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Hopefully out of this and the Red Cross site they wont go mediocre and we'll end up with the tallest building in Australia, and to not have that Residential would be awesome to.

Great news!!!!

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Settle down guys, he said could take up to 80 but 25 - 45 would be more feasible. You have to remember that its not just about making the tallest building in town, for the developer its about making the most amount of money possible.

wow! Brisbane is finally creating a worthy skyline with all these talls.
lets hope its a great tower 300m+.
im jealous guys. SEQ is the new king of supertalls.

They want to build up to 60,000 square metres of office space. 80 floors with 60,000 square metres would be 800 square metre floorplates which is way too small for an office tower.

1500 square metres is pretty much the minimum for an office floor these days, so 25-45 floors is the likely outcome. 80 floors would have to be mixed use.

Still a 45 storey office tower could go up to 200 metres and it would be the tallest office tower in Brisbane, not a bad result :-)

Honestly, I would be surprised if it's anymore than 30. Developers in Brisbane always wimp out. Just like the 20,000sq/m piece of shit for Queen St.

Yeah, I think you have to be really careful about what "can be" built in that location vs "what will be".
However having said that if Brisbane is ever going to get a major 200m+ office tower it will be in the next couple years because all of the planets are presently aligning beautifully for Brissy i.e low vacancy rates, strong demand, strong resources sector, a booming economy, strong population growth, a visionary city council, a recent history of tall proposals etc etc.

That anything is planned for the site is a good thing, regardless of whether it is 100m or 300m

Exactly, this is the perfect time to build a tall office tower in Brisbane! I mean there are GOLDEN opportunities now for someone with some vision.

Don't forget guys then indigo site says it could be mixed use also, so even if there is less office, it could still be very tall.

But personally I think if they mentioned 80 it was for a reason and that's that it's one of the options being seriously considered. If they have any vision it's what they'll build, cos now is the time and the place!:)

Settle down guys, he said could take up to 80 but 25 - 45 would be more feasible. You have to remember that its not just about making the tallest building in town, for the developer its about making the most amount of money possible.Exactly. I sooo agree with all your post above GMAC! :okay:

Note the comment about foundations already existing under the retail plaza. If they anything happens, it's probably going to be limited by what was allowed for back in the 70's when it was built. Otherwise there will be a lot of demoltion cost

Ooo! How did I miss this one - must come into the Queensland forum more often I think.

"We'll be out seeking precommitments but we won't necessarily need those to start construction," Mr Nielsen said.


If they get lots of precommitments quickly, which is entirely possible with the way the Brisbane Office market is at the current, they might be heading closer to the 80 storey mark.

If they get lots of precommitments quickly, which is entirely possible with the way the Brisbane Office market is at the current, they might be heading closer to the 80 storey mark.
I wouldn't hold my breath...

However any building going up on that site will make the entire area increadably dense - I mean you have Brisbane Sq on one corner, Hitachi on the other corner, and this new Building going up on anothe corner + northbank plaza on the other side. Then you have the law courts which I have been told are too expensive to refurbish and could be demolished in the near future making way for another major riverside tower on the other corner.!!!!

Yeah, I just hate to see a heap of 20-35 storey office towers go up in Brissy over the next 2-3 years - sure it's good, but it's time for a developer to have the balls to be a bit more speculative and go full boar with a 50-60 storey beast and run the gauntlet baby !!!!! I've got high hopes for Brissy.

Ooo! How did I miss this one - must come into the Queensland forum more often I think.

lol jayt, you visit the qld forum more often then you draw breathe.

only early days, but i was having a chat to an architect friend who works for a large brisbane firm ,and he said they are designing a 250m high mixed use tower for elizabeth street. it will have office,resi and hotel. maybe be submitted next year.
amazing hey

lol jayt, you visit the qld forum more often then you draw breathe.

Actually I tend to miss the local forums and the sports forum - my "user CP" keeps me in touch with local issues when they arrise. I'll have to visit more often.

only early days, but i was having a chat to an architect friend who works for a large brisbane firm ,and he said they are designing a 250m high mixed use tower for elizabeth street. it will have office,resi and hotel. maybe be submitted next year.
amazing hey

Could be the redesign of Empire Square - I heard they are re-desinging it to some extent.

I wouldn't hold my breath...

However any building going up on that site will make the entire area increadably dense - I mean you have Brisbane Sq on one corner, Hitachi on the other corner, and this new Building going up on anothe corner + northbank plaza on the other side. Then you have the law courts which I have been told are too expensive to refurbish and could be demolished in the near future making way for another major riverside tower on the other corner.!!!!

What is Northbank Plaza?? I'm confused! is it actually part of the future northbank or is it different?

What is Northbank Plaza?? I'm confused! is it actually part of the future northbank or is it different?
Northbank Plaza is the new name for the current BCC headquaters on Ann St.

Architect Crone Partners had been appointed to design a building of between 30,000sqm and 60,000sqm, Indigo managing director Mitch Nielsen said.


what sort of buildings have these architects designed before to give us an idea of their stylistic inclinations?

i see...

what sort of buildings have these architects designed before to give us an idea of their stylistic inclinations?

Crone have been responsible for serveral well known buildings - the least of which is Sydeny's own centrepoint tower as well as sydney's sheraton, rydges, the KPMG building, the citigroup tower, resorts in indonesia (sheraton), as well as brissie's own never built Emerald tower. Apart from centrepoint they don't seem to have any HUGE towers to their name, but a fair few 100-150's by the looks of things. check out the website at http://www.cronepartners.com/projects.html some cool stuff!!

There's also this concept design -

http://www.pichotel.com/pic/841T5DcL/9588.jpg


(kinda looks like the glass love child or riparian and aurora... not sure why tho...)

Whoah, whoah backtrack, what this about the architects working on a new 250m on Elizabeth Street with DA to go in in 2007 Culwulla!? Unless you rung up Cottee Parker then there is no way that could be ES!

Wow, Brisbane has come alive:)

As for this tower, yep, Crone Partners did Emerald, which was a fine looking tower as well as a lot of stuff in Sydney, Dubai etc, so should come up with something good!:)

Yep, totally loved the design of emerald so if its anything similar to that should be outstanding, lets hope so!!

Then you have the law courts which I have been told are too expensive to refurbish and could be demolished in the near future making way for another major riverside tower on the other corner.!!!!

Funny you should mention that, as the Cottee Parker web site recently added this, it's only 50 storeys but pretty sexy all the same. As you can see in the pics, it's clearly on the law courts site (not the new ones obvioulsy, the ones near the police state, I forget if it's magistrate or district)


Name:CITY COURTS
CONCEPTUAL STUDY FOR a 50 storey residential building within the Brisbane CBD.

Location: Brisbane CBD
Scope: Concept Study - 50 Storey Apartment Highrise

http://www.cotteeparker.net.au/images/zoom/City%20Courts/2759_op2_v3.jpg

http://www.cotteeparker.net.au/images/zoom/City%20Courts/2759_op2_v1.jpg

http://www.cotteeparker.net.au/images/zoom/City%20Courts/2759_op2_v2.jpg

Btw JayT you mentioned ES getting some tweaks, anything of note?

That would be a beauty, but better not be another concrete piece of shit like the majority of Brisbane's buildings :D

Could be the redesign of Empire Square - I heard they are re-desinging it to some extent.
nah, its a completly dif site. he knows of Empire sq already but this will be taller and isnt a DA yet.

nah, its a completly dif site. he knows of Empire sq already but this will be taller and isnt a DA yet.

Jumping grasshoppers, a new 250m giant for Elizabeth street!

Touchdown!:) Brisbane is going off! Details details cull, who is the architect (if you can say). Oh man, we are already filling in the skyline, awesome.

What available site is there on Elizabeth St?
It would have to be up near Edward St somewhere?

There is none that I can think of. Unless it involves demolishing something. Or an extension to the BoQ centre??

Are there not heaps of buildings ready for demolition opposite the Hilton on Elizabeth Street (behind Charlotte Towers).

That's about the only space I can think of.

Yep, nothing of significance, some small carparks and stuff isn't it. Good spot for a 250m tower to fill the gap between ES and Vision, won't that look good from the Kangaroo Point Cliffs!

I just really hope all these developers don't all jump on the office space bandwagon and come up with a shit load of insignificant, small towers rather than one or two beauties....

yes its was cottee parker. the architect mentioned it will be "near" the mall. so workers can use offices and go to shops nearby. also the hotel will come in handy for travelling businessmen.
not sure about its design or exact location but must be on cnr elizabeth and 1 block back from queen st mall.

Maybe time for a proposed thread for this 250m tower? Cottee Parker sure are busy! They are defining the Brizzy skyline!

First Aurora
Then Empire Square
Potentially a 300m 480 Queen Street Tower?
and now 250m Elizabeth Street Mixed Use Tower!

Amazing!

Mixed use is the way of the future it seems, masterplan favours it bigtime.

BTW here is quick idea how things might look in the future, I'm accentuating the positive of course, so I'm counting on big boys coming through on 480 and the BAC, but I think Brisbane has sat long enough at the kiddies table with Adelaide so about time we grew up (literally!);)

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2962/bris2010a1ny.jpg

This is the buildings I was talking about before.

Highly probable, especially after mentioning it was close to the mall.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6735/mergedimages8lg.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mergedimages8lg.jpg)

Sorry, can't get a good quality photo with a phone on a rainy day with plenty of glare (and it's photostitched)

With people saying we need some 150m - 200m fillers, that pic just shows what a few 250m - 300m fillers could do!!! :drool:

The CITY COURTS tower... does that have any chance of being proposed?

yes its was cottee parker. the architect mentioned it will be "near" the mall. so workers can use offices and go to shops nearby. also the hotel will come in handy for travelling businessmen.
not sure about its design or exact location but must be on cnr elizabeth and 1 block back from queen st mall.
Maybe the site where Elio Moda is on the corner of Elizabeth and Edward.
That site is screaming out to be redeveloped.

@ Locke - That is farkin AWESOME!!!! God brissie'd look good with that many towers (the towers you've chosen too are excellent!!!!!! - I'd love to see a 'turning torso' style building in brissie)

Another tall by cottee parker on Elizabeth Street.....certainly sounds interesting.

Maybe the site where Elio Moda is on the corner of Elizabeth and Edward.
That site is screaming out to be redeveloped.

The Via Elio Moda site is very small itself, and so would require adjacent sites also - I also wouldn't say it is 'screaming out' to be redeveloped. I'm more likely to go with KBrissy's block near the carpark entrance.

It's not the old cinema site is it? The one that's sitting demolished and vacant.

THIS JUST IN SYDNEY IS DEAD. >.<

P.

It's not the old cinema site is it? The one that's sitting demolished and vacant.

No, I think that is still Brisbane Central due to the DA submittions to change the carpark design only a few weeks ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/175Albert.jpg

im dreading the endless threads next year of wingers who get disappointed with the approx 200m proposals that these will more then likely eventuate as.

well I'm dreading the whingers whinging about people whinging about 200m towers.

what about the bendigo bank site or the pub across the road - are they big sites?

I think KJBrissy's site would be the most likely spot, but it's only a guesstimate.

Damn, I gotta sit down with a map digest all this - every second post contains a casual passing reference to a another possible supertall proposal. :)

Question 1 - this 50 storey resi concept by Cottee Parker - is that for the site bounded by Garrick, May & Roma Sts, labeled as "Roma Street Magistrates Court" in the UBD?

No, I think that's an old design for the BAC site behind City Hall.

I think the 50 storey design is either for the Law Complex (Supreme and District Court) since that building has lots of problems and should be replaced, or it's for those courts down on Roma street past the police station.

Don't think it's on the BAC site or Mag Court site judging by the location of Brisbane Square in this pic:

http://www.cotteeparker.net.au/images/zoom/City%20Courts/2759_op2_v3.jpg

I think its that ugly brown building next to evolution that looks like its about to be knocked down????

^
Yep, it probable that the designs is for the Brisbane Central Courts site. Though that building is being upgraded to A-grade space, not demolished.

That is such a shame! that concept building is so nice! not that square brown block!

That brown building beside Evolution is so so so terrible on the inside.

I went in there for school a couple of years ago, Its terrriibbllee

BTW here is quick idea how things might look in the future, I'm accentuating the positive of course, so I'm counting on big boys coming through on 480 and the BAC, but I think Brisbane has sat long enough at the kiddies table with Adelaide so about time we grew up (literally!)

gee thanks

No, I think that is still Brisbane Central due to the DA submittions to change the carpark design only a few weeks ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/Oriolus/175Albert.jpg

Start a Brisbane Central thread... my bad there already is, just the picture doesn't work anymore...

gee thanks

I do not believe you should take it as a stab at Adelaide, its obviously a metaphore for Brisbanes "Growing Up"

lol...mebe that came across the wrong way, but i must admit Locke did have a point...

we all know that brisbane is booming atm... you're getting proposals for 150m+ every fortnight now (slight exageration ...lol) and they're not crappy concrete boxes either!

just a bit jealous thats all... ill get over it...;)

At least you're not from Perth. :)

Are there any updates on this one?? or is this the one at 400 george st across from the new mag court building? I am pretty sure this one was on the corner of George and Adelaide St.

Indigo Group just updated their website with a new look, has a front page link to this site (BAC Tower 2). The blurb just says could be office/hotel/residential/mixed use, not very useful:P

The article said office with DA lodged by May, well it's May now but no DA yet, so either it's coming very soon or maybe the tower is being redesigned, who knows, maybe a bit bigger pehaps in light of the recent office market, maybe some mixed use here? Would go down a treat.

Either way, one to watch!

"Indigo’s project strategy is to acquire the site and then refurbish and re-lease the office tower and car park facility. Simultaneously Indigo intends to reconfigure the allotment and effectively sub-divide the current 7,073m2 site into two sites, comprising the office tower site and a development site. A range of options exist for dealing with the development site including; retail, residential, hotel and commercial office facilities, or some combination of these."

This is on their website, and to me I think it means they are going to do it up, subdivide it, and then sell it off to other developers.

I think you misread it there Brissy4me, it means they are going to subdivide the current lot which hourse the BAC in two, one lot has the current tower and the other lot will have the new tower, which Crone Nation are currently designing, this will have on last estimates probably between 30-60,000 sqm of office space, maybe more if we are lucky and maybe it'll be mixed use as well, but likely an office building straight out.

Any tall buildings at the top end of the city along George st are great, it's like George st is now competing with the Eagle St end of the city for tall buildings. lol. If there are all the tall buildings along the edge of the city, imagine how high the buildings in the middle of the city are going to be. I'm no expert, but I'm sure in most cities that the smaller buildings are on the edges of cities.

Any tall buildings at the top end of the city along George st are great, it's like George st is now competing with the Eagle St end of the city for tall buildings. lol. If there are all the tall buildings along the edge of the city, imagine how high the buildings in the middle of the city are going to be. I'm no expert, but I'm sure in most cities that the smaller buildings are on the edges of cities.

I'm fairly sure that the sequence of tall buildings is purely a case of available land, and current market demand. It also depends on what you define the edge of cities, Southbank/Valley have far shorter buildings. Or if you're talking about actual CBD area, you can look at Melbourne where you have a skyline with 101/120 collins st on one end, and Rilato on the other, with few buildings of the same stature in the middle (though now there's Eureka in the middle, which then is on the edge when you look at it from another angle.)

But yes, tall buildings on George st are great.

You dont have to believe this, but the new BAC tower at Adelaide/George will only be 30 - 40 stories.

Well considering that's the most likely option I wouldn't be surprised at all, yet another Brisbane Square. If it's glass it will help to pretty up this side of town but otherwise, whatever. Would be nice if some office developer had some balls in Brisbane!

Indigo's website for future reference

http://www.indigogroup.com.au/Property.aspx?EntityId=111660

Is this thread about Qld Place? If so, anymore news on the next stages for the site?

Is this thread about Qld Place? If so, anymore news on the next stages for the site?

Expressions of interest for the construction of a supreme court building for the site are being gathered.

I thought this was the rumour for the BAC site?!? (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=373485)