do you guys know of this
.amazing model
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10369749

no didn't Know about that Model or the development thanx Culwulla !
Its just huge , I wonder how many Model Makers worked on it LOL ? :)

nice name lol

Yeah the name is stupid for a town.

I have known of this project for a while now it has been planned for years good to see it finally going ahead.

The huge manmade lake in the middle of the town even features artificially created waves! probably can't surf them though :) . A new surf-club will built at the beach there too!

i nominate one of our chch members to get down to riccaton and take some reconissance pics

i nominate one of our chch members to get down to riccaton and take some reconissance pics

In fact I presume thats what TimNZ is doing right now.

Yeah the name is stupid for a town.

it reminds me of the horse in "A view to a kill" the 1985 james bond movie lol

wow... nice model

Wow!
While we wait for model pics here are some renderings from www.pegasustown.com

Aerial of lake and restaurants

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/13.jpg

Aerial of Town

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/9.jpg

The entrance through Mapleham

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/19.jpg

Hotel

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/11.jpg

Lake with Island waterfall

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/20.jpg

Main Street

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/art/large/5.jpg

Thanks for getting those pictures online Kiwikaas. This should prove to be an interesting and really exciting thread over the next however long. I must say it looks grand. It is so exciting to see CHC getting a major development under way like that.

As has been said, this development has been in the planning for a long time. Its been on off on off then sold on for the past 5 years. It is a reponse to the fast growing population that Greater Christchurch is undergoing. You can see from the map how close it lies to Christchurch proper. Distance wise it will be something like what Orewa is to Auckland or Tawa is to Wellington.

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/pegasus-map.jpg

The Waimakariri District is growing very fast and there is great co - operation going on between it, the Christchurch City Council and the Selwyn District Council in planing the furture of Greater Christchurch as it is now called. The website is worth a visit if you want to see how a city is planning and developing.

www.greaterchristchurch.org.nz

On this note. The Banks Peninsula District voted itself out of existance last year and become part of Christchurch. BPD former mayor Bob Parker who is brilliant and may he be Mayor of Christchurch one day, has now just (this week) become the newest CHC city council member. Christchurch is taking its growth seriously.

Pegasus is going to re-shape how northern CHC is going to look, plans are also developing as to how the south of the city is going to grow.

This is all more reason why it is so frustrating seeing a lot on the roading projects needed, delayed time and time again (see the NZ roading thread for more bad news)!

Flyin is just going to LOVE this.

Yeah the name is stupid for a town.

Now boys, thats not very nice :nono:

I think the name is rather nice and very fitting.

The new town of Pegasus has got its name because it is built on Pegasus Bay.

Pegasus was the name of the sailing ship which surveyed part of the South Island in 1809. The first mate of the brig Pegasus, William Stewart, gave Pegasus Bay its name. The captain, Capt S Chase, lay claim to correcting Capt Cook's charts by determining that 'Banks Island', was in fact Banks Peninsula.

Some interesting facts from Environment Canterbury:

Pegasus Bay has 55 kiometres of wide sweeping sandy beach.
It runs from Banks Peninsula to the Waipara River mouth.
It is Canterbury's only vast stretch of sandy surf beaches.
If contrasts sharply to the rest of the Canterbury coast of gravel and rock.
It is the most highly used coastline in the Canterbury region.
It's popularity for recreation and development means high human impact and development.

Yes, Pegasus is the winged horse from Greek mythology, and is the school symbol for Aranui High School in the eastern suburbs of CHC.

yea i knew that the bay was called pegasus and thats cool for a bay.
It looks like a cool town.

This would push the population of the Waimakiri district to about 25,000, Christchurch has enough trouble handling the traffic from Kaoiopi and Rangiora everyday, another 1,000+ commuters wont help. The ''motorway'' leading into Belfast can cope with it, but all of the roads leading into the city are pretty substandard and could create congestion.

^^
Agreed.
Funny that this is going ahead without there being a plan to upgrade the highway from Woodend at least.

Flyin is just going to LOVE this.


-nods-

Pegasus Gateway Approved.

Reported in the The Press - 17.2.06

Mapleham, the gateway to Pegasus, has been given the thumbs up. The development on 111ha of farmalnd, 3km north of Woodend, will include a 18 hole public golfcourse, a village green, including a club house, gym , resturant, cafe and service buildings and 98 houses in eight clusters. The Mapleson development which lies between State Highway 1 and Pegasus is intended to blend seamlessly with the Canterbury landscape, providing weland habitats, public walkways and a senic entrance to Pegasus.

:)

Hey all First Post :)

Yeah the news about pegasus it great bout time it finally got put into place and now is actually going to happen plus a good spot aswell. The Waimakiri district is im pretty sure the 3rd fastest growing district in NZ behind queenstown lakes and rodney districts and the selwyn district is just behind the Waimakiri district so it should take abit of that heavy demand off the other main towns in the area. Plus traffic is going to be a huge killer it already is getting out of control and all the major work planned for the future seems to be on getting a Southern Motorway built which I think is a good idea because of Rolleston which is I think now the fastest growing town in New Zealand taking over Taupo last year *correct if wrong* what is the next 50 years going to look like is Christchurch goin to join with kaiapoi even Rangiora! Is Rolleston going to join with Christchurch seems likely to me if you study the growth pattern of Auckland over the last 50 years. Another interesting fact is that Christchurch has the fastest growing nz/european internal population within nz in other words more nz/european people within other nz towns cities move to chch than any other city. Shows how many asian people are moving to Auckland considering its the fastest growing area in nz!

p.s GO CRUSADERS

O yea I lived in chch most my life then moved to Rotorua and now live in Dunedin! Cant wait to move back to chch

Great to have you on Board ! Wow another Christchurch Member , good Stuff !
I think the lastest Census Results should be very interesting , should clarify what areas are growing faster than others , I believe the Results will be out in May ? :)

hey NZGSR... good to have more south island people here :)

PS. dont forget to reply to the "Kiwi Count" thread... then we will know just who you are

Welcome NZGSR, great to have another Christchurch Son!! I think that makes about 5 of us from the southern capital.

Anyone been out to check the site at the moment I presume they have started clearing the land by now? I will be going up to christchurch in april so I might drive out and have a look then. I see alot of the house lots have all had a great response from bidders. One lot 963 to be exact is already up to 626K!!! I also like the idea of the lake being heated go for a swim in the winter sounds good.

Hey, I'll be back in Christchurch around Easter, so will try and find some more about it. Some of it sounds pretty amazing (the artifical wave lake comes to mind...). It's being designed as a completely self-sufficient town so people can "work where they play" but I think it's fairly likely that it will chiefly end up serve upper-middle class businesspeople commuting to the city. Sort of like a richer, more exclusive Kaiapoi.

I thought I should put this early pic of pegasus on this thread aswell thought of like a landmark pic of a new begining :)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1826/picture0015to1.jpg

Looks good.

Pegasus development raises $122m
24 April 2006
By JANINE BENNETTS

The development like no other had sales like no other yesterday as $122 million worth of sections in the planned Pegasus township were sold in less than seven hours.


The proposed 340ha Pegasus Town, 25km north of Christchurch, will be the biggest development of its kind in New Zealand and yesterday's auctions produced possibly the country's biggest single residential property sale.

Bob Robertson, the chief executive of property development company Infinity Investment Group Holdings, which is behind the Pegasus project, had hoped to achieve $50 million to $100m in sales in the auction. He described the $122m total as superb.

About 78 per cent of the more than 700 sections on offer yesterday were sold and Robertson is confident the remaining sections will sell quickly.

Pegasus is expected to cost about $1 billion to build and will eventually house 5000 residents, if all goes to plan.

It will also have several luxuries exclusive to its residents, including retail sites, apartments, a 13ha lake, wetlands, golf course, primary school, surf club, aquatic centre, hot mineral pools, equestrian centre, library, retirement village and a hotel.

Robertson said he had needed about $70m to begin construction and yesterday's sales meant there would not be restrictions on starting the developments.

AdvertisementAdvertisementSections in the Pegasus township sold for between $159,000 and $495,000 and buyers paid up to $595,000 for prime golf-course or lakeside sections.

Real Estate Institute of New Zealand National President Howard Morley said yesterday's sale was one of the biggest residential sales in New Zealand history.

Commercial auctions often reached those kind of figures but in terms of residential sales, Pegasus was "right at the top".

The sale follows an intensive and slick marketing campaign by Infinity, based around a giant scale model of Infinity's vision for an idyllic paradise where people could "live where you play".

At the Westpac Centre yesterday, Robertson's voice rang out over the marketing soundtrack – recorded sounds of wildlife and children laughing – which accompanied videos showing middle-aged couples golfing and riding horses.

Dozens of nervous families clutching maps and cellphones sat watching their sections on the computerised sales board, waiting to see if their bids would be successful.

More confident buyers enjoyed coffee at a cafe near the kayaks and windsurfers being raffled off.

Serious buyers had already taken out options on their sections and just had to turn up before noon to finalise their contracts and pay a 10% deposit. Those without options could bid on sections and hope the option holder never showed, or wait for the silent auction in the afternoon to bid on whatever was left.

Lesley Seal, who bid on a section near the wetlands, was waiting nervously to see if the person with an option on it would turn up.

Checking her map and staring at the hundreds of sections on the board, Seal said she wanted a section in Pegasus for the lifestyle it offered.

"I've got two boys and my husband and they're golfers and mountainbikers and I love the beach so, they have something for us all out there really," she said.

By noon the property was hers and Seal said the experience had been exciting.

Janice Wickes and Rod Corbin had taken an option in March and just dropped in yesterday to finalise the details and check out the auction.

Corbin said the couple had decided to buy a Pegasus property after seeing the city's miniature display version.

"As soon as we saw the display, we thought, yep, we will move there."

Construction at Pegasus should begin later this year with the first house completed in early 2007 and the entire town finished by 2015.

Many of the promised features in Pegasus are still subject to council and development requirements.

"We have about 70-odd consents we have to get so we are in the middle of the consenting process," Robertson said.

He was confident all resource consents would be given and everything promised in the brochures would come to fruition.

There were several viable alternatives for stormwater and other parts of the development which needed consents.

"Everything we need to do for that town has already been engineered and designed," Robertson said.

"I don't envisage any major element that we have agreed to that would have a problem."

He would not be moving into Pegasus, but was looking at getting one of the apartments as a holiday home.

Some of the sections were sold as land and housing packages through building companies that have already bought sections from Infinity while others were sold as bare land.

The remaining 400 sections will be put up for sale in two years while the first of more than 800 planned apartments will be up for sale within six months.

Shows how much Growth potential there is in Christchurch :)

Shows how much Growth potential there is in Christchurch :)

My parents went to look at sections, they said the place was crawling with buyers, need to find out what they did. If they have invested, Dad could end up being our SSC photographer.

This is going to be one interesting project to follow.

There's a piece on Pegasus on campbell live tomorrow evening~

i heard there was a 3D animation and some still image computer renderings as well, if anyone going to the sales center can take some digital shots of those and post that would be great- there are some 360 panoramas recently posted on the Pegasus site.

thanks
OB

Hey ob you local chch??? I checked out the 3d veiws made me dizzy as lol

Hi NZGSR, I am located in the US. I am interested in learning if the sales center does have animations. When you mentioned that the 3D views made you dizzy, were you referring to those online? If you are local, and have the ability to take a picture of the sales center with the videos i would greatly appreciate it. I understand that a 3D virtual video tour was composed.

thanks

Anger at Pegasus smoke
08 September 2006
By BECK ELEVEN

A thick haze of smoke has engulfed parts of North Canterbury, prompting health concerns and an investigation.

The land proposed for the Pegasus Township was being burnt off to prepare for work in the subdivision, but the prevailing easterly wind carried noxious smoke through nearby towns yesterday and Wednesday.

More than 180 car-sized piles of trees were still burning yesterday, leaving plumes of smoke drifting along with the easterly.

Angry residents from Woodend, Waikuku, Rangiora and Woodend called Environment Canterbury's (ECan) pollution hotline complaining about the smoke and stench.

By about 3pm on Wednesday Woodend was engulfed by thick smoke.

One Woodend resident, who did not want to be named, said she suffered a headache from the smoke, which covered her property. The woman and her husband run a nursery from their property that they were forced to close yesterday afternoon, sending one staff member home.

"You couldn't work in that and I wouldn't expect anyone else to," the woman said.

"They might have turned it (the burning piles) last night because it was just thick, black smoke, like they were burning rubbish heaps.

"We knew it was going to happen sometime, but nobody came to warn us. It was just horrible out there and it stunk."

Woodend Residents' Association president Ashley Robinson said although he hoped for a harmonious relationship with the Pegasus project team, he predicted these types of hiccups would occur along the way.

"It's a difficult thing to avoid smoke here. Traditionally, Woodend has easterlies that come up. Even if we had been told (about the burn-off date) what can we do? Everybody can't leave town," he said.

"I am amazed they didn't realise how much this has the potential to upset the community."

When built, the proposed 340ha Pegasus Town, 25km north of Christchurch, will be the biggest development of its kind in New Zealand.

A property development company, Infinity Investment Group Holdings, which is behind the Pegasus project, sold $122 million worth of sections in its opening weekend in April.

A brochure describing the township's environmental ethos says Pegasus is "designed to protect and enhance the conservation values of its surrounding environment".

ECan Resource Management Act and enforcement officer Evan Walker said a decision would be made today on who to serve – the Pegasus team or their contractors – and how severe the punishment would be. The council has the power to prosecute or serve an abatement notice on the company at fault.

Neither the contractor, forestry company P. F. Olsen or a representative from Pegasus Town were immediately available to comment.

People will be living in Pegasus, North Canterbury's new town 25km north of Christchurch, by 2008.

The first sod on the 340ha coastal site, which will eventually be home to 5000 residents, was turned yesterday on the access road from State Highway 1, signalling the start of a $200 million construction programme to help build the $1 billion town.

It is expected titles for the first 200 sections in the southern part of the site will be available late next year, with building starting on the first houses early in 2008.

Yesterday's brief sod-turning ceremony was a milestone for the concept.

It was floated by Southern Capital in 1997 and struggled its way through a tortuous planning process that ended in 2002 when the Environment Court gave the concept the all-clear.

The developers merged soon after with Hirequip and the project stalled. New life was breathed into it in late 2004 when Hirequip quit the property market and Bob Robertson and his Wanaka-based company, Infinity Investments Ltd, bought the land. Robertson, who wanted to create an "amazing little town" with its own identity, said yesterday that it had been a long process, but he had no doubt the town would be a drawcard for people wanting a unique lifestyle, supported by an array of recreational features and community facilities.

Pegasus will have a $24m 18-hole golf course and estate, an $8m conservation wetland area with trails and boardwalks, an $11m lake with a heated swimming bay and landscaped hot pools along its edge, a hotel, restaurants, cafes, yacht club, an aquatic and equestrian centre and a surf club.

About 700 sections, priced at between $159,000 and $495,000 have been bought, while buyers paid up to $595,000 for prime golf-course or lakeside sections.

Waimakariri Mayor Jim Gerard said Pegasus would offer a different experience for residents because it was purpose-built town for long-term residential living, unlike towns built around projects such as hydro dams. The international hotel planned for Pegasus would attract tourists to the district, he said.

Two Weeks and ill get some photos up of the site so far:)

Will be very interesting to see this development Progress :cheers:

Great Chris, can't wait to see this little baby up and growing - just sounds to good to be true.

By the way, love you sheep!!

Monday, 26 March 2007, 2:53 pm
Press Release: TelstraClear

26 March 2007
Pegasus will be fast town with TelstraClear

Pegasus Town today announced TelstraClear has won an exclusive contract to install telecommunications services.

TelstraClear Chief Executive Dr Allan Freeth says Pegasus Town is an exciting, uniquely innovative concept that will benefit from the company's triple-play services.

"It's a one of a kind development that will deliver New Zealand's best in home services, and we're excited to be associated with a project of this standard. Pegasus Town represents cutting edge thinking, something that fits with the way we like to do things at TelstraClear," says Dr Freeth.

"We'll deliver a unique InHome triple play TV, Internet and phone line package, working to future proof Pegasus Town homes, business and its community," says Dr Freeth.

Pegasus Town will get free local calling to Christchurch, a dedicated contact centre service and a unique phone number range. A one-off connection fee will provide customers with a broadband modem, TV set top box, boundary and premise cabling and a telephone line connection.

Infinity Investment Group Chief Executive Bob Robertson said he chose TelstraClear to install its telecommunications services because their solution fitted his vision of Pegasus Town.

"Pegasus is New Zealand's first master-planned town, and we wanted the town to be digitally wired, to get fast broadband and to have the latest communications services so residents, businesses and schools are fully equipped for the future," says Mr Robertson.

"Pegasus Town businesses will be broadband hungry, needing fast speeds to move large data and image files. With speeds of up to 10 mbps downstream and up to 2 mbps upstream, Pegasus Town will be a fast town. What's more there's capacity to increase speeds in the future," he says.

"Another part of the Pegasus Town concept, is its philosophy to live where you play. We didn't want unsightly satellite dishes and streets being continuously dug up. TelstraClear's solution fits with this vision," he says.

ADVERTISEMENT
Pegasus Town is being built 25km north of Christchurch. It will be New Zealand's largest fully zoned, integrated town. The $1 billion project will include 2000 residential and commercial lots and will be home for about 5,000 people.

Stage one of the development saw 765 residential sections offered for sale. Pegasus received an overwhelming response when it was released in April 2006 and at this stage 98% of the original release of sections have been sold.

ENDS

I thought I should put this early pic of pegasus on this thread aswell thought of like a landmark pic of a new begining :)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1826/picture0015to1.jpg

This reminds me of Sim City

Survey gives first picture of Pegasus town
Tuesday 12 June 2007
The first purchasers of properties in Pegasus, North Canterbury, are young and active Kiwis who enjoy the outdoor environment, rather than property investors.
A just released survey of the new community’s residents shows that it is more than likely they’ve got kids, whom they want to see go to a local school.

They come from a cross-section of working backgrounds and most currently own a home in Christchurch. An amazing 19% are Homosexuals , single or in relationships, with children from previous relationships or whom plan to have a Family .

Many of them plan to start building homes in the town soon, which is currently under development.

Almost half of the respondents say they are definitely intending to live in Pegasus, with only 17% purchasing a section purely as an investment. The majority of those with firm plans to build a home in Pegasus are intending to do so in 2008-09.

Pegasus is a town for 5,000 people to be built 25 kilometres north of Christchurch. It will be the largest fully zoned, integrated town development of its kind in New Zealand. The town, on 420 hectares of green-fields land bordering Pegasus Bay in North Canterbury, is part of the Waimakariri District.

The survey was conducted by Infinity Investment Group, who along with Multiplex Group is a joint venture developer of the new town. The Waimakariri District Council carried out survey analysis and reporting.

Over half of the initial purchasers of sections at Pegasus took part in the study, which was undertaken to gain an understanding of the characteristics and aspirations of the community. The fast developing North Canterbury town will eventually be home to up to 5000 people.

Survey results show purchasers at Pegasus are typically younger than the current population of the Waimakariri District. Only 2% are resident overseas, with most (61%) currently living in Christchurch and another 13% already in the Waimakariri District.

Infinity Investment Group chief executive Bob Robertson says lifestyle and environment are the highest ranked reasons for choosing to purchase a section at Pegasus.

“Survey respondents have told us they like the ability to live where they play – enjoying the town’s lifestyle and recreational assets without having to travel away from the area.”

“They also appreciate the fact that the town’s retail precincts, entertainment areas and leisure activities are all within walking distance.”

Pegasus has been designed to create a community with recreational features including a lake with filtered swimming bay, restaurants and shopping districts, a beach with dedicated surf club, an 18-hole golf course, yacht club, aquatic centre, and equestrian centre. A Gay Bar/Hotel will now be incorporated into proposed commercial Developments .

Parents responding to the survey also liked the family-friendly aspects of the community, with over half with primary school–aged children intending to send them to local schools.

The only major concern of respondents was the commute to Christchurch. However, over 40% said they would use public transport if it was available and a further 30% would consider doing so. :cheers: :lol:

OMG - Homosville..................A gay bar/hotel - whats the matter with just 2 or 3 bars and hotels....................please, I hope this isn't a ghetto developing.

An amazing 19% are Homosexuals

Well it would seem so... that is so random! I guess when you think about it it's sort of a utopian gay paradise! Reminds me of Oz... lol

That can mean that the first festival in the new town can be a gay pride one, or something of that nature. :)

What about a ''horney housewives'' parade........for a change. Theyre people too.

OMG - Homosville..................A gay bar/hotel - whats the matter with just 2 or 3 bars and hotels....................please, I hope this isn't a ghetto developing. What are you talking about Davey!? :ohno: Pegasus es 'un pueblo del futuro' - not Rolleston as they say!!! Not having a go at you brother , but if you don't know anything about it, then please don't spit that kind of rhetoric! That goes for everyone here. People, {lurkers} are reading this, many of whom are professionals, so please don't in any way mis-inform them, as they prolly think that we are in the know.

But serious.

Jesus man....

I mean where do you get this from MArky!?

Gotta luv NZ media! It's not at all biased or, just u know, opinionated or anything! Nah, it's 'kwality' journalism

What about a ''horney housewives'' parade........for a change. Theyre people too.

Like f*** they are.

Well it would seem so... that is so random! I guess when you think about it it's sort of a utopian gay paradise! Reminds me of Oz... lol

19 % is closer to the true percentage of gay people in any given community/area etc. Whether they are out or accept it or not, is another story. In fact if truth be told, remove the bible out of the equation and thereby remove any chance of being burned in hell and that will probably jump up to 80% :)

As far as I'm concerned we can't have enough bi women in the world

What are you talking about Davey!? :ohno: Pegasus es 'un pueblo del futuro' - not Rolleston as they say!!! Not having a go at you brother , but if you don't know anything about it, then please don't spit that kind of rhetoric! That goes for everyone here. People, {lurkers} are reading this, many of whom are professionals, so please don't in any way mis-inform them, as they prolly think that we are in the know.

But serious.

Jesus man....

I mean where do you get this from MArky!?

Gotta luv NZ media! It's not at all biased or, just u know, opinionated or anything! Nah, it's 'kwality' journalism



Like f*** they are.


sorry cartel - but what point(s) are you making. i think david has raised a point and kaas has a right to a view. since when have you had the moral high ground?

i don't want this to develop into an argument - but your post seems a bit high and mighty, even a little strong.

perhaps you can explain to us what you are trying to say - because it doesn't make that much sense to me?

as you imply - im not having a go but................?

^^ He was drunk when he wrote it :lol:

I tidied up the language but again: :lol:

19 % is closer to the true percentage of gay people in any given community/area etc. Whether they are out or accept it or not, is another story. In fact if truth be told, remove the bible out of the equation and thereby remove any chance of being burned in hell and that will probably jump up to 80%

Haha yea but 19% who officially list themselves as gay makes it one of the gayest areas in the World. Even places like Castro are only around 30-35% 'officially'.

I'm worried Cartel is going off the rails slightly...

19 % is closer to the true percentage of gay people in any given community/area etc. Whether they are out or accept it or not, is another story. In fact if truth be told, remove the bible out of the equation and thereby remove any chance of being burned in hell and that will probably jump up to 80% :)

Its tough being in a minority - brown and straight!! :)

Its tough being in a minority - brown and straight!! :)

^^ :lol: :lol:

Haha yea but 19% who officially list themselves as gay makes it one of the gayest areas in the World. Even places like Castro are only around 30-35% 'officially'.

I'm worried Cartel is going off the rails slightly...

no wonder nz population is so small :lol:

such a huge gay population in a small city at the bottom of the world.

^^ 19% isn't that high

19 % is closer to the true percentage of gay people in any given community/area etc. Whether they are out or accept it or not, is another story. In fact if truth be told, remove the bible out of the equation and thereby remove any chance of being burned in hell and that will probably jump up to 80% :)

I dont think it would be 80% lol, there would be no percentage, most would experiment between the two like the romans did.

i thought that kinsey estimated about 10% of the population to be gay

There are heaps of women playing around with other girls these days. Bi is IN!

>( mmmmmmm :laugh::lol:

^^ :lol:

Wow - check out the construction pictures and lots more artist drawings. It's all a reality.

http://www.pegasustown.com/

That's gonna be something alright. Wonder when Transit will wake up and start seriously lob bying for some major work on SH1. I wouldnt want to be in Woodend in a few years.

I'm just reading throught the Urban Development Statergy and there are big plans for State Highway 1 north...................will let you know more once I've finished reading - they are on the ball but................

I'm just reading throught the Urban Development Statergy and there are big plans for State Highway 1 north...................will let you know more once I've finished reading - they are on the ball but................
Sounds quite interesting :) Can't wait to hear back from you!

bloody need to to do something with the motorway. how do they expect the traffic to flow in and out of the metroplitain area?

Updates?? :banana:

I suppose we are one of the 2% foreign buyers who want to buy into Pegasus. My wife is going crazy about living there and we hope to get out in Nov 2008. She has been researching like mad and is really, really keen to come out.

However I am a bit reluctant but am gradually being won over on the idea. My only reservations at the moment is the idea of living in a made up/new town similar to Milton Keynes over here in the UK (sorry to all living in MK at the moment), the actual cost of living in Pegasus, (The freshwater lake, amenities etc that the sales blurb quotes are all well and good but how much will it cost to use them), and finally if the school doesn't get built what happens to the kids who need schooling. Reason why I say this is we saw a similar scheme elsewhere and the houses got built but the resident were still waiting for the school to be built.

That said the location looks great and failing anything a walk is free and I presume the beach is free as well.

:banana: Hey welcome Mashanite - fantastic to have someone who is going to be living there.:banana: :)

Hi David

We aren't there yet but someday. Have to get through immigration, job hunting but shouldn't take too long. :bash: Again we need to weigh up what's happening at Pegasus before putting any money down but it all looks pretty OK to me just want to make sure. When you're half way around the world its hard to make decisions without actually being there.

cheers

True.

I'm sure you will be very happy in NZ and in Christchurch/Canterbury. I have worked will a number of English people who have moved out and they have not regretted it at all. In fact two couples have bought in Rangiora which is next to the Pegasus Development. They find this up and coming area of north Christchurch suites their lives and kids really well. Waimakariri District is one of the fastest growing areas in the country, so I think there is no worry about the school and other projects being planned for Pegasus not going ahead. In fact they are essential for the growth of the place. School wise, their a many schools in Rangiora, Kaiapoi, Woodend and Belfast, all 5, 10 and 15 minutes drive away, including two big High Schools (Rangiora & Kaiapoi) close by.

My parents looked around at the Pegasus sales but because they are retiring, they are thinking of apartment living in the central city :banana: They said if they were young they would move to Pegasus.

I know what you mean about Milton Keynes - I don't think they really compare..........for starts, where is the sea in MK??:lol:

Where in the UK are you??

David

Thanks for the input. I think you've put to bed some fears about schooling that I had. From what I can gather from people on this site and from other sites the Pegasus development is on the level. You just get cynical because of all the other similar schemes around the world that have sounded good and then turned out to be turkeys.

We should really come out and take a look but don't have the time, money and energy to do it with 4 year olds on a 28 hours flight.

We live in Halifax probably as far away as you can get from the sea in the UK. Never been to Watford but passed through the gap many times going down to London.

You are right about the comparison. Not fair to compare a post war development with a 21st century one.

If it helps any more - I have family in Rangiora and Woodend - they are all "normal" and have done very well for themselves. I have had close friends attend schools (primary and high) in the area as well and they are now all professionals or housewives :lol: You will be surprised at how lovely the area is, rich in South Pacific and early European Colonial History. Not to mention close to getting into the central city, 15 - 20 mins from CHC International, wineries, skiing, the beaches.....just tons of things.:banana: :banana:

I can't wait to move back home once work allows.:lol: :)

Lot's of people from the area send their kids to high schools in Christchurch. There were buses to my school from Kaiapoi and Rangiora, and would assume Pegasus would be the same.

I do think this project is on the level, but did they note include anything in their contracts about schools/further developments etc?

They are a bit sketchy as far as schools and facilities go. I suppose they can't really make any real decisions until they know about numbers etc.

We have now received the "spec" from one of the builders. Funny they give you what they include as standard and then an "eco" build which includes things like double glazing, heat pumps, insulated roof and walls, etc. I thought this would be a standard as it is in the UK? I think the builder is Stonewood homes. Anybody know anything about them?

I guess you have already look , alot of those items would not be standard in NZ although should be , maybe they are talking about upgraded insulation , I wonder if there is a website to check up on what should be standard ? Being in the Building industry in OZ , I know there are companies that will take clients for a ride , and word is about that UK Clients are cashed up and ready to spend ....anyways I would imagine money well spent , as the extra cost would eventually pay off in the long run with cheaper energy bills .....while NZ Building standards have incorporated Earthquake design and Structual requirements for years , energy rating inclusions is a reasonabily new inclusion / option :cheers: Actually there seem to be number of Forums for UK immigrants to NZ , I saw one set up in Tauranga , Im sure they would help out , I'll see if I can find one ....:cheers:



They are a bit sketchy as far as schools and facilities go. I suppose they can't really make any real decisions until they know about numbers etc.

We have now received the "spec" from one of the builders. Funny they give you what they include as standard and then an "eco" build which includes things like double glazing, heat pumps, insulated roof and walls, etc. I thought this would be a standard as it is in the UK? I think the builder is Stonewood homes. Anybody know anything about them?

Stonewood Homes have an office in Tauranga , so someone may know something about them :cheers:

http://www.movetonz.org/

hi Marky mark

We have certainly looked at their website, could probably quote bits of it off by heart. Don't mind paying the extra as far as eco products go so long as they get put in. Being in the UK you can't really watch what's going on but having said that even if you were in NZ you wouldn't really be able to as well. Can't work it out, but how does the building process go once the house is built. Who signs the works off so that they are to spec? I presume an independent assessor has to do this?

Was also wondering about the earthquake design. On one website you can either have timber frame or a steel frame. I presume that they are both earthquake proof but one is better than the other?

Thanks for your reply

http://www.consumerbuild.org.nz/publish/

BTW I would use the words designed for Earthquake Resistance, there would be very few Houses Earthquake Proof , mine you all of Enees Penthouses have survived alot of Shaking He He :lol:

hi Marky mark

We have certainly looked at their website, could probably quote bits of it off by heart. Don't mind paying the extra as far as eco products go so long as they get put in. Being in the UK you can't really watch what's going on but having said that even if you were in NZ you wouldn't really be able to as well. Can't work it out, but how does the building process go once the house is built. Who signs the works off so that they are to spec? I presume an independent assessor has to do this?

Was also wondering about the earthquake design. On one website you can either have timber frame or a steel frame. I presume that they are both earthquake proof but one is better than the other?

Thanks for your reply

http://www.consumerbuild.org.nz/publish/

BTW I would use the words designed for Earthquake Resistance, there would be very few Houses Earthquake Proof , mine you all of Enees Penthouses have survived alot of Shaking He He :lol:

:lol: :lol: The cracks are starting to show :nuts:

Shake that Bootee......Luvee :banana:


:lol: :lol: The cracks are starting to show :nuts:

Or that it was going to have such a Large Moist area :banana:

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_0181.jpg

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great shot mate! it's going to be nice driving up there on the weekends:) in however many years...

I think there are plans to have the town linked to the beaches through the pine forests and waterways. There is miles of sweeping beach north and south from this point.

The big puddle I assume is going to be the lake at the centre of town with hotels, shops, resturants, sailing school, beach etc.

So interesting to see a town developing out of nothing.

Is this town likely to be a oneoff or are there likely to be more of this type of development in Canterbury.:)

Is this town likely to be a oneoff or are there likely to be more of this type of development in Canterbury.:)

Nagi Tahu are planning a large town development between Pegasus and Kaiapoi effectively creating a new northern urban area - the new Waimakariri City perhaps. I believe that Rangiora, which is growing fast, has new housing developments planned around it.

Then again - there is Rolleston, Lincoln, Prebbleton and West Melton all growing and developing in the south, south east and west of the city in Selwyn.

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/pegasus-map.jpg

Didn't I just read somewhere lately that an area of Tuahiwi (half way between Woodend and Kaiapoi) has been zoned residential? Is something actually happening in West Melton? It's been a one horse town for as long as I can remember!

Is the model still the same or has it been updated. From what I can remember it looked very 70's ???

^^ Maybe not everyone wants their town to look like the viaduct in Auckland.

^^ Maybe not everyone wants their town to look like the viaduct in Auckland.

Good God no... I would hate to live on the Viaduct!

I have to say though I fear the Pegasus development will be a rather "automobile centred development". What provisions have been put in place for the future sustainability of the project? Are there any plans for light rail/commuter rail? What will the local bus service be like too?

Pagasus reminds me of a very up market American surburban development...some will like it others will just hate it. The fact is that it's all sold up to date......:banana:

^^ Maybe not everyone wants their town to look like the viaduct in Auckland.

Oh - now why didn't I think of that :bash: Not all of us can live in the Viaduct but some are luckier than others. I wouldn't mind living there - the Viaduct that is ;)

Pagasus reminds me of a very up market American surburban development...some will like it others will just hate it. The fact is that it's all sold up to date......:banana:

The pics that we saw of the model wasn't very clear and really didn't look very exciting to me but then again it is only a model and things will probably be very different.

The pics that we saw of the model wasn't very clear and really didn't look very exciting to me but then again it is only a model and things will probably be very different.

True - I would ove to see the model - it's all very exciting whats happening though.

What provisions have been put in place for the future sustainability of the project? Are there any plans for light rail/commuter rail? What will the local bus service be like too?

None, I believe

None, I believe

That is a little concerning to me, though not surprising. :(

In this day and age you'd think the council would require PT or at least the possibility for it!

They'll most likely have sme kind of bus connection planned but as for more comprehensive PT or road infrastructure I don't believe there is much. There is however a study taking place into ChCh's northern areas

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/pegasus-map.jpg

The black line is the railway line going north, but you loose sight of it at Kaipoi. It must run along side SH1. Perhaps rail will be an option one day??

^^
It does - follows SH1 to Rangiora. Pegasus would require a new line to be built.

^^
It does - follows SH1 to Rangiora. Pegasus would require a new line to be built.

Here is hoping that a commuter network can be established for the future sustainability of ChCh. Wellington manages to pull it off!

Investment Opportunities in New Zealand Available to Local Investors :cheers:

http://www.colliers.com/Content/Repositories/Base/Markets/Singapore/English/News_Content/Images/PegasusYachtClub_Apt.jpg

For Immediate Release, 2007-11-06
by Seah Li Ching
Colliers International, Singapore

Colliers International will be launching a high-end waterfront development – Pegasus Yacht Club Apartments – located in Pegasus Town, a large scale coastal township project which is a 25-minute drive (approximately 25 km) north of Christchurch, New Zealand. The exhibition will be held from November 17-18, 2007 at Hilton Hotel in Singapore.

Developed by the Infinity Investment Group, a New Zealand property development company known for its innovative and high quality projects, Pegasus Yacht Club Apartments comprises 56 units of three-bedroom apartments, with floor areas ranging from 1,561 sq ft to 3,391 sq ft.

The subject development is strategically situated within Pegasus Town, enjoying stunning waterfront view of Pegasus Lake and sandy beaches, as well as the benefits of proximity to various amenities including cafes, restaurants, shops and supermarkets in the town centre.

Mr Michael Tan, Associate Director and Head of International Projects at Colliers International, says, “Prices for Pegasus Yacht Club Apartments currently start from approximately S$1.029 million (NZ$895,000). We expect that investors who lock in their purchases now will benefit from strong potential capital growth in the mid term when the apartments and Pegasus Town are completed in Year 2010.”

"Being a luxurious waterfront development in a brand new town, Pegasus Yacht Club Apartments is a very unique project, considering the strict regulations under the Resource Management Act in New Zealand,” adds Mr
Tan.

Mr Bob Robertson, CEO of Infinity Investment Group, says, “The development of Pegasus Town is on schedule and progressing well. With the launch of Pegasus Yacht Club Apartments, we are already commencing the works on the town’s main feature lake which will allow all our early investors to visualize the ultimate waterfront lifestyle at Pegasus, a place where they can ‘Live where they play’.”

This will be the second time that projects in Pegasus Town are launched in Singapore. The first launch was held in November 2006, during which the Infinity Investment Group released and successfully sold all 35 bungalow plots in Pegasus Town to investors in Singapore, with approximately 73 per cent of them being Singaporeans:)

:cheers::banana:

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_0181.jpg

:cheers::banana:

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_0181.jpg

Bloody Hell - it is huge Marky :uh::tongue4: Just what a boy LOVES :)

Here's the PDF from the Colliers website... has a larger render... different angle tho so would be good to get a larger copy of the one above!

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_0177.jpg:banana:

Wow :) I'm going to have to take a drive out there soon. Starting to take shape.

Forgot to add the link above!

http://58.185.171.5/Residential/Intl_YCA.pdf

^^:lol: Thanks Tim

Gee-wiz, they are not thinking small at all .... thanks for all the up-dates :)

Here's the main entrance.

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This whole town will exit onto this little, wee road which I believe some call State Highway 1. Anyone else thinking ''morning crush hour''?

^^ Not if transport provision is handled properly it shouldn't be too bad. You never know a surprise like a commuter rail system (IE 4 trains per day, 2 in 2 out) along the American line of thinking might materialise to help handle the crush.

This whole town will exit onto this little, wee road which I believe some call State Highway 1. Anyone else thinking ''morning crush hour''?

Don't worry - it is now on Transits 100 year plan with the rest of Chch roading. :lol:

Here's the main entrance.

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_0179.jpg

This whole town will exit onto this little, wee road which I believe some call State Highway 1. Anyone else thinking ''morning crush hour''?

Well this won't actually be a problem just yet - Commuters coming out of Pegasus will turn LEFT on to the little wee road that is SH.1. Coming home, they'll turn RIGHT into the side road and with Pegasus being the last of the major 'commutable' towns in the north of Chch, there won't be much oncoming traffic to yield to.

In the more medium term, a large roundabout will be built at the junction to replace the priority intersection.

In the longer term, the Woodend Bypass [motorway] will either terminate at the roundabout, heading into the city, or, will cut between Pegasus and Mapleham and join SH.1 somewhere just before Waikuku.

Somehow, I'm not sure what is best as far as the Woodend bypass is concerned:

If they build the short bypass, thus terminating at the roundabout, then Pegasus traffic will be able to travel to CHC without trawling through Woodend. But then that will just annoy long distance traffic which would find the stop start nature of roundabouts to be counter productive to having a nice motorway bypass.

If they build the long bypass, then Pagasus residents will have to drive through Woodend, slowing them down, and probably annoying their residents. But through traffic would love it as the last interruption to their driving when leaving Chch would be that final set of traffic lights in Belfast.

What would be better, is to have a short bypass, with an interchange at the Pegasus entrance, OR, better still, have a long bypass, and a short link road, or interchange at Pegasus' other entrance (which is a side road out of Woodend)

CHCH Press Sat Dec 8

Pegasus is the fastest new town to be built in Australasia and possibly the world, says the man behind the multimillion-dollar North Canterbury development.

Infinity Investment group chief executive Bob Robertson said yesterday he expected Pegasus Town, 25km north of Christchurch, to be "fully functional and viable" within three years.

"It's easily the fastest-built town in Australasia and possibly the world," he said during a visit to see progress on the $250 million project, which is being backed by Infinity and the Multiplex Group.

Bruce Thompson, Waimakariri District Council manager for resource planning and regulation, said the speed at which Pegasus had developed was a huge challenge for staff but the end result was an "exciting and impressive" project.

There had been some hiccups along the way, and a few decisions still had to be made, but everybody had worked together productively.

"The town centre alone will make it a destination for the whole of Canterbury," he said.

The first titles are due in early January with 325 expected to be issued for the first three stages by the end of March.

Robertson said within a year of title 50 per cent of the residential sections would be built on and within five years 90% of the 1200 sections would have homes on them.

The bulk of the sections were bought at a single-day sale in April 2006, and section owners have yet to sight their new home other than on a large scale model.

Robertson said he was certain when they saw it for the first time that "nearly everything will be a lot better than the model".

Plans were well advanced for the town centre and it would be built over two years once businesses had been selected, early next year, for the 107 commercial outlets.

"It is critical for this town that we have a broad range of shops and services. We will end up with a 100 per cent calculated and ideal layout of essential services, industry, shops, restaurants and bars," he said.

Some essential services, such as a supermarket, would have started and he was hopeful a primary school would be ready by the start of the 2009 school year.

Robertson said he was confident the 14ha feature lake in the town centre would have "pristine, crystal-clear" water in it. "We will spend $900,000 digging the lake and $14 million ensuring it is a safe public amenity," he said.

Consent had been obtained to dig the lake to five metres to ensure better ground water quality, which would be filtered through a lining of river wash stones and kept clean and healthy with stratification extractors to stop stagnation and toxins entering the water.

The Mapleham golf course, at the entrance to the town, would be finished by November 2008.

By Rebecca Todd - The Press | Thursday, 13 December 2007

Conservation area: Pegasus Town cultural adviser Te Marino Lenihan with a pre-Ngai Tahu pa found as foundations were dug for the town.

A pre-Ngai Tahu Maori pa has been uncovered at the site of the new Pegasus township.

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The town is being built from scratch 25km north of Christchurch and is expected to house about 5000 people.

The pa, found under what was to be the town's pump station, is believed to be 500 to 600 years old.

The nearby Kaiapohia Pa, a Ngai Tahu fortified village, is about 300 years old.

Pegasus Town cultural advisor Te Marino Lenihan said the age of the pa meant it was probably inhabited by Ngati Mamoe or Waitaha people.

Cultural observers noticed changes in the earth colour as the diggers went to work in the area in October, he said.

Archaeologists discovered several fence-post bases and a clear pattern emerged of a fortified line of posts.

Remnants of other structures such as houses were uncovered along with hunting weapons and midden (meal) sites. The partial remains of a body were also found nearby.

The old peninsula formed the back of the site, creating a natural barrier of deep water against possible attacks.

Lenihan said only part of the village would be uncovered to look for artefacts and it would be covered with plant debris once the dig was completed.

The pump station had been moved and the dimensions of the golf course lake altered to allow for conservation of the pa.

Other dedicated conservation areas, more than 100 hectares in total, had also been set aside which held particular significance for Maori, he said.

"Where possible we want to retain the waterway features because they tell a story, that's why people chose the area."

Across the Pegasus site, small coloured flags mark the hundreds of other discoveries made by Lenihan and his team of 10 cultural monitors and archaeologists.

The team's presence onsite was part of the negotiations between the developers and local Maori for whom the area has huge cultural significance.

"The older aunties have been strong about saying, `don't forget our past', it's important to us and we believe it's important for everyone who lives here to know where you are from and where you are living," said Lenihan.

A whare taonga (treasure house) is planned to keep all the artefacts found on the land.

[QUOTE=KaneD;16929608]Well this won't actually be a problem just yet - Commuters coming out of Pegasus will turn LEFT on to the little wee road that is SH.1. Coming home, they'll turn RIGHT into the side road and with Pegasus being the last of the major 'commutable' towns in the north of Chch, there won't be much oncoming traffic to yield to.

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I used to commute from leithfield beach and i gotta tell ya during rush hour it will be a big problem, there is plenty of traffic already beyond woodend and the stretch from pines beach to waikuku (the NEXT and in reality last major commuting town) was the worst part of the trip... during rush hour often 60-70km/h in 100km/hr zone, sometimes much worse... that intersection will back up big time and the lack of passing oportunities until the motorway will cause a big, long, slow line of traffic. current speeds are frustrating but with pegasus it will only get worse. I know because i commuted on this route for 6 months less than a year ago. Its shockingly 3rd world.

The Press | Saturday, 15 December 2007

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HITTING THE DUST: a helicopter pilot refills a bucket to suppress dust at the new Pegasus Town site.

A strong easterly wind blowing dust from the Pegasus development north of Christchurch has whipped up a storm of protest from angry Woodend residents.


Several residents rang the Environment Canterbury (ECan) hotline during a recent dust storm that coated cars and properties in Woodend and crept inside on to furniture and floor coverings.

Andrea Bertie, of Eders Road, said two hours after her 11am call a helicopter and monsoon bucket had taken to the skies over the 420ha development, just north of her property.

But the helicopter fought a losing battle because of the strong wind and the large area involved, she said.

"I rang ECan because it is not good enough and not OK. You get sore eyes and you can taste it in your mouth," she said.

The developer, Infinity Investments, was probably doing its best to mitigate the effects but should keep a closer eye on the weather forecasts and dampen the site before the wind arrived, she said.

Helen Roberts, also of Eders Road, said the dust had aggravated her hay fever and the asthma of her husband, Jim, and left a fine film over their property.

"Even the poor old dog has stains down his eyes (from them running)," she said.

Roberts said last Saturday's dust storm had been the worst she had experienced.

"The dust was horrific. We had to wash the car, which is parked outside, so we could see out the windows," she said.

Pegasus Town project director Shane Fairmaid said the response "needed to be better" on that day and procedures were being developed to ensure more effective action in future.

Contractors, who had signed up to an environmental management plan, had knocked off for the day and only one water cart had been working.

Fairmaid said as soon as he was aware of the problem a company helicopter took to the air and delivered 50,000 litres of water to the property in four hours. Four extra water trucks were also put on the job.

The company was aware of the nuisance. He said a team would be at the property full-time over the Christmas-New Year period and urged anyone with problems to contact Pegasus Town management.

Map of Streets and street names.

http://www.pegasustown.com/pdfs/C04168BB25_902.pdf

List of Street Names and who or where they come from...

http://www.pegasustown.com/pdfs/C04168BB25_902.pdf

I guess Public Transport are dirty words for Pegasus?

It would be cool to see a frequent bus service going throughout Pegasus and going into Christchurch. Would be a real turn-on (ohh yeaa) for the locals.

I'm sure I remember a news article about an upmarket new development in ChCh having its residents protest against having a bus route go through their part of town.

I think that was at Northwoods. I didnt follow it I think it had something to do to with the traffic? Or maybe lowlifes taking the bus to their suburb. I just thought it/they/the whole story was just ODD. The way the media can be maybe it was 4 residents and they made so much noise the whole suburb got the rap.

Davee, as promised I took a run into the Pegasus site . Earth moving, utilities and roads a plenty, but little sign of any actual house building. A few days after my arrival the weather turned very wet, the local farmers were thankful as were the residents of Woodend who have complained about dust storms engulfing there village, it would appear that the local council have allowed the developers to top strip almost the complete site well in advance of any construction work and now the developer is spending "big bucks" in watering the site. A few pics of large open spaces:lol:.........

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Good progress!

The site is huge!!

What I find amazing is the way in NZ all the streets, street lights, footpaths, plantings, road markings etc are all done before building.

Here in the UK, we seem to build, then all the finishing touches...

The site is huge!!

What I find amazing is the way in NZ all the streets, street lights, footpaths, plantings, road markings etc are all done before building.

Here in the UK, we seem to build, then all the finishing touches...

There is a stark difference between residential developments in the UK from those of NZ.

In NZ, the typical subdivision involves a developer who builds a subdivision and sells sections to private buyers via estate agents or to home building companies.

If sold to home building companies, they will either build in it as a spec home and find a buyer, or sell home and land packages for private buyers to choose from a variety of designs that builder has, or provide ideas for a custom one off design.

If sold to a private buyer, they then find a home building company to build the home of their choice on it either from a selection of plans each home builder has, or a custom designed one. Similar to the above, but the land owner can choose from any building company which provides greater range, but complicates financing etc.

In the UK, my understanding is that the developer basically does the lot, builds the homes, the street works etc then once complete, sells them to private buyers via estate agents. The private buyer rarely has much oppertunity to "build the home of their dreams" per se, rather its "Choose the house of their dreams". This might explain why all the houses in a subdivision have a rather uniform look and not individualistic such as in NZ, Oz etc

There is a stark difference between residential developments in the UK from those of NZ.

In NZ, the typical subdivision involves a developer who builds a subdivision and sells sections to private buyers via estate agents or to home building companies.

If sold to home building companies, they will either build in it as a spec home and find a buyer, or sell home and land packages for private buyers to choose from a variety of designs that builder has, or provide ideas for a custom one off design.

If sold to a private buyer, they then find a home building company to build the home of their choice on it either from a selection of plans each home builder has, or a custom designed one. Similar to the above, but the land owner can choose from any building company which provides greater range, but complicates financing etc.

In the UK, my understanding is that the developer basically does the lot, builds the homes, the street works etc then once complete, sells them to private buyers via estate agents. The private buyer rarely has much oppertunity to "build the home of their dreams" per se, rather its "Choose the house of their dreams". This might explain why all the houses in a subdivision have a rather uniform look and not individualistic such as in NZ, Oz etc

Hmmm, I'd argue with your point about individualism (though you're spot on about most things you said). If you take a look at Dannemora in Auckland you'll see that EVERY house looks pretty much exactly the same. The designs almost literally alternate "House 1, House 2, House 1, House 2". I guess it depends on the size of the development, the contractors involved and other mitigating factors.

Traditionally NZ has built it's suburbs in the way described by KaneD and still does for the most part. Areas like Dannemora and many other new eastern suburbs are doen on a more mass production scale as is the case in North America and Europe. This is pretty new in NZ (except for the State Housing developments of the 30's - 60's). Most new suburbs in NZ are still developed and sold in the manner KaneD stated.
KaneD is also correct that most new suburbs in Europe are built by one developer or a consortium. In stark contrast to NZ it is the streets with lampposts and footpaths which are the last thing to be done. A finished home offen stands in mud upon completion awaiting the streetwork.

Hmmm, I'd argue with your point about individualism (though you're spot on about most things you said). If you take a look at Dannemora in Auckland you'll see that EVERY house looks pretty much exactly the same. The designs almost literally alternate "House 1, House 2, House 1, House 2". I guess it depends on the size of the development, the contractors involved and other mitigating factors.

Yes, there are plenty of slight variations on that of course, sometimes home building companies to the whole thing (UK style), though most will still make an individualistic look to the place.

Typically retirement village developments, state housing developments, council limited income housing and of course higher density developments tend to mostly follow UK way of developing.

The Dannemora development is indeed similar to the UK style way of developing. But it would be fair to say that for general private residential developments, this is more the exception rather than the rule.

I've heard a few brits comment that the subdivisions look 'messy' here since houses don't all fit in uniformly. If we continue to have a high british migrant population, then perhaps we will see more UK style developments in time?

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All looking good. It's going to be fantastic to see the commercial buildings, houses, school etc going in soon.

holy crap this thing is gonna be huge. Seriously not just this but right next door is Woodend and there are at least two other developments that i know of going on there. Not to mention what is happening in nearby Kaiapoi and Rangiora. Waikuku is going to go off once this is complete, the land is so cheap out there (well... miles cheaper than in Christchurch anyway) once Pegasus is up it will act like a magnet. So much land out there is being ready for development it wont be long before they start to merge together. Once Pegasus is up and running a lot more will get off the ground.

I think the urban population of Waimakariri is about 35 000 at the mo (maybe more) which includes Kaiapoi, Rangiora, Woodend and maybe Waikuku or even Ohoka. By 2015 its going to be off the charts, 50 000 plus maybe. i wouldnt mind betting that Pegasus may turn out to be the "CBD" of this area. Seriously a new motorway and provision for a future branch railway to Pegasus need to be made asap

Like how theres plenty of off Street Parking ....:cheers:

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Thanks for a fantastic update Davee!

Though your post was fantastic, this project is fast turning out to be something that doesn't look so fantastic in my mind. It really does look sprawly and car centric. Of course I'll bite back on a final verdict til I see it all done, but plenty of parking = no imputus for PT usage.

Thanks for a fantastic update Davee!

Though your post was fantastic, this project is fast turning out to be something that doesn't look so fantastic in my mind. It really does look sprawly and car centric. Of course I'll bite back on a final verdict til I see it all done, but plenty of parking = no imputus for PT usage.

:lol:I'm sure it will look wonderful when done and planted with trees and gardens. I must admitt, it does remind me of Sim City, all the straight roads and "idealistic" planning.

I can imagine it will end up being a kiwi version of Whisteria Lane, with lots of Desperate Housewives...:lol: Perhaps it will make the perfect location for a kiwi soap :)

What are they waiting on to get the houses built?

Thanks for a fantastic update Davee!

Though your post was fantastic, this project is fast turning out to be something that doesn't look so fantastic in my mind. It really does look sprawly and car centric. Of course I'll bite back on a final verdict til I see it all done, but plenty of parking = no imputus for PT usage.

The Only Public Transport you will see in a Development such as this anywhere except for Density Plus developments in Europe or Asia of Course is a Bus Line , say if there was 2000 sections there with an average say 4 People per Household , well I see they are expecting 5000 Residents :nuts:, that wouldn't support anything else .......will be nice to Cycle on those nice flat Paths though :lol: What would you prefer to see there Svartmetall , that was economically Viable ? It will ba a Flat Car Centric Development , but thats why people will move there , as Davee said to play desperate Housewifes :):cheers:

Cars are great. Car-centric developments are therefore great as well. Yay for Pegasus. Looking good.

Thanks for a fantastic update Davee!

Though your post was fantastic, this project is fast turning out to be something that doesn't look so fantastic in my mind. It really does look sprawly and car centric. Of course I'll bite back on a final verdict til I see it all done, but plenty of parking = no imputus for PT usage.

You're sooo fervent :lol:..When I saw the Svartmetall reply name next to the Pegasus thread, I guessed without going on it that you would refer to PT. :lol:

:lol:I'm sure it will look wonderful when done and planted with trees and gardens. I must admitt, it does remind me of Sim City, all the straight roads and "idealistic" planning.

I can imagine it will end up being a kiwi version of Whisteria Lane, with lots of Desperate Housewives...:lol: Perhaps it will make the perfect location for a kiwi soap :)

First up, thanks for the nice reply! At least you didn't take offence to my comment!

The Only Public Transport you will see in a Development such as this anywhere except for Density Plus developments in Europe or Asia of Course is a Bus Line , say if there was 2000 sections there with an average say 4 People per Household , well I see they are expecting 5000 Residents :nuts:, that wouldn't support anything else .......will be nice to Cycle on those nice flat Paths though :lol: What would you prefer to see there Svartmetall , that was economically Viable ? It will ba a Flat Car Centric Development , but thats why people will move there , as Davee said to play desperate Housewifes :):cheers:

You're sooo fervent :lol:..When I saw the Svartmetall reply name next to the Pegasus thread, I guessed without going on it that you would refer to PT. :lol:

Not true. I have two examples of suburbs and "eco-towns" that are being built/have been built elsewhere that would have been a great alternative since we're taking such an aggressive stance against my views.

Firstly, we have Western Otmoor in the UK. (http://www.parkridge.co.uk/category.php?category=6&menuitem=5167) This Ecotown will have rail links to Oxford, Milton Keynes and London as well as light rail links to Oxford with free public transport for the whole of the town.

Next we have the suburb of Vauban in Freiburg. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauban_(Freiburg)) Vauban was built so that there is again a direct tram link to Freiburg itself, all houses were built to be of low energy impact design with 100 being "passive houses" of ultra low energy usage and all have photovoltic cells fitted. 40% of households in the development don't own cars and those that do have to park them all on the outskirts of the town and all roads that are through the suburb have 5km/h speed limits and are shared pedestrian zones. Vauban only has 2000 residents.

It can be done without absolute density and yes, I am a firm believer in sustainable building. We've done wonders with the Auckland University Tamaki campus - a great piece of sustainable building, it just needs a little extra to get houses and the regular person to take up the same design principles.

Also, Pegasus is right near Woodend and Rangiora. It wouldn't be inconceivable to run something that captures all three of those populations to make it more "economically viable". :)

Cars are great. Car-centric developments are therefore great as well. Yay for Pegasus. Looking good.

LA. Nuff said.

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Svartmetall - I agree with your posts 99 times out of a 100 but to think that there would be provison of a tram-link, light rail or even a dedicated bus-way because of this development is pie-in-the-sky.

Firstly there is one tram in Christchurch; it does a loop of the city centre and will possibly be expanded soon to do a.........wait for it......... larger loop of the city centre.

If there was a tram system to be developed for Christchurch locals it would make sense to start providing it to where the most people live; not to a new development about 20 miles away.

Secondly they can't 'tap into' an existing rail system such as the example you cited in the link. There are two passenger trains that leave Christchurch each day and one goes north and the other west. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the 95% of the passengers on these services are tourists; and the service that runs north couldn't stop near pegasus regardless so a branch line would be required and I don't think that the frequency that such a service would bring would be what the locals demanded...

As for a dedicated bus-way; a bus service called the Northern Star or something to that effect has been introduced in the last couple of years that runs up this stretch of road. I believe it is reasonably well patronised but the road that it runs on becomes a single carrigeway contra-flow about 8-10kms before this development. It would therefore be fair to reason that a more pressing concern would be to build a dual-carriage up to this area of development before considering something such as a bus-way.

Non-PT concepts are difficult for someone from Europe to understand. There simply aren't any people around and these things can't become a reality.

Who exactly is going to pay for them? It would make the development completely unviable if it was the developer and user-pays would never ever fund itself.

Even if you had every single man woman and child using such a service it would never be viable economically.

Unfortunately New Zealand does not receive EU subsidies so we can't tap into the revenue from a larger city or country; and the boffins at the treasury or the MED would always advise the government that it has better things to spend its money on than providing public transport solely to 5000 people moronic enough to buy a package house in the middle of nowhere.

Just consider - the south island has pretty much the same landmass as England an Wales combined.

England and Wales is home to 54 million people

The south island has 1 million people

Even living in Auckland (which is by comparison dense and has a reasonable number of satellite towns and cities within about 100kms and is therefore able to support a decent level of public transport provison - even if it doesn't already) it is difficult to comprehend the absolute space and openess that comes with the isolation, and low population density that you find in the south island.

You could draw a 100km circle around Christchurch and encompass maybe 60,000 people a few million sheep and cows all in an area comparable to a small european country....

Any public transport provision ideas that are outside of a city-centre in the south island are simply head in the clouds.

I suggest that you need to visit and see for yourself what americans and aussies quite often refer to as 'big-sky country' and see that the only place in Europe which may be comparable to the south island for sheer nothingness is Lapland...

:cheers:

Spot on Kiwi Rich... Yes, I do agree with you in concept Svartmetall but the actual implementation of such a scheme is the problem. Various reasons mean that it doesn't stack up yet to have PT in Pegasus other than a regular bus service.

First we don't have the economic subsidies as Kiwi Rich pointed out, secondly we lack the overall population base required to make other ideas workable and thirdly the government lacks the political willpower to even consider such things.

On the population base issue, this is the biggest conundrum that many European folk don't quite understand. Yes, you have pointed out two examples where a small town can have PT but are those two examples of a comparable nature to Pegasus?

The reality is that in the vast majority of NZ towns and cities, the private car is the best means of travel. For PT to be a viable contender the factors people will look at are:

1) Cost - It has to be cheaper than their car. With Fuel increasing and other car related costs increasing such as parking in the CBD etc, the tide will eventually turn and PT will be more attractive.

2) Speed - Our roads are simply not congested enough to make PT competitive. Remember we are struggling as a society to maintain our ever increasingly busy lifestyles, so I don't see how people will see that they have time to wait another 5 minutes for a bus etc.

3) Convenience - This is a hybrid of speed, frequency and timing of services. If I need to go to the supermarket that is 10 minutes away by car, I'm not ever going to walk to a bus stop, wait for a bus, get on the bus, change buses etc, and again on the return leg when I can simply get in the car.

In the case of pegasus, the type of people that these sections are aimed at are wealthier folk (the prices of sections in Pegasus are rather expensive IMHO). In Chch at least, wealthy folk aren't the typical profile of person who uses PT. That's not to put a negative stigma on PT, it's just the reality - Most people that use buses in Chch seem to be school kids, elderly, disabled, and tourists - typical groups of people who can't use a car.

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Svartmetall - I agree with your posts 99 times out of a 100 but to think that there would be provison of a tram-link, light rail or even a dedicated bus-way because of this development is pie-in-the-sky.

Firstly there is one tram in Christchurch; it does a loop of the city centre and will possibly be expanded soon to do a.........wait for it......... larger loop of the city centre.

If there was a tram system to be developed for Christchurch locals it would make sense to start providing it to where the most people live; not to a new development about 20 miles away.

Secondly they can't 'tap into' an existing rail system such as the example you cited in the link. There are two passenger trains that leave Christchurch each day and one goes north and the other west. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the 95% of the passengers on these services are tourists; and the service that runs north couldn't stop near pegasus regardless so a branch line would be required and I don't think that the frequency that such a service would bring would be what the locals demanded..

:cheers:

what the bloody hell are you talking about? Christchurch's tram loop and the tranzcoastal express have absolutely NOTHING to do with PT provisions for Pegasus. Your just mentioning anything you can to shoot down logical sensible ideas. You must be cos your talking pure sh.. bollocks. It Makes no sense... it just rubbish...

I must also mention that yes, PT should go where the people are... and one of the country's fastest growing areas is the Waimak which Pegasus is smack bang in the middle of... it is this increasing number of commuters that is putting more and more strain on Christchurch's northern roads and existing PT infrastructure. Most of Christchurch's future growth wil occur in this area (and Selwyn) also. As i will explain below, any PT link to Pegasus would be part of a bigger system dealing wth the Waimak district as a whole. This isnt about JUST a small town (which is actually projecting for a population in excess of 15 000 in the next 10-20 years and will be part of woodend which itself will prob have a similar population... which will be located in between Rang and Kaiapoi which already both roughly exceed 15 000 people and growing)

Having lived and commuted out that way for a year i can say without any doubt that actually having no major PT provision is "pie in the sky". If you bothered to look at my previous post you'll realise that any major PT provisions would take not JUST pegasus into account but infact a much broader population (remember that Woodend is basically part of Pegasus and Rangiora and Kaiapoi are right next door and growing closer every year).

I think also this whole thing on PT and Pegasus is being talked about in the wrong context... in the next 10-20 years it is very likely (whether you actually agree to it or not) some form of commuter rail will be up and running to Rangiora... pegasus is just a few km from the Main North Line... therefore AFTER such a service is established (and its looking very likely in the next 10-20 years) it would follow that a dedicated bus or even rail connection could follow linking Pegasus/woodend to the line. Pie in the sky? no.

Also kaneD... your 3 points just dont make sense (or even happen) in the real world. pegasus isnt entirely aimed at the 'wealthy' and surrouding developments (remember its not just about Pegasus) certainly aren't. I get fed up with pissing about in my car just to get anywhere. I deserve to have some options thanks... and again having lived out that way... id kill to park my car in kaiapoi and catch a train into papanui or the CBD for example... and i know many others would too. to suggest congestion 'isnt that bad' is to turn a blind eye.

I must also mention that yes, PT should go where the people are... and one of the country's fastest growing areas is the Waimak which Pegasus is smack bang in the middle of... it is this increasing number of commuters that is putting more and more strain on Christchurch's northern roads and existing PT infrastructure. Most of Christchurch's future growth wil occur in this area (and Selwyn) also. As i will explain below, any PT link to Pegasus would be part of a bigger system dealing wth the Waimak district as a whole. This isnt about JUST a small town (which is actually projecting for a population in excess of 15 000 in the next 10-20 years and will be part of woodend which itself will prob have a similar population... which will be located in between Rang and Kaiapoi which already both roughly exceed 15 000 people and growing)

Having lived and commuted out that way for a year i can say without any doubt that actually having no major PT provision is "pie in the sky". If you bothered to look at my previous post you'll realise that any major PT provisions would take not JUST pegasus into account but infact a much broader population (remember that Woodend is basically part of Pegasus and Rangiora and Kaiapoi are right next door and growing closer every year).

I think also this whole thing on PT and Pegasus is being talked about in the wrong context... in the next 10-20 years it is very likely (whether you actually agree to it or not) some form of commuter rail will be up and running to Rangiora... pegasus is just a few km from the Main North Line... therefore AFTER such a service is established (and its looking very likely in the next 10-20 years) it would follow that a dedicated bus or even rail connection could follow linking Pegasus/woodend to the line. Pie in the sky? no.

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Sensible, I have been visiting my Family in Rangiora for the past 4 years, and would like to make the following points re; transport in and around Christchurch...........

1) Compared to highways in the UK, your roads are next to deserted, a dream for me after fighting my way around the UK on 6 lane motorways.

2) I agree that the populations in and around Rangi / Kaiapoi / Woodend and Pegasus will increase over the next 10/15 years, but car power will rule for local journeys.

3) I was delighted to find that Rangi was served by rail from Christchurch but amazed that no passenger trains used this line. Ok it may well take 10 or more years to justify the opening up of a commuter service but a park/ride system at Rangi and Kaiapoi could ease pressure on the motorway.

4) The motorway, must be extended north through Woodend to serve Pegasus also ( long term ) a train station at Kaiapoi would be a must to maximise fare income for the rail operator.

5) Even if the population increases as predicted, the bus is the only economical method of providing "public transport" to what will still be rural areas.

^^ agreed car power will rule for local journeys, maybe helped by buses... just seems logical to eventually utilise the rail line (again, it was used once before, abandoned due to decreasing patronage not JUST because of the new motorway but because of the condition of the service... it was crap quality) for those long haul commutes with appropriate transfer stations at various points as you come into chch. Its not hard out stuff and only needs to be thought of within the context of the area.

On another note it seems they are pushing for a different route for the bypass of woodend (going back to the western route option) probably due to the previously favoured route cutting right thru a part of Pegasus. What irks me is that its only going to be 2 lanes... 2 LANES!!! whats with that? It needs to be four, mostly for saftey reasons (and the fact several hundred waste trucks a minute use the road)

see i like roads too...

Commuter rail wouldn't be that expensive to set up, particularly if it only starts with one line. Even if some of Wellington's trains which aren't needed are used initially. While a whole nework would be at least a billion dollars or more to set up, one line surely wouldn't be that big a task. What are the other new housing estates which are springing up alongside Pegasus as this too makes the need of commuter rail more plausible as well.

what the bloody hell are you talking about? Christchurch's tram loop and the tranzcoastal express have absolutely NOTHING to do with PT provisions for Pegasus. Your just mentioning anything you can to shoot down logical sensible ideas. You must be cos your talking pure sh.. bollocks. It Makes no sense... it just rubbish...

I must also mention that yes, PT should go where the people are... and one of the country's fastest growing areas is the Waimak which Pegasus is smack bang in the middle of... it is this increasing number of commuters that is putting more and more strain on Christchurch's northern roads and existing PT infrastructure. Most of Christchurch's future growth wil occur in this area (and Selwyn) also. As i will explain below, any PT link to Pegasus would be part of a bigger system dealing wth the Waimak district as a whole. This isnt about JUST a small town (which is actually projecting for a population in excess of 15 000 in the next 10-20 years and will be part of woodend which itself will prob have a similar population... which will be located in between Rang and Kaiapoi which already both roughly exceed 15 000 people and growing)

Having lived and commuted out that way for a year i can say without any doubt that actually having no major PT provision is "pie in the sky". If you bothered to look at my previous post you'll realise that any major PT provisions would take not JUST pegasus into account but infact a much broader population (remember that Woodend is basically part of Pegasus and Rangiora and Kaiapoi are right next door and growing closer every year).

I think also this whole thing on PT and Pegasus is being talked about in the wrong context... in the next 10-20 years it is very likely (whether you actually agree to it or not) some form of commuter rail will be up and running to Rangiora... pegasus is just a few km from the Main North Line... therefore AFTER such a service is established (and its looking very likely in the next 10-20 years) it would follow that a dedicated bus or even rail connection could follow linking Pegasus/woodend to the line. Pie in the sky? no.

Also kaneD... your 3 points just dont make sense (or even happen) in the real world. pegasus isnt entirely aimed at the 'wealthy' and surrouding developments (remember its not just about Pegasus) certainly aren't. I get fed up with pissing about in my car just to get anywhere. I deserve to have some options thanks... and again having lived out that way... id kill to park my car in kaiapoi and catch a train into papanui or the CBD for example... and i know many others would too. to suggest congestion 'isnt that bad' is to turn a blind eye.

Sensible your comments are anything but - my post was in response to Svartmetall; (I hadn't even looked at yours; hence why my post began - Svartmetall.....etc) I was painting a picture for someone that has never been to Christchurch the extent (i.e. near enough to almost nothing) of our rail-based transport infrastructure. I was inferring through my comments that any PT provision to that part of the world would be expensive and extremely un-economic and therefore unlikely as no-one would be able to pay for it or even subsidise it if they wanted to.

When an argument starts to be made for the long-term ie. 20 years then it begins to become nigh on impossible to predict what will happen and how things will work. Applying concepts that make sense now for that period is very much hit-and-miss, and arguments will perpetually chase their tail as no-one can prove definitively that the other is wrong. It is therefore entirely plausible that in 20 years time PT is far more economic than it is currently for North Canterbury (with its small population and low population density) and it will therefore be provided. But this would mean that in 15 years when this scenario begins to develop this provison would be made (estimating construction and development of 5 years approx)

As a side; I personally haven't owned a car for 3 years. I use PT every day here in England and used it in conjuction with my push-bike at home. My holiday job for my first 2 years at university was driving small trucks then long-haul B-Trains so I like to believe that I have a reasonably well-rounded view through personal experience on the various arguments for and against PT provision versus road-building.

Also by saying things such as -

what the bloody hell are you talking about? Christchurch's tram loop and the tranzcoastal express have absolutely NOTHING to do with PT provisions for Pegasus. Your just mentioning anything you can to shoot down logical sensible ideas. You must be cos your talking pure sh.. bollocks. It Makes no sense... it just rubbish...

Does not help your argument in anyway and makes claims that you are currently undertaking post-graduate study seem laughable

Also kaneD... your 3 points just dont make sense (or even happen) in the real world. pegasus isnt entirely aimed at the 'wealthy' and surrouding developments (remember its not just about Pegasus) certainly aren't. I get fed up with pissing about in my car just to get anywhere. I deserve to have some options thanks... and again having lived out that way... id kill to park my car in kaiapoi and catch a train into papanui or the CBD for example... and i know many others would too. to suggest congestion 'isnt that bad' is to turn a blind eye.

Sorry sensible... I don't say that PT isn't an option for Pegasus... It is an option. Actually, it isn't an option.. its a necessity.

But, once the town is built up, the only service that would be viable given the current cost benefit structure is to simply have a plain old bus service. This would run direct into the city, or run as part of the current "Northern Star" set of bus routes that cover the major commuter towns in the Wiamak district.

Eventually... once a rail service running from Rangiora to Chch is established, a feeder bus service (using normal roadways) would shuttle people to a station in halfway between Kaiapoi and Rangiora which would also be a park and ride station for the rural dwellers and neighboring towns.

a BRANCH railway running direct to Pegasus is just never going to happen. A dedicated BUSWAY (eg: Bus Only Roadway) is NEVER going to happen.

The Pegasus development IS targeted at the more wealthy. The prices of sections are above the average for other Waimak towns and are well above sections is Selwyn towns. (I paid 80k for a 750sqm section in a new development in Rolly at the same time that 550sqm sections in Pegasus were selling at that initial one day auction for $200k. Admittedly some sections have eased in price - but only because the current slowing of the housing market in general.

While the sales fluff on Pegasus' website suggests that it is targeted at average kiwis, the reality is the different. Apart from their higher selling prices, the covenants applicable to the sections in terms of required housing specs, landscaping requirements, and other day to day covenants provide a vastly different picture.

I challenge you to find a land/house package (taking into account the required covenants with regards to landscaping etc) that is cost competitive with minimum requirements of other subdivisions that are aimed at mainstream kiwis in other towns.

The Hot Pools, Lake and Beaches are all under construction. There is plans for building an spa complex as well :banana:

Interesting posts about the transport..............what will the big light rail plan have install for Peggy, Rangi, Woody and Kai??

The Hot Pools, Lake and Beaches are all under construction. There is plans for building an spa complex as well :banana:

Interesting posts about the transport..............what will the big light rail plan have install for Peggy, Rangi, Woody and Kai??

Davee, I would be delighted to see Rangi have a commuter rail link, . Start up costs would be high, track upgrade would be required to accomodate increased line speed and ride comfort, stations with passing loops to be built as this is a single track system.

Commuter rail lines never make money, they are well used for only two short slots in the day , say 6 to 9 in the morning and 4 to 7 in the evening, outside these times 50% of rolling stock will be sitting in a siding.
Why not start the system with DIESEL power, many millons could be shaved off the start up costs.

Davee, I must admit to a sly chuckle:lol: about that poor unfortunate who`s evening return to Rangi takes 45 minutes ,thats a whole 15 minutes longer than his morning trip:ohno: so $250m on a rail system cannot come quick enough for this poor guy:bash:

Are there any plans to improve SH 1, the road from Belfast around to the Airport and beyond should be duel-carrigeway, I am sure that a much improved Christchurch by-pass would also help to reduce congestion.

Davee, I would be delighted to see Rangi have a commuter rail link, . Start up costs would be high, track upgrade would be required to accomodate increased line speed and ride comfort, stations with passing loops to be built as this is a single track system.

Commuter rail lines never make money, they are well used for only two short slots in the day , say 6 to 9 in the morning and 4 to 7 in the evening, outside these times 50% of rolling stock will be sitting in a siding.
Why not start the system with DIESEL power, many millons could be shaved off the start up costs.

Davee, I must admit to a sly chuckle:lol: about that poor unfortunate who`s evening return to Rangi takes 45 minutes ,thats a whole 15 minutes longer than his morning trip:ohno: so $250m on a rail system cannot come quick enough for this poor guy:bash:

Are there any plans to improve SH 1, the road from Belfast around to the Airport and beyond should be duel-carrigeway, I am sure that a much improved Christchurch by-pass would also help to reduce congestion.

:lol::lol::lol:I agree Woody - that poor man, a whole 45 minutes to get to work or get home - whatever - he has such a had life :bash::bash: Don't even get me started on how far you can travel here in 45 minutes :bash::bash::bash:

Anyways, what has been announced today with the rail ideas is a start, so we shall see what is going to happen.

The western by pass around the airport has gone quiet - hopefully they are about to release some fab plan about the magnificant new roading scheme for NW CHC (I'm not holding my breath by the way) :lol:

Sensible your comments are anything but - my post was in response to Svartmetall; (I hadn't even looked at yours; hence why my post began - Svartmetall.....etc) I was painting a picture for someone that has never been to Christchurch the extent (i.e. near enough to almost nothing) of our rail-based transport infrastructure. I was inferring through my comments that any PT provision to that part of the world would be expensive and extremely un-economic and therefore unlikely as no-one would be able to pay for it or even subsidise it if they wanted to.

When an argument starts to be made for the long-term ie. 20 years then it begins to become nigh on impossible to predict what will happen and how things will work. Applying concepts that make sense now for that period is very much hit-and-miss, and arguments will perpetually chase their tail as no-one can prove definitively that the other is wrong. It is therefore entirely plausible that in 20 years time PT is far more economic than it is currently for North Canterbury (with its small population and low population density) and it will therefore be provided. But this would mean that in 15 years when this scenario begins to develop this provison would be made (estimating construction and development of 5 years approx)

As a side; I personally haven't owned a car for 3 years. I use PT every day here in England and used it in conjuction with my push-bike at home. My holiday job for my first 2 years at university was driving small trucks then long-haul B-Trains so I like to believe that I have a reasonably well-rounded view through personal experience on the various arguments for and against PT provision versus road-building.

Also by saying things such as -



Does not help your argument in anyway and makes claims that you are currently undertaking post-graduate study seem laughable

geez mate maybe i got the wrong end of the stick or whatever but, regardless, at least i aint pulling out stupid childish insults like that one.... seriously i have no respect for you at all with that comment... your an idiot. you obviously have no friends.

Are there any plans to improve SH 1, the road from Belfast around to the Airport and beyond should be duel-carrigeway, I am sure that a much improved Christchurch by-pass would also help to reduce congestion.

Transit is upgrading the road to 4 lanes in stages over a period of .........
20 years!:bash::lol:

The Hot Pools, Lake and Beaches are all under construction. There is plans for building an spa complex as well :banana:

Interesting posts about the transport..............what will the big light rail plan have install for Peggy, Rangi, Woody and Kai??

So relaxing :banana::cheers:

Commuter rail lines never make money, they are well used for only two short slots in the day , say 6 to 9 in the morning and 4 to 7 in the evening, outside these times 50% of rolling stock will be sitting in a siding.
Why not start the system with DIESEL power, many millons could be shaved off the start up costs.



thats true... but roads dont make any money either!!!! its always good to just keep things in perspective... if commuter rail is being talked about in Christchurch believe me it aint gonna be the London Underground!!! A rangiora service should start off simple... diesel powered and kept to peak travel supplanted by off peak buses until demand allows for increased frequency. This means purchase of rollingstock would be minimal until the demand rose for new stock to be purchased. therefore not spending $$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$ in a short period and letting most of it sit idle.

anyway i agree with you kaneD a dedicated bus service linking to kaiapoi is all that is needed at peg. The only thing i do have to say though is that Pegasus really is actually Woodend (it is considered so for statistical purposes in the future) and woodend itself has more than just this development going on. any future PT link would take into account not just Pegasus but the whole of woodend so im not too concerned about Pegasus socio economic make up... in anycase peoples attitudes are changing towards climate, sustainability and PT and there are no better 'trend setters' around than those with a bit of dosh ;)

You guys can have our old diesel trains when we eventually electrify our network here in Auckland.

Though you might be waiting a LONG time..... :(

anyway i agree with you kaneD a dedicated bus service linking to kaiapoi is all that is needed at peg. The only thing i do have to say though is that Pegasus really is actually Woodend (it is considered so for statistical purposes in the future) and woodend itself has more than just this development going on. any future PT link would take into account not just Pegasus but the whole of woodend so im not too concerned about Pegasus socio economic make up... in anycase peoples attitudes are changing towards climate, sustainability and PT and there are no better 'trend setters' around than those with a bit of dosh ;)

That is quite right - I think the biggest hurdle will actually breaking the mindset that most people have in Chch about PT. Many still see it as a transport medium for those that can't drive, aren't allowed to drive, or are too poor to drive. It is changing... albeit slowly.

:cheers:

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_04.jpg

:cheers:

http://www.pegasustown.com/images/photos/large/IMG_04.jpg

Looks so Pretty and Green now .....

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Again from The Press on Saturday, it is reported that the first 100 homes in Pegasus will be built by Christmas.

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Published 3 October 2008

Contracts have been let for $14 million of earthworks & infrastructure for 3 new residential stages in the new Pegasus township 25km north of Christchurch.



Hibiscus Coast-based Hick Bros Civil Construction Ltd has been awarded the contract for works on stages 6, 7 & 11 of the new town. The work will see the creation of pre-sold titles in the residential stages.



Pegasus has been designed to become the home for up to 7000 residents. So far, titles have been issued for sections in stages 1, 2 & 3, as well as 60 titles for lots in stages 1, 2 & 3 of Mapleham. Planning or construction is under way for almost a quarter of Pegasus' 274 titled sections, and the first residents moved into the town in mid-September. About 25 houses are under construction or completed, with a further 36 in the planning & consenting stages.



The development, on a 420ha greenfields site bordering Pegasus Bay, is a joint venture between Brookfield Multiplex Constructions (NZ) Ltd & Infinity Investment Group Ltd (Bob Robertson, Wanaka).



It will be the largest fully zoned, integrated town development of its kind in New Zealand. It’s been designed to create a community built on an array of recreational features - a feature lake with filtered swimming bay, restaurants & shopping districts, a beach with dedicated surf club, an 18-hole golfcourse, yacht club, aquatic centre & equestrian centre.



Mr Robertson said yesterday the new stages would significantly extend the town's residential development: "Once this latest contract is completed, over three-quarters of the lots released to date will be completed & titled. We expect to see a real influx of new residents to the town as each of the new stages is completed."



Mr Robertson said that, despite the economic slowdown & uncertainty in global financial markets, sound planning, strong partnerships & a high level of pre-sales had ensured Pegasus remained on track: "With over 90% of released sections sold with revenue of $187 million, and a $151 million facility secured from a first-tier international bank until the end of 2010, Pegasus is fully funded to completion.



"With all our sales & funding targets met, we are able to continue with our development programme as planned and build all the fantastic features we have promised for our new community."



Hick Bros’ South Island regional manager, Brett Downey, said the company had been planning a move into the South Island for some time, before finding the ideal project at Pegasus: "The South Island looks like the right place to be at the moment. There will be a lot of good things - like Pegasus - coming out of here in the next 3-5 years."



The company has started on all 3 of the new Pegasus stages and expects to complete its work by March.



Infinity recently awarded another contract to Hick Bros, a $3.2 million contract to create 67 titles in stage 1 of Riverside Park in Wanaka. In another development, Peninsula Bay, Infinity has awarded a $2.3 million contract to create 42 titles in stage 2 to BG Contracting Ltd (Brian Inwood & Gavin Hayton, Rangiora).

I like the master-planned aspect of Pegasus. However, I'm not so keen on its "Gated Community" feel, and how it'll be so auto-dependent and sprawl-encouraging.

^^ Yep, exactly what we were discussion quite a few pages back. It got a little heated. ;)

I don't think that Pegasus will ever be completed I'm afraid. Infact I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers?

I don't think that Pegasus will ever be completed I'm afraid. Infact I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers?

you say that as if its got problems? I dont actually get what your saying there... are you saying that eventually it may not have all its stages built? They have already begun the big lake and awesome 'town centre' so (the most essential parts of the development) and houses are near completion in some areas... with that in mind if they dont develop all stages now they prob will sit on it for a few years until the market recovers and they can get more $$$ for it. So im willing to bet that eventually, it will be completed.

Still dont quite get what your saying though...

^^
At the risk of boring everyone to death I'll explain. The explanation involves a stock take of global energy reserves. It's not really going off topic as it effects every single project we discuss
Here it is. Worldwide oil reserves are at this moment more or less at their top point of production and we are sitting on the plateau. Yearly oil production will never again be more than it is now. We are seeing the predicted price swings and economic instability associated with the plateau period now.
This means that within a few years the extraction volume will start to fall. This will be a relentless decline which will continue during the next 50 to 80 years. At the moment that oil extraction starts to decline economies dependent on oil (thus everyone) will go into decline.
One must remember that NZ would be very vulnerable in a competative world market for oil and that NZ may find it's self being out-bid and as a result shipments of oil may simply not arrive after a time.
The time scale for the onset of economic decline is a decades long process with it's starting point about now.
Pegasus being a car dependant township will lose it's appeal very quickly as the downturn sets in. The plan looks great and if it had been started 10 years ago then Pegasus would have had the chance to evolve into a local economic entity of it's own. As it is, it is a giant lifestyle block for ChCh commuters which is it's doom unfortunately.

I know I'm a stuck record and a party pooper but that's my take on it. And to be honest I'm not seeing anything that would indicate the contrary.

I think what kaas means is that such an auto-dependent town might not be viable in the longer-term future.

^^
actually quite short term. But in a nut shell, yes

^^Kaas...................................don't be naughty and upsetting people now!! You know how Cantabrians get upset when the red and black world get's..........let's say..........ruffled by comments like yours:lol:

I bet you're wrong.

It's going to be a raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaging success and everyone will want to live there. In fact I'm betting Pegasus is going to be the first part of the new Waimakariri City. Pegasus, Rangiora, Woodend and Kaiapoi are all going to globuate into one another and become what the North Shore City is to Auckland City and eventuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuallly Greater Christchurch is going to make Greater Auckland look like a outback hicksville swamp town in some backwards part of the Mississippi Delta.

So there!:baeh3:

^^
how could I even contemplate going against that.

I must be off my rocker :lol:

big hug back dear fellow

^^
how could I even contemplate going against that.

I must be off my rocker :lol:

big hug back dear fellow

:hug:

KAAS i get what your saying now... im a tad more optimistic but we are running down the same road...

^^
I do get a bit doomy about this subject I'm afraid. I used to hold the cornucopian view that given the impetus that new fuels would be developed to offset the inevitable drop in supply. However since I've really delved into the subject I have experienced a bit of a rude awakening (or hopefully just paranoid delusion).

Different fuel technologies might help, but it seems like we're 10-20 years behind where we need to be in that regards. Personally, I think that cars ruin our cities so much that I don't actually want there to be a magic solution in improved fuel technologies.

Pegasus does seem to be slowing down somewhat from it's original plan. Certainly this is more immediately likely due to the increased cost of living, depressed housing market, and the flow on from the financial woes in the US.

But like most aspects of the economy, they run in cycles, and I'm picking that in another year or two, things will pick up again.

The question that begs is that how low this phase of the economic cycle will go? Typically they are fairly minor and don't last very long. The recession in 1999 stemming probably from the Asian Financial Crisis was generally rather subtle and short-lived.

The SARS outbreak/BirdFlu/Iraqi War didn't have much if any effect on our economy - and some would argue it boosted it.

So this economic cycle will be no different to any other - though it might be more severe than the others in recent history, and perhaps last a bit longer. But we will turn it around.

Of course, where Kaas and Sensible are completely right is that some of this economic downturn has likely stemmed from the problems in the oil industry and the fact that by and large, most governments don't seem to be taking the whole Peak Oil issue as seriously as they should - and so I suspect these economic downturns of the future are going to become more frequent, and more severe over the coming couple of decades as the declining output of oil hits home.

So maybe mankind's future ability to avoid these ever increasing economic downturns is tied up with how long it takes us to develop "oil-free" technology to replace traditional oils.

Different fuel technologies might help, but it seems like we're 10-20 years behind where we need to be in that regards. Personally, I think that cars ruin our cities so much that I don't actually want there to be a magic solution in improved fuel technologies.

Oil is not just cars Jarbury. It's everything you and I have grown up with. It's the trade sector, the agricultural sector, pharmaceuticals, technological inovation, electricity generation, construction, mining, manifacturing, travel, tourism........ etc,etc...to education, healthcare, political structure, banking, welfare, demographics, social structure, ....
A severe energy crisis is a crisis in all the above sectors. Next to oil, natural gas is the other non-renewable that is peaking too.

Pegasus does seem to be slowing down somewhat from it's original plan. Certainly this is more immediately likely due to the increased cost of living, depressed housing market, and the flow on from the financial woes in the US.

But like most aspects of the economy, they run in cycles, and I'm picking that in another year or two, things will pick up again.

The question that begs is that how low this phase of the economic cycle will go? Typically they are fairly minor and don't last very long. The recession in 1999 stemming probably from the Asian Financial Crisis was generally rather subtle and short-lived.

The SARS outbreak/BirdFlu/Iraqi War didn't have much if any effect on our economy - and some would argue it boosted it.

So this economic cycle will be no different to any other - though it might be more severe than the others in recent history, and perhaps last a bit longer. But we will turn it around.

Of course, where Kaas and Sensible are completely right is that some of this economic downturn has likely stemmed from the problems in the oil industry and the fact that by and large, most governments don't seem to be taking the whole Peak Oil issue as seriously as they should - and so I suspect these economic downturns of the future are going to become more frequent, and more severe over the coming couple of decades as the declining output of oil hits home.

So maybe mankind's future ability to avoid these ever increasing economic downturns is tied up with how long it takes us to develop "oil-free" technology to replace traditional oils.

It will be interesting to see if this is another cycle.
The conditions being faced now are unique in history (with the exception of the demise of civilisations that is) therefore far from ordinary.

Oil is not just cars Jarbury. It's everything you and I have grown up with. It's the trade sector, the agricultural sector, pharmaceuticals, technological inovation, electricity generation, construction, mining, manifacturing, travel, tourism........ etc,etc...to education, healthcare, political structure, banking, welfare, demographics, social structure, ....
A severe energy crisis is a crisis in all the above sectors. Next to oil, natural gas is the other non-renewable that is peaking too.
Yeah but there is masses of oil out there, the only problem is that it's prohibitively expensive to extract most of it. Prohibitive for it to be used in the quantities it gets burned for petrol use, but probably not for use in making plastic and other stuff. Sure things will get more expensive, but in the end is dirt-cheap plastic really a positive?

Sure things will get more expensive, but in the end is dirt-cheap plastic really a positive?

No, it isn't. I'll be happy when we get to the day when company's are mining landfills for plastics because it's so valuable. I was watching 'Long way Down' on national geographic channel last night and they were driving through Libya on their motorbikes with the countryside covered in plastic bags. Just like Paul Holmes noticed in Yemen on his intrepid journey.

There will be lot's of un-thought of consequences of peak oil. Many of them positive. No car-dependent towns, and less litter, valuable waste = recycling.

I was reading that mining of landfills in japan is now big business. This was for the precious metals that are discarded in electronics that the Japanese upgrade/turnover at the highest rate in the world.

BTW, I agree that Pegasus will be a disaster of planning that will struggle when oil goes back up to $140 a barrell.

Yeah but there is masses of oil out there, the only problem is that it's prohibitively expensive to extract most of it. Prohibitive for it to be used in the quantities it gets burned for petrol use, but probably not for use in making plastic and other stuff. Sure things will get more expensive, but in the end is dirt-cheap plastic really a positive?

Plastic!? You mean this concern about oil supply boils down to how much Tupperware we can buy? Oh good, now I'll sleep a little better. Thanks

I know oil is used for far more than just the manufacturing of plastic. I guess I'm just trying to look at the silver lining of the cloud. There are lots of negative consequences of cheap oil, and although the transition away from and oil-dependent lifestyle and economy will be tough, I think that in the end we'll be better off because of it.

^^
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Many indicators are pointing to a meltdown, others are fantasising about magical leaps in technology and 99% are totally unaware that anything is wrong outside the relm of ''the normal economic cycle''.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/nzi-business-july-20-canterbury-s-new-town-track-3-44-2852776

All looking good :banana:

http://www.pegasustown.com/

It's full of brilliant updates, videos etc, etc............I'm almost tempted to say I wouldn't mind liv...........................................:nuts::lol:

Nice one Davee.

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New town home sales turn a corner :cheers:
By GREG NINNESS - Sunday Star Times Last updated 05:00 22/11/2009SharePrint Text Size Photo: The PressBob the builder: Bob Robertson, above, says Pegasus sales suffered over the past year but are back on track. .Relevant offers
FEW PROPERTY developers would have been as pleased to see the recent upturn in the housing market as Infinity Group's Bob Robertson.

Robertson is overseeing the development of Pegasus, a new town slowly taking shape on the shores of Pegasus Bay, just north of Christchurch.

The project is being jointly developed by Robertson's Wanaka-based Infinity Group and Australian property developer Brookfield Multiplex, with funds provided by beleaguered financier Bank of Scotland International.

If all goes to plan, Pegasus will comprise 1950 new homes and a bustling town centre. The golf course, beach-fringed lake and most major earthworks are near completion and houses are popping up around newly formed streets.

But the recession has taken its toll on the project. For six months from late last year, sales of sections virtually ground to a halt, Robertson said. And, to make matters worse, some people who had already bought sections started trying to resell them rather than build.

Inevitably, those sections coming up for resale were offered at lower prices – most at a 15% discount but some at up to 20% – than those still being marketed by the development company. And that caused some who had signed conditional contracts for sections to try to wriggle out of them.

In May Robertson told The Press that 451 section sales had settled and titles had been issued to new owners. By last week that number had climbed to just 489, so it has been a slow, hard slog.

Perhaps remarkably through that period, Bank of Scotland kept the money supply flowing, allowing development work to continue.

However there were some budget cuts. The biggest was the decision to delay development of the town's commercial centre for two years.

As an interim measure, Robertson put Infinity's money into building and operating a large general store which opened last week. At 500m2 he described it as being bigger than a Four Square and smaller than a supermarket. A cafe and bar will also open shortly.

Until the planned town centre gets under way, those facilities would provide basic services to new residents.

However Robertson is confident that the development has now turned the corner as the resurgent housing market revitalises buyer interest.

The decision to keep developing through the recession was the right one, Robertson said, because it's given potential buyers confidence that the project will be finished.

Ad Feedback The discounting of resale properties had stopped and those that had already bought sections were proceeding with plans to build, he said. "We aren't getting many defaults either, it's probably only about 4% [of sales]," he said.

Encouraged by rising house prices, potential buyers who might have been delaying a decision are now starting to sign contracts. "From late last year until last April we had a lot of people walking in and kicking tyres but not buying. Over the past few months we've seen a lot of the same faces coming back and they are choosing their section and signing contracts. We are starting to make reasonably good sales every week, whereas we did virtually nothing for six months."

Even so, the company settled about $100m of sales over the last 18 months. The fact that was achieved during the depths of recession gives Robertson confidence that Pegasus is now on track to achieve $160m of settled sales by the end of March. That will coincide with a sharp decline in costs as most of the major development work is finished, which should keep the Bank of Scotland happy.

"We survived the downturn pretty well. I've got say I think Pegasus may be the best loan they have on their books and, if it's not, it would be one of the best. So we have a very good relationship.":banana:

The new General Store at Pegasus, North Canterbury’s newest town, will open its doors for business officially for the first time today after a short trial opening over the weekend. The Pegasus General Store is an extensive building that has been designed to meet all the daily needs of the community, providing everything from a wide range of fresh food and
grocery items to hardware and stationery. Pegasus managing director Bob Robertson says the General Store has been developed based on the traditional notion of a general store.

“The General Store combines convenience, range, value for money and old-fashioned service. Like the town itself, our approach has been to create a real community feel.”

“With literally thousands of items to choose from, and providing everything from groceries to hardware, the opening of the General Store means our growing local community won’t need to go out of town to get the things they need, and visitors will find everything they need to enjoy a great day out.”

The Pegasus General Store is the first store open for business in the new architect-designed Convenience Centre – the first commercial building to be created in Pegasus. The complex will be a strong draw for visitors and residents alike, says Bob Robertson.

“The Pegasus Convenience Centre is ideally located on a high-profile corner on the main boulevard into town, close to the school, town centre and residential areas, so it will only be a short walk away for many residents.”

“And with the new Flat White Café and Bar soon to open – including a coffee roastery – the complex is likely to become a popular meeting place for locals, and a social hub for neighbouring communities.”

In addition to the Pegasus General Store and Flat White Café and Bar, the Pegasus Convenience Centre will also include additional retail and commercial office space when completed. The Pegasus Convenience Centre is one of a number of key attractions scheduled for completion over the coming weeks, including the Pegasus Golf Course – the new home of the New Zealand Women’s Open – with driving range, a pro shop, and the Bunker Café and Bar.

The town’s feature lake with 11 sandy and pebbled beaches, a lakeside lagoon, extensive restored wetlands, and beach access road and car park will also all be open by December.

“There are a number of exciting developments taking place this summer at Pegasus,” says Bob Robertson.

“With the opening of each new attraction, our vision of creating a seaside resort town where residents can live where they play, is one step closer to reality.”

“And with increased interest from local people keen to experience the Pegasus lifestyle, and a large number of on-site contractors ensuring construction is progressing to schedule, the town is abuzz with activity – which is good news for business at the Pegasus General Store.”

Just dropped by to Pegasus while on the way back from the West Coast.

Yes... The lakeside area is looking rather nice with all it's artificial waterworks pretty much in place. The only commercial property operating is the General Store, which is built and looks like an older style building. It has a grocery shop and a cafe. The nearby Mapleham golf course has a bar/cafe too.

I hope the waterside apartments and other medium density living areas come to fruition and that the towns relative 'self sufficient' blueprint all works. It will make Pegasus light years ahead of Rolleston and other poorly planned 'sprawl' in and around Chch.

Just dropped by to Pegasus while on the way back from the West Coast.

Yes... The lakeside area is looking rather nice with all it's artificial waterworks pretty much in place. The only commercial property operating is the General Store, which is built and looks like an older style building. It has a grocery shop and a cafe. The nearby Mapleham golf course has a bar/cafe too.

I hope the waterside apartments and other medium density living areas come to fruition and that the towns relative 'self sufficient' blueprint all works. It will make Pegasus light years ahead of Rolleston and other poorly planned 'sprawl' in and around Chch.

Two years back when I last had a look at Pegasus, it consisted of roads and dust, now its is an oasis of green around a very impressive lake, with a few homes dotted around the lake.......

We were invited to a party, so I had a drive around, plenty of plots ( oops sections), with only a few being built, so the completed development looks a good few years away..........

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The start of the Town Centre.................

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The Lake complete with footbridge,waterfalls and sandy beach..............

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Not much luck (again) with the weather, cloudy and overcast, but I will get back to Pegasus when the sun comes out:nuts:

Someone's probably made this comment before, hell maybe I have: Does Pegasus remind anyone of that utopian town on the Simpson's that Homer moved the family to? The episode where he worked for Hank Scorpio.

I wished the used trendy signage rather than making it look like an old American gold mining town..

I wished the used trendy signage rather than making it look like an old American gold mining town..

Main Street in DISNEY LAND:banana: I was expecting to meet Mickey and Pluto serving in the General Store......

Main Street in DISNEY LAND:banana: I was expecting to meet Mickey and Pluto serving in the General Store......

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Main Street in DISNEY LAND:banana: I was expecting to meet Mickey and Pluto serving in the General Store......

Sure, the building might not be to everyone's taste, but at least the building was designed and built with some kind of theme in mind which is a far cry from the bland concrete tilt-slab box with glass verandah overhang like so many other small scale retail developments in and around Chch over the recent decade.

The good thing with the whole Pegasus development really is that the whole town is focussing on quality rather than playing to the lowest common denominator and doing everything on the cheap all the time - an all to common problem with many developments around NZ.

Sure, the building might not be to everyone's taste, but at least the building was designed and built with some kind of theme in mind which is a far cry from the bland concrete tilt-slab box with glass verandah overhang like so many other small scale retail developments in and around Chch over the recent decade.

The good thing with the whole Pegasus development really is that the whole town is focussing on quality rather than playing to the lowest common denominator and doing everything on the cheap all the time - an all to common problem with many developments around NZ.

KaneD, my Disneyland comment was not meant to be a criticism , the architecture just reminded me of Disney. I do like the very colourful ,individual design of these initial " town centre" buildings . I agree with your "focus on quality" comment, this is very apparent around the Lake, no cutting corners here, interesting footbridge with a variety of waters edge finish's,...stone, sandy beach's, waterfalls, grass, moorings etc.

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Even the main access road is much more inviting, now that the golf course and club house are completed ( sorry no pics yet), all it needs are a couple of hundred homes springing up and it will all look very impressive .

Looks like some of the Senior / Adult living Communities here , I like the style. Yes It does look like that Simpsons Episode , there are more and more of these popping up around my state but with a more Urban type look. I call them City's within a City.

looks like the outer suburbs of every Australian city. Yucksville.

Even the main access road is much more inviting, now that the golf course and club house are completed ( sorry no pics yet), all it needs are a couple of hundred homes springing up and it will all look very impressive .

Had a quick return visit to Pegasus, few pics of the entrance/golf club.......

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Hong Kong buyers of a "dream" section in Canterbury's new Pegasus Town near Woodend were deliberately misled by the developer over an intended state highway bypass, a court has ruled.

Pegasus Town Ltd has been ordered to pay Andrew Roger Draper and Chiang Chun Chin, of Hong Kong, $86,250 with interest and costs on a summary judgment application.

Justice French, in a judgment delivered last week in the High Court at Christchurch, said the facts of the case were so clear-cut she could rule Pegasus did not have a tenable case.

She was particularly influenced, she said, by the fact that the misrepresentation was deliberate and negligent and the buyers, living in Hong Kong, were heavily dependent on Pegasus for information.

In April, 2007, Draper and Chin bought a $575,000 section next to the Mapleham Golf Course on the development after attending an exhibition in Hong Kong. They wanted a quiet section on which they intended to build their "dream retirement home" and paid a deposit of $86,250.

Agents for Pegasus in Hong Kong told them no "proposals" existed, to their knowledge, which might have an impact on the proposed development.

At the time the development company knew Transit New Zealand was consulting on options for State Highway 1 to bypass the settlement of Woodend. One option, now "off the table", was a long eastern bypass of Woodend which would bisect Pegasus Town and the Mapleham Golf Course. The bypass, as proposed, would have passed within 50m of the front boundary of the property.

Another option, a short eastern bypass of Woodend, would take traffic within 500m of their rear boundary.

The buyers, who believed both options destroyed adjacent parkland and the peace of their property, cancelled the contract on the basis the section had been misrepresented and sought the return of their deposit.

Pegasus argued the eastern bypasses were only ever a possibility and now the long eastern bypass was off the table, the buyers had suffered no loss. Whether the buyers had suffered a substantial loss required valuation evidence which had not been provided to the court.

A decade-long debate over the Woodend bypass ended in 2008 with the Waimakariri District Council agreeing to a short eastern bypass. It could be 15 years before work begins.

Lawyer for Pegasus, Dale Lester, said yesterday that the decision would be appealed on a variety of grounds. The company would make a further statement next week, he said.

^^ once again, unscrupulous real estate vendors give themselves a bad reputation in their attempt to make a quick buck.

looks like the outer suburbs of every Australian city. Yucksville.

This looks absolutely ghastly - and those shops look so tacky I can't believe they're building this garbage - this is just the sort of crap ChCh doesn't need. Guess it fits in nicely with the spend up on highways in the city and the cuts to walking and cycling.

A Maori pa discovered in a North Canterbury township is being considered for wahi tapu (sacred site) status by the New Zealand Historic Places Trust.

The pa, named Te Kohanga o Kaikai-a-Waro after a historical name for the area, was uncovered during earthworks at the Pegasus Town subdivision in 2007.

Pegasus Town cultural adviser Te Marino Lenihan, who liaised with the property developers, Ngai Tahu iwi and Ngai Tuahuriri hapu regarding the site, said the pa was an important part of New Zealand's heritage.

Lenihan said the pa was believed to be at least 500 years old, which was "well before" their Ngai Tahu ancestors arrived in the region.

Important artefacts, including hunting weapons, had been discovered at the site, with some sent to Auckland for preservation and conservation.

Lenihan said the pa sat within a wider landscape of cultural significance, with the nearby Kaiapoi pa once serving as the political and economic stronghold of Ngai Tahu.

The property developers had redesigned the nearby golf course to preserve the site.

The palisade fence by the pa has been partly reconstructed.

Historic Places Trust Maori heritage adviser Helen Brown said the pa was part of a "hugely significant cultural landscape" in the Pegasus area. Brown said the public could make submissions until June 11. A decision would be made on June 24.

Absolutely Horrid.

Absolutely Horrid.

? - What's horrid - Pegasus or the Sacred Site?

never understood what the attraction is with this place, its a flat featureless place with architecture to suit it would seem.. not sure about the high end comments here, whilst I can see money has been spent on the lake/bridge etc, the shops are anything but cutting edge...

that being said it aint my money, and I wont be living there, and dont need to drive through the place so it matters not what I think..

I'm glad that the property developers here developed this properly, as opposed to something like Rolleston. You must remember that these places always look a bit fake when first completed because everything is new, ie when the trees mature, and the paint fades abit, and modifications to houses are made the whole place will look a lot better.

I think the attraction is that it is the only place near chch where you can get reasonably cheap sections, close to shops ect. And the lake/beach/walkways/golf course only help as well

^^ Agreed frew... most new developments look a bit on the dull and fake to start with, but yes, over time, once they are fully developed and the trees have matured, then yes, it starts looking reasonably good.

But speaking of trees etc... that is one thing that most new NZ subdivisions lack... trees. You can drive through endless subdivisions and there are very few trees. This is unlike Australia where they have strict development laws preventing wholesale chopping of trees when new subdivisions are built.

^^ Agreed frew... most new developments look a bit on the dull and fake to start with, but yes, over time, once they are fully developed and the trees have matured, then yes, it starts looking reasonably good.

But speaking of trees etc... that is one thing that most new NZ subdivisions lack... trees. You can drive through endless subdivisions and there are very few trees. This is unlike Australia where they have strict development laws preventing wholesale chopping of trees when new subdivisions are built.

Its early days yet, but should Pegasus develop as the model, there will be trees a plenty.........

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Cinemas, shopping malls, business parks! Geez, welcome to what Springfield is to Brisbane!!

Thanks Woody........the models certainly help keep in focus what Pegasus will become. I'm surprised that Rolleston has not come up with some sort of dynamic plan like this to further stimulate the fast growing population to the south of CHC.

Will the beach be in much use other than a few months of summer?

Thanks Woody........the models certainly help keep in focus what Pegasus will become. I'm surprised that Rolleston has not come up with some sort of dynamic plan like this to further stimulate the fast growing population to the south of CHC.

They have - it's not quite the 'blueprint pre-planned' town that Pegasus is, but the Selwyn DC has created a blueprint for how Rolly might look in 30 years time when it's population is expected to be around 50,000.

http://www.selwyn.govt.nz/services/planning/plan-changes/rolleston-structure-plan/rolleston-structure-plan

Thanks for that KD - I've just spent the best part of the evening reading parts of that - very, very exciting and it looks well researched and planned. It's increadable to think that they are planning a small city of 50,000................watch this space!

The Press

Pegasus Town's original plans to complete a $239 million retail and entertainment lakefront "town precinct" have been scrapped after financial backers pulled out.

Key developer Bob Robertson said the financial crisis and associated recession in New Zealand put paid to some of the Pegasus Town projects, at least in the short term.

His company Infinity Investment Group would take a more piecemeal approach to the retail and entertainment development, given the difficult funding environment.

"[With] the town centre precinct, before the downturn, we had a company that was going to buy all of that ... a $239m contract," Robertson said. "But unfortunately the recession turned that away, so we're prepared to do it a little bit more piecemeal."

The contract would have seen Infinity as the developer of the town precinct, backed by a $239m "European fund". The precinct was to be based around waterfront food, entertainment and accommodation facilities to encourage visitors into the township, Robertson said. The $239m total would have also funded a 150-room hotel.

A separate plan to sell land to an Australian developer to build a large hotel also failed because of the recession.

Infinity and its development partners have funding from BOS International, part of Lloyds Banking Group, in the form of a $151m rolling credit facility until December.

Robertson said the developers had sold about 800 lots with 686 settled. Three years into the project there had been more than $160m of residential sales, with $151m of settlements and a relatively low delinquency rate on those of 2.81 per cent.

The residential infill rate would see more than 200 homes completed or under construction by December, leading to a population of around 500, then 2000 by the end of 2011.

Robertson said Pegasus plans were for an entertainment/retail heart for the 420-hectare site, which had a convenience centre and cafe/bar already completed. There were 107 retail outlets or service centres planned. However, plans had generally been scaled back given a tougher funding environment.

Infinity had been in talks with two parties relating to the hoped start of a supermarket chain outlet by year's end, and would itself add a separate retail "strip mall".

Lincoln University property lecturer John McDonagh said the number of large-scale developments proposed or under way around Christchurch, including Marshlands, Wigram and Lincoln, and continuing sales still surprised him.

In terms of retail development it was a chicken and egg situation, he said. "You have to have enough people there to make the retail work, but without the retail maybe it slows down the sales."

Robertson said the construction of a pavilion restaurant out over the water and including bars and cafes was due to be "hopefully" started by the end of 2010, and a start to a yacht club had been made.

There was also a nearby heated swimming bay (using a heatpump exchange system) and mineral hot pools in a rock environment to be developed in 2011.

A surf lifesaving facility was planned for the beach by the end of 2011.

Last summer, on good days, there had been up to 2000 people enjoying the lake and surrounds, he said.

With the building of extra facilities Robertson expected Pegasus to attract up to 4000 visitors a day.

^^ Though I am not a fan of Pegasus, I reckon that proper, planned development is much better for the settlement than piecemeal development that will occur now that financial backers have moved out. :(

Jesus, I'd imagine one of the main draw cards for buying property out there was the self contained town theme.

The Press

Pegasus Town developers say a $239 million lakefront retail and entertainment precinct has not been scrapped, despite the loss of financial backing.

The precinct was to be backed by a $239m "European fund" based on waterfront food, entertainment and accommodation facilities to encourage visitors to the township.

Developer Bob Robertson, of Infinity Investment Group, said yesterday that the backing had been lost because of the recession, but the entire project would proceed.

"We haven't cancelled the project; we've just had the funding knocked out," he said. "That will have a slight delay of about a year."

The swimming bay, hot pools and restaurant would be the first "cabs off the rank", Roberston said, while the hotel and lakefront apartments would have been delayed regardless because of demand.

Robertson said without the European fund the developers would now "fall back to a general pre-sales model and investor model".

"There's no point bringing in an investor to do that until it's viable," he said.

Pegasus residents spoken to yesterday had mixed views on the delays.

Steve Fleet said he expected more services would be built when he moved to Pegasus last September.

"That's why we moved here, thinking there was going to be a whole new town and that we wouldn't have to keep going into Rangiora or Christchurch," he said.

The lack of a school was more of a concern than delays to the lakefront town precinct, Fleet said.

His family still enjoyed living in the town and there was no thought of moving.

"The kids love it. They just wander around and do their own thing, so they're enjoying it still," he said. "It is quite nice with it being quiet."

Christine Johnston, a resident for 14 months, said she accepted the recession's impact on the project. "It's still going ahead; it's just going to be slower," she said.

"We know there's nothing [Infinity] can do about it. It's just a waiting game."

Angela Lamont, a 14-month resident, said she was unaware the developments had been delayed.

"Their timeline a while ago had some of that development around the lake – I'm not sure exactly what – happening by Christmas this year, but there's been nothing started," she said.

"They had a pretty strong plan in place as to what would happen and when, and I guess they haven't been very good at communicating that lately," Lamont said.

It is a little concerning that a lot of people who bought into it are having services delayed. I guess that is a problem with relying upon the private sector to provide funding for such a venture - things can go belly-up quite quickly. Here's hoping it sorts itself out.

I'm sure it will. Pegasus is to close to CHC to go belly up, it's a new suburban area for Greater CHC and the developers won't let if fail.

Look at it in regards to where Rangiora, Kaiapoi and Woodend are - it's forming a new urban area that is like a small city within itself. Once the finacial worries of the world sort themselves out - development will pick up speed again, as it will everywhere else.

Hehehe - remember Rome wasn't built in a day ;)

The Press

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Pegasus town developer Bob Robertson says the funding of a central precinct entertainment and retail complex will hopefully be done with the help of corporate "backers".

Robertson is looking for these new investors after a "European fund" backing the development with $239 million had pulled out during the downturn that was part of the global financial crisis.

That fund had been a "bonus" when it became part of the project, and its subsequent withdrawal had not changed his vision for a subdivision with a substantial town centre, Robertson said.

Corporate investors were being targeted for the building of the precinct.

One of the first new projects would be the development of a "1920s" pavilion, a heated swimming bay taking paying customers and nearby hot pools.

The "fully engineered" project would cost $12m with the pavilion - containing three restaurants and three bars - taking $3.5m of that total. The restaurants and bars would be "pre-leased", helping his company Infinity Investment Group to get the backing of a corporate investor to fund the build, he said.

"It's quite an expensive building to be built. To get that to be a [visitor] destination we need to get that sort of pavilion out on the water." The swimming bay and hot pools would be funded by a similar process or possibly with backing from an existing funder, BOS International.

"I'm very convinced we will be through that process for the swimming bay, hot pools and the pavilion restaurant by December, and should be able to start construction in January," Robertson said.

Infinity would manage the pools and the pavilion and at some point look to exit the investment at the right price. It had found someone to operate the pool complex.

He would carry on funding the projects with the help of individual and corporate investors.

Another part of the town precinct would be a "yacht club" complex with units as part of an eventual $100m complex.

The first part of this four-part development would be built for around $10m and include a restaurant, cafe and a pub.

Units would be above the retail development and Infinity had already sold two of eight units with a title, including the most expensive at $1.7m.

When the total project was completed, about 50 units would surround the yacht club and an associated hotel.

The Ministry of Education had bought a site for stage one of a primary, intermediate and preschool development with funding likely to come in the department's June 2011 budget.

"They have given us an undertaking that they would build it once we met a threshold. We have met that threshold already."

Waikuku school pupils and staff would move to Pegasus as part of those plans.

No damage at Pegasus from earthquake

Pegasus has not sustained any damage as a result of the devastating Christchurch earthquake. While everyone living at Pegasus experienced the severe earthquake, there appears to be no structural damage at all. We have inspected the lake, all sections, roads, sewerage and water pipes, bridges, the golf course and pro shop building and all are unaffected. We have spoken to many of the residents and they are also all pleased to report no structural damage.

Pegasus made a significant investment in ground improvement specifically for earthquake protection prior to any infrastructure development and this has now paid dividends for lot owners.

All infrastructure is intact. Pegasus has a self-contained water treatment facility that is operating as normal with clean drinking water and waste water systems are also operating as normal.

While we're fortunate not to have suffered any real damage at Pegasus there are many people who have been far less fortunate within the Canterbury region and our thoughts are with those who have been affected. We wish all Christchurch and Canterbury residents the very best with rebuilding their homes and businesses and getting their lives back to normal as quickly as possible.

Why did Pegasus escape damage in the Christchurch earthquake when neighbouring communities suffered such extensive damage?

Prior to commencing development of the town, Pegasus commissioned extensive geological and geotechnical investigations of the site, including evaluation of the risk of liquefaction following a large seismic event. The results of these studies and previous earthquake hazard research were incorporated into the analyses, and design criteria for liquefaction mitigation at Pegasus.

As a result of recommendations made by the project engineers, Pegasus carried out the following processes which, combined, have assisted Pegasus to withstand the earthquake effects.

1. Vibrocompaction

Pegasus brought out specialised equipment from Dubai to improve the site by using vibrocompaction of the subsoils to help densify them and reduce the risk of liquefaction occurring.

The significant investment Pegasus made in this technology in the early stages of the development has proved to be money well spent for owners at Pegasus and has reduced the risk of liquefaction damage to a much lower level than exists for many other subdivisions founded on similar soils in the eastern Waimakariri District and Christchurch.

Vibrocompaction (or “vibroflotation”) is a ground improvement process for densifying loose sands to create stable foundation soils. The principle behind vibrocompaction is simple. The combined action of vibration and water saturation by jetting rearranges loose sand grains into a more compact state. The densified soil is capable of higher bearing capacity, settlement is reduced and the risk of liquefaction in an earthquake situation is also drastically reduced.

Vibrocompaction is performed with specially-designed vibrating probes. The probe is first inserted into the ground by both jetting and vibration. After the probe reaches the required depth of compaction, granular material, usually sand, is added from the ground surface to fill the void space created by the vibrator. A compacted radial zone of granular material is created.

2. Vibrocompacted Fill

In the cut and fill process for bulk earthworks at Pegasus most of the built up area for sections and roads was re-compacted using vibro-roller techniques in line with standard compaction. This was done to improve the stability and reduce the risk of liquefaction as determined by the Pegasus engineers.

3. Subsoil Drainage Network

An extensive network of subsoil drainage and effective surface drainage using Aquacell and other innovative drainage techniques has greatly assisted the stability of the soils across the development. This drainage system has enabled the subsoil to be properly drained during the very wet conditions over the last six months (known to be the wettest conditions since the 1930s).

Much of the soil across North Canterbury has been saturated which has compounded the risk of liquefaction, lateral spread and settlement following the large magnitude 7.1 earthquake. At Pegasus the well drained subsurface subsoils of vibrocompacted fill and specialised vibroflotation techniques used have enabled Pegasus to completely withstand these strong earthquakes and resulting liquefaction, lateral spread and settlement experienced in the surrounding districts.

Looks like it will be a great little place when it's completed!!! Glad it wasn't damaged in the quake.

Anyone know how this coped during the recent earthquake?

I would imagine pretty well. it is quite far north, further north than Kaiapoi, and Kaiapoi is almost unaffected after the 6.3 from what I have heard.
Pegasus was unaffected after the 7.1 as well apparently.:)

I would imagine pretty well. it is quite far north, further north than Kaiapoi, and Kaiapoi is almost unaffected after the 6.3 from what I have heard.
Pegasus was unaffected after the 7.1 as well apparently.:)

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Excellent news!

Hopefully it is ok. I believe a secondary cbd will emerge after the earthquake, which could be somewhere like Pegasus. That is what I am guessing anyway.

Just had my third visit to Pegasus, my first back in 2008 the site was a dust bowl, second visit in 2010 found a completed lake with all roads built and a few homes occupied with a small shopping centre trading.

Yesterday I found many more homes built, but considering the area has come through the quakes extremley well, with no sign of damage, there appeared to be very few homes under construction?

Parts are looking "urban" but there are still plenty of wide open spaces, if the many people displaced from Christchurch are looking for a safe area ? progress in the coming months on Pegasus, might well see a rapid increase in construction activity...........

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The population must be growing ,I was told that a school is about to be built and a bus service is planned, so the future appears to look bright for this new township.

I would have thought alot under Construction .....:nuts::bash::)

looking mighty fine!!! :D

Looking real good out there

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Pegasus Town increases marketing thrust (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1210/S00195/pegasus-town-increases-marketing-thrust.htm)

Following yesterday’s announcement that the Ministry of Education was building a school that would be opened in 2014, Pegasus Town will accelerate its investment and marketing to keep apace with the strong demand for the area. Waikuku School, north of Christchurch, is to move to Pegasus in 2014 and a school for 900 is to be built in the town. Work will commence next year. Paul Armstrong, Development Manager for Pegasus Town, said that the school announcement was a key building block for the future of the town. “There is now some urgency in getting more sections to the market as quickly as possible. We are in the early stages of developing a completely new marketing strategy for Pegasus in line with thelong-term plans for the town and we need to ensure that we have sufficient sections available when that is revealed over the next few months. To this end we are reviewing plans for Stages 12 and 13,” he said. Sections at Pegasus, including the golf course, range from 300m2 to 2000m2 and are priced from $149,000 to $545,000. Since Pegasus was first launched in 2004, 943 sections have been sold with only 95 now available. Pegasus Town Ltd was placed in receivership in August and is now under the control of the Receivers and supported by NZProperty Finance Partners, a consortium including investment bank Goldman Sachs and global asset manager Brookfield Group ... MORE (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1210/S00195/pegasus-town-increases-marketing-thrust.htm)

Pegasus project to fly again (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/8036512/Pegasus-project-to-fly-again)

New Zealand's wealthiest family, the Todds, have bought the cash-strapped Pegasus development just north of Christchurch. The billionaire family's property development arm, Todd Property Group, has bought the unsold land, golf course, and community areas of the partly-developed North Canterbury town and hope to complete the project by 2015. Developer Pegasus Town Ltd, founded and part-owned by Wanaka's Bob Robertson, was placed in receivership in August after defaulting on payments for a $142 million loan. The purchase price is being kept secret but is understood to be considerably less than the debt owing. An anonymous source close to the deal said it was good news for the town, and for the staff of Pegasus Town Ltd who would be re- employed under a new entity which would "pick it up and carry it on". Todd Property Group managing director Evan Davies said they expected to complete the full development. He said the project was "highly attractive" and he expected strong demand for new homes ... MORE (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/8036512/Pegasus-project-to-fly-again)

The retail and town centre part of this development sounds really impressive, does anyone have anymore detail on it?

Ironically enough the quakes have really helped this development. My first visit here was earlier this year. From then to now, theres an incredible amount of development. Building and new road construction everywhere.

Todd rebrands Pegasus Town concept (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/todd-rebrands-pegasus-town-concept-weekend-review-ch-137790)

Pegasus is now destined to be more a subdivision than a town
The new owner of Pegasus Town – Todd Property Group – held a rebranding business breakfast last week. Pegasus Town is a subdivision 20km north of Christchurch where the original developer, Bob Robertson of Infinity Group, recently lost the confidence of funders. In December 2012 Todd Property Group announced that it had bought the town from the receivers. At that time the debt owed to New Zealand Property Finance Partners was $142 million. Evan Davies, managing director of Todd Property Group, addressed a 40-strong group of guests and outlined the benefits of the coastal subdivision – it does not overlook the beach, however, and is set back behind dunes and forests. But aside from completing the selldown of the two-thirds sold development, Todd Property is not planning to invest in the additional commercial infrastructure promised by Mr Robertson for the original concept of Pegasus town, which is becoming another dormitory suburb similar to Rolleston, located about 20km south of Christchurch. Mr Robertson’s list of amenities was to include a hotel, yacht club, equestrian centre, spas, office buildings and the like. Nor will the development have quite as many residents as claimed by Mr Robertson. Mr Davies says that on completion in a couple of years there will be about 1636 sections and about 4500 residents. There are 485 sections yet to be completed, with two-thirds ready for sale this year ... MORE (http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/todd-rebrands-pegasus-town-concept-weekend-review-ch-137790)