i'm sure all of us know about singapore's all time famous Changi Airport built on reclaim land.
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4038/changi7lf.jpg

before being built, all international air traffic was on the ageing paya labar airport. it is now a military airbase
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3563/pl9zp.jpg

even earlier before 1937, there was the kallang airport, the 1st purpose built civil airport. (in 1951 kallang airport closed down, PAP took over the terminal, runway turned into a road, dakota n old airport rd to remember the area),
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2737/kallang1vj.jpg

Sg's 1st airport was built at seletar air field, now still operating for small or private jet.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1817/seletar7lb.jpg

however there is a 4th airport as shown on this '73 offical map shows here (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/singapore.jpg)
i took a pic frm google earth that look somewhat like an airstrip in the restricted zone:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7485/unknown2qc.jpg
anyone know what that is?

Clap! I am familiar with these. I love aviation also. Easier for me to explain to u. :)

There are 5 airbases / airports in Singapore

For your info, the vacant land next to Changi Airport is now occupied by third runway and Changi East Air base and soon to have aviation maintenance hub, air show exhibition centre and future Terminal 4 and possible extension of MRT line from Changi to this.

There is Changi West Air base - facing the no 1 runway (it is north runway in the photo) codenamed as 02L/20R. The second runway is now 02C/20C (formerly, 02R/20L). Third runway (shorter than two main runways) codenamed 02R/20L - exclusive for military planes. Soon it will be eventually extended to cater to commerical planes in future.

The last photo is the Tengah Air base - near Jurong West town - F16 planes frequently land there - this explains why it is restricted zone in the photo. :) Lim Chu Kang road nearby is used for emergency landing of military planes.

Paya Lebar is not entirely for military. It also caters to servicing companies which service commerical planes including conversion of passenger planes to cargo or special uses including Singapore Technologies convering MD11 for UPS. American president Bush's special plane codenamed as Air Force One (this code is used everytime Bush is on the plane.) arrived at this airport. :)

5th is Sembawang - military air base - home to all RSAF helicopters including Chinooks and famous Superpumas.


There is one small runway, fit for military planes in one of islands off Singapore in south.

so ur sayin changi airport offically only has 1 runway? (since 02L/20R is for changi airbase west) anw i went round searching for the sembawang air base n managed to get a shot of it here:
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9199/sambawang2ht.jpg

also after doing more searching on google earth, i found an air strip in (according to maps) pulau sudong, one of our southen islands (near pulau semakau, the landfill), i got a snapshot of it:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1520/sudong1dg.jpg

according to wikipedia, sg has 9 airports/bases, although it only ,lists 7.
Changi Airbase (East)
Changi Airbase (West)
Paya Lebar Airbase
Seletar Airport
Sembawang Airbase
Singapore Changi Airport
Tengah Airbase
if u add pulau sudong, where's the last air base? i also found the CIA map of sg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities/singaporeb.jpg it shows most of our airports...

There goes the 'military secrets'... :lol:

there are 3 emergency runways in singapore. other than lim chu kang rd, we have:
ECP outside Bedok Camp
Tuas West Road

the last runway, if i'm not wrong, is underground... :)

Underground???

we got a lot of military secrets.. cannot talk too much.. that's about it... :)

there are 3 emergency runways in singapore. other than lim chu kang rd, we have:
ECP outside Bedok Camp
Tuas West Road

the last runway, if i'm not wrong, is underground... :)

SHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Dun reveal too much......

oops... :runaway:

so ur sayin changi airport offically only has 1 runway? (since 02L/20R is for changi airbase west) anw i went round searching for the sembawang air base n managed to get a shot of it here:

also after doing more searching on google earth, i found an air strip in (according to maps) pulau sudong, one of our southen islands (near pulau semakau, the landfill), i got a snapshot of it:


according to wikipedia, sg has 9 airports/bases, although it only ,lists 7.
Changi Airbase (East)
Changi Airbase (West)
Paya Lebar Airbase
Seletar Airport
Sembawang Airbase
Singapore Changi Airport
Tengah Airbase
if u add pulau sudong, where's the last air base? [/url] it shows most of our airports...

Changi Airport has two operational runways for commerical planes (militay planes also can use them). Third one which is exclusively used by RSAF. This new runway will be eventually extended and serve the neighbouring nearby hangars, cargo terminals and also future Terminal 4. So Changi Airport will eventually have total of 3 operational runways that will be shared by commerical planes and RSAF planes.

Sembawang is not exactly airport for normal planes but for helicopters which why u notice it has special runway that have no big white "piano" at the endings of the runways as u can see in every airport/air bases.

there are 3 emergency runways in singapore. other than lim chu kang rd, we have:
ECP outside Bedok Camp
Tuas West Road

the last runway, if i'm not wrong, is underground... :)

couple-a-questions, when u say emergency runways, do u mean they're roads (asin roads, the kind with cars travelling on them rite now)? also, since its mostly impossible to see them, how would planes with (well since u say emergency) possibly no electronic equipments be able to land manuel?

also if u say we have an underground runway, i'd clap my hands right now, coz we'd be the most advanced country where aerospace is concern.

yes, they're normal roads. as for how it can be used, our SAF pilots are trained on landing visually. it's not that hard actually, but every pilot must go through some kind of visual-aided only landing training with just instruments on the plane itself. small planes use that and visual cues.. :)

as for the underground runway, i'll shall not divulge anything more at this point. if you had or are going to join airforce in your NS stint, u will know that these are not the only secrets that we have with regard to air defence and installations. that is considered nothing.

and we're definitely not the first. there are others in the world elsewhere, just that these kind of things don't receive publicity. well, let's hope we'll never have to use it and these things just be kept in the dark.

couple-a-questions, when u say emergency runways, do u mean they're roads (asin roads, the kind with cars travelling on them rite now)? also, since its mostly impossible to see them, how would planes with (well since u say emergency) possibly no electronic equipments be able to land manuel?

also if u say we have an underground runway, i'd clap my hands right now, coz we'd be the most advanced country where aerospace is concern.

Guess u did not catch the news.


During emergency, the military force will pull out all lamp-post along the straight road (if u travel along Lim Chu Kang, u will notice there is no dividers) this allows military planes to land.

Below is the information where RSAF held execrise for landing planes on the road.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2002/nov/10nov02_nr.html

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2003/articles/jan_03/rsaf/index.html

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/etc/medialib/imindef_media_library/photos/news_release/2002/nov.Par.0026.Image.gif?direct=1

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/etc/medialib/imindef_media_library/photos/news_release/2002/nov.Par.0015.Image.gif?direct=1

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/etc/medialib/imindef_media_library/photos/news_release/2002/nov.Par.0017.Image.gif?direct=1

:)

All aid of mobile control tower - this makes landing possible. ;)

yes, they're normal roads. as for how it can be used, our SAF pilots are trained on landing visually. it's not that hard actually, but every pilot must go through some kind of visual-aided only landing training with just instruments on the plane itself. small planes use that and visual cues.. :)

as for the underground runway, i'll shall not divulge anything more at this point. if you had or are going to join airforce in your NS stint, u will know that these are not the only secrets that we have with regard to air defence and installations. that is considered nothing.

and we're definitely not the first. there are others in the world elsewhere, just that these kind of things don't receive publicity. well, let's hope we'll never have to use it and these things just be kept in the dark.

okay... well guess the underground thing cnt be discussed...
anw, i understand all pilots (com or military) have to be able to land visually without auto-pilot or any computer guidance, what i'm trying to say is that since the roads are ants compared to runways, its very hard to land! whats more how'd u land on roads with cars all over them (not the tuas n tengah, i meant the ECP), n aint there bridges n tress everywhere?

oh n btw, will b doing NS in bout 3 yrs, is there anyway to request to get into airforce? i dun mind if its harder or anything, i juz prefer planes n flying to other stuffs.

ahh! nice pics! so cool, wish they had em in higher res...

Last updated on 19 Apr 2006
the pics are new i guess, also noted that on one of em, the road was curved when the plane was landing...

okay... well guess the underground thing cnt be discussed...
anw, i understand all pilots (com or military) have to be able to land visually without auto-pilot or any computer guidance, what i'm trying to say is that since the roads are ants compared to runways, its very hard to land! whats more how'd u land on roads with cars all over them (not the tuas n tengah, i meant the ECP), n aint there bridges n tress everywhere?

oh n btw, will b doing NS in bout 3 yrs, is there anyway to request to get into airforce? i dun mind if its harder or anything, i juz prefer planes n flying to other stuffs.
dun worry. like we mentioned, there's no permanent structure or dividers on the special roads, and cars would have been cleared prior to activating the runway. the plants are removable, no joke, bedok camp at ECP is guards' home. :)

if u have a PPL it'll be preferred. if dun have, u can still express ur intention with the airforce recruitment centre maybe 2 years prior to enlistment. if not, it's up to luck.

air defence itself (from runway crew to anti-air missile crew to technicians etc) is also no easy feat as it is combat side. pilots will have it easy though due to higher allowance and less time, though u cannot go wrong with an aircraft under ur control, u have to sign on with the airforce for a few years (no such thing as NSF pilots) and few actually make it (10% of intake, others will be out of course and sent back to NS).

sometimes I've always wondered if it are these 'unofficial' runways that REALLY determine the height limits of buildings here :)

if u have a PPL it'll be preferred. if dun have, u can still express ur intention with the airforce recruitment centre maybe 2 years prior to enlistment. if not, it's up to luck.

air defence itself (from runway crew to anti-air missile crew to technicians etc) is also no easy feat as it is combat side. pilots will have it easy though due to higher allowance and less time, though u cannot go wrong with an aircraft under ur control, u have to sign on with the airforce for a few years (no such thing as NSF pilots) and few actually make it (10% of intake, others will be out of course and sent back to NS).
whats PPL n how would i express my interest nxt yr (15 this yr), oh n i wear glasses (300 degress on both), will that rule out my chances? NS site doesnt have much info on this stuff...

o, n does that mean u do only air defence during NS, n piloting only after signing on after NS? (still nice though)

anw, building heights arent an issue with these runways, notice how they're all near the coast n near unpopulated areas.

PPL = Private Pilots' Licence. means u can fly propeller planes that kind.

think 15 a bit early, try 17 yo...

piloting u will sign on straight, but shld u get out of course u'll still have to finish up ur NS liability. air defence is the same as any other NS stint, it just depends on ur posting.

building heights are an issue. city skylines cannot go beyond 280m due to paya lebar airbase. it sounds ridiculous, but true. check out this thread http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=252482 and
http://e.1asphost.com/sssc/Aviation/Aviation.jpg

yea, well he said emergency runways, which are east coast, tengah, tuas, all near the coast, n yar im aware of payar labar being a problem, thats y in the seletar thread i mentioned bout the possiblities of moving payar labar to somewhere more remote.

oh n i cant take PPL til 18 right? n cant do that here either, seletar dun sceem to ofer it? besides isnt it VERY expensive?

I hate PLAB... :cry:

yea, well he said emergency runways, which are east coast, tengah, tuas, all near the coast, n yar im aware of payar labar being a problem, thats y in the seletar thread i mentioned bout the possiblities of moving payar labar to somewhere more remote.

oh n i cant take PPL til 18 right? n cant do that here either, seletar dun sceem to ofer it? besides isnt it VERY expensive?

Paya Lebar may be eventually closed in view of expanding housing estates and roads. Changi East Air Base may become home to all squadrons from Paya Lebar.

Paya Lebar may be eventually closed in view of expanding housing estates and roads. Changi East Air Base may become home to all squadrons from Paya Lebar.

PL is ageing... it needs to be reborn.

Hope it moves soon. I rather a new town to be built here than on Bukit Brown, Mount Pleasant and Bidadari Cemetery.

PL is ageing... it needs to be reborn.

Hope it moves soon. I rather a new town to be built here than on Bukit Brown, Mount Pleasant and Bidadari Cemetery.

i'd rather they build new town on those n payar labar, (or perhaps build the tallest building at a 180 stories :) here or maybe even hdb flats over 100stories there) to mark the height limit removal!

oh, n it was on another thread that PLB wouldnt move to changi since there's already an airbase there, its no gd put all ur eggs in one basket, so one of the existing emergency runways might be a gd place to look at!

Maybe one day build new airbase in LCK Murai area...

Paya Lebar may be eventually closed in view of expanding housing estates and roads. Changi East Air Base may become home to all squadrons from Paya Lebar.

But besides military usage, Paya Lebar supports other aviation uses right?

Unless alternative sites can support those uses, I'm not sure if Paya Lebar can be closed so easily.

But besides military usage, Paya Lebar supports other aviation uses right?

Unless alternative sites can support those uses, I'm not sure if Paya Lebar can be closed so easily.

not quite, paya lebar is primarily for military use, and "became a complete military airbase in 1981", so other than for MinDef charters, its a military airbase n nothing more. :)

I dunno...I have occasionally seen commercial and cargo aircraft making approaches to Paya Lebar leh...although the majority are military aircraft and military transport

not quite, paya lebar is primarily for military use, and "became a complete military airbase in 1981", so other than for MinDef charters, its a military airbase n nothing more. :)

Not really, blizzardtweaker.

Good observation, Rafflescity and you are correct in saying Paya Lebar Airport does support other aviation services.

Singapore Technologies has hangars at Paya Lebar where they repair and services commerical jets. :)

Here is information from Singapore Technologies Aerospace website...

"STA Engrg is an aircraft depot maintenance, modification, customisation and upgrade specialist, providing one stop maintenance services for commercial and military aircraft.

Our principal facilities are located at Paya Lebar Airport and West Camp, Seletar Airport, with total of eight maintenance hangars. We have a proven track record and expertise in a wide range of military aircraft types, including A-4, F-5, F-16, S-211, C-130, F-50, KC-135 and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV). Our commercial aircraft capabilities include B737CG, B737NG, A320 series, General Aviation, as well as helicopter capabilities for Bell, Eurocopter and Sikorsky."

http://www.staero.aero/www/businesssubsidiary.asp?subid=MTAwMDAwMDAwMDE

They also convert MD 11 passenger jets to all cargo jet for FedEx and UPS at Paya Lebar Airport.

http://www.staero.aero/www/newsevents_newsarticle.asp?newsid=OTAwMDAwMDAxNw&arc=bm8

Tengah, Sembawang and Changi East air bases are truly military bases.

Paya Lebar also can be double as emergency runway for commerical planes as its runway can handle large jets such as Boeing 747-400.

More information of hangars including Boeing 777 hangar at Paya Lebar. :)

http://www.staero.aero/www/businesssubsidiary.asp?subid=MTAwMDAwMDAwMDA

This is solid evidence - Paya Lebar is not entirely military. :)

Maybe one day build new airbase in LCK Murai area...

Lim Chu kang already has nearby air base called Tengah Air Base :)

Lim Chu kang already has nearby air base called Tengah Air Base :)
why not expand tengah such that it has the same runway length n handling capx, if still not enough put another small one at tuas west on the reclaimed land side.

oh, n since seletar is being expanded, more maintainence could be moved to seletar, with the remainder moved to a bigger tengah? n as for PLAB being an emergency runway, i dont see it as that much of a use, with changi n ECP being that near it.

I wonder how many airports/airbases this small country of ours needs.

why not expand tengah such that it has the same runway length n handling capx, if still not enough put another small one at tuas west on the reclaimed land side.

oh, n since seletar is being expanded, more maintainence could be moved to seletar, with the remainder moved to a bigger tengah? n as for PLAB being an emergency runway, i dont see it as that much of a use, with changi n ECP being that near it.


Largest will be Changi East/ Changi West air bases since they can use any of runways ;)

Paya Lebar airport can be instantly become emergency runway for the planes trying to land at the nearest airport.

Emergency on roads are usually during war time not for peace time.

why not expand tengah such that it has the same runway length n handling capx, if still not enough put another small one at tuas west on the reclaimed land side.

oh, n since seletar is being expanded, more maintainence could be moved to seletar, with the remainder moved to a bigger tengah? n as for PLAB being an emergency runway, i dont see it as that much of a use, with changi n ECP being that near it.


Nope, Tengah Air Base runway is not as long as Changi Airport's 4 km runway. It is meant for military use although it can be transformed into standby runway for emergency landing of commerical planes.

Nope, Tengah Air Base runway is not as long as Changi Airport's 4 km runway. It is meant for military use although it can be transformed into standby runway for emergency landing of commerical planes.
i meant to expand it such that it is as long as PLAB, and partcially for civil use, hence eliminating the need for PLAB

i meant to expand it such that it is as long as PLAB, and partcially for civil use, hence eliminating the need for PLAB

I doubt because Tengah air base is in military training area. So this rules civilian activities out. Another reasons, all planes leaving Tengah Air Bases have to take odd angle to avoid flying into Malaysian air space.

okay.... hows expanding tengah southwards for military use, and building a tuas west airbase for military n civilan use so flights and services from PLAB can be displaced into 3 airports: the expanding Seletar(mantainence svc), longer tengah (military only), tuas (military and civilian+ mantainence, n who noes maybe even budget airlines 737/320 traffic)

Why are all our runways orientated northeast? :?:?:?

Since PLAB is approaching nearly 50 years old, maybe a new base should be built in LCK. Since the other bases are undergoing works, PLAB's services may be transferred to them. PLAB land can thus be used for redevelopment.

hmm... anyone mailing this thread to MidDef? :)

pilot recruitment....

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/rsaf/flyhigh/jd-rq-tpl.asp?jobid=8

hmm.... not sure if i'll make the cut, m barely 1.62, somewhere around 1.61n1/2

Why are all our runways orientated northeast? :?:?:?

Since PLAB is approaching nearly 50 years old, maybe a new base should be built in LCK. Since the other bases are undergoing works, PLAB's services may be transferred to them. PLAB land can thus be used for redevelopment.

The runways are aligned to the direction of wind where the planes would land or take off against the wind.

LCK already has Tengah Air base - not likely to build another air base so near to existing one.

http://www.todayonline.com/Sunday/TheStRegisPerspectives/EDC111204-0000005/Commander-on-deck

Commander on deck
With a lifetime of leading others, as a US Navy Vice-Admiral and university chancellor, Center for Creative Leadership CEO John Ryan tells Lin Yanqin that good leaders need one thing: The ability to listen
by Lin Yanqin Updated 12:12 PM Dec 04, 2011
John Ryan's memory of his first visit to Singapore in the early '90s is not one of a Garden City, or the tropical weather, or the local food. Instead, it was a day of suspense and negotiation - with its leaders Mr Lee Kuan Yew and Mr Goh Chok Tong.

Then a United States Navy captain and the executive assistant to United States Navy Pacific commander Huntington Hardisty, Mr Ryan took notes as his boss met Mr Lee and Mr Goh on the possibility of establishing a base in Singapore to lend logistics and maintenance support to the US Navy in the region.

"We were in the Philippines where we had two big bases and the Philippine Senate decided to throw the US out of the Philippines," says Mr Ryan, now president and CEO of the Center for Creative Leadership (CCL), which specialises in leadership education and coaching and is ranked by the Financial Times among the global top 10 for executive education.

The Singapore Government, says Mr Ryan, offered the use of a former British naval base. "We were all concerned about what (Mr Lee) was going to ask for, a trillion dollars or something like that," he recalls. But Mr Lee was "very modest" and "very strategic". What the Singapore Government wanted was the US presence in Singapore as a "strategic umbrella", and "friendship prices" at US universities and military institutions for Singapore's armed forces, says Mr Ryan.

"I watched my boss and the ambassador; their jaws practically dropped. What a great deal this was, we were flung out of one country and on the same day we're flying into a beautiful city-state."

Mr Ryan now visits Singapore four times a year, as Singapore is CCL's Asia-Pacific base.



CHIEF LISTENING OFFICER

Dressed for our interview in a navy blue suit, only a few signs give away his 35-year career as a pilot in the US Navy, where he rose to the rank of Vice-Admiral: His tall, imposing figure is trim even at 66, the result of daily 8km runs, and his no-nonsense, down-to-earth choice of a simple black digital watch.

Despite a resume that reflects a lifetime of leading others - before joining CCL in 2007, Mr Ryan served as Chancellor of the State University of New York and Superintendent of the United States Naval Academy - in person he is soft-spoken and genial, ready to share memories of growing up in Pennsylvania as a twin and one of five children.

These days, Mr Ryan, who has visited 99 countries, traverses the globe from one CCL base to the next - the centre's clients include Aviva, Ford Motor Company, Google, Pfizer, Fortis and government agencies like Singapore's Economic Development Board.

An early taste of leadership came when he was 23 and put in charge of a squadron of 100 people in the US Navy, a year after he graduated from the US Naval Academy. "I was the youngest. One of the more senior people ... he was maybe 43 and he said: 'The best ones that I enjoyed working for were the best listeners.'

"I thought about this and said, okay, I'm going to be the chief listening officer."

Humility, and the ability to listen, have been shown through research to be key to successful leadership, says Mr Ryan. "You might see in The Wall Street Journal or The New York Times people who have had successful careers but, because they have hubris where they don't have humility, they stop listening to their colleagues, they stop wondering if they are doing the right thing, they just assume they are, and ... they crash and burn. Unfortunately, sometimes they take organisations down with them."



STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES

Another piece of advice for leaders - consider your legacy. While people often think it is something "only people with big egos do", high-profile scandals - like disgraced former US Congressman Anthony Weiner, or the massive financial cover-up at Olympus now being revealed in Japan - say otherwise.

"Look at the tragedies, where some men and some women, who have had enormous success, and they do something incredibly stupid. And the last thing anybody will ever remember about them is what they did in a weak moment, whether it's a liaison with somebody that's not your spouse or making a decision everyone told you not to make about buying this company.

"And it always comes down to this: People stopped listening. They started thinking they were bigger than the organisation, and they weren't thinking about their legacy." He adds: "Growing up, my grandmother always said, 'The test is, if I read about it, will I be embarrassed I'm your grandmother or will I be proud of you?'"

Asked about the apparent lack of leadership now contributing to global economic instability, Mr Ryan points to the political deadlock and the lack of a longer-term view in Europe and the US. "When we see a complex problem like the financial crisis, our brains try to simplify it, so what you see in political parties are certain dogmas - 'raising taxes is bad, spending any money is bad' - and really the truth is somewhere in between."

But in politics, compromise has become "a sign of weakness", and politicians instead offer simplified solutions to voters, but "they're not solving any problems because (the problems) are so complex". "I don't blame politicians, I blame us, because we elect those people, and then we encourage that kind of behaviour."



STAYING HUNGRY

Singapore, Mr Ryan says, has done a good job of keeping the long-term view in mind. "(The Government is) always looking over the horizon," he says, calling Mr Lee "one of the most strategic people you could possibly meet".

Mr Ryan, who is married with three daughters and five grandchildren, emphasises the importance of education and lifelong learning. When each of his daughters entered sixth grade (the equivalent of Primary 6 here), he sat them down and told them that, while he couldn't always be there as he had to travel for work, he would always pay for their studies if they asked.

"My wife says I shouldn't have made that promise because this has cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars (in college and graduate studies tuition)," says Mr Ryan ruefully.

While he sidesteps the question of how universities could have contributed to the hubris he says plagues many of today's leaders, he feels that one way universities can address the issue is to expose their students to real-life examples of both good and bad leaders. Programmes can also include a peer feedback component so that students can develop self-awareness early and learn to identify signs of hubris.

And even out of school, Mr Ryan stresses the importance of continuing to learn from the best.

"When you get really good, you have to be doubly cautious about resting on your laurels," he says. "Just think of icons in the US, like Kodak ... they're either about to go bankrupt or go out of business. And it's not because they didn't discover digital. You have to ask yourself, did they stay hungry? Did they have good leadership?"

Carrier @ Changi

3 hawkeye on board.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7dIObc9vQLY/TrWIdxk6tjI/AAAAAAAAGZ4/JM6n5wqHq5U/s800/Carrier%252520%252540%252520Changi.JPG

http://maps.google.fr/maps?q=singapore&hl=en&ll=1.315454,104.027481&spn=0.02896,0.045447&hnear=Singapore&gl=fr&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6

^^ *like*

Imagine it going down with all those multimillion jets on them...

Can anyone ID the two destroyers in the photo above on the other side of the pier from the USS George Washington? They don't seem to be Singaporean, US, Canadian, Japanese, Korean, Indian, French, German, British, or Australian.

^^ Well, whatever country they are from, they would definitely have to be an allies of the US or destroyers of the carrier fleet for it to be this close to the aircraft carrier.

^^

the carrier is the USS George Washington (CVN 73). north of it are two Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyers, one of which is the USS Lassen (DDG-82). the other is likely to be the USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62). (the numbers 106 and 113 on their helicopter decks are not the ship hull numbers.)

to the west of the carrier is also moored the Ticonderoga-class Aegis cruiser USS Cowpens (CG-63).

source: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68061285/09-085-GW-Sailors-Arrive-in-Singapore-for-Port-Visit-Reynolds

^^ Nice!! Thanks for the info. :)

the carrier is the USS George Washington (CVN 73).
Yes, I IDed her above.

north of it are two Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyers, one of which is the USS Lassen (DDG-82). the other is likely to be the USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62).
Negative. The superstructures are completely different from those of the Arleigh Burke class. For example, each pair of smokestacks is lateral here, but longitudinal on the Arleigh Burke class.

to the west of the carrier is also moored the Ticonderoga-class Aegis cruiser USS Cowpens (CG-63).
I confirm that is a Ticonderoga class cruiser.

^^

omg mcarling, that was a very sharp observation. i didn't notice the lateral smokestacks at first glance. the angular forward superstructure and CIWS/forward gun arrangement make them look like Burkes.

it was a long search but i'm pretty sure they are the JMSDF Murasame-class Samidare (DD-106) and Takanami-class Sazanami (DD-113). the hull numbers and stack arrangement make sense now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasame_class_destroyer

learnt something new today :cheers:

omg mcarling, that was a very sharp observation.
In my youth, I was often warned by older relatives who were navy officers about not putting ordnance on the wrong target.

i didn't notice the lateral smokestacks at first glance. the angular forward superstructure and CIWS/forward gun arrangement make them look like Burkes.
Yes, from the bridge forward there is some resemblance to the Burkes, but everything aft of the bridge is very wrong.

i'm pretty sure they are the JMSDF Murasame-class Samidare (DD-106) and Takanami-class Sazanami (DD-113). the hull numbers and stack arrangement make sense now.
I'm confident now that you are correct. The hull dimension are within the range of measurement error and all the details on the superstructure seem to match. Thanks for finding them.