So when does this begin then? Any news yet?

http://www.greenroofs.com/images/gf-dusty_woodwharf.jpg

http://www.aquiva.co.uk/images/Library/Photo3836.jpg

Since Canary Wharf are running the show now I asume they are going to want to wait until all the Churchill Place and Riverside South buildings are built before they start on these.

It'll probably be sooner thanks to the kerfuffle over North Quay, but it's still at least five years off. The residential element might start sooner. Who knows.

http://www.pipers.co.uk/source/models/gallery/gallerypics/wood_wharf_00.jpg

http://www.pipers.co.uk/source/models/gallery/gallerypics/wood_wharf_00.jpg

http://www.pipers.co.uk/source/models/gallery/gallerypics/wood_wharf_01.jpg

There is a new residential building over by the Churchill Place buildings in those photos.

Looks to be about 115m.

http://www.bdp.co.uk/html/news/2005/BDP_for_Wood_Wharf_Development_134.asp

These don't look too special but will sit nicely next to CW...Also the view from Greenwich will look excellent!

Great project! I looks like the streetlevel is going to be very green, and that´s good. And now CW gets its own little arch :). CW is so cool when there´s so much water around, it could be a venice of skyscrapers:). That boat in the second pic, is it already there or is it a part of the render or is going to be put there soon?

I like that little arch bit over the small dock area

These don't look too special but will sit nicely next to CW...Also the view from Greenwich will look excellent!

View from Geeenwich with Wood Wharf:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4192/future7ac.jpg

View from Greenwich now:

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/92/mypicofcwharfnight5te.jpg

From that angle CW looks very big.

I wish cities would build more supertalls in this boxey style - All the pinnacle spirey pretentious messes are fine but there's nothing better than a few supertall boxes all clustered together. Nothing..

But what´s up with the boat?

There a was thread about this about a month ago, they have plans to build a cruise-ship in CW. It won't go anywhere, it'll just be a floating hotel

I wish cities would build more supertalls in this boxey style - All the pinnacle spirey pretentious messes are fine but there's nothing better than a few supertall boxes all clustered together. Nothing..

:nuts:

I wish cities would build more supertalls in this boxey style - All the pinnacle spirey pretentious messes are fine but there's nothing better than a few supertall boxes all clustered together. Nothing..

Well London will have a cluster of boxes and a cluster of pinnacle spirey pretentious messes in a few years.

So, yeah.

That rendering of CW looks great with wood wharf in it! Cheers SE9!

I totally agree with Remusable.
CW box style scrapers look amazing even though they are not supertalls.

I don't fancy that pink part of the new development... It looks nice, but doesn't really belong in CW in my opinion...

I don't fancy that pink part of the new development... It looks nice, but doesn't really belong in CW in my opinion...

It's the residential portion and is needed to create a step down to the lowrise riverfront, and bring a bit of life and vitality to the area.

It makes a nice change and also i think the cladding will prob look a bit conservative like the rest of CW so will fit in nicely.

It's the residential portion and is needed to create a step down to the lowrise riverfront, and bring a bit of life and vitality to the area.

Yeah definately, the step down will give it a more of a classy and humane look. Also the added residents will keep the are feeling more alive and busy.

Damn Canary Wharf desperately needs to soar even more

I love this project.

Damn Canary Wharf desperately needs to soar even more

Its doing well... give the area a break ;)

*read signature* \/

Did you know...

... Canary Wharf, in London, is the Fastest Growing Financial District in the World!!?

^ Are you sure about that? What's your source?

I would've thought somewhere in Asia would claim that title - Hong Kong perhaps, or Shanghai.

Damn Canary Wharf desperately needs to soar even more

I know what you mean but I think Wood Wharf provides a nice back-drop and slight scale down whilst keeping the density and with what seems to be residential development, it should add even more life to the area.

Is Wood Wharf in the flight path of London City Airport like CW?

I think it's gonna look great! I hope to see some better renders, too. I wanna know what it is ACTUALLY going to look like, as most of the pics don't help that much.

I know what you mean but I think Wood Wharf provides a nice back-drop and slight scale down whilst keeping the density and with what seems to be residential development, it should add even more life to the area.

Is Wood Wharf in the flight path of London City Airport like CW?

sorry I should have made myself clearer.. i like the way Wood Wharf fits into the wider picture, just in the vision of Canary Wharf shown in the panorama on the previous page, the cluster as a whole desperately wants a couple or a few super talls reaching out of its dense heart... obviously its unlikely we are going to see that in the near future due to the airport but it is a bit frustrating to think that this was a blank canvas 15 years ago. I almost preferred it with just 1 cananda square!

In that case I completely agree with you. CW is too flat and a couple of much taller skyscrapers would really help lift the cluster. Even if it was simply 1 or 2 that helped lift the collection.

Damn that airport :bash:

Wood Wharf provides a nice back-drop and slight scale down whilst keeping the density and with what seems to be residential development, it should add even more life to the area.

Yep, these are precisely the reasons I love this project.

^ Are you sure about that? What's your source?

I would've thought somewhere in Asia would claim that title - Hong Kong perhaps, or Shanghai.

I should've thought it was a widely known fact, but obviousley not. :(
It snapped back into thought when regarding BBC News24, London and New York Bussiness Reports. The reporter love to boast and brag about the two cities :yes:
As for a relevent source of proof, unfortunately its out of my power to present it. All i can say is... keep an eye out for it :dunno:
Looks like your gonna have to take my word for it ;)

As for Shanghai and Hong Kong, they didnt really develop it in record breaking time. Plus they dont obtain a Complex Business Park. Canary Wharf is Londons first and only Complex Business Park - yet still second in size to the City of London.

Since Canary Wharf are running the show now I asume they are going to want to wait until all the Churchill Place and Riverside South buildings are built before they start on these.

It makes sense. BUT Canary Wharf is not alone in deciding the timeline of Wood Wharf. Ballymore has a joint-venture in it and it only has the residential Limeharbour scheme left in the pipeline in the docklands. I presume they are also keen to diversify the nature of their property portfolio with the developments of office schemes.

Jef- Dont forget Ballymore have Arrowhead quay on the books- I wouldn't be suprised that they put that in for a redesign for a taller tower as since it was approved years ago other surrounding buildings have been propposed that are taller so I doubt it would be a problem.

As far as wood wharf go I reckon its on CW & Ballymores mid-term list of things to do

With around 15,000 sqm average of new lettings each quarter at Canary Wharf (which is massive compared to other business disctricts in continental europe), and the economy forecast to grow above its long-term average, it won't take many years before new towers start to rise up in this area. Aon Corp and State Street are about to finalize their deals, BP and Bank of America have take-up more office spaces, other have unfilled requirements: TfL, Thompson Financial, BarCap, KPMG, etc. The future is bright.

http://i1.tinypic.com/of84m1.jpg

This is what id like to see, awful drawing, and i dont necessarily want them to be this shape, but something soaring in these areas with more buil either side, something curvy on the waterfront would be cool too

i love this proposal esp with the gateway building!

OH FRAGMENTOR....some child has gone and scrawled all over your lovely pic of Canary Wharf! Brat!! he he he (LOL)

Actually I concur! Also, think the airport issue will be resolved at somepoint in the future...one way or another. The airport brings in the businessmen, but CW is presigious and airports are 10 a penny. I am not suggesting it will close, but something will change...how about a slight re-alinement of the runway.

I hear you all shout, but the residents...the noise of....I am not saying it is right, but that didnt stop the building of a White collar business park in a former Blue collar zone.

If it will increase the prestige = £, a way will be found.

Looking at the previous renderings all CW needs now is a CS Tower and it would like Toronto! haha

By European standards CW is huge, so am not bothered to much if they are unable to build higher. What I want to see from CW is it to expand the cluster sideways and Woor Wharf is a good start : )

No news I'm afraid, but I found these great pics of the site.


http://i5.tinypic.com/14lit5u.jpg


http://i6.tinypic.com/14liz42.jpg

And remember, the whole of the Greenwich Peninsula is being redeveloped as well - part of a 15 year regeneration programme.

The Dome will be converted in Europe's largest indoor arena.


http://i5.tinypic.com/15gqioo.jpg

http://i4.tinypic.com/15gqix3.jpg

The Dome is such an amazing piece of architecture. It's a real shame the British public are so cynical they couldn't support it as an example of how amazing British architects are.

^^ I agree, I love the dome, and it will be really amazing in time for the olympics.

I really like the Dome but there is a lot of critiscism and people are sceptical of it because of the fiasco involved in running it during 2001. However I know alot of people who actually like the dome from an architectural viewpoint - I certainly do. And I think people will change their minds more after the conversion.

aI am so glad to hear people say all this about the dome....as always, because of politics, money and the press, it became an objectof ridicule instead of being ( I think) the biggest dome ever built and something to be proud of....a real shame. We dont know how lucky we are in this country.

The Dome will be a fantastic asset to the city when it's completed (again) next year. The plans for the O2 Arena sounds absolutely fantastic!

I really like the dome too. I hope its renovation will suit our needs better.

I emailed the developers about woodwharf asking whats going on- they said they will be consulting the public in the later part of the year & hope to have a planning application with a rogers masterplan in early 2007. So the timeframe has slipped by about 6mths

Looking forward to seeing the Rogers masterplan!

I hope we get something as good as- if not better than the grand arch in Paris.

The Dome is such an amazing piece of architecture. It's a real shame the British public are so cynical they couldn't support it as an example of how amazing British architects are.


I'm not aware of anyone criticising it architecturally.

It's criticised rightly as a waste of money and an ultimately flawed project. It's been largely unused since 2001 and costs a fortune to keep it from falling into disrepair.

As a structure/building it's impressive and fantastic. Worth £750 million though? I don't think so.

I agree with mrout. The dome is a great design but ultimately to cost a lot of money and what was inside the dome for the public during 2000 was absolute tosh.

Its potential has been wasted for years now. Did'nt it host Miss World a few years ago...if it did, says it all really!

Think about all the churches and the palaces built in the centuries gone by. At the time, that money could probably have been spent better on other things, like proper housing, sanitation etc. Was St Pauls good value for money at the time? Yet, these are the monuments we admire today. The commercial sector, for obvious economic reasons, is less of a generator of great monuments. The dome, now it has found its proper destiny will also be a monument for future generations. The problem was the poor execution with a lot of politicians involved. Anyway, I am very glad the dome is there and I do not regret the money spent on it because if it was not the dome, the money would probably have been spent on something worse (like a £20 bio NHS super-computer) ...

I emailed the developers about woodwharf asking whats going on- they said they will be consulting the public in the later part of the year & hope to have a planning application with a rogers masterplan in early 2007. So the timeframe has slipped by about 6mths

Does it mean they will submit pa for Wood Wharf East (residential) and Wood Wharf West (commercial) at the same time in early 2007 instead of phasing out the pa (stage 1: residential, stage 2: commercial). Sounds good.

when you say "rogers" are we saying Richard Rogers? if so was that earlier wood wharf plan really his, bit bland for him.

It sounds the signature element - the arch - will be replaced by a tower. The redevelopment may be closer to this with an additional tower also opposite to 20 CP (green roof in the background):

http://i13.tinypic.com/2cp2ir9.jpg

tbh, i thought the signature 'arch' tower building was a bit tacky, like something you would find in La Defence or Dubai. Lets hope for some quality, tall towers as replacement, the big blue tower below looks around 180 - 200m.

Hard to tell much from that, where did you find that jef???

yeah i agree rickster, get rid of the stupid arch, and get some talls in there. to the point of when its getting built i read that ballymore are requesting in early 2007. plus dont ballymore have the power to decide when to build it without canary wharf? im sure i read that ballymore only need to consult the wharf on this because its so close and they need to work together, if you see what i mean?

What in God's name are you talking about? I'd hardly call the Grande Arche "tacky"... you might like to know it was voted the 2nd best midrise in the world -
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=319255

This was our chance to finally have something different and quirky in the Docklands. Now we're just going to be stuck with a load of boring unimaginative slabs like everything else in the area.

Sad to see the arch go tbh. Although, admitidlly, it was a little reminiscent of La Defence, seeing something similar there would have been great!

As Fox above me said, just having "slabs" in it's place restricts the human imagination to think outside the box, pun intended.

What the hell has happened to Wood Wharf? God talk about dumbing down.

I suppose it was to be expected now with Canary Wharf onboard. Eugh.

Some old renderings from a couple of years back -




http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/1.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/2.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/3.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/4.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/5.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/6.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/7.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/8.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/9.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/10.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/11.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/12.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/13.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/14.jpg



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/woodwharf/15.jpg

id hardly say an arch is quirky and different. i do agree that wood could benefit from something different, but something thats not a blatent copy of paris. id rather see more of these slabs, so they have came to be called. i think the look of wood wharf looks different as it is with the smaller round residential towers, and the long slender towers that bend around them. just think if that arch was built we would never hear the end of it from the frenchy's

The French hardly invented arches.

The Wood Wharf one was completely different from the Paris one. It like the old argument about London Bridge Tower and that being a copy of the Transamerica Tower in San Francisco. Just because they're using the same geometric shape doesn't make it a copy.

id hardly say an arch is quirky and different. i do agree that wood could benefit from something different, but something thats not a blatent copy of paris. id rather see more of these slabs, so they have came to be called. i think the look of wood wharf looks different as it is with the smaller round residential towers, and the long slender towers that bend around them. just think if that arch was built we would never hear the end of it from the frenchy's

I completly agree with you, thats what I always thought. Yeah sure the French didnt invent arches, but their La Defense development is dominated by that grand arch or whatever it is called. Lets not just try to do the same in CW.

What exactly was wrong with the old Wood Wharf masterplan?

Here's the Arc de la Defense

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Grande_arche_de_la_defense.jpg/300px-Grande_arche_de_la_defense.jpg

The Wood Wharf Arch building was so completely different to that! Arc de la Defense is much more scuputural and taller. It's a very nice building and ok, out of the two, it is a much better building that the Wood Wharf Arch was going to be.

But, the arch was something *different* for Canary Wharf. It would've added a bit of character to it and made it interesting again. Now, we're just gonna get Heron Quays (Phase 2). Yawn.

Checking with the original masterplan as well, it also looks like they're cutting back on the amount of open water on the site. There were meant to be moorings and stuff under the arch. Now, the latest plan doesn't have anything there.

I suspect it's been changed because big businesses don't really want that sort of building though. They don't want to have to go up, across and back down again to get from an office on the 3rd floor, north leg to an office on the 3rd floor, south leg.

Shame. Once again it shows the difference between Canary Wharf and The City though.

I much prefer the new masterplan. I hated the Dublo-esk half hearted copy of the La Defence arch (which is sublime). It would have been embarassing every day it stood, vindication for any Frenchman who thought our restaurants were all MacDonalds and our architecture designed to match. I also hated the way the water was laid out and the awkward continuation of the open space from CW through a swivel to end nowhere in particular. Utter shite. If there is to be a grand corridor it can't have a kink at the end!

To me this is the far more intelligent design. This is once again something to look forward to.

It sounds the signature element - the arch - will be replaced by a tower. The redevelopment may be closer to this with an additional tower also opposite to 20 CP (green roof in the background):

http://i13.tinypic.com/2cp2ir9.jpg

Jef - where did you find this image??

It looks a bit messy to be a Richard Rogers masterplan. The quality of the image/massing doesn't look like Rogers either. Is this an early rough cut???

I agree, the loss of the arch is not too dmamging to the proposal, and at least there are two extra towers to make up fot it, which bulks up the density by quite a bit.

Wasn´t there suppose to be some kind of yacht too?

no the yacht is a hotel called the sunborn. it changes position every so often.

where did you find this image??

WSP. Summer 2006.

Is this an early rough cut???

Absolutely.

Shame. I rather liked the arch. I think it's a bit ridiculous to claim that we shouldn't have an arch anywhere in London because there's one in Paris. Density still looks good though.

I think the new masterplan is much better, but still the relationship with the dock seems to be missed again.
The Dock should pehaps be slightly remodelled/ landscaped and integrated with the buildings so as to relate more to the water and not just another unapproachable zone with railings as much of Canary Wharf has done.
The arch to me was a bit of a strange design and really more suited to somewhere like Dubai, but i do think there is an opportunity here to do something different to the Wharf's rather conservative approach to urban planning.

I don't know what the height limit is at CW (I'm presuming around 230m / the height of 1CS), but I think the Wood Wharf site has great potential for another height limit tower to the edge of the site near the the water (dome side). Perhaps the airport would object, but a quality tower with a good design (something like Rogers tower proposed for the World Trade Centre site) would look great and give something different to the CW site, that and a few mid-rises, or perhaps on 150 - 200m tower would be good.

its a nice thought but they wouldnt do it because ballymore want the buildings riverside to be shorter than those closer to cw, for the reason it makes the view from the east(looking from the dome side) more inviting and approachable. well thats the main reason i think.

no the yacht is a hotel called the sunborn. it changes position every so often.

No - that's at the Royal Docks. There is a proposal for a yacht hotel to be moored permanently across the dock from Wood Wharf by a company called Chrome Castle. It's twice as big as Sunborn

The new LBTH local development framework will be submitted to the Secratary of State on the 8th November 2006 (consultation: 6 weeks).

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/data/planning/data/planning-policy/downloads/aap/hr/iod.pdf

Here is a copy of what we usually refer to as "Canary Wharf" where

ID 51 and ID 52 are 5, 10, and 20 Churchill Place
ID 50 is 15 Canada Square
ID 5 is Wood Wharf
ID 1 is North Quay
ID2 is Billingsgate Market: the preferred use of the eastern part will be residential whereas the preferred use of the western Part adjacent to North Quay is employment/offices.
ID 2 is Hertsmere House/Columbus Tower
ID 38 is Riverside
ID 58 is Traflgar Way (the Mc Donald's)
ID 12 is Heron Quay (offices)
ID 57 i s 1 Park Place (offices)

http://i13.tinypic.com/2n6w8ao.jpg

and policies reg. skyscrapers:

http://i13.tinypic.com/315e6wg.jpg

disappointed to hear that they plan on declaring One Canada Square as the 'best' tower there is and the best tower there ever will be in Canary Wharf.

OCS's position means it will always be 'the' central figure. I dont think they have to artificially limit the height (and status/quality/design) in order not to 'offend' the position of OCS.

OCS is a (high quality) mediocre tower, but everything else will required to be of a lower standard.

I think this is a shame and unnecessary.

I do not understand it that way.

I also agree with LBTH that 1CS must remain the tallest structure in the isle of dogs.

Well, with the height limits in the area, it would make sense to leave 1CS as the pinnacle. The only other place that would suit is in between "ID52" and Citigroup. I'm guessing that 1CS is pretty close to the limits anyway so anything taller would just stretch out the block of buildings.

^^ Wow, you've been here a long time Lance, i've never seen you before, you must be a real lurker... (you know whats coming...)

:lurker:

I make the odd post here and there. Seem to have lost about 300 posts from my count and my avatar picture.... but there you go. Anyway, hello!

Can anyone put up a render of the original CW designs- before the height reductions - I can just about remember them but would be curious to be reminded of what we missed out on!

I really dont think that OCS needs to be the tallest in order to be the 'centre' or the 'pinnacle' (conceptually).

I also do not think that (aesthetically) heights should be limited in this area. The interpret the entire point of the docklands project as a growth area where tall buildings are acceptable.

OCS is already flanked by two buildings which are only slightly shorter. This does little to create a true 'pinnacle' as it produces much more of a flat roof effect. The floor plates of the canada square buildings are large and therefore the buildings do appear squater than they need to.

I wouldnt reject Columbus for being too tall, i wouldnt require it to cut down its' height either.

A height restriction to 'protect' OCS is arbitrary and not in the best interests of the area.

(these arguments have nothing to do with the imposed restrictions due to flight paths etc... that's a different issue entirely)

^^ i agree, ocs has a very prestigious look and due to its position will always have centre stage status. columbus if built would have been a great addition regardless its height, and would never have aquired attention away from ocs. when north quey is built it will have a height of 215metres, not too far from ocs, and inevitably there will be higher buildings built in the future.(well hopefuly) if the height problem lies entirely on city airport perhaps cw could build higher further south of the estate.

Can anyone put up a render of the original CW designs- before the height reductions - I can just about remember them but would be curious to be reminded of what we missed out on!

You mean these? -


http://simonward.com/build/large/dockdev/wood.jpg


http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/9wood_wharf_massing.jpg

No I think he means the original Canary Wharf Designs...before 1CS etc. I remember a render of twin towers where HSBC and Citycorps are now.

Credit Suisse First Boston Building

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/4297CreditSuisseFirstBostonBuilding_pic1.jpg

Would have been 250m

Chintzy.

YEs...I remember there were meant to be twin 600ft towers either side, so we gained there as the incumbents are about 700ft!

Thanks guys! -I did actually mean the original 1980,s CW scheme - the one that Prince Charles put his oar into. I don't recall seeing that render before ,I seem to remember something taller (over 300m) and more slender with two towers either side.

There was a wooden model of the original masterplan that was carted around the island before construction started. Olympia and York were very much into the community/public relations charade at the time.

Anybody any news about Wood Wharf? Should the Rogers masterplan not have been finished by now? With residential prices at current levels would they not want to start that stage in 2007 or 2008?

The masterplan has been approved I think. The detailed planning application will be submitted in Q1 2007 and construction could start in 2008 at the earliest. The development has been delayed because the joint venture did(does?) not (yet) own all the lands to go ahead.

The masterplan has been approved I think. The detailed planning application will be submitted in Q1 2007 and construction could start in 2008 at the earliest. The development has been delayed because the joint venture did(does?) not (yet) own all the lands to go ahead.

Jef - With all the different masterplans posted above, do you know what is now the final masterplan?

DEL

the two pictures will posted are the same masterplan. this is what has been approved. the scheme is now being individually designed.

Im sure Rogers has been working on a new masterplan- That was the original one drawn up by other architects for British Waterways.

Rogers has been working on the new plan for a while now (since summer 2005) along with BDP who were due to design the first phase of the residential element. It was due to go into planning this Autumn but this has now been pushed back to the first quarter of 2007.

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This bit of news from Propertyweek -July 2005

Architect Richard Rogers has won the race to pick up one of the most prestigious masterplans in the country, the £2bn Wood Wharf scheme in London Docklands.

The 8 ha site is the biggest to be developed in the area since Canary Wharf and would create a new quarter in one of the capital’s fastest growing areas.

The Richard Rogers Partnership is understood to be on the point of being selected from an undisclosed shortlist. The client for the scheme is a 50:50 joint venture between British Waterways, which is a public corporation, and private developers Canary Wharf and Ballymore.

Canary Wharf and Ballymore were picked as preferred development partners in January. Other bids were entered by British Land, Grosvenor and Stanhope.

RRP has been working with the private sector developers on the designs but is now about to be appointed by British Waterways as well. A source at the firm said RRP would advance an initial masterplan for the site completed by Bath architect Nick Kuhn two years ago.

The source said: “There are obviously constraints from the original masterplan but we will be looking at the overall site again.”

Kuhn’s masterplan has been enshrined in Tower Hamlets council’s supplementary planning guidance. It provides for at least 460,000 m2 of floorspace, of which 330,000 m2 will be commercial and 120,000 m2 residential.

Stuart Mills, British Waterways’ head of property, refused to be drawn on the appointment but said the masterplanner would be joined by other architects to design individual phases in future.

He said: “This kind of site seldom becomes available. It has the potential to become a world-class opportunity, and we are looking for something quite special.”

Mills added that the client was aiming to submit an outline planning application in the middle of next year, with the intention of starting building 18 months from now.

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From BDP architects

"It will follow on from the development of a masterplan prepared by Richard Rogers Partnership, working with BDP as public space and placemaking consultant. BDP will also carry out an environmental impact assessment of the masterplan site.

The plan will transform the eight hectare docklands site with new homes, offices, shops, a hotel, a working waterway and open space.

The fast track programme requires an outline planning application for the masterplan, with a simultaneous detailed application for the phase 1 element, to be made within 15 months."

Im sure Rogers has been working on a new masterplan- That was the original one drawn up by other architects for British Waterways.

Rogers has been working on the new plan for a while now (since summer 2005) along with BDP who were due to design the first phase of the residential element. It was due to go into planning this Autumn but this has now been pushed back to the first quarter of 2007.

London Lad - thank you. So that means that with a bick of luck they will be constructing stage 1 in 2008....

JCG- Possibly-
I remebered I had an email from britishwaterways way back in the year & they said they hope to consult & submit early next year & get a planning application not long after.

BUT CW & Ballymore are both busy with all there other schemes so who knows for sure. Although seeing as the resi element is the first in for planning it could start in 2008.

Just to recap what each is doing at present & in 2007

CWG-
CP buildings
12 Canada Square
RS

Ballymore-
Ontario
Crossharbour
Arrowhead Quay
Pipeline-
Mastmaker (has Planning permission)O
44 storey Ontario tower ( in planning)
Leamouth Pensinsula (In planning)
Minoco Wharf (In planning)
Wapping Gate (In planning)

So both have quite a bit with planning permission or in for planning. So where Wood Wharf sits in this pipeline may depend on how quickly they can start these schemes. Leamouth & Minoco are both massive schemes as well.

Quick off-topic question -- are master-plans done by architects usually, and not planners?? I was thinking of a career change to planning to do urban layouts, etc, but it seems the architects do it all :((

In their interim results, CW reported an outline planning application for the entire Wood Wharf site is expected by the first quarter 2007.

Quick off-topic question -- are master-plans done by architects usually, and not planners?? I was thinking of a career change to planning to do urban layouts, etc, but it seems the architects do it all :((


I would guess that the architects have the practical skills and knowledge of what is realisitc for the budget offered as opposed to a dream.

Quick off-topic question -- are master-plans done by architects usually, and not planners?? I was thinking of a career change to planning to do urban layouts, etc, but it seems the architects do it all :((

I'm not going to say their's no point doing architecture, but really do consider engineering.

I'm not going to say their's no point doing architecture, but really do consider engineering.

Engineering sets the boundaries of what is possible... best is the combination of an engineering and archectural degree in my opinion. But my parents only allowed me to take the former. Unfortunately in this country engineers are not always respected unless you move into the financial industry. My dream yet remains to take up real engineering work one day again.. I probably need some retooling. Engineering degrees are perfect... it allows you to work anywhere... derivatives in the City, which is one of the highest earning areas, is an engineers club.

Unfortunately in this country engineers are not always respected unless you move into the financial industry.

Sounds very familiar. I did mech eng at uni with the intention of a career as an engineer in the car industry. Realised in my final year that there was little money and scarce opportunities in the engineering industry and ended up working for one of the big 4 accountancy firms. The amazing thing was that about half of my year group were also engineering graduates!

Sounds very familiar. I did mech eng at uni with the intention of a career as an engineer in the car industry. Realised in my final year that there was little money and scarce opportunities in the engineering industry and ended up working for one of the big 4 accountancy firms. The amazing thing was that about half of my year group were also engineering graduates!

In the City we call ourselves the "financial engineers" and in fact it has become a rather prestigious term. You call yourselves the "accountancy engineers"? I love accounts engineering. :)

In all seriousness UK universities are excellent in engineering, we still send them our mathematical problems (most of our pricing models are derived from physics such as Black Scholes), but there are just not enough students coming out of them. Then we get these people with an economics degree and they fall over as soon as they see a differential equation...:ohno:

The worst remains law degrees though....

Thanks, but maths is not my strong point and neither my interest so I doubt i'd be able to get through an engineering degree at this point.

Exbass -- what do you think about studying architecture? Planning, or Development are other options, or perhaps transport planning, but that could be a bit dull...don't really know what thats about yet.

Exbass -- what do you think about studying architecture? Planning, or Development are other options, or perhaps transport planning, but that could be a bit dull...don't really know what thats about yet.

It's eXSBass ;)

I just sent of for Universities. Going Uni next year. Just applied for my courses.
I was hell bent on doing Architecture. I did the works. You know, prepared my port folio, wrote down what I will write in my UCAS. Etc. I was literally, as vain as it sounds, the perfect architecture applicant.
But then I learnt a few facts. When you've completed your 7 year degree in architecture you don't go and do the exciting jobs you'd thought you'd do. At best, a practice will give a newly graduated architect to decide where a window might go, or where a door might go. Not the exciting stuff like working in a team and designing a stadium with a capacity of 200,000 people. Or designing a mid rise with a team. With architecture, in order for you to do even qualify to do the big jobs you need to live, breathe, eat and think about architecture whilst making love to your partner. And not even that, it's not uncommon to do extra work on your days off in the practice to catch up on deadlines.
Architecture is very, very demanding. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to put you off, but i'm merely stating the facts.

With engineering however, I believe it's another world! The reason I chose to apply to Mechanical Engineering as apposed to architecture is because of the diversity of the course. A graduated engineer is more likely to minor work on a big project that say a graduated architect.
Engineers HAVE to work with Architects. It's the engineers that solve the problems behind buildings, with architects. If an architect sent plans for anything, an engineer would have to look at the plans and say "Look, i'm not happy with this and that. Move that there, and get this here and your building will be safe." It's the architects that deal with the aesthetics. Although, architects do solve some engineering problems, they're usually minor ones. Where should this beam go? How much will this building sway?

Furthermore, with Mechanical Engineering, if you don't like say the civil part of things. You can move elsewere! That's the beauty! An engineer could be working on Shard: London Bridge on the 25th December, but the same engineer could be working on an Airbus A380 the following week! With engineering you could go into airoplanes, cars, buildings, product design, literally anything!

I got told something that greatly changed my mind and made me open up to new things:
"You will never become a millionaire from engineering, but you will get something worth much more, an interesting and rewarding career that you will never tire of."

That's why I chose Engineering over Architecture.

four of y friends are architects. One is a U S American from Georgetown, and had been desigining for years. His most exiting project in all those years (IMO) was to do a two storey office building the size of a couple of semi detached houses. Only the big guns get to even assist on towers, but I think you get bigger projects working directly for local authorities

It's eXSBass ;)


Engineers HAVE to work with Architects. It's the engineers that solve the problems behind buildings, with architects. If an architect sent plans for anything, an engineer would have to look at the plans and say "Look, i'm not happy with this and that. Move that there, and get this here and your building will be safe." It's the architects that deal with the aesthetics.
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When I think of the World Trade Centre, I think of the Chief Engineer Mr G Robinson, I do not think of the architect (Japanese US American). Robinson thought of moving the beams to the outside to make the building possible....

Ive just had my year out and have been involved in some very exciting projects where my role extended from model making, initial design sketches, cad, detailed design (which for me is the most enjoyable and where a project makes the leap from a 'building' to being architecture) and the list goes on. If you have ambition and are reasonably competant then theres no way you will be stuck doing window placements for too long.

One thing I would warn potential architecture students about is that whilst it is incredably enjoyable and rewarding, the commitment is vast in terms of the amount of time spent doing work at uni. It is not uncommon for me to spend the entire night working in the studio. Having said that, the atmosphere is amazing and I find that the group of people are really close. Also, the earnings in relation to the investment of time and money in the degree are not a patch on other professions such as accounting and Law. But I wouldnt change what im doing for the world as it is a wonderful course doing something im really passionate about.

Hope that helps someone!

Posted by london lad in the other thread. Seems to suggest this has been put back another year -


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9352/cwdevelopmentcriu5.jpg

It doesn't really- It just says planning anticipated by 2009. I checked with the people from British waterways towards the end of last year & they said it was still on course for the full masterplan & planning applications to go in for the first half of this year. It was due to go in towards the Q4 of last year but got pushed back.

Yes, Will, it has been delayed by at least one year. Construction was anticipated to start in 2008 (see CW annual report 2006). They have enough
in the pipeline with RS and NQ.

When you talk about Wood Wharf being constructed, does this mean that every building will go up at once, or will they build in stages?

Stages.

I think that it will be pushed further up the pipeline because Canary Wharf are partners in this scheme not the sole developer.

British Waterways will want to make money from this scheme sooner rather than later so I imagine they might get a bit impatient waiting for Canary Wharf to build out almost their entire portfolio first.

Didn't know if these had been seen yet:

http://www.pipers.co.uk/media/models/040806123312_17_17_1_17_2_17_3.jpg

http://www.pipers.co.uk/media/models/040806123312_17_17_1_17_2.jpg

http://www.pipers.co.uk/media/models/040806123312_17_17_1.jpg

http://www.pipers.co.uk/media/models/040806123414_17_4.jpg

Bit old I think.

As far as I was aware the arch had been dropped.

Yes...arch was dropped...to much for us apparently! :)

Bit old I think.

As far as I was aware the arch had been dropped.

I know. I just thought everyone should have a chance to see the models.

I think they were thinking of dropping the arch and we automatically assumed they did?

What does the PP say?

It has yet to be submitted.

If this becomes another set of stale glass boxes I'll be mortified. Lets wait for the planning app....and if it's not spectacular, lets start a petition against it.

I love Canary Wharf, but the area is in danger of becoming an architectural disaster. Wood Wharf could be it's saviour!

I think so too , though i have a feeling if canary wharf are involved we will have more of the same....yawn. It still seems to be stuck in the eighties in my opinion and needs to get away from right angles and embrace.....A CURVE! for once.

Putting crazy curved buildings now in Canary Wharf wouldn't work. Boxes are fine, what we should be hoping for is interesting and good cladding.

ok maybe not a curve but a building thats not square and its massing far more creative would help.

Putting crazy curved buildings now in Canary Wharf wouldn't work. Boxes are fine, what we should be hoping for is interesting and good cladding.

Why? Wouldn't a nice curve or angle act as a good juxtaposition to the boxes? It oculd be exactly what's needed. I stand at my bus stop sometimes on Bank Street surrounded by the boxes and just despair - arhitecture should be bout inspiration, not just function. I'm not saying we should have 'Sky Scraper Disney' as the city is heading (controversial I know) but a bit of visual interest would be good!

It's a shame the arch had been dropped, as it harks back to the Georgian & Victorian vision of London. That render made the buildings look like they were made of plastic, and very white and imperial as well. Does anyone know if wood wharf was ever used as a druid settlement?

It's a shame the arch had been dropped, as it harks back to the Georgian & Victorian vision of London. That render made the buildings look like they were made of plastic, and very white and imperial as well.

Yeah the joint venture BW/CW/Ballymore will build there the first white plastic georgian towers in London.

Yeah the joint venture BW/CW/Ballymore will build there the first white plastic georgian towers in London.

:lol:

it appears the arch has been dropped, yes

It sounds the signature element - the arch - will be replaced by a tower. The redevelopment may be closer to this with an additional tower also opposite to 20 CP (green roof in the background):

http://i13.tinypic.com/2cp2ir9.jpg

I'd say this suggests the arch has been dropped. Or did Jef make it up??

I'd say this suggests the arch has been dropped. Or did Jef make it up??

I'm sure he has better things to do than go making things up, lol.

I don't like the fact that render shows the 3 tallest towers exactly the same height. We could have another Heron Quays on our hands if that plan is submitted. I'd much rather the arch, as it was the signature for the Wood Wharf development, and a big architectural step forwards for CW area :) .

I liked the arch - I love CW but agree it could use some different shapes to liven things up a little architechturally, without being too wacky.

It dates back to summer 2006. I suspect Ballymore is willing to replicate New Providence Wharf at the eastern part of the site - the residential phase.

i understand that the project is moving along, with the Wood Wharf Partnership securing bank funding of around £8m to fund the planning application process, and purchase a series of plots in the proposed scheme which are currently privately owned.

As jef has alluded to, timescales are pushed back a little, but the planning application will be submitted later this year.

I can give or take the arch. the scheme will be enormous on its own, nevermind combining with the existing estate.

At least it looks like 4 towers of around 140m, and a couple of them are thin on that massing plan plus a few resi towers also - be interesting to see the final designs - but it will bulk the cluster nicely to the east.

Let's try to stay on topic please, I've just had to delete about 50 posts.

Let's try to stay on topic please, I've just had to delete about 50 posts.

that was stupid, completely was on topic. We were talking about the connection between architecture and politics rather than the usual. made an interesting change without being off topic.

u should have left the posts. Its a discussion forum not a high school classroom.

that was stupid, completely was on topic. We were talking about the connection between architecture and politics rather than the usual. made an interesting change without being off topic.

u should have left the posts.

agree was having a good discussion there! it would've gotten back on topic eventually.

will can b like that

the Discussion wasnt really on the building though was it? sometimes its fine if it go's off the building but has links with it, but if it goes too far then yeah either delete it or just create a seperate thread out of it.

The comments I made about the use of a modern arch & the connection with London's past was on topic. I'll know not to fucking bother wasting time on your thread, headmaster.

I agree with the above posters - tangents can often lead to the best dicussions and it is wrong to view architecture as simply pretty buildings.

I agree with the above posters - tangents can often lead to the best dicussions and it is wrong to view architecture as simply pretty buildings.

Same here. I find as much interest in reading hard facts and updates as in reading architectural or historical perspectives.

Oh Dear! I am the first to go off topic! I have turned the Shard thread temporarily into 'look at my pic' thread! :) but that cam eabout becuae I thought another forumer had appeared at an event and was picured.

Will, you normally come on and remind us to get back t topic. I am a bit surpsied, though..any chace of getting those posts back if people are upset?

I have noticed a lot of irritation around one new forumer, lets not let that spoil things though

without being egotistical that noob is probably me (?) I don't think it was irritation, its a forum, people come here to debate and change ideas. i certainly wasn't out to irritate people. Its just a discussion. people might have been disagreeing but we're all adults, no1 was being horrible or overbearing :)

If i did come across as a prick then i didnt mean to. certainly not out to spoil anything. its not like i removed about 50 posts coz they wern't cencentrated soley on Wood wharf. ;)

^^^ bless your heart! its not you! FAr from it :) Its a matter of continual multi posting & self quoting etc! It would be wrong to say who...Ill IM you

You are almost as paranoid as me!

JUst a pic for the sake of it!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/randolphryeder/Picture300.jpg

Wood Wharf is plagued with delays. Outline planning applications expected in
2007 (instead of Q1 2007 as previously announced).

Still a long long way off.

JUst a pic for the sake of it!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/randolphryeder/Picture300.jpg

thats taken from new cross right? i assume that squiggly thing is the sculpture on top of goldsmiths?

Wood Wharf is plagued with delays. Outline planning applications expected in
2007 (instead of Q1 2007 as previously announced).

Still a long long way off.

Eh?

and-r, it's the top of the Ben Pimlott building, designed by crazy Will Alsop.

construction I should have said. Do they own all the lands now?

construction I should have said. Do they own all the lands now?

I understand....so no dates for a start date?

Last year they anticipated construction to commence in 2008.
Last week they haven't given any indication about a start date.

Start noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And bring the arch back!!!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/67257282_f7713c19ca.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/67257358_c3261b13ec.jpg?v=0

It annoys me that 'so called' architects have got the scale of RS so wrong on that model!

The scale of Riverside South looks ok to me. It's the old design on the model.
The Bank Street towers are 10m too high though.

Riverside South is on lower ground so the old design always looked shorter compared to the triplets.

^^^^^ it is wrong...you need to see the model from the other way (which is on here somewhere) Ill try and find it

Is the Heron Tower model fixed, When me and Dan1987 went there some idiot broke off the Spire.

I like the way the buildings stem down to a low-rise scale but im worried that in future that will just result in everything new being proposed being to the same scale and height, I think WW needs to have one pinnacle building to rival the heights of the CW big three just to elimate the chance of no other talls being built in the area... thats my beef anyway :S

Is the Heron Tower model fixed, When me and Dan1987 went there some idiot broke off the Spire.

Wonder who did that? ;)

Wonder who did that? ;)

"Whistles"

Bit of news from An interview with one of the main guys at Ballymore in the FT

This summer, Ballymore and partners Canary Wharf and British Waterways will put in an application for 6m sq ft of development at Wood Wharf, on the edge of the Canary Wharf complex. Yet Mr Mulyran, a 52-year-old with a shock of longish hair and a gentle, undemonstrative manner, is at pains to emphasise that his company is not just about one corner of London.

It has landbanks dotted throughout the UK capital and elsewhere in Britain. These include Bishopsgate Goodsyard, where the group is planning a 3.5m sq ft development alongside Hammerson. In total, Ballymore has 52 projects, of which 32 are in the UK.

Not long now then guys:)

I thought they already submitted their app

Here's how Wood Wharf (the top part anyway!) looked in 1992, with the eastern edge of the CW estate before the current bridges were built and parts of the docks were drained (and my mate's mini is in there somewhere!)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa164/SELondoner/WoodWhf-800w.jpg

Doesn't look much different now.

true for the right side of the picture (the wood wharf part) but the left side couldn't be more different - with Barclays and all the other churchill place buildings now in construction in the front, the huge boardwalk place residential area at blackwall basin in the middle and the whole New Province wharf/Ontario Tower complex in the back. With changes about as big as this planned for the right hand side of the picture we've got a lot to look forward too!

The area with the houses with the red roofs looks so beautiful, similar to something you would find in the meditarian(spelt wrong me thinks, lol) with the trees and water surrounding them. well thats how it looks from that aerial shot anyway. :)

dont know if there staying or not, theres going to be a lot of changes to the landscape, i think part of one of the locks is going to be reclaimed for buildings, and it will look much better!

looks good...

I have not heard much about this project since 2005, but either construction of the Wood Wharf (including the 140-metre towers) may begin in late 2007 or the project may be cancelled.

I have not heard much about this project since 2005, but either construction of the Wood Wharf (including the 140-metre towers) may begin in late 2007 or the project may be cancelled.

And your basis of this is????

I have not heard much about this project since 2005, but either construction of the Wood Wharf (including the 140-metre towers) may begin in late 2007 or the project may be cancelled.

It is not cancelled. The question is not whether it will be built. It will. The question is when.

Because of the delays associated with Crossrail and the construction of the isle of dogs station EDF had to delay the construction of the electrical substation at North Quay. Without this substation it is unlikely Wood Wharf will be built or they will have to find another place to build the substation.

Another problem is that British Waterways is mulling to pull out of the joint venture with Ballymore and Canary Wharf.

A third problem is that the joint venture does not own all the lands. Hammerson for example owns some land at Harbour Quay and they did plan to build a tower there before withdrawing their application. They will have to find an arrangement with the joint venture for this to go ahead.

Finally the development pipeline of Ballymore is full whereas Songbird/Canary Wharf only has a 25% interest in Wood Wharf. Hence the focus of CW on Riverside and Heron Quays that they entirely own (British Land is a large shareholder in it as well).

The planning application for Wood Wharf is due this summer and I do not expect construction before a while because of the reasons outlined above.

Last point: Riverside South and Heron Quays West are the last devdlopments this part of the Docklands can accomodate without Crossrail.

The Wood Wharf Partnership has submitted a revised pa to relocate the existing C&W network facility in the south west corner of Wood wharf.

This relocation "enables the comprehensive redevelopment proposals for Wood Wharf to come forward in accordance with the framework set ou in the adopted Masterplan".

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=85C2E3DF8B64F929D7F3129F52D998B2?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/07/1849

Found this earlier masterplan on squire & partners website. Thought I was looking at the Columbus tower at first.

http://i21.tinypic.com/2uhq1ky.jpg

Should see images of the real masterplan in the next 2 mths.

^^ Columbus twin! Looks cool!!!

That would have been amazing!

~The site still needs a rounded top somewhere

I really hope they put some inspiring architecture on this site - no more square boxes. Lets wait to see the plans - and all complain to Ken Livingstone and Tower Hamlets if we're not satified! A Columbus style tower would be excellent!

A Columbus style tower would be excellent!

An exact replica would be impossible as there are height limits there. But I agree a shorter tower in the same style would be good.

The original 168 fenchurch street plan could work wonders here.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/70168FenchurchStreet_pic1.jpg
At 144m its the right sort of hight, close to the heron quays wall but not too close.

The original 168 fenchurch street plan could work wonders here.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/70168FenchurchStreet_pic1.jpg
At 144m its the right sort of hight, close to the heron quays wall but not too close.

Eurgh - such a dull squat building. I think Wood Wharf is the right place for some more imaginative thinking than that. A mix of slim, Columbus-style towers and some buildings that really embrace the waterfont, like the Valencia Chipperfield. I know that's wishful thinking...

The original 168 fenchurch street plan could work wonders here.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/70168FenchurchStreet_pic1.jpg
At 144m its the right sort of hight, close to the heron quays wall but not too close.

Eurgh - such a dull squat building. I think Wood Wharf is the right place for some more imaginative thinking than that. A mix of slim, Columbus-style towers and some buildings that really embrace the waterfont, like the Valencia Chipperfield. I know that's wishful thinking...

For those interested in this development - there's an exhibition about the proposals and workshops held in CW by the end of this month:
http://www.woodwharf.com/consultation.php

i lke the idea of comtinuing the canary wharf cluster to the other side of the isl of dogs, one day it would make a nice walk :P from one side to the other through a mini city of skyscrapers.

have they screpped the building that was kind of like a gate to the main cluster? i remember it to look like an upside down U but not round atall.

For those interested in this development - there's an exhibition about the proposals and workshops held in CW by the end of this month:
http://www.woodwharf.com/consultation.php

excellent find, and encouraging to see the project taking a step forward like this.

hopefully one or two of our forumers can go and get some pics of that exhibition - let's just hope they haven't reduced the height of the high-rise element, or proposed something... rubbish. :)

So this will site beyond the current entry gates to Canary Wharf ?
There is a large building over the road that quiet strange !

websites been updated (no new images ..yet) with info on consultation. I would expect it would be updated when the planning application finally goes in (its only what 2 yrs late already!!)

http://www.woodwharf.com/

Still the consultation starts next monday so im sure there will be plans on show

Looking at the web site Oh i know where this all is now it gives a good idea of where it is. Will have to go down and get some photos and look around before it all changes. Now realise how big the site is. Great I though that CW was almost done !

http://www.woodwharf.com/images/core/site_area_main.jpg

Oh and looking back now at the thread I see there is talk saying the arch has been dropped :'(

These cranes are listed right?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/307132481_7dd0717628_b.jpg

i think that even if they weren't any designer would want to incoroprate them into a waterfront feature..


but yea i think they are listed sum1 mentioned it a long way back in the thread.

Will there be any expanssion of the land on the site ?

Jobs on the way at huge scheme

Nov 15 2007

By John Hill

CANARY Wharf's most ambitious development will cater for up to 20,000 more jobs.

Plans for the seven-hectare Wood Wharf development will be revealed to the public on Monday (November 19), with developers promising a major new community park for the area east of the main part of the estate.

The scheme will also feature homes, offices and a new high street of shops and cafes.

The Wood Wharf Limited Partnership, which incorporates Canary Wharf Group, Ballymore Properties and British Waterways, hopes to be able to submit a planning application early next year.

Chief operating officer Damian Wisniewski said: "Wood Wharf has the potential to deliver thousands of new homes and jobs for the Isle of Dogs and London.


"It will create a fully integrated mixed use development which will enhance Canary Wharf's reputation as one of the world's most vibrant business centres."

not an idle boast there! Monday it is, will be looking forward to it.

I took a photo of the ground work being carried out for riverside south this week, just added it to the buildings wiki page. It's 4 images merged together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_South_%28Canary_Wharf%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/MG_8359b.jpg

http://winstainforth10.foliosnap.com/?goto=londonnightsbeta&thumbs=ok

Rob

^^ Post it here! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=408708&page=54 Thanks!

^^ Post it here! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=408708&page=54 Thanks!

done.

From PW

Canary introduces 6.5m sq ft Wood Wharf neighbour

16.11.07

Canary Wharf, Ballymore and British Waterways up office content for Docklands mega-scheme

By Deirdre Hipwell

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Outline plans were unveiled yesterday for a multibillion-pound development in London’s Docklands, hailed as one of the most significant in the capital over the next decade.

The Wood Wharf Partnership revealed plans for the 6.5m sq ft Wood Wharf, to the east of the Canary Wharf estate, as a two-week public exhibition on the scheme began.

Wood Wharf, which is being developed by a joint venture between Canary Wharf Group, British Waterways and Irish group Ballymore, will feature 1,400 new homes, a ’significant number’ of which will be affordable, and 4.8m sq ft of offices.

There will also be leisure facilities and a community park providing enhanced access to the waterfront with additional moorings and a new canal.

A new high street with a range of shops, cafes and restaurants will run through the centre of the development.

Canary Wharf Group will develop the commercial element of the scheme while Ballymore will develop the residential. Canary Wharf and Ballymore each have a 25% interest in the development vehicle, while site freeholder British Waterways has a 50% share.
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The revised plans for Wood Wharf include a greater element of office space than was originally planned three years ago when proposals for the 17 acre site were first mooted.

A portion of the office element is likely to be developed in the first phase, and residential development is taking place at a later stage.

A source at Canary Wharf said the scheme ’reflected the right balance’ and that it was confident that there would be sufficient occupational demand for offices in Docklands.

The source said Canary Wharf Group would be looking to buy further sites near the estates for both office and residential development.

Damian Wisniewski, chief operating officer of Wood Wharf Partnership, said: ’Wood Wharf is a key strategic regeneration project for London, complementing both the Thames Gateway and the development of the Olympic zone.’

A public consultation is under way to examine issues such as the design of the scheme and ensure the masterplan meets the development principles established in Tower Hamlets council’s supplementary planning guidance for Wood Wharf, which were adopted in 2003.

An outline planning application is to be submitted to Tower Hamlets early next year. Architect Rogers Stirk Harbour & Partners and landscape designer Martha Schwartz Partners designed the masterplan.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46p05canarywharfpicun1.jpg)

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Think the idea of a high street is great, It will make this area more urban and hopefully knit together the high rise elements. Will be interesting to see more images though. But please why so blocky? surely someone should take away the rulers from the canary wharf planners, architecture has moved on!

^^If it ends up like that vision should be fantastic! I love the tall slender tower! Will really add greatly to the quality of CW which will look like a north American city transported to the east of London! :banana:

^^If it ends up like that vision should be fantastic! I love the tall slender tower! Will really add greatly to the quality of CW which will look like a north American city transported to the east of London! :banana:


Gosh - Lots of squares. not a slope or curve in sight - how very...obvious and dissapointing - this will look/feel/be a pile of poo imo.

What's happened to imaginative and inspiring architecture?

It does appear to be the same as the picture posted earlier

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=15524210&postcount=163


Will reserve judgement until we get more pics next week (that’s if anybody pops down to the display). Certainly a few curves wouldn't go amiss.

I too wouldn't mind a curve or two, but in moderation. I actually think tall boxes work well when grouped together, like a crystal cluster emerging from the ground. I have always said that CW needs one signature building, it's leading character,or 'star' and perhaps this is still to be found.( What it really needs is one 300m building - but that wont happen) However I still like the 'vision' , especially the slender tower and feel that this scheme should make a great addition to London!

PS You may not like the boxes but they will not date as quickly as something following a current vogue. I also like the idea of a high street - just what CW needs! Rogers will do a good job.:cheers:

It does appear to be the same as the picture posted earlier

nah its clearly different. no oil bottles...

The slender one has at least 55 floors. I suppose it's just a mockup though.

I wouldn't read too much into the boxes, obviously this is just a massing... a very promising one though! Theres a good few skyscrapers there. Loving the idea of a new highstreet up the middle of the site too, imagine that, a modern Oxford Street type thing surrounded by towers:)

Canary Wharf is going to have sooo many towers soon:)

From PW

Canary introduces 6.5m sq ft Wood Wharf neighbour

16.11.07

Canary Wharf, Ballymore and British Waterways up office content for Docklands mega-scheme

By Deirdre Hipwell

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Outline plans were unveiled yesterday for a multibillion-pound development in London’s Docklands, hailed as one of the most significant in the capital over the next decade.

The Wood Wharf Partnership revealed plans for the 6.5m sq ft Wood Wharf, to the east of the Canary Wharf estate, as a two-week public exhibition on the scheme began.

Wood Wharf, which is being developed by a joint venture between Canary Wharf Group, British Waterways and Irish group Ballymore, will feature 1,400 new homes, a ’significant number’ of which will be affordable, and 4.8m sq ft of offices.

There will also be leisure facilities and a community park providing enhanced access to the waterfront with additional moorings and a new canal.

A new high street with a range of shops, cafes and restaurants will run through the centre of the development.

Canary Wharf Group will develop the commercial element of the scheme while Ballymore will develop the residential. Canary Wharf and Ballymore each have a 25% interest in the development vehicle, while site freeholder British Waterways has a 50% share.
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The revised plans for Wood Wharf include a greater element of office space than was originally planned three years ago when proposals for the 17 acre site were first mooted.

A portion of the office element is likely to be developed in the first phase, and residential development is taking place at a later stage.

A source at Canary Wharf said the scheme ’reflected the right balance’ and that it was confident that there would be sufficient occupational demand for offices in Docklands.

The source said Canary Wharf Group would be looking to buy further sites near the estates for both office and residential development.

Damian Wisniewski, chief operating officer of Wood Wharf Partnership, said: ’Wood Wharf is a key strategic regeneration project for London, complementing both the Thames Gateway and the development of the Olympic zone.’

A public consultation is under way to examine issues such as the design of the scheme and ensure the masterplan meets the development principles established in Tower Hamlets council’s supplementary planning guidance for Wood Wharf, which were adopted in 2003.

An outline planning application is to be submitted to Tower Hamlets early next year. Architect Rogers Stirk Harbour & Partners and landscape designer Martha Schwartz Partners designed the masterplan.
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That is pretty much the scheme. That one is out of Sketch-up.

miller hare use sketch up too??? lol

That isn't a miller hare image.

I wouldn't read too much into the boxes, obviously this is just a massing... a very promising one though! Theres a good few skyscrapers there. Loving the idea of a new highstreet up the middle of the site too, imagine that, a modern Oxford Street type thing surrounded by towers:)

Canary Wharf is going to have sooo many towers soon:)

I thought this was for the actual planning application rather than a massing model? We already had a massing model in 2003?

I'm loving the high street idea too - much needed for the area!

i assume the yellow coloured buildings in the picture are the residentials, and the white fatter ones are the commercials?

judging from their floor counts they appear to be. 55 floors and that height is clearly a residential unless of course the floor counts dont mean anything. it would also make sense to put the residentials on the edge of the plot whilst having the offices more around churchill place.

^^ Thanks! so these would have to be the tallest residentials in britain then if they went ahead? taller than pp?

yeah except by then st georges wharf will be built!

i really hope sum1 manages to get to the 'unveiling' of the actual designs.

talk about a major expansion to a major financial district, who knows...after they've completed all the buildings on the cards in the square mile, an even newer wharf going south will be in the design process :D wishful thinking however :)

Anyone planning to have a look at the public exhibition?
that would be much appreciated :)

could all be a reality by 2020!

New city of towers in Docks
Mira Bar-Hillel and Katharine Barney
16.11.07

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11/dockstowers_415x275.jpg

This is the first image of a major new scheme to extend Canary Wharf.

The new city of towers is proposed for Wood Wharf, a site which lies between Canary Wharf and the river and faces the O2.

If it goes ahead the development, designed by Richard Rogers, will be the highest density building project in London.

It would have almost the same number of flats, offices and shops as the King's Cross development, despite being on a plot a quarter of the size.

The vision of Lord Rogers, the Mayor's architectural adviser, is for a large group of towers containing 1,400 flats, as well as almost five million square feet of office space.

Designed in partnership with British Waterways, Canary Wharf and developer Ballymore, the 17.5 acre site will also contain a range of shops, recreational and community facilities.

The scheme is almost on the scale of that planned for the King's Cross railway land site, which at 67 acres is almost four times the size - making Wood Wharf the most crowded development in London.

The heights of the office and residential towers have not yet been finalised. The developer would only say that none would be taller than 1 Canada Square, the main Canary Wharf tower.

Plans includes a new community park and better access to the local docks with waterfront recreational areas, additional moorings and a new canal.

There will also be a new high street with shops, cafes and restaurants running through the heart of the development.

The developers are discussing the affordable housing element of the scheme. The Mayor's target is 50 per cent, which would be 700 affordable flats, but the promoters are not committed to more than 25 per cent. Plans will be submitted to Tower Hamlets council early next year.

Damian Wisniewski. of Wood Wharf Limited Partnership, said: "Wood Wharf is a key strategic regeneration project for London, complementing both the Thames Gateway and the development of the Olympic zone and further enhancing Canary Wharf's reputation as one of the world's most vibrant business centres.

"The site has the potential to deliver thousands of new jobs, some of the best located and designed affordable housing in the country, a significant new community park for the Isle of Dogs and a world-class waterfront."

One of the main attractions will be the exceptional public transport links. In addition to the DLR, the Jubilee Line connects Canary Wharf to the Olympic site and, through Stratford, to the high-speed trains to Paris and Brussels.

Consultation on aspects of the scheme begins on Monday.

Some of these towers look really tall.Looks nice so far and I love that theyre keeping those cranes.

Best two words there, High Street.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1213HugeNewWoodWharfProposalsUnveiled_pic1.jpg

I counted 60 storeys on the tallest yellow one and 45 on the second. Also 35 on the white one. :)

The gold ones are residential aren't they?

Christ, look at the density of that - a complete transformation. Getting rather excited by all this, truely looking like a new city springing up out east.

The gold ones are residential aren't they?

Yep, they have smaller floors compared to the white ones.

Yep, they have smaller floors compared to the white ones.

wouldn't fit with the signage in the picture of the article posted by Darjole though where it looks like all the residential part is by the east of the estate if one goes by the "1400 new homes" arrow

1,400 homes seems a lot to cram in that tiny corner of the estate as well as a country park. 'Country park' like who are they kidding. More like a patch of overgrown grass by the side of a busy main road.

1,400 homes seems a lot to cram in that tiny corner of the estate as well as a country park. 'Country park' like who are they kidding. More like a patch of overgrown grass by the side of a busy main road.

true as well, but on the other hand 1400 homes should be around 1million square feet and cannot really imagine for the gold buildings to have only 1/5 of the space of the white ones (although those look to be broader but not by that much and the highest tower would be residential if it's the golden ones) as there are 5 million square feet of office space. Well, a bit confusing in any case...

To be no taller than One Canada Square. Of course this is totally expected and yet I am always disappointed. You just could not get a better area for massively tall buildings (with the airport away).

^^I try not to imagine what they would do without that wretched airport! It just leads to frustration! As you say this is the perfect site for tall , 300m+ buildings - a chance for a real sky high metropolis! Still I'm liking those plans - I would love to see the slender tall built as shown and a High street is something I've wanted for a long time in CW!:banana:

it will be great to see what this project looks like in renders next to the main canary wharf estate. I cannot wait to see Wood Wharf unfold.

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Much better than the previous proposals. Never liked the arch and the whole thing was just messy. This is cleaner and has much more style. Will Rogers also design each individual building? I hope so.

I dont think the gold towers are residential. Considering baltimore wharf has about 1000 units I think you can squeeze 1400 in at the tip towards the dome.

Anyway great news. Now just get on with it.

Well I like the density of the area there, I like the fact that some of those towers appear to be quite tall, I also like the idea of a proper highstreet in CW, but I still wish the towers themselves had a bit more variety to them, they are still essentially boxes of varying heights....I personally rather liked the arch of the previous design, added something unique and unusual. I just wish one...any...of these new towers going up at CW had a curve or two, but....I'm still quite pleased wth the new design for WW.

nice, but this being London, just how many decades will it take to look like the render?

Completion circa 2025 anyone?.

Completion circa 2025 anyone?.
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Surely it's just a masterplan showing the massing? I don't think Rogers will be the man designing the individual buildings.

^^It would be great if he is. Richard Rogers has been a real visionary as far as urban regeneration has been concerned for decades now. This would give him the chance to design a whole urban district from scratch. I for one love to see him given that oportunity! (and a decent buget!)

The tallest tower on that image doesn't look much taller than the most Western Heron Quays breezeblock, but all of them seem to look taller than Barclays in the background. I'm confused :nuts:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1213HugeNewWoodWharfProposalsUnveiled_pic1.jpg

The tallest tower on that image doesn't look much taller than the most Western Heron Quays breezeblock, but all of them seem to look taller than Barclays in the background. I'm confused :nuts:

i guess you mean the most eastern Heron Quays block? It's all a question of perspective - Heron Quays is closest in the picture, Barclays furthest and the tallest wood wharf tower is in the middle between those two. With those existing towers both being about 150m the tallest wood wharf tower would seem to be in the 200-250m range, so probably around the size of One Canada Square which was also mentioned somewhere to be the height limit for wood wharf. Guess as it's only a planning outline and the building heights aren't fixed yet they went for that maximum height for the render to make the best impression...

im gettin kinda nervous now... "i dont love often, but its because im afrid of being let down :cry::fiddle:" lol.

these buildings better be stunners!

Based on average floor-to-ceiling heights and a rough scaling in Photoshop, it looks to be at least 200m.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=374
"The next stage of the process will then be individual architects brought in to design individual buildings on the master-plan, rather like the development of Canary Wharf which was master-planned and then filled in piece meal in detail by numerous architects as the estate progressed. The major advantage of this approach is the high level of flexibility it gives the developers in letting it evolve over a period of time whilst keeping some coherence to the original frameworks and principles."

so there's still a chance we will see more than the square boxes in this planning proposal as the buildings in this new render are simply sample buildings all together forming the Rogers master plan, but the real buildings will all be separately designed

Personally I don't have too much of a problem with a collection of tall glass boxes. I actually think the above vision would be fine in it's present form. As I said in an earlier post when grouped tightly together they form a whole, like a crystal formation rising from the ground. I would not want a collection of completely different buildings competing for attention. I live in a street of Edwardian terraced housed , it is about a mile long and all the house are the same, as are all the houses in the area. Georgian Terraces can be the same, many with even less detail than Victorian or Edwardian streets. No one complains about their uniformity!

well I've just seen the exhibition - it was roped off as it opens tomorrow - but it was easily viewable - unfortunately there were no further details on the towers - there were 2 models on display, one of Canary Wharf with the Wood Wharf towers added - the towers are modeled in clear perspex and are detail less - they match the sketch image we have already seen - the tall slender tower is just a bit lower than City Group.
There is a model of Wood Wharf itself however again it is in clear perspex and almost invisible.
The main image on dispaly is a large print of the image already released to the press - see above.
There are some models against the wall showing cladding.
However its well worth going to as there are a number of detailed (wording) information boards and best of all your views are invited - I will definitely be adding mine - pleading for at least one tower that isn't a flat roof rectangle.