Everyone are welcome to discuss about public transportation including light rail, busway, metro bus, commuter train, subway, maglev, monorail, skytrain and everything that you want for propose in LA. Post bunch of pictures and discuss about projects, existing public transportation.

Do you predict that LA must improving the public transportation? Explain yourself. Using opinion.

Do you believe that gas for car will be change elements to improving the air? Explain yourself about air clean gas for cars in LA in future.

Do you thinks that LA need add-on or expand some freeway to make merge, loop or new freeway toward to Inland Empire?

Thanks

*This thread is just gift to klamedia and other LA forumers that intrested about improving the public transportation.

Please post any news about public transportation in LA.

[QUOTE=VansTripp]Everyone are welcome to discuss about public transportation including light rail, busway, metro bus, commuter train, subway, maglev, monorail, skytrain and everything that you want for propose in LA. Post bunch of pictures and discuss about projects, existing public transportation.

Do you predict that LA must improving the public transportation? Explain yourself. Using opinion.

answer: Obviously, more choices would be good!!!!

Do you believe that gas for car will be change elements to improving the air? Explain yourself about air clean gas for cars in LA in future.

answer: No, we will we all drive Hybrid!!!

Do you thinks that LA need add-on or expand some freeway to make merge, loop or new freeway toward to Inland Empire?

answer: Hell yea more freeways foe LA only. Who cares about Inland Empire!!!!!

Thanks

*This thread is just gift to klamedia and other LA forumers that intrested about improving the public transportation.

Answer: Why is this a gift for (K)????

[QUOTE=VansTripp]Everyone are welcome to discuss about public transportation including light rail, busway, metro bus, commuter train, subway, maglev, monorail, skytrain and everything that you want for propose in LA. Post bunch of pictures and discuss about projects, existing public transportation.

Do you predict that LA must improving the public transportation? Explain yourself. Using opinion.

answer: Obviously, more choices would be good!!!!

Do you believe that gas for car will be change elements to improving the air? Explain yourself about air clean gas for cars in LA in future.

answer: No, we will we all drive Hybrid!!!

Do you thinks that LA need add-on or expand some freeway to make merge, loop or new freeway toward to Inland Empire?

answer: Hell yea more freeways foe LA only. Who cares about Inland Empire!!!!!

Thanks

*This thread is just gift to klamedia and other LA forumers that intrested about improving the public transportation.

Answer: Why is this a gift for (K)????

He love to talk about public transportation. :)

I think once the red line down wilshire is finished they should build a line down
western Ave.

I think once the red line down wilshire is finished they should build a line down
western Ave.

Let's just hope the line down Wilshire, does happen. I really hate this waiting game and no clear answer about the Red Line!!!!

[QUOTE=Ferneynism]

He love to talk about public transportation. :)

Are you serious?

ya, it probably won't be done for a few years at least

[QUOTE=VansTripp]

Are you serious?

YAY!!!

Honestly, LA's public transpo system is improving but need a bit more of improvement. I would like to see an improvement on it's metro system. Like extending the Red Line to Sta. Monica.

This thread is just gift to klamedia

Ahh Vans, I'm all choked up. :hug: I take back my "Brokeback Mountain" comment. Thanx for your sincerity.
Maybe I've been talking about transit too much, probably. But besides densification and other things like air quality, I think it is one of the essentials if any of us are going to want to continue living here, contently.

I think it is improving for the following reasons:
1. We now have a system that we can build upon. Look at the success of the Orange Line, which is a feeder for the subway.
2. Traffic is a serious quality of life issue. People are moving back to downtown, Hollywood, Long Beach because they don't want to spend their time on the freeway.
3. Besides carpool lanes, interchange improvements, I don't forsee any freeway expansion. Look at how the 710 expansion was shot down
4. Expo will finally give a connection to the Westside, meaning all parts of LA city, county are at least somewhat near a rail line
5. Our mayor is pro-public transit
6. City planning is increasingly focused on TOD's around rail lines.

Major challenges of course are
1. Lack of funding- I was very disappointed to see Schwarzenegger overlooking mass transit in his bond measure, very shortsighted. I do sincerely hope that Villaraigosa will ask for bond money for the Wilshire subway, Expo, Gold line extension.

Great thread!

This thread is just gift to klamedia

Ahh Vans, I'm all choked up. :hug: I take back my "Brokeback Mountain" comment. Thanx for your sincerity.
Maybe I've been talking about transit too much, probably. But besides densification and other things like air quality, I think it is one of the essentials if any of us are going to want to continue living here, contently.

"Kiss and make up, how lovely" :fart:

Gridlock restarts talks on L.A. subway extension
Martin Kasindorf
9 February 2006
USA Today

LOS ANGELES -- This motorized city is reviving a decades-old vision of building a subway to the sea.

Traffic congestion has become so intolerable that Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is making headway against long odds to extend the Metro Red Line subway under Wilshire Boulevard, the flagship street that runs 15 miles from downtown west to the Pacific. The $5 billion project would take at least 15 years.

Villaraigosa is prodding other elected officials to make the subway real. U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., now says he will lift his 20-year-old ban on using federal money for a Wilshire subway. Congress imposed the ban at Waxman's urging after an underground explosion in 1985 that injured 24 people revealed dangerous methane gas in the tunnel's path.

Waxman says he ended his opposition because a special panel concluded in November that new technology could make the subway safe. "My sole concern was over the safety issue," Waxman says. "Experts told us there was a chance of a fireball" if drilling ignited pockets of methane.

The mayor is also lobbying Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Legislature and the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority to come up with local money to match federal funds to build the subway.

Roads more traveled

Villaraigosa believes that "a Wilshire subway all the way to the ocean will be one of the highest-traveled transit systems in the entire country," says Deputy Mayor Jaime de la Vega.

"If it costs $5 billion, we have to find that $5 billion," says City Councilman Bill Rosendahl. "The people all along Wilshire Boulevard are frustrated. We're in gridlock and a sense of paralysis for half the day."

L.A.'s booming west side has 1.5 million residents, 1 million jobs, many long-distance commuters and no rapid transit. Every weekday, 500,000 cars and 100,000 bus passengers inch between traffic lights on Wilshire Boulevard.

The MTA has added buses, but "you're actually creating traffic jams by having wall-to-wall buses," spokesman Marc Littman says.

Los Angeles, the nation's second-most populous city, has had the nation's worst traffic for 18 straight years, according to Texas Transportation Institute studies. The average commuter here wastes 93 hours a year in gridlock, the institute says.

About 10 million local commuters travel by car. The subway and light-rail system has 250,000 daily riders, and 1.2 million people commute by bus, the MTA says.

It may be surprising to some outside of Los Angeles that this city has a subway and three light-rail lines. The 17-mile, $4.7 billion subway was completed in 2000 after 14 years of construction. The Red Line has 118,000 weekday riders. New York City subways, by comparison, carry 4.5 million riders.

In 1980, voters approved a half-cent sales tax to build a rail system that was to include a line along Wilshire. "If there's anywhere in Los Angeles where you could justify a mass transit facility, it's in that corridor," says Genevieve Giuliano, director of the Metrans Transportation Center of the University of Southern California and California State University-Long Beach.

The subway that was built ignores that east-west corridor because of local politics, money shortages and the 1985 methane explosion near Wilshire Boulevard. The subway veers off Wilshire not far from downtown, to head north for Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley.

Villaraigosa chairs the 13-member MTA board and appoints three members. The mayor needs three more supporters on the board for a majority to approve making the Wilshire subway a top priority so it would qualify for federal funding.

Until Villaraigosa took office last July, the MTA had all but given up on a Wilshire subway. The transportation agency has been focused on breaking ground later this year on the first 9-mile phase of the light-rail Exposition Line. It's a cheaper-to-build alternative that will run from downtown to the west side, far south of Wilshire, in less populous neighborhoods.

A look at costs

The MTA says subway construction is expensive -- more than $300 million a mile. The agency "can't do it on local dollars alone," Waxman says. "They need federal help."

The first, 3-mile phase would cost nearly $1 billion, the MTA says. Reaching the ocean would mean two more phases, 9 more miles and more billions. De la Vega estimates that surfers could be riding the subway to the waves by 2021.

Los Angeles would be competing for federal funds against 150 cities with rail projects already in engineering, design or planning stages, the Federal Transit Administration says.

"We'll have to marshal our forces in Washington," says Zev Yaroslavsky, a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, referring to the California members of Congress. "It won't be easy. That doesn't mean it can't be done."

The MTA still faces local obstacles. Yaroslavsky, who is also on the MTA board, spearheaded a 1998 ballot measure to cut off using county sales-tax money for building the subway. Voters approved the measure because of concerns about cost overruns and a giant sinkhole on Hollywood Boulevard caused in 1995 by tunnel construction. The next 20 years of money from the sales tax has been earmarked for other transit projects.

A 2004 state law would allow the MTA to ask county voters for a half-cent sales tax to pay for the first 3 miles of the Wilshire subway. The measure would need a two-thirds majority to pass, which is "pretty impossible," Yaroslavsky says.

That leaves the state government in Sacramento as a source of matching funds. Schwarzenegger proposed last month that the state borrow a record $68 billion to build highways, bridges, levees, prisons and courts -- but not a dime was marked for mass transit.

Villaraigosa, a former state Assembly speaker, has been pressing to include the Wilshire subway in the state funding proposal.

Despite the barriers facing a subway to the sea, "the odds are better than they've been at any other time in 20 years," says William Fulton, an urban planner at USC. Yaroslavsky says Waxman's reversal on federal money means the subway is "not hypothetical, now that it's not illegal. Now we can have a practical discussion about it."

Back to 70's and 80's, San Fernando Valley have alot of medium-high density apartment/condo boom that built and NIMBYer had used to be complained about this project, protested isn't work so former NIMBYers had went moved out in around 70's and 80's, not alot in 90's, alot of them was went to low density suburb in Inland Empire, Phoenix, Las Vegas and even upper of LA County like Lancaster, Palmade and Santa Clarita. SFV had loss about half of white population due massive white flight in SFV in around 70's until 90's then it replaced into more and more diverse, some neighborhood in SFV are completely genfried.

It won't happen to West LA at most time but red line extansion to sea are pretty great, most of them will agree with this projects. Did any of you paid too much taxes? need rising more sale tax that up to 10% and federal funding will probably paid off at half or more than that. I want red line to sea so bad but I'm getting tired of sit in car due bad traffic or give alot of time to take shortcut instead of ride on LA freeway. West LA should be fine with red line but we doubt that would bring crimes, it already bring some crime to West LA by metro bus and car so nothing to be wrong.

How about from Time Square to Harlem? Crime is means NOTHING.

How about from Time Square to Harlem? Crime is means NOTHING.

When not using South Central on one side of the country we have to use Harlem as an example of a bastion amoral, thieving and lawless people on the other. "Vans" you really know how to start a fight.

How about from Time Square to Harlem? Crime is means NOTHING.

When not using South Central on one side of the country we have to use Harlem as an example of a bastion amoral, thieving and lawless people on the other. "Vans" you really know how to start a fight.

What??? :dunno:

You just nothing to know about between blue and red line, crime is just nothing to influence it. You don't read my story so carefully. Time Square to Harlem or South Bronx are just seems decent, nothing be wrong.