Prepare for the Next Generation in Commercial Buildings, never before Experienced in Australia..

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Commercial Plaza on Flinders

The latest commercial development in the booming Townsville CBD.

"its important that buildings built in this modern era incorperate more then just a space for people to work. This Commercial Building on Flinders is so much more. It is an essence. A concept. A Destination."
- Danubis on Channel 10 News 17th October 2004

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/danubiis/f6a031df.jpg

You can see by the generous floorspace and ceiling to floor windows that the architect has really considered the needs of todays businessman.

Extract from Interview of the Architect "gotta love 'im'' gertzy -

"...These two Pictures are of a sketch of a Building I thought up and Designed. If built, It shall be called Commercial Plaza on Flinders as I would like it to be on Flinders street. The Building is 23 stories (17 in pics as less Paper space). So I might send copies out to Property developers and Architects etc and see how they like it."


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/danubiis/3drender.jpg

Testimonials -

"it looks like a bunch of squares. So ur building is just a box?"
-Blend 17 October 2004

Gertzy on what he could do to make the design better -

"I might need to make them a bit more bigger maybe."


Visit the website for further information -

Commercial Building on Flinders (http://www.commercialbuildingonflinders.com)

New Renders!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Blend/flinders1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Blend/flinders2.jpg

lol

clad it in glass and even a prism like that can look great.

Oh Danubis the launch site appears to be down ;)

I'd love to see a more advanced version Gertzy - keep at it.

Hello oriolus,

Thankyou for bringing the issue of the website to my attention. I will endevour to have this situation remedied as soon as possible. In the meantime, please direct all sales enquires to Gertzy and he'll be only too happy to pass on the relevant literature.

Cheers.

Danubis.

Yes, where the sqigly lines are drawn inside the boxes in the renders. That means glass window. But it is going to be a rectangular Prism structure. But I mean, This is really funny to me as I didn't think it was that big a deal. You all crack me up.

If its built. The Lobby will be Two floors with a couple of Shops on ground and Cafes and a resturant on second lobby floor. That funny Danubis. As last statement, yes the building is a rectangular prism box.

The name is too long. I am sure that if this is built it this will not be the name.

Flinders Plaza sounds better.

Yeah, that was a tempo name as It's mainly a commercial Building. So yes Flinders Plaza sounds good.

what about "The Townsville Retail And Commercial Plaza Centre"

That sounds good too. Maybe we could go with Townsville Central Retail Plaza and Commercial Plaza centre.

If anyone would like to see an advanced copy of it. PM me your name, address etc. Just that and also post code. It'll be kept confidnetial. In fact after I send them, Il'll dispose of them. And Il'll send a copy within the next two weeks or so.

any developments gertzy?...

New look Commercial Plaza (renamed Hotel Plaza) coming soon.

Well it's a shame Commericial Plaza on Flinders didn't eventuate, but here's something I drew the other day. I give you:

Litoria Centre

Named for the genus of tree frogs, this 37 storey, 133 metre building (just enough not to embarrass Adelaide :D) will be built on the Dimmey's Plaza site, incorporating retail and parking in the podium (including a Myer store) with office space in the tower, topped by a 2 floor obervation deck and restuarant.

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/1113/litoria2fe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Special prize for anyone who can guess the building I got inspiration from

^ Central Plaza One in Brisbane?? What do I win?

I just recently designed a 30 story tower at around 95m with a 15m spire similar to the Collins street buildings.

^ Central Plaza One in Brisbane?? What do I win?Nope not CP1. It was Melbourne Central actually (the detailing on the facade)

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/images/aus/Melbourne-Central.jpg

hey?! who changed the name of this thread?!?! who said anything about fantasy?! :P

One of My Proposed Fantasy plans is the Three Story 210 store Pallaranda Shoppingtown and Complex.

It includes the Shopping centre itself.
*A Water Theme Park (alas Wet n Wild world style but smaller)
*An Indoor Theme Park that can be entered via the Food Court
*A Hotel High Rise and Two Apartment Complexes nearby with Sea views
*An area for Big Box retailers in seperate Buildings (i.e The Warehouse, Bunnings, Harvey Norman etc.)
*A monorail linking these areas (One at the Theme Park, Two for the shopping centre, One at the Water theme Park, and one at the Hotel and Apartment area. Monorail with two different directional Rails.
*and a new Highway/motorway that runs from Pallaranda Road to the Bruce Highway after Saunder Beach that links the Northern Beaches to the CBD Via Palleranda.

An Amazing and Unrealistic Dream I know.

Pallaranda Shoppingtown and Complex.Where would it be located?

Somewhere between Rowes Bay and Palleranda, If built, its going to be a massive complex. Its off Palleranda Road, but just somewhere between Palleranda and Rowes Bay.

I like Gertzys idea of a shopping centre at Pallaranda. It's obvious that Pallaranda is the great frontier for that sort of development in Townsville. It is miles of beaches next to a major CBD. That would be a great setting for Gertzys dream.

A shopping centre should not only be for shopping but a location to bring the family and spend a day out. :)

I used to go to this shopping centre in Bangkok. It was a high rise with levels of shopping. But on two of the floors there were amusement park rides with disney style robots. At the top of the building was a great zoo with simulated jungles for exotic birds, penguin and polar bear enclosures etc. It was a great place to go.

The only problen I see with the idea, is that the population centre of Townsville is moving towards Thurungowa with the massive residential developments on the Bolie plains and towards Rupertswood along the Harvey's Range rd. The development might be a bit far away at Pallaranda.

I also added a new Highway link to my Palleranda suggestion, so if that is built at the same time, then it would be reasonably easy I guess, mainly for Bushland Beach and Deeragun residents I guess.

Another proposal:
Annandale Central Stage 2
Includes:
*Kmart department store
*15 specialty stores
*250 parking spaces

thus doubling the size of the centre, and making the centre alot more interesting to me, but probably doubling my work load.

Anyone read Malcolm Weatherup's column in the Bulletin this morning? He features a fantasy of a guy named Ture Sjolander for Kissing Point:

http://www.australianicons.homestead.com/Kissing_point_of_view_2007_Jezzine.JPG

He has envisaged twin towers on Kissing Point for defence housing - floor count is at least 30. You can see his whole crazy scheme here (http://www.australianicons.homestead.com/nationalmuseumnorthqueensland.html). Anyone recognise the building? - I'm sure he didn't design it himself.

I don't know about those two towers. But I agree the Jezzine site itself is just too good to build something ordinary on it.

I'm not one of those fanatical Jezzine Alliance followers, [is that what they call themselves??]

But the serious proposal put forward by the Jezzine Alliance of a first class WW2 Pacific War museum seemed like good idea to me. Townsville was heavily involved in the WW2 Pacific war. To build a first class museum on that site next to the tunnels in the hillside might be the drawcard that Townsville is looking for to put us further onto the map.

I can see a museum with WW2 war relics retrieved from the jungles of the islands of the Pacific. Also items retreaved from the bottom of the sea. Maybe computer interactive displays of zero dogfights etc. etc. The idea has a lot of potiential.

The museum needs to be of a high enough standard that will attract international attention.

I personally believe Townsville should be pushing itself as the major cultural and trade centre of the whole Pacific region.

Two huge towers on the beach front full of defence families? Bit much of a target for me.

That building/s, looks like the one I saw in that book that was planned for the Cri (Criterion Hotel) site, I'm pretty sure it is, looks similar, but however it could just be any old building.

I personally believe Townsville should be pushing itself as the major cultural and trade centre of the whole Pacific region.I agree - I'd like to see something setup (perhaps joint with Fiji) where we establish an Emergency Coordination Centre for the South Pacific - so when cyclones/tsunami's strike in the region, we have a quick response unit up and ready to respond. We already have the ADF capabilities - we just lack the "coordination focus".

Then we can start up the cultural and trade interactions, the International Airport gets a kick along and, once we open up a dialog with the immediate region, then the rest of the Pacific is ours to take.

That's right Go Troppo, perhaps it's a bit early for Townsville to become the capital of a State of North Queensland.
However if we push for the role of a major trade and cultural coordinating centre of the South Pacific and parts of Asia [Pacific Rim] maybe then we will have a reason for those Commercial High Rises to be built in Townsville.

Pushing our city to become a major Trade port with Pacific Countries wouldn't sound bad at all, It would be an very good boost for our economy and we'd be a Regional Business Powerhouse, more Flights into the city, Increased trade, increased Construction, Increased Industry, Increased so and so, It might be a very possible thing for Townsville.

As I passed by the cutting yesterday, an old thought flashed into my head - wouldn't the carpark make a great pocket for an emergency services coordination centre?

Wrapped on three sides by immovable granite - probably 4-5 storey's high with a huge potential floor space. This would also tie in with my suggestion to make Townsville a focal point for a joint disaster coordination centre for the South Pacific.

If I get creative one day I'll try to build a mock up...

I have three different Fantasy Projects running through my Mind atm, no 1. is a 15 story Hotel on the strand , number 2 is a 14 story Mixed-use Building called St James Place (yes, I'm planning it on the site of the blue building next to St James cathedral called St James Place.

And my Third is an Extrordinary development (and it'll piss off all the Motorcross riders, bushbashers and so on who go out to Savannah), called Onnoonba Beach. It includes A Subdivision about the size of The Avenues and when completed could have a population of 10'000 people, and a Beach Strip that will have Height Restrictions to 65m, and a large shopping centre.

a 15 story Hotel on the strand...It's been an ongoing source of amazement to me that, since the Strand redevelopment, there hasn't been a rush to develop a swish resport style hotel on the Strand? Look at your opposition - Aquarius (small, cramp apartments and no restaurant), SPH (lousy view (if any)), or the CWA units ... what a choice. Yet, it would have to be one of the best views on the east coast with outstanding facilities on your doorstep (so very little a developer has to do to add value). What's the deal?

Oonoonba Beach...Interesting suggestion but I think you'll have a harder time battling council - isn't this their preferred location for the Port Access Road? Not sure a schmoozy development and ore trains/B-Double semi's are going to mix well... Oh, and then there's the nasty looking Zinc Smelter around the corner as a neighbour (and, if council has its way, soon to be Alumina Smelter also).

Nothing will ever rival Commercial Plaza on Flinders

Interesting suggestion but I think you'll have a harder time battling council - isn't this their preferred location for the Port Access Road? Not sure a schmoozy development and ore trains/B-Double semi's are going to mix well... Oh, and then there's the nasty looking Zinc Smelter around the corner as a neighbour (and, if council has its way, soon to be Alumina Smelter also).

Yes, that is the area where the port road is going, but it'll more follow the beach, abit more away from the road, Infact as part of this Fantasy plan, I would like to have a Spur road off the Port Road, and also looking at plans on Main Roads, the rail line is on the opposite side of the road to where this fantasy is going.

Last I heard, the CWA units is going to become a 6 story Unit Complex that looks like Sanctuary on Flinders, I don't know if its been approved yet.
But if my Proposal goes ahead, all the "Richies" on Yarrawonga and NIMBY's will Complain and protest it till their hearts content.

All the Motorcross Riders and Bushbashers will also protest the Onnoonba Beach one, but it'll probably be alot more worse.

Here's my vision for Townsville's new City Hall. I've never liked the current one much - very dated. :)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5649/newcityhall5vf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Last I heard, the CWA units is going to become a 6 story Unit Complex that looks like Sanctuary on Flinders, I don't know if its been approved yet.Yep I think it's the CWA site - a complex of 59 apartments has been approved for 118 The Strand. Render with Njord on the right:
http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,5054478,00.jpg

a complex of 59 apartments has been approved for 118 The StrandActually, I think you'll find that's where the ShoreDrive Motel (http://www.shoredrivemotel.com/) currently is (which is 117 The Strand). According to the WhitePages, the KISSING POINT UNITS are at 116 The Strand. It's hard to be sure, but I think the CWA units are still visible in the background.

Hah, thats a laugh, I don't think Townsville City Council will ever be big enough or so on to Have a council Chambers that Big, not enough people would be working there to accomodate a building that large, but it would be good though.

^^Maybe they can fill the building with more planning staff so they can process DA's faster :D

It's been an ongoing source of amazement to me that, since the Strand redevelopment, there hasn't been a rush to develop a swish resport style hotel on the Strand? Look at your opposition - Aquarius (small, cramp apartments and no restaurant), SPH (lousy view (if any)), or the CWA units ... what a choice. Yet, it would have to be one of the best views on the east coast with outstanding facilities on your doorstep (so very little a developer has to do to add value). What's the deal?That's a good point. I reckon developers decide they wont even bother when they find height limits along The Strand are either 3 or 4 storeys. Plus the overwhelming NIMBY we-dont-want-another-Gold-Coast opposition they know they'll receive.

How I wish Sechyelles went ahead, but the NIMBY'S had to fuck it up for all of us :mad2:

I don't think Townsville City Council will ever be big enoughUnless the two cities were to merge - then we'd need a new edifice to proudly proclaim their new identity ... another good reason to amalgomate?

^^ True, then maybe a 10 story council chambers would work.

That looks more like the Townsville City Hall where the Power Puff Girls live. :)

If it wasn't for all of those silly weirs along ross river some sort of river transport would be excellent.

During a break from studying I decided to knock this up :)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8283/emiratestownsvilles0da.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm not sure what Thompson's plans are for the Transit Centre site but I'm pretty sure they don't involve Brisbane's Emirates House (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=108524)

One day we'll see something like that. :)

Oriolus, you know what you should do....if youy have the program to do it ? Draw up all the highrises and place them in a pic of the T'ville CBD, it would look awesome ! :)

^^Would it ever! But I would need to have all the renders in the same perspective and the perspective has to match the photo I'm putting them into. Very hard to do. For me anyway.

I was originally going to stick Riparian into that photo but all the photos I had looked retarded when I stuck them in because the perspective was slightly off. Frustrating!

Didn't know where to put this but anyway.

This is the first of many parts in a series of National Highway (Bruce Highway) studies that I have been undertaking in my spare time.

University Drive is a stretch of National Highway 1 through Townsville. It starts at the Bruce highway on the intersection with Bowen Rd and Stuart Drive, and then follows the southern Residential border of the City along Annandale, and ends at the Roundabout with Yolanda Drive on the other end of Annandale.

Here's a map of the corridor with selected exit points.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/659/unimwycorr5ao.png
You can clearly see the selected exit points and the corridor selected in red.

Facts:
University Road is 4 laned and was construced in 1966 as primarily as an access road for Lavarack Barracks which opened that year, and also as the highway south for people in The central suburbs (Aitkenvale, gulliver, Vincent etc.), and for the Annandale Estate and subdivision which began in the early 70's.
It was duplicated in 1994, and it is estimated that approx 45'000-50'000 cars use the corridor each day.
speed limit is 80km/h, but however, being the "Bogan" north, the "unofficial" speed limit is 100km/h as everyone seems to do that because the Douglas arterial is 100km/h.

Current Issues:
The first stage of The future highway 1 route (Douglas Arterial Road) through town starts at the western end of the Corridor. Since it opened in April 2005, residents living along side the corridor beliee that traffic volumes have definetly increased and now has increased traffic noise going into their backyards.

With Increased growth at Fairfield Waters, influx of families living in Annandale, Growth at Riverside gardens and Condon and even increasing freight transportation into the city is also slowly increasing traffic onto the corridor.

University Drive is due for an upgrade in a few years if the increased growth continues.

Future/Gertzy's Hypothesis:
As the growth in these areas of the corridor continues, as stated before, University drive will be due for an upgrade in a few years. There would be Certain aspects that would be part of a University Drive upgrade that are already long overdue.

If an upgrade on University Drive was Imminent, I have made a list of possible criteria that would be accounted for if an upgrade were to occur.

If an Ungrade was Imminent:
Possible installation of:
*Sound Barriers for residents
*Asphalt relaying
*continued throughfare of Douglas Arterial (Including Limited Access at points such as Macarthur Drive and Stuart Drive).
*Extra Signange
*Electronic Signage and Traffic Control and monitoring devices
and possibly an extra lane each way.

Part 2 - Possible extensions (University Dr).

With the Douglas Arterial having been opened as an Extension to University Drive in April 2005. University has the space and criteria of a Dual-Carriageway Road Corridor. Dual Carriageway roads usually can also be upgraded into limited access Arterial systems. The Douglas Arterial is Limited Access, as it continues on via University Drive, It may also have the possibility of University Drive to become a limited access Motorway.

Ideas:
If This were to happen, then Main Roads would also have to do minor preliminary work to help transform it into a Limited Access Arterial.

Step 1:
Getting rid of the numerous Barracks turnoffs. There are two turnoffs to lavarack (other than Macarthur Drive that is) that has access to both Outbound and Inbound Traffic (Outbound heading towards Wulguru, and Inbound heading toward the Douglas Arterial), by only limiting it to Inbound Traffic.

Step 2:
Containing the Uni drive and ****** Street turnoff.

Step 3:
Introducing Interchanges at Macarthur and Stuart Drives With Realignment work to be done at Stuart drive, Here's some examples of Interchanges:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/67/brucehwaystuartdrvplan4ly.png
Stuart Drive Realignment and Interchange (Proposed)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2529/unimwymacdrvplan2gr.png
Macarthur Drive Proposed Interchange.

These plans can be implimented into a limited Access Upgrade of University Dr. Next series, Bruce Hwy southbound tommorrow.

Lol. Nice work Gertzy. I can almost see my house in that last shot!! :)

Yea, good work Gertzy. Are you studying to become a civil engineer? You should be, you seem to have the aptitude for it.

One of my brothers is, and designed large sections the highway upgrade between Sydney and Canberra for SMEC. He loves that work.

^^ I would actually like to study Civil Engineering at uni (but unfortunately my grades aren't to crash hot), but I do it more as a hobby than anything, but I'm really trying to achieve my lifelong dream of becoming a commercial pilot with an ATPL so i can fly for Qantas or Cathay Pacific. (but even I'm only doing Maths A).

I'll be putting in my study of the Bruce Hwy (Stuart Drv- South to about the dump) on Thursday.

There's an area next to the train station that I think woud be great for another Inner City residential/mixed use complex, so I decided to pitch a proposal.

STATION SQUARE (Pretty Unoriginal, I know, But its the only name I could think of at the time).
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/449/stationsquare9yj.png

The Project will comprise of Three or Four building between 10s and 8s, and a few smaller ones as well, with a bit of retail for the adjoining Railway Station.

Thats all the info for this time.

Gertzy - With your fantasy of expanding Annadale Central... how will you manage to fit it in? It's pretty much all residential around there so how exactly do you propose this to fit?

If it wasn't for all of those silly weirs along ross river some sort of river transport would be excellent.

Why would we want river transport?? Brisbanes CityCats irritate me. It would only cause more issues ie. rate increase for public transport, why waste money to catch a boat up the river? The weirs are here to stay, they serve their purpose... at least I hope they do.

(OMG an army helicopter hovering above my building atm... 2 actually :eek2: )

Gertzy - With your fantasy of expanding Annadale Central... how will you manage to fit it in? It's pretty much all residential around there so how exactly do you propose this to fit?
There is spare land behind the current structure, it could be expanded that way quite easily. Or it could be expanded out into the current carpark & put a new carpark built on the spare land?

I have three different Fantasy Projects running through my Mind atm, no 1. is a 15 story Hotel on the strand , number 2 is a 14 story Mixed-use Building called St James Place (yes, I'm planning it on the site of the blue building next to St James cathedral called St James Place.

And my Third is an Extrordinary development (and it'll piss off all the Motorcross riders, bushbashers and so on who go out to Savannah), called Onnoonba Beach. It includes A Subdivision about the size of The Avenues and when completed could have a population of 10'000 people, and a Beach Strip that will have Height Restrictions to 65m, and a large shopping centre.

Okay then since you are interested in expanding Townsville why not expand the airport to cope with your projects :)


PEOPLE I GIVE YOU THE UPGRADED TOWNSVILLE AIRPORT

Details First

. New Terminal able to cope with 10 million to 13 million passengers per year
. Not 2 anymore but 4 baggage claim belts 2 at either end of the terminal.
. 7 Jetways for Domestic Flights only sorry guys but plenty of room for an international area if demand rises.
. Enlarged check-in area
. Triple the amount of retail
. Two departures areas
. Enlarged Qantas Lounge
. Doubled Terminal Capacity

Now for outside Details

. Three 5 storey office towers for airline offices and other airport tenents
. Doubled Ground car park capacity and a 3 storey car park
. Airport viewing park
. Upgraded control tower to cope with demand
. Tripled tarmac capacity
. Upgraded taxiways and a 800 metre extension to runway
. 3 helipad heliport
. Larger general aviation area
. Enlarged and Upgraded military area of airport
. An Airport Hotel ( Stamford Airside Hotel )

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7763/townsvilleairportgu5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Enjoy hopefully this will attract new airlines and tourists and demand to the city.:) :)

^^ Wow, That looks awesome, but though to be honest, with any Airport upgrade atm, I'd make it up to a capacity of 5 million a year, cause the current one handles only 1.25 million people a year (2005/06).

Okay lets pretend its a long term upgrade then :)

Good work Cell.Phone, there is already a baggage carosel at the international end of the terminal, it's just that it's behind the customs desks.
:)

Well now theirs another im working on another one called Breakwater Tower more details when i post it in about an hour

Cell.Phone, you don't happen to come from Townsville by any chance?

Well now theirs another im working on another one called Breakwater Tower more details when i post it in about an hour

Okay here it is BREAKWATER TOWERS COMPLEX

Full Details

. 24 storeys high
. 110 meters
. Shopping Mall on floors G, 1, 2 and 3 (98 specialty stores, 2 Major chain stores, 3 Mini Majors store and a 5 screen Cinema and foodcourt)
. 79 1st grade apartments all with city views
. 20 Hotel Rooms ( Floors 5, 6, 7 and 8 )
. 2 Marina view restaurants on Floor 4
. 250 above ground car park spaces for shoppers and visitors
. 220 underground car parking spaces
. 2 taxi drop off and pick up zones and 4 bus stops
. Capacity for 200 to 300 people ( if im calculating correctly )
. Room for a second tower if needed

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8109/breakwatertowerui8.png (http://imageshack.us)

Enjoy :)






Enjoy :)

Cell.Phone, you don't happen to come from Townsville by any chance?


Go up their about every month i know the area well and im interested in the groth of the city :)

What brings you to Townsville if you don't mind me asking? :)

Fathers work i sometimes go up their with him i was probably over doing it saying every month lol he goes to mackay and occasionally townsville for a day or two and sometimes i'll go up with him sometimes because my father is an engineer and im just glancing at the opportunity of becoming one. i'v only just began to start going up their. Nice area :)

Why you ask??

Just wondering, no reason really. :)

Just wondering, no reason really. :)

Lol Okay

Another project ( I have alot of spare time don't i lol )

Airport Buissness Centre 1 ( and 2 )

This is part of the upgrade of the new airport i designed last page

This is 2 of the 4 office towers going up opposite the terminal and car park.

the other 2 towers look the same btw

Full Details

. Enough room for 1000 jobs
. 39 metres high
. Two towers
. 150 car parking spaces
. 90 underground car parking spaces
. Two bus stops and a taxi and charterd car drop off zone

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/161/airportbuissnesscentre1ov1.png (http://imageshack.us)

^^ ^^ :)

Wow, both the projects are awesome, especially the Breakwater one, I can see the prospects for business opportunities at the airport, but think Cairns has already taken the admin side of things for both Qantas and Virgin in North Queensland, Maybe a Hotel and an office tower.

But it is an awesome project though.

I have a pipe dream, with my last few trips into the city involving travelling down Abbott Street during peak hour (around 4pm both times) and even travelling to the city in heavy traffic at around lunch time. You just can't help yourself but travel over rooneys and notice how close both directions of traffic are apart from each other, and just noticing it is kinda scary and the last few times i've noticed it has sent shivers down my spine in the thought of a head on collision.

You also happen to notice how bloody busy it gets and wonder how the people who live on abbott street put up with it. Thats when i came up with this.

ABBOTT STREET MOTORWAY: Part 1.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8859/rooneysbridgela7.png

Details:
*Alignment and Duplication of Rooney's Bridge (Traffic bridge)
*Construction of 4 new Bridges and demolition of existing road bridge. (Two Road bridges to overpass railway line and pedestrian path, two to cross over the river)
*Complies with the Townsville-Thuringowa Intergrated Regional Transport Plan.
*The overall road project will be 4 lanes, but however, at rooney's bridge, it'll have provisions for 6 lanes to support future traffic growth.
*Traffic will be divided by a 2m wide central reservation with two trenton barriers within the median (central reservation) strip, along with a trenton barrier along side both directions.

Details about the overall Abbott street Motorway will be provided tommorrow.

I think you'll find that the government have already been thinking along these lines. I've seen detailed drawings to do exactly what you've outlined including realigning Abbott Street to be west of the Railway Line.

I've struggled to find a reference, but if you look at the attached IAS (http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/tpSite.nsf/ReferenceLookup/Planning%20Context.pdf/$file/Planning%20Context.pdf) (page 22) you can see a swag of options presented for Port Access. A number of these involve moving Abbott St to the other side of the railway line.

Why? Well, most plans have the railway to the port branching off at Oonoonba - which would mean having to cross Abbott St twice. However, if they move the traffic off Abbott St and then terminate it at the end of Oonoonba, then most of the plans are viable.

^^ Yeah, thats what i've meant with it complies with the Townsville-Thuringowa Intergrated regional transport plan, but i think that the planned re-alignment isn't motorway, but will be dual-carriageway.

I've always thought 21 Stokes Street would look good if it was much taller. And even better if they gave the plants in the windows a little TLC. Also, I'm still dirty at Ergon for abandoning the CBD for Garbutt. :)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5882/21stokesbigspi5.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21stokesbigspi5.jpg)

Lol, yeah it does look better if it were like that, never really thought of it that way. At least now it has a new lease on life, as Maunsell Aecom has taken over all five floors of the building, before that, it was only the doctors and Atsic/ICC in the Building, but however, ICC has moved into a building with other government departments (Stanley Place) and so it was vacant for a few months, besides the doctors of course.

So the geographic location of our CBD in relation to the majority of the population is really bad, at the far north-eastern corner of the urban area - central by name by definately not by nature. I guess I can't really blame John Melton Black, he probably didn't envisage Townsville every growing to 160, 000+, but its only going to get worse as urban sprawl expands across the Bohle Plains. So what to do? The answer I think is:

A satellite city out to sea!!!!!!!:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9058/clevelandislandmaplr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I haven't thought this through too carefully, but I'm planning for Cleveland Island to be reclaimed out of Cleveland Bay to house...maybe 120,000 people. The population density should be highest on the peninsula sticking out to the north, with apartments up to about 10 storeys high. They'll be a high frequency ferry service from the tip of that peninsula to the mainland (Flinders St terminal). The bridge that I've put in can connect with the Eastern Port Access Corridor. How many billions of dollars you reckon I'd need to make that happen :lol:

Maybe it'd just be chaper to move the airport and build there? Could be cheaper!

I believe, Billions on Billions of dollars would be needed for that to go ahead. But i have a plan for the Northern Beaches - Picnic Bay Motorway, via the new Townsville/Thuringowa International Airport on a man made island between Pallaranda and Picnic Bay (Magnetic Island).

A new entrance to the airport, hate the new entrance to the airport, go past lots of old run down house, not a good imperssion for peoples 1st time at townsville

^^

Yeah I agree. It definitely needs some work. It will be difficult though, as the RAAF are on the land that would be best for a new entry road. This is the best I could think of.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1746/tairport3bf2.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tairport3bf2.jpg)

Plenty of opportunities for development sites, and it would be good to allow for a future rail link of some kind, especially as the current Northern rail line is so close.

I Really like that design, I would also put signage over the road, a bit like cairns airport, I really like how cairns have designed there airport, I would also put lots of forna accross each side of the road to make it more appealing

Or you know what would be great if they could move the airport down near bushland beach,
a-doesnt affect hight limits (unlike cairns)
b-doesnt affect residents as they could change the flight paths to land coming from ingham
c-better layout alltogether
d-has motorway passing it
[Similar to collangatta airport layout wise]

Heres a little peice of art work or my prediction of the Townsville Skyline in the near future.
Really all I did was rise all the small buildings in this photo. But hope this gives you an Idea.
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a459/slimsticky2010/Townsville%20Skyline/FutureTSVCBD.jpg