This summer, me and some of my closest friends will go to China to protest

[United-States-of-America]

the way they treat people who practice Falun Gong at Tiammen Square. There will be around 15-25 people protesting. We already have our visas ready, and booked our hotels with Internet. Any Advice?

[Sergei]

Don't you think that's dangerous?

[Marcanadian]

^^ Yeah, I was thinking the same thing

[United-States-of-America]

^^ Nope. The worst they can do is through me into prison for a few hours, but I'll be released. We don't intend to be seen since the National Congress is not in session.

[spyguy]

"Any advice?"

Don't do it?

[Zaqattaq]

Is this a joke

[Renkinjutsushi]

Will you be in HK or Mainland China?

[ZimasterX]

What is Falun Gong?

[Giorgio]

Advice: 25 people will have no impact at all LOL.

[I-275westcoastfl]

Protesting in a communist country :lol:

[United-States-of-America]

']Advice: 25 people will have no impact at all LOL.
We're also preparing a 10' by 2' banner.

[vid]

Wow, 10' by 2"! READABLE!!

Man, you're a weird one.

[pottebaum]

The worst they can do is through me into prison for a few hours

Well if by "throw"(through?) you mean "shoot", and by "into prison" mean "with machine guns", you're correct. Don't do it! Just put a Free Tibet bumper sticker on the back of your Honda and move on.

[Bahnsteig4]

Let him have his fun. I'm convinced he has good intentions, but I believe there is still so much to be sorted out in the US or in each of our "western" countries. How about homosexual rights in the US, for example?



However, I think this is not the right forum section.

[empersouf]

Well, make sure you visit the great wall of china! No trip to Beijing is completed whitout. Also visit the forbidden square! Great fun there.

[CrazyCanuck]

Heres a tip. Go to China, visit an internet cafe. Go to google, and keep typing in Falun Gong over and over again until the computer shuts down spontaneously. When it does, rethink your actions and come back home.

[TheBigKahuna]

I'm not sure that's a great idea, seeing as the tens of millions of Falun Gong practitioners tried with little success to grant themselves acceptance from the government. If you are hell bent on doing it though, make sure you do all your sightseeing beforehand, go to the Forbidden City, Temple of Heaven, all the lakes and clubs and old style Hutongs and the Great Wall. Feast on some Peking Duck and Hot Pot.

Cameras are everywhere on Tiananmen Square and there are plenty of policemen. Chances are, you guys will be thrown into an Iveco Police van before you know what hit you and questioned before being deported.

According to the goverment there were apparantly 84,000 protests in 2005, most are about compensation for housing and land. The people are free to protest about these matters for the most part as they're not political. The government is definitely more sensitive about issues such as Falun Gong. The idea of you guys protesting for such a cause is intriguing to me but good luck!

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7422/dscn15530qh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Plenty of Cameras

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/4157/dscn15416sq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
These are the police vehicles on Tiananmen Square

[empersouf]

What is that man right behind the police van doing?

[mr_storms]

as people have said, do your sightseeing before your protest. You probably wont be injured, but youll most likely be taken by police and deported before you have enough time to actually do any demonstrating.

[dom]

I was in Tianenman Square only a few months back.

I would advise you not to protest but if you want to stage an effective protest you should not all walk in a group of 15-25 people as you'll probably be broken up before you even get the chance to start protesting. You will need to familiarise yourself with the Geography of the square first. This can be done with a bit of on-site reconnaisance.

I would recommend going in 2 or 3 groups entering from opposite ends of the square. One entrance is in front of the Tianenman gate and there is another entrance near the McDonalds and Mao's Mausoleum.

Go and see all the sites and attractions that you want before you go into the square as you should assume that you will be arrested and interrogated. And that's if you are lucky. Don't plan on ever going to China again as you will probably barred from entrance for at least 10 years. You might get on the news though!

[empersouf]

^^
Such things about China just make me sick.

[Hidden Dragon]

the way they treat people who practice Falun Gong at Tiammen Square. There will be around 15-25 people protesting. We already have our visas ready, and booked our hotels with Internet. Any Advice?

Take Bush with you

[empersouf]

^^
Why should he do that???

[FREKI]

My advice would be to contact the UN and ask what have the biggest impact.. because the protest will only last 10 seconds and then you will ( if not to serius injured ) get to spend about a week or two in a chinese prison where they will try to frame you with serius crimes like spying and such... so in the worst case you will need layers and spend a long time away from SSC... belive me dude it's not worth it...

Go work for a pro NGO or the UN... that's why they are there!

[mexicaninmontreal]

You better visit the Great Wall and all the tourist attractions before protesting because you will be deported right after. :runaway:

[Facial]

Have fun being arrested.

[WANCH]

What is Falun Gong?

http://www.falundafa.org

Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa) is an ancient form of qigong, the practice of refining the body and mind through special exercises and meditation. Like tai chi, qigong is a vital part of many people's lives in Asia; almost every Chinese park is brimming by the break of dawn with people practicing these arts.

Only a few years after its public introduction in 1992, Falun Dafa quickly grew to become the most popular form of qigong ever in Chinese history. The major reason for this is that Falun Dafa distinguishes itself from other qigong practices by emphasizing not only physical cultivation, but also cultivation of one's moral character in daily life according to higher principles taught by Mr. Li Hongzhi, Falun Dafa's founder.

Falun Dafa's effectiveness in improving health and its profound principles have quickly made the practice immensely popular throughout the entire world. Since being introduced to the general public by Mr. Li, Falun Dafa has attracted tens of millions of people in over 60 countries. Most major cities and universities in the United States, Canada, Australia, and Europe have English-speaking Falun Dafa practice groups.

The people who practice Falun Dafa come from every imaginable walk of life, as Falun Dafa transcends cultural, social, economic, and national boundaries. The practice has spread largely by word of mouth, as those who learn it usually find the benefits simply too good to keep to themselves.

The only thing I can say is protesting of The Falun Gong's activities in mainland China is extremely dangerous and I wouldn't recommend it. But if you do go, you have to face the consequences if caught.

Anyway before you decide to fly to Beijing, please check out this website which shows the consequences of those caught and let me warn you, it's gonna be very disturbing!

http://www.faluninfo.net

[Baianóide]

^^ I saw the way they use to torture. It's horrible, I think they are monsters, devils, people whitout soul. I'm shocked, aghast and indignant about it.

[cjfjapan]

Advice: don't. Don't count on the embassy lifting a finger for you either. Enjoy Chinese prison!

[urbane]

I can't believe people actually believe this guy is really going to go to China and protest.

[Facial]

I encourage NewYorker1 to go protest openly and perform Falun Gong demonstrations for the sake of experience.

[♣628.finst]

What is Falun Gong?

Don't know anything about it, that's something from China I think. Never heard that in Canada. :eat:

[WANCH]

In HK, there are several Falun Gong protesters showing their small display stands on how they torture FG practioners. You'll see some of them right near the Kowloon Star Ferry. But this is HK and the SAR government has no problem in their activities. The fact of risking travelling to Beijing just to protest the mistreatment of FG is risking your life.

[WANCH]

From the US Embassy, China website

http://beijing.usembassy.gov/consular_sheet.html

In the past, protesters detained for engaging in pro-Falun Gong activities have been quickly deported from China after being questioned. Several of these protesters alleged they were physically abused during their detention. In addition, they alleged that personal property including clothing, cameras and computers have not always been returned to them upon their deportation. Chinese authorities report while they have deported these foreigners quickly after public demonstrations in favor of the Falun Gong, future adherents who intentionally arrive in China to protest against Chinese policy may receive longer terms of detention and possibly face prison sentences. In one instance, an American Falun Gong practitioner who was traveling in China on personal business was detained and asked to provide information on other Falun Gong sympathizers in the U.S.

[Tom_Green]

A guy seperated from you should film everything with a hidden camera.


Upload the video later ;)

[WANCH]

A guy seperated from you should film everything with a hidden camera.


Upload the video later ;)

That would be a good idea.

[empersouf]

It sounds as a great experience tough...

[normandb]

the way they treat people who practice Falun Gong at Tiammen Square. There will be around 15-25 people protesting. We already have our visas ready, and booked our hotels with Internet. Any Advice?

Goodluck :wave: and See you in Jail :D

[gaucho]

See you on CNN!

[WANCH]

or BBC :D

[Monkey]

Don't go. Your protest will last less than a minute before the police shut it down. The whole square is crawling with undercover and uniformed police looking out for people like you. Few people will see it and you will get no media coverage in China. You may also find many Chinese unsympathetic. Many think Falun Gong is a dangerous cult and support the government's tough line against them (of course they read the government censored papers so what can you expect!!). I think you will have much more impact protesting in the United States or Hong Kong where you could get media coverage and also remain safe from arrest and interrogation. I think protesting in Tiananmen Square is the height of recklessness. You may well just be interrogated and deported but it could be worse. You could land yourself in serious trouble. I would never trust the Chinese government with protecting my rights. I think it's a stupid risk to take and you will achieve nothing. You will probably reach more Chinese by opening a thread in the China section of this forum!!

[Monkey]

I can't believe people actually believe this guy is really going to go to China and protest.You can't be sure! Some people really are that dumb! Perhaps you know this forumer better than I do. I hope for his sake that you're right and this thread is just a prank.

[postmodern]

Don't go. Your protest will last less than a minute before the police shut it down. The whole square is crawling with undercover and uniformed police looking out for people like you. Few people will see it and you will get no media coverage in China. You may also find many Chinese unsympathetic. Many think Falun Gong is a dangerous cult and support the government's tough line against them (of course they read the government censored papers so what can you expect!!). I think you will have much more impact protesting in the United States or Hong Kong where you could get media coverage and also remain safe from arrest and interrogation. I think protesting in Tiananmen Square is the height of recklessness. You may well just be interrogated and deported but it could be worse. You could land yourself in serious trouble. I would never trust the Chinese government with protecting my rights. I think it's a stupid risk to take and you will achieve nothing. You will probably reach more Chinese by opening a thread in the China section of this forum!!
Pah. As if all oversea Chinese who don't usually read "censored papers" are supportive of FLG.

[null]

good luck

[WANCH]

Don't go. Your protest will last less than a minute before the police shut it down. The whole square is crawling with undercover and uniformed police looking out for people like you. Few people will see it and you will get no media coverage in China. You may also find many Chinese unsympathetic. Many think Falun Gong is a dangerous cult and support the government's tough line against them (of course they read the government censored papers so what can you expect!!). I think you will have much more impact protesting in the United States or Hong Kong where you could get media coverage and also remain safe from arrest and interrogation. I think protesting in Tiananmen Square is the height of recklessness. You may well just be interrogated and deported but it could be worse. You could land yourself in serious trouble. I would never trust the Chinese government with protecting my rights. I think it's a stupid risk to take and you will achieve nothing. You will probably reach more Chinese by opening a thread in the China section of this forum!!

I don't consider The Falun Gong a cult because it has no formal organization. But with it's growing number of practitioners, it is a threat to the government since it violates communist principles.

[Monkey]

Pah. As if all oversea Chinese who don't usually read "censored papers" are supportive of FLG.I never said they did! :bash:

[larven]

An extremely foolish thing to do. The protest will be broken up in minutes, have zero impact and you could wind up in a great deal of trouble. You must be off your head if you and these other 15-25 people are prepared to spend good money on this venture and for what....you will achieve absoulutely nothing.

[Rachmaninov]

Falun Gong is now just some political society. Many foreigners join them just to protest against the Chinese government, and I think that is not a very wise way to do so.

If you are so into human rights, why not protest in Iraq or North Korea? It sure would be more interesting lol!!
j/k

[Black_Sheep_Bah]

xx

[urbane]

You can't be sure! Some people really are that dumb! Perhaps you know this forumer better than I do. I hope for his sake that you're right and this thread is just a prank.

The forumer's old screen name used to be NewYorker1. First he claimed to be a communist, then to be a hardcore American flag-waving freedom-fries kind of capitalist, then to be 65 years old.

I think it's pretty likely that this is just one of his boring pranks.

[WANCH]

Falun Gong is now just some political society. Many foreigners join them just to protest against the Chinese government, and I think that is not a very wise way to do so.

If you are so into human rights, why not protest in Iraq or North Korea? It sure would be more interesting lol!!
j/k

North Korea would be really interesting :D

[postmodern]

The forumer's old screen name used to be NewYorker1. First he claimed to be a communist, then to be a hardcore American flag-waving freedom-fries kind of capitalist, then to be 65 years old.

I think it's pretty likely that this is just one of his boring pranks.
I was going to say the same thing but people might take it as a personal attack...hush.

[Facial]

The forumer's old screen name used to be NewYorker1. First he claimed to be a communist, then to be a hardcore American flag-waving freedom-fries kind of capitalist, then to be 65 years old.

I think it's pretty likely that this is just one of his boring pranks.

I agree. Not very intelligent either.