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sts
January 11th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Hi greek friends,I'm looking for some pics of the new greek highways,'couse I've noticed that there's so many highway under construction all over Greece,so can you help me,please??Thank you!!

zafiris
January 11th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Check this for Athens
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=157861&highlight=athens

And this road which will connect Italy-Greece (by ferry) in video
http://www.egnatiaodos.officegate.gr/audio-video/egnatia_en.wmv

In exchange I would like to see the new road tunnels in Rome.

sts
January 11th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Thanx zafiris!!
Here some pics of the new roman tunnel called Giovanni XIII:

http://************/16mjcy

http://************/16mjh2

http://************/16mjhj

Christos7
January 11th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Here are some pictures of a few of the new highways in Athens sts!



http://www.epoalaa.gr/Erga/Attiki61b.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4e_K_Agias_Paraskevis.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4d_Perifereiaki_Imitou.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4b_Diodia_Katexaki.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4c_K_Papagou.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2b_Skepasto_Irakleiou.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2e_K_L_Pentelis.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2g_K_L_Marathonos.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3b_K_Kantzas.jpg

http://www.athens2004.com/Images/Multimedia/images/10MayAtOdosKantzas_p.jpg

http://www.athens2004.com/Images/Multimedia/images/10MayAtOdosKimis_p.jpg

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2a_K_Athinon_Lamias.jpg

http://www.athens2004.com/images/Multimedia/images/04222_001b.jpg

Christos7
January 11th, 2005, 05:02 PM
http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/254.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/612.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/613.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/614.jpg

sts
January 12th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Those pics are amazing!!,thank you Christos7!!!!

Christos7
January 12th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Does anybody have NEW pictures of the junctions and completed highways in Piraeus along the coast? I have pics where it is not completely finished, anybody have any?


That is another huge highway project that went on.

LtBk
January 18th, 2005, 12:31 AM
So how many highways in Greece are in construction? And does anybody have an updated map of Greek highways?

Giorgio
January 18th, 2005, 03:16 PM
why is everyone so interested in this?

Wizard04
January 23rd, 2005, 04:09 AM
Καλά πείτε τους τώρα ότι δίνουμε 5 Ευρώ για να μπούμε και να βγούμε από την Αττική οδό να πάθουνε συγκοπή.. lol

Skaros
January 26th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Peloponnese , Patras ring road (18 km , construction 2001)
http://www.in-greece.de/pics/g_1065187910_Patras.jpg

Egnatia Highway
Connecting Epirus , Macedonia and Thrace (total 680 Km , by the end of 2004 480 finished)
http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/vaxes/1.jpg
http://www.structurae.net/files/photos/1821/egnatiaodos1.jpg
http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/art/art04/0504feat5.jpg

sts
January 27th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Great work skaros,do you have more pics??

Christos7
January 27th, 2005, 03:48 AM
My Italian friend sts, here are some more pics for you!



http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/diodeyt620.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/egnat1517.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/pthedionkat107.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/pathe225.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/pathe708.jpg

http://www.aegek.gr/projects_b/EGNATIA424%20E.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/gefhalk129.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/gefhalk5222.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/attods01109_040203.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/construction/images/limigoumenitsa_1910.jpg


Rion Antirion Bridge :cheers:


During Construction

http://webpages.charter.net/g.vassilakos/rion-antirion/bridge1.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/g.vassilakos/rion-antirion/bridge3.jpg


http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/rion/images/497_50eee.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/rion/images/494_67.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/rion/images/81fv8086.jpg

http://www.athens2004.com/Images/Legacy/torchrelay/Image%20Gallery/1943088b.jpg

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/rion/images/gef_47056.jpg

Christos7
January 27th, 2005, 03:48 AM
Some info on the Egnatia Highway


http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/time.jpg

A modern closed motorway 680 kilometres long and 24.5 metres wide over the greatest part of its length following a new alignment and running across Epirus and Northern Greece from Igoumenitsa to Evros, the Egnatia Motorway is one of the largest road construction projects in Europe.

Nine major vertical axes connect the motorway with Albania , FYROM, Bulgaria and Turkey . Furthermore, 5 ports and 6 airports service the road.

A raft of tunnels, bridges and interchanges carry it across the Greek countryside.

On the threshold of the 21st century, one of the largest road construction projects being carried out in Greece (and, indeed, anywhere in Europe ) is the Egnatia Motorway, the modern reincarnation of the great Roman highway known as the Via Egnatia.

The 680 km Egnatia Motorway is a modern motorway that will probably be the only road (and by extension the only transport) link spanning Northern Greece from its western to its eastern border. From its starting-point at Igoumenitsa, it runs across the Prefectures of Thesprotia, Ioannina, Grevena, Kozani, Imathia, Thessaloniki , Serres, Kavala, Xanthi, Rodopi and Evros, to the village of Kipoi on the Turkish border.

Nine major vertical axes provide links to Albania , FYROM, Bulgaria and Turkey , and the whole system is served by 720 km of service roads.

The Egnatia Motorway was designed to the specifications of the Trans-European road network. It is a closed dual carriageway motorway with a central reserve, two traffic lanes plus an emergency lane per direction, for a total paved width of 24.5 metres over its greatest part, except for the road's mountainous sections.

What makes it one of the most interesting technical projects in Greece today is the number of structures needed to carry it across the countryside.

The realisation of this motorway requires the construction of:

1650 bridges, with a combined length of 40 km (or 80 km measured as single-carriageway bridges)

74 tunnels, with a combined length of 49,5 km (or 99 km measured as single-carriageway tunnels). Three of these tunnels are more than 3 km long: the Driskos Twin-Bore Tunnel, 4.7 km long per carriageway, the Dodoni Twin-Bore Tunnel, 3.4 km long per carriageway, and the Metsovo Single-Bore Tunnel, 3.5 km long, which is already constructed. The tunnels on the inland alignment Strymonas - Peramos are also included.

50 interchanges with the existing road network.

43 river crossings

11 railway crossings.


STRETCHING: From Igoumenitsa in the Prefecture of Thesprotia to Kipoi in the Prefecture of Evros

FOR A TOTAL LENGTH OF: 680 kilometres

SERVING THE REGIONS OF: Thesprotia - Ioannina - Grevena - Kozani - Imathia - Thessaloniki - Kavala - Xanthi - Rodopi - Evros

LINKED WITH THE BORDERS OF: Albania - FYROM - Bulgaria - Turkey, through nine major vertical axes

PASSING THROUGH THE TOWNS OF: Igoumenitsa - Ioannina - Metsovo - Grevena - Kozani - Veroia - Thessaloniki - Kavala - Xanthi - Komotini – Alexandroupolis

LINKED TO THE PORTS OF: Igoumenitsa - Thessaloniki - Kavala – Alexandroupolis

AND THE AIRPORTS OF: Ioannina - Kastoria - Kozani - Thessaloniki - Kavala – Alexandroupolis

PASSING NEAR: 332 communities

AND: 30 tourist areas and regions of particular interest

SERVING THE INDUSTRIAL ZONES OF: Ioannina - Florina - Edessa - Thessaloniki - Kilkis - Serres - Drama - Xanthi - Komotini - Alexandroupolis, either directly or by its vertical axes

PROPOSING AND FINANCING: Archaeological excavations, protection of monuments, environmental protection works (biotopes, etc.)

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Dual carriageway with two traffic lanes per direction, a central reserve and an emergency lane on the right.

THE AREA SERVED ACCOUNTS FOR:

36% of the country's total population
33% of its total gross national product
In the primary sector, 54% of total farmland and 65% of total irrigated land
In the secondary sector, 41% of total industrial employment, and
51% of total mining activity.

Prometheus
January 27th, 2005, 08:52 AM
PATHE (PATRA - ATHENS - THESSALONIKI - EVZONI) motorway

http://www.louisberger-france.com/projets/pathe2-grece.jpg


http://www.minenv.gr/4/45/4504/00/l4504012.jpg
http://www.minenv.gr/4/45/4504/00/l4504013.jpg

Skaros
January 27th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Thank you sts.
Some more photos
Patras ring road , North Peloponnese

http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/2-02.jpg
http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/2-01.jpg

Patras -Olympia national road
no barrier in the middle , around 10-12m width , old and bad design with many intersections on the same level of the road (main reason for the many accidents happening there every year)
But perhaps there is hope since it is announced that the next two years will begin the reconstruction of the national road Korinthos-Patras-Olympia after which this old road will change to a modern Motorway.
I will come back with more photos and details from the forgotten from the state the last 20 years (at least) Peloponnese and the road network which is totally inadequate for today.

http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/3-01.jpg
http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/3-02.jpg

Skaros
January 27th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Some more from Peloponnisos road network:

Korinthos -Tripolis highway (Complited 10-15 years ago)

Near Tripolis
http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/photos/places/tripoli/trip96.jpg
Artemissio Tunnel (1.8km)
http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/photos/places/tripoli/arka65.jpg
http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/photos/places/tripoli/trip104.jpg

Singidunum
January 27th, 2005, 03:13 PM
even though it will be very expencive you need to construct highway over those continental mountains to connect aegean and ionian sea.

Wicky
January 27th, 2005, 11:55 PM
Wow, this Egnatia highway project is impressive, but demanding - since a lot of countryside is hilly, the estacades and tunnels are necessity. Well, some countries with similar terrain are dealing with the same realities :).

sts
January 28th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Thanks a lot,my dear greek friends,good jobs,special thanx to Christos7 and skaros!!Now Greece has the most modern highways of all Europe!!Egnatia is a great and really difficoult project,congrats!!!!!That's the NEW Europe!!

Skaros
February 19th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Peloponnese Road Network
Part of the highway Tripolis- Kalamata (76km)
Under construction (big delays due to unstable ground problems at the mountains after Tripolis)
http://www.efklidis.gr/photos/tsakona.jpg

PATHE highway
Part of the Athens-Thessaloniki highway near Almyros
http://www.efklidis.gr/photos/almyrosb.jpg

Geroplatanos
July 10th, 2005, 02:03 AM
Some photos from Egnatia highway and Athens-Thessaloniki highway...

Athens -Thessaloniki highway , just before the junction with Egnatia
http://www.airliners.gr/community/album_pic.php?pic_id=3803

Egnatia - Vermio Tunnel (2,2 Km)
http://www.airliners.gr/community/album_pic.php?pic_id=3811

http://www.airliners.gr/community/album_pic.php?pic_id=3805

http://www.airliners.gr/community/album_pic.php?pic_id=3808

egnatia , kouloura-polymylos
http://www.airliners.gr/community/album_pic.php?pic_id=3807

Geroplatanos
July 10th, 2005, 06:12 PM
το κομμάτι αυτό της εγνατίας είναι πραγματικά εντυπωσιακό με συνεχείς εναλλαγές από σήρραγες και κοιλαδογέφυρες !!!

GrigorisSokratis
July 11th, 2005, 05:29 AM
There's also a project for a future Highway at the Ionian namely it's called Ionia Odos (Ionian Highway). This highway will run across western Greece from Kalamata to Igoumenitsa.

thus adding some 500 more kms to the network. Also this road is going to be connected to the already under construction Egnatia. Adding to all these, there're the aforementioned PATHE, and Tripoli-Kalamata roads as well as a central Greece road project which will run from Lamia to Karditsa.

Having all these on mind, we can consider the idea that Greece in a few years will become a real crossroads country in Europe.

Who knows what will come after all these works are concluded, maybe a next generation of public works...who knows I'd bet that a bridge or even a second EUROTUNNEL connecting Greece to Italy would be a great investment. But will have to wait after 2012 for such a project since that's the target year for the conclussion of the current works and projects.

Christos7
March 13th, 2006, 09:56 PM
We use to have a topic for this but it seems after a while they get deleted, and we have lost all the pictures. So, this is a new topic for it.


If you have any pictures of Greek Highways please post them here. In particular the Egnatia Odos and the Attiki Odos. If you have any pictures saved, or find any new ones please post them in this topic (preferrebly labeling which highway it is). It's to bad we lost all the others....


And even for future works maybe we can keep information here. We know the Egnatia Odos (Northern Greece) is nearing completion and others will start (Ionia Odos etc)


I will try to post some pics later, but if you have any please share them with us.

LEAFS FANATIC
March 13th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Great idea Christos!

Here is what I can add for now. These are not labeled but they represent some of the larger avenues and highways found in various parts of Greece:

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1636.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1639.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1691.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1693.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/765.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/327.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/756.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1444.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1445.jpg

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo1/1446.jpg


http://www.ert.gr/aerialphoto/photos/big_new/gefires/gefires_12.jpg


http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22633/29410/354983/0/Athens+-+View+from+Hymettus+-+Hymettus+ring+2+compact.jpg



http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4e_K_Agias_Paraskevis.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4d_Perifereiaki_Imitou.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4b_Diodia_Katexaki.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4c_K_Papagou.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2b_Skepasto_Irakleiou.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2e_K_L_Pentelis.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2g_K_L_Marathonos.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3b_K_Kantzas.jpg


http://www.athens2004.com/Images/Multimedia/images/10MayAtOdosKimis_p.jpg


http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2a_K_Athinon_Lamias.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/254.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/612.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/613.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/614.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/996.jpg


http://www.airphotos.gr/photo/997.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture/Google-PhaleronBayView.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture/PalaionPhaleronPosseidonosJunction1.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture/PalaionPhaleronPosseidonosJunction2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture/PalaionPhaleron2PosseidonosOlympicI.jpg


http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22632/24691/295849/0/Attiki+Odos-Holiday+Inn+Junction.jpg

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22632/24691/295834/0/Duchess+Placentia+Station+3-+Main+Concourse.jpg


http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22632/24691/295853/0/Athens+Airport+-+Departures+Level.JPG

sk
March 13th, 2006, 10:53 PM
apla wow!katapliktikes fotografies!!!

skylinearth
March 13th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Here some photos from the Egnatia Highway:
http://www.qualitymediapress.com/qmp_ENG/images/Patrocinador_EgnatiaOdos_en.jpg

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/egnatia/images/6_PH1.jpg

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/egnatia/images/5_KAVALA3.jpg

http://www.ibl.uni-stuttgart.de/02institut/html/exkursionen/institutsexkursionen/2003_gr/bilder/bild01.jpg

http://www.images-words.com/greece/pictures/f14d.jpg

http://www.summitreports.com/greece2004/pictures/f12a.jpg

http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/photos/done/kavala_xaradrogefyra.jpg

http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/photos/done/komvos_lagkada.jpg

http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/photos/done/gefyra_mesobouniou.jpg

http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/photos/done/asprobalta_strimonas.jpg

http://www.aegek.gr/aegekphotos_3/projects_b/egnatia4.2.4_2_b.jpg

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/egnatia/images/2_SIATGREV.jpg

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/egnatia/index.html#egnatia4

Thessaloniki:

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8421/road17cy.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7548/shoppingmallthessalonikiert6fe.jpg

Giorgio
March 14th, 2006, 02:02 AM
Nice thread, I thought I had made one a few months ago? I will get my pics from there.

Giorgio
March 14th, 2006, 02:05 AM
Oh, that thread was about Athens Freeways. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=300911

http://www.athens2004.gr/Images/Multimedia/images/RoadDoukPlakentias2_p.jpg

http://www.athens2004.gr/Images/Multimedia/images/RoadDoukPlakentias1_p.jpg

http://www.theodora.com/wfb/photos/greece/athens_freeway_greece_ert.jpg

Giorgio
March 14th, 2006, 02:07 AM
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8904/ringat1tf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9184/air1ki.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4019/junc3db.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2347/sleek5rn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9249/star8cc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Geroplatanos
March 14th, 2006, 01:12 PM
We use to have a topic for this but it seems after a while they get deleted, and we have lost all the pictures. So, this is a new topic for it.


If you have any pictures of Greek Highways please post them here. In particular the Egnatia Odos and the Attiki Odos. If you have any pictures saved, or find any new ones please post them in this topic (preferrebly labeling which highway it is). It's to bad we lost all the others....


And even for future works maybe we can keep information here. We know the Egnatia Odos (Northern Greece) is nearing completion and others will start (Ionia Odos etc)


I will try to post some pics later, but if you have any please share them with us.


Χρήστο σωστά τα λες , καλό θα ήταν όμως να ακολουθηθεί ο τρόπος που προτείνεις.
Επίσης ας γίνει μια προσπάθεια να παρουσιάζονται σχετικά καλής ποιότητας φωτογραφίες (αν δεν υπάρχουν καλύτερα να μην δημοσιεύονται καθόλου ) . π.χ.
Πολύ μικρές φωτογραφίες δε δείχνουν τίποτα.
Η για παράδειγμα η παρακάτω φωτογραφία :

http://www.thpa.gr/images/Nea/OLTH_PYLI16_aerophoto.jpg

Μάλλον άθλια θα την χαρακτήριζα ενός παρακμιακού βιομηχανικού τοπίου παρά εικόνα της εγνατίας οδού...


Όταν προχωρήσει η δημιουργία του υπο-φόρουμ για την Αθήνα θα απεμπλακεί και το thread από την ατέρμονη επανάλειψη φωτογραφιών της αττικής οδού (του μόνου πραγματικά ευρωπαϊκού αυτοκινητόδρομου στην Ελλάδα ) , τις οποίες έχουμε ξαναδεί (τουλάχιστον όσοι είναι λίγο πιο παλιοί στο φόρουμ ) πάνω από 10 φορές.
Δυστυχώς και αν εξαιρέσουμε την εγνατία το υπόλοιπο οδικό δίκτυο είναι σε μαύρα χάλια και μάλλον θα στερέψουν γρήγορα τα posts γιατί πολύ απλά ολόκληρα κομμάτια της χώρας μας στερούνται αυτοκινητοδρόμων..κρίμα .. αλλά αυτή είναι η πραγματικότητα...

Zorba
March 15th, 2006, 03:33 AM
lol. You can see my future college in this picture(American College of Greece).

The track on the right side of the photo. :)
http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4e_K_Agias_Paraskevis.jpg

Rev
March 16th, 2006, 05:56 AM
Lovely

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
March 16th, 2006, 06:10 PM
Ρε παιδιά έχει βρει κανείς καμία αεροφωτογραφία με τον κόμβο στο Σ.Ε.Φ – Ποσειδώνος ολοκληρωμένο; Θυμάμαι πριν καιρό το είχα ψάξει εκτενέστατα αλλά δεν βρήκα τίποτα.

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/264181

cosmos
March 17th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Greek road network has developed last years, but still remains one of the worst in European Union. Unfortunately the truth is that our road network cannot be considered as a safe European road network. Although last years developments have raised roads level and we hope that this will go on faster and faster bec we really need it!

I show some of my personal pics around Greek highways which I took as a driver. Thank god no cop cought me taking pictures and driving at the same time :)

All pictures are taken last 12 months

Thessaloniki-Athens motorway. Some parts are still under construction, some parts are still under planning to be a motorway (about 100 km of 500 km which is the whole length of the road)

Close to Thessaloniki
[IMG]http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8631/pathe19yr.jpg

Close to Katerini (Olympus mountain)
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2996/pathe21ka.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4100/pathe36ev.jpg

Close to Volos
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5264/tnath850476ly.jpg

Maliakos gulf region (one of the most dangerous parts of the road) Some parts are under construction, some under planning to be a motorway, and some are already a motorway.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8821/ath850249bh.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1329/tnath850376ok.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2344/tn12nf.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7185/tnath850428pg.jpg

Close to Athens (Malakasa)
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7772/tnath850263jz.jpg

Egnatia Motorway. 650 km motorway from Igoumenitsa port in Ionian sea to Greek Turkish border. Some parts are still under construction, a lot of parts are already a motorway and some small parts are under planning to be.

Close to Grevena town
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6807/tntuh0980hw.jpg

Close to Veria (Kastania passing)
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6237/egn61ta.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9722/egn72fl.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7111/egn89tq.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3568/tn28100223rz.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7615/tn28100236vb.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3805/tn28100257we.jpg

Close to Veria city
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3466/egn13gz.jpg

Close to Thessaloniki (Koronia lake)
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9853/egn29gi.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2717/egn32xn.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9351/egn45io.jpg

Between Thessaloniki and Kavala (Asprovalta region)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3109/tntrk0122yk.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1605/tntrk0138hs.jpg

Close to Komotini under snowfall
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1396/tnas1245vy.jpg

Close to Greek-turkish border under snowfall
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8899/tnas1217jd.jpg

Other roads:

Rio Antirrio bridge passing
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2376/rio10ku.jpg

Rio Antirrio Bridge
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/193/rio20ho.jpg

Kozani-Larisa road in Western Macedonia. This is the bridge of Aliakmonas lake
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6447/tn28100184nw.jpg

Kozani-Ptolemaida road in Western Macedonia
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5196/tn1120045bt.jpg

Ptolemaida-Florina road in Western Macedonia
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2039/tn1120798pn.jpg

Thessaloniki-Serres road (under planning to be a motorway)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1381/ser14jn.jpg

Orestiada-Alexandroupoli road in Evros region
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1194/tnas1071mb.jpg

Attiki odos in Athens
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4599/tnathapril0101fg.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5950/tnathapril0189ai.jpg

...and smth different, a mountain little road in Grevena region
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7294/gr0hh.jpg

LEAFS FANATIC
March 17th, 2006, 02:55 PM
^^

Awesome pictures cosmos!

Thanks for the contribution!

messiah
March 17th, 2006, 03:47 PM
I would die for rio antirio bridge!! Looks so sexy!

gm2263
March 17th, 2006, 05:45 PM
THANK YOU ALL X 1000 FOR YOUR AMAZING PHOTOS!!!
:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

LEAFS FANATIC
March 17th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Κόμβος Μάνδρας

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_1a_K_Mandras.jpg


Κόμβος Μαγούλας

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_1b_K_Magoulas.jpg


Μετωπικός Σταθμός Διοδίων Ρουπακίου

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_1c_Diodia_Roupakiou.jpg


Κόμβος Περιφερειακής Αιγάλεω

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_1g_K_Perifer_Aigale.jpg


Σήραγγα Μαύρης Ωρας

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_1f_Siraga_Mauris_Oras.jpg



Κόμβος Λ. Μαραθώνος

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2g_K_L_Marathonos.jpg



Κόμβος Λ. Δουκίσσης Πλακεντίας

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_2f_K_L_DoukisisPlakentias.jpg


ΣΕΑ Παλλήνης

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3c_SEA_Pallinis.jpg


Κέντρο Ελέγχου & Συντήρησης Αττικής Οδού

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3d_Kentro_Elegxou_Sintirisi.jpg


Κόμβος Κάντζας

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3b_K_Kantzas.jpg



Κόμβος Αεροδρομίου

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_3g_K_Aerodromiou.jpg



Κόμβος Κατεχάκη

http://www.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20040524/medium/pegasus_m_4a_K_Katexaki.jpg

Christos7
March 17th, 2006, 08:21 PM
mpravo paidia!!! :cheers:

Keep it up!!



Greek road network has developed last years, but still remains one of the worst in European Union. Unfortunately the truth is that our road network cannot be considered as a safe European road network. Although last years developments have raised roads level and we hope that this will go on faster and faster bec we really need it!


I agree. But I think the key here is just time. Everything is under construction and the highway newwork of Greece is finally starting to appear and grow rapidly. By 2012 I think we will be on the same level as any other EU country, and by 2020 we will probably surpass the majority of them.


I mean for example, some info for our non-Greek friends, the Egnatia Highway is a huge operation and is vital to the safety/economy of Greece, especially linking to all of your neighboring countries. This is finally almost done and in the next 2 years should be completely done.


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9023/123458mz.jpg


Then ofcourse the other bigger construction was the Attiki Highway

http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/attiki_odos/images/image-4.jpg


which has improved the Attica area tremendously, helping the city of Athens, and linking the Airport bypassing Athens down to Corinth. These two projects alone have lifted us and effect a great deal of the population and activity.


Then you have the PATHE Highway

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9991/pathe2grece3eb.jpg

Patra-Athens-Thessaloniki-Evzoni, which is under construction, with some parts open, some parts not yet, but hopefully within the next years that will be finished also and then we have a very good and safe highway network. So things are definately improving.


For future plans, we also have the Ionian Highway of western Greece, linking all of western Greece (Ioannina down to Riou-Antiriou bridge down to Kalamata).

Ionia Odos (in red)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9990/1el12a9iq.gif



and a cool video on the Egnatia:

http://www.egnatiaodos.officegate.gr/audio-video/egnatia_en.wmv

cosmos
March 17th, 2006, 09:19 PM
mpravo paidia!!! :cheers:

Keep it up!!






I agree. But I think the key here is just time. Everything is under construction and the highway newwork of Greece is finally starting to appear and grow rapidly. By 2012 I think we will be on the same level as any other EU country, and by 2020 we will probably surpass the majority of them.




Thank you my fellow :cheers:

but... plz allow me not to be as positive as you. Especially for Pathe motorway which has a lot of parts still even not under construction. It is unacceptable for me to wait at least 6 more years to see at least a safe road in Tempi, Platamonas or Korinthos-Patra part.

Also Ionian motorway still has a looooooot way to run until we can use it. In the meantime i would suggest a small tour from Antirrio to Ioannina, one of the most dangerous roads of Greece to feel the fear!

I'm sorry being so strict but I am a real road lover, I travel a lot around Greece and it really pisses me off realizing that Greek road network is still in a bad situation.

Of course I should admit that last 10 years we have a lot of development and it seems like ministry of public constructions has the intention to speed up and start all the new projects which are SO necessary!

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
March 17th, 2006, 11:24 PM
[IMG] Greek road network has developed last years, but still remains one of the worst in European Union.
Ι thing you exaggerate.EU has 25 countries,i would hardly believe that for example the countries of the ex-eastern bloc (at least the majority ) have better roads than Hellas. If we are talking about the old EU ( 15 ) ... well then i can understand that.

Unfortunately the truth is that our road network cannot be considered as a safe European road network.
It cannot be considered as a safe road network based on what?
Roads? I have visited the whole country ( except the South Peloponisos ) with car/bus and i didn't felt unsafe at all. In a smaller scale yes,esp. in the mountainous area.
If we are talking about the drivers,then yes. The Hellenes drivers are one the worst in Europe not only in EU ( based on statics ).
Ιn conclusion and IMO 3 are the things who are responsible for this situation.

A ) The corruption of the politicians,they have the money for the roads but they aren't doing their job right.

B ) We ( the citizens ),although we know that the politicians they didn't do their job right we continue electing them.

C ) We ( citizens-drivers ),although we don't know how to drive,although we spread the terror in the streats with our cars,we still believe that the big guilty ( and the only one ) for all these is the state.

NMBS1
March 18th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Some of those roads look fantastic! By the way, what's the status of those fairly tall buildings around the Holiday Inn (a few pictures above) that appear to be under construction? Are they office buildings? Does someone have pics or info?

Christos7
March 18th, 2006, 01:06 AM
Thank you my fellow :cheers:

but... plz allow me not to be as positive as you. Especially for Pathe motorway which has a lot of parts still even not under construction. It is unacceptable for me to wait at least 6 more years to see at least a safe road in Tempi, Platamonas or Korinthos-Patra part.

Also Ionian motorway still has a looooooot way to run until we can use it. In the meantime i would suggest a small tour from Antirrio to Ioannina, one of the most dangerous roads of Greece to feel the fear!

I'm sorry being so strict but I am a real road lover, I travel a lot around Greece and it really pisses me off realizing that Greek road network is still in a bad situation.

Of course I should admit that last 10 years we have a lot of development and it seems like ministry of public constructions has the intention to speed up and start all the new projects which are SO necessary!


As I said though file, everything takes time. For all of Greece to get new highways all to be linked takes many years. The PATHE Highway has some bad parts which are taking alot of time, but they are also very technical. Same with Egnatia Odos, some places are very technical and take longer, but the majority is finished and it will be completed by 2008. I understand the negative view (especially because of stupid politicians), but we can see the works happening and the highways coming to reality, in a few years the situation will be great. Maybe we have to wait longer, but in just a few years we will have Egnatia-Pathe-Attiki with constructions going on in Peloponnesos and Ionia Odos. I can't help but be positive. :)

btw, again great job for the pictures, thanks for sharing. :okay:

Christos7
March 18th, 2006, 02:40 AM
2012? :)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3505/greece59ps.gif


I made it myself. :lol:

Giorgio
March 18th, 2006, 02:43 AM
good job! :lol:

Christos7
March 18th, 2006, 03:07 AM
a) o map den tin deixnei tin Kriti ( http://www.europeonrail.com/pics/maps/Greece.gif )

b) I didnt even notice. :sly: This better? :rock:

Giorgio
March 18th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Anyway, whats the road that will go to Istanbul?

Christos7
March 18th, 2006, 03:18 AM
that is the Egnatia Odos (black) Giorgo, it goes from Igoumenitsa all across Epiros-Makedonia-Thraki connecting to the Turkish border, which I believe they have or are constructing (?) a highway linking it to Istanbul

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
March 18th, 2006, 03:44 AM
Christo take a look

http://www.epoalaa.gr/imap_el/default.aspx

*Διόρθωση* Κάνε κλικ στo "ΒΟΑ Κρήτης"

Πράγματι δεν ξέρω τι κατασκευάζετε αυτήν την στιγμή στον Βόρειο Οδεικό Άξονα. Αυτό που ξέρω με σιγουριά είναι ότι εδώ και 2 χρόνια κατασκευάζετε ένας νέος κόμβος ( Ατσιπόπουλο ) στην είσοδο της πόλης του Ρεθύμνου στα πλαίσια του Β.Ο.Α. Τώρα λογικά πρέπει να είναι έτοιμος.

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
March 18th, 2006, 03:47 AM
I delete the off-topics comments and sorry Giorgo for my tone.

Giorgio
March 18th, 2006, 03:52 AM
ok. Greek roads have a very good future! :okay:

cosmos
March 18th, 2006, 08:48 AM
Φίλε Κωνσταντινούπολις συγγνώμη αλλά εξακολουθώ να πιστεύω ότι ειδικά στο θέμα της ασφάλειας υπάρχουν εκτεταμένα κομμάτια του ΕΘΝΙΚΟΥ παρακαλώ δικτύου που βρίσκεται σε απαράδεκτο επίπεδο ασφάλειας και μάλιστα με προοπτική να γίνουν αυτοκινητόδρομοι το νωρίτερο μετά από 6 χρόνια. Τέτοια είναι το ΔΟΛΟΦΟΝΙΚΟ τμήμα Ρίο-Κόρινθος, το περίφημο πέταλο του Μαλιακού ( το οποίο κατασκευάζεται το μισό προς το παρόν και το υπόλοιπο περιμένει το διαγωνισμό και για το οποίο δεν θα κατασκευαστεί ζεύξη επειδή έτσι ήθελα οι "τοπικοί παράγοντες" της Λαμίας, η δολοφονική διάβαση Τεμπών (θα θυμάσαι τα κατά καιρούς ατυχήματα που έχουν γίνει εκεί ), οι στροφές του Πλαταμώνα ( έπρεπε να βγάλω μια φωτογραφία της "εθνικής οδού" σε εκείνο το σημείο, ειδικά στην στροφή αμέσως μετά τη διασταύρωση Νέου Παντελεήμονα ). Επίσης όλη η οδός Αντίρριο-Γιάννενα, ένας απαράδεκτος δρόμος με πολύ μεγάλο φόρτο κυκλοφορίας, η Πατρών-Πύργου με τρακτέρ, μηχανάκια και αγροτικά να διασχίζουν κάθετα την εθνική οδό.

Ασφαλώς δεν είμαι μηδενιστής, είπα και προηγουμένως ότι αναγνωρίζω την σαφή βελτίωση και παρ' ότι μάλιστα είμαι εντελώς αντίθετος πολιτικά στην παρούσα κυβέρνηση αναγνωρίζω την πολύ καλή δουλειά που γίνεται από το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ στον τομέα των αυτοκινητοδρόμων, όπου έχουμε πολύ γρήγορες αναθέσεις για σημαντικά τμήματα ( ειδικά στην Εγνατία ). Μια Εγνατία που ακόμα δεν μπορούμε να την πούμε σχεδόν τελειωμένη φυσικά, έχει ακόμη αρκετή δουλειά, ειδικά στην περιοχή της Ηπείρου, πάντως ευτυχώς τελευταία έχει επιταχυνθεί πολύ ο ρυθμός.

Όσον αφορά τη σύγκριση με τους υπόλοιπους της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης. Με τους "15" καθώς και την Ελβετία δεν υπάρχει καμία σύγκριση, είμαστε πολύ πίσω, με τις άλλες χώρες δεν ξέρω ακριβώς τι γίνεται, σίγουρα, Σλοβενία, Τσεχία, Ουγγαρία και Κύπρος έχουν καλύτερο δίκτυο από μας, φυσικά πρέπει να λάβουμε υπόψη το γεγονός ότι δεν έχουν σε καμία περίπτωση την πολύ δύσκολη γεωμορφολογία της Ελλάδας.

Skaros
March 18th, 2006, 10:13 AM
@cosmos Πολύ ωραίες οι φωτογραφίες σου , ειδικά για τους ελληνικούς δρόμους είναι εξαιρετικά δύσκολο να βρει κάποιος φωτογραφίες που να μην είναι η αττική οδός.
Γενικά συμφωνώ με το σχολιασμό περί ασφάλειας στους ελληνικούς δρόμους. Για τους δρόμους της πελοποννήσου ειδικά που τους χρησιμοποιώ συνέχεια εδώ και πολλά χρόνια έχω να πω ότι εκτός από το ήδη παραδοθέν εδώ και 15 χρόνια κομμάτι Κόρινθος-Τρίπολη (το οποίο παρουσιάζει και αρκετές κακοτεχνίες ), το υπόλοιπο οδικό δίκτυο είναι ΑΠΑΡΑΔΕΚΤΟ και σε τίποτα δε θυμίζει ότι είμαστε μια χώρα που είναι 25 χρόνια στην ευρωπαϊκή ένωση...]
Το γιατί έχει πολλές και διαφορετικές απαντήσεις ανάλογα με τη σκοπιά που το βλέπει ο καθένας.
Ας αισιοδοξούμε όμως και ας ελπίσουμε ότι έστω και με ρυθμούς χελώνας κάτι θα γίνει τελικά.

@Χρήστο πολύ ωραίος και ενδιαφέρον ο οδικός χάρτης της ελλάδας , προσωπικά πιστεύω ότι θα έπρεπε ήδη να είναι έτσι όπως σχεδίασες το οδικό δίκτυο... Κάλιο αργά παρά ποτέ βέβαια θα πει κάποιος...έστω...

Σε ότι αφορά τη νησιωτική ελλάδα εκεί είναι εντελώς χάλια η κατάσταση.
Η Κρήτη με το μεγάλος της μέγεθος και τον μεγάλο πληθυσμό θα έπρεπε να διαθέτει ήδη ( 25 χρόνια ευρωπαϊκή ένωση υπενθυμίζω -από τις πιο πλούσιες περιφέρειες της χώρας κτλπ ) αυτοκινητόδρομο που να συνδέει το νησί από το δυτικό μέχρι το ανατολικό άκρο.
Δεν υπάρχει καμία δικαιολογία γιατί αυτό το έργο δεν έγινε ποτέ εκτός από κάποια μικρά τμήματα κυρίως μεταξύ Ηρακλείου -Ρεθύμνου.
Ο φίλος Κωνσταντινούπολις μπορεί ίσως να μας δώσει πιο λεπτομερή στοιχεία για το πόσα χιλιόμετρα περίπου είναι ΑΥΤΟΚΙΝΗΤΟΔΡΟΜΟΣ (2 +1 λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας και προστατευτικό στηθαίο στη μέση , με σωστή διαγράμμιση, σήμανση και καλής ποιότητας άσφαλτο ).
Επιπλέον ειδικά για την Κρήτη θα μπορούσε να αναπτυχθεί και σιδηροδρομικό δίκτυο στον ίδιο άξονα... Πως η Μαγιόρκα δηλαδή (νησί μικρότερο από την κρήτη ) έχει σιδηρόδρομο?

Για τα υπόλοιπα νησιά εκτός Κρήτης κλάψε με μανούλα κλάψε με.
Και φυσικά δεν περιμένει κανείς να δει αυτοκινητοδρόμους , αλλά είναι εκατοντάδς οι περιπτώσεις ακόμα και σε μεγάλα νησιά (π.χ. Λέσβος ) που το οδικό δίκτυοα είναι χάλια (δρόμοι χύμα χωρίς προστατευτικά στην άκρη , χωρίς διαγραμμίσεις , χωρίς φωτισμό , χωρίς σήμανση κτλπ.

Τελειώνοντας θα βάλω και εγώ εδώ κάποιες φωτογραφίες που είχα ξαναδείξει σε παλαιότερα threads απλά για να είναι συγκεντρωμένες όλες οι φωτογραφίες από ελληνικούς δρόμους εδώ. :)

National road (highway) Corinth - Patras , also known as "Ethniki Odos" .
This is how many greek roads constructed during 60s look like.
A very dangerous and completely inadequate road...
According to the ministry of pubplic works the road is not expected to be a normal motorway (2+1 lanes/direction) before 2010 (construction with private funding , the road was "forgotten" and "excluded" from the EU funding packages of the last 25 years... !! )

Near panagopoula (between Aegion and Patras)
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/8489/highway14nf.jpg


Near psathopyrgos (close to Rio )

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9357/highway28gc.jpg

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6981/highway38jx.jpg

*** Το κομμάτι πριν το Ρίο είναι γεμάτο από απίστευτες λακούβες που εκτός ότι μπορεί να προκαλέσουν βλάβη στο αυτοκίνητο , μπορεί να προκαλέσουν και ατύχημα καθώς πολλοι οδηγοί κάνουν επικίνδυνες μανούβρες για να τις αποφύγουν και ενώ κινούνται με υψηλές ταχύτητες*****

Κατεβαίνοντας την κατηφόρα που οδηγεί στη γέφυρα , από την πλευρά του Ρίου , στο βάθος αριστερά η γνωστή σε όλους εδώ "παλιοβούνα".
Το κομμάτι της εθνικής οδού μετά τα διόδια του Ρίου και μέχρι την είσοδο της πόλεως των Πατρών είναι με διαχωριστικό διάζωμα και 2 λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας ανά κατεύθυνση (πάσχει όμως στην είσοδο Κ1 της περιμετρικής από κακής ποιότητας άσφαλτο )

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2338/highway92np.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6897/highway104ru.jpg

Και τέλος το μόνο κομμάτι σύγχρονου δρόμου σε ολόκληρη την Πελοπόννησο.
Τα 18 χιλιόμετρα της ευρείας παράκαμψης πατρών (γνωστής και σαν μεγάλης περιμετρικής ).
Χιλιόμετρο και χρόνος για αυτό το κομμάτι μιας και κατασκευαζόταν από τα μέσα της δεκαετίας του 80 για να παραδοθεί τελικά το 2002.
Ο δρόμος περιλαμβάνει μεγάλης δυσκολίας τεχνικά έργα μεταξύ των οποίων είναι πολλές κοιλαδογέφυρες και 6 διπλές σήρραγγες.
Και κάτι πολύ σημαντικό (το οποίο σπάνια συναντά κανείς σε ελληνικούς δρόμους ) : Ο δρόμος είναι πλήρως φωτιζόμενος κατά τις νυκτερινές ώρες , πράγμα που διευκολύνει πολύ τον οδηγό...

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1382/highway41ze.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6207/highway57eu.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9774/highway62br.jpg

http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/2-01.jpg

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/505/highway74je.jpg

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/310/highway80rv.jpg

http://www.phaethon2004.org/images/23/2-02.jpg

GrigorisSokratis
March 19th, 2006, 09:45 AM
Hi folks, Cosmos your pictures are amazing buddy! Thank YOU Thank YOU great job. But...a little correction actually the Egnatia is not 650 kms but 670kms a small difference but I just wanted to post the real number.

As for roads I think the Ionia should have been done altogether with the Rio-Antirio bridge at once as one big project of which the Rio Antirio would have been just a part of, nonetheless our great politicians who do everything all right (note the ironic tone please) well, left that road for another opportunity, I mean just leave for tomorrow what you can do today and in the meanwhile sit down and watch how the butterflies fly around that's more constructive.

Anyway, back to the constructive issue I'm still dreaming with the Epirus-Kerkyra bridge added to the Ionian-Egnatia network and a future......Kerkyra-Via Roma (yeah the road of the little village opposite Kerkyra and Othonoi which is separated from Greece just by the strait, but which with a bridge would be an extension of Egnatia) Or Even better guys an Eurotunnel II or Adriatic/Ionian Tunnel, with the combination of Ioannis Kapodistrias bridge from Epirus to Kerkyra.........Ah what a dream guys what a dream. Unfortunately I have to leave you now since I've woke up and have to listen the critics of Papandreou against the government and see what the later will reply to the former one, that's more constructive :) .

Giorgio
March 19th, 2006, 09:54 AM
Skaros, great pics! Thats the road I drive on when im in Greece from Corinth - Patra!

cosmos
March 23rd, 2006, 12:16 PM
Skaro your pics are very nice, Patra's ring road is a very good road, but what a big disappointment when you realize that before and after this new part the road is so bad, old and dangerous.

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
March 23rd, 2006, 05:01 PM
@ cosmos και Skaros,παιδιά δεν ξέχασα την συζήτηση μας για τους αυτοκινητόδρομους,θα επανέλθω.

Turkish Sultan
April 10th, 2006, 03:09 AM
well, that greece has build this new freeways, they are very comfortably and modern, now we can drive faster and more certainly to turkey... :nocrook:

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
April 10th, 2006, 06:06 AM
Από μια παλιότερη καταχώρηση μου …

Μερικές φωτογραφίες που τράβηξα την πρωτομαγιά ( 1/5/05 ) από την υπό κατασκευή «κακιά σκάλα»


http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/alfa_omega/19058/420103/0/906.jpg

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/alfa_omega/19058/420109/0/103_0317.JPG

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/alfa_omega/19058/420105/0/103_0321.JPG

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/alfa_omega/19058/420108/0/103_0319.JPG

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/alfa_omega/19058/420106/0/103_0320.JPG
pic 1 by Natalia Anemodoura ( airphotos.gr )
pics 2,3,4 and 5 by me.

Demis
May 31st, 2006, 06:10 PM
any more photos of Greek highways please?

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
June 1st, 2006, 02:26 AM
Κόμβος στην διακλάδωση του αυτοκινητοδρόμου προς των συνοριακό σταθμό των Ευζώνων.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4033/196622zp.jpg

http://www.domotechniki.gr/greek/road_bridge/proj5/index.htm

Turkish Sultan
June 6th, 2006, 01:40 PM
Is this highway built quite completely ready? Or only partly?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8409/greece59ps2ix.gif

Demis
June 9th, 2006, 01:12 PM
any photos of the Thessaloniki-Halkidiki motorway?

cosmos
June 9th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Is this highway built quite completely ready? Or only partly?



Turkish Sultan thisa road is partly ready, but all the not ready parts are under quick construction. We believe that at then of 2008 all this road will be a perfect motorway :)

Turkish Sultan
June 9th, 2006, 03:59 PM
Turkish Sultan thisa road is partly ready, but all the not ready parts are under quick construction. We believe that at then of 2008 all this road will be a perfect motorway :)

Ok, thank you for the answer cosmos... :)

Demis
June 10th, 2006, 12:57 PM
I wonder why in Greece you call the motorways Ethniki Odos when they should be called Autodromos oh yes by the way, why Autokinitodromos? do the Italians call their motorways Automobilestrada or the French Automobileroute,or the Germans Automobilbahn or the Dutch Autobilsnelweg etc, etc? It does not make any sense. In evry other country National Roads has NOTHING to do with motorways.

kostya
June 10th, 2006, 01:31 PM
...and your point is?

Giorgio
June 10th, 2006, 01:42 PM
I wonder why in Greece you call the motorways Ethniki Odos when they should be called Autodromos oh yes by the way, why Autokinitodromos? do the Italians call their motorways Automobilestrada or the French Automobileroute,or the Germans Automobilbahn or the Dutch Autobilsnelweg etc, etc? It does not make any sense. In evry other country National Roads has NOTHING to do with motorways.
so...

Verso
June 10th, 2006, 02:35 PM
Automobilbahn :hilarious :rofl:

BTW:
Is this highway built quite completely ready?
What a sentence! :hammer:

savas
June 10th, 2006, 02:56 PM
I wonder why in Greece you call the motorways Ethniki Odos when they should be called Autodromos oh yes by the way, why Autokinitodromos? do the Italians call their motorways Automobilestrada or the French Automobileroute,or the Germans Automobilbahn or the Dutch Autobilsnelweg etc, etc? It does not make any sense. In evry other country National Roads has NOTHING to do with motorways.

because there is no word like "autodromos" "αυτόδρομος" in greek... that does not make any sence.,..

"autokinitodromos" "αυτοκινητοδρομος" is common word for the "Ethniki Odos" "Εθνική Οδός".... And the right word!!!

"Ethniki Odos" "Εθνική Οδός" is the official name and it is nice...

So the answer to your (weird) question is:

Because we live in Greece... Not in Italy, not in France, not in Germany!

Verso
June 10th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Ah btw silly me, astonishing pix :okay:, I like very much the combination of colors - perfect new black motorways and mostly brown surrounding. I hope they always stay black and never turn grey! :D

Verso
June 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM
GREEK MOTORWAYS - :eat: !

Demis
June 10th, 2006, 06:15 PM
sorry dear verso i meant Autowagenbahn

Verso
June 10th, 2006, 06:58 PM
sorry dear verso i meant Autowagenbahn
Car is actually just Auto or just Wagen in German but I didn't even notice it, I found Automobil ok but the word Automobilbahn sounds so :ancient: that I had to laugh at it. No offense, it's just that the word is funny, nothing else. :)

Turkish Sultan
June 10th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Ljubljana

What a Name... :weird: :hilarious

Onur
June 10th, 2006, 09:03 PM
^^ It's Capital city of Slovenia. :bash:

Verso
June 10th, 2006, 09:14 PM
What a Name... :weird: :hilarious
I'll start respecting you when you're able to pronounce it! ;)
Let's stay by juicy Greek motorways anyway...

Turkish Sultan
June 11th, 2006, 03:18 AM
^^ It's Capital city of Slovenia. :bash:

i know...

and its funny, thats my opinion... ;)

Turkish Sultan
June 11th, 2006, 03:22 AM
I'll start respecting you when you're able to pronounce it! ;)
Let's stay by juicy Greek motorways anyway...

You must not respect me, as well as me you not...

YOU have changed the subject, not I...

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
June 11th, 2006, 03:52 AM
@ Verso, calm down.

Verso
June 11th, 2006, 01:19 PM
:drool:

A question: how many kms of motorways/freeways... did Greece have in let's say 1992? Wasn't it just 20 - 30 km or sth like that near Thessaloniki in the direction of Athens? If that's the case you've made a looot of progress! Greece, Croatia and China are the new-freeways queens! :rock:
Thanks for the answers!

Efes
June 11th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Awesome roads guys. I absolutely love that bridge (Rio Antirrio Bridge). I don't suppose it's a easy task to built highway networks on a mountainous terrain. Way to go Greece!!!

kostya
June 11th, 2006, 02:49 PM
:drool:

A question: how many kms of motorways/freeways... did Greece have in let's say 1992? Wasn't it just 20 - 30 km or sth like that near Thessaloniki in the direction of Athens? If that's the case you've made a looot of progress! Greece, Croatia and China are the new-freeways queens! :rock:
Thanks for the answers!

I bet you've read on this forum before about 1992, I have a feeling we've been discussing here about the early 90s :). Anyway, yes it's true, Greece had very few highways 20+ years ago, but now they're much more but in my opinion not enough yet. But projects like Egnatia Odos help a lot I have to admit. China is no-doubt the absolut new-highway queen (what a term :D), with some 20,000km of brandnew highways covering it's endless territory ;). Croatia also seems to be a new kid in the block too, doing great :okay: :cheers: .

Verso
June 11th, 2006, 05:30 PM
^^ Thank you for the answer! Yes, we really can't compare China with anyone else in this matter (new 5,000 km every year :runaway: ) but I had to mention Greece since it's a Greek forum and Croatia which is also in Europe and not far away and at the end you can't overlook China. I used the word queen instead of king, cause I think Greece, Croatia and China all sound so feminine! :laugh:

No, I have a map of Europe by Freytag&Berndt from probably 1992 (there's still Czechoslovakia but not SFR Yugoslavia or USSR anymore) where it looks like just about 20 - 30 km outside of Thessaloniki; was the traffic so low back then?
And I'm also interested in what kind of a road there is between Thessaloniki and FYRoM (direction Skopje); Euzoni if I'm right - sometimes I see it already on old maps as motorway, sometimes just an ordinary road (or perhaps just a little better than ordinary); is this one of those roads which are already so old and crappy that you can't call them motorways any more (I doubt though)?! Cause you can't see it on Google Earth! :D

dewrob
June 11th, 2006, 06:45 PM
^^

Verso, Evzoni-Thesaloniki is a motorway only the first couple of kilometers after the border. The rest is a typical Greek road 2 lanes + hard shoulders all the way. However it's in a good shape and it's maintained relatively OK...

:cheers:

GrigorisSokratis
June 11th, 2006, 07:24 PM
If I have to crown a country as the queen of Highways I would do it to America. Many people are overating China in almost every aspect of life and they forget that the USA has a GDP 5.61 times higher than China (12.49 trillion for the USA vs $2.225 trillion for China) also America is slightly larger in territory than China, the per capita GDP (PPP) comparison of the US is 41,800 vs 6,800 in China. As for the expressways the USA has 74,950 km of them vs 29,745 km of China.

We have to keep on mind that America's income distribution is among the best of the world considering its population while China's is far away from being such, and the view they're selling to the world is that of Hong Kong, Beiging, Shanghai and other mayor cities while having a somewhat hidden interior (mainly in western underdeveloped regions). So that leads to the need of expressways, while in America you are going to find them everywhere and in each one of the 50 states while this is not the case in the 23 provinces of China, finding a higher population density and also standards of living in the eastern and SE regions of the country.

China is still too far from being the queen in anything but population (something that will be reversed also in the next two decades as India has the highest demographic growth on earth thus surpassing China for that time).

bubach_hlubach
June 11th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Croatia also seems to be a new kid in the block too, doing great :okay: :cheers: .

Croatia is actually kind of a veteran when it comes to motorways lol. The first real motorway, connecting Zagreb with Karlovac, was built in 1974 :)

:cheers:

GrigorisSokratis
June 11th, 2006, 08:05 PM
According to current projects and works under construction it is expected that for 2012 Greece will surpass the 2200 kms of Expressways.

Verso
June 11th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Croatia is actually kind of a veteran when it comes to motorways lol. The first real motorway, connecting Zagreb with Karlovac, was built in 1974 :)

:cheers:
Actually it was 'already' in 1972 (1 day after Vrhnika - Postojna :D ) but now you have boomed with the new ones.

Verso
June 11th, 2006, 10:49 PM
^^

Verso, Evzoni-Thesaloniki is a motorway only the first couple of kilometers after the border. The rest is a typical Greek road 2 lanes + hard shoulders all the way. However it's in a good shape and it's maintained relatively OK...

:cheers:
Now I know! :) Thanks for the answer, and I've gotta say that I hate this kind of roads - we call them killer roads in Slovenia (now we have luckily just a few left since most of them have been upgraded to motorways)! It's the same design as motorway (smooth curves) and it's able to drive more than 100 km/h on them but since roads are so busy nowadays you're stuck behind a truck and have to drive 60 - 70 kph! :bash: And since cars are of a much better quality now those hard shoulders are more or less needless. Instead of them now we would build a 4-lane fast road without hard shoulders, just with niches every 500 m. The more important motorways are still built with complete hard shoulders.

kostya
June 12th, 2006, 05:10 AM
Croatia is actually kind of a veteran when it comes to motorways lol. The first real motorway, connecting Zagreb with Karlovac, was built in 1974 :)

:cheers:

I was mistaken because of your massive highway threads then :).

Zagreb & Karlovac: http://www.v-sol.co.uk/gumball3000/images/maps/CAR21%20Zala%20Nagykanizsa%20-%20Zagreb%20-%20Karlovac%20Croatia.jpg
How many km was it?

kostya
June 12th, 2006, 05:13 AM
If I have to crown a country as the queen of Highways I would do it to America. Many people are overating China in almost every aspect of life and they forget that the USA has a GDP 5.61 times higher than China (12.49 trillion for the USA vs $2.225 trillion for China) also America is slightly larger in territory than China, the per capita GDP (PPP) comparison of the US is 41,800 vs 6,800 in China. As for the expressways the USA has 74,950 km of them vs 29,745 km of China.

We have to keep on mind that America's income distribution is among the best of the world considering its population while China's is far away from being such, and the view they're selling to the world is that of Hong Kong, Beiging, Shanghai and other mayor cities while having a somewhat hidden interior (mainly in western underdeveloped regions). So that leads to the need of expressways, while in America you are going to find them everywhere and in each one of the 50 states while this is not the case in the 23 provinces of China, finding a higher population density and also standards of living in the eastern and SE regions of the country.

China is still too far from being the queen in anything but population (something that will be reversed also in the next two decades as India has the highest demographic growth on earth thus surpassing China for that time).

We were talking about countries who are relatively new to highway construction. USA have them for ages ;) and is highway-based (thank hollywood for knowing that :D)

bubach_hlubach
June 12th, 2006, 06:37 AM
Zagreb & Karlovac: How many km was it?

Around 50 kilometers! :okay: :D

@Verso, Croatia started builting its motorways like 12 years ago, so basically this booming is pretty much behind us. There are few very sections left that are either upgrading as we speak (Zagreb-Rijeka full profile, and Zagreb - Bosiljevo exp. to six lanes), or sections getting finished (Split-Ploce-Dubrovnik, and 'Koridor 5c'), and that's it, we are done. :)

:cheers:

-------

btw, to the point. the Greek motorways totaly rule! :cheers1:

dewrob
June 12th, 2006, 06:59 AM
Actually it was already in 1972 (1 day after Vrhnika - Postojna :D ) but now you have boomed with the new ones.

We joined the highway club 6 years later :cheers:

kostya
June 12th, 2006, 07:28 AM
Around 50 kilometers! :okay: :D

@Verso, Croatia started builting its motorways like 12 years ago, so basically this booming is pretty much behind us. There are few very sections left that are either upgrading as we speak (Zagreb-Rijeka full profile, and Zagreb - Bosiljevo exp. to six lanes), or sections getting finished (Split-Ploce-Dubrovnik, and 'Koridor 5c'), and that's it, we are done. :)

:cheers:

-------

btw, to the point. the Greek motorways totaly rule! :cheers1:


Nice, I hope i'll make a roadtrip one day over there :cheers:

Skaros
June 12th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Παιδιά θα με συγχωρέσετε αλλά έχω αρκετά διαφορετική άποψη από αυτούς που βαράνε παλαμάκια για τα αυτονόητα. ( στο 2006 είμαστε όχι στο 1970 )
Γενικά όπως είπε και ο Κώστας (kostya) υπάρχει πολύς δρόμος ακόμα για να πανηγυρίσουμε...

Αν σκεφτούμε ότι είμαστε μια χώρα που συμπλήρωσε 25 χρόνια στην ευρωπαϊκή ένωση ( το είπα και το ξαναλέω για να μην το ξεχνάμε ), μάλλον πρέπει να λυπόμαστε παρά να ζητωκραυγάζουμε.
Οι δύο κύριες πόλεις τις χώρας ( Αθήνα και Θεσσαλονίκη δηλαδή ) ακόμα δεν συνδέονται πλήρως με σύγχρονο αυτοκινητόδρομο ( έστω και αν το μεγαλύτερο μέρος είναι ολοκληρωμένο ).

Επιπλέον η Εγνατία οδός έχει τεράστιες καθυστερήσεις ( με δεδομένο ότι το 2008 τελειώνει ) -- είναι όμως με διαφορά ο πιο εντυπωσιακός σύγχρονος αυτοκινητόδρομος της χώρας μας... :cheers:

Μην ξεχνάμε ότι η Πελοπόννησος και η δυτική Ελλάδα στερούνται παντελώς από αυτοκινητοδρόμους και το ίδιο συμβαίνει με το μεγαλύτερο νησί της χώρας την Κρήτη.

Έχουμε βαρεθεί να ακούμε για την αττική οδό ξεχνώντας ότι ουσιαστικά πρόκειται για ένα δρόμο όχι μεγαλύτερο των 100 χιλιομέτρων που είναι "αστικός" αυτοκινητόδρομος.

Η πελοπόννησος ( περιοχή ελεύθερη από τη δεκαετία του 1830 ήδη -) έχει ως μόνο δείγμα σύγχρονων δρόμων το κομμάτι Κόρινθος τρίπολη ( με πολλές κακοτεχνίες ) και 2-3 άλλες παρακάμψεις.
Δεν μπορώ εγώ να το ονομάσω αυτό πρόοδο , συγγνώμη αλλά είναι η πραγματικότητα.

Βέβαια αν κάνουμε συγκρίσεις του στυλ "τι είχες γιάννη τότε και τι έχεις τώρα" σαφώς και υπάρχει μεγάλη πρόοδος , όμως οι συγκρίσεις καλό είναι να γίνονται βάζοντας και άλλους παράγοντες μέσα όπως το χρόνο , το χρήμα , τι κάνουν οι άλλες χώρες κτλπ

gm2263
June 12th, 2006, 03:07 PM
Αχχχχ Συμφωνούμε όλοι απλά κρύβουμε λόγια γιατι είναι γνωστό ότι πολλοί επισκέπτες είναι κακόπιστοι και αν αρχίζουμε να βγάζουμε τα άπλυτα στη φόρα θα γίνει της τρελλής.

Τουλάχιστον, φαίνεται πως τώρα άρχισε να κυλάει κάποιο νερό στ' αυλάκι...

kostya
June 12th, 2006, 03:24 PM
Σκάρο έχεις δίκιο σ'αυτά που λες, 25 χρόνια στην ΕΕ θα έπρεπε να είχαμε τα διπλάσια χιλιόμετρα αυτοκινητοδρόμων. Χώρες όμως όπως αυτές που αναφέρονται παραπάνω με, για κάποιους, αναπτυσσόμενες οικονομίες αλλά και μικρότερη έκταση έχουν καταφέρει να εντυπωσιάσουν(και μην πείτε ότι δεν είναι σημαντικό και αυτό) τον Ευρωπαίο. Πολλές από αυτές επειδή είναι και transport hubs για cargo και δεν ξέρω και γω τι επιβάλλεται να έχουν τέλειους αυτοκινητόδρομους(βλέπε Γερμανία, Ολλάνδια κλπ)

Skaros
June 13th, 2006, 04:01 PM
Αχχχχ Συμφωνούμε όλοι απλά κρύβουμε λόγια γιατι είναι γνωστό ότι πολλοί επισκέπτες είναι κακόπιστοι και αν αρχίζουμε να βγάζουμε τα άπλυτα στη φόρα θα γίνει της τρελλής.

Τουλάχιστον, φαίνεται πως τώρα άρχισε να κυλάει κάποιο νερό στ' αυλάκι...

γιαυτό έγραψα και στα ελληνικά φίλε gm :)
Πάντως φαίνεται πως έχεις δίκιο , κάτι έχει αρχίσει να ξεκολάει σιγά σιγά...
Στην περίπτωση της περιοχής μας όμως για να είμαι ειλικρινής αν δε δω μηχανήματα να δουλεύουν δεν πιστεύω τίποτα . Έχω βαρεθεί να ακούω εδώ και 5 χρόνια για αυτοχρηματοδοτούμενα που τρέχουν και το μόνο που τρέχει είναι οι νεκροί στην άσφαλτο.
Είναι απίστευτη η αργοσχολία αυτών των τύπων στο υπουργείο δημοσίων έργων (το σημερινό και τα χθεσινά...) , έλεος πλέον.

greek_eagle
June 15th, 2006, 08:35 AM
There's also a project for a future Highway at the Ionian namely it's called Ionia Odos (Ionian Highway). This highway will run across western Greece from Kalamata to Igoumenitsa.

thus adding some 500 more kms to the network. Also this road is going to be connected to the already under construction Egnatia. Adding to all these, there're the aforementioned PATHE, and Tripoli-Kalamata roads as well as a central Greece road project which will run from Lamia to Karditsa.

Having all these on mind, we can consider the idea that Greece in a few years will become a real crossroads country in Europe.

Who knows what will come after all these works are concluded, maybe a next generation of public works...who knows I'd bet that a bridge or even a second EUROTUNNEL connecting Greece to Italy would be a great investment. But will have to wait after 2012 for such a project since that's the target year for the conclussion of the current works and projects.

YOU ARE SO CORRECT..THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS FREEWAY 'THE IONIAN HIGHWAY' IS PART OF A SYSTEM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INVESTED IN AND STARTED. ONE NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT THE ROADWAY FROM IGOUOMENITSA TO PREVESA IS PART OF THAT SCHEME. SECONDLY, THE TUNNEL AT PREVESA IS PART AS IS THE RIO-ANTIRION BRIDGE, THE PATRA BYPASS AND FINALLY THE HIGHWAY THAT IS BEING BUILT TO KALAMATA AND THE PROPOSED..SOON TO BE CONSTRUCTED LEG FROM THE TRIPOLI - KALAMATA HIGHWAY TO SPARTI.

greek_eagle
June 18th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Hi greek friends,I'm looking for some pics of the new greek highways,'couse I've noticed that there's so many highway under construction all over Greece,so can you help me,please??Thank you!!


There is a lot of highway construction happening in Greece that is for sure! The good thing about it is that it is doing wonders to alleviate the traffic problem that has been plaguing many of the cities for years. In the Athens CMSA there has been the widening of the Kifisou National Highway to freeway standards, the opening of the Attiki Odos Motorway, The Immitos Peripheral Freeway and the Poseidon Highway on the coast has had many improvements such as the interchange with Kifisou Highway and the ramps that connect the southern suburbs with the harbor to Pireas. Moreover, there have been improvements made to other parts of the system such as the partial interchange at Alimou Blvd and so on. There are currently many projects that will be continued or begun. These namely are the continuation of Attiki Odos from Markopoulo to Lavrio...which will also be connected with a new leg [freeway standards] with tunnel through the southern part of the Immito Mountain through Argiroupoulis and continuing to the coast and connecting with the Poseidonos Coastal Hwy. Other projects include continuing the Periphery Hwy from just past the interchange with Attiki Odos in the municipality of Pikermi all the way to Rafina and tunneling Perama [New Perama] and connecting the National Highway with Salamina. There is a web site that will tell you even more..but I personally don't have it at hand..but will post it when I find it. So there are quite a few highway projects happening here...and I just mentioned a few in the Athens CMSA! Though you guys...as excited as one may get about having nice projects like these...we must also profess to our friends that DRIVING SAFELY is what is of importance. Cars and Motor Vehicles in general are weapons that kill and we must drive with caution! Just because we are building doesn't mean that we have to be morons and drive like idiots and create gridlock conditions because we thought we could be slick and TRY to drive quicker and pass somebody dangerously. We have shown the world so many things...let's continue the trend by showing people HOW to drive! All my best & Drive Safely!!

greek_eagle
June 18th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Does anybody have NEW pictures of the junctions and completed highways in Piraeus along the coast? I have pics where it is not completely finished, anybody have any?


That is another huge highway project that went on.


I tried Google Earth...but you know they haven't updated anything even though it says they have! The interchange is still in its underconstruction stage...though the finished interchange is quite impressive!!

Giorgio
June 19th, 2006, 05:42 AM
I tried Google Earth...but you know they haven't updated anything even though it says they have! The interchange is still in its underconstruction stage...though the finished interchange is quite impressive!!
They have updated other parts of Greece like Patras and Larissa but Athens is still the old pics.

cosmos
June 19th, 2006, 01:58 PM
Συμφωνώ απολύτως με τον Σκάρο. Η ποιότητα των ελληνικών δρόμων ( ακόμα και των καινούριων σε κάποια σημεία ) είναι σε γενικές γραμμές πολύ κακή. Κάποια στιγμή θα προσπαθήσω να κάνω ένα φωτογραφικό οδοιπορικό στην περιφερειακή οδό Θεσσαλονίκης, που κατά τη γνώμη μου είναι ένας από τους πιο επικίνδυνους δρόμους της Ελλάδας, εντελώς ακατάλληλος και κορεσμένος.

kostya
June 19th, 2006, 02:06 PM
Και όσον αφορά τον αριθμό των αυτοκινήτων καθημερινά αλλά και την ποιότητα του δρόμου... Πόσες φορές την βδομάδα είπαμε κλείνει ο περιφερειακός λόγω ατυχημάτων??? :runaway:

kostya
June 19th, 2006, 02:12 PM
What about Thessaloniki?

skylinearth
June 19th, 2006, 02:36 PM
What about Thessaloniki?

Thessaloniki is not in the high rez map yet, we have to wait.
Visit this site, its a wish list for future high rez cities:http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/248897/page/0/vc/1

kostya
June 19th, 2006, 03:03 PM
It's in the low-rez cities it seems :( . My net connections won't allow me to play with google earth :D

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
June 19th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Merged.

GrigorisSokratis
July 18th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Συνέντευξη Τύπου
Υπουργού ΠΕΧΩΔΕ κ. Γιώργου Σουφλιά

Πρόγραμμα «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ»
Οδικός Άξονας Ελευσίνα-Κόρινθος-Πάτρα & Πάτρα–Πύργος-Τσακώνα

Αθήνα 26 Ιουνίου 2006

Συνέντευξη Τύπου
Υπουργού ΠΕΧΩΔΕ κ. Γιώργου Σουφλιά

Πρόγραμμα «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ»
Οδικός Άξονας Ελευσίνα- Κόρινθος-Πάτρα & Πάτρα – Πύργος- Τσακώνα

Σήμερα σας κάλεσα γιατί μπαίνει στην τελική ευθεία το μεγαλύτερο από τα μεγάλα έργα που προωθεί το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ με την μέθοδο της σύμβασης παραχώρησης : ο οδικός άξονας Ελευσίνα- Κόρινθος-Πάτρα & Πάτρα – Πύργος- Τσακώνα με προϋπολογισμό τριπλάσιο από αυτόν του έργου της ζεύξης Ρίου- Αντίρριου.

Το έργο αυτό εντάσσεται στο πρόγραμμα που ονομάζω «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ» περιλαμβάνει 7 μεγάλα οδικά έργα, συνολικού προϋπολογισμού περίπου 7 δις ευρώ. Είναι ένα τεράστιο επενδυτικό και αναπτυξιακό πρόγραμμα, πρωτόγνωρο για την Ελλάδα που στην κυριολεξία αλλάζει τον χάρτη της χώρας και της παραμέτρους ανάπτυξής της. Μικρότερες αποστάσεις, περισσότερη ταχύτητα, πολύ μεγαλύτερη ασφάλεια, σημαντικές προοπτικές ανάπτυξης.

Ο οδικός άξονας Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος – Πάτρα & Πάτρα – Πύργος – Τσακώνα είναι ένα έργο στρατηγικής σημασίας για την ανάπτυξη της Πελοποννήσου, της Δυτικής Ελλάδας και της Ηπείρου και έργο ζωής και ασφάλειας για τους πολίτες των περιοχών αυτών.

Το έργο αυτό είναι αναμφίβολα το μεγαλύτερο και δυσκολότερο από τα 7 έργα του προγράμματος «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ» που προωθούμε. Είναι ένα έργο μαμούθ. Το μεγαλύτερο σε οικονομικό και κατασκευαστικό αντικείμενο που προωθήθηκε ποτέ στην Ελλάδα και που θα κατασκευασθεί με την μέθοδο της σύμβασης παραχώρησης. Είναι από τα δυσκολότερα έργα που προωθούμε και έπρεπε να εξασφαλίσουμε την οικονομική βιωσιμότητα του έργου επιλέγοντας την βέλτιστη τεχνοκρατική λύση για ένα έργο 365,4 χιλιομέτρων εκ των οποίων θα κατασκευαστούν τα 283,7 χιλιόμετρα και θα βελτιωθούν τα υπόλοιπα 81,7 χλμ.

Σημειώνω εξαρχής ότι και γι’ αυτό το έργο το Μάρτιο του 2004 δεν παραλάβαμε τίποτα άλλο εκτός από την προεπιλογή των ομίλων. Καμία απολύτως μελέτη ! Όλες οι μελέτες – οδοποιίας, περιβαλλοντικές, γεωλογικές κ.α. έγιναν τα δύο τελευταία χρόνια και αυτό για όποιον έχει γνώσεις με τόσες πολλές και τόσο σημαντικές μελέτες σ’ αυτή την τόσο δύσκολη περιοχή, αποτελεί άθλο. Εργάστηκαν εντατικά και μελέτησαν το κατασκευαστικό αντικείμενο το έργου πλήθος ειδικών και εκλήθησαν και ειδικοί εμπειρογνώμονες από το εξωτερικό. Μελετήθηκαν πολλές λύσεις και τελικά οι ειδικοί κατέληξαν στη βέλτιστη χάραξη που σε άλλα σημεία ακολουθεί τη χάραξη του σημερινού δρόμου και σε άλλα όχι.

Τα λέω αυτά γιατί πραγματικά θεωρώ απαράδεκτη και παντελώς ανεύθυνη την κριτική του Νομαρχιακού Συμβουλίου της Πάτρας για δήθεν υποβάθμιση του τμήματος Κόρινθος – Πάτρα. Ο συγκεκριμένος δρόμος ανήκει στο Διευρωπαϊκό Δίκτυο των σύγχρονων αυτοκινητοδρόμων και οι προδιαγραφές του είναι καλύτερες από αυτές που ορίζει η Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση. Από την αρχική προκήρυξη προβλεπόταν το πλάτος του να είναι 24,5 μέτρα, όποια κι ήταν η χάραξη. Τελικά, ο δρόμος θα έχει πλάτος 26,5 μέτρα, με 3 λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας σε κάθε ρεύμα και με διαχωριστικό διάζωμα ανάμεσα στα δύο ρεύματα. Σύμφωνα με τους ειδικούς, ο δρόμος αυτός θα εξυπηρετεί άνετα, με πλήρη ασφάλεια, υπερτριπλάσια κίνηση από τη σημερινή και θα επιτρέπει σε όλα τα σημεία του την ανάπτυξη ταχύτητας 120 χλμ. την ώρα.

Σημειώνω επίσης ότι το πλάτος του τμήματος Κόρινθος – Πάτρα είναι μεγαλύτερο από το πλάτος της Εγνατίας Οδού και του μεγαλύτερου μέρους της ΠΑΘΕ που έχουν πλάτος 24,5 μέτρα. Από όλο το εθνικό μας δίκτυο μόνο το τμήμα Κόρινθος-Αθήνα-Σχηματάρι και το τμήμα Κατερίνη-Θεσσαλονίκη έχουν μεγαλύτερο πλάτος γιατί και σήμερα αλλά και μελλοντικά εξυπηρετούν πολλαπλάσιους κυκλοφοριακούς φόρτους. Είναι για παράδειγμα αδιανόητο το τμήμα Κόρινθος-Πάτρα να έχει το ίδιο πλάτος με το τμήμα Κόρινθος-Αθήνα, αφού το δεύτερο επιβαρύνεται και από την κίνηση του οδικού άξονα Τρίπολη-Καλαμάτα.

Για την διαδρομή Κόρινθος – Πάτρα και σχεδόν σε όλα τα τμήματά της μελετήθηκαν κατά μέσο όρο πέντε (5) εναλλακτικές λύσεις. Η κάθε μία από αυτές τις λύσεις θα στοίχιζε εκατοντάδες εκατομμύρια εώς και 1 δις ευρώ περισσότερο από την λύση που προκρίναμε, δηλαδή η χρηματοδότηση του έργου θα ήταν αδύνατη. Πέραν αυτού οι λύσεις αυτές περιλάμβαναν την κατασκευή σε δύσκολα εδάφη μεγάλων σηράγγων που ξεπερνούσαν τα 6 χιλιόμετρα μήκος. Αυτό, σύμφωνα με τους ειδικούς, δημιουργούσε αυξημένο βαθμό κατασκευαστικής αβεβαιότητας και οι λύσεις αυτές κρίθηκαν απρόσφορες τόσο από γεωλογική, οικολογική και οικονομική άποψη όσο και για λόγους ασφαλείας σε έκτακτα περιστατικά. Είναι επίσης γεγονός ότι με τις λύσεις αυτές θα υπήρχε περιβαλλοντική βλάβη της περιοχής και καταστροφή περιουσιών της τοπικής κοινωνίας. Επίσης, τεράστιο θα ήταν το κόστος των αναγκαίων απαλλοτριώσεων. Ο σημερινός δρόμος έχει εκατέρωθεν ζώνες που είναι ήδη απαλλοτριωμένες, και καλύπτουν τις ανάγκες του νέου αυτοκινητοδρόμου.

Μετά, λοιπόν, από πολύ δουλειά και μελέτη πλέον μπαίνουμε στην τελική ευθεία για την ολοκλήρωση του διαγωνισμού του έργου Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος – Πάτρα και Πάτρα – Πύργος – Τσακώνα. Από τις 13 Νοεμβρίου του 2005 οι υποψήφιοι όμιλοι είχαν παραλάβει τις μελέτες και προσχέδιο της σύμβασης παραχώρησης. Την προηγούμενη εβδομάδα παρέλαβαν τα τελικά τεύχη δημοπράτησης και την διακήρυξη και καλούνται να υποβάλλουν τις δεσμευτικές προσφορές τους στις 9 Οκτωβρίου 2006, με στόχο να έχουμε αναδείξει τον προσωρινό ανάδοχο του έργου μέχρι το τέλος του 2006.

Αναλυτικότερα:

ΤΕΧΝΙΚΑ ΧΑΡΑΚΤΗΡΙΣΤΙΚΑ ΤΟΥ ΕΡΓΟΥ

Ο Οδικός Άξονας Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος – Πάτρα και Πάτρα – Πύργος – Τσακώνα έχει συνολικό μήκος 365,4 χλμ. και το έργο παραχώρησης περιλαμβάνει :

α) Την κατασκευή νέων τμημάτων του αυτοκινητοδρόμου συνολικού μήκους 283,7 χλμ.
β) Την συμπλήρωση και βελτίωση υφιστάμενων τμημάτων του αυτοκινητοδρόμου συνολικού μήκους 81,7 χλμ.

Αναλυτικότερα :

α) Η κατασκευή των νέων τμημάτων του έργου

Τα νέα τμήματα του σύγχρονου αυτοκινητοδρόμου που θα κατασκευαστούν έχουν συνολικό μήκος 283,7 χιλιόμετρα. Αναλυτικότερα θα κατασκευαστούν :

 Τα 120 χλμ. του τμήματος Κόρινθος – Πάτρα, με τρεις λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας ανά κατεύθυνση και μεσαίο διαχωριστικό διάζωμα. Ο αυτοκινητόδρομος αυτός θα έχει πλάτος 26,5 μέτρα με εξαίρεση το τμήμα Έξοδος Πάτρας – Διόδια Ρίου μήκους 6 χλμ που θα διαθέτει 4 Λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας (αστικού τύπου) ανά κατεύθυνση με συνολικό πλάτος 33,15μ.

 Τα 163,7 χλμ., του τμήματος Πάτρα – Πύργος- Αλφειός - Τσακώνα, με δύο λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας ανά κατεύθυνση, μία λωρίδα έκτακτης ανάγκης (ΛΕΑ) και μεσαίο διαχωριστικό διάζωμα.

 31 νέοι πλήρεις ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι

 Η πλήρης οργάνωση δευτερεύοντος οδικού δικτύου μέσω ανισόπεδων διαβάσεων και παράπλευρων οδών στον Αυτοκινητόδρομο για την αποκατάσταση επικοινωνίας, την εξυπηρέτηση των τοπικών μετακινήσεων και την σύνδεση με τον Αυτοκινητόδρομο.

Τεχνική Περιγραφή:

1. Στο τμήμα Κόρινθος – Πάτρα μήκους 120 χλμ.

Η χάραξη του δρόμου σε άλλα σημεία δεν ακολουθεί την υφιστάμενη εθνική οδό και σε άλλα την ακολουθεί όπου το σημερινό πλάτος των 12,5 μέτρων γίνεται 26,5 μέτρα και αλλάζουν με νέα βελτιωμένη χάραξη οι καμπύλες του δρόμου ώστε να επιτρέπεται σε αυτές η ασφαλής διέλευση με ταχύτητα 120 χλμ./ώρα.
Η χάραξη του δρόμου δεν ακολουθεί την χάραξη της υφιστάμενης εθνικής οδού και παραλλάσσεται στις θέσεις Κιάτο, Γεληνιάτικα, Ξυλόκαστρο, Λυκοποριά, Μαύρα Λιθάρια, Αιγείρα, Πλάτανος, Ελίκη, Αίγιο, Σελιανίτικα, Άβυθος, Παναγοπούλα και Αραχωβίτικα.

Επίσης στα πλαίσια του τμήματος Κόρινθος – Πάτρα πρόκειται να κατασκευαστούν:

- Σήραγγες συνολικού μήκους 10.375μ. και λοιπά υπόγεια τμήματα (cut and cover), συνολικού μήκους 3.374μ.
- 61 γέφυρες άνω των 20μ. μήκους 4.500μ.
- 13 νέοι ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά
- 135 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις τοπικού δικτύου (δεν περιλαμβάνονται τα τεχνικά των Ανισόπεδων κόμβων).


2. Στο τμήμα Πάτρα – Πύργος- Αλφειος μήκους 87,5 χλμ.,
Ο νέος αυτοκινητόδρομος ακολουθεί νέα χάραξη και όχι τον υφιστάμενο εθνικό δρόμο, εκτός από τα 14,5 πρώτα χιλιόμετρα έξω από την Πάτρα.

Επίσης στα πλαίσια του τμήματος αυτού πρόκειται να κατασκευαστούν :

- 35 Γέφυρες άνω των 20μ. μήκους 2200μ.
- Σήραγγες συνολικού μήκους 820 μ.
- 10 νέοι ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά
- 57 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις τοπικού δικτύου


3. Στο τμήμα Αλφειός – Καλό Νερό – Τσακώνα, μήκους 76,2 χλμ.,
Ο νέος αυτοκινητόδρομος ακολουθεί στα 46,2 χλμ. την χάραξη της υφιστάμενης εθνικής οδού, με πλήρη ανακατασκευή, υπερδιπλασιασμό του πλάτους και νέα βελτιωτική χάραξη σε όλες τις καμπύλες.

Η χάραξη του δρόμου δεν ακολουθεί την χάραξη της υφιστάμενης εθνικής οδού και παραλλάσσεται σε μήκος 30 χλμ. στις θέσεις : Επιτάλιο, Σαμικό, Ζαχάρω, Καλό Νερό, Κοπανάκι.

Επίσης, στο τμήμα αυτό πρόκειται να κατασκευαστούν:

- 20 γέφυρες μεγάλες άνω των 20μ. σε μήκος 1700μ.
- Σήραγγες και λοιπά υπόγεια τμήματα (cut and cover), συνολικού μήκους 600μ.
- 8 νέοι ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά
- 58 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις

β) Συμπλήρωση και βελτίωση υφιστάμενων τμημάτων

Στα Υφιστάμενα τμήματα Αυτοκινητόδρομου Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος μήκους 63,4 χλμ. και Παράκαμψη Πάτρας μήκους 18,3 χλμ., που θα συμπληρωθούν και θα βελτιωθούν από τον παραχωρησιούχο, προβλέπεται:

- Αντιολισθηρά οδοστρώματα με δομικές βελτιώσεις και εξασφάλιση απορροής επιφανειακών υδάτων
- Αντικατάσταση των μεταλλικών στηθαίων ασφαλείας με new jersey και στη μεσαία νησίδα εξασφάλιση λωρίδων καθοδήγησης
- Βελτίωση όλων των Ανισόπεδων Κόμβων
- Εργασίες ασφάλειας της κυκλοφορίας (safety audit)
- Έργα αντιπλημμυρικής προστασίας
- Ηλεκτρομηχανολογικές εγκαταστάσεις
- Σήμανση (Οριζόντια και κατακόρυφη) με σύγχρονες προδιαγραφές
- Εργασίες Βαριάς συντήρησης, σύμφωνα με τις ισχύουσες προδιαγραφές
- Ευστάθεια πρανών ορυγμάτων και επιχωμάτων
- Επισκευή και Συντήρηση όλων των Τεχνικών του Έργου
- Πλευρικές διαμορφώσεις με αποκατάσταση πρανών, καθαρισμό, φυτεύσεις, εξοπλισμό ασφαλείας.


γ) Εξυπηρέτηση Οδηγών – Υποστηρικτικές λειτουργίες

Για την καλύτερη διαχείριση του αυτοκινητόδρομου και την εξυπηρέτηση των οδηγών σε όλο τον οδικό άξονα Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος – Πάτρα και Πάτρα – Πύργος – Τσακώνα προβλέπεται η ανάπτυξη των ακόλουθων υποστηρικτικών λειτουργιών:

 Πλήρες ηλεκτρονικό σύστημα σε όλο το μήκος του αυτοκινητόδρομου για ενημέρωση οδηγών, διαχείριση της κυκλοφορίας και παρακολούθηση από τα Κέντρα Λειτουργίας και Συντήρησης καθώς και την ενεργοποίηση σε περίπτωση εκτάκτων συνθηκών.
 Δημιουργία 8 Κέντρων Λειτουργίας και Συντήρησης με διάθεση εγκαταστάσεων στην Πυροσβεστική και στην Τροχαία καθώς και χώρων για εγκατάσταση εξοπλισμού συντήρησης.
 Ανάπτυξη 10 Αμφίπλευρών Σταθμών Εξυπηρέτησης Αυτοκινητιστών (ΣΕΑ).

δ) Περιβαλλοντικά έργα

Σε όλο το μήκος του αυτοκινητόδρομου προβλέπεται η κατασκευή έργων περιβαλλοντικής προστασίας όπως:

- Ηχοπετάσματα , στις περιοχές με οικιστική δόμηση.
- Στις περιοχές ορυγμάτων αποφεύγεται ο εκβραχισμός για γεωλογικούς και περιβαλλοντικούς λόγους με κατασκευή cut and cover.
- Στις περιοχές μεγάλου ύψους πρανών επιχωμάτων για τον περιορισμό της ζώνης κατάληψης προβλέπεται η κατασκευή τοίχων ή/και οπλισμένης γης.

Οι προθεσμίες κατασκευής του έργου

Για την ολοκλήρωση του έργου προβλέπονται οι ακόλουθες αποκλειστικές προθεσμίες :

- Εντός 50 μηνών: ολοκληρώνεται το τμήμα Κόρινθος – Πάτρα – Πύργος

Αναλυτικότερα:
- Εντός 12 μηνών: ολοκλήρωση εργασιών στην Εθνική Οδό Κορίνθου – Πατρών για άρση επικινδυνότητας και βελτίωση κυκλοφοριακών συνθηκών.

- Εντός 20 μηνών: ολοκλήρωση αναβάθμισης του Αυτοκινητόδρομου Ελευσίνα – Κόρινθος.


- Εντός 32 μηνών:
 Ολοκλήρωση 15 χλμ. του Αυτοκινητόδρομου στο τμήμα Αραχωβίτικα – Πάτρα περιλαμβανομένων και των νέων Ανισόπεδων κόμβων Ρίου και Αραχωβίτικων.
 Ολοκλήρωση 20 χλμ. του Αυτοκινητόδρομου στο τμήμα Κόρινθος – Ζευγολατιό – Κιάτο.
 Ολοκλήρωση Αυτοκινητόδρομου 18 χλμ. στο τμήμα Πέρας Περιμετρικής Πάτρας – Κάτω Αχαΐα.

- Εντός 40 μηνών: ολοκλήρωση 75χλμ. του Αυτοκινητόδρομου στο τμήμα Κιάτο – Δυτικός κόμβος Αιγίου.

- Εντός 50 μηνών (προθεσμία που αποτελεί στοιχείο προσφορών):
 Ολοκλήρωση και των τελευταίων 22 χλμ. του Αυτοκινητόδρομου Κόρινθος – Πάτρα στο τμήμα Δυτικός Κόμβος Αιγίου – Αραχωβίτικα (περιοχή Παναγοπούλας με σήραγγες)
 Ολοκλήρωση του τμήματος Πάτρα - Πύργος

Το υπόλοιπο τμήμα Πύργος – Τσακώνα μήκους 90 χλμ. θα περαιωθεί μέσα στη συνολική προθεσμία των 70 μηνών.


Οι υποψήφιοι όμιλοι

Στην τελική φάση του διαγωνισμού συμμετέχουν 4 (τέσσερις) προεπιλεγέντες όμιλοι :

- Ο όμιλος ΑΠΙΟΝ ΚΛΕΟΣ στον οποίο συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες Vinci S.A., Ελληνική Τεχνοδομική Α.Ε., J & P ΑΒΑΞ Α.Ε. κ.α.
- Ο όμιλος ΑΠΟΛΛΩΝ στον οποίο συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες ΑΘΗΝΑ, CRUPO DRAGADOS OP, HOCHTIEF GMBH, LAMDA S.A κ.α
- Ο όμιλος HELLENIC AUTOPISTAS στον οποίο συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες CITRA, ACS, ΓΕΚ Α.Ε, ΤΕΡΝΑ Α.Ε κ.α.
- Ο όμιλός ΟΔΟΠΟΙΗΣΙΣ στον οποίο συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες MOTA, ENGIL, ACCIONA, MHXANIKH A.E., ΘΕΜΕΛΙΟΔΟΜΗ Α.Ε κ.α.

Kuvvaci
August 15th, 2006, 01:29 PM
Greece has wonderful highways, I like especially Egnatia and Patra-Athens very much. Whole country almost has paved motorways a little bit shorter than my country (than means Greek highways are much more intense). About transportation, altghough Greece is weak at air and railways, motorways and maritime is really strong. Only weaker side of highway transportation is intercity buses.

The view from the road between Korinthos and Athens is wonderful, but Kavala highway wich passes the mountains is amazing. one of the bests I have seen so far.

Do you have an actual motorways map?

Geroplatanos
August 16th, 2006, 12:54 AM
Greece has wonderful highways, I like especially Egnatia and Patra-Athens very much. Whole country almost has paved motorways a little bit shorter than my country (than means Greek highways are much more intense). About transportation, altghough Greece is weak at air and railways, motorways and maritime is really strong. Only weaker side of highway transportation is intercity buses.

The view from the road between Korinthos and Athens is wonderful, but Kavala highway wich passes the mountains is amazing. one of the bests I have seen so far.

Do you have an actual motorways map?

Kuvvaci thank you for you kindness :)
I would say that still Greece is weak in highways (though better then in the past) and railways.
Regarding air and sea i wouls say the oposite.Perhaps there no fancy airports but there are many many airports covering almost all the country (especially the numerous islands).
The same with sea travel , numerous ports and companies (though many with old ports and old ships).
Buses are the only way for travelling if there are no adequate trains. I also dislike the buses but there is no alternative , it is a monopoly (KTEL buses only - no other private companies allowed- very strange for a free market).
Like you said the part Athens -Korinth (and not Athens -Patras because after Korinth there is no highway) is very spectalar with beautiful views at the saronic gulf sea , and the wild rocky mountains of Attica (very few trees though).
Egnatia is simply impressive especially when it passes through the mountains.

Here is a small map (not perfect but depicts a bit the reality )

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7905/greekhighwaysuu0.jpg

Of course the red line means a DIVIDED highway and not just a fast road.

Kuvvaci
August 16th, 2006, 12:34 PM
Thank you very much my friend

spaceoddity
September 12th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Why no mention to SEIRIOS on PATHE?

(and why do the pages on this forum take so long to load??? And not only the ones with mega-attachments...I'm on 512Kbps ADSL and it's the slowest site I've encountered so far...and it's a pity, i would be here more often I LOVE this site...but I can't wait so long for the pages to load :bash: )

Verso
September 12th, 2006, 01:28 AM
^ I have a 1,024 Kbps ADSL, and it's so slow, it makes me wanna jump out of the window! :D (seriously)

Btw, are there any plans for construction/widening the road Thessaloniki - Evzoni (FYRoM) into a motorway?

skylinearth
November 26th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Great shots from the Egnatia motorway:

http://observatory.egnatia.gr/images/PHOTOS/Egnatia_West-052.jpg

http://observatory.egnatia.gr/images/PHOTOS/Egnatia_West-060.jpg

http://observatory.egnatia.gr/images/PHOTOS/Egnatia_West-053.jpg

Also, google earth offered us some great views from many motorways:

Athens:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/dshju.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/dfhdz.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/sdhu.jpg


Thessaloniki:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/fds.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/lh.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/fged.jpg

Egnatia motorway in Thessaloniki area:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/skylinearth/lkj.jpg

Kuvvaci
November 27th, 2006, 07:18 PM
^^ :okay:

nikolas
November 28th, 2006, 12:11 PM
Like you said the part Athens -Korinth (and not Athens -Patras because after Korinth there is no highway) is very spectalar with beautiful views at the saronic gulf sea , and the wild rocky mountains of Attica (very few trees though).
Egnatia is simply impressive especially when it passes through the mountains.
Here is a small map (not perfect but depicts a bit the reality )
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7905/greekhighwaysuu0.jpg
Of course the red line means a DIVIDED highway and not just a fast road.
It is curious, but I see that you Greeks almost completely ignore Albania as a transit country. Many international traffic projects are considering Albania. Even the Greek government is aware of that. For example, there is a motorway connecting Egnatia Odos and Kristallopigi.
Another thing is the so called Adriatic-Ionian Motorway through Albania (360 km), Montenegro (100 km), Croatia (550 km), Slovenia (35 km) to Triest in Italy. It is u/c in Croatia. Soon it will be in Montenegro. Many sections are u/c even in Albania. Next year it'll already become an alternative way to Northern Greece (check my links below)!! Nevertheless, all the Greeks in these Internet forums seem only to know about the Autoput (Skopje-Belgrade-Zagreb) as a land connection with the Middle and the Western Europe.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2389/3aj8.jpg http://www.geocities.com/nikola-jelovac/Adriatic-ionian-Highway.jpg

Christos7
November 28th, 2006, 04:22 PM
The road connecting to Albania is the Ionian Odos. If you read through the topic you can find information about it, it will run through western Greece.


Here is one of the maps I made: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3505/greece59ps.gif


And also I believe there will be another connection via Egnatia which in turn can go through the PATHE. So there will be two connections to Albania which can run through Greece 2 different ways and also to Turkey via the Egnatia, in the future ofcourse. The two main ones under construction and which are most of the conversation are being finished as depicted in Geroplatanos map, they are almost completed. Then construction should start on the Ionian.

Prometheus
November 29th, 2006, 01:04 AM
It is curious, but I see that you Greeks almost completely ignore Albania as a transit country.

I don't think it's being ignored per se, but there are much more important routes which are FYROM (and thus Serbia), Bulgaria and Turkey. Priority in recent years has been opening connections to the first 2 especially.

There's not really a reason to consider Albanian connections of more importance or even of equal importance to those ones. Besides, there is probably too much traffic from Albania as it is right now (and most of it is not the legal kind).

lakerdar123
November 29th, 2006, 04:28 AM
The road connecting to Albania is the Ionian Odos. If you read through the topic you can find information about it, it will run through western Greece.


Here is one of the maps I made: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3505/greece59ps.gif


And also I believe there will be another connection via Egnatia which in turn can go through the PATHE. So there will be two connections to Albania which can run through Greece 2 different ways and also to Turkey via the Egnatia, in the future ofcourse. The two main ones under construction and which are most of the conversation are being finished as depicted in Geroplatanos map, they are almost completed. Then construction should start on the Ionian.

ye it seems the connections greece will make are part of corridor 8 and adriatic-ionian highway (which Nikolas is a huge fan of lol)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3702/hggfud0cx0.png
red=construcetd
green=u/c
blue=waiting financing

nikolas
November 29th, 2006, 12:49 PM
It is curious, but I see that you Greeks almost completely ignore Albania as a transit country.
...all the Greeks in these Internet forums seem only to know about the Autoput (Skopje-Belgrade-Zagreb) as a land connection with the Middle and the Western Europe.
http://www.geocities.com/nikola-jelovac/Adriatic-ionian-Highway.jpg
What do you think about this (here above) ?:)
Isn't it then faster or as fast as the motorway via Skopje-Belgrad. Starting from Athens consider the Ionia Odos and the green motorway in the map below.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3505/greece59ps.gif

Prometheus
November 29th, 2006, 07:22 PM
It's important to take Thessaloniki's location for much of the travel south-north as the starting point.

byrek me mish
November 29th, 2006, 08:20 PM
who deleted my post

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
November 29th, 2006, 08:38 PM
who deleted my post
I, do you have a problem with that Alboboy?

Christos7
November 29th, 2006, 09:15 PM
It is curious, but I see that you Greeks almost completely ignore Albania as a transit country.
...all the Greeks in these Internet forums seem only to know about the Autoput (Skopje-Belgrade-Zagreb) as a land connection with the Middle and the Western Europe.


What do you think about this (here above) ?:)
Isn't it then faster or as fast as the motorway via Skopje-Belgrad. Starting from Athens consider the Ionia Odos and the green motorway in the map below.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3505/greece59ps.gif


Well, I think it is ignored because for a long time there was nothing there, and still isn't really. It is finally be constructed in all the respective countries so yes it should be a new transit route through Albania.

But it will still most likely flow to Thessaloniki, as that is a major hub.

The Green line on the map is very far away from actually being constructed, so lets not count our eggs before they hatch.

byrek me mish
November 30th, 2006, 03:44 AM
I, do you have a problem with that Alboboy?

w.e

edited my post don't feel like arguing again

nikolas
November 30th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Well, I think it is ignored because for a long time there was nothing there, and still isn't really. It is finally be constructed in all the respective countries so yes it should be a new transit route through Albania.
I agree with you. For a long time Albania (till 90's) was a black hole in Europe. But it is changing rapidly. So Turks and Greeks traveling to Northern Italy, Switzerland or France can in the near future (2007-2008 already) take the Egnatia Odos to Kozani and then to Kristallopigi. This is the Greek motorway to Kristallopigi near Kastoria
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6304/kastoriacorridor8co0.jpg
See what's happening there in Albania:
http://www.albaniabiz.org/corridor/index.html
For what's happening in Croatia just click on one of my links below.

nikolas
December 4th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Is it gonna be a motorway?
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6840/shkodrahanihotibi9.jpg

Giorgio
December 5th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Sorry but can you please stop posting about Albanian roads?

nikolas
December 5th, 2006, 06:08 PM
;10740513']Sorry but can you please stop posting about Albanian roads?
Sorry, but read my signature: I want to go from Split, Croatia to Greece and I have to pass through Albania!

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
December 5th, 2006, 06:31 PM
@ nikolas, get serious and stay on-topic,Giorgos is right.

nikolas
December 5th, 2006, 09:18 PM
@ nikolas, get serious and stay on-topic,Giorgos is right.
Dear friends, I tought that the Greek hospitality were something special. If you are not interested in your neighbors (Croatia, Albania), I can leave...
And you can visit our link below: Adriatic-ionian motorway (in English) and other ones.
BTW, have you ever been to Dubrovnik? Or Split? We are getting closer, dear friends, that's why I'm posting about Albanian roads.

Christos7
December 5th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Nikolas, it's fine to bring information so we can see a bigger picture of whats going on, but the information you posted I believe you already posted on the last page. It's fine to include some info about neighbors (afterall it involves them also) but remember this is the Greek section, so to much off-topic is not good. Lets just try to stay on the correct theme, and if somebody wants more info about Albanian or Croation roads they can go to that forum and get more info. Right? :) Nobody is saying stay away from the forum, just to keep on theme.

Prometheus
December 6th, 2006, 09:58 AM
Guys please the gent only wishes to discuss a Greece-Albania-Croatia connection let's make him welcome.

Besides, wasn't construction on the Ionia motorway supposed to be under way right now?

Nikolas, probably a reason you find not much discussions on this is because of the typically Greek penchant of taking too damn long to get the wheels rolling on these types of things.

It'a amazing really. The bridge was built to connect the Pelopponese to central Greece BEFORE the major highway(s) on either side being there ready for use.

nikolas
December 6th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Guys please the gent only wishes to discuss a Greece-Albania-Croatia connection let's make him welcome.

...The bridge was built to connect the Pelopponese to central Greece BEFORE the major highway(s) on either side being there ready for use.
Thanks for supporting me. I want really to go to Greece and to Athens in the next years. The Rio-Antirrio bridge is wonderful!
I visisted Greece long ago, in 1974. As Albania was closed to traffic we had to go from Split on the Adriatic coast all the way through Kosovo and Macedonia to reach Athens on our school trip. It took us 2 days!
Now Croatia is building a motorway along the coast. It is now open till Split. It will be completed to Dubrovnik in 2010. Montenegro is going to build its 100 km. Albania is building roads, too.
By the 2012 (the year Ionia Odos should be completed and the missing parts on Pelopponese) it should be all motorway till Athens (except some stretches in Albania, but it will be also a good quality road). About 900 km from Split to Athens: a 9 hour ride, I hope.

LEAFS FANATIC
December 6th, 2006, 02:50 PM
I have no problem with Nikolas' posts either. Also, from what i have seena nd heard, Croatia is a very beautiful country. Therefore, if such a highway is ever built, I will definitely use it to drive from Greece to Crotian and make a vacation trip out of it!

nikolas
December 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM
http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195604-88.jpg
Arta

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195628-71.jpg
Antirio

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195709-24.jpg
Antirio

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195853-79.jpg
On the bridge

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195737-8.jpg
Rio

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20061025-195915-51.jpg
Patras

This is already commissioned on the road to Split! Have the works begun on the stretch from Ioannina to Rio?

Giorgio
December 6th, 2006, 04:23 PM
I like your posts too and value them but id rather a separate thread.
Oh well, My opinion I guess.

TeToVaRi
December 6th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Nice pics, keep up the good work guys..

greecelightning
December 10th, 2006, 11:04 PM
A video taken from a train going from Athens to Thessaloniki at night, passing over a major highway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05lGcR6kp8

Anybody know how fast the train is going?

Angelos
December 23rd, 2006, 01:28 PM
loipon,eimaste 25 xronia stin EE,kai o protos europaikon prodiagrafon autokinitodromos eine h attiki odos pou ftiaxtike to 2004 an den kano lafos....ee tora eine xeftila mia polime 5 ekatomiria katoikous na oloklironoun ton periferiako to 2004?
Ena alo thema eine kai to autokinitodromos(o theos na ton kani) korinfos patra pou to oreo eine oti plironis diodia 2,50euro kai stin attiki odo plironis 2.70 :lol: ti na pis...
Enas alos autokinitodromos eine tripoli-korinfos pou sou gam....ei to ama3i
o dromos exi parousiasi poles kakotexnies kai apo tote pou ton ftiaxane den tou exoun jani kamia sintirisi :bash:
Tonizo oti eime 25 xronia stin EE kai den exo enan sosto autokinitodromo kai auti pou exoume eine skata ole

prisma
December 23rd, 2006, 08:39 PM
^^ Symfono me ta parapano....Oso gia tin proteyousa ton "5 ekatomyrion" ektos apo tin Attiki Odo OLOI oi ypoloipoi dromoi entos tis polis einai gia KLAMATA! De prepei na koitas pleon mprosta sou otan odhgeis.....prepei na koitas kato tin asfalto gia na deis pou DEN exei lakouva mpas kai glytoseis kana amortiser :lol: Stin Galatsiou ta teleytaia 5 xronia exoun kanei 3 fores syntirisi kai omos otan odigeis ekei exakoloutheis kai kaneis vouties se lakouves!!!! Alla kapos prepei na fane kai oi ergolavoi!

nikolas
December 24th, 2006, 04:40 PM
The Peljesac bridge on A1 in Croatia should become the second longest cable stayed bridge in Europe, according to its longest span (568m). The number one is the Normandy bridge, the third one is Rio-Antirio (see the pictures below), which has a 560 m span, but has three such spans.
This is the picture of the new Croatian bridge. The total length is 2300m, clearance 55 m. The construction begins next year and should last 3-4 years. As its Greek brother it will be a part of the Adriatic-ionian motorway.
http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/12/22/peljesac.wide.jpg
http://www.gefyra.gr/English/Technique/images_02/Tatara.gif
http://www.gefyra.gr/English/Technique/images_02/Normandie.gif

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6140/rioantiriowj7.gif

Christos7
December 24th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Wow thats very nice. :okay: Seems they will be almost identical?


Where in Croatia will this bridge be?

nikolas
December 24th, 2006, 10:01 PM
Wow thats very nice. :okay: Seems they will be almost identical?
Where in Croatia will this bridge be?
The bridge should be built on the A1 motorway Zagreb-Split-Dubrovnik between Ploce and Dubrovnik.
http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/8978/a1neumhipotezari0.jpg

Angelos
December 25th, 2006, 10:51 PM
exei pesi poli miza file mou

Angelos
December 25th, 2006, 10:56 PM
basika h malakia eine oti o dromos stin patra theorite autokinitodromos :S kai o dromos korinth- tripoli eine opws leme stin aglia dual carriege way diladi me 2 lorides ana katefinsi ala xoris ΛΕΑ.

nikolas
December 26th, 2006, 05:18 PM
exei pesi poli miza file mou
don't understand

Angelos
December 26th, 2006, 11:35 PM
greek stuff :P

Reaperos
December 27th, 2006, 09:54 PM
I am curious, can any one tell me if it is true the speed limit on the Athens motorways has been increased? Does anyone know what the limit is?

Angelos
December 27th, 2006, 10:58 PM
speed limit on motorways is 120 km on single road is 80km and inside a city is 50km

Reaperos
December 28th, 2006, 01:08 AM
almost 75mph, thanks bro.

Demis
December 28th, 2006, 01:35 PM
Has anyone photos of the under construction, or finished, dual carriageway or motorway [I do not know in what form it is build] Serres-Promahon? and any news regarding the Thessaloniki-Serres section? also any more photos of the Kozani-Ptolemaida motorway please?

SKLAVENITIS
December 28th, 2006, 07:26 PM
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Speed limits have no meaning in Greece. The purpose of posted speed limits are simply to confuse the stupid foreigners:)

Since laws are not enforced in Greece you can drive at whatever speed you like. (The probability of getting caught is close to nil - It's too dangerous for Greek policemen to drive on Greek roads).

In addition cars have priority over pedestrians in controlled intersections since the average car is heavier and faster than the average Greek person. (I am not joking about this )


The fact Greece has one of the worst fatality records in Europe is not at all the fault of Greek drivers, but rather its the fault of the "bad" roads.

And lets not forget that cars can park anywhere you can fit them, and they can even face the wrong way!

Scooters and motorcycles in Greece have all the rights of cars and also enjoy all the rights of pedestrians.:nuts: They can be of any size -even 50 cc mini bikes can be seen on streets. Scooters are normally parked on sidewalks and squares. On the roads scooters and bikes are not limited by any rules of the road so go ahead and drive them between and around cars trucks etc. and don't forget to tamper with the exchaust so it makes cool sounds!

I'm not so sure who has the right of way in Greece when it come to train crossings. Is it the car the scooter or the train?

Read here: http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.prnt_article?e=C&f=13214&t=01&m=A03&aa=1

And then there are the Greek taxis. I will leave that one alone.

*
Wishing all of you a happy, prosperous and safe new year.

*

Ardi_
December 28th, 2006, 09:22 PM
lol that was funny

GrigorisSokratis
December 29th, 2006, 02:11 AM
Now some measures have been taken by the state, and our fins come second after the french ones in Europe, where that system worked just fine, lowering the fatalities and accidents ratios as well as improving the drivers behavior overall.

So I think in a few years maybe 2 or 3 our accidents and fatalities numbers will decrease for sure.....I hope so.....

prisma
December 29th, 2006, 10:25 AM
^^ Measure by the state???? What about the drivers themselves? Most drivers attitude on the road is just scary!!! And because i must drive by the "coastal avenue" ("παραλιακη") almost every night, because of my work, the facts are THESE: First of all this avenue is a low-quality road compared with its importance.Second the state cannot be everywhere. Now, drivers, especially in an empty big road, like this one, late at night feel the need to do whatever they like...Most of all to increase speed as much as they can!!! As a result i become a wintness of serious car accidents every 3-4 days (or let's say nights!). And i mean serious, with wrecked cars, ambulances by the side of the road etc. And i'm talking about "everyday",family cars! This is really freaky!!:ohno: And i'm talking about "coastal avenue" only .Of course if you drive normally (or not drunk) :bash: you can be safe even in Greek "mediocre-contruction roads".

Reaperos
December 29th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Well as we all know there is huge a huge street racing culture in Greece, esp Athens. One way to tackle it it is Speed Camaras and one or two late patrols for the Coast roads.

KONSTANTINOUPOLIS
December 29th, 2006, 03:23 PM
"Greek Highways"

which means: Constructions,architecture,photos. The general disscusions are on the front page (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=494)


@Sklavenitis
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11067482&postcount=157

I saw your post before the edit.It seems that you didn't forget your old habits. Racial attacks are not allowed here. I will have an eye on you.

Angelos
December 29th, 2006, 07:39 PM
speed cameras would solve the problem with speed at motorways.Like england is full of speed cameras.

Angelos
December 29th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Here is a beatifull photo of Rion-Antirion bridge by night :banana:

http://www.daniilidis.gr/main/rion/images/494_67.jpg

Angelos
December 29th, 2006, 07:48 PM
The interchange at Alexandroúpolis, above, links to a highway that runs north to Bulgaria


http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/art/art04/0504feat5B.jpg

nikolas
January 9th, 2007, 06:39 PM
I hope you won't dislike this post! I think the Adriatic-ionian motorway is going to transform all the countries along the adriatic and ionian coast from Croatia through Montenegro to Albania and Greece.
As it was announced recently, I hope that Greece started to build the Ionian Motorway from Ioannina to Rio (192 km). The construction should last 5-6 years.
In Croatia (near Split, southbound), another 37 km are ready to be commissioned in a few months. The whole Croatian motorway section to Dubrovnik should be ready till 2010.
Here is another good news. According to the Montenegro government statement of December 20, 2006, they are going to tender the financial and project consulting of their two motorways (the Adriatic-ionian and the Northbound) by the end of January 2007. They expect the experts of the World Bank and EIB to participate. Further steps like projecting are going to be taken shortly.
http://www.vlada.cg.yu/minsaob/index.php

GrigorisSokratis
January 9th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Correction, it's from Antirio to the connection with Egnatia south of Ioannina for 196 kms.

:). The real distance for Ioannina-Rio as you mentioned, is 221 kms, but the whole length won't be included in this phase of the project.

nikolas
January 9th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Correction, it's from Antirio to the connection with Egnatia south of Ioannina for 196 kms.

:). The real distance for Ioannina-Rio as you mentioned, is 221 kms, but the whole length won't be included in this phase of the project.

Which parts are not going to be built?
However, there are some short stretches that are already commissioned: near Arta there are 6-7 km and near Agrinion there are 10-12 km. Probably these are included in your 196 km. My route planner gives the same distance you gave, but it is with the actual road. The motorway stretch should be shorter, isn't it? So, probably, everything will be built.

nikolas
January 10th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Can someone tell me where does this article come from and whether they mean the construction should start in May 2007. It is already one year behind the schedule, as I read somewhere else.
==============================================

Greece signs €1.4 billion deal for west coast (Ionian) highway

ATHENS, Greece: The government on Tuesday said it had signed a €1.4 billion ($1.8 billion) agreement with a consortium of Greek and Spanish contractors to build a 382-kilometer (237-mile) highway along the country's western coast.

"The contract for the Ionian Road was signed today. It will be ratified in January by parliament and construction will begin in May," Environment and Public Works Minister Giorgios Souflias said.

The deal was signed after the consortium comprising Greek construction firms GEK Group of Companies SA and Terna SA, together with Spain's Cintra SA and Actividades de Construccion y Servicios SA was named as preferred bidders.

It will build and operate the road, receiving toll fees for 30 years, investing a combined €1.15 billion ($1.51 billion) in the project. The remaining funds will be provided by the European Union and the Greek government.

The highway will connect the new Rio-Antirrio bridge to the northwestern city of Ioannina, linking with the Egnatia motorway that will span northern Greece as far as the border with Turkey.

http://www.geocities.com/nikola-jelovac/greek-highways-2012.jpg

GrigorisSokratis
January 10th, 2007, 06:32 PM
The additional kms not included are not from the current road nikolas, it happens to be that the construction of the new road will be from Antirio instead of Rio as you mentioned, that is the Central Greece town and not the Patra's suburb of Rio in Peloponissos, giving as 5 kms less (already covered by the 2 kms of the bridge plus 3 kms of existing highway).

The other 20 kms are from the Ioannina section, since this new highway is not intended to reach Ioannina itself but the southern limits of it where it crosses with the Egnatia road, so in order to get into Ioannina you'll have to make another 20 kms.

And that gives us the 221 kms mentioned, so the real construction of 196 kms of road is for the Antirio-Egnatia crossing near Ioannina section instead of the Rio-Ioannina mentioned by you and by many others.

nikolas
January 10th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Thank you! It means that there are 70 km from the motorway to Kakavia/AL.
One more thing! A motorway from Sagiada to Saranda (AL), about 40 km, is going to be built. Why not from the Egnatia? There should be only 20 km from the Egnatia Odos to Sagiada.

gm2263
January 11th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Detail of the Duchess Placentia (Doukissis Plakentias - Δουκίσσης Πλακεντίας) junction of the Attica Road and its branch going towards the Hymettus Ring Road (Περιφερειακή Υμηττού).


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture%202/AttikiOdos-DoukissisPlakentiasJunct.jpg

Full view of the junction as seen from the air, shortly after its completion, just to give you an idea of the complexity and size.

Picture taken by K. Vergas for the Athens 2004 Olympic Games Committee and was hosted in the original Athens 2004 site.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture%202/AttikiOdos-DoukissisPlakentiasJu-1.jpg

This is one of the three top junctions in Greece and one of the top 10 in Southeastern Europe. Not only you have two highways joining there, but also entrances and exits from and to another third major road, the Doukissis Plakentias Avenue, which traverses from north to South the area of Chalandri and connects Chalandri to the mount of Penteli.

Interweaved in this junction one may find a really big railway station where you have the metro and suburban rail lines to the airport, crossing (what the French call "Correspondence", in Greek "Ανταπόκριση). Note that the two-level rail station of the suburban and the metro lines is not visible in the aerial pic above, so, there's much more in this picture than meets the eye... :).

Albeit the area surrounding the station is mostly residential (except from a few office complexes including the "Ethnos newspaper offices and printing facilities) it is also a major hub, which, along with the ones in the Syggrou and Posseidonos Avenue, the Posseidonos and Kifissos Avenue to the south as well as the Kifissias - Attica Ring Road (the cake) and the Kifissias - Kifissos (National Road #1) in Metamorfossi area, which all have train and/ or tram stations embedded amidst the airbridges and the 6-8-lane major roads comprising these 3-4 level junctions.

All that is impressive for a city where prior to the Olympics was known for its chaotic congestions and inadequate infrastructure. But not today. As at now, within the next decade Athens is expected to add at least another 50 miles of mainly peripheral highways connecting the city to the coastal town of Lavrion and Rafina which are already functioning as ancillary ports to the main passenger port of Piraeus.

OK, no skyscrapers but, these are notably improvements that wouldn't go unnoticed in ANY country :).

gm2263
January 11th, 2007, 04:15 PM
Also, this is especially for you guys, not seen in the aerial above because it was added after the time of the photo shooting:

In the same junction is a rather peculiar bus terminal much that looks like a flying saucer. Too bad the lightting conditions were not at all ideal since it was late in the efternoon AND all that, on a cloudy day. I mean, look at this:


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture%202/AttikiOdos-DoukissisPlakentiasJu-2.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture%202/AttikiOdos-DoukissisPlakentiasJu-3.jpg


In any case I hope you get the meaning. Quite a remarcable and futuristic landmark that successfully blends with the airbridges and all. Quite unusual spectacle for Greece and I might say that it would serve also serve well visually some place in the Athens airport or perhaps at the Athens Olympic complex. If you go to find it, it is ot the north of the road airbridge coming from Hymettus ring road to join the main Attica road, direction Elefsina (to the west, that is...).

Just beware that the exits are a bit complicated there and of you stare at it for long while driving, you may cause an accident as vehicles are moving at a high speed frequently changing lanes depending on their intended path, either to continue to Maroussi/ Elefsina, or to exit the highway...

Strange, huh?

neorion
January 14th, 2007, 08:59 AM
I love it. Niemeyer would be proud.

Great pics :cheers:

kostya
January 15th, 2007, 01:03 PM
I think we need a similar roof at the the bus terminal at IKEA.

nastyathenian
January 18th, 2007, 12:00 AM
Here are some pics I took from within my car on Patras Ring Road and Rion-Antirrion bridge.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1646/periferiakipatras1dn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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MetroGuardian
January 18th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Does anybody know, who is the architect of the Bridge?
It seems very Calatravic, but I know it isn't.

kinggeorge
January 18th, 2007, 09:49 PM
whats the radar like in greece, in canada there crazzy with the tickets, im 18 and have 3 but in greece do they focus as much on radar?

LtBk
January 20th, 2007, 12:06 AM
I don't know, but IMO, speed cameras aren't going to stop people from speeding.
If you want less people dieing from speeding, maybe you should focus on training drivers at much higher speeds.

kostya
January 20th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Training drivers at higher speeds? It seems like you watch too much Top Gear, eh? :D

Prometheus
January 28th, 2007, 10:47 AM
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070126/greece_highway_project.html?.v=1

Greece Awards $2.06 Billion Highway Deal
Friday January 26, 10:12 am ET


ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Greece has awarded a consortium of Greek and Spanish contractors a euro1.6 billion (US$2.06 billion) deal to build a highway in central Greece, the public works ministry said Friday.

The consortium, Hellenic Autopistas, comprises Greek construction firms GEK Group and Terna, and Spain's Cintra and Dragados, a ministry announcement said.

The project involves a 175-kilometer (108-mile) north-south highway through central-eastern Greece, and a 57-kilometer (35-mile) stretch of road around the south-central town of Lamia.

The entire project is expected to be completed within 66 months. Financing will include euro500 million (US$645 million) from the state, of which about half will come from European Union funds.

In late December, the consortium also signed a euro1.4 billion (US$1.8 billion) contract for a separate, 382-kilometer (237-mile) highway along the country's west coast.

MetroGuardian
January 28th, 2007, 12:47 PM
So from the numbers, I conclude that in order to build a modern highway in Greece, you need about 2-3 mill € / km.


Central - Eastern Greece: 500 mill €/ 232 km = 2.15 mill €/km
(comprised of big plains)

West Coast: 1.400 mill € / 383 km = 3.65 mill €/km
(very rough terrain)


I think those are good offers, taking into account the geography of Greece.

GrigorisSokratis
February 2nd, 2007, 02:17 AM
Τα 250 χιλιομετρα Αθηνας-Καλαματας σε 2 1/2 ωρες

Υπεγράφη την Τετάρτη η σύμβαση παραχώρησης για την κατασκευή του οδικού άξονα «Ανατολικής Οδός Πελοποννήσου» (Κόρινθος - Τρίπολη - Καλαμάτα και Λεύκτρο - Σπάρτη).

Μέχρι τα τέλη Φεβρουαρίου η σύμβαση θα κατατεθεί στην Βουλή και το έργο θα αρχίσει να κατασκευάζεται από τον Μάιο.

Όπως δήλωσε ο υπουργός ΠΕΧΩΔΕ Γ.Σουφλιάς, η Ανατολική Οδός Πελοποννήσου έχει συνολικό μήκος 205 χλμ. με 26 ανισόπεδους κόμβους και περιλαμβάνει τον αυτοκινητόδρομο Κόρινθος - Τρίπολη - Καλαμάτα (158 χλμ.) και τον αυτοκινητόδρομο Λεύκτρο - Σπάρτη, μήκους 47 χιλιομέτρων.


Για το διαγωνισμό, είχαν προεπιλεγεί τρεις όμιλοι οι οποίοι εκλήθησαν να καταθέσουν προσφορές. Τελικά κατάθεσαν προσφορές ο όμιλος Ελληνικές Διαδρομές και ο όμιλος Μωρέας. Βάσει των προσφορών, ανάδοχος του έργου αναδείχθηκε ο Μωρέας, στον οποίο συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες Ελληνική Τεχνοδομική, Impregilo και Παντεχνική.

Βάσει της προσφοράς του αναδόχου, το συνολικό κόστος του έργου ανέρχεται σε 1,044 δισ. ευρώ. Η χρηματοδοτική συμβολή του Δημοσίου είναι 330 εκατ. ευρώ, εκ των οποίων τα μισά θα προέλθουν από την Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση.

Η συνολική προθεσμία για την ολοκλήρωση της κατασκευής των έργων που περιλαμβάνονται στην σύμβαση παραχώρησης είναι 54 μήνες.

Ο υπεύθυνος Δημοσίων Έργων και Περιβάλλοντος του Κοινοβουλευτικού Συμβουλίου του ΠΑΣΟΚ, Ανδρέας Λοβέρδος, σχολίασε ότι «ο υπουργός ΠΕΧΩΔΕ Γ.Σουφλιάς διαρκώς ανακοινώνει τα ίδια και τα ίδια έργα» προσπαθώντας η κυβέρνηση, όπως αναφέρει, «να αποκρύψει από τον ελληνικό λαό, ότι τα έργα αυτά θα είχαν εκκινήσει εντός του 2004, αν δεν μεσολαβούσε η κυβερνητική αλλαγή».

«Τώρα, μάλιστα, ο κ. υπουργός ανακοινώνει υπογραφές συμβάσεων, ακόμη και κυρώσεις τους από τη Βουλή, δίχως να ενημερώνει, ότι όλες αυτές οι ενέργειες θα έπρεπε να έχουν γίνει μέσα στο 2004 . Αποκρύπτει, ωστόσο, και πάλι, ότι ακόμη και μετά την κύρωση των σχετικών συμβάσεων από τη Βουλή απαιτούνται και επιπρόσθετες διαδικασίες πριν αρχίσουν τα έργα. Ένα είναι το δεδομένο : ως φαίνεται, θα γίνουν και οι επόμενες εκλογές και τα έργα δεν θα έχουν ακόμη ξεκινήσει», πρόσθεσε ο κ. Λοβέρδος.

Grk101
February 6th, 2007, 04:57 AM
Cintra to build and operate its second toll road in Greece

Cintra, a subsidiary of Grupo Ferrovial, has been selected by the Greek Government as provisional contractor to build, finance, operate, maintain and exploit the Central Greece Motorway (E65). The project is estimated to cost about 1.5 billion euro and the concession will run for 30 years.

This will be Cintra's second toll road in Greece, where it has already bid for a third project and is short-listed for a fourth (those two projects represent a projected investment of close to 3 billion euro).

In this project, Cintra is the leader (33.34%) of a consortium with ACS and Greek construction company GEK (33.33% each); Cintra will nominate the concession company's General Manager.

The newly-built road will come into service in approximately 66 months. The road is expected to become operational by the end of 2009, when part of the road to be built by the Government will be transferred to the concession company.

http://home.nestor.minsk.by/build/news/2007/02/0506.html

nikolas
February 6th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Central - Eastern Greece: 500 mill €/ 232 km = 2.15 mill €/km
(comprised of big plains)
West Coast: 1.400 mill € / 383 km = 3.65 mill €/km
(very rough terrain)
I think those are good offers, taking into account the geography of Greece.
It is incredibly cheap!
I am very happy that the E65 is going to be built as a motorway. It is, however, a surprise to me, since I believed that it was not a priority to Greece.
It is the shortest way to Croatia and Italy (Triest). As you know the Adriatic motorway is already operating in Croatia up to the town of Split. The complete stretch will be commissioned till 2010 - up to Dubrovnik.
Athens-Lamia-Kallithea-Grevena-Kastoria-Kristallopigi(GR)-Pogradec(AL)-Elbasan-Tirana-Podgorica(MONTENEGRO)-Dubrovnik(HR): about 900-950km or 8-9 hours! :nuts:

Angelos
March 9th, 2007, 06:13 PM
koitaxte ti brika http://www.ggde.gr/ggde/el/prokiriksi_view.jsp?cat=26&news=391


eine san na leme speed cameras ?

nastyathenian
March 10th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Although I am a freeway fan, I want them built where they are really needed. The proposed E65 is a huge exaggeration, as well as the freeways south of Pyrgos and Tripolis. Does a town of 15,000 inhabitants (Sparta) need to be connected with a 4-lane freeway? The road south of Pyrgos has very little traffic, usually 5-6 cars per minute per direction. I would be happier if instead of them a series of urban freeways were built in Athens, pulling down apartment buildings where necessary.

Angelos
March 10th, 2007, 11:29 AM
koita file mou,eime apo tin sparti kai pragmatika xreiazete enan autokinitodromo.o dromos pou tin enoni me tin tripoli eine apelpisia,exoun gini pola atiximata kai ta sabatokiriaka h kinisi eine apelpistiki.Kai to alo eine oti h anatoliki peloponisos eine poli ipoanaptikti aki pragmatika xreiazete enan autokinitodromo.den exi kana sidirodromiki grami.h poli eine san apomonomeni apo tis ales.

nastyathenian
March 11th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Everyone would love a four-lane freeway leading to his/her town or village. That does not mean that this solution is cost-efficient, or that it develops the area concerned.
The freeway between Korinthos and Tripoli has been there since 1990. Does this mean that Arcadia prefecture has developed? Not at all.
Certainly that freeway is necessary, as it means a spectacular cut in travel time between the two towns: from two hours to one. Moreover it eases access from Athens to central, southern and eastern Peloponese.
On the contrary, the branch towards Sparta will be underused. The whole Lakonia prefecture has 100,000 inhabitants. Additionally, when the freeway is completed, the cut in travel time between Tripoli and Sparta will not be significant, because the route it follows is not straight.

PAOK-4-ULTRA
March 14th, 2007, 12:01 AM
Giasas Paidia, tha eixa mia erotisi...
Mipos kapoios exei Foto, oi kapoia nea gia ton Autokinitodromo Thessalonikis-Promaxona;;;;

Otan vlepo xartes tis egnatia, diavazo oti tha teleiosi to 2008-2009, otan omos pernao ego ston dromo den vlepo na koinite apolitos tipota.
Kserei mipos kaneis an exoun piasei doulia ;;;;

Angelos
March 15th, 2007, 03:01 PM
ΔΗΛΩΣΕΙΣ

ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΥ ΠΕΧΩΔΕ κ. ΓΙΩΡΓΟΥ ΣΟΥΦΛΙΑ
κατά την κατάθεση στη Βουλή προς κύρωση της σύμβασης
για την Ιόνια Οδό

Ο Υπουργός ΠΕΧΩΔΕ κ. Γιώργος Σουφλιάς έκανε την ακόλουθη δήλωση :

«Σήμερα κατατίθεται στην Βουλή για κύρωση η υπογραφείσα τον Δεκέμβριο σύμβαση για την κατασκευή της Ιόνιας Οδού με την μέθοδο της παραχώρησης. Μετά την κύρωση από την Βουλή αρχίζουν εντός του Μαΐου οι εργασίες κατασκευής του έργου.

Υπενθυμίζω ότι έχει ήδη κυρωθεί στη Βουλή η σύμβαση για την Υποθαλάσσια Οδό στη Θεσσαλονίκη, υπογράψαμε τη σύμβαση για το Κόρινθος-Τρίπολη-Καλαμάτα και Λεύκτρο-Σπάρτη, η οποία και θα κατατεθεί στη Βουλή για κύρωση εντός του Μαρτίου, ενώ επίκειται η υπογραφή των συμβάσεων για το τμήμα της ΠΑΘΕ Μαλιακός-Κλειδί και για τον αυτοκινητόδρομο Κεντρικής Ελλάδας, (Ε65).

Στην τελική ευθεία της συμβασιοποίησης βρίσκεται και το μεγαλύτερο από τα μεγάλα αυτά έργα, ο οδικός άξονας Ελευσίνα-Κόρινθος-Πάτρα-Πύργος-Τσακώνα για τον οποίο κατατέθηκαν στις 18 Δεκ. 2006 οι τελικές προσφορές των υποψηφίων, έχουν ήδη ολοκληρωθεί οι σχετικοί έλεγχοι από την αρμόδια επιτροπή και επίκειται η ανάδειξη του προσωρινού μειοδότη. Ολοκληρώθηκαν τέλος οι μελέτες και επίκειται η δημοπράτηση και των νέων Οδικών Έργων Αττικής.

Το πρόγραμμα «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ», μαζί με τα άλλα δημόσια έργα, συναποτελούν ένα πρωτόγνωρο πρόγραμμα έργων, το οποίο έχει ήδη θέσει σε εφαρμογή το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ. Πρόκειται για το μεγαλύτερο πρόγραμμα έργων υποδομής που γνώρισε ποτέ η χώρα και ένα από τα μεγαλύτερα στην Ευρώπη. Συνολικού ύψους 16 δισ. ευρώ. Μέχρι σήμερα, έχουμε ήδη δημοπρατήσει έργα ύψους 15,0 δισ. ευρώ. Έχουμε δηλαδή υπερπενταπλάσιο ετήσιο ρυθμό δημοπράτησης από τον αντίστοιχο της δεκαετίας 1994-2003, στην οποία δημοπρατήθηκαν συνολικά περίπου 10,2 δισ. ευρώ.

Είναι ένα τεράστιο αναπτυξιακό πρόγραμμα, που στην κυριολεξία αλλάζει τον χάρτη της Ελλάδας και της παραμέτρους ανάπτυξής της. Υπερδιπλασιάζεται το δίκτυο των σύγχρονων Ελληνικών αυτοκινητοδρόμων, χωρίς μάλιστα να υπολογίζονται και τα 670 χλμ. της Εγνατίας Οδού.

Επιπλέον, πρέπει να τονίσω ότι η κατασκευή του προγράμματος «ΔΡΟΜΟΙ ΑΝΑΠΤΥΞΗΣ» είναι ένα σπουδαίο επενδυτικό γεγονός, αφού θα επενδυθούν ιδιωτικά κεφάλαια από το εξωτερικό και από τη χώρα μας, ύψους 6,0 δισ. ευρώ την εξαετία 2007-2012.

Η δημιουργία της Ιόνιας Οδού, είναι ένα όνειρο δεκαετιών για τους κατοίκους της Δυτικής Ελλάδας και της Ηπείρου. Ο νέος κλειστός αυτοκινητόδρομος ευρωπαϊκών προδιαγραφών που θα δημιουργηθεί είναι δεδομένο ότι θα βάλει σε νέα τροχιά ανάπτυξης την ευρύτερη περιοχή της Ηπείρου και της Δυτικής Ελλάδας.

Θέλω από την αρχή να επισημάνω ότι με τις υπογραφείσες μεταξύ του παραχωρησιούχου και τραπεζών 40 δανειακές συμβάσεις, είναι πλήρως εξασφαλισμένη η χρηματοδότηση του έργου. Και μάλιστα, επισημαίνω ότι δεν θα υπάρχει εγγύηση του ελληνικού δημοσίου, σε αντίθεση με ό,τι συνέβαινε στα έργα που κατασκευάστηκαν μέχρι σήμερα με συμβάσεις παραχώρησης.

Η Ιόνια Οδός ως έργο παραχώρησης έχει μήκος 382 χλμ., με 42 ανισόπεδους κόμβους και περιλαμβάνει:

α) τον αυτοκινητόδρομο «Ιόνια Οδός» μήκους περίπου 196 χλμ. από Αντίρριο έως Ιωάννινα (Ανισόπεδος Κόμβος με Εγνατία Οδό).
β) τμήμα του αυτοκινητόδρομο ΠΑΘΕ μήκους περίπου 175 χλμ. από τον Ανισόπεδο Κόμβο Μεταμόρφωσης έως τη Σκάρφεια, μετά τα Καμένα Βούρλα.
γ) τον συνδετήριο κλάδο του ΠΑΘΕ Σχηματάρι–Χαλκίδα μήκους 11 χλμ.

Μέχρι το Μάρτιο του 2004 είχε γίνει μόνο η προεπιλογή των Ομίλων και μάλιστα κατά ανορθόδοξο τρόπο, αφού δεν είχαν γίνει ούτε στοιχειώδεις μελέτες που θα καθόριζαν με ανεκτή προσέγγιση έστω, το φυσικό αντικείμενο και φυσικά δεν είχε οριστικοποιηθεί η Χάραξη.

Χρειάστηκε η εντατική προσπάθεια των αρμόδιων υπηρεσιών, της πολιτικής ηγεσίας, των μελετητών και συμβούλων, να οριστικοποιηθεί η χάραξη και να εκπονηθούν από τον Απρίλιο του 2004 και μετά όλες αναγκαίες μελέτες οδοποιίας, περιβαλλοντικές, γεωλογικές και να συνταχθούν τα τελικά τεύχη δημοπράτησης.

Ένα πλήθος μελετητών (οδοποιοί, περιβαλλοντολόγοι, συγκοινωνιολόγοι, γεωλόγοι κ.α.) έκαναν μαζί με τα στελέχη του ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ μία γιγάντια προσπάθεια για να ολοκληρωθούν οι μελέτες. Οι όμιλοι κατέθεσαν τις τελικές προσφορές τους στις 14 Φεβρουαρίου 2006. Στις 8 Μαΐου αναδείχθηκε ο προσωρινός ανάδοχος, στις 19 Δεκεμβρίου υπογράψαμε τη σύμβαση, συντάξαμε στη συνέχεια την αναλυτική Εισηγητική Έκθεση και το Σχέδιο Νόμου, ολοκληρώσαμε τις διαδικασίες ελέγχου από την ΚΕΝΕ και το Γενικό Λογιστήριο και των υπογραφών από τους συναρμόδιους Υπουργούς και σήμερα καταθέτουμε στη Βουλή το Σχέδιο Νόμου για ψήφιση.

Και ειλικρινά αισθάνομαι μεγάλη ικανοποίηση για αυτό. Διότι με τη μέθοδο των παραχωρήσεων, έχουμε τη δυνατότητα να κατασκευάσουμε μεγάλα έργα υποδομής που αλλάζουν την Ελλάδα, χωρίς να επιβαρύνουμε το δημόσιο χρέος.

Για το διαγωνισμό, είχαν προεπιλεγεί 4 όμιλοι οι οποίοι εκλήθησαν να καταθέσουν προσφορές. Τελικά κατάθεσαν προσφορές οι 2 όμιλοι: ο όμιλος ΑΙΑΣ και ο όμιλος Hellenic Autopistas.

Η διαδικασία ανάδειξης του αναδόχου έγινε με πλήρη διαφάνεια. Βασίζεται σε μία σειρά κριτηρίων, προκαθορισμένου βάρους το καθένα, τα οποία ήταν όλα γνωστά στους διαγωνιζόμενους προ της καταθέσεως των προσφορών τους. Παρουσία των διαγωνιζομένων, άνοιξαν οι οικονομικές προσφορές, εφαρμόστηκε ο αλγόριθμος αξιολόγησης, ο οποίος ήταν επίσης γνωστός στους διαγωνιζόμενους προ της καταθέσεως των προσφορών τους και αναδείχθηκε ο ανάδοχος.

Βάσει των προσφορών, ανάδοχος του έργου, με την πλέον συμφέρουσα για το ελληνικό δημόσιο οικονομική προσφορά, αναδείχθηκε ο Όμιλος Hellenic Autopistas. Συμμετέχουν οι εταιρείες : CINTRA S.A., ΓΕΚ ΑΕ, DRAGADOS S.A., TEΡNA A.E., κ.α.

Βάσει της προσφοράς του αναδόχου, το συνολικό κόστος του έργου ανέρχεται σε 1,4 δισ. ευρώ. Ο προϋπολογισμός του έργου είναι διπλάσιος από τον προϋπολογισμό του έργου Ρίο-Αντίρριο.

Η χρηματοδοτική συμβολή του δημοσίου είναι 330 εκατομμύρια ευρώ, εκ των οποίων τα μισά θα προέλθουν από την Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση.

Στις υποχρεώσεις του παραχωρησιούχου περιλαμβάνονται και η λειτουργία και συντήρηση των δρόμων της παραχώρησης, έναντι είσπραξης διοδίων. Στο σημείο αυτό θέλω να επισημάνω ότι λύνουμε με τον καλλίτερο τρόπο, για τους εργαζόμενους στο Ταμείο Εθνικής Οδοποιίας, (ΤΕΟ), το δύσκολο πρόβλημα της μεταβίβασης της ευθύνης της είσπραξης διοδίων, από το ΤΕΟ στον παραχωρησιούχο. Συγκεκριμένα, και οι 126 υπάλληλοι, Μόνιμοι αλλά και Αορίστου Χρόνου, που υπηρετούν σήμερα στα μεταβιβαζόμενα στον παραχωρησιούχο, διόδια των Αφιδνών, του Σχηματαρίου και της Τραγάνας, μπορούν ελεύθερα να επιλέξουν ανάμεσα στις παρακάτω τρεις λύσεις:

• Να συνεχίσουν την εργασία τους με τον παραχωρησιούχο, ο οποίος υποχρεούται να προσλάβει κατ’ απόλυτη προτεραιότητα, τουλάχιστον 45 από αυτούς.
• Να μεταταγούν με αίτησή τους, και με το ίδιο ακριβώς εργασιακό καθεστώς και σύμφωνα με τις υπηρεσιακές ανάγκες, σε κενές ή προσωποπαγείς θέσεις του ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ, άλλων δημοσίων υπηρεσιών ή Ν.Π.Δ.Δ.
• Όσοι εξ΄ αυτών συμπληρώνουν μέχρι την 31.12.2012 δικαίωμα σύνταξης, να συνταξιοδοτηθούν άμεσα με αναγνώριση του πλασματικού χρόνου κύριας και επικουρικής ασφάλισης που απαιτείται για την συνταξιοδότησή τους. Η σύνταξη καταβάλλεται αμέσως στον δικαιούχο όπως επίσης καταβάλλεται και το εφ’ άπαξ χρηματικό επίδομα του αντίστοιχου νόμου.

Η σύμβαση έχει διάρκεια 30 χρόνια και η συνολική προθεσμία για την ολοκλήρωση της κατασκευής των έργων που περιλαμβάνονται στην σύμβαση παραχώρησης είναι 72 μήνες.

Παράλληλα, όμως, προβλέπονται αποκλειστικές προθεσμίες για την ολοκλήρωση τμημάτων του έργου ως ακολούθως:
Πρώτη προθεσμία είκοσι (20) μηνών, από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση των εργασιών στο τμήμα Μεταμόρφωση – Αγ. Κωνσταντίνος της ΠΑΘΕ.
Δεύτερη προθεσμία τριάντα δύο (32) μηνών, από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση των κατασκευών στα τμήματα της ΠΑΘΕ: τμήμα Υλίκης, τμήμα Ριτσώνα – Θήβα και στον ανισόπεδο κόμβο Βαρυμπόμπης. Επίσης προθεσμία 32 μηνών προβλέπεται και για την ολοκλήρωση του ημιτελούς τμήματος της Παράκαμψης Αγρινίου.
Τρίτη Προθεσμία: σαράντα (40) μηνών (στοιχείο της προσφοράς), από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση τμήματος Αντίρριο – Αγρίνιο».





Τεχνικά χαρακτηριστικά του έργου

Η Ιόνια Οδός ως έργο παραχώρησης έχει μήκος 382 χλμ., με 42 ανισόπεδους κόμβους και περιλαμβάνει:
α) τον αυτοκινητόδρομο «Ιόνια Οδός» μήκους περίπου 196 χλμ. από Αντίρριο έως Ιωάννινα (Ανισόπεδος Κόμβος με Εγνατία Οδό).
β) τμήμα του αυτοκινητόδρομο ΠΑΘΕ μήκους περίπου 175 χλμ. από τον Ανισόπεδο Κόμβο Μεταμόρφωσης έως τη Σκάρφεια.
γ) τον συνδετήριο κλάδο του ΠΑΘΕ Σχηματάρι–Χαλκίδα μήκους 11 χλμ.
Η διατομή του αυτοκινητόδρομου έχει πλάτος 24,5 μ. και περιλαμβάνει 3 λωρίδες κυκλοφορίας ανά κατεύθυνση με διαχωριστικά, δενδροφυτευμένη νησίδα πλάτους 2,5 μ. εγκιβωτισμένη με New Jersey.

Αναλυτικότερα, στις υποχρεώσεις της Σύμβασης Παραχώρησης περιλαμβάνονται τα εξής:

1. Τα Νέα Τμήματα της Ιόνιας Οδού μήκους 159,4 χλμ., που θα κατασκευαστούν από τον Παραχωρησιούχο:
Αντίρριο – Νότιο άκρο Παράκαμψης Αγρινίου, μήκους 42,9 χλμ.
Ο αυτοκινητόδρομος στο μεγαλύτερο μέρος του ακολουθεί νέα χάραξη και τοπικά ακολουθεί την υφιστάμενη εθνική οδό.
Για την βελτίωση και αποκατάσταση του τοπικού οδικού δικτύου, προβλέπεται η κατασκευή νέου οδικού δικτύου μήκους 33 χλμ.
Επίσης, στο τμήμα αυτό πρόκειται να κατασκευασθούν :
- 5 ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά.
- 2 Σήραγγες συνολικού μήκους 1735μ. και λοιπά υπόγεια τμήματα (cut and cover), συνολικού μήκους 450μ.
- 41 Γέφυρες άνω των 20μ. συνολικού μήκους 2800μ. Από τις γέφυρες αυτές, 9 είναι άνω των 100μ. συνολικού μήκους 1800μ.
- 27 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις τοπικού δικτύου.
Ολοκλήρωση έργων ημιτελούς τμήματος της Παράκαμψης Αγρινίου μήκους 13,5 χλμ.
Παράκαμψη Αγρινίου – Παράκαμψη Άρτας, μήκους 53 χλμ.
Ο αυτοκινητόδρομος ακολουθεί νέα χάραξη και όχι την υφιστάμενη εθνική οδό.
Για την βελτίωση και αποκατάσταση του τοπικού οδικού δικτύου, προβλέπεται η κατασκευή νέου οδικού δικτύου μήκους 38 χλμ.
Επίσης, στο τμήμα αυτό πρόκειται να κατασκευασθούν :
- 2 ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά.
- 1 Σήραγγα μήκους 900μ. και ένα υπόγειο έργο (cut and cover) μήκους 190μ.
- 9 Γέφυρες άνω των 20μ. συνολικού μήκους 1100μ. Από τις γέφυρες αυτές, 3 είναι άνω των 100μ. συνολικού μήκους 870μ.
- 37 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις τοπικού δικτύου (δεν περιλαμβάνονται τα τεχνικά των ανισόπεδων κόμβων).
Βόρειο Άκρο Παράκαμψης Άρτας – Εγνατία Οδός, μήκους 50 χλμ.
Ο αυτοκινητόδρομος ακολουθεί νέα χάραξη και όχι την υφιστάμενη εθνική οδό.
Για την βελτίωση και αποκατάσταση του τοπικού οδικού δικτύου, προβλέπεται η κατασκευή νέου οδικού δικτύου μήκους 39 χλμ.
Επίσης, στο τμήμα αυτό πρόκειται να κατασκευασθούν :
- 5 ανισόπεδοι κόμβοι με σύγχρονα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά.
- 1 Σήραγγα μήκους 950μ.
- 17 Γέφυρες άνω των 20μ. συνολικού μήκους 4760μ. Από τις γέφυρες αυτές, 10 είναι άνω των 100μ. συνολικού μήκους 4550μ.
- 36 Ανισόπεδες διαβάσεις τοπικού δικτύου.
2. Υφιστάμενα Τμήματα της ΠΑΘΕ μήκους 163,8 χλμ., που θα συμπληρωθούν και βελτιωθούν από Παραχωρησιούχο:
Διαχωριστική δενδροφυτευμένη νησίδα με στηθαία ασφαλείας New Jersey σε όλη την διαδρομή
Αντιολισθηρά οδοστρώματα – Ανακατασκευή οδοστρωμάτων, ασφαλτικών στρώσεων, δομικών χαρακτηριστικών και απορροής επιφανειακών υδάτων.
Βελτίωση Οδικής Ασφάλειας με επεμβάσεις στα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά για ταχύτητα 120 χλμ/ώρα.
Ηλεκτρονικό σύστημα παρακολούθησης της κυκλοφορίας και κέντρα Λειτουργίας – Συντήρησης.
Εργασίες Οδικής Ασφάλειας με ηλεκτροφωτισμό.
Βελτίωση όλων των Ανισόπεδων Κόμβων.
Επισκευή και Συντήρηση όλων των τεχνικών του Έργου και έργα αντιπλημμυρικής προστασίας.
Ανακατασκευή του τμήματος Ριτσώνα – Θήβα, μήκους 15 χλμ. ώστε να αποκτήσει πλήρη διατομή αυτοκινητοδρόμου πλάτους 24,5 μ. με διαχωριστική δεδροφυτευμένη νησίδα με στηθαία ασφαλείας New Jersey.
Ανακατασκευή στην περιοχή Υλίκης. Αλλαγή της χάραξης στο μεγαλύτερο τμήμα στην περιοχή Υλίκης για να επιτευχθεί γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά που επιτρέπουν ασφαλή ταχύτητα 120 χλμ./ώρα.
Ανακατασκευή Aνισόπεδων Kόμβων στην Κηφισιά (Καλυφτάκη) και Βαρυμπόμπης.
3. Τα Τμήματα μήκους 58,8 χλμ. που κατασκευάζονται ως δημόσια έργα:
Αγ. Κωνσταντίνος – Καμένα Βούρλα, μήκους 21 χλμ.
Το Σχηματάρι – Χαλκίδα, μήκους 11 χλμ.
Η Παράκαμψη Αγρινίου, μήκους 20,7 χλμ.
Η Παράκαμψη Άρτας, μήκους 6,1 χλμ




Πηγή:www.minenv.gr

Nik the Greek
April 2nd, 2007, 12:56 AM
Giasas Paidia, tha eixa mia erotisi...
Mipos kapoios exei Foto, oi kapoia nea gia ton Autokinitodromo Thessalonikis-Promaxona;;;;

Otan vlepo xartes tis egnatia, diavazo oti tha teleiosi to 2008-2009, otan omos pernao ego ston dromo den vlepo na koinite apolitos tipota.
Kserei mipos kaneis an exoun piasei doulia ;;;;

Jia sou PAOK-4-ULTRA.
Kita edo:http://www.michaniki.gr/newsite/erga_new_36.cfm
Exei kai alles aero-fotografies apo alla simantika erja se E-O Ethniki-Odos/Aftokinitodromos ktl.

gm2263
April 4th, 2007, 10:38 PM
Images from Attica Road - From Hymettus Branch (Papagos) to Kifissias Avenue - Attica Road junction.

As we all know, the Attica road is a system of highways driving around and through Athens and has greatly facilitated transportation in this city.

Here are some pics I took while driving, after been subjected to minor editing (cropping and rotating mostly) starting from the Y1 junction of the Attica Road Hymettus Ring section, going through the various tunnels built in the slope of mount Hymettus, turning left and reaching the Doukissis Plakentias junction and then going west until reaching the ring road (not visible in the pics and Kifissias Avenue direction downtown.

Photos taken on Sunday 1 April 2007. I hope you will enjoy them as I put my life in danger :runaway: :lol: to take these pics...

-From beautiful Papagos suburb driving to the Y1 junction of the Hymettus ring:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-ConnectionroadtoPapagosJ.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-ConnectionroadtoPapag-1.jpg


-The twin 3-lane tunnels of the Hymettus ring on the slope of mount Hymettus.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-HymettusRingTunnels1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-HymettusRingTunnels2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-HymettusRingTunnels3.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-HymettusRingTunnels4.jpg


-Reaching the junction leading to Doukissis Plakentias main junction

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-HymettusRingTunnels5.jpg


-In Doukissis Plakentias multi-junction (pic doesn't do any credit to its actual size) entering main branch coming from the airport, direction west to junction with Kifissias Avenue. My apologies for the bad quality due to the unlucky position of the sun at the time of shooting...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-DoukissisPlakentiasJunct.jpg


-Longest tunnel of Attica (and longest urban tunnel in Greece until the completion of the Thessaloniki underwater road artery (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=415152)) going under the area of Vrilissia, some 1,1km long...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-VrilissiaTunnel.jpg


-Towards junction with Kifissias Avenue...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/Atticaroad-Towardsroundabout.jpg


-Exiting the junction, now in Kifissias Avenue in Maroussi, direction towards Athens. Observe the top of the Atrina centre, and part of the "Monumental Plaza" complex built by Babis Vovos to the left.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/KifissiasAvenue-TowardsCarrefour.jpg

I hope you liked them... :)

Verso
April 4th, 2007, 11:24 PM
^^ :applause:

I like reportages, well done! Now I know where E94 runs; a long time ago it went through my city. :)

Will we witness any Athens - Thessaloniki reportage? :P

skylinearth
April 4th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Excellent gm...quite different from what we are used to see from you here!

The last photo is the great one...it's the finest epilogue!

gm2263
April 5th, 2007, 10:10 AM
Actually, besides tall buildings I like all types of infrastructures - roads, bridges, stadiums, metro lines, etc. A city needs all of them in order to progress as a metropolitan centre. I also respect all the ones interested in them as my first "cousins" although truth is, I definitely like tall buildings a couple of notches more :D.

I also like pictures of highways. I can provide you with more if you so wish. However, I consider the section on highways in Stadia.gr forum as the best that has been in Greece. The discussion takes place in Greek and I bow in humility next to the guys that really provide an abundance of information regarding the relevant developments in my country.

So, the ones speaking good Greek just make some coffee and click here (http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53) and enjoy this forum which is in page 94 at the time of this writing!!! :eek:

ovem
April 5th, 2007, 01:26 PM
thelw afokinitodromo kentrikhs elladas twra!!! :P paidia mipos xerei kaneis gia afto? pliroforiste me plz :) adios amigos mios

Angelos
April 6th, 2007, 12:03 PM
h simbasi exi ipografi.tha kostisi 1,6 dis euro.Xekina apo th Skarfeia,epi tis PATHE,parakmtei th lamia,diasxizi th dutikh thessalikh pediada konta stis poleis karditsa kai ton trikalon kai sinanta thn egnatia odo stin thesi tis panagias.

Basika stoixeia tou Ergou:

1:Treis kladous kukloforias ana kateufinsi me mesea nhsida new jersey
2:23 anisopedous kombous
3:6 stafmous exuphretisis pelaton
4:6 kentra ekmetaleusis kai sintirisis
5:sirages diplou klado mhkous 10xm
6:cut and cover mikous 620m
7:aples gefires 2,5xm
8:koiladogefires 6,3xm
9:pliri apokatastasi tou topikou odikou diktiou

gia perrisoteres plirofories www.minenv.gr (to arthro eine sto telos)

ps:sorry gia ta greeklish :runaway:

ovem
April 6th, 2007, 03:24 PM
thank you very much.. when/if it's done i'll enjoy traveling from athens to my home town karditsa by car on a great highway!!! :banana: DOMOKOS like HELL
and i'm sorry i used greeklish but i'm using macintosh and the greek characters are having some visual probz. ciao :)

Geokioy
April 16th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I post some sites for anyone of you (especially non greeks) who need to know the current condition of major greek highways:
All the greek motorways:
http://motorways-exitlists.com/europe/gr/greece.htm
In the above site you will see that exist some old parts that haven't been upgrated yet to a motorway (Tempi Valley, Maliakos and Corinth-Patras sections of PATHE). These parts are among the most dangerous-high rate of accidents with dead:ohno: Hopefully works are under way...but we will have to wait some years...:ohno:
Athens Ring Road:
http://www.aodos.gr/homepageattiki.asp?catid=4466&mediaid=59&rootcatid=4496&defaultcatid=4496
Egnatia Motorway (Igoumenitsa-Ioannina-Thessaloniki-Kavala-Alexandroupoli):
http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/en/index.html
PATHE Motorway (Patra-Athens-THessaloniki-Evzonoi)
http://www.minenv.gr/4/45/4504/e450401.html

Sodnal
April 17th, 2007, 02:10 AM
Is there a "Balkan Highway" leading north from the port of Thessaloniki and through Bulgaria and Rumania? That would really help increase the importance of Thessaloniki as the port of entry to the Balkans.

m@rco
April 17th, 2007, 10:13 AM
How has to be considered the European Road "E75" in Crete ? In some map (http://www.imbb.forth.gr/ewm2006/images/maps/map02.jpg) it has a "special design". It looks like a motorway which border an old road (90).
I know it's not always a "motorway" (multi-lane, high-speed roadway with restricted access) but is it a "highway" (american's meaning) ? Does this road have a "greek name" ?


I guess it's the E75 near Iraklio. It's like a motorway:
http://www.phototrips.eu/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=10431&g2_serialNumber=2
http://www.phototrips.eu/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=10407&g2_serialNumber=2

Near Bali, "classic road":
http://www.phototrips.eu/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11569&g2_serialNumber=1

The E75 in other places in Crete:
http://www.phototrips.eu/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11578&g2_serialNumber=2
http://www.phototrips.eu/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11620&g2_serialNumber=2


PS: I have read that the emergency lane can be used to drive on it !? Is it true ? :sly:

Geokioy
April 17th, 2007, 04:28 PM
Well for the emergency lane the truth is, that until recently the greek code for driving (series of orders and laws regarding driving) didn't say a word and people didn't know its importance...Nowadays and after the changes in this code, all the greek drivers know or at least should Know that this lane is only for emergency vehicles or for a short stop in case of accident or car damage!
So you sould not use it while driving in Greece!!! Police can fine you! However some greeks still ignore what is an emergency lane for various reasons and use it, especially in case of traffic jams. On the other hand when the traffic is heavy because of a bus or track, usually they step aside in the emergency lane, in order for the rest of the cars to overtake them. This happens because these roads cannot satisfy the neeeds of today.
:)

Skaros
May 4th, 2007, 12:38 AM
How has to be considered the European Road "E75" in Crete ? In some map (http://www.imbb.forth.gr/ewm2006/images/maps/map02.jpg) it has a "special design". It looks like a motorway which border an old road (90).
I know it's not always a "motorway" (multi-lane, high-speed roadway with restricted access) but is it a "highway" (american's meaning) ? Does this road have a "greek name" ?

PS: I have read that the emergency lane can be used to drive on it !? Is it true ? :sly:

M@rco thanks for the pics ,
When there is no a barrier in the middle (concrete or metal) , or if there are only two lanes (no emergency lane) it is definatelly not a highway. It is just a "fast road" (faster the the older roads).
The more appropriate word in my opinion for such a road is "ethniki odos" while secondary roads are "eparchiaki odos" (provincial road).
If there is a middle barrier and an emergency lane , then it is a highway.The greek word for this is "autokinitodromos". An example is the highway Corinth-Athens , Egnatia highway , etc.

In Crete a very smallpart is a real highway.

regarding your other question , it is obvious that when there is a limited width road there is no meaning for the emergency lane (ethniki odos and other fast roads).
But unfortunatelly even in normal highways many people drive on them (usually the low speed vehicles like trucks).




Some great news!!!!!!! :cheers:

http://www.vinci.com/vinci.nsf/en/press-releases.htm?OpenAgent&20070503-1745


3 May 2007

VINCI, preferred bidder for a second motorway concession in Greece



The Apion Kleos consortium, led by VINCI, has been announced preferred bidder by the Greek government on the country’s biggest motorway concession project.

The projects calls for the financing, design, construction and/or repair of 365 km of toll motorway between Athens and Tsakona, in the south-west of the Peloponnese, via Corinth and Patras. It also includes operating the motorway for 30 years.

The concession consortium comprises VINCI (leader with 36%), Hochtief of Germany and three Greek companies, Aktor (a subsidiary of Elliniki Technodomiki), J&P-Avax and Athena.

The works, valued at approximately €2.1 billion, will last six years. They will be carried out by a construction consortium in which VINCI Construction Grands Projets holds the biggest share (36%). The company will be in charge of the operational management of the project.

The project strengthens VINCI’s position in Greece, where the Group already operates the Rion–Antirion bridge under a concession contract. In addition, as part of a consortium comprising VINCI Concessions (13.75%), Hochtief (leader) and several large Greek companies (including Elliniki Technodomiki and J&P-Avax), it recently won the 30-year concession contract for the Maliakos–Kleidi motorway, which covers 230 km on the northern part of the Athens–Thessalonica corridor.

Success on this project illustrates once again the aptness of the Group’s integrated concession and construction business model. The new contract is both the biggest construction worksite and the biggest concession ever won by VINCI outside France.
It gives the Group a firm foothold in Greece, which still has major infrastructure needs and where the PPP culture is now well established, as well as a bridgehead into the Balkans.

The best option hopefully , a german and a french giant , time for a real autobahn in Peloponnese! :)

Grk101
May 4th, 2007, 05:39 AM
Bill on Ionian Highway ratified by Parliament
28 March, 2007

Parliament ratified on Tuesday evening a bill tabled by the Environment, Town Planning and Public Works Ministry approving the contract for the construction of the Ionian highway in Western Greece.



Voting for the bill were deputies of the two mainstream parties, ruling New Democracy and main opposition PASOK.



Environment, Town Planning and Public Works Minister George Souflias underlined the importance of the project for the country's development and assured the House that works for the highway will begin in May.

Source: Athens News Agency

From:



Can someone tell me (In English preferably) about the Ionian Highway? I am from near Messolongi and by the little part of it completed. Word around here was that some home owners refuse to move. (look at google map on the east of the completed part, there is a house or 2 right in the way)

But did that halt work? I don't think so. Other word is that the contractors originally hired spent all the money......

Can you all please give some info on the tunnels involved in the project. :)

Thanks in advance.

pilotos
May 4th, 2007, 11:41 AM
I couldn't find any info in English so there you go in Greek:


Ιόνια Οδός: Τεχνικά χαρακτηριστικά

Η Ιόνια Οδός ως έργο παραχώρησης έχει μήκος 382 χλμ., με 42 ανισόπεδους κόμβους και περιλαμβάνει:
α) τον αυτοκινητόδρομο "Ιόνια Οδός" μήκους περίπου 196 χλμ. από Αντίρριο έως Ιωάννινα (Ανισόπεδος Κόμβος με Εγνατία Οδό).
β) τμήμα του αυτοκινητόδρομο ΠΑ.ΘΕ μήκους περίπου 175 χλμ. από τον Ανισόπεδο Κόμβο Μεταμόρφωσης έως τη Σκάρφεια.
γ) τον συνδετήριο κλάδο του ΠΑ.ΘΕ Σχηματάρι-Χαλκίδα μήκους 11 χλμ.

Η διατομή του αυτοκινητόδρομου περιλαμβάνει 2 λωρίδες ανά κατεύθυνση με διαχωριστικό διάζωμα New Jersey και μία επιπλέον βοηθητική λωρίδα ανά κατεύθυνση

Αναλυτικότερα, στις υποχρεώσεις της Σύμβασης Παραχώρησης περιλαμβάνονται τα εξής:

1. Τα Νέα Τμήματα της Ιόνιας Οδού μήκους 159,4 χλμ., που θα κατασκευαστούν από τον Παραχωρησιούχο:
- Αντίρριο - Νότιο άκρο Παράκαμψη Αγρινίου, μήκους 42,9 χλμ.
- Ολοκλήρωση έργων ημιτελούς τμήματος της Παράκαμψης Αγρινίου μήκους 13,5 χλμ.
- Παράκαμψη Αγρινίου - Παράκαμψη Άρτας, μήκους 53 χλμ. και
- Βόρειο άκρο Παράκαμψης Άρτας - Εγνατία Οδός, μήκους 50 χλμ.

2. Υφιστάμενα Τμήματα της ΠΑΘΕ μήκους 163,8 χλμ., που θα συμπληρωθούν και βελτιωθούν από Παραχωρησιούχο:
- Αντιολισθηρά οδοστρώματα - Ανακατασκευή οδοστρωμάτων, ασφαλτικών στρώσεων, δομικών χαρακτηριστικών και απορροής επιφανειακών υδάτων.
- Βελτίωση Οδικής Ασφάλειας με επεμβάσεις στα γεωμετρικά χαρακτηριστικά για ταχύτητα 120 χλμ/ώρα.
- Ηλεκτρονικό σύστημα παρακολούθησης της κυκλοφορίας και κέντρα Λειτουργίας - Συντήρησης.
- Εργασίες Οδικής Ασφάλειας με ηλεκτροφωτισμό.
- Βελτίωση όλων των Ανισόπεδων Κόμβων.
- Επισκευή και Συντήρηση όλων των τεχνικών του Έργου και έργα αντιπλημμυρικής προστασίας.
- Ανακατασκευή του τμήματος Ριτσώνα - Θήβα, μήκους 10 χλμ.
- Ανακατασκευή στην περιοχή Υλίκης.
- Ανακατασκευή Aνισόπεδων Kόμβων στην Κηφισιά (Καλυφτάκη) και Βαρυμπόμπης.

3. Τα Τμήματα μήκους 58,8 χλμ. που κατασκευάζονται ως δημόσια έργα :
- Αγ. Κωνσταντίνος - Καμένα Βούρλα, μήκους 21 χλμ.
- Το Σχηματάρι - Χαλκίδα, μήκους 11 χλμ.
- Η Παράκαμψη Αγρινίου, μήκους 20,7 χλμ.
- Η Παράκαμψη Άρτας, μήκους 6,1 χλμ.

Στις υποχρεώσεις του παραχωρησιούχου περιλαμβάνονται και η λειτουργία και συντήρηση των παραπάνω δρόμων, έναντι είσπραξης διοδίων.

Η σύμβαση έχει διάρκεια 30 χρόνια και η συνολική προθεσμία για την ολοκλήρωση της κατασκευής των έργων που περιλαμβάνονται στην σύμβαση παραχώρησης είναι 72 μήνες.

Παράλληλα, προβλέπονται αποκλειστικές προθεσμίες για την ολοκλήρωση τμημάτων του έργου ως ακολούθως :
- Πρώτη προθεσμία είκοσι (20) μηνών, από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση των εργασιών στο τμήμα Μεταμόρφωση - Αγ. Κωνσταντίνος της ΠΑΘΕ
- Δεύτερη προθεσμία τριάντα δύο (32) μηνών, από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση των κατασκευών στα τμήματα της ΠΑΘΕ : τμήμα Υλίκης, τμήμα Ριτσώνα - Θήβα και στον ανισόπεδο κόμβο Βαρυμπόμπης. Επίσης προθεσμία 32 μηνών προβλέπεται και για την ολοκλήρωση του ημιτελούς τμήματος της Παράκαμψης Αγρινίου.
- Τρίτη Προθεσμία: σαράντα (40) μηνών (στοιχείο της προσφοράς), από την έναρξη της παραχώρησης, για την ολοκλήρωση τμήματος Αντίρριο - Αγρίνιο.

Source (http://www.knowhow.gr/ecportal.asp?id=31236&nt=105)

Grk101
May 4th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Thank you, I guess that will have to do. :)

Does anyone know why the work was stopped after 2001-ish?

Reaperos
May 4th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Is there a map somewhere on the net that shows all the completed sections of motorway in Greece?


I found this on a previous page:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7905/greekhighwaysuu0.jpg

Is it accurate, there really no continuous motorway to salonika?

pilotos
May 5th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Ok here are two maps that shows the current motorways network, and how will that be after the completion of the current projects:

Now
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/485778949_ccfda59dc1_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/227/489890035_c7384b2ef9_o.jpg
After projects completion:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/486369107_af31742581_o.jpg

Reaperos
May 6th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Beautiful, thank you very much. When do you think we are looking at completion of everything? 2015? Personally i cannot wait for the tripoli kalamata motorway,.

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 12:40 AM
I dont really know, i ll search tomorrow for details of every single project, but as far as i know the ΠΑΘΕ will finnally be a full motorway by the end of 2007, and egnatia will be finished by then also.

dewrob
May 6th, 2007, 12:58 AM
I dont really know, i ll search tomorrow for details of every single project, but as far as i know the ΠΑΘΕ will finnally be a full motorway by the end of 2007, and egnatia will be finished by then also.

if U can also find info about Salonika-Evzoni/Gevgelija section that'd be great. The road is great even now but it would be cool to see it full motorway

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Hm according to this map (http://www.egnatia.gr/flash/images/progressmap/PS_FEBRUARY_2007_GR.jpg)
that part is already a motorway, isnt it :?:

dewrob
May 6th, 2007, 01:16 AM
no it isn't mate. It starts as 2x2 in the first 5km after the border and than it turns in regular road with stopping lanes on both sides.

For some reason on many maps the whole lenght of the Corridor 10 is marked as full profile motorway altough there are still missing sections in each country along the way excluding Croatia which finished its share 1-2 years ago.

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 01:24 AM
I checked Google-earth and found that there is a 30 km part of thessaloniki-euzoni that isnt a motorway, but why the hell "egnatia odos" shows it as a full motorway?!pffff i ll search for that too then :)

Skaros
May 6th, 2007, 01:34 AM
Pilotos thanks for posting but the maps have many errors.
Reaperos the small map that you posted before was a very quick and not detailed representation of the current situation.

In Peloponnese the only parts which are normal highway (2+1 per direction) are:

Corinth-Tripolis, Patras ring road, and a small part between Aegion and Akrata.
Thats all. So its wrong to show that Patras-Corinth is a real highway , its just a fast road.
25 years we hear only words , the people of south greece and peloponnese have enough of this.
Now they said that we will see a Peloponnese ring highway in 6-7 years.
We will see how it goes.

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 04:04 AM
Yes you are right i got confused by G.E. , anyway i made a couple of changes, it should be more accurate now.

And here is the map if i was the prime minister of our country :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/194/485782404_332a7e61a4_o.jpg

gm2263
May 6th, 2007, 09:58 AM
BTW, is the Central Greece highway (αυτοκινητόδρομος κεντρικής Ελλάδος) shown in the above maps? Ι on't know anything about the status of this project although I should since in stadia.gr, they have an EXCELLENT thread in Greek about roads and some forumers do exemplary work.

Look here: http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53&start=2450, they are already on page 99!!!!!

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 02:00 PM
I know i m checking stadia.gr every day:)

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 02:44 PM
As for central greece motorway, i actually missed that since there was a cancel on the biding process, but they remade the bidding and it seems that works will start around july, the company that will construct it will be the "hellenic autopistas" concortium.
The road will begin from "skarfeia" in maliakos gulf and will meet egnatia highway in the "panagia" intersection.

And this should be the map of the road:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/486360239_fd8b59fe9d_o.jpg

MetroGuardian
May 6th, 2007, 02:59 PM
pilotos, great maps!
What is the program you are using to put layers on google maps like that?

pilotos
May 6th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Ehm i am just drawing lines on googlemaps :)
Plus my maps are not really detailed or accurate but still giving a good sense of truth i hope .

Reaperos
May 7th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Great work pilotos. If i were primeminister I would make you minister of Transport!

pilotos
May 7th, 2007, 12:50 PM
About the dates that all those projects will be completed here is some info i gathered from the web.

Egnatia odos: Motorway length=670Km, Project completion:within 2008, 165 km left and are currently u/c.
Motorway cost:4.4 bln Euro.
This motorway is part of the E90 pan European corridor.

Pathe motorway:length=730Km,Project completion:Within 2009,230 km left.
Motorway cost: :? bln Euro.
The motorway is part of the E75 Pan European corridor.

Ionian motorway:Length=382Km,Construction process will start within may 2007 and expected to be completed within 2013.
Motorway cost:1.8 bln Euro.
The motorway is part of the E65 Pan European corridor.

Tripoli-korinthos-kalamata-sparth motorway:Length=205Km
Project expected to be finished within 2012.
Motorway cost:1.044 bln Euro.
The motorway is part of the E65 Pan European corridor.

Central Greece motorway:Length=232Km
The project is currently freeze due to an objection on the bidding process by one of the competitors.
Cost:1.6 Bln Euro.
Part of the E92 Pan European corridor.

All those projects will give Greece a total motorway length of 2219 km , and the cost is calculated around 10.55 bln Euro.
I believe i have covered all the major projects, in case i miss something let me know:)

GrigorisSokratis
May 7th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Plus the Attiki Odos and the Thessaloniki's peripheial, which gives us some 2,400 and so kms. Good work buddy.:)

Nik the Greek
May 14th, 2007, 09:50 AM
Hello Pilotos.
And dont forget the the North-West-Higway of Peloponnes
Korinth-Patra-Pirgos-Alfios-Tsakona.
284km new Highway.
Your Map is Great.
I have a same map with all the Motorways and Projekts of Motorways in Greece, but i dont can upload my Map in this Forum.

pilotos
May 14th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Why you cant? sure you can, upload it here www.flickr.com and then post it for us:)

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Thank you Pilotos.
I must experiment this.

pilotos
May 15th, 2007, 04:36 PM
Few photos found on flickr:

Attica ring road:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/87921544_0aa373eee3_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/305933383_7b723fc040_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/290553770_9158525c55_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/140449138_88470f5122_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/140449136_5d223e6bec_o.jpg

Pathe:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/124773958_fa07d33e9c_o.jpg

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 05:21 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=499603771&size=o

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 05:23 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/499603771_dd3fcae69a_o.jpg

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 05:24 PM
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/8302251@N03/499603771/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/499603771_dd3fcae69a_o.jpg" width="968" height="1210" alt="map1" /></a>

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 05:32 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikos974/

Here my Map...

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 05:33 PM
Sorry Pilotos i dont can Upload may Map.

pilotos
May 15th, 2007, 05:50 PM
There you go:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/499603771_dd3fcae69a_o.jpg

skylinearth
May 15th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Thanks Nik! I can see the new ring road of Thessaloniki in your map.

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Thank you very much PILOTOS.
:) :) :)

Can you tell me,how?

pilotos
May 15th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Well since you uploaded it you just copy the link to the image from flickr and putting in into in here! thats all you do.

skylinearth
May 15th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Can you tell me,how?

You can also do that:

Go to http://imageshack.us/, click ''browse'', upload the photo from your PC, then copy the link referred as ''Thumbnail for forums (1)''.

Nik the Greek
May 15th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Thanks, for next time i know.
:bow: :bow:

Almopos
May 15th, 2007, 07:26 PM
The map also shows BOAK (Boreios Odikos Axonas Kritis)!

Pilotos, maybe you should post it on the Infratructure and Mobility's thread!

pilotos
May 15th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Yes i did posted it, and credit goes to our friend nik, thanks a lot for posting it mate :)

GrigorisSokratis
May 16th, 2007, 03:03 AM
+3000 kms!!!! :banana:

MetroGuardian
May 16th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Nik, this is so impressive, man!

But don't spoil us. We are gonna ask for more.

Nik the Greek
May 18th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Thanks.
Lets write about the Numbers for the Motorways.
I think the Motorways-Numbers of my Map are right.In my Europe-Street-Atlas 07-08 have the Ionian-Motorway in Greece the green Nr.A-3, the East-Peloponnes Motorway (Korinth-Tripolis-Kalamata) the green Nr.A-5.The next time when i drive this Motorway, i must look at the Motorwayschields what numbers have.Most People exchange the Greece Nationalroads with the Greece Motorways.
The National-Road in blue Nr.3, is not the Motorway Nr.3,but some times its right.The same with the National-Road Nr.12 and 63 its not the A-12.I think the Greek Ministry of Transport must give the right Numbers for this Motorways.
For example the Greek-National-Road 6 start from Volos go to Larissa-Trikala-Kalambaka-Metsovo-Ioanena-Igoumenitsa.And the Greece-Motorway Nr.A-6 is the Attiki-Odos!!!!!

This is my wish-List/exist Numbers of Motorways in Greece:

(A-1) : MK/Border/Evzoni-Klidi-Larissa-Aj.Konstantinos-Athens,nearly Piräus.

(A-2) : Egnatia=Igoumenitsa-Ioanena-Kozani-Veria-Thessaloniki-Asprovalta- Kabala-Xanthi-Alexandroupoli-TR/Border.

(A-3) : AL/Border/Kakavia-Ioanena-Arta-Bypass Agrinio-Mesologi-Antirio/Rio
bypass Patra-Pirgos-Kalo Nero-Tsakona.=Ionia-Odos.

(A-4) : Tavronitis-Hania-Rethimno-Iraklio-Aj.Nikolaos ore BOAK of English
NSAC North Street Axis of Creta.

(A-5) : Korinth-Tripoli-Lefktro-Tsakona-Kalamata.

(A-6) : Elefsina-Aspropigos-Anthousa-Ave.Plakentias-Leontario-Melontikos- Airport/Spata

(A-7) : Lamia-Karditsa-Trikala-Kalambaka-Panagia.

(A-8) : Elefsina-Megara-Korinth-Kiato-Xilokastro-Egio-Patra.

(A-9) :BG/Border Ormenio-Kastanies-Oristiada-Didimoticho-Ardani.
E.O-51 This is not really a Motorway is a Expressway without middle crash- barriers

(A-10):Maybe any Years later, Vevi-Edessa-Gianitsa-Thessaloniki.

(A-12):from A-2 to Port of Thessaloniki.

(A-14):Larissa-Farkadona-Trikala.

(A-16):Velestino-Volos.

(A-21):AL/Border Kapshtica-Ieropigi-Kastoria-Siatista.

(A-23):BG/Border Niki-Florina-Vevi-Perdikas-Ptelomaida-Kozani.

(A-25):Veria-Naoussa-Edessa.

(A-27):BG/Border Kulata/Promachon-Siderokastro-Serres-Langadas.

(A-29):New East Ringroad Thessalonik-Nea Moudania-Nea Potidea.

(A-30):Maybe Motorway of Rhodos.

(A-31):Maybe Motorway of Korfu.

(A-51):Lefktro-Sparti.

(A-61):Spata Athens/Airport Interchange-Markopoulo.

(A-62):Spata Athens/Airport-Koropi.

(A-63):Glyfada-Ymittos.

(A-64):Athens-Kesariani-Pallini-Pikermi-Rafina-Marathonas.And maybe
later,interchange to A-1 Kapandriti.

(A-65):Athens-Ano Liosia-Egaleo-Aspropirgos.

(A-81):Maybe any Years later, Thiva-Erithres-Megara.

(A-111):Schimatari-Chalkida.

(A-221):Interchange Alexandroupoli/A-2-Port of Alexandroupoli.

(A-223):Interchange Alexandroupoli/A-2-Town uf Alexandroupoli.

(A-291):Airport Thessaloniki close to Ringroad A-29

(A-642):Doukisis Plakentia-Aj.Paraskevi part from Attiki Odos.

pilotos
May 18th, 2007, 05:23 PM
You should also include the European corridors numbers, but still nice list, and btw i have no idea with their code names, i just name them from the region.

nastyathenian
May 18th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Παιδιά, το πολύ το κύριε ελέησον το βαριέται και ο παπάς. Είπαμε να έχουμε ένα μοντέρνο δίκτυο αυτοκινητοδρόμων, αλλά εκεί όπου χρειάζονται και όχι στα κατσάβραχα. Σχεδιάζεται π.χ. αυτοκινητόδρομος 4 λωρίδων προς Σπάρτη την ώρα που το κομμάτι Δαφνί-Ελευσίνα παραμένει 2+2 λωρίδες και μάλιστα έχει και φανάρι στα διυλιστήρια!

pilotos
May 18th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Κατσάβραχα η Σπάρτη;
Και δηλαδή πως θα φτάσουν όλα τα γεωργοκτηνοτροφικά προϊόντα στην Πρωτεύουσα μας, να σας τα πετάμε με εκτοξευτήρες πυραύλων;

Nik the Greek
May 18th, 2007, 07:26 PM
Hello Nastyathenian.
All the Greece is Greece, and not only Athens.
I understand the problem with the 2+2 lines and the traffic lights, by Dafni.
This must be change, and for Citymotorway must be have 3+3lines ore 4+4lines without Traffic lights.
But dont forget the 1+1lines are very terrible streets fom Sparti to Tripoli, and other 1+1lines between little ore big towns in Greece, with big traffic.
That was my WISH-LIST, i m not the MINISTRY of Transport to give this Projekts to build, i`m a little man in this World with big dream, for a very good infrastructur in Greece and little accident on the streets.
Look this Countrie that are not in Europian Union, and the have very good Higways = Croatia. www.hac.hr

Nik the Greek
June 1st, 2007, 01:23 PM
Hello my Greek-friends.
Why the Egnatia-Motorway dont have Petrol-Station ore Rest-area?
Is this a problem between Petrol-Firms?