how true? we have this notion, or as the government claims it, that we are the 3rd (or whatever) largest english speaking nation/people. do you really believe it? i seem to doubt it (except for the ssc forumers, hehehe). lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?

altho we have fine colleges and universities, i have experienced quite a number college graduates having a hard time composing simple paragraphs. do you think our quality of english speakers have gone down? or is it the result of mismanaged priorities of our department of education, culture and sports? don't you think we need to rethink and retool the way we teach english in schools?

what's your take on it?

how true? we have this notion, or as the government claims it, that we are the 3rd (or whatever) largest english speaking nation/people. do you really believe it? i seem to doubt it (except for the ssc forumers, hehehe). lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?

altho we have fine colleges and universities, i have experienced quite a number college graduates having a hard time composing simple paragraphs. do you think our quality of english speakers have gone down? or is it the result of mismanaged priorities of our department of education, culture and sports? don't you think we need to rethink and retool the way we teach english in schools?

what's your take on it?

how true? we have this notion, or as the government claims it, that we are the 3rd (or whatever) largest english speaking nation/people. do you really believe it? i seem to doubt it (except for the ssc forumers, hehehe). lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?

altho we have fine colleges and universities, i have experienced quite a number college graduates having a hard time composing simple paragraphs. do you think our quality of english speakers have gone down? or is it the result of mismanaged priorities of our department of education, culture and sports? don't you think we need to rethink and retool the way we teach english in schools?

what's your take on it?


I've been battling with this issue in my mind for so long that it's no longer on the top of my pet peeves. As an educator, I can assure you that the Philippines no longer deserves to be accurately titled an "English-speaking nation"...Unfortunately, this is a by-product of so many Presidential adminstrations who've wanted to give in to the rants and raves of the "ultra-nationalist intellectuals" who insisted so much on implementing the vernacular as medium of instruction in RP schools.


But instead of developing toward a level of bilingual proficiency, the Philippine education system deteriorated into a morass of inconsistencies and severely under-funded holding bins of young minds. Instead of maintaining our competitive edge in English communication far beyond other Asian nations, we've allowed ourselves to slip behind those who never had the experience of American colonial tutelage. I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!

Filipinos as a whole have fallen far behind in our ability to compose in English--compare the writings of even the 1960s to today's--int he 21st century, even in the more urbane Philippine publications, if grammatical errors don't run rampant and disappointingly elementary, the level of development and articulation is juvenile!

While others may be quick to shred me alive, this to me represents the "miseducation of the Filipino": a misguided thrust toward nationalism which failed to foresee the need to sustain competence in a global community. Nakakahiya!

how true? we have this notion, or as the government claims it, that we are the 3rd (or whatever) largest english speaking nation/people. do you really believe it? i seem to doubt it (except for the ssc forumers, hehehe). lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?

altho we have fine colleges and universities, i have experienced quite a number college graduates having a hard time composing simple paragraphs. do you think our quality of english speakers have gone down? or is it the result of mismanaged priorities of our department of education, culture and sports? don't you think we need to rethink and retool the way we teach english in schools?

what's your take on it?


I've been battling with this issue in my mind for so long that it's no longer on the top of my pet peeves. As an educator, I can assure you that the Philippines no longer deserves to be accurately titled an "English-speaking nation"...Unfortunately, this is a by-product of so many Presidential adminstrations who've wanted to give in to the rants and raves of the "ultra-nationalist intellectuals" who insisted so much on implementing the vernacular as medium of instruction in RP schools.


But instead of developing toward a level of bilingual proficiency, the Philippine education system deteriorated into a morass of inconsistencies and severely under-funded holding bins of young minds. Instead of maintaining our competitive edge in English communication far beyond other Asian nations, we've allowed ourselves to slip behind those who never had the experience of American colonial tutelage. I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!

Filipinos as a whole have fallen far behind in our ability to compose in English--compare the writings of even the 1960s to today's--int he 21st century, even in the more urbane Philippine publications, if grammatical errors don't run rampant and disappointingly elementary, the level of development and articulation is juvenile!

While others may be quick to shred me alive, this to me represents the "miseducation of the Filipino": a misguided thrust toward nationalism which failed to foresee the need to sustain competence in a global community. Nakakahiya!

Try another approach: re-adopt Spanish.

joking, joking. ;)

cheers.

Try another approach: re-adopt Spanish.

joking, joking. ;)

cheers.

^Actually. what I’d noticed when I went home that tagalog people was lacking english proficiency big time rather than sa mga bisaya. So, I think it’s by the region.

^Actually. what I’d noticed when I went home that tagalog people was lacking english proficiency big time rather than sa mga bisaya. So, I think it’s by the region.

lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?


much of Indians, Singaporeans, Pakistanis etc. living abroad are good in english coz most of them are professionals same thing with Filipino professionals are good in english even here or abroad but majority of our OFW's are not professionals that are less educated or graduated from low standard schools... so these are several reasons that they are not good english. But if we compare less fortunate (in terms of education) Filipino's from other less fortunate citizens of other countries, we are better than them interms of english speaking ability.

About grammar, you know, outside the Philippines GRAMMAR is not a big issue specially in the US, Filipinos are just english perfectionists thats why every single mistake of a person specially our fellow Filipinos speaking english, we give more attention on his grammar and how he pronounces the word that leads to a point that he will be laughed at.

About our being 3rd largest speaking nation...for me, we are not an English speaking Nation, english is only widespoken thats why that perception exist but another is that more than 90% of our population can understand english and probably can speak even those less fortunate or uneducated Filipinos, they can still understand and can speak even a few english words and can create a simple carabao english sentence that can be understood buy an english speaking individual...
but its true that Filipinos who speak better english had gone down but I believe that it won't go down into a very critical level coz we are closely hooked to the western world.

lots of pinoys here in toronto (not all) can't seem to grasp of a good grammar.

i've met a lot of south asians (indians, sri lankans and pakistanis), singaporeans, and even caribbeans who were much better in english (never mind the accent, or whatever add-ons to the language). how good in english are we? a speaker? or a writer? or even a reader?


much of Indians, Singaporeans, Pakistanis etc. living abroad are good in english coz most of them are professionals same thing with Filipino professionals are good in english even here or abroad but majority of our OFW's are not professionals that are less educated or graduated from low standard schools... so these are several reasons that they are not good english. But if we compare less fortunate (in terms of education) Filipino's from other less fortunate citizens of other countries, we are better than them interms of english speaking ability.

About grammar, you know, outside the Philippines GRAMMAR is not a big issue specially in the US, Filipinos are just english perfectionists thats why every single mistake of a person specially our fellow Filipinos speaking english, we give more attention on his grammar and how he pronounces the word that leads to a point that he will be laughed at.

About our being 3rd largest speaking nation...for me, we are not an English speaking Nation, english is only widespoken thats why that perception exist but another is that more than 90% of our population can understand english and probably can speak even those less fortunate or uneducated Filipinos, they can still understand and can speak even a few english words and can create a simple carabao english sentence that can be understood buy an english speaking individual...
but its true that Filipinos who speak better english had gone down but I believe that it won't go down into a very critical level coz we are closely hooked to the western world.

^Actually. what I’d noticed when I went home that tagalog people was lacking english proficiency big time rather than sa mga bisaya. So, I think it’s by the region.

so what's its relation?
Is there a difference on tagalog english and bisaya english?

^Actually. what I’d noticed when I went home that tagalog people was lacking english proficiency big time rather than sa mga bisaya. So, I think it’s by the region.

so what's its relation?
Is there a difference on tagalog english and bisaya english?

^ I'm Tagalog but I noticed that, too. The Visayans appear to be more proficient in English. It may be that the quality of public education is better there.

^ I'm Tagalog but I noticed that, too. The Visayans appear to be more proficient in English. It may be that the quality of public education is better there.

Cebuanos prefer to speak English...

It's just weird... The Filipino lessons they're teaching here (especially in grammar) are not the practically used in Manila. Sabi nga ng dad ko, pinagtawanan daw siya ng magtagalog siya... :D

Cebuanos prefer to speak English...

It's just weird... The Filipino lessons they're teaching here (especially in grammar) are not the practically used in Manila. Sabi nga ng dad ko, pinagtawanan daw siya ng magtagalog siya... :D

Eh yung father ko nga, he's Waray pero mas malalim pa mag-Tagalog sa 'kin. He still uses "ngunit, subalit and datapwat" instead of "pero" or "kaya lang". Funny!

Eh yung father ko nga, he's Waray pero mas malalim pa mag-Tagalog sa 'kin. He still uses "ngunit, subalit and datapwat" instead of "pero" or "kaya lang". Funny!

"I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!"

The topic for this thread is English proficiency. The criteria for the listing of Asia's top universities are: number of professors with Ph.D., number of research published and size of library. Our top universities are deficient on all of those criteria. Aside from publication which involves writing in English, the placement of our universities didn't say anything about English proficiency. We could be at the top hierarchy if it's just going to be English.

"I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!"

The topic for this thread is English proficiency. The criteria for the listing of Asia's top universities are: number of professors with Ph.D., number of research published and size of library. Our top universities are deficient on all of those criteria. Aside from publication which involves writing in English, the placement of our universities didn't say anything about English proficiency. We could be at the top hierarchy if it's just going to be English.

Eh yung father ko nga, he's Waray pero mas malalim pa mag-Tagalog sa 'kin. He still uses "ngunit, subalit and datapwat" instead of "pero" or "kaya lang". Funny!


Ako nga pinagtawanan din, sabi ko kasi GURO, titser pala dito sa Manila.

Napansin ko lang sa mga US-based forums wala rin namang grammar English nila. Often times mali gamit nila ng A and AN, using then instead of than.

Eh yung father ko nga, he's Waray pero mas malalim pa mag-Tagalog sa 'kin. He still uses "ngunit, subalit and datapwat" instead of "pero" or "kaya lang". Funny!


Ako nga pinagtawanan din, sabi ko kasi GURO, titser pala dito sa Manila.

Napansin ko lang sa mga US-based forums wala rin namang grammar English nila. Often times mali gamit nila ng A and AN, using then instead of than.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's the accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's the accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

I feel the same way with spanglish.

I feel the same way with spanglish.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's an accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

tumpak! and about the grammar, during my college days, I am the one who wrote the introduction of our thesis and my biggest problem is that I have a very poor grammar, one time when I was in an internet cafe I doubted about my grammar so I asked an american through YM but everytime I ask him he always say, "yep you are correct" eventhough I created a sentence that I know that it has a wrong grammar but still he says It's correct.. so this means we Filipinos are too perfect when it comes to english grammar... infact I have read an article naming the Filipinos as the 2nd "best" (not largest) english speakers in the world because of our being english perfectionists and I think our being perfectionist is not that positive to hear IMO.

About the tagalog and visayan english...
I think it has nothing to do with the quality of education but it is because English is the armour or counterpart of the Visayans whenever a tagalog would talk to him/her...coz we Visayans always say that english is easier than tagalog...and also of the accent, visayan accent IMo is quite the same with the accent used in english...tagalog accent is too soft for english use.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's an accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

tumpak! and about the grammar, during my college days, I am the one who wrote the introduction of our thesis and my biggest problem is that I have a very poor grammar, one time when I was in an internet cafe I doubted about my grammar so I asked an american through YM but everytime I ask him he always say, "yep you are correct" eventhough I created a sentence that I know that it has a wrong grammar but still he says It's correct.. so this means we Filipinos are too perfect when it comes to english grammar... infact I have read an article naming the Filipinos as the 2nd "best" (not largest) english speakers in the world because of our being english perfectionists and I think our being perfectionist is not that positive to hear IMO.

About the tagalog and visayan english...
I think it has nothing to do with the quality of education but it is because English is the armour or counterpart of the Visayans whenever a tagalog would talk to him/her...coz we Visayans always say that english is easier than tagalog...and also of the accent, visayan accent IMo is quite the same with the accent used in english...tagalog accent is too soft for english use.

Filipinos are just english perfectionists thats why every single mistake of a person specially our fellow Filipinos speaking english, we give more attention on his grammar and how he pronounces the word that leads to a point that he will be laughed at.


i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

Filipinos are just english perfectionists thats why every single mistake of a person specially our fellow Filipinos speaking english, we give more attention on his grammar and how he pronounces the word that leads to a point that he will be laughed at.


i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's an accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

Oh, Kimber. I see-saw when I speak with Pinoys. It's part of the lingua franca. I don't think it affects English language proficiency. There is formal English and conversational English, as well as the lingua franca. So, please don't be peeved.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's an accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

Oh, Kimber. I see-saw when I speak with Pinoys. It's part of the lingua franca. I don't think it affects English language proficiency. There is formal English and conversational English, as well as the lingua franca. So, please don't be peeved.

i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

yup, I noticed that too.... my question is, WHY? :weird:

i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

yup, I noticed that too.... my question is, WHY? :weird:

About the tagalog and visayan english...
I think it has nothing to do with the quality of education but it is because English is the armour or counterpart of the Visayans whenever a tagalog would talk to him/her...coz we Visayans always say that english is easier than tagalog...and also of the accent, visayan accent IMo is quite the same with the accent used in english...tagalog accent is too soft for english use.

I don't want to engage in a local language debate here but this was brought up before. Why are some Visayans so defensive when a Tagalog speaks with them in Tagalog/Filipino. If only we can ably speak with you in Bisaya/Cebuano we will. Sometimes, Tagalogs feel uncomfortable speaking in English to a fellow kababayan. It does not occur to them that the Visayans will rather speak with them in English. So, I wrote of this story before when I vacationed in Cebu and took a jeepney. People were unresponsive when I was asking for directions and felt awkward to ask the driver in English. Maybe it was just my luck that day.

About the tagalog and visayan english...
I think it has nothing to do with the quality of education but it is because English is the armour or counterpart of the Visayans whenever a tagalog would talk to him/her...coz we Visayans always say that english is easier than tagalog...and also of the accent, visayan accent IMo is quite the same with the accent used in english...tagalog accent is too soft for english use.

I don't want to engage in a local language debate here but this was brought up before. Why are some Visayans so defensive when a Tagalog speaks with them in Tagalog/Filipino. If only we can ably speak with you in Bisaya/Cebuano we will. Sometimes, Tagalogs feel uncomfortable speaking in English to a fellow kababayan. It does not occur to them that the Visayans will rather speak with them in English. So, I wrote of this story before when I vacationed in Cebu and took a jeepney. People were unresponsive when I was asking for directions and felt awkward to ask the driver in English. Maybe it was just my luck that day.

I don't want to engage in a local language debate here but this was brought up before. Why are some Visayans so defensive when a Tagalog speaks with them in Tagalog/Filipino. If only we can ably speak with you in Bisaya/Cebuano we will. Sometimes, Tagalogs feel uncomfortable speaking in English to a fellow kababayan. It does not occur to them that the Visayans will rather speak with them in English. So, I wrote of this story before when I vacationed in Cebu and took a jeepney. People were unresponsive when I was asking for directions and felt awkward to ask the driver in English. Maybe it was just my luck that day.

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"...
This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why! :drool:

I don't want to engage in a local language debate here but this was brought up before. Why are some Visayans so defensive when a Tagalog speaks with them in Tagalog/Filipino. If only we can ably speak with you in Bisaya/Cebuano we will. Sometimes, Tagalogs feel uncomfortable speaking in English to a fellow kababayan. It does not occur to them that the Visayans will rather speak with them in English. So, I wrote of this story before when I vacationed in Cebu and took a jeepney. People were unresponsive when I was asking for directions and felt awkward to ask the driver in English. Maybe it was just my luck that day.

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"...
This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why! :drool:

Oh, Kimber. I see-saw when I speak with Pinoys. It's part of the lingua franca. I don't think it affects English language proficiency. There is formal English and conversational English, as well as the lingua franca. So, please don't be peeved.

Hey, to each his own. I make a conscience effort to speak and stay in one language when I talk to people, be it Pinoy or otherwise. So how can one improve their proficiency level if they keep on switching back and forth?

You can see-saw to your heart's content I'm not counting that against you. You're a hard person not to like! :colgate:

Oh, Kimber. I see-saw when I speak with Pinoys. It's part of the lingua franca. I don't think it affects English language proficiency. There is formal English and conversational English, as well as the lingua franca. So, please don't be peeved.

Hey, to each his own. I make a conscience effort to speak and stay in one language when I talk to people, be it Pinoy or otherwise. So how can one improve their proficiency level if they keep on switching back and forth?

You can see-saw to your heart's content I'm not counting that against you. You're a hard person not to like! :colgate:

ang malambot, madaling patigasin parang semento
pero
and matigas ay mahirap nang palambotin...

the same with

mas madaling turuan ang bata coz malambot pa ang kanyang katwatwan
pero
mahirap na turuan ang matanda coz matigas na katwan...

ang malambot, madaling patigasin parang semento
pero
and matigas ay mahirap nang palambotin...

the same with

mas madaling turuan ang bata coz malambot pa ang kanyang katwatwan
pero
mahirap na turuan ang matanda coz matigas na katwan...

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"...
This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why! :drool:

I think you are not alone in that predicament when you have to talk to Tagalogs. You become self-conscious or resistant. On the other hand, Tagalogs do not know this at first. Perhaps it's the same treatment. When we go to Cebu, we have to speak the language there. If only we were taught how to speak it in school. It takes more sensitivity and understanding on each other's part. I guess it's important to have this dialogue in order to place one another in each other's shoes and understand each other.

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"...
This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why! :drool:

I think you are not alone in that predicament when you have to talk to Tagalogs. You become self-conscious or resistant. On the other hand, Tagalogs do not know this at first. Perhaps it's the same treatment. When we go to Cebu, we have to speak the language there. If only we were taught how to speak it in school. It takes more sensitivity and understanding on each other's part. I guess it's important to have this dialogue in order to place one another in each other's shoes and understand each other.

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"... This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why!

its not your fault, like what i posted in ealier thread that my cebuanong lolo and I had a bit of language barrier that is because hes more acknowledge in english and when we communicate, we talk in english rather than in tagalog. its easier. on the other hand, cus that are raised here,mom side, was well brought up to talk in cebuano, i felt so bad that my tita had thought them the wrong dialect. how would they understand the rest of us? tsk tsk tsk

it is because you just don't understand our situation when we engange in tagalog conversation... hindi naman ibig sabihin na "you should speak cebuano or english coz you are in Cebu or we don't like the language just bec we don't like it".. nop! we have the reasonable reason...maybe We can UNDERSTAND well, we can WRITE tagalog well but when it comes to face to face conversation, the 1st thing in my mind is "OMG, how will I deal with this"... This is my own: I am hesitant to talk to tagalogs, and I will always say "tagalog lang. is really very hard to speak", forgive me Lord but its the real truth, redundant to hear but sorry coz I just dunno why!

its not your fault, like what i posted in ealier thread that my cebuanong lolo and I had a bit of language barrier that is because hes more acknowledge in english and when we communicate, we talk in english rather than in tagalog. its easier. on the other hand, cus that are raised here,mom side, was well brought up to talk in cebuano, i felt so bad that my tita had thought them the wrong dialect. how would they understand the rest of us? tsk tsk tsk

I think Tagalog shouldn't be the only Filipino language taught in schools, it's just one of the "major" dialects of the country. Cebuano (Visayan) and Ilocano are major dialects too and should have equal representation. Maybe it's high time to change the status of English and Tagalog (Pilipino) as the only two official languages of the country and include other dialects that millions of other Filipinos use as their "first language."

I think Tagalog shouldn't be the only Filipino language taught in schools, it's just one of the "major" dialects of the country. Cebuano (Visayan) and Ilocano are major dialects too and should have equal representation. Maybe it's high time to change the status of English and Tagalog (Pilipino) as the only two official languages of the country and include other dialects that millions of other Filipinos use as their "first language."

^^ Agree with that. Just a clarification, they are not just dialects but full languages.

Hey, to each his own. I make a conscience effort to speak and stay in one language when I talk to people, be it Pinoy or otherwise. So how can one improve their proficiency level if they keep on switching back and forth?

You don't think it's possible? I'd like to know of studies about this. I think @janchiz was conducting a study on linguistics before. I hope she is reading this to shed light on her findings.

You can see-saw to your heart's content I'm not counting that against you. You're a hard person not to like! :colgate:

Oh, dear dear Kimber, I'm glad I haven't tested your patience yet. :)

^^ Agree with that. Just a clarification, they are not just dialects but full languages.

Hey, to each his own. I make a conscience effort to speak and stay in one language when I talk to people, be it Pinoy or otherwise. So how can one improve their proficiency level if they keep on switching back and forth?

You don't think it's possible? I'd like to know of studies about this. I think @janchiz was conducting a study on linguistics before. I hope she is reading this to shed light on her findings.

You can see-saw to your heart's content I'm not counting that against you. You're a hard person not to like! :colgate:

Oh, dear dear Kimber, I'm glad I haven't tested your patience yet. :)

^^ My patience is long....but once I snap....my wrath on anyone is longer! :hahano:

^^ My patience is long....but once I snap....my wrath on anyone is longer! :hahano:

I'll try not to push you to your breaking point and speak straight English with you. ;)

I'll try not to push you to your breaking point and speak straight English with you. ;)

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When we go to Cebu, we have to speak the language there. If only we were taught how to speak it in school. .

kung ma ka tuto kang mag salita ng Cebuano, you can easily adjust coz your accent is soft and it is not hard to shift from soft to hard but our situation is different, we can't easily adopt the way you speak tagalog interms of accent coz its harder to shift from hard to soft... that simple to understand
so no need for a special dialogue and for the tagalog people na nasaktan ko noong sa una pa with this matter and also with you Lili, sorry talaga I don't mean anything besides my reason.

When we go to Cebu, we have to speak the language there. If only we were taught how to speak it in school. .

kung ma ka tuto kang mag salita ng Cebuano, you can easily adjust coz your accent is soft and it is not hard to shift from soft to hard but our situation is different, we can't easily adopt the way you speak tagalog interms of accent coz its harder to shift from hard to soft... that simple to understand
so no need for a special dialogue and for the tagalog people na nasaktan ko noong sa una pa with this matter and also with you Lili, sorry talaga I don't mean anything besides my reason.

^ Yeah. Ganon pala.

^ Yeah. Ganon pala.

yeah , it's really bad when peoples don't speak correct english

yeah , it's really bad when peoples don't speak correct english

^I'm agree.

^I'm agree.

remember jimmy santos with his carabao english, "i love you 3 times a day"? hilarious, but sad. :ohno:

remember jimmy santos with his carabao english, "i love you 3 times a day"? hilarious, but sad. :ohno:

I think her longleggedness melanie is much better,
just as good as Erap,twide as good as jimmy but much better looking

e.g.

At a talk show after her break-up with Derek Dee, Melanie was asked if she had some words for Derek’s mother (whom she partly blamed for the separation). “Oo nga,” said Melanie, “pero i-English-in ko para maintindihan niya.” She looked into the camera and, with the peremptoriness of royalty, said, “And to you, Mrs. Dee, I have two words for you. Ang labo mo!”

for more of her eraptions : http://arnoldgamboa.com/2004/08/dont-judge-my-brother-hes-not-a-book-and-other-melanie-marquez-quotable-quotes/

I think her longleggedness melanie is much better,
just as good as Erap,twide as good as jimmy but much better looking

e.g.

At a talk show after her break-up with Derek Dee, Melanie was asked if she had some words for Derek’s mother (whom she partly blamed for the separation). “Oo nga,” said Melanie, “pero i-English-in ko para maintindihan niya.” She looked into the camera and, with the peremptoriness of royalty, said, “And to you, Mrs. Dee, I have two words for you. Ang labo mo!”

for more of her eraptions : http://arnoldgamboa.com/2004/08/dont-judge-my-brother-hes-not-a-book-and-other-melanie-marquez-quotable-quotes/

for other's sakes, because they're not a covers, melanie's eraptions:

Here’re some actual quotes from Melanie Marquez, the former Miss International, also a self confessed Madame Malaprop. (Note: Malapropism, meaning “a ludicrous misuse of a word”). It’ll make your day.

* * *
My brother is not a girl; he’s a gentleman.

* * *

That’s why I’m a success, it’s because I don’t middle in other people’s lives.

* * *

Don’t judge my brother; he’s not a book.

* * *

I won’t stoop down to my level.

* * *

Hello? Bulag ka ba? Bingi ka ba? Are you dep?

* * *

‘Yung STD, baka sa maruming toilet lang niya nakuha yan.

* * *

Eh, ikaw ba naman, durugin ang ari mo… Pag di ka naman manutok ng baril.

* * *

We are lovers, not fighters.

* * *

Kapatid ko pa rin siya. We are one and the same.

* * *

I don’t eat meat. I’m not a carnival.

* * *

Eto na po ang pinakamaligayang pasko at manigong taon sa inyong lahat. (During her acceptance speech at a Metro Filmfest awards night where her bioflick, directed by her late father Temyong Marquez, won an award.)

* * *

Sumasakit ang migraine ko.

* * *

Ang tatay ko ang only living legend na buhay!

* * *

Period na talaga; wala nang exclamation point. (When asked on S-Files if her present husband, Adam Lawyer, is her Mr. Right.).

* * *

(This one’s our favorite. When Joy read this, we literally laughed our lungs out for more than 1 minute with Johann looking amazed, probably wondering what’s happening to his parents)

At a talk show after her break-up with Derek Dee, Melanie was asked if she had some words for Derek’s mother (whom she partly blamed for the separation). “Oo nga,” said Melanie, “pero i-English-in ko para maintindihan niya.” She looked into the camera and, with the peremptoriness of royalty, said, “And to you, Mrs. Dee, I have two words for you. Ang labo mo!”

Ooops, don’t judge Melanie. As you know, she’s not a book. :)

for other's sakes, because they're not a covers, melanie's eraptions:

Here’re some actual quotes from Melanie Marquez, the former Miss International, also a self confessed Madame Malaprop. (Note: Malapropism, meaning “a ludicrous misuse of a word”). It’ll make your day.

* * *
My brother is not a girl; he’s a gentleman.

* * *

That’s why I’m a success, it’s because I don’t middle in other people’s lives.

* * *

Don’t judge my brother; he’s not a book.

* * *

I won’t stoop down to my level.

* * *

Hello? Bulag ka ba? Bingi ka ba? Are you dep?

* * *

‘Yung STD, baka sa maruming toilet lang niya nakuha yan.

* * *

Eh, ikaw ba naman, durugin ang ari mo… Pag di ka naman manutok ng baril.

* * *

We are lovers, not fighters.

* * *

Kapatid ko pa rin siya. We are one and the same.

* * *

I don’t eat meat. I’m not a carnival.

* * *

Eto na po ang pinakamaligayang pasko at manigong taon sa inyong lahat. (During her acceptance speech at a Metro Filmfest awards night where her bioflick, directed by her late father Temyong Marquez, won an award.)

* * *

Sumasakit ang migraine ko.

* * *

Ang tatay ko ang only living legend na buhay!

* * *

Period na talaga; wala nang exclamation point. (When asked on S-Files if her present husband, Adam Lawyer, is her Mr. Right.).

* * *

(This one’s our favorite. When Joy read this, we literally laughed our lungs out for more than 1 minute with Johann looking amazed, probably wondering what’s happening to his parents)

At a talk show after her break-up with Derek Dee, Melanie was asked if she had some words for Derek’s mother (whom she partly blamed for the separation). “Oo nga,” said Melanie, “pero i-English-in ko para maintindihan niya.” She looked into the camera and, with the peremptoriness of royalty, said, “And to you, Mrs. Dee, I have two words for you. Ang labo mo!”

Ooops, don’t judge Melanie. As you know, she’s not a book. :)

^^ inaatake ako ng heart attack!

on my part, im used to halu-halo. normally, i cannot talk straight english as well as straight tagalog. minsan lang. nasanay kasi ako ng bisaya-tagalog-english labu-labo. once required, napipilitan din.

^^ inaatake ako ng heart attack!

on my part, im used to halu-halo. normally, i cannot talk straight english as well as straight tagalog. minsan lang. nasanay kasi ako ng bisaya-tagalog-english labu-labo. once required, napipilitan din.

ay sleepy , mga parente ko dinhi call that bisoglish :grouphug:

ay sleepy , mga parente ko dinhi call that bisoglish :grouphug:

i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

maybe its because when your drunk, you dont think...so good english just naturally comes out:D

i noticed that pnoi can actually speak good english when theyre drunk

maybe its because when your drunk, you dont think...so good english just naturally comes out:D

^I'm agree.

as well as mine.

@ bustero: basig parente siguro ta.

^I'm agree.

as well as mine.

@ bustero: basig parente siguro ta.

:lol: when Filipinos say "for a while..." instead of "hold on" or "wait for a moment". Ironically, i sometimes find myself saying it too.

:lol: when Filipinos say "for a while..." instead of "hold on" or "wait for a moment". Ironically, i sometimes find myself saying it too.

:lol: when Filipinos say "for a while..." instead of "hold on" or "wait for a moment". Ironically, i sometimes find myself saying it too.

ako, "one moment please" and "kadjot lang"

:lol: when Filipinos say "for a while..." instead of "hold on" or "wait for a moment". Ironically, i sometimes find myself saying it too.

ako, "one moment please" and "kadjot lang"

"Hold the while please. Don't hang-up yourself."

"Hold the while please. Don't hang-up yourself."

:lol::lol:

:lol::lol:

sleepy, lili, ryan...the both of you three...“You’re nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat!”...

sleepy, lili, ryan...the both of you three...“You’re nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat!”...

well, ifs i, then ifs not? ifs you, then who's will? can you digs it?

seriously here. people here say "may i speak with..." "pinoys say may i talk to...".

well, ifs i, then ifs not? ifs you, then who's will? can you digs it?

seriously here. people here say "may i speak with..." "pinoys say may i talk to...".

sleepy, lili, ryan...the both of you three...“You’re nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat!”...

bustero, I will be telling you this. You are getting cornics. Is I'm right Paul?

sleepy, lili, ryan...the both of you three...“You’re nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat!”...

bustero, I will be telling you this. You are getting cornics. Is I'm right Paul?

you bet you right, i can always toktogaok!

you bet you right, i can always toktogaok!

:hilarious: (I'm really in stitches.) Ok, it's up for you na. I will going to eat mami noodles na.

:hilarious: (I'm really in stitches.) Ok, it's up for you na. I will going to eat mami noodles na.

besure not to burp burp in front of them okish?

besure not to burp burp in front of them okish?

When I did my practicum in Manila, all my co-workers teased me for my broken Tagalog (or at least American accented Tagalog) by ispokening to me like that. Joking joking only because even if I'm worker we're friends still.

When I did my practicum in Manila, all my co-workers teased me for my broken Tagalog (or at least American accented Tagalog) by ispokening to me like that. Joking joking only because even if I'm worker we're friends still.

funny, but my pag-umangkins don't want to talk to my daughter dahil masyadong ispokening daw.

funny, but my pag-umangkins don't want to talk to my daughter dahil masyadong ispokening daw.

"I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!"

The topic for this thread is English proficiency. The criteria for the listing of Asia's top universities are: number of professors with Ph.D., number of research published and size of library. Our top universities are deficient on all of those criteria. Aside from publication which involves writing in English, the placement of our universities didn't say anything about English proficiency. We could be at the top hierarchy if it's just going to be English.
this is absolutely true.
It's simple most pinoys don't really practice speaking English outside of school.If you don't use it you'll lose it. That explains wy most pinoys write in English better than they converse.

"I was so disappointed to read recent stats on East Asia's top universities and find our UP, DLSU and ADMU crawling with the bottom-feeders!"

The topic for this thread is English proficiency. The criteria for the listing of Asia's top universities are: number of professors with Ph.D., number of research published and size of library. Our top universities are deficient on all of those criteria. Aside from publication which involves writing in English, the placement of our universities didn't say anything about English proficiency. We could be at the top hierarchy if it's just going to be English.
this is absolutely true.
It's simple most pinoys don't really practice speaking English outside of school.If you don't use it you'll lose it. That explains wy most pinoys write in English better than they converse.

Filipinos are funny people.

Filipinos are funny people.

^ i often hear Filipinos are friendly people

^ i often hear Filipinos are friendly people

"Hold the while please. Don't hang-up yourself."

Hold your breath, just hang-up yourself :bash:

"Hold the while please. Don't hang-up yourself."

Hold your breath, just hang-up yourself :bash:

this is absolutely true.
It's simple most pinoys don't really practice speaking English outside of school.If you don't use it you'll lose it. That explains wy most pinoys write in English better than they converse.

true, true marites. my wife works in an orthotics company north of toronto. guess what, most of the work force are pinays with some ethiopians, whites and some jews as owners to boot. she gets to speak english when she speaks with the supers and owners, a few times a day. most of the time, it's either tagalog or bisaya with her pinay co-workers. she's afraid to try some other company or work environment because of what she feels as her english deficiency.

i've been telling one thing, it's a matter of practice. and some reading, that way, you will learn to use it and observe grammars.

this is absolutely true.
It's simple most pinoys don't really practice speaking English outside of school.If you don't use it you'll lose it. That explains wy most pinoys write in English better than they converse.

true, true marites. my wife works in an orthotics company north of toronto. guess what, most of the work force are pinays with some ethiopians, whites and some jews as owners to boot. she gets to speak english when she speaks with the supers and owners, a few times a day. most of the time, it's either tagalog or bisaya with her pinay co-workers. she's afraid to try some other company or work environment because of what she feels as her english deficiency.

i've been telling one thing, it's a matter of practice. and some reading, that way, you will learn to use it and observe grammars.

there's one i noticed, english proficiency is a matter which industry you work. they say, pag engineer ka, engineering din ang english mo (or put it more bluntly, wag mo ng problemahin ang grammar). true?

there's one i noticed, english proficiency is a matter which industry you work. they say, pag engineer ka, engineering din ang english mo (or put it more bluntly, wag mo ng problemahin ang grammar). true?

^^like what happened to one of my e.engr friend who took an exam... ("whew! ang hirap! he said. i asked him why...lot of problem solving? he just shrugged his shoulders.. ala, puro essay lang kasi!)

somehow, media has great impact on this matter. like when i was i child, cartoons shown on tv were in English. but now, almost all r translated to Tagalog.

BEFORE:
We will shout.."Up, up andaway!"

NOW:
Kids will shout.. "Lipad, Kristala lipad!"

^^like what happened to one of my e.engr friend who took an exam... ("whew! ang hirap! he said. i asked him why...lot of problem solving? he just shrugged his shoulders.. ala, puro essay lang kasi!)

somehow, media has great impact on this matter. like when i was i child, cartoons shown on tv were in English. but now, almost all r translated to Tagalog.

BEFORE:
We will shout.."Up, up andaway!"

NOW:
Kids will shout.. "Lipad, Kristala lipad!"

^ he he that's funny. I agree with that Engineering emphasize more on Math and Science. Course it helps if your teacher is proficient in ENglish too. Nowadays it's been said time and time again the quality of education is going down .

^ he he that's funny. I agree with that Engineering emphasize more on Math and Science. Course it helps if your teacher is proficient in ENglish too. Nowadays it's been said time and time again the quality of education is going down .

well since I'm studying in an Engineering school, I gotta say that proper english here is not really important. most of my professors and lecturers are either from PRC or Indonesia and sometimes you will find it difficult to understand what they are teaching. so that's why I skip their lectures most of the time and resort to self-studying.

It is also apparent that they would recognize you as a Filipino through our accent. For instance my lab lecturer asked me if I'm a Filipino. I said yes and asked him why. He said, "Well, because of the accent." hehe.. wala lang... :)

well since I'm studying in an Engineering school, I gotta say that proper english here is not really important. most of my professors and lecturers are either from PRC or Indonesia and sometimes you will find it difficult to understand what they are teaching. so that's why I skip their lectures most of the time and resort to self-studying.

It is also apparent that they would recognize you as a Filipino through our accent. For instance my lab lecturer asked me if I'm a Filipino. I said yes and asked him why. He said, "Well, because of the accent." hehe.. wala lang... :)

It is also apparent that they would recognize you as a Filipino through our accent. For instance my lab lecturer asked me if I'm a Filipino. I said yes and asked him why. He said, "Well, because of the accent." hehe.. wala lang... :)

really? we have our own accent?
hmmm?

It is also apparent that they would recognize you as a Filipino through our accent. For instance my lab lecturer asked me if I'm a Filipino. I said yes and asked him why. He said, "Well, because of the accent." hehe.. wala lang... :)

really? we have our own accent?
hmmm?

I believe that Pinoys do have their own accent when speaking English.

I believe that Pinoys do have their own accent when speaking English.

I believe that Pinoys do have their own accent when speaking English.
cool, nice that we have our own...:okay:

I believe that Pinoys do have their own accent when speaking English.
cool, nice that we have our own...:okay:

^yap, ANG TITIGAS NGA EH PERO ATLEAST UNDERSTANDABLE KAHIT BALO-BALOKTOT LIKE MY DAD

^yap, ANG TITIGAS NGA EH PERO ATLEAST UNDERSTANDABLE KAHIT BALO-BALOKTOT LIKE MY DAD

Filipino accents usually uses B's for V's, P's for F's, D's for TH's, etc....

Filipino accents usually uses B's for V's, P's for F's, D's for TH's, etc....

^ That's not an accent but mispronunciation. Accent is more tonal.

^ That's not an accent but mispronunciation. Accent is more tonal.

yup, pinoy accent is distinct from american or british. you would know it, kahit saan ka mapadpad, alam mong pinoy ang kausap mo.

yup, pinoy accent is distinct from american or british. you would know it, kahit saan ka mapadpad, alam mong pinoy ang kausap mo.

P's for F's

i thought the other way around

we often say PILIPINS, and not FILIPINS, <--w/c shud b, ph = f
but is that politically correct because were pilipinos, not filipinos,
and we have the right to say it, because we are pilipino.

P's for F's

i thought the other way around

we often say PILIPINS, and not FILIPINS, <--w/c shud b, ph = f
but is that politically correct because were pilipinos, not filipinos,
and we have the right to say it, because we are pilipino.

Filipinos have neutral accent, which was preferred by call center locators in the Philippines.

Filipinos have neutral accent, which was preferred by call center locators in the Philippines.

^^ Pinoys are just very excellent mimics, the best in the world! :colgate:

^^ Pinoys are just very excellent mimics, the best in the world! :colgate:

yup, pinoy accent is distinct from american or british. you would know it, kahit saan ka mapadpad, alam mong pinoy ang kausap mo.
there's a lot of AMERICAN ACCENT that are distinguishable too such as the bostonians, people from new orleans, country hicks, and the cowabonga californian dudes.

black on the other hand sounds alike, dont wanna be ignorant here, but they all try to be as ghetto as possible

yup, pinoy accent is distinct from american or british. you would know it, kahit saan ka mapadpad, alam mong pinoy ang kausap mo.
there's a lot of AMERICAN ACCENT that are distinguishable too such as the bostonians, people from new orleans, country hicks, and the cowabonga californian dudes.

black on the other hand sounds alike, dont wanna be ignorant here, but they all try to be as ghetto as possible

^ That's not an accent but mispronunciation. Accent is more tonal.

Isn't pronunciations of certain words make up an accent?

^ That's not an accent but mispronunciation. Accent is more tonal.

Isn't pronunciations of certain words make up an accent?

Well, I'm not an expert on this so I won't opine. I just know that Pinoys who do not make those mispronunciations can still have the distinct Filipino accent. It's in the intonation.

ar yu tingking wat aym tinking? ip yu si sow, den it wil bi dan. gudnes naman yu ar. ay tuld yu na nat tu tabok, yu labang pa rin, now luk at. bay gali. betya bay gali waw. may lab, ayl neber payn da wards may lab. hihihihi!

Well, I'm not an expert on this so I won't opine. I just know that Pinoys who do not make those mispronunciations can still have the distinct Filipino accent. It's in the intonation.

ar yu tingking wat aym tinking? ip yu si sow, den it wil bi dan. gudnes naman yu ar. ay tuld yu na nat tu tabok, yu labang pa rin, now luk at. bay gali. betya bay gali waw. may lab, ayl neber payn da wards may lab. hihihihi!

Pinoys are just very excellent mimics, the best in the world!

i hope youre not reffering about us looking like a mimic in that movie with Mira Sorvino.

Pinoys are just very excellent mimics, the best in the world!

i hope youre not reffering about us looking like a mimic in that movie with Mira Sorvino.

There is definitely a Filipino accent. It's one that I turn on and off whenever I go back to the Philippines and leave it. Just speaking with my newly emigrated cousins here, I know we have different accents.

There is definitely a Filipino accent. It's one that I turn on and off whenever I go back to the Philippines and leave it. Just speaking with my newly emigrated cousins here, I know we have different accents.

Filipino accents usually uses B's for V's, P's for F's, D's for TH's, etc....

I thought that was bisaya.

Filipino accents usually uses B's for V's, P's for F's, D's for TH's, etc....

I thought that was bisaya.

ar yu tingking wat aym tinking? ip yu si sow, den it wil bi dan. gudnes naman yu ar. ay tuld yu na nat tu tabok, yu labang pa rin, now luk at. bay gali. betya bay gali waw. may lab, ayl neber payn da wards may lab. hihihihi!
^^
ANO, IM FREAKING LOST FOR REAL

HERE IN REQUEST OF LILYA:

the first and the last letters of the word should be correct. Otherwise, it won't work.

Originally Posted by ILOVEMTL
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the only iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. And who siad seplilng is imporantt! ?

Amzanig, huh?

ar yu tingking wat aym tinking? ip yu si sow, den it wil bi dan. gudnes naman yu ar. ay tuld yu na nat tu tabok, yu labang pa rin, now luk at. bay gali. betya bay gali waw. may lab, ayl neber payn da wards may lab. hihihihi!
^^
ANO, IM FREAKING LOST FOR REAL

HERE IN REQUEST OF LILYA:

the first and the last letters of the word should be correct. Otherwise, it won't work.

Originally Posted by ILOVEMTL
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the only iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. And who siad seplilng is imporantt! ?

Amzanig, huh?

^ You have to note in the above experiment that the first and the last letters of the word should be correct. Otherwise, it won't work.

^ You have to note in the above experiment that the first and the last letters of the word should be correct. Otherwise, it won't work.

I thought that was bisaya.

I thought Visayans always interchange the long and short E/I sounds and the long and short O/U sounds.

I thought that was bisaya.

I thought Visayans always interchange the long and short E/I sounds and the long and short O/U sounds.

i hope youre not reffering about us looking like a mimic in that movie with Mira Sorvino.

No not the movie. But that was a very good scary movie, one scene made me jump up from the floor on to the couch screaming! But that's off topic....

i hope youre not reffering about us looking like a mimic in that movie with Mira Sorvino.

No not the movie. But that was a very good scary movie, one scene made me jump up from the floor on to the couch screaming! But that's off topic....

^BIG GUY KIMBER, :lol:

^BIG GUY KIMBER, :lol:

Which reminds me-- one time, I went with my aunt to the supermarket where she was going to buy a bottle of shampoo. But they ran out of her particular brand in the shelves so she went to the manager to ask if they had any in the back.

She asked the man behind the counter, "Excuse me, do you have Pih-nis?"

I had to stifle a snicker when the man got flustered and she finally said Finesse.

Which reminds me-- one time, I went with my aunt to the supermarket where she was going to buy a bottle of shampoo. But they ran out of her particular brand in the shelves so she went to the manager to ask if they had any in the back.

She asked the man behind the counter, "Excuse me, do you have Pih-nis?"

I had to stifle a snicker when the man got flustered and she finally said Finesse.

^BIG GUY KIMBER, :lol:

Oh you should have seen me....it was to die (laughing) for, that's what my friends tell me and I have yet to live that down! :lol:

^BIG GUY KIMBER, :lol:

Oh you should have seen me....it was to die (laughing) for, that's what my friends tell me and I have yet to live that down! :lol:

^^
ANO, IM FREAKING LOST FOR REAL

If you're lost @tigs, then what more us mere mortals?

^^
ANO, IM FREAKING LOST FOR REAL

If you're lost @tigs, then what more us mere mortals?

Which reminds me-- one time, I went with my aunt to the supermarket where she was going to buy a bottle of shampoo. But they ran out of her particular brand in the shelves so she went to the manager to ask if they had any in the back.

She asked the man behind the counter, "Excuse me, do you have Pih-nis?"

I had to stifle a snicker when the man got flustered and she finally said Finesse.

:lol: For real? I had an officemate in the Philippines before who when angry at her BF will say "pakyu!" (oops, I didn't mean to jar your sensibilities, folks. It's still jarring as it is even if mispronounced.)

Which reminds me-- one time, I went with my aunt to the supermarket where she was going to buy a bottle of shampoo. But they ran out of her particular brand in the shelves so she went to the manager to ask if they had any in the back.

She asked the man behind the counter, "Excuse me, do you have Pih-nis?"

I had to stifle a snicker when the man got flustered and she finally said Finesse.

:lol: For real? I had an officemate in the Philippines before who when angry at her BF will say "pakyu!" (oops, I didn't mean to jar your sensibilities, folks. It's still jarring as it is even if mispronounced.)

If you're lost @tigs, then what more us mere mortals?

N I TOT I WAS DA BEST OF DAT

If you're lost @tigs, then what more us mere mortals?

N I TOT I WAS DA BEST OF DAT

^ R U giving up ur throne?

^ R U giving up ur throne?

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

so not to be out of topic? hihihihi.

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

so not to be out of topic? hihihihi.

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

Wow, impressive! Are you drunk @Tigs? :lol:

^Apparently, I sometimes wonder what I wrote anyway or forgot what I was trying to convey. So, it’s best to write it in a correct and right manner. :lol:

Wow, impressive! Are you drunk @Tigs? :lol:

^^ I was about to type that! :lol:

^^ I was about to type that! :lol:

:booze:, not yet but im watching the white sox, and alone. sob sob sob. good thing i can watch n be at the forum at the same time.

:booze:, not yet but im watching the white sox, and alone. sob sob sob. good thing i can watch n be at the forum at the same time.

^^ Who's winning?

^^ Who's winning?

I'm watching Sabado Gigante on Univison. What a strange show. I thought Eat Bulaga was weird but this show is making me feel drunk.

I'm watching Sabado Gigante on Univison. What a strange show. I thought Eat Bulaga was weird but this show is making me feel drunk.

^^ Who's winning?

ofcurs SOX won game one.

^^ Who's winning?

ofcurs SOX won game one.

Folks, I have to sign off now. I'm tired from all the walking today. Good nite and good day all. :)

Folks, I have to sign off now. I'm tired from all the walking today. Good nite and good day all. :)

^good night lili, dream a little dream of me.

^good night lili, dream a little dream of me.

sweet dreams!

sweet dreams!

Filipinos with accents here are considered FOBs lol.

Filipinos with accents here are considered FOBs lol.

Filipinos with accents here are considered FOBs lol.
thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.

Filipinos with accents here are considered FOBs lol.
thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.

thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.

No, like when I go to a Filipino party, the kids will be like "look at those people over there, they have really thick accents, they must be FOBs"

thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.

No, like when I go to a Filipino party, the kids will be like "look at those people over there, they have really thick accents, they must be FOBs"

i hate pinoys who call other pinoys fob. it'sso ignorant

i hate pinoys who call other pinoys fob. it'sso ignorant

No, like when I go to a Filipino party, the kids will be like "look at those people over there, they have really thick accents, they must be FOBs"

that really a derogatory word about people that came here, it means my dad can still considered one because of his thick accent though he's been here for over 22 years. the point is you have to look at what the person does before throwing a brick to him/her. tell ur friends not to call them (pnoi)fobbish, that word generates only for the mexicans.

No, like when I go to a Filipino party, the kids will be like "look at those people over there, they have really thick accents, they must be FOBs"

that really a derogatory word about people that came here, it means my dad can still considered one because of his thick accent though he's been here for over 22 years. the point is you have to look at what the person does before throwing a brick to him/her. tell ur friends not to call them (pnoi)fobbish, that word generates only for the mexicans.

^^ C'mon now, I really detest that discriminatory attitude whether towards fellow Filipinos or others. There's just no place for it if you would want to be considered civilized. Everyone in America came from immigrant groups.

If someone calls me FOB, then I'd say so what? Look where I am now, and you, have you made the most of having the privilege of being American-born? :sniff:

^^ C'mon now, I really detest that discriminatory attitude whether towards fellow Filipinos or others. There's just no place for it if you would want to be considered civilized. Everyone in America came from immigrant groups.

If someone calls me FOB, then I'd say so what? Look where I am now, and you, have you made the most of having the privilege of being American-born? :sniff:

I'm a proud FOB! "Fresh Off the Boeing" that is, and not the "boat!" :lol: Although, I think one loses one's fobbishness once they've fully assimilated into mainstream society and drop all hints of an accent.

I'm a proud FOB! "Fresh Off the Boeing" that is, and not the "boat!" :lol: Although, I think one loses one's fobbishness once they've fully assimilated into mainstream society and drop all hints of an accent.

if not of the fobs, then the next generation wouldn't have it so good.

if not of the fobs, then the next generation wouldn't have it so good.

I'm a proud FOB! "Fresh Off the Boeing" that is, and not the "boat!" :lol: Although, I think one loses one's fobbishness once they've fully assimilated into mainstream society and drop all hints of an accent.

That is only if they arrive in the US while still young, for older Pinoys with developed accents, they will not be able to readjust as easily.

I'm a proud FOB! "Fresh Off the Boeing" that is, and not the "boat!" :lol: Although, I think one loses one's fobbishness once they've fully assimilated into mainstream society and drop all hints of an accent.

That is only if they arrive in the US while still young, for older Pinoys with developed accents, they will not be able to readjust as easily.

Pinoys calling other Pinoys FOB, i think, have an inferiority complex. It's amazing how one group of people try to belittle another within their group just in order to feel "normal" or "mainstream." Its very shallow. Some Pinoys who are made to feel less by the majority somehow find that calling Pinoys with accents a "FOB" because it lifts them closer to the majority that belittles them. It's a defense mechanism that a minority group (and pinoys are a minority in the US) uses to make someone within their group less important so they can feel superior.

My two cents

Pinoys calling other Pinoys FOB, i think, have an inferiority complex. It's amazing how one group of people try to belittle another within their group just in order to feel "normal" or "mainstream." Its very shallow. Some Pinoys who are made to feel less by the majority somehow find that calling Pinoys with accents a "FOB" because it lifts them closer to the majority that belittles them. It's a defense mechanism that a minority group (and pinoys are a minority in the US) uses to make someone within their group less important so they can feel superior.

My two cents

I would also like to add that i think that accents are hot. Even pinoy ones.

I would also like to add that i think that accents are hot. Even pinoy ones.

But what if we use FOB as a term of endearment?

But what if we use FOB as a term of endearment?

^^ hehehehe, i thought something out but its really detrimental and offensive.

^^ hehehehe, i thought something out but its really detrimental and offensive.

Pinoys calling other Pinoys FOB, i think, have an inferiority complex. It's amazing how one group of people try to belittle another within their group just in order to feel "normal" or "mainstream." Its very shallow. Some Pinoys who are made to feel less by the majority somehow find that calling Pinoys with accents a "FOB" because it lifts them closer to the majority that belittles them. It's a defense mechanism that a minority group (and pinoys are a minority in the US) uses to make someone within their group less important so they can feel superior.

My two cents

I have read of this psychological complex and it's not just confined to the Philippine ethnic group.

Pinoys calling other Pinoys FOB, i think, have an inferiority complex. It's amazing how one group of people try to belittle another within their group just in order to feel "normal" or "mainstream." Its very shallow. Some Pinoys who are made to feel less by the majority somehow find that calling Pinoys with accents a "FOB" because it lifts them closer to the majority that belittles them. It's a defense mechanism that a minority group (and pinoys are a minority in the US) uses to make someone within their group less important so they can feel superior.

My two cents

I have read of this psychological complex and it's not just confined to the Philippine ethnic group.

But what if we use FOB as a term of endearment?
^^ hehehehe, i thought something out but its really detrimental and offensive.

Can you give me an example or context of this?

But what if we use FOB as a term of endearment?
^^ hehehehe, i thought something out but its really detrimental and offensive.

Can you give me an example or context of this?

I don't know... I love my cousins and I call them FOBs playfully to their faces.

I don't know... I love my cousins and I call them FOBs playfully to their faces.

Can you give me an example or context of this?
maybe like how the black people call themselves nigguh
we on the other side can call ourselves, fobs :jk:

Can you give me an example or context of this?
maybe like how the black people call themselves nigguh
we on the other side can call ourselves, fobs :jk:

Oh, like "I luv my FOB." Hmmm.. it can fly. But in Flip language it will be "I lab my FOB." Puede na rin slogan.

Oh, like "I luv my FOB." Hmmm.. it can fly. But in Flip language it will be "I lab my FOB." Puede na rin slogan.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's the accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

I agree, it's so nakakainis talaga those mga tao who speak taglish. Let's make tusok-tusok the fishball, and you make me kwento what's happening in your buhay-buhay. :lol:

Seriously though, last time I went home, I was really disappointed in our tv programs, particularly the news. They're also using taglish now. It used to be that when it was a tagalog/filipino news program, the newscasters did a really good job speaking the language. But now... :(
I think our english news programs are still ok though.

Another thing I don't like is all the tagalog dubbing they do on imported english-language programs, e.g. 24. For goodness's sake, if it's in English, don't dub it. If it's in another foreign tongue, by all means, go ahead.

Being able to speak English is very important, particularly in the international scene, and our neighbors are realizing this. We, as a nation, need to keep our edge.

I agree that English is widely used in the Philippines, but to say that it's an English speaking nation is more fiction than fact, trying to pump up it's image on the international stage in my opinion. "Carabao" English is rampant and the proliferation of Taglish is everywhere, in these times when our Asian neighbors are improving their English proficiency since it's the accepted global language, the Philippines is reverting back decades just for the sake of nationalism. Being bilingual is good, but stick to one language while conversing, and not see-saw between the two (one of my pet peeves!).

I agree, it's so nakakainis talaga those mga tao who speak taglish. Let's make tusok-tusok the fishball, and you make me kwento what's happening in your buhay-buhay. :lol:

Seriously though, last time I went home, I was really disappointed in our tv programs, particularly the news. They're also using taglish now. It used to be that when it was a tagalog/filipino news program, the newscasters did a really good job speaking the language. But now... :(
I think our english news programs are still ok though.

Another thing I don't like is all the tagalog dubbing they do on imported english-language programs, e.g. 24. For goodness's sake, if it's in English, don't dub it. If it's in another foreign tongue, by all means, go ahead.

Being able to speak English is very important, particularly in the international scene, and our neighbors are realizing this. We, as a nation, need to keep our edge.

@ boybaha, that's so mean, you're so mean calling them that. I mean what if it hurts them. And i thought you were the sensitive type. tsk tsk.

@ boybaha, that's so mean, you're so mean calling them that. I mean what if it hurts them. And i thought you were the sensitive type. tsk tsk.

^^ Turn-off ka na ba kay boybaha?

^^ Turn-off ka na ba kay boybaha?

thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.


Hey, what's wrong with us Mexicans?

thats not nice, those are mexican. u mightve mistaken it to be a filipino because we're all created guapas and guapos.


Hey, what's wrong with us Mexicans?

FOB really isn't a degoratory word here.

FOB really isn't a degoratory word here.

Well I think there's a difference between... "Look at them (in an icy pa-sosyal tone). What a bunch of fobs."

and

"Tina look at you! You're such a fob!" (in a teasing tone)

Well I think there's a difference between... "Look at them (in an icy pa-sosyal tone). What a bunch of fobs."

and

"Tina look at you! You're such a fob!" (in a teasing tone)

FOB really isn't a degoratory word here.

When you say "here", where do you mean? There in Minnesota?

FOB really isn't a degoratory word here.

When you say "here", where do you mean? There in Minnesota?

Well I think there's a difference between... "Look at them (in an icy pa-sosyal tone). What a bunch of fobs."

and

"Tina look at you! You're such a fob!" (in a teasing tone)

I agree. It's in the context and tone of how you say/use the word FOB. Some people even go as far as claiming it with pride like; "Look at me! I'm FOBulous!"

Well I think there's a difference between... "Look at them (in an icy pa-sosyal tone). What a bunch of fobs."

and

"Tina look at you! You're such a fob!" (in a teasing tone)

I agree. It's in the context and tone of how you say/use the word FOB. Some people even go as far as claiming it with pride like; "Look at me! I'm FOBulous!"