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MikeD

July 27th, 2007, 12:03 PM

ARCHITECT behind Liverpool FC’s new stadium last night revealed how he instantly realised the “spiritual experience” of the club’s famous Kop end when he visited Anfield.

Bryan Trubey, principal designer at Dallas-based architects HKS, was brought to Liverpool to watch the club’s Champion’s League match against Barcelona in March.

“It’s hard to say what you are thinking (when you sit in the Kop),” he said. “I was trying to absorb as much of the passion as I could.

“I noticed this really incredible thing that was the songs that are sung. This is a spiritual experience for the fans.

“That’s the one thing that we got an acute sense of from the beginning. We realised what we needed to do.”

Since that night, Mr Trubey has overseen a mammoth cross-Atlantic effort to come up with the spectacular plans for a £300m new stadium, lodged with Liverpool City Council on Wednesday.

The Daily Post today publishes exclusive images of how the new 60,000 seater facility, planned to be built over the next three years at Stanley Park, will look.

The design, which will cost £300m, is expected to attract a naming rights sponsorship deal worth £100m. It includes a massive steep sided single tier Kop end, which with 18,000 seats will be half as big again as the existing Kop.

And the stadium has the capacity to expand up to 76,000 seats, making it one of the country’s biggest Premiership stadiums, if planning permission is granted.

HKS is the world’s ninth largest firm of architects, and had a team of between 50 and 60 designers working on the plans spread between London and the USA.

Even though the firm are seasoned in handling large projects worth in excess of a billion dollars, they jumped at the chance to tackle the Liverpool scheme.

“This one is a very big project for us. We focus on sports and entertainment facilities, it’s really not the size that makes it, it’s that Liverpool is one of the most valuable sport franchises in the world.

“The Kop is one of the primary drivers for the design of the building.

“It is one of the single most unique things in sport. It has a lot of meaning and tradition that we wanted to make a big part of the stadium.”

He said the new stadium was designed to be a uniquely recognisable building, a tourist destination in its own right.

“We created the south part of the building to really be a destination environment.

He said a number of things were being worked on to “make it a place for fans even on non-game days having a place that is interior to the stadium”.

This would include a hall of fame and memorabilia store.

Mr Trubey said more details about the plans would be revealed in time, but that the glass corners that allowed views into the ground would not be filled in to make way for the potential additional 16,000 seats.

When asked about the large expanse of glass used in the design, he said: “What we are doing there is trying to create a more transparent building so that you can see all the way into the building.”

“It’s not often that you get an opportunity to put a facility like this in a listed park.

“It’s hard to look at a site like this and not just see advantages.

“Our challenge was to do a project that can do an excellent job being part of the park.

“It’s easy to put a stadium in the park, it’s harder to make it part of the park.

“For us the site was phenomenal, even the grade of the park is a phenomenal gift to the stadium project.”

The fact that the Kop had been so central to the designs had meant that the acoustics were also an integral part of the planning.

“We have spent quite a lot of time working on the acoustics. That’s a huge part of a sporting event.

“That was one of the reasons for the Kop form.

He said the physical form of the building would project acoustically to the rest of the venue. “That was very interesting from an architectural point of view.

“The Kop drives the event. I have been to sporting venues all over the world. It’s one of the things I get to do because of what I do for a living, and the Kop is totally unique.”

So with all that in mind, did Mr Trubey feel a burden on his shoulders?

“I don’t see it as a burden, responsibility is maybe a good word,” he said.

“That’s the cool thing about our job, it makes you passionately attached when you receive something this important.”

"He said the new stadium was designed to be a uniquely recognisable building, a tourist destination in its own right.

“We created the south part of the building to really be a destination environment.

He said a number of things were being worked on to “make it a place for fans even on non-game days having a place that is interior to the stadium”.

Don't have the link yet, it was posted on YNWA.tv

snoogins

July 27th, 2007, 02:33 PM

i like the 'american model' which they are hoping to apply to the way the new anfield is operated- that alone should help set it apart from anything else in this country. match days in the states really are all day affairs and it would be great for the fans to have somewhere to be either side of the game other than the arkles. would be a good reveue stream too i imagine!:banana:

BeestonLad

July 27th, 2007, 03:27 PM

Love it! Just cant wait for them to start building it!

redTom

July 27th, 2007, 03:34 PM

get yourself down Oakfield/Walton Breck Road for the real action!

Seriously though if this 'American Model' is anything like Sporting Lisbon's ground we'll be on the right track. Went there last year, and within the stadium they have, cinemas, bowling alleys, bars, restaurants, casinos, nightclubs, shops open 24/7 and therefore generating money all year round.

Not football grounds as we know it in this country but i guess its the way forward...

DonWarrington

July 27th, 2007, 03:42 PM

snoogins

July 27th, 2007, 04:35 PM

don "warrington" said > urgh.

you get down to the martin dawes stadium then, i'm buying a stetson!

jef

July 27th, 2007, 04:49 PM

I am not a Liverpool fan but I welcome this new version of the stadium.

It looks awesome and I sincerely hope it will get built.

DonWarrington

July 27th, 2007, 06:29 PM

I'm not from Warrington!

I'm just a fan of Don Warrington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Warrington

Anyhoo, football matches last 90mins, there's no need for them to be "all day affairs". I really hate what football's turning into.

DNA858

July 27th, 2007, 06:43 PM

BeestonLad

July 27th, 2007, 06:48 PM

looks shit from inside....outside looks good for an airport terminal.
if built i fear this could ruin liverpools atmosphere.
football stadia are for football games and football fans, to have a small stand like the one under that screen is a huge mistake.
liverpool should be trying to compete with Manchester utd in terms of capacity, so they've missed a trick here with only 60,000.

err I feel you've missed a trick here and not read the last few pages. It has the option of expanding thus bringing it in line with Man Utds capacity. The small stand is only there for the 60k capacity and once planning for the 76-78k capacity is granted a new tier will be added makes sense really

DNA858

July 27th, 2007, 07:01 PM

...and by the time all these new seats have been built, how many years will have lapsed??????
exactly.
by this time your rivals will have a capacity nearing that of the new wembley.
there aren't many organisations in the sporting world as dynamic as Manchester United. They do well year-in-year-out for a reason, that being excellent management (football and fiscal).

snoogins

July 27th, 2007, 07:25 PM

the problem is dna... to get planning for a 80,000 seater lfc would have to foot the bill for massive improvements to the infrastructure of anfield most notably the reopening of a freight rail route for commercial purposes! this is unfeasible for now but is going to be explored in detail. its a great prospect that we will be able to get fans from the city centre to anfield via a mass transit sytem- one i never knew existed and one that will benefit the centre and anfield as a whole, plus we should have no problem filling the stadium either!

Paul D

July 27th, 2007, 07:34 PM

there aren't many organisations in the sporting world as dynamic as Manchester United.

or indeed Liverpool.

DNA858

July 27th, 2007, 07:51 PM

Paul D

July 27th, 2007, 07:59 PM

I know liverpool have no problem filling the stadium every game. For this very reason the capacity should have been increased.

liverpool fc, dynamic? very much so. but dont have the consistancy of Man U in terms of economic and sporting achievements.

Sporting achievements? the league started before 1992 you know? Liverpool have just been in 3 major european finals since the turn of the century,that's the same amount of major euro finals as man u have ever been in,Liverpool have been in 11 altogether.I honestly don't know were this generation get their information from?I'll give it to you that man u make more money.

*England*

July 27th, 2007, 09:06 PM

DNA its sporting achievment that makes liverpool the most successful club in world football, and thats without all the money and a fancy big stadium, no doubt when liverpool do win the premier league title everyone will say yeah but you bought it! but manu has been trying to buy it since the 70s and failed many times, and no one can say the new stadium will lose atmosphere, it will have a bigger atmosphere cos its the fans that make that wherever you play, but you wouldn't know that if your a manu fan, that new 18k seater kop alone will beat the atmosphere 76000 at Old Toilet dishes out

Sparks

July 27th, 2007, 11:03 PM

MikeD - have you got any bigger images than the one's you posted?

Peyre

July 28th, 2007, 04:08 PM

Oh God, more United fanciers who were born in the 90's

United are a more successful business because they had the fortune of coming into domination of the league when the money started to support it.

Liverpool are still in the top ten of the richest clubs, has a huge global fanbase, and have ultimately had far more success than United.

Old Trafford cannot be expanded further. The council won't allow it.

Chogmook

July 28th, 2007, 07:28 PM

^^

Who said the council won't allow it?

As far as we know, it's still a possibility on the cards.

UrbaniseD

July 28th, 2007, 07:56 PM

I am not a Liverpool fan but I welcome this new version of the stadium.

It looks awesome and I sincerely hope it will get built.

Nuff said, :cheers:

This proposal makes an architectural statement, and a very bold and classy one at that; something very few stadiums in this world have achieved, or even bother to try.

It is funny how Uniturd fans are carping on in their usual nasty and sour faced manner. They make something amazing negative out of bare faced jealousy. If they aren't winning or being the best they start turning nasty; for them there is no premium on humility and graciousness. It is so fucking depressing.

*England*

July 28th, 2007, 08:20 PM

it was always gonna have its haters i.e. manu fans and blue noses, same as wembley with the welsh and some up north that wanted it up there, over 90% of liverpool fans voted it 7 to 10 out of ten in a pole and thats all that matters really, and it'll also help our world cup bid

KiwiBrit

July 28th, 2007, 11:33 PM

...It is funny how Uniturd fans are carping on in their usual nasty and sour faced manner. They make something amazing negative out of bare faced jealousy. If they aren't winning or being the best they start turning nasty; for them there is no premium on humility and graciousness. It is so fucking depressing.

No it's you being fucking depressing. I suppose you were leading the congratulations when United did the treble back in '99. And the rest of Liverpool were gracious too?...yeah right!

I'm a United supporter and on another new Anfield thread I congratulated Liverpool on such a bold design. There are pros and cons for it, but overall it has to be good for both Liverpool and English football.

So stop being a prick mate, with all this jealous crap. Just keep on topic. :bash:

london lad

July 29th, 2007, 10:48 PM

Wendigo Wendigo

July 30th, 2007, 12:58 AM

Looking at it gives an indication of where they would expand as it was only a single small tier with the rest of the end given way to a screen & hoardings.

They had a similar arrangement at one end of White Hart Lane for a couple of years before they raised the money to build the upper tier.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u293/Wendigo_01/whlcrop.jpg

Noostairz

July 30th, 2007, 02:00 PM

Ahem- getting back on topic. There was a big article in the sunday times about this & showed a pic of the new stand opposite the new kop.

Looking at it gives an indication of where they would expand as it was only a single small tier with the rest of the end given way to a screen & hoardings a bit like the old shed end at Chelsea which has a tiny single tier with the rest of the space taken up by the back of the hotel.

yep, looking at that now - definately looks like that's where the extra capacity will come from - there'll stick another tier or two on top of that single tier.

i like the article underneath: "Hicks and Gillett, tickled by the asymmetrical nature of traditional British football grounds, asked for a departure from the bowl shape that has become standard in modern stadium designs and the result is a structure that looks both historic yet futuristic, familiar yet unique."

"We still don't know precisely what the final capacity will be but i can confirm it will be in the upper 70,000s." - Parry.

Medo

July 30th, 2007, 03:28 PM

What a weird shape for a stadium, I love it. :)

TheFly

July 30th, 2007, 03:55 PM

Where are the LFC fans who want to stay put and redevelop?

Keep LFC where they are and redevelop.

When will the press stop creaming themselves with every new gorund being amazing/futuristic/the best ever* ad nauseum and start realising this moving ground malarky is plain wrong.

* Please see press release handed out with free champagne and 3D images of new improved heated press seats with complimentary foot massager.

Paul D

July 30th, 2007, 04:34 PM

I think everyone realises that moving is essential to keep Liverpool at the top,there's no way Anfield can be redeveloped to around 80,000.So why not move to a stadium surrounded by regenerated parkland just a short distance away? The whole park and surrounding area will be redeveloped as part of this package and we'll get a train line opened that will serve the whole community from the City Centre to Bootle,It's a win win situation I think.

More than a new stadium

A – Liverpool FC’s new 61,000-seater stadium, complete with a replacement for the Vernon Sangster sports centre, higher education facility run by Liverpool Hope university, expanded museum and tour centre, conference suites, club offices and underground car park.

B - The restored Stanley park, which will feature new football pitches, tennis courts, lake and a repaired Isla Gladstone conservatory. Park bridges, walls, pavilions and the lodge will all be brought up to scratch.

C - Anfield Plaza, a new residential and commercial centre built on the site of the current ground. Created around a central walkway leading up to the new stadium, it will include shops, homes, restaurants and cafes.

D - Regenerated housing - streets of boarded-up homes around Anfield are due to be demolished and replaced with brand-new properties. Many others will be refurbished to create a 21st-century community around New Anfield.

ccfc-4-life

July 30th, 2007, 04:43 PM

they say the high 70's will be the final capacity, why not just go for 80,000???

stokey33

July 31st, 2007, 01:15 PM

Monkey

July 31st, 2007, 03:32 PM

There are lots of jealous Mancs on this thread (quelle surprise... ;) ). Ignore them Scousers. Everyone else can see that is an amazing stadium.

terryfied

July 31st, 2007, 03:55 PM

There are lots of jealous Mancs on this thread (quelle surprise... ;) ). Ignore them Scousers. Everyone else can see that is an amazing stadium.

I like it. It's much better than Wembley IMO.

Schmeek

July 31st, 2007, 08:23 PM

they say the high 70's will be the final capacity, why not just go for 80,000???

Well because the structure will be already in place. It probably means they can fit,say 16k seats in the much talked about stand opposite the kop, but to fit over 19k would mean taking the roof off or completely re-modelling the stadium. Which rather defeats the object, just for the simple matter that 80,000 looks better on paper than 79,000 or whatever
It's like when people are always questioning why they didn't make wembley 100k,the simple fact is the design team concluded that 100k was not possible to accommodate them all comfortably within adequate sight lines/distances. Of course there are stadiums well bigger in capacity than wembley but they have cramped seating and poor views.

If the capacity was due to be 79,999 then it might be worth trying to squezze another seat in, but is 80,000 really better than 79,999? Other than on paper?

*England*

July 31st, 2007, 10:21 PM

could all stand outside and watch game from the corners for free!

afk9000

July 31st, 2007, 10:45 PM

Pitch is 8m below ground level and apparntly wont be visable from outside the corners.

Noostairz

August 2nd, 2007, 09:53 PM

daveylad2

August 3rd, 2007, 03:43 AM

just got hold of this and scanned it - opposite end to the kop (bigger image than we've seen before) - gotta be where another tier will be added to boost capacity:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5271/newanfieldfz4.jpg

I like the look of the stadium apart from that end. Why don't they build it at the full capacity from the start? It's going to look crap until it is redeveloped.
What if they don't do it for years, or never?

RobH

August 3rd, 2007, 10:40 AM

planning permission

TheFly

August 3rd, 2007, 11:59 AM

Does the pitch slide out?
The roof really covers the ground, similar to Cardiff, which will prevent wind flow?

The small end looks fine, perfectly reasonable to build in capacity potential.

I think you will find Arsenal fans are secretly seathing that they spend decades in the smallest ground of the Big 4 and then they find out they will spend decades in a ground 15-25,000 seats smaller than United (it will be extended),Liverpool and very soon Newcastle.

Of note with the stadium design, which is different and looks good, is that there are internal roof supports, restricting sight lines for expansion?

This will lead to similar `messy' (in some people eyes) corners like they whinge about at OT?

Portobello Red

August 3rd, 2007, 02:10 PM

This will lead to similar `messy' (in some people eyes) corners like they whinge about at OT?

Unlikely.

MoreOrLess

August 4th, 2007, 12:22 PM

Does the pitch slide out?
This will lead to similar `messy' (in some people eyes) corners like they whinge about at OT?

I'd guess that stand will just expand backwards seperately and not join up with the side stands.

As for the pitch I wouldnt be supprized if the corners had the ability to partly open thus letting in air, the kop end might let in alot of sunlight aswell if its facing the right direction.

Noostairz

August 4th, 2007, 03:31 PM

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-in1.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5271/newanfieldfz4.jpg

something i noticed: the upper tiers of the two main stands rise the nearer they are to the kop, and then just sharply end, whereas at the other end (the away end) they're shorter and they curve round the corners.

and would you like to know why i noticed this? because i'm very, very bored. i need the football season to start (the real one - none of this mickey mouse scottish nonsense).

The Hunted

August 4th, 2007, 03:45 PM

I have Setanta!

Does anybody know the dimensions of the new stadium?
Is anybody willing to have a guess?

Noostairz

August 4th, 2007, 04:25 PM

I have Setanta!

funnily enough i've just been working out how to get all the premier league, champions league, fa cup, england internationals, and all that when i move to america = fox soccer channel (check), espn (check), setanta (fuck).

so i've got to change the wife's current cable package and upgrade us to satellite. now i thought america was the land of the free, but apparently this costs money.

and, and this is just a killer, the day i get hitched liverpool and everton are on and it's the rugby world cup final.

maybe i should just dump her.

The Hunted

August 4th, 2007, 04:38 PM

^^ Show her whos boss, get the matches shown at the wedding!

Noostairz

August 4th, 2007, 04:59 PM

deal.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/29/blair_bush,0.jpg

Portobello Red

August 7th, 2007, 01:31 PM

just got hold of this and scanned it - opposite end to the kop (bigger image than we've seen before) - gotta be where another tier will be added to boost capacity:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5271/newanfieldfz4.jpg

something i noticed: the upper tiers of the two main stands rise the nearer they are to the kop, and then just sharply end, whereas at the other end (the away end) they're shorter and they curve round the corners.

This image shows the slope from the south elevation (kop) to the north elevation.

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6605/newstad5tr8.jpg

This image also shows that the west side will be 'concave' on the outside, and the east side will be ''convex' on the outside. A better indication is given by one of the earlier 'bootleg' images:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3593/newstad10pt0.jpg

JUXTAPOL

August 9th, 2007, 10:45 AM

More details released about New Anfield, such as it aiming for 5 star rating and a skywalk viewing area.

Liverpooldailypost.co.uk-turbine-and-skywalk-plan-for-new-anfield-stadium-64375-19597959/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/08/09/turbine-and-skywalk-plan-for-new-anfield-stadium-64375-19597959/)

Portobello Red

August 9th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Turbine and skywalk plan for new Anfield stadium

Aug 9 2007 Liverpool Daily Post

LIVERPOOL FC’s new Anfield stadium will have a “skywalk” at the top of the Kop offering views across the city to Wales, the Daily Post can reveal.

It also emerged last night that it is likely to be one of the greenest in the Premiership when built as the club aims to make it “carbon neutral” and hopes to instal a wind turbine in future.

The new details were revealed after the 23 documents for the new 60,000-seater stadium were made available to the public for viewing at Liverpool city council.

The plans also show that the new £300m stadium would be capable of being classed as 5* by UEFA, making it capable of staging international games and club finals.

Although the application does not discuss where the additional 16,000 seats the club may include in future will be situated, it seems clear from the plans they would go in the north stand as it would currently only have 4,200 seats in 28 rows.

The west stand will have 12,000 seats over three tiers with a total of 97 rows. The east stand will have 25,000 seats in two tiers with a total of 108 rows.

The Kop will have a 17,800 capacity over 95 rows, and there will be 1,000 seats in suites.

According to the plans: “The Skywalk/terrace comprises a dedicated route by stair and lift to the top of the Kop stand where the public may enjoy a restaurant, cafe and bar that is unique in its setting; extending onto a large open terrace with views north and south into the bowl and pitch, across the city north to the counties beyond and south over the Mersey to Wales.”

It would be open every day apart from match days, and the south-east and south-west corners of the stadium will remain open during park opening hours, except on match days.

“This provides the opportunity for the public to wander into these parts of the building, to visit the shop and museum or simply glimpse views down onto the pitch,” states the documents.

“Within the southern (Kop) end of the stadium, will be a museum facility charting this club in the context of developments within English and European football.”

The ground will also have a rainwater retention system with subterranean tanks “which collect all roof water and rain water from the concourse for re-use”.

The system will serve watering of the pitch, vegetation on the building’s perimeter, flushing toilets and urinals, and general cleaning functions.

It is the club’s “intention to explore opportunities to supplement the development proposals with a future related application for a wind turbine to serve the development.

“That turbine will make both the stadium and park self-sufficient in energy.

“The intention is to install a number of ‘living walls’ along the base of the northern facade of the stadium. These walls, a direct substitute for any cladding material, will be irrigated by recycled water from the stadium roof and consist of a number of hardy pre-dominantly native shrubs and perennial plants.”

Peyre

August 9th, 2007, 02:57 PM

I'd prefer solar panels to a wind turbine. Turbines look a little tacky, don't ya think?

Its all sounding rather dishy though

Portobello Red

August 9th, 2007, 03:24 PM

I'd prefer solar panels to a wind turbine. Turbines look a little tacky, don't ya think?

Its all sounding rather dishy though

I think it may give the possibility giving a retro/futuristic 'floodlights' look to complement the modern design of the stadium.

I would quite fancy a drink in a bar on top of the Kop with a roof top outdoor terrace...:)

terryfied

August 9th, 2007, 05:37 PM

The plans also show that the new £300m stadium would be capable of being classed as 5* by UEFA, making it capable of staging international games and club finals.

Any idea what they mean by 'Would be capable' as opposed to 'Will be capable'?

Also, after the farce in Athens, I can't see a stadium with less than 70,000 being used for future Champions League finals.

Peyre

August 9th, 2007, 09:33 PM

JUXTAPOL

August 9th, 2007, 09:41 PM

Any idea what they mean by 'Would be capable' as opposed to 'Will be capable'?

Also, after the farce in Athens, I can't see a stadium with less than 70,000 being used for future Champions League finals.

However you say it, the word "capable" still explains it, and the ground is going to planning for 60k, then they will apply for planning again, during construction for around 76k. Would.........,will that information suffice...! :wink2:

Portobello Red

August 9th, 2007, 10:24 PM

Phil Actery

August 9th, 2007, 10:43 PM

Any idea what they mean by 'Would be capable' as opposed to 'Will be capable'?

Liverpool hasn't got enough 5 star hotel rooms within the city for any stadium built there to be classified as 5star by UEFA. This will hopefully be rectified in the next few years with the building of various new developments.

london lad

August 10th, 2007, 12:09 AM

lots of pics here

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/videos-pictures/pictures-of-liverpool/liverpool-fc-photos/2007/07/26/new-home-for-liverpool-fc-64375-19526813/

terryfied

August 10th, 2007, 02:37 PM

capable of being 5star...when expanded to over 70k perchance?

A stadium only has to have a capacity of 50,000 or more to be five star.

I.e Ibrox, Hampden Park.

terryfied

August 10th, 2007, 02:43 PM

However you say it, the word "capable" still explains it, and the ground is going to planning for 60k, then they will apply for planning again, during construction for around 76k. Would.........,will that information suffice...! :wink2:

Not really.

terryfied

August 10th, 2007, 02:56 PM

Liverpool hasn't got enough 5 star hotel rooms within the city for any stadium built there to be classified as 5star by UEFA. This will hopefully be rectified in the next few years with the building of various new developments.

That makes sense.

Thanks Phil, for a much more mature response to a genuine question.

:okay:

Portobello Red

August 10th, 2007, 02:56 PM

Criteria for UEFA 5 Star rating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Stadia_List

A 5-star rating enables a stadium to host the finals of the UEFA European Football Championship and UEFA Champions League. They can also host finals of the UEFA Cup.

Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5-star venues) / 30,000 (4-star venues) – individual seats with backrests. (Venues that still have individual seats without proper backrests will still continue to be accepted. In the future, however, closer attention will be paid to this aspect, and which will influence the committee’s decision regarding the addition of venues to these list categories.)

Pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m. The field of play must be in pristine condition and be prepared accordingly for a final (quality of grass, irrigation, smooth surface, etc.).

Protective fences around the field of play are not acceptable. Venues which have such installations will not be included on the list.

Sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras. In addition, there must be enough room between the goals and the first row of spectator seats behind both goals for a minimum of 150 photographers.

First-rate dressing-rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean).

Suitable and appropriately equipped drug-testing room.

Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1,400 lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and of 1,000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply able to provide, without interruption, the same luminous light intensity as the main lighting.

Modern security installations (access monitoring system, adequate PA system, etc.).

A permanent TV surveillance system in colour that is able to monitor the movement of spectators, as well as their behaviour inside and outside the stadium. This installation must also be able to produce still shots of any troublemakers, which can then be distributed immediately to the security officers / stewards in the stadium.

Clear signage that everyone can understand inside and outside the stadium, as well as in its immediate vicinity.

Suitable covered seats for disabled spectators and their accompanying persons (minimum of two sectors with at least 50 places each). The areas for disabled spectators must be adequately equipped with toilet facilities and a refreshment bar.

Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex.

Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios, etc., in accordance with the “UEFA Guidelines for Media Facilities”.

Adequate first-class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 150 places in the Honorary Tribune VIP box.

International airport(s) able to cope with the huge extra demands of a UEFA final (capacity for up to 60 charter flights per day in addition to the normal, scheduled flights)

Adequate hotel accommodation. For UEFA and its partners, at least 1,000 five-star hotel rooms (UEFA Champions League) / 500 rooms (UEFA Cup) are needed. In addition, enough other hotel accommodation in all types of category must be available.

To be honest, most games will be played at Wembley, so having a 5* rating is almost worthless. For example I would not want 'sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras' if it meant the fans being further away from the pitch than need be - just for the sake of the possibility of a UEFA Cup Final every 30 years or so.

redTom

August 10th, 2007, 03:05 PM

Criteria for UEFA 5 Star rating
To be honest, most games will be played at Wembley, so having a 5* rating is almost worthless. For example I would not want 'sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras' if it meant the fans being further away from the pitch than need be - just for the sake of the possibility of a UEFA Cup Final every 30 years or so.

exactly, and when uefa change the rules to suit the highest bidder every year anyway, it makes most of that list pointless.

I could probably come up with a counter argument for half of them points based on 2 of the last 3 European Cup final venues. Thats another story altogether though.:ohno:

Portobello Red

August 10th, 2007, 03:26 PM

exactly, and when uefa change the rules to suit the highest bidder every year anyway, it makes most of that list pointless.

I could probably come up with a counter argument for half of them points based on 2 of the last 3 European Cup final venues. Thats another story altogether though.:ohno:

Know exactly what you mean Tom.

I wouldn't want the likes of William Gaillard at our ground anyway.

LDN_EUROPE

August 11th, 2007, 08:44 AM

Great and individual stadium for Liverpool. - best club stadium in the UK?

Noostairz

August 17th, 2007, 05:10 PM

interview with hicks and gillett including some great shots of the stadium. (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156710070817-1409.htm)

Gherkin

August 17th, 2007, 08:53 PM

^^ Awesome video! It's got my vote :)

Peyre

August 19th, 2007, 09:10 PM

http://www.lfcnewstadium.com/

keep watching this site. The planning application has been made avaliable.

JUXTAPOL

August 19th, 2007, 10:54 PM

http://www.lfcnewstadium.com/

keep watching this site. The planning application has been made avaliable.

Cheers for that, quite a lot of info there, can't wait to start getting some construction shots...:banana:

Gherkin

August 20th, 2007, 12:26 AM

http://www.lfcnewstadium.com/

It looks like that one has replaced this website: http://www.newanfield.co.uk/

...but the two have identical images and video. I prefer that one^^ as it has more info.

MikeD

August 20th, 2007, 02:45 PM

What New Anfield might look like in 2010, apparently these are official not a photoshop DIY job. Credit to poster "ShanklyGates" on RedandWhiteKop.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6748/fromfurtherdownuttingavld0.th.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromfurtherdownuttingavld0.jpg)

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/3387/fromuttingaveprioryrdjcmq9.th.jpg (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromuttingaveprioryrdjcmq9.jpg)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1707/fromthearkles20102au8.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromthearkles20102au8.jpg)

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1106/fromstanleyparklake2010zp1.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromstanleyparklake2010zp1.jpg)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8268/fromprioryroad20102dw1.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromprioryroad20102dw1.jpg)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6731/behindweststand20102gc4.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behindweststand20102gc4.jpg)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3935/fromoakfieldrd20102id8.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromoakfieldrd20102id8.jpg)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6893/fromanfieldroad20102nu3.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromanfieldroad20102nu3.jpg)

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/489/fromanfieldcem2010b2zb2.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fromanfieldcem2010b2zb2.jpg)

Peyre

August 20th, 2007, 05:03 PM

It looks like that one has replaced this website: http://www.newanfield.co.uk/

...but the two have identical images and video. I prefer that one^^ as it has more info.

the one i posted has just been launched, more info will be added in the next few days.

redTom

August 20th, 2007, 06:09 PM

the one i posted has just been launched, more info will be added in the next few days.

^^^
don't be fooled into giving any money to Koptalk folks!

Phil Actery

August 20th, 2007, 10:08 PM

Both websites are money-making exercises riddled with ads - you can find all the info out on free sites.

Portobello Red

August 21st, 2007, 10:04 PM

The new stadium will be in the area around the car park (the grey area) in Stanley Park.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2552/stanleyparkki4.jpg

New_To _This_City

September 4th, 2007, 08:09 PM

I love that shot!! It highlights just how close Anfield and Goodison are!!

I cant wait for the new stadium to be built but I like most fans will be sad to leave Anfield due to its magical atmosphere, one of the true temples of football!!!!

Toadboy

September 4th, 2007, 08:47 PM

Interesting pic that it highlights some of the planned transport solutions as well.

Rail stop on the far side of the cemetry, park and ride on the park beyond the cemetry and multi storey car park and coach park on the site of Goodison.

L8Hatter

September 4th, 2007, 11:17 PM

As new stadiums go, that's going to be the best in the country by a mile. The standalone kop is a great idea and actually looks steeper than the current one from the renders. The pitch seems miles away at the sides, but I suppose you have to expect that these days.

*England*

September 5th, 2007, 10:21 PM

got a team worthy of this stadium going by start of the season, lets hope they keep it up and stay top of the league!

MikeD

September 12th, 2007, 01:45 PM

Plans and X-Sections in PDF format

http://www.savefile.com/files/1049396

MikeD

September 12th, 2007, 01:46 PM

double post

IHaveNoLegs

September 14th, 2007, 01:58 AM

correct me if i'm wrong, but its my belief that that this stand is supposed to recreate the atmosphere of the old kop
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-in1.jpg
the old kop was standing room, if they want to recreate it, why not challenge the taylor report to try and bring standing room back to anfield
its going to seat about 18,000 so you could probably get about 25,000 people standing there, which would be awesome
of course put seats in for any games which require seating (much like at dortmund)
"We've also recognised the central importance of the Kop. It will have a significantly increased capacity of 18,000 seats in a single tier structure that will be the heartbeat of the new stadium. The rake of the stand will be steeper and the seats tighter together, with the acoustics of the roof designed to accentuate the atmosphere during games."
the old kop was standing room, if they want to recreate it, why not challenge the taylor report to try and bring standing room back to anfield
its going to seat about 18,000 so you could probably get about 25,000 people standing there, which would be awesome and would create a very intimidating atmosphere

L8Hatter

September 17th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Bloody hell, didn't realise the new kop hold's 18,000. that's as much as the current one when it was standing isn't it? the more I see of this stadium, the better it gets. Congratulations Liverpool.

Toadboy

September 19th, 2007, 11:31 AM

Only when The Kop was reduced to 16,500 post Hillsborough. Before that it had been 21,500 (late 70's to '89), 24,000 and 28,000!

I think The Kop should wrap around at the lower levels more than is planned, it's a nonsense the The Kop is stand alone - it never was, it always had a dramatic 'draining' sweep into the Main Stand and Kemlyn.

*England*

September 19th, 2007, 01:36 PM

correct me if i'm wrong, but its my belief that that this stand is supposed to recreate the atmosphere of the old kop

the old kop was standing room, if they want to recreate it, why not challenge the taylor report to try and bring standing room back to anfield
its going to seat about 18,000 so you could probably get about 25,000 people standing there, which would be awesome
of course put seats in for any games which require seating (much like at dortmund)
"We've also recognised the central importance of the Kop. It will have a significantly increased capacity of 18,000 seats in a single tier structure that will be the heartbeat of the new stadium. The rake of the stand will be steeper and the seats tighter together, with the acoustics of the roof designed to accentuate the atmosphere during games."
the old kop was standing room, if they want to recreate it, why not challenge the taylor report to try and bring standing room back to anfield
its going to seat about 18,000 so you could probably get about 25,000 people standing there, which would be awesome and would create a very intimidating atmosphere

if you have no legs your better off with seats mate!

*England*

September 19th, 2007, 01:47 PM

in this day and age its much safer with all seaters, my brother was at a liverpool game as kid during terraces and when a goal is scored everyone surges forward and he was trapped against one of the bars against his neck, back then there wasn't the ammount of women and kids at matches as there are now, so i think it should stay as it is, 18k kop is plenty anyway.

redTom

September 19th, 2007, 02:59 PM

There's a big difference though between standing terraces of pre-Hillsborough though and the sort that are very popular in the Bundesliga now,

The Kop's last stand
http://www.bloggang.com/data/liverpoolforever/picture/1137819514.jpg

Bremen standing/seated section
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42692000/jpg/_42692677_bremen203.jpg

*England*

September 19th, 2007, 03:05 PM

looking at them pics makes me want all seaters all the more

*England*

September 19th, 2007, 03:06 PM

whats the crack with this new stadium. has it all been aproved and started building?

redTom

September 19th, 2007, 03:15 PM

read the rest of this thread (and the one in the Liverpool Metro forum) for updates on the new ground! Planning permission should be approved next month and demolotion has already begun around Stanley Park in preperation for development.

What's wrong with the standing sections in German grounds then? think its a great idea myself.

IHaveNoLegs

September 20th, 2007, 07:56 AM

*England*

October 26th, 2007, 06:30 PM

The projected cost of building Liverpool Football Club's new stadium has rocketed to "at least £400m".
The news of the £150m hike comes from the club's co-owner Tom Hicks, who together with fellow American George Gillett took over the club in March.

The Stanley Park stadium will have a capacity of 60,000 - 15,000 more than Anfield - when it opens, but that could increase to 75,000 in the future.

Plans go before planners at the city council on 5 November.

Mr Hicks said he was not worried about the radically revised figures: "I'm so excited about the new stadium because we'll be able to go do things for the fans we've never been able to do for them.

"Our fans are wonderful and over time we'll be able to give them the amenities, comfort

Peyre

October 27th, 2007, 10:36 PM

bound to happen

*England*

November 6th, 2007, 07:04 PM

Liverpool Football Club's plans for a new £400m stadium have been passed.
The 60,000 capacity ground at Stanley Park has been unanimously approved by Liverpool City Council planning committee, after a five hour meeting.

The premiership club's new stadium will hold 15,000 more fans than the existing site, but that could increase to 75,000 in the future.

The plan was resubmitted to planners after American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett were unhappy with them.

Noostairz

November 7th, 2007, 01:23 PM

most exciting new stadium design since the allianz arena.

MikeD

November 7th, 2007, 01:32 PM

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5612/newanfjo9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

new artist impression

JUXTAPOL

November 7th, 2007, 01:45 PM

Some elevation renders off the Liverpool council planning website.

West (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00007597/AI00040643/$Appendix12anfieldwest.jpgA.ps.pdf)...South (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00007597/AI00040643/$Appendix12anfieldsouthelevation.jpgA.ps.pdf)...North (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00007597/AI00040643/$Appendix12anfieldnorthelevation.jpgA.ps.pdf)...East (http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Published/C00000307/M00007597/AI00040643/$Appendix12anfieldeastelevation.jpgA.ps.pdf)

Portobello Red

December 6th, 2007, 03:44 AM

I've come accross an advertising campaign in London that appears to be very similar to ideas that I have posted on SSC.

To begin with, when discussing the idea for the wind turbines at the New Anfield, I stated on 9th August 2007 in post 335 of the New Anfield Thread that:

I think it may give the possibility giving a retro/futuristic 'floodlights' look to complement the modern design of the stadium.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=14706809#post14706809

When travelling on the London underground I have come accross very similar ideas in this advert:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9238/london4hl2.jpg

Previous to this I had discussed urban golf on the Fairways to Heaven Thread on the Liverpool Forum.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=14671182#post14671182

The same advertising campaign then came up with this idea for a city golf course in the City of London:

Big coincidence.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3207/barclay2xr8.jpg

The campaign is for Barclaycard / Oystercard, and have been described as:

These fantastic new advertisements for Barclaycard show how London might look in the future; London as a fairground, Battersea wind power station and rooftop golf in the City

The visuals were created by Jean-Marie Vives and Mathieu Raynault, who have worked as matte painters for loads of blockbuster movies including the Matrix, Lord of the Rings and King Kong.

Noostairz

December 15th, 2007, 02:03 PM

Reds stadium shelved - Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/12/15/reds-stadium-shelved-89520-20254098/)

:ohno:

StiffUpper

December 15th, 2007, 02:08 PM

Reds stadium shelved - Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/12/15/reds-stadium-shelved-89520-20254098/)

:ohno:

Shame, stood head and shoulders above other British stadium designs.

Kobo

December 15th, 2007, 02:23 PM

I really hope this is not the truth.

clarky

December 15th, 2007, 05:38 PM

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N158078071215-1353.htm
PARRY: WE ARE COMMITTED TO NEW STADIUM

Following press speculation on Saturday morning concerning Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park, Rick Parry today said: 'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design'
Chief Executive Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv: "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.

"It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.

"Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.

"The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium. The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that."

Paul D

December 15th, 2007, 05:41 PM

LFC: Reds rubbish 'stadium scrapped' reports
Dec 15 2007

LIVERPOOL FC today rubbished reports they had pulled the plug on plans for the new Anfield.

Certain media outlets reported the club were set to scrap plans for their new £400m stadium because funding for it has been hit by the crackdown on worldwide credit markets.

It was claimed the volatile financial situation was going to force American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett into taking on a smaller loan and see them ditch the revised plans for a 70,000 seat arena in favour of the original 60,000-capacity project.

The reports also stated the project would cost around £700m.

But Reds chief executive Rick Parry has today moved to assure fans there is nothing in the reports and the Stanley Park scheme is still on-track.

Parry told the club website: “'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.

“It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.

“Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.

“The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium.

“The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that.”

The ECHO exclusively revealed the proposed look for the new stadium back in July.

It will be built next to a community partnership centre, club museum and shop, club offices and a conference and banquet centre.

LFC also want to build a car park for 970 vehicles together with a hotel, commercial offices, retail outlets for food and drink, and housing on the existing Anfield site.

The unique glass and steel dominated structure will ultimately be capable of housing almost 80,000 fans, hopefully before the first game is played in August 2010.

BeestonLad

December 15th, 2007, 07:49 PM

just get on and build the damn thing, ive said it before and il say it again its pathetic how long things take to materialise in this country

*England*

December 15th, 2007, 08:05 PM

just get on and build the damn thing, ive said it before and il say it again its pathetic how long things take to materialise in this country

after the council approves it have to wait around 3 months before you can build it incase someone takes a case to the government to stop it happening, during that time they can do the ground work which as far as i know has been happening.

Kobo

December 16th, 2007, 01:46 AM

Very glad to hear its still being built, and hopefully as high as 80,000 seats. This would piss Man Utd fans off so much if Anfield was bigger then Old Trafford.

terryfied

December 16th, 2007, 07:25 PM

Very glad to hear its still being built, and hopefully as high as 80,000 seats. This would piss Man Utd fans off so much if Anfield was bigger then Old Trafford.

Why would it piss off United fans?

Are Liverpool fans 'pissed off' 'cos Old Trafford, The Emirates, CMOS, St James Park and the Stadium of Light are bigger than Anfield?

Paul D

December 17th, 2007, 05:22 PM

Rick Parry today reassured Liverpool fans they will have a stadium to be proud of in time for the 2011-12 season.

17 December 2007

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...71217-1419.htm

Parry admits the Reds have had to rethink plans for the futuristic designs revealed earlier in the year, but he is confident the new 70,000 seater stadium will still be a fitting home for the club.

He said: "We are now considering two schemes but the stadium will be a 70,000 seater.

"The new stadium will be a significant improvement on the original plans and a slightly different version of the new ones. :|

"And it will be a massive improvement on where we were 12 months ago, if not quite as dramatic as the plans unveiled in the summer.

"The single tier Kop remains fundamental to the design and we are not expecting any delays – it should be on schedule for 2011."

*England*

December 17th, 2007, 05:48 PM

it was going to be 60k expanded to 78k later but now if its going to be 70k from the start then obviously things will change, they'll fill in that away section people moaned about and it will still be quality stadium, only thing now is it will probably stay as 70k for ever.

Mo Rush

December 17th, 2007, 08:48 PM

Revised designs are part and parcel of most stadium projects, the imporant thing is to ensure that the final design shows some respect wrt to the initial design of the architect.

Salad Fingers

December 18th, 2007, 02:39 PM

"And it will be a massive improvement on where we were 12 months ago, if not quite as dramatic as the plans unveiled in the summer.

That's the disappointing / inevitable bit. That original design was brilliant. Can't help fearing we're going to see another identikit stadium design now...

Paul D

December 18th, 2007, 04:47 PM

They're still spending £300 million on it so it wont be that bad I suppose.

RCEG

January 2nd, 2008, 07:07 PM

Why would it piss off United fans?

Are Liverpool fans 'pissed off' 'cos Old Trafford, The Emirates, CMOS, St James Park and the Stadium of Light are bigger than Anfield?

Good point. I could never understand why Liverpool announced plans for a 76,000 stadium in the first place - it was more or less done to say "see, we can be as big as Old Trafford" and in my opinion it all seemed pretty pathetic.

Thing is, Man United are looking to expand even further so the Liverpool stadium would still end up with fewer seats.

It seems a lot of football clubs are looking to build stadia with massive capacities, without really knowing if they'll fill them week in, week out. I've no doubt that Liverpool could sell out a 55,000 or 60,000 stadium, but do they really need one that holds over 70,000?

Having been to Old Trafford it's a nice enough stadium although the legroom has been crap every time I've been there - it's as if the seats have been crammed in. No doubt the capacity at Emirates could have been closer to 70,000 had the club not bothered worrying about spectator comfort.

Re the design of the new Liverpool stadium, I didn't like the recent drawings (seems in in the minority here!). The inside is nice enough, but the exterior was way too 'out there' in my opinion. The place has to stand the test of time, and let's face it, in 20 or 30 years the wacky design would seem very dated. They don't have to build an identikit stadium like Boro, Derby etc. but there's no need to go completely over the top.

Paul D

January 8th, 2008, 07:38 PM

No inquiry for Reds' new stadium

Liverpool Football Club's proposed new stadium has moved a step closer with a government announcement that there will not be an inquiry into the plans.
The secretary of state Hazel Blears has decided after considering the £400m plans and objections to Stanley Park stadium, there is no need to intervene.

She said she was satisfied that the final decision should be made on a local basis.

This means that the club will wait for permission from city council planners.

The new £400m stadium will house 114 executive boxes, twice the number in the original design, and is planned to regenerate public land which stands between Anfield and Everton's ground, Goodison Park.

The latest plans for the 60,000-seater stadium include improved leisure and retail facilities.

The Reds' current home will be redeveloped as a car park, sports centre and hotel.

Omaro

January 10th, 2008, 06:26 AM

Good point. I could never understand why Liverpool announced plans for a 76,000 stadium in the first place - it was more or less done to say "see, we can be as big as Old Trafford" and in my opinion it all seemed pretty pathetic.

Thing is, Man United are looking to expand even further so the Liverpool stadium would still end up with fewer seats.

It seems a lot of football clubs are looking to build stadia with massive capacities, without really knowing if they'll fill them week in, week out. I've no doubt that Liverpool could sell out a 55,000 or 60,000 stadium, but do they really need one that holds over 70,000?

Having been to Old Trafford it's a nice enough stadium although the legroom has been crap every time I've been there - it's as if the seats have been crammed in. No doubt the capacity at Emirates could have been closer to 70,000 had the club not bothered worrying about spectator comfort.

Re the design of the new Liverpool stadium, I didn't like the recent drawings (seems in in the minority here!). The inside is nice enough, but the exterior was way too 'out there' in my opinion. The place has to stand the test of time, and let's face it, in 20 or 30 years the wacky design would seem very dated. They don't have to build an identikit stadium like Boro, Derby etc. but there's no need to go completely over the top.
Liverpool can fill a 70+ thousand stadium regularly, season ticket holders can account for most of them, I read somewhere that we have a huge waiting list for season tickets

RCEG

January 13th, 2008, 11:32 AM

Liverpool can fill a 70+ thousand stadium regularly, season ticket holders can account for most of them, I read somewhere that we have a huge waiting list for season tickets

Arsenal have over 40,000 on their season ticket waiting list although we'd never manage to get 70,000 crowds on a regular basis. Waiting lists mean little. Fair enough if Liverpool can get 70,000 plus week in week out, but I'm just a bit doubtful as to whether it can happen.

It seemed to me that Liverpool went for a 76,000 capacity stadium first of all just to try and keep up and with Man United and make some sort of statement. My thought is sod others, just concentrate on yourselves. Real football fans are well aware of the honours lists of both clubs and that Liverpool walk all over Man United in terms of league titles (at least for the next few years) and European Cups. They don't need a huge stadium to prove they're a big club.

I'm an Arsenal season ticket holder and it doesn't bother me that we've got a smaller capacity than Man United. In my opinion our stadium is better and we make more money on a matchday than a full Ol Trafford does. We're building foundations for the future which is what Liverpool should be doing - not getting bothered about trying to keep up with what their big rivals are doing.

Toadboy

January 13th, 2008, 01:45 PM

Most people thought the 76,000+ statement was crass. The trick is getting a stadium that works for the fans and the club and not having a big shiney toy that'll cost more to build and service than it'll give to the team.

Liverpool will shift 70,000+ tickets week in week out so long as they sort out the admin - the demand is there.

Personally I'd build a big fuck off 80/90,000 capacity and wouldn't worry too much about bells and whistles in most parts of the stadium.

Omaro

January 13th, 2008, 10:32 PM

Paul D

January 13th, 2008, 10:54 PM

I agree with you guys, quality before quantity anyway, funny how the Kop can create more noise than the whole of the Old Trafford and its "funeral" atmosphere...

One point remains, we are HORRIBLY managed...

Is there any news in Dubai about the D.I.C group being interested in buying out the Americans or is it the newspapers over here talking crap?

Omaro

January 14th, 2008, 12:20 AM

Haven't been following the local press much lately, but I recall reading the odd headlne here and there stating that 'Dubai' is willing to pounce when and if the yankees fuck up, with DIC paying up to half a billion pounds to gillette and hicks, with each of them getting 75m pounds in personal profit...

The way the press take it is that it is another expansion of the Dubai brand abroad, but it is unclear how they are going to go about regarding club issues such as the stadium, transfer funds for new players, etc., one area that sickens me to death with the Americans was how 12 or so months ago they promised us everything, an amazing new stadium, unlimited (Or so they made it seem like) transfer kitty, sticking with the manager Rafa Benetiz and providing endless support to him and keeping Rick Parry as CEO. The only thing that turned out to be true till now is Rick Parry being the CEO, when you see what he has done in his reign and compare it to the likes of Kenyon at Man U and now Chelsea, David Dein formerly at Arsenal and Gill (I think) at Man Utd, you know what sort of mess we are in now in comparison, which is sickening... Rick Parry only considered the americans bid because he probably knew that he is NOT competent enough to take this club forward (In case DIC won the bid), while he struck a sneaky deal with the Americans that would keep him at the helm and in control if they become the new owners, putting himself first before the club he pretends to love, while he only loves himself and his personal interest... Moores would've probably given his soul for Liverpool Football Club, and that is one of the reasons why he accepted the fact that the ownership of the club should switch hands, as he could not take the club any futher with his investment and leadership as club owner, too bad Rick Parry f***ed it up... He and the yankees are the scapegoats, but to the Americans, its all down to Rafa... Bloody ignorant wankers

*England*

January 14th, 2008, 04:35 AM

the press will stir anything up lately and its usually about liverpool, as far as i can see the yanks are doing what they said they would, and when they were asked how much the transfer kitty would be, back when they bought the club, they never gave an ammount and i never heard them say unlimited, besides things cant be that bad for rafa when he's just splashed out 6 to 8 million on the defender Martin Skrtel, he must really need him with the likes of aurelio arbeloa agger carragher finnan hyypia riise.

as for the stadium it will still be better than the original 60k bowl design and last i read they had 2 companies fighting over designs and costs and that will get liverpool a better deal in the long run.

the yanks wont be selling any part of lfc, they see how much arsenal just made after their first season in new stadium and will know liverpool will make even more, and they wont want to share that with anyone, if anything one will buy out the other, my money would be on hicks buying out gillette.

Omaro

January 14th, 2008, 07:06 AM

About the defender, we really needed someone to come in as cover for the aging Hyypia, when signed, we had Hyypia out injured, Carra horribly out of form and Agger out injured. None of the other names are central defenders really and Riise is not even a footballer anymore, so just calling him a defender is a HUGE compliment. If the owners have got a fuking clue they would have assured Rafa of securing the permanent signing of Javier Mascherano!

Well, if they are eventually going to build quite a good stadium, but not as good as initially announced, why make a huge fuss about it only to swallow your pride and say something along the lines of 'no, we're not building that world-class design, but a lesser-scale design which is cheaper!'

They can't even seem to sort out their finances, I can't see them sorting it any time soon and worse is: I can't see us playing in the new Anfield within two or three seasons while what deally should have been the case is that we should've been playing across stanley park now!

Paul D

January 14th, 2008, 02:29 PM

they see how much arsenal just made after their first season in new stadium and will know liverpool will make even more

Arsenal made all of the money back so quickly because they can charge London prices,an extra 10,000 people wouldn't bring the same return on a weekly basis as it would for Arsenal.

andysimo123

January 14th, 2008, 02:49 PM

I'm an Arsenal season ticket holder and it doesn't bother me that we've got a smaller capacity than Man United. In my opinion our stadium is better and we make more money on a matchday than a full Ol Trafford does. We're building foundations for the future which is what Liverpool should be doing - not getting bothered about trying to keep up with what their big rivals are doing.

I get ripped off at United but you lot at Arsenal get the piss taken out of you. I heard its £4 a pie? Well done you make more money on the match day but its only because they extort the fans and we're the idiots for paying it.

terryfied

January 14th, 2008, 05:00 PM

I agree with you guys, quality before quantity anyway, funny how the Kop can create more noise than the whole of the Old Trafford and its "funeral" atmosphere...

I must confess how impressive the booing has been at Anfield this season.

Quality before quantity indeed. :cheers:

Toadboy

January 14th, 2008, 05:10 PM

What booing?

Omaro

January 14th, 2008, 07:03 PM

Sections of the crowd booed the team on two occasions recently if memory serves me right...

But Pool fans remain better than Newcastle fans, thinking they're a massive club with a divine right to compete for all the major titles when they are not!

Toadboy

January 14th, 2008, 08:19 PM

Man United have been booed off more than that this season....

terryfied

January 14th, 2008, 09:21 PM

What booing?

:ohno:

terryfied

January 14th, 2008, 09:22 PM

Man United have been booed off more than that this season....

Which games would that have been then?

andysimo123

January 14th, 2008, 11:18 PM

Man United have been booed off more than that this season....

:blahblah:

Bollocks. There hasn't been any booing towards the team, why would we boo a team who is currently top of the league. They have been performing without fault. Been abit towards the Ref and linesman. Was some on Saturday when the Ref didn't give that clear pen when Rio was fouled but we don't boo United off the field! Get your facts right. I go every game so only I can say what goes not you who has likely never even seen OT.

*England*

January 15th, 2008, 01:12 AM

Been abit towards the Ref and linesman.

dunno why manu fans would boo refs and linesmen when its usually them being the 12th man for manu instead of their lousy fans

Toadboy

January 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM

:blahblah:

Bollocks. There hasn't been any booing towards the team, why would we boo a team who is currently top of the league. They have been performing without fault. Been abit towards the Ref and linesman. Was some on Saturday when the Ref didn't give that clear pen when Rio was fouled but we don't boo United off the field! Get your facts right. I go every game so only I can say what goes not you who has likely never even seen OT.

Arf why have a pop the ref?

You don't think for just a minute that booing at Anfield is aimed at those same people?

Anfield is partisan even when it's quiet.

Maybe we should take advice off you lot and spend 90 minutes singing about our rivals. Who know's we may even go the whole hog and take the piss out of the 4 jailed thugs while throwing in references to disasters and social problems.

terryfied

January 15th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Arf why have a pop the ref?

You don't think for just a minute that booing at Anfield is aimed at those same people?

What contentious decisions were the Liverpool fans booing in the Marseille, Birmingham and Wigan games?

Maybe we should take advice off you lot and spend 90 minutes singing about our rivals.

We always sing about our rivals, City. :)

Or were you referring to Arsenal and Chelsea?

Who know's we may even go the whole hog and take the piss out of the 4 jailed thugs while throwing in references to disasters and social problems.

Well you've been doing the Munich disaster songs for over 40 years, so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you did.

Toadboy

January 15th, 2008, 03:57 PM

Arsenal and Chelsea - the work shy, murdering, robbing scouse bastards.

Munich songs for 40 years? Get real, name the last time you heard Liverpool's away crowd at your place en masse or at Anfield. Not a couple of hundred young scals.

I'd be sick if 40,000 of our sang songs like your lot do week in week out.

terryfied

January 15th, 2008, 04:32 PM

Arsenal and Chelsea - the work shy, murdering, robbing scouse bastards.

That chanting isn't confined to United fans though. Most teams that play Liverpool sing that crap.

Munich songs for 40 years? Get real, name the last time you heard Liverpool's away crowd at your place en masse or at Anfield. Not a couple of hundred young scals.

Bar the 'couple of hundred young scals' you mention. It's not happened en masse post Hillsborough.

I'd be sick if 40,000 of our sang songs like your lot do week in week out.

Songs like what exactly?

Toadboy

January 15th, 2008, 04:51 PM

Songs about another city and football team 30 miles away.

Most teams sing crap at us, most of it stuff from 1982. Few resort to the stuff you lot do though and none do it week in week it regardless of their playing....

Metrolink

January 15th, 2008, 05:46 PM

Out of interest, which games (domestic) get the best atmosphere at Anfield?

The last couple of years that I have been there the atmosphere has been terrible.

I'd honestly have thought that you'd be well up for one of your nearest rivals visiting.

Now we may get crap atmosphere, sing stupid songs about you lot, for a good number of games- which I agree is f*ing stupid, I think it's mainly due to the post 1992 brigade which are not aware that there was football prior to the PL starting up.

But then again, if you'd have added 30k seats to your stadium since that time you'd have the same problem.

Toadboy

January 15th, 2008, 06:07 PM

Domestics are crap, even the derby and games against your lot have died. Maybe Chelsea at the moment and like you say that's the nu fan with a nu media engineered 'enemy'.

League Cup is probably the best when day tripping is minimised.

In general (like the team) we've ditched the bread and butter and only seem to get excited for the European Cup.

Omaro

January 15th, 2008, 07:11 PM

Home games at most EPL clubs in England are disappointing, that is why some people would rather go to their team's away game(s), as the atmosphere is better. Simpel, in a home game you have all sorts of fans all over the place, while in away games you have a limited number of people fanatic enough to follow their big sale).

Toadboy

January 15th, 2008, 07:32 PM

Spot on Omara.

One reason why I'd like to see a stadium with say 75/80,000+ capacity rather than 60,000 is that the club would have to broaden the appeal again to pull in the local kids and real fans from all over the country (and further afield) who can't afford to get in now or are blocked from getting tickets due to memberships, credit cards, fan clubs etc. scooping up the weekend tickets at high prices.

unfortunate the business model will rely on optimum return for minimum risk. Hence the initial 60,000 capacity at say £40/£50 a ticket instead of 80,000 with ticket price ranging from £10/15 up to £100.

Unless a cash rich investor comes in and takes a longer view....build the capacity up now, loan free and watch the value of the club raise straight away - the return will still be there while avoiding the capitalist 'use someone elses money with minimum risk' strategy.

Metrolink

January 15th, 2008, 08:00 PM

The American model of pricing for sporting events and merchandise to to make things exclusive, and to charge a premium to be part of that 'franchise'.

Unfortunatley, this normally means restricting the number of seats to ensure that they can charge a premium.

As I have said before on these forums, I'd much rather we had the German model in this country, cheaper tickets, lots of standing creating an atmosphere, even if it did mean, like the Germans we sacraficed some of the CL success.

andysimo123

January 15th, 2008, 08:26 PM

Arf why have a pop the ref?

You don't think for just a minute that booing at Anfield is aimed at those same people?

Anfield is partisan even when it's quiet.

Maybe we should take advice off you lot and spend 90 minutes singing about our rivals. Who know's we may even go the whole hog and take the piss out of the 4 jailed thugs while throwing in references to disasters and social problems.

I don't know if you've been booed off or not. Am just saying United haven't been.

Metrolink

January 15th, 2008, 08:29 PM

Thought there was a famous occassion recently, was it against Marseille in the CL, or one of the draws in the PL recently were is certainly sounded (and was reported as such) that the team was booed off the pitch at Anfield.

terryfied

January 15th, 2008, 10:11 PM

Most teams sing crap at us, most of it stuff from 1982.

Why what happened in 1982?

Toadboy

January 16th, 2008, 11:47 AM

Why what happened in 1982?

the woolybacks got...ahem...witty.

terryfied

January 16th, 2008, 03:18 PM

the woolybacks got...ahem...witty.

I don't have the slightest idea what you're on about.

Would you care to enlighten me?

KiwiBrit

January 16th, 2008, 08:56 PM

Back on topic. Has there been any progress with what the new Anfield will definately be?

This saga has been rolling along for ages now.

Toadboy

January 16th, 2008, 09:34 PM

Terry, it was around that time that every two bob town that had it's guts ripped out found solice in having a pop at scousers, largely manifested at football. Some still think it's funny. Even we laughed a long for a bit then it got tiresome, then laughable, now it's open to ridicule.

Kiwi. Who knows, the latest designs were due on the 12th. According to Hicks 'within 7 days' as of last weekend. Don't hold your breath.

Paul D

January 17th, 2008, 04:43 PM

DUBAI International Capital is ready to make an offer for Tom Hicks’s stake in Liverpool FC.

The ECHO understands senior executives at the Dubai-based international investment company were given the go-ahead by Sheikh Mohammed Al Maktoum to launch a second bid to buy into Liverpool in a year.

An offer has been agreed in principle.

Co-owners Hicks and Gillett are edging closer to clinching a refinancing deal.

But DIC are hoping to make a move before any deal is completed.

Hicks and Gillet enjoyed a honeymoon period after their acquisition of the Reds.

But recent revelations they talked to Jurgen Klinsmann about the possibility of replacing the hugely popular Rafa Benitez as manager have led to them falling out of favour with the Liverpool fans.

While the financial restructuring deal, which would give them the necessary collateral to fund the building of the long-awaited new stadium, remains incomplete, DIC believe a window of opportunity still remains open to them.

Whether Hicks is willing to sell is another matter entirely.

The Dallas-based multi-millionaire is on record saying he is not interested in selling his stake, even though there are tensions between himself and Gillett about the proposed refinancing deal.

In a recent interview with the ECHO Hicks said: “I just want to clear up with you that I am not selling any of my shares to anybody.

“I have no idea why anyone would think that. It was just rubbish.”

But with Sheikh Mohammed, one of the world’s richest men, now back on the scene Hicks looks likely to face some tough decisions in the days to come.

On the one hand a deal with DIC could present him with a sizeable return on his initial investment and an opportunity to walk away from the dual problems of securing the necessary loans to service their own debt, fund the new stadium and winning the fans over all over again.

But, on the other, there may be a reluctance to part with an asset which he fought so hard to acquire, one which he firmly believes can pay dividends in the long term.

Hicks insists financial restructuring could be complete within days, and if he is proven right it will make an immediate offer from DIC less likely.

The American pair have six weeks to secure a £350m loan that would refinance their original purchase of the club.

Hicks recently told the ECHO he hopes a deal can be signed off with the Royal Bank of Scotland and the US investment bank Wachovia by the middle of next week.

If, as expected, DIC follow up their interest with a firm bid the ownership of Liverpool FC could change for the second time in a year.

Club officials said today: “We do not comment on speculation.”

*England*

January 20th, 2008, 09:36 PM

Under-fire Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks says he has no intention of selling his 50% stake in the club.
BBC Sport understands an offer to buy out Hicks and co-owner George Gillett is being readied by Dubai International Capital (DIC).

But Hicks said: "I've not received any offer to purchase the club from DIC or anyone else, much less accepted any such offer.

"Nor do I have any intention of doing so,"

yoshef

January 25th, 2008, 01:02 PM

revised design - 71,000 seater

new official stadium pics look very similar to the original design:-

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/01.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/02.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/03.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/04.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/05.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/06.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/07.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/08.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/09.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/10.jpg
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match_pix/stadium/web/11.jpg

Gherkin

January 25th, 2008, 02:45 PM

It looks stunning but they've split the Kop up :( There's only half a proper Kop! Plus that side stand resembles Wembley a bit too much and the larger stand opposite the Kop looks a bit shit. The green cladding might look a bit naff?

andysimo123

January 25th, 2008, 04:54 PM

Haha on BBC news the women just said liverpool have planned new a £71,000 stadium. I think she meant 71,000 seater.

Republica

January 25th, 2008, 05:16 PM

So basically all that has changed is that they are adding that expanded bit first?

*England*

January 25th, 2008, 06:03 PM

The green cladding might look a bit naff?

should work well in the green park, sod the colour anyway, im just glad the design has pretty much stayed as it was and they got the money to get on with it now and all the bs stories can stop now

yoshef

January 25th, 2008, 06:03 PM

So basically all that has changed is that they are adding that expanded bit first?

yeah seems to be the major change, the devil is in the details, like the glass panels being smaller, less curvy in the corners, the viewing platforms have gone and I don't know about the bunker suites but they've reconfigured the executive levels (the stacked exec boxes have gone).

not bad for £71,000 eh? :lol:

Republica

January 25th, 2008, 06:48 PM

yeah seems to be the major change, the devil is in the details, like the glass panels being smaller, less curvy in the corners, the viewing platforms have gone and I don't know about the bunker suites but they've reconfigured the executive levels (the stacked exec boxes have gone).

not bad for £71,000 eh? :lol:

Yeh not bad at all haha! I guess that this sort of thing is bound to happen when you've got private enterprise and profit maximisation running through the company stategy. Its still pretty amazing though, well done to them. I hope it is there for 2012.

Schmeek

January 25th, 2008, 07:45 PM

I reckon a few hundred fans will be demanding a refund on their season tickets when the rain first lashes down. Check out the overhead view.:lol:

Does anyone know when they will begin construction?

nick hall

January 25th, 2008, 10:56 PM

I think it's shit hot, and i'm a man utd fan.

marrio415

January 26th, 2008, 07:45 PM

JUXTAPOL

January 26th, 2008, 08:36 PM

i'm worried by the amount of debt the club is gonna have.When the bottom falls out the premiership wheres the money gonna come from to pay it off.Look at man utd and arsenal they are in big debt to,slightly worried by this with clubs looking for new owners and new stadiums getting in debt will not help these clubs

Is this debt problem a bit overplayed...! The stadium will be an asset once built, sure a mortgage has to be paid over many years with interest before the club finally fully owns the stadium it has built.

Like anything, there is always a risk something will go wrong, and these new owners are aware of the risks, they have become wealthy by taking the same risks.

IHaveNoLegs

January 27th, 2008, 07:23 AM

MikeD

January 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM

AFL rival design published

http://www.afl-uk.com/projects.php?action=showProject&catID=43&projectID=227

mk61

January 29th, 2008, 12:29 PM

^^ I've been reading some of the comments on this in the Liverpool forum - and while I can appreciate some of what was said about this being a generic design compared to the existing design, lacking the distinctive exterior, it's still stunning by any yardstick. The interior looks fantastic, and the roof slung under the arches - which are also brilliant but very Wembley - seems to make it very airy and light, while the other proposal seems a little boxed-in. Shame how the upper tiers on the main stands seem to break off like they do though.

eddyk

January 29th, 2008, 12:31 PM

That version there is my fave of all the versions.

tonkster

January 29th, 2008, 12:38 PM

Yeah but it just looks so European. The other design is a lot more interesting and stylish, a bit more... British too if you know what I mean lol.

ccfc-4-life

January 29th, 2008, 02:38 PM

Yeah but it just looks so European. The other design is a lot more interesting and stylish, a bit more... British too if you know what I mean lol.

European??

Am I the only one who thinks the inside renders of the stadium look like your typical yank college/NFL AF stadium??

see what happens when americans move in? They try to americanise the sport, soon we'll be seeing the LFC players wearing helmets and huge pads everywhere! :lol:

Although, i have to say that this design is truely stunning, but why 72,000? why not just go for the 80,000 capacity? Be a BADASS people!! :D

redTom

January 29th, 2008, 03:38 PM

European??

Although, i have to say that this design is truely stunning, but why 72,000? why not just go for the 80,000 capacity? Be a BADASS people!! :D

because we're already £300m in debt and can't afford any more seats :bash:

yoshef

January 29th, 2008, 04:23 PM

terryfied

January 29th, 2008, 05:38 PM

see what happens when americans move in? They try to americanise the sport, soon we'll be seeing the LFC players wearing helmets and huge pads everywhere! :lol:

Indeed. Liverpool have American owners, an American stadium designer and an American anthem.

:cheers:

tonkster

January 29th, 2008, 05:59 PM

Yeah, I said European cos the "rival design" looks like something from Portugal or something. Sorry if you dont get me, I dont quite know why I think that lol, its just got that "look" to it.

ccfc-4-life

January 29th, 2008, 06:02 PM

Yeah, I said European cos the "rival design" looks like something from Portugal or something. Sorry if you dont get me, I dont quite know why I think that lol, its just got that "look" to it.

I do see where you're coming from, the outside looks slightly like Benfica's ground, ou even Arsenal's in a wierd way, but the inside has YANK written on all of the seats...

tonkster

January 29th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Yeah I know what you mean, only just looked at the interior. Don't quite know which design I prefer now. Both are pretty classy, both have their faults.

Schmeek

January 29th, 2008, 06:22 PM

*England*

January 29th, 2008, 06:33 PM

soon we'll be seeing the LFC players wearing helmets and huge pads everywhere!

wont need them now bellamy gone to west ham! :hammer:

Paul D

January 29th, 2008, 06:34 PM

I think you need something unique and that's what the Americans have given the city (if they buid it).We don't want to see just another anywhere stadium,we want our city to have architecture that's different.

*England*

January 29th, 2008, 06:35 PM

glad we didnt get that design as everyone would say its just a copy of someone elses

KiwiBrit

January 29th, 2008, 08:36 PM

Wembley + Emirates = New Anfield. Although it looks pretty stunning in some respects, I'm actually quite bored of these design types. That's why I quite like the other design - its one step ahead and original. Stadia go out of date pretty quickly these days.:)

Have to agree with you Schmeek. I'm already bored with the Emirates stadium. And in a strange way, it's starting to look a little dated already IMO.

soy chiva y que.....

February 15th, 2008, 09:31 AM

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3808/chivasstadiumsn5.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chivasstadiumsn5.jpg)

Roo

February 15th, 2008, 12:24 PM

DIC AGREE LIVERPOOL DEAL - REPORTS
Posted 14/02/08 08:22

DIC are reportedly on the verge of completing their takeover of Liverpool.

According to The Daily Mirror, the Dubai International Capital group - the investment arm of the Dubai government - have reached an 'outline agreement' with current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett to buy the club for around £460million.

The Mirror claims that 'sources in New York' have confirmed that a deal is in place, and could be completed by the middle of March.

DIC failed in their initial bid to buy Liverpool when Hicks and Gillett took over in 2007, but are now prepared to effectively double the Americans' money for the club.

Hicks and Gillett recently completed a £350million refinancing deal on the money they borrowed to buy the club, which left Liverpool saddled with around £105million of debt.

While Rafa Benitez has, to put it mildly, had his disagreements with Hicks and Gillett, the takeover might not be the best news for him after all.

Reports earlier this week suggested that DIC were not convinced that Benitez was the right man to take Liverpool forward, having been less than impressed with his public rows with the current owners.

carlspannoosh

February 15th, 2008, 10:17 PM

I wonder if this will delay the construction even more.
Have Liverpool got planning permission for the New New New Anfield?

Paul D

February 16th, 2008, 06:43 AM

I wonder if this will delay the construction even more.
Have Liverpool got planning permission for the New New New Anfield?

No.:)

Roo

March 8th, 2008, 12:18 PM

George Gillett agrees to sell his Liverpool FC share to DIC
Mar 8 2008

LIVERPOOL FC co-owner George Gillett last night agreed to sell his share in the club to Dubai International Capital.

The breakthrough came after DIC agreed to top up Gillett’s profit on his LFC investment from an instant £40m to a potential £80m, depending on future club success.

Crucially the terms of the deal would see 1% of Gillett’s holding in the club go to his American co-owner Tom Hicks for around £500,000, making the Texan the club’s majority shareholder.

DIC, owned by Sheikh Mohammed Al Maktoum, would agree to take on the £350m debt arranged by the Americans in a controversial re-financing deal earlier this year.

Last night’s agreement would value Liverpool FC at £430m, rising to a maximum £510m if the future profit sharing clauses were triggered.

The potential additional £40m Gillett could look forward to is contingent on Liverpool’s success both on the field and in financial terms – agreed targets would have to be hit. Lawyers are yet to thrash out the finer details of the deal which will now become dependent on the agreement of Tom Hicks.

Last night Amanda Staveley, of private equity group PCP who is representing DIC, said the company was willing to accept the minority holding at Anfield subject to certain conditions.

She said: “Subject to re-negotiation of a partnership agreement and subject to the usual stringent minority shareholder protection rights, we would be prepared to accept a 49% shareholding in Liverpool Football Club.

“We have decided this arrangement provides the best possible solution to the situation and would be in the interests of the club and their loyal fans.”

Gillett’s willingness to sell is a major step forward in concluding the power struggle which has so unsettled the Anfield club.

But fans will no doubt be concerned that Hicks, the leading target for their anger, would actually appear to be about to strengthen his hold at Anfield.

Last night George Gillett declined to comment on any agreement with DIC.

But one source stressed that the deal was “far from done” as Hicks will have to be convinced he can work with the Dubai consortium.

It is understood representatives of Hicks, stationed in Dubai, will meet with DIC next week for talks.

The valuation of the club has been the main sticking point in the potential sale, with the Americans previously insisting the club was worth up to £1bn.

The ability of the Americans to invest in the club, especially the new 71,000 seater stadium on Stanley Park, has been questioned following the £350m re-finacing of debt on the club.

The new stadium is an essential part of future profit projections, and the Americans have already had to order one re-design because of rising costs.

Allowing Gillett to have a slice of profits in future was seen as a way of wrestling his stake from his hands while allowing him share proceeds in years to come.

DIC are understood to be keen to get a “foot in the door”, opening up the possibility of buying out Hicks later.

However, sources close to the Texan last night said he had ”other options and other partners” to take a minority stake in the club if agreement could not be reached with DIC.

Hicks believes he and Gillett effectively have a veto over the other should either decide to sell their stake and has made it clear he is prepared to use his veto.

The relationship between the pair has soured in recent months, to such an extent whereby the pair hardly talk now.

Gillett was originally seen as the senior partner in the relationship, bringing in Hicks with his financial muscle in order to outbid DIC for ownership last year.

However, Gillett was angered by Hicks’s public admission that Jurgen Klinsmann had been lined up as a potential replacement for manager Rafael Benitez.

When Hicks announced the controversial £350m refinancing deal in January, Gillett was so annoyed that he refused to put his name to the statement.

The pair bought LFC through their Kop Holdings Group in February last year but their “dream ticket” became a nightmare for fans when they loaded the club with debt.

Portobello Red

March 8th, 2008, 05:54 PM

Reasons why DIC have to take over LFC + Sheikh Mohamed's image

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*England*

March 10th, 2008, 10:06 PM

Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has ended negotiations with Dubai International Capital (DIC) over acquiring a 49% stake in the club.
DIC had earlier announced it was in advanced talks to buy a stake in the Anfield side.

But in a statement on the Liverpool website, Hicks said: "I have decided to terminate further discussions with DIC.

"I and my colleagues will continue to explore a number of other options with regard to the ownership of the club."

Talks had been taking place between DIC and Hicks about how a joint relationship would work.

George Gillett, Hicks' co-owner, is understood to have agreed in principle to sell 49% of his 50% stake to DIC, and the other 1% to Hicks to give the Texan a controlling interest.

606: DEBATE
This needs to be ended once and for all and it really doesn't look to me that it's going to happen anytime soon

Delano

DIC have accepted that Hicks, co-owner of Kop Football (Holdings) Limited, will not sell his share in Liverpool in the near future, but would insist on a clause giving them first refusal to buy his stake.

Hicks added: "DIC made it clear that if they invested in the club, they would want it to be managed by committee.

"Based on my 13 years of successful experience as an owner of professional sports teams, and based in particular on the situation at Liverpool Football Club over the past year, it is clear to me that such a committee approach would not be in the best interest of Kop, of the club or of the club's loyal and passionate supporters."

Hicks and fellow American Gillett took control in a deal worth £218.9m in February 2007. But their own relationship has broken down and the pair - Hicks in particular - have been the target for strong criticism from supporters.

It is believed Gillett is willing to sell but the situation is further complicated by an agreement between him and Hicks that means one cannot sell his share without the agreement of the other.

IHaveNoLegs

March 11th, 2008, 05:01 AM

so is this ground ever going to get built?

BeestonLad

March 11th, 2008, 10:27 AM

Farcical :ohno:

Chogmook

May 6th, 2008, 06:40 PM

Tada!

Liverpool stadium plans approved

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44629000/jpg/_44629321_newliverpool226.jpg

The proposed new stadium would seat 60,000 fans

Liverpool Football Club's revised plans for its Stanley Park stadium have been approved by the city council.

The planning committee backed the revised scheme, which included changes to the original design, on Tuesday.

It is the third draft of the plans - councillors gave the originals the go-ahead four years ago.

Opponents to the scheme have objected, calling the 60,000-seater stadium a "monstrous" development that is too big for the area.

The latest plans include improved leisure and retail facilities.

The Reds' current home will be redeveloped as a car park, sports centre and hotel.

It is hoped the scheme will regenerate public land which stands between Anfield and Everton's ground, Goodison Park.

Owners' dispute

Plans have previously been delayed because the club changed hands and the design was revised.

But with the two owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett in dispute with each other, building work could still be delayed.

The American duo took control of Liverpool in a deal worth £218.9m in February 2007.

But the relationship between the two men broke down some time ago, with the pair no longer on speaking terms.

Their falling-out has led to a war of words.

In a television interview, Hicks outlined his own plans for the future of the club as well as again calling for the resignation of chief executive Rick Parry.

But George Gillett has said he will not sell his share in the club to his rival.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7385026.stm

eddyk

May 7th, 2008, 12:14 PM

How the fuck is new Anfield a mix between the emirates and Wembley?

http://www.irishblogs.ie/images/328075.JPG

I mean, look at it!

andysimo123

May 7th, 2008, 03:52 PM

Wasn't this approved last summer? Scratches head.

Chris B

May 7th, 2008, 04:23 PM

^^

Yep. In fact this is the third time plans for a new Anfield have been submitted and approved.

Sparks

May 7th, 2008, 07:46 PM

The original plans for Wembley came out in 1999 and it opened in 2007. While the original plans for this came out in 2000 and here we are 8 years later and it hasn't even begun construction yet.

Interesting to note the difference in media coverage.

eddyk

May 7th, 2008, 08:24 PM

The stadium has been re-designed like 3 times however.

This story is the new design being approved.

*England*

May 8th, 2008, 04:01 AM

what would happen if the yanks now sold to dic, would dic keep this new stadium plan or could the yanks stop dic from using the new design, i can see a new delay coming!

*England*

May 8th, 2008, 09:17 PM

Restoration of Stanley Park and the Isla Gladstone Conservatory are now well underway and are scheduled for completion this winter.

The Club is committed to take the stadium project forward and start on site as soon as possible and aim for an opening for the 2011/2012 season.

anyone got pics of conservatory?

*England*

May 8th, 2008, 09:21 PM

heres an older one
http://www.gladstonejones.com/images/glass%20house.jpg

henry

May 20th, 2008, 12:56 AM

I don't know whether anyone else has seen these designs, they're Ian Ritchie Architects (http://www.ianritchiearchitects.co.uk/index.html) alternative to the Liverpool stadium design.

http://www.ianritchiearchitects.co.uk/images/anfield/anfield01.jpg

http://www.ianritchiearchitects.co.uk/images/anfield/anfield03.jpg

http://www.ianritchiearchitects.co.uk/images/anfield/anfield04.jpg

http://www.ianritchiearchitects.co.uk/images/anfield/anfield08.jpg

KiwiBrit

May 20th, 2008, 07:20 AM

I like the Kop, but the three tierd stands look like Twickenham to me.

cinosanap

May 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM

I like the stands but the roof and facade is a bit boring.

bing222

May 21st, 2008, 05:47 AM

When will construction start

Toadboy

May 21st, 2008, 10:46 AM

When will construction start

pffffffffffffffffffffffff

The Hunted

May 21st, 2008, 03:13 PM

^ Is that start date confirmed?

GNU

May 21st, 2008, 03:22 PM

That Ian Ritchie design looks a bit dated. Especially the roof.

Tony Sebo

May 21st, 2008, 04:42 PM

I think it is shit, looks like something Charlton would have build had the had a few more bob!

Toadboy

May 21st, 2008, 04:52 PM

I think it is shit, looks like something Charlton would have build had the had a few more bob!

I think that's the intention, it's an architect trying to show that you can have 80,000 seats with requisit corporate and media facilities within budget rather than a serious project.

GNU

May 21st, 2008, 04:59 PM

I think that's the intention, it's an architect trying to show that you can have 80,000 seats with requisit corporate and media facilities within budget rather than a serious project.

But it looks about as interesting as a heap of plywood.
In fact it looks like Twickenham gone wrong and that stadium has been built quite a while ago.

Toadboy

May 21st, 2008, 05:17 PM

It's all about comprimise. The planned stadium is probably the optimum quality, capacity and styling while offering a decent return.

If it's just about clicks through the turnstiles in to a concrete bowl then the Ian ritchie bowl style may be the best option.

I like the planned version myself. For whatever faults it may have it offers a very distinctive style.

ben77

May 21st, 2008, 05:17 PM

I quite like it and i think it could look really good depending on the quality of the materials used. If we hadn't have seen the other design i reckon most people would say that this is quite good. In fact i haven't seen anything like this (especially the roof before). Although it does have an air of the Parc de Pr about it (which is a good thing).

clarky

May 23rd, 2008, 08:07 PM

I hope construction on this scaled down version does not go ahead and Hicks/Gillette leaves the club.

IHaveNoLegs

May 25th, 2008, 02:38 AM

that is awesome

Mo Rush

June 3rd, 2008, 03:22 PM

Vote: Old Trafford vs New Anfield

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=639171

MikeD

June 24th, 2008, 03:10 PM

ENABLING WORKS START ON NEW LFC STADIUM

Liverpoolfc.tv 24 June 2008

Liverpool City Council granted full planning permission on June 19 to Liverpool Football Club to build a 60,000 seater stadium and outline planning permission for a mixed use development on the existing Anfield stadium site.
The stadium will incorporate a club shop, conference and banqueting facilities, parking for almost 1,000 vehicles and a Community Partnership centre. Its design is ultimately capable of accommodating up to 73,000 people subject to further planning permission.

LFC has instructed Laing O'Rourke to commence enabling works under a licence issued by the Liverpool City Council. Works started on June 23.

Co-chairman George Gillett said: "This is a significant milestone for the club and I am delighted that the design received full planning consent and that we are now on site.

"We have been working very hard over the last six months to move the details of the design along but this is the first tangible evidence for fans that a New LFC Stadium will be built.

"The stadium design is unique and will be recognised across the world as the Liverpool FC Stadium. It incorporates a Kop stand that will hold 18,000 fans and we hope that the stadium will be as noisy and atmospheric on a matchday as Anfield."

Co-chairman Tom Hicks added: "We recognise the importance of a new LFC Stadium as part of the wider regeneration of the local area.

"We have watched the council transform Stanley Park over the last six months and the ongoing refurbishment of houses in the Anfield/ Breckfield area. I am pleased that now the club has received full planning permission it can join the regeneration process with the commencement of enabling works."

The stadium is on programme to open for the beginning of the 2011-12 season.

MikeD

June 24th, 2008, 03:12 PM

..

double post

Brightonboi

June 25th, 2008, 09:56 PM

Will it have a screen to watch the footy on ?

Toadboy

June 25th, 2008, 10:01 PM

Will it have a screen to watch the footy on ?

Arf.

Portobello Red

September 3rd, 2008, 02:55 PM

Liverpool FC fans: We'll boycott Royal Bank of Scotland over Tom Hicks and George Gillett

Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/09/03/liverpool-fc-fans-we-ll-boycott-royal-bank-of-scotland-over-tom-hicks-and-george-gillett-100252-21665483/)

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/sep2008/9/4/27C1F88B-BEE1-B2F2-D23268E89ECA91BE.jpg

LIVERPOOL fans are threatening to boycott the Royal Bank of Scotland unless they stop providing financial support to club owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

The Spirit of Shankly fans group wants RBS to deny Hicks and Gillett access to any further finance as they step up their campaign to remove the hugely unpopular duo from the club.

Last January, the Americans were able to secure a £350m refinancing package with RBS and US investment bank Wachovia, a move which saddled Liverpool with annual interest payments of £30m.

With that deal due to expire in January, Spirit of Shankly are calling on RBS to think of their responsibilities to the club and its fans before sanctioning any further borrowing by Hicks and Gillett, particularly if they come looking for money to finance their stalled new stadium plans.

Should RBS continue to finance Hicks and Gillett, then Spirit of Shankly say they are are ready to begin a campaign of disruption against the bank.

It could even go as far as urging all Liverpool supporters to close any accounts they have with them.

In a statement released to the ECHO, a spokesman for Spirit of Shankly said: “We would encourage Royal Bank of Scotland to withdraw any future financial support for Tom Hicks and George Gillett, in their attempt to burden Liverpool Football Club with more debt.

“Should the owners come back asking again for money to finance the stadium we ask them to refuse, as it goes against the wishes of the vast majority of Liverpool fans.

“We would also urge Royal Bank of Scotland to reconsider its position with regards to the current loan they have with George Gillett and Tom Hicks. This is due for re-financing in early 2009, and we know that Royal Bank of Scotland has the final say on the re-financing.

“We ask them to refuse the American owners’ request, on behalf of all Liverpool fans.”A meeting to discuss plans to target RBS is to be held at the Liverpool Supporters' Club on Lower Breck Road at 1pm on Saturday.

Meanwhile, Amanda Staveley, who is leading Dubai’s bid to buy Liverpool today said: “the Liverpool situation is ongoing”.

http://blog.redandwhitekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/shanklymao.jpg

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