http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8069/pendolino0yx.jpg

Basically Ukraine will receive documentation to begin to manufacture Pendolino trains. The chosen speed will be 300 km/h, and all infrastructure will be upgraded under this speed. Until 2007-2008 railroads will create necessary upgrades to allow the speed to reach 250 km/h. The first Pendolino trains will begin to serve the Pivdena Zaliznytsia until the end of 2006.

Color picture of Pendolino train:

http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/images/390015-MP-21122003-1.jpg

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So russia got the german ICE and ukraine will get the british Pendolino......

Wow cool :okay:

So russia got the german ICE and ukraine will get the british Pendolino......
I don't think so, these Alstom-made trains are rather narrow (british trains are narrower than continental trains) for Ukraine's large gauge tracks.
Ukraine took documentation for the (FIAT) Pendolino tilting-system only, IMHO.

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Well, Fiat's system is Alstom's system since Alstom bought Fiat Ferroviaria. However, if it's going to be a Pendolino it's going to look like an ETR 460, not one of those Virgin Pendolinos.

ETR-460:
http://www.olmobronzino.net/treni/foto/2003/57_2003.jpg

I think a top speed of 300 km/h is a severe overstatement though, these trains go 220 - 250 tops, operating with speeds around 200 km/h under good conditions.

For example, these trains don't go over 140 km/h in Slovenia due to the quality of our rails and the sharpness of the turns (to be greatly improved by 2020), I don't really think the situation in Ukraine is that much better.

@edolen1, well current 'fast' Ukrainian train from Kyiv-Kharkiv goes 180 km/h. So I think it's very possible to achieve 240. To achieve 300 may take until 2020.

Those italian pendolinos goes mainly less than 200kmph, it depends on quality of rails. In czech rep they goes maximally 160kmph but one of them have achieved 237kmph which is our railway speed recod. See the video (http://www.cd.cz/static/media/drahy%2011-1.wmv).
http://www.scpendolino.cz/fotogalerie/pendolino02.jpg

The newspaper clearly showed a different design than what you guys are talking about.

Pan, don't believe everything you read in papers :D

And bringing entire line up to 250kmph speeds, wow, that ain't cheep, we are talking at least 15million U$ per km length...
300km, even more, to give you an example link between Lyon and Turin (HST Line) will cost no less than 12€ billion, baring in mind, Ukraine is cheaper than Western Europe, still even if it is done at half price you are still talking 6€ billion.

OK, this is for what 300k line, you are looking at cost of nearly 25 million U$ per km length of HST line...

A perspective is required here, I wouldn't take everything newspapers say for granted...

Pan, don't believe everything you read in papers :D

And bringing entire line up to 250kmph speeds, wow, that ain't cheep, we are talking at least 15million U$ per km length...
300km, even more, to give you an example link between Lyon and Turin (HST Line) will cost no less than 12€ billion, baring in mind, Ukraine is cheaper than Western Europe, still even if it is done at half price you are still talking 6€ billion.

OK, this is for what 300k line, you are looking at cost of nearly 25 million U$ per km length of HST line...

A perspective is required here, I wouldn't take everything newspapers say for granted...

Mic 300 is by 2020. I think we'll see how this works out in the coming years, to predict the challenges which may lay ahead.

Czech's can't say a lot of good things about Pendolino trains...


Last Czech Pendolino train breaks down
PRAGUE, Jan 24 (CTK) - The last of five Pendolino tilting trains used by Czech national rail operator Ceske drahy for regular passenger transport followed the others to the railway yard after a software defect stopped it near a small village in North Moravia today, the Aktualne.cz news server said.

The same defect disabled four Pendolino trains at the beginning of the month.

Ales Ondruj, spokesman for Ceske drahy, confirmed the information for CTK.

Ceske has bought seven Pendolino trains from Italy's Alstom, paying 70 percent of the price negotiated at CZK 4.3 billion. Five are now out of order, one is used for testing Czech railways and one is waiting for a licence to operate.

Ondruj said Alstom's technicians were in the train that stopped today and that the producer had to remove the defects by January 31.

Alstom said last week it already knew the cause of the defects. The five trains should begin to operate in the first week of February.

Ceske said it would probably demand EUR 600,000 (CZK 17.2 million) from Alstom as a fine for the defects.

It said it estimated total damage caused by the suspended operation of the trains at several dozen millions of crowns, and that it will demand the money from its former managers who signed disadvantageous contracts on the trains.

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^ that's true but it's already fixed. Bigger problem is that Germany, Austria and Slovakia still haven't allow these trains to operate in theirs countries so they can operate only in Czech Rep for now. Czech railways bought them mainly for international operation at main tracks such as Berlin-Prague-Wien, Prague-Ostrava-Poland/Slovakia etc.

Mic 300 is by 2020. I think we'll see how this works out in the coming years, to predict the challenges which may lay ahead.
if you get in Eu before 2020 you might get many funds for this project :)

@edolen1, well current 'fast' Ukrainian train from Kyiv-Kharkiv goes 180 km/h. So I think it's very possible to achieve 240. To achieve 300 may take until 2020.
The problem is that there is currently no Pendolino in the world that has a top speed of over 250 km/h (not operating speed!). For example the "New Pendolino" still being developed by Alstom will have a top speed of 250 km/h and will be the fastest Pendolino to date AFAIK.

if you get in Eu before 2020 you might get many funds for this project :)
I always wanted to ask this,i know its kinda off topic,but what is Ukraine doin about EU integrations ? I mean are they planning anything about the EU or ? :)

Ukraine is trying to push for the EU, but at the moment the EU doesn't have any plans for Ukraine like that... they are sort of holding Ukraine at arms length right now. There's cooperation between the 2, but the EU is trying its hardest not to mention anything about Ukraine joining.

Oh whys that ??? :( anyway thnx 4 the info ;)

Looking at how the EU is treating us right now, we have accomplished a lot more than countries with EU help. I think we'll manage on our own for some time.

Oh whys that ??? :( anyway thnx 4 the info ;)


there is strong negative vibe with in EU towards any further expansion, even in Balkans, many would only prefer Croatia to enter the EU and that is it, holt the expansion for a while, but as they already agreed to let in Bulgaria and Romania, this is now an issue where French and Dutch public opinion has recently clashed with EU's... Both country would like to postpone Romanian and Bulgarian entry in 2007 and this is very likely now, not 100% certainty as most politicians prefer for them 2 to be included in to expansion in 2007 and Croatia in 2009.

Ukraine was given no indication as to EU integration process, EU would probably be looking to start process of EU integration with Ukraine not before 2010, and most likely after 2015, it an issue where EU is still very much divided, Ukraine is in Europe therefore has all rights to apply for EU membership, but Ukraine is still unstable in EU eyes and therefore it is not jet ready for EU process.

In any case EU will provide some financial assistance to Ukraine, Ukraine has received 400€ million in EU finding for various projects, mostly social and governmental projects to help with the transition, another 230 million is also earmarked for assistance to Ukraine in 2006, but this funds are tied with progress reports and can only be spent after detail study has been made how the funds are being spent where and for who... In total Ukraine should be having nearly 640€ million of EU help by the end of this year, this is since Ukraine gained new government in Orange revolution. A trade agreement between Ukraine and EU will also be one of the first steps in 2006 to help Ukraine accessing EU markets, but EU Membership is at least 20-22 years away, and this is being optimistic...

But as this is not thread subject I'll get back to the trains, 2020, 300km HST line, interesting...

ok thnx for the info mic :okay: ya lets get back to the trains ;)

You're always welcome to join Russia, Nate;)

:puke: Hah! That was almost funny KM... almost. :weird: :sleepy: Thank God that will never happen again. :bash:

Ukraine will be in EU in 15-20 years, in my optimistic baseless calculations.

EU needs to keep Ukraine out because we would flood them with our cheap but good agricultural and industrial products.

And Ukraine still looks a little wild to EU. Considering the way our Parliament sessions go, I would say these are fair assumptions ;)

You're always welcome to join Russia, Nate;)

Yes. That would be dream come true...