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cool, Cebu City has onlt 718k+ population... I hope it won't reach 1 million...

I dunno I know it's good not to have too big of a population but I reckon it will soon have a residential hi-rise boom and it'll probably reach 1M. I wonder are there any neighboring Cebu cities that is in that list?

^^ 31. mandaue and 40. lapu-lapu

So...
1. Manila
2. Davao
3. Cebu
4. Zamboanga
5. Antipolo
6. Cagayan de Oro
7. Bacolod
8. General Santos
9. Dasmariñas
10. Iloilo
11. San Jose del Monte
12. Bacoor
13. Iligan
14. Calamba
15. Butuan
16. Angeles
17. Tarlac
18. Mandaue
19. Baguio
20. Batangas

Nakakalito pa paghinihiwalay pa nila Metro Manila.

^^ 31. mandaue and 40. lapu-lapu

Talisay in no. 60 is the Talisay of Cebu...

overcrowded na pala yung qc
nde nako magpapatayo ng aking mansyon dun
baka may gumaya

I dunno I know it's good not to have too big of a population but I reckon it will soon have a residential hi-rise boom and it'll probably reach 1M. I wonder are there any neighboring Cebu cities that is in that list?

you know Cebu City during working days is very congested with people that's why I don't want the population of Cebu City to grow but instead I want it to decrease...

.... nice to know...... :colgate:

and according to the The Principal Agglomerations of the World list

14. Manila Agglomeration 14,950,000
240. Cebu Agglomeration 1,675,000
297. Davao Agglomeration 1,400,000

The Principal Agglomerations of the World (http://www.citypopulation.de/World.html)

nice find coke :okay:

Geez... manila is really big,... fourteenth world wide???

yikes !... considering the growth rates. I wonder how much strain would it affect on our cities limited resources

1. housing
2. jobs
3. schools/education
4. potable water supply
5. transportation
6. land

I believe....rapid population growth if left unchecked will slow down economic development

^^ true... true.... we must kill all the poor people....

^^ true... true.... we must kill all the poor people....

we are not a nation of barbarians :eek2:

^^ i guess part of the blame is the church's strong opposition against family planning and birth control.

what about a One-Child policy just like china? :D

we are not a nation of barbarians :eek2:

no were not,... se we'll be humane about it,... how about poisonous injections that will lull them to sleep :colgate:...then we can use the bodies as somekind of fuel .... :cheers:

LOL :runaway: :lol:

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cool, Cebu City has onlt 718k+ population... I hope it won't reach 1 million...

That's because majority of the population are living in the metro areas. Had mandaue, lapu-lapu, talisay et al been a part of cebu city, the population could swell to almost 2 million; and that wouldn't be good for everyone.. :)

But it would be better if the city maintains its below 1m population..

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/Mega-Manilapop1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/Mega-manilapop2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroCebu.jpg

^^

Mega Manila's population is soo big..!

just wanna ask, kung alin ba ang sn.fdo pampanga sa list??? ung #38 or #91???

Time to trim down our population... time for the "libogs" to exercise discipline, hehe..

@ishtefh, sn fernando in pampanga is #38

^^ ahhh... ok thanks!! ganun na pala kadaming tao sa min... :)

Time to trim down our population... time for the "libogs" to exercise discipline, hehe..

That is a difficult task unless the government embarks a program of mass vasectomy and tubal ligation on each one of them.

heavy population growth do tend to negate economic achievements....

it just like cooking a very delicious meal yet not enough to feed for a hundred...

Time to trim down our population... time for the "libogs" to exercise discipline, hehe..

Oo, nalilito ako. :lol:

Manila's population really is a headache.

So...
1. Manila
2. Davao
3. Cebu
4. Zamboanga
5. Antipolo
6. Cagayan de Oro
7. Bacolod
8. General Santos
9. Dasmariñas
10. Iloilo
11. San Jose del Monte
12. Bacoor
13. Iligan
14. Calamba
15. Butuan
16. Angeles
17. Tarlac
18. Mandaue
19. Baguio
20. Batangas

Nakakalito pa paghinihiwalay pa nila Metro Manila.
That's what I was thinking....it would be like splitting NYC into Brooklyn, The Bronx and Manhattan AND ranking them seperately... :)
Also, mostly people outside the Philippines regard MM as one big city.

New York City, just like London is composed of Borroughs with only one mayor. Metro Manila is composed of cities themselves each with mayors so that probably explains it. Oo nga naman, pinag hati hati pa ang Metro Manila, pwede namang iisa lang ang administration para menos gastos. :bash:

^^

Put a governor back perhaps like during the Marcos years..

^^ One mayor for Metro Manila and call it all Manila is enough and treat the 'cities' as borroughs instead.

^ I agree! Too many "cities" increase the opportunity for corruption and "pork-barrel" politics, with each mayor ruling over his patch like a Medieval fiefdom.

^^ Well, even without corruption and personality politics, just imagine paying 17 mayors!! Does that even sound economically wise to you?

No, the only people that benefit are the mayors themselves. It also leads to very uneven development within MM. On one extreme you have Makati, on the other the poorest parts of Manila proper like Tondo etc....

That's because majority of the population are living in the metro areas. Had mandaue, lapu-lapu, talisay et al been a part of cebu city, the population could swell to almost 2 million; and that wouldn't be good for everyone.. :)

But it would be better if the city maintains its below 1m population..

yah, its better below 1 million without squatters :jk:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroCebu.jpg

Add: Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Danao City.

^ I agree! Too many "cities" increase the opportunity for corruption and "pork-barrel" politics, with each mayor ruling over his patch like a Medieval fiefdom.
i agree with u. also it's better if we can get rid of vice governors and vice mayors and stop creating provinces. those small newly created provinces will be reverted back to where they originally belong. this means less salaries to be paid. right guys? (oh my wishful thinking)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroCebu.jpg

Add: Naga, San Fernando, Carcar and Danao City.


and also Toledo City and Balamban coz it was extended to the western side

^^ those towns and cities are too far :D

@slerz, i heard that a metro cebu development authority is in the works. do you have a complete list of cities and towns that will be included officially?

here's the extended metro cebu list. i don't think toledo should be included as there's a huge mountain in between metro cebu and toledo :D

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroCebu2.jpg

^ Hey Coke, let's make the entire island of Cebu one big Mega Cebu, since the island is highly urbanised anyway. :)
Therefore the Top 3 would be:
Manila: 11,289,368
Cebu: 3,356,137
Davao: 1,147,116

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/Mega-Manilapop1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/Mega-manilapop2.jpg

You should also add Calamba (281,146 ), Angeles (263,971) and maybe San Pablo (207,927). All three cities are easily within commuting distance - and Angeles will become even more accessible once the Northrail rehab is complete. :cheers:
Go Manila!!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroBacolod.jpg

You should also add Calamba (281,146 ), Angeles (263,971) and maybe San Pablo (207,927). All three cities are easily within commuting distance - and Angeles will become even more accessible once the Northrail rehab is complete. :cheers:
Go Manila!!

i've been to san pablo and calamba. they're too far! i had a girlfriend from san pablo; distance and my refusal to drive every weekend to san pablo doomed us :D

but of course, in five years, pampanga and the farthest part of laguna, cavite and bulacan will soon be annexed to mega manila.

Long-distance romance is always hard, Coke!
BTW, I from what I remember, Calamba is under 1 hours drive via the expressway, unless...the traffic situation has really deteriorated! I think Calamba is closer to MM than other cities on your list. :)

i agree with u. also it's better if we can get rid of vice governors and vice mayors and stop creating provinces. those small newly created provinces will be reverted back to where they originally belong. this means less salaries to be paid. right guys? (oh my wishful thinking)

Yup, too many vice-presidents, vice mayors etc....etc..increases the opportunity for vice :)

^^ those towns and cities are too far :D

@slerz, i heard that a metro cebu development authority is in the works. do you have a complete list of cities and towns that will be included officially?

here's the extended metro cebu list. i don't think toledo should be included as there's a huge mountain in between metro cebu and toledo :D

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroCebu2.jpg

I think mountains is not a hindrance for a place to be included in a Metro Area
but it is already connected through transcentral higway, a highway on the mountain... I've heard Gov. Gwen Garcia said on TV that Metro Cebu is exteded towards Balamban and Toledo to the west as those areas needs more focus coz of fast development. Balamban is now the 4th shipbuilder in the world...

I have no idea about metro cebu devlopment authority, I think sinjin knows it coz of the worstening traffic condition of their city of Lapu Lapu and Mandaue City, I heard that it was organized :?... malayo kase ako doon, I'm near the border of Talisay City and Cebu City kaya wala akong paki alam sa kanila doon :D

^^ i didn't know about that highway because the last time i went to toledo, we had to pass some towns south of cebu city before going up the mountain onto the west coast of cebu island.

^ Hey Coke, let's make the entire island of Cebu one big Mega Cebu, since the island is highly urbanised anyway. :)
Therefore the Top 3 would be:
Manila: 11,289,368
Cebu: 3,356,137
Davao: 1,147,116

Last week, we had our roadtrip down Cebu Province to Argao, I've compared a province in Bicol and a province in Cebu... In Bicol, I can feel the province atmosphere, malaki talaga ang pagkakaiba kesa sa ciudad pero here in Cebu, the province has still a city feeling, parang organized pa rin like a city, I can still see signs and advertisments and billboards that of a city and if it's already @ the towns capital, there's still a congestion of people and traffic, I saw big factories and modern designed business establishments...
That's what I've obseved during our last fridays roadtrip.

But I'm not infavor of that big Mega Cebu, let's preserve Cebu's last frotiers...

^^ i didn't know about that highway because the last time i went to toledo, we had to pass some towns south of cebu city before going up the mountain onto the west coast of cebu island.

cg lang, we'll take pics of transentral highway coz this friday, we'll head on to west Cebu through the transcentral higway for our next roadtrip...

Those southern towns that you've passed going to toledo looks like more urban now, the roads are widened into 4 lanes and because of it, rapid development is happening right now in these southern Metro Cebu towns...

Could somebody post towns and cities that could be included in the Metro CDO and Metro Iloilo areas? I believe the population for both metropolitan areas would be about 800,000.
I think Pulupandan and Valladolid towns should be included in Metro Bacolod as these areas complement Metro Bacolod as based on the definition of a metropolitan area. Pulupandan served as the main port for Metro Bacolod before they fully developed the reclamation area port. It still serves as a link to Guimaras Island and some of the freight traffic while the ports in Bacolod serve the Iloilo, Manila, Mindanao routes. Bacolod is like 30 minutes away from Downtown Bacolod and the road to Pulupandan is like along detour because you have to pass through Valladolid to get to the town proper even though it could be possible to build a direct link to Bago City. I am still making a map of Metro Bacolod based on satellite images I acquired. You will be surprised at the small gaps between the cities and towns though the scenery in southern Metro Bacolod looks a bit rural because the highway veers away from the more densely populated parts of the respective towns and cities.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/MetroBacolod.jpg

pero how many metropolitan areas exist in the Philippines ba? i see metro bacolod, metro iloilo, metro cdo, metro bar? lol... quite confusing, and maybe misleading.

^^ manila, cebu, iloilo, bacolod, cdo(?)

iloilo has a metro area definitely with many towns surrounding it acting as satellites.
bacolod as well with four cities and a town just a stone throw away from each other.
davao as well i think.

"A metropolitan area is a large population center consisting of a large city and its adjacent zone of influence, or of several neighboring cities or towns and adjoining areas, with one or more large cities serving as its hub or hubs.

The core cities in a polycentric metropolitan area need not be physically connected by continuous built-up development, distinguishing the concept from conurbation, which requires urban contiguity. In a metropolitan area, it is sufficient that central cities together constitute a large population nucleus with which other constituent parts have a high degree of integration."

from wikipedia.

para di libog, Metro Iloilo, Bacolod and CDO sooner or
Metro Iloilo, Bacolod and CDO in the making :D

^^ ic. which is bigger? looks like Davao city is bigger than the whole metro iloilo or metro bacolod?

A conurbation, on the other hand, is an urban area comprising a number of cities or towns which, through population growth and expansion, have physically merged to form one continuous built up area.

the whole NCR is a conurbation. and this conurbation continues with some parts of cavite, rizal, bulacan, and laguna.
Cebu-mandaue-lapulapu-cordova is a conurbation.

Bacolod-talisay-silay-bago-murcia is not a conurbation because there are still rural spots in between them.

^^plus Talisay City

and oh yes, talisay is part of the Cebu conurbation.

or I may say plus Minglanilla, Consolacion and Naga Cebu are urban :D

Metro Cagayan de Oro (the Making?)

Cagayan de Oro 461,877
Gingoog City 102,379
Balingasag 51,782
Tagoloan 46,649
Claveria 41,109
Jasaan 39,969
Opol 36,389

or I may say plus Minglanilla, Consolacion and Naga Cebu are urban :D

yes, if indeed those towns are merged continuously to cebu, then they are also a part of the Cebu Conurbation.

Butuan-Nasipit should also be a metro area.

^^

What if in the future, the entire Philippines would become one big metro area, say Metro Philippines? hehehe...

Metro Cagayan de Oro (the Making?)

Cagayan de Oro 461,877
Gingoog City 102,379
Balingasag 51,782
Tagoloan 46,649
Claveria 41,109
Jasaan 39,969
Opol 36,389


Gingoog unfortunately is too distant for it to be part of that.

Gingoog is nearer to Butuan than to Cagayan de Oro

Butuan-Nasipit should also be a metro area.

it is projected that once the Mindanao railway is completed....in which the initial phases will run through the entire length of Northwest to Northeast Mindanao.....the whole stretch of from Iligan-CDO-Gingoog-Butuan-Surigao will be one big corridor.

we Mindanaoans should pester our officials to get this project going

@boybleau---re: metro philippines, sana di mangyayari yan hehe. the philippines is too beautiful para masira lang ng urbanization.

^^ agree.... !!

^^ ic. which is bigger? looks like Davao city is bigger than the whole metro iloilo or metro bacolod?

Davao has all the lands....it doesnt need to annex towns to make it a metro...

It is indeed a Metro city within a big city teritory.

You can fuse Butuan and Cagayan de Oro and Bacolod......MALAKI pa rin ang DAVAO with still plenty of room to Spare for a size like Dumaguete..

@boybleau---re: metro philippines, sana di mangyayari yan hehe. the philippines is too beautiful para masira lang ng urbanization.

I definitely agree......urbanization has its own undersides too.

In fact right here in our own backyard Coke.....

Butuan for example...the native Butuanon language is fast becoming extinct due to heavy migrant population coming to Butuan...

In our beautiful city of Surigao......8 years ago......Surigaonon is widely spoken among the locals......now during my last trip last May.....almost nobody speaks of the tounge anymore....

The Butuanon and Surigaonon languages are one of the endangered dialects today..... victims of modernization and urbanization. :

it is projected that once the Mindanao railway is completed....in which the initial phases will run through the entire length of Northwest to Northeast Mindanao.....the whole stretch of from Iligan-CDO-Gingoog-Butuan-Surigao will be one big corridor.

we Mindanaoans should pester our officials to get this project going

sana nga tuloy-tuloy na pag-unlad ng northern mindanao. after all, it is the richest in terms of natural resources...

-largest timber
-largest gold deposits
-largest nickel deposits
-largest iron deposits
-largest chromite deposits
-one of the largest in marine resources (after gen san and davao)
-one of the most beautiful sceneries (prolly the most beautiful in mindanao)
-largest deuterium deposits

I wish to preserve the genteel side of Negros..... the hacienda system and lifestyle is a part of Negrense culture I don't mind the rapid urbanisation going on in the major cities of Bacolod, San Carlos, Kabankalan .... etc.... but I still prefer to see sites like this....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/kyle_Lark/4Pa312478.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/kyle_Lark/balicaocao.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/kyle_Lark/jan2004-photo7.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/kyle_Lark/tokaido_se.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/kyle_Lark/battlefield_from_shrine.jpg

I definitely agree......urbanization has its own undersides too.

In fact right here in our own backyard Coke.....

Butuan for example...the native Butuanon language is fast becoming extinct due to heavy migrant population coming to Butuan...

In our beautiful city of Surigao......8 years ago......Surigaonon is widely spoken among the locals......now during my last trip last May.....almost nobody speaks of the tounge anymore....

The Butuanon and Surigaonon languages are one of the endangered dialects today..... victims of modernization and urbanization. :

unbelievable! that's so sad! you mean people in surigao speak in cebuano and not in surigaonon anymore?

my surigaonon friends, are in the works of publishing a dictionary. that was suggested by me and some of my friends who founded UP Maradjao Karadjao, a university-based organization in UP Diliman. we even went to the far-flung areas to gather more words not usually used in the city.

did you speak in cebuano when you talked to the surigaonons? maybe they only answered you back in cebuano...

surigaonon is heavily spoken in surigao...especially in surigao del sur where many words are incomprehensible to me at least.

i am very fluent in surigaonon myself. and i can speak it with the right accent and intonation too :D

sana nga tuloy-tuloy na pag-unlad ng northern mindanao. after all, it is the richest in terms of natural resources...

-largest timber
-largest gold deposits
-largest nickel deposits
-largest iron deposits
-largest chromite deposits
-one of the largest in marine resources (after gen san and davao)
-one of the most beautiful sceneries (prolly the most beautiful in mindanao)
-largest deuterium deposits

speaking of deuterium......the fuel of the future......once fully tapped....it will pay off the entire utang of this country daw..they say...

kaso lang its too deep within the trenches of the Surigao coastline....and our country has no technology yet of extracting this precious mineral....

right now....the Regional Development Council of Caraga....is banking on the revival of the Nonoc Nickel Complex.....the biggest in Southeast Asia until now

^^ yeah, i did hear that Jinchuan Inc. of China invested over $1.3 billion and is fast-tracking its opening this 2009. my friend who is working for the Mindanao Business Council told me that as of now, everything's on schedule. i just hope that the bishops won't meddle!

unbelievable! that's so sad! you mean people in surigao speak in cebuano and not in surigaonon anymore?

my surigaonon friends, are in the works of publishing a dictionary. that was suggested by me and some of my friends who founded UP Maradjao Karadjao, a university-based organization in UP Diliman. we even went to the far-flung areas to gather more words not usually used in the city.

did you speak in cebuano when you talked to the surigaonons? maybe they only answered you back in cebuano...

surigaonon is heavily spoken in surigao...especially in surigao del sur where many words are incomprehensible to me at least.

i am very fluent in surigaonon myself. and i can speak it with the right accent and intonation too :D

mao gajod...waya ko istorya nila....it was our observation when we went to the market to buy the freshest catch...

the dialect....has somehow evolved...with more of the Visayan na than Surigaonon..

Kinamayo or Kamayo is the native tongue of the Surigao del sur area


inday uno :)

^^ yeah, i did hear that Jinchuan Inc. of China invested over $1.3 billion and is fast-tracking its opening this 2009. my friend who is working for the Mindanao Business Council told me that as of now, everything's on schedule. i just hope that the bishops won't meddle!

Nonoc Nickel is for Caraga...not for the bishops... :sleepy:

^^ what does the bishops have to do with it....??

@boybleau

hala haha! kabayo baja kaw nan sinurigaonon? amo ba, bagan ya ko ganahi sa jaon na balita. inday man gud mga bata kuman, bagan mas gusto nila nan cebuano kay mas "sosyal" kuno. tana dili kalimtan nan mga tawo na gana ato sinultihan. majao tana kun mahuman na dajon an taghinang nan ak mga migo kuman. dugay ra man adto karajao tagsugdan nila inday hangtod kuman ya pa man mahuman kay para mahigmata mga bata sa ila sinultihan!

mao gajod....majao mahuman dajon diksyonaryo....para mabasa nato tanan...

there is a foundation in Butuan now that seeks to preserve these dialects....it is headed by Dr. Dacudao...a neurosurgeon and a Bacoleno who has the heart for our dialects

amo instead of mao
hurot instead of tanan

:D

thanks Coke...I am not well versed of the dialect.....even the Butuanon....I am too tongue twisted to pronounce it...

but am well versed with the adventure spots there in Surigao....

your in Surigao Coke?

where in the planet are you now?

it's been a long time that i have not gone back to surigao. i'm in manila right now. my great-granddad was an american officer assigned in carrascal, surigao del sur. the Bamers used to be the "alta" family in that part of surigao together with the Hutchkisses of cantilan. our ancestral home is now the mansion of the mayor there. i just got here in the philippines when they sold it to the Plazas. my granddad, was also a naval officer but he never married a filipina. his only brother and a sister married pinoys. my grand-aunt lives in iloilo now. i have many cousins living in cebu and iloilo.

^^ manila, cebu, iloilo, bacolod, cdo(?)

iloilo has a metro area definitely with many towns surrounding it acting as satellites.
bacolod as well with four cities and a town just a stone throw away from each other.
davao as well i think.

"A metropolitan area is a large population center consisting of a large city and its adjacent zone of influence, or of several neighboring cities or towns and adjoining areas, with one or more large cities serving as its hub or hubs.

The core cities in a polycentric metropolitan area need not be physically connected by continuous built-up development, distinguishing the concept from conurbation, which requires urban contiguity. In a metropolitan area, it is sufficient that central cities together constitute a large population nucleus with which other constituent parts have a high degree of integration."

from wikipedia.

That is a very good definition Coke. Thanks for clarifying the issue. Thank you for explaining conurbation to us too. I think both would apply to Metro Bacolod. The "conurbation process" between Talisay and Bacolod is already evident with only one or two farmlands left between the two cities as shown in the following picture.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/dinho1224/AyalaNorthpointNEW.jpg
border between Bacolod and Talisay

I would also like to add that a metropolitan area should be a set of adjacent and interconnected cities and towns that function together as a metropolis.

Based on the definition above, Pulupandan and Valladolid should be included as majority of the population on both towns commute daily to work in Bacolod. Pulupandan also functions as the secondary seaport nowadays. It was the main entry point for freight before the Bacolod's Bredco port became fully developed. Bago is included since this is where some of the main industries that serves Bacolod are located. In fact the area between Bacolod and Bago is rapidly becoming built up so you could say that conurbation is also happening along this corridor. Some people might disagree because the highway to Bago City proper seems a bit rural because it veers away from Downtown Bago. Silay, Talisay and Murcia serve more as the dormitory communities for Metro Bacolod, though, soon enough Silay will be the air transport hub and Talisay will soon become one of the commercial centers for Bacolod. Murcia is the primary rest & recreation area.

One other thing I have noticed about metropolitan areas is the presence of at least one other city in its area of influence. This is true for Metro MAnila, Metro Bacolod, Metro CEbu, Metro Davao, and all the metropolitan areas in the USA as well. Thus, Iloilo would probably be the only exception because it doesn't have any adjacent cities at all. Passi City is too distant to be considered a part of Metro Iloilo.

I doubt whether Davao City could be considered a Metropolitan area because the neighboring towns and cities would be too far from DAvao because of the vast land area of DAvao City itself.

@dinho, yes, that same explanation made me doubt of Davao's "metrohood".

Bacolod-Talisay-Silay-Murcia-Bago is fast becoming one urban area. but there's no doubt of its metrohood.

yes, if indeed those towns are merged continuously to cebu, then they are also a part of the Cebu Conurbation.

yup it is continuously merged...
btw, here's a video of our roadtrip.
the 1st part which has 4 lanes is the town of Naga Cebu...
the 2nd part which has 2 lanes is the town of Argao which is not part of Metro Cebu and the 3rd part is already in Cebu City.

Naga is after the town of Mainglanilla from Cebu City.
http://www.youtube.com/?v=TTFtwzpvc2w

@slerz! that was cool! :D

i have taken the road trip to the opposite side of cebu...all the way to Bogo and then rode a boat to Bantayan :)

^^oh thanks... the town of Naga 2 years before is very different than it is now...

can you upload it... :D

That is a very good definition Coke. Thanks for clarifying the issue. Thank you for explaining conurbation to us too. I think both would apply to Metro Bacolod. The "conurbation process" between Talisay and Bacolod is already evident with only one or two farmlands left between the two cities as shown in the following picture.

I would also like to add that a metropolitan area should be a set of adjacent and interconnected cities and towns that function together as a metropolis.

Based on the definition above, Pulupandan and Valladolid should be included as a lot of the population on both town commute daily to work in Bacolod. Pulupandan also functions as the secondary seaport nowadays. It was the main entry point for freight before the Bacolod's Bredco port became fully developed. Bago is included since this is where some of the main industries that serves Bacolod are located. In fact the area between Bacolod and Bago is rapidly becoming built up so you could say that conurbation is also happening along this corridor. Some people might disagree because the highway to Bago City proper seems a bit rural because it veers away from Downtown Bago. Silay, Talisay and Murcia serve more as the dormitory communities for Metro Bacolod, though, soon enough Silay will be the air transport hub and Talisay will soon become one of the commercial centers for Bacolod. Murcia is the primary rest & recreation area.

One other thing I have noticed about metropolitan areas is the presence of at least one other city in its area of influence. This is true for Metro MAnila, Metro Bacolod, Metro CEbu, MEtro CDO, and all the metropolitan areas in the USA as well. Thus, Iloilo would probably be the only exception because it doesn't have any adjacent cities at all. Passi City is too distant to be considered a part of Metro Iloilo.

I doubt whether Davao City could be considered a Metropolitan area because the neighboring towns and cities would be too far from DAvao because of the vast land area of DAvao City itself.

that definition would be most appropriate.

whats so fuss about this metro area....?

annexing...can be construed as a sign of deficiency....

Davao does not need to be a metro because simply it is one big chunk of an urban area....and plenty of room to fit in for those some self proclaimed 'metro' cities

@dinho, yes, that same explanation made me doubt of Davao's "metrohood".

Bacolod-Talisay-Silay-Murcia-Bago is fast becoming one urban area. but there's no doubt of its metrohood.

I think that a metropolitan area should contain a major city and at least one other city in order for that area to be considered a metropolitan area. If this were the definition, some metropolitan areas in the Philippine Islands would be disqualified though. Guess which areas would that be?

Biggest Metropolitan Areas in the P.I.
1. Metro MAnila
2. Metro CEbu
3. Metro Davao
4. Metro Bacolod and CDO tied at the same rank
5. Metro Iloilo
6. Metro Olongapo - they should just make Subic another city and open it up to Filipino citizens, its kinda crazy why they have all the restrictions on ownership of properties there when it has already been surrendered by the American government.

^^ I think Davao , is big enough to stand on it's own.... besides AIM listed it under Metro category.....

the NCR, also known as Metro Manila, is one big conurbation. but the real metropolitan area extends to the other towns and cities i have posted earlier in the list. But since the conurbation is already called METRO MANILA, the real metropolitan area is called GREATER MANILA AREA or MEGA MANILA to avoid confusion :D

if we would base the list from your definition/criteria....
Olongapo,Iloilo and Cagayan de Oro would not qualify...

Olongapo....has no at least another city
Iloilo has none also... and so is CDO

would you still consider another city a part of that 'metro' .....even if its separated by several thousand hectares of forests...jungles....rivers....and barren grasslands?

that definition would be most appropriate.

whats so fuss about this metro area....?

annexing...can be construed as a sign of deficiency....

Davao does not need to be a metro because simply it is one big chunk of an urban area....and plenty of room to fit in for those some self proclaimed 'metro' cities

I had no intention to put down Davao, but it is the definition of a metropolitan area. Annexation is a different thing. That is what happened to Jaro City when it was annexed by Iloilo City. If they retained Jaro as a city, then Metro Iloilo would at least have on other city in its vicinity. One thing about Metro Iloilo though is that conurbation is not yet evident with the presence of vast tracts of farmlands between the towns and Iloilo City. The exception would probably be the PAvia-Iloilo border which is in the process of being built up.

lol^^ metro manila is differant from mega manila...

Angeles-San Fernando-some other towns also form a metropolitan area...but many consider this area as already part of the ever-expanding mega manila.

point taken..... a metropolitan area should not be separated by huge spots of rural areas... and their should be direct access and linkages as well,...

lol^^ metro manila is differant from mega manila...

kaya nga ang daming nalilito na mga banyaga eh. kasi actually the real metro manila has already outgrown its borders. Cainta for example is already conurbated to "metro manila".

that's region III coke..... NCR, Region IV-A and region III is the mega manila area....

if we would base the list from your definition/criteria....
Olongapo,Iloilo and Cagayan de Oro would not qualify...

Olongapo....has no at least another city
Iloilo has none aslo... and so is CDO

would you still consider another city a part of that 'metro' .....even if its separated by several thousand hectares of forests...jungles....rivers....and barren grasslands?

That was just my observation. Isn't Gingoog City a part of the Metropolitan CDO? I saw somebody mention that it was part of Metro CDO's area.

point taken..... a metropolitan area should not be separated by huge spots of rural areas... and their should be direct access and linkages as well,...

The core cities in a polycentric metropolitan area need not be physically connected by continuous built-up development, distinguishing the concept from conurbation, which requires urban contiguity. In a metropolitan area, it is sufficient that central cities together constitute a large population nucleus with which other constituent parts have a high degree of integration.

but if you mean HUUUUUGGEEE gaps, then that's another story. a satellite town or city should also have a function...

metro manila are group of urban centers that act together...
mega manila are group of urban area in a greater scale but is out of the jurisdiction of metro manila's authority and act autonomously... hala, libogag samot...

if we would base the list from your definition/criteria....
Olongapo,Iloilo and Cagayan de Oro would not qualify...

Olongapo....has none at least another city
Iloilo has none also... and so does CDO

would you still consider another city a part of that 'metro' .....even if its separated by several thousand hectares of forests...jungles....rivers....and barren grasslands?

That was just my observation. Isn't Gingoog City a part of the Metropolitan CDO? I saw somebody mention that it was part of Metro CDO's area.

okay I see...... does it require,. two or more cities for an area to be considered metro.. or it just the integrated income level ... since municipalities are have lower income levels and lack certain important civic structures....

that's region III coke..... NCR, Region IV-A and region III is the mega manila area....

that is also true. since these regions actually work as one entity...almost.

okay I see...... does it require,. two or more cities for an area to be considered metro.. or it just the integrated income level ... since municipalities are have lower income levels and lack certain important civic structures....

it should be at least two towns...

town-town
city-town
city-city

Coke is correct....

if the separation is big.....then its no longer part of the 'metro' area....but a coonurbation ( sounds like concubine) :)

a catchment area would then be appropriate....wadya think guys?

okay I see...... does it require,. two or more cities for an area to be considered metro.. or it just the integrated income level ... since municipalities are have lower income levels and lack certain important civic structures....

Nah, not really. It was just my observation that most major metropolitan areas in the Philippine Islands and the USA have at least on other city in its vicinity.

metro manila are group of urban centers that act together...
mega manila are group of urban area in a greater scale but is out of the jurisdiction of metro manila's authority and act autonomously... hala, libogag samot...

hahaha...that's the funny thing. when the NCR was created, there were also huge rural gaps between the cities and towns at that time. makati was still a marshland...

that is also true. since these regions actually work as one entity...almost.

well they do wok as one entity..... the Nlex and Slex connect this areas... they are grouped within a single TV station regional area GMA-7 and ABS-CBN-2.... they are served by a single electric company... meralco... and there are few spots of rural areas in between and a continous urban landscape.... :colgate:

Coke is correct....

if the separation is big.....then its no longer part of the 'metro' area....but a coonurbation ( sounds like concubine) :)

a catchment area would then be appropriate....wadya think guys?

if there's a huge gap...then it's also NOT a conurbation.

A conurbation is an urban area comprising a number of cities or towns which, through population growth and expansion, have physically merged to form one continuous built up area.

That was just my observation. Isn't Gingoog City a part of the Metropolitan CDO? I saw somebody mention that it was part of Metro CDO's area.

Gingoog is part of Misamis Oriental province where Cagayan de Oro also belongs....

but for Gods sake they are welll separated by huuuge tracts of rice lands.....rivers and mountains....

Gingoog is much nearer to Butuan than Gingoog to Cagayan de Oro (by saying this I am not stating or intending that Gingoog can be part of Butuan Metro...if there is one) :)

I will have to stick to the puritanical definition

Nah, not really. It was just my observation that most major metropolitan areas in the Philippine Islands and the USA have at least on other city in its vicinity.

.... but it's plausible,..a metro area wouldn't look good if it's entirely made up of municipalities.... think of snow white and the seven dwarfs...

-edit-

example of a conurbation:

Cebu-Mandaue: these two cities are physically merged. if you don't know where the border is, you'd never gonna know.

but Metro Cebu has series of municipalitites but stil is part of Metro Cebu ;)

i agree with boybleau...Gingoog is too far away from CDO...

Gingoog is part of Misamis Oriental province where Cagayan de Oro also belongs....

but for Gods sake they are welll separated by huuuge tracts of rice lands.....rivers and mountains....

Gingoog is much nearer to Butuan than Gingoog to Cagayan de Oro (by saying this I am not stating or intending that Gingoog can be part of Butuan Metro) :)

I will have to stick to the puritanical definition

How many minutes away is it from the two cities?

example of a conurbation:

Cebu-Mandaue: these two cities are physically merged. if you don't know where the border is, you'd never gonna know.

but Lapu Lapu is separated by water... so how will this be?

Talisay-Bacolod has that relationship...well you won't know the bacolod-bago border too,... well only because southern bacolod is less developed

but Metro Cebu has series of municipalitites but stil is part of Metro Cebu ;)

yeah, i just made a simple example of conurbation by citing two cities only :D

but of course, there are more cities and towns that form the whole Cebu conurbation plus more to form the whole Metro Cebu.

but Lapu Lapu is separated by water... so how will this be?

there's a very impressive bridge connecting it with cebu mainland :colgate:

but Lapu Lapu is separated by water... so how will this be?

they are physically merged by two beautiful bridges ;)

so Cebu-LapuLapu is also considered a conurbation.

.... but it's plausible,..a metro area wouldn't look good if it's entirely made up of municipalities.... think of snow white and the seven dwarfs...

You mean 1 city and many towns? I agree!!! Heheh... But things could change if the towns near CDO and Iloilo get upgraded into cities. But for now...

How many minutes away is it from the two cities?

Take it straight from the horses mouth. :)

Cagayan to Gingoog is almost 3 hours by bus....Gingoog to Butuan is hour and half

You mean 1 city and many towns? I agree!!! Heheh... But things could change if the towns near CDO and Iloilo get upgraded into cities. But for now...

for now..they are major population centers with a sizable immediate catchment area

no metro metro muna

Take it straight from the horses mouth. :)

Cagayan to Gingoog is almost 3 hours by bus....Gingoog to Butuan is hour and half

sus ginoo, kalayo gud... :D

layo gyud kaayo! and that's 3 hours without much traffic ha!

Misamis Oriental is a big province IMO

^^ they could add it,.... Its like three hours Alabang to Q.C

^^ they could add it,.... Its like three hours Alabang to Q.C

:rofl:

imagine a bus faster than the MRT continuously running for 3 hours...that's what boybleau means as 3-hours away ;)

^^ they could add it,.... Its like three hours Alabang to Q.C

three hours of trafficless rides along vast greens of ricelands and huge tracks of coconuts...rivers and green mountains....not to mention the nice sea along the road

.... It still the same travel time..... :colgate: ...

Talisay-Bacolod has that relationship...well you won't know the bacolod-bago border too,... well only because southern bacolod is less developed

I am almost finished with my Metro Bacolod map showing the built up areas. You will see that the Bacolod - Bago and Bacolod - Murcia border is almost continously built-up too, though the built up area is a bit narrow at some portions. Most of Bago is hidden from the highway because the highway veers away from the city proper.

^^ that would be great dinho! please post it also in this thread :)

^^ no dearie Araneta Street leads up to Bago City Proper..... the curve to the left is Rafael salas drive..... which leads to kabankalan...I think...

.... It still the same travel time..... :colgate: ...

its the physical geographical distance thing that we are referring to and not time :)

^^ I know... just kidding around.... :colgate:

^^ no dearie Araneta Street leads up to Bago City Proper..... the curve to the left is Rafael salas drive..... which leads to kabankalan...I think...

yes it does but some urban parts of bago are actually hidden from araneta st. it's like this:

bacolod=red
green=fields hiding bago
black=araneta
blue=bago

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/jafhoy2/Bacolod.jpg

hmmm....connected by a road....

does any city's main road eventually lead to another citys main road .?

^^ no dearie Araneta Street leads up to Bago City Proper..... the curve to the left is Rafael salas drive..... which leads to kabankalan...I think...

Negros Occidental would probably have 3 metropolitan areas with at least one other city in its vicinity in the next decade or so. This would be the Kabankalan-Himamaylan Cities, Sagay-Escalante-Cadiz area and of course Metro Bacolod. Kabankalan-Himamaylan would probably take a while because there is at least one other town between them. Cadiz-Sagay-Escalante will need to have a new coastal road to directly connect the 3 cities so that growth could be spurred between these cities. As of the moment, going from Cadiz to Sagay is like making one big U-Turn and the same would go for Escalante. The 3 cities are located away from the highway which I think is what is hindering the growth of this areas. The San Carlos corridor would be an interesting area though because of it good infrastructure and strategic location.

I would only like to see these areas become fully developed so that the land value and business activity at this cities would rise and that the people would have a better standard of living. I agree with Coke that we should also retain the countryside because they are essential to our toursim thrust and for self sustainability.

hmmm....connected by a road....

does any city's main road eventually lead to another citys main road .?

Yup, as is the case with Bacolod-Talisay-Silay. I think they have different names though for each segment of the road.

the NCR, also known as Metro Manila, is one big conurbation. but the real metropolitan area extends to the other towns and cities i have posted earlier in the list. But since the conurbation is already called METRO MANILA, the real metropolitan area is called GREATER MANILA AREA or MEGA MANILA to avoid confusion :D

I think Mega Manila would be a better term than Greater Manila. An agglomerated area like Iloilo city and its environs could be called Greater Iloilo (City) but a Megapolis would be more appropriately called Mega-_________. It still sounds a bit offish though... So I think METRO MAnila still applies for the entire area and GREATER Iloilo would apply for a big urban agglomeration without other fully functioning communities in its vicinity. Again, that is just my opinion.

"but Lapu Lapu is separated by water... so how will this be?"

Ever since Lapu Lapu has been quite a maverick. He likes to stand out. Poor Magellan.

^^

During the Marcos years, it was actually prophesied that Mega Manila would extend up to the eastern coast..


When plans for the creation of a Metro Cebu Development Authority was brought up in Congress, some of the local leaders and visionaries suggested that it be changed to Cebu Development Authority instead since time might come that the entire island itself would become an urban area. It was some sort of a long range planning. The body would be responsible for the development of the island's sanitary landfills, watersheds, etc. in light of the growing population and expanding urbanization.

Right now, the Governor is in the process of establishing two sanitary landfills (one in Danao City up north, and Carcar Town down south) to service mostly the metro areas that belong to the province, and the rest of the province itself as well. This is on top of the sanitary landfill in Cebu City.

I also remembered 10 years ago, going to the suburbs was like a trip to the rural areas, now it's urbanized and starting to take shape as "another" city.

^^

During the Marcos years, it was actually prophesied that Mega Manila would extend up to the eastern coast..


When plans for the creation of a Metro Cebu Development Authority was brought up in Congress, some of the local leaders and visionaries suggested that it be changed to Cebu Development Authority instead since time might come that the entire island itself would become an urban area. It was some sort of a long range planning. The body would be responsible for the development of the island's sanitary landfills, watersheds, etc. in light of the growing population and expanding urbanization.

Right now, the Governor is in the process of establishing two sanitary landfills (one in Danao City up north, and Carcar Town down south) to service mostly the metro areas that belong to the province, and the rest of the province itself as well. This is on top of the sanitary landfill in Cebu City.

I also remembered 10 years ago, going to the suburbs was like a trip to the rural areas, now it's urbanized and starting to take shape as "another" city.
It'll be a very sad thing when that happens. We should always leave some open areas for the health and enjoyment of the people and the sustainability of the overall area.

I had no intention to put down Davao, but it is the definition of a metropolitan area. Annexation is a different thing. That is what happened to Jaro City when it was annexed by Iloilo City. If they retained Jaro as a city, then Metro Iloilo would at least have on other city in its vicinity. One thing about Metro Iloilo though is that conurbation is not yet evident with the presence of vast tracts of farmlands between the towns and Iloilo City. The exception would probably be the PAvia-Iloilo border which is in the process of being built up.

I guess we missed out the Island City of Samal.. So I guess that qualifies Davao as a metro area.

Also, there was a plan before to divide Davao into two cities -- North and South. I don't know if this will push through.

It'll be a very sad thing when that happens. We should always leave some open areas for the health and enjoyment of the people and the sustainability of the overall area.

Yeah and it's time for the government to make a serious population control program.

and I don't want Argao and other southern beautiful towns of Cebu to be engulfed by urbanization... those towns in the north and southern part of Cebu are its last frontier and its jewels tsk tsk tsk

What really is the purpose of having a metropolitan area with a metropolitan body?

Here's the answer. I got this from a newspaper article.

1.) It will coordinate plans and actions of local government units in dealing with common problems such as traffic management, solid waste management, peace and order and infrastructure needs.


2.) The local governments may agree to pool funds, real estate, equipment and personnel to work together on “purposes commonly beneficial to them” as provided under Section 33 of the Local Government Code.

3.) Basic services can be delivered efficiently if there is a permanent body that will oversee the various needs of the Metro and its residents.

4.) There are services that require areas larger than a local jurisdiction for cost-effective provisioning like water supply, garbage disposal and solid waste management. The same is true for services like public health and basic education whose benefits and costs accrue to non-residents of a local jurisdiction.

Take it straight from the horses mouth. :)

Cagayan to Gingoog is almost 3 hours by bus....Gingoog to Butuan is hour and half

davao city to the other end of davao city (BUDA)... two hours or more.

I guess we missed out the Island City of Samal.. So I guess that qualifies Davao as a metro area.

also panabo city in the north. vast area of land here are agricultural & forest reserves.

Last week, we had our roadtrip down Cebu Province to Argao, I've compared a province in Bicol and a province in Cebu... In Bicol, I can feel the province atmosphere, malaki talaga ang pagkakaiba kesa sa ciudad pero here in Cebu, the province has still a city feeling, parang organized pa rin like a city, I can still see signs and advertisments and billboards that of a city and if it's already @ the towns capital, there's still a congestion of people and traffic, I saw big factories and modern designed business establishments...
That's what I've obseved during our last fridays roadtrip.

But I'm not infavor of that big Mega Cebu, let's preserve Cebu's last frotiers...

Hi Slerz!
Just out of curiosity, which part of Bicol did you visit? I think the most "rural" parts are in Sorsogon, Catanduanes and Masbate, also remote parts of Camarines Sur. On the other hand, the areas around the National Highway between Naga and Legazpi are already quite urbanized.

I guess we missed out the Island City of Samal.. So I guess that qualifies Davao as a metro area.

Also, there was a plan before to divide Davao into two cities -- North and South. I don't know if this will push through.

I don't see a bridge between Davao and this island. Islands that are part of a metropolitan area should at least be linked by a bridge.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/dinho1224/davaoUPLOAD.jpg
Satellite photo

Hi Slerz!
Just out of curiosity, which part of Bicol did you visit? I think the most "rural" parts are in Sorsogon, Catanduanes and Masbate, also remote parts of Camarines Sur. On the other hand, the areas around the National Highway between Naga and Legazpi are already quite urbanized.

Masbate, Sorsogon, Albay, Camarines Norte, Camarines Sur... ;)

there are parts that is quite urbanized but large part is still rural...

if we would base the list from your definition/criteria....
Olongapo,Iloilo and Cagayan de Oro would not qualify...

Olongapo....has no at least another city
Iloilo has none also... and so is CDO

would you still consider another city a part of that 'metro' .....even if its separated by several thousand hectares of forests...jungles....rivers....and barren grasslands?


Yup CDO would not qualify...
but if tagoloan becomes a city (maybe 8-10 yrs from now? :) ) and the Iligan-CDO corridor (the populated strip of towns between those cities) industrial development would be fully materialized, then CDO may be qualified..

there's not much people in samal anyway hehe, not classifying Davao as metropolitan is kinda nitpicking.

HOW TO DEFINE A METROPOLITAN AREA
(US Definitions)


Defining Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas

The 2000 standards provide that each CBSA must contain at least one urban area of 10,000 or more population. Each metropolitan statistical area must have at least one urbanized area of 50,000 or more inhabitants. Each micropolitan statistical area must have at least one urban cluster of at least 10,000 but less than 50,000 population.

Under the standards, the county (or counties) in which at least 50 percent of the population resides within urban areas of 10,000 or more population, or that contain at least 5,000 people residing within a single urban area of 10,000 or more population, is identified as a "central county" (counties). Additional "outlying counties" are included in the CBSA if they meet specified requirements of commuting to or from the central counties. Counties or equivalent entities form the geographic "building blocks" for metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas throughout the United States and Puerto Rico.

If specified criteria are met, a metropolitan statistical area containing a single core with a population of 2.5 million or more may be subdivided to form smaller groupings of counties referred to as "metropolitan divisions."


Principal Cities and Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Area Titles


The largest city in each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area is designated a "principal city." Additional cities qualify if specified requirements are met concerning population size and employment. The title of each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area consists of the names of up to three of its principal cities and the name of each state into which the metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area extends. Titles of metropolitan divisions also typically are based on principal city names but in certain cases consist of county names.

is there some kind of rule or law that outlines when and how a certain area can be classified as 'metro'? like, do you have to apply for it or something? similar to a town vying for cityhood? are there 'official procedures to be followed' and are there 'official proclamations' or announcements that an area is indeed now categorized as Metro (city name) ?

^^

I'm not so sure, but in Cebu's case, the governor requested the Regional Development Council (RDC) to expand Metro Cebu's definitions. The approval came from them too.

The Regional Development Council (Central Visayas Region) is composed of the governors of Cebu, Bohol, Negros Oriental, Siquijor, and some members coming from the private (usually business) sector.

pero how many metropolitan areas exist in the Philippines ba? i see metro bacolod, metro iloilo, metro cdo, metro bar? lol... quite confusing, and maybe misleading.
officially there are 3, MM,MC, and MD... CDO, Iloilo, and Bacolod are still in Mid-size category.

CDO, Tagoloan, and Opol can be a metropolitan area.. and i guess it's badly needed.. To hasten the traffic.

^^

As I've posted before, having a metropolitan area can hasten the delivery of basic services unlike the mentality of some politicians that want smaller provinces to be divided further.

These LGUs, grouped together, can decide for whatever is beneficial to them such as the setting up of a common sanitary landfill, development of a common water resouce, and a lot more..!

To all forumers, please post aerial pictures of your respective metropolitan areas (Manila, Davao, Bacolod, etc..) complete with boundaries, etc.. This is becoming educational na kasi...


Here's an aerial of Metro Cebu:

(scale is not accurate)

Orange - Metropolitan boundary
Red - Urban areas
Blue - Protected watershed
Green - Central National Park (forest reserve)
Gray - Sanitary Landfill (under construction)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/skyscrapercity/cebu.gif

metro davao in circle...

http://www.imagebulk.com/images/junaxbaby/metrodavao.png

to those who have no knowledge about how big davao city (not metro davao) is...
davao city in terms of land area is 3 times bigger than the whole metro manila and 7.8 times bigger than cebu city. as of today, 85% of its total land area is classified as timberland, forest and agricultural. this is reflective of the fact that agriculture is still the largest economic sector. big plantations that produce banana, pineapple, coffee, and coconut eat up a large chunk of the total land area. built-up areas used for residential, institutional, commercial, and industrial purposes or simply the urban area, represent about 15% of the total land area. but this 15% of urban area still means nearly half of metro manila! (or simple metro manila area minus caloocan, quezon, marikina, navotas, malabon and valenzuela area) and still bigger by about 4% than cebu city. considering that only 20% of cebu city area is urban: Cebu City 29,124.78 has. Urban Area: 5,598.53 has. Rural Area: 23,526.25 has. Reference (http://www.cebucity.gov.ph/general_info/geography.html).

metro davao (davao city, panabo city, garden city of samal), tagum city and digos city will join in the next few years.

HOW TO DEFINE A METROPOLITAN AREA
(US Definitions)


Defining Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas

The 2000 standards provide that each CBSA must contain at least one urban area of 10,000 or more population. Each micropolitan statistical area must have at least one urban cluster of at least Each metropolitan statistical area must have at least one urbanized area of 50,000 or more inhabitants.10,000 but less than 50,000 population.

Under the standards, the county (or counties) in which at least 50 percent of the population resides within urban areas of 10,000 or more population, or that contain at least 5,000 people residing within a single urban area of 10,000 or more population, is identified as a "central county" (counties). Additional "outlying counties" are included in the CBSA if they meet specified requirements of commuting to or from the central counties. Counties or equivalent entities form the geographic "building blocks" for metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas throughout the United States and Puerto Rico.

If specified criteria are met, a metropolitan statistical area containing a single core with a population of 2.5 million or more may be subdivided to form smaller groupings of counties referred to as "metropolitan divisions."


Principal Cities and Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Area Titles


The largest city in each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area is designated a "principal city." Additional cities qualify if specified requirements are met concerning population size and employment. The title of each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area consists of the names of up to three of its principal cities and the name of each state into which the metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area extends. Titles of metropolitan divisions also typically are based on principal city names but in certain cases consist of county names.

Each metropolitan statistical area must have at least one urbanized area of 50,000 or more inhabitants. The largest city in each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area is designated a "principal city."[/B] Additional cities qualify if specified requirements are met concerning population size and employment. The title of each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area consists of the names of up to three of its principal cities and the name of each state into which the metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area extends.

This is a rather complicated definition and would not apply to the Philippine Islands - wished it would if only the Americans had not left us... heheh... Anyway, I think that the folllowing definition would be clearer and applicable to us.

"A metropolitan area is a large population center consisting of a large city and its adjacent zone of influence, or of several neighboring cities or towns and adjoining areas, with one or more large cities serving as its hub or hubs.

The core cities in a polycentric metropolitan area need not be physically connected by continuous built-up development, distinguishing the concept from conurbation, which requires urban contiguity. In a metropolitan area, it is sufficient that central cities together constitute a large population nucleus with which other constituent parts have a high degree of integration."
-from wikipedia.

I would like to add that a metropolitan area should at least have one major city and one other city for it to be considered a metropolitan area and the surrounding towns. As I have observed that all metropolitan areas in the world have at least 1 other city in its area or vicinity. A metropolitan area does not need to be declared as such, but having a metropolitan authority would be essential to better coordinate the development, traffic management and waste management for the whola area.

officially there are 3, MM,MC, and MD... CDO, Iloilo, and Bacolod are still in Mid-size category.

Sorry FrancisXavier but I disagree because Davao City is to far from its neighboring cities and towns to be considered a metropolitan area - unless the city proper is located along one of the borders located next to another city or town. As for the cities of Bacolod, CDO, and Iloilo, I would say that by definition, they are already metropolitan areas because of the integration of several towns - and in Bacolod's case, cities - within its sphere of influence. If a metropolitan area is defined as a principal city and ajacent cities and towns, I guess only Metro Manila, Metro Cebu, and Metro Bacolod would be qualified to be considered as such.

metro davao in circle...

http://www.imagebulk.com/images/junaxbaby/metrodavao.png

to those who have no knowledge about how big davao city (not metro davao) is...
davao city in terms of land area is 3 times bigger than the whole metro manila and 7.8 times bigger than cebu city. as of today, 85% of its total land area is classified as timberland, forest and agricultural. this is reflective of the fact that agriculture is still the largest economic sector. big plantations that produce banana, pineapple, coffee, and coconut eat up a large chunk of the total land area. built-up areas used for residential, institutional, commercial, and industrial purposes or simply the urban area, represent about 15% of the total land area. but this 15% of urban area still means nearly half of metro manila! (or simple metro manila area minus caloocan, quezon, marikina, navotas, malabon and valenzuela area) and still bigger by about 4% than cebu city. considering that only 20% of cebu city area is urban: Cebu City 29,124.78 has. Urban Area: 5,598.53 has. Rural Area: 23,526.25 has. Reference (http://www.cebucity.gov.ph/general_info/geography.html).

metro davao (davao city, panabo city, garden city of samal), tagum city and digos city will join in the next few years.


Question is, how far are the centers of the neighboring towns and cities to Davao City proper. While a metropolitan area need not have a continuous built-up area, the built up areas should nevertheless be at least 30 minutes away from each other. As for Samal Island, I don't see a bridge linking it to Davao City. Cities should be directly linked by a network of roads and bridges to be considered a part of a metropolitan area. And size or land area was never considered in the definition of a land area.

Things could change though if they build a bridge and maybe split Davao City into at least two cities. This would be good in the sense that it'll provide more government and private sector jobs. One large Davao City only gives Davao residents some bragging rights to having the biggest city in the country but dividing it into smaller more manageable cities would be better for the so called "Metro Davao's" economy on the long run.

kailangan ng mag-move ng ibang tao sa palawan

kailangan ng mag-move ng ibang tao sa palawan

Maganda sana kung papuntahin mo yung mga squatter families sa Basilan, Sulu at Tawi Tawi para hindi na magulo sa Manila. :devil: Sama. :lol:

"Maganda sana kung papuntahin mo yung mga squatter families sa Basilan, Sulu at Tawi Tawi para hindi na magulo sa Manila."

This may be a joke but I think this is unwarranted. That's why our Muslim brothers are always suspicious of the Christians.

Maganda sana kung papuntahin mo yung mga squatter families sa Basilan, Sulu at Tawi Tawi para hindi na magulo sa Manila. :devil: Sama. :lol:

Could we stick with English please! Not everybody here understands the so called "Filipino" language!

hhmmm...

again, by using your definition....Butuan and its immediate environs could well qualify as one functional Butuan Metropolitan unit...

since our port happens to be in Nasipit a semi-urban port town ..35 kms away to the west....and the new local government offices in Cabadbaran, an urbanized municipality 50 km to the east....

and Butuan's potable water comes from substantial portion of RTR 20 kms to the east...

and the municipality of las Nieves....which was long annexed to Butuan as one congresional district....

so its going to be like this:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1243/4295337/9035609/128704956.jpg
the brown lines are the boundaries of this metropolitan area as based from your definition. As can be seen, most RURBAN towns are clustered around the Butuan natural geographical perimeters.

from an enlarged view:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1243/4295337/9035609/128704730.jpg

there's really no need to legislate a metro area for it to become official. sa pilipinas lang naman yan. for as long as a certain area fits the definition, then it is a metro area.

thanks for that map boybleau. Surigao City-San Francisco may become a metropolitan area very soon. Brgys. Mabua, Lipata and Ipil of Surigao City are conurbated already with San Francisco town proper. Mabua-Lipata-Ipil, will soon be conurbated with Surigao City proper as the coastal road from San Juan to Lipata has already been finished. Brgy. Sabang, which is between San Juan and Lipata, will be the site of an Industrial Estate zone and the Surigao Marina and Yacht Club. Lipata is also becoming developed as it is the site of "high-end" residential subdivisions like Ocean Ridge (where the P100-million Barbers mansion is located) and Alta Vista.

for now only Sabang is the rural gap between the Taft-Washington-San Juan urban area and the Lipata-Mabua-Ipil-San Francisco town suburban area.

i just hope and pray that Nonoc will really open in 2009! that would really be exciting. Surigao City became a city because of Nonoc. Before Nonoc opened in the 1960's(?), Surigao was only a 30,000-people town. then, it grew to 75,000 five years after Nonoc opened. it was really a miracle that surigao didn't become a ghost town after Nonoc closed in 1986. Most businesses including ALL cinemas closed! the economy of Surigao crashed!

Coke

the Japs have a bigger way of classifying......they are using PREFECTURES
most noted is the Tokyo-Hokkaido Prefecture

if ma mayor ka dinha Surigao and ako dire sa Butuan.....form ta Butuan-Surigao Prefecture.... :cheers:

boybleau haha that would be great!

historically..both areas have been considered as one fundamental unit...

before the Spaniards came....the land from the Pacific coastline towards the Bukidnon plateaus...are named Butuan Kingdom daw....

by the time the Spanish came....the place was under Encomienda de Surigao / Curigao....

then just before the Spanish left.....the two Agusans were the subprovinces of Surigao under the the District of Caraga...

until during Marcos times when the 2 Agusans and 2 Surigaos became parts of Region 10 and 11.....

then again as one unit CARAGA Administrative Region.....the only administrative region built through legislation....and not by a Presidential Decree...

hhmmm...

again, by using your definition....Butuan and its immediate environs could well qualify as one functional Butuan Metropolitan unit...

since our port happens to be in Nasipit a semi-urban port town ..35 kms away to the west....and the new local government offices in Cabadbaran, an urbanized municipality 50 km to the east....

and Butuan's potable water comes from substantial portion of RTR 20 kms to the east...

and the municipality of las Nieves....which was long annexed to Butuan as one congresional district....

so its going to be like this:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1243/4295337/9035609/128704956.jpg
the brown lines are the boundaries of this metropolitan area as based from your definition. As can be seen, most RURBAN towns are clustered around the Butuan natural geographical perimeters.

from an enlarged view:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1243/4295337/9035609/128704730.jpg


Could you provide us with a map of the built-up areas in Butuan City and its environs?

Could you provide us with a map of the built-up areas in Butuan City and its environs?

I will look...if there is an official one

Here's Surigao City's:

The Urban and Sub-urban zones are actually Built-up and yellow spots are the built-up area of the rural barangays.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/jafhoy/genlanduse.jpg

The urban barangays are Taft, Washington, San Juan, Luna and Canlanipa and the sub-urban barangays are Cagniog, Sabang, Lipata, Mabua, Punta Bilar and Ipil. Ipil sits right next to San Franciso town proper.

I will look...if there is an official one

You don't have to look for an official one. Take a look at Google Earth. Look for Butuan City and then map out the built up areas. Simple as that. Could be a lot of work though. I am working on Metro Bacolod right now and its taken over a week already and I'm not yet finished with it.

Question is, how far are the centers of the neighboring towns and cities to Davao City proper. While a metropolitan area need not have a continuous built-up area, the built up areas should nevertheless be at least 30 minutes away from each other. As for Samal Island, I don't see a bridge linking it to Davao City. Cities should be directly linked by a network of roads and bridges to be considered a part of a metropolitan area. And size or land area was never considered in the definition of a land area.

Things could change though if they build a bridge and maybe split Davao City into at least two cities. This would be good in the sense that it'll provide more government and private sector jobs. One large Davao City only gives Davao residents some bragging rights to having the biggest city in the country but dividing it into smaller more manageable cities would be better for the so called "Metro Davao's" economy on the long run.

davao international airport to panabo city downtown is 20 minutes away, while Island garden city of samal is just 10 minutes away from any ports. is there a rule disqualifying a city w/ no bridge to be part of a metropolitan?

divide davao city? i think the government here is trying to divide the country, federalism that is. divide singapore first.

davao international airport to panabo city downtown is 20 minutes away, while Island garden city of samal is just 10 minutes away from any ports. is there a rule disqualifying a city w/ no bridge to be part of a metropolitan?

I think that it should be linked with a road network at the very least. Even Sydney and Venice have a network of bridges to connect the islands to the main city.

divide davao city? i think the government here is trying to divide the country, federalism that is. divide singapore first.

No problem with that. I think the federal system works better anyway. It'll isolate Manila's corruption and greed from the rest of the country. If the PI had been under a federal system, I think the development of the country would have been more evenly distributed. Right now, everything goes to power hungry Metro Manila.

^^ at dinho, that's very true! and i think if a northern mindanao state would be created, it can definitely stand on its own.

No problem with that. I think the federal system works better anyway. It'll isolate Manila's corruption and greed from the rest of the country. If the PI had been under a federal system, I think the development of the country would have been more evenly distributed. Right now, everything goes to power hungry Metro Manila.

amen to that :)

Would have been much better if the US had absorbed the Philippine Islands as one its states... Wishful thinking! My American friends say that it didn't happen because if it did... Filipinos would make up the second biggest ethnic group in the US and that would mean that a Filipino would have probably become the president of the United States by now. Imagine what would have happened if that were the case. The US would most probably not be the superpower that it is today with the corruption, greed and endless bickering that is the trademark of our politicians. Thank goodness it didn't happen. We still have a chance to immigrate if we want through different means.

But the possibilities are that Manila, would be the biggest city along with NY and LA and Metro CEbu would be at par with the Dallas-Fort Worth Metropolitan area. Metro Bacolod, CDO, Davao, and Iloilo would be in the league of cities such as San FRancisco, Grand Rapids, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Austin, and Reno...

^^ oh, manila is too damn congested anyway.....

..... if the Phils became a part of the united states..... the sugar industry wouldn't have had collapsed....

the plan should have been >>>>

The Philippines should have become a US state...and then, when it's rich enough, it would then try to separate just like what Texas is doing :D

but the truth is, i'm ashamed of filipinos who would want their country to become a part of the US.

... or we could have remained a commonwealth republic.... Rizal was right though,.. we weren't ready...

well, at that time, the Nationalistas were powerful. so the plan to have the Philippines annexed as a US state was trashed.

^^ oh man... lost opportunity... but I would prefer if we were automnous....

^^ oh man... lost opportunity... but I would prefer if we were automnous....

The US' federal sytem does allow for some autonomy. The reason why you still need to take licensure exams when you transfer to another state. Some states do not allow specific car models to be sold because they do not meet their own emissions standards. But who'd want to have these awful Filipino politicians to lead our "state" anyway?

^^ america can monitor it's politicians better.... NSA, CIA blah blah blah....

nyak... # 10 kme... :) dami nang tao pala samin

most probably kung naging US state man ang pinas noon... naghalo-halo na ang mga pinoy... wala ka na makikitang pure pinoy... kaya u dont have to worry about the so-so corruption ng mga pinoy.

^^ I think the phils will be divided into five states.....

the state of northern Luzon
the state of manila
the state of Visayas
the state of Mindanao....
the state of southern Luzon

the phils can't be one state... with 85 million people...... that's nearly half of the entire US population!!!!!

the phils can't be one state... with 85 million people...... that's nearly half of the entire US population!!!!!

I think the USA as it is now has over 250 million people.

Any idea how much the population of NY and LA metropolitan area is currently? I think Chicago's metropolitan area is 2 million. SFrisco's is about 1 million. Metro Bacolod would probably have a lot more people now because you wouldn't need to seek greener pastures. So I think Metro Bacolod, CDO, and Iloilo will be at par with SFrisco, GRand Rapids and Austin. Metro MAnila could easily be the biggest metropolis.

its not about quantity...its the quality of life that counts.

our cities may be densely populated...but deligent research on the records.....show more and more Pinoys have not extricated hemselves from poverty...

its not about quantity...its the quality of life that counts.

our cities may be densely populated...but deligent research on the records.....show more and more Pinoys have not extricated hemselves from poverty...

That's right. But what I mean is that our cities would have been bigger and more porductive because of the progressive policies of the American government. Sure they have poor areas like New Orleans and the Mississippi area but those people are still better off than our poor.

hmmm....policies....it still boils down to their deligent implementation...

its not about being Filipino or American.....its an issue of being honest, and sincere of doing whats best for this country..

^^

like what some Asians have done to their great cities.. :rock:

^^

like what some Asians have done to their great cities.. :rock:

I don't think that there is such a thing as a great Asian city. Asia's cities are either too crowded, too restrictive, too smelly, or too chaotic to be considered as such. The only nice thing about Asia's cities are that they are exotic. Each one different in its own way. But I'd rather live in a clean, unpolluted, and an uncongested city than an exotic city with many possibilities of getting sick due to overcrowding and poor sanitary management.

metro davao in circle...

http://www.imagebulk.com/images/junaxbaby/metrodavao.png

to those who have no knowledge about how big davao city (not metro davao) is...
davao city in terms of land area is 3 times bigger than the whole metro manila and 7.8 times bigger than cebu city. as of today, 85% of its total land area is classified as timberland, forest and agricultural. this is reflective of the fact that agriculture is still the largest economic sector. big plantations that produce banana, pineapple, coffee, and coconut eat up a large chunk of the total land area. built-up areas used for residential, institutional, commercial, and industrial purposes or simply the urban area, represent about 15% of the total land area. but this 15% of urban area still means nearly half of metro manila! (or simple metro manila area minus caloocan, quezon, marikina, navotas, malabon and valenzuela area) and still bigger by about 4% than cebu city. considering that only 20% of cebu city area is urban: Cebu City 29,124.78 has. Urban Area: 5,598.53 has. Rural Area: 23,526.25 has. Reference (http://www.cebucity.gov.ph/general_info/geography.html).

metro davao (davao city, panabo city, garden city of samal), tagum city and digos city will join in the next few years.


that if we talk of Cebu City alone...

but if we talk of the whole metropolitan urban area... urban area within metro Cebu is far bigger than urban area within metro Davao...

You seemed to be dreaming of living in Pleasantville.

I don't think that there is such a thing as a great Asian city. Asia's cities are either too crowded, too restrictive, too smelly, or too chaotic to be considered as such. The only nice thing about Asia's cities are that they are exotic. Each one different in its own way. But I'd rather live in a clean, unpolluted, and an uncongested city than an exotic city with many possibilities of getting sick due to overcrowding and poor sanitary management.

You seemed to be dreaming of living in Pleasantville.

Metro Bacolod is a pleasant place after all. CDO seems to be a pleasant place too. It is also a bit to our disadvantage because tourists often find Bacolod a bit bland because it reminds them of their own cities and suburbs. That is why they created Masskara festival so as to add an exotic appeal to Bacolod. But I agree that Metro Bacolod is a very, very pleasant place to live in. After all, Bacolod has been acknowledged as the most livable atmosphere.

from what I read about the creation of Masskara Festival.....it was said that it was created to enliven the spirit of the Negrense during the downfall of the sugar industry 15 years ago

Metro Bacolod is a pleasant place after all. CDO seems to be a pleasant place too. It is also a bit to our disadvantage because tourists often find Bacolod a bit bland because it reminds them of their own cities and suburbs. That is why they created Masskara festival so as to add an exotic appeal to Bacolod. But I agree that Metro Bacolod is a very, very pleasant place to live in. After all, Bacolod has been acknowledged as the most livable atmosphere.

wooo, kinda new to me... "most livable atmosphere" is Bacolod - from what magazine issue?
"most livable city" is Davao - Time magazine

wooo, kinda new to me... "most livable atmosphere" is Bacolod - from what magazine issue?
"most livable city" is Davao - Time magazine

I think it was AIM that stated that after studying the cities in the country. I am not very sure. Wouldn't be surprised if Davao is a pleasant city too. Too bad Davao often gets bombed by the extremists.

I am sure that the place where Daks is from is not a livable place because he is not even capable of comprehending that some cities in the Philippine Islands is livable. I've lived in Daks' hometown for half a decade and I ended up getting asthma when I had none before and we could not even blame it on genes because nobody else in our family and relatives has it. It sure is an exotic place with all the chaos and overcrowding. I even learned how to drive well there because of the bad traffic situation-for that I am thankful to your place Daks. I'd say Metro Cebu's traffic is a lot better than Daks' hometown.

[QUOTE=Dinho]I think it was AIM that stated that after studying the cities in the country. I am not very sure. Wouldn't be surprised if Davao is a pleasant city too. Too bad Davao often gets bombed by the extremists.

Really? I though that until the airport bombing, Davao was actually relatively safe compared to other Mindanao cities?

^^

It's the defunct AsiaWeek slerz

Nah, let's not make this another city vs city thread.. Let's continue talking about metropolitan areas.

from what I read about the creation of Masskara Festival.....it was said that it was created to enliven the spirit of the Negrense during the downfall of the sugar industry 15 years ago

Well, yes you are right. But part of the reason is because Metro Bacolod was desperate to draw in tourists. Bacolod is one of the newer cities in the P.I. It is a little over 50 years old. As such, it does not have much to speak of in terms of history.

Nah, let's not make this another city vs city thread.. Let's continue talking about metropolitan areas.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start that. I do find CDO a nice place. I just haven't seen much of Davao City. What I've earlier said is just based on facts. And I was mistaken about Metro Davao. Just couldn't imagine Davao with its vast land area to be close to any other city or town. But I agree that any place with verdant fields and lots of trees is a pleasant place.

^^

It's the defunct AsiaWeek slerz

but it's ok for me if Cebu isn't the most livable... I'm tired of everything about whosssssse the better and the best, I just wanna focus more on my attention to Cebu, satisfied man sad ko kaayo of what is happening here in cebu ba... :D

Could we stick with English please! Not everybody here understands the so called "Filipino" language!
ooh. this dude could've said this in a much nicer way. :nono:

Maybe you are adopted. :sleepy:

I think it was AIM that stated that after studying the cities in the country. I am not very sure. Wouldn't be surprised if Davao is a pleasant city too. Too bad Davao often gets bombed by the extremists.

I am sure that the place where Daks is from is not a livable place because he is not even capable of comprehending that some cities in the Philippine Islands is livable. I've lived in Daks' hometown for half a decade and I ended up getting asthma when I had none before and we could not even blame it on genes because nobody else in our family and relatives has it. It sure is an exotic place with all the chaos and overcrowding. I even learned how to drive well there because of the bad traffic situation-for that I am thankful to your place Daks. I'd say Metro Cebu's traffic is a lot better than Daks' hometown.

but it's ok for me if Cebu isn't the most livable... I'm tired of everything about whosssssse the better and the best, I just wanna focus more on my attention to Cebu, satisfied man sad ko kaayo of what is happening here in cebu ba... :D

I agree to that Slerz....its too tiring to hear these stuffs as whosssssee better and best.....

This forum aims to bring to the fore....the issues that we can share and offer....in the light of objectivism....may be opinionated but rooted on hard factual bases......

it should never be an avenue for senseless and baseless plain and typhoonic self emulating braggadocios

I think it was AIM that stated that after studying the cities in the country. I am not very sure. Wouldn't be surprised if Davao is a pleasant city too. Too bad Davao often gets bombed by the extremists.

I am sure that the place where Daks is from is not a livable place because he is not even capable of comprehending that some cities in the Philippine Islands is livable. I've lived in Daks' hometown for half a decade and I ended up getting asthma when I had none before and we could not even blame it on genes because nobody else in our family and relatives has it. It sure is an exotic place with all the chaos and overcrowding. I even learned how to drive well there because of the bad traffic situation-for that I am thankful to your place Daks. I'd say Metro Cebu's traffic is a lot better than Daks' hometown.

that's the problem with us filipinos, we conclude almost everytime on something we have little idea of. i even wondered why you considered cities cdo and iloilo metropolitan and you're not into metro davao w/c consist of 3 cities. i don't know much about iloilo, i maybe wrong, but i know cdo's neighboring cities are almost 2 hours away and built up areas of cdo are gone after puerto area and iligan city is also a snore in the bus away. anyways for the city as big as davao, it don't need to be called a metro just to make a statement coz its districts alone are enough to be called cities in philippine standards (toril, calinan, bangkal-matina-maa area, agdao area, lanang area and of course the downtown area)

about the bombing? in metro manila, if you just scan police reports you will find grenade explosions, killings, murders everywhere and everyday but it is not an issue. but when a bomb exploded in davao, a terrorist attack on philippines not only in davao, it was a big issue? huh. and then it is not livable anymore? how about newyork? davao city may not be the most livable city in phil. but, with the only true 911 (see Video) (http://www.davaocity911.org/video.php) in the philippines and the formation of task force davao alongside w/ the local police, i can not imagine how other cities fare if you will conclude that davao city is not peaceful. maybe you just have to see it for yourself.

if you are in other city and it happen that you have a noisy drunken neighbor, your car broke, there's a fire, you had a heart attack, you just need assistance of whatsoever but legal, whom do you call? in davao, just dial 911
DAVAO 911 WEBSITE (http://www.davaocity911.org/main.php) in any form of communication, be it landline, cellphone or radio and police, medical teams, firemen and even the army will come to your rescue free of charge and anywhere within davao city. at night you can turn off the headlight of your car and cruise to anywhere within city limits, no problem coz streetlights are everywhere. if you need a cab anywhere, just dial a number for taxi service and taxis will come to you free of charge (the meter will start after you're in it of course). if you like green... trees, flowers and even forests, mountains, beaches, ocean its within eyesight. i can talk and talk but it wont make it most livable but at least i can prove that it's not a war torn area. sigh, i wonder why only metro manila and cebu are known outside the philippines, lack of information. its not helping the country.

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that's the problem with us filipinos, we conclude almost everytime on something we have little idea of. i even wondered why you considered cities cdo and iloilo metropolitan and you're not into metro davao w/c consist of 3 cities. i don't know much about iloilo, i maybe wrong, but i know cdo's neighboring cities are almost 2 hours away and built up areas of cdo are gone after puerto area and iligan city is also a snore in the bus away. anyways for the city as big as davao, it don't need to be called a metro just to make a statement coz its districts alone are enough to be called cities in philippine standards (toril, calinan, bangkal-matina-maa area, agdao area, lanang area and of course the downtown area)

about the bombing? in metro manila, if you just scan police reports you will find grenade explosions, killings, murders everywhere and everyday but it is not issue. but when a bomb expoded in davao, a terrorist attack on philippines not only in davao, it was a big issue? huh. and then it is not livable anymore? davao city may not be the most livable city in phil. but, with the only true 911 in the philippines and the formation of task force davao alongside w/ the local police, i can not imagine how other cities fare if you will conclude that davao city is not peaceful. maybe you just have to see it for yourself.

if you are in other city and it happen that you have a noisy drunken neighbor, your car broke, there's a fire, you had a heart attack, you just need assistance of whatsoever but legal, whom do you call? in davao, just dial 911 in any form of communication, be it landline, cellphone or radio and police, medical teams, firemen and even the army will come to your rescue free of charge and anywhere within davao city. at night you can turn off the headlight of your car and cruise to anywhere within city limits, no problem coz streetlights are everywhere. if you need a cab anywhere, just dial a number for taxi service and taxis will come to you free of charge (the meter will start after you're in it of course). if you like green... trees, flowers and even forests, mountains, beaches, ocean its within eyesight. i can talk and talk but it wont make it most livable but at least i can prove that it's not a war torn area. sigh, i wonder why only metro manila and cebu are known outside the philippines, lack of information. its not helping the country.


I must agree to that....Davao has even the most stringent policies in public order...like the smoking ban...and the firecracker ban.....it has an efficient police force...despite its big area.

its really not good to make assumptions on things that we have little knowledge of....as they say little knowledge is dangerous...

during the age of exploration after the Renaissance.....the Romans always think they are the center of the world until...European explorers reached China and found out that....China's civilization is as advanced and even much developed in some respects as compared to theirs.

I must say this again...

This forum aims to bring to the fore....the issues that we can share and offer....in the light of objectivism....may be opinionated but rooted on hard factual bases......

it should never be an avenue for senseless and baseless plain and typhoonic self emulating braggadocios :)

Bullseye! You hit the jackpot pare :) hehehe

I agree to that Slerz....its too tiring to hear these stuffs as whosssssee better and best.....

This forum aims to bring to the fore....the issues that we can share and offer....in the light of objectivism....may be opinionated but rooted on hard factual bases......

it should never be an avenue for senseless and baseless plain and typhoonic self emulating braggadocios

^^

agreed. lets continue talking about metropolitan areas, its purposes and the benefit it brings to its people...

in addition to that, lets not abuse the term METRO. this is not a "connect-the-dots" game. ;)

that's the problem with us filipinos, we conclude almost everytime on something we have little idea of. i even wondered why you considered cities cdo and iloilo metropolitan and you're not into metro davao w/c consist of 3 cities. i don't know much about iloilo, i maybe wrong, but i know cdo's neighboring cities are almost 2 hours away and built up areas of cdo are gone after puerto area and iligan city is also a snore in the bus away. anyways for the city as big as davao, it don't need to be called a metro just to make a statement coz its districts alone are enough to be called cities in philippine standards (toril, calinan, bangkal-matina-maa area, agdao area, lanang area and of course the downtown area)

about the bombing? in metro manila, if you just scan police reports you will find grenade explosions, killings, murders everywhere and everyday but it is not an issue. but when a bomb exploded in davao, a terrorist attack on philippines not only in davao, it was a big issue? huh. and then it is not livable anymore? how about newyork? davao city may not be the most livable city in phil. but, with the only true 911 (see Video) (http://www.davaocity911.org/video.php) in the philippines and the formation of task force davao alongside w/ the local police, i can not imagine how other cities fare if you will conclude that davao city is not peaceful. maybe you just have to see it for yourself.

very well said Junax. i appreciate your views and opinion! i feel sad about those who misjudge Davao City. the city is part of the Philippines, we shouldn't think like it's full of extremists and all. there are more violent activities goin' on outside Davao or even Mindanao as a whole.

...... anyways for the city as big as davao, it don't need to be called a metro just to make a statement coz its districts alone are enough to be called cities in philippine standards (toril, calinan, bangkal-matina-maa area, agdao area, lanang area and of course the downtown area)


true. youve got point there. davao is an interconnecting districts. i prefer the present scenario... only ONE person is in command than too many mayors doing.... wala lang... puro pulitika.

sana nga tuloy-tuloy na pag-unlad ng northern mindanao. after all, it is the richest in terms of natural resources...

-largest timber
-largest gold deposits
-largest nickel deposits
-largest iron deposits
-largest chromite deposits
-one of the largest in marine resources (after gen san and davao)
-one of the most beautiful sceneries (prolly the most beautiful in mindanao)
-largest deuterium deposits


really now? thats kinda vague, where do u get ur sources?
trying hard to be all knowing but always fail painfully....

really now? thats kinda vague, where do u get ur sources?
trying hard to be all knowing but always fail painfully....


LOL...it's no damn secret...everybody knows about it (except some idiots like you perhaps)...if you have gone to northern mindanao...you should be able to find signs like...

WELCOME TO CLAVER
SITE OF THE LARGEST IRON DEPOSITS IN THE WORLD!

WELCOME TO NONOC
SITE OF THE LARGEST NICKEL DEPOSITS IN ASIA!

and so on...

and so forth!

in Claver, for example, the whole mountain range of Noventa is made of iron...that's how big it is...

and i'm not trying to be all-knowing...these are just little facts that i know of...

Coke.....ang Puso mo Coke !

Lets cool down...here have a Coke. :cheers:

^^ gi-tugna pa akong puso boybleau :D lami'g parisan ug bbq :D

asa mana gikan si gt_bi?.....ni tunga ra man kalit.... :runaway:

na panghipi siguro na dire...wala lang ka antos sa iya gibati mao nangaway kalit.....

kaila ko kung kinsa na nga bayota! :D

sagdi na lang na....na pikon lang na siya

they say....ang pikon.....talo

more like ang pikon...talo-talo :lol:

hahay, here we go again...

got to go muna...palit pa ko tiket for manila

ayo-ayo bai

~~~~~

uy si Arnoldsa... :)

that's the problem with us filipinos, we conclude almost everytime on something we have little idea of. i even wondered why you considered cities cdo and iloilo metropolitan and you're not into metro davao w/c consist of 3 cities. i don't know much about iloilo, i maybe wrong, but i know cdo's neighboring cities are almost 2 hours away and built up areas of cdo are gone after puerto area and iligan city is also a snore in the bus away. anyways for the city as big as davao, it don't need to be called a metro just to make a statement coz its districts alone are enough to be called cities in philippine standards (toril, calinan, bangkal-matina-maa area, agdao area, lanang area and of course the downtown area)

about the bombing? in metro manila, if you just scan police reports you will find grenade explosions, killings, murders everywhere and everyday but it is not an issue. but when a bomb exploded in davao, a terrorist attack on philippines not only in davao, it was a big issue? huh. and then it is not livable anymore? how about newyork? davao city may not be the most livable city in phil. but, with the only true 911 (see Video) in the philippines and the formation of task force davao alongside w/ the local police, i can not imagine how other cities fare if you will conclude that davao city is not peaceful. maybe you just have to see it for yourself.

if you are in other city and it happen that you have a noisy drunken neighbor, your car broke, there's a fire, you had a heart attack, you just need assistance of whatsoever but legal, whom do you call? in davao, just dial 911
DAVAO 911 WEBSITE in any form of communication, be it landline, cellphone or radio and police, medical teams, firemen and even the army will come to your rescue free of charge and anywhere within davao city. at night you can turn off the headlight of your car and cruise to anywhere within city limits, no problem coz streetlights are everywhere. if you need a cab anywhere, just dial a number for taxi service and taxis will come to you free of charge (the meter will start after you're in it of course). if you like green... trees, flowers and even forests, mountains, beaches, ocean its within eyesight. i can talk and talk but it wont make it most livable but at least i can prove that it's not a war torn area. sigh, i wonder why only metro manila and cebu are known outside the philippines, lack of information. its not helping the country.


I am impressed with what Davao City has achieved. We, in Metro Bacolod, still wish our city government could achieve what yours have. About the metropolitan status, It just seemed that Davao City's neighboring urban areas are just too far away. I haven't been to Davao, but I had been to Puerto Princesa City, which is the 2nd largest city in the PI after Davao City, and the travel time form city proper to the border alone is over one hour. My assessment was based on that. Now that you have stated the facts and I have verified it on Google Earth, I now believe that a Metropolitan area does exist for Davao City, although, built up areas of Davao and Panabo are over 5 kilometers away. I had posted a sat image of Metro Davao a few days ago. Could you go over it and point out which is Sta. Cruz town and Digos city. Panabo City was too far to be included in that satellite image. Is the Grand Regal Hotel owned by the Gaisano group? Bacolod City also has a Grand Regal hotel owned by the Gaisano's (it is not beautiful though as it was just hurriedly finished).

Distance between built up areas of Silay-Talisay-Bacolod-Murcia-Bago-Pulupandan-Valladolid in Metro Bacolod are about 2.5 kilometers or less only. Bacolod and Bago are first class cities, Silay is a 2nd class city, Talisay is a 5th class city. The total length of MEtro Bacolod along the coast is about 36.9 kilometers. It is about the same length as MEtro DAvao. Metro Bacolod is narrower at most parts and doesn't have skyscrapers yet. Tallest building is only 9 storeys. Biggest hotel is only 116 rooms. There are some beautiful inland resort - hotels in Talisay City, Bago City and Murcia.

By defiinition, both CDO and Iloilo does qualify because the other towns complement the main city even if most are merely "dormitory communities". But if we add a a qualification that there should be at least one other city, than those two cities would not qualify. But note that it was only my opinion that there should be at least one other city aside from the principal city in a metropolitan area.

Metro Dumaguete, which, covers 10 cities and towns is probably the smallest metropolitan area. The built up area is very narrow as it merely follows the highway on both sides of the city. It has a population of 400,000++. Dumaguete, one of the least known cities in the country would probably have the most number of universities in such a small city. It has four universities including Silliman University, which is the PI's oldest university outside Manila and the first protestant Christian university in the country. Iloilo has the other one known as the Central Philippine University.

http://www.philippinebusiness.com.ph/archives/magazine/vol11-2004/11-6/geographics.htm

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Hi,

Is there some official criteria for what gets to be called a "Metro something"? The usual criteria are extent of continuous urbanization or strong commuter links. Based on satellite images alone, I think Manila, Cebu, Davao, and Bacolod are the only ones that are continuously built-up enough to be called metro areas at present. But that's just my opinion based on incomplete information.

Hi,

Is there some official criteria for what gets to be called a "Metro something"? The usual criteria are extent of continuous urbanization or strong commuter links. Based on satellite images alone, I think Manila, Cebu, Davao, and Bacolod are the only ones that are continuously built-up enough to be called metro areas at present. But that's just my opinion based on incomplete information.

There is. You can base it on the definition given or quoted earlier by Coke, me, and alot of other people.

Grand Regal is owned by a branch of the Gaisano Family.

People from Tagum in the north and Digos in the south commute all the way to work in Davao. Both are about an hour a way with the traffic, though both are actually capital cities in their own right (their the biggest cities of their province , Davao del Norte and Davao del Sur respectively) but in the end it all used to be one province anyway.

Grand Regal is owned by a branch of the Gaisano Family.

People from Tagum in the north and Digos in the south commute all the way to work in Davao. Both are about an hour a way with the traffic, though both are actually capital cities in their own right (their the biggest cities of their province , Davao del Norte and Davao del Sur respectively) but in the end it all used to be one province anyway.

So there are three Davao provinces? Is Davao City a province in itself then? I know Panabo City, which is right next to Davao City belongs to Davao del Norte.

Grand Regal is owned by a branch of the Gaisano Family.

People from Tagum in the north and Digos in the south commute all the way to work in Davao. Both are about an hour a way with the traffic, though both are actually capital cities in their own right (their the biggest cities of their province , Davao del Norte and Davao del Sur respectively) but in the end it all used to be one province anyway.

Wow @Bustero! I was amazed at this post. Actually amazed at how well you knew the locality. Are you from there?

Anyway, let me cut to the chase. Guys, I really need your help. I have a number of properties in Digos which I am trying to dispose of. These are located along the National Highway to Cotabato and the others in the center of town, Digos. Any help extended would be really appreciated.

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Any latest on FIES?

Area Average Income (FIES 2000)
PHILIPPINES 123,168

NCR - 300,304
Manila - 256,152
Quezon City - 393,082
Caloocan City - 231,876
San Juan - 359,702
Makati City - 534,058
Paranaque City - 354,639
Pasay City - 245,897
Marikina City - 234,820
Pasig City - 317,105
Mandaluyong City - 275,361
Muntinlupa City - 238,038
Malabon - 208,391
Navotas - 156,526
Las Pinas - 384,341
Valenzuela - 210,850
Taguig/Pateros - 230,719

CAR - 139,613
Abra - 111,185
Benguet - 184,425
Ifugao - 85,245
Kalinga - 111,790
Apayao - 92,907
Mt. Province - 98,369

Region I
Ilocos Norte 140,565
Ilocos Sur 119,462
La Union 123,379
Pangasinan 115,952

Region II 108,427
Batanes 153,415
Cagayan 96,386
Isabela 113,405
Nueva Vizcaya 126,295
Quirino 93,683

Region III 151,449
Bataan 183,976
Bulacan 179,572
Nueva Ecija 121,995
Pampanga 160,827
Tarlac 113,087
Zambales 146,214

Region IV 161,963
Aurora 110,544
Batangas 149,838
Cavite 196,401
Laguna 189,173
Marinduque 84,842
Occidental Mindoro 100,607
Oriental Mindoro 105,971
Palawan 106,737
Quezon 107,922
Rizal 246,286
Romblon 73,396

Region V 89,227
Albay 110,057
Camarines Norte 94,960
Camarines Sur 102,349
Catanduanes 105,645
Masbate 61,611
Sorsogon 87,434

Region VI - 109,600
Aklan - 99,568
Antique - 94,917
Capiz - 99,313
Iloilo - 144,675
Iloilo City - 283,604
Guimaras - 101,125
Negros Occidental - 92,065
Bacolod City - 177,501

Region VII - 99,531
Bohol - 77,291
Cebu - 110,367
Negros Oriental - 90,459
Siquijor - 79,119
Cebu City - 189,366

Region VIII 91,520
Eastern Samar - 71,527
Leyte - 106,567
Biliran - 76,838
Northern Samar - 80,114
Samar (Western) - 78,409
Southern Leyte - 85,623

Region IX 86,135
Basilan 67,497
Zamboanga del Norte 87,107
Zamboanga del Sur 88,701

Region X 110,333
Bukidnon 106,375
Camiguin 87,442
Misamis Occidental 80,829
Misamis Oriental 128,547
Cagayan de Oro - 176,552


Region XI 112,254
Davao (del Norte) 86,499
Davao del Sur 126,530
Davao Oriental 94,328
South Cotabato 140,100
Sarangani 73,294
Davao City - 155,937
General Santos City - 116,492
Tagum City - 132,937

Region XII 90,778
ARMM 79,590
Caraga 81,519

Here...they have ajoined the word "Metro" to city of Iligan as part name of their project...


Saturday, February 11, 2006
DBM releases close to P400M in Lanao Norte
By Richel V. Umel

TUBOD, Lanao del Norte -- Budget Secretary Romulo L. Neri released the Special Allotment Release Order (Saro) for the infrastructure component of Metro Iligan Regional Infrastructure Development Project (MIRIDP) in Lanao del Norte.

Provincial Governor Imelda Quibranza-Dimaporo told Sun.Star the release of budget was upon the approval of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. It is intended to fast track the completion of the ongoing road concreting from Barangay Fatima, Tagoloan to Balo-I, Balo-i to Pantao Ragat, and from Barangay Delabayan, Kauswagan to Munai, one of the major source of agricultural products and high value crops.

An ocular survey showed the Hanjin Heavy Industries Limited has already concreted two lanes in the 3.6-kilometer road stretch while the Kiazar bridge construction in Barangay Kiazar in Tagoloan is underway.

"The said project is duly funded by Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) under the 2nd Yen Loan fund for three years," Dimaporo added.

Governor Dimaporo said the MIRIDP is a component of the 77.8 hectares Metro Iligan Regional Agri-Industrial Center (MIRAIC) in Linamon town, the proposed industrial site of the province.

The provincial executive expressed confidence that investors will eventually pour investments here to improve socio-economic condition of the 22 municipalities and promote tourism industry in the province.

Businessmen and traders are enjoying the benefits and convenience in traveling and transporting products from Zamboanga City to other parts of Mindanao via the newly completed concrete national highway in Lanao del Norte.

Bong Alburo, Hanjin project coordinator, said before the middle of this year, the traders can fully bring their goods to Maguindanao province, Cotabato City, General Santos, Davao City by land trip (vice versa) as soon as the concreting of the remaining estimated five of the 25-kilometer coastal road funded by Kuwaiti funds. It will stretch from Tukuran, Zamboanga del Sur to Barangay Dableston, Sultan Naga Dimaporo, Lanao del Norte and would provide less travel time and transport expense.

With the recent visit of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in Pagadian City, the President expressed confidence that lasting peace can be attained in Mindanao following positive results of the peace agreement between the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and the government.

"The country is heading towards better economy as Malacanang is initiating economic reforms," President Arroyo said

^^
dami'ng pera ng mga taga MM.. hehehe

So there are three Davao provinces? Is Davao City a province in itself then? I know Panabo City, which is right next to Davao City belongs to Davao del Norte.

I think Davao City is an independent LGU. The other cities I know are Ormoc and Cebu City.

caraga indeed is very poor compared to other parts of the country...but cost of living is also as much as half compared to NCR's.

Blue Marlin and Tangigue for example is only P80/kilo compared to around P200/kilo in Manila.

caraga indeed is very poor compared to other parts of the country...but cost of living is also as much as half compared to NCR's.

Blue Marlin and Tangigue for example is only P80/kilo compared to around P200/kilo in Manila.

You are right about that Coke. And add to that the fact that if you trace up those cities and provinces that had a higher average income level, you will find out that it is only boosted artificially because a high percentage of the population is workingin other countries. It does not necessarily mean that the area is self sufficient on its own. I also found out that one city in particular ahd a higher average income level than the rest of the country but it also had a lot more poor people who couldn't even afford decent housing compared to two other cities that had supposedly a lower average income level. I won't mention the city names so as not to offend anyone but I can support the figures.