product.
What, those ugly hot concrete blocks nicer than the leafy streets of Melbourne? You dickhead.

if normal trees get burnt to the ground, then why don't they put more palms in among that concrete treachery to actually give it a sense of greenery and provide shade (salvation) for it's inhabitants?
mate, you need to open your eyes, visit the dubai thread and see the greening happening here. By 2010 Dubai will have one of if not the highest green spaces ratios in the world due to the massive parks and reserves u/c.
not only that all our TSE is pumed back to irrigrate the millions of palms now around our city, beats the hell out of pumping our shit into the ocean like back in oz!

Given that Dubai is located in one of the hottest and most extreem climates on earth it would be simple logic to not encourage leafy avenues and shady trees as the maintenance would be just too expensive.
They seem to be able to afford 800m tall skyscrapers, airports with 120 mil pax capacity, vast artificial islands, indoor ski centres, outlandish 'cities within cities'....so why not maintenece for trees?

Also the kind of leafy European trees you'd find in Melbourne don't grow very well in Dubai's climate - palms are a better idea and from the picture it seems that is the way they have gone.
There are many shady non-palm species growing well in Dubai. Just look at pics in the Dubai forums.

Melbourne's city centre
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6299/mela9me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dubai's city centre
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/149/dubaigreen9rx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3605/dubai20051ro.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Yup, Melbourne's city centre looks a WHOLE lot greener than Dubai's CBD

Um no, Mr Luv2beafag. You see, that's Melbourne's business centre and it is a colourful and lively place, and frankly it is a part of almost every city in the world, so may as well say 'like this' to New York, Chicago, LA etc. People don't actually live in that area as it's a business, shopping and company headquarters. Melbourne's wide streets are lined by trees and Melbourne boasts top class parks and botanical gardens in and around it's CBD. That picture you chose makes Melbourne look dull because it is taken on a dull day. Any city will look dull and a dull day so your point has no merit to it.

But Mr Luv2beafag, we are taking about the RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS, not the CBD. The people in Melbourne live in houses in shady, leafy avenues and have their own block of land. In Dubai, there seems to a huge amount of ugly concrete boxes jammed in together, which are clearly housing, which don't even have gardens and look quite unattractive, dusty and unpleasant to live in.

what you fail to realize mr Thunderhead, is that you INSTANTLY discredit yourself by posting your thoughts on this forum. Unfortunately for you, what you fail to understand that the part of Dubai which you DESPERATELY WISH were the suburbs, is in fact the historical CBD of Dubai.

:baeh3:

:clap: wow finally someone here sees the REAL dubai - ugly, dusty concrete boxes packed together like tinned sardines, leaving residents without even a garden and streets with only minimal vegetation.

http://tinypic.com/jjqskj.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7932/dubai200522zt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

yeah and that 'old cbd' is one massive shithole

What do you expect though, gated communities in the centre of the city?

yeah and that 'old cbd' is one massive shithole
You'd probably call inner-city Paris or London a shithole too.

yeah and that 'old cbd' is one massive shithole
what ever trevor. You know everthing
My home is australia and I work in Dubai so I can compare the two. bet you hvent even left school so hopw can you have a valid opinion?

What do you expect though, gated communities in the centre of the city?

You should hear his post's to do with, public transport. He's a huge sub- urban fan.

I liked thunder head's rant about Melbourne on a dull day. He could have just said that leaves fall off trees in autumn.

Um no, Mr Luv2beafag. You see, that's Melbourne's business centre and it is a colourful and lively place, and frankly it is a part of almost every city in the world, so may as well say 'like this' to New York, Chicago, LA etc. People don't actually live in that area as it's a business, shopping and company headquarters. Melbourne's wide streets are lined by trees and Melbourne boasts top class parks and botanical gardens in and around it's CBD. That picture you chose makes Melbourne look dull because it is taken on a dull day. Any city will look dull and a dull day so your point has no merit to it.

But Mr Luv2beafag, we are taking about the RESIDENTIAL SUBURBS, not the CBD. The people in Melbourne live in houses in shady, leafy avenues and have their own block of land. In Dubai, there seems to a huge amount of ugly concrete boxes jammed in together, which are clearly housing, which don't even have gardens and look quite unattractive, dusty and unpleasant to live in.

I thought you hated Greenie things, and your annoyance that a LA style freeway grid wasn't built in Melbourne in the 60's (as mentioned in the what transport infrastructure do we need in Australia thread) is going against pretty much everything you've said here.

I think in Dubai it would be so much more comfortable to live in a highrise, hence the reason they are building so many. Because they are in the middle of the desert, it decreases the need to desalinate as much water as if they were spread out as much as Melbourne is.

I thought Melbourne had lots of dull days and hence looks dull often, and many people live within the CBD area of Melbourne also.

no I hate greenie people who oppose to everything that is of benefit to the normal society, like the Sydney desalination plant.

NIMBY'S. Desalination though negative at the outset to the enviroment can be offset with windmills and tree's it's the NIMBY'S who force these things back.

Well i'm not drinking recycled bore water crap. I've had it before and it tastes shitty. So now unless el nino goes to america we've got nothing to drink all because they listened to greenies. :(

It is interesting to note that recycled water is by far cleanerthan standard tap water at present, because the water goes through three extra processes:

1. Micro-filtration/ultra-filtration to remove larger particles,
2. Reverse osmosis membrane to remove pollutants such as salts, drugs, chemicals, contaminants and viruses, and
3. Ultraviolet light disinfection and oxidation which provides additional layer of protection by passing the water through intense light hundreds of times stronger than the sun.

The water then goes through the same cleaning process as the standard drinking water does. The water is so clean it could be used for kidney dialysis!!

The standard drinking water really has the same stuff in it from the start when you think how much fertalizer, animal crap, dirt etc. it picks up on the run to the dams, not to mention all the animals, that crap in the dams, and die for that matter.

I'd actually prefer recycled water, which to bring it back to the topic, is what they are putting in on "the world" development.

So you'd rather industrial water than natural water?

H2O is H2O and to me it doesn't matter how you get it.

The recycled water is actually closer to H2O than what the water we drink now is!!!

Holy shit! Well thats pleasing to know but it still would've been fun to see a desalinization plant in all it's hugeness...

Holy shit! Well thats pleasing to know but it still would've been fun to see a desalinization plant in all it's hugeness...

Then come to WA> :)

no I hate greenie people who oppose to everything that is of benefit to the normal society, like the Sydney desalination plant.
some useless info for the dubai bashers.
There are 40 million palms under cultivation in the UAE and on average around 3000 mature Phoenix dactylifera (date palms) get planted monthly in order to green the city.doubt there are many cities that can do that
Yes there are some unsightly very dense areas but on a whole its new and modern with loads of landscaping everywhere in order to comply with world standards on green space rations

Well thats not what the render says!

Whoa is there a desalinization plant in wa?

Whoa is there a desalinization plant in wa?

I don't think we have any in operation yet, but there are a few large ones being built here using world-leading technology... If you watched "Beyond Tomorrow" last year you would have heard of them...

Joel

some useless info for the dubai bashers.
There are 40 million palms under cultivation in the UAE and on average around 3000 mature Phoenix dactylifera (date palms) get planted monthly in order to green the city.doubt there are many cities that can do that
and that is around 20% of the world palm trees, most of them are planted artificially.

What the noogamagoogs? There has gotta be more than 200 million palms in the world. Try 20 billion! Even i have at least 15 palms in my wifes garden.

Even i have at least 15 palms in my wifes garden.

Holy shit you're married?! I figured you were like 12.

Gosh you're a fucking smartass...

Dubai doesnt have "suburbs." Dubai is Dubai. the city is the city. but if ur looking to see what its low-density residential neighbourhoods look like here are some pics


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So you live in dubai right? Do more people live in flats/townhouses/skyscrapers than houses? And a mansion is like a 400 metre building?

Are there few houses because there is no point to having a yard because it is desert, so you may as well live in the same sized abode but it being a unit?

Hmmm yes thanks for mocking my question. But anyway sand in the backyard could be a talking point or just go get some turf and water daily.

in Dubai
a massive oversimplification but: half live in apartments, half live in houses.

thats how it with the people i know at least.
generally, the richer you are, the more likely you are to live in a house. lately, with the introduction of more and more high quality apartments, you can find lots of rich people livin in apartments.

http://tinypic.com/jjqskj.jpg

how the hell do you get your grass so green? looks fantastic! LOL

our front lawn could be a bit greener i must admit

oh and thunderhead, why dont you just shut your trap, youre just embarassing yourself. actually dont shut your trap, i find your ranting quite amusing :lol:

Well, I think those pics of the park have a little extra saturation but only a bit. That park just opened recently btw

either the pic is photoshopped or as malec said coz the park is brand new, + its winter time so the greeneryis in prime condition

its not photoshoped its real. the reason Dubai has such green grass is due to the high nitrate contaent of the water which is TSE (treated Sewrage and effluant) or in aussie terms grey water. The DM parks and landscaping are all watered with it and thats why things are so green.

What the noogamagoogs? There has gotta be more than 200 million palms in the world. Try 20 billion! Even i have at least 15 palms in my wifes garden.
and I have 400 in my father's farm ;)

The 200 million is accurate and the UAE has the 2nd highest if not the highest.

remember we are talking about date palms not ALL palms

i was bored.lol
Dubai has an amAzing 300 skyscrapers currently uc!
heres a basic graph showing approx 225 over 90m/300ft+
alot of ldgs on emporis have no official height so i estimated 50 of the 25-35st apartment towers at 90m-120m high.
i put in 309m sydney tower,322m Q1 and 297m eureka for comparison.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5519/dubai150mplus8fy.jpg

:eek2:

Dubai is amazing and the construction going on there is unbelieveable, but I cant help think that in about 15-20 years time their skylines is going to look awful. Given that all the buildings are going up all at once then they are going to be of a certain generation/era. It is like us know looking at a city completely built in the 60-70's i.e Benidorm. Granted these structures are better designed that they were 40 years ago, but I just think the skyline will date dramatically, unless of course they keep this construction going. What do you guys think?

i understand what your saying, but some the designs are excellent.the immediate boom will slow down soon and then we will see another wave of towers, maybe with even more futistic designsin 10 years or so. I dont think Burj Dubai will ever date.
The skyline in 10 years will be nothing short of spectacular! it will never have any historic highrise like NYC or Chicago but will still look impressive. maybe they might erect some highrise with "oldstyle" theme. if you cant build them back 70 years ago, maybe design them with Art deco influence ect.

but what happens when the property market crashes due to an oversupply? is anyone an economist here? i would love to discuss dubai.....

There is a 4 level art deco hotel on SZR dwarfed by the skyscrapers. As for History no doubt that NY's 1930 skyscrapers are amazing, but when you think about some of the designs in dubai they are cutting edge and dubai is becoming a outlet of new thinking or big thinking were designs were not usually posible. Most of dubai will be regarded well in the future, who knows mabey we will be yelled at in 50 years time for knocking down sexy 70's concrete. Al Sharq tower is a example, infinity is another, Burj Dubai could be as romantic and huge as the empire state building it could end up like that who know what people will say. History judges and history judges history again, i think dubai will be regarded well.

Bubble trouble hits Dubai

In the first of a two-part series on Dubai's building boom, Florence Chong and Turi Condon report on its uncertainties
March 09, 2006

IT may be the world's hottest property market, but having checked out Dubai over the past couple of years, Daniel Grollo has decided it is not the time to tender for work as a head contractor there.

Instead, the joint managing director of the Melbourne-based Grocon has opted to provide technical services to other contractors.

"We have no fixed plans to enter the market, but we provide technical services to two projects in Dubai. There are a few more projects in the pipeline," Grollo tells The Australian.

Grocon is not the only one taking a cautious approach to what has been described as the "world's busiest construction market", with its spiralling building costs and squeezed margins.

Bill Moss, Macquarie Bank's head of banking and property, says the bank had been looking at real estate opportunities in Dubai for several years, but is not comfortable enough to invest.






"There appears to be no relationship between supply and demand and it is a market where you could potentially see a massive oversupply, especially hotel rooms and apartments," Moss says. "If you invest in a boom, you would like it to be demand-led."

Australia's senior trade commissioner in Dubai, Peter Linford, says: "The initial (building) projects with big margins have been creamed off".

There are unconfirmed reports of smaller, inexperienced contractors getting into financial trouble and, according to some industry sources, even large builders have been forced to renegotiate their contracts so the developer can help absorb some of the costs.

Many Australians are already entrenched in Dubai's construction sector. Last week, Investa Property Group chief executive Chris O'Donnell announced he had resigned to head Dubai's largest developer, Nakheel property group, which has a $33 billion pipeline.

Multiplex, builder of London's troubled Wembley Stadium, has pushed into the Middle Eastern market with $1.2 billion worth of construction projects in Dubai.

Multiplex spokesman Mathew Chandler says market growth had to be cautiously managed.

"It is a hot market with a lot of volume going through."

But Chandler says the pressure on costs is easing as the global demand for key materials such as steel and cement had softened - partly because of a construction slowdown in China.

Multiplex's joint venture, Nasa Multiplex, is one of the largest development companies in the United Arab Emirates, and has regular clients, including Emaar Properties, which has a huge development pipeline.

Paul Morris, an Australian who runs engineering firm GHD's Middle East operation, agrees there is concern about market overheating.

"There are no escalation clauses in building contracts. It is a risk you take," Morris says.

GHD is working on $10 billion worth of projects in the region.

Jeff Rossely, group vice-president with one of the UAE's largest developers, Majid Al Fattam Group, estimates that 80 per cent of contracts used are lump-sum, fixed-price contracts.

Industry sources say the UAE's ruler, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, had previously stepped in to regulate prices when the increases became too steep to maintain an orderly market.

Rossely says that costs have risen 20-30 per cent in some sectors. Prices for steel and cement, used in the early stages of building, were the first to skyrocket about two years ago.

The shortages will move with the progress of construction, from foundation to electrical and mechanical engineering stages and, finally, fit-outs and furnishings, says Rossely.

Guy Scott, managing director of APP International in Dubai, says: "We work on lump-sum pricing. Fortunately, we've got our pricing right."

He warns that Dubai is a young, developing market with many new developers who can be difficult to work with.

Scott says the company is "very selective in what we do".

A Gulf newspaper recently reported that Dubailand - the Middle East's answer to Disneyland - plans to delay some of its 45 projects.

But Dubailand's chief executive Saeed Al Muntafiq rejects the report and says some 25 projects, costing $US9.5 billion ($12.9 billion), are under way and that it plans to launch products worth up to $US8.2 billion in 18 months.

Other sources report seeing large new apartment towers empty and locked up.

Topping all that, GHD's Morris says exchange rate movement between the Australian and US currencies had added another 40 per cent to costs in recent years.

and I have 400 in my father's farm ;)

The 200 million is accurate and the UAE has the 2nd highest if not the highest.

Oh god thats crazy! But if it's true it must be amazing. It's just that we didn't see too many trees in one of the renders...

that article is written from a contractor and consultsnts point of view.
I work as a development manager for a massive development company and believ me all projects are commerically driven, there is no pie in thge sky projects. If it looses money it looses money, no one is going to make it up for you( ie governmnet handouts).
peoiple just dont get that this city is sizzeling just as Berlin was in the early 90s and shanghi in the late 90s. late 2006-10 it will probably be Doha in Qatar as they ramp up and the Saudis have so much money ,they dont know what to do with it.
for boom read houston 70s etc so this is not a new issue. Sure the market will soften and developers will be more cautious and expect better returns but companies like Grocon have seen their arse in Dubai cos they want the bigger margins they get in OZ. Wont happen cos the developers here are maturing ie they are getting better at developing so they start to deal with the GHD and Grocons of the world and trade them for a Hyder and a China central contracting to get the same result with a better cost

I forget where I flogged this from, but it cracks me up!

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Sorry, this isn't related to Dubai, but I do continue to wonder how thunder head can keep getting away with prolific name-calling and personal insults?

Does it have anything to do with him being mates with one of the Mods maybe(?), or that he has a post count sitting just under 400, (not so hard to achieve when posting so much peurile tripe) which supposedly makes him credible and less likely to face a ban?

thunder head contributes nothing of any interest to threads and invariably turns any that he 'contributes' to into immature rants. I'm sure others here have seen much of his literature and would all agree - besides Mr Centrepoint who is obviously his 13 year-old best mate and shares a similarly immature intellect - that most things he says is of no worthwhile merit.

I have seen others banned for much less much sooner.

If he is immune from a ban, can we please make an attempt to curb his childlike behaviour? Every time I view threads that include posts from thunder head, I keep having to remind myself I'm here and not somewhere like Sesamestreet.com

I forget where I flogged this from, but it cracks me up!

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5752/dubai199120053uj.jpg

That's a coincidence, i just got an email yesterday with those two pictures!! :)

Sorry, this isn't related to Dubai, but I do continue to wonder how thunder head can keep getting away with prolific name-calling and personal insults?

Does it have anything to do with him being mates with one of the Mods maybe(?), or that he has a post count sitting just under 400, (not so hard to achieve when posting so much peurile tripe) which supposedly makes him credible and less likely to face a ban?

thunder head contributes nothing of any interest to threads and invariably turns any that he 'contributes' to into immature rants. I'm sure others here have seen much of his literature and would all agree - besides Mr Centrepoint who is obviously his 13 year-old best mate and shares a similarly immature intellect - that most things he says is of no worthwhile merit.

I have seen others banned for much less much sooner.

If he is immune from a ban, can we please make an attempt to curb his childlike behaviour? Every time I view threads that include posts from thunder head, I keep having to remind myself I'm here and not somewhere like Sesamestreet.com
writing essays while flying your little C152 is stupid in it's own right. Eyes on the airways mate, not on your little lap top.

Surprise, surprise. Another painfully predictable and childlike comment from thunder head. Don't you have any homework to do young man? :bash:

He's back. :ohno:

Geez Captain Chaos, you seem a little dissatisfied. Why don't you rip the Pitot Tube off your little pink C152 and jab it up your arse.

hey, if you think I'm so childish, why are you paying attention to me? You people always reply to my comments, encouraging me to reply back, thus causing you guys apparent grief. Just ignore me and you won't hear from me as often.

He's back. :ohno:
oh, what a tragedy. Well, it's your problem, deal with it.

I'm not paying attention to you thunderbox, you just appear to be a hanger-on, much like dags on a sheeps arse. You don't get enough attention in the playground and are fed-up of being bullied in the real world, so you come here to get the attention you crave so desperately instead. Grow up young man.

STFU you retard. You don't know me or how I live my life so don't go judging me on that basis. Get back to blowing your monkey Arunava.

Mods, take this puppy back to the mental institution.

hey, if you think I'm so childish, why are you paying attention to me? You people always reply to my comments, encouraging me to reply back, thus causing you guys apparent grief. Just ignore me and you won't hear from me as often.
Finally some bit of sense coming from this guy!!

:D

"Blowing my GIRLFRIEND???!" :hilarious

Hahahahahahaha! :rofl:

Ah, so now we know that not only are you a mere youngster th, we also know that you're a virgin. Let me just add 'sex' to that increasingly long list of things you know nothing about.

hey fuckwit, if you look closely, I said 'monkey' not girlfriend. Are you blind in additon to being mentally screwed up?

Oh derrrrrrrrrrr, we can all see you have since edited your post. Get a life mate.

you suck

fuck you, I'm not your mate you fucking arsehole, just go and fuck yourself in the arse with a rusty pitot tube.

That's absolutely right, you're not my mate. You're not anyone else's mate either, you little sad case.

Well, VIRGIN, I've had just about enough of you now. From this point on, you're being ignored.

good, I hate your guts and I'd be much happier not talking to you, arsewipe.

lol. Wow thats tough talk for the internet.

thunderhead, your so immature, grow up...

do you have any intrest in skycrapers at all? or are you just here to piss evry1 off?

oh wait, you like shoving them up your arse :| :ohno:

OMG...have you been bludging school thunderhead??? your last post was made at 1:48pm...

someone do something!!! there is an immature teenager on a rampage...

school holidays duh, otherwise I would be at school at 1:48pm.

I dont think that he should've been banned, I mean he might be childish, but banning him :ohno:

I think it's because he used very rude, offensive and derogatory language.

Well done to the Moderator(s)!

I don't think 'thunder head' should be using such bad language for his age... by the way what is his age??? :crazy:

i dunno...but its school holidays???
its not over here in SA