An article in todays AFR shows a render of three apartment towers, the third rising to 30 stories, for the redevelopment above the Chatswood rail and bus interchange between Albert Ave and Help St.
I can't believe you guys missed it !!
They are very 'curvy' and look high quality.
The developers, "The Parramatta Rail Link Company" (LOL ) have reserved the right to develop them as commercial towers if the market swings back that way.
I am very time poor right now so don't have a chance to scan or digi cam them onto the forum.....

Excellent ! - to the fantastic news


Bugger ! - to not being able to see the render yet


I may have to go downstairs to the newsagent in the morning & take a gander

I am similarly time-poor right now, but I am procrastinating from doing my Property Accounting and Management homework so...well...that's my excuse for scanning the pic in! ;)

http://www.arch.usyd.edu.au/~afindlay/railtowers.jpg

Cool proposal, but Chatswood is becoming just like Sydney CBD - they can add a 30 storey tower, and it will hardly be noticed on the skyline! ;)

In regard to the development in general, it sounds as if it will be a HUGE improvement to Chatswood's centre! It will properly link the western side of the rail line (where most of the office towers are) with the eastern side (where all the big shopping centres are), and totally rebuild the current bus-rail interchange, which is quite a mess! :)

Clever of them to build above the rail line. It will truly connect both sides of Chatswood. Who said that Chatswood was running out of space. At least the airspace provides some potential.

I also hope that one if not all the towers are commercial. Chatswood is in need of more office towers.

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there three apartment towers!

Now that is great news. The train and bus interchange is very very bad at Chatswood. It needs an upgrade and I am glad they are getting more apartment towers rather tehn office towers. There is enough office spcae in and around Chatswood.

Pitty this type of development can't, won't, hasn't occured in Melbourne!

It would be great if these are to be commercial towers. No doubt the new railway is starting to have an effect on the areas it will service.

Just when we thought mighty Chatswood was already "full". They just keep coming up with surprises.

Any news how well the sales are going at Mirvac's Development in Chatswood???:? :?

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I was hoping that the towers ended up as commercial. That's what I mean't.

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>Clever of them to build above the rail line. It will truly connect both sides of Chatswood. Who said that Chatswood was running out of space. At least the airspace provides some potential.

I also hope that one if not all the towers are commercial. Chatswood is in need of more office towers.</td></tr>
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I was hoping that the towers ended up as commercial. That's what I mean't.</td></tr>
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everything these days is residential!!! residential rules!!!
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I think its fantastic that so many residential towers are being built! Just the fact that a certain percentage of people obviously want to live in high density housing means that our skylines don't stop growing, even in less prosperous economic times!

The office market waxes and wanes, but as long as Australia is growing population-wise, more residential towers will be built! :D

this isnt part of the 96m tower approved at chatswood is it?

Thanks for the pic finn.

Is it only me or do these buildings look Seidler-inspired?

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...that was my immediate reaction!

looking good Chatswood.

send yer planners down to South Yarra please! :D

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Well, they're actually just supposed to be suggestive of the type of design that would be suitable for that location. Essentially just block models as conceived by Chris Johnson - the NSW government architect.

EXCLUSIVE pics of the proposal in model form. It's on public display in the arcade at Chatswood Station. I also asked the man in charge for some details as well. It looks quite nice and is a nice proposal for the site.

View from the west - apologies for the reflected glass

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/pcfc817e8347ea88d990efea383ba210c/f95eb485.jpg

View from the South East

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/p9e2b21841b047bff329aeb559c5d3037/f95eb45b.jpg

The thrity storey tower at the northern end

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/pf2bcfa46c20c4fceb57b1f9890e1a488/f95eb404.jpg

The twenty storey tower will be in the middle

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/p5e4e0aaada086baaf8f0bb15e3a76d3d/f95eb3e2.jpg

The ten storey tower will be at the southern end

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/pfc1cfba7d1ea07f611d87b819446b431/f95eb3c7.jpg

New retail complex

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid107/p791494038489ecabd022190305fb69b8/f95eb426.jpg

The first tower will be 30 storeys tall, the second 20, and the third 10. All are residential but can be changed and is subject to approval . The two Civic Centre towers are to be retained as commercial towers and a new retail area will be built just to the east of the station. Retailers from the existing area will be expected to relocate there, and will begin moving out later in the year, except for those leading directly to the station.

I was also told that the upgraded station will see people enter the station from ground level at Orchid Rd and will take stairs to access the platforms which will be above.

Construction is set to begin in full next year.

The D/A is on public display until June 29. You can see the model at Chatswood Station in the special display centre as you leave the station.

The heights of the towers will be

Tower 1 - RL 210m - 32 Storeys
Tower 2 - RL 164m - 18 Storeys
Tower 3 - RL 147m - 12 Storeys

There will be approximately 7 245 metres of retail space and two levels of underground parking for 500 cars.

there three apartment towers! Of course we know you dont like this Fab
wow I cant belive i missed this
the city seems to change to fast when you dont live there any more !
at I agree love the metro cities great ! Once again when get a super tall on the rail line so chatty has a real center ! Still density has its up side too. I am not sure i understand where this will go. just up from the current exchange in that open area near the twin blue towers ?
Towers are slinder to find on boths side correct ?

The D/A is on public display until June 29. You can see the model at Chatswood Station in the special display centre as you leave the station.

The heights of the towers will be

Tower 1 - RL 210m - 32 Storeys
Tower 2 - RL 164m - 18 Storeys
Tower 3 - RL 147m - 12 Storeys

There will be approximately 7 245 metres of retail space and two levels of underground parking for 500 cars.

Where do you get your roof levels from. Chatswood would never have a building over 200 metres. And how is a 12 level building 147 metres.

Where do you get your roof levels from. Chatswood would never have a building over 200 metres. And how is a 12 level building 147 metres.

RL is the Australian Height Datum standard...or height above sea level. Not sure exactly why they do this - maybe because you have to consider this when anticipating the impact on flight paths of airplanes?

Height above sea level now that makes more sense. Thanx.

You can view the brochure associated with the development on the web. It contains good renderings of the towers and transport interchange.

http://www.raillink.nsw.gov.au/graphics/CTI%20Exhibition%20Brochure.pdf

It mentions that work should begin in later this year with prepartory works and the interchange along with the towers are slated for completion by late 2007 to coincide with the opening of the Epping - Chatswood rail line.

if thats on time !

The D/A is on public display until June 29. You can see the model at Chatswood Station in the special display centre as you leave the station.

The heights of the towers will be

Tower 1 - RL 210m - 32 Storeys
Tower 2 - RL 164m - 18 Storeys
Tower 3 - RL 147m - 12 Storeys

There will be approximately 7 245 metres of retail space and two levels of underground parking for 500 cars.
you need to take approx 100m away from these heights for heights above ground
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tower 1-110m
Tower 2-64m
Tower 3-47m
thats more like it.

Surely in the least the train station will be upgraded like St Leopards was. Chatswood is bigger than St Leonards yet some residents want to keep the station as it is for heritage significance. What a crock.

some residents want to keep the station as it is for heritage significance. .

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Besides the Epping link will force a new station anyway.

Surely in the least the train station will be upgraded like St Leopards was. Chatswood is bigger than St Leonards yet some residents want to keep the station as it is for heritage significance. What a crock.

Your refering to the building on the platform???? If so, I can understand their plight

The rest of the interchange is a bloody shocker. Navigating your way through the grandiose 80's design if you need to go to the Eastern side is a nightmare. Despite having a good sense of direction, I've taken wrong turns as I use it to leave the station.

Save it for what !

Matixvolta has scanned a rendering of the three towers & transport interchange.

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/Chats-1.jpg

hmmm I think they should get back to the drawing boards, they could do alot better than that!!!

Chrisaus, they are concept design, just to give the public (you and I) an idea of what could be built. These are not the final designs.

these threads should join...

have a design comp!

Here's the view of the concourse.

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/IMG_0083-1.JPG

...and more scanning. (bloody 48 bit scanner. Taking yonks to scan)

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/garden.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/IMG48004-1.JPG

hmmm I think they should get back to the drawing boards, they could do alot better than that!!!

The renders (in my view) show the towers at their worst and the quality of the renderings weren't that good either. If it were more detailed, they would appear better. I found the models to show the designs much better than the renders. Better reserve your judgements for when the final renders are released.

The good thing about each of these towers is that they all have different designs. None of these towers will look alike and I find this to be good as it enables each tower to be unique in terms of their designs and featues. There needs to be diversity. You'll notice that the tallest tower has curves a bit while the other two stick to straight lines. Each tower also has a different facade.

im praying for a good design that is well resovled cause im no 100% convinced
they should have design comps for this kind of stuff to generate more ideas

Anyone knew that Council's Civic Place will be vamped?

Anyone knew that Council's Civic Place will be vamped?

Yep, there is a thread on it too

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=37952

I haven't found anything recent in regards to the towers and whether or not they have been approved. Meanwhile preparation work for the transport interchange (which is apart of the development) has begun.

Here's a link to see what to expect - http://www.raillink.nsw.gov.au/SectionIndex.aspx?PageID=80

I also found an article from the August Edition of the Sydney Observer (ko.com.au) and unfortuantely it suggests the possiblity that the interchange is doomed to fail.

Chatswood Interchange ... off the rails?
Melissa-Jo Sherman

Is the Chatswood Transport Interchange (CTI) doomed to fail from the start? That’s what Shadow Minister for Transport Services, Michael Gallacher MLC, fears.

“It just doesn’t appear that we’re seeing there is consultation with the local community,” Gallacher says. “It’s not a case of somebody sitting 30 storeys above in Governor Macquarie Tower looking at a street directory and saying ‘this is what it looks like from the air so we’ll cut this street off or do this and do that’. It just doesn’t work that way.”

The concept master plan for the $500 million railway station redevelopment, announced early last year, includes construction of three residential towers up to 33 storeys high, a multi-level retail facility, and 500 underground parking spaces.

The interchange is designed to cement Chatswood as a major transport hub but, along with Gallacher, residents and Willoughby council members are increasingly concerned that, without an overarching transport plan, it will result in disastrous traffic congestion.

According to Gallacher, averting transport problems, particularly in a project of this magnitude, lies in bringing local organisations (for example, the Taxi Council) and relevant government departments (the Roads and Traffic Authority [RTA], State Rail, Sydney Buses) together in a coordinated approach. “This is a major part of the transport infrastructure for not only the North Shore but indeed for Sydney,” he says, “and it needs to have an overarching authority to make it work.”

John Hooper, Chatswood resident and member of an informal Macquarie Street residents’ group, has been lobbying for just that. The group formed about two years ago in response to traffic problems in Macquarie Street. Hooper says they have since seen that the issues they are dealing with at a local level really have their root in a much larger sphere - like Chatswood.

Because of congestion on the Pacific Highway and Boundary Street, among others, Hooper has seen the level of bus delays and traffic cutting through residential streets increase significantly.

“If nothing is done, we are going to be sacrificed and our community ruined by the huge volume of traffic that this development is going to bring down on top of us. If nothing is done to upgrade our roads and to protect our residential precincts, then it will completely ruin the fabric or amenity of our heritage conservation area and make all of our residential roads even more dangerous and overloaded than they already are,” he says.

From the “many, many” traffic community meetings Hooper’s been involved with, he says it is apparent that Willoughby Council feels they don’t have control of the problem so they’re not able to do anything. Likewise, the RTA has said it is really not their job, but the responsibility of the Transport Minister.

“I’ve spoken to pretty much every councillor in Willoughby and I’ve been in contact with most of the councillors in Ku-ring-gai, and they’re just totally frustrated that they can’t do anything,” Hooper says.

Jeff Organ, Infrastructure Services Director for Willoughby Council, says additional traffic from the development has been one of the council’s main concerns. “We have consistently argued that the development of the [Parramatta Rail Link] and the [towers] should not be considered in isolation, from the need to ensure that the whole road and rail system operates effectively,” he says.

Council has made submissions to the Transport Infrastructure Development Corporation (TIDC), the body responsible for the interchange project, but to date, Organ says, “they’ve really ignored looking at any improvements outside of what is the Parramatta Rail Link.”

There is no question that traffic is a problem. A Traffic and Transport Impact Assessment commissioned by the TIDC reads: “In general it has been found that all key arterial and sub-arterial roads within and bounding the study area [Pacific Highway, Mowbray Road, Boundary Street and Penshurst Street] are already operating over capacity during both the AM and PM peak periods. The cause of this congestion is the inadequacy of the Pacific Highway to cater for regional traffic demands in its current state.”

It goes on to state: “The implementation of regional bus priority measures is not tied to the viability of the proposed bus interchange, but rather to the success of regional public transport in general. The CTI project aims to raise awareness of the importance of improving bus operations throughout the region to all project stakeholders, and provide the impetus for cooperation to achieve appropriate mitigation sooner rather than later.”

In other words, while it is not within the TIDC’s mandate to address these issues, they do need to be addressed.

Although the Minister for Transport Services, Michael Costa, was contacted by the Sydney Observer, the Minister’s spokesperson, Matt Jones, first obfuscated then refused to address our questions.

IT'S BEEN APPROVED!!!!:D:cheers:

but the Herald has decided to slam the government over it's approval and the implications for the development. The editorial states the towers would be out of proportion to the surrounding area (What are these folks on about :bash:, they're about the same height as other towers in Chatswood with the 32 storey tower a tad taller than the rest???) but also the impact on traffic within the Chatswood CBD.

Anyway it's good news for Chatswood. :)

From The Sydney Morning Herald (smh.com.au)

Chatswood plans out of kilter
January 6 2005

The quiet of the holiday season, when most people are celebrating or recovering, is often when governments make unpopular announcements in a bid to avoid public scrutiny. So at a time when it might have expected no one to notice, the State Government has announced a 32-storey residential tower at Chatswood, to be built with two other towers, one of 12 storeys and the third probably of 18. The approval, by the Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Natural Resources, and not the minister, Craig Knowles, comes despite lengthy opposition to the plans.

The Government has been seeking to lift population density around railway stations to boost railway patronage and to help fund spending on the rail network, mostly on station redevelopment and upgrades. As a general policy, that is unexceptionable. However, a building of 32 floors on top of the Chatswood station is out of all proportion to the surrounding area, as well as being a huge bonus for the developer.

The development is needed to fund a station upgrade because of the approaching completion of the line to Epping as the first leg of the Chatswood-Parramatta rail link. The cost of the development has been estimated at more than $500 million, making it one of the largest public-private partnerships, which use private money to fund the construction of public facilities. The Government insists that "heritage conditions" will apply to the designs "to minimise overshadowing and visual impact" of the residential buildings, although it is clear that a 32-storey building will cast a lengthy shadow over the surrounds, no matter how elegant the design.

Like many urban centres, Chatswood has far outgrown its original confines, with cars and buses jostling for the very limited access to the area around the train station. A three-tower complex built directly above the station will add to the congestion, because it will bring at least another 2000 people into the immediate area, with hundreds of extra cars trying to get in and out.

The Government has gone the wrong way about funding the redevelopment of the area, adding to the congestion rather than easing it and, at the same time, sending a clear message to developers about the sort of accommodating deals it is willing to do for other railway stations.

What IS wrong with these nuts!?! It's Chatswood Station right in the centre of Chatswood CBD for crying out loud.

My goshk, you'd think they wanted to build Freedom Tower there.

Just ridiculous.

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what's gonna happen to the disused third platform that exists? become a turnback siding?

What IS wrong with these nut!?! It's Chatswood Station right in the centre of Chatswwod CBD for crying out loud.

My goshk, you'd think they were building Freedom Tower there.

Just ridiculous.

It was enough for me to write a letter to the SMH about it and I also accused them of exaggerating about the number of people that could reside in the towers along with traffic concerns. I don't think it will be published though but I was happy to let off some steam.

what's gonna happen to the disused third platform that exists? become a turnback siding?

I'm not sure but from what I remember from diagrams there will be two island platforms at Chatswood upon completition. I'm not sure if there will be a realignment of existing tracks and platforms in order to accomodate the additional tracks and platforms.

this should be good. i come thru chatswood station everyday to work. when will we get finished designs/heights ect..?

You can view documents relating to it's approval at the Planning NSW website - www.planning.nsw.gov.au under "Notices of Determination"

I can give more accurate height details. The height of the new concourse is 94m RL and the podium which the towers will be built on is 106m RL

Based on these stats the heights of the towers should be

Tower 1 - 104-116m (At 116 metres it would be the tallest in Chatswood :))
Tower 2 - 61-90m
Tower 3 - 41-53m

I'm not sure but from what I remember from diagrams there will be two island platforms at Chatswood upon completition. I'm not sure if there will be a realignment of existing tracks and platforms in order to accomodate the additional tracks and platforms.

The third (dock/terminal) platform no longer exists. It has been gone for over a year.

Chatswood needs an elevated freeway to replace the crappo Pacific Highway esp from where the roseville turnoff until Mowbray Road... it is shambles!

Bondi Junction-esque? Which swath of land will you choose to commit to the bulldozers and who will put up the $100 million to resume the land?

A better hope for this area is the M2-F3 tunnel being built with a proper interchange for Sydney-centric (ie outbound counter-clockwise orbital traffic and vice versa) and including the "beautification" of the Pacific Highway from Artarmon to Wahroonga in the concession.

This is going to be one amazing redevelopment, much bigger than the Olympic makeover at St Leonards.
You have the new train line coming in from Epping plus a whole new bus interchange not to mention a 30 level tower above the station.
No wonder it will take 3 years to complete.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid156/pdc32c6039757ba86272179f1f92957e1/f54d34a0.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid156/p12b79c8367f55ef42ce353029a2c0c69/f54d34a3.jpg

Originally Posted by climbing_crane
some residents want to keep the station as it is for heritage significance. .

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You can view documents relating to it's approval at the Planning NSW website - www.planning.nsw.gov.au under "Notices of Determination"

I can give more accurate height details. The height of the new concourse is 94m RL and the podium which the towers will be built on is 106m RL

Based on these stats the heights of the towers should be

Tower 1 - 104-116m (At 116 metres it would be the tallest in Chatswood :))
Tower 2 - 61-90m
Tower 3 - 41-53m
fabian. i couldnt find doco. its confusing the heights?
so whats first figure? and 2nd? if tower 1 is 116m, whats its total RL?

found it fabian.
as you said, the concourse is RL96m, which is street level.
the RLs for the towers are-
tower 1-210m or 114m above street
tower 2-163.6 or 67.6m above street
tower 3-146.5m or 50m above street
these heights include plantrooms.
Interesting to see that the RL of tower 1 is 210m which is same RL as tallest Citadel.
heres the TOP TEN list on ss.com of Chatswoods tallest.
not a bad bloody list!

bldg/height/floors/year

1. Chatswood Interchange (Tower 1) 114 m/ 33 /2007?
2. Citadel Tower 1 110 m /21 /1991
3. Epica 96 m /33 /2004
4. Zenith Centre Tower A 94 m /24 /1990
5. Zenith Centre Tower B 94 m/ 24/ 1990
6. 7 Railway Street, Pacific pl.. 94 m /20/ 2006?
7. The Regency Tower A 86 m /28/ 2001
8. Royal & Sun Alliance 85 m /18 /1995
9. Chatsworth Plaza 85 m /28 /1990
10. Bentleigh Tower 84 m /24 /2000
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compared to Adelaides potential top 10

1. Santos House 135 m /31 /1988
2. Telstra House 104 m /24/ 1987
3. Grenfell Centre 103 m /24/ 1973
4. SA Water House 91 m /22 /1991
5. Hyatt Regency Hotel 87 m /24 /1989
6. City Central (Apartment tower.. 85 m /20/2008?
7. 16-20 Bentham Street 85 m/ 26 /2006 ?
8. 11-29 Waymouth Street 84 m/ 21/ 2006 UC
9. City Central (Hotel Tower) 80 m /25 /2008?
10. City Central (Office Tower.. 80 m /20 2007?

Chatswood isnt bad a small satelite CBD.

still this rail link wont really take off as interchange with a link to parr (which wont happen)

Even without the rail link to Epping, it would of needed a new transport interchange anyway given the current state of facilities.

NEW D/A TO BE LODGED NEXT MONTH!!!!
TOWER HEIGHTS TO INCREASE!!!! :cucumber::pepper::cucumber::cheers:

I chatted with a person at the info centre at Chatswood Station today. He told me that the towers will now be 40, 36 and 20 storeys respectively rising up to a height of 240m RL (or around 140 metres above street level). They will be clustered together above the transport interchange instead of following the railway line in order to maintain the viewing angles and maintain the grid (which is a great idea).

This change in design has resulted because the proposed scheme had "split the suburb" in two and had raised concerns with locals as well. The towers have been allowed increases in height in exchange for being slimmer. I saw an artists impression of the towers on the skyline and they they look impressive. The towers defiantely look better and also come with an architetural feature at the top. Also they increased the height of the towers in order to have a set of skyscrapers that would make it the pinnacle of the Chatswood skyline just like Sydney Tower is in the CBD.

The D/A should come in next month (in time for Easter) and there will be a public exhbition at the information centre at Chatswood and the Planning NSW office at Central. A model of the D/A will arrive at the Chatswood information centre next week. Documents relating to the D/A will also be posted on the web at the same time.

This is really good news!!!! :cheers: Chatswood need these biggies!!!

wow, good news. bring on the talls.
240mRL? thats rivals MLC in CBD at 250mRL. getting high!
140m would make it tallest bldg outside of CBD.

Good one Fabian :okay:

If it's RL 240m then the tallest tower would be 144 metres!!!!! Thats nearly 500ft.:D

great news

Has anyone seen the model on display at Chatswood with the towers they look quite nice, the larger of the two has a bit of a KENS thing happening on top.

I have found a few dodgy renders of the towers on the developers website also. i dont know how to post pics though if anyone would like to PM and tell me how, i will post them

cheers

I have found a few dodgy renders of the towers on the developers website also. i dont know how to post pics though if anyone would like to PM and tell me how, i will post them



Or you can just tell us the link to the website?

News from Chatty, the old interchange is allready getting it's guts ripped out. The builders knocked a hole in the wall and I saw them trowing carped and fittings out it. You can see the demolition from the gardens.

Or you can just tell us the link to the website?

well i wouldnt mind learning how to do it myself but if you insist.

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/environments/edoras/sites/CRIChatswoodInterchange/

well i wouldnt mind learning how to do it myself but if you insist.

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/environments/edoras/sites/CRIChatswoodInterchange/

All you have to do is:

(img)insert URL of picture here(/img)

Except use square brackets instead of the curved ones I used.

Here is the first of the pictures posted - you can practice by putting the other pics in. ;)

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/acmiddle.jpg

thanks finn!

okay here we go

Heres one of the towers
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/ccleft.jpg

View from the Bus interchange looking south
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/ccright.jpg

The Orchard Galleria with Sation entry and retail
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/bcright.jpg

Chatswood Mall looking West
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/bcleft.jpg

Heres one of the towers
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/ccleft.jpg


Wow! I count 40 levels in the left tower - and that's 40 levels atop the podium! So it's probably about 43-45 levels above the street! :D

I thought more people would be excited about this development, its not every day a suburb in Sydney outgrows the capital of South Australia lol.

If anyone goes through Chatswood Mall have a look at the banners overhead they show the interchange being built in 1988, talk about a short lifespan.

I think we're all interested but this process has already been going for 5 years and will probably go for another 5.

We're interested, but as sirhc8 said...

I like how much more open the station/retail space is. They really botched it up with the current one (no forward thinking in it's public space useage at all!!)

I understand,
I just go through the sation every day and see all of the work happening its moving along nicely, i suppose the towers are a fair way off being started though.

Looks great. I'm sure the new interchange will last much longer than 16 years.

My Chatswood is GROWING!!!

Woop!

It already has dwalfed Adelaide. Now, Adelaide is insignificant. :claps:

..but Adelaide is growing too. Why would one wish it to be insignificant? Anyways... *shrugs and skips off*

Well ya gotta use one city as a yard stick. In this case, it is Adelaide.

Ahh...can't wait till start a city vs city thread.

Adelaide vs Chatswood

i do love this
but such a long time coming

cool guys. i also travel through st leonards every day. ill have to heckout modelS.
so if concourse is RL96M and podium is RL104M,
SO 40 LEVEL TOWER =120M + PODIUM=128M (RL232M) +8MPLANTROOM=140M
36 LEVEL-120M (RL224M) +8M=128M
20 LEVEL-68M (RL176M) +8M= 76M
?

Culwulla...don't forget the very tall "architectural feature". Instead of spires, it'll have a slant wall on the side.

The render doesn't show the towers at their best. The renders that I saw back at the display centre in Feburary were just as good. They didn't even feature the blades that will form the architectural feature on the roof's of the towers.

The retail complex is very classy in the rendering. It's a major improvement from the complex we have at present.

Plus I said in a post back in Feburary, the design has been changed to maintain the grid, which had been an area of concern by locals. As you can see in this render of the Victoria Street Mall, the towers have been located in a way that maintains it by placing them next to each other on either side of the interchange. It also preserves and extends the wall of skyscrapers that extends down Victoria Street from the Pacific Highway down to the interchange

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/bcleft.jpg

the main reason why they changed the design of the interchange is because the towers will overshadow the rememberance memorial. The locals didn't like that.

Okay. I'll head to Chatswood interchange and take shots of the model; the construction and the destruction. :D

So far the Eastern block of the interchange (i.e. where the Optus retail was) is now under demolition. Saw bulldozers having fun there.

Here are some photos.

Proposed model design
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Model-1.jpg

Just by comparison. You can see that those buildings will trump Zenith Towers.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Model-2.jpg

You can see some construction work. Possibly modifying the track? The train wasn't running that day.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/construction-1.jpg

Here's a closeup. Ya can see Mirvac apartment behind it.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/construction-2.jpg

This artificial bridge was in place mid this month. The interchange is under demolition which mean pedestrian crossing must be diverted to this bridge. It links to the blue part of the interchange. Two blue towers above it will stay.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/construction-3.jpg

Some kind of wiring happening there.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/construction-4.jpg

This is completely under demolition. There are 2 bulldozers running over this at the other side (Rememberance Garden side).
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/construction-5.jpg

Sorry about the bad shots. I arrived at the interchange around 3pm, and the office closed at 1pm. Best thing i could do that day.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/diagram-1.jpg

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/diagram-2.jpg

That plan looks awesome. The building that overhangs the rail lines looks like it would have an awesome view over the construction site.

It's back to three towers now???. Thats great :) I was told back in Feburary told there were going be two under the modified scheme.

The third tower looks like it will be around 90 metres or 30 storeys tall. Much more than I would of expected.

I love the design. So stylish. I love the blades atop the towers.

I love the tops on these new towers. Reminds me of a new building in Melbourne, 11 Exhibition St.

wow, top shots matixV. its different seeing that view instead of from inside the train.
who are the architects?
do we know heights yet? what about top of blades? would tallest be 150m+?
fantastic. they look so tALL!!
cheers

I think its exactly 150m. Not sure, will confirm more details when i visit the display centre again.

Here's a link:

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/environments/edoras/sites/CRIChatswoodInterchange/index.cfm?pageid=pg710304796edoras

Great pic posts Matixvolta!!

When I called into the display centre mid-last week, I spoke to the guy there about the towers and he said that they are just to go up for Stage 2 DA. Let's hope they go ahead.

He also mentioned 1 or 2 of them have been repostioned to the previous designs that are still on the http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au web site. They are now redundant yet the 3.45 minute fly by download for the Interchange on the same site shows the latest tower designs (briefly).

Wow, great shots! This is going to be super-impressive when completed! It's great to see Paramatta and Chatswood getting major development and transport interchanges at the same time!!

wow, top shots matixV. its different seeing that view instead of from inside the train.
who are the architects?
do we know heights yet? what about top of blades? would tallest be 150m+?
fantastic. they look so tALL!!
cheers

Will this be the TALLEST SKYSCRAPER IN SYDNEY in RL height? The base of the skyscraper is 102.5m RL. Add that by 150m and that's 252.5m RL.

A woman also said that since this is a state gov't project, it over-rides the council height limit.

The DA will be formally handed in in a week a so. Then 30 day public consultation.

MLC is RL250m
so it will be higher.wow.
not counting spires ect. highest spire is GPt at RL271m.

Amazing ay? Satellite City beating the CBD!

Should have been done YEARS ago. Yes, i'm pissed off - I have to walk through this construction site every frickin' day. They sure made no effort to make it easier for the thousands of people walking through there twice a day.

They are doing the best as they can to look after the pedestrians. They even built a temporary bridge.

Yup, excellent update indeed Matix, thanks for the pics of demolition work!

Those are talllllll towers! That tallest one though seems to be above the railway lines- is that still acceptable considering the discussion over the safety of such developments?

Cheers, looking forward to this one coming along!

I think you will find the towers more to the sides, similar to The Forum development @ St Leos.

ive added the interchange towers in my old RL pano.As you can see they will have huge impact. thats if its correct height at 252mRL? i did 2nd highest at approx240mRL,lowest 190mRL.

http://img5.echo.cx/img5/452/sydneyskylinehighest0nk.jpg

center point - some tv tower- chifley- then berowra fire tower? who would have guessed

center point - some tv tower- chifley- then berowra fire tower? who would have guessed
Yeah, who would have thought? lol

Interesting diagram CULS.

i travel past the Berowra Fire tower everyday to work. nice little structure, great views.

I reckon they shoulda buried those tracks to at least Artarmon and run four lanes through there to gore hill fwy - theres a heap of room there to mess around with. They could even do it by burying the Epping track only. Pac Hwy in Chatswood is just a joke.

I reckon they shoulda buried those tracks to at least Artarmon and run four lanes through there to gore hill fwy - theres a heap of room there to mess around with. They could even do it by burying the Epping track only. Pac Hwy in Chatswood is just a joke.

They can send it all way to St Leonards. The station there has been built to cater for two extra tracks as part of the Chatswood - Epping rail line. St Leonards Station comprises to two island platforms to cater for the new line. Thats why the station's platforms are labelled as 2 and 3. 1 & 4 will be the extra platforms.

I also took a whole stack of photo's at the exhbition centre today including renders, diagrams, the model and demolition work. I'll need some time to post them up.

Here are some renders

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/6945/cripacifichighway2hw.jpg

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/9834/crifromsouth6ot.jpg

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/9464/crifromnorth8er.jpg

Aerial shot

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/8908/criaerial7xv.jpg

& some skyline shots (from the northern beaches). It would of been nice to some from the West ie Olympic Park & Strathfield along with one from St Leonards

It will make a big impact on the skyline. Doesn't it look impressive???

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/4272/crikillarneyheights0eu.jpg

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/149/criseaforth4wm.jpg

Yeah very very impressive. Great design and very nice height considering. Amazing to see the satelite CBD's (even tho Chatswood is mainly res). In about 30 years they will probably be joined up to the main one anyway...

Im very surprised to see that these 2 towers will blow the Chats height limit to shreds. Does this set a precedent for other developments or has Bob Carr just over ruled on this one ???
Also -
1- has it been approved in full i.e is that what is under construction right now?
2- what are the exact heights? how do you find this out ?

Christarrant,

The simple answer is no. Chatswood interchange is a state gov't project which means it can over-ride local council's height limit. I don't think there will be any more state gov't skyscraper plans in the foreceable time.

1. No. DA will be formally be handed to council next week. Then the 30 day consultation with public will occur. After 3 months, then the project will be approved.
2. Height is around 150m ish. The RL of the base is 102.5m. This will be the tallest skyscraper in Sydney when count it as RL.

OMG, the rendering images are fxxking awesome!!!
I thought it was LA. lol

If this is what goes ahead, it'll be good. They appear to have managed to find the sweet spot for the height.

So the NSW government hands the DA to the council out of courtesy, eh? must seem like "here's what we're building, you don't have a say in it" to the council...

Fabulous project.

So the NSW government hands the DA to the council out of courtesy, eh? must seem like "here's what we're building, you don't have a say in it" to the council...

Pretty much. Same goes to Stevedore's site at Millers Point. Train station is state's land, not council's. Council does the public consultation for 30 days. This means announcing this by local newspaper, brochures, meetings and all. Also, the council and developer must clear out the impact statement such as noise, traffic changes, new pedestrian walkways and stuff.

The only thing the concil can impact is to adjust the design of the final product 'if' there there are some opponents in the public. LOL, i know for sure Epica residents will be furious since the three towers will block their city view. They never thought in their mind that a tower will be bigger than their's! They are so wrong. :runaway:

Forgot to tell ya guys:

the towers will be contructed in conjuction with the interchange. BUT the interchange is a priority which needs to be finish in mid 2007. The base for the skyscrapers will be there but the core rise and foundation will not start until 2008. The three towers till take 3.5 to 4 years to be built and it'll be finished by 2011. The big one will rise first then the 2nd big and so on.

I dunno if this is an appropriate place to put it but here it goes...

Everyone remembers the two towers 'proposed' in front of Epica? Well that is on hold since Mirvac cannot find suitable tenants to fill up the demand. Note, the vacancy rate for Chatswood is around 22%. Still plenty of space to go around. These two tower will be commercial and be much sharter than Epica. Imagine how outraged the Epica will be if they're gonna have a view of a concrete wall.

^^^You mean Epica which is part of the Pacific Place Development. I've noticed that the bulk of apartments have east and west facing apartments and only some facing the south^^^

I was told too that people have been complaining to the information centre regarding the loss of views from existing apartments as well. Well thats tough for them and even made a point to the guy inside that they (the apartment owners) cannot do anything about it!!!!

Here are some model shots

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/6324/p4291757small0yw.jpg

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/2791/p4291763small0uz.jpg

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/8522/p4291764small6wd.jpg

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/7427/p4291749small1zd.jpg

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/4766/p4291758small4cd.jpg

The first tower looks quite similar to World Tower

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/8941/p4291752small2bd.jpg

Excellent shots again Fabian. Loving the close-ups of the models, esp the last one. Great stuff.

I reckon that squawking to council (or any other body) about losing a precious view is not a new thing to many councils and it is now just falling on deaf ears. Especially when many Sydney councils have had to deal with such things as the homeless, yet they *still* have to deal with some whack-jobs :rant: :bleep: coming in all indignant about the loss of the view of a fig or of their water glimpse; 25 deg. North, 48 deg. East.

...

God bless the Gov, they seem to be the only ones with balls (pardon the language) to build tall. This has really set my expectations of the patricks site a tad higher (but im still waiting to be disappointed). These days the councils have just lost the plot and have literally forced the gov to take such actions.

Loss of views = life in a big city

If you want your views forever, don't live in a CBD because a CBD's function is to grow.

I reckon that squawking to council about losing a precious view is not a new thing to many councils and it is now just falling on deaf ears. Heh heh thats funny...just like moving in next to Luna Park then complaining about the noise....

wow, cool models. gee there slim. nice and tall. should be great watching gwo as i go through chatswood everyday.
thanks for pix fab

Front cover of today's North Shore Times:

http://www.angelfire.com/co4/sirhc8/1/tower2.jpg

Look out Adelaide here comes Chatswood :-)

Its great news and they look very impressive. The NSW State goverment is also applying the same tactics upon Parramatta council. They look to be taking away their approval rights on large and significant projects. Looks like Parramatta council finally gets no say what so ever on the big ones as well. Chatswood is going to look great.

Mark my words ..... dont be surprised if the whole length of Pacific Highway from Chatswood down to North Sydney thru St Leonards will one day in the future be one long winding skyline. :yes:

Front cover of today's North Shore Times:

http://www.angelfire.com/co4/sirhc8/1/tower2.jpg


im a bit confused as these models pictured ( above) are different , is that because theyre the old DA ?

Has anyone been able to find out the height of the major towers yet ?

thanks

Front cover of today's North Shore Times:

http://www.angelfire.com/co4/sirhc8/1/tower2.jpgUnfortunately sirhc8 angelfire.com don't allow pics to be hotlinked. If you have the capabilities to scan it, send it to me on my email address which is jony@mail2me.com.au with the scan. Otherwise I'll try and pic up a copy tommorow @ the Leighton's office in St Leonards to do it myself.

Regards Muse :okay:

The Interchange is now completely destroyed!

Woot!

The Interchange is now completely destroyed!

Woot!

Really? I went through by train on Wednesday and most of it was still there. That was quick.

Doesn't take a lot of petrol power to bring down a single storey building.

Look out Adelaide here comes Chatswood :-)

Height and skyline wise, thats not hard to match or beat hands down.

Unfortunately sirhc8 angelfire.com don't allow pics to be hotlinked. If you have the capabilities to scan it, send it to me on my email address which is jony@mail2me.com.au with the scan. Otherwise I'll try and pic up a copy tommorow @ the Leighton's office in St Leonards to do it myself.

Regards Muse :okay:


just right click on properties and paste into address bar for the image to come up

Here's the latest update:

DEMOLITION!

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-1.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-2.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-3.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-4.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-5.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-6.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-7.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-8.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-9.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-10.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-11.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-12.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/destroy-13.JPG
Cheers,

Yay! I see this lovely sight every day from the train!

Wow, is that round section what used to be the skylight of the Orchid Centre's food hall?

This is a major job!

By the look of the last pic, it seems there is still some work to be done over @ Pacific Place. Another tower has been on the cards for a while. Commercial I seem to remember.

Thanks Matixvolta :)

Don't hold your breathe. They won't build commerical spaces in front of Epica for a while. There is 22% vacancy rate in Chatswood. Not enough demand to fill up the spaces.

Well, I don't think it will be built any time soon as either commercial or apartments, with the 3 new apartment towers over the Chatswood Interchange.

I don't think apartment boom would effect commercial boom?

I don't think apartment boom would effect commercial boom?What I'm saying is that with also the 3 new large apartment towers, it may affect Mirvac's plan to build a new apartment tower, north of the rail line.

Not any particular deep meaning here. Just I remembered at least one more tower on the Pacific Place site, and that may be put on hold for whatever reason.

looks like a tornado went through

looks like a tornado went through
Put it this way: one more week and it's

GAWNE!

Good riddance to old trash.

Great pics Matixvolta. That goodness that wretched and impratical heap of junk is going, going .... gone.

I love the bit showing the semis and the "enlarged entrance". It really looks like a truck drove thru it :D

OK guys, a revised D/A has been lodged with planning NSW.

According to the D/A published in the herald last wednesday, the towers will be the following heights (excluding plant rooms and architcectural features)

Tower 1 - 40 storeys/ 247m RL
Tower 2 - 36 storeys/ 234m RL
Tower 3 - 25 storeys/ 210m RL

It looks like Chatswood will be getting it's first 500 footer!!!!!!

There will also be 10 000sq.m of retail space + three levels of basement parking for 500 vehicles.

OMG! I will get some shots of the demolition shot tomorrow. 9 heavy machinaries destroying the whole place up.

The commuters are stunned in awe listening to the 'symphany of deconstruction' by Demolition! Everyone starring at the machines while it scoops up dirt and drilling concrete. Nobody cared if the trains were running late. They were happy that there is LIVE ENTERTAINMENT...cityrail is forgiven. Then when the tangara arrive...the place was silent because the train blocked the sound.

:)

There will also be 10 000sq.m of retail space + three levels of basement parking for 500 vehicles.

...meanwhile the proposed site in front of Epica (which was originally planned for commerical block) has been turned into a car park.

fabian, im still getting confused about the tower heights? You have quoted there ground level as RL94m,102m and 106m, which is it?
if towers rise from RL94m
tower 1=247m-94m=153m
tower2=234m-94m=140m
tower3=210m-94=116m
is this correct?
so are these heights to roof? if so how high are arch features? 10m?
so could end up=
163m
150m
126m

A couple of shots from today:

http://img122.echo.cx/img122/5195/chatswoodinterchange41006057ba.jpg

http://img122.echo.cx/img122/7729/chatswoodinterchange21006056of.jpg

:D
You're tuning:
Symphany of Demolition. Composed by Cityrail.

fabian, im still getting confused about the tower heights? You have quoted there ground level as RL94m,102m and 106m, which is it?
if towers rise from RL94m
tower 1=247m-94m=153m
tower2=234m-94m=140m
tower3=210m-94=116m
is this correct?
so are these heights to roof? if so how high are arch features? 10m?
so could end up=
163m
150m
126m

Those heights are to the roof. Nothing was mentioned about the height of the architectural features in the D/A.

& the ground (concourse) level is RL 94m.

Interchange? WHAT Interchange?

Interchange? WHAT Interchange?

Chatswood Station acts as transport interchange for rail and bus commuters. Bus services operate from the station, hence the name "interchange"

Sorry, that came out wrong.

It was a comment that so much of the interchange had been demolised, that it practicaly is unreconisable.

Updates:


http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image-1.JPG

http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image-2.JPG

Bloody lousy camera phone.

^^Nice pics, gives at least the essence of the situation!! Good riddance to the old tacky 80's interchange!

where is 'underground' the bus interchange now ?
How do people exit the station

If you have a look at the web site Trances, it has all the alternative arrangements for public and private bus lines alike.

As far as the station goes, I can see some kind of temporary access/exit stairs on the left in Matixvolta's first pic post. Looks dodgy tho'. lol

Matixvolta will be able to say more on it though.

^^Nice pics, gives at least the essence of the situation!! Good riddance to the old tacky 80's interchange!Yeah! It looked great for a long time, but near the end, had had its day. It was starting to age, and not well.

where is 'underground' the bus interchange now ?
How do people exit the station

There is no understand bus station. Bus stations are scattered around the train station. Some at Railway St(outdoor food court/Chelsea Bar), Victoria Ave (RSL Club), Endeavour St (Regency/DickSmith Electronics) and Help St (Monkey Bar). It's a fuss trying to find the bus station because it keeps on being relocated.

Now to answer your second question:
If you want to exit the station and go to Victoria Ave mall, ya gotta go 'around' the station. They built the temporary pedestrian bridge on the Northern side of the blue towers section which leads the way to where the Orchard Bar/Seven 11 store is. The Eastern side of the station is now demolished (as shown) which means ya cannot go through Victoria Ave using the normal concourse.

If you wanna access the RSL Club side, then it's the normal path as usual (although the escalators work half the time). Currently, one lane of the temorary pedestrian bridge is now closed due to random reason.

Many stores are relocated 'within' the blue tower section or just closed down temporarily. I know that the newsagency at Victoria Ave (oppisite of underground bus station) is relocated near the kebab shop/Fujitsu store.

It's a pain in the arse climbing those bridge stairs because i usually cross it AFTER my training at the local gym. :(

Now...escuse me while i celebrate my 1000th post.

:nocrook: :nocrook: :nocrook: :dj: :dj: :dj: :dance:

Currently, one lane of the temorary pedestrian bridge is now closed due to random reason.


Isn't that due to the building of the temproary station platforms?

well getting out of the station was always hard when i used to work then
those stair were so packed

I don't think the development is in the stage of building a temporary station platforms yet. The bridge is only 5 weeks old.

Well the lift sharft definatly is there for the temp platforms. There also seems to be a section of the ond interchance they haven't demolished yet and are holding it up with temporary steel supports.... I wonder what's happening there.

It looks like the temporary bridge and platforms are fast tracked considerably. Platforms are cheap stuff though...aluminium foundation. They're know flattening the soil around the temporary platforms to prepare for rail layering.

A $360 million-plus development awarded yesterday will transform the Chatswood business district on Sydney's lower north shore, creating three residential towers above a new railway station.

In one of the state's biggest public-private partnerships, a consortium including Barclay Mowlem, the Commonwealth Bank and architects Cox Richardson/Design Inc has signed a contract with the NSW Transport Infrastructure Development Corporation to build the Chatswood Transport Interchange.

It will include a 10,000sqm "convenience-based" shopping centre, which will be on-sold to other investors.

The CRI Australia-led consortium also has rights to develop the airspace above the new bus-rail interchange, for 500-plus residential apartments in three towers, with parking for 500 cars, if approved.

Preliminary work has commenced and major construction will begin later this year.

The first stage, excluding the residential towers, is scheduled for completion at the end of 2007, to coincide with the start of rail services on the Epping-Chatswood line in 2008.

CRI chairman Peter Wills said safety issues regarding development of airspace above the station had been addressed by locating the towers outside the rail corridor.

The towers would be developed "subject to market", and work could not commence until late next year.

CRI expected the project to create about 1000 jobs a year during construction, and about 400 permanent jobs once the interchange was complete.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15783257%255E643,00.html

wow, how good is this.such a great project. damn the towers wont start until late 2006.oh well have to wait a while for them. i get to go through the station every day so should be good to watch develope.

It will be great when the new interchange is finished.

I think with the towers, they will be constructing the foundations where need be as they build the interchange. So when they decide the time is right for the towers, they just start to construct those.

so should this thread be approved or proposed status. its definatley not UC? is interchange UC? if so it should be moved to transportation thread.

Not necessarily CUL as it will include 3 future scrapers.

Here is an article with render from the latest July edition of National Building News Monthly...

Barclay Mowlem signs $361 million project

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/379chatswoodinterchange1.JPG

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/379chatswoodinterchang2.JPG__http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/379chatswoodinterchange3.JPG

The temporary station is partly in use from today. We should see some serious action soon.

Not necessarily CUL as it will include 3 future scrapers.


oh i agree but there not "UC" yet, not until late 2006, so shouldnt be labelled UC. but i agree there is some work going on with trackwork on the Interchange.
ive recently chatted to architects about tower heights and they said the "architectural features" above the roofs of towers 1 & 2 are about 15m high. thus heights>

tower-1 168m (roof-153m)
tower-2 155m (roof-140m)
tower-3 116m

thats 2 skyscrapers over 500ft outside Sydney CBD. The tallest @ 168m is the tallest skyscraper in Australia outside a major CBD, beating the RDT on St Kilda Rd by 6m.

The 2 taller towers are so slender 'n sleek.

I thought because of the major demolition work going on atm (see Matixvolta's pics), it would be considered u/c. :?

BTW $361 Million sounds pretty cheap for all that's mentioned to be constructed in the above article.

^ yeah but the towers arent uc. not even the piling.lol

The interchange is not *just* a transport node. It will have the multi-level commercial building atop and will have to include the footings, the rock anchors and the podiums for the towers for when they go ahead in the future (depending on their positioning of course). Also the buffers to minimise the straddle effect from the trains.

It's all inter-connected, so it is u/c!!

still not convinced.lol
the towers dont start to late 2006. but yes the tracks and podium will be uc.
patience.
cheers

ATM it is NOT under construction, they are only carrying out preliminary works. Once they start work on the FINAL platforms and podim\shopping, then it will be under constuction. (Cull, please dont move the thread from here... It would help not to navigate!)

I just thought even preliminary works would also partially mean that it would be u/c. Of course no bricks 'n mortar so to speak appearing as yet...

Perhaps we could change the thread title to "Demolishment of current complex with u/c to begin on Chatswood Interchange" ;) or something akin.

dont worry, i was never going to move it. but as you say its not UC and the towers wont be for 18 months.

*bows out graciously*

*bows out graciously* also. lol

Taken by Eveleigh_Man at Bus Australia:

http://images.fotopic.net/yal07k.jpg
Looking northbound. The platform on the left is the old island platform. The platform on the right is the new platform, where platform 0 used to stand. Currently, Hornsby bound services are still using the old platform, while City bound services are using the eastern side of the new platform. The Hornsby bound services will be redirected to the western side of the new platform soon.


http://images.fotopic.net/yal07l.jpg

Thanks AG. Step-by-step, the logistical planning.

I wonder if the tracks will cross just north of Chatswood Station so that passengers travelling from the north can alight on the same island platform to change for trains travelling in the Epping direction and vice versa for the other island platform.

Here are some new renders courtesy of CRI - Chatswood Transport Interchange (http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/environments/edoras/sites/CRIChatswoodInterchange/index.cfm?pageid=pg713365272edoras)

The lower floors of the 2nd tallest tower in the foreground-ish:

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/08.jpg


The bus interchange and roundabout kept seperately from the Victoria St Mall. The lowest floors of the tallest proposed tower in the background.

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/07.jpg

...and a close-up:

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/09.jpg

...and even closer-up ;)

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/06.jpg

Looks nice... A lot better than what was there before :)

The new lane that will be created (with the palms and stores) is going to be so much better than used to having to trek through the awkward tight-sqeeze maze to the now gone forever Orchard Centre to get to and from the other side. The upper shopping levels are simply linear.

The bridges on the upper level lead to the main food hall above the station platforms.

Arcades to the opposite sides of the station bypassing underneath means no more "battling" the crowds on the station concourse as before either. Yip!!

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/10.jpg

...an aerial of a few weeks ago, courtesy of raillink.nsw.gov.au:

http://www.raillink.nsw.gov.au/Images/GalleryImages/55Full.jpg

2nd pic with the roundabout shows Chatwood Central (on the right) in a grey colour, where as currently it's an ugly (IMHO) blue as seen in aerial shot.

Perhaps it's going to be refurbed or at least resprayed?

Muse, I've made a (very lame) diagram to show how the tracks will work north of the station. Scroll down to the bottom to see.

http://www.catalystcompsolutions.com/chatty.gif

They wont cross over at any point. The Shore lines go around the Epping lines (which end at the storage siding, and the north shore line continues as before about North of Artarmon)

http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/gallery/07.jpg


Since when did they introduce the Diesel Powered 4D?

diesel? I see pantographs, even if there are no wires...

All I can say is WOW!!!

What a great redevelopment.

Since when did they introduce the Diesel Powered 4D?

This isn't RailPage :P

This isn't RailPage :P
You know where I stole that line from! You must die.............................. :p

I'm going to visit Chatswood next week, so i'll try and take some pics.

great.. i go through the station every day . cant see much from train.
theres nothing uc atm in Chatswood. hopefully something will start one day.

Yeah, any "action" is over at St Leos; all ten storey stuff.

Chatswood will come good. I have a feeling with this and the final stages of Pacific Place, we're bound to see cranes on Chatty's skyline next year. It's just the quiet before the storm.

There's actually nothing much really to photograph other than what has been posted previously. They're finishing off the demolition of the interchange buildings and demolishing the old platform.

CIVIC Place
To Be Completed late 2009-2010

http://www.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/_Upload/Images/aerial_450.jpg

Theatre
http://www.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/_Upload/Images/theatre_450.jpg

http://www.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/_Upload/Images/inside_library_450.jpg

http://www.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/_Upload/Images/VictoriaAve_450.jpg

http://www.willoughby.nsw.gov.au/_Upload/Images/OpenSpace_450.jpg

It will include exhibition hall, concert hall, resersal space, theatre, open space.

Cost: $115 million

http://www.civicplace.com.au/default-home.asp

Geez that guy in the last pic must be in one hell of a rush :)

Very nice stuff though.

Bloody awesome design!!!!
It looks like they're gonna demolish few shops in that block, but I guess it's worth it.

its going to look so so dated so so soon

WOW

What a great design.

its going to look so so dated so so soon

EXACTLY what i thought.
Bleh, 2005 architecture could be the next era to hate. If they made some slight changes it would be much more timeless.

EXACTLY what i thought.
Bleh, 2005 architecture could be the next era to hate. If they made some slight changes it would be much more timeless.
It's a shame - Some great things have been built recently.

*Semi Back on Topic*
I wish there were more stations built like Olympic Park.

^^ Very true, thats a sexy station.

One modification i would make... those strange brown "shutters" or whatever they are?? Just put some nice tesselating glass triangle pattern in place of it.

It's a shame - Some great things have been built recently.

*Semi Back on Topic*
I wish there were more stations built like Olympic Park.

Well if they built a shed-type station, then they won't be able to build 3 skyscrapers on top. :)

Ok then, name another station in Sydney that can easily handle 50,000 passengers an hour without resorting to the staff forming human fences while looking good at the same time.

North Sydney station. It's decent enough because it has Greenwood Plaza attached to it. Nothing wrong with Strathfied's heriage station also.

I go through North Sydney Station every day- That station can barly handle the traffic it has now, and is the bare mininum for a CBD station. And, the question was 50,000 PER HOUR. Greenwood Plaza is plain. Nothing wrong, nothing special.

well of course North Sydney in dira need as well of similar upgrade but thats like a decade away

50,000 passengers an hour

well, none because no stations have that sort of patronage. But triple escalator sets as at Martin Place do a very good job at moving high volume passenger "deluges". Separate entry and exit platforms are impractical because of increased dwell times - you'd have to open doors on both sides at once and educate passengers on which side to get out and work out something with the Union about what is a "safe" way to get the doors closed.

Olympic Park has three modes -

Standard - 10,000 hour - Platforms 2/3 only, limited staff
Event - 30,000 hour - Platforms 1/2/3/4, Event Staff
Olympic - 50,000 hour - Platforms 1/2/3/4, LOTS of Sydney 2000 Voulenteers

Town Hall would work well in Event Mode - Peak Staff Levels are roughthly the same as event seeing they have enougth people to form human chains - Dwell times can be compromised considering the situation at the moment.

We'll be needing the Olympic mode once more in 3 years time when the pope comes along to wave hello.

Good news guys. Frank gave the towers the OK to go ahead this week. :okay:
There was a tiny one paragraph article announcing this in the SMH this week.

WOW!!!

Chatswood does look different now that the crap has been removed. Having just been there this week, I am really looking forward to the redevelopment going ahead. And I am glad the State Govt approved it and took it away from Council who only wanted a low rise building!

there's a story in todays Fin Review saying thats its all go !

I'll take some shots of interchange now. brb this afternoon.

Temporary station. No ticket gate but there are frequentticket officers appearance at the entrance.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image(073).jpg

You can see they're drilling something. Possibly making a whole through underground station.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image(072).jpg

No more interchange. It won't be missed.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image(071).jpg

Wow...what a view.
http://home.exetel.com.au/miliux/forumimage/Image(070).jpg

It all looks so clean.

$361 million Chatswood development to proceed
AFR
By Cameron Ward
Sep 27, 2005
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Development of one of the largest public-private partnerships (PPP) in NSW history, the $361 million Chatswood Transport Interchange, will finally be able to proceed after the announcement of the sale of the retail shopping centre component to the Precision Group for roughly $100 million.

The contract, for a major transport and urban renewal project to be constructed as part of the Epping to Chatswood Rail Line, involves both the NSW state government run Transport Infrastructure Development Corporation and its private sector partner CRI Australia Pty Limited. Other partners in the project include design and construction contractor Barclay Mowlem Construction Limited, the Commonwealth Bank Australia as financial advisor and arranger, mezzanine financiers, and underwriters Babcock & Brown.

The retail centre will incorporate approximately 10,000 square metres of space once completed and is expected to be worth over $130 million.

Precision’s Chief Executive Officer and owner, Mr Shaun Bonett, said the company was excited about the retail opportunity at Chatswood as it would be an integral part of the Chatswood Transport Interchange.

"The retail vision created by CRI will be one of the most vibrant and cosmopolitan convenience shopping centres in Australia serving not only the travelling public, but also the workers and residents in Chatswood and Sydney’s Lower North Shore,” said Mr Bonett.

CRI’s director, Mr Geoff Baxter, agreed that the highlight of this major transport public-private partnership is that it will bring transport, retail and residential development to the heart of Chatswood in a world class interchange.

“CRI recognises the importance of PPP’s to deliver significant infrastructure development to the local and state communities in the most efficient manner. With our property experience and culture of partnership over the past 25 years CRI is well placed to successfully deliver this complex project,” said Mr Baxter.

The Chatswood Transport Interchange is scheduled for completion in December 2007 to support the opening of the Epping to Chatswood Rail Line later in 2008

"The retail vision created by CRI will be one of the most vibrant and cosmopolitan convenience shopping centres in Australia serving not only the travelling public, but also the workers and residents in Chatswood and Sydney’s Lower North Shore,” said Mr Bonett.


That's going to be hard - there's already two centers on a much grander scale down the street who allready claim that title.

Yipeeeeeeee :D

That's going to be hard - there's already two centers on a much grander scale down the street who allready claim that title.

What shops or retail chains can they hope to attract to Chatswood that aren't already there!

wow 2x 500footers outside of Sydney CBD? amazing stuff.

tower-1 168m (roof-153m)
tower-2 155m (roof-140m)
tower-3 116m

contruction still to start ,late 2006 for first tower?

Great news that it's going ahead! I'm really glad about it - these buildings have the perfect height for the area (I mean, look at the picture in christarrant's post.

wow 2x 500footers outside of Sydney CBD? amazing stuff.

tower-1 168m (roof-153m)
tower-2 155m (roof-140m)
tower-3 116m

contruction still to start ,late 2006 for first tower?

It'll look much taller since it stand on top of the interchange. The interchange is on a hill. :D

Go Chatty, Go!

I hope the commercial sector picks up pace too. It has been way too complacent.

Top stuff.

Yeah, wish they would complete the commercial component of Pacific Place nearby. Proposed is a 20+ office building, but they're sitting on it.

posted by lennyr

CHATSWOOD TRANSPORT PRECINCT PROJECT

a) Tower 1 consisting of 32,802 square metres of GFA, 40 storeys, to 246.80 metres AHD (to top of parapet and not including roof plant or architectural features);
b) Tower 2 consisting of 14,515 square metres of GFA, 25 storeys, to 201.10 metres AHD (to top of parapet and not including roof plant or architectural features);
c) Tower 3 consisting of 17,196 square metres of GFA, 36 storeys, to 234.30 metres AHD (to top of parapet and not including roof plant or architectural features);

tower 1= RL246.8 OR 153M ABOVE GRD, INCLU 15M ROOF FEATURE =168M OR RL-261.8M
TOWER 2=RL201 OR 116M ABOVE GRD,(NO ROOF FEATURE)
TOWER 3=RL234 OR 140M ABOVE GRD, INCL 15M ROOF FEATURE=155M OR RL249M

I wonder how Chatswood will rate among the tallest suburban centres in the world after the completion of the interchange towers. Maybe some taller in Toronto, Tokyo, Los Angeles. Nothing to compare in Australia

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/8941/p4291752small2bd.jpg

Fantastic news Mr C. The towers look great. I presume that the bottom left corner of the above pic is the mall area. Right?

Yeah. The Victoria St Mall. The building on the bottom left is actually a commerical building.

^yes. heres a render from east
mall is top right. looks excellent
http://img107.echo.cx/img107/9834/crifromsouth6ot.jpg

*Sigh* Mr Cul, i remember ya saying that Chatswood would never get tallies taller than Parramatta because of Chatswod's height limit. I think ya said that around September last year. :D

Go Chatty!

Lets see how long it will be before Parramatta lifts there limit to above 126m, or more importantly now, over 168m.

heres ths sydney skyline i did a while back with highest bldg rls'.
Interchange will be highest in sydney

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/5384/backupofsydneyskylinehighest4z.jpg

It's gonna look great from a distance. The Chatswood skyline is so dense, now it will have it's own Centrepoint.

It'll probably take decades before Chatswood gets another taller.

hope your not correct decades seems to long but 1 seems quite possible

It would be interesting to see how long buildings stay the tallest in a particular area.

Northpoint Tower tallest in North Sydney for 25 years.
Nokia Plaza has been tallest in Bondi Junction for 20 years, nothing bigger in the pipeline.
Commonwealth Centre tallest in Parra for 17 years, about to be beaten by 5 new buildings.
Citadel was tallest in Chatswood for 15 years.
601 Pacific Highway was St. Leonards tallest for 10 years.
Novotel tallest in Rockdale for 10 years.

Given how much taller Interchange is than Chatswood's previous tallest, I think it would be a long time before it is beaten. Hope North Sydney and Bondi Junction can come up with something bigger before to long.

^ i was told by north sydney council, that Northpoint was to be tallest and height limit is 120m. but i was also told Chatswoods 100m height limit wouldnt broken.lol

I can't understand why they would limit North Sydney to 120m. Such a good spot, and so developed already. It should reflect the CBD better. Or even surpass. No issues with airport, great views, They should something closer to 200m at the least.

totally agree

You lucky buggers, the towers look amazing.

night view>
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/Environments/edoras/Resources/CRI/Chatswood/ccleft.jpg

link to site>
http://bt5tracker.jaze.com.au/environments/edoras/sites/CRIChatswoodInterchange/index.cfm?pageid=pg713365272edoras

I wonder how Chatswood will rate among the tallest suburban centres in the world after the completion of the interchange towers. Maybe some taller in Toronto, Tokyo, Los Angeles. Nothing to compare in Australia

I'd say it will rate exceptionally well to most cities - it wont rate against Hong Kong at all however. One look at Nina Tower and the numerous appartment towers will confirm this. Los Angeles is not particularly exciting in the suburbs and I can only think of Century City that has a few decent talls outside downtown LA. Most of LA is low to mid-rise. Toronto is a little more progressive and you have places like Jersey City and Long Is City around Manhattan that are doing ok.


^ i was told by north sydney council, that Northpoint was to be tallest and height limit is 120m. but i was also told Chatswoods 100m height limit wouldnt broken.lol
It's time to remove North sydney councellors from their positions and set some new standards. I cant see why they wouldn't go for broke and remove all height controls - it could easily compete with the city and some healthy competition could see height controls also relaxed in the CBD if this occurred. We can only dream however as the prudish North sydney council seem hell bent on keeping the place in the 70s.

Love this project :D

lots of piling and excavations going on atm where the tallest tower will eventually rise atm!.

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/9834/crifromsouth6ot.jpg

lots of piling and excavations going on atm where the tallest tower will eventually rise atm!.
nice! can't wait to see some rises happening!!

Great towers that will give Chatswood more desity and some decent height. :yes:

has the construction of the apartment towers actually started - or are they just building the interchange? is there a set date for construction?

Just the interchange. Construction of apartment will begin in the year 2008-2009.

Remember, the interchange is the priority, not the apartments. Interchange is the link between Epping to Chatswood line to North Shore line.

Just the interchange. Construction of the apartments will begin in the year 2008-2009.

Remember, the interchange is the priority, not the apartments. Interchange is the link between Epping to Chatswood line to North Shore line.Well MILUX...

Wow 2x 500 footers outside of the Sydney CBD. Amazing stuff.

tower-1 168m (roof-153m)
tower-2 155m (roof-140m)
tower-3 116m

Contruction still to start the latter half of 2006 for first towerI was in Chatswood last Wednesday and there were a few track hoes on the side of the where the taller tower will rise. I would say they were doing preliminary works for it. Don't forget the 3 towers were given the go ahead about
1 1/2 months ago.

I doubt it they'll construct the apartments any time soon. At least after the opening of the new railway line.

Well MILUX...

I was in Chatswood last Wednesday and there were a few track hoes on the side of the where the taller tower will rise. I would say they were doing preliminary works for it. Don't forget the 3 towers were given the go ahead about
1 1/2 months ago.

They'll complete earthworks and piling for the towers during the interchange construction process, then build the towers, I would think.

Is any chance they might called off or delayed some time once the poduim is up ?

I highly doubt that. The developers want the apartments up in schedule. They'll be finished by 2013...that's another 8 years!! That means all 3 towers. I'll be economically sensible though to build one at a time.

first tower is scheduled to start late 2006.

first tower is scheduled to start late 2006.

Well it has to start straight after the interchange is completed.