i've heard 60,000 and 61,000. can anyone confirm either way?

anyway, there's been (at last) a positive development with this project. thanks to Paul D of the uk scouse forum for posting the news:

New Anfield is back on track after £10m grant (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16702118%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=new%2danfield%2dis%2dback%2don%2dtrack%2dafter%2d%2dpound%2d10m%2dgrant-name_page.html)

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2big.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/1big.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/4big.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/8big.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/3big.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/6big.jpg

also note that the images on the official lfc website (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/#) show the single-mast design as the real proposal, as opposed to the double-mast design which is also doing the rounds. example:

single-mast:
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jun2005/3/6/0000DB12-C95F-12B7-84210C02AC1BF824.jpg

double-mast:
http://www.starsdufoot.com/images/newan.jpg

The double mast in the old design....it only had a capacity of 55K

LFC wanted the corners filled in.

So that was done, and it's now 61K.

the force is strong with you.

Look like a big Circus tent, I like it.

Does it depend on Anfield Comp school being bulldozed?

Its really close 2 goodison

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/7672/anfield23mh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oh aye.

The red circle is where the New Anfield will be built.

It'll be further to the south-east, over the car park and sports centre.

Yes as Bunnyman says its slightly further southeast as can be seen from the technical drawing below (taken from the planning application).

http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc283/th_93699_New_Anfield.jpg (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc283&image=93699_New_Anfield.jpg)
(click to enlarge)

I had no idea to be honest.

So I just drew a big circle, in the hope that some of it would be over the area where the stadium will be built.

O my mistake, i was lukin at this model http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/1big.jpg

a great stadium for a great club.

i was very disappointed to see liverpool go out of the champions league. in my opinion they're the most passionate club in the premiership and it's hard not to feel a soft spot for them. of course, i can say this only because when ipswich were last in the top flight we beat liverpool at anfield :)

get a world class striker and i'll even consider buying a shirt.

*claps*

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/6big.jpg

Looks a lot like Old Trafford to me, only smaller...

Sorry, LFC would be my 2nd team, but why copy what's just down the road if you can't make it bigger? (although it is prettier)

I don't think it looks like old trafford at all. Although you are right about the prettier part. Once again though, potentially another new stadium in this country that doesn't appear to have any scope for expansion.

i dont think its ever gonna happen!

It might take time but I think it will happen. Now that The Emirate's is just about finished Club's like Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham will be under pressure to increase thier revenue streams. If the finances and demand are right then long term, the best way to do this is to build a new stadium.

And before someone say's "they can't leave thier sacred Anfield and the hallowed turf" and "a new stadium won't be the same". No it won't be the same but why settle for a church when you can have a cathedral.

why is thread still up here, this stadium looks like its never gonna be up and running

Some good news on this project:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/5327426.stm

Liverpool close in on new stadium

The club aims to start building the stadium later this year
Liverpool's plans to build a new 60,000-capacity all-seater stadium have moved a step closer after the club secured crucial European funding.
The European Union Objective One grant of £9m will be spent on regenerating the area around the Stanley Park site.

Liverpool were given the money after guaranteeing that the £180m funding for the entire project is in place.

They can now claim £5m from Liverpool City Council and £8.9m from the Northwest Regional Development Agency.

The city council approved a 999-year lease on the stadium site - which is 300 yards away from Anfield - on 8 September.

Planning permission for the scheme came with the proviso that investment would be made in the surrounding area, including the park.

The European money will not be spent on the new stadium but on schemes such as the creation of a shop-lined plaza on the site of their current Anfield home.

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry said: "It's another significant step forward in our plans for the building of a new stadium, which we have always seen as a catalyst for the regeneration of the whole area."

Councillor Flo Clucas, chairman of the Objective One project selection sub-committee, added: "This is a major step forward for the people of Anfield.

"It will underpin substantial investment by other partners, whose commitment will help transform the neighbourhood."

^^good news :cheers:

I'm kinda surprised more people haven't been commenting on this thread lately, what with all the recent good news regarding this stadium...??? Maybe it has to do with SSC having a bit of a hoo haa over the past few days (weeks).

Anyway, from what I have read in the sports papers, in the media etc etc this stadium now looks a cert to go up!!

Jus to reitterate, the club have secured crucial European funding of £9m which will be spent on regenerating the area around the site of the new stadium. Liverpool were only given the money after guaranteeing that the £180m funding for the entire project is in place, so looks like all the all the required dosh is their to be spent. What with the extra claims they can get of £5m from Liverpool City Council and £8.9m from the Northwest Regional Development Agency, everything should now be set in motion for construction.

One paper (not a tabloid, a respectable broadsheet) commented that Liverpool plan to start work on the new stadium next spring with a view to moving in by 2009!!!!

Just last night I was watching a sports programme on C5 (John Barnes football night ot something like that) which gave a 10 minute snippet about Liverpool looking deffinite about moving to their new stadium...will miss anfield...good memories bla bla bla.

Anyway, I'm not a Scouser fan, I actually support the mighty reds, but I'm always enthusiastic about any new stadium being built in England, with relevance to boosting a WC 2018 bid!! :)

:cheers:

I think that nobodys reacted to the recent news is because the Liverpool board who have to provide the rest of the money have been rather quiet of late- As they have been since this got planning permission way back.

Hopefully it will be built soon but I wish they could have designed a slightly better stadium one befitting Liverpools status in football. This one is quite nice but a little bland. Since this was first propossed we have had stadiums like Bayerns Allianz ground whic have raised the bar in football stadium design.

I'm really please, and I bet Rafa is too.

I read some words from Rafa on the stadium, and its part of his plans for the club. To have a much larger capacity, to not only compete with Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal and Newcastle financially, but also to create a fortress. I can't wait. Whilst Anfield has special memories, and still maintains its fortress status to this very day, it is getting on a bit, and will soon not be fit for modern football.

I don't know how were funding it, I remeber a year back we were in bad debt. And we've also spent big this season. But hey, I guess they've done the sums, and its also a similair situation to Arsenal and Emirates. The long term benefits will outweigh the short term loss.

To be honest, the stadium isn't ground breaking stuff, but I doubt we could afford something or even get planning permission for something as extravagent as the Allianz Arena. Its a very nice stadum, looks better than Old Trafford, and would easily be one of the best in the country. I just hope those shadows are there for effect!

double, sorry

Its really close 2 goodison

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/7672/anfield23mh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oh aye.

The red circle is where the New Anfield will be built.

There are many other grounds in the UK which are closer than Anfield and Goodison are now, even than where they soon will be!

Dundee (closest Stadia in the UK):
E -> W: Dens Park (Dundee FC), Tannadice Park (Dundee Unitied FC)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/darkeyes_lewj/SSC/Dundee.jpg

Nottingham (second closest stadia in the UK. Also note Cricket Ground):
N -> S: Meadow Lane (Notts County FC), The City Ground (Nottingham Forest FC), Trent Bridge (Nottinghamshire CCC)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/darkeyes_lewj/SSC/Nottingham.jpg

I like it - when will construction begin? I hope its buit in time for the 2012 Olympics.

If my memory serves me right, that site will mean a huge improvement in road access and presumably it'll be a lot more comfortable for the fans. But that's a mighty bland design. Highbury was no big loss imo as it was always a bit dull, but replacing Anfield with this?

Does anyone know if the club considered a higher capacity? I'm sure Liverpool could regularly fill a 75,000 stadium. 60,000 seems a bit short term.

^^ they considered it, yes, but opted for the 60,000 seater due to financial limitations :(

That's a shame.

Also, I think it's a travisty that they're allowed to build it here. The park was given over to the people of Liverpool for their own use. The council should never have allowed this.

That's a shame.

Also, I think it's a travisty that they're allowed to build it here. The park was given over to the people of Liverpool for their own use. The council should never have allowed this.

What other alternative do you suggest? The current Anfield it's very hard tp expand it any further and demolishing it would be out of the question (We'd never share with the Bluenoses)

Liverpool is allegedly the fastest growing UK economy outside of London. This implies that there is a lot of ground in Liverpool prime for development. With this in mind, and these favourable conditions, surely another site is possible, even a move out of Liverpool to the Wirral, Knowsley etc.

Don't get me wrong, I've always had a soft spot for Liverpool, but I think huge public parks should remain just that - public. Once the final corner infill has been completed at Bramall Lane, it'll be hard to increase capacity further, but you'd never find me supporting a move to Sheffield Park/Endcliffe Park, and the city council wouldn't allow it. If Wednesday wanted a move, nobody in their right minds would suggest Hillsborough Park. Sheffield is very proud of it's title of "England's greenest city". It's just a shame that other cities are willing to slap massive developments on green sites. Sheffield has plenty of brownfield sites after the decline of steel industry in the 1980's, I'm sure Liverpool is similary 'blessed'.

What other alternative do you suggest?
You are looking at it from a Liverpool FC perspective. I'm looking at it from a people of Liverpool/Liverpool City Council perspective.

Liverpool 'nearing takeover deal' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6205386.stm)

Liverpool are reportedly close to accepting a £450m deal which will allow a Dubai-based consortium to take control of the Anfield club.
The Dubai International Capital group will be allowed to begin the due diligence process this week, according to reports in Monday's newspapers.

American billionaire George Gillett and property tycoon John Miskelly are also thought to be interested in a takeover.

The proposed deal will include £200m to build a new 60,000-capacity stadium.

The due diligence process gives DIC - a subsidiary of the government-owned Dubai Holdings - exclusive rights to study the accounts of Liverpool with a view to finalising a deal.


606 DEBATE: Your views on Liverpool's future
The details of the deal are not known, and it is unclear whether it would be a full-scale takeover by DIC, or whether they would take over from chairman David Moores as majority shareholders.

But the news will concern those worried about the number of Premiership clubs currently in the hands of foreign owners.

Manchester United, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Portsmouth and Aston Villa have all gone through high-profile takeovers by foreign owners in recent years.

DIC is run by chief executive Sameer Al Ansari and owns the Madame Tussauds Group and the Travelodge hotel chain as well as one third of the London Eye.

The company is an investment arm of Dubai Holding, which is owned by Dubai Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.

The Al Maktoum family are internationally renowned for their running of the Godophin horse racing stables.

Liverpool have been linked with other takeover bids in recent years.

In 2005, American billionaire Robert Kraft - owner of the New England Patriots NFL team - was linked with a bid for the club.

And in 2004 Thaksin Shinawatra, then Prime Minister of Thailand, made a high-profile bid to take control of the club.

Dubai will buy Reds


LIVERPOOL Football Club is set to be taken over by the investment arm of the Dubai government, the ECHO can confirm.

Control will transfer into the hands of the world's fifth-richest man, whose personal fortune dwarfs that of Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.:shocked:

Barring a last minute hitch the stunning deal worth around £400m will go ahead in the next few weeks, taking Britain's most successful football club into a hugely exciting new era.

The takeover, which should ultimately delight supporters, represents a remarkable coup for the club and for Chairman David Moores and Chief Executive Rick Parry.

Both have worked tirelessly to ensure the Reds receive the huge injection of cash they need, from the right partner who understands Anfield's history and traditions.

The deal will fund the building of the Reds' new 60,000 seater, £200m stadium in Stanley Park, clear the club's £80m debt and bring significant funds to develop Liverpool on and off the pitch, enabling them to continue to compete for the world's top stars.


Dubai International Capital is today embarking on a process of due diligence at Anfield examining details of the club's financial affairs before they sign the agreement.

Provided that proceeds without a problem, the takeover could be concluded either at the end of this month or in the New Year.

The club is unlikely to make any statement until it feels the time is right.

However, the Reds' battle for investment is now all but over following talks with DIC - a company which owns Tussauds and the London eye and which is linked to Dubai's ruling Maktoum family.

The Maktoums are one of the world's richest, owning the Godolphin Racing stables as well as governing one of the most rapidly developing, oil-rich countries in the modern world.

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum is Prime Minister and Vice President of the United Arab Emirates, as well as the Ruler of Dubai.

With an estimated personal wealth of $10bn, there are only four men on the planet with more cash than him.

is the design final?

That article is wrong. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid is the 37th richest person in the world with a wealth of $11 Billion. Roman Abramovich is the 11th richest person in the world and has a wealth of $18.2. Wrong way round Roman dwarfs Sheikh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_%282006%29

Still he is brewstered though isn't he.

Still he is brewstered though isn't he.
Hell ye.

Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum

Dubai is a place where the act of moving around sand dunes always involves billions of dollars. You might recognize the sail-shaped $1 billion Burj Al Arab superluxury hotel jutting into the Persian Gulf. Perhaps you haven't heard of the $3 billion construction of two islands in the shape of palm trees. Or the 480,000-square-foot hole for a new $4.1 billion airport terminal. That's in front of the site for Dubailand, an improbable $5 billion Disneyesque project comprising indoor snow skiing, an animal safari and amusement rides--but not a single mosque.

The guy driving all this construction is a bit of an oddity himself. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, 54, who rules this tiny city-state (roughly the size of Rhode Island), is Dubai's de facto Muslim leader, but he has a distinctly capitalist tilt. Thanks to his restless enterprise, Dubai's nominal GDP has exploded from $8 billion to $20 billion in the last decade. That wealth does not derive from oil, which represents only 8.5% of output; nearly two-thirds comes from trade, tourism, real estate, construction and financial services.

Dubai is a place of intriguing contrasts. Fewer than 15% of its 1 million residents are nationals; most of its immigrants hail from Pakistan, India, Iran, Egypt and other Arab nations. Women in black burkas revealing only their eyes stroll on Sheikh Zayed Road past a line of sequined halter tops waiting to get into the smoky Zinc nightclub, where booze is served. While muezzins call the faithful to prayer, you can hear bells ringing at the Catholic church. Tourists with Israeli stamps in their passports breeze through customs. "We want to be the one place in the world which offers the best option for everything--business opportunities, world-class sporting and entertainment events," says Mohammed.

It's not quite the business mecca it pretends to be, not yet, anyway. Technically, foreigners can't own land in Dubai--or anywhere in the United Arab Emirates, a federation of seven sheikhdoms on the Arabian peninsula. But the tax-free advantages to trading companies are an irresistible draw for more than 1,500 companies from 80 nations. A fledgling stock exchange lists 16 companies (market cap: $15.4 billion, versus $14.7 trillion for the NYSE) that trade for two hours a day. The economy remains opaque because there's little distinction between government fisc and private treasure of the sheikh and his three brothers, estimated at $10 billion.

The sources of that wealth are a little fuzzy. Mohammed gets $2 billion a year in income from assets accumulated by his father, Sheikh Rashid. Then there's an estimated $2.5 billion a year, a subsidy from the UAE to the ambitious autocrat and his family. In addition, Mohammed controls luxury hotels, banks and at least six beachfront palaces, not to mention a stable of 1,200 Arabian racehorses. (Dubai's Nad al Sheba Racecourse hosts the Dubai World Cup series, the richest equine event in the world, with purses totaling $16 million.)

Think of Dubai as a corporation and Mohammed its chief executive--without a board of directors getting in his way. He can increase the value of land simply by building, say, a marble-clad hotel on a portion of it. The airline he launched delivers tourists who stay at his hotels and buy goods sent through his ports. To keep things humming, he funnels cash to his friends in the form of highway and hospital contracts. "Under Sheikh Mohammed," says Khalaf Al Habtoor, a billionaire construction magnate whose firm helped build hotels, hospitals and airport facilities, "anything is possible."

Anything except failure. In 2000 the sheikh's friends Abdullah and Majid Al Futtaim couldn't agree on who should run their $1 billion-plus auto-trading and real estate business, which includes exclusive selling rights for Toyota, Jeep, Volvo and Chrysler, as well as a 1-million-square-foot shopping mall. Squabbling might have driven both ventures into the ground. Mohammed ordered each sib to bid on the assets, highest number takes all. "His Highness never wants to see anyone go bankrupt in Dubai," says a banker who represents the superrich there.

^^

This guy seems to agree with you:

http://www.forbes.com/maserati/billionaires2004/092.html

I think the stadium should be completely scrapped and redesigned. It shouldnt be built on stanley park, it should be built nerarer to the city centre, with a transport hub nearby. And instead of being what it looks like now, it should be a truly modern iconic design. If its going to be our home for the next 100 years then we want something decent!

There are lots of new stadiums we could take design cues from, i just think the plans at the moment are rather ordinary

New stadium plans are exhibited


Plans for Liverpool Football Club's new stadium and the regeneration of Stanley Park have gone on show in Merseyside.
Liverpool FC's new owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks agreed to make funds available to build the new stadium as part of the purchasing deal.

Residents in the area are now being asked for their views on the proposals for the park.

The plans will be exhibited at the Vernon Sangster Sports Centre on Monday and Tuesday.

The Stanley Park work is part of a £215m project for New Anfield and Breckfield which is expected to bring new community facilities, jobs, homes and business to the area.

The wider regeneration project will be one of the largest urban park restoration schemes in the UK.

It will involve the repair and restoration of the park's structures including bridges, walls, pavilions and the park lodge.

The new 60,000-seater stadium includes a Community Partnership Centre, a replacement for the Vernon Sangster Sports Centre.

It is due to open at the start of the 2009/10 Premiership season.

cant we view the plan online?

cant we view the plan online?

No not yet.

That sucks, cant someone go down to the center & take some pics & post it .......... please :)

That sucks, cant someone go down to the center & take some pics & post it .......... please :)

They don't appear to have changed.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=this-is-anfield-%2D%2D8211%2D-the-%2Dpound%2D200m-stronghold-of-the-future%26method=full%26objectid=18686549%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

They don't appear to have changed.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=this-is-anfield-%2D%2D8211%2D-the-%2Dpound%2D200m-stronghold-of-the-future%26method=full%26objectid=18686549%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

A little bit disappointed with the design and the size of the stadium.

liverpool have got 25,000 season ticket holders and 56,000 on waiting list and they are basically spending 200 million quid for an extra 15,000 seats to take it from 45,000 to 60k seater, this new stadium should be 80k or more seater, wont be long before manu have a 90k seater and no one will compete with them once it happens.

liverpool have got 25,000 season ticket holders and 56,000 on waiting list and they are basically spending 200 million quid for an extra 15,000 seats to take it from 45,000 to 60k seater, this new stadium should be 80k or more seater, wont be long before manu have a 90k seater and no one will compete with them once it happens.

I agree 100% They should be increasing capacity before work starts. Or at the very least make it so it can be expanded.

I've heard it won't be possible to expand with this design! Which seems bloody ludicrous.

liverpool have got 25,000 season ticket holders and 56,000 on waiting list and they are basically spending 200 million quid for an extra 15,000 seats to take it from 45,000 to 60k seater, this new stadium should be 80k or more seater, wont be long before manu have a 90k seater and no one will compete with them once it happens.

56,000 on the season ticket waiting list. Are you having a laugh because that sounds a bit far fetched.

56,000 on the season ticket waiting list. Are you having a laugh because that sounds a bit far fetched.

no i am not having a laugh, dont know why it seems far fetched liverpool is the most successful football club in the world and has more silverware than the queen!

I agree 100% They should be increasing capacity before work starts. Or at the very least make it so it can be expanded.

I've heard it won't be possible to expand with this design! Which seems bloody ludicrous.

it is stupid cos an 80k seater would be too small and by the time it opens they will be even bigger and stuck with 60k and saying damn we should of built the largest capacity stadium in the world.

look how many home games they play a season including all the cups must come to 30 or more, be looking at over 2 million quid a game just for the seats sold not to mention the money made on food drinks merchandise and museum, could spend double on stadium and make that back before 3 years, leaving next 100 years to buy any top players they want.

no i am not having a laugh, dont know why it seems far fetched liverpool is the most successful football club in the world and has more silverware than the queen!

The fan clubs seem to think its between 10000 and 14000 on the season ticket waiting list. And also that a 70000 capacity ground will meet the clubs needs.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/stadium-against.php

I cant quite believe that they are only going for a 60000 seater stadium. All this effort and time going into the new ground and its not going to be that much bigger than anfield. They now have the money with the new owners so they should just forget about 60000 and start thinking much bigger.

They don't appear to have changed.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=this-is-anfield-%2D%2D8211%2D-the-%2Dpound%2D200m-stronghold-of-the-future%26method=full%26objectid=18686549%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

I saw that design ages ago, with most part of the roof being transparent & only the new 'KOP' end being coverd almost fully with sheeting

According to www.newanfield.co.uk , expansion is possible!

The stadium capacity is just over 60,000 as that is what is in the planning application, although the ground can be extended in the future it will have to get new planning permission to extend in the future. :banana:

The "New Kop"
There will be a "kop" like stand and it will be the biggest of the four stands which are each individual as the ground has a bowl shape feel to it as they have enclosed the front of the corners but not all the way up.The stand will have 22,000 seats compared with the 12,000 now.

Timeline:



* 26th February 2007 Ground tests underway

* 16th March 2007 - Vernon Sangster centre demolished

* April 2007 - Work starts on new stadium

* June 2009 - Work on new stadium finished and handed over to club

* August 2009 - First match at new stadium

* December 2009 - Existing Anfield stadium demolished

* May 2010 - Building of New Anfield Plaza on site of old ground



Here's the link: http://www.newanfield.co.uk/publicplans.html

This is a fact Liverpool will not fill a 80k seater ground every week. I don't think they'll fill a 60k ground everyweek, anyway time will tell.

Liverpool are one of the biggest teams anywhere on the Planet,I sometimes think Man U fans don't understand that.Wherever I go in the World and mention where I'm from it's always Liverpool F C or the Beatles that people will start to talk about.Liverpool will fill a 60k no problem,you don't have all that success in Europe and not pick up a massive support along the way.

liverpool have got 25,000 season ticket holders and 56,000 on waiting list

I've heard that somewhere before but there's no way they'll sell that many season tickets because you need different people coming to the ground to assure you have future generations of fans.

Liverpool are one of the biggest teams anywhere on the Planet,I sometimes think Man U fans don't understand that.Wherever I go in the World and mention where I'm from it's always Liverpool F C or the Beatles that people will start to talk about.Liverpool will fill a 60k no problem,you don't have all that success in Europe and not pick up a massive support along the way.



I've heard that somewhere before but there's no way they'll sell that many season tickets because you need different people coming to the ground to assure you have future generations of fans.

The fact is since expanding the ground to over 45,000. They haven't been selling out Premier League games. The best season was 1999-2000 with an average of 45,852 but since then they they have been between about 42,000-43,000. Last season was better at 44,236. If your getting an average of 43,000 over 6-7 season it sort of tells you they won't fill a 60,000 seater every week like United have been doing. That's about 50-60,000 tickets a season in the league that go unsold.

The fact is since expanding the ground to over 45,000. They haven't been selling out Premier League games. The best season was 1999-2000 with an average of 45,852 but since then they they have been between about 42,000-43,000. Last season was better at 44,236. If your getting an average of 43,000 over 6-7 season it sort of tells you they won't fill a 60,000 seater every week like United have been doing. That's about 50-60,000 tickets a season in the league that go unsold.

arsenal rarely sold out their old stadium that sort of told us they wouldn't sellout 60k each week but they have and its pointless comparing to manu when half their stadium is full of corporates

Every game sells out at Anfield and has done (with a handful of exceptions) for years, the attendance figures show the attendance - clciks through the turnstiles at Anfield. Some clubs Man United and Newcastle amongst them publish tickets sold.

Market research indicated that selling 80,000 tickets per game was achievable but the club chose to rip 60,000 of us off rather than introduce a more flexible and dynamic pricing structure.

Liverpool haven't really ever had huge attendances, largely limited by Anfield never being a massive stadium, so it will be a real test of their fanbase in the new stadium. Not so much in the first couple of seasons, but when the new stadium factor where's off after a while.
It was only three years ago Liverpool had 34500 for a home league game against Portsmouth, that's 10000 under capacity.

I don't think they'll fill a 60k ground

:lol:

arsenal rarely sold out their old stadium

BS

Dont know where u got that from, every game would sell out (bar early league cup fixtures). Top games sold out in a matter of hours.

arsenal rarely sold out their old stadium that sort of told us they wouldn't sellout 60k each week but they have and its pointless comparing to manu when half their stadium is full of corporates

Arsenal alway's sold out Highbury in it's last configuration of 38500 except for the odd cup game and reduced capacity champions league games. You would have to go back to before the ground rebuilding of the early 90's to find many games where tickets would remain unsold. The jump to 60k means that this season will result in a record average attendance for Arsenal of around 60k for league games.
The danger of making a groung too big could be apathy where fans think there are plenty of seats so I can go when I please and in reality rarely go.
This was the case before all seater stadia. You'd wake up in the morning and decide that you would go to the Arsenal v Man U/Liverpool/Spurs game. Another week you couldn't be arsed to go vs. Ipswich. Consequently there always seemed to be huge swings week to week in attendances. Now that you need to book in advance and be a member at least to watch Arsenal it is more of a consciece effort to support the club the seems to be more stability in attendances and that is'nt just at the more succesful clubs.

I don't think Liverpool should pitch thier capacity above 65k max, that was the figure I thought Arsenal could support. Anymore than that would probably mean a huge hike in the cost per seat ratio, so it would make sense to see if Liverpool could sustain 60-65k first. Afterall Old Trafford has been expanded in increments rather than one huge leap.

So we've all seen this video of the new stadium?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBAKhOcU3Qs

And is this the "new" design?

Every game sells out at Anfield and has done (with a handful of exceptions) for years, the attendance figures show the attendance - clciks through the turnstiles at Anfield. Some clubs Man United and Newcastle amongst them publish tickets sold.

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Oh Dear more anti United Bo**cks.

The Bolton game in a few weeks is sold out.

I know because United say so.
I know because I had to sell my ticket on Viagogo (United's Official ticket re-seller) and it was the only one showing for about an hour, before it was sold.

So, based on your dumb logic. United will be declaring an attendance of say 76,200 (capacity) +1! (my ticket!)

Arf.

Talk sense.

The attendance is based on turnstile entrance.

Methinks you are getting Utd mixed up with some other fantasy.

Some clubs have definitely been quoting tickets sold (that is why despite always being within a couple of hundred of capacity in the quoted attendance seats can often be seen at the Emirates for lesser games and hence Arsenal have now commenced an official ticket resale site).

I have no idea how Manchester United calculate this, although with a thriving ticket resale market, as shown above, already in place, both figures would be very similar. I doubt even if they are quoting exact tickets sold, they would count your resold ticket again.

I have a theory that United always release a few more tickets as the season goes on for each game as it allows more "highest ever Premiership attendance ever" headlines to be generated.

More than a new stadium


A – Liverpool FC’s new 61,000-seater stadium, complete with a replacement for the Vernon Sangster sports centre, higher education facility run by Liverpool Hope university, expanded museum and tour centre, conference suites, club offices and underground car park.

B - The restored Stanley park, which will feature new football pitches, tennis courts, lake and a repaired Isla Gladstone conservatory. Park bridges, walls, pavilions and the lodge will all be brought up to scratch.

C - Anfield Plaza, a new residential and commercial centre built on the site of the current ground. Created around a central walkway leading up to the new stadium, it will include shops, homes, restaurants and cafes.

D - Regenerated housing - streets of boarded-up homes around Anfield are due to be demolished and replaced with brand-new properties. Many others will be refurbished to create a 21st-century community around New Anfield.

I like the design, and it'll be something which will be of great benefit to the whole city. I'd have thought the capacity would be larger, but if expansion can be easily done then it shouldn't be a problem, unlike Arsenal I believe as the way the roof is designed it would cost alot of money to expand.

Reds owners halt work on stadium
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer



Liverpool have put preparatory stadium work on hold
Liverpool's new owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have halted work on their proposed new stadium and ordered a review of the plans.
BBC Sport understands the pair want to examine ways of increasing the 60,000 capacity of the arena in Stanley Park near their Anfield home.

Preparatory work has started on the ground, but major external changes would need a new planning application.

Liverpool's new ground is currently expected to cost around £215m.

:) :banana: :cheers:

Excellent news, would love to see a new proposal of 70,000+, although this would definitely need a new planning application lengthening the process.

I don't see how the current site could hold more than say 65,000, given the infrastructure limitations. Any increase in capacity would mean a new planning application and obvious local objection. It's going to be a long time before for the stadium starts construction.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, as already mentioned, a considerable increase in initial capacity would need a new planning application, which might take a while. I don't see how residents can object because the new stadium will be in Stanley Park, whilst Anfield itself is surrounded by houses with 44,000 people flocking there every other week. There's always a few stubborn gets though isn't there.

i think the yanks are more interested in their underground dining bunker than increasing the capacity, i hope they up the seating but i cant see it happening somehow.

There must be a way of shielding say a top tier of seating during lower attendance matches and then revealing them for bigger games, maybe even something cheap and cheerful like a large advertising banner wrapped around the tier

if they manage to increase it i think it will only be around 5,000 or so extra seats, so my guestimate will be 66,500, the closest guess wins my last Rolo!

if they manage to increase it i think it will only be around 5,000 or so extra seats, so my guestimate will be 66,500, the closest guess wins my last Rolo!

With a rolo up for grabs??!! i will take a guess at 68,000

I think they were mainly concerned with the fact that with the way the stadium has been designed you wont be able to increase the size in the future. Maybe they wont even increase the capicity at all in the short term, just tweak the design so that at a future date they would be more able to increase capicity. Who knows what their plans are, we'll just have to wait and see

Reds to begin stadium work in May (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6517517.stm)

Liverpool will start the development of their new stadium in Stanley Park in May after plans were agreed at a meeting held over the weekend...

I think the real question, is will the fans be able to replicate the atmosphere of the KOP?

Is it still going to be 60,000 capacity?

Is it still going to be 61,000 capacity?

I'm not 100% sure but the new design will allow the stadium to be expanded in the future.

It may be a load of shite given where it came from, but I'll post the quote anyway, from a 'spokesperson'...

"A review of the initially proposed 60,000 capacity - which may be increased - is ongoing, and tenders for the redevelopment of Stanley Park will be carried out this month. Construction is hoped to start by the end of July with a completion target of the end of 2008. A joint venture company will be set up by the end of this month to deliver the comprehensive regeneration of Stanley Park and the new community partnership centre. Tenders for the refurbishment of Stanley Park will go out in April with a contractor to be appointed and work starting by the end of July, with the work completed by the end of 2008. A review of the 60,000 capacity of the new stadium is being carried out by the club and consultations with fans are already under way."

cant see it completed at end of 2008, more like 2010 or 2009 if we're lucky

From www.newanfield.co.uk :

GEORGE GILLETT and Tom Hicks told city planners they want extra time to ensure Liverpool’s new stadium eventually matches the capacity of Old Trafford. The American duo want to modify existing plans to ensure a fresh planning application won’t be required and any delay in building work takes weeks, not months or years.
Gillett and Hicks met planners when they visited Merseyside last week, when their ambition to extend the capacity from 61,000 to 76,000 - the same as at Manchester United - was underlined.
They’re now working as quickly as possible to make the revision in a way that works for the city planners.
One possibility is proceeding with the plan to build a 61,000 capacity, but with a provision to extend at a later date.
More details on their proposals are anticipated when the duo return to Liverpool on March 31.

In the meantime, building of the new Anfield Stadium has been temporarily suspended.

“They are conducting a very swift review of what is possible,” explained Reds chief executive Rick Parry. “Yes work has been halted very temporarily, but their commitment to the new stadium is total. There’s no question of that. “But if there is going to be a review of what might be possible, now is the time. “If there are going to be any changes, however, it will be a case of scaling up, not downscaling. “They are experts in this field and I’m constantly hearing phrases like ‘best in the world’. “They just want to understand exactly what the options are for the future. If there are ways of constructing the stadium which would allow for future expansion, they want to investigate it. “It makes perfect common sense. “They don’t want to steam ahead into something which might prevent expansion in the future.
“Construction deadlines won’t change, however.
Any changes will be discussed in the next few weeks and actual building-work will commence on the planned date.”

:banana:

cant see it completed at end of 2008, more like 2010 or 2009 if we're lucky+

The groundwork of Stanley Park is due to be finished in 2008, the stadium would be finished in 2010. Similar timescale to the Emirates.

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The groundwork of Stanley Park is due to be finished in 2008, the stadium would be finished in 2010. Similar timescale to the Emirates.

if multiplex aint involved :bash:

who is the builder anyway?

I went on the tour last week, and raised the question about keeping the Kop single-tiered, apparently they were aiming to do that, so just how large is one end going to be

I went on the tour last week, and raised the question about keeping the Kop single-tiered, apparently they were aiming to do that, so just how large is one end going to be

the new Kop will seat 18,000 people, 6,000 more than at present, and will remain a single-tier structure.

wow

the new Kop will seat 18,000 people, 6,000 more than at present, and will remain a single-tier structure.

for what total capacity ? if 18000 for the kop , the stadium itself should be more than 70k in final .

i'm really not sure a single tier of this size is a good idea.The back rows are going to be an awfully long way from the pitch.I know you can't compare Loftus Rd to Anfield(old or new)but our home end is split into an upper and lower tier,the top slightly overhangs the lower.This way,everybody is seated right on top of the pitch..even the back row of the upper tier feels like its close to the pitch.Obviously the new Kop will be much bigger,but the atmosphmere at QPR is aided by the fans being close to the action

The back rows are going to be an awfully long way from the pitch

i dont think the kop would care how far away aslong as its bigger, i wouldn't care.

the new Kop will seat 18,000 people, 6,000 more than at present, and will remain a single-tier structure.

It'll be like Borussia Dortmunds uber single tier stand, which is very impressive!

for what total capacity ? if 18000 for the kop , the stadium itself should be more than 70k in final .

An 18k kop would have to be matched at the other end with another 18k stand or it's going to look lopsided.

Seeing as stands down the sides are about a third bigger that would mean 2 x 27K stands and 2 x 18k stands making a total capacity of 90k.

Either that or it's going to be radically different to the artist impressions, which look like a symetrical stadium.

Lets hope its not symetrical and just the Kop is single tiered so we do have a different looking stadium rather than the Emirates with a Liverpool badge on it.
I reckon it will hold about 65k

Reading between the lines we're looking at a horseshoe design with a 'Kop' at one end. Hicks wants Anfield to be symbolic of a theatre with the Kop being the stage.

I'd expect a small increase in capacity initially probably up to 65,000 but possibly as high as 70,000.

http://www.kennyconstruction.com/images/SoldierFieldDone.jpg
Look at Soldier Field, a single tier end incorporated into a three tier stadium.
Although it's a unified stadium the end carries a sense of seperateness.

I reckon you're on to it there Isaac.

Probably have a similar pricing sctructure to the US stadiums as well.

Why don't they put roofs on US stadia?

i like how us stadiums have facades like the one in that picture sunderland have had a go at that with their one stand

Why don't they put roofs on US stadia?

The Americans think roofed stands are for wimps. They don't realise that they've been had off by stadium owners for years by playing the macho man card.

The Americans think roofed stands are for wimps. They don't realise that they've been had off by stadium owners for years by playing the macho man card.

yeah but notice in super bowl it was raining and no one stuck around to watch the winners lift the cup lol

Hi guys.

Most recent Baseball stadiums in the US have retractible roofs. But I guess it is down to how rich the team / city are.
The Minnesota twins just got permission for a new stadium, as they got fed up playing indoors on a balmy summer evening.
There isn't enough money for a roof on the new one, so its going to a be a bit chilly/ wet at the start of the season. :ohno:

Couldn't they just fit a bit of air conditioning in the old one?

Couldn't they just fit a bit of air conditioning in the old one?

A bit? :D The air-conditioning in my car can barely pump cold air as far as the back seats, so how the hell can one fill an entire stadium? lol

Sorry to have dragged this thread off topic. The Twins / Vikings stadium does have aircon, but most people would rather be outside on a summers day than stuck inside. (If the aircon breaks, it can be really uncomforable though.)

Back on topic, It is really good to see another Premiership team starting on an ambitious stadium scheme. :cheers:

Well, surely aircon would be a tad cheaper than a new paddy-vikingdome? :)

Glad such a big global club like Liverpool FC are getting a stadium to match. Also pleased its helping to regenerate the local area.

LFC to ask for increase to Capacity

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12916613&postcount=481

This new Liverpool's stadium is like Sporting Lisbon's Stadium (Estádio José Alvalade), mainly the roof.

http://www.canford.co.uk/news/Images/josedealvaladenew1.jpg

Here are the apparent odds for the sponsorship of the new stadium:

Coca Cola 3 - 1
Microsoft 4 - 1
Nike 6 - 1
McDonalds 8 - 1
FedEx 8 - 1
ebay 10 - 1
Budweiser 12 - 1
The Home Depot 12 - 1
General Motors 14 - 1
American Airlines 16 - 1
Apple 16 - 1
Wal-Mart 18 - 1
Pepsi 18 - 1
Starbucks 33 - 1
Disney 100 - 1
CNN 500 - 1

I reckon The Disney Stadium has a ring to it, reminds me of their Mickey Mouse Treble! :lol:

I reckon The Disney Stadium has a ring to it, reminds me of their Mickey Mouse Treble! :lol:

something you wont be winning this season :lol:

I reckon The Disney Stadium has a ring to it, reminds me of their Mickey Mouse Treble! :lol:

Which one?

Here are the apparent odds for the sponsorship of the new stadium:

Surprising there is no companies from outside U.S.A. in that list. Home Depot...!, maybe if they are going to launch big expansion in U.K. Europe.

Carlsberg
Jaguar
Quantas
Nokia
HSBC
Virgin
Adidas

^^ That list was a joke from the website :D ...Can you really imagine an eBay stadium or CNN stadium? lol

i would imagine that some companies would be very apprehensive of being associated with a team in such a competitive sport. I mean if it were a company that depended on the general public for their money then those who support rival teams may be put off that company if they were supporting their rivals!

^^ That list was a joke from the website :D ...Can you really imagine an eBay stadium or CNN stadium? lol

Doooh...I always get caught out by these jokes.:nuts:

Hopefully this forum will have to be renamed New Anfield Stadium (76,000+)

should find out soon the new plans and how big the kop will be in a week or 2

should find out soon the new plans and how big the kop will be in a week or 2

is that just a guess or do you no that for sure, cos i havent heard anything in the press of from LFC

thanks

http://www.ajplus.co.uk/news/news_article/?aid=59676&sid=49

is that just a guess or do you no that for sure, cos i havent heard anything in the press of from LFC

thanks

just something i read after knocking out chelsea, hicks said we hope to confirm the changes made to the stadium in the next couple of weeks, so hopefully find out something in a weeks time, dunno what the link there says as i cant be arsed to register

still no news, hate all this waiting

Place yer bets... I guess 75,000 (and hope for 80,000+)

^ That would be cool. I think 60,000 is insufficient. To remain competitive with the best teams in the Premiership and Europe it will need to be more like 75,000.

aslong as its over 70k i'll be happy, if the kop is gonna be 18k then my guess be around 72k and hope for 80,000, it'll be great whatever it is.

listening to what Tom Hicks just said on champions league show on itv1 he said it should be in the late 70s so 78,000 could be the target hopefully, aslong as they go bigger than old trafford just so we can teach them how a big stadium should sound.

They already do that with 30,000 less in the ground.:)

I would imagine that the new owners will be just about acquainting themselves with the English planning system.

I think they may have problems upping the capacity, there may be access and parking issues involved.

does anybody think that having a massive capacity might be bad, cause at the moment its full of passionate fans but if its 70 something thousand then the percentage of those fans is going to be less, changing the noisy atmosphere

listening to what Tom Hicks just said on champions league show on itv1 he said it should be in the late 70s so 78,000 could be the target hopefully, aslong as they go bigger than old trafford just so we can teach them how a big stadium should sound.

Liverpool's average gate is down 1.5% this season. Why is that?

it could be cause away fans dont want to pay the huge prices?

it could be cause away fans dont want to pay the huge prices?

Wonder if they can fill 70,000 when they couldnt fill the existing stadium this year. Me thinks people are getting carried away with Uniteds success and support.

Liverpool's average gate is down 1.5% this season. Why is that?

that can easily happen with a stad way too small for a club that can fill 3 times the ammount, cos theres people like me and tens of thousands of others that dont even bother trying to get a ticket cos its too hard to get one, just look in athens theres over 70 thousand liverpool fans there, filling a 80k stadium at home will be a piece of piss.

Wonder if they can fill 70,000 when they couldnt fill the existing stadium this year. Me thinks people are getting carried away with Uniteds success and support.

to be fair manu hasn't had much success not compared to liverpools, liverpool is and will be the most successful club in the world and will be for a long long time and manu certainly doesn't have the support that liverpool gets, not forgetting that a lot of the people in OT are corprates. liverpool could fill old trafford with just their season ticket waiting list.

They already do that with 30,000 less in the ground.:)

lol i could be louder than 76,000 manu fans

to be fair manu hasn't had much success not compared to liverpools, liverpool is and will be the most successful club in the world and will be for a long long time and manu certainly doesn't have the support that liverpool gets, not forgetting that a lot of the people in OT are corprates. liverpool could fill old trafford with just their season ticket waiting list.


Is this a wind-up? :rofl:

Is it just me that fears once again, that a perfectly good thread is about to be ruined by some petty rivalry and spurious use of numbers to provoke an argument?

We all know that Liverpool could fill a bigger stadium, how big is fascinating, there is a big difference between saying "I would be there if there was space" and being there every week.

I for one would like to think they would build to 80,000, not so it is bigger than OT (as it is only a matter of time until that is expanded again), but so that for some of the lesser matches to fill the grounds, tickets that all could afford may have to be produced and get a greater variety of fans watching live top flight football, without having to go to Wigan!

^^

Chris, cracking point. What a great idea. Brilliant way to fill the new ground to capacity and a good way to attract the fans, especially the less privileged, long-suffering fans who may not normally be able to afford to see their beloved team. Hate to see the average supporter priced out or kept out either by exorbitant ticket prices or not enough seats/too many corporate-types.

I'm not a great Liverpool supporter (follow Newcastle if anyone) but would love to see them match the likes of Chelsea and Man U in the Premier League again, and get back to where they used to be; on top of their game. A big club like this, rich in history and passionately supported by die-hard fans deserves massive gates, which will allow them to build a good war-chest to get (and keep) the good players. A wealthy boss is all well and good, but they always come and go. The bottom line is its not just the players that makes a club great. The supporters do too. Sadly with all the money needed now in the top flight, gates are all-important to keep a club big in the long-term (none of this Chelsea sugar-daddy rubbish), and with supporters like Liverpool's, the Reds and their fans deserve a massive ground. Like you say, if sometimes the support is down, seats sold cheaper will be snapped up by people who no doubt always queue up to get tickets but never manage to watch their team play. More Scouse supporters - as much as Geordie fans - deserve a better chance to see their beloved side play.

Anfield has served Liverpool well, holds a great atmosphere but it's time a huge club like this got a huge ground and paid back more of its loyal supporters by providing them with 80,000 seats to park their hairy, scally arses on. Let's just hope they do a good job with the new Kop.

but its time a huge club like this got a huge ground and paid back more of their loyal supporters by providing them with 80,000 seats to park their scally arses on.

LOL.:)

From an interview with the new owners on itv.com


He claims to have a very sure and well-plotted plan for exactly what the 'new Anfield' will be and it would seem his ambitions for Liverpool have no bounds.

"First of all it's going to be unique to Liverpool. It's going to be built where the most prominent feature will be the new Kop.

"The new Kop will be bigger than the old Kop. It'll be more prominent. It'll be, our architects referred to us, like the symphony stage playing to the rest of the symphony hall.

"We'll create the stadium where it is an entertainment hall around the Kop. It's not going to be symmetrical. It's going to be unique.

"Each side is going to be a little different, which is the way stadiums have grown up in England. I think it'll tie into the tradition. But it'll be centred on the Kop.

"We have to get permission to let it grow, we're going to build it where it can have a much larger capacity than we have the approval for right now.

So it may be even bigger than the proposed 61,000 seats?

"We're going to build it where it has the capacity to be much larger than that. We'll build it at the smaller size to start if that's what we need to do, but somewhere along the line we hope to get the approval from the transportation authorities to be able to handle more people. Somewhere in the mid to high 70s."

all sides will be different? that doesnt sound good. For a stadium of this size, I wonder if the stadium will look good inside... I was under the impression that 3 sides would be identical, 3-tiered maybe, and the kop would be the only different stand-single tiered...

No I think it's a great idea. The more different each side the better - obviously there'll have to be some cohesion as well.

No I think it's a great idea. The more different each side the better - obviously there'll have to be some cohesion as well.


I don't think these fellas are new to the stadium building game so I think the design they go with will be a bit special.I'm not sure what stadiums they have worked on though.I think the idea of them building the stadium in that way is so they can increase the capacity well into the high 70's without having to apply for a seperate planning application that will hold up the stadium.

And of course, there’s the new stadium at Stanley Park. Having seen where your Texas Rangers team play, that’s an astonishing stadium, one of the most attractive I’ve ever seen. Is that the model for the new Anfield?
We’re working hard on that now. There’s been a plan that has been approved. We want to find ways to improve on what has been planned because it was done mostly 7 years ago and a lot has changed. We’re still early in that process, but our goal is to make the new stadium for Liverpool the finest football stadium in the world.

That will be finished when, do you think?
We want to get going in the next couple of months. We have architects from London and from here in Liverpool today or tomorrow I think.

Will the new stadium cater for a spread of interest?
One of things you do is have a broader menu of pricing: cheaper seats for people who are attracted to that, or need that to afford to go, and more amenities for people who are in a position to pay for it. There won’t be a bad seat in the house.

We have some very good ideas of ways to regenerate what will be called Anfield Park, where the existing Anfield is, and I think that could be an exciting part of the neighbourhood as well.

So you would incorporate the old Anfield into the new space?
Yes, that’s the plan that has been approved, to have the old Anfield be a park or regenerated area in a way that is great for the fans. People can live there, play there, have a beer or two and some food, maybe have a hotel. There’s a lot of people that are attracted to the idea of being close to the pitch there at the new Anfield.

We’re very comfortable that Rick Parry is the perfect guy to be the Chief Executive Officer at Liverpool, and everything we’ve seen of Rafa Benitez, we think we’ve got the right manager as well, so we look forward to meeting with him.

Are you open to suggestions from people who use the Kop?
Absolutely, we are planning to have some kind of survey for Kop fans. There are lots of decisons to make, not just what it looks like. What we want, is to design the best football stadium in the world and be very unique. When people see it, we want them to say ‘that’s Liverpool’.

From RedandWhiteKop - Link http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=173924.msg3046523#msg3046523

I wrote to Tom Hicks prior to the Champions League Final, about a number of things e.g. UEFA ticket allocation,
our distribution of tickets, the new stadium, poor service to the fans on match-days etc., etc.

I received a personalized reply from the guy - which means he has gone up in my estimation exponentially -
how many people receive a reply from Parry - most letters go staight into the bin.

Anyway, this is what he had to say on the stadium.

"I spent four hours at our architect's offices this afternoon (and do so every other week) and reviewed our final plans which will be formally submitted to the City Council and the Planners on June 18. I believe you, and all of our fans, will be pleased with the new design, which not only will be absolutely the best football stadium in the world, but will also have lots of English and Anfield historical connections."

Unfortunately he didn't mention what capacity - so i guess we will have to wait until the 18th June, to get some more detail - unless any other snippets of information come out. But I am confident it will be far superior in design to the original.

Roll on June 18th :)

Fingers crossed for the design and the high end 70,000 :).

He seems pretty excited about it himself. I do quite like these guys. A far cry for the Glazers. Maybe we should change the capacity in the thread title to 70k+ :D

Another snippet from the telegraph - link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/06/05/ufnrup05.xml)

On a more positive note, Hicks is keen to show fans the finished design for the club's new stadium, to be built close to the current Anfield ground in Stanley Park.

"The design is now final, it's spectacular and I can't wait for everybody to see it," he asaid. "I think our fans will love it, it's very creative architecture, very contemporary but also unique to Liverpool.

"It is all centred around the Kop. It will be the symphony stage that plays to the symphony hall."

Exciting times.

"spectacular", "creative" and "contemporary" are scary words.

Liverpool Council comment and first indication of new capacity - 68,0000 + further expansion capability - link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=platini-sets-the-record-straight%26method=full%26objectid=19251000%26page=2%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)


Spectacular’ new stadium plans to go before council

LIVERPOOL FC co-owner Tom Hicks yesterday revealed that new “spectacular” plans for the proposed stadium at Stanley Park will be submitted to the city council before the end of this month.

A team of US architects have completely re-drawn the plans for the new stadium that will create a spectacular home for the club, Mr Hicks said in an interview in the US.

It is likely the new plans will be delivered to the council offices at Millennium House around June 28 to enable planning officers to assess the revised scheme.

Last night, the city council’s regeneration executive member, Mike Storey, said the city had “struck oil” when the club was taken over by Mr Hicks and his business partner George Gillette.

In the interview, Mr Hicks said he is keen to show fans the finished design for the club’s new stadium, to be built close to the current Anfield ground in Stanley Park.

“The design is now final, it’s spectacular and I can’t wait for everybody to see it,” he said. “I think our fans will love it, it’s very creative architecture, very contemporary but also unique to Liverpool. It is all centred around the Kop.”

The club’s new home is expected to be finished in time for the start of the 2010 season.

Cllr Storey, who has had a number of briefings about the emerging scheme, said: “There really will be a wow factor when people see the new scheme.

“The design has been radically changed and I am sure that people in the city will realise we have struck oil by having two people with the wherewithal to produce such a stunning scheme.

“They really have got the business experience and the eye for detail that will put the new Liverpool stadium on the world map.”

A spokesman for the city council said last night: “Because the design has changed, a new planning permission will be necessary. We understand that the club will be submitting its new plans within a matter of weeks.”

It is expected that the new design will incorporate an expanded capacity of up to 68,000 compared to the currently permitted 61,000, with the potential for further expansion in the future.

18th today, any news, when will it get announced/released!!

C'mon....it's taking ages this!

18th is gets handed to council, it will be unveiled to the public later this month.

18th today, any news, when will it get announced/released!!

C'mon....it's taking ages this!

I think they're going to bang in for the original 61,000 capacity to avoid any lengthy delays and revise the planning application to 68,000 once they're on site.In order for the ground to be any bigger they must first get the transport infrastructure sorted,that's what was reported on the Anfield thread anyway,I don't know how accurate it is?

From Red and White Kop (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=164271.msg3107513#new)

Rushian
I was shown a picture a week or so back. On it the Kop was separate from the other three sides with a "bunker's paradise" gap out into Stanley Park which makes me think it was an earlier concept drawing and not the finished version.

The Kop itself was huge and steep, and looked like a mix between the Sud Tribune at Dortmund and one of the side stands at Marseille - going back for ever and was semi circular at the top. The wings of the Kop wrapped around slightly.

The two side stands looked like they might have a small paddock at the front (the bunker seats?) then three tiers above that - a bit like largest side stand at the San Siro?

The end opposite the Kop was two tier and reminded me of the smaller end at Porto's Dragao Stadium.

The roof was supported on scaffolding towers reminiscent of either the vertical stems of construction cranes or lighting rigs at stadium gigs. In shape from above the roof appeared to be two halves of a beetle shell - flat and slightly broader at the Kop end than the narrower opposite end. It also appears to initially rise up from the Kop and then slope down to the other end, before floating above the "Anny Road" like the roof at Porto's stadium.



mojo7
Just to add to Rushian description above, I've now had the chance to see the 3d massing of the stadium for myself. I can appreciate the comments of previous posters in saying it is difficult to describe but hey what the hell I will give it a go...oh and I agree, it looks absolutely nothing like the ‘toilet’ in the earlier images…in fact the opposite could be said in that it’s entirely asymmetric…I’m struggling to find a parallel line in the roof structure.

Even though the terracing is relatively conventional in the sense that there are four fairly square sides at pitch level, the height is greatest at the kop end reducing down to the opposite Priory Road end but not massively so that it looks odd. I would compare the outer façade as a toned down version of a Frank Gehry Building..not quite as mad but approaching his signature style…I’ve only seen the massing model which would arguably enhance this impression... not sure of the materials but an educated guess would suggest it will be varied in colour, weight and texture…each stand being quite different from the other and each fragmented in their own right. The Kop has echoes of the new Valencia stadium to the rear. Whether intentional or not it seems to reflect the way British grounds have been built in the past, i.e. where stadiums would grow and modernise by developing one side at a time, reflecting the era they were built and creating a rather adhoc arrangement of styles. If this was the source of inspiration I think it has been very bold and clever. If not, then well it’s just my interpretation of it and I think it fits the concept very well.

I really hope they’ve been keeping the locally planners aware of their ideas. This appears to be a very avant-garde design and will be tourist attraction in its own right - although I can also understand many not appreciating it - you could almost run parallels with the Scottish Houses of Parliament in terms of the adulation and controversy that it sparked. Potential RIBA award?..hmmm, will wait and see, but most definitely stands a better chance than the previous effort…apologies to AFL as I know you were on a budget!

Cost…well I wouldn’t want to guess really…especially with the vast volume of accommodation being shown beneath the terracing and the apparent lack of standardisation/repetition of construction.

Anyway I will leave it at that…hope it gives people a better feel for what’s coming their way…sorry if it’s added to the confusion. I’m really looking forward to the official release of the scheme…not only to see the design in all its glory but also to see the reaction of everyone.

In short, yes I really like it, but i know non-football fixated colleagues looking at it and saying 'why is it like that...it doesn't conform to the typical new stadium genre'. I like the way the designers have actually dared to depart from the 'perfect c-value 3-tiered non-descript oval' solution seen at ashburton, wembley etc...I think it is very creditable and ironic that it has taken an american outfit more familiar with the more sterile 'Let's go Dodgers/Yankees/Insert name' chants to have actually considered not only Liverpool's heritage but also british football...way too many british architects are designing stadia without first hand experience about football culture or traditions. Of the few stadiums i have been involved in (unfortunately i'm not on this one ) the emphasis is placed on the external architectural appearance, perfect views and circulation...obviously extremely important aspects but they miss/ignore those themes that underpin football, in particular the development of stadiums, in this country. This is the first new stadium I know of where they've taken the positive features from the past and incorporated into the modern day version...i'm so glad it's Anfield breaking the new ground in stadia design.

Mockup from Descriptions

Stands

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6019/roofoffqj2.jpg

With Roof

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4756/roofonpd4.jpg

Toilet!!!

Arf.

So, pretty similar in concept to Soldier Field....

From what I've read, the Kop will be gigantic, but will curve at the edges of it. The stands at the side will be similar in shape to the Stade Velodrome's (three or two tiers), whilst the stand opposite the kop, will be much less impressive, and will hold the away fans, and will be designed in a way that that noise from there will dissapeer! :D

even if it does turn out to look slightly like a toilet, I'd still take it everytime over everyone of our previous proposals, they were THAT bad.

The players are called back for pre-season training this Thursday, which is also the date rumoured for the stadium press conference. Lets hope so eh?

Our friendlies start on the 7th (Wrexham), and Benitez definitely wants a player signed up before then.

A couple of images have been posted on Red and White Kop Website, the guys there can't decide if they are early versions or an amateur effort based on descriptions that came out last week. The Kop is at different ends in both images.

Images removed from Imageshack

no roof at either end?

It's different, but I hope it doesn't look like that.

I like how the Kop looks onto the old Anfield site. However the roof looks awful and I don't know what's going on with the checkered seats.

That looks pretty interesting. I suppose those gaps are what they will use to expand if they get permission for a higher capacity at a later date.

p.8, new stadium evolution thread, redandwhitekop.com - pics of the ground with the outer skin added - WOW (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=164525.280).

More Images leaking out now, proper roof and concourse added

Images are getting moved off Imageshack

oi, i beat you to it! :D

looks amazing. build it.

That is stunning!

Fantastic roof! Do I spot checkered seats on the second render?

I'm truly impressed,that'll look amazing next to the future Anfield Plaza.:D

no roof at either end?

It's different, but I hope it doesn't look like that.

I know you like Wembley sparks, but Anfield is going to be a proper football stadium!!

Did anyone save the pics?, I've seen the pics taken from the video presentation.

These

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5719/newground3rz7wn8.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6601/newground4rl2an1.jpg

They look very interesting, the first pics posted yesterday look like they were done by a 13 year old.

However, what is going on with the shape of the stand opposite The Kop, it's at an angle of about 20 degrees at ground level.

why is everyone pulling the pics, only just heard there was pics, vitalfootball says first pics of stadium and when i clicked link they removed story and pics

However, what is going on with the shape of the stand opposite The Kop, it's at an angle of about 20 degrees at ground level.

I think that may be the roof you are seeing, as the same colour is to the rear and is definately roof. You can see a tiny part of the seating in bottom left corner of that roof section that isnt obscured by the roof. This is also evident if you campare the roof between the lower and upper image, hope that solves the mystery. :)

I think that may be the roof you are seeing, as the same colour is to the rear and is definately roof. You can see a tiny part of the seating in bottom left corner of that roof section that isnt obscured by the roof. This is also evident if you campare the roof between the lower and upper image, hope that solves the mystery. :)

:nuts: Yep you're right, I noticed my mistake almost as soon as I posted.

are them pics definately what it looks like?

are them pics definately what it looks like?

I'm not sure, but i hope so, this looks great, maybe an official announcement will be happening soon.

If that is what it looks like and it gets approved then Liverpool will have one of the best modern structures built anywhere I reckon.

cant say im overly keen on the pics yet, but once i see some proper hi res shots im sure i'll start to like it

hideous..simply trying too hard to be unique

hideous..simply trying too hard to be unique

Which is exactly what you want.

Which is exactly what you want.

we want unique yes. but trying too hard, no.

we want unique yes. but trying too hard, no.

Given the choice between trying to hard or building a an identikit football stadium I know which one I would prefer. Putting the focus of the new stadium on the Kop is a fantastic idea.

Given the choice between trying to hard or building a an identikit football stadium I know which one I would prefer. Putting the focus of the new stadium on the Kop is a fantastic idea.

i agree

true. is that design inspired by the 2012 logo?

Well I only wish that proposal was for the new Everton stadium,I think it's fantastic.

does any one have any more pics on the new stadium i have searched hi and low and have only found a couple on here. i cant wait any longer they are taking ages. any one help please

does any one have any more pics on the new stadium i have searched hi and low and have only found a couple on here. i cant wait any longer they are taking ages. any one help please

They're supposed to be released to the public tomorrow?

Looks like the existing Anfield viewed through the back of a spoon....:)

On the aerial shot it looks like not all of the seats are covered by the roof?

Looks like the existing Anfield viewed through the back of a spoon....:)

On the aerial shot it looks like not all of the seats are covered by the roof?

lol
seen two examples of it now but bet its ages before the new design comes out. the pictures got leaked on a website any one seen them,
this is driving me crazy

the new plans for the stadium are reportedly set to be revealed this week, possibly at the same time as the signing of Torres is officially announced.

apparently Torres has cut short his holiday to have a medical

and he's passed the medical and will sign tomorrow.

Lets hope the plans are to eh?

Maybe the concerns about the shadows cast by the roof was the reason for the delay.

According to the beeb, Torres will be unveiled to the press at 3pm today. Tbh, I can't see them announcing the stadium plans at the same time; they've just spent the best part of £30 million on a player, they won't want that story overshadowed in any way.

anyone else getting wound up waiting like me

Yep!

anyone else getting wound up waiting like me

It can be annoying when it has been reported and mentioned and approved then delayed the reviewed then snippets released. Best just forget about it, relax and then one day when your mind is elsewhere all of a sudden it's announced, you see the plans, and you can enjoy it, rather than saying "thank Fu@k thats over, it been announced". :cheers:

Liverpool are set to unveil plans that will make their new stadium the biggest in British club football. The initial capacity is set to be 60,000 but the eventual aim is the high seventies - beating the total of 76,000 fans who can fit into Manchester United's ground. (Sunday Mirror) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6281534.stm

Submitted to council on the 25th July. Not TOO long.

I won't even bother speculating as to when the public will see the plans, as every time we do, we are left disappointed.

They're looking at a capacity of 80,000 eventually.

Liverpool are set to unveil plans that will make their new stadium the biggest in British club football. The initial capacity is set to be 60,000 but the eventual aim is the high seventies - beating the total of 76,000 fans who can fit into Manchester United's ground. (Sunday Mirror) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6281534.stm

Hopefully Man U will eventually expand the south tier and corners, which could make it the largest stadium in the UK with more capacity than Wembley even!

^^that would be great, 96,000 is it?

top ten stadium capacities 10 years time:

1. Old Trafford-96,000
2. Wembley-90,000
3. Twickinham-82,000
4. New Anfield-80,000
5. Emirates Stadium-75,000
6. New Chelsea Stadium-70,000
7. Spurs' New WHL-65,000
8. St. James' Park-60,000
9. Everton stadium-55,000
10. New Hammers Stadium-50,000

would be good if this country had a few stadiums like the above in 10 years...

It's only right the 2 most successful clubs in English football should have the 2 largest club stadia!

They're looking at a capacity of 80,000 eventually.

Why not 200,000, they cant even fill 45,000 atm

Why not 200,000, they cant even fill 45,000 atm

why do u think so?
hello.. LIVERPOOL !
liverpool in the good times can reach even to the 60,000-50,000.

did u see how many fans liverpool sent to athens on the final cup match?

Freeluas, you my sir, are an idiot. Do you have any idea what its like trying to get a season ticket at anfield?

Hopefully Man U will eventually expand the south tier and corners, which could make it the largest stadium in the UK with more capacity than Wembley even!

This could be another Real Madird/Barca, Chicago/New York "my dick's bigger than yours" scenario! Be great to see that compitition working positively.

Why not 200,000, they cant even fill 45,000 atm

Liverpool's ground currently holds 45,000 and there is a 53,000 waiting list according to today's daily post,don't let some footballing rivalry shape your opinion.

The match day capacity varies as well depending on segregation issues, press etc.

The fact remains you struggle to get your hands on a match ticket and regardless of the published attendance the tickets sell out for every game and the touts charge hundreds.

The fact is we could just fill Anfield currently with an entire STH allocation, but we don't to allow other people in who cannot commit

Hopefully Man U will eventually expand the south tier and corners, which could make it the largest stadium in the UK with more capacity than Wembley even!

AFAIK, the council would block any further attempts to expand Old Trafford:banana:

AFAIK, the council would block any further attempts to expand Old Trafford:banana:

...unless certain credentials are met, e.g. improved transport, access etc... which seems a very good possibility, especially with a new Trafford metrolink line, with another Man U stop, plus park and ride schemes near the M60! :cheers:

I'd have thought the only thing stopping an expansion of Old Trafford at some point would be cost/engineering, mind you the place is a nightmare to get to and from now so transport will have to improve.

With media city under construction less than a mile away, transport HAS to improve, full stop!

Old Trafford will expand, there is always a 5 year gap between expansion completing, and the next part starting.

Fergal has been making comments recently in forgein papers about a 100k stadium, and the councillors I know say as the largest private employer in Trafford they'd get pretty much whatever they ask for - they bring an awful lot of kudos to the area.

Many of the houses on Railway Road are currently up for sale, some already demolished - there are rumours it is United buying them all up, only to knock them down as and when they need to build over the railway.

Freeluas, you my sir, are an idiot. Do you have any idea what its like trying to get a season ticket at anfield?

Why then was it not full for many matches this season and the previous ones?

freelaus does actually hit upon a valid point here.

For early rounds of cup competitions, both United and to some extend Liverpool fail to draw the fans as they would for a bigger game.

Am I right in thinking for early cup matches Liverpool have some sort of discount scheme whereby a kid and an adult gets in very very cheaply to encourage more people into the less attractive games?

FWIW - the Glazers in their infinte wisdom have 'solved' this problem by forcing all season ticket holders to be in the automatic cup scheme, ensuring way over 60k guarenteed for each and every game - no matter which team united put out, and not matter who we play.

Talk of the new Anfield being expanded to 80,000 is a little off beam at the moment.

The new owners themselves have already said the original planned expansion, capacity wise, will go ahead. The stadium is expandable further down the line.

Three reasons for this I see:

1. Planning permission only allows for 60,000
2. Increasing capacity by 16,000 is a reasonable jump for any club, to keep supply/demand and use of the all important corporate side Full. It takes a lot longer to fill the exec seats/meals than the pleb seats.
3. Do any club in the Uk have 80,000 fans to turn up for EVERY game.

Point 3 is highly relevant. The new owners have done exactly what the Glazers have done and borrowed the money against the clubs assets and future income. Ticket prices will rise dramatically, unless you are a tad green behind the ears.

Regardless of which, let them build as big as they can because 10,20.30 years down the line the asset is in place and you can ride the good/gad years on/off the field.

Anfield sold out for every game last season (well apart from Middlesborough I think were return tickets from them went on sale at 4pm on the day for an evening game - unadvertised).

League Cup games are discounted to £20/£22 adults and a few kids tickets at a tenner.

Liverpool FC run an automated cup ticket scheme - it's voluntary and over half subscribed last season, this season it's expected to be closer to 100%.

Hicks and Gillet have taken on personal debt, they haven't mortgaged the club or future revenues. They've stated that they'll take a dividend as and when allowed to repay the intrest. The stadium will be factored by the football club against future revenues by way of a loan. Prices will fall and rise, I think we're about to see a step change in football pricing for the UK. They'll be a more flexible and dynamic price structure in place as seen across Europe and the US.

Anyone who discounts the pulling power of Liverpool FC is a fool.

Gillett & Hick have stated they have borrowed against Liverpool.

For a personal loan, you still have to account for the repayments, set against the earning potential of LFC.

Only a fool thinks LFC will not be paying back c£50m a year in interest. Do you for one minute think two yanks have gifted LFC £250million! That is cloud cuckoo land. Abromovich has loaned Chelsea the money! He only covers the interest payments, if he left tomorrow they are bolloxed.

When do you think Gillett & Hicks are going to get there money back? They are not in there 30's anymore!

LFC, MUFC, Arsenal for varying reasons are hugley in debt and will be paying out over £120m a year in interest payments.

I don't know what their strategy is Fly and I'm not niave enough to think there won't be money going out but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Many ways to skin a cat but you still end up with a pile of bones and a shabby (geddit) skin.

20 Premier League clubs

US owned:
Manchester United
Liverpool
Aston Villa
Arsenal (soon)

Foreign Owned:
Chelsea
Portsmouth
Manchester City
West Ham

So 8 already would be in favour of what distant dumb ass ideas?

Salary Cap, team relocation (Leeds needs a large franchise!), draft picks.

Who knows, but we are a lot closer today than we were only 2 years ago.

I'm not so sure about the future when these vultures sit thousands of miles away, rubbing their hands at £1,000 per person minimum `All Game' season tickets.

Gillett & Hick have stated they have borrowed against Liverpool.

For a personal loan, you still have to account for the repayments, set against the earning potential of LFC.

Only a fool thinks LFC will not be paying back c£50m a year in interest. Do you for one minute think two yanks have gifted LFC £250million! That is cloud cuckoo land. Abromovich has loaned Chelsea the money! He only covers the interest payments, if he left tomorrow they are bolloxed.

When do you think Gillett & Hicks are going to get there money back? They are not in there 30's anymore!

LFC, MUFC, Arsenal for varying reasons are hugley in debt and will be paying out over £120m a year in interest payments.


Not discounting what has been said with regards to the investment, but both Gillett and Hicks have stated that the comittment we be 'multi-generational' from both families. Foster Gillett (GG's son) will be assuming an executive role on the board from August 1st, his family is moving with him to England.

Yes they will be looking for ROI, but not necessarily in the short / medium term.

I'd have thought the only thing stopping an expansion of Old Trafford at some point would be cost/engineering, mind you the place is a nightmare to get to and from now so transport will have to improve.

The Local Football club in Dublin had a prize of tickets and travel to Man Utd as a prize. Anyhow a colleague won. They stayed in a Hotel in Liverpool and were driven by small couch to right outside the Ground. After the match, they were able to be picked up just outside the car park and they were back in Liverpool within the hour. Same when I went there, obviously 76,000 is a lot of people to leave any area in the space of an hour but theres no problem except you have to do a lot of walking at O.T. Going by car is just stupid. I walked to O.T. from virtually the city centre, its only a few miles after all.
Think its been said before United can build over the railway, they already have outline permission, the Railway would want payment for their Airspace. Aparently United own many of the houses behind the railway line.
Think its only a matter of 4-5 years of full houses signs and it will happen, maybe not to 96,000 but easily 84,000 without overhanging the railway. Probably cost over 100million Pounds.

Not discounting what has been said with regards to the investment, but both Gillett and Hicks have stated that the comittment we be 'multi-generational' from both families. Foster Gillett (GG's son) will be assuming an executive role on the board from August 1st, his family is moving with him to England.

Yes they will be looking for ROI, but not necessarily in the short / medium term.

I'm sure they are looking for a return, that's why they invested. The Glazers have also made a `multi-generational' committment. Nothing new there, just what you would expect from meglo-maniac billionare owners and there offspring....MiniMe?

Only time will tell with this one, but for the long-term good of the club does stadium building come before team building....before anyone gets giddy about Torres, with Bellamy and Alonso leaving the net outlay is under £20m this summer, with a £20m+ increase in TV money. Including previous years, allowances, this must be the lowest net (when the increased revenues are considered) outlay in many a year?

Don't believe the hype, just the actions. The stadium after all was already planned before these boys took over, the only thing they have promised was a redesign and allowance for capacity increase. Not a real penny spent there then?

With the spending of Chelsea and United will the stadium spend mean Liverpool will be a number of years from affording a squad to win the league....not doubting Rafa's tactical nouse to win cup comps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6517517.stm


Liverpool submit new stadium plan
Artists impression of inside of proposed new Liverpool FC stadium
The stadiums plans are set to become a reality
Liverpool have submitted plans for their new stadium at Stanley Park to the city council and hope to begin work by the end of the year.

The proposal sets out a timetable for construction of the arena, which could cost £280m and has a 60,000 capacity.

A planning application is scheduled for 25 July and the stadium has potential for expansion to accommodate 80,000 fans, reports the Liverpool Echo.

Liverpool hope to receive permission by October and start work before 2008.

New Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks said recently: "The design is now final. It's spectacular and I can't wait for everybody to see it.

"I think our fans will love it. It's very creative architecture, very contemporary but also unique to Liverpool.

"It is all centred around the Kop - it will be the symphony stage that plays to the symphony hall."

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=liverpool-fc-we-8217-ll-build-our-new-stadium-by-2010%26method=full%26objectid=19451242%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

THE ECHO can today reveal the detailed timetable to deliver Liverpool FC’s new stadium.

Anfield officials have delivered precise plans to the city council which would lead to work starting in Stanley Park by the end of the year.

Despite calling back the bulldozers who were due to start work in May, the club is confident the 60,000-capacity stadium will still be ready for the start of the 2010 season.

The £280m project’s new timescale was revealed today as city officials waited for the club to unveil its redrawn proposals for New Anfield.


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Reds’ owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks decided to go back to the drawing board after buying the club to see if stadium capacity could be increased beyond 60,000.

As revealed in Monday’s ECHO, the American owners intend to retain the original capacity, but redesign it significantly so it can be expanded later.

Now Liverpool council is being given a firm timescale which the club hopes to stick to. It would mean:

A planning application being lodged on July 25.

The council granting planning permission by the end of October.

Government officials agreeing not to intervene by the end of November.

Work starting at the end of the year.

Councillors will also be asked to agree a 999-year lease for the site to new company Stadco, which is being set up by Liverpool to develop the ground.

The club would have to pay rent of £300,000 a year.

Plans to refurbish the rest of Stanley Park have not changed, although a proposal to convert the Isla Gladstone conservatory into a facility similar to Sefton Park’s palm house has now emerged.

Cllr Berni Turner, executive member for the environment, said: “We are thinking about something like a cafe bar, which would be available for weddings, funerals and bar mitzvahs.”

Rent money received from Liverpool, along with £350,000 a year from the council’s own budget, will be used to maintain the park and conservatory for years to come.

The plans will be discussed by councillors at a meeting next week.



The timetable

JULY 25 , 2007 – this is the date that Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks says the revised plans will be submitted to Liverpool council, a month later than originally planned.

OCTOBER 2007 – the council will then face a race against time to re-examine the proposals and decide whether to grant planning perm-ission. To meet this deadline, the club will have to make sure the scheme is not dramat-ically different to its predecessor in terms of capacity and impact on the surrounding area. The original scheme was approved in summer 2004.

NOVEMBER 2007 – possibly the most crucial date. The government office for the north west will have to decide whether Liverpool’s plans should be “called in” for further investigation, sparking a public inquiry. This would delay the scheme by several months.

Park revamp still on

LIVERPOOL council insisted the stadium review would not affect plans to refurbish the rest of Stanley Park.


Regardless of any changes to the new ground, it will still contain a community centre. Talks continue about providing extra facilities elsewhere in north Liverpool.

Anfield Plaza, a new district centre of shops, restaurants and homes, will be created on the current stadium site, possibly with the pitch as a centrepiece.

A 24-hour security service, including CCTV, will be set up around the stadium, integrated within a surveillance proposal for the park and Gladstone conservatory.

Improvements to pavements, roads, pedestrian crossings and coach parking are planned, while new park-and-ride sites will be set up and the matchday residents-only parking zone expanded.

Seven-year struggle for new Anfield

June 2000: Plans for 70,000-seater stadium unveiled.

October 2003: Planning application for £80m, 60,000-seater stadium submitted.

July 2004: Permission given.

August 2004: John Prescott agrees not to call in plan.

January 2005: Shared stadium talks collapse.

March 2005: Stadium costs estimated at £120m.

July 2006: Liverpool insist they can afford their share of the now-£190m project.

September 2006: £9m European grant agreed.

February 2007: George Gillett and Tom Hicks take over – work to start within 60 days.

March 2007: Owners discuss increasing capacity with planners.

April 2007: Shared stadium idea finally killed. Work due to start in May.

July 2007: Hicks says new planning application for redesigned 60,000-seater stadium will be submitted at end of month.

Plans for a northern palm house

EXCITING plans could see an historic north Liverpool building turned into the area’s version of the Sefton Park palm house.

The derelict Isla Gladstone conservatory could be restored to its former glory as part of the renovation of Stanley Park.

Council officials have asked experts to draw up a detailed proposal to use the grade II-listed structure as a catering facility.

It could then be leased and run as a commercial enterprise.

The conservatory was designed by Edinburgh firm Mackenzie and Moncur and opened in 1899, 29 years after Stanley Park was created.

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=358321


Exclusive: New Liverpool Stadium Design 'Truly Revolutionary' Although the stadium plans for Liverpool’s new ground are not due to be unveiled until next week, Goal.com can exclusively reveal that the original plans have been completely overhauled, and a firm of American architects has delivered a design that is truly revolutionary.
Exclusive: New Liverpool Stadium Design 'Truly Revolutionary'
zoom - galleria

Sources close to Goal.com have told us that the pitch at the new Stanley Park stadium will be below ground level - and that the most striking element of the stadium will be a huge glass structure featuring a massive club crest that is truly iconic.

It had earlier been reported that the plans have been submitted and will now need to be passed for approval by the city’s council before work can begin.

The Liverpool Echo had reported that the proposed stadium will hold 60,000 fans and cost around £270 million to build, with work starting before the beginning of 2008.

The paper added that there could be the facility to expand capacity to 80,000 in the future.

The atmosphere created at Liverpool's existing Anfield ground (pictured) is world famous - something that the new Liverpool co-owners are keeping in mind with the new stadium design, having said recently that that it will all be "centred around the Kop" - which will be "the symphony stage that plays to the symphony hall."

Liverpool Football Club will be revealing their stunning new plans for a brand new Anfield this week

The groundbreaking plans, designed by American architects HKS, will be submitted to Liverpool City Council for planning consent on Wednesday before fans get their first glimpse of the proposed new arena.

Look out for the first pictures plus interviews with Rick Parry, Rafael Benitez and a number of first team players on Wednesday July 25 on Liverpoolfc.tv.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/

wahey, confirmation!

finally!

So it's inveiled today - but what time?

So it's inveiled today - but what time?

No it's unveiled on Wednesday Monkey.

^ Oh whoops - I thought it was Wednesday already. How blonde of me.... :laugh:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156468070724-2303.htm

11AM: NEW STADIUM PLANS REVEALED
Paul Eaton 24 July 2007

Liverpool Football Club will reveal plans for their stunning new stadium at 11am on Wednesday morning and you'll be able to see the images first on liverpoolfc.tv.
American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, in conjunction with architects HKS, have radically redisigned the original plans for the Stanley Park ground and the planning application for a brand new 60,000 seater stadium will be submitted to Liverpool City Council today.

Selected images of the new stadium will be available to view on liverpoolfc.tv from 11am when we'll also be bringing you an exclusive interview with Chief Executive Rick Parry as well as the views of manager Rafael Benitez, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher and Xabi Alonso.

nice avatar Mike

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-in1.jpg

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-ex1.jpg

it looks fucking amazing.

nice

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/media/lfc_new_stadium_design_xxxxxxx_high.asx

Ouch, my jaw just hit the floor.

What a stadium. :cheers:

This is simply the greatest designed new stadium ever finally someone has realised that not ever stand has to be uniform and split into tiers for two rows of corporate boxes, I'm no Liverpool fan by any means but this design beats that everton one by about 10 times!!!!!

Least they havent nicked Wolves future concept design for Molineux which I thought they were going to do listening to things filter out. The stadium is fantastic and I really think the Kop will regain its place in football folklore.

I feel like crying, its beautiful

...I really think the Kop will regain its place in football folklore.

Arf.

think it looks fantastic

It looks bizarre.

Fantastic. Can't wait to see it built and see how it looks in real life. Will the Kop really be that steep?