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cmd uw
February 4th, 2006, 08:46 PM
I think the increased discussion on Edmonton deserved a new seperate thread.

Fire away boys....and gals.

Highrise potential looking up
Rising lease rates may spur new construction

Gary Lamphier, The Edmonton Journal
Saturday, February 04, 2006

A new office tower on Jasper Avenue? Edmonton hasn't seen one of those since Commerce Place was built, 16 years ago.

Although the Devonian Building -- at 112th Street and Jasper -- is being gutted to make way for Class A office space, and a Toronto developer recently filed plans to build a new tower at Petroleum Plaza, near the legislature grounds, no new office building has graced Edmonton's main strip since 1990.

But that may be about to change.

With Edmonton's office vacancy rates at their lowest level in recent memory, and local lease rates on a steady climb, the odds of seeing a developer break ground on a new office tower on Jasper are improving.

Skeptical? Consider Exhibit A:

Melcor Developments.

The 83-year-old Edmonton-based property developer, which is on track to report its best year ever in 2005, and has seen its share price zoom 600 per cent to nearly $140 over the past five years, is considering building a new tower west of the Royal Bank Building, at Jasper and 101st Street.

Melcor acquired the 15-storey, 135,000-square-foot Royal Bank tower -- along with the park-like lot to the west, and the five-storey parking garage across the lane, to the south -- for an undisclosed price last July. The seller was a numbered company owned by local and foreign investors.

At the time, Melcor said it had no immediate plans to build on the treed parcel of land next door. It's on the southeast corner of Jasper and 102nd Street, and kitty corner from the former Bay building -- the U of A's future downtown campus.

But with Edmonton's real estate market in overdrive, Melcor -- which already has a modest portfolio of office properties in Edmonton, Calgary and Regina -- is slowly warming up to the idea of developing the site.

"We're obviously not committing to anything today," says Melcor CEO Ralph Young, carefully choosing his words.

"Lease rates have to be up in the $25-a-square-foot range, or at least $10 above where we're at today. But we feel reasonably confident, based on the signs we're seeing today, that within 18 months to two years, we'd be ready to have a very serious look, or even start development on that site."

Melcor hasn't drawn up any plans yet, and Young says he's willing to consider all sensible options, including a possible mixed-used tower that would incorporate both offices and condos. Such developments are increasingly popular in cities like Vancouver, which has lost many large head offices in recent years, even as residents have continued to flock downtown.

"Some people would suggest that a building in that location would make a very good mixed-use building. A highrise could be 25 to 30 storeys, with maybe one-third office and two-thirds residential," says Young.

"That's a concept that hasn't been seen in Edmonton, but it's getting to be quite common in other major cities. And based on the market today, that would probably be the type of project that makes the most economic sense," he adds.

"Demand for office space is still fairly modest in Edmonton, and demand for condos is still relatively strong. But as I say, we haven't come to any conclusions yet, and we won't for at least another year."

Although the vacancy rate in the Royal Bank tower has actually risen a bit since Melcor acquired the property in July -- due to the relocation of one particular tenant -- Young says overall demand is firming up.

"We've had a number of interested parties looking at new space in that building.

"There's nothing concrete yet, but we see enough activity that we're not at all concerned about the potential to lease that up," he says.

Young isn't the only one who sees brighter days ahead for Edmonton's long-moribund downtown office market.

Although the $240-million Station Lands megaproject has failed to go ahead due to its gritty location and mammoth scale, most signs suggest a rebound is well underway.

In its recently released 2006 forecast, real estate broker Avison Young notes that Edmonton's downtown office vacancy rate slid to just 7.0 per cent by

the end of 2005 -- making it the third-lowest among Canada's major cities, and fifth-lowest among 75 downtown markets across North America.

Avison says it expects local vacancy rates to fall below 6.0 per cent this year.

Meanwhile, office lease rates jumped by more than $3 per square foot in 2005, it adds, and Avison projects average net rental rates in the city's Class A office buildings to top the "mid-teens" by the end of the second quarter.

All of that bodes well for future office construction in the city's downtown core.

"For the first time in nearly 20 years, landlords are positioning themselves for the potential of new supply entering our market in the event rental rates continue their climb, and the lack of space limits leasing opportunities for large tenants," Avison says.

glamphier@thejournal.canwest.com

coldrsx
February 6th, 2006, 06:37 PM
i truly believe that if melcor started a tower there in the next 12months, when it is finished in 2008/9, it would be totally viable and pre leased.

IKAN104
February 6th, 2006, 11:10 PM
What we need in Edmonton is for a major company to announce it's moving here. Like what happened with CP to Calgary. Sure, we've seen companies like Intuit, DELL and Finning move here but none of those companies will have any office space downtown by the time DELL moves into their new building.

We need a major company to take up a big chunk of office space or even announce they're building their own building like what Encana is doing in Calgary. For the most part our office space is filled by either government workers or smallish service industry types like lawfirms, banks or real estate companies.

Would Melcor or anybody else build a building and hope it will fill up when they're done?

IKAN104
February 6th, 2006, 11:31 PM
In its recently released 2006 forecast, real estate broker Avison Young notes that Edmonton's downtown office vacancy rate slid to just 7.0 per cent by the end of 2005
Actually, the 7.0% Gary quoted in his article refers to Edmonton's overall office vacancy rate which includes downtown and suburban office space. The downtown office vacancy rate actually fell to 5.4% while the suburban vacancy rate sits at 9.9%

The downtown office vacancy rate breaks down like this:

Class A: 4.5%
Class B: 4.7%
Class C: 14.5%

Total: 5.4%

The suburban office numbers are dragged down by high vacancy rates in two of seven distinct areas, 124th Street (19%) and 118th Ave (16.8%). Office vacancy in the west end sits at a paltry 3.2%

These numbers are all available from www.colliers.com.

Colliers also predicts that "A Class rental rates could reach $18-$20 per square foot net by years end as demand continues to outstrip supply."

Here is the link to the full pdf if anybody's interested: http://www.colliersmn.com/prod/ccgrd.nsf/publish/714FF2237279B27B872570F2005CE6F0/$File/q405-office.pdf

coldrsx
February 7th, 2006, 10:04 PM
^$20-25 will make us new towers.

CanadianCentaur
February 7th, 2006, 11:24 PM
^^ Edmonton never fails to surprise me in this respect.

Hopefully, here's to a new tower soon! :cheers:

Rhino
February 8th, 2006, 03:50 AM
now , that I think of it Believe that Station Landing never had any intention of building and it was all media hype to place focus on maybe some of thier other projects . Ass holes.

CanadianCentaur
February 8th, 2006, 04:04 AM
^^ That's another reason why this city never fails to amaze me.

One thing about Stationlands is that it's in a bad site - it's cut off from most of the core by the City Hall and 104 Ave.

What I don't understand is why the hell Qualico hasn't killed this project at all. I suspect strongly that something is going on, but we don't know what.

JBinCalgary
February 8th, 2006, 04:33 AM
any renderings?

Rhino
February 8th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I believe they are trying to drive the price tag up on thier property and sell it off to make a profit.

oh by the way here it is
http://www.westbankcorp.com/images/century-full6.jpg

JBinCalgary
February 8th, 2006, 04:32 PM
wow, that project is huge!
way to go edmonton

snoopy
February 8th, 2006, 05:07 PM
^^ that isn't stationlands... that's Century Park

good show for edmonton... nice low vacancy numbers!

Rhino
February 8th, 2006, 05:33 PM
LOL your right sorry ha ha ha

coldrsx
February 8th, 2006, 06:51 PM
www.stationlands.com

Citysource
March 31st, 2006, 10:20 AM
I have no idea why on earth Qualico still has the signs up. They have begun to demolish the last buildings on their site, but I suspect we will only see minor developments until the market is on fire. The finshed product won't be what the renderings show because they wil have to go through the new Edmonton Design Committee.

Someone else will beat Qualico to build the first new stand alone tower. It really would not be hard to fill a new tower in Edmonton. Law firms LOVE to be in the best home in town, and the 2 premier towers are full. The City has completed leasing in the CN Tower and for the fist time in eons that old beauty is full too. The vacant peices of the towers downtown are too small for any medium sized company to move into.

My opinion is that we will see some new commercial towers once the construction begins on the Petroleum Plaza Infill and the Province knocks down the Terrace and Annex buildings.

cmd uw
March 31st, 2006, 06:07 PM
I have no idea why on earth Qualico still has the signs up. They have begun to demolish the last buildings on their site, but I suspect we will only see minor developments until the market is on fire. The finshed product won't be what the renderings show because they wil have to go through the new Edmonton Design Committee.

Someone else will beat Qualico to build the first new stand alone tower. It really would not be hard to fill a new tower in Edmonton. Law firms LOVE to be in the best home in town, and the 2 premier towers are full. The City has completed leasing in the CN Tower and for the fist time in eons that old beauty is full too. The vacant peices of the towers downtown are too small for any medium sized company to move into.

My opinion is that we will see some new commercial towers once the construction begins on the Petroleum Plaza Infill and the Province knocks down the Terrace and Annex buildings.
/\ not to mention the Devonian and the Professional Building renovations. The Devonian will look very nice once completed. The blue glass already adds a modern element to that corner of Jasper and 112 St.

cmd uw
March 31st, 2006, 06:09 PM
Is that a whale surfacing on Jasper?
Streetfront Sobeys would be perfect for 104th Street

Scott McKeen, The Edmonton Journal
Friday, March 31, 2006

This is not a fish story. It's a whale story. A story about whales in the downtown.

Admittedly, it's more Baby Beluga than Moby Dick. But some of us prefer belugas over, uh, mobies.

OK, let me explain. Downtown is close to landing a Sobeys grocery store for Jasper Avenue at 104th Street. This urban-scale grocery store will sit on the corner formerly occupied by the Cecil Hotel, now demolished.

For years, downtown boosters tried to attract huge developments downtown. In economic-development lingo, such things are known as whale projects.

You might remember how some people tried to lure the new provincial museum to downtown. A major museum is a whale, just as a corporate head office is a whale.

Whale projects are coveted because they bring a high number of workers and visitors to an area. Such people demand places to eat, drink, shop and relax. So whales create spinoff businesses -- cafes, restaurants, pubs and stores.

The city landed a decent-sized, compatible whale when Capital Health consolidated its operations downtown. It landed another when the University of Alberta agreed to expand into the mostly vacant Bay building on Jasper Avenue.

This Sobeys? Its beluga size is part of the good news. It will fit snugly into the urban ambience being created on 104th, with its mod restaurants, shops, boutiques and lofts.

The two-storey Sobeys, as planned, will be open to the sidewalk, much like an old-world grocer. I've not yet seen the designs. But Coun. Michael Phair likes what he's been shown.

The developer of the site, John Day, declined to comment. I'm not surprised. The deal is not quite done.

The roadblock, according to Phair, is logistical.

The alley behind the old Cecil site is a tight squeeze for grocery trucks. Still, the city wants Sobeys to reach the store's loading docks from the alley.

Sobeys prefers to bring its trucks in off 104th Street. Regulations won't allow it. So either the city or Sobeys must make a concession.

It would be beyond dumb to let this one slip away. The scale and design of the Sobeys proposal is ideal for the area. While it would include some underground parking, the store would mostly be a walking destination, within easy reach of numerous existing or planned condo buildings.

The ability to walk to the store not only serves a need -- a grocery store is high on downtown residents' wish list -- it helps create a much-needed vibe downtown. As we know, Edmonton's downtown, over the last four decades, lost its street life.

Not because there aren't crowds of people working and living downtown. But because we no longer have the street-level shops, restaurants and boutiques to encourage sidewalk strolling. Much of downtown's shopping and entertainment is, regrettably, hidden away inside buildings and malls.

The 104th Street sidewalks, though, are teeming with life, especially on summer Saturdays, what with the new farmers market. Sobeys would add to that critical mass and pull more people out of their buildings, out of their cars and onto the sidewalks.

At the same time, the Sobeys would undermine a ludicrous whale project -- the proposal to build the nation's largest Superstore on the corner of 104th Avenue and 101st Street.

While the Sobeys is a true urban design, the Superstore plan is one suited for the suburbs, with its big-box form and surface parking.

The Superstore is a car-oriented, one-stop facility. It would encourage people into cars and onto roads, instead of spilling them onto the sidewalks of downtown.

The Sobeys plan will be a catalyst for new business in and around moribund Jasper Avenue.

The Superstore proposal, the Moby Dick of this tale, would create a vortex to the north, sucking business toward it instead.

There was a time, not many years ago, when city council capitulated and allowed developers to create a suburban-style power centre along 104th Avenue, on the north edge of downtown. The economy was flat and the city was starved for investment.

Developers enjoyed the upper hand. Not so much now. Not when the economy is booming. Not when the city can barely keep up with development proposals.

Yes, there is a need for another grocery store downtown. City council must choose. Land that sidewalk-friendly Sobeys, I say. And ignore the big trophy. As Ahab learned, some whales are deadly.

smckeen@thejournal.canwest.com

Citysource
March 31st, 2006, 06:53 PM
I support the City's position on loading docks in the alley. This is a prominent corner lot with an elegant heritage building across 104 street - The Birks Building - it would be a shame to build a neat new grocery store and then have a boring blank wall running back from Jasper Ave down 104 Street. I really hope the entrances to the store actually address the corner, or face both streets. There is such a good wine shop on the other side of 104 street, it has gorgeous windows, and I would hate for tem to have to look at an empty wall, not to mention the LRT entrance - this needs some natural surveilance too. Blank walls = grafitti and homeless people peeing on them. That being said I do think a 2 storey Sobeys could be a cool element to solidify the residential nature of the downtown.

cmd uw
March 31st, 2006, 08:39 PM
I support the City's position on loading docks in the alley. This is a prominent corner lot with an elegant heritage building across 104 street - The Birks Building - it would be a shame to build a neat new grocery store and then have a boring blank wall running back from Jasper Ave down 104 Street. I really hope the entrances to the store actually address the corner, or face both streets. There is such a good wine shop on the other side of 104 street, it has gorgeous windows, and I would hate for tem to have to look at an empty wall, not to mention the LRT entrance - this needs some natural surveilance too. Blank walls = grafitti and homeless people peeing on them. That being said I do think a 2 storey Sobeys could be a cool element to solidify the residential nature of the downtown.
/\ if the rendering I saw a couple months ago is what will ultimately be built, it'll be awesome. A very nice design.

Rhino
March 31st, 2006, 10:40 PM
very nice ,I wonder if they will expand to B.C. some times soon as well.

Citysource
April 4th, 2006, 07:36 AM
I would be very happy if something CREATIVE went up in Edmoton, so far everyone has played it really safe and used a lot of concrete. The Illuminadas and Serenity are getting closer to the more elegant glass structures of the west (including Calgary)...I was in Ottawa recently and found this on a walk in the downtown...(its called The Mondrian)...

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Coltrain78/1b2bf794.jpg

Rhino
April 4th, 2006, 07:44 AM
looks great !!!

Citysource
April 4th, 2006, 07:48 AM
check out their web site: http://www.urbancapital.ca/mondrian/main.html

Rhino
April 4th, 2006, 08:49 AM
thats pretty cool

coldrsx
April 4th, 2006, 08:32 PM
^nice tower, bad hiding of parkade.

Citysource
April 5th, 2006, 04:35 AM
its not really clear if that is a parkade - the info on their web site said parking was "underground" - it could be offices, or common area facilities...or parking.

cmd uw
April 10th, 2006, 03:13 AM
its not really clear if that is a parkade - the info on their web site said parking was "underground" - it could be offices, or common area facilities...or parking.
I believe a portion is underground and the remaining is above ground.

Rhino
April 10th, 2006, 04:24 AM
umm , I just had to re read this all , why are we talking about a Tower beeing built in Ottawa on this thread?

Citysource
April 10th, 2006, 08:21 AM
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itom 987
April 10th, 2006, 10:24 AM
Relax Citysource, there was just a misunderstanding.