we'll be lodging a planning application for the remainder of the terrace next to Unicorn on Thursday 16th.

As soon as it's declared valid ......I'll post some images :) .

This the 'GPMU' building? Good news, look forward to the images.

the other side russell, the terraces.

Some kind of 'Black Magic' pastiche (in granite?) may work well alongside the Rocher box-inspired Unicorn, methinks ;)

Milk Tray's a no-no, tho.

Quite a fat site, could be a chunky build if 14 floors? Why not develop in a oner though? I noticed the same with River Heights, I presume phase 2 is dependant on a successful phase 1? Should I presume too that the design shall mirror Unicorn?
http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Residential/Alan_elevation.jpg

and yeah, GPMU is increasingly at variance with its more illustrious peers, less it's just there to make CHQ look good.

That P/P scheme still does nothing for me.......

Let's hope the new gm+ad scheme will draw attention away from it.....

Due respect to aland's drawing skills but I don't think the PP scheme is being shown in its best light in the above pic.

I'm ready to defend the design. I like it - a lot. Yeah, there's many things to resolve, but if it does go ahead, I'm sure PP wil refine the design suitably.

I've been lucky enough to see many development drawings, sketches, ideas for this scheme and think its not received the best of responses because of its poor media exposure.

I think having the PP 'waspsnest' along side the GMAD ‘chocolate box’ schemes and Elder and Cannon's ‘filing cabinet’ will be great for what should be a core city zone.

i also find it interesting that CHQ is slagged, PP waspnest is slagged, filing cabinet is often slagged here too. All three represent diffrent strands of contemporary design but none seem to satisfy.

Apologies Aland if you feel this thread has been hijacked however I think in this case, a wider discussion of the context your design willl be placed within, is valid.

I like the Filing Cabinet even more now than i did originally. It kind of grows on you, i particularly like the the side wall cladding details.

I wait with interest the GM + AD treatment of the Clyde Street Terraces. They are in a sorry state, i was actually wondering a couple of weeks ago if someone would put in a scheme to give them some radical surgery, given the amount of new stuff that is going on down there.

I am all for regeneration and conservation but the Terraces, whilst old, are pretty bland.

With regards to P&P's proposals i like what i see. If i want to get upset about anything on that particular stretch of the Clyde then i need only look at that red brick and tangerine tiled "Silverbank" development. It is going to look even more out of place down there once all this other stuff kicks in.

Difficult to be negative about P&P stuff and dare i say it - even RMJM's stuff down there which is not built, when we have shite like "Silverbank" polluting the atmosphere.

MMM kept this one quiet Alan... probly coz of all the hulabaloo with AHS of previous methinks aye ?

New build or Preserve? i hope its not a preserve they are not worth preserving are they ?

Anyways hope and wait with anticipation for this new development...good work alan. :)

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6386/teraces7ar.jpg

Worth is a subjective matter Mo... they aint worth much to us today, who knows tho... the Gorbals was considered worthless in the not too distant past. Anywho, thats beside the point bescause its crying out for something to be done now that Unicorn has the go ahead.

Best of luck Alan!

ps... love the chocolate box idea Spacey hehe we should be having a bit of fun down there. Although in saying that, some of the developments really do take the piss!

yknow, some developer in 2206 might want to demolish the unicorn and icon buildings in order to develop a spaceport or an alien immigration centre or perhaps a military base.

Obviously historic scotland (still goig strong) would be up in arms - "elder and cannon, and gm+ad-designed buldings are part of our heritage, and these buildings are classic examples of blah blah blah . . ."

actually, what DO these kind of buildings - speculative housing - represent? what do they say about economics and design at the start of the Scottish 21st century?

Due deference to gm+ad, but I'd take the Spaceport.

The tenements were speculative housing too, differences now are a wider range of architecture (no unique Glasgow style) and smaller plots from land constraints, hence no sweeping avenues/crescents but potential to develop a skyline.

gleegie - I like yer horizontal v vertical analysis there.

Alan has unveiled 236-246 Clyde Street (http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Clyde_Central.html#Unicorn2) material.
http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Residential/Unicorn2.jpg

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Residential/Clyde_Montage.jpg

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Residential/Unicorn_Atrium.jpg

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/Residential/Clyde_Cluster.jpg

http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/deleteplan.jpg

Fantastic!

Very interesting Alan. I have to admit to being nervous about this one as even though I don't think the existing townhouses are anything special I liked the juxtaposition / change in scale between both them and the Edwardian building and the Unicorn. I needn't have worried! It handles the transition between the witches hat building's load bearing masonary construction with windows punched through, to the sheer glass cliff of the Unicorn, very convincingly. The courtyard at the back is also interesting and a welcome re run of an old Glasgow typology. A modern version of what was sadly destroyed at the Virgina Galleries and along similar lines to LA's Bradbury Building. Shaping up to be a worthwhile addition to the Clyde skyline.

Good grief. That is one interesting building indeed. I think like the Unicorn it takes a few viewings to get your head around it, but I already think itis pretty damn good. Certainly revolutionary, something that the city, and the waterfront in particular, is lacking just now.

First impressions are very promising :)

Good prespectives gleegie thanks for them.

like the building alan very nice indeed...the panels on the facia of the buiding are they metal or ceramic ?

Also like the apexed skylights to the rear stairwells gives it a real classy touch to the building.

A few retail outlets at the bottom i presume... and also underground car parking i take it.

Look forward to the completion of this one. :)

Interesting. Not quite what i expected i have to say. Its a more difficult situatioan than one might expect to create your own context for a building and even harder when you have to come in afterwards and alter the perceived contextual and conceptual approach to a previous scheme. That strikes me as what has happened here to a degree. I rather liked the way that UNicorn and the E&C block sat as two distinct and complimentary verticals. That has been diluted with this proposal which is a shame.

That being said there are interesting things there. Its a valiant attempt to create a modern language which responds to Victorian context. It seems rather more successful in the elevations than the render though, they just seem to have a greater weight and consistancy and are slightly less fussy. It strikes me that the material treatment is going to be key.

I would personally rather have seen a straight continuation of the Unicorn treatment across this block as i am unsure why there needs to be a difference in treatment and expression beyond the accidental fact that they are on different plots. That interior does look very good though.

That's a busy building. Really taken by the front elevation, quite classy indeed. Interesting cladding details which i assume are metal and i like the step back with sloped (glass?) panels. Roof "box / pod" details look stunning. Don't think the developers would have any problem selling those flats.

Every time you look at the images you see something else that you missed the first time you looked.

Must have been a difficult thing to pull off, developing the design of one site -The Unicorn and then undertaking something quite, quite different on the adjacent plot.

I can imagine it would have been quite mentally draining and would involve a lot of brain storming before settling on the submitted design.

It is a very complimentary design the way that it sits between the existing building and the proposed Unicorn building.

Hope these buildings are reaching skywards soon. A great thing for Glasgow, and it would raise the pole a good bit down in that particular area before other proposed developments commence.

All in all another very nice one.

Chris Malcolm and Carlo Guidi are the architects, Gordon the partner. I was not involved at all...........we deliberatly set out to do something different socceroo take a fresh approach. Complimentary but different from Unicorn.

Thanks for you comments, gweilo hav'nt heard from you for a while. Gleegie has also asked me for more information, I'll suss it out and send it on

I like the use of the atrium in the building - a rather nice addition, and all the more so given the climate of the West coast. They're so common in commercial buildings, but I think that's the first time I've noticed a residential development having one. Why is that?

I like it... something completely different. I'm still trying to work lout exactly how much I like it, though! I do love the courtyard... it's unique.

Alan, on a completely different point, is it just me or are room/flat sizes getting smaller and smaller all the time? And what are reasons for this? Developers trying to squeeze as much cash as possible from a site? Council planners trying to increase housing densities?

Phase 2 I have to say I prefer to Unicorn. Phase 1 is very clean and modern, but this seems to be taking a step down the path of greater elaboration, which is I think welcome. It's a better all round building too, Unicorn1 is a bit blank at the rear, if anything the rear of this looks more impressive than the front. It's also good to see less glass being used, virtually all modern developments lack detailing, a choice materials palette (without succumbing to chaos) is a workable alternative to stone carving.

The varied treatment is a continuation of the present street frontage and it works, certainly it is of greater visual interest. One building of one style could have been too monolithic. Organic development across each individual plot is how Clyde Street has traditionally developed, but of course all this is soon to be obliterated by the CHQ mega blocks.

Alan's taken time out to answer a few questions...

What's the materials palette?
Horizontal Copper Cladding, White and Dark Grey Terracotta Tiles, Dark Grey Framed Curtain Walling, Steel Mesh Screen, Zinc Panels and some Polished Concrete.

What's the angled louvre visible on the "typicalsection" jpg ?
This is a Steel Mesh Screening device, used to provide a sense of enclosure as shown in the 'typicalsection'. It is also used to screen the bedroom spaces which face onto Clyde St.

Will the basement levels provide parking?
Yes, on both levels.

Is the developer Lion Group?
No Clyde View Ltd

Any hints at costing?
can't disclose that , sorry

Project timescales?
intention to start production information after planning is awarded

How many flats?
71 Residential Units, 2 Commercial Units.

Cheers.

Alan's taken time out to answer a few questions...

What's the materials palette?
Horizontal Copper Cladding, White and Dark Grey Terracotta Tiles, Dark Grey Framed Curtain Walling, Steel Mesh Screen, Zinc Panels and some Polished Concrete.


Is this the same Alan who says buildings should have no more than three materials? :shocked:

I think we've established that this building is headed in a new direction, with a different architectural team.

I think I've said outofchaosawombat that I was not involved in this design at all, deliberately.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with it. :)

Looking at the Unicorn and GH2, the difference in styles on show here are very plain to see. Did big Gordon have anything to do with GH2 or the Unicorn, or were they purely your (and your design teams') projects?

the office works like this

when projects come in Gordon and I work on them together, developing ideas, concepts, possibilities and so on. Then one of us will take it on as the partner in charge and set up our own internal design team, which has a project director who is responsible for the day to day running of the project.

Both of us though stay involved in all the projects for internal design reviews and so on, though the partner in charge has the final yes or no

I am the partner for Unicorn, Gordon is the partner for GH2. I was the partner for Radisson SAS Gordon for Sentinel and so on

Clyde Street 2 is different in that I have deliberately not been involved or tried to influence the process to see what we could come up with for two different clients on an important adjoining site. Gordon is the partner for Clyde Street 2

Ah right - cheers for that Alan :)

Has anyone thought how this development will affect the residents immediately behind the clyde street 2!! This building is going to completely overshadow the Pacific apartments which is 5 storeys grade c listed building renovated in 2002. All the living rooms and bedrooms of the apartments in block 68 Howard Street face directly onto fox street (parallel to clyde street). Might I add this it is a very narrow one way street so there'll be very little privacy!!

Ach well fox street if you live there you'll not get bored there will be lots of new neighbours to talk to. :lurker:

Alan I have watched all of the stuff you guys come up with interestingly over the last few years and (not to kiss your ass cos I haven’t up to now) but I feel that as a shop GMAD is quite literally stamping it design quality all over Glasgow and in 80 years or so you guys will have a legacy that will have shaped the way Glasgow looks!

I hope that Glasgow city council starts to notice what you guys are dong and gives you more of the (to use a shitty word) ‘iconic’ projects that this city develops over the next few years.

We should be encouraging and nurturing our talent to show the world what you guys can do, not getting over paid signature architects to build here!

Now for Cheapside!!

Probably some hot chick who usually forgets to close the curtains moves in to the flat opposite you... sorted.

to be fair fox street we have tried to model both projects to respect your amenity but that's what living in a city is like. You can't expect things to remain as they were always. Glasgow's pattern is building right to the pavement edge.

Our own clients are also faced with a dilema and problem same as your's. They had a property of the waters edge until recently, now with the approval of Custom House Quay the don't.

Gorgu, you're not so crazy after all.

Unicorn site
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gleegieboy/M2.jpg

Fox street, is one of those strange sort of places you don't realise exist despite walking by every other day.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gleegieboy/M4.jpg

Thanks Gleegieboy your last photograph of fox street demonstrates what the residents have already had to deal with in a narrow street with The Sugar House development never mind Unicorn and Clyde street 2. Getting access to car park has been an nightmare and constant noise /vibrations. I have no problem with developments in Glasgow, the citys gotta grow but some consideration please for those already there! and maybe something a little more sympathetic with its surrounding Should these developments not be suited centrally instead of a mis-mash of architecture on the clyde? I can't believe the council has given the go ahead to build out on the clyde. I suppose only in Glasgow!

Construction work is temporary and the constrained dimensions of Fox Street fixed.

Consideration is only given to viewpoints/sightlines where historic buildings are concerned in the city centre at least, outwith the council take a harder line on high density, wrongly, in my view. (See Glasgow Latest).

Fox Street will be transformed from graffiti scarred warehousing to house the most impressive atrium space in the city.

Is that your view in your avatar?

Glasgow has always been a city of high density, indeed it is a Scottish tradition from the tenements to the high rises. Long may it continue in the face of all these suburban sprawl developments!

GM + AD have lodged a planning application for a 14 storey, 184 room hotel on this site now!! Is somebody having a laugh??!!!

Really ...wheres the source Foxy??

Got the planning application notice yesterday.

Oh i see nieghbourhood notification!! ??.... well that would seem a definite change of development, how would this effect your own residence and residential status foxstreet...does the new status have any change of design notification ?

Oh i see nieghbourhood notification!! ??.... well that would seem a definite change of development, how would this effect your own residence and residential status foxstreet...does the new status have any change of design notification ?

Yep, a bit of a change alright!! The original approval was for 12 storey residential development, now they're trying it on with 14 storey when I believe Unicorn Tower is 13 storey. (4 star hotel with basement spa)There's nothing on the notice to say a change of design/materials but considering they are looking 14 storey must have changed somehow.

Concerns of residents facing Fox Street is that for the majority of us this is the only source of direct daylight and with other developments including the Unicorn Tower and Dixon Street Tower we will be boxed in. Don't fancy looking onto a load of hotel rooms. Given its a very narrow one way street we've just had a break from the vibrations of building work going on at The SUgar House at the corner of fox street and dixon street.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for development and improvement of this area, God knows it needs it but I think there are other ways to do it and take into account all of us that are here already.

I feel for you fox street, I really do. If I was in your situation I know I'd feel exactly the same way.

Unfortunately, that's one of the upshots of living in a city centre. Is there no 'rights to light' legislation in Glasgow/Scotland?

Excellent, still rather small but hopefully it will pave the way for taller.

Unicorn was 2 separate adjoining buildings, am I to presume the hotel replaces both?

Fox, I totally understand your where you are coming from here, I lived in the same development as yourself when it completed. But is there really any difference in looking onto hotel rooms as apartments? Or is it the height that is the main issue? I hope the design for the previous residential application does not change too much, thought it was pretty impressive addition to the area, especially from the lane side. I would have thought the addition of a four star hotel with spa would be a fantastic shot in the arm to the redevelopment of the area and generally welcomed by residents.

Fox, I totally understand your where you are coming from here, I lived in the same development as yourself when it completed. But is there really any difference in looking onto hotel rooms as apartments? Or is it the height that is the main issue? I hope the design for the previous residential application does not change too much, thought it was pretty impressive addition to the area, especially from the lane side. I would have thought the addition of a four star hotel with spa would be a fantastic shot in the arm to the redevelopment of the area and generally welcomed by residents.

Yeah it's mainly the light issue, as you probably know fox street is the only source of light for the residents and don't know if the plans have been altered significantly from the original application. But I'm sure they could apply for anything and it will get the OK it irrespective of what others think considering the amount of opposition to the Unicorn Building proposal. Even if I didn't live here, I think they could come up with something a lot more in keeping with line of view from the suspension bridge

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.1261182.0.making_room_in_river_city.php

The plot, at 236-246 Clyde Street, houses a row of derelict town houses.

But the application, submitted to Glasgow City Council, reveals the buildings would be demolished and a 184-room hotel plus spa built there.


Anyone know what this is going to look like?

Nice to see as well that they've started that squiggly pish at tadeston :sly:

Haha, loved that article, Glasgow's river banks are becoming "city's equivalent of the famous board game's Park Lane and Mayfair." ET journalists must be contractually obliged to write shite.

Glad to see work starting at tradeston, didn't take them long did it?

chortle

The graphic of a large hand and Monopoly houses just about sums up the Evening Times for me...

anyone any ideas what this pared down bride will look like?

ET journalists must be contractually obliged to write shite.

Uber lolz! :lol: