^^ we'll have boarding schools,....and we'll have streets named after british royalty....and our government would be parliamentary...and of course our english would be british english :colgate:

and we'll probably be versed in the music of those british bands with their engaging and unique (many times magical, ethereal) way of writing and making songs. bloody cool!

^^ we'll have boarding schools,....and we'll have streets named after british royalty....and our government would be parliamentary...and of course our english would be british english :colgate:

and we'll probably be versed in the music of those british bands with their engaging and unique (many times magical, ethereal) way of writing and making songs. bloody cool!

^^ we'll have boarding schools,....and we'll have streets named after british royalty....and our government would be parliamentary...and of course our english would be british english :colgate:
Indian English:lol::lol::lol:

^^ we'll have boarding schools,....and we'll have streets named after british royalty....and our government would be parliamentary...and of course our english would be british english :colgate:
Indian English:lol::lol::lol:

My friend came back from London and he speaks with an English/Brit accent even when speaking in Tagalog and he was away only for a month.

My friend came back from London and he speaks with an English/Brit accent even when speaking in Tagalog and he was away only for a month.

aw, that's bad.
probably acquired a disease...

aw, that's bad.
probably acquired a disease...

^^ ow moy gott!!

^^ ow moy gott!!

My friend came back from London and he speaks with an English/Brit accent even when speaking in Tagalog and he was away only for a month.

Si Peter? Pilipit naman magtagalog talaga yun.

aw, that's bad.
probably acquired a disease...

Nah, maloko lang talaga yun, lahat ginagaya, minsan walang accent na Pinoy mag English, minsan naman ang kapal ng accent.

Siya na lang ata marunong magtagalog, the rest of his siblings grew up here in the US. But you got to admire some US born Pinoys here, some tried to learn Tagalog just to hangout with fellow Pinoys.

My friend came back from London and he speaks with an English/Brit accent even when speaking in Tagalog and he was away only for a month.

Si Peter? Pilipit naman magtagalog talaga yun.

aw, that's bad.
probably acquired a disease...

Nah, maloko lang talaga yun, lahat ginagaya, minsan walang accent na Pinoy mag English, minsan naman ang kapal ng accent.

Siya na lang ata marunong magtagalog, the rest of his siblings grew up here in the US. But you got to admire some US born Pinoys here, some tried to learn Tagalog just to hangout with fellow Pinoys.

Interesting article, sounds familiar...

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/248652.asp

KUALA LUMPUR — Malay-sians need to master the English language or risk becoming less competitive in the world, a government official said yesterday.
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Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak said Malaysians' proficiency in English — a legacy of British colonial rule — once used to be an asset, particularly in attracting foreign investors, to the nation.
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But he said Malaysians' command of English is diminishing in rural areas and government-funded schools, a situation that could hurt the country.
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"The stark reality is that English is the primary language of commerce and science the world over today," Mr Najib was quoted as saying by the national news agency Bernama.
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In 1980, Malaysia changed the language of instruction in government schools from English to Bahasa Malaysia, the national language. But after producing a generation of students who could barely speak English, the medium of instruction for math and sciences was switched back to English in 2002.
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But students complain that their teachers are not proficient in English and still fall back on the use of Malay while teaching.
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Mr Najib urged teachers and parents to ensure that children use English as much as possible in their daily lives, saying it would prepare them to face the challenges of the future. — AP

Interesting article, sounds familiar...

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/248652.asp

KUALA LUMPUR — Malay-sians need to master the English language or risk becoming less competitive in the world, a government official said yesterday.
.
Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak said Malaysians' proficiency in English — a legacy of British colonial rule — once used to be an asset, particularly in attracting foreign investors, to the nation.
.
But he said Malaysians' command of English is diminishing in rural areas and government-funded schools, a situation that could hurt the country.
.
"The stark reality is that English is the primary language of commerce and science the world over today," Mr Najib was quoted as saying by the national news agency Bernama.
.
In 1980, Malaysia changed the language of instruction in government schools from English to Bahasa Malaysia, the national language. But after producing a generation of students who could barely speak English, the medium of instruction for math and sciences was switched back to English in 2002.
.
But students complain that their teachers are not proficient in English and still fall back on the use of Malay while teaching.
.
Mr Najib urged teachers and parents to ensure that children use English as much as possible in their daily lives, saying it would prepare them to face the challenges of the future. — AP

English is widely spoken mostly in Malaysia's urban areas but because of the British influnce, Malays use British English unlike the Philippines which uses American.

English is widely spoken mostly in Malaysia's urban areas but because of the British influnce, Malays use British English unlike the Philippines which uses American.

Koreans come in droves for English classes (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20080424-132358/Koreans-come-in-droves-for-English-classes)

Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 08:34:00 04/24/2008

MANILA, Philippines--A total of 111,000 students from South Korea came to the Philippines last year for English classes and other study tours, accounting for 17 percent of the 653,320 Korean arrivals, the Department of Tourism said.

Tourism Secretary Ace Durano said the number was expected to grow significantly this year, judging from “the quality and quantity” of inquiries the department received at the recent 26th Korea Student and Emigration Fair in Seoul.

Koreans have become the biggest group of visitors to the Philippines, surpassing Americans. The tourism department expects them to number a million by 2010 and account for one-fifth of its target of five million visitors a year.

“The Korean overseas learning sector accounts for around five million people, including those who want to acquire skills that will help them participate in the global economy,” Durano said.

He said the Department of Tourism joined in the Korea Student and Emigration Fair to get a bigger share of that sector, partly by partnering with schools with English as Second Language, or ESL, programs.

He said most Korean students of English preferred schools in the cities of Baguio, Manila, Iloilo and Cebu and in the northern region of Cagayan Valley.

Some enroll in two-month ESL programs that coincide with their summer or winter breaks; others enter the regular course offerings of international schools and universities in the Philippines; and some want to learn English for use in particular fields, such as medicine and nursing.

There are also packages in which ESL is applied in golf, diving and other areas of interest for more specialized Korean groups.

Durano said the tourism and education sectors needed to further improve their facilities and services, such as discouraging fly-by-night operations and ensuring the safety of visitors.

From January to February, Korean visitors in the Philippines numbered 126,354, accounting for 22.1 percent of total arrivals and increasing by five percent year-on-year. Ronnel W. Domingo; edited by INQUIRER.net

Koreans come in droves for English classes (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20080424-132358/Koreans-come-in-droves-for-English-classes)

Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 08:34:00 04/24/2008

MANILA, Philippines--A total of 111,000 students from South Korea came to the Philippines last year for English classes and other study tours, accounting for 17 percent of the 653,320 Korean arrivals, the Department of Tourism said.

Tourism Secretary Ace Durano said the number was expected to grow significantly this year, judging from “the quality and quantity” of inquiries the department received at the recent 26th Korea Student and Emigration Fair in Seoul.

Koreans have become the biggest group of visitors to the Philippines, surpassing Americans. The tourism department expects them to number a million by 2010 and account for one-fifth of its target of five million visitors a year.

“The Korean overseas learning sector accounts for around five million people, including those who want to acquire skills that will help them participate in the global economy,” Durano said.

He said the Department of Tourism joined in the Korea Student and Emigration Fair to get a bigger share of that sector, partly by partnering with schools with English as Second Language, or ESL, programs.

He said most Korean students of English preferred schools in the cities of Baguio, Manila, Iloilo and Cebu and in the northern region of Cagayan Valley.

Some enroll in two-month ESL programs that coincide with their summer or winter breaks; others enter the regular course offerings of international schools and universities in the Philippines; and some want to learn English for use in particular fields, such as medicine and nursing.

There are also packages in which ESL is applied in golf, diving and other areas of interest for more specialized Korean groups.

Durano said the tourism and education sectors needed to further improve their facilities and services, such as discouraging fly-by-night operations and ensuring the safety of visitors.

From January to February, Korean visitors in the Philippines numbered 126,354, accounting for 22.1 percent of total arrivals and increasing by five percent year-on-year. Ronnel W. Domingo; edited by INQUIRER.net

That is good for Philippine tourism and economy. Let them come in boat load..LOL

That is good for Philippine tourism and economy. Let them come in boat load..LOL

^^ You wanna make them FOBs? :lol:

^^ You wanna make them FOBs? :lol:

lol koreans learning taglish :lol:

lol koreans learning taglish :lol:

^ Isn't that how Sandara Park speaks?

^ Isn't that how Sandara Park speaks?

Here is a perfect explanation for this current glorification of English by some Filipinos. I also wonder why this was not posted in this thread before by our enthusiastic forumers.

http://images.inquirer.net/media/globalnation/mindfeeds/mindfeeds/images/pic-03251126010627.jpg

By Rodel Rodis (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/mindfeeds/mindfeeds/view/20080325-126283/English-Psychosis)
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 10:55:00 03/25/2008

Though I had never been to a boxing fight before, curiosity drove me to Las Vegas to watch the hyped-up rematch of Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao and Juan Manuel “Dinamita” Marquez for the Super Featherweight Championship of the World last March 15.

As it turned out, “Super” in the billing was no hype; it was the real deal as the two evenly-matched gladiators fought toe-to-toe for 12 rounds, fighting with all the power and heart they could muster. In the end, the Pacman won in a controversial split-decision but by barely one razor-thin point.

In the post-fight press conference, Pacquiao commented on the fight in English, without using an interpreter: “The first knockdown, I was very happy," he said. "I think I controlled the fight already. In the next rounds, I had a bad cut on my eye and I didn’t see his punches. It was hard to punch back to him.”

With a Spanish interpreter, Marquez said: “Yes, I thought I won this fight and I still think I won this fight. Maybe the judges were thinking I was the challenger, but I connected with the most powerful punches and the most accurate punches.”

In previous press interviews where the Pacman spoke, always without an interpreter, he would often find himself grammatically challenged (though he is getting better) and his fight assessments always appeared simple-minded as though the English words that would articulate his actual insights were beyond his reach. In contrast, whenever the Mexican fighters spoke, with interpreters, they seemed to express more depth in their analysis.

I always wondered why the Pacman didn’t just speak in Tagalog and have an interpreter translate his words so that he could also appear to be articulate and intelligent. Is it pride?

That same question popped up at the 2008 Bb. Pilipinas beauty pageant at the Araneta Coliseum in Quezon City on March 9. Janina San Miguel, a 17 year old freshman student at the University of the East, made it to the finals after winning awards for Best in Swimsuit and Best in Long Gown. And then came the interview:

One of the judges, Vivian Tan, asked her “what role did your family play to you as candidate to Binibining Pilipinas?” Janina’s answer on www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKwmseoKFCo has already drawn more than two million hits (combining all versions). Here it is:

Janina: “Well, my family’s role for me is so important b’coz there was the wa- they’re, they was the one who’s… very… hahahaha… Oh I’m so sorry, ahhmm… My pamily… My family… Oh my god… I’m… Ok, I’m so sorry… I… I told you that I’m so confident… Eto, ahhmm, Wait… hahahaha, ahmmm. Sorry, guys because this was really my first pageant ever b’coz I’m only 17 years old and hahaha I, I did not expect that I came from, I came from one of the tuff ten. Hmmm, so… but I said that my family is the most important persons in my life. Thank you.”

In the YouTube video, the sounds of audience guffaws were as audible as the looks of consternation and bemusement by the judges. Despite this gaffe, however, Janina won the contest and will represent the Philippines in the Miss World competition to be held in the Ukraine.

But overnight, dozens, if not hundreds, of Filipino blogs, commented on Janina’s selection with most making fun of her accent and poor grammar. Many questioned how she could possibly hope to win the world title when she can’t speak English properly.

But if anyone of these blog commentators ever watched any of those international beauty pageants, they would note that the questions were always posed to the Spanish-speaking contestants in English, translated by interpreters into Spanish, and the Spanish answers then translated into English. The translated answers showed the candidates' poise and articulation which accounts for why so many South American beauty queens have won these contests.

Why couldn’t the question to Janina have been posed to her in Tagalog and her answer delivered in Tagalog and then translated into English for US Ambassador Kristie Kenney who was a judge? The contest that used to be “Miss Philippines” is now called “Binibing Pilipinas” to emphasize its nationalist character. Hello?

The online web portal, philnews.com, observed that “the use of English is not an issue for some contestants who can speak it fluently. There are a few young girls however, who did not have the luxury of attending an expensive private school where English is taught, or who do not belong to that social strata of Philippine society where proficiency in English is the norm.”

Philippine Daily Inquirer columnist Ramon Tulfo asked his readers to “Give the young girl a break! If she speaks ungrammatical English, blame it on the country’s educational system…You expect Janina to speak fluent English when our former president, Joseph “Erap” Estrada, speaks carabao English? C’mon, guys, you expect too much from a 17-year-old girl!”

The best insight about this “national psychosis with regards to the English language” came from the Philnews.com editorial which provided this observation “Tune in to most radio stations in Metro Manila and you'll hear Filipino DJ's straining to sound like Americans; sit-in on corporate meetings in boardrooms along Ayala Avenue and you will notice that greater deference is given to those who can say what they have to say in English. Say the same thing in Tagalog and it somehow carries a lot less weight or importance.

“While proficiency in a foreign language is commendable, especially in this era of globalization," Philnews.com noted further, "the value of a foreign language should not be gained by denigrating our national language. Tagalog or Pilipino should be given the respect it deserves and be allowed to co-exist alongside all other languages...only then will we begin to appreciate and respect who we really are as a people.”

Psychosis is a psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to have delusional beliefs. What is our delusional belief about ourselves and our ability to speak English?

Please send comments to Rodel50@aol.com or log on to rodel50.blogspot.com or write to Law Offices of Rodel Rodis at 2429 Ocean Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94127, or call (415) 334-7800.

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.

Here is a perfect explanation for this current glorification of English by some Filipinos. I also wonder why this was not posted in this thread before by our enthusiastic forumers.

http://images.inquirer.net/media/globalnation/mindfeeds/mindfeeds/images/pic-03251126010627.jpg

By Rodel Rodis (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/mindfeeds/mindfeeds/view/20080325-126283/English-Psychosis)
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 10:55:00 03/25/2008

Though I had never been to a boxing fight before, curiosity drove me to Las Vegas to watch the hyped-up rematch of Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao and Juan Manuel “Dinamita” Marquez for the Super Featherweight Championship of the World last March 15.

As it turned out, “Super” in the billing was no hype; it was the real deal as the two evenly-matched gladiators fought toe-to-toe for 12 rounds, fighting with all the power and heart they could muster. In the end, the Pacman won in a controversial split-decision but by barely one razor-thin point.

In the post-fight press conference, Pacquiao commented on the fight in English, without using an interpreter: “The first knockdown, I was very happy," he said. "I think I controlled the fight already. In the next rounds, I had a bad cut on my eye and I didn’t see his punches. It was hard to punch back to him.”

With a Spanish interpreter, Marquez said: “Yes, I thought I won this fight and I still think I won this fight. Maybe the judges were thinking I was the challenger, but I connected with the most powerful punches and the most accurate punches.”

In previous press interviews where the Pacman spoke, always without an interpreter, he would often find himself grammatically challenged (though he is getting better) and his fight assessments always appeared simple-minded as though the English words that would articulate his actual insights were beyond his reach. In contrast, whenever the Mexican fighters spoke, with interpreters, they seemed to express more depth in their analysis.

I always wondered why the Pacman didn’t just speak in Tagalog and have an interpreter translate his words so that he could also appear to be articulate and intelligent. Is it pride?

That same question popped up at the 2008 Bb. Pilipinas beauty pageant at the Araneta Coliseum in Quezon City on March 9. Janina San Miguel, a 17 year old freshman student at the University of the East, made it to the finals after winning awards for Best in Swimsuit and Best in Long Gown. And then came the interview:

One of the judges, Vivian Tan, asked her “what role did your family play to you as candidate to Binibining Pilipinas?” Janina’s answer on www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKwmseoKFCo has already drawn more than two million hits (combining all versions). Here it is:

Janina: “Well, my family’s role for me is so important b’coz there was the wa- they’re, they was the one who’s… very… hahahaha… Oh I’m so sorry, ahhmm… My pamily… My family… Oh my god… I’m… Ok, I’m so sorry… I… I told you that I’m so confident… Eto, ahhmm, Wait… hahahaha, ahmmm. Sorry, guys because this was really my first pageant ever b’coz I’m only 17 years old and hahaha I, I did not expect that I came from, I came from one of the tuff ten. Hmmm, so… but I said that my family is the most important persons in my life. Thank you.”

In the YouTube video, the sounds of audience guffaws were as audible as the looks of consternation and bemusement by the judges. Despite this gaffe, however, Janina won the contest and will represent the Philippines in the Miss World competition to be held in the Ukraine.

But overnight, dozens, if not hundreds, of Filipino blogs, commented on Janina’s selection with most making fun of her accent and poor grammar. Many questioned how she could possibly hope to win the world title when she can’t speak English properly.

But if anyone of these blog commentators ever watched any of those international beauty pageants, they would note that the questions were always posed to the Spanish-speaking contestants in English, translated by interpreters into Spanish, and the Spanish answers then translated into English. The translated answers showed the candidates' poise and articulation which accounts for why so many South American beauty queens have won these contests.

Why couldn’t the question to Janina have been posed to her in Tagalog and her answer delivered in Tagalog and then translated into English for US Ambassador Kristie Kenney who was a judge? The contest that used to be “Miss Philippines” is now called “Binibing Pilipinas” to emphasize its nationalist character. Hello?

The online web portal, philnews.com, observed that “the use of English is not an issue for some contestants who can speak it fluently. There are a few young girls however, who did not have the luxury of attending an expensive private school where English is taught, or who do not belong to that social strata of Philippine society where proficiency in English is the norm.”

Philippine Daily Inquirer columnist Ramon Tulfo asked his readers to “Give the young girl a break! If she speaks ungrammatical English, blame it on the country’s educational system…You expect Janina to speak fluent English when our former president, Joseph “Erap” Estrada, speaks carabao English? C’mon, guys, you expect too much from a 17-year-old girl!”

The best insight about this “national psychosis with regards to the English language” came from the Philnews.com editorial which provided this observation “Tune in to most radio stations in Metro Manila and you'll hear Filipino DJ's straining to sound like Americans; sit-in on corporate meetings in boardrooms along Ayala Avenue and you will notice that greater deference is given to those who can say what they have to say in English. Say the same thing in Tagalog and it somehow carries a lot less weight or importance.

“While proficiency in a foreign language is commendable, especially in this era of globalization," Philnews.com noted further, "the value of a foreign language should not be gained by denigrating our national language. Tagalog or Pilipino should be given the respect it deserves and be allowed to co-exist alongside all other languages...only then will we begin to appreciate and respect who we really are as a people.”

Psychosis is a psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to have delusional beliefs. What is our delusional belief about ourselves and our ability to speak English?

Please send comments to Rodel50@aol.com or log on to rodel50.blogspot.com or write to Law Offices of Rodel Rodis at 2429 Ocean Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94127, or call (415) 334-7800.

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.

When I see it, the tagalog language is somehow limited especially in vocabulary compared to English or even Spanish. So alot of Filipinos especially in Metro Manila substitute with English words. There are complicated tagalog words but how many are fluent in them.

Anyway, as much as I see it. Filipinos are better off speaking straight tagalog or any other Pinoy dialect to a fellow countryman. Speaking tagalog fluently is more national pride especially the ability to use it.

But unfortunately, The Philippines is the only country in the world where speaking Filipino is the majority. Once you go outside, people wouldn't understand what you're saying. That's where English comes in since its the universal language. And with this, Filipinos are better off speaking straight English to foreigners or better have master a third language.

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.

When I see it, the tagalog language is somehow limited especially in vocabulary compared to English or even Spanish. So alot of Filipinos especially in Metro Manila substitute with English words. There are complicated tagalog words but how many are fluent in them.

Anyway, as much as I see it. Filipinos are better off speaking straight tagalog or any other Pinoy dialect to a fellow countryman. Speaking tagalog fluently is more national pride especially the ability to use it.

But unfortunately, The Philippines is the only country in the world where speaking Filipino is the majority. Once you go outside, people wouldn't understand what you're saying. That's where English comes in since its the universal language. And with this, Filipinos are better off speaking straight English to foreigners or better have master a third language.

English remains the only hope of the Philippines (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/letterstotheeditor/view_article.php?article_id=123952)

Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 01:28am (Mla time) 03/11/2008


THIS REFERS to Isabel Pefianco Martin's commentary titled "Myths about languages in the Philippines." (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20080301-122108/Myths-about-languages-in-the-Philippines)(Inquirer, 3/1/08) It is an example of why I fear the Philippines will never be a successful country. Her denial of the scandal and tragedy of education in the Philippines is profound and pathetic.

According to the education secretary, 80 percent of secondary school teachers in the Philippines failed an English proficiency test last year. I closed my call center here. Filipinos have much worse English than their Indian counterparts. Not even 3 percent of the students who graduate college here are employable in call centers. Trust me, all of us are leaving for China.
The Philippines has a terrible talent shortage, and the government and the press are in denial. Martin does not get it. English is the only thing that can save the country, and no one here cares or even understands that the Filipinos have a crisis. For now, English is the dominant language in business, not Ilocano, Visayan or Tagalog. The poor English, coupled with the ala mañana work ethic here, bodes poorly for any bright future for the Philippines.

When Marcos was kicked out, so was English, and you have not brought it back yet. You must, or you will never have more than 250,000 call center seats, and you will lose all BPO and call center business and all these jobs to China within five years.

It is sad that the Philippine Daily Inquirer published such a terrible article.

I love the Philippines, but as an American and a businessman, I am one of the thousands leaving here.

Good luck to the Inquirer. It needs to reevaluate its writers, unless it supports such a misguided set of ideas.

God save the Philippines. I hate to see the country falling ever deeper into an English-deprived abyss.--RUSS SANDLIN, via e-mail

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Here's one not satisfied foreigner.

English remains the only hope of the Philippines (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/letterstotheeditor/view_article.php?article_id=123952)

Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 01:28am (Mla time) 03/11/2008


THIS REFERS to Isabel Pefianco Martin's commentary titled "Myths about languages in the Philippines." (http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20080301-122108/Myths-about-languages-in-the-Philippines)(Inquirer, 3/1/08) It is an example of why I fear the Philippines will never be a successful country. Her denial of the scandal and tragedy of education in the Philippines is profound and pathetic.

According to the education secretary, 80 percent of secondary school teachers in the Philippines failed an English proficiency test last year. I closed my call center here. Filipinos have much worse English than their Indian counterparts. Not even 3 percent of the students who graduate college here are employable in call centers. Trust me, all of us are leaving for China.
The Philippines has a terrible talent shortage, and the government and the press are in denial. Martin does not get it. English is the only thing that can save the country, and no one here cares or even understands that the Filipinos have a crisis. For now, English is the dominant language in business, not Ilocano, Visayan or Tagalog. The poor English, coupled with the ala mañana work ethic here, bodes poorly for any bright future for the Philippines.

When Marcos was kicked out, so was English, and you have not brought it back yet. You must, or you will never have more than 250,000 call center seats, and you will lose all BPO and call center business and all these jobs to China within five years.

It is sad that the Philippine Daily Inquirer published such a terrible article.

I love the Philippines, but as an American and a businessman, I am one of the thousands leaving here.

Good luck to the Inquirer. It needs to reevaluate its writers, unless it supports such a misguided set of ideas.

God save the Philippines. I hate to see the country falling ever deeper into an English-deprived abyss.--RUSS SANDLIN, via e-mail

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here's one not satisfied foreigner.

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20080301-122108/Myths-about-languages-in-the-Philippines

That some Filipinos aspire for native-like proficiency in English is symptomatic of another misconception about the language. This aspiration points to the myth that there is only one kind of English language in this world, and that is, Standard American English. What many do not know is that World Englishes exist, and Philippine English is just one among these many Englishes.

Bloody bollocks, written like only a Filipino could! What a blooming arse to those who actually subscribe to this ridiculous nonsense. Of course, England (ergo British English) never existed and the rest of the Anglosaxon world is only surreal to the minds of these hypnotised Yank wannabes. :lol:


And then there is the myth that English and Filipino are languages in opposition to each other. This is evident in those who insist that English should be totally removed from basic education, as well as in some of the reasons cited for opposing House Bill 305 and Executive Order 210. Nationalism always seems to be associated with the Filipino language, as if one cannot express one’s love of country in English or in the local languages.

Finally, the most dangerous of all myths is the belief that there is no place for the local languages in basic education. This is evident in the existence of the Bilingual Education Policy, as well as in the persistent efforts of lawmakers to pass House Bill 305 (formerly known as HB 4701). In public schools across the nation, teachers have already been using the local languages (a.k.a. first language or mother tongue, which includes English and Tagalog in the cities) in teaching basic concepts to schoolchildren. No amount of legislation can remove the first languages from their natural settings, which to my mind include the schools.

Now this one is more like it. I had always believed that nationalism can be expressed in any language, but most especially in the languages which have the greatest impact or closely allied with the culture of any nation. There is and will always be a place for the regional languages in basic education, the onus on Philippine educators is to perceive that basic tenet.

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20080301-122108/Myths-about-languages-in-the-Philippines

That some Filipinos aspire for native-like proficiency in English is symptomatic of another misconception about the language. This aspiration points to the myth that there is only one kind of English language in this world, and that is, Standard American English. What many do not know is that World Englishes exist, and Philippine English is just one among these many Englishes.

Bloody bollocks, written like only a Filipino could! What a blooming arse to those who actually subscribe to this ridiculous nonsense. Of course, England (ergo British English) never existed and the rest of the Anglosaxon world is only surreal to the minds of these hypnotised Yank wannabes. :lol:


And then there is the myth that English and Filipino are languages in opposition to each other. This is evident in those who insist that English should be totally removed from basic education, as well as in some of the reasons cited for opposing House Bill 305 and Executive Order 210. Nationalism always seems to be associated with the Filipino language, as if one cannot express one’s love of country in English or in the local languages.

Finally, the most dangerous of all myths is the belief that there is no place for the local languages in basic education. This is evident in the existence of the Bilingual Education Policy, as well as in the persistent efforts of lawmakers to pass House Bill 305 (formerly known as HB 4701). In public schools across the nation, teachers have already been using the local languages (a.k.a. first language or mother tongue, which includes English and Tagalog in the cities) in teaching basic concepts to schoolchildren. No amount of legislation can remove the first languages from their natural settings, which to my mind include the schools.

Now this one is more like it. I had always believed that nationalism can be expressed in any language, but most especially in the languages which have the greatest impact or closely allied with the culture of any nation. There is and will always be a place for the regional languages in basic education, the onus on Philippine educators is to perceive that basic tenet.

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.
When I see it, the tagalog language is somehow limited especially in vocabulary compared to English or even Spanish. So alot of Filipinos especially in Metro Manila substitute with English words. There are complicated tagalog words but how many are fluent in them.


Bingo! You hit it right on the head. Not enough words to express in modern daily usage, hence the heavy borrowing of loan words. ‘Tis a simple fact of life that remains despite the Herculean efforts of our Nationalists to consistently downgrade the use of English in favour of their ever ubiquitous Tagalog. :lol:

I totally agree with this. Why do so many Filipinos have such an inferiority complex toward their own culture and people? The Filipino language, the national language, and other local dialects are beautiful, why do we have to degrade it by speaking Taglish? I would love it if all Filipinos are fluent in Filipino, without needing to use English words or switch into English syntax in the middle of a sentence. Now to me, that's a sign of intelligence.
When I see it, the tagalog language is somehow limited especially in vocabulary compared to English or even Spanish. So alot of Filipinos especially in Metro Manila substitute with English words. There are complicated tagalog words but how many are fluent in them.


Bingo! You hit it right on the head. Not enough words to express in modern daily usage, hence the heavy borrowing of loan words. ‘Tis a simple fact of life that remains despite the Herculean efforts of our Nationalists to consistently downgrade the use of English in favour of their ever ubiquitous Tagalog. :lol:

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization. Of course now the Japanese are adding tons of loan words from other languages, especially English, but they're making constricting them to Japanese sounds. In the Philippines, when one says an English words or phrases they try to say them with an American accent, making spoken Taglish a mishmash of clashing sounds.

I know "Filipino" has taken a lot of loan words and put a Tagalog sound and spelling on them, such as traysikel, etc. but many people still try to pronounce it using English pronunciation.

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization. Of course now the Japanese are adding tons of loan words from other languages, especially English, but they're making constricting them to Japanese sounds. In the Philippines, when one says an English words or phrases they try to say them with an American accent, making spoken Taglish a mishmash of clashing sounds.

I know "Filipino" has taken a lot of loan words and put a Tagalog sound and spelling on them, such as traysikel, etc. but many people still try to pronounce it using English pronunciation.

What some of you are forgetting is that in this 21st century era of 'globalization,' commonality and expediency are the order of the day. Who really cares for 'iyong maliit na kwadradong seramiko"... or whatever...when you can just say 'chip' and everybody who's living in this century, understands it? Even the French, perhaps the most staunch advocates and defenders of a beautiful language are, I believe, throwing in the towel. An American friend, married for some 50 years to this Frenchwoman, and I have/share a private joke when we want to state: of course, it's French; we chime in together: ordinateur -- the stubborn, silly French equivalent of 'computer.' A lot of French I know -- who are better educated, are equally proficient in English and work at it -- despite their centuries of antagonism towards the 'roastbif' culture (i.e., England), speak excellent English, of course, with that dash of Gallic charm.

It's really too bad that Filipinos have developed Taglish. It truly sets back speaking correct, or even colloquially correct English. If the RP wants to remain a hermit, island nation, then fine. It can indulge itself in all the 'kalantiao' and 'maharliking, magigiting na pilipino, etc.' But if it wants to keep up with 21st century progress and again not be bypassed by our more diligent neighbors, then we should take heed of that departing American businessman's words and sympathetic wishes for the country. Have any of you heard of those Indians working their call centers? :ohno: With a little more elbow-grease, Filipinos can do a lot better -- and it will also bolster their own self-confidence.

I'm not saying discard pilipino; but make a concerted effort to learn AND speak English (or any other language) the way you would want a foreigner to speak pilipino correctly and not some bowdlerized version of it.

What some of you are forgetting is that in this 21st century era of 'globalization,' commonality and expediency are the order of the day. Who really cares for 'iyong maliit na kwadradong seramiko"... or whatever...when you can just say 'chip' and everybody who's living in this century, understands it? Even the French, perhaps the most staunch advocates and defenders of a beautiful language are, I believe, throwing in the towel. An American friend, married for some 50 years to this Frenchwoman, and I have/share a private joke when we want to state: of course, it's French; we chime in together: ordinateur -- the stubborn, silly French equivalent of 'computer.' A lot of French I know -- who are better educated, are equally proficient in English and work at it -- despite their centuries of antagonism towards the 'roastbif' culture (i.e., England), speak excellent English, of course, with that dash of Gallic charm.

It's really too bad that Filipinos have developed Taglish. It truly sets back speaking correct, or even colloquially correct English. If the RP wants to remain a hermit, island nation, then fine. It can indulge itself in all the 'kalantiao' and 'maharliking, magigiting na pilipino, etc.' But if it wants to keep up with 21st century progress and again not be bypassed by our more diligent neighbors, then we should take heed of that departing American businessman's words and sympathetic wishes for the country. Have any of you heard of those Indians working their call centers? :ohno: With a little more elbow-grease, Filipinos can do a lot better -- and it will also bolster their own self-confidence.

I'm not saying discard pilipino; but make a concerted effort to learn AND speak English (or any other language) the way you would want a foreigner to speak pilipino correctly and not some bowdlerized version of it.

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization.

Because only the Japs could pull it off the way they did. I do not really like deconstructing English or Spanish loan words just to make them “sound” aboriginal or indigenous. I’d rather leave them in their natural AND original state.

I also abhor this incarnation called Taglish. Unbeknownst to its millions of adherents & millions of admirers, it has a slow working venom that is destroying both straight English and straight Tagalog and ‘tis quite unfair to both languages, really ol’ chap.

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization.

Because only the Japs could pull it off the way they did. I do not really like deconstructing English or Spanish loan words just to make them “sound” aboriginal or indigenous. I’d rather leave them in their natural AND original state.

I also abhor this incarnation called Taglish. Unbeknownst to its millions of adherents & millions of admirers, it has a slow working venom that is destroying both straight English and straight Tagalog and ‘tis quite unfair to both languages, really ol’ chap.

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization. Of course now the Japanese are adding tons of loan words from other languages, especially English, but they're making constricting them to Japanese sounds. In the Philippines, when one says an English words or phrases they try to say them with an American accent, making spoken Taglish a mishmash of clashing sounds.

I know "Filipino" has taken a lot of loan words and put a Tagalog sound and spelling on them, such as traysikel, etc. but many people still try to pronounce it using English pronunciation.

We have many regional languages and dialects. How about borrowing words from those languages instead of just English?

^^ Why not create entirely new words to describe new things? The Japanese did this in the 20th century during their industrialization. Of course now the Japanese are adding tons of loan words from other languages, especially English, but they're making constricting them to Japanese sounds. In the Philippines, when one says an English words or phrases they try to say them with an American accent, making spoken Taglish a mishmash of clashing sounds.

I know "Filipino" has taken a lot of loan words and put a Tagalog sound and spelling on them, such as traysikel, etc. but many people still try to pronounce it using English pronunciation.

We have many regional languages and dialects. How about borrowing words from those languages instead of just English?

One thing, here in the SSC Philippine Forums, Filipino is definitely not the primary language used.

Anyway, you have your neighbouring Asian countries learning English. Alot of Koreans are in The Philippines to study English but still it doesn't mean that they have degrading their national pride and language.

One thing, here in the SSC Philippine Forums, Filipino is definitely not the primary language used.

Anyway, you have your neighbouring Asian countries learning English. Alot of Koreans are in The Philippines to study English but still it doesn't mean that they have degrading their national pride and language.

One thing, here in the SSC Philippine Forums, Filipino is definitely not the primary language used.

Anyway, you have your neighbouring Asian countries learning English. Alot of Koreans are in The Philippines to study English but still it doesn't mean that they have degrading their national pride and language.

That's right! English is a part of our culture and heritage. The government should never have forced down a version of Tagalog on the Visayans and Mindanao folk just for the sake of misplaced patriotism. We could go the way of Indonesia or we could follow Singapore and Malaysia. The Indonesian way means we will only become more backward and narrow minded. The Singaporeans and Malaysians have recognized the importance of English, and because of this, they have progressed beyond the wildest imagination of the Westerners. Can't beat 'em, join 'em... That goes with English too.

One thing, here in the SSC Philippine Forums, Filipino is definitely not the primary language used.

Anyway, you have your neighbouring Asian countries learning English. Alot of Koreans are in The Philippines to study English but still it doesn't mean that they have degrading their national pride and language.

That's right! English is a part of our culture and heritage. The government should never have forced down a version of Tagalog on the Visayans and Mindanao folk just for the sake of misplaced patriotism. We could go the way of Indonesia or we could follow Singapore and Malaysia. The Indonesian way means we will only become more backward and narrow minded. The Singaporeans and Malaysians have recognized the importance of English, and because of this, they have progressed beyond the wildest imagination of the Westerners. Can't beat 'em, join 'em... That goes with English too.

We have many regional languages and dialects. How about borrowing words from those languages instead of just English?

that's were complications frequently come in. things that are foreign in concept, many times, we don't have a local indigenous equivalent. take the case of the word "local" itself. it was filipinized (or whatever the accurate term for it) into "lokal". i wonder if there's a filipinized version of the word "computer" since this technology/machine is foreign in origin.

so there's goes our dilemma.

We have many regional languages and dialects. How about borrowing words from those languages instead of just English?

that's were complications frequently come in. things that are foreign in concept, many times, we don't have a local indigenous equivalent. take the case of the word "local" itself. it was filipinized (or whatever the accurate term for it) into "lokal". i wonder if there's a filipinized version of the word "computer" since this technology/machine is foreign in origin.

so there's goes our dilemma.

^^ Maybe Tagatuos can be a good equivalent (in addition to its meaning as an accountant)

Tuos = count, account, or compute.

Bilang sounds more of to count sequentially while tuos sounds more of a computational analysis.

^^ Maybe Tagatuos can be a good equivalent (in addition to its meaning as an accountant)

Tuos = count, account, or compute.

Bilang sounds more of to count sequentially while tuos sounds more of a computational analysis.

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

grado is spanish; antas dapat.:lol:

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

grado is spanish; antas dapat.:lol:

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

Bakit tumatanda na ba (parang grado ng salamin) ? :lol:

Upgrade can be antas pandagdag. Parang yun yung pinakamalapit doon. I broke them into two words :lol:

Like: Kailangan ko ng antas-dagdag. (I need an upgrade)

O I-antas-dagdag mo yung Windows XP sa Windows Vista.

I think it sounds weird but a little more natural.

Naiinis ako kasi dahil sobrang bagal ang aking makinang tagatuos (computer). Kailangan ko nang itaas ang kanyang grado (upgrade). Tama ba yun? :lol:

Bakit tumatanda na ba (parang grado ng salamin) ? :lol:

Upgrade can be antas pandagdag. Parang yun yung pinakamalapit doon. I broke them into two words :lol:

Like: Kailangan ko ng antas-dagdag. (I need an upgrade)

O I-antas-dagdag mo yung Windows XP sa Windows Vista.

I think it sounds weird but a little more natural.

^^ Maybe Tagatuos can be a good equivalent (in addition to its meaning as an accountant)

Tuos = count, account, or compute.

Bilang sounds more of to count sequentially while tuos sounds more of a computational analysis.

e pano yan? pag sabihin mong, "magcomputer tayo"...could be..."magtuos tayo":lol:

^^ Maybe Tagatuos can be a good equivalent (in addition to its meaning as an accountant)

Tuos = count, account, or compute.

Bilang sounds more of to count sequentially while tuos sounds more of a computational analysis.

e pano yan? pag sabihin mong, "magcomputer tayo"...could be..."magtuos tayo":lol:

^^ Well, ganon na nga ang kalalabasan :lol:

^^ Well, ganon na nga ang kalalabasan :lol:

That's right! English is a part of our culture and heritage. The government should never have forced down a version of Tagalog on the Visayans and Mindanao folk just for the sake of misplaced patriotism. We could go the way of Indonesia or we could follow Singapore and Malaysia. The Indonesian way means we will only become more backward and narrow minded. The Singaporeans and Malaysians have recognized the importance of English, and because of this, they have progressed beyond the wildest imagination of the Westerners. Can't beat 'em, join 'em... That goes with English too.

Almost every Asian country or even any country in the world recognizes the importance of English. Alot of Japanese and Koreans are very patriotic about their country but still they study English and teachers from the western world go there to teach.

It is still patriotic for Filipinos to be fluent in both Filipino and English. Since Filipino whether any dialect is spoken in everyday life, why not the schools use English as a medium of instruction or have at least a mandatory English and Filipino subjects. The set is already ok for English being used in subject such as math, science and Filipino for social studies, etc.

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.

That's right! English is a part of our culture and heritage. The government should never have forced down a version of Tagalog on the Visayans and Mindanao folk just for the sake of misplaced patriotism. We could go the way of Indonesia or we could follow Singapore and Malaysia. The Indonesian way means we will only become more backward and narrow minded. The Singaporeans and Malaysians have recognized the importance of English, and because of this, they have progressed beyond the wildest imagination of the Westerners. Can't beat 'em, join 'em... That goes with English too.

Almost every Asian country or even any country in the world recognizes the importance of English. Alot of Japanese and Koreans are very patriotic about their country but still they study English and teachers from the western world go there to teach.

It is still patriotic for Filipinos to be fluent in both Filipino and English. Since Filipino whether any dialect is spoken in everyday life, why not the schools use English as a medium of instruction or have at least a mandatory English and Filipino subjects. The set is already ok for English being used in subject such as math, science and Filipino for social studies, etc.

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.

that's were complications frequently come in. things that are foreign in concept, many times, we don't have a local indigenous equivalent. take the case of the word "local" itself. it was filipinized (or whatever the accurate term for it) into "lokal". i wonder if there's a filipinized version of the word "computer" since this technology/machine is foreign in origin.

so there's goes our dilemma.

Since the Filipino vocabulary is limited, Filipinos have to adapt English or even Spanish.

Just like here in HK, some English words are used if there is no Cantonese translation or equivalent

that's were complications frequently come in. things that are foreign in concept, many times, we don't have a local indigenous equivalent. take the case of the word "local" itself. it was filipinized (or whatever the accurate term for it) into "lokal". i wonder if there's a filipinized version of the word "computer" since this technology/machine is foreign in origin.

so there's goes our dilemma.

Since the Filipino vocabulary is limited, Filipinos have to adapt English or even Spanish.

Just like here in HK, some English words are used if there is no Cantonese translation or equivalent

^^^^

E, di ganito:
Computer = ordenador. “Magordenador muna tayo.”

Almost every Asian country or even any country in the world recognizes the importance of English. Alot of Japanese and Koreans are very patriotic about their country but still they study English and teachers from the western world go there to teach.
Ahhh, but there’s the clinch, we are not Japanese nor Koreans and so the rest of the Filipinos back home take English for granted (like everything else we do) and end up talking like, like, … good grief, what was the name of that girl, ah yes, Janina Miss Binibining Filipinas… :lol:

It is still patriotic for Filipinos to be fluent in both Filipino and English. Since Filipino whether any dialect is spoken in everyday life, why not the schools use English as a medium of instruction or have at least a mandatory English and Filipino subjects. The set is already ok for English being used in subject such as math, science and Filipino for social studies, etc..
Oh? I thought Pilipino was only taught in one subject – Pilipino; does it mean it now covers more subjects? Guess I can count my lucky stars that I had to deal with Pilipino in only one subject.

Yea, indeed. Patriotism can be expressed in any language. But right, try telling that to our extreme Nationalists and they’d go ballistic and shoot off into outer space. Ever unmindful of that fact that the bigger majority of Filipinos (roughly 60-70%) don’t have it as their mother tongue and thus don’t really care much about it. :lol:

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.
If Director Javier and his ilk (of trashy, 2-bit movie people & the rest of media) pulled their stunts here in Singapore, they would’ve been incarcerated in Changi prison for inciting to racial hatred & prejudice, which is a major offense here. Or at least they would’ve been fined a heavy amount to send them crying, instead of laughing all the way to the bank… ahhh, but then again, such is life in the Philippines. Anything goes… :lol:

^^^^

E, di ganito:
Computer = ordenador. “Magordenador muna tayo.”

Almost every Asian country or even any country in the world recognizes the importance of English. Alot of Japanese and Koreans are very patriotic about their country but still they study English and teachers from the western world go there to teach.
Ahhh, but there’s the clinch, we are not Japanese nor Koreans and so the rest of the Filipinos back home take English for granted (like everything else we do) and end up talking like, like, … good grief, what was the name of that girl, ah yes, Janina Miss Binibining Filipinas… :lol:

It is still patriotic for Filipinos to be fluent in both Filipino and English. Since Filipino whether any dialect is spoken in everyday life, why not the schools use English as a medium of instruction or have at least a mandatory English and Filipino subjects. The set is already ok for English being used in subject such as math, science and Filipino for social studies, etc..
Oh? I thought Pilipino was only taught in one subject – Pilipino; does it mean it now covers more subjects? Guess I can count my lucky stars that I had to deal with Pilipino in only one subject.

Yea, indeed. Patriotism can be expressed in any language. But right, try telling that to our extreme Nationalists and they’d go ballistic and shoot off into outer space. Ever unmindful of that fact that the bigger majority of Filipinos (roughly 60-70%) don’t have it as their mother tongue and thus don’t really care much about it. :lol:

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.
If Director Javier and his ilk (of trashy, 2-bit movie people & the rest of media) pulled their stunts here in Singapore, they would’ve been incarcerated in Changi prison for inciting to racial hatred & prejudice, which is a major offense here. Or at least they would’ve been fined a heavy amount to send them crying, instead of laughing all the way to the bank… ahhh, but then again, such is life in the Philippines. Anything goes… :lol:

@mercato

It's Filipino not Pilipino. The language is Filipino, Pilipino is the people...

@mercato

It's Filipino not Pilipino. The language is Filipino, Pilipino is the people...

@mercato

It's Filipino not Pilipino. The language is Filipino, Pilipino is the people...

Harumph! I beg your pardon, but Filipino refers to our people. That is why there is a thread called, "What makes us proud being Filipinos". Pilipino refers to the language subject in school. It was constantly hammered to us day in and day out back in the good ole days that the Filipino people cannot pronounce the letter "F" and thus the language was called "Pilipino". The letter "F" was outlawed as anathema and excommunicated. :lol:

@mercato

It's Filipino not Pilipino. The language is Filipino, Pilipino is the people...

Harumph! I beg your pardon, but Filipino refers to our people. That is why there is a thread called, "What makes us proud being Filipinos". Pilipino refers to the language subject in school. It was constantly hammered to us day in and day out back in the good ole days that the Filipino people cannot pronounce the letter "F" and thus the language was called "Pilipino". The letter "F" was outlawed as anathema and excommunicated. :lol:

When I see it Filipino is the "english" or "international" term while Pilipino is the "local" term.

Anyway, other than taglish I noticed how alot of Tsinoys talk or Filipino Chinese. They mixed hokkien and tagalog in their conversations say hokgalog :D

When I see it Filipino is the "english" or "international" term while Pilipino is the "local" term.

Anyway, other than taglish I noticed how alot of Tsinoys talk or Filipino Chinese. They mixed hokkien and tagalog in their conversations say hokgalog :D

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.

Although I didn't see this film, I've read the adverse or unpleasant comment of this ugly actress :lol: towards other dialect or bisaya. Filipinos are racists themselves and there should be a penalty to this crime. I am in favor of English as the national language, secondary language should be other dialects including Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Waray, etc. etc.

Even in Filipino there is diversity and rivalry. Just like the Sakal Sakali Saklolo movie when the Bisaya language is looked down. Its not just unpatriotic but its very degrading to the Filipino culture.

Although I didn't see this film, I've read the adverse or unpleasant comment of this ugly actress :lol: towards other dialect or bisaya. Filipinos are racists themselves and there should be a penalty to this crime. I am in favor of English as the national language, secondary language should be other dialects including Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Waray, etc. etc.

Although I didn't see this film, I've read the adverse or unpleasant comment of this ugly actress :lol: towards other dialect or bisaya. Filipinos are racists themselves and there should be a penalty to this crime. I am in favor of English as the national language, secondary language should be other dialects including Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Waray, etc. etc.

I look at it the other way around. Filipino should be the national language and English second. But English should be a mandatory language and a medium of instruction in certain subjects and that Filipinos must be fluent in it. As for which English, American English would be the standard because of US history and influence in the country

Although I didn't see this film, I've read the adverse or unpleasant comment of this ugly actress :lol: towards other dialect or bisaya. Filipinos are racists themselves and there should be a penalty to this crime. I am in favor of English as the national language, secondary language should be other dialects including Tagalog, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, Waray, etc. etc.

I look at it the other way around. Filipino should be the national language and English second. But English should be a mandatory language and a medium of instruction in certain subjects and that Filipinos must be fluent in it. As for which English, American English would be the standard because of US history and influence in the country

Anyway, other than taglish I noticed how alot of Tsinoys talk or Filipino Chinese. They mixed hokkien and tagalog in their conversations say hokgalog :D
:yes: It's our very own mutated Hokkien, which is unintelligible to any other Hokkien people from Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore or China and only we Filipino-Chinese can understand.

Anyway, other than taglish I noticed how alot of Tsinoys talk or Filipino Chinese. They mixed hokkien and tagalog in their conversations say hokgalog :D
:yes: It's our very own mutated Hokkien, which is unintelligible to any other Hokkien people from Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore or China and only we Filipino-Chinese can understand.

:yes: It's our very own mutated Hokkien, which is unintelligible to any other Hokkien people from Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore or China and only we Filipino-Chinese can understand.

I actually find it interesting since it is also shown in movies say "Mano Po"

:yes: It's our very own mutated Hokkien, which is unintelligible to any other Hokkien people from Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore or China and only we Filipino-Chinese can understand.

I actually find it interesting since it is also shown in movies say "Mano Po"

Pilipino refers to the language subject in school. Nope. Pilipino is the predecessor of Filipino. The latter has incorporated more foreign words and letters and is the language we see spoken today. It is the subject taught now in schools. Pilipino, at an extent, is extinct, or at least not functional.

Pilipino refers to the language subject in school. Nope. Pilipino is the predecessor of Filipino. The latter has incorporated more foreign words and letters and is the language we see spoken today. It is the subject taught now in schools. Pilipino, at an extent, is extinct, or at least not functional.

I actually find it interesting since it is also shown in movies say "Mano Po"

Hmm... I wonder how it would look like if written down. AFAIK no one has ever attempted to write an article using it. Whenever we write we revert to straight Chinese.

Anyway enough of this here in the English thread where it doesn't belong. We'll continue this in that other thread.

I actually find it interesting since it is also shown in movies say "Mano Po"

Hmm... I wonder how it would look like if written down. AFAIK no one has ever attempted to write an article using it. Whenever we write we revert to straight Chinese.

Anyway enough of this here in the English thread where it doesn't belong. We'll continue this in that other thread.

It seems to me that more and more Filipinos (and I don't exclude myself) could not speak or write good and correct English nowadays. Everytime I visit a Filipino forum I always notice Tagalog words or phrases being integrated into English sentences. And not a few of those who try to speak or write straight up English aren't quite careful about using correct grammars either. I think this is a direct result of our being too much obsessed with our local TV stars who did not even finish high school and have a poor command of basic English and other public figures who think having good looks is more important than the way they speak. These are the people whom children nowadays get their education from aside from school and at home that's why they should be more responsible about the way they deliver their remarks or speeches. If they choose to speak in English then they have to make sure they use correct grammars. Otherwise, please naman Tagalugin na lang po natin. Thanks and please pardon my grammar hehe.

It seems to me that more and more Filipinos (and I don't exclude myself) could not speak or write good and correct English nowadays. Everytime I visit a Filipino forum I always notice Tagalog words or phrases being integrated into English sentences. And not a few of those who try to speak or write straight up English aren't quite careful about using correct grammars either. I think this is a direct result of our being too much obsessed with our local TV stars who did not even finish high school and have a poor command of basic English and other public figures who think having good looks is more important than the way they speak. These are the people whom children nowadays get their education from aside from school and at home that's why they should be more responsible about the way they deliver their remarks or speeches. If they choose to speak in English then they have to make sure they use correct grammars. Otherwise, please naman Tagalugin na lang po natin. Thanks and please pardon my grammar hehe.

^^Gusto ko nga palang idagdag na maraming salitang ingles na pwede nating gamitin kung tayo'y naguusap-usap sa ating sariling wika o diyalektong rehional. Per mali ang mag-umpisa sa ingles tapos hahaluan mo ng salitang Pilipino. Kung hindi man natin madiretsong magsalita ng Ingles ay kung maari sana tapusin muna ang bawat pangungusap sa ingles saka kung naubusan na tayo ay pwede na tayong magsalita sa ating wika.

ehemplo:

Tama o maaari: Nagpunta kami sa beach noong Holy Week. Enjoy na enjoy kami.

Mali: We went to the beach noong Holy Week. Enjoy na enjoy kami.

^^Gusto ko nga palang idagdag na maraming salitang ingles na pwede nating gamitin kung tayo'y naguusap-usap sa ating sariling wika o diyalektong rehional. Per mali ang mag-umpisa sa ingles tapos hahaluan mo ng salitang Pilipino. Kung hindi man natin madiretsong magsalita ng Ingles ay kung maari sana tapusin muna ang bawat pangungusap sa ingles saka kung naubusan na tayo ay pwede na tayong magsalita sa ating wika.

ehemplo:

Tama o maaari: Nagpunta kami sa beach noong Holy Week. Enjoy na enjoy kami.

Mali: We went to the beach noong Holy Week. Enjoy na enjoy kami.

^^ Both are examples of Taglish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taglish) and Englog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englog).

Taglish is Filipino standard and sentence structures infused with English terms. While Englog is the opposite, English standard and sentence structures infused with Filipino terms.

^^ Both are examples of Taglish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taglish) and Englog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englog).

Taglish is Filipino standard and sentence structures infused with English terms. While Englog is the opposite, English standard and sentence structures infused with Filipino terms.

Another "not-cool," for lack of a better word, trait of Filipinos is when in the presence of non-Pilipino speakers, tend to slip into their Pilipino tongue(s). This is very discourteous and almost rude. When I used to work at the United Nations, an old-time Filipina staffer there told me it was quite rude in the presence of other nationalities, to lapse into Pilipino -- intentionally or not. And indeed it is so. Yet Filipinos continue to do it. This has to be corrected.

Similarly, even amongst Filipinos, I find it extremely annoying when Flips in the US look at you strangely when you speak to them in English; and they insist on responding in Pilipino when: (1) I grew up in a primarily English/Spanish-speaking family. That is what I am used to -- more so than Tagalog. Thus, I am NOT putting on 'airs' or 'pretenses;' I am just being myself.

And (2) why should it be so strange to (want to) converse in English when they should try to learn the language of their new land. It's a lot of those idiotic immigrants' rights activists who champion the rights of new arrivals, LEGAL OR NOT, yet persist in communicating in Spanish (these are usually the poorly educated Mexicans) and make NO ATTEMPT to assimilate themselves by learning the primary language of the land and society they have chosen to be their new one? Is that such an alien concept? If they don't want to, then they should just leave and return to whence they came from.

So many times, I really have no sympathy for these immigrant parties and their backers. Round them up and lock them up until they learn English, I say. After all, it's my tax dollars that are being wasted to have official documents and services issued in 8 different languages when I have gotten by very well with one major one. God knows I have no use for Vietnamese or Quecha or whatever!!!

Another "not-cool," for lack of a better word, trait of Filipinos is when in the presence of non-Pilipino speakers, tend to slip into their Pilipino tongue(s). This is very discourteous and almost rude. When I used to work at the United Nations, an old-time Filipina staffer there told me it was quite rude in the presence of other nationalities, to lapse into Pilipino -- intentionally or not. And indeed it is so. Yet Filipinos continue to do it. This has to be corrected.

Similarly, even amongst Filipinos, I find it extremely annoying when Flips in the US look at you strangely when you speak to them in English; and they insist on responding in Pilipino when: (1) I grew up in a primarily English/Spanish-speaking family. That is what I am used to -- more so than Tagalog. Thus, I am NOT putting on 'airs' or 'pretenses;' I am just being myself.

And (2) why should it be so strange to (want to) converse in English when they should try to learn the language of their new land. It's a lot of those idiotic immigrants' rights activists who champion the rights of new arrivals, LEGAL OR NOT, yet persist in communicating in Spanish (these are usually the poorly educated Mexicans) and make NO ATTEMPT to assimilate themselves by learning the primary language of the land and society they have chosen to be their new one? Is that such an alien concept? If they don't want to, then they should just leave and return to whence they came from.

So many times, I really have no sympathy for these immigrant parties and their backers. Round them up and lock them up until they learn English, I say. After all, it's my tax dollars that are being wasted to have official documents and services issued in 8 different languages when I have gotten by very well with one major one. God knows I have no use for Vietnamese or Quecha or whatever!!!

^^ Assimilating doesn't mean you turn your back fully on the culture you were once in before. One can be fully integrated into mainstream society and still keep the traditions of one's ethnic background.

^^ Assimilating doesn't mean you turn your back fully on the culture you were once in before. One can be fully integrated into mainstream society and still keep the traditions of one's ethnic background.

^^ Assimilating doesn't mean you turn your back fully on the culture you were once in before. One can be fully integrated into mainstream society and still keep the traditions of one's ethnic background.

I DIDN'T say that. You extrapolated that again. :nuts:

^^ Assimilating doesn't mean you turn your back fully on the culture you were once in before. One can be fully integrated into mainstream society and still keep the traditions of one's ethnic background.

I DIDN'T say that. You extrapolated that again. :nuts:

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

Another "not-cool," for lack of a better word, trait of Filipinos is when in the presence of non-Pilipino speakers, tend to slip into their Pilipino tongue(s). This is very discourteous and almost rude. When I used to work at the United Nations, an old-time Filipina staffer there told me it was quite rude in the presence of other nationalities, to lapse into Pilipino -- intentionally or not. And indeed it is so. Yet Filipinos continue to do it. This has to be corrected.

Similarly, even amongst Filipinos, I find it extremely annoying when Flips in the US look at you strangely when you speak to them in English; and they insist on responding in Pilipino when: (1) I grew up in a primarily English/Spanish-speaking family. That is what I am used to -- more so than Tagalog. Thus, I am NOT putting on 'airs' or 'pretenses;' I am just being myself.

And (2) why should it be so strange to (want to) converse in English when they should try to learn the language of their new land. It's a lot of those idiotic immigrants' rights activists who champion the rights of new arrivals, LEGAL OR NOT, yet persist in communicating in Spanish (these are usually the poorly educated Mexicans) and make NO ATTEMPT to assimilate themselves by learning the primary language of the land and society they have chosen to be their new one? Is that such an alien concept? If they don't want to, then they should just leave and return to whence they came from.

So many times, I really have no sympathy for these immigrant parties and their backers. Round them up and lock them up until they learn English, I say. After all, it's my tax dollars that are being wasted to have official documents and services issued in 8 different languages when I have gotten by very well with one major one. God knows I have no use for Vietnamese or Quecha or whatever!!!

I agree with you 100%.

Another "not-cool," for lack of a better word, trait of Filipinos is when in the presence of non-Pilipino speakers, tend to slip into their Pilipino tongue(s). This is very discourteous and almost rude. When I used to work at the United Nations, an old-time Filipina staffer there told me it was quite rude in the presence of other nationalities, to lapse into Pilipino -- intentionally or not. And indeed it is so. Yet Filipinos continue to do it. This has to be corrected.

Similarly, even amongst Filipinos, I find it extremely annoying when Flips in the US look at you strangely when you speak to them in English; and they insist on responding in Pilipino when: (1) I grew up in a primarily English/Spanish-speaking family. That is what I am used to -- more so than Tagalog. Thus, I am NOT putting on 'airs' or 'pretenses;' I am just being myself.

And (2) why should it be so strange to (want to) converse in English when they should try to learn the language of their new land. It's a lot of those idiotic immigrants' rights activists who champion the rights of new arrivals, LEGAL OR NOT, yet persist in communicating in Spanish (these are usually the poorly educated Mexicans) and make NO ATTEMPT to assimilate themselves by learning the primary language of the land and society they have chosen to be their new one? Is that such an alien concept? If they don't want to, then they should just leave and return to whence they came from.

So many times, I really have no sympathy for these immigrant parties and their backers. Round them up and lock them up until they learn English, I say. After all, it's my tax dollars that are being wasted to have official documents and services issued in 8 different languages when I have gotten by very well with one major one. God knows I have no use for Vietnamese or Quecha or whatever!!!

I agree with you 100%.

^^^ I'm not sure which part are you in agreement by 100% with rover3 Bo B because not all of his statements are worth agreeable....

Rover3 already stated he speaks primarily english and spanish at home but somehow indirectly admits he speaks or atleast understand tagalog. To me that's just really pretentious because there MANY American born filipinos who atleast understand tagalog responded in both languages(english or tagalog) when spoken to and THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT WHATSOEVER, they are infact courteous to excuse themselves. For one thing, you would really hear the accent of someone who was naturally born and raised in the US from an immigrant so if a filipino insist and still continued to talk to you in tagalog, they must knew you atleast understand them.

^^^ I'm not sure which part are you in agreement by 100% with rover3 Bo B because not all of his statements are worth agreeable....

Rover3 already stated he speaks primarily english and spanish at home but somehow indirectly admits he speaks or atleast understand tagalog. To me that's just really pretentious because there MANY American born filipinos who atleast understand tagalog responded in both languages(english or tagalog) when spoken to and THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT WHATSOEVER, they are infact courteous to excuse themselves. For one thing, you would really hear the accent of someone who was naturally born and raised in the US from an immigrant so if a filipino insist and still continued to talk to you in tagalog, they must knew you atleast understand them.

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

^^^^ Oh, mwg12a, thank you for your pearls of wisdom. Next time I am in quandary, I will most certainly think of them... or probably NOT. Your situation is yours; mine is mine. I most certainly say that NOT ALL YOUR STATEMENTS are similarly argreeable or worthwhile.

Re your last statement: did I say that? I already took exception to kiretoce's statement. Did you miss it? R u already senile?

Mwg12, when I specifically want your advice, I'll ask for it.

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

^^^^ Oh, mwg12a, thank you for your pearls of wisdom. Next time I am in quandary, I will most certainly think of them... or probably NOT. Your situation is yours; mine is mine. I most certainly say that NOT ALL YOUR STATEMENTS are similarly argreeable or worthwhile.

Re your last statement: did I say that? I already took exception to kiretoce's statement. Did you miss it? R u already senile?

Mwg12, when I specifically want your advice, I'll ask for it.

^^^ I'm not sure which part are you in agreement by 100% with rover3 Bo B because not all of his statements are worth agreeable....

Rover3 already stated he speaks primarily english and spanish at home but somehow indirectly admits he speaks or atleast understand tagalog. To me that's just really pretentious because there MANY American born filipinos who atleast understand tagalog responded in both languages(english or tagalog) when spoken to and THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT WHATSOEVER, they are infact courteous to excuse themselves. For one thing, you would really hear the accent of someone who was naturally born and raised in the US from an immigrant so if a filipino insist and still continued to talk to you in tagalog, they must knew you atleast understand them.

I agreed with his two points.

For point one, I agree that not speaking Tagalog is not being arrogant. I am Ilonggo and my primary languages are Ilonggo and English. I am most comfortable speaking in Ilonggo but I cannot write in my own native language... thanks to the imperialist Tagalistas. I may make occasional mistakes in speaking and writing in English, but I feel more comfortable with English than the so called "Filipino". I can understand Cebuano, Tagalog, and Karay-ah, but I could not speak in that tongue as I find it awkward. I have no problem with Cebuanos. When they speak in Cebuano, I usually respond in English and they switch to English with no problems whatsoever. If a Cebuano is not able to speak in English, he just excuses himself and continues in Cebuano and I respond in Ilonggo and we understand each other well enough. But then most Cebuanos I've met are fluent in English, I haven't had too many problems with them. Why are Tagalogs so adamant in insisting in Tagalog? I find it stupid when they insist on doing that since they are in the United States.

With regards to Point Two, being in the USA means that they should have learned to speak in English after staying here for at least three months. I learned Bahasa Indonesia enough to be able to converse in it after just three months. It is a sign of respect to the people of the foreign land if you learned their language. If a fellow Filipino doesn't speak in Tagalog here in the USA or elsewhere in the world, they should never insist in Tagalog since it is not the main language here. I have never covered up my Ilonggo accent and because of it, people think that I'm being arrogant because they know I am born in the PI.

For me it would be pretentious to use a foreign accent when you were not born there in the first place. Besides, westerners never laugh at accents, the thicker the accent, the more interesting you are. What they usually respect more is somebody who has impeccable grammar with a thick accent... It just drives the ladies crazy...

^^^ I'm not sure which part are you in agreement by 100% with rover3 Bo B because not all of his statements are worth agreeable....

Rover3 already stated he speaks primarily english and spanish at home but somehow indirectly admits he speaks or atleast understand tagalog. To me that's just really pretentious because there MANY American born filipinos who atleast understand tagalog responded in both languages(english or tagalog) when spoken to and THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT WHATSOEVER, they are infact courteous to excuse themselves. For one thing, you would really hear the accent of someone who was naturally born and raised in the US from an immigrant so if a filipino insist and still continued to talk to you in tagalog, they must knew you atleast understand them.

I agreed with his two points.

For point one, I agree that not speaking Tagalog is not being arrogant. I am Ilonggo and my primary languages are Ilonggo and English. I am most comfortable speaking in Ilonggo but I cannot write in my own native language... thanks to the imperialist Tagalistas. I may make occasional mistakes in speaking and writing in English, but I feel more comfortable with English than the so called "Filipino". I can understand Cebuano, Tagalog, and Karay-ah, but I could not speak in that tongue as I find it awkward. I have no problem with Cebuanos. When they speak in Cebuano, I usually respond in English and they switch to English with no problems whatsoever. If a Cebuano is not able to speak in English, he just excuses himself and continues in Cebuano and I respond in Ilonggo and we understand each other well enough. But then most Cebuanos I've met are fluent in English, I haven't had too many problems with them. Why are Tagalogs so adamant in insisting in Tagalog? I find it stupid when they insist on doing that since they are in the United States.

With regards to Point Two, being in the USA means that they should have learned to speak in English after staying here for at least three months. I learned Bahasa Indonesia enough to be able to converse in it after just three months. It is a sign of respect to the people of the foreign land if you learned their language. If a fellow Filipino doesn't speak in Tagalog here in the USA or elsewhere in the world, they should never insist in Tagalog since it is not the main language here. I have never covered up my Ilonggo accent and because of it, people think that I'm being arrogant because they know I am born in the PI.

For me it would be pretentious to use a foreign accent when you were not born there in the first place. Besides, westerners never laugh at accents, the thicker the accent, the more interesting you are. What they usually respect more is somebody who has impeccable grammar with a thick accent... It just drives the ladies crazy...

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

You know what, I do exactly like what you suggested above. If they look at me strangely when I respond in English and they answer in Tagalog again, I speak in my native Language, which is Ilonggo. They usually respond in English after that since they know that I am not being arrogant at all.

@Rover, there is nothing wrong in speaking to a fellow filipinos in their native tongue when another filipino attempted conversation with you. If you happen to be infront of an american crowd let's say in a department store, it's perfectly alright. Now, it's a different story if you are with a few american friends or colleague and there are two or three fellow filipinos with you at the same time in a restaurant and are all conversing to one another then the filipinos started talking and laughing infront of your American collegues, that is definitely rude... if it's very important you can either excuse yourselves and explain to them that you need an opinion from another filipino or just simply excuse yourselves and step away for a few mins then talk to one another in tagalog/visayan or what have you.

You mentioned that there are filipinos who insisted in talking to you in filipino, if they look at you strangely and they know you, it's really stupid not to talk to them back in your native dialect. You yourself mentioned that you speak and understand tagalog it's just your primary language is english. I was born here in the US although I was raised in the Philippines mostly I don't mind being spoken to in tagalog as well as my half brother who is part white and filipino, infact, there are alot of filipinos who are all fond in talking to him in tagalog because he responded in tagalog with a heavy american accent.

I agree with what kiretoce posted above about the assimilation to an american culture. You may have migrated and has taken citizenship, you can still take pride of your heritage and should not turn your back from it because it's who you are, no matter how you change your appearance or lifestyle.

You know what, I do exactly like what you suggested above. If they look at me strangely when I respond in English and they answer in Tagalog again, I speak in my native Language, which is Ilonggo. They usually respond in English after that since they know that I am not being arrogant at all.

There you go Bo B, I definitely respond to a bisaya or an illonggo if they can't speak tagalog or english, hopefully we understood one another, I've learned to understand cebuano bisaya from staying there out of respect to them since I am in their territory. Being able to speak tagalog or bisaya to the bisayan won't make me less of a person or tagalog if I speak to you guys in your language. Yes, it just happened that the chosen language in the Philippines is Tagalog to be able the people communicate to one another, but I don't think it's mandated for all of you to stop speaking to your parents or other siblings in tagalog, otherwise, all other languages and dialects has long been gone. But you speak Illionggo still right?

If I can accept bisaya as the national language, why can't you accept tagalog? You can accept a foreign language like English have ya?When a tagalog is in your territory and he has to stay there for a long period of time, it's just respectful for him to learn and understand Illonggo and not force you guys to talk to them in tagalog, now if a tagalog is just a visitor for a few days, it's just polite to be a little flexible. I have met several bisaya who are not used to speak in tagalog and they excuse themselves... and the rest, tagalog or non tagalogs understand it... problem with you guys is that you think it's just the tagalogs pressure you guys in speaking tagalog. What about Kapangpangan and ilocanos who happen to visit Ilo-ilo? they happen to know tagalog too and speak to you guys in tagalog. Why? there is no other choice except english... but, what if the kappangpangan didn't have a higher education and can't speak english to you , for example? Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

The problem with filipinos is this, those who moved and lived in Manila feels they are high and mighty and when they return to their own provinces, they took attitude with them.... The same goes with any filipinos (although not evey single one of us) who lives in the US, once they return in the Philippines, they would act high and mighty and SOME EVEN PRETENDED TO have forgotten how to speak any Philippine language when you know very well that when they migrated in the US pass the age of 18 or some even in their mid 20s. It's the bitter truth.....

There you go Bo B, I definitely respond to a bisaya or an illonggo if they can't speak tagalog or english, hopefully we understood one another, I've learned to understand cebuano bisaya from staying there out of respect to them since I am in their territory. Being able to speak tagalog or bisaya to the bisayan won't make me less of a person or tagalog if I speak to you guys in your language. Yes, it just happened that the chosen language in the Philippines is Tagalog to be able the people communicate to one another, but I don't think it's mandated for all of you to stop speaking to your parents or other siblings in tagalog, otherwise, all other languages and dialects has long been gone. But you speak Illionggo still right?

If I can accept bisaya as the national language, why can't you accept tagalog? You can accept a foreign language like English have ya?When a tagalog is in your territory and he has to stay there for a long period of time, it's just respectful for him to learn and understand Illonggo and not force you guys to talk to them in tagalog, now if a tagalog is just a visitor for a few days, it's just polite to be a little flexible. I have met several bisaya who are not used to speak in tagalog and they excuse themselves... and the rest, tagalog or non tagalogs understand it... problem with you guys is that you think it's just the tagalogs pressure you guys in speaking tagalog. What about Kapangpangan and ilocanos who happen to visit Ilo-ilo? they happen to know tagalog too and speak to you guys in tagalog. Why? there is no other choice except english... but, what if the kappangpangan didn't have a higher education and can't speak english to you , for example? Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

The problem with filipinos is this, those who moved and lived in Manila feels they are high and mighty and when they return to their own provinces, they took attitude with them.... The same goes with any filipinos (although not evey single one of us) who lives in the US, once they return in the Philippines, they would act high and mighty and SOME EVEN PRETENDED TO have forgotten how to speak any Philippine language when you know very well that when they migrated in the US pass the age of 18 or some even in their mid 20s. It's the bitter truth.....

^^^^* Oh, mwg12a, thank you for your pearls of wisdom.* Next time I am in quandary, I will most certainly think of them... or probably NOT.* Your situation is yours; mine is mine.* I most certainly say that NOT ALL YOUR STATEMENTS are similarly argreeable or worthwhile. Re your last statement: did I say that?* I already took exception to kiretoce's statement.* Did you miss it?* R u already senile?* Mwg12, when I specifically want your advice, I'll ask for it.

I'm sorry if I hit that very sensitive button, sometimes the truth really hurts. You are ofcourse entitled to your own opinion.

^^^^* Oh, mwg12a, thank you for your pearls of wisdom.* Next time I am in quandary, I will most certainly think of them... or probably NOT.* Your situation is yours; mine is mine.* I most certainly say that NOT ALL YOUR STATEMENTS are similarly argreeable or worthwhile. Re your last statement: did I say that?* I already took exception to kiretoce's statement.* Did you miss it?* R u already senile?* Mwg12, when I specifically want your advice, I'll ask for it.

I'm sorry if I hit that very sensitive button, sometimes the truth really hurts. You are ofcourse entitled to your own opinion.

There you go Bo B, I definitely respond to a bisaya or an illonggo if they can't speak tagalog or english, hopefully we understood one another, I've learned to understand cebuano bisaya from staying there out of respect to them since I am in their territory. Being able to speak tagalog or bisaya to the bisayan won't make me less of a person or tagalog if I speak to you guys in your language. Yes, it just happened that the chosen language in the Philippines is Tagalog to be able the people communicate to one another, but I don't think it's mandated for all of you to stop speaking to your parents or other siblings in tagalog, otherwise, all other languages and dialects has long been gone. But you speak Illionggo still right?

If I can accept bisaya as the national language, why can't you accept tagalog? You can accept a foreign language like English have ya?When a tagalog is in your territory and he has to stay there for a long period of time, it's just respectful for him to learn and understand Illonggo and not force you guys to talk to them in tagalog, now if a tagalog is just a visitor for a few days, it's just polite to be a little flexible. I have met several bisaya who are not used to speak in tagalog and they excuse themselves... and the rest, tagalog or non tagalogs understand it... problem with you guys is that you think it's just the tagalogs pressure you guys in speaking tagalog. What about Kapangpangan and ilocanos who happen to visit Ilo-ilo? they happen to know tagalog too and speak to you guys in tagalog. Why? there is no other choice except english... but, what if the kappangpangan didn't have a higher education and can't speak english to you , for example? Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

The problem with filipinos is this, those who moved and lived in Manila feels they are high and mighty and when they return to their own provinces, they took attitude with them.... The same goes with any filipinos (although not evey single one of us) who lives in the US, once they return in the Philippines, they would act high and mighty and SOME EVEN PRETENDED TO have forgotten how to speak any Philippine language when you know very well that when they migrated in the US pass the age of 18 or some even in their mid 20s. It's the bitter truth.....

We never wanted to impose "Bisaya"or Ilonggo to be the national language. What we simply want is to have English, a neutral language, as our national language. No need to impose a disguised version of Tagalog on the rest of the Philippines.

There you go Bo B, I definitely respond to a bisaya or an illonggo if they can't speak tagalog or english, hopefully we understood one another, I've learned to understand cebuano bisaya from staying there out of respect to them since I am in their territory. Being able to speak tagalog or bisaya to the bisayan won't make me less of a person or tagalog if I speak to you guys in your language. Yes, it just happened that the chosen language in the Philippines is Tagalog to be able the people communicate to one another, but I don't think it's mandated for all of you to stop speaking to your parents or other siblings in tagalog, otherwise, all other languages and dialects has long been gone. But you speak Illionggo still right?

If I can accept bisaya as the national language, why can't you accept tagalog? You can accept a foreign language like English have ya?When a tagalog is in your territory and he has to stay there for a long period of time, it's just respectful for him to learn and understand Illonggo and not force you guys to talk to them in tagalog, now if a tagalog is just a visitor for a few days, it's just polite to be a little flexible. I have met several bisaya who are not used to speak in tagalog and they excuse themselves... and the rest, tagalog or non tagalogs understand it... problem with you guys is that you think it's just the tagalogs pressure you guys in speaking tagalog. What about Kapangpangan and ilocanos who happen to visit Ilo-ilo? they happen to know tagalog too and speak to you guys in tagalog. Why? there is no other choice except english... but, what if the kappangpangan didn't have a higher education and can't speak english to you , for example? Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

The problem with filipinos is this, those who moved and lived in Manila feels they are high and mighty and when they return to their own provinces, they took attitude with them.... The same goes with any filipinos (although not evey single one of us) who lives in the US, once they return in the Philippines, they would act high and mighty and SOME EVEN PRETENDED TO have forgotten how to speak any Philippine language when you know very well that when they migrated in the US pass the age of 18 or some even in their mid 20s. It's the bitter truth.....

We never wanted to impose "Bisaya"or Ilonggo to be the national language. What we simply want is to have English, a neutral language, as our national language. No need to impose a disguised version of Tagalog on the rest of the Philippines.

yeah, but in the past, there was a big question as to why not "bisaya" is the national language since there are more bisayan speaker populationwise and that since the discovery of the Philippines, it landed in Mactan Cebu, sometimes you still hear this but it's not as loud as it use to be.

So, you guys rather have the constitution state it as TAGALOG as the national language for better communication instead of using the word "FILIPINO" which is just in disguised "tagalog" language? What if the rest of the Filipinos agreed to have Bisaya as the national language? You guys still wants to have english? It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

yeah, but in the past, there was a big question as to why not "bisaya" is the national language since there are more bisayan speaker populationwise and that since the discovery of the Philippines, it landed in Mactan Cebu, sometimes you still hear this but it's not as loud as it use to be.

So, you guys rather have the constitution state it as TAGALOG as the national language for better communication instead of using the word "FILIPINO" which is just in disguised "tagalog" language? What if the rest of the Filipinos agreed to have Bisaya as the national language? You guys still wants to have english? It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

I totally agree. I feel that it is already happening, with the advent of Taglish/Englog or whatever it is. The more people use Taglish the more our languages will die a slow death. For that reason, I abhor the Philippine media such as television and movies which promote this style of talking.

It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

I totally agree. I feel that it is already happening, with the advent of Taglish/Englog or whatever it is. The more people use Taglish the more our languages will die a slow death. For that reason, I abhor the Philippine media such as television and movies which promote this style of talking.

I agreed with his two points.

For point one, I agree that not speaking Tagalog is not being arrogant. I am Ilonggo and my primary languages are Ilonggo and English. I am most comfortable speaking in Ilonggo but I cannot write in my own native language... thanks to the imperialist Tagalistas. I may make occasional mistakes in speaking and writing in English, but I feel more comfortable with English than the so called "Filipino".

I too grappled with the dual tag team English and Pilipino whilst having to learn my Cebuano in the streets! But I remember a useful magazine tabloid Bisaya Magasin which was published by the Manila Bulletin and it helped a lot in putting my Cebuano thoughts in written form. That was how I learnt written Cebuano.

I think there was a Hiligaynon/ Ylonggo Magasin which was a contemporary of Bisaya Magasin. The Tagalogs had Liwayway Magasin, I remember. Perhaps you could subscribe to the Manila Bulletin for old issues of that particular Hiligaynon Magasin. :)

I agreed with his two points.

For point one, I agree that not speaking Tagalog is not being arrogant. I am Ilonggo and my primary languages are Ilonggo and English. I am most comfortable speaking in Ilonggo but I cannot write in my own native language... thanks to the imperialist Tagalistas. I may make occasional mistakes in speaking and writing in English, but I feel more comfortable with English than the so called "Filipino".

I too grappled with the dual tag team English and Pilipino whilst having to learn my Cebuano in the streets! But I remember a useful magazine tabloid Bisaya Magasin which was published by the Manila Bulletin and it helped a lot in putting my Cebuano thoughts in written form. That was how I learnt written Cebuano.

I think there was a Hiligaynon/ Ylonggo Magasin which was a contemporary of Bisaya Magasin. The Tagalogs had Liwayway Magasin, I remember. Perhaps you could subscribe to the Manila Bulletin for old issues of that particular Hiligaynon Magasin. :)

Nope. Pilipino is the predecessor of Filipino. The latter has incorporated more foreign words and letters and is the language we see spoken today. It is the subject taught now in schools. Pilipino, at an extent, is extinct, or at least not functional.

Indeed? Just as I thought. An artificial language is doomed to extinction like Esperanto before it. There never was an amalgam of a "historic" Filipino/ Pilipino. Now that the predecessor is extinct, is it only a matter of time for the successor then to go the way of the dinosaur?

Nope. Pilipino is the predecessor of Filipino. The latter has incorporated more foreign words and letters and is the language we see spoken today. It is the subject taught now in schools. Pilipino, at an extent, is extinct, or at least not functional.

Indeed? Just as I thought. An artificial language is doomed to extinction like Esperanto before it. There never was an amalgam of a "historic" Filipino/ Pilipino. Now that the predecessor is extinct, is it only a matter of time for the successor then to go the way of the dinosaur?

We never wanted to impose "Bisaya"or Ilonggo to be the national language. What we simply want is to have English, a neutral language, as our national language. No need to impose a disguised version of Tagalog on the rest of the Philippines.

I agree wholeheartedly. Wait! At least only in principle, not exactly the "chosen" neutral language. We do not want to impose Ylonggo nor Cebuano to any one who will accuse it of being non-neutral. Because they both are really non-neutral.

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OT. I know this is an unpopular topic to some but this is what I believe in. Our national heroes got it right when they drafted that Malolos Constitution of 1898 and enshrined Spanish as the unifying national (& neutral) language as a great equalizer to our different tribes. Mind you, they were written by great Illustrado AND Tagalog minds.

No, I am not living in 1898 (in the past); any more than those people who swore by the Sept 17, 1778 Constitution of the United States are stranded perpetually in 1778. Constitutions are built for longevity. Too bad our own Malolos Constitution was never given a chance to prove itself.

Notice that in the Commonwealth Period (ok ok, another “neutral” language, English), our different tribes lived harmoniously with each other. Peeps were more civil back then. Now is as good a time as any to finish our Glorious Revolution of 1898. A revolution of the mind and attitudes is sorely needed.

We never wanted to impose "Bisaya"or Ilonggo to be the national language. What we simply want is to have English, a neutral language, as our national language. No need to impose a disguised version of Tagalog on the rest of the Philippines.

I agree wholeheartedly. Wait! At least only in principle, not exactly the "chosen" neutral language. We do not want to impose Ylonggo nor Cebuano to any one who will accuse it of being non-neutral. Because they both are really non-neutral.

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OT. I know this is an unpopular topic to some but this is what I believe in. Our national heroes got it right when they drafted that Malolos Constitution of 1898 and enshrined Spanish as the unifying national (& neutral) language as a great equalizer to our different tribes. Mind you, they were written by great Illustrado AND Tagalog minds.

No, I am not living in 1898 (in the past); any more than those people who swore by the Sept 17, 1778 Constitution of the United States are stranded perpetually in 1778. Constitutions are built for longevity. Too bad our own Malolos Constitution was never given a chance to prove itself.

Notice that in the Commonwealth Period (ok ok, another “neutral” language, English), our different tribes lived harmoniously with each other. Peeps were more civil back then. Now is as good a time as any to finish our Glorious Revolution of 1898. A revolution of the mind and attitudes is sorely needed.

yeah, but in the past, there was a big question as to why not "bisaya" is the national language since there are more bisayan speaker populationwise and that since the discovery of the Philippines, it landed in Mactan Cebu, sometimes you still hear this but it's not as loud as it use to be.

So, you guys rather have the constitution state it as TAGALOG as the national language for better communication instead of using the word "FILIPINO" which is just in disguised "tagalog" language? What if the rest of the Filipinos agreed to have Bisaya as the national language? You guys still wants to have english? It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

Using English as our national language doesn't mean that we will have to abandon our native languages. Our native languages should be taught in elementary & high school. Each native language will not become extinct because each locale will be given the opportunity to learn their own language and nurture their own culture. This will help prevent the tagalization of the whole Philippines and it will help our country tremendously since jobs meant for "native english language speakers" would now be accessible to us.

yeah, but in the past, there was a big question as to why not "bisaya" is the national language since there are more bisayan speaker populationwise and that since the discovery of the Philippines, it landed in Mactan Cebu, sometimes you still hear this but it's not as loud as it use to be.

So, you guys rather have the constitution state it as TAGALOG as the national language for better communication instead of using the word "FILIPINO" which is just in disguised "tagalog" language? What if the rest of the Filipinos agreed to have Bisaya as the national language? You guys still wants to have english? It's a foreign language that we love to speak... to me it's just good enough to religate the english language as an official language for business and commerce but to turn it into our national language. That's a bit too much... Because to me, once we all started using english, the native dialects and languages would slowly disappear just as Hawaiian, Fiji, Guam and almost all the marriannas islands slowly losing their native tongues as well as their culture...

Using English as our national language doesn't mean that we will have to abandon our native languages. Our native languages should be taught in elementary & high school. Each native language will not become extinct because each locale will be given the opportunity to learn their own language and nurture their own culture. This will help prevent the tagalization of the whole Philippines and it will help our country tremendously since jobs meant for "native english language speakers" would now be accessible to us.

I'm sorry if I hit that very sensitive button, sometimes the truth really hurts. You are ofcourse entitled to your own opinion.

Oh please, get over your smug self. It's the tone and attitude of your response that I object to. Really, who are you and by what measure do you go by to pass on unsolicited advice? :ohno:

I'm sorry if I hit that very sensitive button, sometimes the truth really hurts. You are ofcourse entitled to your own opinion.

Oh please, get over your smug self. It's the tone and attitude of your response that I object to. Really, who are you and by what measure do you go by to pass on unsolicited advice? :ohno:

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Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

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It will always be the language/dialect/accents of where the capital is located that will dominate. This is true in China, England, France, and I'm sure many other countries. It is also just a natural evolution of things -- especially with the electronic media, radio and television, news and information are disseminated from the capital in the dialect of the region where the power sits.

Or as in India's case, they went with English as a compromise. So it's either one or the other. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=mwg12a;20382195]

Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

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It will always be the language/dialect/accents of where the capital is located that will dominate. This is true in China, England, France, and I'm sure many other countries. It is also just a natural evolution of things -- especially with the electronic media, radio and television, news and information are disseminated from the capital in the dialect of the region where the power sits.

Or as in India's case, they went with English as a compromise. So it's either one or the other. Deal with it.

Oh please, get over your smug self. It's the tone and attitude of your response that I object to. Really, who are you and by what measure do you go by to pass on unsolicited advice? :ohno:

I wasn't really giving you an advice, I was just making a general statement in the first place and was not directly pointing at you,I was just saying there are ways to handle it and that's it's perfectly understandable how some filipinos responded to a fellow filipino who is obviously not an american born and bread even if they happen to speak english at home even when they were back in the Philippines. If it happen to weight down on to you and something struck you, then that's your problem. I don't know ...:dunno: You got so uptight about it right away...

BTW? tone of my response??? We have been just typing ... How were you able to predict the TONE of my responses? What? You've got supersonic or bionic ears?? SuperRover!!!! Relax dude it's just a forum and discussions, don't take it personally...

Oh please, get over your smug self. It's the tone and attitude of your response that I object to. Really, who are you and by what measure do you go by to pass on unsolicited advice? :ohno:

I wasn't really giving you an advice, I was just making a general statement in the first place and was not directly pointing at you,I was just saying there are ways to handle it and that's it's perfectly understandable how some filipinos responded to a fellow filipino who is obviously not an american born and bread even if they happen to speak english at home even when they were back in the Philippines. If it happen to weight down on to you and something struck you, then that's your problem. I don't know ...:dunno: You got so uptight about it right away...

BTW? tone of my response??? We have been just typing ... How were you able to predict the TONE of my responses? What? You've got supersonic or bionic ears?? SuperRover!!!! Relax dude it's just a forum and discussions, don't take it personally...

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Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

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It will always be the language/dialect/accents of where the capital is located that will dominate. This is true in China, England, France, and I'm sure many other countries. It is also just a natural evolution of things -- especially with the electronic media, radio and television, news and information are disseminated from the capital in the dialect of the region where the power sits.

Or as in India's case, they went with English as a compromise. So it's either one or the other. Deal with it.

I know, but I don't think they turn it into their national language, they promoted to their people the benefits of being able to speak english nd be competitive internationally to attact trade ,investments and many others. That's what we have there in the Philippines and that is good. You can't blame Manila if other provinces are following behind with the lag in the english language skills. It's deeper than just the influence of "Imperial Manila" and the "tagalistas". I'm not sure exactly what's causing the decline in english but I can say for sure that the Philippines is losing "the filipinos best" "the A-class" professionals from the international market. Corrupt government officials are not all strictly tagalogs infact corruption happens almost every where and it's a general knowledge that there are alot of filipinos lack discipline, whether they are tagalog, bisaya, ilocano or illonggo. I guess this is why the word "pasaway" surfaced.....

So, it's all about the accent/ dialect then? No matter what part of the Philippines you were from, if you speak english, the accent would still be noticeable, that would not make much of a difference...

[QUOTE=mwg12a;20382195]

Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

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It will always be the language/dialect/accents of where the capital is located that will dominate. This is true in China, England, France, and I'm sure many other countries. It is also just a natural evolution of things -- especially with the electronic media, radio and television, news and information are disseminated from the capital in the dialect of the region where the power sits.

Or as in India's case, they went with English as a compromise. So it's either one or the other. Deal with it.

I know, but I don't think they turn it into their national language, they promoted to their people the benefits of being able to speak english nd be competitive internationally to attact trade ,investments and many others. That's what we have there in the Philippines and that is good. You can't blame Manila if other provinces are following behind with the lag in the english language skills. It's deeper than just the influence of "Imperial Manila" and the "tagalistas". I'm not sure exactly what's causing the decline in english but I can say for sure that the Philippines is losing "the filipinos best" "the A-class" professionals from the international market. Corrupt government officials are not all strictly tagalogs infact corruption happens almost every where and it's a general knowledge that there are alot of filipinos lack discipline, whether they are tagalog, bisaya, ilocano or illonggo. I guess this is why the word "pasaway" surfaced.....

So, it's all about the accent/ dialect then? No matter what part of the Philippines you were from, if you speak english, the accent would still be noticeable, that would not make much of a difference...

[QUOTE=rover3;20419147][QUOTE=mwg12a;20382195]

Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

I know, but I don't think they turn it into their national language, they promoted to their people the benefits of being able to speak english nd be competitive internationally to attact trade ,investments and many others. That's what we have there in the Philippines and that is good. You can't blame Manila if other provinces are following behind with the lag in the english language skills. It's deeper than just the influence of "Imperial Manila" and the "tagalistas". I'm not sure exactly what's causing the decline in english but I can say for sure that the Philippines is losing "the filipinos best" "the A-class" professionals from the international market. Corrupt government officials are not all strictly tagalogs infact corruption happens almost every where and it's a general knowledge that there are alot of filipinos lack discipline, whether they are tagalog, bisaya, ilocano or illonggo. I guess this is why the word "pasaway" surfaced.....

So, it's all about the accent/ dialect then? No matter what part of the Philippines you were from, if you speak english, the accent would still be noticeable, that would not make much of a difference...

What is it about the accent? I find anybody trying to adapt a different accent a bit silly. I speak English with a thick Ilonggo accent and I'm proud of it. I could easily hide my Ilonggo accent with an American accent since I practically grew up with American kids, but that would be totally pretentious. Besides it is more interesting to converse in English with a thick Ilonggo accent... Tagalogs will always respond in Tagalog and I would respond in Ilonggo. If they can't understand Ilonggo, I switch back to English.

[QUOTE=rover3;20419147][QUOTE=mwg12a;20382195]

Don't blame it all in tagalogs because there are many other dialects also in the Philippines AND THE SO CALLED IMPERIALIST MANILA is not purely tagalogs because when you visit Manila and I am sure you know all of these already, there is a big mixture of different other people from all over the Philippines .

I know, but I don't think they turn it into their national language, they promoted to their people the benefits of being able to speak english nd be competitive internationally to attact trade ,investments and many others. That's what we have there in the Philippines and that is good. You can't blame Manila if other provinces are following behind with the lag in the english language skills. It's deeper than just the influence of "Imperial Manila" and the "tagalistas". I'm not sure exactly what's causing the decline in english but I can say for sure that the Philippines is losing "the filipinos best" "the A-class" professionals from the international market. Corrupt government officials are not all strictly tagalogs infact corruption happens almost every where and it's a general knowledge that there are alot of filipinos lack discipline, whether they are tagalog, bisaya, ilocano or illonggo. I guess this is why the word "pasaway" surfaced.....

So, it's all about the accent/ dialect then? No matter what part of the Philippines you were from, if you speak english, the accent would still be noticeable, that would not make much of a difference...

What is it about the accent? I find anybody trying to adapt a different accent a bit silly. I speak English with a thick Ilonggo accent and I'm proud of it. I could easily hide my Ilonggo accent with an American accent since I practically grew up with American kids, but that would be totally pretentious. Besides it is more interesting to converse in English with a thick Ilonggo accent... Tagalogs will always respond in Tagalog and I would respond in Ilonggo. If they can't understand Ilonggo, I switch back to English.

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

like me i am not fluent in english and my grammar seem wrong.. i cant hide it because we have our own languages! but i want to be proficient in English! :ohno:

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

like me i am not fluent in english and my grammar seem wrong.. i cant hide it because we have our own languages! but i want to be proficient in English! :ohno:

like me i am not fluent in english and my grammar seem wrong.. i cant hide it because we have our own languages! but i want to be proficient in English! :ohno: But, of course, you can. It is easy though it needs time and patience. All you need is immersion in the language. Surround yourself with English movies, music, magazines, newspapers, tabloids, periodicals, classic literature, novels, crossword puzzles, scrabble. To avoid confusion, do not mix different languages. ;)School and your teachers can only do so much at a certain level; the rest is entirely up to you. Thence the syntax and grammar begins to stick to your head, slowly at first but surely. :)

like me i am not fluent in english and my grammar seem wrong.. i cant hide it because we have our own languages! but i want to be proficient in English! :ohno: But, of course, you can. It is easy though it needs time and patience. All you need is immersion in the language. Surround yourself with English movies, music, magazines, newspapers, tabloids, periodicals, classic literature, novels, crossword puzzles, scrabble. To avoid confusion, do not mix different languages. ;)School and your teachers can only do so much at a certain level; the rest is entirely up to you. Thence the syntax and grammar begins to stick to your head, slowly at first but surely. :)

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

And usually brand these people as regionalistic or with colonial mentality....the sad truth.

The problem with the Filipino mentality in general: if you perfer to speak English, you are colonial minded, if you prefer to speak your vernacular when talking to a Tagalog, even in your own homeland, you are regionalistic.

Can't blame them, that's what they teach in school. If a Cebuano would show that he loves his own culture than the Tagalog culture, he is regionalistic, but if a Cebuano will show more appreciation toward the Tagalog culture, he is nationalistic. Nationalism is nearly synonymous to Tagalism. Sad reaelity.

^^^ thats perfectly alright if you have to speak english to a tagalog, I think most tagalogs already knew that bisayans and Ilocanos most especially prefer to speak english than tagalog.. And don't give me that tagalogs don't usually speak good english because i've caught on sevearal bisaya and illonggos who speaks bad english (( but I must admit, I like the way a bisaya especially from cebu pronounce english words better than a tagalog because, the tagalog speak english as if they were speaking in tagalog, meaning bad accent))((I'm not looking for perfect english accent on filipinos either, don't get me wrong) because I where I live here in midwest, there is a big concentration of Kapangpangan, Cebuano, bacolodano and illonggo than tagalog. Infact, i caught on a filipino christian preacher who is from Bacolod I believe or either Bohol just to give you one example amongst many, he was being asked by an american missionary about the relationship with the elderly "sebag" (family name) he replied,his mother is the granddaughter of the elderly Sebag and he is the grand KNEE when he was refering to himself as Great grand son of the latter. I didn't laugh at him or corrected him because he is a preacher and besides he is one heck of a guy..

Another incident was that a cebuana, keep on saying "okay everybody, let's gather up, it's time for my son blowing the CAKE..." when she meant the candle on her son's birthday cake. Everybody already kind of started laughing but she repeated again, until one of guest who is an american in her 50s who happen to be the the regional director of the company she is working for corrected her that there is no such thing as BLOW THE CAKE...

Anyway, the bottom line is that not only are the tagalogs who are failing in the the english language skills but the alot of the filipinos in general, especially the students from all over the Philippines are going downhill when it comes to mathematic skills and with the english language proficiency.

And usually brand these people as regionalistic or with colonial mentality....the sad truth.

The problem with the Filipino mentality in general: if you perfer to speak English, you are colonial minded, if you prefer to speak your vernacular when talking to a Tagalog, even in your own homeland, you are regionalistic.

Can't blame them, that's what they teach in school. If a Cebuano would show that he loves his own culture than the Tagalog culture, he is regionalistic, but if a Cebuano will show more appreciation toward the Tagalog culture, he is nationalistic. Nationalism is nearly synonymous to Tagalism. Sad reaelity.

I am no sure how to react on your last comment. It's very debatable...

There is nothing wrong if you wanted to speak english and be fluent with it. It would probably get you into an edge on any profession you are in, especially in business and commerce. We all know that there are some filipinos who are pretentious, when it comes to having foreign blood and speaking english.

I knew that most bisayans are more braver and more enthusiastic when it comes to the english language, I don't think the tagalogs react that way exclusively to an non tagalog. They have similar reaction when a tagalog speaks to them in english...
Now, if for instance a cebuano or illongo talks to a tagalog in their own language and region, isn't it a bit stupid when you know that the tagalog doesn't speak the language and is only day let's say for a day or two for the first time to force them to respond in bisaya or illongo language? It is really different if let's say I would stay in Cebu for a certain period of time for work or what have you, it is just proper for a tagalogs to learn to speak the cebuano language. So far, those filipinos who are tagalog I've met in cebu learn to speak the cebuano language with no hesitation. I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time.

There is also nothing wrong for having a bit more sense of regionalistic. I don't think the tagalog has a very different culture than a bisaya and when a bisaya speaks tagalog, I don't think they would be less of a bisaya because when they go back home, they would still be speaking in their own mother tongue to their families. I don't know of any law in the philippines prohibiting any of the filipinos to speak and practice their own regional languages in the privacy of thier homes and school premises (although tagalog is being taught in school more). Not all the filipinos presidents past or present were all purely tagalogs, Macapagal for instance isn't really a tagalog, she's a capangpangan, nor Cory Aquino or Fidel Castro, much worse is the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos who is an Ilocano. I don't think non of them embracing the tagalog solely because all of them has built and has been building their own legacy in their own respective home town/region, Arroyo alone is working hard to get her DMIA in her region working to give her people a sense of progress. I'm sure if a bisaya would be the next president, he or she would give more attention on her/his hometown...


I'm sensing that the bisayans or illongos are making the whole tagalogism overly sensationalized just as how black people in america has been overrating the issue of prejudicsm against black, when it's not all that bad. They were overly reacting to certain things and make it a real big issue.... who knows? we just need to learn how to live together in harmony and help one another for a better Philippines ....

I am no sure how to react on your last comment. It's very debatable...

There is nothing wrong if you wanted to speak english and be fluent with it. It would probably get you into an edge on any profession you are in, especially in business and commerce. We all know that there are some filipinos who are pretentious, when it comes to having foreign blood and speaking english.

I knew that most bisayans are more braver and more enthusiastic when it comes to the english language, I don't think the tagalogs react that way exclusively to an non tagalog. They have similar reaction when a tagalog speaks to them in english...
Now, if for instance a cebuano or illongo talks to a tagalog in their own language and region, isn't it a bit stupid when you know that the tagalog doesn't speak the language and is only day let's say for a day or two for the first time to force them to respond in bisaya or illongo language? It is really different if let's say I would stay in Cebu for a certain period of time for work or what have you, it is just proper for a tagalogs to learn to speak the cebuano language. So far, those filipinos who are tagalog I've met in cebu learn to speak the cebuano language with no hesitation. I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time.

There is also nothing wrong for having a bit more sense of regionalistic. I don't think the tagalog has a very different culture than a bisaya and when a bisaya speaks tagalog, I don't think they would be less of a bisaya because when they go back home, they would still be speaking in their own mother tongue to their families. I don't know of any law in the philippines prohibiting any of the filipinos to speak and practice their own regional languages in the privacy of thier homes and school premises (although tagalog is being taught in school more). Not all the filipinos presidents past or present were all purely tagalogs, Macapagal for instance isn't really a tagalog, she's a capangpangan, nor Cory Aquino or Fidel Castro, much worse is the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos who is an Ilocano. I don't think non of them embracing the tagalog solely because all of them has built and has been building their own legacy in their own respective home town/region, Arroyo alone is working hard to get her DMIA in her region working to give her people a sense of progress. I'm sure if a bisaya would be the next president, he or she would give more attention on her/his hometown...


I'm sensing that the bisayans or illongos are making the whole tagalogism overly sensationalized just as how black people in america has been overrating the issue of prejudicsm against black, when it's not all that bad. They were overly reacting to certain things and make it a real big issue.... who knows? we just need to learn how to live together in harmony and help one another for a better Philippines ....

I'm not really criticizing if a Bisaya speaks Tagalog or not. What I'm really criticizing is the impression being planted in the minds of the people whereas preference speaking one's vernacular other than Tagalog is looked down on and called regionalistic.

Reality, you can't really take out regionalism out of the Filipino since we're made of different ethnic groups. But sadly, some people out there wanted to kill regionalism. Why not just find a way to make regionalism a positive thing?

True, there are some Filipinos, who, just because they are better in English, feel superior to other Filipinos and seem to be pretending the have the American or British twang when speaking English and proud if they are bulol in their language(usually artistas as DJs) and they equally irritate me. But the sad part here, some people have the notion and are implanting it on others that speaking English is colonial mentality. Filipinos should accept English as our own, as co-equal with our vernaculars.

"I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time."

I would;'t say the Tagalogs but the LAWS but the truth to the statement that the non-tagalogs are being forced into the tagalog cutlure is true. I live in a non-Tagalog area but we're forced to learn Tagalog, the Tagalog culture and literature WITHOUT LEARNING OUR OWN FIRST. Thus, making us ignorant of ourselves as a people. Not only that, it puts us into disadvantage since anything related to the Tagalogs are not our birth culture. It's not even offered as an elective. And not many Tagalog would put effort to learn the local vernacular. How can you learn anyway when you can't enroll yourself in a non-Tagalog language course? But some really don't even have the effort while some does.

The problem is, our laws and sducational system condition the mind of the people. "Bakit ako mag-aaral ng Ilonggo/Ilocano/Bisaya/Waray kung natuto naman sila mag-Tagalog?" The very opposite of our complain on why do we speak English to foreigners instead of them learning our language?

You now see the double standard there.

The constitution also provides that the National Anthem SHOULD ALWAYS be sung in the National Language...which is Tagalog. And people who attempted to put into practice the singing of national anthem in their vernacular are labeled as regionalistic. These people think as if the National anthem was originally written in Tagalog.

I'm not really criticizing if a Bisaya speaks Tagalog or not. What I'm really criticizing is the impression being planted in the minds of the people whereas preference speaking one's vernacular other than Tagalog is looked down on and called regionalistic.

Reality, you can't really take out regionalism out of the Filipino since we're made of different ethnic groups. But sadly, some people out there wanted to kill regionalism. Why not just find a way to make regionalism a positive thing?

True, there are some Filipinos, who, just because they are better in English, feel superior to other Filipinos and seem to be pretending the have the American or British twang when speaking English and proud if they are bulol in their language(usually artistas as DJs) and they equally irritate me. But the sad part here, some people have the notion and are implanting it on others that speaking English is colonial mentality. Filipinos should accept English as our own, as co-equal with our vernaculars.

"I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time."

I would;'t say the Tagalogs but the LAWS but the truth to the statement that the non-tagalogs are being forced into the tagalog cutlure is true. I live in a non-Tagalog area but we're forced to learn Tagalog, the Tagalog culture and literature WITHOUT LEARNING OUR OWN FIRST. Thus, making us ignorant of ourselves as a people. Not only that, it puts us into disadvantage since anything related to the Tagalogs are not our birth culture. It's not even offered as an elective. And not many Tagalog would put effort to learn the local vernacular. How can you learn anyway when you can't enroll yourself in a non-Tagalog language course? But some really don't even have the effort while some does.

The problem is, our laws and sducational system condition the mind of the people. "Bakit ako mag-aaral ng Ilonggo/Ilocano/Bisaya/Waray kung natuto naman sila mag-Tagalog?" The very opposite of our complain on why do we speak English to foreigners instead of them learning our language?

You now see the double standard there.

The constitution also provides that the National Anthem SHOULD ALWAYS be sung in the National Language...which is Tagalog. And people who attempted to put into practice the singing of national anthem in their vernacular are labeled as regionalistic. These people think as if the National anthem was originally written in Tagalog.

True, there are some Filipinos, who, just because they are better in English, feel superior to other Filipinos and seem to be pretending the have the American or British twang when speaking English and proud if they are bulol in their language(usually artistas as DJs) and they equally irritate me. .

same here.i know that someone does this here. i wont say who tho:lol:

True, there are some Filipinos, who, just because they are better in English, feel superior to other Filipinos and seem to be pretending the have the American or British twang when speaking English and proud if they are bulol in their language(usually artistas as DJs) and they equally irritate me. .

same here.i know that someone does this here. i wont say who tho:lol:

I am no sure how to react on your last comment. It's very debatable...

There is nothing wrong if you wanted to speak english and be fluent with it. It would probably get you into an edge on any profession you are in, especially in business and commerce. We all know that there are some filipinos who are pretentious, when it comes to having foreign blood and speaking english.

I knew that most bisayans are more braver and more enthusiastic when it comes to the english language, I don't think the tagalogs react that way exclusively to an non tagalog. They have similar reaction when a tagalog speaks to them in english...
Now, if for instance a cebuano or illongo talks to a tagalog in their own language and region, isn't it a bit stupid when you know that the tagalog doesn't speak the language and is only day let's say for a day or two for the first time to force them to respond in bisaya or illongo language? It is really different if let's say I would stay in Cebu for a certain period of time for work or what have you, it is just proper for a tagalogs to learn to speak the cebuano language. So far, those filipinos who are tagalog I've met in cebu learn to speak the cebuano language with no hesitation. I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time.

There is also nothing wrong for having a bit more sense of regionalistic. I don't think the tagalog has a very different culture than a bisaya and when a bisaya speaks tagalog, I don't think they would be less of a bisaya because when they go back home, they would still be speaking in their own mother tongue to their families. I don't know of any law in the philippines prohibiting any of the filipinos to speak and practice their own regional languages in the privacy of thier homes and school premises (although tagalog is being taught in school more). Not all the filipinos presidents past or present were all purely tagalogs, Macapagal for instance isn't really a tagalog, she's a capangpangan, nor Cory Aquino or Fidel Castro, much worse is the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos who is an Ilocano. I don't think non of them embracing the tagalog solely because all of them has built and has been building their own legacy in their own respective home town/region, Arroyo alone is working hard to get her DMIA in her region working to give her people a sense of progress. I'm sure if a bisaya would be the next president, he or she would give more attention on her/his hometown...


I'm sensing that the bisayans or illongos are making the whole tagalogism overly sensationalized just as how black people in america has been overrating the issue of prejudicsm against black, when it's not all that bad. They were overly reacting to certain things and make it a real big issue.... who knows? we just need to learn how to live together in harmony and help one another for a better Philippines ....

kumbaya[g] :lol:

I am no sure how to react on your last comment. It's very debatable...

There is nothing wrong if you wanted to speak english and be fluent with it. It would probably get you into an edge on any profession you are in, especially in business and commerce. We all know that there are some filipinos who are pretentious, when it comes to having foreign blood and speaking english.

I knew that most bisayans are more braver and more enthusiastic when it comes to the english language, I don't think the tagalogs react that way exclusively to an non tagalog. They have similar reaction when a tagalog speaks to them in english...
Now, if for instance a cebuano or illongo talks to a tagalog in their own language and region, isn't it a bit stupid when you know that the tagalog doesn't speak the language and is only day let's say for a day or two for the first time to force them to respond in bisaya or illongo language? It is really different if let's say I would stay in Cebu for a certain period of time for work or what have you, it is just proper for a tagalogs to learn to speak the cebuano language. So far, those filipinos who are tagalog I've met in cebu learn to speak the cebuano language with no hesitation. I think it's only SOME of the non-tagalogs thinks the tagalogs are forcing them to speak to them in tagalog all throughout their stay in cebu, that's more of being apprehensive.. it really takes awhile to learn a language fluently when you are emmersed to it the first time.

There is also nothing wrong for having a bit more sense of regionalistic. I don't think the tagalog has a very different culture than a bisaya and when a bisaya speaks tagalog, I don't think they would be less of a bisaya because when they go back home, they would still be speaking in their own mother tongue to their families. I don't know of any law in the philippines prohibiting any of the filipinos to speak and practice their own regional languages in the privacy of thier homes and school premises (although tagalog is being taught in school more). Not all the filipinos presidents past or present were all purely tagalogs, Macapagal for instance isn't really a tagalog, she's a capangpangan, nor Cory Aquino or Fidel Castro, much worse is the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos who is an Ilocano. I don't think non of them embracing the tagalog solely because all of them has built and has been building their own legacy in their own respective home town/region, Arroyo alone is working hard to get her DMIA in her region working to give her people a sense of progress. I'm sure if a bisaya would be the next president, he or she would give more attention on her/his hometown...


I'm sensing that the bisayans or illongos are making the whole tagalogism overly sensationalized just as how black people in america has been overrating the issue of prejudicsm against black, when it's not all that bad. They were overly reacting to certain things and make it a real big issue.... who knows? we just need to learn how to live together in harmony and help one another for a better Philippines ....

kumbaya[g] :lol:

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....

Kulit talaga nitong si tigidong o!!! he he

Napapasarap lang ang discussion namin. Healthy discussion naman.. walang pambabasura sa isa't isa

ano ba yang kumbaya na yan? Anong ibig sabihin?

Kulit talaga nitong si tigidong o!!! he he

Napapasarap lang ang discussion namin. Healthy discussion naman.. walang pambabasura sa isa't isa

ano ba yang kumbaya na yan? Anong ibig sabihin?

nagiinit na siguro si Don pepe niyan. sayang at naban

nagiinit na siguro si Don pepe niyan. sayang at naban

Espangol naman yon e, hindi Americani he he

Espangol naman yon e, hindi Americani he he

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....

here's REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491:

CHAPTER II THE NATIONAL ANTHEM

SECTION 35. The National Anthem is entitled Lupang Hinirang.


SECTION 36. The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

The following shall be the lyrics of the National Anthem:

Bayang magiliw,
Perlas ng Silanganan
Alab ng puso,
Sa Dibdib mo'y buhay.
Lupang Hinirang,
Duyan ka ng magiting,
Sa manlulupig,
Di ka pasisiil.
Sa dagat at bundok,
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,
May dilag ang tula,
At awit sa paglayang minamahal.
Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y
Tagumpay na nagniningning,
Ang bituin at araw niya,
Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim,
Lupa ng araw ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo,
Aming ligaya na pag may mang-aapi,
Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo.

....

CHAPTER VII PENALTIES

SECTION 48. Failure or refusal to observe the provisions of this Act; and any violation of the corresponding rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President, shall after proper notice and hearing, shall be penalized by public censure which shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation.

The Department of Education, Culture and Sports and the Commission on Higher Education, upon the recommendation of the Institute and after proper notice and hearing, shall cause the cancellation of the recognition or permit of any private educational institution which fails or refuses to observe the provisions of this Act for the second time.

SECTION 49. The Department of Education, Culture and Sports (DECS) and the Commission on Higher Education shall ensure that the National Anthem, as adopted by law, shall be committed to memory by all students of both public and private educational institutions, and performed during the flag ceremony conducted in accordance with the rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President. In addition, they shall make available the vocal, piano or band scores of the National Anthem, as adopted by law, to all private and public schools, as well as the general public.

SECTION 50. Any person or juridical entity which violates any of the provisions of this Act shall, upon conviction, be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court: Provided, That for any second and additional offenses, both fine and imprisonment shall always be imposed: Provided, further, That in case the violation is committed by a juridical person, its President or Chief Executive Officer thereof shall be liable.

upon conviction, you will be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court...

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....

here's REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491:

CHAPTER II THE NATIONAL ANTHEM

SECTION 35. The National Anthem is entitled Lupang Hinirang.


SECTION 36. The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

The following shall be the lyrics of the National Anthem:

Bayang magiliw,
Perlas ng Silanganan
Alab ng puso,
Sa Dibdib mo'y buhay.
Lupang Hinirang,
Duyan ka ng magiting,
Sa manlulupig,
Di ka pasisiil.
Sa dagat at bundok,
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,
May dilag ang tula,
At awit sa paglayang minamahal.
Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y
Tagumpay na nagniningning,
Ang bituin at araw niya,
Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim,
Lupa ng araw ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo,
Aming ligaya na pag may mang-aapi,
Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo.

....

CHAPTER VII PENALTIES

SECTION 48. Failure or refusal to observe the provisions of this Act; and any violation of the corresponding rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President, shall after proper notice and hearing, shall be penalized by public censure which shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation.

The Department of Education, Culture and Sports and the Commission on Higher Education, upon the recommendation of the Institute and after proper notice and hearing, shall cause the cancellation of the recognition or permit of any private educational institution which fails or refuses to observe the provisions of this Act for the second time.

SECTION 49. The Department of Education, Culture and Sports (DECS) and the Commission on Higher Education shall ensure that the National Anthem, as adopted by law, shall be committed to memory by all students of both public and private educational institutions, and performed during the flag ceremony conducted in accordance with the rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President. In addition, they shall make available the vocal, piano or band scores of the National Anthem, as adopted by law, to all private and public schools, as well as the general public.

SECTION 50. Any person or juridical entity which violates any of the provisions of this Act shall, upon conviction, be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court: Provided, That for any second and additional offenses, both fine and imprisonment shall always be imposed: Provided, further, That in case the violation is committed by a juridical person, its President or Chief Executive Officer thereof shall be liable.

upon conviction, you will be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court...

have you guys start reading law books,i like the way they analyze their case, its like blogging or being here in ssc, well the new amercan version, after ex pres clinton made the law language easily explainable to the public, ofcourse, none of those text type language tho

have you guys start reading law books,i like the way they analyze their case, its like blogging or being here in ssc, well the new amercan version, after ex pres clinton made the law language easily explainable to the public, ofcourse, none of those text type language tho

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....


I differ in opinion about the national language. I prefer our former colonizers. Why? because it's not native to any of us. Therefore, neutralizing. Unlike if it's Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, it puts one into the advantage and the others into disadvantage. And this issue is one that puts regionalism into the negative effect and creating hatred among people. It's like a divide and conquer tactic.

Exactly, the cycle has to stop. That's why we really have to overhaul our laws. It conditions the mind of people, directly or indirectly. If everybody considered singing the National Anthem in other the vernaculars not a treason, not a sign of wanting to secede, then everybody would probably singing different version. But the law was specific. It said "should always be sung in the national anthem".

I don't think it's being overly opinionated. Our opinions are based on facts. Even here in our homeland, we can't take our own language even as an elective. Nada. We have to learn the semantics of two languages: Tagalog and English. It ends there. Why can't they offer other languages even just as an elective. If they do this, I'm sure inter-ethnic relations in the Philippines will be healthier and people will be more unified. But some people are too chicken to even try to offer other local languages as elective. How can we be unified if we continue to stick to the 'one over the others strategy'. Why are they so scared to really celebrate the diversity of this country.

If the US of A, Britain and Australia and the UN does the same thing...Anglicizing the world by legislation and barring other countries to promote their own languages, you'll probably feel the same way.

But that example is highly unlikely though. But just imagine it

@ Nabartek
Well, having one national language for all the filipinos to use to communicate to one another whether is maybe bisaya, ilocano and such is really important instead of a foreign language like spanish or english, those are the languages of our colonizers, so we have to relegate one language for the whole country, the only flaw there in the Philippine educational system is that, regional language were not given its own fair share in the system, perhaps it was not really even thought of...

Maybe I am not seing the point of a non tagalog because i don't feel what a bisaya or illongo feel like, but when it comes to any Philippine languages, I am more than willing to learn theirs and i don't feel threatened that I would be less of a filipino or less of a tagalog if I learn and started to speak bisaya , illongo or ilocano because I can always revert back to my tagalog when i get in the comfort of my home... I feel that I just learned how to commuinicate better to a non tagalog...


When it comes to the national anthem I don't see any law in the Philippines that singing the national anthem in a different regionalistic languages is considered a treason and is against the law, a campamgangan , ilocano or ibanaw can accuse let's say a bisaya for being regionalistc but then again, a bisaya can also accuse a tagalog , campangpangan, ilocano as regionalistic. Where do we stop??? This is what I meant, no matter what you do, there is another filipino who would critisize another filipino.. This is where we always fail in terms of progress, whether it maybe political or not, it seems like filipinos in general are overly opinionated and has now becoming lethal, a poison that is eating up our own nation... that is probably why we always fail to move forward..... we can't all get along ....


I differ in opinion about the national language. I prefer our former colonizers. Why? because it's not native to any of us. Therefore, neutralizing. Unlike if it's Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, it puts one into the advantage and the others into disadvantage. And this issue is one that puts regionalism into the negative effect and creating hatred among people. It's like a divide and conquer tactic.

Exactly, the cycle has to stop. That's why we really have to overhaul our laws. It conditions the mind of people, directly or indirectly. If everybody considered singing the National Anthem in other the vernaculars not a treason, not a sign of wanting to secede, then everybody would probably singing different version. But the law was specific. It said "should always be sung in the national anthem".

I don't think it's being overly opinionated. Our opinions are based on facts. Even here in our homeland, we can't take our own language even as an elective. Nada. We have to learn the semantics of two languages: Tagalog and English. It ends there. Why can't they offer other languages even just as an elective. If they do this, I'm sure inter-ethnic relations in the Philippines will be healthier and people will be more unified. But some people are too chicken to even try to offer other local languages as elective. How can we be unified if we continue to stick to the 'one over the others strategy'. Why are they so scared to really celebrate the diversity of this country.

If the US of A, Britain and Australia and the UN does the same thing...Anglicizing the world by legislation and barring other countries to promote their own languages, you'll probably feel the same way.

But that example is highly unlikely though. But just imagine it

here's REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491:



upon conviction, you will be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court...

That is you tamper, alter and disrespect the national anthem in an effort to, just as changing the words to ensult and malign it... it does not especify a law against translating the lyrics to any philippine regional languages is punishable by law. There is an english translation of the Philippine national anthem right? There is also a bisayan version but it is not being taught in any Philippine schools....

here's REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491:



upon conviction, you will be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court...

That is you tamper, alter and disrespect the national anthem in an effort to, just as changing the words to ensult and malign it... it does not especify a law against translating the lyrics to any philippine regional languages is punishable by law. There is an english translation of the Philippine national anthem right? There is also a bisayan version but it is not being taught in any Philippine schools....

I differ in opinion about the national language. I prefer our former colonizers. Why? because it's not native to any of us. Therefore, neutralizing. Unlike if it's Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, it puts one into the advantage and the others into disadvantage. And this issue is one that puts regionalism into the negative effect and creating hatred among people. It's like a divide and conquer tactic.

Exactly, the cycle has to stop. That's why we really have to overhaul our laws. It conditions the mind of people, directly or indirectly. If everybody considered singing the National Anthem in other the vernaculars not a treason, not a sign of wanting to secede, then everybody would probably singing different version. But the law was specific. It said "should always be sung in the national anthem".

I don't think it's being overly opinionated. Our opinions are based on facts. Even here in our homeland, we can't take our own language even as an elective. Nada. We have to learn the semantics of two languages: Tagalog and English. It ends there. Why can't they offer other languages even just as an elective. If they do this, I'm sure inter-ethnic relations in the Philippines will be healthier and people will be more unified. But some people are too chicken to even try to offer other local languages as elective. How can we be unified if we continue to stick to the 'one over the others strategy'. Why are they so scared to really celebrate the diversity of this country.

If the US of A, Britain and Australia and the UN does the same thing...Anglicizing the world by legislation and barring other countries to promote their own languages, you'll probably feel the same way.

But that example is highly unlikely though. But just imagine it


I agree with allowing other regional languages in their respective regional schools, that is just nothing but a fair practice.

As far as a language neutral to us, it can be any language and any language works just fine as long as we don't lose our regional languages. We can't prefer one over the other because the functionality of any language is still the same if we talk about providing national unity. If we can embrace a foreign language? Why can't it be one of our own?.I'd accept bisaya as my national language, it does not make me less of a tagalog, just like what i've previously mentioned.

If the nontagalogs are embracing the tagalog culture or lets just say language, you've mentioned before that it will just get the students the attitude, like "why would I try and learn bisaya or illongo if we are learning tagalog already? what's the use" It can also happen in english. Student would not feel the need to learn and practice the regional languages since we are already learning english. IF this happen, if you guys keep on saying that the tagalog language is killing the regional languages. What more with english and spanish? It will just end in the same faith where we would lose every single regional languages because the people will start speaking english. Does this mean we will let our own identity die because we wanted something foreign instead one of our own?

I differ in opinion about the national language. I prefer our former colonizers. Why? because it's not native to any of us. Therefore, neutralizing. Unlike if it's Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, it puts one into the advantage and the others into disadvantage. And this issue is one that puts regionalism into the negative effect and creating hatred among people. It's like a divide and conquer tactic.

Exactly, the cycle has to stop. That's why we really have to overhaul our laws. It conditions the mind of people, directly or indirectly. If everybody considered singing the National Anthem in other the vernaculars not a treason, not a sign of wanting to secede, then everybody would probably singing different version. But the law was specific. It said "should always be sung in the national anthem".

I don't think it's being overly opinionated. Our opinions are based on facts. Even here in our homeland, we can't take our own language even as an elective. Nada. We have to learn the semantics of two languages: Tagalog and English. It ends there. Why can't they offer other languages even just as an elective. If they do this, I'm sure inter-ethnic relations in the Philippines will be healthier and people will be more unified. But some people are too chicken to even try to offer other local languages as elective. How can we be unified if we continue to stick to the 'one over the others strategy'. Why are they so scared to really celebrate the diversity of this country.

If the US of A, Britain and Australia and the UN does the same thing...Anglicizing the world by legislation and barring other countries to promote their own languages, you'll probably feel the same way.

But that example is highly unlikely though. But just imagine it


I agree with allowing other regional languages in their respective regional schools, that is just nothing but a fair practice.

As far as a language neutral to us, it can be any language and any language works just fine as long as we don't lose our regional languages. We can't prefer one over the other because the functionality of any language is still the same if we talk about providing national unity. If we can embrace a foreign language? Why can't it be one of our own?.I'd accept bisaya as my national language, it does not make me less of a tagalog, just like what i've previously mentioned.

If the nontagalogs are embracing the tagalog culture or lets just say language, you've mentioned before that it will just get the students the attitude, like "why would I try and learn bisaya or illongo if we are learning tagalog already? what's the use" It can also happen in english. Student would not feel the need to learn and practice the regional languages since we are already learning english. IF this happen, if you guys keep on saying that the tagalog language is killing the regional languages. What more with english and spanish? It will just end in the same faith where we would lose every single regional languages because the people will start speaking english. Does this mean we will let our own identity die because we wanted something foreign instead one of our own?

Why can't it be our own? That is not the real question. Why can't we make English and Spanish our own? They are, anyway, related to our country's history.

The problem if we choose between Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, most ethnic group will really fall into the disadvantage. For example in a debate championship, If Ilocano is the unifying language, the Ilocanos will have the advantage of expressing themselves since it is their birth tongue. They will have less effort to put as compared to their non-Ilocano counterpart who won't be able to express himself well like the Ilocano because, although he has learned the language in school, is not his native tongue and doesn't use it in a daily basis. At least with English or Spanish, where no one really speaks it natively, it's fair. Both sides have to put the same effort in learning the language.

"If the nontagalogs are embracing the tagalog culture or lets just say language, you've mentioned before that it will just get the students the attitude, like "why would I try and learn bisaya or illongo if we are learning tagalog already? what's the use" It can also happen in english. Student would not feel the need to learn and practice the regional languages since we are already learning english. IF this happen, if you guys keep on saying that the tagalog language is killing the regional languages. What more with english and spanish? It will just end in the same faith where we would lose every single regional languages because the people will start speaking english. Does this mean we will let our own identity die because we wanted something foreign instead one of our own?"

This is highly unlikely given the regionalism of the Philippines. Everybody sticks to their language. Just like how some of the Tagalogs won't bother learning because other people learn their language even when going to other places. here in my place, there Tagalog immigrants don't bother learning Ilocano ..kasi nagTatagalog naman sila

English and Spanish are the common denominators that the Philippines has, so it's better to have that one as the unifying language whilst preserving the vernacular.

Or better yet, let's not have a unifying or that so called national language at all. It fair that way. Let's just have a provincial-declared official languages so that if ever non-natives will immigrate to the area, they will be forced to learn the vernacular.

Why can't it be our own? That is not the real question. Why can't we make English and Spanish our own? They are, anyway, related to our country's history.

The problem if we choose between Tagalog, Ilocano or Bisaya, most ethnic group will really fall into the disadvantage. For example in a debate championship, If Ilocano is the unifying language, the Ilocanos will have the advantage of expressing themselves since it is their birth tongue. They will have less effort to put as compared to their non-Ilocano counterpart who won't be able to express himself well like the Ilocano because, although he has learned the language in school, is not his native tongue and doesn't use it in a daily basis. At least with English or Spanish, where no one really speaks it natively, it's fair. Both sides have to put the same effort in learning the language.

"If the nontagalogs are embracing the tagalog culture or lets just say language, you've mentioned before that it will just get the students the attitude, like "why would I try and learn bisaya or illongo if we are learning tagalog already? what's the use" It can also happen in english. Student would not feel the need to learn and practice the regional languages since we are already learning english. IF this happen, if you guys keep on saying that the tagalog language is killing the regional languages. What more with english and spanish? It will just end in the same faith where we would lose every single regional languages because the people will start speaking english. Does this mean we will let our own identity die because we wanted something foreign instead one of our own?"

This is highly unlikely given the regionalism of the Philippines. Everybody sticks to their language. Just like how some of the Tagalogs won't bother learning because other people learn their language even when going to other places. here in my place, there Tagalog immigrants don't bother learning Ilocano ..kasi nagTatagalog naman sila

English and Spanish are the common denominators that the Philippines has, so it's better to have that one as the unifying language whilst preserving the vernacular.

Or better yet, let's not have a unifying or that so called national language at all. It fair that way. Let's just have a provincial-declared official languages so that if ever non-natives will immigrate to the area, they will be forced to learn the vernacular.

That is you tamper, alter and disrespect the national anthem in an effort to, just as changing the words to ensult and malign it... it does not especify a law against translating the lyrics to any philippine regional languages is punishable by law. There is an english translation of the Philippine national anthem right? There is also a bisayan version but it is not being taught in any Philippine schools....

no, it was clear when it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

it didn't say tamper, alter or disrespect or changing the lyrics.

it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

so anyone who violates it, violates the law.

you can translate it into non-tagalog language, but when you sing it in non-tagalog language... you can be punished by the law.

That is you tamper, alter and disrespect the national anthem in an effort to, just as changing the words to ensult and malign it... it does not especify a law against translating the lyrics to any philippine regional languages is punishable by law. There is an english translation of the Philippine national anthem right? There is also a bisayan version but it is not being taught in any Philippine schools....

no, it was clear when it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

it didn't say tamper, alter or disrespect or changing the lyrics.

it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

so anyone who violates it, violates the law.

you can translate it into non-tagalog language, but when you sing it in non-tagalog language... you can be punished by the law.

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.

But, of course, you can. It is easy though it needs time and patience. All you need is immersion in the language. Surround yourself with English movies, music, magazines, newspapers, tabloids, periodicals, classic literature, novels, crossword puzzles, scrabble. To avoid confusion, do not mix different languages. ;)School and your teachers can only do so much at a certain level; the rest is entirely up to you. Thence the syntax and grammar begins to stick to your head, slowly at first but surely. :)

Thanks for the Tip gagawin ko yan, Namamali na nga ako minsan sa spelling kc sa dame ng word's na pumapasok sa isip ko.. muwahahaha

But, of course, you can. It is easy though it needs time and patience. All you need is immersion in the language. Surround yourself with English movies, music, magazines, newspapers, tabloids, periodicals, classic literature, novels, crossword puzzles, scrabble. To avoid confusion, do not mix different languages. ;)School and your teachers can only do so much at a certain level; the rest is entirely up to you. Thence the syntax and grammar begins to stick to your head, slowly at first but surely. :)

Thanks for the Tip gagawin ko yan, Namamali na nga ako minsan sa spelling kc sa dame ng word's na pumapasok sa isip ko.. muwahahaha

nagiinit na siguro si Don pepe niyan. sayang at naban

:rofl: And banned he should stay. ;)

nagiinit na siguro si Don pepe niyan. sayang at naban

:rofl: And banned he should stay. ;)

In the early days of Philippine immigration to the United States during the time of most of my relatives, I remember they were required to undergo tough TOEFL examinations. To this day, they retain a good command of the language. These days however, it is deplorable that some are immersed totally in the language 24/7 and yet still can’t grasp the basics. I won’t name the regions, much as I’m tempted to use a flamethrower, though… ja ja ja Oh, when I’m good, I’m very gooood. When I’m bad, I’m even better… :lol: :devil:

In the early days of Philippine immigration to the United States during the time of most of my relatives, I remember they were required to undergo tough TOEFL examinations. To this day, they retain a good command of the language. These days however, it is deplorable that some are immersed totally in the language 24/7 and yet still can’t grasp the basics. I won’t name the regions, much as I’m tempted to use a flamethrower, though… ja ja ja Oh, when I’m good, I’m very gooood. When I’m bad, I’m even better… :lol: :devil:

Thanks for the Tip gagawin ko yan, Namamali na nga ako minsan sa spelling kc sa dame ng word's na pumapasok sa isip ko.. muwahahaha You're welcome :). It's really easy if you think of it as a hobby and you immerse yourself in your own world. Think of it as a game, if you can resist the mixing of words, thence you would have improved both English and your own native tongue. Thence the learning process comes much easier and faster. Like yourself, I was also bored stiff with the formal grammar lessons. Arguably the best English teachers I had were the Hollywood classics. :)

Thanks for the Tip gagawin ko yan, Namamali na nga ako minsan sa spelling kc sa dame ng word's na pumapasok sa isip ko.. muwahahaha You're welcome :). It's really easy if you think of it as a hobby and you immerse yourself in your own world. Think of it as a game, if you can resist the mixing of words, thence you would have improved both English and your own native tongue. Thence the learning process comes much easier and faster. Like yourself, I was also bored stiff with the formal grammar lessons. Arguably the best English teachers I had were the Hollywood classics. :)

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.

Yeah, that's the problem there. The word FILIPINO language... literally it should be any of the Philippine languages. If you say filipino, it usually pertain to the person or it's people. It's really big, because tagalog, bisaya, or any regional languages is the actual language, so if you abide by law, filipino can mean any of the Philippine languages.... I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution.

I still don't get why we are all so particular of what language to use, a language is a language, it all serve as a means for cummunication. Choosing one over the other is just nothing but a personal preference more than anything else. No matter what language we use, english , spanish or any of the filipino languages, unless the typical traits and ways most of the filipinos has, it is not gonna make us any better... What we need to do is really get rid of our own crap mentality, tone down our regionalistic cliques and to try not to be opinionated towards one another. We do need to work together for a better future.

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.

Yeah, that's the problem there. The word FILIPINO language... literally it should be any of the Philippine languages. If you say filipino, it usually pertain to the person or it's people. It's really big, because tagalog, bisaya, or any regional languages is the actual language, so if you abide by law, filipino can mean any of the Philippine languages.... I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution.

I still don't get why we are all so particular of what language to use, a language is a language, it all serve as a means for cummunication. Choosing one over the other is just nothing but a personal preference more than anything else. No matter what language we use, english , spanish or any of the filipino languages, unless the typical traits and ways most of the filipinos has, it is not gonna make us any better... What we need to do is really get rid of our own crap mentality, tone down our regionalistic cliques and to try not to be opinionated towards one another. We do need to work together for a better future.

These days, younger & younger generations of Filipinos cannot communicate effectively in either straight Tagalog or straight English. The average juvenile is 100% bound to relapse into smugness using Taglish. The authorities are clueless as to how to arrest the decline.

Notice that in written correspondences and debates, one perceives himself smart (albeit more smart-aleck) when one swigs and swaggers into taglish with a sophisticated accent for the ladies and a hip hop ghetto beat for the men. Due to innate stubbornness, the habit sticks like glue and it carries on with the person wherever he goes. All I see are one liner people; and the only instance I see a considerable amount of English is when they quote newspaper articles. :hilarious like some in the erswhile defunct Federal Thread.

Many had criticised Ms. Janina but I’d seen quite a few newbies themselves flunking their job interviews for relapsing into it, (of course, did they really expect the foreign interviewer to be awed by it?) Some of the younglings who make the grade still relapse into it by speaking taglish to foreigners. Way to go, :rofl:

These days, younger & younger generations of Filipinos cannot communicate effectively in either straight Tagalog or straight English. The average juvenile is 100% bound to relapse into smugness using Taglish. The authorities are clueless as to how to arrest the decline.

Notice that in written correspondences and debates, one perceives himself smart (albeit more smart-aleck) when one swigs and swaggers into taglish with a sophisticated accent for the ladies and a hip hop ghetto beat for the men. Due to innate stubbornness, the habit sticks like glue and it carries on with the person wherever he goes. All I see are one liner people; and the only instance I see a considerable amount of English is when they quote newspaper articles. :hilarious like some in the erswhile defunct Federal Thread.

Many had criticised Ms. Janina but I’d seen quite a few newbies themselves flunking their job interviews for relapsing into it, (of course, did they really expect the foreign interviewer to be awed by it?) Some of the younglings who make the grade still relapse into it by speaking taglish to foreigners. Way to go, :rofl:

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.
:lol: I agree. If nobody from the vested interest groups, whom we dare not speak for fear of dreadful retribution, had tampered with the Malolos Constitution, then none of this regional vs. national thinggy would’ve happened. When neutral languages like English or Spanish thrived during the Commonwealth, every tribe and region was at peace with each other because everyone felt equality and brotherhood with all. Yea, the lynchpin word is “Equality”.

^That law is the reason why, despite the different translations in other vernacular being available, is not being sung. It's still in Tagalog.

There's something wrong with the law.

Let's just sing it Spanish, in the original version. Better that way.
:lol: I agree. If nobody from the vested interest groups, whom we dare not speak for fear of dreadful retribution, had tampered with the Malolos Constitution, then none of this regional vs. national thinggy would’ve happened. When neutral languages like English or Spanish thrived during the Commonwealth, every tribe and region was at peace with each other because everyone felt equality and brotherhood with all. Yea, the lynchpin word is “Equality”.

I maybe wrong with this Mercato but I've been noticing that even the bisaya are almost following suit with this trend, mixing bisaya with english. I've heard a teenager say "Nice, ka ayo..." just to name one example for it...

And to respond to your last comment. The constitution was written in spanish back then but still there were only few filipinos were giving a chance with education and be taught with the spanish language. So, somehow since the american gave us their language, we are now enjoying the benefit of landing jobs overseas... And if it did happen that spanish remained our national language, I can guarantee you that our native dialects and languages would have disappeared already, so, somehow you're right about the " regional vs national thingy probably would have not happened" if focus is about the language, but since it's in our own nature to be cliquish when it comes to regional biases, I doubt if that would really be erased even if we speak the same national language, whether it maybe spanish or english, we would always have an opinion towards one another and I'm sure the Imperialist Manila issue would still trive regardless...

I maybe wrong with this Mercato but I've been noticing that even the bisaya are almost following suit with this trend, mixing bisaya with english. I've heard a teenager say "Nice, ka ayo..." just to name one example for it...

And to respond to your last comment. The constitution was written in spanish back then but still there were only few filipinos were giving a chance with education and be taught with the spanish language. So, somehow since the american gave us their language, we are now enjoying the benefit of landing jobs overseas... And if it did happen that spanish remained our national language, I can guarantee you that our native dialects and languages would have disappeared already, so, somehow you're right about the " regional vs national thingy probably would have not happened" if focus is about the language, but since it's in our own nature to be cliquish when it comes to regional biases, I doubt if that would really be erased even if we speak the same national language, whether it maybe spanish or english, we would always have an opinion towards one another and I'm sure the Imperialist Manila issue would still trive regardless...

^^^^Oh, but no, 'tis a mistaken notion. Such instances you spoke of are rare because we do not institutionalise it. The folks living in Manila flaunt it to their heart’s delight in all levels of society and in all aspects of daily life.

A couple of months back, I went home and accompanied a friend to the nearest BPI ATM. I thought I was cross-eyed then, but I’m sure I saw there was an option for “Taglish” on the ATM! So it has come to this, slowly but surely it is encroaching on more official levels of society. Pres GMA & other DepEd staff are allocating more funds to reverse the decline of English but I’m afraid their efforts are not nearly enough.

For Spanish, hmmmmm, let’s see…. Well, all our native languages survived unscathed, robust and thriving, didn’t they? Remarkable after 333years, wouldn’t you agree? The only thing which went to near extinction was Spanish itself. So, in the overall scheme of things, it is not the real culprit or the “killer” language that it was thought to be.

Let’s say, if we spoke English as the common language, thence animosities toward “Imperial Manila” will disappear; case in point, the Commonwealth of the Philippines. There was no such thing as “Imperial Manila” in that era, no animosities. Regionalism will also be held in check by a neutral language. True, cliques & clans are inherent in human nature (not just in the Phils), but these can be held in check by a common neutral denominator / or language, if you will. ;)

^^^^Oh, but no, 'tis a mistaken notion. Such instances you spoke of are rare because we do not institutionalise it. The folks living in Manila flaunt it to their heart’s delight in all levels of society and in all aspects of daily life.

A couple of months back, I went home and accompanied a friend to the nearest BPI ATM. I thought I was cross-eyed then, but I’m sure I saw there was an option for “Taglish” on the ATM! So it has come to this, slowly but surely it is encroaching on more official levels of society. Pres GMA & other DepEd staff are allocating more funds to reverse the decline of English but I’m afraid their efforts are not nearly enough.

For Spanish, hmmmmm, let’s see…. Well, all our native languages survived unscathed, robust and thriving, didn’t they? Remarkable after 333years, wouldn’t you agree? The only thing which went to near extinction was Spanish itself. So, in the overall scheme of things, it is not the real culprit or the “killer” language that it was thought to be.

Let’s say, if we spoke English as the common language, thence animosities toward “Imperial Manila” will disappear; case in point, the Commonwealth of the Philippines. There was no such thing as “Imperial Manila” in that era, no animosities. Regionalism will also be held in check by a neutral language. True, cliques & clans are inherent in human nature (not just in the Phils), but these can be held in check by a common neutral denominator / or language, if you will. ;)

^^^^ we can never tell.... but I am sure if we started to use english as the national language or even spanish, 20 years from now, students won't even have any more interest in our native languages because we have english in school solely and outside, then, we just killed our own culture. Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...

^^^^ we can never tell.... but I am sure if we started to use english as the national language or even spanish, 20 years from now, students won't even have any more interest in our native languages because we have english in school solely and outside, then, we just killed our own culture. Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...

Yeah, that's the problem there. The word FILIPINO language... literally it should be any of the Philippine languages. If you say filipino, it usually pertain to the person or it's people. It's really big, because tagalog, bisaya, or any regional languages is the actual language, so if you abide by law, filipino can mean any of the Philippine languages.... I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution.

I still don't get why we are all so particular of what language to use, a language is a language, it all serve as a means for cummunication. Choosing one over the other is just nothing but a personal preference more than anything else. No matter what language we use, english , spanish or any of the filipino languages, unless the typical traits and ways most of the filipinos has, it is not gonna make us any better... What we need to do is really get rid of our own crap mentality, tone down our regionalistic cliques and to try not to be opinionated towards one another. We do need to work together for a better future.

It's not only the labeling that is the problem. The laws and system itself which conditions the mind of the people. Look at our educational system. it's only the Tagalogs who have the advantage in learning their language, history and literature. Ibong Adara, Florante at Laura, but are we taught Biag ni Lam-ang, Manical lay Labi, Hudhud, etc? Are we taught about Juan de la Cruz Palaris, Pedro Calungsod? Our history is manily focused mon Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Rizal. The contributions of the so other national heroes, earlier than Boni's time' are 'skipped'.

"I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution."

You did not get bukid's explanation. It's not about changing the lyrics.(If that's the case, the everybody had been punished because many had used the wrong word in some of the lyrics) Several politicians who attempted to mandate that the national anthem were warned that if they do that, a case against them will be filed because not singing it in the National anthem which is Tagalog.

There goes the problem.

True, regionalism should be toned down, but you can't just tell the people to tone it down without promoting equality. These Tagalog-centric laws are the ones nurturing regionalism.

of course, people will be particular which language to use because language is culture. I'm sure you know that. That is the reason why you are insisting that the national language be based in one of 'native languages'(heck, if it's all about 'nativeness of a language, we should be using then the languages of the Aeta people who have been here long before our Austronesian ancestors invaded the islands). And since language is culture, there really will be conflict if the unifying language in a very diverse country like ours will put one into the advantage(those who speak it natively) and the rest into disadvantage(and those who don't speak it natively). It's ala Communism. It's like between the ruling class and the ruled class. Take the case of the ethnic Lao in Thailand, they are slowly losing their identity because the government are Tai-zing them. Tai-fication. In the Philippines, the government is "Tagalogification".

Yeah, that's the problem there. The word FILIPINO language... literally it should be any of the Philippine languages. If you say filipino, it usually pertain to the person or it's people. It's really big, because tagalog, bisaya, or any regional languages is the actual language, so if you abide by law, filipino can mean any of the Philippine languages.... I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution.

I still don't get why we are all so particular of what language to use, a language is a language, it all serve as a means for cummunication. Choosing one over the other is just nothing but a personal preference more than anything else. No matter what language we use, english , spanish or any of the filipino languages, unless the typical traits and ways most of the filipinos has, it is not gonna make us any better... What we need to do is really get rid of our own crap mentality, tone down our regionalistic cliques and to try not to be opinionated towards one another. We do need to work together for a better future.

It's not only the labeling that is the problem. The laws and system itself which conditions the mind of the people. Look at our educational system. it's only the Tagalogs who have the advantage in learning their language, history and literature. Ibong Adara, Florante at Laura, but are we taught Biag ni Lam-ang, Manical lay Labi, Hudhud, etc? Are we taught about Juan de la Cruz Palaris, Pedro Calungsod? Our history is manily focused mon Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Rizal. The contributions of the so other national heroes, earlier than Boni's time' are 'skipped'.

"I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution."

You did not get bukid's explanation. It's not about changing the lyrics.(If that's the case, the everybody had been punished because many had used the wrong word in some of the lyrics) Several politicians who attempted to mandate that the national anthem were warned that if they do that, a case against them will be filed because not singing it in the National anthem which is Tagalog.

There goes the problem.

True, regionalism should be toned down, but you can't just tell the people to tone it down without promoting equality. These Tagalog-centric laws are the ones nurturing regionalism.

of course, people will be particular which language to use because language is culture. I'm sure you know that. That is the reason why you are insisting that the national language be based in one of 'native languages'(heck, if it's all about 'nativeness of a language, we should be using then the languages of the Aeta people who have been here long before our Austronesian ancestors invaded the islands). And since language is culture, there really will be conflict if the unifying language in a very diverse country like ours will put one into the advantage(those who speak it natively) and the rest into disadvantage(and those who don't speak it natively). It's ala Communism. It's like between the ruling class and the ruled class. Take the case of the ethnic Lao in Thailand, they are slowly losing their identity because the government are Tai-zing them. Tai-fication. In the Philippines, the government is "Tagalogification".

I understood what bukid mentioned clearly, my interpretation of the law was just different from how you guys interpret it... But then again, even if the national anthem is being forced to each and every filipinos to be sung in strictly tagalog lyrics. There is no law banning all filipinos to speak their native languages at home to their own families and friend...

But yes, it's time to put other regionalistic languages and cultures be added to the curriculum in their own respective regions. And if language is culture, then we can't use english as the national language because there is nothing we can related to with an english based culture... I don't think it's the tagalog-centric law is the main culprit for nurturing regionalism, it's the economic biases would be the biggest factor for it and how media portrays certain regions in movies, then, you've got the attitude of the people, especially the Manilenos going to provinces that is causing resentments of other regions towards them...

I understood what bukid mentioned clearly, my interpretation of the law was just different from how you guys interpret it... But then again, even if the national anthem is being forced to each and every filipinos to be sung in strictly tagalog lyrics. There is no law banning all filipinos to speak their native languages at home to their own families and friend...

But yes, it's time to put other regionalistic languages and cultures be added to the curriculum in their own respective regions. And if language is culture, then we can't use english as the national language because there is nothing we can related to with an english based culture... I don't think it's the tagalog-centric law is the main culprit for nurturing regionalism, it's the economic biases would be the biggest factor for it and how media portrays certain regions in movies, then, you've got the attitude of the people, especially the Manilenos going to provinces that is causing resentments of other regions towards them...

^^^^ we can never tell.... but I am sure if we started to use english as the national language or even spanish, 20 years from now, students won't even have any more interest in our native languages because we have english in school solely and outside, then, we just killed our own culture. Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

How can you be sure about that since it's been proven that for 333 years under Spanish rule and 50 years under the US rule, our languages survived as pointed out by Mercato earlier. Even their grammar are not like Spanish at all. We don't have the 'to be' verb present in many Euro languages. The grammar is still very Austronesian - the focus type.

My relatives who grew up during the American period where English was the sole language in school, are more multi-lingual than us(as in they speak more local languages than us), the younger generation.
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I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...

When the Americans came about 10% of the population could speak Spanish. We have the same case as Latin America, only the elite spoke Spanish but to put together the different indigenous people, they made Spanish the unifying language. In Paraguay, 90% of its population could speak the indigenous language, while all can speak Spanish. In Peru, a healthy number can speak Aymara and Quechua, and the unifying language is Spanish. If in this countries, the "colonial" language was made the national language, why can't it work in the Philippines.

I don't believe that people were gradually uninterested in learning Spanish. The number of Spanish speakers declined when Marcos removed it out of the curriculum. They were slowly but surely increasing. It's sad that even creole speakers are also starting to be extinct, like the Ermitano Chavacano and Ternate Chavacao.

^^^^ we can never tell.... but I am sure if we started to use english as the national language or even spanish, 20 years from now, students won't even have any more interest in our native languages because we have english in school solely and outside, then, we just killed our own culture. Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

How can you be sure about that since it's been proven that for 333 years under Spanish rule and 50 years under the US rule, our languages survived as pointed out by Mercato earlier. Even their grammar are not like Spanish at all. We don't have the 'to be' verb present in many Euro languages. The grammar is still very Austronesian - the focus type.

My relatives who grew up during the American period where English was the sole language in school, are more multi-lingual than us(as in they speak more local languages than us), the younger generation.
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I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...

When the Americans came about 10% of the population could speak Spanish. We have the same case as Latin America, only the elite spoke Spanish but to put together the different indigenous people, they made Spanish the unifying language. In Paraguay, 90% of its population could speak the indigenous language, while all can speak Spanish. In Peru, a healthy number can speak Aymara and Quechua, and the unifying language is Spanish. If in this countries, the "colonial" language was made the national language, why can't it work in the Philippines.

I don't believe that people were gradually uninterested in learning Spanish. The number of Spanish speakers declined when Marcos removed it out of the curriculum. They were slowly but surely increasing. It's sad that even creole speakers are also starting to be extinct, like the Ermitano Chavacano and Ternate Chavacao.

From you guys alone because you guys have mentioned that the students in your region are now more influenced by tagalogs so they don't want to learn their own native regionalistic languages because of it, so, if the student does not have no interest with the native languages. What more if english is strictly imposed than any of the native languages?

Like I said, the spanish were taught in Philippine schools since from our declaration of independence, up to the middle 80's I believe, how come it did not flourish then? It was given a chance and place in the Philippine school. Am I correct? I know my parents and grand parents never spoke spanish it was in the Philippine school system. Why did it get removed during the Marcos era? because it became worthless and just added burden to all the filipino students...

From you guys alone because you guys have mentioned that the students in your region are now more influenced by tagalogs so they don't want to learn their own native regionalistic languages because of it, so, if the student does not have no interest with the native languages. What more if english is strictly imposed than any of the native languages?

Like I said, the spanish were taught in Philippine schools since from our declaration of independence, up to the middle 80's I believe, how come it did not flourish then? It was given a chance and place in the Philippine school. Am I correct? I know my parents and grand parents never spoke spanish it was in the Philippine school system. Why did it get removed during the Marcos era? because it became worthless and just added burden to all the filipino students...

You still don't get it.

The reason is not because people are not interested in their native languages, it's because our educational system and constitution paralyzes the growth and enrichment of non-Tagalog cultures.

Statistics show that Filipinos who can speak English, along with speakers of other native languages, are decreasing and only Tagalog speakers are increasing.

You get the point

And as I mentioned earlier. most younger generations are not only losing their proficiency in English, but also int heir native languages and shifting the the language of the media - the Englog language(you naman na kasi...it's so ganda...)

You still don't get it.

The reason is not because people are not interested in their native languages, it's because our educational system and constitution paralyzes the growth and enrichment of non-Tagalog cultures.

Statistics show that Filipinos who can speak English, along with speakers of other native languages, are decreasing and only Tagalog speakers are increasing.

You get the point

And as I mentioned earlier. most younger generations are not only losing their proficiency in English, but also int heir native languages and shifting the the language of the media - the Englog language(you naman na kasi...it's so ganda...)

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send nyo saken pagkatapos, kopyahin baka balang araw magamit

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send nyo saken pagkatapos, kopyahin baka balang araw magamit

You still don't get it.

The reason is not because people are not interested in their native languages, it's because our educational system and constitution paralyzes the growth and enrichment of non-Tagalog cultures.

Statistics show that Filipinos who can speak English, along with speakers of other native languages, are decreasing and only Tagalog speakers are increasing.

You get the point

And as I mentioned earlier. most younger generations are not only losing their proficiency in English, but also int heir native languages and shifting the the language of the media - the Englog language(you naman na kasi...it's so ganda...)

So, the same educational system and constitution wouldn't paralyze the growth or the regionalistic language if english is relegated as a national language instead of tagalog.. That's what I've been saying all along, it will be the beginning of our dying languages and culture because every filipinos would switch into pure english because of being disinterested with their own native tongues.

The younger generations are losing their native languages and english proficiency skills, you're correct, it's because of the media and one biggest factor is, we are losing our most talented professionals because they are all leaving the country in search for a greener pasture abroad... mostly due to economic reason but partly due to colonial mentality where anything foreign is better.

You still don't get it.

The reason is not because people are not interested in their native languages, it's because our educational system and constitution paralyzes the growth and enrichment of non-Tagalog cultures.

Statistics show that Filipinos who can speak English, along with speakers of other native languages, are decreasing and only Tagalog speakers are increasing.

You get the point

And as I mentioned earlier. most younger generations are not only losing their proficiency in English, but also int heir native languages and shifting the the language of the media - the Englog language(you naman na kasi...it's so ganda...)

So, the same educational system and constitution wouldn't paralyze the growth or the regionalistic language if english is relegated as a national language instead of tagalog.. That's what I've been saying all along, it will be the beginning of our dying languages and culture because every filipinos would switch into pure english because of being disinterested with their own native tongues.

The younger generations are losing their native languages and english proficiency skills, you're correct, it's because of the media and one biggest factor is, we are losing our most talented professionals because they are all leaving the country in search for a greener pasture abroad... mostly due to economic reason but partly due to colonial mentality where anything foreign is better.

"So, the same educational system and constitution wouldn't paralyze the growth or the regionalistic language if english is relegated as a national language instead of tagalog.. That's what I've been saying all along, it will be the beginning of our dying languages and culture because every filipinos would switch into pure english because of being disinterested with their own native tongues."

Given the fact that English is the present MOI, is Tagalog declining? Only the non-Tagalog languages are. You see, as I mentioned earlier, my grandparents who grew up during the American period knew more local languages than us, the younger generation who are trapped in a Tagalog-centric education and 1987 constitution. History has proven that English and Spanish have hardly become the culprit here because despite their presence, our languages were never lost. We've had English as the MOI since the Americans came(We've been using English as MOI for nearly 100 years now). Spanish had been present in the Philippines for nearly 400 years. Why are you scared of English? Why are you scared of Spanish? When you don't even seem to be alarmed that the constitution highly discourages the national anthem, which was originally written in Spanish, be sung in the other vernaculars and those who attempt to do so will be punished? You even insist that it's all about tampering the lyrics when the law states it clear. The national anthem should always be sung in the NATIONAL LANGUAGE(which is Tagalog). it did not say that any alteration to the lyrics will be considered a crime.

Double standard

For 333 years, Spanish had been the lingua franca of the islands, but were the local languages lost? No. Because Spanish stood as a neutralizer. It even stood as a unifying language. Remember the Tagalog-Capampangan alliance? It's most likely that these two ethnic groups spoke to each other in Spanish or Spanish creole. But Tagalog and Capampangan live up to this day. The only sad thing here is the number of Capampangan speakers are declining and shifting to Tagalog because of the Tagalog-centric constitution, Tagalog-centric media, and most especially the Tagalog-centric educational system

"we are losing our most talented professionals because they are all leaving the country in search for a greener pasture abroad... mostly due to economic reason but partly due to colonial mentality where anything foreign is better."

This is a funny assumption. Old school and hardly proven. It's most likely that Filipinos remaining in the Philippines have the CM syndrome than those who go abroad. Can you blame them if they think that life abroad is better? Even non-citizens in other countries get better benefits that the natural-born citizens of the Philippines. It's human nature and practicality that you'll prefer comfort and benefits over 'nationalism'. They have to survive. And don't even underestimate them as these people who migrate help keep our economy afloat and compensating the inability of the government to boost the economy. Just listen ton the DJs in Metro Manila, trying hard American tongue. I won't mind if it's natural but most have obvious trying hard American accent. Aside from that, migration is a natural phenomenon. We wouldn't be here if our ancestors did not migrate. We would not have a Chinese community if their ancestors did not migrate(which mostly is due to economic reasons too... given your statement, it's like your saying that people migrate because they have colonial mentality. So our ancestors had colonial mentality because they migrated to these islands from Mainland Asia. I guess that would 'explain' why modern-day Filipinos have colonial mentality.

"So, the same educational system and constitution wouldn't paralyze the growth or the regionalistic language if english is relegated as a national language instead of tagalog.. That's what I've been saying all along, it will be the beginning of our dying languages and culture because every filipinos would switch into pure english because of being disinterested with their own native tongues."

Given the fact that English is the present MOI, is Tagalog declining? Only the non-Tagalog languages are. You see, as I mentioned earlier, my grandparents who grew up during the American period knew more local languages than us, the younger generation who are trapped in a Tagalog-centric education and 1987 constitution. History has proven that English and Spanish have hardly become the culprit here because despite their presence, our languages were never lost. We've had English as the MOI since the Americans came(We've been using English as MOI for nearly 100 years now). Spanish had been present in the Philippines for nearly 400 years. Why are you scared of English? Why are you scared of Spanish? When you don't even seem to be alarmed that the constitution highly discourages the national anthem, which was originally written in Spanish, be sung in the other vernaculars and those who attempt to do so will be punished? You even insist that it's all about tampering the lyrics when the law states it clear. The national anthem should always be sung in the NATIONAL LANGUAGE(which is Tagalog). it did not say that any alteration to the lyrics will be considered a crime.

Double standard

For 333 years, Spanish had been the lingua franca of the islands, but were the local languages lost? No. Because Spanish stood as a neutralizer. It even stood as a unifying language. Remember the Tagalog-Capampangan alliance? It's most likely that these two ethnic groups spoke to each other in Spanish or Spanish creole. But Tagalog and Capampangan live up to this day. The only sad thing here is the number of Capampangan speakers are declining and shifting to Tagalog because of the Tagalog-centric constitution, Tagalog-centric media, and most especially the Tagalog-centric educational system

"we are losing our most talented professionals because they are all leaving the country in search for a greener pasture abroad... mostly due to economic reason but partly due to colonial mentality where anything foreign is better."

This is a funny assumption. Old school and hardly proven. It's most likely that Filipinos remaining in the Philippines have the CM syndrome than those who go abroad. Can you blame them if they think that life abroad is better? Even non-citizens in other countries get better benefits that the natural-born citizens of the Philippines. It's human nature and practicality that you'll prefer comfort and benefits over 'nationalism'. They have to survive. And don't even underestimate them as these people who migrate help keep our economy afloat and compensating the inability of the government to boost the economy. Just listen ton the DJs in Metro Manila, trying hard American tongue. I won't mind if it's natural but most have obvious trying hard American accent. Aside from that, migration is a natural phenomenon. We wouldn't be here if our ancestors did not migrate. We would not have a Chinese community if their ancestors did not migrate(which mostly is due to economic reasons too... given your statement, it's like your saying that people migrate because they have colonial mentality. So our ancestors had colonial mentality because they migrated to these islands from Mainland Asia. I guess that would 'explain' why modern-day Filipinos have colonial mentality.

no, it was clear when it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

it didn't say tamper, alter or disrespect or changing the lyrics.

it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

so anyone who violates it, violates the law.

you can translate it into non-tagalog language, but when you sing it in non-tagalog language... you can be punished by the law. Your interpretation is accurate...

no, it was clear when it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

it didn't say tamper, alter or disrespect or changing the lyrics.

it says:

The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country.

so anyone who violates it, violates the law.

you can translate it into non-tagalog language, but when you sing it in non-tagalog language... you can be punished by the law. Your interpretation is accurate...

Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...Yes, the classic AngloSaxon way of colonisation – round up the conquered natives and herd them into “reservations” to set them apart from civilised society. Same pattern for the Eskimos, the Native Americans and the Hawaiians; also for the Aussie Aborigines but they failed in South Africa & Puerto Rico coz the Zulus and the Ricans multiplied faster.
The constitution was written in spanish back then but still there were only few filipinos were giving a chance with education and be taught with the spanish language. This is hardly the appropriate thread, being the English thread… however, the Malolos Constitution was not only written in Spanish but it explicitly stated that Spanish be the National Language. It is no secret that the vast majority of the Aguinaldo Cabinet and the KKK were Tagalogs & Illustrados; they were educated in Europe. These were no dimwits nor loonies nor dumb hillbillies but these were Illustrados.

If they all thought Spanish was only spoken by a tiny few and not a true lingua franca in 1898, thence why did they not choose Tagalog instead, their maternal tongue? They could have easily done so but they did not. It’s clearly written in the Malolos Constitution (the mandate of Spanish).

Tagalog was only declared National Language after 1946.

But that ain’t my point. My point is, the Illustrados, in their wisdom, saw it fit to use a “neutral” language in order to unify our multilingual archipelago. It was Spanish then in 1898. When the Americans came, a second neutral language was introduced.

Perhaps the most clear cut example would be, again, the Philippine Commonwealth. Under the neutral languages, everyone was at peace with each other. Did any single language suffer? No, many languages – English, Spanish, the native languages flourished. In fact, Cebuano had its Golden Age in the 1930s. That was how it was back then, that is how it ought to be.
Linguistic bliss & harmony. :)

Why do you think the native hawaiian are dying working hard to preserve their native language and culture?

I am not sure if the Spanish language did go instinct, for one thing like I've always said like a broken record, it was never taught to the natives except for a very few priveledged ones. I may have extinct to the few priveldged ones but not the majority. We had spanish in the Philipine educational system starting from our declaration of independence up to the Marcos Era, even if we did have spanish in highschool and college back then, nobody really learned it. We can't blame the Americans for it after our own independence because it was being taught in Philippine schools, nobody really showed interest with it nor actually learned. Only a very few who were actually of spanish descent kept it...Yes, the classic AngloSaxon way of colonisation – round up the conquered natives and herd them into “reservations” to set them apart from civilised society. Same pattern for the Eskimos, the Native Americans and the Hawaiians; also for the Aussie Aborigines but they failed in South Africa & Puerto Rico coz the Zulus and the Ricans multiplied faster.
The constitution was written in spanish back then but still there were only few filipinos were giving a chance with education and be taught with the spanish language. This is hardly the appropriate thread, being the English thread… however, the Malolos Constitution was not only written in Spanish but it explicitly stated that Spanish be the National Language. It is no secret that the vast majority of the Aguinaldo Cabinet and the KKK were Tagalogs & Illustrados; they were educated in Europe. These were no dimwits nor loonies nor dumb hillbillies but these were Illustrados.

If they all thought Spanish was only spoken by a tiny few and not a true lingua franca in 1898, thence why did they not choose Tagalog instead, their maternal tongue? They could have easily done so but they did not. It’s clearly written in the Malolos Constitution (the mandate of Spanish).

Tagalog was only declared National Language after 1946.

But that ain’t my point. My point is, the Illustrados, in their wisdom, saw it fit to use a “neutral” language in order to unify our multilingual archipelago. It was Spanish then in 1898. When the Americans came, a second neutral language was introduced.

Perhaps the most clear cut example would be, again, the Philippine Commonwealth. Under the neutral languages, everyone was at peace with each other. Did any single language suffer? No, many languages – English, Spanish, the native languages flourished. In fact, Cebuano had its Golden Age in the 1930s. That was how it was back then, that is how it ought to be.
Linguistic bliss & harmony. :)

It's not only the labeling that is the problem. The laws and system itself which conditions the mind of the people. Look at our educational system. it's only the Tagalogs who have the advantage in learning their language, history and literature. Ibong Adara, Florante at Laura, but are we taught Biag ni Lam-ang, Manical lay Labi, Hudhud, etc? Are we taught about Juan de la Cruz Palaris, Pedro Calungsod? Our history is manily focused mon Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Rizal. The contributions of the so other national heroes, earlier than Boni's time' are 'skipped'.

"I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution."

You did not get bukid's explanation. It's not about changing the lyrics.(If that's the case, the everybody had been punished because many had used the wrong word in some of the lyrics) Several politicians who attempted to mandate that the national anthem were warned that if they do that, a case against them will be filed because not singing it in the National anthem which is Tagalog.

There goes the problem.

True, regionalism should be toned down, but you can't just tell the people to tone it down without promoting equality. These Tagalog-centric laws are the ones nurturing regionalism.

of course, people will be particular which language to use because language is culture. I'm sure you know that. That is the reason why you are insisting that the national language be based in one of 'native languages'(heck, if it's all about 'nativeness of a language, we should be using then the languages of the Aeta people who have been here long before our Austronesian ancestors invaded the islands). And since language is culture, there really will be conflict if the unifying language in a very diverse country like ours will put one into the advantage(those who speak it natively) and the rest into disadvantage(and those who don't speak it natively). It's ala Communism. It's like between the ruling class and the ruled class. Take the case of the ethnic Lao in Thailand, they are slowly losing their identity because the government are Tai-zing them. Tai-fication. In the Philippines, the government is "Tagalogification".

In all honesty, I do not even know who these folks are. Relatively little is mentioned about Diego & Gabriela Silang and Dagohoy, they being Ilocanos and a Boholano, right?

But I generally agree with the points you elucidated… :)

It's not only the labeling that is the problem. The laws and system itself which conditions the mind of the people. Look at our educational system. it's only the Tagalogs who have the advantage in learning their language, history and literature. Ibong Adara, Florante at Laura, but are we taught Biag ni Lam-ang, Manical lay Labi, Hudhud, etc? Are we taught about Juan de la Cruz Palaris, Pedro Calungsod? Our history is manily focused mon Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Rizal. The contributions of the so other national heroes, earlier than Boni's time' are 'skipped'.

"I interpret the lyrics as an interpretation of it's meaning that even if you use any of the native dialects and languages, you are not in violation of the constitution."

You did not get bukid's explanation. It's not about changing the lyrics.(If that's the case, the everybody had been punished because many had used the wrong word in some of the lyrics) Several politicians who attempted to mandate that the national anthem were warned that if they do that, a case against them will be filed because not singing it in the National anthem which is Tagalog.

There goes the problem.

True, regionalism should be toned down, but you can't just tell the people to tone it down without promoting equality. These Tagalog-centric laws are the ones nurturing regionalism.

of course, people will be particular which language to use because language is culture. I'm sure you know that. That is the reason why you are insisting that the national language be based in one of 'native languages'(heck, if it's all about 'nativeness of a language, we should be using then the languages of the Aeta people who have been here long before our Austronesian ancestors invaded the islands). And since language is culture, there really will be conflict if the unifying language in a very diverse country like ours will put one into the advantage(those who speak it natively) and the rest into disadvantage(and those who don't speak it natively). It's ala Communism. It's like between the ruling class and the ruled class. Take the case of the ethnic Lao in Thailand, they are slowly losing their identity because the government are Tai-zing them. Tai-fication. In the Philippines, the government is "Tagalogification".

In all honesty, I do not even know who these folks are. Relatively little is mentioned about Diego & Gabriela Silang and Dagohoy, they being Ilocanos and a Boholano, right?

But I generally agree with the points you elucidated… :)

In a sense, more and more filipinos are speaking tagalog, but are they honestly speaking less and less or their native languages and dialect. From what we see around , no, alot are just speaking tagalog fluently but they are speaking bisaya or what have you in their homes, even in Manila, you hear bisaya or illongos speaks to one another in their native tongues. The only problem right now is that the filipinos are starting to speak like the "collegialas" language as part of the latest fad in speaking english. It's something ineveitable because it's part of language evolution, that even in an english speaking countries, the english they speak is changing.

In a sense, more and more filipinos are speaking tagalog, but are they honestly speaking less and less or their native languages and dialect. From what we see around , no, alot are just speaking tagalog fluently but they are speaking bisaya or what have you in their homes, even in Manila, you hear bisaya or illongos speaks to one another in their native tongues. The only problem right now is that the filipinos are starting to speak like the "collegialas" language as part of the latest fad in speaking english. It's something ineveitable because it's part of language evolution, that even in an english speaking countries, the english they speak is changing.

In all honesty, I do not even know who these folks are. Relatively little is mentioned about Diego & Gabriela Silang and Dagohoy, they being Ilocanos and a Boholano, right?

But I generally agree with the points you elucidated… :)

Biag ni Lam-ang is an Ilocano epic which has been present since the rpe-hispanic time. Manilac lay Labi is similar only that it is in Pangasinense. Pedro Calungsod is a Cebuano independence fighter, if I'm not mistaken. Juan de la Cruz Palaris is a revolutionary in Pangasinan in the 1600's. It is said that he partly inspired the Diego Silang revolt. Hudhud is an Ifugao epic.

Sadly, our educational system only concentrates on Tagalog literature and it's like a broken record. Ibong Adarna in grade 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, high school, college.

There are many pre hispanic epics out there, they aren't just taught in school. How many Filipinos know that the myth/legend of Princess Urduja is one of the oral epic of the Ibalois?

"In a sense, more and more filipinos are speaking tagalog, but are they honestly speaking less and less or their native languages and dialect. From what we see around , no, alot are just speaking tagalog fluently but they are speaking bisaya or what have you in their homes, even in Manila, you hear bisaya or illongos speaks to one another in their native tongues. The only problem right now is that the filipinos are starting to speak like the "collegialas" language as part of the latest fad in speaking english. It's something ineveitable because it's part of language evolution, that even in an english speaking countries, the english they speak is changing."

From my observation, this is phenomenon only in Metro Manila and Southern Tagalog because speaking like a colegiala is a status symbol unlike here in the North, if you speak like a colegiala, you're a laughing stack. We use English loan words but we do not speak with the trying hard American accent that the some showbiz personalities have.

The problem is not Filipinos speaking the colegiala way. There really is a problem in our system that forces people to speak Tagalog.

Thre goes the problem. The non-tagalog languages is limited at one's home, unlike Tagalog which is nurtured not only in schools, but also in the media.Non-Tagalog languages are treated as second class or 'language-of-the-promdis-who-have-funny-accent'.

Reminds me of the SSS controversy

Juday: Dapat Tagalog para Pinoy.

There was even this scene in the movie where Juday was saying to her mother that she has told their maid that she should not speak to her son in Bisaya but in Tagalog.

What's wrong with the Nanny teaching her Bisaya language to her alaga?

In all honesty, I do not even know who these folks are. Relatively little is mentioned about Diego & Gabriela Silang and Dagohoy, they being Ilocanos and a Boholano, right?

But I generally agree with the points you elucidated… :)

Biag ni Lam-ang is an Ilocano epic which has been present since the rpe-hispanic time. Manilac lay Labi is similar only that it is in Pangasinense. Pedro Calungsod is a Cebuano independence fighter, if I'm not mistaken. Juan de la Cruz Palaris is a revolutionary in Pangasinan in the 1600's. It is said that he partly inspired the Diego Silang revolt. Hudhud is an Ifugao epic.

Sadly, our educational system only concentrates on Tagalog literature and it's like a broken record. Ibong Adarna in grade 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, high school, college.

There are many pre hispanic epics out there, they aren't just taught in school. How many Filipinos know that the myth/legend of Princess Urduja is one of the oral epic of the Ibalois?

"In a sense, more and more filipinos are speaking tagalog, but are they honestly speaking less and less or their native languages and dialect. From what we see around , no, alot are just speaking tagalog fluently but they are speaking bisaya or what have you in their homes, even in Manila, you hear bisaya or illongos speaks to one another in their native tongues. The only problem right now is that the filipinos are starting to speak like the "collegialas" language as part of the latest fad in speaking english. It's something ineveitable because it's part of language evolution, that even in an english speaking countries, the english they speak is changing."

From my observation, this is phenomenon only in Metro Manila and Southern Tagalog because speaking like a colegiala is a status symbol unlike here in the North, if you speak like a colegiala, you're a laughing stack. We use English loan words but we do not speak with the trying hard American accent that the some showbiz personalities have.

The problem is not Filipinos speaking the colegiala way. There really is a problem in our system that forces people to speak Tagalog.

Thre goes the problem. The non-tagalog languages is limited at one's home, unlike Tagalog which is nurtured not only in schools, but also in the media.Non-Tagalog languages are treated as second class or 'language-of-the-promdis-who-have-funny-accent'.

Reminds me of the SSS controversy

Juday: Dapat Tagalog para Pinoy.

There was even this scene in the movie where Juday was saying to her mother that she has told their maid that she should not speak to her son in Bisaya but in Tagalog.

What's wrong with the Nanny teaching her Bisaya language to her alaga?

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country.

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country.

@Nabartek: It's Malinac Lay Labi, and it is a love song :)

@Nabartek: It's Malinac Lay Labi, and it is a love song :)

I don't have anything much on this thread because I think this thread really just promotes the awareness in the need to improve english speaking skills of the filipino students which is quite alright. But, promoting english to be our national language? I don't know about that....

Filipinos in the earlier days speaks english real well even if they speak their native tongues at home. All we needed to do here is to continue promoting awareness because I think the Philippine government is already aware about the decline in english and math skills of our students. We need a better system and help retain our teachers because we are losing our precious talents overseas but we can't blame them when poverty strikes in many corners of our country...

I don't have anything much on this thread because I think this thread really just promotes the awareness in the need to improve english speaking skills of the filipino students which is quite alright. But, promoting english to be our national language? I don't know about that....

Filipinos in the earlier days speaks english real well even if they speak their native tongues at home. All we needed to do here is to continue promoting awareness because I think the Philippine government is already aware about the decline in english and math skills of our students. We need a better system and help retain our teachers because we are losing our precious talents overseas but we can't blame them when poverty strikes in many corners of our country...

i say strengthen our local languages, i can see our proficiency in english isnt really making a dent in our economy/lives.

we are so blinded by ths stats that said: Phil one of the biggest english speakers in the world... but it has done nothing significant... callcenters? bpo? = India, not unless we mobilize the poor and make them callcenter agents, but these "agents" are supposed to be scientists, nurses, lawyers etc. sad really...

we havent taken advantage of our mastery of the universal language, now howbout mastery of our local languages?

i say strengthen our local languages, i can see our proficiency in english isnt really making a dent in our economy/lives.

we are so blinded by ths stats that said: Phil one of the biggest english speakers in the world... but it has done nothing significant... callcenters? bpo? = India, not unless we mobilize the poor and make them callcenter agents, but these "agents" are supposed to be scientists, nurses, lawyers etc. sad really...

we havent taken advantage of our mastery of the universal language, now howbout mastery of our local languages?

true at that... We need to strengthen our economy by producing our own products to improve the import and export exchange because that would produce more jobs within the Philippines. All these hypes about languages is nothing but a mere promotion to produce graduates to be sent overseas... especially the United states, canada and australia that once they are a citizen of those countries, they would pay taxes to their new homeland instead of the philippines. That is one of the main reason why the filipino students are lagging behind in english and most importantly in Mathematics to begin with... We are losing our talented professionals overseas..

true at that... We need to strengthen our economy by producing our own products to improve the import and export exchange because that would produce more jobs within the Philippines. All these hypes about languages is nothing but a mere promotion to produce graduates to be sent overseas... especially the United states, canada and australia that once they are a citizen of those countries, they would pay taxes to their new homeland instead of the philippines. That is one of the main reason why the filipino students are lagging behind in english and most importantly in Mathematics to begin with... We are losing our talented professionals overseas..

The Philippines as an English Speaking Nation

direct ang dating ng pamagat...

how bout

"English as Part of the Philippine Official Languages":nuts:

The Philippines as an English Speaking Nation

direct ang dating ng pamagat...

how bout

"English as Part of the Philippine Official Languages":nuts:

true at that... We need to strengthen our economy by producing our own products to improve the import and export exchange because that would produce more jobs within the Philippines. All these hypes about languages is nothing but a mere promotion to produce graduates to be sent overseas... especially the United states, canada and australia that once they are a citizen of those countries, they would pay taxes to their new homeland instead of the philippines. That is one of the main reason why the filipino students are lagging behind in english and most importantly in Mathematics to begin with... We are losing our talented professionals overseas..

nagiguilty naman ako sa sinabi mo.... lol pero initial lang to kase mahirap talaga sa pinas, but with money, we can be creative in our ventures :cheers:

and to those people who think english, spanish can be a substitute to our very own filipino, i beg to disagree. kaya nga naiinggit ako sa mga chinese eh kase wherever they go they bring their culture with them and thats including trheir language.... there are chinese who cant even speak a lil bit of english, even those superstars from HK have crooked english but why is china becoming a superpower? pero ibang punto na yan hehe! ang sa akin lang mga kababayan whether bisaya tagalog waray FILIPINO, how can we showcase our culture to the world if we are not proud of our own languages?

love our culture love our languages! who fought for our freedom against colonizers who seek to undermine our identity and impose their own....

true at that... We need to strengthen our economy by producing our own products to improve the import and export exchange because that would produce more jobs within the Philippines. All these hypes about languages is nothing but a mere promotion to produce graduates to be sent overseas... especially the United states, canada and australia that once they are a citizen of those countries, they would pay taxes to their new homeland instead of the philippines. That is one of the main reason why the filipino students are lagging behind in english and most importantly in Mathematics to begin with... We are losing our talented professionals overseas..

nagiguilty naman ako sa sinabi mo.... lol pero initial lang to kase mahirap talaga sa pinas, but with money, we can be creative in our ventures :cheers:

and to those people who think english, spanish can be a substitute to our very own filipino, i beg to disagree. kaya nga naiinggit ako sa mga chinese eh kase wherever they go they bring their culture with them and thats including trheir language.... there are chinese who cant even speak a lil bit of english, even those superstars from HK have crooked english but why is china becoming a superpower? pero ibang punto na yan hehe! ang sa akin lang mga kababayan whether bisaya tagalog waray FILIPINO, how can we showcase our culture to the world if we are not proud of our own languages?

love our culture love our languages! who fought for our freedom against colonizers who seek to undermine our identity and impose their own....

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country.

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country.

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.

Nationalism, Americanism, Internationalism —Lope K. Santos

Nationalism, Americanism, Internationalism —Lope K. Santos

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.

Not really, if you speak tagalog and you speak your native regional dialect, tagalog is only your secondary language. Tagalog is being taught in schools all over the philippines so that from Jolo to Batanes, we can communicate in one language, otherwise, it would of been mandated by the Philippine government that no other language be spoken at home and our families except Tagalog, but then there has been no law against speaking your own native tongue at home. The late Ferdiand Marcos never dropped his Ilocano language and has supported his native town in Ilocos Sur to support some progress in that region but he never told his people to drop ilocano and speak tagalog only in that region. Picking up the english language over any of our native languages just all tell us that our languages are inferior as well. Now we use tagalog to communicate to one another just as how we would communicate english to any foreigners.

No one is suggesting to abolish the english language in the Philippine educational system, it is there to stay. What we are really discussing in this thread is about how we can change the decline in the english languge skills , I don't know why most everybody here is so focused on the language when THE FILIPINO STUDENTS ARE LAGGING BEHIND IN MATHEMATICS AS WELL, which only means that the educational system in the Philippines is declining... If this is happening, even if we speak english fluently, if our professionals would be behind other professional counter parts all over the world, we would lose the ability to be one of the most prefered foreign trained professional abroad. We are seing this now with the people from India, Information technology wise, they are racing forward and ahead of us in this area. Now, in health field, there are chinese and taiwanese nowadays that are breaking into the foreign market. So what is really turning prospective employers and investors from the Philippines? This is where we need to focus more on, our economy, educational system and competetive professionals who can cater for foreign investors that is beyond what other neigboring countries can offer. And lastly the stability on our polical system.

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.

Not really, if you speak tagalog and you speak your native regional dialect, tagalog is only your secondary language. Tagalog is being taught in schools all over the philippines so that from Jolo to Batanes, we can communicate in one language, otherwise, it would of been mandated by the Philippine government that no other language be spoken at home and our families except Tagalog, but then there has been no law against speaking your own native tongue at home. The late Ferdiand Marcos never dropped his Ilocano language and has supported his native town in Ilocos Sur to support some progress in that region but he never told his people to drop ilocano and speak tagalog only in that region. Picking up the english language over any of our native languages just all tell us that our languages are inferior as well. Now we use tagalog to communicate to one another just as how we would communicate english to any foreigners.

No one is suggesting to abolish the english language in the Philippine educational system, it is there to stay. What we are really discussing in this thread is about how we can change the decline in the english languge skills , I don't know why most everybody here is so focused on the language when THE FILIPINO STUDENTS ARE LAGGING BEHIND IN MATHEMATICS AS WELL, which only means that the educational system in the Philippines is declining... If this is happening, even if we speak english fluently, if our professionals would be behind other professional counter parts all over the world, we would lose the ability to be one of the most prefered foreign trained professional abroad. We are seing this now with the people from India, Information technology wise, they are racing forward and ahead of us in this area. Now, in health field, there are chinese and taiwanese nowadays that are breaking into the foreign market. So what is really turning prospective employers and investors from the Philippines? This is where we need to focus more on, our economy, educational system and competetive professionals who can cater for foreign investors that is beyond what other neigboring countries can offer. And lastly the stability on our polical system.

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country. The Regional Languages thread had shown ample studies and percentages of the undeniable decline of all the Regional Languages in the present situation. That had never happened before and it is very alarming.

The first step toward the extinction of our regional cultures is to erase each regional language (slow erosion). Now why is that happening, despite the regional language being spoken at home?? Why is it so important for Tagalog to be taught to us instead of our own regional tongue? That does not make sense to me either.

Again, one must think in terms of “Equality”. Then perhaps one can begin to see the light. :)

^^ the mentality is that tagalog is "nationalism", bisaya and the rest of the non-tagalog languages is "regionalism".

He who promotes and encourage the use of tagalog is considered "nationalistic" and "patriotic" while he who promotes and encourage the use of non-tagalog languages are branded as "regionalistic" and a traitor to the integrity and unity of the country. The Regional Languages thread had shown ample studies and percentages of the undeniable decline of all the Regional Languages in the present situation. That had never happened before and it is very alarming.

The first step toward the extinction of our regional cultures is to erase each regional language (slow erosion). Now why is that happening, despite the regional language being spoken at home?? Why is it so important for Tagalog to be taught to us instead of our own regional tongue? That does not make sense to me either.

Again, one must think in terms of “Equality”. Then perhaps one can begin to see the light. :)

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.
The 2nd paragraph is very interesting. Hence, if Filipinas can be thought of from another point of view as an artificial creation, then what's the point of maintaining a whole country containing many, many mini states? :) Another food for thought...

As to the 3rd paragraph, but of course it is better. Taglish is an abomination and unbeknownst to many, it can destroy proficiency in both Tagalog and English. Why would anyone want to mutilate himself linguistically? If Nationalists want their culture intact, then they should strive for pure Tagalog. If Educators want their students to succeed in the Math and Sciences, the first step is to consolidate their skills in pure English.

I agree with that first paragraph, I mean growing up in Metro Manila I took it for granted that every Filipino would speak Tagalog as their first language. It's a tough issue and I think that's where English can serve as a "balancer"

In a Benedict Anderson-sort of thinking, "Filipino" is an artificial construction. Had King Phillip II been called "Steve" we could been Stevipinos. Mindanao could've been easily been colonized by Portugal, Holland, Britain or remained independent. I think in a way English merits its place as a national language for it is one of the things that all Filipinos can have, a right to learn English in schools. Some "regions" may even prefer it over Tagalog, for using a language of the people from Southern Luzon may suggest that other languages are inferior.

I think we've moved on from "English is a colonizer's language". Philippine English is alive and well. The fact that people may laugh at "broken Taglish" means that they believe American English is better, nothing more.
The 2nd paragraph is very interesting. Hence, if Filipinas can be thought of from another point of view as an artificial creation, then what's the point of maintaining a whole country containing many, many mini states? :) Another food for thought...

As to the 3rd paragraph, but of course it is better. Taglish is an abomination and unbeknownst to many, it can destroy proficiency in both Tagalog and English. Why would anyone want to mutilate himself linguistically? If Nationalists want their culture intact, then they should strive for pure Tagalog. If Educators want their students to succeed in the Math and Sciences, the first step is to consolidate their skills in pure English.

^^^ Again, because tagalog is meant to provide a medium for communication not only to the tagalogs region but to the other regions as well, like Bicol, Pampanga, Ilocos and such. I don't think it is really intended to erase the regional languages or there would be especifically for it. Hell, it's the people's attitude sometimes is what causing the decline in regional languages because they follow what they see on TV and really take it by heart. Just look at who most of our people vote in the past and still probably going on right now? Movie stars and such...

I am also opposing to the extinction of other regional languages, but I think all of these happened because of the number of regional languages and dialects in the Philippines. Sure, spanish and english would serve as a medium for communication and instruction but are they consider better than any of our native dialects and languages, if we would put our infatuation to a foreign language aside then to stop and think first that theirs are better than what we already have?

I can see where the other regions would be clamoring for an equal treatment of other languages, but for crying out loud, how many languages and dialects do we have? 86? from what I understand it's over 200. How can we all squeeze in all those in the educational system? The fund that it would be requiring and the tedious task our government has to face and endure would be just unbelievable, yet, they would have to face the battle of an unstable economy of the Philippines. Our economy alone is nothing but a challege especially with the enormous amount of corruptions going that is plaguing the system not only in the so called "Imperial Manila" but almost everywhere in the Philippines.

^^^ Again, because tagalog is meant to provide a medium for communication not only to the tagalogs region but to the other regions as well, like Bicol, Pampanga, Ilocos and such. I don't think it is really intended to erase the regional languages or there would be especifically for it. Hell, it's the people's attitude sometimes is what causing the decline in regional languages because they follow what they see on TV and really take it by heart. Just look at who most of our people vote in the past and still probably going on right now? Movie stars and such...

I am also opposing to the extinction of other regional languages, but I think all of these happened because of the number of regional languages and dialects in the Philippines. Sure, spanish and english would serve as a medium for communication and instruction but are they consider better than any of our native dialects and languages, if we would put our infatuation to a foreign language aside then to stop and think first that theirs are better than what we already have?

I can see where the other regions would be clamoring for an equal treatment of other languages, but for crying out loud, how many languages and dialects do we have? 86? from what I understand it's over 200. How can we all squeeze in all those in the educational system? The fund that it would be requiring and the tedious task our government has to face and endure would be just unbelievable, yet, they would have to face the battle of an unstable economy of the Philippines. Our economy alone is nothing but a challege especially with the enormous amount of corruptions going that is plaguing the system not only in the so called "Imperial Manila" but almost everywhere in the Philippines.