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PAE Panathinaikos AO

20x Champion:
1930, 1949, 1953, 1960, 1961,
1962, 1964, 1965, 1969, 1970,
1972, 1977, 1984, 1986, 1990,
1991, 1995, 1996, 2004, 2010

17x Cup Winner:
1940, 1948, 1955, 1967, 1969,
1977, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988,
1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995,
2004, 2010

When is finished will look very beautiful.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2587/47644832.jpg

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http://www.contra.gr/images/paonewgipedo10.jpg

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http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/ph/phottt1111_b.jpg

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http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430454_big.jpg


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This is the thread for the new proposed stadium of Panathinaikos in Athens.
The architect will be the one who designed Dragao and a whole district will be updated.

A basketball arena and a museum will be also built.

Photos soon!!

I just LOVE the design! I cant wait for it!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1104/sportdayl7ce.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5057/derbyl6ex.jpg

Υο!!!

So basically they are going to copy the Dragao? :lol:

Looks very classy, do I take it that this will seat 40,000? Unfortunately I don't know Greek.

Too bad the stadium is never going to be built. Panathinaikos will continue playing at the Olympic stadium for ATLEAST the next 10 years.

Hehe...good luck and dont forget the greek system and karaiskaki was built thanks to the olympics. But i hope they manage to build it soon but i think they should build a 20.000 seat stadium and then expand it later on so they can get somewhere.

Yesterday it was the first meeting between the Prime Minister and the Mayor of Athens discussing Votanikos project and the agreement signed (August 2005) between Panathinaikos Athletic Club (the owner of the old stadium) with the City of Athens.
Panathinaikos will exchange his old ground in Athens City Centre for another one in Votanikos Area of Athens (ex-industrial zone). The Football Ground is going to be ready for the 100 years of the Greek Club in 2008, while the rest of the Complex will be completed by 2011.

The whole project includes a football Ground (40000) and Basketball Stadium (8000), Volleyball Stadium (3000), Olympic Swimming pool, Gymnastic Fasilities etc

The Panathinaikos Athletic Club Sport Complex
http://zachariadis.co.uk/photos/votanikos.jpg

why dont they just use the olympic stadium? its just lying empty there?

Looks like the City of Manchester Stadium.

I know.I have opened both of them by mistake.

Yeah but this is not the final proposal for the stadium.It turned up that these were just some old plans for Dragao Stadium.Some reporters used them in order to increase their newspaper's sales.

The final plans will be known soon. :eek2:

only 40.000 seat's? :sly:

only 40.000 seat's? :sly:

yea...but now they say 35.000 to 37.000....

only 40.000 seat's?

The economic performance of teams in small championships like Greece, Portugal, Belgium, Austria, etc more or less doesn't allow them to built much bigger stadiums than 40,000.

The portuguese stadiums of Porto, Benfica and Sporting were built using puplic money and then leased to the club for an annually fee. The whole Panathinaikos Sport Complex is gonna get built by using private sector funding.

why dont they just use the olympic stadium? its just lying empty there?

No it's not AEK Athens is gonna play there.
I guess the only way for Panathinaikos to keep using the Athens Olympic stadium would be sighing a leasing agreement for 40+ years (the same way Man City signed for the City of Manchester Stadium).

What's the beef between PAOK and Olympiakos ? it looks bitter.

The portuguese stadiums of Porto, Benfica and Sporting were built using puplic money and then leased to the club for an annually fee. The whole Panathinaikos Sport Complex is gonna get built by using private sector funding. ).

Since when???????????????? The state helped the construction of the stadiums you've mentioned, but most of the cost involved came from private sources, not public ones. You're misleading people here.

Why do they need a basketball arena??? what a waste of money. There is nothing wrong with the Olympic Indoor hall!

It is a beautiful stadium though!

Since when???????????????? The state helped the construction of the stadiums you've mentioned, but most of the cost involved came from private sources, not public ones. You're misleading people here.

I don't think I mislead anyone. The stadiums of EURO 2004 were built using a mix way of funding.

"Gilberto Parca Madail, president of the PFF, admits......The PFF's original bid involved local councils providing half of the finance for the stadia, with the government and private sponsorship expected to put in 25 percent a piece."(http://www.panstadia.com/vol8/83-006.htm).

In these projects the Portuguese government and the local councils have two major roles. The first one is the direct funding of the project (25%-50%) and the second one is the role of the project guarantee increasing the amount of funding from the private sector.

On the other side the funding of Panathinaikos Stadium doesn't involve (directly or indirectly) government or council money. The new stadium of Panathinaikos will cost about 80m Euros while the big Portuguese stadiums cost I think about 120-140m Euros. I think your clubs in general got a very good deal.

The stadium will be ready soon.

It was finally announced that the New Panathinaikos Stadium WILL BE NEVER BUILT.Alternatively PAO has signed an agrrement with Olympiacos CFP in order to use Karaiskaki Stadium for the next 20 years.As a result of this agreement half of Karaiskai seats will be paint green.

It is also suggested that another two floors are built in Karaiskki so tha total cpacity reaches 80000.A retractlable roof for this stadium will be built in 2009.


what ???, where did read this ?

In all international sport sites

ok, please give me some sites that says this because it aint true...

Um, That would NEVER happen.

Too bad the stadium is never going to be built. Panathinaikos will continue playing at the Olympic stadium for ATLEAST the next 10 years.

pity greek stadia are the worst in the world. Even stadiums in NZ are better

pity greek stadia are the worst in the world. Even stadiums in NZ are better
I wouldn't say that. Greece has nice stadiums.

Hey guys soz for the previous posts.I friend of mine pulled my.He told me this story and he also told me he saw it in the internet. :bash:

But when i saw who guys from greece reacted i understood something was wrong.

So,everything is ok with ste stadium and will be built :)

when will the photos or pics of the new stadia be released ?

why dont they just use the olympic stadium? its just lying empty there?


No, the Olympic Stadium is currently being used by both Panathinaikos and AEK, but in the future both plan to build new stadiums. Knowing how things in Greece go, that should be around 2020 sometime, so it's safe to say the stadium will continue to be used. :lol:

Yes christofer.u r ->

True that :lol:
But they need there own soccer only stadiums.

looks american :D
capacity?

THE FINAL PLANS!!!!

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news69/1stad0920.l.jpg

IT'S SUPER!!!!

ok ?
can you give us some links please

www.sportime.gr
www.pao.gr
www.worldstadiums.com
www.in.gr

Thanks for the insteresting though completely wrong information regarding the new Panathanaikos stadium Metrostar.Any information even if it is completely wrong is better than none at all IMO.

Is this tha new panathinaikos stadium?i found it at worldstadiums.com

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_panathinaikos.jpg

It seems pretty good and big enough fot greece (40000) i think.

I also found this from google


Panathinaikos stadium seems set for a downtown solution
12 Apr 2005
Following a long period of disputes and controversy regarding a new stadium for the Panathinaikos club's soccer, basketball and volleyball divisions, a downtown Athens location, just over a kilometer from Omonia Square in the Votanikos inner district, now appears to be the likeliest option available to the club.

Athens Mayor Dora Bakoyannis, affiliated with the ruling conservative New Democracy party, and key club officials reached consensus on the project and its prospective site at a meeting yesterday.

"We made clear that all concerned parties want to proceed together for the Votanikos location," the Athens mayor said.

Bakoyannis said a task force would immediately get to work to examine the project's details, including financing, so that "not a single day is wasted."

In the past, Panathinaikos, one of the country's two largest clubs in terms of popularity and success, has considered various options. They have included Goudi, an alternative that was shelved by the previous government after prompting much negative reaction over residential and environmental concerns, as well as Hellenikon, where the Greek capital's international airport used to be located.

Panathinaikos, which is expected to self-finance construction of its new stadium, had been asked to submit its preferences by the end of January.

The club's soccer division currently hosts matches at the Leoforos Alexandras stadium, an outdated venue which, earlier this season, was ruled out as inappropriate for Champions League competition by UEFA, the prestigious club-level event's organizer and European soccer's governing body.

I also found this

Οριστικά στον Βοτανικό το νέο γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού
(01-09-2005 )



Μετά από χρόνια ο Παναθηναϊκός μπαίνει στο τελικό στάδιο για την κατασκευή του νέου του γηπέδου. Στις 30/8/05 «πράσινοι» υπέγραψαν τη συμφωνία με τον Δήμο Αθηναίων ενω οι εργασίες ανέγερσης θα ξεκινήσουν τον Οκτώβριο του 2006, ωστε να ειναι έτοιμο σε 18 μήνες, προκειμένου ο Παναθηναϊκός να γιορτάσει σε αυτό τα 100 του χρόνια. Όπως ανακοινώθηκε το γήπεδο θα διαθέτει 35.000-40.000 θέσεις και ο Παναθηναϊκός θα έχει το δικαίωμα χρήσης για τα επόμενα 49 χρόνια. Το κλειστό γυμναστήριο που θα στεγάζει τα τμήματα μπάσκετ και βόλεϊ θα έχει χωρητικότητα 8.000 θέσεων, ενώ οι «πράσινοι» θα δώσουν το γήπεδο της Λεωφόρου Αλεξάνδρας στον Δήμο, για ανάπλαση. Ο Παναθηναϊκός διατηρεί το δικαίωμα επέκτασης της συνεργασίας με τον Δήμο για την ενοικίαση του γηπέδου, καλούμενος να πληρώσει 3.300.000 για κάθε χρόνο, τα επόμενα 20 χρόνια από τη λήξη της σύμβασης. Θα υπάρχει εύκολη και άμεση πρόσβαση για όλα τα μέσα μεταφοράς, στην εθνική οδό, νέος σταθμός του μετρό και διασυνδέσεις με τον προαστιακό σιδηρόδρομο.

and this is its translation from worldlingo.com



Finally in the Botanic new ground of Panathinaikos
(01-09-2005)

After hro'nja the Panathinaikos enters in the final stage for the manufacture of his new ground. In the 30/8/05 "green" they signed the agreement with the Municipality Athenians while the work of construction begins in October 2006, so that they is ready in 18 months, in order that the Panathinaikos celebrates in this the 100 hro'nja. As it was announced the ground will allocate 35.000-40.000 places and the Panathinaikos will have the right of use for the next 49 years. The closed gym that will accomodate the departments mpa'sket and vo'lej! it will have capacity of 8.000 places, while the "greens" give the ground of Avenue Alexandra in the Municipality, for reformation. The Panathinaikos maintains the right of extension of collaboration with the Municipality for the renting of ground, called it pays 3.300.000 for each year, the next 20 years from the expiry of convention. Will exist easy and direct access for all the means of transport, in the national road, new station of underground and interconnections with the suburban railway.

And in spanish for our latino friends


Finalmente en la nueva tierra botánica de Panathinaikos
(01-09-2005)

Después de que hro'nja que el Panathinaikos inscribe en la etapa final para la fabricación de su nueva tierra. En el 30/8/05 "verde" firmaron el acuerdo con los atenienses del municipio mientras que el trabajo de la construcción comienza en octubre de 2006, de modo que sean listos en 18 meses, para que el Panathinaikos celebre en esto el hro'nja 100. Pues fue anunciado la tierra asignará 35.000-40.000 lugares y el Panathinaikos tendrá la derecha del uso por los 49 años próximos. ¡El gym cerrado que acomodará el mpa'sket y el vo'lej de los departamentos! tendrá capacidad de 8.000 lugares, mientras que los "verdes" dan la tierra de la avenida Alexandra en el municipio, para la reforma. El Panathinaikos mantiene la derecha de la extensión de la colaboración con el municipio para alquilarse de la tierra, llamado le paga 3.300.000 por cada año, los 20 años próximos del vencimiento de la convención. Existirá fácil y la acceso directa para todo el medio de transporte, en el camino nacional, nueva estación del subterráneo y de interconexiones con el ferrocarril suburbano.

In russian for our northern friends


Окончательно в botanic новом основании Panathinaikos
(01-09-2005)

После того как hro'nja, котор Panathinaikos входит в в заключительныйа этап для изготовления его нового основания. В 30/8/05 "зеленый цвет" они подписали согласование с афинянками муниципалитета пока работа конструкции начинает в 2006 -го октябре, так, что они будут готовы в 18 месяцах, для того НОП Panathinaikos празднует в этом hro'nja 100. По мере того как было объявлено земля размещает 35.000-40.000 места и Panathinaikos будет иметь право пользы на следующие 49 лет. Закрытая гимнастика приспособит mpa'sket и vo'lej отделов! она будет иметь емкость 8.000 мест, пока "зеленые цвета" дают землю бульвара Александры в муниципалитете, для реформирования. Panathinaikos поддерживает право выдвижения сотрудничества с муниципалитетом для арендовать земли, вызвано им оплачивает 3.300.000 для each year, следующие 20 лет от expiry конвенции. Будет существовать легко и direct access для полностью means of transport, в национальной дороге, новая станция подполья и соединений с слободским railway.

Finally
in
Italiano



Infine in un nuovo terreno botanico di Panathinaikos
(01-09-2005)

Dopo che hro'nja che il Panathinaikos registra nella fase finale per la fabbricazione di suo un nuovo terreno. Nel 30/8/05 "verde" hanno firmato l'accordo con i athenians del comune mentre il lavoro di costruzione comincia nel mese di ottobre del 2006, in modo che siano aspetti in 18 mesi, affinché il Panathinaikos celebra in questo il hro'nja 100. Poichè è stato annunciato la terra assegnerà 35.000-40.000 posti ed il Panathinaikos avrà la destra di uso per i 49 anni futuri. Il gym chiuso che accomoderà il mpa'sket ed il vo'lej di reparti! avrà capienza di 8.000 posti, mentre "i verdi" danno la terra del viale Alexandra nel comune, per la riforma. Il Panathinaikos effettua la destra dell'estensione di collaborazione con il comune per affittare della terra, denominato esso paga 3.300.000 ogni anno, i 20 anni futuri dalla scadenza della convenzione. Esisterà facile e l'accesso diretto per tutto il mezzi di trasporto, nella strada nazionale, nuova stazione del underground e delle interconnessioni con la ferrovia suburbana.


ROMA UNICO GRANDE AMORE!!!! :)

Check this out

http://maps.apocalx.com/sport-et-loisirs-parcs-a-themes-stades/stades/820-stade-panathinaikos-athenes.php

It's the old one i suppose

Panathinaikos seems close to new home
Public works minister tables two alternative choices for new soccer stadium, including previously rejected site at Goudi

After an arduous struggle for permission to construct a new stadium at a location of its choice in Athens, Panathinaikos soccer club, one of the country’s two largest in terms of popularity and success, has more or less achieved its objective. At a meeting yesterday, Public Works Minister Giorgos Souflias proposed two sites at Goudi and one at Hellenikon, where the Greek capital’s old international airport was located. The club, which will self-finance construction of its new stadium, has been asked to submit its preference by the end of January.

The Goudi location, which had been shelved as an option by the previous government over residential and environmental concerns, rates as the Athens club’s first choice. Following yesterday’s developments, renewed resistance can be expected.

At the same meeting yesterday, top officials of the Panathinaikos club’s basketball and volleyball divisions agreed to establish new homes at Goudi’s Olympics badminton facility. It will be converted into an 8,000-capacity venue for both sports. The acceptance of the Goudi alternative by the two club divisions should facilitate the soccer division’s relocation to the same site.

“Panathinaikos soccer club will examine the issue of the new stadium’s construction at either Goudi or Hellenikon. I’m a fan of Panathinaikos but will function as a public works minister,” noted Souflias. “I’m neither going to disfavor nor favor Panathinaikos. I’ll do what I would do for any other club. Panathinaikos will approach us in January to indicate which site it prefers for the new ground’s construction,” he added.

Souflias, however, reiterated the environmental and residential problems encountered at Goudi in the past.

The Goudi site is owned by the Ministry of Defense and has been classified as parkland by the state.

Approximately a year ahead of the Athens Olympics, rival club Olympiakos struck a deal with the previous government to reconstruct its traditional home ground, Karaiskaki stadium in Faliron, on time for the Games in exchange for a long-term lease thereafter.

Just weeks ago, UEFA, European soccer’s governing body, told Panathinaikos that it could no longer use its current home ground, the outdated Alexandras Avenue stadium, for Champions League competition. Panathinaikos has since been ousted from Europe’s leading club-level competition and, as consolation, is continuing its campaign in the less prestigious UEFA Cup, for which it can host games at Alexandras Avenue.

No details emerged from yesterday’s meeting on the new stadium’s exact location or construction specifications. Also, nothing was said of what would become of the Alexandras Avenue stadium.

In the event that Panathinaikos relocates, the City of Athens has pledged to demolish the existing old stadium for greenery works and a square.

This is something else i have found but it seems quie old

Which will be the capacity of the new stadium?

Is it about basketball?We will be glad to beat Panathinaikos again it its new arena. :bash: :bash:

Is it about basketball?We will be glad to beat Panathinaikos again it its new arena. :bash: :bash:
Panathinaikos - Most successful club in European history.

^^^Nope Liverpool is:)
You'll Never Walk Alone!

We won it 5 times, how many times did Panathinaikos won?

Maybe giorgos mans generally in all sports not just football.Panathinaikos has won a total amound of 484 TITLES in 21 SPORTS including football,basketball,volleyball,athketics and so on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathinaikos

What have u won?

What have u won?

I dont care about the other sports!
We won in 5 TIMES
in Istanbul we won it 5 TIMES

I do. And thats what it was about before you came in.

^^^Nope Liverpool is:)
You'll Never Walk Alone!

We won it 5 times, how many times did Panathinaikos won?

Real Madrid won it 9 times, Milan won it 6 times....

^^ So how many times have Panathinaikos won it? this thread is about them.
but I dont want to start anything here, your'll got a good thread, it was my mistake for not noticing that this thread wasnt only about soccer:) my bad
Peace out

Liverpoolian u aren't even best in football.They r best in all sports together.We have won more trophies than you.What the f!*k is going on with this stadium? :)

Hey any news greek guys?

Non as of yet. I am sure it wont be built because of typical stupid greek investors. :(

So the whole project might be canceled?

What is going on with thois stadium guys?Is it being constructed right now?

Is there any possibility of adding a retractable roof in the new Panathinaikos Stadium?

I dont think so. There isnt really a need since the weather isnt that bad in Athens.

Yes but this is gonna make it much more impressive.You know stadium design is not only usefulnes but it is art as well.We should build stadium with architectually interesting.I think this idea was born in Greece with the beautiful buildings built in the classical agews in greece.How you forgot the old guys so fast? :)

Not to mention that as i have seen the stadium could be seen from the acropolis.So an impressive retractable roof will totally change Athenian skyline.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm sure Panathinaikos fans would rather see new and exciting players than a worthless retractable roof.

Any news?

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100012_11/04/2006_68500

Hellenikon park is not in danger

Environment Minister Giorgos Souflias yesterday reaffirmed the government’s commitment that Athens will be home to “Europe’s largest park” despite five years of delays in getting the project off the ground.

The minister said that plans to build a 400-hectare park at Hellenikon will be put into operation after the government approved an extension of the Hymettus ring road that will partly run under the old airport. The ring road is to join the beachside Poseidonos Avenue.

The old airport, which takes up 530 hectares, currently hosts six sports grounds and two training facilities, used for the Athens Olympic Games. Tram and bus depots have also started to eat up part of the seaside area.

Souflias said that in coming days he will present the ministry’s proposal for the area.

Souflias added that the legal framework for the building of a sports complex for Panathinaikos at Votanikos will be ready in June, allowing for the construction of the project to start in October. The completion date has been set for 2008.

I have read in a newspaper here in germany that Lufthansa is considering some sponsorship deals in stadium naming in Europe.Their first choice is new athens stadium fur panathinaikos.It will be named lufthansa stadium or something similar.This sponsorship has to do with the fact that lufthansa is buying aegean airlines so they want to make their name recognisable in greece.

Nice thread but i think there aren't any news.I ve been waiting for something new for a long time.

Drogba, if what Alexandros posted is true, We should get more news after June.

What isgoing on with this stadiums?Always everything is alomst ready but nobaldy officially talks about it.Not to mention that we are approaching June and we don't have the final plans!!!I am very very curious to see how it would look at all!

plans are out its a smaller version of dragao in portugal. 42000 seats and its going to start getting built end of year.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2198/votanikosrc6.jpg

The model image they came out with looks horrible, you can't really tell much. But from what they are saying it will be fantastic, like a mini Dragao. 42,000 so they say.


It's about time. It will be really nice to see the whole Votanikos area get a face lift, they are suppose to put alot of green and stuff.

Copy & Paste! :rant:

http://www.invictadesign.com/dragao.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/54/142070995_76599b17f9_o.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/637/271791951d77d1b79c2bxl8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some more pics from the presentation:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4395/gipedopaomegareport7wx4.jpg

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8245/gipedopaomegareport4zb9.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9498/gipedopaomegareport5tv2.jpg

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7514/gipedopaomegareport6tq0.jpg

Also I don't know if anyone mentioned it but the architect of this stadium is Manuel Salgado that designed Dragao.

Also I don't know if anyone mentioned it but the architect of this stadium is Manuel Salgado that designed Dragao.

He has an amazing originality. :lol:

Well, 0 points for creativity with this one, but then again, Karaiskaki Stadium isn't an architectural masterpiece either.

http://static.flickr.com/54/142070995_76599b17f9_o.jpg
it looks better in red :D

Guys the stadiums won't look the same. There're some similarities but Panathinaikos design has three tiers on both sides while the curved bits have two. Also the roof is splited into 4 parts based on the side of each stand.

Well, 0 points for creativity with this one, but then again, Karaiskaki Stadium isn't an architectural masterpiece either.

Nope you are wrong this stadium is an original design based on a very successfull stadium designed for the Semifinals of Euro 2004, while karaiskaki is a copy of an average new Championship stadium (very poor design in my opinion).

A cookie to whoever guesses which team Soul_13 supports.

Nope you are wrong this stadium is an original design based on a very successfull stadium designed for the Semifinals of Euro 2004, while karaiskaki is a copy of an average new Championship stadium (very poor design in my opinion).

How can it be an original design based on an existing stadium? That doesn't make sense.

Guys, the render gives away nothing. Lets not get carried away from now.

A cookie to whoever guesses which team Soul_13 supports.
Save your cookie, I'm a PANATHINAIKOS fan.

How can it be an original design based on an existing stadium? That doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense to me. The architectural design of the stadium is ORIGINAL, while the building, materials and structural design will based on the Porto stadium.

Guys, the render gives away nothing. Lets not get carried away from now.

Actually the renders reveal much more information than you think.The design won't change much from what we've seen. Grupo Amorim (Salgado's company) provided Panathinaikos FC with two quite similar designs and that's the one qualified.

It makes perfect sense to me. The architectural design of the stadium is ORIGINAL, while the building, materials and structural design will based on the Porto stadium.

Is it really original? Looking at the plans and renders it seems to look a lot like Porto's stadium.

I'm not calling PAO's new stadium ugly in any way, I'm just saying its not creative.

the fact that pao is this far in the process is impressive...who knows how long it will take but these renderings are preliminary soo im sure once we get better designs they will look fine but this is good for greek soccer and it will be good for athens...i think that pao could have saved lots of money if they partnered with the greek government to build a stadium like what happened for olympiakos but its greece soo...hopefully a company will buy the naming rights therefore making the sadium cheaper to build...

Preliminary?
Theres been a few renders before this one.

;10486608']Preliminary?
Theres been a few renders before this one.

Actually, they were old Dragão renders.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_panathinaikos.jpg
Um, What do you call this? (a model, but not dragao)

Yesterday it was the first meeting between the Prime Minister and the Mayor of Athens discussing Votanikos project and the agreement signed (August 2005) between Panathinaikos Athletic Club (the owner of the old stadium) with the City of Athens.
Panathinaikos will exchange his old ground in Athens City Centre for another one in Votanikos Area of Athens (ex-industrial zone). The Football Ground is going to be ready for the 100 years of the Greek Club in 2008, while the rest of the Complex will be completed by 2011.

The whole project includes a football Ground (40000) and Basketball Stadium (8000), Volleyball Stadium (3000), Olympic Swimming pool, Gymnastic Fasilities etc

The Panathinaikos Athletic Club Sport Complex
http://zachariadis.co.uk/photos/votanikos.jpg

why would Panathinaikos leave OAKA and play in some average size arena which will soon not even fit the Euroleague requirements of seat numbers in arena's?

Do any of our Greek friends or others have any news/updates on this project.

Is there a final design?
Is there an appointed architecht?
Has the area been cleared at the proposed site of existing structures?
The football club seems silent does it actually know what is going on?

I would love to see this stadium built but if none of the above are even in the pipeline then we can expect a wait of at least 4 years to see a ball being kicked. The absolute minimal problem free normal time for constructing such a stadium from ground breaking is 28 months. Does anyone agree?

It makes perfect sense to me. The architectural design of the stadium is ORIGINAL, while the building, materials and structural design will based on the Porto stadium.

it's not an original design if it's based on something else, simple

it's not an original design if it's based on something else, simple
Are you dump or something, the architecture of the stadium is ORIGINAL it doesn't based to anything...

Is there a final design?
Is there an appointed architecht?

The official presentation is on Monday. The architect is Manuel Salgado (Grupo Amorim). Also there is planning permision and the funding for building the stadium is in place.

The football club seems silent does it actually know what is going on?
??????? They've been at least 10 meetings with government and city officials the last 2 months. Last meeting was earlier today.

why would Panathinaikos leave OAKA and play in some average size arena which will soon not even fit the Euroleague requirements of seat numbers in arena's?

Phase 2 including the basketball arena will start 5 years after the completion of the Football ground so I guess lots things gonna change by then. IMO OAKA is too big for a Greek Basketball club, Panathinaikos B.C. will be fine playing in 8-10,000 seats arena.

Thanks for the information soul 13!:)

Can you post an update on the presentation/meeting you mentioned this Monday?:cheers:

When I said the club was silent I meant they do not put anything on their official website not in English anyway regarding the stadium! It is strange most clubs have updates when doing new stadiums.

Are you dump or something, the architecture of the stadium is ORIGINAL it doesn't based to anything...
Is that why all the renders of it are basically pictures of Portos stadium? Its based on tht design, thats no big secret. Beautiful stadium, but not original.

Is that why all the renders of it are basically pictures of Portos stadium?

I haven’t seen any renders have you??? Except if you talking about these awfully retouched pictures of dragao published by Greek newspapers. The only renders sourced from the club show a stadium with 3 tiers on the sides (dragao has 2) and 2 on the curved bits (Dragao has one). Also the curved stands are completely separated from the main stands (more like an English stadium) and the roof is split into 4 pieces.

So as I said the design till now seems to be 100% ORIGINAL, but let's wait till Monday afternoon for the official plans.

The official presentation is on Monday. The architect is Manuel Salgado (Grupo Amorim).

Any news on presentation, models, renderings, plans?

As promised:

http://www.balla.gr/files/Ellada/Omades/PAO/GIPEDO/gipedo4255.jpg
http://www.balla.gr/files/Ellada/Omades/PAO/GIPEDO/gipedo4251.jpg
http://www.balla.gr/files/Ellada/Omades/PAO/GIPEDO/gipedo1952.jpg
http://www.balla.gr/files/Ellada/Omades/PAO/GIPEDO/gipedo1951.jpg

Capacity: 42,000 (future expansion to 50,000)

Nice one soul 13. Any website links as to what was said at presentation? If not what was said? What is capacity? What is timeline of construction? Any construction comany appointed Aktor perhaps? Any information and more pictures would be appreciated.

Nice one soul 13. Any website links as to what was said at presentation? If not what was said? What is capacity? What is timeline of construction? Any construction comany appointed Aktor perhaps? Any information and more pictures would be appreciated.

I was so excited at new pictures that I posted twice!:banana:

Great improvement for Greek Football... Albeit it might take a while to realise......

looks okay...

i think it would look better if there was 55-60.000 seats that would suite the design...

any bigger pics ?

As promised:
Capacity: 42,000 (future expansion to 50,000)

Where in the stadium would the future expansion be possible?

So, Dragao meets Leipzig! Looks very nice...!

I love it!

Where in the stadium would the future expansion be possible?

The way the stadium is designed will leave enough space for building a third tier (keeping construction cost at the minimum) above the 2 existing ones on each of the curved sides.

When will construction begin and has a main contractor for construction been appointed?

Panathinaikos Arena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcKiJPVDHQ&eurl=

Veronica I think the construction will start by summer 2007

Enjoy

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_1_maketa1.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa2.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa7.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa5.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa4.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_mak4.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa8.jpg

http://pao-org.atoll.gr/media/2006_2007/events/parousiasigipedou/450_maketa3.jpg
http://www.pao.gr/document.php?category_id=2&document_id=2428&page=

brilliant stadium and great video!!

It's nice, yet the 3rd tier looks a bit weird in the render thanks to the glass... Probably it will look much better live.

yep great copy of Porto!!! no realy, better a good copy then a bad design!

Excellent.

It's not really an exact copy, but it is obviously based/influenced on the Dragao since it is the same architect, but thats not a bad thing imo. :) The Dragao is my favorite stadium personally and the PAO stadium will be on the same level. It's design are subtally differet.


The differences seem the PAO stadium has 3 tiers of stands total, the Dragao has 2, the PAO stadium has seats seperated on the ends (2 tiers) and the Dragao has 1 big one on each end, and the roof is slight different (not by much). Thats my frist take on it. I really like the design though.

Wow, what a beauty. I take back what I said before about it not being original. The new design is actually pretty unique. Cant wait for construction to start.

I would be very grateful if one of our Greek friends could translate this as I cannot find an English version anywhere

11-12-2006 Μεγάλη η σημερινή μέρα για τον Παναθηναϊκό και για τα εκατομμύρια των οπαδών του. Στον πολυχώρο "Αθηναϊς" έγινε η παρουσίαση της μελέτης για το νέο γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού στον Βοτανικό. Την επιμέλεια αλλά και ευθύνη της παρουσίασης, είχε ο άνθρωπος που έχει αναλάβει, τον κυριότερο ρόλο στο θέμα του νέου γηπέδου, ο διευθύνων σύμβουλος της ΠΑΕ, κ. Ευάγγελος Σαμαράς. Στην παρουσίαση της μελέτης παραβρέθηκαν τόσο ο κ. Γιάννης Βαρδινογιάννης όσο και ο πρόεδρος κ. Αργύρης Μήτσου. Αναλυτικά ολόκληρο το κείμενο της παρουσίασης: "Κυρίες και Κύριοι, καλό μεσημέρι. Καλώς ήρθατε στην σημερινή μας συνέντευξη τύπου όπου θα σας παρουσιάσουμε το μεγάλο όνειρο των Παναθηναϊκών Φιλάθλων που γίνεται πραγματικότητα. Σήμερα παρουσιάζουμε στον κόσμο του Παναθηναϊκού και στο Ελληνικό Ποδόσφαιρο το νέο μας γήπεδο. Ξεκινήσαμε τον Αύγουστο 2005 με την υπογραφή συμφωνίας με τον Δήμο Αθηναίων. να συμπεριληφθεί το Νέο Γήπεδο του ΠΑΟ στο πρόγραμμα Ανάπλασης του Βοτανικού. Μπορούμε να δούμε συνοπτικά τα βήματα που έγιναν σε αυτό το διάστημα μέχρι σήμερα. Ιστορικό: Αύγουστος 2005: Υπογραφή της συμφωνίας μεταξύ του ΠΑΟ (Ερασιτέχνη και ΠΑΕ) με τον Δήμο Αθηναίων. Νοέμβριος 2005: Ίδρυση ειδικής δημοτικής εταιρίας "Διπλή Ανάπλαση Α.Ε." που ανέλαβε να υλοποιήσει το έργο και να κατασκευάσει το νέο γήπεδο. Φεβρουάριος 2005: Εξασφάλιση της χρηματοδότησης κατασκευής των έργων υποδομής. Ιούλιος 2006: Ψήφιση από την Βουλή του νόμου που επιτρέπει την ανέγερση του Νέου Γηπέδου στο Βοτανικό. Οκτώβριος 2006: Υπογραφή οριστικού συμφωνητικού μεταξύ ΠΑΕ και Δήμου Αθηναίων. Η Ημερομηνία αυτή σηματοδοτεί την Έναρξη του έργου. Όλα τα εμπλεκόμενα μέρη (Δήμος Αθηναίων, Πολιτεία, ΠΑΕ) ανέλαβαν συγκεκριμένες υποχρεώσεις μέσα σε καθορισμένο χρονοδιάγραμμα καθένας ξεχωριστά. Υφιστάμενη κατάσταση: Μία από τις βασικές επιδιώξεις του Νέου Γηπέδου είναι η ανάπλαση τη περιοχής του Βοτανικού. Ο Βοτανικός είναι από τις πιο υποβαθμισμένες περιοχές της Αθήνας. Βασικός στόχος είναι αυτή η κατάσταση να αλλάξει. Να βελτιωθούν οι υποδομές της περιοχής και να αναβαθμιστεί η ζωή των κατοίκων της. Μία από τις βασικές επιδιώξεις του Νέου Γηπέδου είναι να γίνει ο μοχλός ανάπτυξης της περιοχής του Βοτανικού. Περιοχή παρέμβασης: Στο σχέδιο ανάπλασης για την αναβάθμιση της περιοχής ορίστηκε ως χώρος παρέμβασης η έκταση που περικλείεται από τους δρόμους Αγ. Άννης και Αγ. Πολυκάρπου. Η έκταση αυτή έχει επιφάνεια περίπου 300 στρέμματα. Η περιοχή αυτή βρίσκεται σε απόσταση μικρότερη των 2 χλμ. από το κέντρο της Αθήνας κάτω από την Ιερά Οδό και πολύ κοντά στις Λεωφόρους Αθηνών και Κηφισού. Χωρίς αμφιβολία, πρόκειται για μία προσπάθεια αποκατάστασης και αναβάθμισης μιας περιοχής που είναι σήμερα εξαιρετικά επιβαρυμένη. Κύριος άξονας στην προσπάθεια αυτή είναι η δημιουργία του νέου γηπέδου του Παναθηναϊκού στην περιοχή αυτή. Για το σκοπό αυτό ο Δήμος Αθηναίων. εκπόνησε τις απαραίτητες μελέτες (χωροταξικές, κυκλοφοριακές, περιβαλλοντικές ) του Νέου Γηπέδου στον σχεδιασμό με επίκεντρο το Νέο Γήπεδο. Νομοθετική ρύθμιση: Στην συνέχεια το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ ενέκρινε τις μελέτες και με βάση αυτές προχώρησε στην νομοθετική ρύθμιση που ψηφίσθηκε τελικά από την Βουλή τον Ιούλιο 2006. Στην ρύθμιση αυτή προβλέπεται η δημιουργία ενός ανεξάρτητου, ενιαίου οικοπέδου έκτασης περίπου 200 στρεμμάτων και καθορίστηκαν ακριβώς οι χώροι του γηπέδου, οι χώροι πρασίνου και οι οικοδομήσιμοι χώροι. Μετά την ψήφιση του νόμου και την υπογραφή του οριστικού συμφωνητικού τον Οκτώβριο του 2006 άρχισε η υλοποίηση του έργου με κύριες υποχρεώσεις για να ξεκινήσει το έργο: Την απόκτηση κυριότητας της γης από τον Δ.Α. Την έναρξη υλοποίησης των έργων υποδομής από την πολιτεία. Την εκπόνηση μελετών από την ΠΑΕ. Ιδιοκτησιακό/απαραίτητες άδειες για την κατασκευή του γηπέδου: Όσον αφορά το ιδιοκτησιακό, Το σύνολο της έκτασης των 200 στρεμμάτων του ενιαίου οικοπέδου περιέρχεται στο Δήμο Αθηναίων με τμηματικές αποκτήσεις. Σημειώνω σε αυτό το σημείο ότι σήμερα στη συνεδρίαση του Δημοτικού Συμβουλίου θα εγκριθεί η αγορά του οικοπέδου της Ε.Τ.Ε από το Δήμο Αθηναίων. Όσον αφορά τις άδειες, και με βάση τις μελέτες που ετοίμασε ήδη η ΠΑΕ πρέπει ο Δήμος Αθηναίων να προχωρήσει άμεσα στην διαδικασία έκδοσης των αδειών που είναι απαραίτητη προϋπόθεση για να ξεκινήσει η κατασκευή του Γηπέδου. Έργα υποδομής: Το συνολικό πρόγραμμα της Ανάπλασης του Βοτανικού περιλαμβάνει την υλοποίηση συγκεκριμένων έργων υποδομής. Τα έργα αυτά είναι Κυκλοφοριακά, Οδικά, και αφορούν και υποδομές. Για τα έργα υποδομής έγιναν πρόσφατα συναντήσεις με του αρμόδιους υπουργούς. Στο ΥΠΟΙΟ, ο υπουργός δεσμεύτηκε ότι θα χρηματοδοτήσει άμεσα, όλα τα έργα. Στο ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ, ο υπουργός συμφώνησε να γίνουν τα έργα σε 2 φάσεις και δεσμεύτηκε να στείλει επιστολή στο ΥΠΟΙΟ μέσα σε 15 μέρες. Τα έργα υποδομής που θα γίνουν στην πρώτη φάση είναι αυτά που φαίνονται στη διαφάνεια και είναι τα απαραίτητα έργα για να λειτουργήσει το γήπεδο. Χωροθέτηση Γηπέδου: Η ΠΑΕ ανέλαβε τις μελέτες του Γηπέδου και υπέβαλε σήμερα την πρώτη φάση των μελετών όπως είχε υποχρέωση. Η ολοκλήρωση των μελετών προβλέπεται να γίνει μέχρι το τέλος Φεβρουαρίου. Είναι σειρά τώρα του Δήμου να προχωρήσει άμεσα στην διαδικασία έκδοσης των αδειών όπως έχει υποχρέωση. Πράγματι μέχρι σήμερα έχουν γίνει σημαντικά βήματα και η συμβολή όλων ήταν καταλυτική. Σε αυτό το σημείο θέλω να αναφερθώ στη συμβολή της πρώην Δημάρχου Αθηναίων και νυν Υπουργού Εξωτερικών κ. Ντόρας Μπακογιάννη και να την ευχαριστήσω θερμά για τις προσπάθειες της στον αρχικό σχεδιασμό. Επιπλέον ευχαριστώ τον Δήμαρχο Αθηναίων κ. Μπεχράκη και τη Διοίκηση της Εταιρείας Ειδικού Σκοπού Διπλή Ανάπλαση Α.Ε για τις προσπάθειες που καταβάλλουν μέχρι σήμερα. Πρέπει να σας πω ότι ο νεοεκλεγείς Δήμαρχος Αθηναίων κ. Κακλαμάνης μας έχει διαβεβαιώσει ότι προτεραιότητα της νέας Δημοτικής Αρχής είναι η κατασκευή του Γηπέδου και τον ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων. Επίσης ευχαριστώ τον Υπουργό ΠΕΧΩΔΕ κ. Σουφλιά που προσωπικά ο ίδιος ασχολείται με τη δημιουργία του νέου γηπέδου και για τη καθοριστική συμβολή του στη νομοθετική ρύθμιση. Επιπλέον ευχαριστώ τον Υπουργό Οικονομίας και Οικονομικών για τη θετική συνδρομή του στη μέχρι σήμερα πορεία του έργου. Τέλος ευχαριστώ την Αξιωματική Αντιπολίτευση για την καθολική στήριξη στις μέχρι τώρα προσπάθειες μας και στη Βουλή και στο Δημοτικό Συμβούλιο του Δήμου Αθηναίων. Το έργο όμως είναι ακόμα στην αρχή του και έχουμε πολύ δρόμο να διανύσουμε μέχρι την κατασκευή και ολοκλήρωση του Νέου Γηπέδου. Χρειάζεται σχεδόν καθημερινή συνεργασία όλων των εμπλεκομένων φορέων ώστε να μη χαθεί ούτε μία μέρα.Η Ευρωπαϊκή πρακτική αστικών αναπλάσεων με επίκεντρο ποδοσφαιρικά γήπεδα:Το πρόγραμμα της ανάπλασης του Βοτανικού είναι παρόμοιο με τα προγράμματα αναπλάσεων που έγιναν ή γίνονται σε Ευρωπαϊκές πόλεις με επίκεντρο ποδοσφαιρικά γήπεδα. Χαρακτηριστικότερο παράδειγμα κοντά στη λογική του Παναθηναϊκού ήταν το νέο γήπεδο του Ajax στο Άμστερνταμ. Το νέο γήπεδο του Ajax έγινε σε μία υποβαθμισμένη περιοχή έξω από το Άμστερνταμ. Σήμερα η περιοχή αυτή έχει αλλάξει ριζικά, έχει υψηλό βιοτικό επίπεδο και σφύζει από ζωή".Στην συνέχεια ο κ. Σαμαράς προχώρησε στην οπτικοποιημένη παρουσίαση της μακέτας του νέου γηπέδου. "Θα ήθελα σε αυτό το σημείο να παρουσιάσω στον κόσμο του Παναθηναϊκού, σε εσάς και στο ελληνικό ποδόσφαιρο τα σχέδια του Νέου Γηπέδου. Θα ήθελα να δούμε μαζί το νέο γήπεδο. Εμείς στη διοίκηση του Παναθηναϊκού είμαστε υπερήφανοι για αυτό που θα σας παρουσιάσουμε σήμερα. Ας δούμε μαζί το νέο γήπεδο, χωρίς να σας μιλάω για λίγα δευτερόλεπτα. Αυτό είναι το νέο Γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού. Αυτό είναι το όραμα που τώρα γίνεται πραγματικότητα. Στόχος της μελέτης για το νέο γήπεδο του ΠΑΟ είναι να δημιουργήσουμε ενα γήπεδο αντάξιο της μεγάλης ομάδας μας και της ιστορίας της.Ένα γήπεδο όπως το ονειρεύεται κάθε φίλαθλος του ΠΑΟ. Ένα γήπεδο που θα είναι το καλύτερο στην Ελλάδα και ένα από τα καλύτερα γήπεδα της Ευρώπης. Τεχνικά χαρακτηριστικά: Το νέο γήπεδο έχει σχεδιαστεί με βάση τις πιο αυστηρές ευρωπαϊκές προδιαγραφές. Συγκεκριμένα σχεδιάστηκε να είναι αμιγώς ποδοσφαιρικό έτσι ώστε να δημιουργεί την ατμόσφαιρα της καυτής έδρας του Παναθηναϊκού. Δόθηκε ιδιαίτερη προσοχή και τηρούνται όλοι οι κανόνες ασφαλείας των φιλάθλων. Δόθηκε επίσης έμφαση στην άνεση της πρόσβασης, της κυκλοφορίας και στη λειτουργικότητα. Εξασφαλίστηκε η άριστη ορατότητα για κάθε θέση από οποιοδήποτε σημείο του γηπέδου. Τέθηκαν υψηλές προδιαγραφές για την ποιότητα και την αισθητική. Με μια λέξη το καλύτερο. Λάβαμε μέριμνα να χρησιμοποιηθούν σύγχρονες τεχνικές εξοικονόμησης ενέργειας σήμερα και στο μέλλον. Το Νέο Γήπεδο κατατάσσεται στην ανώτατη κατηγορία αξιολόγησης Γηπέδων της UEFA. H χωρητικότητα του γηπέδου είναι 40.000 θέσεις με δυνατότητα επέκτασης στις 50.000 θέσεις. Όλες οι θέσεις είναι σκεπαστές, καλύπτονται δηλαδή από στέγαστρο. Υπάρχουν τρία διαζώματα στις κερκίδες της Δυτικής και Ανατολικής εξέδρας και δύο διαζώματα στις κερκίδες της Βόρειας και Νότιας εξέδρας. Όλοι οι χώροι του γηπέδου είναι εύκολα προσβάσιμοι για Άτομα με Ειδικές Ανάγκες. Υπάρχουν ξεχωριστές θέσεις για την Οικογένεια και τα παιδιά.. Στο σχέδιο αυτό παρουσιάζεται η κατανομή των θέσεων στο γήπεδο ανά επίπεδο. Υπηρεσίες γηπέδου-Νέο γήπεδο:Υπάρχουν χώροι για φαγητό και ψυχαγωγία σε κάθε διάζωμα των κερκίδων και σε όλες τις εξέδρες. Κατάστημα με Προιόντα του Παναθηναϊκου. Ξεχωριστός χώρος για δημιουργία Μουσείου - Αίθουσας τροπαίων της Ομάδας. Ειδικοί χώροι για τη δημιουργία Sports bar και Sports cafe μέσα και έξω από το γήπεδο. Κλείνοντας ο κ. Σαμαράς τόνισε: "Τελειώνοντας πιστεύουμε ότι σήμερα δημιουργούμε το καλύτερο Γήπεδο στην Ελλάδα. Ένα από τα καλύτερα γήπεδα στην Ευρώπη. Η ομάδα μας, ο Παναθηναϊκός έχει σχεδόν έναν αιώνα ιστορίας. Με μεγάλη ευθύνη προς τους φιλάθλους μας, προς το ελληνικό ποδόσφαιρο και την Πολιτεία "χτίζουμε" το νέο γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού". Στην συνέχεια ο κ. Γιάννης Βαρδινογιάννης απάντησε σε ερωτήσεις δημοσιογράφων. Σχετικά με τον χρόνο αποπεράτωσης του έργου: "Έχουν ξεκινήσει διαδικασίες για να ολοκληρωθούν τα έργα υποδομής. Εφόσον αυτό ολοκληρωθεί σύντομα, αμέσως μετά την ολοκλήρωση της μελέτης (τέλος Φεβρουαρίου) θα είμαστε σε θέση να θέσουμε χρονοδιάγραμμα. Δεν είμαι ειδικός, αλλά τεχνικά θεωρώ πως ένα διάστημα ενάμιση χρόνου είναι αρκετό. Εξαρτάται πάντως από παράγοντες όπως το υπέδαφος, που είναι αστάθμητοι".Για την μη υπογραφή της σύμβασης μεταξύ του δήμου και του Ερασιτέχνη: "Μόλις ολοκληρωθούν οι κινήσεις απο τα εμπλεκόμενα Υπουργεία και οι μελέτες θα μπορούμε να πούμε με βεβαιότητα πότε θα ξεκινήσει το έργο. Το 2005 υπογράψαμε μνημόνιο συνεργασίας με τον Δήμο τόσο η ΠΑΕ όσο και ο Ερασιτέχνης, αν πάνε όλα καλά είναι τυπικό να υπογραφεί σε σύμβαση η συμφωνία και με τον Ερασιτέχνη. Να σας πω οτι υπάρχουν 5.000 τ.μ. για να καλυφθούν οι ανάγκες του Ερασιτέχνη, αυτό είναι απαραίτητη προϋπόθεση".Ενώ στην ερώτηση για το ανησυχεί για καθυστερήσεις που μπορεί να προέλθουν από προσφυγές στο συμβούλιο επικρατείας, απάντησε: "Το θέμα οφείλει να διαχειριστεί ο Δήμος Αθηναίων".

veronika check:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votanikos_Arena#New_Football_Venue_Information

Sorry still no translation-all I need for now are some basic fact if known.
1.When is proposed start date of actual construction works?
2. Has a construction company been appointed?
3. If none of the above is it a project currently open to tender?
4. Has the stadium specified a natural playing surface?
5. What is the overall budget for the delivery of the stadium project?
6. Will other construction be implemented around the stadium as previously mentioned for the creation of a PAO sports village if you like, i.e a basketball centre etc.?
7. What is currently the situation with leoforos(old stadium) is it in use for any purpose and when will it be demolished?
8. What is the orientation of the stadium from goal to goal n-s e-w?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can provide information on these questions. I apologise for not being able to read Greek although I can speak a little! And I hope to speak more fluently later!

I haven't the time to search it but if you want updates and info about the stadion check this thread in the H.A

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=10865232#post10865232

awesome

Today Panathinaikos delivered to municipality of Athens the final design of the stadion.

Here it is:

http://62.1.2.102/newspapers/2007/4/5/GOALNEWS_b.jpg

looks like the main and the opposte stand have got 3 tiers?

Yes just like the previous plans.

3 tiers to the main stands and 2 behind the goalposts.The capacity also remain the same,42.000 seats and it can be expanded to 50.000 seats.

upps :D
right
but the 2nd tier is very short
looks more like a Business tier like you can find in the Emirates or da Luz
and will it be built?
PAO, AEK and Galatasaray had so many stadium projects
but the result is the same...never built :(

is this definately going to happen then?

or is it just another dream?

is this definately going to happen then?

or is it just another dream?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229296&page=8

They have already started, clearing the site as we speak.

Beautiful but nothing so special. However, good for Panathinaikos, they needed it!

for greek soccer in general this is a step in the right direction i just hope pao can fill it week in and week out

The Euro 2004 champion needs it surely.

More render:

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070413/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_384947.JPG

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070413/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_384974.JPG

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070413/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_384976.JPG

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070413/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_384982.JPG

http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=5104&subid=2&pubid=472894

http://a16.g.akamai.net/7/16/30245/v1/contra.download.akamai.com/30245/newspapers/21042007/athlitiki_l.jpg

^^ The images from the above newspaper. I don't have scaner so i used my digi-cam.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9960/img0403fj2.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9800/img0404gd7.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0386ud3.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3534/img0396hw8.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2529/img0399gq9.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5623/img0400va2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6503/img0398vm2.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9283/img0402xz2.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7455/img0388yk9.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5177/img0389am2.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4480/img0390bm2.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/4808/img0391mk0.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7543/img0392bw0.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8843/img0393ia1.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1024/img0394rr8.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8453/img0395ex0.jpg

any pictures from the actual site of any progress

Its magnificant!

yeah, thats good looking

Nice stadium, the inside reminds me of the Drago abit with the flowing roof. I think the new anfield should be similar to this with one side being a full tier instead of 2, that being the Kop end

Votanikos 14-7-2007 by Morty13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6xdXYmJNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe40RxU4yUc
Update.

This stadium looks awesome, I love it.
Where is it located? In the city or in a suburban region?

Between the city center and the western suburbs.

Hi does anybody know if a construction company has been appointed yet to the main stadium?

What happened to all you guys did you go on holiday? Any updates appreciated on the construction of this stadium.

I think they are doing absolutely nothing. Maybe when summer ends they will start doing something/. I actually believe Valencia's New Mestalla will be built before it!

Here is video from last month on the construction:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xe40RxU4yUc

I ran out of patience so I went there myself to see and find out what is happening. Well only around 60% of the total site is cleared with no foundation work started. I am told that actual work will not start for two months. I.E. it will not be a construction site until October at the earliest.
The absolute earliest a ball will be kicked at this stadium is June 2009.

I think they are doing absolutely nothing. Maybe when summer ends they will start doing something/. I actually believe Valencia's New Mestalla will be built before it!

Here is video from last month on the construction:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xe40RxU4yUc

The video shows the construction site of the shopping centre next to proposed new stadium not stadium itself. The stadium construction is not allowed to start until the tender process has been completed and a construction company appointed and contracts signed. At the moment that will be November at the earliest.

Really? What about this?

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH4.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH3.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH2.jpg

12/09/2007:

12/09/2007

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH4.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH3.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q123/firevagblade/PANATH2.jpg

....

I used a old area planning (its nearly the same as the new one) to show how the area will be used.

http://i1.tinypic.com/6buwd8i.jpg


The New One (so you can compare):

http://i4.tinypic.com/66b7atu.jpg

I am involved with this project so I should know!:bash: That is not the stadium it is a shopping centre, the stadium is 150m east of that site nextdoor:lol:

Are they still building the basket ball stadium aswell?

Yes, but i think after the football stadium.

I am involved with this project so I should know!:bash: That is not the stadium it is a shopping centre, the stadium is 150m east of that site nextdoor:lol:

What? Who? Where?

http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/thumbnails/400_gipedo_31.jpg

PANATHINAIKOS WILL WAIT UNTIL SEASON 2009/10 TO RELOCATE

In the start of period 2009/10 will be the ready to use new ground of Panathinaikos in Botanic, as declared in the SportDay Newspaperthe chairman of Company of Special Aim, Theodore Mpehrakis. "It should we place a realistic timetable. Be ready that is to say the work the summertime 2009. we have run too much", it stressed. Presses the PAE Panathinaikos with all her forces and from each possible side in order to do not exist new delays.

The summertime 2009 is expected to be the ready to use new ground of Panathinaikos in Botanic. Despite the efforts to celebrate the "green" 100 years from their foundation in their new house, the delays that were marked him they allow and the Panathinaikos will fight there from season 2009/10, as confirmed with his statements in the "SportDay" and the chairman of Company of Special Aim, Theodore Mpehrakis.

"It becomes the ground in 2008 is unfeasable. For this it should we place a realistic timetable. Objective is is delivered the ground in the Panathinaikos for the fighting period 2009-10. is ready that is to say the work the summertime 2009. Everywhere, in each country, from the idea of manufacture of ground until it becomes and it is given for use, they need almost five years. We we have run too much", it declared the Theodore Mpehrakis. Follows analytically his interview in the "SportDay":
According to the actual data when you appreciate that they will begin the work?

"We cannot him say this now. Him we will know perhaps in 10i'mero. Now we determine the years. It should we know when will be published the authorisation of construction and who will be the contractor in order to we say something with certainty".
How many probabilities you give does undertake the Panathinaikos the financing and, if he happens, how many will help?

"Whether it will undertake the Panathinaikos the financing has still not been decided. Exist a lot of probabilities. It depends how will be shaped the final proposal. If in any case it happens something the such work certainly will run more fast".

Which are the bigger problems that delay the work?

"Exist the studies of MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS on the work of infrastructure. So much the proclamation, the study what the entrusting require a lot of time. Certain processes it does not become they are exceeded. The technical adviser then will be supposed, when she immediately completes a piece for the ground, him to send in the MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS for approval so that is not lost time. He is many, but important questions".

Do expropriations worry you as well?

"For quite some time have become contacts with the householders of certain small enterprises. In such cases try the two sides for consensus expropriation, because, if we go differently and become constantly objections, will be lost months... We currently have minimal objections. If all go well, in 3-4 months we will have almost xemperde'bej with this subject. Also, apart from the big building of ETMA the remainder space, regarding the demolitions, has cleaned to a large extent".

The administration of PAE Panathinaikos and Yannis Vadinogiannis they practise pressures via each responsible institution so that do not exist new delays, something that is not allocated to allow. Shortly will exist new meeting of with the mayor Athenians, Nikitas Kaklamanis, and perhaps and with minister PEHWDE, Giorgos Souflias, in order to "run" the developments.


^^ The above article is taken from Sport-fm.gr and translated using Babelfish. Before I post it I made some corrections.

This is the actual article http://www.sport-fm.gr/news.jsp?newsID=102831

I read in some forums that there is even a possibility that the whole project is cancelled.

This stadium may continue being Panathinaikos Arena:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040830/olympics/closing/images/cl5.jpg

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040830/olympics/closing/images/cl5.jpg

What a shame.

You know man the case is stuck in the Greek bureaucracy...

I read in some forums that there is even a possibility that the whole project is cancelled.
Cancelled by whom?
Show me where did you read it, the link.

What a shame.
Don't believe everything what you read.

Is Theodoros Mpehrakis lying???

http://www.sport-fm.gr/news.jsp?newsID=102831


Αργεί η μετακόμιση
Στο ξεκίνημα της περιόδου 2009/10 θα είναι έτοιμο προς χρήση το νέο γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού στον Βοτανικό, όπως δήλωσε στη «SportDay» ο πρόεδρος της Εταιρείας Ειδικού Σκοπού, Θοδωρής Μπεχράκης. «Πρέπει να θέσουμε ένα ρεαλιστικό χρονοδιάγραμμα. Να είναι έτοιμο δηλαδή το έργο το καλοκαίρι του 2009. Έχουμε τρέξει πάρα πολύ», τόνισε. Πιέζει η ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός με όλες τις δυνάμεις της και από κάθε δυνατή πλευρά για να μην υπάρξουν νέες καθυστερήσεις. Λάμψη Ν’Ντόι στη φιλική νίκη με 2-0 επί του Ηλυσιακού. Έτοιμος με ΠΑΟΚ ο Καραγκούνης, αμφίβολος ο Γκούμας, δύσκολα θα προλάβει ο Ενακαρίρε. Αργεί η επιστροφή του Νίνη, ο οποίος εξακολουθεί να έχει πόνους στους κοιλιακούς.

Σπίτι του το 2009

Το καλοκαίρι του 2009 αναμένεται να είναι έτοιμο προς χρήση το νέο γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού στον Βοτανικό. Παρά τις προσπάθειες να γιορτάσουν οι «πράσινοι» τα 100 χρόνια από την ίδρυσή τους στο νέο τους σπίτι, οι καθυστερήσεις που σημειώθηκαν δεν το επιτρέπουν και ο Παναθηναϊκός θα αγωνίζεται εκεί από τη σεζόν 2009/10, όπως επιβεβαίωσε με δηλώσεις του στη «SportDay» και ο πρόεδρος της Εταιρείας Ειδικού Σκοπού, Θοδωρής Μπεχράκης.

«Το να γίνει το γήπεδο το 2008 είναι ανέφικτο. Γι' αυτό πρέπει να θέσουμε ένα ρεαλιστικό χρονοδιάγραμμα. Στόχος είναι να παραδοθεί το γήπεδο στον Παναθηναϊκό για την αγωνιστική περίοδο 2009-10. Να είναι έτοιμο δηλαδή το έργο το καλοκαίρι του 2009. Παντού, σε κάθε χώρα, από την ιδέα κατασκευής ενός γηπέδου μέχρι να γίνει και να δοθεί για χρήση, χρειάζονται σχεδόν πέντε χρόνια. Εμείς έχουμε τρέξει πάρα πολύ», δήλωσε ο Θοδωρής Μπεχράκης. Ακολουθεί αναλυτικά η συνέντευξή του στη «SportDay»:

•Με βάση τα τωρινά δεδομένα πότε εκτιμάτε ότι θα ξεκινήσουν τα έργα;

«Δεν μπορούμε να το πούμε αυτό τώρα. Θα το γνωρίζουμε ίσως σε ένα 10ήμερο. Τώρα προσδιορίζουμε τους χρόνους. Πρέπει να ξέρουμε πότε θα εκδοθεί η άδεια ανέγερσης και ποιος θα είναι ο ανάδοχος για να πούμε κάτι με σιγουριά».

•Πόσες πιθανότητες δίνετε να αναλάβει ο Παναθηναϊκός τη χρηματοδότηση και, αν συμβεί, πόσο θα βοηθήσει;

«Το αν θα αναλάβει ο Παναθηναϊκός τη χρηματοδότηση δεν έχει αποφασιστεί ακόμα. Υπάρχουν πολλές πιθανότητες. Εξαρτάται πώς θα είναι διαμορφωμένη η τελική πρόταση. Αν πάντως συμβεί κάτι τέτοιο το έργο ασφαλώς θα τρέξει πιο γρήγορα».

•Ποια είναι τα μεγαλύτερα προβλήματα που καθυστερούν το έργο;

«Υπάρχουν οι μελέτες του ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ για τα έργα υποδομής. Τόσο η προκήρυξη, η μελέτη όσο και η ανάθεση απαιτούν πολύ χρόνο. Κάποιες διαδικασίες δεν γίνεται να ξεπεραστούν. Ο τεχνικός σύμβουλος κατόπιν θα πρέπει, όταν ολοκληρώνει ένα ένα κομμάτι για το γήπεδο, άμεσα να το στέλνει στο ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ για έγκριση ώστε να μη χάνεται χρόνος. Είναι πολλά, αλλά σημαντικά ζητήματα».

•Οι απαλλοτριώσεις επίσης σας ανησυχούν;

«Εδώ και καιρό έχουν γίνει επαφές με τους ιδιοκτήτες κάποιων μικρών επιχειρήσεων. Σε τέτοιες περιπτώσεις προσπαθούν οι δύο πλευρές για συναινετική απαλλοτρίωση, διότι, αν πάμε διαφορετικά και γίνονται συνέχεια ενστάσεις, θα χαθούν μήνες... Έχουμε ελάχιστες αντιρρήσεις προς το παρόν. Αν όλα πάνε καλά, σε 3-4 μήνες θα έχουμε σχεδόν ξεμπερδέψει με αυτό το θέμα. Επίσης, εκτός από το μεγάλο κτίριο της ΕΤΜΑ ο υπόλοιπος χώρος, σε ό,τι αφορά τις κατεδαφίσεις, έχει καθαρίσει σε μεγάλο βαθμό».

Η διοίκηση της ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός και ο Γιάννης Βαρδινογιάννης ασκούν πιέσεις μέσω κάθε αρμόδιου φορέα προκειμένου να μην υπάρξουν νέες καθυστερήσεις, κάτι που δεν είναι διατεθειμένοι να επιτρέψουν. Σύντομα θα υπάρξει νέα συνάντηση του «Τζίγκερ» με τον δήμαρχο Αθηναίων, Νικήτα Κακλαμάνη, και ίσως και με τον υπουργό ΠΕΧΩΔΕ, Γιώργο Σουφλιά, για να «τρέξουν» οι εξελίξεις.

No matter what you think, you should show respect to every other member of the forum and do not try offend them.

Is Theodoros Mpehrakis lying???

http://www.sport-fm.gr/news.jsp?newsID=102831

It seems that the one who is lying is you, no one else.

You said:

I read in some forums that there is even a possibility that the whole project is cancelled.
... and i asked you:

"Cancelled by whom?
Show me where did you read it, the link."

Instead of giving the links and provide proofs about what you said (the cancellation of the project) you post the same link you had posted before (the one from sport-fm).
Which is an interview of the ex-mayor of Athens saying that the new stadium will be ready around 2009-2010.

This stadium may continue being Panathinaikos Arena:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040830/olympics/closing/images/cl5.jpg
In case you don't know,Panathinaikos stoped playing in the olympic stadion. Now is playing to his old ground "Leoforos" until his new stadion be built.

As for this:

No matter what you think, you should show respect to every other member of the forum and do not try offend them.
Nice try, but you choose wrong way to back-up your arguments. Stop acting like a victim cause you are not.
Anyway, if you have the nerve show me where i disrespected you and where i tried to offend you.

Me a victim?Hey man you are uncpable of making someone and especially me f eel like a victim.

Can u read greek?
Check this out http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14&start=2950 the third post from the end by exitmusician and find a good place to hide :lol:

Min ksineis panta eks idiou ta alotria :ohno:

^^ It seems that you have a behaviour problem. Not only you like to making-up stories but you are rude aswell.
I remember when i created the Nicosia thread in the H.A and your post which followed mine.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=434172

I said to myself: "Who is this guy? What a nonsense post"

Now i understand.

No matter what you think, you should show respect to every other member of the forum and do not try offend them.
Nice try, but you choose wrong way to back-up your arguments. Stop acting like a victim cause you are not.
Anyway, if you have the nerve show me where i disrespected you and where i tried to offend you.

...and this is your reply:

Me a victim?Hey man you are uncpable of making someone and especially me f eel like a victim.
No comments.


Can u read greek?
Check this out http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic...=14&start=2950 (http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14&start=2950) the third post from the end by exitmusician and find a good place to hide :lol:
If i were you and re-read what i wrote i wouldn't laugh.

a) "exitmusician" is a simple user of the internet just like me, you and millions of others. He is not working for Panathinaikos or the Municipality of Athens.

b) He is just expressing his oppinion just like me, you and millions of others.

c) His comments is about the interview of the ex-mayor of Athens on sport-fm. The same interview you have already posted here twice.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/news.jsp?newsID=102831

d) and as i said earlier "Which is an interview of the ex-mayor of Athens saying that the new stadium will be ready around 2009-2010."

Min ksineis panta eks idiou ta alotria :ohno:
It's "Min krineis eks idion ta allotria"

"Μην κρίνεις εξ ιδίων τα αλλότρια"



Btw, a guy named Drogba, do you know him?

The 1 of the 2 shopping malls of the Votanikos project will be ready in 2009

VOTANIKOS SHOPPING MALL IN GREECE SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION IN 2009

PRESS RELEASE BVIC SA has completed the demolition of the existing buildings on the Votanikos site, and has already started with its excavation. The Company has made significant progress on the project having received the demolition and excavation permits as well as approval from the Athens National Heritage. With its actions the Municipality of Athens is setting the foundations for the regeneration of Votanikos, on the land plot 45-46-50, where the stadium of PAE Panathinaikos is relocating. The land plot neighbouring 45-46-50 is land plot 45a, which belongs to BVIC SA.


The Votanikos shopping mall, located in South West Athens, nearly 3 km from the city centre, will incorporate approximately 69,000 sqm of gross lettable area as well as 3,000 parking spaces, making it the largest shopping mall in Greece. It is scheduled for completion in the first half of 2009 with expected total land and construction costs of circa Eur 250 million. The Votanikos shopping mall and the 340 Syggrou Avenue commercial centre -which is expected to be completed in June 2008-, are anticipated to generate Eur 40 million in annual rental revenue for the first year. These developments significantly increase the scale of the Group’s activity in the retail sector, consistently with the Group’s expansion strategy. The Group is also expanding into the tourist development sector where it has two large projects in its pipeline that will consist of over 36,000 sqm of gross lettable area on land plots of 131,000 sqm.


Babis Vovos, Chairman of BVIC SA said ‘We are delighted with the progress made on the Votanikos shopping mall and the approvals we have received from the local authorities. We anticipate strong demand from occupiers given the mall’s critical mass and location, as well as the scarcity of prime retail development in Greece. We are confident in the success of the shopping mall which is set to be a premier retail destination located next to the heart of Athens’ city centre.’
http://www.babisvovos.gr/uploads/property_portfolio/gallery/AgiasAnnis_Ag.Polykarpou_big.jpg

Text and image from www.babisvovos.gr (http://www.babisvovos.gr)

These two malls are included in the Panthinaikos Stadium project?

I thought it would be one mall.Do you know about the gross leasable area they would offer?

Yes 2 malls, both for Votanikos. 1 by the construction company "Babis Vovos" and the other by the municipality of Athens.
The mall of the municipality will be around 40-50k sq.m of gla.
The mall of Babis Vovos will be 69k sq.m of gla.

^^ It seems that you have a behaviour problem. Not only you like to making-up stories but you are rude aswell.
I remember when i created the Nicosia thread in the H.A and your post which followed mine.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=434172

I said to myself: "Who is this guy? What a nonsense post"

Now i understand.




...and this is your reply:


No comments.



If i were you and re-read what i wrote i wouldn't laugh.

a) "exitmusician" is a simple user of the internet just like me, you and millions of others. He is not working for Panathinaikos or the Municipality of Athens.

b) He is just expressing his oppinion just like me, you and millions of others.
I m not exitmusicians grandma and i don't know what he is or what he does for a living.
c) His comments is about the interview of the ex-mayor of Athens on sport-fm. The same interview you have already posted here twice.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/news.jsp?newsID=102831

d) and as i said earlier "Which is an interview of the ex-mayor of Athens saying that the new stadium will be ready around 2009-2010."


It's "Min krineis eks idion ta allotria"

"Μην κρίνεις εξ ιδίων τα αλλότρια"

OK, Mr. Mpampiniotis

Btw, a guy named Drogba, do you know him?


I know Drogba.



So, if I am ''It seems that you have a behaviour problem. Not only you like to making-up stories but you are rude aswell.'' what you say why u keep on writing posts about me and analysing my behaviour and every single word i wrote?

Maybe I am a ray of light in your boring life...:lol:

Polish stadium site about the new stadium

http://stadiony.net/project.php?p=112

http://stadiony.net/projects/votanikos_arena/votanikos_arena04.jpg

http://stadiony.net/projects/votanikos_arena/votanikos_arena01.jpg

Interesting article about how the economic miracle by Arsenal and thier new stadium can be an example for AEK and Panathinaikos

http://www.phantis.gr/news/read.html?newsID=2007092575409

The article is in greek but i will transate it soon

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/london/london_emirates1.jpghttp://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_panathinaikos1.jpg


Οικονομικό θαύμα


To άρθρο έχει επιμεληθεί και τον ευχαριστώ ο έγκριτος συνάδελφος Γιώργος Νασμής

Νέο γήπεδο σημαίνει περισσότερα έσοδα για την ομάδα και επομένως περισσότερες επενδύσεις για μεταγραφές. Πώς να μη χαμογελάει ο Αρσέν Βενγκέρ με φόντο τις κερκίδες της νέας έδρας της Άρσεναλ; Ιδού λοιπόν ο δρόμος για Παναθηναϊκό και ΑΕΚ
Νέο γήπεδο σημαίνει περισσότερα έσοδα για την ομάδα και επομένως περισσότερες επενδύσεις για μεταγραφές. Πώς να μη χαμογελάει ο Αρσέν Βενγκέρ με φόντο τις κερκίδες της νέας έδρας της Άρσεναλ; Ιδού λοιπόν ο δρόμος για Παναθηναϊκό και ΑΕΚ
Άρσεναλ: το πρότυπο για τον Παναθηναϊκό και την ΑΕΚ όσον αφορά το πώς μπορούν να σημειώσουν εντυπωσιακά άλματα στα έσοδά τους από τα γήπεδα που θα κατασκευάσουν σε Βοτανικό και Άνω Λιόσια.
Το νέο γήπεδο που κατασκεύασε η Άρσεναλ στο Άσμπερτον Γκρόουβ, το οποίο παραδόθηκε πέρυσι τον Ιούλιο, μετέτρεψε τον άλλοτε παραπαίοντα οικονομικά σύλλογο στην πλουσιότερη ομάδα της Βρετανίας! Το οικονομικό θαύμα που επιτεύχθηκε σε διάστημα 10 μηνών οφείλεται με βάση τους αριθμούς κατά 50% στα έσοδα που απέφερε το νέο στάδιο στην Άρσεναλ.
Όπως ανακοινώθηκε χθες, τα συνολικά έσοδα των «κανονιέρηδων» εκτοξεύτηκαν στα 288,2 εκατ. ευρώ παρουσιάζοντας αύξηση περίπου 50% σε σχέση με το προηγούμενο οικονομικό έτος, ενώ τα κέρδη έφτασαν τα 73,4 εκατ. ευρώ προσαυξημένα κατά 274% από την αντίστοιχη περυσινή περίοδο!
Το νέο γήπεδο στο Άσμπερτον Γκρόουβ αποφέρει στην Άρσεναλ σε κάθε αγώνα έσοδα 4,4 εκατ. ευρώ, φτάνοντας τα 129,9 εκατ. ευρώ μέχρι τον περασμένο Μάιο.
Το οικονομικό θαύμα της Άρσεναλ, που την κατατάσσει στην πρώτη θέση μεταξύ των βρετανικών ομάδων - τουλάχιστον μέχρι τη στιγμή που θα ανακοινώσει η Μάντσεστερ Γιουνάιτεντ τα δικά της οικονομικά αποτελέσματα- και στη δεύτερη στον κόσμο πίσω από τη Ρεάλ Μαδρίτης, της επιτρέπει να διαθέτει ρευστότητα που φτάνει τα 100 εκατ. ευρώ, τα οποία μπορεί να χρησιμοποιήσει ο προπονητής της Αρσέν Βενγκέρ για μεταγραφές όποτε εκείνος κρίνει πως είναι απαραίτητο.
Ο Κιθ Έντελμαν, διευθύνων σύμβουλος του αγγλικού συλλόγου, που εξελίσσεται σε πρότυπο τόσο στον οικονομικό όσο και στον αγωνιστικό τομέα, με την ανάδειξη νέων ταλαντούχων παικτών και την ταυτόχρονη παραμονή της ομάδας στην ελίτ του ευρωπαϊκού ποδοσφαίρου, έκανε γνωστό πως ο Βενγκέρ αν και είχε στη διάθεσή του πολλά χρήματα για μεταγραφές το καλοκαίρι, αυτός προτίμησε να μην τα ξοδέψει. Τη στιγμή που το μεγάλο αστέρι Τιερί Ανρί εγκατέλειπε το Λονδίνο, ο Αλσατός προπονητής προτίμησε να τον αντικαταστήσει με τους... Φαμπιάνσκι, Σανιά, Ντα Σίλβα και Λασανά Ντιαρά.
Ο Έντελμαν ξεκαθάρισε επίσης πως η διοίκηση της Άρσεναλ με τη βοήθεια των οπαδών της δεν θα επιτρέψει στον Ρώσο Άλισερ Ουσμάνοφ και τον Αμερικανό Σταν Κρούνκε να πάρουν στα χέρια τους την πλειοψηφία των μετοχών, γιατί ο σύλλογος δεν έχει ανάγκη από ξένα κεφάλαια τα οποία μακροπρόθεσμα θα τον εγκλωβίσουν. Ο πρώτος κατέχει αυτή τη στιγμή το 21% των μετοχών και ο δεύτερος το 11,26%, ενώ οι διοικούντες τον σύλλογο το 45,5%.
Εντύπωση προκαλεί η τοποθέτηση του προέδρου της Άρσεναλ Πίτερ Χιλ-Γουντ για τα μελλοντικά κέρδη της: «Οι μέτοχοι δεν πρέπει να περιμένουν αυξημένα κέρδη. Κι αυτό γιατί η διοίκηση συνεχίζει να πιστεύει πως η καλύτερη πολιτική για τον σύλλογο είναι η επανεπένδυση των κερδών για την ανάπτυξη της ομάδας».

:banana:

So, if I am ''It seems that you have a behaviour problem. Not only you like to making-up stories but you are rude aswell.'' what you say why u keep on writing posts about me and analysing my behaviour and every single word i wrote?

Maybe I am a ray of light in your boring life...:lol:
^^ The usual childish and rude behavior of Drogba.

How many times have they banned you already, 6? 7? 8? I thing it's 8. Am i right?

Great News!!!

Panathinaikos FC announced today that they will fully undertake the cost of the construction of the stadium instead of the Municipality of Athens. This practically means that there will not need to be a tender/ call for an international competition and construction may begin right away. In any opposite case there would have been a delay of an estimated one year and a half.

Anyway, I don't know much about stadia and I haven't been precise in what I wrote above, which is a quick pickup from what I heard in the TV news. today.

However, we have all the indications that the PAO FC stadium construction in going on full throttle, and so is the double regeneration of the Alexandras Avenue area where the old stadium is, as well as the regeneration of the Elaionas area which is the biggest post-Olympic games project. Not to forget that next to the stadium "Babis Vovos International Constructions" are already building the new large 70,000sq-metre leasable space mall, some 25%+ larger than the Mall Athens...

So, expect lots of activity from the area in the coming months... :)

I saw the sames things on the news...

stunning!!!!!!!!!!!

This Is the Final Design Of the Stadium:

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070405/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_382922.JPG

http://i19.tinypic.com/53zck5j.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/61kf0j4.jpg

Enjoy!

Is Panthinaikos more popular than Olympiakos?

^

Lol no idea. I think Aek, Panathinaikos and Olympiakos have amount of fans.



But If u look at the Stadium Capability its another story:

New Aek arena (50, 000 seats, it will probably have the option of expansion)

New Panathinaikos arena (Votanikos) (42 000, can be expanded to 50 000- 55 000)

Olympiakos Stadium (karaiskaki): 33 000

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Olympiakos has a pretty small stadium for a team that's constantly playing in the Champions League.

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Olympiakos has a pretty small stadium for a team that's constantly playing in the Champions League.


Well Olympiakos should had thought about that earlier.

Olympaikos built their stadium in record time (14 months) for the olympics and thus had a rushed design and smaller capacity. Plus they found some sand deep under the stadium afterwards which means any deeper foundations for a bigger extended capacity are very difficult. Many OSFP fans have stated dissatisfaction about not being able to see CL games live. OSFP could easily fill 60,000 seats for a CL game or Derby. The Piraeus team are extremely well supported.

As for Kamfy's question, Oympiakos is the biggest supported club in Greece:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams

Behind them is Panathinaikos, than AEK and then usually PAOK Thessaloniki.

ΤO Μάρτιο του 2008 θα ξεκινήσουν τα έργα για την ανέγερση του νέου γηπέδου του Παναθηναϊκού, όπως ανακοινώθηκε μετά τη συνάντηση που έγινε χθες το μεσημέρι ανάμεσα στη δημοτική αρχή και τους ανθρώπους του Ερασιτέχνη Παναθηναϊκού


http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/stat...27/1444324.htm
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Construction on the stadium itself will start in March. However, the area around it (mall etc.) Will be begining construction earlier.

I understand that, by why the small font?

Is Panthinaikos more popular than Olympiakos?

Actually Olympiakos is more popular than both Panathinaikos and AEK. They have more fans than any other club in Greece.:cheers:

The stadium they have is small for a number of reasons ranging from short sightedness of the club to lack of time available to build the stadium.

Can they expand it? I mean it looks like they could just remove the roof and add a 2nd ring.

They found sand under the stadium when they dug (Faliro is a coastal suburb (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/1555472004_9feb045102_o.jpg)), they cannot build anything higher as the foundations will not take it. They are hoping to add 4000 seats by lowering the pitch slightly but even that is not easy. It is a shame because in a CL game or Derby, Olympiakos could fill 60000 seats and still have people annoyed at missing the game. Olympiakos is hugely supported. 8000 fans went to watch OSFP play Lazio in Rome last weds:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9717/23200228jh0.jpg

That's true but Olympiacos have a modern football ground and the fans don't have any problems with the team owner...

Also, saying that Olympiacos is more popular than both Panathinaikos and Aek is obviously wrong. Panathinaikos is the biggest team of Athens and Olympiacos is the biggest team of Pireaus. Go figure ;)

Unfortunately Piraeus is no longer considered a separate city officially. So in the greater athens area, Olympiakos is the most supported, and the most supported in Greece.

they counld dehidrate/freeze the ground, its expensive but possible.

Sounds interesting ^^

What is sad is that no provision was made for expansion.

This is a forum for stadiums not a very boring:bash: and pointless:bash: debate about which is best football team as we all know, we all think the team we support is best:bash:
Who has the biggest support:bash: pointless.
As for Olympiacos stadium its an excellent example of a mid sized stadium with great facilities sight lines and atmosphere. We all know about the foundations and the limited expansion options so again pointless debate.
I know AEK and PAO will be of similar excellence and the winner is Athens with 4 excellent stadia.:banana:
All those with latest development news please post all those who just want to talk about football please visit a football site and have your pointless argument there.

Amazing post, perhaps the only one which 100% adds nothing new to a debate about any stadium. How did you achieve it? I am impressed!

Unfortunately Piraeus is no longer considered a separate city officially. So in the greater athens area, Olympiakos is the most supported, and the most supported in Greece.


Here's another one that adds nothing to the debate about stadiums:lol:

regarding karaiskaki stadium it provides a good atmosphere for all the games oly plays in, although it is 33,000 this is enough, sure oly can fill 60 000 in derbys and champions league but what about for the majority of games against the likes of asteras, xanthi stuff like that, so when u watch highlights u always notice oly always gets over 25000 fans which better then playing in a big stadium with all the empty seats, anyways whats the deal with the pao stadium

Here's another one that adds nothing to the debate about stadiums:lol:

Actually it does, if piraeus is considered a seperate city to athens, we can use the karaiskaki for any future euro bid. :)

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430612_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430842_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430661_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430454_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430789_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196681283_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196681454_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430898_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430403_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430261_big.jpg

http://www.arishellas.com/eng/projects/edit.php?type=09&rid=118&action=edit&start=0&isel=0

any talks about any naming rights?

^^ The National Bank Of Greece (NBG) is offering to Panathinaikos 10 mil. euros per year for the naming of the stadion.

http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=10534&subid=2&tag=7713&pubid=658031

so what would be the name? National bank of greece stadium? that would suck lol.

N.B.G Arena sucks also

I love it.
The interior aswell as the exterior, just perfect.
The best project I've seen in years.

Great design!

At least when this stadium gets done in 2035 the 8,000 fans who actually go see PAO play football can see them play in an actual stadium as opposed to the sorry excuse for a stadium they play in now....

I do not want to sour the discussion, but to it seems that the similarity with the Portuguese stadiums is uncanny. Also, looks a little like Telstra stadium. I think stadiums like that look somewhat cold; I think something like Aris, Ajax (without top), or Fenerbace stadium would make it better, especially considering that Greek funs tend to be fairly passionate.

I do not want to sour the discussion, but to it seems that the similarity with the Portuguese stadiums is uncanny. Also, looks a little like Telstra stadium. I think stadiums like that look somewhat cold; I think something like Aris, Ajax (without top), or Fenerbace stadium would make it better, especially considering that Greek funs tend to be fairly passionate.

Because it is the same Architect :D
Why FB stadium? Actually FB stadium is a "unplaned" stadium.
Endzone stands were of an old project. During conctruction they changed it. Therefore it has got some faults.

guys the stadium is awesome it may be similar to Portugal and other stadiums but it is unique..check everything..even the design is different..comparisons are inevitable i know ..but stadium designs have quite a standardized form..

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430842_big.jpg
looks like a new arena is also planned?

Amazing project and very good looking stadium!

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430842_big.jpg
looks like a new arena is also planned?

basically i think you are right..they are planning a basketball arena as well i think..

Why?
You already have 2 big ones

so what would be the name? National bank of greece stadium? that would suck lol.

N.B.G Arena sucks also
If the 2 sides come to an agreement (which is the most likely) propably it will named "National Arena" (source: Eleftherotypia newspaper).

Why?
You already have 2 big ones

Yeah true..and they use the Olympic one which imo is the best..hmm i think KONSTANTINOUPOLIS knows better to be honest

http://www.arishellas.com/images/projects/118/1196430842_big.jpg
looks like a new arena is also planned?
The new home of Panathinaikos BC will start bulding on 2010-2011. This place up there is either the area of PAO BC or the area of the municipality of Athens. The municipality will built there the new town hall of Athens + shopping center.

So what?
A new Arena for the Basketball section?
I am a lil bit confused :D

Look how it goes, Panathinaikos complex = Football stadion (construction starts march 2008) + Babis Vovos shopping center (u/c) + Municipality of Athens new town hall and shopping center + Basketball arena (construction starts 2010/2011).

Ok, thanks.
Whats the capacity of the Sports Hall?
And what will happend to the big one?

emm..

Sercen:

If i was the Guy who controls the Basket ball venue. I would destroy it and rebuild it and the Same i would do with the olympic swimming pool. Cause they are just ugly

emm..

Sercen:

If i was the Guy who controls the Basket ball venue. I would destroy it and rebuild it and the Same i would do with the olympic swimming pool. Cause they are just ugly

lol have you been inside?where r u from btw?

Maybe they are ugly, but still great venues.

I live in Athens, Greece. The were sopposed to remove the old cadling, and give them a new cadling for olympics, due to funds that was cancelled.

nice stadium

Panathinaikos New Stadium, is amazing, I cant wait till they Finish building it. As soon as they finish it, I will give u a photo tour of the stadium.

^^ Before they finish building it.... they need to START building it!! :cheers:

^^, word is they will start in march.,

and another delayed stadium surprise surprise surprise, high hopes and near misses try 2011:bash:

and another delayed stadium surprise surprise surprise, high hopes and near misses try 2011:bash:

I think you are a messenger of delay of football stadium but no thanks for that kind of news :lol::lol::lol:

Its not so funny when all these delays affect me directly!

How do they effect u directly?

How do they effect u directly?

Because if you look at my posts carefully you will see i work in stadiums, they my life and this is one of my projects and like 3 others its delayed which affects me directly

So what is the latest official excuse to why the building works have not started? What are they 'waiting for' now? What signature?

The latest is that Vengo wants it to be 50k

http://62.1.2.102/newspapers/2008/4/30/CAT_b.jpg

50, 000

so how will this effect the look of the stadium?

lol. They will never fill this stadium. They have the worst fans of Greece's top three teams....

50, 000

so how will this effect the look of the stadium?

It won't. All Vengo wants is the 50k option that the 42k option is built to accommodate anyway. Very little will change.

so glad the architects focussed on the architecture of the building rather than making some sort of "pop culture" statement ala allianz arena.

More infos and new renders later today.

27/5/08 Yesterday from the official Panathinaikos:

- Mid-end June 2008 the excavations begin.

- Until early August 2008 the company who is change for the naming of the stadion should has find the companies that are willing to pay for the naming of the stadion. 2 are the main candidates.

- December 2008 main building construction begin.

- Summer of 2010 the stadion is completed.

http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/gi/gipedo5_2008_5_28_16_31_10_b.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/gi/gipedo4_2008_5_28_16_30_27_b.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/gi/gipedo3_2008_5_28_16_29_49_b.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/gi/gipedo2_2008_5_28_16_28_39_b.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/gi/gipedo1_2008_5_28_16_27_34_b.jpg

www.sport24.gr (http://www.sport24.gr) via Supersport TV

Btw, the thread title is wrong. The capacity of the stadion is 42k (expandable to 50k) not 40k.

Nice to see it finally start.
Seats will be bright and dark green like in 4th pic or black and white like in 2nd pic?

Yes the seats will be light and dark green exactly like the 4th pic. The 2nd pic is an old version of the seats.

looks like the drago which is no bad thing! would be nice to see the capacity increase sooner rather than later, but i love the seat colours!

A little pity that they are not ambitious enough to go right to 50K :). Anyway congratulations to Panathinaikos and their fans!

what happened to the arena next to the stadium?

Guys, one of the main shareholder of the club wants (according to a sport newspapers) the stadion to be build directly 50k, so who knows maybe they build it 50k in the first place :dunno:

Carrerra, even though i am not Panathinaikos fan thanks for the wishes :D

what happened to the arena next to the stadium?
2010/11/12 they will start bulding it.

what will be the capacity?

Lately i heard around 10k but i am not sure, maybe i am wrong.

Is this really the current playing ground for Panathinaikos? Oh my God that's not a playing ground for humans! That's for ghosts!

I haven't seen something like that in my life. It's wonder that it didn't collape. I'm serious.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/495861874_d0049535c5_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/374863446_c930b857f2_b.jpg

The old arena will be transformed into a Park, hopefully they will keep the "tomb"

(a basketball arena, Located underground, in a river channel, which doesnt flow anymore through there).


----Some more news------------------------------------------------------

Σχεδίασε εσύ το γήπεδό...

Σε μια κίνηση ευρωπαϊκού επιπέδου, η ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός σε συνεργασία με την εταιρία IMG διεξάγει έρευνα δίνοντας την ευκαιρία σε κάθε οπαδό αλλά και φίλο της ομάδας να βοηθήσει με ιδέες για τον σχεδιάσμό του νέου "σπιτιού" των "πράσινων" στο Βοτανικό.

"Η ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός καλεί όλους τους φιλάθλους της ομάδας να λάβουν μέρος στην έρευνα που διεξάγεται για το Νέο Γήπεδο του Παναθηναϊκού, μέσα από την επίσημη ιστοσελίδα της ομάδας.

Συγκεκριμένα, όσοι φίλαθλοι το επιθυμούν θα μπορούν, κάνοντας κλικ στο banner που βρίσκεται στην πρώτη σελίδα, να συμπληρώσουν το ειδικό ερωτηματολόγιο προσφέροντας την άποψή τους και βοηθώντας στον σχεδιασμό του Νέου Γηπέδου της ομάδας.

Το ερωτηματολόγιο θα βρίσκεται on-line για μερικές ημέρες και όσοι φίλαθλοι συμμετάσχουν θα μπουν σε κλήρωση και 10 φίλαθλοι θα κερδίσουν μια σειρά από επετειακά δώρα της ομάδας.

Η έρευνα έχει σχεδιαστεί από την εταιρία IMG, την κορυφαία εταιρία αθλητικού marketing παγκοσμίως, η οποία έχει διεξαγάγει ανάλογες έρευνες για τα πιο σύγχρονα γήπεδα στην Ευρώπη".

απο SPORT24

In a move European level, Panathinaikos FC in collaboration with the company IMG researching giving an opportunity for all supporters and friend of the team to help with ideas for schediasmo new "home" of "green" in Votanikos.

"The FC Panathinaikos invites all fans of the team to take part in the survey conducted for the New Panathinaikos Stadium, through the official website of the group.

Specifically, those fans could wish, by clicking on the banner located on the first page, fill out a special questionnaire offering their views and helping to design the New Gipedou group.

The questionnaire will be located on-line for a few days and fans who participate will join in a drawing and 10 fans will win a series of gifts epeteiaka group.

The survey is designed by the company IMG, the leading company in sports marketing world, which has conducted similar surveys for the most modern stadiums in Europe.


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P.S did anyone upload the new video presentaton of the stadium?

@Carrerra, Anient stuff :D

more photos from stadia.gr

http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/leoforos13.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/leoforos1.jpg

http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/leoforos2.jpg

Panathinaikos will notplay there again. This place will demolished and become a park.

From the next season Panathinaikos will be using the Olympic stadion until his new gound in Votanikos is ready.

http://www.stadia.gr/oaka/oakaworks40.jpg

@Carrerra, Anient stuff :D



Ancient stuff? So the first picture in my posting was taken before renovation?

P.S did anyone upload the new video presentaton of the stadium?
Yes i was searching in some Panathinaikos forums but nothing. Unfortunately the access is available only to members.
Maybe you as a Panathinaikos fan could find something in those forums?

Yes i was searching in some Panathinaikos forums but nothing. Unfortunately the access is available only to members.
Maybe you as a Panathinaikos fan could find something in those forums?

which forum? maybe i am a member

P.S. "Green Web fans [forums]" dont have any video yet.

Ancient stuff? So the first picture in my posting was taken before renovation?
I don't know, when i said ancient stuff i had in mind the whole stadion, it is like a stadion from the ancient times, way to old.

which forum? maybe i am a member
www.pao-13.com/forums , panathagrforum.net

Edit,Now i saw it about the greenwebfans.

No video on any forum.

Star channel didnt show a video either.

I found this about the basketball stadium:

«Αγκάθι» με το γήπεδο μπάσκετ

«Σύννεφα» προέκυψαν στις σχέσεις του Ερασιτέχνη Παναθηναϊκού με το δήμο Αθηναίων. Αιτία, ένα «αγκάθι» που έχει να κάνει με το συντελεστή δόμησης.

Η δημοτική αρχή θέλει μαζί με το γήπεδο να ανεγερθεί στην περιοχή του Βοτανικού και το νέο δημαρχείο Αθηνών, κάτι που ωστόσο δεν βρίσκει σύμφωνους τους ανθρώπους του Ερασιτέχνη, αφού αν συμβεί αυτό τότε (υποχρεωτικά) θα μειωθεί η χωρητικότητα στο γήπεδο του μπάσκετ, που είναι να «χτιστεί» μελλοντικά δίπλα στο ποδοσφαιρικό γήπεδο (δεν θα είναι 8-10.000 θέσεων, αλλά μικρότερο). «Πυροσβεστικό» ρόλο στη? φωτιά που πάει να «φουντώσει» από το πουθενά έχει αναλάβει ο πρόεδρος της Εταιρείας Ειδικού Σκοπού Θεόδωρος Μπεχράκης, ο οποίος θα έχει την Παρασκευή σειρά επαφών με στελέχη του Ερασιτέχνη Παναθηναϊκού, προκειμένου να «κλείσει» το θέμα.

«Agkathi» with basketball

«Clouds» emerged in relations with Erasitechni Panathinaikos Athens municipality. Cause, a «thorn» has to do with the rate of construction.

The municipal authority wants with the land be built in the Botanical and the new town of Athens, which however is not conforming people of Erasitechni, because if that happens (mandatory) will reduce capacity on the basketball court, which is to «built» future beside the football stadium (it will not be 8-10.000 positions, but smaller). «Fire» role in; fire that goes to «fountosei» from nowhere has assumed the chairman of the Special Purpose Company Theodoros Bechrakis, who will have Friday series of contacts with executives of Erasitechni Panathinaikos to «close» issue.

It is to early about the basketball hall. The priority is the football ground imo.