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chrisaus
March 26th, 2003, 05:19 AM
Raine Square Was going to be redeveloped several years back with 6 buildings ranging from 2-19 levels surrounding the square, but the square was sold so that never went ahead, so heres another proposal. not sure what to think about this one, i will have to wait and see.
interesting to here about the rail, though i hope the current plan goes ahead as it will have direct access to the mall and the street crn will see some major cosmetic surgery
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RAINE Square has been sold for $30 million to a group of Perth businessmen who plan to turn it into an inner-city food market and six-star hotel

But the four new owners also have the prospect of making a quick profit on their investment should the State Government's plans for the William Street train station collapse, forcing it to instead house the project in Raine Square.

Relocation of the station project to Raine Square would end the growing possibility of a stand-off between the Government and property magnate Maurice Alter, who owns most of the William Street sites that need to be acquired for the station to proceed.

Property consultants are understood to have identified considerable cost savings associated with locating the station at Raine Square.

The consortium comprises Peter Errichetti, Ralph O'Brien, Craig Hughes and Neil McKinnon.

Its plans for the 1.51ha site are due to be put before Perth City Council within a month.

The market proposal is based on shops selling upmarket, ready-to-go meals for professional workers as well as those using the new train station.

The second stage of the project could see a six-star hotel built to accommodate an influx of visitors who are expected to visit the convention and exhibition centre.

But industry analysts believe the Government could make considerable savings by purchasing Raine Square as the site for the train station.

Mr McKinnon said the group had exercised on option to buy the property for about $30 million from Maurice and Christopher Brockwell. The option was granted late last year.

He said the group planned to put the property into an unlisted property trust and then publish a prospectus to raise funds for the redevelopment of the run-down retail asset.

The group has already had discussions with an international hotel operator regarding the site's suitability for a new development.

The consortium has already acquired additional properties on Murray and Queen streets in the city, which will allow any redevelopment to extend beyond the existing parameters of Raine Square.

It believes this would be a perfect location next to the Perth railway station, the proposed south-west station on William Street, the bus station and what will be a major cultural precinct after the sinking of the railway line between the city and Northbridge, Mr McKinnon said.

The site was allowed to run down by the previous owners because they planned to redevelop the area.

Mr McKinnon said this would rejuvenate the area and give Perth a market akin to the Victoria Markets in Melbourne.

The consortium believes that once the south-west rail station is completed, the amount of pedestrian traffic moving through the area will increase considerably.

If the numbers the Government has projected for the south-west rail line between Perth and Mandurah are achieved thousands of new shoppers and commuters will move through the vicinity of Raine Square every day.

The council is supportive of a market because it is sympathetic to the Perth City Council's strategy to increase activity in the city outside traditional business hours.

The first stage of the rejuvenation of the site will simply see a number of new small retailers go into the development. The proposal won't need a formal development approval as it will not see any major structural changes to the buildings on the property.

Mr McKinnon said the consortium was realistic about the future of the site and the door had not been shut in regards to selling the site to the Government to house the new south west rail station.

The State Government is locked in negotiations with Mr Alter, the main landowner for a block of William Street properties required to construct the new city rail station.

Mr Alter has indicated he is seeking $40 million for his properties.

If a sensible bid was made for the site Mr McKinnon said the group would certainly consider it.

The figure the development consortium is looking for is understood to be close to the Government's $38 million figure budgeted to fund the acquisition of properties for the station.
www.thewest.com.au

Dilaz89
March 26th, 2003, 10:28 AM
is there any 6 star hotels in perth currently??

NZer
March 26th, 2003, 11:12 AM
I think Raine Square is actually a better place for the new station,it's further from the Esplanade stations but still close to the Malls as well as being good for Wellington Street once the current line is sunk as well.Wow this government is making huge improvements to Perth just with changes to the rail system.Perth CBD is in for a big joygasm once all this work is done.

PinkFloyd
March 26th, 2003, 12:41 PM
There are no 6 star hotels in Perth and I think the only 6 star in Australia is that Versace Hotel on the G/C (can any queenslanders help me).

chrisaus
March 26th, 2003, 12:45 PM
correct....
not the sort of location for a 6 star......

jcocks
March 27th, 2003, 07:15 AM
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Bullshit. Once the rail lines between Perth and Northbridge have been sunk getting rid of that eyesore, and the freed-up land has been turned into a cultural centre and parkland it will be a PERFECT spot for a 6-star hotel, especially if some really nice snazzy arts centres and theatres open up in the new space...

chrisaus
March 27th, 2003, 07:53 AM
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Bullshit. Once the rail lines between Perth and Northbridge have been sunk getting rid of that eyesore, and the freed-up land has been turned into a cultural centre and parkland it will be a PERFECT spot for a 6-star hotel, especially if some really nice snazzy arts centres and theatres open up in the new space...</td></tr>
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thats the councils plans, not the state governments
also it wouldn't be a cultural centre, we already have the current one plus a new proposed performing arts precint around the concert hall

PinkFloyd
March 27th, 2003, 09:04 AM
Went to the Metrorail center today. The lady said the government will be getting their way with the purchasing of those properties on William street (above the new central station). The government has the power to purchase the properties for the project somehow and they're not even thinking about putting a station under Raine Square.

chrisaus
March 27th, 2003, 09:50 AM
thats good to hear
it will be great getting out in the heart of the city in the murray street mall, and that crappy king kong building gone
wonder if king kong will move to another site ?
theres some good shops in that building though like sanity dance arena, hope they moves to another CBD site

chrisaus
September 4th, 2003, 10:02 AM
there was an article in businessnews. there are no plans for the hotel put plans for the markets are progressing. they are realising a prospectus and hope to start work in october and to be open before christmas. there will be about 200 stores if approved.

kota16
September 4th, 2003, 11:32 AM
As well as the Versace Hotel on Gold Coast, both ParkHyatt Hotels in Sydney and Melbourne are 6 star.Also the Shangri-La Hotel in Sydney,(formerly the ANA Hotel) has been rebranded and rejuvenated as a six star hotel.I think Perth can expect a collossal type of development near the underground stations,as that happened in Melbourne when they built the underground stations.

chrisaus
January 22nd, 2004, 08:35 AM
they didn't raise enough funds though they are still pushing ahead with the project

kota16
January 22nd, 2004, 10:14 AM
I read recently on the net that ShangriLa Hotels(6 star chain) plan to build one in Perth.They have an eye on the new route from Europe via Dubai to Australia.

23knots
April 16th, 2004, 04:45 PM
Project canned - site for sale.

chrisaus
April 17th, 2004, 05:57 AM
good news hopefully a development like the first one proposed goes ahead ie. 6 buildings ranging from 3-19 levels

Dilaz89
April 17th, 2004, 06:11 AM
or someting like the cinema city proposal would be great!

chrisaus
April 17th, 2004, 07:22 AM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/p0719ec4e13da639ed7e6f11582254aab/f8fc29a2.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/pb1af3d03f103497754cb6a607c4194fd/f8fc299f.jpg

perthguy78
September 9th, 2004, 11:18 AM
any news on this

perthwa
September 9th, 2004, 11:21 AM
its back on the market, hopefully a plan like the first one (6 towers from 3-19levels) will be proposed or something like QV in melbourne, the markets probably would have been trash

perthwa
October 9th, 2004, 10:14 AM
I read the site could house up to 55,000 sq m of retail space what would be a massive boost for the CBD retail market, similar size to a smaller mega mall

Dilaz89
October 10th, 2004, 04:52 AM
could our population really sustain that much at once???

perthwa
October 10th, 2004, 06:04 AM
the mega malls are probably packed full of freaks everyday so im sure the CBD with a working population of over 100,000 could sustain it unless people sit in the office at lunch, and don't go walkabouts....

perthwa
October 15th, 2004, 06:26 PM
a sum up of western australian businessnews article

-Up to 10 levels
-construction as soon as tenant found
-posible design competion
-connection to bus & train station
-2 levels retail
-major retails 2500-5000 sq m
-retail 2 historic buildings
-realisticly won't start for over a year
-150 room hotel
-5000sq m floor plates up to 30,000 sq m office space


sounds like a plan to develope site a fast as possible and totaly underdevelope it, and those floorplates are bloody insane, what a bloody crap and a waste plan, this site is perfect for plazas, squares, piazzas, parks, multiple towers, significant retail, cafes, bars and high class urban design....

Dilaz89
October 16th, 2004, 12:17 PM
bullshit...

Dilaz89
June 6th, 2005, 10:31 AM
they are still on the search for tenant, though still no developmet appliction, lets hope it has fallen through

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 07:30 AM
http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/admin/files/article/property-lge254.jpg

Developer Luke Saraceni is preparing to lodge a development approval for Raine Square, the latest addition in the race to get a new office building out of the ground in the CBD.

Mr Saraceni, who bought the site for $21.5 million last year with partner Hossean Pourzand, told WA Business News architect Edwin Bollig of Bollig Design Group had designed a building for the site and that a development approval for a nine-storey, 30,000 square metre building would be lodged soon.

“We will have floor plates of 5,000 square meters, which will provide an efficiency for users, and with that comes lower occupancy costs,” Mr Saraceni said.

“We will be able to ask for rents $100 a square metre cheaper than are being asked for 125 St Georges Terrace.”

He said the building would have a four-and-a-half green star rating, and due to the large floor plates would be perfect for government or resource tenants.

Mr Bollig said the new contemporary building would be fully integrated with the existing heritage hotels on the site and would provide a contrast between old and new.

Mr Bollig’s recent work includes the SGIO and Conoco Philips buildings in West Perth, the Aspects retail outlet in King’s Park, and the current Plaza Arcade refurbishment.

There has been speculation in the leasing market recently over proposals for several new buildings, decreasing vacancy rates and the large amount of tenancies that are expiring in the next two years.

While Multiplex filed a development application for 125 St Georges Terrace last month, industry analysts are sceptical that the developers will secure anchor tenants at rents well above market levels.

But, in a tightening leasing market, tenants are also being warned to secure new leases early in order to ensure space and avoid rising rents.

NSC Corporate joint managing director Steve Carulli said there was enough leasing stock in the market for the next 12 months, but that tenants needed to be proactive to ensure they secured sufficient space to cater for their needs.

“Developers are going to struggle to get $400 a square meter to anchor new buildings, the market just isn’t there,” he said.

“Margins are tighter than ever and tenants want efficiency rather than excess and ivory towers.

“Perth went through the same stage in the cycle 15 years ago, and what resulted was smaller fringe CBD development, which is less dependant on big re-commitments and easier to get out of the ground.”

Colliers International director Ian Campbell said that any office development would be tenant, and not supply, led.

“What some tenants may be forgetting is that any development takes two and a half to three years to complete, and if space is becoming tight now then tenants could be forced to pay higher rent in lesser buildings,” Mr Campbell said.

“A lot of companies and government departments will have to make decisions in the next 12 to 18 months about where they want to be, and if they don’t have their heads around where they want to be they may miss out.

“It’s a very exciting time in Perth – the last time industry talked about developing was the late 1980s, and at that time rents doubled over 18 months.

“That won’t necessarily happen now, but there will be significant rental growth over the next two years.”

mikeyraw
July 6th, 2005, 07:47 AM
That looks awesome, paired with the new development oppurtunity over the road on top of the new traino.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 07:53 AM
TRAIN STATION DAMMIT, fuk wots with our youth and this bogan talk, shit things have names for reason, why go and talk like a yobbo...

perths abit small to sustain a development like this, well it could go up now worries, but i we dont have the space take up to waste a new development on campus offices, campus offices belong out of the cbd near transit/entertainment hubs, thought its better it be in the city than outer suruban areas i guess, but id prefer the tower to the fliped and become a tower not a ground scraper

mikeyraw
July 6th, 2005, 07:58 AM
"wots wif our youth and da bogan talk"... There's a Hypocrite if you have ever seen one.

Your calling me a yobbo? Thats rich mate. Your names fucking chrilaz89aus. I bet you think your Uber chic berlin dont you, with you intense knowledge of cafe culture and extensive travel intenary to europe bi annually. Get off your High horse.

Traino is used by alot of people nowadays, as short for train station. You know, people that only wear boardies when they are swimming.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 08:09 AM
lots of people use it, thanx for proving how fuked the new generation is, better be a sheep if one person does it then its okay... train station is longer for 'traino' with all these short/bogansied terms, its really hard to understand what people say these days... its funny how when you are a fan of using thing by their names your branded up your self... and as the rich people who talk like street trash, its 'takn da piss'

mikeyraw
July 6th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Sorry how old are you? Mid to late thirties? All this talk of New Generation really is bullshit. I suspect you are either in your very late teens or maybe early twenties, so you really have no place talking about this younger generation that you dread.

I still can't believe the quote "TRAIN STATION DAMMIT, fuk wots with our youth and this bogan talk, shit things have names for reason, why go and talk like a yobbo...". I mean seriousley, read it again to yourself. All I can here is a 13 year old screaming it at me. I personally think the local slang is alot more appropriate than 13 year old girl SMS speak.

Oh, I forgot, traino traino traino.

Back on topic to the development, I dont think the city is too small, the theory "if you build it they will come" generally comes up trumps. This hotel will also be great in regard to the linking of north bridge and the city.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 08:20 AM
and also if they come people will build it lol, if only the city was swarming with people again then more retail etc would come, but people always go when the city gets somethign ill go back again, until people start going back into the city the things wont come, went retailers see the city swarming theyll want to invest, imo even if the city gets boring i still fully support it because if no one goes no one will want to invest, its all good peple saying when they build it ill come, if you come then peple will build it, i guess someone has to make the first move, ie developers make the risk and people go to give teh populatin to sustain it....

but on this building perth can sustain it, but it could mean this is our once in every 4 year buildings, do we want this site to be wasted on lowrise or do we want our once and awhile building to be something big and bold.... they should stage it with smaller developments

mikeyraw
July 6th, 2005, 08:30 AM
When you supply exceeds demand, demand usually rises and prices fall. That is usually a good thing. More buisnesses want to be based out of the CBD. I think perth definetly needs the classy hotel, when you look at the CBD's current options. Not very good at all.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 08:34 AM
very true, perth needs a new 6 star brand new international hotel, alot of the hotels are aging and falling apart, to many conversions, though the hotel is the old plan, this is office no hotel, the thread just hasnt been updated (hello mods), perth needs a noice hotel to attract the lucrative business and boutique market where teh real spending power is. perth is a city where supply tend to be lacking in some markets like good apartments, they sell so fast, because the nimbys make it hard for them to go out, when one in a good location goes up they sell like hot cakes

mikeyraw
July 6th, 2005, 08:43 AM
I thought it was a hotel and office. Atleast it still looks good. We really need a good hotel/s.

Citystyle
July 6th, 2005, 10:16 AM
This is what perth needs north of the city Modern buildings with the old facade in front currently the whole area looks: PUKE

Ipggi
July 6th, 2005, 10:37 AM
Will add some density to the area, probably more so then a tall but skinny tower. It's amazing how denser an area looks when you have buildings @ 6+ stories instead of 2+

Perth4life14
July 6th, 2005, 12:21 PM
lots of people use it, thanx for proving how fuked the new generation is, better be a sheep if one person does it then its okay... train station is longer for 'traino' with all these short/bogansied terms, its really hard to understand what people say these days... its funny how when you are a fan of using thing by their names your branded up your self... and as the rich people who talk like street trash, its 'takn da piss'

lol @ this whole thing.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 01:51 PM
dilaz-
really hope this flops. My guess is that it will. i'm VERY sure that city sqaure is very close to securing bank west and possibly NAB as tennants.the govt. will be kickstarting their own project @ the treasury bldg and possibly f239. the other majors out there will probalby be going to existing buildings and existing space.

Homeroids
July 6th, 2005, 03:24 PM
That render shows to me it is more suited for West Perth. Prefer the Hotel idea there. Stupid idea IMO. A 30k sqm office there with frikken huge floor plates and vastly contemporary design? Will date quick and be knocked down within 15 years anyway.

Citystyle
July 6th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I like it and tell dilaz that his a clown.

I personaly think it wont date that fast it's what we would like MORE of in perth.

chrilaz89aus was it not the generations before us that screwed up the world, so if i will have to rid the curse of our forfathers. So can be lazy and can type MSN style.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 05:26 PM
skyscraper fans dont have the best relationships with these groundscrapers.....

Citystyle
July 6th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Well thats were they begin. Our forum is not about skyscraper's as such it's about WA the issues the people the problems and the solutions. Then it's about skyscrapers they are the pinnicle on western civilization and we want to see them.

This site will not get a skyscraper any time soon and 5-10FL buildings are the way up and the way to make perths taky area vibrant and good on the eyes.

Dilaz89
July 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM
but its an underdevelopment. what use will it have in 30 years time besides a good job for a demolition company? many developers DON'T plan for the future. This sacrini guy is a dick. he used to own the 100 tgeorges tce site in hich he planned a 29st office tower with feature lighting. he even found an anchor tennent but he kept delaying so they pulled out.

Homeroids
July 7th, 2005, 02:49 AM
I just think, due to is proximity to Northbridge (with assumption of sunk rail) and the fact it's close to a few pubs on Murray st, it would best be developed as a Resi or something that attracts people into that part of town permanently. Sure, we can't have all commercial devs on the Trc and it's good to mix it up a bit but IMO this is a bit much for this part of town.

mikeyraw
July 7th, 2005, 07:53 AM
Thats true, but its not like we are struggling for room, there is plenty of Areas for development, around that area. It looks good.

perthguy78
July 8th, 2005, 08:03 AM
the SGIO and Phillips buildings are great.. for west perth... as it this design... I really like it but it doesnt belong in the city.. perhaps in the east perth it would be ok... but its not making use of the site.. how about an innovative use like the food market and hotel plan... this design will be out of place once the land on the rail line is built up to 20 stories or so...
Sarceni is a cunt.. the megamart was zoned for 15 or so stories.. instead he built a 1 story wharehouse style piece of crap...

Dilaz89
July 27th, 2005, 10:45 AM
according to the west it is expected to start in feb.

RocStar
August 18th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Wow.. I didn’t know part of Raine Sq facade had verandas around it.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23166766-v.jpg

Dilaz89
August 18th, 2005, 03:10 PM
wow what kick arse verandahs. i miss the old perth

RocStar
August 20th, 2005, 07:04 PM
... i miss the old perth
Really?Gee that makes you about 185 years old then lol:D

Citystyle
August 21st, 2005, 07:31 AM
wow what kick arse verandahs. i miss the old perth

True there was perth city, freo and farmland

Dilaz89
October 15th, 2005, 03:17 PM
they want to get underway in july with 70,000 sq m of total space including 10,000 sq of retail shopping. they want an underground link the the new william street central train platforms

Citystyle
October 16th, 2005, 07:58 AM
70,000 sq m of total space. So are we talking office, res and retial in one building. Becuase 70,000 sq m is a fair building.

Dilaz89
October 16th, 2005, 12:38 PM
its 10,000 retail and 35,000 office. dn what the rest is

Dilaz89
October 16th, 2005, 12:42 PM
they said they mite put a hotel up. they also bought more property fronting queen street. the 2 pubs will be retained and refurbished

RocStar
October 16th, 2005, 08:05 PM
I don’t know if anyone else has noticed but the render pic from Wednesday West has an extra level added. It looks alot better.

chrisaus.
November 14th, 2005, 09:57 AM
i tried to visit saracen properties for info but the lift was locked out dammit level 50 bankwest tower. got a nice view @ the pivot office on level 45 though.

Scribbler
December 21st, 2005, 06:56 AM
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/8623/a101005busraine117oy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1269/a101005busraine216cy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7751/a101005busraine416fg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dilaz89
December 21st, 2005, 07:08 AM
THANKS HEAPS! How can you get all these pictures?

RocStar
December 21st, 2005, 05:06 PM
Great pics! I didn’t think the shopping component was so large. Yep it does look like they added an extra level compared to the first render. I do hope they change the colour of the heritage buildings though. I don’t think the yellow fits in very well. With this and 140 across the St ..:drool:

OMG Scribbler what else do you have installed for us?..Anything on Century City?:), Westralia Sq site maybe :laugh:? ..how about Bishops see :naughty: ?…lets see how good you really are :p :D


http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/8623/a101005busraine117oy.jpg http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/admin/files/article/property-lge254.jpg
The original render compared to the lastest. It looks alot better with the addition.

Dilaz89
December 21st, 2005, 05:12 PM
yeah, they should change the heritage buildings colours

Dilaz89
December 21st, 2005, 05:13 PM
Also how does this rack up against the WQBE Building just up the road? Is it considerably taller?

Perth4life3
December 21st, 2005, 05:19 PM
the new render DEF looks better, because its a bit taller.

RocStar
December 21st, 2005, 05:23 PM
It looks like it may be about 2 floors higher Murray st end? but this will look more awesome as it takes up the entire block. The yellow does look drab.

Dilaz89
December 21st, 2005, 05:24 PM
Its 8 levels of office ontop of 3.5 levels of old building so
8x4=32m,12+2.5=14.5 and roof is another 5m so the total height could be around 50 to 52m. not too bad. I estimate the WQBE as under 40m so it's all good!:)

RocStar
December 21st, 2005, 05:32 PM
Cool.. This can be added to our official list if it’s not already?

Ipggi
December 22nd, 2005, 12:49 AM
I think the shopping element is exciting and combing that with the station developement next door and then the sinking of the railway. It will really and a new scope to that end of town, that to this date has always been a lifeless corridor. Shame its going to be a number of years before this all gets done though ..

Citystyle
December 22nd, 2005, 01:49 AM
All good things take time.

matt_sbs
December 22nd, 2005, 04:55 AM
shit looks pretty good, finally perths getting some nice, well planned buildings

Ipggi
December 22nd, 2005, 04:32 PM
All good things take time.

Lol I think Perth has been waiting long enough. Other then King Street [and the tiny paragon] there hasn't been any new retail developement in the CBD since the 1980s (I don't mean just referbs of existing buildings like DJ). And Northbridge is pretty much exactly the same as it was when I first was legal 10 years ago. It's all the same venues just with different names. No wonder Perth gets bagged out! :P

My mistake I did forget about Harbour Town .. but thats not a place I would be showing off to tourists.

jcocks
December 23rd, 2005, 11:41 AM
Lol I think Perth has been waiting long enough. Other then King Street [and the tiny paragon] there hasn't been any new retail developement in the CBD since the 1980s (I don't mean just referbs of existing buildings like DJ). And Northbridge is pretty much exactly the same as it was when I first was legal 10 years ago. It's all the same venues just with different names. No wonder Perth gets bagged out! :P

My mistake I did forget about Harbour Town .. but thats not a place I would be showing off to tourists.

You also forgot about Perth Central (or could that be CIty Central - I can't remember. It has Target in it...but is miniscule.), and the arcade next to Myer, which is only significant due to the Woolies it houses.

but those two projects admittedly aren't exactly what you'd call huge.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Century City and City Square.

Ipggi
December 23rd, 2005, 12:01 PM
You also forgot about Perth Central (or could that be CIty Central - I can't remember. It has Target in it...but is miniscule.), and the arcade next to Myer, which is only significant due to the Woolies it houses.

but those two projects admittedly aren't exactly what you'd call huge.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Century City and City Square.

Well no I didn't .. that used to be a Coles Fosseys selling the same stuff, it just had a big empty food hall on the top floor. So Coles-Myer just refurbished the place, and turned the old food hall into floor space and rebranded it as Target. Same owners, selling the same shit tho :P

I did forget about the Woolworths, but thats not an arcade, its just a Woolworths CBD store, with a best and less above it and some small speciality stores out the front.

Johnvb
December 26th, 2005, 06:32 AM
I am looking forward to Raine Sq, Century City and the retail component of city sq as well!

jcocks
December 26th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Well no I didn't .. that used to be a Coles Fosseys selling the same stuff, it just had a big empty food hall on the top floor. So Coles-Myer just refurbished the place, and turned the old food hall into floor space and rebranded it as Target. Same owners, selling the same shit tho :P

I did forget about the Woolworths, but thats not an arcade, its just a Woolworths CBD store, with a best and less above it and some small speciality stores out the front.

Umm no Target Country sells the same stuff as Coles Fosseys. Target is much better than CF or TC. There is a small arcade on the Murray St Mall side.

And Woolies is most definitely in an arcade - you can walk all the way through to the city train station on the first floor. It may not have any good stares in it (other than woolies), but it is still an arcade. I have to wonder if it would have been any better if Harris Scarfe had opened in the arcade as originally planned...

Auxodium
December 26th, 2005, 02:46 PM
I am looking forward to Raine Sq, Century City and the retail component of city sq as well!


here here! :D :D

Citystyle
December 26th, 2005, 04:10 PM
The best thing is the locations of the retial. Raine Square will be near the train and situate on the end of the mall it will add retail to a currently dead area across the road from the william street station is a master stroke and will make shoping for suburbanites like me really easy.

Century city is in a brilliant location in that it links our CBD to our malls again but on a much larger scale to what we have seen in perth, will do wonders for the buisness district.

City Square is our inner inner city retial center close enough to the new station and in the best property our city can offer it will have to be the best retail it will be a magnet for people who want a real city experience they can go to the movies and then to a cafe, we are bringing down the wall that has bared our people from our city and our city is overflowing and our people are coming in. Wait and see this is the first step in making perth a peoples city in twenty years the place will be alian.

Perth4life3
December 26th, 2005, 05:12 PM
you know im soo excited, like people will go shopping in City Square or Century city and then step out onto the terrace and be shadowed on by skyscrapers ! like it should be ! it'll give that really urban shopping experience ! but then again i love shopping on the murray and hay street malls.

Dilaz89
December 27th, 2005, 06:35 AM
City sqaure will be quite exciting, as it will be like shopping with the skyscrapers, rather than just in a closed in shell. If anyones seen QV in Melborune, it is very similar to that.

andrewM
December 27th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Will anything happen to the Moon and Sixpence? :cheers:

Dilaz89
December 27th, 2005, 02:34 PM
It's staying.

Dilaz89
January 14th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Word on the street is this is now 20 level office.

Scraperfan
January 14th, 2006, 09:20 AM
:eek2:

Citystyle
January 14th, 2006, 10:11 AM
20 levels of office or 20 levels with office? Big difference.

Dilaz89
January 14th, 2006, 10:19 AM
Don't know. more info coming when i get back.

RocStar
January 14th, 2006, 03:20 PM
That would be nice!
Paper said work to commence in June.

Scraperfan
January 14th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Dilaz ill be hanging out for the new renders man :)

post at will...

Citystyle
January 15th, 2006, 05:44 AM
Well if it gets over 100m that will make my day.

Perth4life
January 15th, 2006, 05:50 AM
dilaz is gone up northish for a week. so we have to wait a week lol.

Citystyle
January 15th, 2006, 06:31 AM
I might me able to find something out. My dad's boss Allen is freinds with the developer or at least was the developer. They were going to put a under pass from the train station to
Raine Square. If i cant find anything out i will wait, but if it's 20 levels of office it will be 100m tall on top of the retial arcade.

Auxodium
January 16th, 2006, 06:20 AM
sounds impressive :)

Citystyle
January 16th, 2006, 01:30 PM
I spoke to Allan Lo. He said he does not know how tall it would be but he knows there plans are near finalized and everthing about to go. Will also still be office/retial by the sounds of it.

Allan Lo was apart of the 8 level plan to build a hotel / office / retial. The 12 level design is about over a year old.

Auxodium
January 19th, 2006, 07:41 AM
most likely it will be 20 then :P

Scraperfan
January 19th, 2006, 08:08 AM
This building is on the same east-west axis as the telstra building and the same north-south axis as the amp building. The impact it will have on the skyline from the north will be massive, then when the 140 william street site is also built on with high rise probably to a similar height, finally after all this time, skyscrapers will appear north of the current cluster.

Johnvb
January 19th, 2006, 03:23 PM
This building is on the same east-west axis as the telstra building and the same north-south axis as the amp building. The impact it will have on the skyline from the north will be massive, then when the 140 william street site is also built on with high rise probably to a similar height, finally after all this time, skyscrapers will appear north of the current cluster.

In addition to this I think it will give a much more inner 'city' feel to the Murray St mall. At the moment the mall retains its interest on the street level. Now with mixed commercial, residential (barrack's plaza) and transport (underground platforms/connections) land uses it will make the mall feel less like the main street in a country town!!

I feel that Barracks Plaza already has this impact on the eastern edge of the mall. This will only be enhanced by the Criterion, McDonalds and Cinema City developments...bringing a new feel to the area.

Scraperfan
January 19th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Yeh Perth has cracked the big time now theres no going back.

Once all this latest stuff gets completed and the train starts running, we will then be boosted by the marina project and the northbridge link around the same time.

And by then even more projects will be underway including the new stadiums.

Its good times from now on boys!

Auxodium
January 19th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Yeh Perth has cracked the big time now theres no going back.

Once all this latest stuff gets completed and the train starts running, we will then be boosted by the marina project and the northbridge link around the same time.

And by then even more projects will be underway including the new stadiums.

Its good times from now on boys!


ladies and gentleman, welcome to the big smoke :D

Citystyle
January 20th, 2006, 09:42 AM
Watch for these things over the next twenty years.
-Perth will start to fill out, in the CBD all empty blocks will be filled and watch the 50-60m buildings get taken down. Becuase plot size is not huge expect 100-150m this is heaps vaible becuase existing tenants will take up large amount of office space then residents sit are in the 10-20 upper floors.

-East perth will is our residential area we are seeing 70-90m buildings poping up but in 20 years we will have heaps. Spare land is being taken up and watch density increase to similar levels to brisbaane it's already starting.

-North of perth is starting up, but i dont think we will rise to close to the CBD the malls will be lowrise in between and fronting the streets still. The southen rail will increase land prices and increase retial worth. The links site will be our center for cultural and social activity's, all rail leads to this area the amount of events put on will increase cafe's and restruants will be drawn to the rail but at the moment they go away from the rail. This will be our empi center were people will flow through and live, this is of such huge importance becuase it will reshape the way the city(city) will grow.

Remember we have belmont park, western forshore.

Also watch finbar. Finbar was known as finny seven years ago they took a chance and played the largest role of any developer in the redovelopment of east perth. They get formulars that work and use them till they evolve there formular, (westralia, altair ect...) they are a amazing company moving at a amazing rate. Gone from 4 level buildings to 7 levels to 12 levels to 20 levels so you watch after reflections mabey we will see another 10 level job like dilaz jokes about but watch. 35 level residential is a small step away and finbar take the risks and reduce them. Reflections is a model so epect somthing similar, mabey they will build one tower and increase the hight.

Dilaz89
January 23rd, 2006, 07:58 AM
-20 office tower in the middle of the site (not on top of old bldgs)
-96m
-Old buildings will be used as retail.
GFA 66,000SQM (whole project)

Architects are bollig design group.

waustralia
January 23rd, 2006, 08:06 AM
Yay. A northern highrise cluster.

perthguy78
January 23rd, 2006, 09:09 AM
what was the size of the old plan...

96M- sounds good... how tall is woodside?? must be similar

Dilaz89
January 23rd, 2006, 09:10 AM
about 50m. Woodside is 125m to roof.

perthguy78
January 23rd, 2006, 09:14 AM
i meant SQM - thanks anyway :D-- looking forward to renders.. hopefully the design stays similar...

Citystyle
January 23rd, 2006, 09:33 AM
5X 300ft buildings planned for the city. Not including parkwest.

At worst 4 will go ahead.

Citystyle
January 23rd, 2006, 11:02 AM
I expect alot of glass.

Perth4life
January 23rd, 2006, 01:46 PM
yes 96m :D

Johnvb
January 23rd, 2006, 02:50 PM
Very happy with this height...should mould into the northbridge link nicely too!

Citystyle
January 24th, 2006, 05:05 AM
I hope we see a few similar in hight in NorthBridge Link but they will be 40-70m.

CULWULLA
January 24th, 2006, 05:23 AM
good stuff/ what does it look like?

Scraperfan
January 24th, 2006, 05:42 AM
We need renders asap.

Im hoping for the same design style as the current render as they were very stylish. Im hoping for the exact same design just stretched taller.

96m, what does this compare to in the skyline, the citibank building?

How high is Telstra? 80m?

Just when I thought things couldnt get better, all of a sudden we have Raine Sq, City Sq, Century City and Bishop See and Element 996 all going ahead in the CBD core.

Fukn awesome!

Just add Emu Brewery and 140 William to this and away we go.

Citystyle
January 24th, 2006, 06:35 AM
Telstra is 95m but in the high 80m's to roof.
City bank is only 68m high.

Yep. Good times. If they manage to get the emu brewrey towers up it will be amazing.

Perth4life
January 24th, 2006, 06:48 AM
so of what is probably happening?
128 - CS
117 - BS
103 - CC
96 - RS
93 - SG

:D

Dilaz89
January 24th, 2006, 11:02 AM
saw plans today. Very nice. All glass. porb 35-40k office space.

perthguy78
January 24th, 2006, 11:09 AM
u think theyll build without an anchor tenant??

Dilaz89
January 24th, 2006, 11:11 AM
i think they could if they can beat CS and BS. CC is going ahead with no anchor tenant.

CULWULLA
January 24th, 2006, 11:18 AM
dilaz, what does tower look like? is 96m to roof or LMR? has tower setbacks or straight up and down.
A new office tower in perth dont need no anchor tennant. The vacancy rate atm is real low.Perth needs to start building these bloody towers not talk about it.
2006/7 should be bumper years for perth.
Telstra Ex is 82m to roof and 95m to scoop.
pic>
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8965/telstraex0gq.jpg

Blindfold
January 24th, 2006, 11:37 AM
A bit of density North of Hay Street is what Perth has lacked from the year dot so this and the adjacent proposal above the underground station (140 William) are very welcome developments.

With the proposed new bus terminal (Wellington St Bus Station is such a dive!) and said underground station we are going to have a world class transport interchange. Such interchanges in other cities around the world are often accompanied by higher density development due to the associated increase in land values which ties in with the simple but probably most important factor...accessibility.

Bring it on!

Blindfold
January 24th, 2006, 11:40 AM
I know Telstra exchanges have a bad reputation generally around Australia but i've always had a big soft spot for Perth's. Very 70's, very windowless but just love that scoop!

Dilaz89
January 24th, 2006, 02:25 PM
When i went to architects office today they told me plans were going to be released in upcoming weeks to the west australian.

Scraperfan
January 24th, 2006, 03:03 PM
I cant wait "a few weeks".

I want a full description from you Dilaz! Draw in PS if you have to!!!

Citystyle
January 24th, 2006, 04:22 PM
We shall get dilaz to describe it so we can get Patty to type it up....

Blindfold
January 25th, 2006, 02:17 AM
From today's West....the project is likely to start mid-year but is dependant on a major office space pre-commitment.

Due for completion early 2009 pending Council approval of course. (Not sure how they can set a completion date without an tenant or approval for that matter. Unless they've got someone and are keeping schtum??)

Dilaz89
January 25th, 2006, 05:07 AM
Why don't they bite the bullet and build the bloody thing? Atleast Pivot have some vision.

Ipggi
January 25th, 2006, 05:57 AM
INVESTORS are still bullish about Perth and Brisbane property over the next six months, according to a sentiment survey released yesterday, while Sydney remains the preferred destination for longer-term investment.

Jones Lang LaSalle's 2006 "Investor Sentiment" survey shows that confidence in other capital city property markets over the next six months is at the highest level in five years.

Seventy-five per cent of respondents believe prime Australian CBD office property will generate higher total returns over the next six months.

The positive sentiment also applied to secondary office markets.

But survey respondents are concerned about the dependence of those two markets on the commodity cycle, which had led to volatility in the past, especially in Perth.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17927002%255E25658,00.html

Thats probably why ..

Perth4life
January 25th, 2006, 06:41 AM
We shall get dilaz to describe it so we can get Patty to type it up....
i don't get it.. explain..

Citystyle
January 25th, 2006, 08:24 AM
You could draw up a perfect example for us.

chrisaus
March 18th, 2006, 06:16 AM
its posible that the GPO, the new rail station, 140 william street, raine square, central station, wellington street bus interchange could all be links by underground and above ground arcades if all goes to plan and all developers agree. atleast 1/2 a billion $$ of development is mooted for that part of the city, and with the mall upgrades, perth could be about to come of age in the next 5 years, and get an underground arcade network like sydneys. the GPO could be like sydneys with high class brands for example armani etc... exciting times ahead people!

Citystyle
March 19th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Thats what i heard to. Underground links.

Ipggi
March 19th, 2006, 09:52 AM
You can currently walk underground from Carilion City Arcade over to Allendale Square. But its not that popular and many shops after the food hall are empty. Hopefully being directly linked from the underground train platforms will make this more popular.

Johnvb
March 19th, 2006, 09:54 AM
Very tasty...

Citystyle
March 19th, 2006, 04:08 PM
I ment WSstation to raine square.

chrisaus
March 20th, 2006, 02:54 AM
the old plan was to have about 55,000 sq m of retail thats almost as much as carousel wa biggest suburban maul... not sure how much is in the new plan

Ipggi
March 20th, 2006, 09:56 AM
Carousel is 81500, Galleria is 74440, Whidfords is 74330, Garden City is 72286 .. so yeah 55,00 is quite large. For people who have been to Sydney, the now Westfield owned Sydney Central Plaza which houses the CBD Myer and links to the QVB and Pitt Street Mall etc, thats exactly 54,073. So thats a good example of the size (and height) or a CBD centre of that size.

Dilaz89
March 22nd, 2006, 10:17 AM
20/03/2006 "RAINE SQUARE"
298-306 Murray Street
PERTH WA 6000
Pedestrian tunnel from Raine
Square to new railway station
concourse.
$1,500,000.00
DA 2006/2086
Refer DA
2005/2359

Dilaz89
April 1st, 2006, 05:01 AM
THERE IS A SMALL RENDER IN THE LIFTOUT OF TODAYS WEST

strangly it has bankwest signage.

Dilaz89
April 1st, 2006, 05:13 AM
well now that its been released i guess i can show these-
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7970/dsc006118dr.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1156/dsc006120uk.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2526/dsc006145fz.jpg

Blindfold
April 1st, 2006, 06:26 AM
Mmmm. Loving it a lot!

Yes noticed the the pic in The West liftout with the HUGE Wankbest signage. Look's spankin!

andrewM
April 1st, 2006, 09:24 AM
as much as carousel wa biggest suburban maul...
Was this a faux pas, a cutting piece of social commentary on suburban shopping centres or do you just have a poor grasp of the english language?

I thought it was option 2 and found it quite thought provoking but now after reading a couple of other posts I'm not so sure..

chrisaus
April 1st, 2006, 10:14 AM
Was this a faux pas, a cutting piece of social commentary on suburban shopping centres or do you just have a poor grasp of the english language?

I thought it was option 2 and found it quite thought provoking but now after reading a couple of other posts I'm not so sure..

correct i was having a digg at suburban shopping centres.... im not a big fan of them...

elfreako
April 1st, 2006, 12:14 PM
Oooh very nice...looks very German to me with all that glazing.

Johnvb
April 1st, 2006, 12:18 PM
Yeah I like it...great addition to the north end of the cbd! Will flow very nicely into the northbridge link as well as being a great addition to the completed NMR project in terms of the underground links as well as links potentially to the new sunken busport and atomic clock forecourt. When combined with 140 william street, GPO redevelopment and forrest chase it will provide pedestrian flows and a focus for this portion of the city.

RocStar
April 1st, 2006, 12:28 PM
OMG! That looks awesome! I will gladly sacrifice the other 3 office proposals for just this one! Image the impact it will make! I hope this definitely goes ahead. As said, the north end of the city will finally have a real city feel to it. This will also set the benchmark for the area. Can’t wait to see 140 William st! Finally the north end will come of age! ..And to think what else is installed for the area! ..The mind boggles!
(I know, excessive use of the !, but hey, its worth every one of them! :D!

Johnvb
April 1st, 2006, 12:30 PM
Yeah for some reason this proposal reminds me heaps of E+Y in Sydney...all glass hmmm sexy!

RocStar
April 1st, 2006, 12:36 PM
sexy as! This building seems to take up almost the entire block!..all class~glass :)

andrewM
April 1st, 2006, 02:07 PM
correct i was having a digg at suburban shopping centres.... im not a big fan of them...
Well then..I congratulate you for your wit

Mr Magnate
April 1st, 2006, 02:54 PM
THERE IS A SMALL RENDER IN THE LIFTOUT OF TODAYS WEST

strangly it has bankwest signage.


Yes I noticed that too!

Does that mean Mr Saraceni has signed a deal with Bankwest to take up major tenancy in the building and for it to be ready once Bankwest's lease expires on the existing tower?

matt_sbs
April 1st, 2006, 04:46 PM
looks very good, hope this design is constructed

Dilaz89
April 2nd, 2006, 11:41 AM
not sure if bankwest will anchor it. Iv seen renders of city sq with bankwest signange so it could just be wishful thinking.

ryan79
April 2nd, 2006, 12:02 PM
I think all these developments are competing for Bankwest as an anchor tenant. Probably why they are all showing off their building renders with Bankwest signange - because that will make the difference. :lol:

Dilaz89
April 2nd, 2006, 12:09 PM
Anyway i really do hope this goes ahead above city square. It will provide such a good gateway into the CBD and will compliment 140 william st + northbridge link very well!

Citystyle
April 2nd, 2006, 04:51 PM
I hope there is room for both. Cheveron are yet to decide on what they will do.

Johnvb
May 2nd, 2006, 02:28 PM
Any news? Been a month...

For some reason I have the feeling that this one is not going to take off, real shame as it is an excellent site with great TOD opps and perfect situation to impact the skyline from the North.

Dilaz89
May 2nd, 2006, 02:37 PM
john, i spoke to the developers of all the majors yesterday. All of them said towers would commence as soon as an anchor tenent is found. Currently only 1 major, bankwest.

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
May 2nd, 2006, 02:40 PM
i really hope this project goes ahead, it is such a very well designed building, because if it doesn't: :gunz:

matt_sbs
May 3rd, 2006, 02:14 PM
yeah it an awesome building, how much space will bankwest take

Citystyle
May 4th, 2006, 01:57 AM
up to 46,000Sqm is whats been said.

chrisaus
May 14th, 2006, 04:08 AM
most the current leases have run out so much of the complex is vacant and very shabby looking

RocStar
May 14th, 2006, 05:22 AM
They said work will commece in July. Hopefully they will do a ‘Century City’ build without any pre- commitment. Well the office part anyhow.

chrisaus
May 14th, 2006, 08:23 AM
in july IF they find a tenant...........

Dilaz89
June 9th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Was heard by design and advisory on the 20th of april so could be at next council meeting.

Consists of a 20 level office tower, two levels of retail and 5 levels of parking at a cost of $120m. total floorspace is 66,633sqm

chrisaus
June 14th, 2006, 09:42 AM
112m the agenda says

Citystyle
June 15th, 2006, 12:39 AM
96m for office tower. 112m All up?

Dilaz89
June 15th, 2006, 04:08 AM
i think its sea level. The office tower is 20st above ground with a fin on the roof.

Citystyle
June 15th, 2006, 04:29 AM
6m Mabey. It's lower here than the city so i thought it would be like 4 or mabey 2.

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
June 15th, 2006, 03:20 PM
that is great, btw would anyone any pic of it in with the city skiyline?? that be great, cheers

chrisaus
July 14th, 2006, 05:32 AM
shit this development is getting desperate now, this site is really sad, most the leases have run out, so its turning into another dead dump! bring on the development

Dilaz89
August 12th, 2006, 09:17 AM
Pretty sure it was knocked back due to the height and scale of the building. The design and advisory comittee are the biggest waste of time and money. They really deserve to be shot.


ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!

Citystyle
August 12th, 2006, 06:23 PM
O dear mabey he could scale the building back to 60m or so it is a let down but if we dont build more wont come and that will be worse.

dallas
August 12th, 2006, 07:37 PM
How the hell can it get knocked back on height and scale! Raine Sq is a large site to start with and the propsal was only for 20 stories. So much for developing the skyline north of the terrace. New slogan for Perth:

Perth - So much potential - so little drive!

Ok, a rant, but it's getting frustrating!

chrisaus
August 13th, 2006, 06:52 AM
well we should really hold back and wait and see what plan went before them before we get on their high horses, maybe it was a boring bulky fat boring toaster, mabye it could be re-designed into a more interesting tower after their critisism....
im not sure maybe they are a waste of time or maybe they make some bad decisions and also make some good ones ie. not letting any crappy old design making it through the council, look at altus yes it did get 2 floors cut but look how the ground floor improved, that would have been from the design committee....

Dilaz89
August 13th, 2006, 10:47 AM
well now that its been released i guess i can show these-
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7970/dsc006118dr.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1156/dsc006120uk.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2526/dsc006145fz.jpg
Shitty design lol.

chrisaus
August 13th, 2006, 01:55 PM
that rendering is pretty restrictive makes the building look like it goes all the way from murray to wellington street, what would mean massive floor plates, really really bulky, not easy to make a judgement on those, looks abit boring though, just a box, a big fat one at that, i'd prefer a office tower and a residential and slim taller ones. and is that the design that went to council.... all these details are very sketchy

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
August 14th, 2006, 11:27 AM
i actually think it is quite a good looking render:) besides the fact it looks much more longer tham what it really is :(

Dilaz89
August 18th, 2006, 12:41 PM
yay its going to comittee this tues!!! recommended approval. Half of the office tower has been reduced to 13 levels. This should help reduce the bulk and make it look thinner and taller. The retail plaza is 10,000sqm (smaller than CC) over 3 levels.

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
August 18th, 2006, 04:24 PM
^^ yay fantastic news that it could be thinner and taller (that is they way Perth towers are these days :))

Ipggi
August 19th, 2006, 01:38 AM
You know I think in the future this area could well be more attractive for commerical office development then the traditional areas of the Terrace or West Perth.

Raine Square will be quite attractive once the rail lines are sunk. It will be a short distance to all the main rail lines as well as a main bus station. It's located in the more affluent western side of the CBD and is positioned on the corner of two main arterial CBD roads. Once the stadium is built (fingers cross) and the lines sunk it will be not only centrally located to the cultural district of WA but also the entertainment district.

chrisaus
August 19th, 2006, 05:15 AM
will become quite a dense reatail area too with 140 william street, linking underground to Raine square, the new train station and posibly the GPO, could be like a modern sydney styled network of underground linkages on a smaller scale, should be really great for perth!

Perth4life
August 19th, 2006, 05:47 AM
so its going to be smaller than 96m now?

Dilaz89
August 19th, 2006, 06:24 AM
No. It may be higher. I dont know.

chrisaus
August 19th, 2006, 11:03 AM
will include a food hall and supermarket, 3 levels of retail with an underground arcade linking to the new william street underground platforms and a link to the wellington street bus interchange

chrisaus
August 19th, 2006, 11:05 AM
NEW HEIGHT IS 110M

matt_sbs
August 19th, 2006, 11:15 AM
serious sounds good, lets hope it gets approved

Bullswool
August 19th, 2006, 03:08 PM
Where is Raine square situated? I haven't seem to catch on that one yet...
Thanks.

RocStar
August 19th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Fuk …cool as!. So it has gotten taller PluS an extra retail floor added! Can't wait to see the new render. :dizzy:
Oh I do hope this area does change dramatically! I think it will definitely. Travelling from Subiaco, (where there is sooo much going on in development) heading into the city via Wellington st, you do notice the difference. It gets uglier and run down as u get closer into the city which really doesn’t make much sense right!? Sooo that tells me, this area will be coming up without a doubt! I mean, it’s the CBD after all!

Bullswool, Rain Square is cross the road from 140 william st (underground station site) on the crn of william and murray sts.

Bullswool
August 19th, 2006, 03:52 PM
^^
Oh cool, thanks! OMG, a 110m tower there?! Awesome, this is certainly a great project then :), bring the towers further north, rather than the traditional 2 street skyline lol.

RocStar
August 19th, 2006, 04:09 PM
2 sts, u mean 1 st lol.
Fuk yeah!!:D :banana: :rock: :)

Scribbler
August 22nd, 2006, 03:39 PM
Recommended for approval by the PCC planning committee. They were particularly impressed with this, particularly its pedestrian connectivity to railway station, 140 William and Northbridge Link. Saracen say the retail component will go ahead in October, with or without the office tower. But they are in late stage negotiations with an anchor tenant and sound hopeful. Might have a render for you tomorrow. Also check tomorrow's West.

Dilaz89
August 22nd, 2006, 03:42 PM
YEEEEEEEOOWWW!!!! Next council meeting here i come!

Scribbler
August 23rd, 2006, 04:14 AM
Yep, this one looks good.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4506/220806genraine11kc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/526/220806genraine31tq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2754/220806genraine41kp7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Citystyle
August 23rd, 2006, 04:41 AM
OMFG what a building, look at the fins they cant so no, it's swanky.

Scribbler
August 23rd, 2006, 04:42 AM
PCC will approve it. The $64 million question is whether they can sign up that anchor tenant.

city_thing
August 23rd, 2006, 05:01 AM
They can't knock that back, that building is just too damn hot to say no to!

I'm going to go pray to the pagan diety of building approvals that this one gets through.

chrisaus
August 23rd, 2006, 06:20 AM
FUCK YES!!!!! wow thats an awesome tower i love it!!!! and 110m!!!! that is really going to add a new dimension to the skyline if it gets up, shits on city square big time, fingers crossed!!!

city_thing
August 23rd, 2006, 06:59 AM
And Scribbler, you are the duck's nuts for finding those renders. Good one mate!

CULWULLA
August 23rd, 2006, 07:03 AM
wow, nice.
@110m, it will be equal citys 10th tallest bldg.

RocStar
August 23rd, 2006, 07:17 AM
Very nice! Thanx for the pics Scribber. I can’t wait for the restoration of the heritage buildings aswell. I read all the awnings will be replaced. I do hope they will be somewhat transparent. You get a much better feel/appreciation for the building, standing at its base able to see it in its full glory, not to mention the building looks a hell lot better too.

Is there a PCC policy on the replacement of awnings on such buildings?. I think I might of read about this sometime back?

Ipggi
August 23rd, 2006, 08:27 AM
It reminds me of Aurora Place in Sydney. With the overlapping sail and curved, angled edging.

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/5/2005/02/337932.jpg

Lets hope this gets built, im so over good designed buildings never getting off the ground in Perth :(

Bullswool
August 23rd, 2006, 09:24 AM
OMG what a great deesign. This is my new favorite project :), and it will make a nice landmark in that area. Hopefully mroe buildings will go up around there (including the william street development), so as to give a more denser feeling to our city.

KamikazeTaxi
August 23rd, 2006, 10:24 AM
Fantastic! This, along with the new underground train station and indoor stadium near-by will really re-vitalize this part of town. It reminded me a bit of Sydney's Aurora building too. I really, really hope this one goes ahead!

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
August 23rd, 2006, 10:45 AM
wow it looks so dam good :nocrook: what a sexy render, love it :scouserd: :cheer:

docker
August 23rd, 2006, 10:51 AM
OMG, :dance: great location and something good to the north, will love seeing it when on the train to the west of the cbd or in the mall.

how easy will it be to see it from the mitchel fwy

:dance: :nocrook: :rock:

Cygnet
August 23rd, 2006, 12:56 PM
I had a walk through Raine Square today. It's a nice site- it has a pleasant feel, and plenty of pedestrian traffic taking advantage of the direct link to the train station.

What went wrong with it? Why are 90% of the shops in there empty?

Just curious. I agree that the renders look great, and would love to see it go ahead.

Dilaz89
August 23rd, 2006, 01:32 PM
Now my favourite project in perth. Shit on everything else mooted including century city.

Raine sqaure atm is an embarrasment. 90% of shops are empty due to the age and quality of them. Also, only temporary leases are bieng taken due to redevelopment.

Praying that bankWest make this one a go-er!

city_thing
August 23rd, 2006, 03:18 PM
I had a tattoo done at the old studio in Raine Sq, I was talking to the guy and he said that none of them were allowed to renew their leases so they were all being forced out.

I think that as it was taking so long to get the place redeveloped they were letting out short leases to pretty crappy businesses. Hence why the place had a few shops open selling, well, crap.

Dilaz89
August 23rd, 2006, 03:47 PM
Yeah, those sort of shops tend to attract shit like bookstores with no fitouts, internet cafes with just desks and computers ect.... I think hob nob bridal are allowed to stay during thw whole thing. Wonder if those 2 hotels will close down though. I think so.

chrisaus
August 24th, 2006, 03:24 AM
90% are not leased because they let all the old leases expire and havent renewed them other than a few shops fronting the street

Scribbler
August 24th, 2006, 05:11 AM
The fact that 90 per cent of leases have been allowed to expire without renewal suggests to me that the owners believe this one will go ahead.

planner-stu
August 24th, 2006, 05:37 AM
They will proceed with the retail component regardless... the tower still depends on securing that anchor tenant.

chrisaus
August 24th, 2006, 06:11 AM
so if the retail is going ahead looks like the CBD will get another full line supermarket to we will have 2 Woolworth and another supermarket in this development plus in new coles in northbridge. also we will see 2 new footcourts with a new one in with development and another one in century city. so perth cbd can look forward to 2 new 3 level retail developments! about time, carillon city, forest chase, harbour town will only be the start of shopping in the city soon!

chrisaus
August 29th, 2006, 01:18 PM
APPROVED

Citystyle
August 29th, 2006, 04:12 PM
thnx

Dilaz89
August 29th, 2006, 04:31 PM
The council loved it. All in favour. Im sure its not 110m though, think its RL. Ill have to confirm it though.

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
August 30th, 2006, 10:16 AM
wow great news that it is approved, thanks for that chris :)

matt_sbs
August 30th, 2006, 10:21 AM
How good is this now, all our towers over 100m are either approved or U/C

mikeyraw
August 30th, 2006, 10:35 AM
How long would you guys predict it takes between being approved and being UC? Do they have to put the project out to tender?

chrisaus
August 30th, 2006, 10:40 AM
they need to find tenants first

Scraperfan
August 30th, 2006, 10:48 AM
Article in todays west regarding Bankwest close to signing with Raine Sq. Their requirement is for 40 000sq/m by early 2009. Said that an announcement was due within weeks. Rent just under $400 sq/m.

Also said the new lettable area for south building in city square is 70 000 sq/m and rent higher than 400sq/m.

chrisaus
August 30th, 2006, 10:56 AM
i wouldnt get to excited, we have heard so many times in the west that tenants are close to signing and all have stayed in their current towers... bankwest PLEASE prove me wrong

Dilaz89
August 30th, 2006, 01:24 PM
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2032/img2282vc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4180/img2283jz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7687/img2284wu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ipggi
August 30th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Nice renders, has a very CBD feel to it. Which well you currently don't find around that end of town.

Dilaz89
August 30th, 2006, 01:35 PM
The whole height thing is bugging me a lot. Think its 94m but i dont know.

Citystyle
August 30th, 2006, 01:40 PM
94m to roof, 110m to fin most prob.

chrisaus
August 30th, 2006, 02:00 PM
i love it! i pray this one gets up, one of the best developments and towers for a long time in perth! the retail looks great too

city_thing
August 30th, 2006, 05:35 PM
I don't understand. Look at the direction the building is pointing in. In this render, the smaller part is pointing east.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/526/220806genraine31tq8.jpg
But in this shot, where the smaller part is, the original part of Raine Square isn't there.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4506/220806genraine11kc6.jpg
I guess this will be sorted out later.... or maybe I'm just not getting it.

Citystyle
August 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM
yes it is to the right of the render.

Ipggi
August 31st, 2006, 02:52 AM
I don't understand. Look at the direction the building is pointing in. In this render, the smaller part is pointing east.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/526/220806genraine31tq8.jpg
But in this shot, where the smaller part is, the original part of Raine Square isn't there.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4506/220806genraine11kc6.jpg
I guess this will be sorted out later.... or maybe I'm just not getting it.

The building will be 'pointing' to the west so this entrance will be on William Street (facing the William Street Tower) where the current old Raine Square mall entrance is.

I think your confused because the top photo is the intersection of William Street and Murray (you know where Bobby Bazzlers is) .. it's not Wellington Street.

RocStar
August 31st, 2006, 07:57 AM
Article in todays west regarding Bankwest close to signing with Raine Sq. Their requirement is for 40 000sq/m by early 2009. Said that an announcement was due within weeks. Rent just under $400 sq/m.

Also said the new lettable area for south building in city square is 70 000 sq/m and rent higher than 400sq/m.

70,000 sqm of office space in the southern 11 story city square can’t be right can it?? I know that's what the paper said?

Cool how the shops open onto Queen st!

Girlyman
August 31st, 2006, 08:31 AM
Queen st will become a fantastic little shopping street if the shops do open out onto them. I was worried that it might turn into a glorified service road.

Scraperfan
August 31st, 2006, 08:45 AM
Yeh i thought 70k was a lot, they definitely mean in the whole development, 20 floors of raine sq is 40k, so...

stupid paper they never get the floor numbers or sq/m correct and i noticed that a whole article on raine sq in the main paper was used for the first half of the article in the property section, what a rip off.

RocStar
August 31st, 2006, 08:47 AM
Well I’m just going by Dilaz’s pic but it does look promising.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2032/img2282vc1.jpg

RocStar
August 31st, 2006, 08:51 AM
Yeh i thought 70k was a lot, they definitely mean in the whole development, 20 floors of raine sq is 40k, so...

stupid paper they never get the floor numbers or sq/m correct and i noticed that a whole article on raine sq in the main paper was used for the first half of the article in the property section, what a rip off.

Yeah and how they say, the skyline will change from a 20 story development lol

Scraperfan
August 31st, 2006, 08:53 AM
20 floors on the terrace is nothing, 20 floors on wellington street is like adding the petronas towers!

matt_sbs
August 31st, 2006, 10:04 AM
Those news render makes the building look awesome, the wave looks good

chrisaus
September 7th, 2006, 04:22 AM
Exciting development for retail hub
Tuesday 05 September 2006

The Council of the City ofPerth has approved plans for a major new development that will change the profile of the central city and boost retail and office opportunities.

The 21-level development on the Raine Square site would occupy almost an entire city block (12,314 sqm), bounded by Murray, William, Wellington and Queen Streets. It includes a shopping arcade over three levels with a food hall and supermarket.

The upper levels of the building would be used for much-needed central city office space.

The plans, submitted by Greg Rowe and Associates, include an underground pedestrian connection to the new William Street underground train station complex and maintain the existing link to the Wellington Street bus station.

Heritage buildings, such as the Royal Hotel, Wentworth Hotel and Hob Nob Building, would be retained to preserve the character of the area.

Lord Mayor Dr Peter Nattrass said the development would revitalise the section of William Street between Murray and Wellington Streets

When combined with commercial development above the new underground station, Perth would have a fresh, vibrant retail precinct which would enhance the city’s status as the State’s premier retail centre.

“This development proposal, along with others to go before the Council recently, is further evidence that Perth is thriving and that future prospects are exciting,” the Lord Mayor said.

Mr Magnate
September 7th, 2006, 12:46 PM
Excellent news just need to announce the anchor tenant and let the construction begin!

Wouldn't mind a name change from Raine Square too!

Dilaz89
September 7th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Raine square is historical, chances are low asthough if say bankwest move there then it would be bankwest plaza or something (for the office tower, not shops), highly doubt tower will be used again :)

ryan79
September 7th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Wow! Prada, really?

WestEnderBender
September 7th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Wow, never really go into WA forum, but this building looks pretty damn suave! Looks a bit like the style of Vision! Love it!!

Bullswool
September 8th, 2006, 01:13 AM
Just no where near as tall:(

Scraperfan
September 8th, 2006, 09:14 AM
Id just like to say, open to public opinion, that this building will have as much effect on Perth's Skyline as BankWest Tower when it first went up, in terms of changing the skyline from many angles and as a catalyst for change.

Ipggi
September 8th, 2006, 10:13 AM
Wow! Prada, really?

It's just an artist's rendition to give the building a look of class. Doesn't necessarily mean, literally Prada is opening a store there. Remember the Forrest Chase redevelopment renders, they used the same tactic.

ryan79
September 8th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Yeah I know, my comment was meant to be sarcastic ;)

Still would be nice if it happened.

RocStar
September 9th, 2006, 06:15 AM
Looking at the retail Queen st pic again. It seems to be the corner of Wellington and Queen sts. Cool! The retail spills onto Wellington St! This is such a great project. An entire city block transformed!!

So do we think 140 will be better than this development? Should be ;p…Wow, 2 entire city blocks completely transformed/redeveloped!
Bring it on!! :)

Mants
September 9th, 2006, 07:52 AM
reminds me of the new ANZ in Adelaide. but i like this one better:)

RocStar
September 9th, 2006, 10:46 AM
eww
http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/admin/files/article/property-lge254.jpg

mmm
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1156/dsc006120uk.jpg

arhhhhhh :)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2754/220806genraine41kp7.jpg

They said the hertiage buildings will be painted in their oringinal colours. Anything will be better than that yellow.
I do hope it's like this...looks very noice.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/667/rainvz7.jpg
I hope they turn out as good as His Majesty’s Theatre. I know His Majesty’s has more detail but they still can look as good. Imagine the whole block looking kinda like that! :dizzy:
The tower will be the jewel of the crown. Gee, I hope the colours turn out right.

Johnvb
September 9th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I am really liking this project...

Th3-Co0L-P3rTh-Guy
September 10th, 2006, 02:52 AM
^^ i agree, it is going to make such an impact on the skyline, and basicly its position in the city is just brillient :)
cheers guys.

Mr Magnate
September 10th, 2006, 04:55 AM
Hopefully it can bring some life back to the dead and rundown part of Wellington Street near the old entertainment centre too!

Scraperfan
September 10th, 2006, 07:18 AM
Such a BEAUTIFUL shade of aqua green with a nice deep ocean blue. We really are getting spoilt with this building. Too long has the "back end" of Perth's skyline been a hideous site to look at with the back of Bankwest and Telstra Exchange. This is like the works of plastic surgery and the biggest facelift we could possibly get. Chuck in the new stadium and finally this side of Perth's face will be a sought after photo opportunity.

It is just too good to comprehend. The expectation takes my breath away.

chrisaus
September 13th, 2006, 02:37 AM
almost all the leases have run out on the current complex looks like a dumping yard now