There was a thread somewhere around about this, but dunno where its gone.

These are images of the expanded Stratford Station, parts of the new Stratford City development and the new DLR platforms at Stratford (the multi-triangular structure).


http://www.simonjonesandassociates.co.uk/transpor/large/transp07.jpg


http://www.simonjonesandassociates.co.uk/transpor/large/transp06.jpg

any more news on this project? looks interesting who are the architects?

any more news on this project?

Well it's all got to be done for the Olympics hasn't it.

The DLR platforms have begun construction, they're currently clearing the site.

I do like how there are new connections to the Central line from the Jubilee Line - very much needed.

Wow, that looks really nice.

The Times
April 21, 2006

Ghost train station that cost £210m
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent

A VAST new international railway station was completed yesterday but will remain empty indefinitely because Eurostar is reluctant to stop there.

Stratford International was billed as East London’s gateway to Paris and Brussels and was supposed to be the centrepiece of Europe’s biggest urban regeneration scheme. But the ceremony to mark completion of the £210 million station was overshadowed by an admission that international trains might never use it.

The station will be very busy for a few weeks in the summer of 2012 as thousands of spectators head to and from the adjacent Olympic park. But it threatens to be Britain’s biggest transport white elephant, used at other times only by a few services carrying commuters from Kent.

Local politicians said yesterday that the absence of an international service would undermine the £4 billion Stratford City scheme, which aims to attract 30,000 jobs and 12,000 residents to derelict land around the station.

London and Continental Railways (LCR), which built the station and is completing the 186mph Channel Tunnel Rail Link, said that Stratford International had been conceived as the London stop for Eurostar services from northern England. Trains were supposed to start in Manchester or Leeds and skirt round the edge of Central London on their way to the Channel Tunnel. But, with the rapid growth of budget airlines linking northern cities with the Continent, all Eurostar trains will terminate at St Pancras from the autumn of next year.

Rob Holden, chief executive of LCR and deputy chairman of Eurostar, said: “There is probably no chance of Eurostar services to the North taking place. It is possible the station won’t be used until the Kent domestic services start at the end of 2009. We will not satisfy everybody. Politicians and the media will criticise us.”

He said that Eurostar had yet to make a final decision on where its trains would stop but an announcement would be made in early summer.

Calling at Stratford would add eight minutes to the journey between London and Paris or Brussels, eroding some of the time advantage over airlines. Mr Holden said: “Stopping a high-speed train seven minutes out of St Pancras is less than ideal.”

Mr Holden said that it would be awkward to handle international passengers during the construction of Stratford City and the Olympic park. “Stratford is going to be a big building site for a number of years.”

There is also uncertainty about the links between Stratford International and Stratford’s rail and Tube station, which are a third of a mile apart. LCR is considering a £25 million moving walkway. “We continue to examine the merits of a ‘travelator’ but we do have to recognise that it’s a very expensive bit of kit and difficult to maintain,” Mr Holden said.

Extending the Docklands Light Railway to Stratford International is also an option.

John Biggs, the London Assembly member for Stratford, said: “It would be a massive mistake not to operate international trains from Stratford, which is the major crossroads of East London with connections to Canary Wharf and Stansted airport. It would jeopardise the momentum behind Stratford’s regeneration and undermine efforts to attract world-class companies.”

Ken Livingstone, the Mayor of London, said: “I believe it is crucial for the regeneration of East London that an appropriate number of Eurostar trains stop at Stratford from 2009. From this time there will be a greater demand for Eurostar services following the major regeneration of the surrounding area.”

I think this is a political game with the Reuben brothers. It's a threat to devalue their investment massively. Ken made a comment, but not a strong one. Who's going to pay for the travelator and who will remove their blocking of olympic projects?

I also reckon LCR would be foolish not to even try a Birmingham - Brussels / Paris service as 3 1/2 or 4 hours city centre to city centre would be competitive. A stop between London and Birmingham would also make sense for the NW suburb towns IMO.

The Times
April 21, 2006

Ghost train station that cost £210m
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent

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Extending the Docklands Light Railway to Stratford International is also an option.

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Um - that's more than just an option, that's actually being built isn't it?

I watched the BBC London story on this yesterday. The station looked fine if unspectacular. I also thought it looked a bit small for a major intenational rail terminal but since it seems it won't ever actually handle passengers this probably won't be a problem.

It's a glass box in a ditch. In 30 years time we will talk about it the way we regard Euston today.

I agree on the Birmingham service, im sure that could compete with a sutable frequency. The big mistake was having the plaforms so far from the tube station. Had they built a new station at the south east corner of the site, where the lines pass over eachother, it could have been a real hub. Would have been more expencive though...

Possibly a Florence like station could have been possibly where Fosters new HSR station is being built - its lie Canary Wharf, underground but with light wells.

For £210m, it better be used for something! Couldn't they have an alternative route, where every other service stops at Stratford?

The station looks very bland and boxy, and someone on the news said that there were likely to be a few bottlenecks at points when they were inspecting the finished station. I seriously doubt we're going to see high speed rail to the north anytime soon?

Um - that's more than just an option, that's actually being built isn't it?

Yes, the Silverlink service Stratford to North Woolwich will be withdrawn in November to allow work to commence.

I never could see the point of having St Pancras and Stratford as international stations when they are so close. The guy from eurostar makes the point i have always thought....."Stopping a high-speed train seven minutes out of St Pancras is less than ideal"

oh well......lets hope they reconsider some Eurostar Links to the North of England to make it all worth while

With the development of Canary Wharf, Stratford City and Stratford becoming one of the largest transfer stations - Eurostar stops will be more frequent as redevelopment carries on.

For £210m, it better be used for something! Couldn't they have an alternative route, where every other service stops at Stratford?
Exactly. A station exists because it is somewhere useful for passengers. This station serves a fair chunk of North and East London, plus East Anglia. For a train operator it would be ideal if there were just two stops, one at each end.

With the development of Canary Wharf, Stratford City and Stratford becoming one of the largest transfer stations - Eurostar stops will be more frequent as redevelopment carries on.

Yes isnt this just a rare case of UK forward planning? Build the infrastructure first and let is develop rather than the other way around. There maybe no instant demand for international services here at the moment but what about in 5 or 10 years time?

An important transportation station, especially an international one, should scream "this city is amazing". St. Pancras succeeds, Waterloo succeeds, Straford does not. It's poorly designed and bottlenecks are expected, but perhaps even more seriously, it's bland. This will be one of the first buildings the people visiting "New London" for the 2012 games will see, and may become an international station. Do we really want "New London" to be about dull, glass boxes? Disappointing.

Sydney's, Barcelona's and Athen's Olympic stations weren't that incredibly exciting.

What annoys me more is the masterplan of Stratford City has the perfect opportunity to have a fabulous open square right by the station, with the majestic direct pedestrian link to the Olympic stadium running off of it, but they've chucked what looks like a massive department store in that space, meaning all sense of scale and orientation is lost.

Wasted opportunity.

What department store's going there?

No idea, but the shape and location of the building looks to me like it's a major retail space.

I'll post up a map today with my idea scribbled all over it.

Okay, here goes. First of all here's the latest Olympic masterplan.

http://static.flickr.com/50/129758033_b878d77fda_o.jpg

And here's an amended rendering of the Olympic walkway connecting the Stadium to Stratford City and the International station.

http://static.flickr.com/56/134759890_a9de73322f.jpg?v=0

Now the orange dots are the location of the International station and Stratford Tube station, with the red connection lines showing how people will move from each of these into the main Olympic Park and Stadium.

The blue dots arebuildings planned for this route. The latest Olympic masterplan includes the Media Centre each side of this walkways route, with the bottom three building sites now replaced with the walkway.

What I'd like to see is this final building, the one closest to the International stadium, removed and allow this grand open walkway to extend into the centre of Stratford City, and for a large central square to be created 'Olympic Square?'. Imagine coming out of the International station, to be greeted with this grand plaza, to turn to your right and see this massive pedestrian boulevard stretching off, with the Olympic stadium and flame visible at the end. It would be simply stunning, and create a much needed orientation device and central 'anchor' for Stratford City in relation to the Olympic Park.

The square could house endless coffee shops, bars, stores and be a mjor hub of entertainment for the Olympics and beyond for athletes and spectators who don't want to travel immediately to Central London via the Olympic Javelin.

I couldn't believe it when I heard that Stratford International was going to be so far (and not provide a proper interchange with) the lines at Stratford - that, in effect, they were going to be 2 separate stations. I understand that the same mistake is due to be made at Canary Wharf when the Crossrail line is completed. All a big shame.

Whilst I agree a huge plaza would be great for East London - I believe the reason why the idea was scraped is because they need to make the Olympic site usable after the Games for the local people. Rightly or wrongly, they believe a mall will be a bigger draw than a square.

Rightly or wrongly, they believe a mall will be a bigger draw than a square.

And people wonder why British cities lack any self-identity and are all becoming copies of each other.

Stratford International is a complete white elephant

It won't be opening in november like St Pancreas even though it's been built for ages.

They haven't built a moving walkway linking the two stations - saying that it will be too expensive!

Instead we have to wait until the new Woolich DLR line is opened taking over the old North London line.

Somehow TFL think it reasonable for international travelers to alight at Stratford International with all their baggage,*change onto the new DLR Woolich branch line, go one stop to Stratford & change again for a line that actually goes somewhere.

Surely it would have been more logical to extend the Jubilee line along the same line that DLR is planned to (it's only a matter of changing points - no new tunnels).

The Jubilee line is after all the only tube line that intersects with every other tube line, so passengers alighting at Stratford International need only get on the Jubilee & be one change away from anywhere on the tube map.

How logical is it for international travelers to change for a branch line to South Woolich when it could be the Jubilee for the O2, Canary Wharf, London Bridge, Waterloo, Westminster, Bond Street, Baker Street, Wembly?

Without a decent connection between Stratford International & Stratford Regional, the International Station will always be a White Elephant.

Few international passengers will go through the hassle of getting to Stratford. Most trains won't stop & for the few that do it will be an inconvenient waste of time for the passengers that boarded or are bound for St Pancreas.

So Stratford is destined to be a white elephant, inconvenient stop like Ashford International when it could have been a viable alternative to St Pancreas relieving passenger congestion.

Stratford International will only ever see good use if HS2 gets the go-head. Without that it may aswell just be filled in after the Olympics.

Stratford International is a complete white elephant

It won't be opening in november like St Pancreas even though it's been built for ages.

Because the entire area around is a building site and therefore unsafe.

They haven't built a moving walkway linking the two stations - saying that it will be too expensive!

To build a covered moving walkway would be bloody expensive. Heard the underground walkway at waterloo was in the region of millions. The expensive bit for this would not be the walkway, but the structure that covers it!!

Instead we have to wait until the new Woolich DLR line is opened taking over the old North London line.

Always gonna happen so stop complaining this is TfL- the people who say it'll take a year to refurb a station and still 2 years down the line it isn't open (Mornington Crescent).

Somehow TFL think it reasonable for international travelers to alight at Stratford International with all their baggage,*change onto the new DLR Woolich branch line, go one stop to Stratford & change again for a line that actually goes somewhere.Surely it would have been more logical to extend the Jubilee line along the same line that DLR is planned to (it's only a matter of changing points - no new tunnels).

A further extension to the jubilee line along the same route would mean a closure of the line from West Ham through the station. Destruction of passenger walkways and entry/exit and fire escape facillities. Disruption to the lines in the higher part of the station for the duration (for safety reasons), drilling of new tunnels, laying of new rack and signalling works.

This is alot more work than conversion of existing rail-lines.

The Jubilee line is after all the only tube line that intersects with every other tube line, so passengers alighting at Stratford International need only get on the Jubilee & be one change away from anywhere on the tube map.

True. But remember again this is TfL and they like to make life difficult!
How logical is it for international travelers to change for a branch line to South Woolich when it could be the Jubilee for the O2, Canary Wharf, London Bridge, Waterloo, Westminster, Bond Street, Baker Street, Wembly?

The transfer will only be cross platform since the Jubilee and DLR extension to Stratford Int are adjacent to each other.

Without a decent connection between Stratford International & Stratford Regional, the International Station will always be a White Elephant.

Maybe but over the next 15 years the area will see growth with the development of Stratford City will bring an extra 25 000 people at current estimates so the DLR line and High speed Kent line WILL be used almost as much as the current station.

Few international passengers will go through the hassle of getting to Stratford. Most trains won't stop & for the few that do it will be an inconvenient waste of time for the passengers that boarded or are bound for St Pancreas.

So Stratford is destined to be a white elephant, inconvenient stop like Ashford International when it could have been a viable alternative to St Pancreas relieving passenger congestion.

White elephant! Maybe to start with. The DLR was seen as a novelty and an white elephant when it started, look at it now! As for the new route for the Eurostar, it will bring benefits to an area that is currently overlooked, and that is the one benefit that cannot be denied.

Stratford International station was built to kick start the beginning of Stratford becoming the central major hub for the east end. The station forms the centrepiece of Stratford City, which in turn provided a vital and pivotal jewel in the crown for the transport policy for the 2012 Olympic bid, with a direct 7 minute train journey for spectators from Central London.

Stratford International will allow Eurostar users to embark and disembark and be 20 minutes from Canary Wharf. The DLR will connect directly with Stratford Regional station, as well as West Ham and Canning Town where they can take the Jubilee Line to Canary Wharf. Extending the Jubilee Line directly to Stratford international is simply not feasible without expensive and extensive tunneling works, plus the demolition of the new Stratford Regional station only opened seven years ago.

Stratford International will not be a white elephant. As per usual, tabloid journalists and doom-mongers have taken the fact that the station will not be open until there are sufficient safe links in place to ferry passengers through a major construction site as a reason to build negativity on a project that has come in on time, on budget, and is a rarity in British planning - a project that is in place before it is needed.

Stratford International station was built to kick start the beginning of Stratford becoming the central major hub for the east end. The station forms the centrepiece of Stratford City, which in turn provided a vital and pivotal jewel in the crown for the transport policy for the 2012 Olympic bid, with a direct 7 minute train journey for spectators from Central London.

Stratford International will allow Eurostar users to embark and disembark and be 20 minutes from Canary Wharf. The DLR will connect directly with Stratford Regional station, as well as West Ham and Canning Town where they can take the Jubilee Line to Canary Wharf. Extending the Jubilee Line directly to Stratford international is simply not feasible without expensive and extensive tunneling works, plus the demolition of the new Stratford Regional station only opened seven years ago.

Stratford International will not be a white elephant. As per usual, tabloid journalists and doom-mongers have taken the fact that the station will not be open until there are sufficient safe links in place to ferry passengers through a major construction site as a reason to build negativity on a project that has come in on time, on budget, and is a rarity in British planning - a project that is in place before it is needed.

Ok for the short term.
But what about the medium term?
How different Stratford will be than Ashford?
I think Kirth made a valid point by saying (indirectly) that not enough is done to ensure that Stratford will be fully use to its potential.

How different Stratford will be than Ashford?
I think Kirth made a valid point by saying (indirectly) that not enough is done to ensure that Stratford will be fully use to its potential.

I agree with this, the omission of a travelator is certainly a pity.

Then again, I would not overdo it. When I change trains in Lille between Lille Europe and Lille Flandres, the little walk is not the end of the world. And if I have it right, one will be walking through a shopping mall here. Considering the eurostar is almost 500 m long, the walk on the platform may be almost as much as the walk to the regional station. I think what is critical is that the walk is "natural" and does not need to be massively signposted (the interchange between JLE and DLR at CW is a bad example).

Stratford Int will also differ from Ashford that it will have 8 trains (the Hitachi Bullet trains) per hour getting you into King's Cross in something like 7 mins. As CW fills up and Stratford becomes a major business pole thanks to the regeneration as part of the Olympics, this super link to King's Cross / St Pancras, with its 6 tube lines, mainland railway services and finally 24-trains-per-hour Thameslink service by 2015, will prove its worth.

I think Kirth made a valid point by saying (indirectly) that not enough is done to ensure that Stratford will be fully use to its potential.

In what way? There will be a commuter service from Kent which will stop at Stratford International which will allow Canary Wharf workers to get to and from work, as well as allowing East Londoners to use Eurostar without the need to get to Central London.

If you mean it not being connected to the London Underground, well neither is London City Airport. People just change where they need to. And at Stratford, they just get off, walk across the concourse and they are on the Jubilee line, or go up an escalator and they are on the Central line.

^^

What is the distance between Stratford Int and Stratford Reg?
Will the walking route be obvious or will it have to rely extensively on signposting?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1314/649128203_091d4bd596_o.jpg

Stratford International is the box on the right, Stratford Regional is just off the picture at the bottom. They'll be linked by a covered shopping mall- but most people would come out of the International station to be greeted by the DLR station to the side of it.

Where is the Crossrail station going to go?

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That looks to me like a site pretty unpermeable to outsiders, like a fort. I hope the Stratford planners go and have a look at the Westfield development in White City. Whilst is may be that it will all be glittering inside, the way it turns its back on Shephard's Bush reminds me more of 60s planning than good 00s planning. The traffic location may not be ideal with railways and major roads surrounding it, but then the King's Cross lands development faces similar challenges and I think deals rather well with them.

Anyway, the pedestrian route between the two stations seems to be flowing rather naturally (assuming that bridge on the bottom takes them to the regional station).

Not seen this render before, very dissapointing compared with the old stratford city application with the rogers towers and nice station building on the north side... and what's with the mamoth multi story carpark! I thought this was supposed to be a flagship example of sustainable development?

Where is the Crossrail station going to go?Crossrail won't be adding any platforms to Stratford - it'll be using platforms 5 and 8 (hopfully renumbered), which gives a cross platform interchange with the Central line.

wicked

which part of the regional station are these platforms in btw?

Not seen this render before, very dissapointing compared with the old stratford city application with the rogers towers and nice station building on the north side... and what's with the mamoth multi story carpark! I thought this was supposed to be a flagship example of sustainable development?

The Rogers tower are/were supposed to be to the north of the international station (on the right of the pic).

This is just a massing, not a detailed render. We have to wait for the final design of each of the building.

wicked

which part of the regional station are these platforms in btw?

Platforms 5 and 8 are in the older part of the station on the higher level, behind the curved glass structure that was built for the jubilee line and silverlink trains back in 98. Currently used for the 'one' services on the slow lines out of London Liverpool Street station. These are mostly the 'metro' services to Shenfield, but during the off-peak they are also used by trains to Southend Victoria.

Proposed Stratford Station (http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.541451&lon=-0.003798&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2) Layouts from TFL
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awesome Stratford Station is getting a massive Upgrade cool is there pics of the construction yet?

The work to unnderground the North London line (low level) is well underway.
The pics below were taken 5th April 2008.

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Looking West

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Looking East

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From the London 2012 site.

Improving Stratford station for the Games and beyond
Grant, Design Manager, Stratford Regional Station, 22 Apr 2008
During the Games, thousands of spectators will use Stratford Regional Station every day to get to the sporting action at the Olympic Park. As part of the Stratford team, I am pleased to report that our work to boost capacity and accessibility at the station for the Games and beyond is progressing well.

Over Christmas, we demolished buildings on platforms 10a and 11 to get ready for the construction of new structures, such as stairs and lifts, which will lead to a disused subway that we are going to re-open.

Before demolition of the old station entrance and canopy:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/uploads/before-demolition.jpg

After demolition:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/uploads/after-demolition.jpg

Behind the main ticket hall, we have started preparatory works for the construction of a new Central Line platform. This new platform will allow westbound trains to open doors on both sides, providing a more direct interchange between the Central Line and train services in the main ticket hall, such as the Jubilee Line.

Temporary works in place for the new Central Line platform:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/uploads/early-work.jpg

We have started foundation work for this platform by setting supporting piles into the ground. Each pile, measuring 300mm in diameter, is bored 10m into the ground, using a mini piling rig. So far, we have completed 50 out of a total of 100 piles.

The piling rig in action:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/uploads/piling-rig.jpg

We have also started to remove canopies and other structures from platforms three and five and platforms six and eight to prepare for new stairs and lifts into the subways. As regular station users have probably noticed, some parts of these platforms have been hoarded off to allow this work to progress safely while the station remains operational.

We also plan to start construction on a brand new station entrance on the south-east side above the current taxi rank in the summer. Minimising disruption to passengers will continue to be one of our top priorities as our work to prepare Stratford Regional Station for the 2012 Games and beyond moves forward.

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great pictures umm did you take those photos? or was it on the site?

great pictures umm did you take those photos? or was it on the site?
Thanks, the pics were taken from the top of Stratford Shopping Centre (http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.541878&lon=-0.001094&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2) multistory car park. You get a great view of Stratford Station (http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.541164&lon=-0.003487&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2) and the Stratford City (http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.542318&lon=-0.006394&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2) sites.

Its probably one of the few public sites you would get the necessary height because of the amounts of earth they are shifting.....I came up the DLR today and the height of the stacks was getting so high you can hardly see into the site itself.

Its probably one of the few public sites you would get the necessary height because of the amounts of earth they are shifting.....I came up the DLR today and the height of the stacks was getting so high you can hardly see into the site itself.

Six years ago the old North London Line used to be slightly higher than the surrounding site, all the earth you san see is the subsoil extracted from the the Channel Tunnel rail links and dumped in Stratford which raised ground level on the site up to 18m.

i guess your pretty amazed how time has changed right since 6 years ago but i am amazed at the UK now they are progressing alot since a long time now.

also Stratford Station reminds me of the LIRR Jamaica Station in Jamaica NYC where the Long Island Railroad has several Platforms.

was Stratford Station inspired by Jamaica station or was it the other way around?

......huh?

was Stratford Station inspired by Jamaica station or was it the other way around?

Stratford station was built in 1838, so I'm guessing it came first.

anyways this is the station i was talking about called "Jamaica Station" in New York city though that the Long Island Railroad uses?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/Goten2255/Transportation/Trains/800px-Jamaica_station_sunset_waitin.jpg

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i don't have the layout of the Jamaica Station to me seems similar to London's Stratford Regional station.

so Stratford came first? oh ok Jamaica station opened in 1876 and then rebuilt in 1914 to its current way and then it was modernized around 2002-2006.

Stratford was rebuilt a couple of times too I think. It won't have had all of the lines it currently does when it was first opened, but definately by 1870 (except the central line? Not sure. The DLR routes are old railway lines re-used so they were definately there). However, it's unlikely either station would have been modelled on any other. All stations are designed to deal with the required traffic effectively and every railway engineer in charge would have been able to work out how best to do that without copying wholesale another station. Maybe the buildings, but not the track layout. Also, Stratford used to be a massive freight yard too, due to it's location near the old London docks, being the access to all the other mainlines to the north and west of the UK via the route of the now North London Line.

Stratford was rebuilt a couple of times too I think. It won't have had all of the lines it currently does when it was first opened, but definately by 1870 (except the central line? Not sure. The DLR routes are old railway lines re-used so they were definately there). However, it's unlikely either station would have been modelled on any other. All stations are designed to deal with the required traffic effectively and every railway engineer in charge would have been able to work out how best to do that without copying wholesale another station. Maybe the buildings, but not the track layout. Also, Stratford used to be a massive freight yard too, due to it's location near the old London docks, being the access to all the other mainlines to the north and west of the UK via the route of the now North London Line.

Yes. Stratford has been rebuilt and extended quite a few times since it first opened in 1839.

The Central line opened in 1946 taking over the platforms used by LNER trains hence why there is no cross platform changes possible for central line.

The station entrance building was moved with the opening of the new low level station building for the jubilee line platforms and former NLL services which also increased the number of ways to access the platforms.

The Old station entrance and passage ways are being renovated and reopened due to additional pressures on passenger capacity and rail extension work due to the removal of NLL services from platform 1 and 2 to platform 10/10a and 11 and the new platforms being built for the service (currently numbered as 12a and 12b - see diagram in a previous post).

The former freight yards are being used in the developement of Stratford City and the Olympic Park as well as the most northern part as a stabling yard for Eurostar trains (North Pole) which will see construction of a vast building, however I believe that a freight route will be preserved through the area to allow freight to be carried to the docks on the essex coast.

I think it is time however to re-number all the platforms at the station as some aren't used some are over used and some are lettered....Time to unify the numbering system

thanks but still why do i get a reminder that Stratford regional station reminds me of the Long Island Railroad Jamaica Station in NYC can they be similar and why they both seem similar?

i mean it seems they both are similar can they be twinned? but the differences is that only the Long Island Railroad and Freight passes by the station while the Metro is underground where the nearby street is at.

i understand now so the Stratford Station that is today wasn't the same when it was first built the same for the LIRR Jamaica Station.

I suppose comparisons could be drawn between the two, as they are both major interchange stations on both a subway line and major regional rail lines.

Visually i suppose comparisons could be made, but the times Stratford was upgraded and renovated designs were basically functional with no excessive fancy bits which is a common theme amongst non-terminal or major centre stations in the UK most look rather plain and boring unless the managed to retain their Victorian buildings which in many areas is uncommon due to WW2 and the Beeching cuts of the 1960s, or have been deemed too small for purpose.

The new station built in 1999 for NLL (soon to be DLR Stratford international) and the Jubilee Line was constructed in the modern style all glass and steel which was inline with the other new stations on the JLE so again LIRR Jamaica could have taken influence from it but seeing the other stations built around the same time seems to be a common theme

Jamaica is basically about 8-12 long through line platforms - with branches spouting off at each end. The layout is actually quite simple, all same aligment (except the JFK monorail), no bay platforms etc...

I'd say that because of that, it's more similar to Clapham Junction, or maybe Birmingham New St in platform layout (obviously not the underground dump element), or possibly Stafford or Gatwick on a larger scale.

Edit - what it is very similar to is Richmond station in Melbourne.

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From http://www.stratford-renaissance.co.uk/stratford-life

impressive renders and plans

Looking at the above photos it would mean a massive reorganistion of Land use to the east of the current station - admittedly the land isn't up to much at the moment, just being used as a taxi rank and unused brownfield land and the that big red engine would have to be moved.

impressive renders and plans

Looking at the above photos it would mean a massive reorganistion of Land use to the east of the current station - admittedly the land isn't up to much at the moment, just being used as a taxi rank and unused brownfield land and the that big red engine would have to be moved.

http://www.london2012.com/photos/transport/robert-the-engine340x185.jpg

The Big Red Engine has already gone (http://www.london2012.com/news/archive/2008-03/robert-the-engine-temporarily-moved.php).

Thats the one

Here's the plan for Great Eastern Road.

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From Stratford-Renaissance Partnership (http://www.stratford-renaissance.co.uk).

Stratford-Renaissance Partnership Strategic Plan PDF (http://www.newham.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/CB659C1D-0794-457B-8C6E-9FDFA582D354/0/SRPStrategicPlanDraftforConsultationFinal.pdf)

Whats the 26 storey tower next to the station entrance?

So all the brown parts are pedestrianised? Interesting.

The 26 storey tower which is orange is the Allies & Morrison one, the one next to the station I have no idea about.

The proposed 26 storey tower is New Station House.
It was approved by Mayor Ken, but slated by CABE as most of the apartments only have a northern aspect and little direct sunlight, Newham has still to decide.
Who knows what Boris will do.
These are the only plans I could find.

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This should really be in the Stratford Residential Towers Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=20319226#post20319226) but londonlad did ask.

Wheres the Land Secs shopping centre where they are planning a 40 storey tower with Barrett (which has been effected by a recent EU ruling)- Is it top left of that map?

And relating to the actual topic- will the tired & dated platform canopies at Stratford be replaced as part of this development?

Wheres the Land Secs shopping centre where they are planning a 40 storey tower with Barrett (which has been effected by a recent EU ruling)- Is it top left of that map?

More like dead centre. Top left is the Carpenters Estate.

Land Securities' Stratford plan dealt blow by EU ruling
Ben Cook, Regen.net, 28 April 2008

Developer Land Securities' hopes of signing an agreement with Newham Council to extend a shopping centre in the borough have been dealt a blow by a European Union ruling.

The property company has, over the last four years, been developing plans for a mixed-use extension to its 350,000 square foot Stratford Centre in east London. The extension would have involved the development of land owned by Newham Council.

But an EU ruling on a case in France means Newham Council has been forced to put the contract out to full tender.The ruling - which related to a case involving Roanne town council - has established the principle that public development agreements are bound by EU procurement rules. Previously, such development agreements were not considered to be work contracts falling under EU procurement legislation.

Land Securities says it was close to signing a deal with Newham Council and the London Thames Gateway Development Corporation to work on the project, but now the contract has been put out to tender via the Official Journal of the European Union.

The Stratford Island Regeneration Project will consist of an extension to the shopping centre as well as educational facilities for the University of London.

A spokesman for Land Securities, which owns the shopping centre, said the company was "disappointed" with the ruling.

He added: "The Stratford centre has development potential and we will take a view on what is the best way forward."

From the Newham Magazine (http://www.newham.gov.uk/AboutNewham/Newhammag.htm).

Have you noticed the transformations going on at Stratford Station? Keeping up with all the other changes to the major East End hub, which is regenerating so fast it makes your head spin, the station is in the middle of a major expansion programme in preparation for the 2012 Games and related improved transport links to the area.

The works, which are funded by the Olympic Delivery Authority, Doclands Light Railway and Westfield, have been planned, planned and planned some more, so that residents and transport users should barely notice the minimal disruption while they take place. Those who are not regular users of the station could be forgiven for thinking that little is going on but up on the platforms and down in the subways construction gangs are hard at work behind the protective hoardings, ensuring that tight timescales are met and that today’s travellers experience the minimum of inconvenience. In contrast, the improvements that the changes will bring to the area
will be obvious to everyone.

Ones to watch

Some of the changes will happen sooner than you think. Here are the immediate changes that transport users can expect to see in the run- up to the Games:

Now...

Cycle racks are back at the station, so you can lock up your bike again. These were moved to create access to the London Overground tracks so that crucial works could be done.

Next...
In February 2009 – just nine months away – Eurostar will arrive in Stratford, opening up the East End to continental Europe and making it easy for residents to pop over to Paris for the day, or for people from all over the continent to find out why east London is such a great place to be.

On the horizon...
In summer 2010 DLR will open a new Stratford High Street station, creating transport links to the
Docklands and residential parts of east London.
Summer 2010 will also see a bridge connecting Stratford regional station to the international station and Stratford City, to save your shoe leather for all the shopping you’ll want to do.

Fronting up changes

‘Front of house’ changes will be the first outward sign of change. Soon work will start on improving access to the station from the town centre and to prepare the way for a new bridge that will link Meridian Square with the new
Stratford City development.
Executive advisor for regeneration Councillor Connor McAuley said: “Many will remember the dreary subway used to access the station in days gone by. Since then the station has transformed immensely and will continue to develop to provide the first class facilities residents deserve. At the moment the situation is far from perfect.
Passengers are faced with commuter congestion and ticket halls delays. The improvements will help ease this and provide first class facilities and our first visible legacy from the Olympics.”
The first sign of the front of station works that visitors will see will be in the relocation of the taxi rank and stand for the Stansted Airport coach link. These will be moved to the area that was until recently occupied by Robert the industrial steam locomotive, which was relocated to the East Anglian
Railway Museum. Robert will return to Stratford once work at the station is complete.
Robert’s story, the history of Stratford Station and the legacy of the Games will be told in a colourful display to be mounted on the hoarding line that will be erected to protect the front of station works.

Vital statistics

Over the course of the 2012 Games, it is estimated that:
> around 275,000 spectators will travel to and from events in the Park each day
> around 58 per cent of spectators travelling by rail – 120,000 a day – will use Stratford Regional Station to reach the Park
> more than half a million spectators could need transport on the busiest days of the competition
> 75,000 Olympic Family members and more than 23,000 Paralympic Family members will need transport
> approximately 215,000 spectators will use National Rail or Underground services to reach the Park.

Stratford Station May 11 2008

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More detailed plans of the station layout from the Paralympic Accessible Transport Strategy Download (PDF) (http://www.london2012.com/documents/oda-transport/accessible-transport-strategy-accessible-pdf.pdf) Lots of new lifts and stairs.

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It's interesting to see how much of the new build is attributed to the Olympics and how little to Stratford City. All this for a few weeks in 2012 leaves us with quite a legacy.

From 2012 Blog (http://www.london2012.com/blog/2008/06/20/transport-progress-helping-people-get-to-the-games-easil.php).
Transport progress: helping people get to the Games easily
Andy, TfL Rail Interface Manager, 20 Jun 2008

It’s not only the Olympic Park that’s under construction here. A Bluewater-size shopping development is well underway between Stratford International and Stratford Regional Station. Stratford Regional Station itself is being substantially rebuilt and enlarged through an investment of more than £100m from the ODA.

Work taking place at Stratford International:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/uploads/dlr-stratford-international.jpg

Add to this a new DLR line connecting the two stations with a below-ground station at Stratford International and a new section of mainline railway to new north London Line platforms at Stratford Regional, it’s clear that this is a huge, multi-faceted project.

DLR Extension looking good about 2 years until another extension to the network

Don't know whether anyone can confirm this but whilst waiting for a train at stratford recently I overheard a conversation between 2 station staff about a possible renumbering of platforms at the regional station as mentioned previously its a hotchpotch of numbers and letters.

As mentioned previously a renumbering would do the station some good.

From alwaystouchout.com (http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/44)

Key Bid Points

A 5% increase in loadings
Much is being made of the fact that since loadings on the public transport network are already high daily, the extra burden imposed by the Olympics will be minimal since the extra demand is only 5% of normal weekday traffic. It is also noted that since these will be the summer holidays, the usual 20% decrease in commuter traffic will occur. Finally, most traffic is expected to be in the reverse direction to commuting (i.e. out of Central London towards Stratford).

240 trains per hour
The bid team claimed that the Olympic Park will be served by some 240 trains per hour. This is how this seemingly immense frequency will be achieved:

Stratford
North London Line: 8tph from Richmond, (8tph from North Woolwich*)
Great Eastern: 16tph from Liverpool St, 16tph from Essex or East Anglia
Central Line: 30tph from central London, 30tph from northeast London
Jubilee Line: 31tph from central London
Lea Valley Line: 2tph from Stansted Airport, 2tph from Hertford East
Channel Tunnel Rail Link ("Javelin" Shuttle): 10tph from St Pancras, 10tph from Ebbsfleet
Docklands Light Rail: 10tph from Lewisham, (~10tph from Canning Town or Woolwich Arsenal*)
West Ham
District and Hammersmith & City Lines: 31tph from central London, 31tph from Barking or Upminster
c2c: 8tph from Fenchurch St, 8tph from Essex
* By 2012, the DLR link from Canning Town to Stratford International should be operating and these trains would replace the North London Line ones from North Woolwich.

These frequencies will be achieved through a combination of existing upgrades and improvements to national rail infrastructure (£130m to pay for signalling enhancements, platform & station alterations and resilience measures on the North London Line), London Underground enhancement (£15m) and DLR capacity enhancement (£32m).

Work begins around the old entrance.

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Central line platforms.

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anyone got or know where to get the plans for the "current" Station House? would be great if anyone can help.. ^_^:banana:

Plans for the new DLR platforms can be found here (http://planning.london2012.com/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=JXKFCDSZ00M00&searchtype=WEEKLY) on the ODA Planning Public Access Site (just click on the Associated documents tab to view the PDFs)

Here are some screen snaps.

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I still can't see why extra points aren't being built to allow the Jubilee line to serve Stratford international along these same lines.
It does seem poor traffic flow to expect passengers alighting a Stratford International to get on the DLR for one stop only to change again for a train that actually goes somewhere.
DLR - South Woolich.
Jubilee - O2 - Canary Wharf - London Bridge - Waterloo - Westminster - Bond Street - Wembly.

New central line platform & upper level ticket hall construction.

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New temporary taxi rank & coach stop being built.

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From the 2012 blog (http://www.london2012.com/blog/2008/07/30/behind-the-scenes-at-stratford-regional-station.php).

Behind the scenes at Stratford Regional Station
Tony, ODA Transport team, 30 Jul 2008
Getting Stratford Regional Station – used by 40,000 people each morning – ready to be the gateway for the 2012 Games is a big job. What makes it more challenging is that the station has to remain ‘business as usual’ while work takes place.

Blue hoardings are now up around the station. Behind these hoardings, the Olympic Delivery Authority is making improvements to the station to boost its capacity and accessibility. This includes new lifts and stairs, an additional Central Line platform, a new entrance and restoring an old subway.

These enhancements, which are being delivered by Network Rail and London Underground, are taking place just metres from where passengers wait for their trains.

Take a look at the work going on behind the hoardings.

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Steel pilings are being installed into the ground, as seen here on platforms 3 and 5. They provide support when the earth is removed to create the platforms' new stairs and lifts.

Digging down:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/platform-68-stairs-lifts-185x340.jpg

Earth has been dug out here to start the new lift and stairs from platforms 6 and 8 to the western subway. The soil is taken away at night so it doesn’t have to be moved between passengers during the day. This is due to finish early 2009.

Steel work:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/steel-work-close-up-340x185.jpg

Underground:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/eastern-subway-340x185.jpg

Inside the eastern subway, which has not been used for more than 10 years, steel ‘starter bars’ mark the beginning of new stairs to platforms 3 and 5.

New platform:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/new-central-line-platform-1-340x185.jpg

Work has started to build the new Central Line on platform 3a. This will mean passengers can get on and off the train from both sides of the carriage, easing congestion in subways and allowing a direct interchange from Central to Jubilee Lines.

Benefits now:

http://www.london2012.com/blog/platform-68-340x185.jpg

Passengers are already experiencing the extra space on platforms 6 and 8, which we widened last year by up to 3.2m. The old canopy was taken down recently and we are building a new one due to be finished later this year.

this is great thanks its progressing alot and i mean alot faster now and also whats the building in the recent pictures i see in construction?

this is great thanks its progressing alot and i mean alot faster now and also whats the building in the recent pictures i see in construction?
If it's in the top picture above, it's probably the "John Lewis" building, check out the Stratford City thread.

It is amazing how smoothly the construction effort is being handled so far in comparison to other project in the Uk (Scottish Parliament and Wembley)

aerial view of Current Stratford station (http://londonfish.blogspot.com/2008/06/stratford-newham-london.html)

Welcome to the forums Siddiq.

Nice pics. I hate the blue and yellow framed council offices by the roundabout. Hopefully they'll be knocked down as part of the redevelopment. The old town hall looks good, pity about the state of the old shopping centre, although that too is due for some refurbishment.

why there is no shiny building in London like Dubai, Singapure or USA , here in London everything seems to made by Brikcs not by steel or clasess

why there is no shiny building in London like Dubai, Singapure or USA , here in London everything seems to made by Brikcs not by steel or clasess

Oh dear. Another child has arrived.

Nice pics. I hate the blue and yellow framed council offices by the roundabout. Hopefully they'll be knocked down as part of the redevelopment. The old town hall looks good, pity about the state of the old shopping centre, although that too is due for some refurbishment.

Know what you mean Plaistow, they just scream Pet Shop Boys, Bros, Filofaxes and RaRa skirts don't they? :)

"Lets make lots of money"...

"Hold on Sebastian me old china, my mobile brick is ringing..." LOL

CF

Would be nice to see something happening with them most of the work in the area is either going in the direction of the olympics or further along the high street building new residential blocks down towards the bow flyover

New temporary drop point.

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New temporary taxi rank & coach stop.

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Site being cleared for new ticket hall, platforms & bridge.

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very great pictures i see alot of progression going on over the Stratford area thats good.

blimey does that tower exist now?

Yeah been finished about a year now, I think it's called the Stratford Eye. The matt black makes it look sexier than it is.

October 1st 2008.
New central line platform work.

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The main fault with Stratford station is the lack of escalators. Is this going to be addressed, or are we going to have the embarrassment all over again of insufficient thought given to persons carrying heavier loads or suitcases?

I find Kings Cross St. Pancras ludicrous with its lack of escalators when you consider it was all part of the grand redesign for Eurostar. People travelling long distances or for a week or two do not carry just a briefcase or handbag or have all their goods and chattels waiting for them at their destination (despite Michael O'Leary's belief otherwise).

The finished parts of KXSP have lifts everywhere, as will the Northern Ticket Hall passageways.

The same thing is happening at Stratford - no new escalators but plenty of extra lifts. The only new escalators I can see on the plan are up to the new north exit from the western subway.

The main fault with Stratford station is the lack of escalators. Is this going to be addressed, or are we going to have the embarrassment all over again of insufficient thought given to persons carrying heavier loads or suitcases?

I find Kings Cross St. Pancras ludicrous with its lack of escalators when you consider it was all part of the grand redesign for Eurostar. People travelling long distances or for a week or two do not carry just a briefcase or handbag or have all their goods and chattels waiting for them at their destination (despite Michael O'Leary's belief otherwise).

I agree, from the plan they are doubling up on the lifts in the main ticket hall and the escalator on the western side.

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I still cannot figure out why they didn't extend the Jubilee line up to the Stratford International along the old North London Line and terminate the new Woolich DLR line by the bus station. Letting international passengers transfer directly to the Jubilee line strikes me as common sense. It is the only tube line that connects with every other tube line so international passengers need only make one more change to reach every tube station in London, surely more sensible passenger flow and it would make Stratford a viable alternative to St Pancras.

I'd imagine the turns being too tight for 1996 Stock to handle efficiently, especially considering the ATO upgrade where over 30tph will be operated. TfL probably didn't want any bottlenecks.

And the argument about escalators is silly. There should be less people with luggage on escalators, not more. Have you ever seen how dangerous it is at Kings X tube station with the escalators down to the Piccadilly lines? Many a times there have been backlogs because out-of-towners are too scared by the speed escalators go at and get their bags stuck at the bottom...

I still cannot figure out why they didn't extend the Jubilee line up to the Stratford International along the old North London Line and terminate the new Woolich DLR line by the bus station.
Number one is cost. It's viewed as a cheap add-on to the DLR extension up to Stratford*, rather than a whole new scheme like diverting the Jubilee would be. Add on that more expensive stations at Stratford and Stratford International on the new route, and the potential issue with the tightness of curves, and you've got.

(* which if a pre-requisite of any scheme, else you don't get permission to close the NLL**, and therefore have no route under Stratford station)

(** the key argument in the Stratford-North Woolwich closure application was the proposed direct DLR trains from Stratford to North Woolwich, reusing much of the trackbeD)

It is the only tube line that connects with every other tube line
Point of order: Since the ELL closed, the Jubilee, Northern, Bakerloo, Central and Circle can all make that claim.
so international passengers need only make one more change to reach every tube station in London, surely more sensible passenger flow and it would make Stratford a viable alternative to St Pancras.
There's no intention by anyone involved to provide an alternative. Stratford is intended as a station for East London, and the DLR does a better job of serving it than the JL does.

And the argument about escalators is silly. There should be less people with luggage on escalators, not more. Have you ever seen how dangerous it is at Kings X tube station with the escalators down to the Piccadilly lines? Many a times there have been backlogs because out-of-towners are too scared by the speed escalators go at and get their bags stuck at the bottom...

Out of towners are a hazard anywhere and everywhere, not just in London (Paris is dreadful for that as well!). I use Canning Town a fair bit when I go to my gym and the City Airport people are a hazard at the top and bottom of the Jubilee/DLR escalators. Having said that, there are a fair number of locals who gormlessly stand at the top of the escalator to see which platform the next Beckton/King George V is leaving with the present "confusion" going on. How do I know they are locals? They ask me how to get to places. I don't even dress like a DLR employee!

As for the argument being silly, that's as maybe (heavens I avoid Kings Cross as much as possible), but if I can move from the bottom/top of an escalator to allow others to get off, why can't other people apply some common sense as well? Ever been stuck behind somebody on the stairs lumping their wheely suitcases thumping on each step or carrying it at an angle. Argh!!! No wonder I get grumpy! Time to write an epistle to the Daily Telegraph, methinks!

I always thought extending the Jubilee via Stratford International to Hackney Wick and taking over the East London line as far as Dalston would be a great idea. It would get rid of a big junction, give Hackney a frequent and real tube line and make them able to run all LO trains down the ELLX. Obviously freight would have to be diverted or the tracks for this section would have to be quadrupled.

Yes, allways liked the idea of Jubilee to Hackney, though it would be a rather cruel trick for Hackney to finaly get a tube line, but one that goes to stratford! Not quite what they hand in mind I think!

DLR would make better use of the corridor, but the Overground looks to be providing a DLR like service anyway and it allows continued use for freight and more operational flexbility. If Chelney get's moving perhaps it can take over the Dalston to Stratford section of the Overground? Though I'd bet we'll have teleports before there are trains running.

All in all, the solution they came to makes a lot of sence.

The LDA has released images of the plans for the Stratford station extension

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=725&storycode=3127269&c=1

^^ The part in those pictures is already built and open

^^ The part in those pictures is already built and open

It's the new ticket hall and staircase to the right they are talking about.

^^ Reading it a second time I see that now. But they were not very clear about it. Something needs to be done for the ticket office. The queues at that entrance are horrendous at the moment

Well they are constructing the Northern Ticket Hall, but I don't see why they can't open up the jubilee line ticket area.

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New look for Stratford Station

New images showing how Olympic station, Stratford will look in 2012 have been revealed by the Olympic Delivery Authority as £100m upgrade work begins on the front of the station
The new pictures of Stratford Regional Station were revealed on new hoardings outside the station this morning.

The hoardings depict the history of the station and its important role in East End life, taking commuters and residents through to what it will look like in 2010 when the work is completed.

The £100m construction project to transform the station will accommodate hundreds of thousands of spectators coming to the Games in 2012, and leave a legacy of improved transport links for east London.

By 2016, the number of passengers at Stratford Regional Station in the morning peak is expected to more than double, and the Olympic Delivery Authority's work to treble the capacity of the station and improve accessibility will help meet this future demand.

The work includes nine new lifts, new platforms, wider, longer and clearer platforms, and a new station entrance at mezzanine level.

"The vast majority of spectators going to the Games by train in 2012 will use Stratford Regional Station," said ODA Transport Director Hugh Sumner. "This £100m construction project to treble capacity will make sure that we can get everyone to the Olympic Park quickly and safely, as well as serve the growing community in years to come."

The new entrance at mezzanine level, which is the biggest visible change to the front of the station, will help reduce congestion during the Games. It will allow people leaving the Olympic Park to bypass the subways and use a new bridge (being built by Westfield) to directly access the new Central line and DLR platforms for services towards London.

A new westbound Central Line platform will allow passengers to get on and off from both sides of the train instead of just one at present. This will reduce congestion on platforms, in staircases and lifts and improve boarding and alighting times.

In the years after the Games, it will continue to help reduce congestion for people using the new parklands and visitors to Stratford City.


The upgrade work at Stratford Regional Station is being delivered by Network Rail and London Underground Ltd.

How can they make wider platforms without moving any of the track?

Apart from three new platforms I dont see how they can make the current platforms wider without moving everything and now the new Overground platforms are nearly finished they can't do that without removing a track or platform.

How can they make wider platforms without moving any of the track?

Taking out clutter and removing the little offices and cafe from the centre of the platforms.

The majority of platform 'clutter' is supposed to be going anyway, hence why the majority of outlets on platforms have already closed.......

There were rumours about the WHSmiths closing on the main barrier side and the little cafe type thing on the jubilee line side closing too just to enable more space for other things such as lifts and flow space but I think in the end they decided not to for the time being as I heard nothing more about it.

Mmm as bad as I expected. No sign of the full link bridge to the old shopping centre that was proposed.

Just thought I'd put all the pics in one place.

Plans:

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Pics from BDonline (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=725&storycode=3127269&c=1)

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That flight of steps is like something from a 50s musical - I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic. Imagine that on a cold icy morning.

Nice to see recycling of stock images in the renderings - it seems the ladies in the blue and pink tops are approaching the station simultaneously from two different directions LOL.

Re-reading the press release again and looking at the renders, it suggests to me that Westfield actually want to put entrances from the footbridge direct onto the platforms, so that'll would make the bridge another entrance with yet more ticket barriers.

So yet another pinch point..........

Given the issues with the Shepherds Bush Westfield - this suggests poor planning on their part and TfL/councils just acting as a rubber stamp. Unless I have it all wrong??

This from Transport Briefing:

Stratford bus plan addresses interchange embarrassment
Filed 24/11/08

The government has stepped in to broker a free bus service between Stratford International and regional stations in time for the start of domestic services on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link in December next year.

Ministers have been forced to act to avoid a situation where passengers travelling on the new Southeastern Hitachi trains arrive in the middle of a building site for the Stratford City retail development. Plans to build a travelator between the two stations were dropped by Channel Tunnel Rail Link owner London and Continental Railways in 2006 (Transport Briefing 09/11/06) after the link was deemed too expensive. The Docklands Light Railway extension to Stratford International is due to open in July 2010, providing rail services between the two stations, but this leaves an eight month gap without an adequate means for passengers to make connections.

The new shuttle bus will provide a free service to Southeastern ticket holders between the new Stratford International station and the existing regional station. Buses will operate until the Stratford City retail development provides a permanent walking route between the two Stratford stations, currently planned for early 2011.

Transport minister Andrew Adonis said: "The new shuttle bus service will benefit all passengers, be they local people using the high speed rail service or commuters coming in from Kent to work in the capital. I am pleased to see the commitment of all stakeholders involved in delivering a quality interchange service between the new Stratford International station and the regional station."

The new domestic high speed rail service, operated by Southeastern between Kent and St Pancras International, and stopping in Stratford, is scheduled to start on the 13 December 2009. Hitachi trains will run on the High Speed 1 line into St Pancras, but will also operate into north and east Kent along Network Rail routes.

I suppose the bus link is better than nothing, and will enable the station to open.

However the level of congestion in the area is already bad and is only going to get worse given there is no direct route connecting the area at the moment.

The possible routes as I see them are either coming onto Angel Lane over the biggest pinch point in the area -the old bridge over the rail lines, or the two longer routes around the olympic park one coming from the west along the high street, or a longer eastern route via leyton.

I wonder how widely SouthEastern will promote the Stratford International stop at first? I predict that most of their marketing will concentrate on the Kent - St Pancras routes. Once Stratford City, Westfield and the DLR extension are built, they're likely to promote it more heavily. Hopefully then we'll also get the firm commitment from Eurostar about trains stopping there.

i wonder how busy that line will be as well, considering they are putting a premium on all travel on HS1, think it's like 50% on south eastern services, i'm not sure though. Also the line is hardly running through the commuter parts of kent, but the dumps. it's expensive enough getting from London to canterbury (£20), without a premium for a slightly quicker service which takes you further away from the city and or west end!

I suppose the bus link is better than nothing, and will enable the station to open.

However the level of congestion in the area is already bad and is only going to get worse given there is no direct route connecting the area at the moment.

The possible routes as I see them are either coming onto Angel Lane over the biggest pinch point in the area -the old bridge over the rail lines, or the two longer routes around the olympic park one coming from the west along the high street, or a longer eastern route via leyton.

Got a feeling its going to run from an extension of Chobham Road towards Angel Lane as they have been working on a bridge into the Olmypic site fro the end of Chobham Road now for awhile and it looks to be complete by the time Stratford International opens.

This from Transport Briefing:

Stratford bus plan addresses interchange embarrassment
Filed 24/11/08

The government has stepped in to broker a free bus service between Stratford International and regional stations in time for the start of domestic services on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link in December next year.

Ministers have been forced to act to avoid a situation where passengers travelling on the new Southeastern Hitachi trains arrive in the middle of a building site for the Stratford City retail development. Plans to build a travelator between the two stations were dropped by Channel Tunnel Rail Link owner London and Continental Railways in 2006 (Transport Briefing 09/11/06) after the link was deemed too expensive. The Docklands Light Railway extension to Stratford International is due to open in July 2010, providing rail services between the two stations, but this leaves an eight month gap without an adequate means for passengers to make connections.

The new shuttle bus will provide a free service to Southeastern ticket holders between the new Stratford International station and the existing regional station. Buses will operate until the Stratford City retail development provides a permanent walking route between the two Stratford stations, currently planned for early 2011.

Transport minister Andrew Adonis said: "The new shuttle bus service will benefit all passengers, be they local people using the high speed rail service or commuters coming in from Kent to work in the capital. I am pleased to see the commitment of all stakeholders involved in delivering a quality interchange service between the new Stratford International station and the regional station."

The new domestic high speed rail service, operated by Southeastern between Kent and St Pancras International, and stopping in Stratford, is scheduled to start on the 13 December 2009. Hitachi trains will run on the High Speed 1 line into St Pancras, but will also operate into north and east Kent along Network Rail routes.

What a pigs ear - how much do these people get paid.

What a pigs ear - how much do these people get paid.

Which people? Southeastern, very sensibly, decided it'd be better to wait til SInt wasn't a building site; the government, for understandable political reasons of avoiding Outcry and Horror from the usual suspect, is providing a pathetic bus service that nobody's going to use, at a cost of not very much. While it's a shame that the govt are forced to cater for idiots, they are, and this is by far the least worst way of doing so.

I thought they are going to extend the DLR from Stratford low level platforms to the International station.

They are - the bus will be withdrawn once the Westfield pedestrian link and the DLR extension are opened.

Actually I'd blame the developers of Stratford City for not starting it quick enough. Let's be honest here though, if it wasn't for the Olympics there would be no hope in hell of Stratford City being built during this crisis.

Are Eurostar actually a 'maybe' then?

If trains stopped here, would they get the Ashford treatment whereas Ebbsfleet is inundated despite being a wasteland?

I think they're a definite during the Olympics but I think there's still a question mark over them stopping at other times.

There's been significant progress on the central line platform. I would take pictures on the way to Uni but my camera on the phone is knackered.

I hope no one minds me adding news about Stratford International to the Stratford (regional) thread...

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED12%20Jan%202009%2019%3A01%3A40%3A987

The link includes an illustration of what to expect inside the station... WH Smith and Cafe Nero.

ENGINEERING architects have been awarded a £750,000 contract for the interior fitting of the new Stratford International station opening at the end of the year next to the 2012 Olympics Park.

Specialist designers MPS won the 29-week project to bring Stratford International station to full operational readiness by December.

The scheme also includes creating of a new mezzanine level and the extension of two existing mezzanine floors, while some facilities already installed are being relocated to meet future London 2012 needs.

The architects were selected after successfully undertaking the design of Ebbsfleet International station further down the line in North Kent. Construction work is to be carried out by their engineering sister company Morgan Ashurst.

A fast seven-minute ‘Javelin’ shuttle is planned for Stratford International for spectators heading for the London Olympic Park during the 2012 Games from St Pancras International, which will also go on to Ebbsfleet and Ashford stations in Kent.

Up to 25,000 spectators journalists and Games officials are expected to use these the shuttle every hour.

20 February 2009 from the shopping centre roof - Olympic stadium taking shape on the horizon to the left.

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Footbridge being constructed and jacked across rail lines.

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The footbridge to Stratford City is now being jack across the the great Eastern line.

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i am glad to see this construction going with the crisis going on.

man this is going to be one heck of a spectuaclur Station it will be an awesome site to see both the Regional and international Stations be there for the olympics and beyond.

I noticed today that the new London Overground platforms at Stratford, currently under construction, have hanging platform signs, with an orange strip above the word Stratford. What happened to LO's idea to have LU style station boards with large roundels and the station name inside?

I noticed today that the new London Overground platforms at Stratford, currently under construction, have hanging platform signs, with an orange strip above the word Stratford. What happened to LO's idea to have LU style station boards with large roundels and the station name inside?

Stratford Regional remains owned and managed by NR so to that ends it's no different to a station like Wimbledon where even though there are dedicated LU platforms, they don't get LU roundels:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/South_West_Trains_455913_-_London_Underground_C-stock_5545.jpg


Stations like Hoxton, Haggerston and Dalston which will be operated by LOROL will get 'proper' roundels.

Wow, old Livery, how old is that pic?

Wow, old Livery, how old is that pic?

Probably only about 5 years tops... the crappy Stagecoach livery lingered on on a lot of those suburban SWT EMUs until very recently.

Some pics of Stratford station this week from the london2012 website.

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nice pictures man its amazing how this is progressing i am thinking its going to look beautiful when its completed awesome Stratford station is looking much more modern and bigger now awesome.

Some questions of no great importance, but curious...

Are the centre sections of the existing platform canopies going to be replaced, to match the extension canopies at each end? (See third photo from bottom, above.)

Can only one of the two new Overground tracks ever be extended, if trains are extended beyond Stratford up the Lea Valley? (See fifth photo from bottom, above.)

Some questions of no great importance, but curious...

Are the centre sections of the existing platform canopies going to be replaced, to match the extension canopies at each end? (See third photo from bottom, above.)

Can only one of the two new Overground tracks ever be extended, if trains are extended beyond Stratford up the Lea Valley? (See fifth photo from bottom, above.)

Dunno about the first question, but I would have thought so... Regarding LOROL trains continuing up the Lea Valley there's nothing stopping them now utilising existing track, although I guess it would be preferable for the new terminal platform roads to be extended to join the Lea Valley line beyond the buffer stops to prevent a bottleneck.

Both platforms could be extended although it will be easier to do platform 1 and keep platform 2 as a bay. They can use 11 and 12 if they wanted a through service.

That is something I would love to see, reopen Lea Bridge and have a Richmond/Clapham to Richmond/Clapham via Camden Rd, Hackney, Stratford and South Tottenham (and vice versa)

I used Lea Bridge once in the late 1970s(?)

The diesel multiple unit driver looked amazed he had an intended passenger.

(I think it was Tottenham Hale to Stratford, or maybe to North Woolwich.)

I used Lea Bridge once in the late 1970s(?)

The diesel multiple unit driver looked amazed he had an intended passenger.

(I think it was Tottenham Hale to Stratford, or maybe to North Woolwich.)

Yes would have been Tottenham Hale to North Woolwich, a remnant of the original Palace Gates to North Woolwich (via South Tottenham) service. Until the 1980's there was a Richmond to Broad St service over the western portion of what was to become the North London Line and Tottenham Hale to North Woolwich over the eastern portion; there was no passenger service between Dalston Western Junction and Stratford (Dalston Kingsland, Hackney Central and Hackney Wick were all opened in the 1980's), as had been the case since the beginning of WW2.

From Andrew Orange on flickr:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3602437385_297f11462e_b.jpg

^ friggin sahweeeeeeet! Construction is going bang busters! YAY!

One of mine from my Holden Point trip.

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All of the new infrastructure in East London is great to see, especially, for me, the railway-related stuff.

But, despite this all the stuff relating to the Olympics, one fact will remain true.

Stratford will still be a shithole.

huh how come alot of the construction that is going on is remarkable wow.

but how come it will still be a shithole i don't understand, maybe its because i don't live in London to understand of Stratford?

but wow its increable how everything seems like its busy just wow at the construction.

I suppose there will still be a lot of deprivation in Stratford, but the projects happening will help drive regeneration to a large extent I think.

One of my concerns though is that the transport routes service Stratford seem to divide it quite a bit. One of the biggest issues in Leeds is that there's huge wealth in the city, but the railway viaducts, rivers and roads don't allow it to spread out of the city. I suppose Canary Wharf is similar, with the river on three sides and major roads/DLR to the north. Stratford looks like it is heading the same way.

the council towers and the horrendous car park are really not doing it for me. Until something happens there it will still look like a substandard part of London with a nice shiny new neigbour and drawbridge to boot.

It's only because Stratford has developed since the 1960s in a backward manner, with the traffic gyratory and ubiquitous shopping mall turning its back on the original town centre, which actually has a lot of potential to be a nice quarter of east London. There are plans to remove the rings road and the shopping centre in the long term. It may well be a 'shithole' but hey, it's a shithole that's hosting the 2012 Olympics, which means it has a lot going for it than many other places in London.