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TYW
March 18th, 2006, 06:08 AM
Melaka To Apply For LRT Service

KUALA LUMPUR, March 17 (Bernama) -- The Melaka government will apply for a Light Rail Transport (LRT) service to be introduced in Melaka and financed through the recently set up Public Transport Trust Fund, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said.

He said the state also hoped the Express Rail Link (ERL) service which would link the KL International Airport and Seremban under the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP) could be extended to Melaka.

Ali said the LRT service was needed in Melaka in view of the increased tourist arrivals there.

"Last year 4.6 million tourists visited the state compared to 4 million in 2004 and this year we expect the arrivals to exceed 5 million, " he said during a visit to Bernama headquarters here Friday.

He also hoped that the dual track commuter train service operated by KTM Berhad, which now ended in Seremban, could be extended to Melaka as well.

Ali said fast rail services to Melaka were seen as the transport mode of the future to reduce congestion on the highways and also for onward linkage to Muar, Batu Pahat and Johor Baharu.

"If before, a car journey from Kuala Lumpur to Melaka only took an hour and a half, now it takes two hours or more because of heavy traffic," he said.

Ali said the state would also apply for allocations under the fund to replace old bus stations in the small towns in the state like Jasin, Merlimau, Alor Gajah and Masjid Tanah.

On another matter, Ali, who is also the president of the 4B Youth movement, said 12 volunteers from the organisation would leave for Pakistan tomorrow to help survivors of last October's earthquake there.

The mission, which will be headed by 4B vice president Hashim Suboh, will spend seven days there and visit Islamabad, Balakot, Battagram, Muzafarabat and Murre, the worst-hit areas.

The group will return home on March 24.

-- BERNAMA

aen
March 18th, 2006, 06:49 AM
is lrt crucially needed in melaka ? even if it's true, i think it still needs to queue up behind penang and jb

szehoong
March 18th, 2006, 06:59 AM
^^ I dun think Melaka needs one. Of the so many times I've been to Melaka, only once I've stuck in a jam :D

I think Melaka could do with a small monorail system for now ;)

musang
March 18th, 2006, 07:03 AM
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He said the state also hoped the Express Rail Link (ERL) service which would link the KL International Airport and Seremban under the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP) could be extended to Melaka.

this is gud news, ERL to Seremban and perhaps later on onwards to JB...

musang
March 18th, 2006, 07:05 AM
^^ I dun think Melaka needs one. Of the so many times I've been to Melaka, only once I've stuck in a jam :D

I think Melaka could do with a small monorail system for now ;)
i think they shud have the electrified version of the kereta lembu with its own lane.. hmm, very attractive.

TYW
March 18th, 2006, 08:02 AM
i think they shud have the electrified version of the kereta lembu with its own lane.. hmm, very attractive.

wah!! :lol: sounds much more interesting than LRT :D

so, the lembu will be electrocuted??

aen
March 18th, 2006, 08:24 AM
wah!! :lol: sounds much more interesting than LRT :D

so, the lembu will be electrocuted??

so what melaka actually asking for is LRT = Lembu Rapid Transit :nuts: :lol: :D

White_soX
March 18th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Melaka don't need one. Heck who come with such stupid thing. They need to improve "luar bandar" first and villages which can compare with stone age. LRT can come in a hundred year from now. The only bz point in Melaka is around Mahkota Parade and the road from Ayer Keroh toll to way down Jusco, what ever the place call. More recreation(they need swimming pool for swimming club so don't have to share with public pool) for puublic and well plan city arrangement.

Melaka is beautiful, more investment on modernizing will be appreciated by Melaccan.

Adam Tan
March 18th, 2006, 08:35 AM
KTM commuter from seremban link to melaka still acceptable, LRT? i dun think so....
Actually i dislike the melaka current Chief Minister :sleepy:

szehoong
March 18th, 2006, 08:37 AM
so what melaka actually asking for is LRT = Lembu Rapid Transit :nuts: :lol: :D


Wah that's a good one! :lol:

We have electric lembus zipping here and there :D

White_soX
March 18th, 2006, 08:40 AM
KTM commuter from seremban link to melaka still acceptable, LRT? i dun think so....
Actually i dislike the melaka current Chief Minister :sleepy:

Actually we talking about LRT around Melaka City sir, but KTM extended to Melaka is a great idea, but doubt will have many passenger.The market is there but not really high yet right now.

If LRT approve in Melaka, then it will be a long LRT, cuz Melaka point of interest away from each other, then more track miles will add, then $$$$ will be more to need. Just inprove the current road and BUS will make a perfect sense to connect places

Adam Tan
March 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM
Actually we talking about LRT around Melaka City sir, but KTM extended to Melaka is a great idea, but doubt will have many passenger.The market is there but now really high yet right now.

If LRT approve in Melaka, then it will be a long LRT, cuz Melaka point of interest away from each other, then more track miles will add, then $$$$ will be more to need. Just inprove the current road and BUS will make a perfect sense to connect places

ya, i agree with u. :)
now stills not the suitable time apply LRT in melaka

Subangite
March 20th, 2006, 04:59 AM
^^ I dun think Melaka needs one. Of the so many times I've been to Melaka, only once I've stuck in a jam :D

I think Melaka could do with a small monorail system for now ;)

I think a tram system would suit melaka more..

mrtfreak
March 20th, 2006, 07:28 AM
Er... Would Melaka really want a system on their waterfront that would spoil the old historic look of the city? I think a tram system sounds good. Electric kereta lembu, now that's funny! The "lembu" in front could be made of fibreglass? :jk:
Komuter yes, LRT, not necessary...

Subangite
March 20th, 2006, 08:06 AM
Er... Would Melaka really want a system on their waterfront that would spoil the old historic look of the city? I think a tram system sounds good. Electric kereta lembu, now that's funny! The "lembu" in front could be made of fibreglass? :jk:
Komuter yes, LRT, not necessary...

Exactly, for such an old, arguably the oldest and most historic Malaysian city, it needs to preserve its touristic charm. It doesn't need to emulate techno-futureland KL, it doesn't match the hustle and bustle of the other major towns like JB or Penang. Perhaps a slower pace, less expensive system should be in use.

By the way do Malaysian public planners ever envisage the usage of trams for public transport? It seems like LRT's and especially Monorails are all the rage, but what about other options? It seems like a neglect of the other froms of transit systems to me, what about a trolley bus system?? Trolleybuses are in use in very small cities like Wellington (NZ), Sarajevo (BiH), Innsbruck (A), which could be easily replicated in similar sized Melaka and they have been integrated with other forms of mass transit systems in much larger cities like Beijing (CN), Vancouver (Canada), San Francisco (US), Mexico City (MX).

Personally I'd prefer to see a tram system like this;
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f1/300px-Ireland_-_Dublin_-_Tram.jpg

than a trolley bus system like these;

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/61/240px-Trolleybus_Arnhem.jpghttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/44/225px-Am-gilligtrolley.jpeg

So whatever happened to all the talk that KL will implement a tram system?

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 28 (Bernama) -- Tram service will be introduced in suitable streets in Kuala Lumpur to ease traffic congestion, Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor said Thursday.

He said Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) would introduce the tram service to complement the existing transport service in the city.

He also said DBKL was studying ways of integrating the bus, monorail, LRT and commuter train services to ensure optimum use.

Speaking at his first post Cabinet meeting press conference, the newly appointed minister said tram service would be introduced in parts of the city which were not served by public transport.

He said the DBKL study on the tram service was based on the tram service found in cities overseas. -- BERNAMA

szehoong
March 20th, 2006, 05:50 PM
^^ The reason why I suggested monorail is because a single rail is definitely much cleaner-looking than those of trams and trolley buses which have lotsa wires overhead. Monorail tracks could be small and thin esp those by Metrail where the trains are self-powered. ;)

Having visited Vancouver and Melbourne, I personally find those overhead wires obstructive :( Perhaps if the trams could integrate a third electrified rail which are done in certain European countries but I am not too sure how efficient are they and what are the dangers it posed esp in these humid and wet climate of ours ;)

Oh and one more thing.......trolley buses and trams occupy the same road as cars, taxis and buses so it creates more congestion. Some Malaysian cities esp KL, Penang and Melaka need alternative routes be it underground or elevated as roads here are small and density is high. Furthermore many European and Australasia cities do not have those notorious motorbikes, trishaws and the amount of cars to dealth with :D

White_soX
March 21st, 2006, 03:15 AM
Tram system can be a lil'bit problem cause it use road. How about if they accidentaly stop on tram rail at traffic light like me yesterday at Houston Downtown
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/seth_k/Zootrip035.jpg
Dang, the tram nearly hit me so I run the red light, next thing I got warning from officer :)

szehoong
March 21st, 2006, 05:02 AM
^^ Thanks White_Sox for pointing that out. :okay:

Yea....imagine.....he's at Houston which I believe that there are lesser vehicles on the road. We have tons of motorbikes from Jaguh to kapchais as well as buses, lorries and sometimes tractors :D

I wouldn't wanna share the road with another mode of transportation :no:

Oh.......and look at those wires! :puke:

And now I am ready to face the wrath of tram & trolley bus lovers :D

White_soX
March 21st, 2006, 06:13 AM
^^ Thanks White_Sox for pointing that out. :okay:

Yea....imagine.....he's at Houston which I believe that there are lesser vehicles on the road. We have tons of motorbikes from Jaguh to kapchais as well as buses, lorries and sometimes tractors :D

I wouldn't wanna share the road with another mode of transportation :no:

Oh.......and look at those wires! :puke:

And now I am ready to face the wrath of tram & trolley bus lovers :D

Yes agree, Malaysia has lots of motor :) , Malaysia should just stick with the current system, road and railway seperated, we got lots of space to fill up.

Magician
March 21st, 2006, 06:51 AM
Honestly... when I read the news... I nearly wanted to LAUGH...

Melaka needs LRT? Then I guess Penang and Johor need MRT then...

D_Y2k.2^
March 21st, 2006, 08:34 AM
Nope,LRT shouldn't be in Melaka!ERL and KTM on the other hand is greatly supported!What Melaka needs is better bus transport system!!!

dengilo
March 21st, 2006, 03:28 PM
OK lets see here!emm the KERAJAAN MALAYSIA no money! so for sure we know no LRT,for sure no MONOREL,for sure no ERL, maybe in far distance if they should double tracked it all the way to jb, may be TRAM around all the tourist areas then again it might look like a tram but its actually a bus!on wheels!so for now we have to be happy withe the musical becas,may be the kereta lembu exprees service from air keroh to town! or may be even a special speed boat servive along the malacca river
thats it once and for all ha ha!no money no talk unless some super rich towkey going sponsor for it because his got a multi gezillon ringgit project going on malacca.

bobdikl
March 22nd, 2006, 02:34 AM
I will go for tram in Malaka. :)
Monorial is blending in so well with KL, because the capital city has more high rise.
Monorail system is good, but not as efficient as modern Trams (also known as LRT in europe). I think KL STAR LRT system is actually elevated MRT, I don't know why Malaysian call it LRT.

Modern Tram (or LRT) system is coming back to hit Eruope. If TRAM put you off, well just treat them as a modern transit system. There are many more designs are yet to hit market. Based on my experience with monorail in US and KL, and Modern Trams(MT) in europe. MT in the city are more efficient than metro underground and monorail.

1. No need to climb up the stairs or elevator (faster way to move around)
2. Romantic
3. Futuristic design
4. Overhead wires are not required if necessary (see pictures)
5. Can be elevated & underground(flexible!)
6. Track can be altered and splited along with city development
7. Cheaper and practical

The only major concern is malaysian notorious motorbikes and cars. It is necessary to make a feasibility study. But I think the best way to deal with them is to convert one or all of the motorway lane to track exclusive for MT use only, no sharing.


http://www.photoamateur.net/bordeaux/images/4tram06.jpg
http://www.photoamateur.net/bordeaux/images/4tram10.jpg

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 04:53 AM
^^ Excellent points you have there Bobdikl! :okay:


However like I've pointed out.......in Malaysia it REALLY rains and flash floods are a frequent occurance no matter how good our drainage is because sometimes roads are not too levelled thus we have pockets of water here and there. That is why I am not too sure how these 'wireless' trams works but I have read somewhere that they runs on a third rails which supplies electricity. What I question is the feasibility and the safety of such ground level 3rd rail. ;)

Furthermore roads in Penang and Malacca is too narrow for the allocation of a special tram-only lane. :(

Actually monorails need not to be high. In fact it blends with old architecture as well but it all depends on the execution and the sensitivity on aesthetics. Just look at aesthetic-obsessed Disney World. Thier monorail tracks aren't those large and high ones so they blend in well. They should do more studies on this ;)

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 05:06 AM
Tram system can be a lil'bit problem cause it use road. How about if they accidentaly stop on tram rail at traffic light like me yesterday at Houston Downtown
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/seth_k/Zootrip035.jpg
Dang, the tram nearly hit me so I run the red light, next thing I got warning from officer :)

^^thats why a trolley bus system would be better use!! they use the same roads with the same road rules. They share the same streets.

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 05:27 AM
^^ The reason why I suggested monorail is because a single rail is definitely much cleaner-looking than those of trams and trolley buses which have lotsa wires overhead.

"Cleaner looking" because trams and tolley buses have lots of wires overhead??? come on lah!! Those overhead wires just merge with the city scape, they are not intrusive, they are not "dirty-looking" as what you seem to be suggesting?



Having visited Vancouver and Melbourne, I personally find those overhead wires obstructive

Having grown up in Europe!! Having taken the trams to and fro School, I personally find, after having lived and grown up in these european cities that these wires are not obstructive at all!! Prehaps for you Szehoong, a Malaysian bred, might not be accustomed to seeing tram wires, seeing that you've only visited these cities. I suggest you try living in these cities for long periods of time, you'll find that trams constitute a valuable piece of transport infrastructure.

:( Perhaps if the trams could integrate a third electrified rail which are done in certain European countries but I am not too sure how efficient are they and what are the dangers it posed esp in these humid and wet climate of ours ;)

With all my years living in trammed cities, I have never known anyone being injured by these overhead wires! They don't pose such a threat!

It does get hot humid and wet in some euro countries. Athens gets hotter than KL, in the Hague, gets more rain than KL, Zagreb has all these wet hot and dry extremes. All their tram systems works on fine, relatively on time, through snow, hail, rain, disgusting sticky hot humidity, I personally have experienced these trams weather the storm.

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 05:33 AM
Furthermore roads in Penang and Malacca is too narrow for the allocation of a special tram-only lane.

Not all roads have to be "tram only roads". trams can and do share roads with cars, where space is at a premium.

White_soX
March 22nd, 2006, 05:34 AM
With all my years living in trammed cities, I have never known anyone being injured by these overhead wires! They don't pose such a threat!

Hmm, you never know Malaysian, live there 4 quite a while, people done stupid stuff, steal cable, kite stuck electric line, cross railway, climb electric pole, there will be some itchy hand go around when the wire install :)

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 06:34 AM
Hmm, you never know Malaysian, live there 4 quite a while, people done stupid stuff, steal cable, kite stuck electric line, cross railway, climb electric pole, there will be some itchy hand go around when the wire install :)

Come on lah, steal cables, climb electric poles, would these things happen in an urban environment, in the "pusat bandar" with people around?? I thought these things happen in more rural areas?

Oh and "kites being stuck on the electric lines", I've seen such a thing in Den Haag, holland whilst waiting for a tram. Nothing happened, the tram came on time, without any disruptions.

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 06:34 AM
"Cleaner looking" because trams and tolley buses have lots of wires overhead??? come on lah!! Those overhead wires just merge with the city scape, they are not intrusive, they are not "dirty-looking" as what you seem to be suggesting?

Having grown up in Europe!! Having taken the trams to and fro School, I personally find, after having lived and grown up in these european cities that these wires are not obstructive at all!! Prehaps for you Szehoong, a Malaysian bred, might not be accustomed to seeing tram wires, seeing that you've only visited these cities. I suggest you try living in these cities for long periods of time, you'll find that trams constitute a valuable piece of transport infrastructure.


One would grow accustomed to anything if they've been facing it for long. I am sure if you lived in Bangkok for a period of time, those streetside wires would be a non-issue.

Kuala Lumpur aggressively got rid of wires in the 80s and we are now blessed with a much cleaner look. I would love it to maintain it this way. :yes:

Now many towns and cities in Malaysia are getting rid of wires overhead and having trams or trolley buses would be an undoing of such effort ;)

Ask any Thais and they would tell ya they are used to the wires although they would like to get rid of em. Ask any Singaporeans if they want any wires obove their streets and they would say no. That is why Singapore opposed strongly to anything that had an overhead pantograph except for their newly-built NEL which is entirely underground ;) Overhead wires are ugly. That is why tram companies and operators are finding ways to eliminate these wires thus the birth of wireless trams.





With all my years living in trammed cities, I have never known anyone being injured by these overhead wires! They don't pose such a threat!

It does get hot humid and wet in some euro countries. Athens gets hotter than KL, in the Hague, gets more rain than KL, Zagreb has all these wet hot and dry extremes. All their tram systems works on fine, relatively on time, through snow, hail, rain, disgusting sticky hot humidity, I personally have experienced these trams weather the storm.



I am not too sure if you understand by what I said 'electrified third RAIL'. I am not talking about overhead pantographs/wires. I do know the fact that rain or snow wouldn't transmit electricity to the ground or anything below em.....its a no-brainer actually :D

I am not too sure why you brought up those hot and dry extremes as that wouldn't affect electricity transmission but I am however worried about pools of water esp to an extra electrified RAIL ;)

I would like to repeat that I am not too sure how these 'wireless trams' works but I've read somewhere that they got power from a third rail. And that is what I am concern about.

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 06:36 AM
Not all roads have to be "tram only roads". trams can and do share roads with cars, where space is at a premium.


Yes....and you have the problems of motorbikes again. That is why trams would never work here. ;)

Zed
March 22nd, 2006, 06:40 AM
Nope,LRT shouldn't be in Melaka!ERL and KTM on the other hand is greatly supported!What Melaka needs is better bus transport system!!!

Totally agree on this.

KTM Komuter (& maybe ERL) linked to Melaka is most welcome for better connections and alternative mode of transport frm Melaka to other cities. For the time being, I doubt its viable & suitable for LRT line in Melaka particularly in the historical precint. Better bus/taxis (even beca & kereta lembu :)) system is what Melaka needs now.

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 06:49 AM
One would grow accustomed to anything if they've been facing it for long. I am sure if you lived in Bangkok for a period of time, those streetside wires would be a non-issue.

Kuala Lumpur aggressively got rid of wires in the 80s and we are now blessed with a much cleaner look. I would love it to maintain it this way. :yes:

Now many towns and cities in Malaysia are getting rid of wires overhead and having trams or trolley buses would be an undoing of such effort ;)

Ask any Thais and they would tell ya they are used to the wires although they would like to get rid of em. Ask any Singaporeans if they want any wires obove their streets and they would say no. That is why Singapore opposed strongly to anything that had an overhead pantograph except for their newly-built NEL which is entirely underground ;) Overhead wires are ugly. That is why tram companies and operators are finding ways to eliminate these wires thus the birth of wireless trams.

Sze, the streetside wires should not be equated to tram overhead lines. Those streetside wires in developing countries like Bangkok, Dhaka, I agree are a choatic eye sore, but they aren't the same as tram overhead wires. tram overhead wires I find are a lot more inconspicuous, a lot more uniform. I can't consider them to be ugly as you say because infact I find I don't even notice them at all.

My point about the weather was that I have doubts that there would be any technical hinderances for the implementation of a tram system wired or unwired in wet, humid and hot Malaysia. Trams can and have been implemented in Malaysia before, albeit overhead wired ones, I doubt weather poses such the same problems on "wireless" ones. Even small winding roads don't seem to pose much of a problem, since old european cities are built in this way. So far I think your concerns have been with regarding aesthetic issues, you found overhead wires to be ugly. Its a difference of opinion, I don't find the ugly at all. The wonderful ease and convenience of trams out weighs the sight of a few little wires.

Subangite
March 22nd, 2006, 06:50 AM
Yes....and you have the problems of motorbikes again. That is why trams would never work here. ;)

why would motorbikes pose a problem? They'll do what they've always done, that is to go around the sides during traffic.

Adam Tan
March 22nd, 2006, 07:33 AM
http://www.photoamateur.net/bordeaux/images/4tram06.jpg
http://www.photoamateur.net/bordeaux/images/4tram10.jpg

dunno heavy rains and flash floods, this kind of transport still can be operate?? :tongue3:

i agree with wat the szehoong said, this transport system is not suitable for malaysia, as we know our region alway got heavy rain and our drain system :sleepy: :sleepy: so sad to speak out......

mrtfreak
March 22nd, 2006, 09:28 AM
Melaka LRT turned into tram debate thread. Heh. Easiest option, go with San Fransisco's street cars. No over head wirse, not sure if its by third rail, but operates pretty well I'm sure. And since its only one car long, it'd be able to stop quickly in case of emergencies, etc. It would also fit in with the historic look of Melaka.

To me, a trolley bus would be the same as a normal bus. Normal bueses are more flexible in terms of routes cause they don't need the over head wires.

I think Subnagnite doesn't notice the over head tram wires cause he/she is used to them already. And yes, without a doubt "some" Malaysians will hanky panky around with public property, rural areas or city developments.

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 10:35 AM
Sze, the streetside wires should not be equated to tram overhead lines. Those streetside wires in developing countries like Bangkok, Dhaka, I agree are a choatic eye sore, but they aren't the same as tram overhead wires. tram overhead wires I find are a lot more inconspicuous, a lot more uniform. I can't consider them to be ugly as you say because infact I find I don't even notice them at all.

Well.....wires are wires and although they are more uniform, it is still an eyesore that many dislike. At least my group of friends whom studied in Melbourne doesn't like em but of course they do not represent the entire demographic nor their number is significant but they do have some uneasiness over the aesthetics.

Anyway not only in developing countries one would find such wires.....Japan had pleanty of em and they are still butt ugly. Coupled with their train systems which most uses overhead pantographs.....I sometimes find Japanese cities a bit messy with wires crisscrossing here and there. Compare with Singapore which had absolutely no wires, it is worlds apart.

Not only wires are ugly but they are also dangerous. Although there are little or no incident on some of the tram and trolley bus systems, exposed wires still do posed a certain degree of danger compared to concealed ones.




My point about the weather was that I have doubts that there would be any technical hinderances for the implementation of a tram system wired or unwired in wet, humid and hot Malaysia. Trams can and have been implemented in Malaysia before, albeit overhead wired ones, I doubt weather poses such the same problems on "wireless" ones. Even small winding roads don't seem to pose much of a problem, since old european cities are built in this way.


I have no doubt over any technical hidrance at all for trams which uses overhead wires. In fact I did not even say that the overhead wires are a problem except for their aesthetic disaster. We have such tram system in the past in Penang and we still do have overhead pantographs over KTM Komuter and ERL tracks. The weather shouldn't do any harm but it is the aftermath or the direct consequences of our weather which resulted in flash flood and pools of water that could be the problem for a THIRD RAIL (wireless trams).




So far I think your concerns have been with regarding aesthetic issues, you found overhead wires to be ugly. Its a difference of opinion, I don't find the ugly at all. The wonderful ease and convenience of trams out weighs the sight of a few little wires.

NOpe.....not all are aesthetics but I have to admit that a big part is. Aesthetics are an important issue in any urban planning and I do believe that there are many whom love trams. I have no hate for em but I felt that an efficient bus system could do their job well if not better. Seriously........with the current RapidKL Shuttle Buses (if they kept with their current record), I see no point of having any tram system for any Malaysian cities at all. IN fact these Chinese-made buses are waaayyyyy cheaper! :D .....and they have no ugly wires :yes:

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 10:43 AM
Melaka LRT turned into tram debate thread. Heh. Easiest option, go with San Fransisco's street cars. No over head wirse, not sure if its by third rail, but operates pretty well I'm sure. And since its only one car long, it'd be able to stop quickly in case of emergencies, etc. It would also fit in with the historic look of Melaka.

To me, a trolley bus would be the same as a normal bus. Normal bueses are more flexible in terms of routes cause they don't need the over head wires.

I think Subnagnite doesn't notice the over head tram wires cause he/she is used to them already. And yes, without a doubt "some" Malaysians will hanky panky around with public property, rural areas or city developments.


I think the SF trams would be a good idea and in fact there are some modern ones in some European cities which are wireless as well. But as I've mentioned many times already, my concern is over the third rail (if there's any) because of the constant flooding in this part of the world. ;)

Yea....I dislike trolley buses a lot because they are inflexible and and kinda ugly hehehe :D Furthermore their 'chopsticks' tend to get 'derailed' quite often although it is easy to realigned em back ;) Their advantage is that they reduces pollution in the city (both sound and air) but I doubt their energy efficiency is as good as a conventional Diesel engine. Buses are going hybrid these days and some uses Natural Gas which are way more environmentally-friendly than electrified Trolley buses or Diesel ones :)

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 10:48 AM
why would motorbikes pose a problem? They'll do what they've always done, that is to go around the sides during traffic.


Well..... I am not too sure how often you drove in Malaysia but not all the time the motorbikes swerve to avoid larger objects. Sometimes large vehicles had to have the flexibility to stay clear of em ;)


Oh and should there be any flash flood which could be a foot deep, trams do not have the flexibility of a bus to avoid the pool of water. :yes:

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 10:54 AM
Nope,LRT shouldn't be in Melaka!ERL and KTM on the other hand is greatly supported!What Melaka needs is better bus transport system!!!



I think some are a bit confused over the rail systems and there could be a misconception. Like Zed had said, ERL and KTM connectivity with the state to other parts of the peninsular (intercity travel) should have been done a long time.

As for travelling within the city limits, I think that a good bus service is sufficient. At the most, Melaka probably need a light monorail but definitely not a mass transit (like Bobdikl had said, Malaysians uses the wrong rail terminologies). ;)

mrtfreak
March 22nd, 2006, 11:15 AM
I think the SF trams would be a good idea and in fact there are some modern ones in some European cities which are wireless as well. But as I've mentioned many times already, my concern is over the third rail (if there's any) because of the constant flooding in this part of the world. ;)

Yea....I dislike trolley buses a lot because they are inflexible and and kinda ugly hehehe :D Furthermore their 'chopsticks' tend to get 'derailed' quite often although it is easy to realigned em back ;) Their advantage is that they reduces pollution in the city (both sound and air) but I doubt their energy efficiency is as good as a conventional Diesel engine. Buses are going hybrid these days and some uses Natural Gas which are way more environmentally-friendly than electrified Trolley buses or Diesel ones :)

I was thinking that the cars could be individually powered, ie, have their own engine that runs on CNG or something. That would eliminate the need for power lines, wired or wireless. I suppose it could be done.

White_soX
March 22nd, 2006, 01:38 PM
To orperate by own, a vehiche need fuel source. The use of electricity that is renewable save cost

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 05:17 PM
To orperate by own, a vehiche need fuel source. The use of electricity that is renewable save cost





At the moment, investment in alternative power source are expensive and there are semi-fossil ones around the globe like those hybrids. Having a totally new power source such as hydrogen-powered vehicles are prohibitively expensive and there aren't enuf fuelling stations. Fuel-cells is a good alternative but it needed more development.


As for using electricity which in turn uses renewable energy - it is highly unlikely in the near future because of the lack of infrastructure. Not only that but renewable energy sources tend to generate lesser electricity compared to those using fossil fuel and nuclear. ;)

szehoong
March 22nd, 2006, 05:21 PM
I was thinking that the cars could be individually powered, ie, have their own engine that runs on CNG or something. That would eliminate the need for power lines, wired or wireless. I suppose it could be done.




Yes...that is possible considering that a Malaysian and British JV company in Malaysia is developing an individually-powered monorail called MetRail ;) It runs on green Diesel engines :yes:

mrtfreak
March 23rd, 2006, 04:37 AM
To orperate by own, a vehiche need fuel source. The use of electricity that is renewable save cost
Time to explore solar power? ;)

mrtfreak
March 23rd, 2006, 04:38 AM
Yes...that is possible considering that a Malaysian and British JV company in Malaysia is developing an individually-powered monorail called MetRail ;) It runs on green Diesel engines :yes:
I wonder if they could use solar power for that too.... It would mean less fossil fuels used eh. Diesel during the day and solar during the nigth or something like it.

White_soX
March 23rd, 2006, 09:02 AM
Diesel during the day and solar during the nigth or something like it.

Shouldn't solar during the day and diesel at night instead, work both way I assume :)

Subangite
March 24th, 2006, 06:38 AM
Well..... I am not too sure how often you drove in Malaysia but not all the time the motorbikes swerve to avoid larger objects. Sometimes large vehicles had to have the flexibility to stay clear of em ;)

Point taken about the trams, personally with regards to aesthetics, I find that they blend into the urban landscape very well. I guess I'm very used to them, I'm a big tram fan, I find their more efficient and more on time than busses.

Anyways you're right, I don't drive often, infact I just absolutely loathe driving in KL. Its as if traffic rules don't exist, road courtesy surely doesn't. Everytime I come back to KL and drive, It feels like I'm about to have a heart attack behind the wheel, especially with all the sudden unpredictable mayhem of traffic that occurs on Malaysian roads.

Subangite
March 24th, 2006, 06:39 AM
At the moment, investment in alternative power source are expensive and there are semi-fossil ones around the globe like those hybrids. Having a totally new power source such as hydrogen-powered vehicles are prohibitively expensive and there aren't enuf fuelling stations. Fuel-cells is a good alternative but it needed more development.


As for using electricity which in turn uses renewable energy - it is highly unlikely in the near future because of the lack of infrastructure. Not only that but renewable energy sources tend to generate lesser electricity compared to those using fossil fuel and nuclear. ;)

What about Natural Gas busses, they emit less fumes, more environmentally friendly. Here in Brisbane there are busses that run on natural gas.

Subangite
March 24th, 2006, 07:43 AM
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8349/zet03190024ou.jpg

I took these trams from school. I hardly noticed the overhead wires.

mrtfreak
March 24th, 2006, 07:56 AM
I suppose its cause your used to them. Sort of numbed after seeing it there for a certain amount of time. Nothing against trams though, those in the picture look really modern.

James Foong
March 24th, 2006, 05:09 PM
we don't walk alot. Cycling is tiring. Taking bus makes yr lung sick. Getting to LRT station n park is a big hassle. Whichever public transport we have in malaysia, its a huge frustration. Inconsistent weather of hot and sudden thunderstorm, makes our life difficult to travel. The worst of all is the authority failed to implement the right way to make malaysians walk in a comfortable way, reducing safety concern and conductive pedestrian walkway. If they dont improve on that issue, its pointless to have lrt, tram or bus. After all, these services need the people to walk to their final destination.

mrtfreak
March 24th, 2006, 07:15 PM
we don't walk alot. Cycling is tiring. Taking bus makes yr lung sick. Getting to LRT station n park is a big hassle. Whichever public transport we have in malaysia, its a huge frustration. Inconsistent weather of hot and sudden thunderstorm, makes our life difficult to travel. The worst of all is the authority failed to implement the right way to make malaysians walk in a comfortable way, reducing safety concern and conductive pedestrian walkway. If they dont improve on that issue, its pointless to have lrt, tram or bus. After all, these services need the people to walk to their final destination.
Sir, isn't your answer then TAXIs? It seems pretty hard to please you then.

About walking to the final destination, is it that tiring to walk? You walk to the food centre to eat. No one complains about that (or do they?). Anyway, Singapore has what the world calls an excellent transport system. It requires walking as well. London has a good coverage. It requires walking as well... The list can go on and on. Bottom line, walkign isn't so bad, even world class systems need you to walk.

Attitude can change things around...

About connections, that is something I will agree with you on. At least the government is trying, with the touch n go. You HAVE to give them credit for that.

White_soX
March 24th, 2006, 11:31 PM
One thing I like about Malaysia is taxi, as I put my hand up at KL, TWO THREE will come. No frust.

szehoong
March 25th, 2006, 08:14 AM
One thing I like about Malaysia is taxi, as I put my hand up at KL, TWO THREE will come. No frust.



I have to disagree with that. Compared to taxis in neighbouring countries (Bangkok and Singapore), we are very very lacking in terms of numbers of taxis on the road.

Okay.....maybe you are lucky downtown but then again you have to tell them where you are going and see if they would like to go there or not :D Then once inside you have to 'persuade' them again for them to use the meter (esp to popular destination).

Finally the taxi size. Our Proton Wiras and Iswaras are pathetic if compared with Singapore's Nissan Cedric and Toyota Crown. Bangkok uses a lot of Toyota Altis and Nissan Sentra ;)

szehoong
March 25th, 2006, 08:17 AM
What about Natural Gas busses, they emit less fumes, more environmentally friendly. Here in Brisbane there are busses that run on natural gas.



Well.....I heard that the govt is gonna use Natural gas busses soon sometime last year ;)

ANyway most (if not all) of Klang Valley taxis are NGV (Natural Gas Vehicle) ;)

szehoong
March 25th, 2006, 08:22 AM
Point taken about the trams, personally with regards to aesthetics, I find that they blend into the urban landscape very well. I guess I'm very used to them, I'm a big tram fan, I find their more efficient and more on time than busses.

Anyways you're right, I don't drive often, infact I just absolutely loathe driving in KL. Its as if traffic rules don't exist, road courtesy surely doesn't. Everytime I come back to KL and drive, It feels like I'm about to have a heart attack behind the wheel, especially with all the sudden unpredictable mayhem of traffic that occurs on Malaysian roads.




Well.....I find buses in Auckland, Singapore and HK runs like clockwork......very efficient :okay:

ANyway welcome to the world of KL driving! :D You should however try driving in Penang. Can you imagine that I (a KL driver) am always scared of driving in Penang? :D

Subangite
March 25th, 2006, 08:52 AM
I have to disagree with that. Compared to taxis in neighbouring countries (Bangkok and Singapore), we are very very lacking in terms of numbers of taxis on the road.

Okay.....maybe you are lucky downtown but then again you have to tell them where you are going and see if they would like to go there or not :D Then once inside you have to 'persuade' them again for them to use the meter (esp to popular destination).

Finally the taxi size. Our Proton Wiras and Iswaras are pathetic if compared with Singapore's Nissan Cedric and Toyota Crown. Bangkok uses a lot of Toyota Altis and Nissan Sentra ;)

I agree with you, compared to other cities, KL cabs aren't that many.

Even in downtown, some times it can be a real pain just waiting. Even taking a cab within the city, I've had cabbies that don't use the meter .

James Foong
March 25th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Sir, isn't your answer then TAXIs? It seems pretty hard to please you then.

About walking to the final destination, is it that tiring to walk? You walk to the food centre to eat. No one complains about that (or do they?). Anyway, Singapore has what the world calls an excellent transport system. It requires walking as well. London has a good coverage. It requires walking as well... The list can go on and on. Bottom line, walkign isn't so bad, even world class systems need you to walk.

Attitude can change things around...

About connections, that is something I will agree with you on. At least the government is trying, with the touch n go. You HAVE to give them credit for that.
Its nothing wrong to walk 30min to a station, provided there is a conductive pathway to use. Mr mrtfreak, don’t simply paint a bad picture on me or typical Malaysians as you judged. It’s not attitude change that’s matter, it’s how good we r getting the drive to change our choice of switching to public transport in a tropical weather country. How would the public opt for public transport if we continue to expand road, building new highways, n eating up the walkway space? R those pedestrians being short changed?

I m not talking about short walking nor complaining of little walking by few steps outside. You don’t get understand the dilemma of typical poor Malaysians having to face daily sort of trouble to travel. There is no point we have good transport system if we embark out from a bus or lrt and get hit by heavy rain or a flooded pathway in the end. For your reference, try KTM or any buses daily. And don’t tell me you r not sweating profusely walking under the 39 degree heat in a say 20minutes walk…up n down the narrow roadside pathway with hordes of fuming cars passing to work? You r like a bunch of people love to compare of great things in other places n thought it should be work here. It’s doesn’t necessary to work. It’s all about practicality and the situation we r having. Singapore is always thought to have excellent mrt service, but too little credit is given to their good planning of the walkway standard, which is part of their integration transport system.

mrtfreak
March 26th, 2006, 02:22 AM
Its nothing wrong to walk 30min to a station, provided there is a conductive pathway to use. Mr mrtfreak, don’t simply paint a bad picture on me or typical Malaysians as you judged. It’s not attitude change that’s matter, it’s how good we r getting the drive to change our choice of switching to public transport in a tropical weather country. How would the public opt for public transport if we continue to expand road, building new highways, n eating up the walkway space? R those pedestrians being short changed?

I m not talking about short walking nor complaining of little walking by few steps outside. You don’t get understand the dilemma of typical poor Malaysians having to face daily sort of trouble to travel. There is no point we have good transport system if we embark out from a bus or lrt and get hit by heavy rain or a flooded pathway in the end. For your reference, try KTM or any buses daily. And don’t tell me you r not sweating profusely walking under the 39 degree heat in a say 20minutes walk…up n down the narrow roadside pathway with hordes of fuming cars passing to work? You r like a bunch of people love to compare of great things in other places n thought it should be work here. It’s doesn’t necessary to work. It’s all about practicality and the situation we r having. Singapore is always thought to have excellent mrt service, but too little credit is given to their good planning of the walkway standard, which is part of their integration transport system.
I'm not painting a bad picture of you. I lived in Malaysia before and I've used the highly popular komuter from MidValley too, I know what it is like to use Malaysian transport, even buses too. Yeah, not all roads have pedestrian walkways (I walk 15 minutes from my gran's house to Taman Jaya LRT w/o a walkway).

But I stick by my attitude comment. If you were to look at yer country and say, why aren't all roads built with walkways? Why doesn't the government improve on this, on that, etc etc... Its a bit negative. Why not consider the positive and it'll make the day easier. At least you have some sort of exercise by walking. You don't need to drive so far in extremely heavy traffic all the way to work, just to the Park and Ride area.

Also, maybe a bit of preparedness could help. An umbrella would come in handy when it rains and there is a distance to walk. I walk 20 minutes each direction to work these days lugging a laptop and its power cables in my sling bag. I don't complain. And if it rains, I have an umbrella.

The government can only do so much, the citizens need to play their part by being thankful and proud of what they already have. Some sense of ownership would be good. Sure, every government could do more to improve things. But its attitude that looks at what is good and what is bad and chooses which side we dwell on.

White_soX
March 26th, 2006, 08:18 AM
Different people different problems!!!!!!!!!! :banana:

nazrey
October 18th, 2006, 10:25 AM
CM: Malacca to build mini-monorail
Tuesday October 17, 2006
By LEE YUK PENG
TheStar (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/10/17/nation/15743414&sec=nation)


MALACCA: The state government plans to build a mini-monorail similar to that on Sentosa Island in Singapore to help improve public transportation in the state, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said.

He invited private sector participation, saying that the state government would provide the land to the company to build the monorail.

The monorail would start at Melaka Sentral and connect to Semabok, Melaka Raya, Kota Laksamana and return to Melaka Sentral.

It would also cross the Malacca River before returning to Melaka Sentral, he said.

Mohd Ali said the state government was conducting a study, expected to take three months, to improve the public transportation system in the state.

He said this in his reply to Datuk Chong Tam On (BN – Bemban) during the question and answer session at the state assembly meeting yesterday.

Mohd Ali said the study would focus on transportation in Melaka Tengah and within a 5km radius of Melaka Sentral.

The study would include public buses and taxi services in the state, he said.

Mohd Ali also told Betty Chew (DAP – Kota Laksamana) that the construction of the monorail would not damage historical artefacts in the state.

“The presence of the monorail would add value to the Malacca River,” he said, adding that the project did not involve the tearing down of any museums or the A’ Famosa gate.

Another proposal was a cable car linking Bukit Senjuang to Pulau Melaka, Mohd Ali said, adding that he hoped the project would attract developers.

The land reclamation project along the coastline, stretching from Umbai, Telok Mas, Banda Hilir, Ujong Pasir, Tengkera, Limbongan and Klebang to Tanjung Kling, was carried out to increase state land.

Mohd Ali said the purpose of reclaiming land by 22 companies involving 181ha was to facilitate the provision of infrastructure, as well as promote residential and commercial development for local residents.

allurban
October 18th, 2006, 01:05 PM
TheStar (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/10/17/nation/15743414&sec=nation)

MALACCA: The state government plans to build a mini-monorail similar to that on Sentosa Island in Singapore to help improve public transportation in the state, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said.

<SNIP>
Mohd Ali said the state government was conducting a study, expected to take three months, to improve the public transportation system in the state.
ummmmmmmmmmm

"not a terrible idea" is what I will say....

"the new sentosa monorail, or the old one?" is what I will ask....

"tell me more about the study to improve the public transport system, please," I would add.....

Tram system can be a lil'bit problem cause it use road. How about if they accidentaly stop on tram rail at traffic light like me yesterday at Houston Downtown

Dang, the tram nearly hit me so I run the red light, next thing I got warning from officer :)They call it the "wham-bam tram" for a reason :p

Cheers, m

teckkang
October 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM
cool idea, but hopefully they do a detailed study on the route, so that it will be as efficient as possible. i think passing through between Mahkota Parade and Dataran Pahlawan will be a must.:)

Lastresorter
October 20th, 2006, 06:34 PM
hmm... the question is, will this mini-monorail project destroy Malacca's historic value? Like the word "Sentral", seems like everyone is going on a monorail rush now... :dunno:

ignoramus
October 21st, 2006, 07:21 PM
I think they must be referring to the new monorail in Sentosa. Only an idiot would build the old sentosa monorail (14 small monorail cars with 6 passengers per car, non air conditioned, slow) in this modern age. The new one will be more like light rail and looks acceptable for Melaka.

allurban
October 23rd, 2006, 10:38 AM
With this mini-monorail, the specific reference to Sentosa, and the plan for the observation tower (that will resemble the Carlsberg skytower on Sentosa), it seems like a lot of inspiration is coming from there....

So I would like to ask another question...who went to Sentosa recently??? I think they must be referring to the new monorail in Sentosa. Only an idiot would build the old sentosa monorail (14 small monorail cars with 6 passengers per car, non air conditioned, slow) in this modern age. The new one will be more like light rail and looks acceptable for Melaka.Hope so. It was the word "mini" that scared me, making me think of Sunway's mini-monorail...and the fact that it sounds like someone went to Sentosa and thought...hey, we can do these things in Melaka too

One also wonders if this project is meant to be an amusement or a realistic transit system? Melaka certainly needs more than the Sentosa Express!

I think that if they do build a monorail it should run along the road that passes by the Century Mahkota apartments and the Mahkota Parade and the hospital, instead of running along/near the river, Dataran Pahlawan and the historic area.

This would also allow service to Melaka Raya, and perhaps a shuttle bus to Pulau Melaka. Maybe it could include a station near/in that abandoned project in Melaka Raya....

Cheers, m

pynshi91
November 11th, 2006, 04:41 PM
malacca town road is already so narrow,don't know how is a monorail going to fit in it....~~

acela
November 12th, 2006, 04:36 AM
i think building a monorail is useless for a town like melaka.if they want a proper transportation sys they should make a masterplan which should start from town planning, road system and so on.But if building an lrt in a messy city like melaka,actually it is a waste of public money.besides that having multiple rail transit is also a not good as many system requires different maintenance hence this will lead to higher cost.just look a kl how many system they ,3? all of them are having some sort of problem different maintenance skill, diff. type of rolling stock.i think proper planning is a must.building infrastructure is easy but to make the system work requires proper planning and thinking and timing.may be this is something we cannot accept.

pynshi91
November 12th, 2006, 10:34 AM
i agree also.....Imagine lar....Malacca town....All the unique colonial buildings....really makes you feelyou feel that you have been transported back into the past,,,then suddenly one monorail cut though the view.....hmmmm...tak padan..

teckkang
November 12th, 2006, 02:26 PM
i think building a monorail is useless for a town like melaka.if they want a proper transportation sys they should make a masterplan which should start from town planning, road system and so on.But if building an lrt in a messy city like melaka,actually it is a waste of public money.besides that having multiple rail transit is also a not good as many system requires different maintenance hence this will lead to higher cost.just look a kl how many system they ,3? all of them are having some sort of problem different maintenance skill, diff. type of rolling stock.i think proper planning is a must.building infrastructure is easy but to make the system work requires proper planning and thinking and timing.may be this is something we cannot accept.

i agree with u the point about proper maintenance. but, if the mini monorail is built juz outside the and not within the historical city zone, i think that's good thing to note. This is because this can reduce the number of tourist buses entering and driving into the narrow streets (don't u think buses and motor vehicles driving through the old chinatown is an eyesore????) and maybe increase number of pedestrians walking along the old and narrow streets as it's getting easier to get into chinatown with monorail (no traffic jam, no car parking), and slowly and gradually, parts of the old chinatown will be totally pedestrianised. And, this brings back the old atmosphere of the chinatown where it's motor-vehicle free.
So, overally, I totally agree with this mini monorail, given that it doesn't spoil the view of the old chinatown.
:| :cool: :okay: :wink2:

mrtfreak
November 12th, 2006, 04:08 PM
i think building a monorail is useless for a town like melaka.if they want a proper transportation sys they should make a masterplan which should start from town planning, road system and so on.But if building an lrt in a messy city like melaka,actually it is a waste of public money.besides that having multiple rail transit is also a not good as many system requires different maintenance hence this will lead to higher cost.just look a kl how many system they ,3? all of them are having some sort of problem different maintenance skill, diff. type of rolling stock.i think proper planning is a must.building infrastructure is easy but to make the system work requires proper planning and thinking and timing.may be this is something we cannot accept.
Its not the number of different systems involved, its the standard of maintainence that matters. Take Singapore for example. SMRT manages rail, bus and taxi services. Under rail, it operates both heavy and light rail running on two different systems. Yet it manages to maintain them well. SBS Transit manages rail and bus services as well. And under rail, it also has both heavy and light rail services.

Its the standard of maintainence that matters as I've said. As for the monorail in historic areas, maybe it could be made to blend in with the landscape. But I too agree that it shouldn't kill the atmosphere of the area.

CommuterK
January 2nd, 2007, 09:55 AM
I think they should not have anything rail networks elevated in Malacca. Consider a tram system instead like the ones still in use in other cities with historical appreciation like European cities.

BTW, thank goodness that viewing tower is not going to be implemented. Right now, I think the authorities need to have a good look of Malacca city. The tall bldgs among the pre-war bldgs look so much like a city lost in identity.

Perhaps, a new radical step to take: create Malacca's twin city with truly well-linked transport system to the old city so that all that tall bldgs can be relocated and reconstruct nostalgic Malacca old city.

White_soX
January 2nd, 2007, 01:04 PM
Hah, mini monorail...............I think the state gov. mean widening the road, no? Went there last week, no traffic jam..........from the toll to the "Melaka-KLIA version sentral" no jam......At the Mahkota Parade, yes traffic at night, perhaps they should consider the "right" place of building the Pahlawan thing before they even build it.....

teckkang
January 3rd, 2007, 11:06 AM
Hah, mini monorail...............I think the state gov. mean widening the road, no? Went there last week, no traffic jam..........from the toll to the "Melaka-KLIA version sentral" no jam......At the Mahkota Parade, yes traffic at night, perhaps they should consider the "right" place of building the Pahlawan thing before they even build it.....

yea, melaka's traffic is still very smooth. But sometimes during peak hour can be quite congested, especially road heading to batu berendam, ayer keroh, melaka sentral and certain parts in melaka city centre. During festival times, whole melaka city can be very congested. and sometimes during long holidays, it can be a little congested. so, it's not constant.
anyway, mini monorail is a good idea, as long as it doesn't destroy melaka heritage value, and i think tram can be a good idea, but melaka's roads are too narrow. so, instead of tram, i think a more enhanced and advanced bus system like that of most europe main cities is more appropriate.

and, pedestrianised-street in Melaka old town is more ideal, instead of allowing heavy vehicles (like bus) going through it. ^_^

nazrey
August 18th, 2007, 07:26 AM
LRT and ERL in Malacca district plan
Wednesday October 11, 2006
By THOMAS TAN

http://www.tropical-serene.nl/melaka/pict_star/se_03zaini.jpg

Koh (left) and Zaini viewing the 2003-2015 Melaka Tengah
Local District Planning Draft in Malacca recently.

MALACCA: Malaysia's historical city Malacca is expected to have its own Light Rail Transit (LRT) system and Express Rail Link (ERL) by 2015.

Under the draft district plan for Melaka Tengah, the LRT will serve Melaka Sentral and Malacca International Trade Centre, while the ERL will be linked to KL International Airport.

However, Mayor Datuk Zaini Md Noor said the proposed development plan would depend on the needs of the people.

Zaini said a sub-terminal for buses and taxies would be built in Paya Rumput within the next 10 years as the population there was rising tremendously, especially in Cheng.

Among other projects planned for the state are the Multi Media Super Corridor, Batu Berendam Airport and Hang Tuah Jaya.

The state also projects the population in Melaka Tengah, which covers 30,445ha, to reach 520,000 by 2015.

The Melaka Tengah Local District Plan Draft was jointly prepared by the state Town and Local Planning Department and Malacca City Council.

The draft includes a written statement, maps, guidelines, management aspects, execution programm, future land usage, road, development areas, communication systems and landscaping.

Apart from this, the public, companies and other interested parties can ask Malacca City Council for a briefing on the development projects in their respective areas.

“If you have development ideas for the state or your housing area, you may submit them at Wisma Negeri between Sept 18 and Oct 17,” he said

The public has the opportunity to take part in the state's development by contributing ideas and suggestions for the proposed development that will take place within the next nine years.

“The people should seize the chance to check the development plans that the city council has for them,” said Zaini during the launch of the Melaka Tengah Local District Planning Draft at the city council building here recently.

The exhibition was launched by Kesidang state assemblyman Koh Nai Kwong.

“The exhibition is to inform the people on the proposed development in advance so that there will be no qualms when the planned projects takes place,” Zaini said.

cattivo
August 18th, 2007, 06:12 PM
2015 is a long way to go.

Pablo
August 19th, 2007, 09:59 AM
I'm not too sure whether both of these, LRT and ERL are highly demand for Malacca during 2015...

White_soX
August 19th, 2007, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I can see it work in very long time from now, thou I think Kulim might get first b4 melaka.

teckkang
August 20th, 2007, 05:26 AM
I'm not too sure whether both of these, LRT and ERL are highly demand for Malacca during 2015...

melaka has got such demand already i can say. during weekends, most streets are jam-packed with vehicles in the heart of melaka city. and i feel that melaka's oldtown is in most of times threaten with huge vehicles (bus, lorry) as well as cars. these vehicles juz zoom pass rows of centuries old shophouses thru narrow streets, and anything can happen to the houses and also tourists. the government shud pedestrianised the whole melaka oldtown or only the important parts, and build monorail that drops the tourists somewhere in the cities (of course not in the heart of oldtown) and tourists will hav to walk into the oldtown.

besides that, area around mahkota parade, dataran pahlawan and newton food village is always jam-packed with vehicles as well, especially during weekends. Im quite frustated havin to queue in traffic jam and couldn't find any alternative routes getting out from Melaka city (roads heading to and fro that area r very limited in alternatives).

so, im sure monorail can solve the problem with park and ride concept. cheers :cheers:

teckkang
August 20th, 2007, 05:30 AM
With this mini-monorail, the specific reference to Sentosa, and the plan for the observation tower (that will resemble the Carlsberg skytower on Sentosa), it seems like a lot of inspiration is coming from there....

So I would like to ask another question...who went to Sentosa recently??? Hope so. It was the word "mini" that scared me, making me think of Sunway's mini-monorail...and the fact that it sounds like someone went to Sentosa and thought...hey, we can do these things in Melaka too

One also wonders if this project is meant to be an amusement or a realistic transit system? Melaka certainly needs more than the Sentosa Express!

I think that if they do build a monorail it should run along the road that passes by the Century Mahkota apartments and the Mahkota Parade and the hospital, instead of running along/near the river, Dataran Pahlawan and the historic area.

This would also allow service to Melaka Raya, and perhaps a shuttle bus to Pulau Melaka. Maybe it could include a station near/in that abandoned project in Melaka Raya....

Cheers, m

i love ur ideas!!! :banana: :banana:

allurban
August 20th, 2007, 08:03 AM
tq.

As far as I know, the connection to the ERL will come first. With the proposed KL Singapore HSR, it will likely stop at Port Dickson and Melaka.

Where in Melaka tho? Likely closer to Ayer Keroh than the old town.

Anyways, when I look at Melaka I see 2 or 3 lines initially...one along the coast, one heading from Plaza Mahkota/Pulau Melaka inland to Melaka Sentral, and another north-south line inland.

but here is the key feature...instead of waiting for an LRT to solve the problems, just revamp the bus system, put rapid buses on these routes, and watch the changes take place....

There are many examples of how psychology, branding, and advertising can change people's attitudes towards using the buses...and make a bus service into something "unbus"

Maybe with the Rapid Terengganu service appearing, maybe other governments will start to realize the value of the revamped systems.

Cheers, m

teckkang
August 20th, 2007, 08:47 AM
tq.

As far as I know, the connection to the ERL will come first. With the proposed KL Singapore HSR, it will likely stop at Port Dickson and Melaka.

Where in Melaka tho? Likely closer to Ayer Keroh than the old town.

Anyways, when I look at Melaka I see 2 or 3 lines initially...one along the coast, one heading from Plaza Mahkota/Pulau Melaka inland to Melaka Sentral, and another north-south line inland.

but here is the key feature...instead of waiting for an LRT to solve the problems, just revamp the bus system, put rapid buses on these routes, and watch the changes take place....

There are many examples of how psychology, branding, and advertising can change people's attitudes towards using the buses...and make a bus service into something "unbus"

Maybe with the Rapid Terengganu service appearing, maybe other governments will start to realize the value of the revamped systems.

Cheers, m

from what i've seen so far, the Melaka ppl r quite likely to use public transports. Most of the buses in Melaka r always heavily used by the ppl. But the buses are not in good condition. Most of them r old and polluting. That's y i think melaka public transportation has got great potential to be developed into a world-class one. :cheers: :cheers:

bootluy
August 20th, 2007, 08:58 AM
If i not wrong, the government will adapt an open-sky policies in 2009. By then any airlines within the regions are able to fly to any destinations in malaysia without restrictions. Is there a need to have ERL to melaka?

teckkang
August 20th, 2007, 12:39 PM
If i not wrong, the government will adapt an open-sky policies in 2009. By then any airlines within the regions are able to fly to any destinations in malaysia without restrictions. Is there a need to have ERL to melaka?

yes, it's feasible. more commuters can travel between KL and Melaka faster and more frequently. so, this can ease the traffic along NSE. Imaging KL is juz half an hour away from Melaka. Pretty cool right.

Melaka airport can't handle such huge increase of passenger. So, air is not the solution for KL-Melaka route, though it might be ideal for Melaka-Singapore route :cheers:

bootluy
August 21st, 2007, 04:37 AM
yes, it's feasible. more commuters can travel between KL and Melaka faster and more frequently. so, this can ease the traffic along NSE. Imaging KL is juz half an hour away from Melaka. Pretty cool right.

Melaka airport can't handle such huge increase of passenger. So, air is not the solution for KL-Melaka route, though it might be ideal for Melaka-Singapore route :cheers:

The distance btw melaka and klia is not that short as kl-klia. if the operator can provide a 30minutes interval services, it required more coaches to ply that route which is not feasible in the business point of view. Furthermore, how much they can mark-up charges?

allurban
August 21st, 2007, 08:04 AM
The distance btw melaka and klia is not that short as kl-klia. if the operator can provide a 30minutes interval services, it required more coaches to ply that route which is not feasible in the business point of view. Furthermore, how much they can mark-up charges?it would be more likely that you have the KL-Singapore express follow the ERL route past the airport, with stops at KLIA, Port Dickson, Melaka, Danga Bay, Checkpoint, Changi...

if possible....after all, this is a high speed train...but not a "non-stop" train....

if public transport is revamped in Melaka, then people in KL and Singapore will be able to travel there easily for a weekend, while Melaka people can travel to KL for work / shopping easily.

Cheers, m

teckkang
August 21st, 2007, 12:49 PM
it would be more likely that you have the KL-Singapore express follow the ERL route past the airport, with stops at KLIA, Port Dickson, Melaka, Danga Bay, Checkpoint, Changi...

if possible....after all, this is a high speed train...but not a "non-stop" train....

if public transport is revamped in Melaka, then people in KL and Singapore will be able to travel there easily for a weekend, while Melaka people can travel to KL for work / shopping easily.

Cheers, m

then, melaka tourism will develop dramatically. I realize that many singaporeans love to come to melaka during weekends. and also, with the ERL, tourists from other countries may be able to come to melaka more easily directly from KLIA. To learn about Malaysia is to start with where the civilization begun - Melaka. cheers. Then ppl can continue their journey from Melaka via Melaka Sentral :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers:

brain_failure
August 21st, 2007, 01:51 PM
it would be more likely that you have the KL-Singapore express follow the ERL route past the airport, with stops at KLIA, Port Dickson, Melaka, Danga Bay, Checkpoint, Changi...

if possible....after all, this is a high speed train...but not a "non-stop" train....

if public transport is revamped in Melaka, then people in KL and Singapore will be able to travel there easily for a weekend, while Melaka people can travel to KL for work / shopping easily.

Cheers, m

great, 'work in kl, live in malacca', juz like work in kl, live in seremban.

forrestcat
August 21st, 2007, 02:08 PM
Its been long since there's news of the HSL to S'pore. Jadi ke?

I like the idea of connection to Malacca.Its one city i'd like to visit often.:)

cooltemper
August 22nd, 2007, 07:46 AM
Yes, it will be good for Melaka in term of tourist in flux.
Melaka is really a nice place.

hetfield85
November 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM
November 20, 2007 19:42 PM

Melaka To Have Monorail If Investors Keen

MELAKA, Nov 20 (Bernama) -- The Melaka government is prepared to introduce the monorail to ease traffic congestion in the historical city if there is an investor keen to participate in the project, the State Assembly was told Tuesday.

Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said the monorail would cover 12 kilometres from Ayer Keroh through Jalan Ong Kim Wee, Jalan Pantai, Melaka Raya, Ujong Pasir, Simpang Empat, Semabok to Melaka Sentral.

"It can be implemented at any time if an investor is interested in the project," he said when replying to a question from Datuk Chong Tam On (BN-Bemban).

Mohd Ali said a local company was conducting a study on the monorail.

He also said that the state government has sent a proposal to the federal government to extend the railway commuter service from Seremban to Melaka city or from Tampin to Melaka city.

-- BERNAMA

nazrey
November 21st, 2007, 02:53 AM
Malacca may set up monorail
Wednesday November 21, 2007
TheStar


MALACCA: A local company is carrying out a feasibility study on a monorail system in the state, Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said.

He said a 12km network linking Ayer Keroh, Melaka Sentral, Ong Kim Wee and Taman Melaka Raya had been proposed.

Replying to an original question from Datuk Chong Tam On (BN – Bemban), he said the monorail system could be implemented as long as there were investors for the project.

Mohd Ali said the system would assist in overcoming congestion as well as providing a long-term efficient transport system for the state.

“This monorail system is used in many main cities in the world and is more practical to be implemented as it uses elevated tracks and stations, reducing the problem of the acquisition of land,” he said.

On another matter, Malacca will continue to have a surplus Budget for next year in line with the state government’s vision to achieve developed state status in 2010.

Mohd Ali, who tabled the Budget, said the state was expected to spend RM311.7mil against a projected revenue of RM311.9mil next year.

“There is a need for such a huge expenditure for infrastructure and social development projects to achieve the developed state status,” he said.

Mohd Ali said the tax revenue of RM93mil is expected from rental of land while non-revenue tax of RM101.2mil is from investments, sale of houses, land premiums, services and rental and RM117.7mil more in Federal grants.

He said RM287.6mil of the Budget has been allocated for development and the remaining RM24.1mil for operating expenses for next year.

Mohd Ali said the state government had managed to collect RM217.45mil in revenue until September compared with RM191.07mil for the same period last year.

He said the government collected RM64.39mil in taxes, RM84.87mil in non-revenue taxes and RM68.19mil in other revenue.

Mohd Ali said several tourism events such as the Malacca Tourism Street Carnival, Malacca International Regatta, Pesta Sungai, Satu Dun Satu Industri, Malacca International Air Show, Malacca International Tourism Show, Lights Up Celebration, Raptor Watch and Pesta San Pedro would be continued next year to woo tourists.

allurban
November 21st, 2007, 06:23 AM
I can see at least 3 potential rapid transit lines in Melaka...

first, the Ayer Keroh - Melaka Raya - Melaka Sentral line

second, the coastal line

third, the Jalan Tun Razak line (likely a busway).

But seriously, I think that Melaka needs to revamp its bus system first, before looking at a monorail.

Cheers, m

achkeen10
November 21st, 2007, 10:08 AM
I can see at least 3 potential rapid transit lines in Melaka...

first, the Ayer Keroh - Melaka Raya - Melaka Sentral line

second, the coastal line

third, the Jalan Tun Razak line (likely a busway).

But seriously, I think that Melaka needs to revamp its bus system first, before looking at a monorail.

Cheers, m

I agree with you. They just launched the PANORAMA BUS in melaka town and not really very successful due to lack of passengers. Therefore, i would say improve the bus system before implementing LRT or Monorail.

smoothcake
November 22nd, 2007, 10:11 AM
I can see at least 3 potential rapid transit lines in Melaka...

first, the Ayer Keroh - Melaka Raya - Melaka Sentral line

second, the coastal line

third, the Jalan Tun Razak line (likely a busway).

But seriously, I think that Melaka needs to revamp its bus system first, before looking at a monorail.

Cheers, m

yea definitely:)

nazrey
January 13th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Monorail for historical city
NST Online » Local News 2008/01/12

MALACCA: The Historical City may have its own monorail system costing RM1.5 billion connecting Ayer Keroh to Bandar Hilir. The proposed project is currently awaiting the nod from the Economic Planning Unit in the Prime Minister's Department and the Ministry of Transport.

Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said the proposed project, which would take six years to complete, would be undertaken by Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd.

© Copyright 2008 The New Straits Times Press (M) Berhad. All rights reserved.

White_soX
January 13th, 2008, 01:22 PM
absurd

KING BOB
January 13th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Six years?! How long did it take to complete the monorail for KL?

ethan
January 13th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Monorail for historical city
NST Online » Local News 2008/01/12

MALACCA: The Historical City may have its own monorail system costing RM1.5 billion connecting Ayer Keroh to Bandar Hilir. The proposed project is currently awaiting the nod from the Economic Planning Unit in the Prime Minister's Department and the Ministry of Transport.

Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said the proposed project, which would take six years to complete, would be undertaken by Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd.

© Copyright 2008 The New Straits Times Press (M) Berhad. All rights reserved.

They just propose it and still awaiting for proposal. Yet they tell the world about it. Wait until the proposal is on, then talk.........

dengilo
January 14th, 2008, 04:14 AM
Why in the world would they need a LRT system from air keroh to bandar hilir!!!All they need to do is upgrade the present road to 3 lanes and may be remove some of trafic lights!IT takes almost 30 min to drive the 17 km from town to the highway!!ON a slow good traffic DAY.

Magician
January 14th, 2008, 07:43 AM
This is how our government spend the tax-payers' money!

allurban
January 14th, 2008, 09:45 AM
Why in the world would they need a LRT system from air keroh to bandar hilir!!!All they need to do is upgrade the present road to 3 lanes and may be remove some of trafic lights!IT takes almost 30 min to drive the 17 km from town to the highway!!ON a slow good traffic DAY.widening roads is not the only answer...^^

Besides, Melaka is a tourist place, so a monorail would fit in nicely with government plans to make it a tourist trap :ohno:

Hehhehe I think that a monorail line from Ayer Keroh to Melaka Raya/"Pulau" Melaka would be far better than Ayer Keroh to Bandar Hilir...and it should link to a rapid tram line along the coast from the south end of the city to the north end. The Parking lot at Mahkota hospital becomes the interchange for the two lines...

the 3rd line would be an east-west Bus-rapid transit line, further inland.

Cheers, m

teckkang
January 14th, 2008, 12:13 PM
Why in the world would they need a LRT system from air keroh to bandar hilir!!!All they need to do is upgrade the present road to 3 lanes and may be remove some of trafic lights!IT takes almost 30 min to drive the 17 km from town to the highway!!ON a slow good traffic DAY.

I totally disagree with you. WIDENING HIGHWAY IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! this will definitely encourage ppl to use cars, and all those cars end up overcrowding Melaka oldtown. THat's the least thing that I wan to see. Melaka oldtown was evolved organically in human scale, not motorised vehicles. N m i seriously concerned about the motorised lanes of Melaka oldtown, at anytime, Melaka most valuable assets (herritage buildings) are at risk of being destroyed by crash caused by motor vehicles, and safety of pedestrians in the old town is at risk as well.

There are only two ways in which Melaka government can go about this, revamp the aging and deterioting public transport system (rapid Melaka, maybe), or mini-monorail as mean to transport ppl into the city (but i think underground metro would be better since it won't spoil the existing cityscape as elevated monorail might be a little bit overpowering). I think the former suggestion will be the most viable one.

Another point is that (a litthe off-topic) All the old lanes of Melaka old town should be resurfaced with bricks and blocks (like that of in front DPMM) because this will discourage motor-vehicles from entering that area. and the car-parkings should be limited only to those staying there. cheers. :)

allurban
January 15th, 2008, 03:51 AM
I totally disagree with you. WIDENING HIGHWAY IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! this will definitely encourage ppl to use cars, and all those cars end up overcrowding Melaka oldtown. THat's the least thing that I wan to see. Melaka oldtown was evolved organically in human scale, not motorised vehicles. N m i seriously concerned about the motorised lanes of Melaka oldtown, at anytime, Melaka most valuable assets (herritage buildings) are at risk of being destroyed by crash caused by motor vehicles, and safety of pedestrians in the old town is at risk as well.

There are only two ways in which Melaka government can go about this, revamp the aging and deterioting public transport system (rapid Melaka, maybe), or mini-monorail as mean to transport ppl into the city (but i think underground metro would be better since it won't spoil the existing cityscape as elevated monorail might be a little bit overpowering). I think the former suggestion will be the most viable one.

Another point is that (a litthe off-topic) All the old lanes of Melaka old town should be resurfaced with bricks and blocks (like that of in front DPMM) because this will discourage motor-vehicles from entering that area. and the car-parkings should be limited only to those staying there. cheers. :)full agreement!

But, for your last point I would suggest that instead of using bricks/blocks, they replace the roads with concrete and simulate the appearance of blocks/bricks. A goode example is Jalan Masjid Kapitan Kling in Penang.

I fear that if they use bricks/blocks, things will be installed poorly, the blocks will get loosened, and it could be dangerous for pedestrians and cars as well.

If you have seen/know about the "SJ Uptown Street" you will know that blocks/bricks can turn into a mess if not done properly.

Cheers, m

OshHisham
January 15th, 2008, 04:06 AM
why on earth nobody in malaysian government thinks of TRAM...?

should singapore do it first and than malaysian government will simply 'copy'...?

monorai,lrt,monorai,lrt, monorail, lrt.....bored already!!!

patchay
January 15th, 2008, 06:14 AM
why on earth nobody in malaysian government don't even think of TRAM...?

Once upon a time, there was a TRAM proposal for KL ... ^^

Arkdriver
January 15th, 2008, 06:55 AM
Jalan masjid kapitan keling is not a good example. In fact many people complain about the bumpiness after they finished the job...it's really horrible ride on your car. Trust me...

teckkang
January 15th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Jalan masjid kapitan keling is not a good example. In fact many people complain about the bumpiness after they finished the job...it's really horrible ride on your car. Trust me...

that's exactly why old towns need this, to discourage motorist from entering it. Im sure currently the authority has been preparing alternative roads that by-pass heritage zone of the city (Melaka and Georgetown).

I'll be pleased to see more pedestrians than cars and buses strolling in the old town no more gigantic tourist buses or fast moving cars zooming pass rows of old shop houses. In fact, slower traffic means livelier town (in this case pedestrians) and make trishaw the main transport in the old town. maybe melaka government can provide free bicycles to tourists. :)

teckkang
January 15th, 2008, 11:46 AM
why on earth nobody in malaysian government thinks of TRAM...?

should singapore do it first and than malaysian government will simply 'copy'...?

monorai,lrt,monorai,lrt, monorail, lrt.....bored already!!!

tram is one of the cheapest ways, but after having seen many tram systems in europe cities, i think it's not as efficient as monorail or metro because it's sharing the roads with other motor-vehicles. It has to wait for traffic lights, and worst still is that it needs it's own lanes. so this means the roads hav to be widened or narrowed for this purpose. I think a revamped public bus service will do the job. and maybe bus lanes for important routes. :)

brain_failure
January 16th, 2008, 05:46 AM
Monorel tingkat sistem pengangkutan di Melaka

Oleh Amirullah Andi Nur


http://www.bharian.com.my/Saturday/Nasional/20080112020715/mainpix
TANDA RASMI: Tun Khalil menandatangani plak perasmian disaksikan Mohd Ali Rustam pada Majlis Perasmian Hotel Majestic Malacca di sini, semalam.

Projek mega RM1.5b dijangka ambil masa 6 tahun disiapkan

MELAKA: Projek monorel dirancang dibangunkan di bandar raya ini dengan kos dianggarkan bernilai RM1.5 bilion dalam usaha meningkatkan sistem pengangkutan dan menggalakkan pembangunan sektor ekonomi khususnya pelancongan di Melaka.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam, berkata projek mega itu akan dimajukan oleh Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd milik Datuk Lim Sue Beng dan dijangka mengambil masa enam tahun untuk disiapkan dalam dua peringkat.

Katanya, syarikat berkenaan sudah menyerahkan kertas cadangan kepada Unit Perancang Ekonomi (UPE), Jabatan Perdana Menteri dan Kementerian Pengangkutan Rabu lalu dan dijadual mengadakan pertemuan kedua awal bulan depan.

"Menariknya mengenai projek mega ini, kerajaan negeri atau pun Persekutuan tidak mengeluarkan satu sen pun peruntukan. Apa yang saya dimaklumkan, kerajaan negeri hanya menyediakan tapak.

"Bagaimanapun kita perlu menunggu kelulusan EPU dan Kementerian Pengangkutan sebelum dapat melaksanakan projek mega ini," katanya selepas perasmian Hotel Majestic Malacca oleh Yang di-Pertua Negeri, Tun Mohd Khalil Yaakob di sini, semalam.

Hotel klasik mewah yang menyediakan 54 bilik dan 150 kilometer dari Kuala Lumpur ini, dibangunkan oleh YTL Hotels and Properties Sdn Bhd dengan kos dianggarkan RM30 juta.

teckkang
January 16th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Projek mega RM1.5b dijangka ambil masa 6 tahun disiapkan

MELAKA: Projek monorel dirancang dibangunkan di bandar raya ini dengan kos dianggarkan bernilai RM1.5 bilion dalam usaha meningkatkan sistem pengangkutan dan menggalakkan pembangunan sektor ekonomi khususnya pelancongan di Melaka.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam, berkata projek mega itu akan dimajukan oleh Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd milik Datuk Lim Sue Beng dan dijangka mengambil masa enam tahun untuk disiapkan dalam dua peringkat.

Katanya, syarikat berkenaan sudah menyerahkan kertas cadangan kepada Unit Perancang Ekonomi (UPE), Jabatan Perdana Menteri dan Kementerian Pengangkutan Rabu lalu dan dijadual mengadakan pertemuan kedua awal bulan depan.

"Menariknya mengenai projek mega ini, kerajaan negeri atau pun Persekutuan tidak mengeluarkan satu sen pun peruntukan. Apa yang saya dimaklumkan, kerajaan negeri hanya menyediakan tapak.

"Bagaimanapun kita perlu menunggu kelulusan EPU dan Kementerian Pengangkutan sebelum dapat melaksanakan projek mega ini," katanya selepas perasmian Hotel Majestic Malacca oleh Yang di-Pertua Negeri, Tun Mohd Khalil Yaakob di sini, semalam.

Hotel klasik mewah yang menyediakan 54 bilik dan 150 kilometer dari Kuala Lumpur ini, dibangunkan oleh YTL Hotels and Properties Sdn Bhd dengan kos dianggarkan RM30 juta.

allurban
January 17th, 2008, 07:28 AM
I hope they build this as a serious monorail and not play-play (like Sunway).

1.5 billion seems like a small amount for the length of this route...assuming a cost of about RM100 million per km....

so I hope they are really thinking carefully....about building real public transportation, not just something for the tourists.

Cheers, m

nazrey
February 28th, 2008, 02:41 PM
RM1.8b Aerorail plan for Melaka
by Nadia S Hassan, 28 Feb 2008 3:49 PM
THEEDGEDAILY

MELAKA: Little-known Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd is planning to build a RM1.8 billion Aerorail urban mass transit system in Melaka. In addition to the Aerorail system that would be completed in the next four years, the company is also planning to build a total of 10 hotels, all located at the stations along the track alignment of the Aerorail system.

“We are hoping to start construction in the next six months. We are currently seeking approvals from the relevant authorities,” said Pyramid Express managing director Datuk Lim Sue Beng.

Speaking at the groundbreaking ceremony of the first Aerorail Hotel and Station at Lebuh Ayer Keroh yesterday, Lim said that the state will provide the land while the company would fund and manage the project. Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam officiated at the ground-breaking ceremony.

Pyramid Express will build, operate and manage the Aerorail system, while technical and project management support will be provided by Pinggiran Pelangi Sdn Bhd, the local agent of US-based Aerobus International. If successful in its endeavour this will be the first system of its kind in Malaysia and Southeast Asia.

According to Lim, unlike monorail or light rail transit systems, Aerorail carriages are suspended from cables. He said that among the advantages of the Aerorail is its low-construction cost and low energy consumption.

All the hotels will be managed by Leisure Group Hotels & Resorts Sdn Bhd, which currently manages the Dynasty Hotel Kuala Lumpur and the Empress Hotel Sepang, among others. Both the hotels are part of listed Gula Perak Bhd, where Lim is the executive director.

According to Lim, the project will be carried out in two phases and will eventually stretch 18.4 km, starting at the Ayer Keroh toll plaza and ending at the Mahkota Medical Centre in Bandar Hilir.

Of the RM1.8 billion, the hotels are expected to cost RM500 million. According to Lim, the building of the second phase will only start after the first phase – which covers 9.6 km – has been fully repaid.

“Operational costs for the monorail are expected to be around RM600,000 per month. However a one-way ticket between Ayer Keroh and Bandar Hilir will cost only RM4.30,” said Lim. The Aerorail is expected to help ease traffic congestion in Melaka as well as cater to the booming tourist trade.

allurban
February 29th, 2008, 11:31 AM
I hope they build this as a serious monorail and not play-play (like Sunway).

1.5 billion seems like a small amount for the length of this route...assuming a cost of about RM100 million per km....

so I hope they are really thinking carefully....about building real public transportation, not just something for the tourists.

Cheers, moh well...there goes that hope....
:ohno:

Cheers, m

Irwin
February 29th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Is this an election gimmick??:nuts::nuts::nuts:

dengilo
March 1st, 2008, 05:18 AM
There can be no doubt its a election sandiwara!!!

szehoong
March 1st, 2008, 06:10 AM
I dunno if anyone of ya remember.....last time I think Darjah 2 / 3 textbook got this Aerorail story because last time they proposed for KL. Anyway this Aerorail thingy is cheap but I dun think it is practical lah. Last time we had a thread (a long time ago) on Aerorail.......dunno if anyone remembered. :yes:

szehoong
March 1st, 2008, 06:45 AM
I hope they build this as a serious monorail and not play-play (like Sunway).

1.5 billion seems like a small amount for the length of this route...assuming a cost of about RM100 million per km....

so I hope they are really thinking carefully....about building real public transportation, not just something for the tourists.

Cheers, m


Actually Sunway is not play-play actually, just that they have lack of stations and the location is not too good. The monorail at Sunway are as large as those Bombardier ones (maybe slightly smaller but almost the same) at Walt Disney World so they too could become serious people movers if implemented right. IN fact the monorail are used a lot by Sunway College and Monash University students to go to Sunway Pyramid.

In fact there are plans to add more monorail stations and the second monorail loop to the Sunway monorail (that interchanges with the Subang KTM Komuter station) but it did not materialised.

clarence
March 1st, 2008, 12:31 PM
Aerorail in Malacca – is this a right move?

WHEN it was announced that Malacca city would have a revolving tower and LRT or monorail, I was definitely intrigued by the proposal. After all, Malacca does need some improvements to public transportation and a revolving tower sounded like an interesting way to see this lovely historical city.

I am worried that the LRT or monorail would be designed with tourists in mind, instead of for the needs of Malacca’s population.

The Chief Minister recently announced the RM1.5 Billion “Aerorail” project, confirming that the urban transportation system that had been promised was not much more than a project for tourists.

The “Aerorail” is a name being given to the “Aerobus” technology built and marketed by Aerobus International.

The rail system is not an effective choice for an urban transportation system. What we have is a RM1.5bil “people-mover” system built to cater to the needs of tourists.

The design for the “Aerobus” shows a vehicle that is a combination of a cable car (like the Genting Skyway or Panorama Langkawi) and a small monorail system (like the Sunway monorail). This technology is interesting but largely untried.

There have only been two applications of the “Aerobus” so far. The first was a test line in Mannheim, Germany, and the other was at a ski resort in Quebec, Canada. Neither of these lines is still operating.

There is a tourist-oriented “Aerobus” under construction in Wei Hai, China.

Interestingly enough, the “Aerobus” was even proposed for Kuala Lumpur in the 1990s, but ultimately rejected in favour of the monorail.

I am not criticizing the Malacca Government for choosing the Aerobus system to build their “Aerorail” line for tourists. In fact, for a tourist-focused line, this technology actually makes sense.

However, what disappoints me is that the State Government has encouraged us to believe that it was building an urban transportation system to reduce traffic congestion in Malacca.

I am now concerned that the proposed “Aerorail” would do little to improve traffic congestion and also prevent a proper urban transportation system from being built.

The well-documented failure of the Las Vegas Monorail should be an example of what not to follow.

The last thing that Malacca needs is a poorly designed, costly, unpopular and unused system that only benefits tourists.

Also, what is going to be done to improve public transportation and traffic congestion in Malacca over the next six years, while the project is under construction?

Malacca still needs a properly organised bus system with decent, frequent service, as well as additional roads and flyovers to reduce traffic congestion in the urban areas.


MOAZ YUSOF AHMAD,
Subang Jaya.

theStar, March 1, 2008 (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/1/focus/20485637&sec=focus)

Arkdriver
March 1st, 2008, 01:37 PM
that's allurban

dengilo
March 1st, 2008, 03:35 PM
sze hoong if i am not mistaken the preposed system for KL was from KL Plaza Bukit Bintang)to Sogo!This was in the early 80ss.

allurban
March 3rd, 2008, 09:34 AM
Actually Sunway is not play-play actually, just that they have lack of stations and the location is not too good. The monorail at Sunway are as large as those Bombardier ones (maybe slightly smaller but almost the same) at Walt Disney World so they too could become serious people movers if implemented right. IN fact the monorail are used a lot by Sunway College and Monash University students to go to Sunway Pyramid.

In fact there are plans to add more monorail stations and the second monorail loop to the Sunway monorail (that interchanges with the Subang KTM Komuter station) but it did not materialised.hmmmm...I agree with you that the monorail could be a good people mover...but I dont think that Sunway has invested properly into it.

The reason for not investing...because they can twist the arm of the local ADUN (Now candidate for Parliament) to get the LRT to come close to Sunway...no matter the cost....

I also dont agree with the idea of the 3 single track loops...if they want to loop it should be constructed completely, and double tracked all the way...

I have a proposal that I sent to the state government to expand the Sunway Monorail to cover PJS6, 7, 8, and 9...and link these points to the two KTM stations, Seri Setia and Setia Jaya.

Cheers, m

OshHisham
March 3rd, 2008, 09:48 AM
allurban, government now has a website where you can direct complaint to PM on whatever matters....

http://www.warkahuntukpm.com.my/english.php

haze
March 7th, 2008, 08:50 AM
Melaka bina monorel RM15 juta
07/03/2008 11:45am


MELAKA 7 Mac – Melaka bakal memiliki monorel dua platform bernilai RM15 juta yang akan dibina sepanjang Sungai Melaka bermula dari Jambatan Hang Jebat, sejauh 1.6 kilometer.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd. Ali Rustam yang mengumumkan pembinaan projek itu berkata, ia dijangka siap dalam tempoh setahun.

MALAYSIAN
March 7th, 2008, 12:13 PM
When the project start?:banana:

jieloe
March 7th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Melaka bina monorel RM15 juta
07/03/2008 11:45am


MELAKA 7 Mac – Melaka bakal memiliki monorel dua platform bernilai RM15 juta yang akan dibina sepanjang Sungai Melaka bermula dari Jambatan Hang Jebat, sejauh 1.6 kilometer.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd. Ali Rustam yang mengumumkan pembinaan projek itu berkata, ia dijangka siap dalam tempoh setahun.

for what?????:nuts::nuts:

teckkang
March 7th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Melaka bina monorel RM15 juta
07/03/2008 11:45am


MELAKA 7 Mac – Melaka bakal memiliki monorel dua platform bernilai RM15 juta yang akan dibina sepanjang Sungai Melaka bermula dari Jambatan Hang Jebat, sejauh 1.6 kilometer.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd. Ali Rustam yang mengumumkan pembinaan projek itu berkata, ia dijangka siap dalam tempoh setahun.

huh??? r u serious??!!

forrestcat
March 8th, 2008, 12:13 AM
According to monorail.org, Malacca will use the aerobus system which is currently mostly used at tourist sites around the world, I believe China is the only country which uses this system as a form of public transport. I am not really sure if it's considered monorail coz the aerobus website seems to distinct this system from monorails.

travellator
March 8th, 2008, 04:56 AM
I think these are separate systems, a monorail and an aerobus. The monorail costs 15 mil while the aerobus cost 1.8 bil. their routes are also different

OshHisham
March 9th, 2008, 06:07 PM
just 1.6 km?...what!? how does it works then....? that's insanely short!! and if this thing does not connected to aerorail...then, it's f*cking stupid...

allurban
March 10th, 2008, 08:35 AM
I think that this is just a toy monorail....they mentioned it in the Star (South & East Metro section) this weekend...and even described it as a "Roller Coaster" project...

It is going to be located in Taman Rampah (not sure of the spelling) near the place where the Melaka River cruise starts.

Cheers, m

patchay
March 10th, 2008, 01:28 PM
WORLD'S SHORTEST MONORAIL LINE

wat a joke

OshHisham
March 10th, 2008, 06:42 PM
a 'play-play' project also wanna make a news headline?....next, what? RM100,000 chicken hut project also wanna make public ke?

teckkang
March 11th, 2008, 12:59 AM
sooner the whole Melaka will become a theme park :D :D

forrestcat
March 11th, 2008, 04:44 AM
sooner the whole Melaka will become a theme park :D :D

the Lost World of Rustam :lol:

dengilo
March 11th, 2008, 05:01 AM
What the hack is going on here!!! i have visited this so called taman herba 3 times.Since its a short walking distance from my grandma house,Everyone of the visits i wanted to get on one of the boats to town,sad to say i have not till now,The boat operators will say its low tide etc etc.I end up walking the whole length of the river to town,By the time i return usualy 3 hrs later .The same guys are still there playing cards!!! And now they need Monorail!!!!Next Ali Rustam would build a monorail system to putrajaya because thats where he really wants to be!!!!!

allurban
March 11th, 2008, 07:11 AM
Growth in Malacca tourism (http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/3/11/southneast/20579177&sec=southneast)
Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam noted that, in ensuring the tourism sector progressed for the benefit of the state and its people, the state was in the midst of implementing several new high impact tourism projects.

Among them is the development of Sungai Melaka at a cost of RM320mil as a new growth centre that will parallel San Antonio River in the United States for its beauty and cleanliness.

Several value-added projects are to be established along the banks of Sungai Melaka, among others the Casa Del Rio Boutique Hotel worth RM85mil, a ferris wheel, Viking ship and trampoline bungy worth RM3.3mil, water wheel worth RM1.5mil, the Customs, Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) Complex valued at RM35mil and a marina worth RM25mil.

The others are the Taming Sari revolving tower in Bandar Hilir worth RM24mil that will begin operations in March, the Planetarium and the Malacca International Bowling Centre each valued at RM20mil and Batik House valued at RM4mil, with all being set up at the Malacca International Trade Centre in Ayer Keroh.

The Malacca government through Tourism Malaysia, the Malacca State Tourism Action Committee and relevant agencies are always working out new ideas to turn Malacca into a compelling tourism centre in the region.

Even now, Malacca is the choice for many national and international events. This helps establish the state in the tourism map.

This year, several tourism itineraries have been lined up, including the Malacca Tourism Street Carnival at Hang Tuah Mall, Malacca International Regatta 2008, Sungai Melaka Fest, Malacca International Air Carnival and Malacca International Tourism Show.

The others are Light Up Celebration, Raptor Watch, Drums of The Malay Archipelago, Malacca Historical City International Run, San Pedro Fest and Songket and Batik Festival.

The state is giving emphasis to tourism events of international stature and is working to have the United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (Unesco) list Malacca as a world heritage site.

With the recognition, Malacca will remain as a tourism destination of choice for local and foreign tourists.

Toward this end, archaeological works on the Malacca Fort walls are being undertaken with an allocation of RM12.8mil from the Federal Government.

Apart from historical themes, Malacca also offers contemporary attractions like recreation centres, Crocodile Park, Mini Malaysia and Asean Park, Butterfly Park, Malacca Peacock and Bird Park, and Malacca Zoo.

There are more than 20 museums under the Malacca Museum Corporation and the private sector that have opened their doors to visitors from all over the world. Malacca is also a shopping heaven with many business outlets catering for the different tastes of the visitors.

Accommodation is of no problem because there are 5,096 hotel rooms, resort hotel rooms (2,458), chalets (484) and homestay rooms (136). Thus Malacca’s tourism industry will continue to prosper, bringing greater prosperity to the state and its people. – Bernama

Cheers, m

D_Y2k.2^
March 13th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Money wasted again...............

allurban
March 14th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Hi Everyone

The above is the exact title of a report (of sorts) that I have been asked to submit to the Ministry of Finance in preparation for Budget 2009. I have created a thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19025349#post19025349) with more information.

I find that the title is vague enough to allow me a lot of leeway, so this is what I am going to do...produce 2 reports.

One will be a summary of my views and opinions about the state of public transport in Malaysia, including 3 years worth of articles and letters.

The other report will be from the rakyat...a collection of opinions from the people of Malaysia - articles, letters, and direct submissions.

So, I am asking those of you who are interested...please reply to this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19025349#post19025349) with your perspectives on public transport in Malaysia and suggestions on how to improve it. You can also send your ideas to the following email address... transportkini@gmail.com

if you can be as specific as possible with the emails, (e.g. KTM Komuter, KTMB, RapidKL Bus, RapidKL LRT, Rapid Penang, Regulation of Public Transport, High Speed Rail, etc etc) that would be very helpful.

My goal is to swamp the Minstry of Finance with the opinions of the public who are just tired of poorly managed, poorly regulated, low quality public transport...as well as the opinions of those who see the good in what we have and the light at the end of the long dark tunnel.

I will not take credit for anyone's ideas that go into the 2nd report. I promise I will also give credit to others as much as possible, including a full credit each report.

Oh, and here is the fun thing...they want the report by 31 March 2008...

Cheers, m

Vince
March 14th, 2008, 09:43 AM
People are beginning to see that this project is a joke, another feel-good promise before the elections. Before bigger cities can even smell their own mass transit, how can a much smaller Melaka secure a major transportation project such as this? The government is not that wealthy.

bizzybody
July 17th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Hopefully we are able to see this in the near future...


http://www.geocities.com/bryantanmagic/aerobus/MalakaAerobus1.jpg
Aerobus entering Melaka Sentral...



http://www.geocities.com/bryantanmagic/aerobus/MalakaAerobus2.jpg
Aerobus departing Melaka Sentral...



http://www.geocities.com/bryantanmagic/aerobus/MalakaAerobus3.jpg
Aerobus crossing Malacca River...



http://www.geocities.com/bryantanmagic/aerobus/MalakaAerobus4.jpg
Aerobus bypassing A'Famosa...



http://www.geocities.com/bryantanmagic/aerobus/MalakaAerobus5.jpg
Aerobus gliding over tourist spot...

rizalhakim
July 18th, 2008, 04:48 AM
^^ dats scary....

dengilo
July 18th, 2008, 04:58 AM
Yahooooooo Melaka Bolehhhhhhhhhhhhh . NOT!!

TWK90
July 18th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Er...it looks out of place in my opinion...

teckkang
July 18th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Hopefully we are NOT able to see this in the future.

forrestcat
July 18th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Malacca should just stick to buses or trams.

tomkat
July 18th, 2008, 04:01 PM
The rendering is not entirely correct. Aerobus guideway is supported by a suspension bridge. So, in reality we would see a massive bridge towers and cables supporting the guideway. It is even uglier.

bart_shinoda
July 18th, 2008, 04:28 PM
OMG the artist impressions sucks and scary!!

TWK90
July 18th, 2008, 04:52 PM
Building this in World Heritage Site, is no-no, it doesn't blend to environment...

Bus is cheaper (and be a precusor to any mass transit, enough to serve local people if it is reliable) and will not kill the heritage atmosphere...

bizzybody
July 18th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Hahahahaha.Very funny feedback from you guys...

hetfield85
August 5th, 2008, 03:21 AM
MELAKA AWAITS MINISTRY NOD TO BUILD AERORAIL SYSTEM

Bernama - Tuesday, August 5

MELAKA, Aug 4 (Bernama) -- The Melaka state government is still waiting for approval from the Transport Ministry to build its RM1.8 billion Aerorail urban mass transit system, the first in Malaysia and South-East Asia.

Chief Minister, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam, said the ministry was currently studying the technical aspects of the project which would be a private sector project.

"The project has been agreed on based on policy and I hope it will be approved quickly," he said when asked by reporters at the state assembly here today.

Mohd Ali said the system, under construction in Beijing, was expected to be ready before the Olympics Games this Friday.

"However, it was delayed and will be completed next year. I had proposed to the developer, Pyramid Express Sdn Bhd, that it studies the suitability of the project in Beijing and in Melaka," he said.

He said the Aerorail would not only reduce traffic congestion and reduce air pollution but would help boost tourism where tourists arrivals were expected to reach eight million. -- BERNAMA

rizalhakim
August 5th, 2008, 05:22 AM
aerorail totally suck!!! not juz ugly in design but also kinda dangerous 4 me....and if paklah approve this, im sure the penang's gomen tottally will 'meletop' after that...hehe!!!:lol::nuts:

dengilo
August 5th, 2008, 05:32 AM
Any other system i am ok with it, but not this one!!!!

allurban
August 5th, 2008, 09:42 AM
transportkini@gmail.com

Dear Editor

RE: Melaka Awaits Ministry Nod To Build Aerorail System

It came as a surprise to me to read that the government of Melaka is still considering the Aerorail project and expressing hope that the Ministry of Transport would approve the proposed project.

I personally hope that the Ministry of Transport does not approve the project. The Aerorail design is quite unsuitable for Melaka and it would conflict with Melaka's recently approved UNESCO heritage status.

What is worse is that it appears that this special town which has a special place in Malaysian history and in the hearts of Malaysians, will be sold off to private interests. Melaka is littered with enough abandoned monuments to private speculation. The abandoned buildings at the centre of Melaka Raya and off Jalan Gajah Berang are hardly impressive.

If the Chief Minister and the government wants to show their interest in improving Melaka state and the town itself, they would invest in realistic, effective public transport projects that would move locals and tourists efficiently and comfortably, and revive some of the abandoned projects to make Melaka much more appealing and livable..

Reduction to much of the traffic congestion in Melaka could be easily achieved. For example, a flyover in the Mahkota area would reduce traffic congestion along Jalan Merdeka and Jalan Melaka Raya. Better public transportation could be achieved by reorganizing the bus system and using Bus Rapid Transit or rapid trams along major roads. Finally, more residental and mixed-use projects in the Melaka Raya and Jalan Hang Tuah areas would reduce the number of cars and increase demand for public transportation.

Projects like these would be more effective at reducing congestion and improving the movement of tourists, and help the lifestyle of Melaka residents as well. The benefits would be very high and the costs would be quite low.

Unfortunately, it seems that Chief Minister, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam is interested in turning Melaka into an oversized theme park accompanied by what appears to be an oversized theme-park ride. Despite claims, the Aerorail is not going to be a realistic public transport solution for Melaka and the benefits will not be worth the cost of construction.

Sincerely

Moaz Yusuf Ahmad

teckkang
August 5th, 2008, 11:30 AM
WE JUZ WANT A MORE EFFICIENT & REVAMPED BUS SYSTEM IN MELAKA!!! NOT THIS 'ALIEN' STUFF!!!

daeng_jal
August 5th, 2008, 12:36 PM
WE JUZ WANT A MORE EFFICIENT & REVAMPED BUS SYSTEM IN MELAKA!!! NOT THIS 'ALIEN' STUFF!!!


AGREED!!!

rizalhakim
August 6th, 2008, 06:24 AM
Melaka bakal guna sistem rangkaian aerorel
Oleh Amirullah Andi Nur
arullah@bharian.com.my

MELAKA: Sistem rangkaian aerorel pertama negara yang bakal dibina di Melaka dijangka menggunakan teknologi sama seperti diguna bagi membangunkan rangkaian pengangkutan berkenaan di Beijing, kata Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam.

Katanya, projek pengangkutan berkenaan sedang dibangunkan di ibu negara China itu dan dijadual siap tahun depan walaupun ia sepatutnya disiapkan sempena Sukan Olimpik 2008 bulan ini tapi tergendala akibat masalah teknikal.

"Kita merancang menggunakan konsep sistem aerorel di Beijing itu dan berharap pemaju projek di Melaka dapat ke sana bagi melihat sendiri pelaksanaannya bersama wakil Kementerian Pengangkutan. Projek ini akan dimulakan pembinaannya sebaik aspek teknikal berkaitan diluluskan kementerian terbabit," katanya.



Projek itu diumumkan pada Mac lalu, iaitu sebahagian daripada usaha kerajaan mengatasi masalah pengangkutan, di samping menyokong perkembangan industri pelancongan di Melaka yang bertambah pesat.

Ia dibangunkan menerusi dana inisiatif swasta (PFI) yang membabitkan pelaburan RM1.8 bilion. Projek sepanjang 11.8 kilometer ini menghubungkan Tol Ayer Keroh hingga ke pusat Bandaraya Melaka Bersejarah di Dataran Pahlawan.

Dalam pada itu, Mohd Ali berkata, kerajaan negeri berazam menarik kehadiran sejuta pelancong menaiki bot persiaran Sungai Melaka pada 2010 seperti dilakukan pihak berkuasa tempatan di Sungai San Antonio di Texas Amerika Syarikat.

Katanya, setakat ini 150,000 orang sudah menaiki produk pelancongan berkenaan sepanjang tujuh bulan pertama tahun ini.

cattivo
October 21st, 2010, 05:34 AM
http://www.hitzcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/melaka-monorail-start-at-31st-august.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TbCyI8_0sjU/S9aYHwQBQ-I/AAAAAAAAAy8/TfB3bN3f944/s1600/IMG_4459.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1050/4607275571_43c8a22e15_b.jpg

cattivo
October 21st, 2010, 05:40 AM
new about the launching yesterday:

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/newsbusiness.php?id=537104

sadly 4 hours after launching, the monorail stalled & I guess should be up & running by now.



well, they also plan for 32-storey hotel (tallest hotel in Malacca) for RM 400m soon.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=537072

rizalhakim
October 21st, 2010, 07:19 AM
is dat the monorail??? mcm barang mainan...

Khaw
October 21st, 2010, 09:35 AM
Why bother? Pedicab or becha should be enough for any "mass commuters from far-flung outlying suburbs" if there is such a thing around melaka.

dh maju dh
October 21st, 2010, 05:27 PM
alahai...... funny la.....

dengilo
October 22nd, 2010, 01:07 AM
China mali oh!!!

TYW
October 22nd, 2010, 07:11 AM
so the vision of development in malacca now is a theme park??

cattivo
October 22nd, 2010, 09:53 AM
no harm, but for RM 16.3m, I believe the CM did the right thing.

If he wanna wait for real monorail, going to take years for Federal to approved.

Well, at least he dare to bring up something.

rizalhakim
October 22nd, 2010, 09:58 AM
http://www.utusan.com.my/pix/2010/1021/Utusan_Malaysia/Selatan/ws_01.1.jpg

constipation
October 22nd, 2010, 12:10 PM
i luv the way CM changes Malacca into theme park city,the aerorail,the tram,monorail, the water transport, the streetscape n cafe..maybe KLites need to move out fr Klang Valley start to search the quality life which Malacca offered

arepull87
October 22nd, 2010, 12:44 PM
they said this monorail for riadah n pelancongan..not for the public transport..maybe it function same like theme park monorail...

proud_penangite
October 22nd, 2010, 07:40 PM
i think its good for Malacca's tourism. The monorail looks kinda cute!

lohxy
October 23rd, 2010, 06:20 AM
Heard the news that the monorail broke down because of technique issues.

dengilo
October 23rd, 2010, 10:23 AM
I want super roaller coasters not that !!!!!They better pay me to ride it!!!!

arepull87
October 23rd, 2010, 10:47 AM
but see the long que..look like there are still people love it....:)..i think malacca government one of the best in malaysia, tiny state but huge ambitious, really proud how they change sg melaka from one of the polluted river in malaysia to be a tourist attraction...it is still early to judge this monorail..i believe many people will come to ride it....

rizalhakim
October 23rd, 2010, 11:07 AM
Heard the news that the monorail broke down because of technique issues.

yeap...click the star

razpatrol99
October 24th, 2010, 07:56 AM
i think they tried to transform melaka just like Italy develop ROME which is a good thing. The monorail is not that bad, it serve the purpose..... If there is a high speed train that connect KL-Malacca sure there will be more ppls opt to live there.

daeng_jal
October 24th, 2010, 08:34 AM
ask the fed lah..

no need high speed rail..just give mlk ktm komuter also can..

cattivo
October 24th, 2010, 09:15 AM
ask the fed lah..

no need high speed rail..just give mlk ktm komuter also can..

current railway track is way too far from Melaka town. best if they could build a spur of railway network down towards Ayer Keroh and definitely will be costly. to get a new alignment of new railway track. monorail could be the best solution to link it.

dengilo
October 25th, 2010, 01:14 AM
ask the fed lah..

no need high speed rail..just give mlk ktm komuter also can..

:nuts:Better still i will give u guys solar power beca:lol:

TWK90
October 25th, 2010, 11:07 AM
ask the fed lah..

no need high speed rail..just give mlk ktm komuter also can..

current railway track is way too far from Melaka town. best if they could build a spur of railway network down towards Ayer Keroh and definitely will be costly. to get a new alignment of new railway track. monorail could be the best solution to link it.

I hope they can consider to rebuild Tampin-Melaka line (gone during World War II). Rebuild it, with double track layout and electrified. (Depends on the current settlement pattern)

The distance between Tampin and Melaka is around 30-something kilometres, which if it is being integrated with the national railway network (Padang Besar-Johor Bahru), that makes it possible to reach KL from Malacca, faster than bus.

Monorail would be too slow as it is more towards short distance, urban transit, like in Kuala Lumpur, Tokyo and Osaka.

supremecouncillor
October 25th, 2010, 07:07 PM
:applause::applause::applause:

cattivo
October 27th, 2010, 08:56 AM
I hope they can consider to rebuild Tampin-Melaka line (gone during World War II). Rebuild it, with double track layout and electrified. (Depends on the current settlement pattern)

The distance between Tampin and Melaka is around 30-something kilometres, which if it is being integrated with the national railway network (Padang Besar-Johor Bahru), that makes it possible to reach KL from Malacca, faster than bus.

Monorail would be too slow as it is more towards short distance, urban transit, like in Kuala Lumpur, Tokyo and Osaka.

yes, brief mapping thru empty lands, distance would be <19 km from KTM line spur out from Kampung Baru Menggong going thru Tasik Durian Tunggal towards main station nearby the MITC serving as the trunk.

while feeder, could be a monorail solution for another <14 km up end up at city station near Jalan Gereja. The route:
- MITC
- Jalan Ayer Keroh
- Jalan Taming Sari
- Jalan Tun Sri Lanang
- Lorong Haji Bachee
- Jalan Hang Li Poh (thru the cemetery)
- cross towards Jalan Gereja

razpatrol99
October 27th, 2010, 12:10 PM
i read somewhere that the gov already approved additional budget for this extension of monorail.... Melaka state surely know how to lobby PM. :D :D

cattivo
October 27th, 2010, 04:10 PM
i read somewhere that the gov already approved additional budget for this extension of monorail.... Melaka state surely know how to lobby PM. :D :D

it is good that Govt allocated another RM 13-15m for the monorail extension. at least Malacca did well in promoting tourism & they deserved it.

Muntz
December 11th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Monorel Melaka tergendala lagi
Oleh Norizan Abdul Muhid
utusanmelaka@utusan.com.my



SEBAHAGIAN pelancong terpaksa balik dan kecewa setelah mendapat tahu monorel tidak beroperasi di Stesen Monorel Hang Jebat, Taman Rempah, Melaka, baru-baru.


ALOR GAJAH 10 Dis. - Operasi perkhidmatan Monorel Melaka di Sungai Melaka di sini, didapati mengalami masalah teknikal sehingga menyebabkan ia tergendala sejak tiga minggu lalu.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd. Ali Rustam berkata, roda monorel yang sering mengalami kerosakan menyebabkan operasi perkhidmatannya yang berpusat di Taman Rempah tidak berjalan lancar.

Menurutnya, pada masa ini, pihak yang terlibat sedang dalam peringkat kajian untuk mengenal pasti alternatif terbaik bagi mengatasi masalah yang berlaku termasuk mengambil langkah menggantikan roda baru.

''Saya difahamkan, setiap kali selepas monorel itu membuat pusingan, ada sahaja roda yang terletak di bawah monorel itu bermasalah seperti patah dan sebagainya.

''Akibat masalah itu, monorel tersebut tidak dapat berfungsi sebaiknya seperti yang dikehendaki," katanya kepada pemberita selepas menutup Kursus Pembinaan Karakter Jurulatih Program Latihan Khidmat Negara (PLKN) Kem Permata Resort Alor Gajah di sini semalam.

Turut hadir, Pengarah Jabatan Latihan Khidmat Negara (JLKN), Datuk Abdul Hadi Awang Kechil.

Mohd. Ali diminta mengulas rungutan orang ramai terhadap perkhidmatan Monorel Melaka yang didakwa tidak beroperasi mengikut jadual yang sepatutnya.

Perkhidmatan Monorel Melaka yang dibina dengan kos RM15.9 juta itu telah beroperasi pada 20 Oktober lalu dengan harga tiket RM10 bagi dewasa dan RM5 untuk kanak-kanak.

Melalui kemudahan itu, pengguna berpeluang menikmati keindahan bandar Melaka apabila monorel itu menyusuri Sungai Melaka sejauh 1.6 kilometer dari Stesen Hang Jebat di Taman Rempah ke Stesen Hang Tuah di Jalan Bunga Raya sebelum berpatah balik ke Taman Rempah.

Mengulas lanjut, Mohd. Ali memberitahu, setakat ini kerajaan negeri telah memanggil beberapa jurutera dari China bagi mengatasi masalah tersebut.

Ujarnya, operasi perkhidmatan Monorel Melaka dijangka bersambung semula minggu depan setelah masalah teknikal yang berlaku dapat diatasi sepenuhnya.

Katanya, antara masalah teknikal yang perlu diselenggara dengan segera ialah membaiki roda monorel tersebut yang dikatakan kerap patah selepas monorel itu bergerak dan membuat pusingan.

''Oleh itu, untuk tidak mengelirukan pelancong yang hendak menaiki monorel tersebut, pihak bertanggungjawab telah pun meletakkan notis amaran di bahagian pintu utama stesen monorel terbabit," katanya.

Muntz
December 11th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Perkhidmatan monorel tidak ikut masa

MELAKA 10 Dis. - Beberapa pelancong tempatan yang ingin menaiki monorel di Taman Rempah di sini baru-baru ini hampa gara-gara kemudahan itu tidak beroperasi.

Sedangkan, bunting gergasi di Stesen Monorel Hang Jebat, tersebut 'Monorel Melaka Kini Beroperasi Setiap Hari Isnin hingga Ahad.'

Waktu operasi juga dinyatakan di bunting tersebut bermula dari pukul 9.30 pagi hingga 10 malam.

Ini membuatkan mereka yang ingin menaiki pengangkutan termoden di negeri ini itu kecewa.

Pengunjung, Suzeliana Zakaria, 32, berkata, sebelum ini, dia begitu teringin untuk menaiki monorel tersebut selepas mendengar cerita rakan-rakan tentang keunikan produk pelancongan terbaru negeri ini.

"Bila saya tanya rakan-rakan, mereka cakap monorel ini beroperasi setiap hari berdasarkan maklumat pada bunting gergasi ini, tapi hampa apabila mendapati ia tidak beroperasi ketika ini," katanya ketika ditemui di sini baru-baru ini.

Seorang lagi pengunjung, Mohd. Hafiz Yahya, 38, berkata, dia dan ahli keluarganya bukan sahaja kecewa, tetapi menyifatkannya membuang masa berkunjung ke tempat tersebut.

Menurutnya, ketika tiba di situ dia mendapati monorel tersebut tidak bergerak dan tiada pengunjung lain di situ walaupun ia sepatutnya beroperasi seperti biasa.

"Bila saya tanya orang ramai di kawasan sekitar, mereka kata kejap beroperasi, kejap tidak malah ada pula yang mengatakan ia sedang dalam percubaan.

"Saya pun tidak pasti apa yang berlaku tapi sepatutnya, pihak berkenaan boleh menampalkan notis bagi menjelaskan keadaan sebenar kepada pelancong," katanya yang berasal dari Pontian, Johor.

Seorang pembantu kedai minuman di situ, Nurul Hidayah Mohd. Yunus, 17, berkata, dia sudah jemu apabila didatangi pengunjung yang bertanyakan sama ada monorel tersebut boleh digunakan atau tidak.

"Dalam satu hari, lebih 30 orang pengunjung akan bertanya kepada saya dan saya hanya mampu jawab tidak tahu, atau kadang kala ia beroperasi, kadang kala tidak kerana mendapati ia bergerak tetapi berhenti semula untuk tempoh lama selepas itu," katanya.

Perkhidmatan Monorel Melaka yang dibina dengan kos RM15.9 juta itu mula beroperasi pada 20 Oktober lalu.