Amazing and I only saw Daimos and Voltes 5!

Amazing and I only saw Daimos and Voltes 5!

^^ your not alone ... hehe

^^ your not alone ... hehe

Aphrodite A was later replaced by:

Diana A
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/diana3.jpg

She was patterned after Aphrodite A still equipped with breast missiles
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/breastmissiles.jpg

But also equipped with Scarlet Beam
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/scarletbeam.jpg

This was in response to a clamor to not objectify women's breasts but make the robot have other weapons like the mind? (Scarlet beam emitting from the head.)

Diana A did not become as widely accepted as Aphrodite A. Everyone was attached to her precursor.

Aphrodite A was later replaced by:

Diana A
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/diana3.jpg

She was patterned after Aphrodite A still equipped with breast missiles
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/breastmissiles.jpg

But also equipped with Scarlet Beam
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/scarletbeam.jpg

This was in response to a clamor to not objectify women's breasts but make the robot have other weapons like the mind? (Scarlet beam emitting from the head.)

Diana A did not become as widely accepted as Aphrodite A. Everyone was attached to her precursor.

Young people,

These were the precursors of your current fave Anime and Manga. So this is cartoon history in the making!!!

Young people,

These were the precursors of your current fave Anime and Manga. So this is cartoon history in the making!!!

^^that's why Im trying to find their ancestors... and thanks to you coz now I know mazinger Z, and aphrodite A!.. :)

^^that's why Im trying to find their ancestors... and thanks to you coz now I know mazinger Z, and aphrodite A!.. :)

Tied in to this is that the Marcos regime intervened with the showing of all these robot cartoons Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Daimos, etc. so children of our generation were deprived of following what happened to these characters. At that time, the Marcos regime was protectionist and blocked importation of foreign goods. So all the toy robots became so prohibitive. Only a rare few were able to afford them. Maraming kabataan, tulo laway na lang.

Tied in to this is that the Marcos regime intervened with the showing of all these robot cartoons Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Daimos, etc. so children of our generation were deprived of following what happened to these characters. At that time, the Marcos regime was protectionist and blocked importation of foreign goods. So all the toy robots became so prohibitive. Only a rare few were able to afford them. Maraming kabataan, tulo laway na lang.

Amazing and I only saw Daimos and Voltes 5!
i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Amazing and I only saw Daimos and Voltes 5!
i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Tied in to this is that the Marcos regime intervened with the showing of all these robot cartoons Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Daimos, etc. so children of our generation were deprived of following what happened to these characters. At that time, the Marcos regime was protectionist and blocked importation of foreign goods. So all the toy robots became so prohibitive. Only a rare few were able to afford them. Maraming kabataan, tulo laway na lang.

Hmm, I only knew about these when my dad's younger brother told me about it when I was 11 or something.

Tied in to this is that the Marcos regime intervened with the showing of all these robot cartoons Mazinger Z, Voltes V, Daimos, etc. so children of our generation were deprived of following what happened to these characters. At that time, the Marcos regime was protectionist and blocked importation of foreign goods. So all the toy robots became so prohibitive. Only a rare few were able to afford them. Maraming kabataan, tulo laway na lang.

Hmm, I only knew about these when my dad's younger brother told me about it when I was 11 or something.

Matutulog muna ang kuya niyo. God Bless to all.

Matutulog muna ang kuya niyo. God Bless to all.

^^ have a nice sleep kuya!

^^ have a nice sleep kuya!

i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Yes all those, too. It was only later that they were allowed to be shown again. But then the Mazinger Z series was over.

i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Yes all those, too. It was only later that they were allowed to be shown again. But then the Mazinger Z series was over.

how come u know this type of cartoons and ur younger than me. ive never seen this, even in late 80s

lil introduce me to them!... I just heard it but never got the chance to see the show... :D

how come u know this type of cartoons and ur younger than me. ive never seen this, even in late 80s

lil introduce me to them!... I just heard it but never got the chance to see the show... :D

Wow, it seems like the Philippines was on pace to becoming a developed nation (at least aesthetically, from the pictures)...

Would anyone mind giving those of us who are unfamiliar with recent Filipino history a quick crash course on what happened with the economy? It looks like things were going so right.

The only things that really come to mind are People Power Revolution, Mt. Pinatubo, the rapid population explosion, nepotism...


Was Marcos really that bad? One of the things people hated about him was his declaration of Martial Law; in the most democratic nation in asia this was seen as tyrannical. I'm thinking though, was this man any different from other leaders like Lee Kuan Yew, to whom many credit the rise of Singapore to?

As they say, history is written by the winners. And i'm left questioning as to how much of what I read is actually an exaggeration regarding Marcos and how much of it is true.

A few of you here lived in that era, and experienced it first-hand... i'm very interested in your views on what really happened.

Thanks!

Hi,

Pardon we had to overlook your request due to this robot brouhaha. Anyway I got this as a short history on the Philippines. It was forwarded to me. It's a bit incendiary. So take it with a grain of salt.

An up-to-date 'concise' history of the Philippines
1. AUTHOR : AN ANONYMOUS PINOY

WHAT'S the big deal when Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan in 1521? Nothing much really. During Lapu-Lapu's time, Mactan was strictly tribal. Think small. There were no big ideas such as nationalism or geopolitics. Lapu-Lapu was simply, the local siga-siga and Magellan was the culture-shocked Westerner, a native first-timer in the exotic east. We lionize Lapu-Lapu as a hero and nationalist. Ang totoo, mayabang lang si Lapu-Lapu. But his defeat of a foreign invader, did not make a Filipino nation. The timing was wrong. And don't you believe that bull that Spanish explorers came to find spices of the East to improve the taste of their bland cuisine. Their hidden agenda was to spread their kingdom through colonization, the euphemism for land grabbing.

During the 333 years of Spanish rule (1565-1898), hundreds of rebellions were waged by native firebrands in many parts of the archipelago. Not one succeeded. Our rebels were either caught, garotted, or simply ignored by the Commandante as nuisances. Puro malas!

The execution of Rizal in 1896 was a traumatic experience for Filipinos. Those who read Rizal's Fili and Noli were incensed by the abuses of the church and state regime of the Spaniards. Emotions ran high, from Aparri to Jolo. The critical mass needed for nationhood was formed. At last we could rebel as a people, as a nation.

The Katipunan did their battle heroics, originally led by the firebrand Bonifacio and later on by the crafty Aguinaldo. With more Katipunan charges (Sugod mga Kapatid), freedom seemed possible.

Between 1897 and 1899, stealth, betrayal, and skullduggery bedeviled our prospect for independence. The Aguinaldo and Bonifacio factions engaged in an ugly infighting (the talangka mentality) resulting in the execution of Bonifacio.

Meantime, an American Admiral named Dewey entered Manila Bay and defeated a lackluster Spanish navy. Aguinaldo reneged on the pact of Biak na bato. He resumed the revolution by proclaiming the Philippine Independence in Kawit.

Meanwhile, American and Spanish soldiers held a "moromoro" battle in Intramuros with the Spaniards surrendering. Aguinaldo's republic and his KKK patriots were left out and ignored. Naisahan tayo. Minalas na naman.
The Filipino-American War broke out. Tall American soldiers looking like Clark Gable chased and battled the outlawed Filipino revolutionaries, ending in the capture of Aguinaldo in Isabela. Thanks to the mercenaries from Macabebe. This was the mother of all kamalasan.

At that time, our population was 8 million. The gap between the rich and the poor was estimated at 30% middle-class and rich, 70% low-class and rural poor.

During the Commonwealth period (1901-1941), which followed, there were lots of learning on democratic principles, its structure and governance. Technology transfers were done on Constitutional Rights, Public Education, Transportation, Health, International Trade and Industrialization.
The Americans turned out to be good tutors. Filipinos also went crazy over American brand products like Libby's corned beef and Portola sardines, Hershey's Kisses and Wrigley's chewing gum, Camel cigarettes and Model T Ford for the hacienderos of Pampanga and Iloilo.
Hollywood films made Pinoy males fantasize on Jean Harlow, Betty Grable, and Mae West. Thus, Filipino colonial mentality began. We fondly called this period Peace Time. By the way, American troops massacred innocent people in Balanguiga. Mga hayup din pala!

1941. Disaster! World War II! After attacking Pearl Harbor, the Japanese army invaded our country defeating the combined American and Filipino forces (USAFE). General McArthur, the proud and handsome Army chief, fled to Australia at the height of the battle.

For four miserable years we suffered the sadism of the Japanese militarists rule. Torture, famine, and death were for us, the order of the day. Kawawa. Malas na malas!

The American forces returned in 1945 to liberate the country. McArthur, General superiority complex himself, sporting Ray Ban sunglasses and corncob pipe swaggered back to Manila. Piqued at his humiliation in 1941, McArthur ordered the bombing and shelling of Manila till kingdom come.

The whole-wide expanse South of Pasig - from Post Office to Vito Cruz, including all of Intramuros - was pulverized. Manila was the most destroyed city of World War II next to Tokyo. Our culture, our heritage, and historical assets (seven beautiful churches in Intramuros, hundreds of elegant Art Deco and neo-classical architecture in Paco) were sacrificed recklessly and completely erased from the face of the earth. Sayang na sayang!
In 1946, we gained our Independence from the Americans. We were a free nation at last. We had enough exposure and lessons on how to govern a democratic country, the first in Asia. Our population was 17 million. The dollar exchange was US$1 to P2.

But there was still no peace from 1947 to 1966. A widespread communist rebellion led by Taruc, the Lava brothers, and its armed guerillas called Hukbalahap waged bloody war with government troops. Filipinos killed kapwa Filipinos. Malas na naman!

Our politicians and bureaucrats learned to engage in graft and corruption (What are we in power for?) - such as the war surplus bribery, the Tambobong wheeler-dealing and the Namarco scam. Talo!
Six presidents were elected to manage the country from 1947 to 1972, under the democratic system. They were Presidents Roxas, Quirino, Magsaysay, Garcia, Macapagal, and Marcos.

Economists looked back to the decades of the 50s and 60s as the best years of the Philippine economy, surpassing Asian countries. The nostalgia was naiveté, a useless ego-tripping. The gap between the rich and the poor remained big. 30% middle-class and rich, 70% low-class, rural and urban poor. We were 27 million people. US$1 was to P4.

During the late 60's, the Maoist communists led by Commander Dante intensified its drive to overthrow the government. Marcos added fuel to the fire by creating a communist spook. Violence and mayhem rule the streets. The youth went up in arms! Martial Law was declared in 1972 and Marcos became dictator. Freedom of assembly and expression went out of the window.

What followed were years of dictatorial abuse, crony capitalism, shackled free enterprise, near economic collapse and a demoralized middle class. The gap between the rich (30%) and poor (70%)remained in a quagmire. Pareho rin pala ang situation. Our population was 40 million. Exchange rate was US$1 to P7. Kawawang kawawa! Malas na malas!

In 1983, Ninoy Aquino, Marcos' exiled arch rival,was assassinated upon his return. Push came to shove. Cardinal Sin egged on the people on to protest. Outrage, self-pity, shame and fury raged and rumbled like a tidal wave, culminating in the incredible People Power Revolution. The very sick and obstinate Marcos fled (hijacked by Americans from Clark) to Hawaii (sounds like Paoay) where he died. His alleged millions of stolen dollars intact and unresolved. Up to now... Peso to dollar exchange is now P20 to $1.
But People Power was our shining glory! The whole world applauded our saintly courage, our dignified defiance, our bloodless solution to expel a dictator. We were the toast of all freedom-loving countries, the envy of all oppressed people. In 1986, we placed Cory Aquino, Ninoy's widow, in Malacañang. She was virtuous, sincere and full of good intentions for the country.

But what happens? Coup attempts by Honasan, power struggle, political squabbles, and the infighting for juicy deals harassed the amateur Cory presidency. So nothing happened. No progress took place. The economy was still bad.

The poor suffered more and more. Sure we got democracy back on its feet. But the Filipino resolve didn't happen. People Power pala was ningas cogon power. Sayang na sayang! Tha gap between the rich and the poor remained at 30% (middle-class and rich), 70% (lower-class and rural/urban poor). Exchange rate was US$1 to P25. We were 55 million people.
In 1992, Cory's choice, Fidel Ramos, West Pointer, soldier, and hero of the People Power won the presidency. He had the bearing, the single-mindedness and the vision to bring the country to a tiger economy status. Ramos was a terrific salesman of the Philippines to the world. He was able to hype a climate of an economic ground. He removed barriers to progress. He was an apostle of privatization. His mantra was, less government, more private sector! Fidel hit the right note and the economy went on a roll. Fidel wanted to run for reelection but failed to swing the cha-cha (an idiotic acronym for Constitutional Change) so he could run again.

In 1997, the Asian economic crises struck, triggered by a balloons burst of the hyper speculative Bangkok economy. The financial debacle created disastrous effects in the investment institutions of Manila, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Seoul, and Taiwan. All the Ramos gains evaporated into thin air. Malas na naman! The poor, especially Mang Pandoy, were poorer than ever.

1998 was showbiz time! The Erap para sa mahirap show opened to the chagrin of Makati Business Club. Pasensya na po kayo, mga elitists. Democracy is also weird. The choice of the masa must be respected.
Catastrophe! Chavit Singson exploded jueteng bombs! For days on end, a nation sick in the stomach, sat through primetime TV aghast at watching the bizarre drama of alleged bribery, gambling, drunkenness, womanizing, deceit, and corruption. A lantern-jawed witness and a sexy intelligence "asset" hogged the witness stand.

Viewing the scandals on TV was like watching dogs mating in the public square.

It's embarrassing but you can't take your eyes off them.
The impeachment trial serialized on TV was riveting. The defense lawyers, some wearing a canine sneer (ngiting aso) insulted our intelligence often. (Lokohin n'yo ang lelang n'yo). The whole country was stinking to high heavens. The prosecution produced its own witnesses Clarissa Ocampo, Emma Lim, Carmencita Itchon and many others. Idols with feet of clay fell crashing into the dust. Those who voted against opening the enveloped were legalese, procedural, and sounding intellectually brilliant. Also heartless and thick-skinned. They couldn't fathom the heartbeat of the nation. Cardinal Sin, aging and sickly, called the people again. It was People Power II! Same humongous and collective umbrage, same brinkmanship, and same staccato prayers! Generals Reyes and Villanueva simply joined the mammoth EDSA crowd. No US jets from Clark this time. Erap was out! Gloria was in!
Hope springs eternal. Malacañang regained its honor and dignity. Protocol was observed. Absurdity was gone. Grammatical English was back. 2001. More catastrophies! The peso plummeted to a horrifying P51 to US$1.
The Abu Sayyaf (extremist ideologues? Or mindless barbarians) were into kidnapping and terrorism, gaining worldwide notoriety. Businesses are still closing shop. Thousands of workers are being retrenched. Prices of food and gasoline are very high. (Galunggong is P80 per kilo!) Our streets became permanent garbage dumps.

Maggots multiply to spread disease. Our communities stink. Again, the whole nation was witnessing sickening crimes attributed to people in the government. Talo na naman! We are now 75 million people but the gap between the rich, 30% (middle-class and rich), 70%(lower-class and rural/urban poor) remains the same for one century.

When will this end? It's been more than 350 years since Lapu's-Lapu's victory, 100 years since Rizal martyrdom and we're nowhere as a people, as a nation. Malas pa rin!

MY NOTE: Obviously there is a political commentary ingrained in this 'short history'. History is currently unfolding so the rest of what follows depends on the unfolding of events and who will write that history.

Wow, it seems like the Philippines was on pace to becoming a developed nation (at least aesthetically, from the pictures)...

Would anyone mind giving those of us who are unfamiliar with recent Filipino history a quick crash course on what happened with the economy? It looks like things were going so right.

The only things that really come to mind are People Power Revolution, Mt. Pinatubo, the rapid population explosion, nepotism...


Was Marcos really that bad? One of the things people hated about him was his declaration of Martial Law; in the most democratic nation in asia this was seen as tyrannical. I'm thinking though, was this man any different from other leaders like Lee Kuan Yew, to whom many credit the rise of Singapore to?

As they say, history is written by the winners. And i'm left questioning as to how much of what I read is actually an exaggeration regarding Marcos and how much of it is true.

A few of you here lived in that era, and experienced it first-hand... i'm very interested in your views on what really happened.

Thanks!

Hi,

Pardon we had to overlook your request due to this robot brouhaha. Anyway I got this as a short history on the Philippines. It was forwarded to me. It's a bit incendiary. So take it with a grain of salt.

An up-to-date 'concise' history of the Philippines
1. AUTHOR : AN ANONYMOUS PINOY

WHAT'S the big deal when Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan in 1521? Nothing much really. During Lapu-Lapu's time, Mactan was strictly tribal. Think small. There were no big ideas such as nationalism or geopolitics. Lapu-Lapu was simply, the local siga-siga and Magellan was the culture-shocked Westerner, a native first-timer in the exotic east. We lionize Lapu-Lapu as a hero and nationalist. Ang totoo, mayabang lang si Lapu-Lapu. But his defeat of a foreign invader, did not make a Filipino nation. The timing was wrong. And don't you believe that bull that Spanish explorers came to find spices of the East to improve the taste of their bland cuisine. Their hidden agenda was to spread their kingdom through colonization, the euphemism for land grabbing.

During the 333 years of Spanish rule (1565-1898), hundreds of rebellions were waged by native firebrands in many parts of the archipelago. Not one succeeded. Our rebels were either caught, garotted, or simply ignored by the Commandante as nuisances. Puro malas!

The execution of Rizal in 1896 was a traumatic experience for Filipinos. Those who read Rizal's Fili and Noli were incensed by the abuses of the church and state regime of the Spaniards. Emotions ran high, from Aparri to Jolo. The critical mass needed for nationhood was formed. At last we could rebel as a people, as a nation.

The Katipunan did their battle heroics, originally led by the firebrand Bonifacio and later on by the crafty Aguinaldo. With more Katipunan charges (Sugod mga Kapatid), freedom seemed possible.

Between 1897 and 1899, stealth, betrayal, and skullduggery bedeviled our prospect for independence. The Aguinaldo and Bonifacio factions engaged in an ugly infighting (the talangka mentality) resulting in the execution of Bonifacio.

Meantime, an American Admiral named Dewey entered Manila Bay and defeated a lackluster Spanish navy. Aguinaldo reneged on the pact of Biak na bato. He resumed the revolution by proclaiming the Philippine Independence in Kawit.

Meanwhile, American and Spanish soldiers held a "moromoro" battle in Intramuros with the Spaniards surrendering. Aguinaldo's republic and his KKK patriots were left out and ignored. Naisahan tayo. Minalas na naman.
The Filipino-American War broke out. Tall American soldiers looking like Clark Gable chased and battled the outlawed Filipino revolutionaries, ending in the capture of Aguinaldo in Isabela. Thanks to the mercenaries from Macabebe. This was the mother of all kamalasan.

At that time, our population was 8 million. The gap between the rich and the poor was estimated at 30% middle-class and rich, 70% low-class and rural poor.

During the Commonwealth period (1901-1941), which followed, there were lots of learning on democratic principles, its structure and governance. Technology transfers were done on Constitutional Rights, Public Education, Transportation, Health, International Trade and Industrialization.
The Americans turned out to be good tutors. Filipinos also went crazy over American brand products like Libby's corned beef and Portola sardines, Hershey's Kisses and Wrigley's chewing gum, Camel cigarettes and Model T Ford for the hacienderos of Pampanga and Iloilo.
Hollywood films made Pinoy males fantasize on Jean Harlow, Betty Grable, and Mae West. Thus, Filipino colonial mentality began. We fondly called this period Peace Time. By the way, American troops massacred innocent people in Balanguiga. Mga hayup din pala!

1941. Disaster! World War II! After attacking Pearl Harbor, the Japanese army invaded our country defeating the combined American and Filipino forces (USAFE). General McArthur, the proud and handsome Army chief, fled to Australia at the height of the battle.

For four miserable years we suffered the sadism of the Japanese militarists rule. Torture, famine, and death were for us, the order of the day. Kawawa. Malas na malas!

The American forces returned in 1945 to liberate the country. McArthur, General superiority complex himself, sporting Ray Ban sunglasses and corncob pipe swaggered back to Manila. Piqued at his humiliation in 1941, McArthur ordered the bombing and shelling of Manila till kingdom come.

The whole-wide expanse South of Pasig - from Post Office to Vito Cruz, including all of Intramuros - was pulverized. Manila was the most destroyed city of World War II next to Tokyo. Our culture, our heritage, and historical assets (seven beautiful churches in Intramuros, hundreds of elegant Art Deco and neo-classical architecture in Paco) were sacrificed recklessly and completely erased from the face of the earth. Sayang na sayang!
In 1946, we gained our Independence from the Americans. We were a free nation at last. We had enough exposure and lessons on how to govern a democratic country, the first in Asia. Our population was 17 million. The dollar exchange was US$1 to P2.

But there was still no peace from 1947 to 1966. A widespread communist rebellion led by Taruc, the Lava brothers, and its armed guerillas called Hukbalahap waged bloody war with government troops. Filipinos killed kapwa Filipinos. Malas na naman!

Our politicians and bureaucrats learned to engage in graft and corruption (What are we in power for?) - such as the war surplus bribery, the Tambobong wheeler-dealing and the Namarco scam. Talo!
Six presidents were elected to manage the country from 1947 to 1972, under the democratic system. They were Presidents Roxas, Quirino, Magsaysay, Garcia, Macapagal, and Marcos.

Economists looked back to the decades of the 50s and 60s as the best years of the Philippine economy, surpassing Asian countries. The nostalgia was naiveté, a useless ego-tripping. The gap between the rich and the poor remained big. 30% middle-class and rich, 70% low-class, rural and urban poor. We were 27 million people. US$1 was to P4.

During the late 60's, the Maoist communists led by Commander Dante intensified its drive to overthrow the government. Marcos added fuel to the fire by creating a communist spook. Violence and mayhem rule the streets. The youth went up in arms! Martial Law was declared in 1972 and Marcos became dictator. Freedom of assembly and expression went out of the window.

What followed were years of dictatorial abuse, crony capitalism, shackled free enterprise, near economic collapse and a demoralized middle class. The gap between the rich (30%) and poor (70%)remained in a quagmire. Pareho rin pala ang situation. Our population was 40 million. Exchange rate was US$1 to P7. Kawawang kawawa! Malas na malas!

In 1983, Ninoy Aquino, Marcos' exiled arch rival,was assassinated upon his return. Push came to shove. Cardinal Sin egged on the people on to protest. Outrage, self-pity, shame and fury raged and rumbled like a tidal wave, culminating in the incredible People Power Revolution. The very sick and obstinate Marcos fled (hijacked by Americans from Clark) to Hawaii (sounds like Paoay) where he died. His alleged millions of stolen dollars intact and unresolved. Up to now... Peso to dollar exchange is now P20 to $1.
But People Power was our shining glory! The whole world applauded our saintly courage, our dignified defiance, our bloodless solution to expel a dictator. We were the toast of all freedom-loving countries, the envy of all oppressed people. In 1986, we placed Cory Aquino, Ninoy's widow, in Malacañang. She was virtuous, sincere and full of good intentions for the country.

But what happens? Coup attempts by Honasan, power struggle, political squabbles, and the infighting for juicy deals harassed the amateur Cory presidency. So nothing happened. No progress took place. The economy was still bad.

The poor suffered more and more. Sure we got democracy back on its feet. But the Filipino resolve didn't happen. People Power pala was ningas cogon power. Sayang na sayang! Tha gap between the rich and the poor remained at 30% (middle-class and rich), 70% (lower-class and rural/urban poor). Exchange rate was US$1 to P25. We were 55 million people.
In 1992, Cory's choice, Fidel Ramos, West Pointer, soldier, and hero of the People Power won the presidency. He had the bearing, the single-mindedness and the vision to bring the country to a tiger economy status. Ramos was a terrific salesman of the Philippines to the world. He was able to hype a climate of an economic ground. He removed barriers to progress. He was an apostle of privatization. His mantra was, less government, more private sector! Fidel hit the right note and the economy went on a roll. Fidel wanted to run for reelection but failed to swing the cha-cha (an idiotic acronym for Constitutional Change) so he could run again.

In 1997, the Asian economic crises struck, triggered by a balloons burst of the hyper speculative Bangkok economy. The financial debacle created disastrous effects in the investment institutions of Manila, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong, Seoul, and Taiwan. All the Ramos gains evaporated into thin air. Malas na naman! The poor, especially Mang Pandoy, were poorer than ever.

1998 was showbiz time! The Erap para sa mahirap show opened to the chagrin of Makati Business Club. Pasensya na po kayo, mga elitists. Democracy is also weird. The choice of the masa must be respected.
Catastrophe! Chavit Singson exploded jueteng bombs! For days on end, a nation sick in the stomach, sat through primetime TV aghast at watching the bizarre drama of alleged bribery, gambling, drunkenness, womanizing, deceit, and corruption. A lantern-jawed witness and a sexy intelligence "asset" hogged the witness stand.

Viewing the scandals on TV was like watching dogs mating in the public square.

It's embarrassing but you can't take your eyes off them.
The impeachment trial serialized on TV was riveting. The defense lawyers, some wearing a canine sneer (ngiting aso) insulted our intelligence often. (Lokohin n'yo ang lelang n'yo). The whole country was stinking to high heavens. The prosecution produced its own witnesses Clarissa Ocampo, Emma Lim, Carmencita Itchon and many others. Idols with feet of clay fell crashing into the dust. Those who voted against opening the enveloped were legalese, procedural, and sounding intellectually brilliant. Also heartless and thick-skinned. They couldn't fathom the heartbeat of the nation. Cardinal Sin, aging and sickly, called the people again. It was People Power II! Same humongous and collective umbrage, same brinkmanship, and same staccato prayers! Generals Reyes and Villanueva simply joined the mammoth EDSA crowd. No US jets from Clark this time. Erap was out! Gloria was in!
Hope springs eternal. Malacañang regained its honor and dignity. Protocol was observed. Absurdity was gone. Grammatical English was back. 2001. More catastrophies! The peso plummeted to a horrifying P51 to US$1.
The Abu Sayyaf (extremist ideologues? Or mindless barbarians) were into kidnapping and terrorism, gaining worldwide notoriety. Businesses are still closing shop. Thousands of workers are being retrenched. Prices of food and gasoline are very high. (Galunggong is P80 per kilo!) Our streets became permanent garbage dumps.

Maggots multiply to spread disease. Our communities stink. Again, the whole nation was witnessing sickening crimes attributed to people in the government. Talo na naman! We are now 75 million people but the gap between the rich, 30% (middle-class and rich), 70%(lower-class and rural/urban poor) remains the same for one century.

When will this end? It's been more than 350 years since Lapu's-Lapu's victory, 100 years since Rizal martyrdom and we're nowhere as a people, as a nation. Malas pa rin!

MY NOTE: Obviously there is a political commentary ingrained in this 'short history'. History is currently unfolding so the rest of what follows depends on the unfolding of events and who will write that history.

i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Daimos was with the annoying Richard and Erika love story!

iQue Horror!

[Hears faint voices]

"Richaaaard!" and "Erikaaaa!"

:weirdo:

i dont actually remembered watching daimos but their song sound so familiar but voltes 5, shaider, bioman, maskman was a thing to watch with :lol:

Daimos was with the annoying Richard and Erika love story!

iQue Horror!

[Hears faint voices]

"Richaaaard!" and "Erikaaaa!"

:weirdo:

Haha... Now I know your name Kuyageezer, Beng.

There was also Babette Villaruel the funny scribe. He, Oskee Salazar and Billy Balbastro started a lot of the sward lingo in the tabloid. They were called the Troika ng Bayan.

Tonette Macho of Iskul Bukol fame has straightened out. He's now referred to as Anthony and not Tonette.

Haha... Now I know your name Kuyageezer, Beng.

There was also Babette Villaruel the funny scribe. He, Oskee Salazar and Billy Balbastro started a lot of the sward lingo in the tabloid. They were called the Troika ng Bayan.

Tonette Macho of Iskul Bukol fame has straightened out. He's now referred to as Anthony and not Tonette.

Daimos was with the annoying Richard and Erika love story!

iQue Horror!

[Hears faint voices]

"Richaaaard!" and "Erikaaaa!"

:weirdo:

Animo, that rings in my ears. Haha! :lol: Actually it's "Richeeerd!" "Erikaaaa!"

Daimos was with the annoying Richard and Erika love story!

iQue Horror!

[Hears faint voices]

"Richaaaard!" and "Erikaaaa!"

:weirdo:

Animo, that rings in my ears. Haha! :lol: Actually it's "Richeeerd!" "Erikaaaa!"

Tonette Macho of Iskul Bukol fame has straightened out. He's now referred to as Anthony and not Tonette.

Really? I heard of others who became straight too after being born again. I just can't remember right now.

Tonette Macho of Iskul Bukol fame has straightened out. He's now referred to as Anthony and not Tonette.

Really? I heard of others who became straight too after being born again. I just can't remember right now.

Animo, that rings in my ears. Haha! :lol: Actually it's "Richeeerd!" "Erikaaaa!"

So it had more emphasis on Richeerd...boy that cartoon was lame but I did watched it.

Animo, that rings in my ears. Haha! :lol: Actually it's "Richeeerd!" "Erikaaaa!"

So it had more emphasis on Richeerd...boy that cartoon was lame but I did watched it.

^ :lol:

^ :lol:

The cook in my parent's house use to think Daimos (the robot, not Richard the operator) was pogi.

Anyway, all this Aphrodite A stuff makes me laugh. I can't believe that toy had those nipples! I laughed out loud when I saw how ridiculous they were.

One function of Aphrodite A's breasts that we haven't talked about was this: Mazinger Z can't fly. In order to fly, Aphrodite A shoots her breast missiles and Mazinger grabs on to her breasts while they take him to a higher place.

The cook in my parent's house use to think Daimos (the robot, not Richard the operator) was pogi.

Anyway, all this Aphrodite A stuff makes me laugh. I can't believe that toy had those nipples! I laughed out loud when I saw how ridiculous they were.

One function of Aphrodite A's breasts that we haven't talked about was this: Mazinger Z can't fly. In order to fly, Aphrodite A shoots her breast missiles and Mazinger grabs on to her breasts while they take him to a higher place.

^^ whoah! and it was shown during the 70's... didnt they think that its to daring for the younger ones at that time?!

^^ whoah! and it was shown during the 70's... didnt they think that its to daring for the younger ones at that time?!

Oh yes, I remember that! Some allusion! haha.

Oh yes, I remember that! Some allusion! haha.

^^ whoah! and it was shown during the 70's... didnt they think that its to daring for the younger ones at that time?!

We were very very young then. Walang malicia. Happy pa nga.

^^ whoah! and it was shown during the 70's... didnt they think that its to daring for the younger ones at that time?!

We were very very young then. Walang malicia. Happy pa nga.

Imagine from Badinger to Mazinger Z to lesson in Philippine History. Where else can you find that but SSC?

Imagine from Badinger to Mazinger Z to lesson in Philippine History. Where else can you find that but SSC?

We were very very young then. Walang malicia. Happy pa nga.

sabagay...

ey got to go... have to do my plates pa!

goodae to all! bye evryone! :D

We were very very young then. Walang malicia. Happy pa nga.

sabagay...

ey got to go... have to do my plates pa!

goodae to all! bye evryone! :D

Goodnight/goodmorning na pala. It's 2:00 a.m. here. sheesh.

Goodnight/goodmorning na pala. It's 2:00 a.m. here. sheesh.

Oh look at this.

http://www.usskawishiwi.org/Crew/Drew-Peso.jpg

The 1 peso bill in 1973-1975

Oh look at this.

http://www.usskawishiwi.org/Crew/Drew-Peso.jpg

The 1 peso bill in 1973-1975

kawawa si pepe, mula papel hanggang tanso (?), paliit pa ng paliit.

kawawa si pepe, mula papel hanggang tanso (?), paliit pa ng paliit.

Wow, great find @sinjin.

Wow, great find @sinjin.

Thanks.. And woah, we're at the 500 post... But, I can't create a sequel for this one. :D I don't have the resources...

Thanks.. And woah, we're at the 500 post... But, I can't create a sequel for this one. :D I don't have the resources...

What I've been trying to look for sometime now is the PAL "Beauty of the Philippines...Shinning through" jingle and Sarsi/Pop cola "bagong tunog" jingle.

What I've been trying to look for sometime now is the PAL "Beauty of the Philippines...Shinning through" jingle and Sarsi/Pop cola "bagong tunog" jingle.

Hi, I'm Jon Duffy and I would just like to express my admiration for all of you on this thread who have provided a wealth of information and photos of old Manila. I'm a Filipino-American who grew up in the Malate district but moved back to the US with my family when I was in my early 20s.

I just want to voice my appreciation to all of you for your efforts to share your knowledge and pictures of Manila. Please keep up the good work!

P.S. Does anybody have a picture of the old Selecta restaurant on Roxas Boulevard? My family and I were regulars at that place until it closed its doors for good in the early 80s. The Arce family of Balintawak, Quezon City, owned the restaurant and was a fierce rival of the Aristocrat Restaurant from the 40s to the late 60s.

Hi, I'm Jon Duffy and I would just like to express my admiration for all of you on this thread who have provided a wealth of information and photos of old Manila. I'm a Filipino-American who grew up in the Malate district but moved back to the US with my family when I was in my early 20s.

I just want to voice my appreciation to all of you for your efforts to share your knowledge and pictures of Manila. Please keep up the good work!

P.S. Does anybody have a picture of the old Selecta restaurant on Roxas Boulevard? My family and I were regulars at that place until it closed its doors for good in the early 80s. The Arce family of Balintawak, Quezon City, owned the restaurant and was a fierce rival of the Aristocrat Restaurant from the 40s to the late 60s.

Ok. Time for a new thread. It took more than a year to get to the 500th post. Virtute started this in October 2004. See you all in the sequel.

Ok. Time for a new thread. It took more than a year to get to the 500th post. Virtute started this in October 2004. See you all in the sequel.

Here are some photos from 1975. Though our thread title is the Philippines in 1973, we do know that this makes up the thread for all items related to the seventies.

Some photos of Manila in 1975...

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph01.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph02.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph03.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph04.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph05.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph06.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph07.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph08.jpg

Here are some photos from 1975. Though our thread title is the Philippines in 1973, we do know that this makes up the thread for all items related to the seventies.

Some photos of Manila in 1975...

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph01.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph02.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph03.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph04.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph05.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph06.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph07.jpg

http://berclo.net/photos75/75ph08.jpg

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

This should be fun. It would be nice to have various topics from popular culture, national achievements, and significant events during the decade. :)

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

This should be fun. It would be nice to have various topics from popular culture, national achievements, and significant events during the decade. :)

hindi kaya magka-hernia sa kahuhugot ng puno http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/toothless.gif

the rest of the people walking are those taken in recto or somewhere near isetann

hindi kaya magka-hernia sa kahuhugot ng puno http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/toothless.gif

the rest of the people walking are those taken in recto or somewhere near isetann

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

well it started off with the pics from 1973 posted by Virtute. then it evolved into a discussion on the entire era of the seventies. actually, this is how i first got plugged into SSC. we, at our office were looking for visual pegs for our 2004 christmas party. the theme obviously was the 70s. :) the rest is history.

i guess it goes without saying that i'm a seventies buff. if there would be such a thing as a "home thread", this would be it for me.

great pics Sugarboy - is this thread supposed to include all of the 70s, not just '73?

well it started off with the pics from 1973 posted by Virtute. then it evolved into a discussion on the entire era of the seventies. actually, this is how i first got plugged into SSC. we, at our office were looking for visual pegs for our 2004 christmas party. the theme obviously was the 70s. :) the rest is history.

i guess it goes without saying that i'm a seventies buff. if there would be such a thing as a "home thread", this would be it for me.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7032320982005_183015982005fr000934l.jpg
Manila, Department of Finance, Congress

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/8594218982005_275013982005fr000924l.jpg
Manila, panoramic view of coastal highway

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/8282219982005_52014982005fr000926l.jpg
Sta. Cruz Church

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/5151020982005_282315982005fr000933l.jpg
Rizal Avenue

Here's the matching currency, not sure if this is where I should post these:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6426/1peso19608th.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9541/1peso1960ii5vw.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6504/10peso19606hh.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3701/10peso1960ii0je.jpg


And Japanese time:
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6721/10jpnpeso3ry.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9740/10jpnpesoii6eu.jpg

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7032320982005_183015982005fr000934l.jpg
Manila, Department of Finance, Congress

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/8594218982005_275013982005fr000924l.jpg
Manila, panoramic view of coastal highway

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/8282219982005_52014982005fr000926l.jpg
Sta. Cruz Church

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/5151020982005_282315982005fr000933l.jpg
Rizal Avenue

Here's the matching currency, not sure if this is where I should post these:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6426/1peso19608th.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9541/1peso1960ii5vw.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6504/10peso19606hh.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3701/10peso1960ii0je.jpg


And Japanese time:
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6721/10jpnpeso3ry.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9740/10jpnpesoii6eu.jpg

Oh look at this.

http://www.usskawishiwi.org/Crew/Drew-Peso.jpg

The 1 peso bill in 1973-1975

This is what followed in 1976:
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5508/1peso19766gj.jpg

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3693/1pseo1976ii6gr.jpg

Oh look at this.

http://www.usskawishiwi.org/Crew/Drew-Peso.jpg

The 1 peso bill in 1973-1975

This is what followed in 1976:
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5508/1peso19766gj.jpg

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3693/1pseo1976ii6gr.jpg

Ok. Time for a new thread. It took more than a year to get to the 500th post. Virtute started this in October 2004. See you all in the sequel.

Oops! Sorry Sugarboy, I didn't see your last post. See you in the sequel!!

Ok. Time for a new thread. It took more than a year to get to the 500th post. Virtute started this in October 2004. See you all in the sequel.

Oops! Sorry Sugarboy, I didn't see your last post. See you in the sequel!!

The 20 centavo coin, circa 1945. Notice the US seal.
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/1272/20cent19456td.jpg

The 20 centavo coin, circa 1945. Notice the US seal.
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/1272/20cent19456td.jpg

This should be fun. It would be nice to have various topics from popular culture, national achievements, and significant events during the decade. :)

Yeah that would be a great idea - then we could include music, films, clothes etc...kaya lang the decade was overshadowed by Sept 21 1972..... :)
well, at least the RP

This should be fun. It would be nice to have various topics from popular culture, national achievements, and significant events during the decade. :)

Yeah that would be a great idea - then we could include music, films, clothes etc...kaya lang the decade was overshadowed by Sept 21 1972..... :)
well, at least the RP

I can't believe people could actually swim in Manila Bay - yuck!!
Welll, it looked much cleaner and bluer.

I can't believe people could actually swim in Manila Bay - yuck!!
Welll, it looked much cleaner and bluer.

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

Yeah that would be a great idea - then we could include music, films, clothes etc...kaya lang the decade was overshadowed by Sept 21 1972..... :)
well, at least the RP

for what it's worth, Sept 21, 1972, will remain as the most important date within the seventies calendar. i'd say it was like the birth of Christ where history was split into AD and BC. for those of us who were already living back then, the declaration of martial law served as the pivotal point to obviously distinguish the 'pre-martial law' years and the 'martial law' years.

i also feel that this thread will help our younger forum-ers have a good grasp of what we all went through under martial rule. some of them don't even remember the EDSA people power revolt, let alone the First Quarter Storm and Martial Law. let's all contribute to make this an interesting and meaningful thread.

as a parting shot, isang sumisigabong na

NEVER AGAIN!

Yeah that would be a great idea - then we could include music, films, clothes etc...kaya lang the decade was overshadowed by Sept 21 1972..... :)
well, at least the RP

for what it's worth, Sept 21, 1972, will remain as the most important date within the seventies calendar. i'd say it was like the birth of Christ where history was split into AD and BC. for those of us who were already living back then, the declaration of martial law served as the pivotal point to obviously distinguish the 'pre-martial law' years and the 'martial law' years.

i also feel that this thread will help our younger forum-ers have a good grasp of what we all went through under martial rule. some of them don't even remember the EDSA people power revolt, let alone the First Quarter Storm and Martial Law. let's all contribute to make this an interesting and meaningful thread.

as a parting shot, isang sumisigabong na

NEVER AGAIN!

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

I posted the Bagong Lipunan piso coin the the Philippines 1973 thread. It's the last post on the thread. They're going to spin it off.

Here's a 50 centavo, circa 1945. I brought all these in my little shoebox of butingtings when I let Manila.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9102/50cent1945ii7wm.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4421/50cent19450ue.jpg

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

I posted the Bagong Lipunan piso coin the the Philippines 1973 thread. It's the last post on the thread. They're going to spin it off.

Here's a 50 centavo, circa 1945. I brought all these in my little shoebox of butingtings when I let Manila.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9102/50cent1945ii7wm.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4421/50cent19450ue.jpg

Mario Taguiwalo's short message to the audience at Rakrakan para sa Kalayaan, in commemoration of the Martial Law anniversary in 2003. May our younger forumers glean from the message.


"Good evening, you lucky Filipinos, living in freedom and democracy today, free to do great things or stupid things of your choice, enjoying democracy even for the desperate. We are indeed lucky Filipinos.

"We live in terrible times. Life is hard and it hardly seems to get better. Money is short and hope is even more scarce.

"Yet it might be raining troubles today, but there was a time when we were in the midst of a flood of problems. It might seem like nothing works for us these days, but there was a time when everything worked against us. It might seem that our government cannot be trusted these days, but there was a time when our government was really out to get us. It might seem that our police and military cannot seem to do right these days, but there was a time when they were terribly efficient in doing wrong.

"Yes, my dear lucky Filipinos, there was a time, more than 30 years ago, when we were not so lucky, when a shitload of really heavy bad things descended upon our beautiful country. There was a time when our government did not only fail us, but really oppressed, attacked and hounded us.

"SO let me ask all of us here today to shout with me -- Never Again! Let us shout really loud so that those intending to be future dictators can hear us -- Never Again!

"There was a time when we were a nation of 80 million cowards and one son-of-a-bitch dictator. But, mga pare at mare, Never Again!

"There was a time when a Japanese tourist told us that we are a rucky people because we have a President who robs us and a First Lady who robs us even more. But, my friends, Never Again!

"There was a time when our sisters were raped, our brothers murdered, our fathers imprisoned, our mothers did not stop crying, and we ourselves were paralyzed by fear. But mga kababayan ko, Never Again!

"There was a time when soldiers cut the long hair of young men against their will. But for those among us who love their hair long, we say, Never Again!

"There was time when the brains of a Science High student got scattered on the streets by an exploding pillbox. Those of us who still have our brains, we cry, Never Again!

"There was time when we were immobilized by threat, when we did not know what to believe, when we thought that fear, ignorance and intimidation would never end. But now we know, Never Again!

"Finally, there was a time we could hardly muster the courage to protest, when we could hardly find the strength to be outraged, when we thought each of us were alone against the terrible machinery of oppression. But now we are sure, Never Again!"

Mario Taguiwalo's short message to the audience at Rakrakan para sa Kalayaan, in commemoration of the Martial Law anniversary in 2003. May our younger forumers glean from the message.


"Good evening, you lucky Filipinos, living in freedom and democracy today, free to do great things or stupid things of your choice, enjoying democracy even for the desperate. We are indeed lucky Filipinos.

"We live in terrible times. Life is hard and it hardly seems to get better. Money is short and hope is even more scarce.

"Yet it might be raining troubles today, but there was a time when we were in the midst of a flood of problems. It might seem like nothing works for us these days, but there was a time when everything worked against us. It might seem that our government cannot be trusted these days, but there was a time when our government was really out to get us. It might seem that our police and military cannot seem to do right these days, but there was a time when they were terribly efficient in doing wrong.

"Yes, my dear lucky Filipinos, there was a time, more than 30 years ago, when we were not so lucky, when a shitload of really heavy bad things descended upon our beautiful country. There was a time when our government did not only fail us, but really oppressed, attacked and hounded us.

"SO let me ask all of us here today to shout with me -- Never Again! Let us shout really loud so that those intending to be future dictators can hear us -- Never Again!

"There was a time when we were a nation of 80 million cowards and one son-of-a-bitch dictator. But, mga pare at mare, Never Again!

"There was a time when a Japanese tourist told us that we are a rucky people because we have a President who robs us and a First Lady who robs us even more. But, my friends, Never Again!

"There was a time when our sisters were raped, our brothers murdered, our fathers imprisoned, our mothers did not stop crying, and we ourselves were paralyzed by fear. But mga kababayan ko, Never Again!

"There was a time when soldiers cut the long hair of young men against their will. But for those among us who love their hair long, we say, Never Again!

"There was time when the brains of a Science High student got scattered on the streets by an exploding pillbox. Those of us who still have our brains, we cry, Never Again!

"There was time when we were immobilized by threat, when we did not know what to believe, when we thought that fear, ignorance and intimidation would never end. But now we know, Never Again!

"Finally, there was a time we could hardly muster the courage to protest, when we could hardly find the strength to be outraged, when we thought each of us were alone against the terrible machinery of oppression. But now we are sure, Never Again!"

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

For you drfeelgood17,

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3693/1pseo1976ii6gr.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5508/1peso19766gj.jpg

Great to see the old banknotes, kuyageezer.
I don't remember the 1 peso bill, but I do remember the Marcos-era Piso coins and the star-shaped 25 centavos...

For you drfeelgood17,

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3693/1pseo1976ii6gr.jpg
http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5508/1peso19766gj.jpg

my mom told me a story when she was a freshi in UE, the military fired a tear gas in their building and when everyone start panicking trying to get out. a group of militant with wooden stick trying to hit and wack them for no reason. she was hit in the leg, and walked home crying :no:

my mom told me a story when she was a freshi in UE, the military fired a tear gas in their building and when everyone start panicking trying to get out. a group of militant with wooden stick trying to hit and wack them for no reason. she was hit in the leg, and walked home crying :no:

This would be I guess a different tale from a majority of the people here. Hmm, my parents knew Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco (ONE of the leading cronies of former dictator Ferdinand Marcos) and they are [ehem] Marcos supports... :runaway: Well, they say that Marcos did a lot of good in their area [assuming that place is pro-Marcos] and during this time they saw the "money" of the country being used for [uhm, unethical purpose] too. :bash:

They said the very beginning of the Martial Law was pretty good and that improvements were made. I just hear these stuff around the house when they talked about the experiences that they had. This morning they talked about the [maletas] of moneys that they seen and [delivered] (yikes!) --> hindi po kami nag-benefit nito. Anyway, I would like to know what really happened in the begginning and then we go into the "bad parts"... :cheers:

This would be I guess a different tale from a majority of the people here. Hmm, my parents knew Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco (ONE of the leading cronies of former dictator Ferdinand Marcos) and they are [ehem] Marcos supports... :runaway: Well, they say that Marcos did a lot of good in their area [assuming that place is pro-Marcos] and during this time they saw the "money" of the country being used for [uhm, unethical purpose] too. :bash:

They said the very beginning of the Martial Law was pretty good and that improvements were made. I just hear these stuff around the house when they talked about the experiences that they had. This morning they talked about the [maletas] of moneys that they seen and [delivered] (yikes!) --> hindi po kami nag-benefit nito. Anyway, I would like to know what really happened in the begginning and then we go into the "bad parts"... :cheers:

Here's a few from my collection...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg1944 1 centavo, 1958 5 centavo, 1962 1 centavo
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00728.jpg1974 piso & 1975 5piso
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00729.jpg

Here's a few from my collection...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg1944 1 centavo, 1958 5 centavo, 1962 1 centavo
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00728.jpg1974 piso & 1975 5piso
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00729.jpg

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

Tough, its sorta like the Decada 70 movie... :)

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

Tough, its sorta like the Decada 70 movie... :)

@ Animo, since your folks had dirty dealings, can I have one of the maletas, please, thanks! :) :jk:

@ Animo, since your folks had dirty dealings, can I have one of the maletas, please, thanks! :) :jk:

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

Is this what the word "salvaging" means? I heard it a lot when I was a child, but I never knew what it meant exactly.

^My dad was a student activist too during the Marshall Law days but lucky for him he did not get jailed. His brother though was put in jail even when he was still in high school for attending anti-Marcos rallies.

Is this what the word "salvaging" means? I heard it a lot when I was a child, but I never knew what it meant exactly.

@ Animo, since your folks had dirty dealings, can I have one of the maletas, please, thanks! :) :jk:

Hindi nga kami nag-benefit kasi they knew that it was ibad! pero meron raw silang "konti" na tangap! :naughty:

Seriously the people that benefited from those activities are still rich up to these days and they are well-known too. Sorry, cant give names I might have the activistas asking questions about it... :jk:

@ Animo, since your folks had dirty dealings, can I have one of the maletas, please, thanks! :) :jk:

Hindi nga kami nag-benefit kasi they knew that it was ibad! pero meron raw silang "konti" na tangap! :naughty:

Seriously the people that benefited from those activities are still rich up to these days and they are well-known too. Sorry, cant give names I might have the activistas asking questions about it... :jk:

Tough, its sorta like the Decada 70 movie... :)
I've heard about that movie but havent seen it yet.

Tough, its sorta like the Decada 70 movie... :)
I've heard about that movie but havent seen it yet.

Just kidding Animo. :)
So, when's a good day to interview you and your parents? :tongue3:

Just kidding Animo. :)
So, when's a good day to interview you and your parents? :tongue3:

1973 was the year Martial Law started right? Bagong Lipunan?

1973 was the year Martial Law started right? Bagong Lipunan?

Is this what the word "salvaging" means? I heard it a lot when I was a child, but I never knew what it meant exactly.
You see what happened was my gullible uncle got tricked by a hot chick into signing some sort of petition to support an anti-Marcos rally. It turned out the girl was a working undercover and turned the list of students to Marcos gestapo police and so he stayed in jail but only for overnight I think.

Is this what the word "salvaging" means? I heard it a lot when I was a child, but I never knew what it meant exactly.
You see what happened was my gullible uncle got tricked by a hot chick into signing some sort of petition to support an anti-Marcos rally. It turned out the girl was a working undercover and turned the list of students to Marcos gestapo police and so he stayed in jail but only for overnight I think.

You see what happened was my gullible uncle got tricked by a hot chick into signing some sort of petition to support an anti-Marcos rally. It turned out the girl was a working undercover and turned the list of students to Marcos gestapo police and so he stayed in jail but only for overnight I think.

Yikes! chicks pala... :D

You see what happened was my gullible uncle got tricked by a hot chick into signing some sort of petition to support an anti-Marcos rally. It turned out the girl was a working undercover and turned the list of students to Marcos gestapo police and so he stayed in jail but only for overnight I think.

Yikes! chicks pala... :D

Here's a few from my collection...
[IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg]

Great! You remember how the taxi drivers used to use the 1 centavo coin to somehow regulate the meters in their taxis? They welded it to some copper wires that were sticking out of the meter to ground it or something.

Here's a few from my collection...
[IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg]

Great! You remember how the taxi drivers used to use the 1 centavo coin to somehow regulate the meters in their taxis? They welded it to some copper wires that were sticking out of the meter to ground it or something.

I remember seeing some of those coins above in my grandfathers house. I think it was in my aunt's "alcancia" (piggy bank in spanish/visayan) in which she collected. I don't know what happened to it. Siguro binigay everytime meron mag-carolling... :2cents:

I remember seeing some of those coins above in my grandfathers house. I think it was in my aunt's "alcancia" (piggy bank in spanish/visayan) in which she collected. I don't know what happened to it. Siguro binigay everytime meron mag-carolling... :2cents:

Here's a few from my collection...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg1944 1 centavo, 1958 5 centavo, 1962 1 centavo
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00728.jpg1974 piso & 1975 5piso
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00729.jpg

Boy, these bring back a lot of memories!

@kuyageezer:Thats interesting but dont recall that since I was still hanging with my Dad at the time. :) My older coins came from an uncle's little piggy bank actually.

Here's a few from my collection...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00725.jpg1944 1 centavo, 1958 5 centavo, 1962 1 centavo
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00728.jpg1974 piso & 1975 5piso
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/sandwalker206/DSC00729.jpg

Boy, these bring back a lot of memories!

@kuyageezer:Thats interesting but dont recall that since I was still hanging with my Dad at the time. :) My older coins came from an uncle's little piggy bank actually.

Hot chicks cant never be trusted cause they know they can get away with almost anything

Hot chicks cant never be trusted cause they know they can get away with almost anything

@kuyageezer:Thats interesting but dont recall that since I was still hanging with my Dad at the time. :) My older coins came from an uncle's little piggy bank actually.

Oh ok. Yeah, this was way back in the 60's and 70's when they had the mechanical meters. Even back then the 1 centavo was no longer really worth anything. That's why they used it for something other than buying anything with it.

@kuyageezer:Thats interesting but dont recall that since I was still hanging with my Dad at the time. :) My older coins came from an uncle's little piggy bank actually.

Oh ok. Yeah, this was way back in the 60's and 70's when they had the mechanical meters. Even back then the 1 centavo was no longer really worth anything. That's why they used it for something other than buying anything with it.

He got salvaged by a hot chick hehe

He got salvaged by a hot chick hehe

^thanks to the hormones :cheers:

^thanks to the hormones :cheers:

^You know what I'd wish though is for BSP to bring back faces of Rizal and others back to the bills.

^You know what I'd wish though is for BSP to bring back faces of Rizal and others back to the bills.

^thanks to the hormones :cheers:

Who knows he might got some "action" during his one night stay! :jk:

^thanks to the hormones :cheers:

Who knows he might got some "action" during his one night stay! :jk:

Very interesting accounts coming from progenies of both sides of the political spectrum, guys.

Thank you Lloyd (Sugarboy) for starting this new thread as a paean to the 70s decade. Yes, it was a defining moment in Philippine modern political history. The pictures appeared very tranquil and idyllic when in fact the coming years will witness a political maelstrom that will lead to the upheaval of People Power revolution in the late 80s. (I think we should also have an 80s thread.)

Jefferyi. 'Salvage' was a military jargon for the sudden abduction and "perpetual silencing" (i.e. killing) of political dissenters and even common criminals without due process. No Miranda rights, no court process, etc. They just become 'desaparacidos' who just disappear on the face of the earth. Sometimes, their corpses are discovered discarded in some cogon areas in Antipolo or other hinterland or not at all.

Yes, Animo. The Marcos cronies/supporters are still in place, in power and rich. I have heard of these maletas of money hastily being packed and entrusted to cronies to be brought with them abroad when the Marcoses and their supporters were exiled. You have just confirmed it. Well, we are not on a witch hunt here. The Marcoses have for some reason escaped prosecution both in the World court and in the Philippines. They are back in positions of power with impunity. The others who took over leadership in the Philippines were not any better or not much worse. They also had their opportunity to aggrandize wealth for themselves. This is the legacy and burden of the Filipinos. To the victors, the spoils.

This is why according to Sugarboy, it is important to keep these awareness and discussions alive so that we don't suffer from shortness of memory and historical amnesia.

Very interesting accounts coming from progenies of both sides of the political spectrum, guys.

Thank you Lloyd (Sugarboy) for starting this new thread as a paean to the 70s decade. Yes, it was a defining moment in Philippine modern political history. The pictures appeared very tranquil and idyllic when in fact the coming years will witness a political maelstrom that will lead to the upheaval of People Power revolution in the late 80s. (I think we should also have an 80s thread.)

Jefferyi. 'Salvage' was a military jargon for the sudden abduction and "perpetual silencing" (i.e. killing) of political dissenters and even common criminals without due process. No Miranda rights, no court process, etc. They just become 'desaparacidos' who just disappear on the face of the earth. Sometimes, their corpses are discovered discarded in some cogon areas in Antipolo or other hinterland or not at all.

Yes, Animo. The Marcos cronies/supporters are still in place, in power and rich. I have heard of these maletas of money hastily being packed and entrusted to cronies to be brought with them abroad when the Marcoses and their supporters were exiled. You have just confirmed it. Well, we are not on a witch hunt here. The Marcoses have for some reason escaped prosecution both in the World court and in the Philippines. They are back in positions of power with impunity. The others who took over leadership in the Philippines were not any better or not much worse. They also had their opportunity to aggrandize wealth for themselves. This is the legacy and burden of the Filipinos. To the victors, the spoils.

This is why according to Sugarboy, it is important to keep these awareness and discussions alive so that we don't suffer from shortness of memory and historical amnesia.

@Animo:lol: that bastard no wonder he doesnt talk much about it

@Animo:lol: that bastard no wonder he doesnt talk much about it

Sorry to intrude on your 'hot chick' discussion guys. ;)

Sorry to intrude on your 'hot chick' discussion guys. ;)

@Animo:lol: that bastard no wonder he doesnt talk much about it

Sheesh! Im busy doing homework. I'll talk later! :gunz:

:jk:

@Animo:lol: that bastard no wonder he doesnt talk much about it

Sheesh! Im busy doing homework. I'll talk later! :gunz:

:jk:

Great collection Kuya Beng. First time I've seen a Mabini one peso bill. The coins with the United States of America engraving on the back must be worth a bit of a fortune by now. What about the coins with the lady Filipinas engraving on its face? Would you have those?

Thanks for sharing.

Great collection Kuya Beng. First time I've seen a Mabini one peso bill. The coins with the United States of America engraving on the back must be worth a bit of a fortune by now. What about the coins with the lady Filipinas engraving on its face? Would you have those?

Thanks for sharing.

Sure. ;)

Sure. ;)

Great collection Kuya Beng. First time I've seen a Mabini one peso bill. The coins with the United States of America engraving on the back must be worth a bit of a fortune by now. What about the coins with the lady Filipinas engraving on its face? Would you have those?

Thanks for sharing.

You mean like the one on the 1945 20 centavo? Not sure what you're referring to.

Great collection Kuya Beng. First time I've seen a Mabini one peso bill. The coins with the United States of America engraving on the back must be worth a bit of a fortune by now. What about the coins with the lady Filipinas engraving on its face? Would you have those?

Thanks for sharing.

You mean like the one on the 1945 20 centavo? Not sure what you're referring to.

Yes, Animo. The Marcos cronies/supporters are still in place, in power and rich. I have heard of these maletas of money hastily being packed and entrusted to cronies to be brought with them abroad when the Marcoses and their supporters were exiled.

I was not only talking about the late 80's. They told me that those "rich cronies" needed the help of the government in order to get the votes of the people. Lets say a couple of really rich folks just back them up and the money they used was really intended for the poor.

Sabi ko nga this morning kawawa naman iyong mga pobre kasi lets say P10 million was supposed to be used for them but 50% goes to the politicians pockets.

Yes, Animo. The Marcos cronies/supporters are still in place, in power and rich. I have heard of these maletas of money hastily being packed and entrusted to cronies to be brought with them abroad when the Marcoses and their supporters were exiled.

I was not only talking about the late 80's. They told me that those "rich cronies" needed the help of the government in order to get the votes of the people. Lets say a couple of really rich folks just back them up and the money they used was really intended for the poor.

Sabi ko nga this morning kawawa naman iyong mga pobre kasi lets say P10 million was supposed to be used for them but 50% goes to the politicians pockets.

Sorry to intrude on your 'hot chick' discussion guys. ;)
Dont be Lili. I'd rather know what Lili has to say myself:cheers:

Sorry to intrude on your 'hot chick' discussion guys. ;)
Dont be Lili. I'd rather know what Lili has to say myself:cheers:

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!

Yeah that's right - Lili has come to salvage us from frivolous talk. :)

Yeah that's right - Lili has come to salvage us from frivolous talk. :)

I actually noticed one thing comparing the pics that Sugarboy posted here and the 1960s pic in the Then and now thread: yes the streets looked clean and tranquil BUT the buildings had started deteriorating. A sign that the RP started its long decline after Sept 21 1972....

I actually noticed one thing comparing the pics that Sugarboy posted here and the 1960s pic in the Then and now thread: yes the streets looked clean and tranquil BUT the buildings had started deteriorating. A sign that the RP started its long decline after Sept 21 1972....

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!


i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!


i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.

i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.

I think you also have a point. I really want to know about the very beginning about it.

i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.

I think you also have a point. I really want to know about the very beginning about it.

I think you also have a point. I really want to know about the very beginning about it.

I think it probabably started when Marcos was first elected in '65. Lyndon Johnson was US president at the time and the Vietnam War was starting to intensify.

I think you also have a point. I really want to know about the very beginning about it.

I think it probabably started when Marcos was first elected in '65. Lyndon Johnson was US president at the time and the Vietnam War was starting to intensify.

^You know what I'd wish though is for BSP to bring back faces of Rizal and others back to the bills.

Have they totally removed Rizal? I thought he was still on some bills?

^You know what I'd wish though is for BSP to bring back faces of Rizal and others back to the bills.

Have they totally removed Rizal? I thought he was still on some bills?

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!

Very insightful comment, Jon.

Sugarboy,

I strongly agree with you, pards. September 21, 1972 is one that we should all remember as the date when the Philippines started its dance with the devil that it has never recovered from. From a country that was second to Japan in 1965 and whose currency was stronger than most Asian currencies even that of the Hongkong dollar, our country's standing has dropped significantly. All because one man decided that his personal ambition and lust for power was more important than any so-called moral responsibility to uphold the country's Constitution, preserve its political and democratic institutions, and enhance its economic growth. We can all just imagine WHAT IF martial law was not declared. Where would we be now as a country politically and economically? Iyon lang po.

Mabuhay to everyone!

Very insightful comment, Jon.

I think it probabably started when Marcos was first elected in '65. Lyndon Johnson was US president at the time and the Vietnam War was starting to intensify.

The US had supported a lot of strongman dictators due to the Communist scare. I better read up on this before commenting any further.

I think it probabably started when Marcos was first elected in '65. Lyndon Johnson was US president at the time and the Vietnam War was starting to intensify.

The US had supported a lot of strongman dictators due to the Communist scare. I better read up on this before commenting any further.

i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.


Washington DC was well in support of Marcos as soon as he stepped into power. I personally did not believe though that the US supported a Marcos dictatorship per se. They (the Americans) just had to dance well with Marcos given the strategic importance of Clark and Subic at the time of the Cold War. Marcos surely knew how to take this further to his advantage. Do remember that Marcos was a lot smarter than any of the guys in Washington. At least for that he is given credit. In this manner, he was also able to demand for continued US support in "curbing" communism and the Muslim insurgence down south.

It was a bad case of "you scratch my back while I scratch yours".

i thought it was sponsored by Washington D.C.
a dictatorship to curb the communist advance in Asia.


Washington DC was well in support of Marcos as soon as he stepped into power. I personally did not believe though that the US supported a Marcos dictatorship per se. They (the Americans) just had to dance well with Marcos given the strategic importance of Clark and Subic at the time of the Cold War. Marcos surely knew how to take this further to his advantage. Do remember that Marcos was a lot smarter than any of the guys in Washington. At least for that he is given credit. In this manner, he was also able to demand for continued US support in "curbing" communism and the Muslim insurgence down south.

It was a bad case of "you scratch my back while I scratch yours".

let it out sugarboy... why don't you let out all your frustrations on bobby benedicto and ferdinand and imelda , you know you want to...

let it out sugarboy... why don't you let out all your frustrations on bobby benedicto and ferdinand and imelda , you know you want to...

bobby benedicto? ... duplaan ko lulubngan nya! ay. ;)

bobby benedicto? ... duplaan ko lulubngan nya! ay. ;)

Washington DC was well in support of Marcos as soon as he stepped into power. I personally did not believe though that the US supported a Marcos dictatorship per se. They (the Americans) just had to dance well with Marcos given the strategic importance of Clark and Subic at the time of the Cold War. Marcos surely knew how to take this further to his advantage. Do remember that Marcos was a lot smarter than any of the guys in Washington. At least for that he is given credit. In this manner, he was also able to demand for continued US support in "curbing" communism and the Muslim insurgence down south.

It was a bad case of "you scratch my back while I scratch yours".

How come there were accounts that Marcos was in the CIA payola then? What about the Stonehill connection?

Washington DC was well in support of Marcos as soon as he stepped into power. I personally did not believe though that the US supported a Marcos dictatorship per se. They (the Americans) just had to dance well with Marcos given the strategic importance of Clark and Subic at the time of the Cold War. Marcos surely knew how to take this further to his advantage. Do remember that Marcos was a lot smarter than any of the guys in Washington. At least for that he is given credit. In this manner, he was also able to demand for continued US support in "curbing" communism and the Muslim insurgence down south.

It was a bad case of "you scratch my back while I scratch yours".

How come there were accounts that Marcos was in the CIA payola then? What about the Stonehill connection?

How come there were accounts that Marcos was in the CIA payola then? What about the Stonehill connection?

See how smart Marcos is. If indeed he was in the CIA payola, he was there to just receive the money and all other perks which came along. But do you really think Marcos was only a bit player in the grand scheme of things? No madam, he could have played along but in every single way had his own masterplan even if it meant allowing the floating of his name in an alleged CIA payola.

As for Harry Stonehill, naku, aabutin tayo ng kaumagahan dito. It's only noontime here in the PI. :)

How come there were accounts that Marcos was in the CIA payola then? What about the Stonehill connection?

See how smart Marcos is. If indeed he was in the CIA payola, he was there to just receive the money and all other perks which came along. But do you really think Marcos was only a bit player in the grand scheme of things? No madam, he could have played along but in every single way had his own masterplan even if it meant allowing the floating of his name in an alleged CIA payola.

As for Harry Stonehill, naku, aabutin tayo ng kaumagahan dito. It's only noontime here in the PI. :)

bobby benedicto? ... duplaan ko lulubngan nya! ay. ;)

I really expected that..... :cheers:

bobby benedicto? ... duplaan ko lulubngan nya! ay. ;)

I really expected that..... :cheers:

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg18433.html

CTRL] [9] The Marcos Dynasty
Kris Millegan
Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:03:28 -0700

-Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Marcos Dynasty
Sterling Seagrave©1988
Harper & Row, Inc
ISBN 0-06-015815-8
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--The Counter-Intelligence Corps and its successor agency, the CIA, naturally never revealed exactly how they spent the $100 million provided by Kodama, but a number of new anti-Communist organizations soon came into xistence and established cells throughout the Far East. One of these was the religious cult of the Moonies, founded by the South Korean Sun Myung Moon, with help from the CIA and its South Korean stepchild, the KCIA. Another was the Asian Peoples' Anti-Communist League (APACL), founded by South Korea's Syngman Rhee, Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek, and the CIA. Kodama's old friend Sasakawa Ryiochi became the champion of the Moonies in Japan, and one of the prime movers behind the Japanese branch of APACL. In 1970, Sasakawa organized the World Anti-Communist League as the successor to APACL. According to one version, the Reverend Moon and Sasakawa jawboned with prominent Japanese rightists at one of Sasakawa's speedboat racing courses at the foot of Mount Fuji and laid their plans to spread the League worldwide.--
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Nineteen

CLOAK AND DAGGER

WHETHER FERDINAND FIRST APPROACHED the CIA about Yamashita's Gold, or the CIA approached him, is not important, for he had been involved with the agency intermittently since the early 1950s. Where the gold was concerned, the group he dealt with was a .veritable Who's Who of American clandestine operations. Among them were some of the same men fleetingly exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal—a quasi-private military intelligence cell calling itself "The Enterprise" and engaged in worldwide intrigues for the White House involving huge black-bag payoffs. Marcos and Ver themselves were implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal for providing the false end-user certificates that
allowed the secret team to divert arms wherever it wished.
Hundreds of millions of dollars were involved in the Iran-Contra arms deals, with collusion among the United States, Israel, the Philippines, and other countries, including all the cloak-and-dagger paraphernalia of Swiss numbered accounts, dummy companies, and clandestine ships and planes. But as one of
The Enterprise testified, "This is pipsqueak stuff."

Reading between the lines of Lieutenant Colonel North's testimony, it is clear that CIA director William Casey was proud of having an "off the shelf" team of private operators funded by unofficial sources. This enabled Casey to avoid the kind of interference from Congress that had been blocking the Reagan administration's initiatives to topple the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. But Casey's gambit was not entirely new. The members of The Enterprise were all larger-than-life characters who had worked together for many years, a first generation of colorful old OSS hands, and a second generation of hard-nosed covert action types who cut their milk teeth at the Bay of Pigs. Some of their names have since become familiar: John Singlaub, Richard Secord, Ray Cline, Theodore Shackley, Thomas Clines, and others.

But no longer around is the man who, in a way, started it all going: the CIA's original overseas paymaster and Mister Black Bag. His name was Paul Helliwell.

Helliwell was America's chief of intelligence in China during World War II, part of the same overall operation as Captain (later Rear Admi-ral) Milton "Mary" Miles, who supported the charming but ruthless Nationalist Chinese secret police boss, Tai Li, until Tai Li's death in a booby-trapped plane soon after the end of World War II As China desk officer for the OSS,
Helliwell became the man who controlled the pipe-line of covert funds for secret operations throughout East Asia after the war. This was virgin territory. A lawyer by training, he evolved a system of handling black money
from a multitude of sources, many of them extra-legal, laundering it, and moving it around in a shell game through banks he set up like walnuts for that purpose, using artful dodgers as couriers and financial sleight of hand. Often, he ended up with more money than he began, because of the way black funds have of growing when freed of legal restraints, and thanks to the violent death in war and revolution of so many of his depositors, leaving their inheritance to be spent as the Agency wished.

Thanks to the CIA's part in rescuing the regime of Generalissimo Chiang in 1949, Helliwell had access to its black resources. In 1949 Helliwell and a handful of other CIA agents salvaged Claire Chennault's Civil Air Transport (CAT) and other American and Chinese aircraft from the mainland, and transferred them by ship to Taiwan.

He spent the years immediately following Mao's victory reorganizing the U.S. line of defense around Red China. With war-surplus Victory ships and Liberty ships, and some of Chennault's planes, he set up Sea Supply Corporation and
Air America, using the Philippines and Thailand as staging bases for secret operations throughout Southeast Asia. As a means of harassing Red China rom the rear, and gathering intelligence, Sea Supply ferried materiel to hailand to support the KMT opium armies in Burma and the rebellious Champa tribesmen in eastern Tibet. CAT and Air America flew these supplies from hailand into the Golden Triangle poppy fields and across upper Burma to the Himalayas, and flew supplies from the Philippines for the beleaguered French Dienbienphu.

It was an expensive business. The KMT and the CIA paid off General Phao, the commander of the Thai police, who obligingly transshipped heroin from the opium armies down to Bangkok for export. They also paid the KMT's General Li Mi what it took to keep his army of ten thousand going, which Li Mi was not about to do with his share of the opium proceeds. All this took a lot of gold bullion, but Helliwell rose to the 0ccasion. He and other Agency financial experts in the field followed basic rules laid down by the original CIA director of covert operations, Frank Wisner. First get the rich people on your side, including the rich gangsters, then set up channels for black money so you can provide funds across borders to the people who need them to get the job done. Kim Philby said Wisner once told him, "It is essential to secure the overt cooperation of people with conspicuous access to wealth in their own right." The cooperation of rich people hid the transfer of black money.

On the other side of the world in Europe, a program similar to Helliwell's was set up by a Hungarian-born OSS officer, Nicolas Deak. Eventually, this matured into the legitimate money trader Deak & Company, a glossy firm with
fifty-nine international offices. Deak's services were used by the CIA's Kim Roosevelt to finance the 1953 coup against Mohammed Mossadeq in Iran, hich involved paying massive bribes to undermine Mossadeq in favor of the young Shah.

At the end of the Pacific War, most of the money in Asia was in the hands of relatively few people: those who had managed to hold onto what they had before the war, and those who had taken advantage of the war to help themselves to the wealth of others. Both groups contributed to Helliwell's operations for the same reason, dread of communism. Helliwell supported right-wing groups all over Asia by drawing on the coffers of the Chiangs, theK Korean generals, and the kuromaku of Japan, foremost among them Kodama.

Half of Kodama's personal wartime hoard of $200 million was turned over to the Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) in 1948, as part of the complex deal worked out between MacArthur and Chiang for Kodama's freedom and that of is powerful cellmates. The $100 million that the CIC got, shy of what it had to split with the generalissimo (perhaps fifty-fifty), became seed money and fertilizer for Helliwell's money tree. The CIC used Kodama first to pay off pro-American politicians in Japan, Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia. After ten years literally as an employee of G-2, Kodama was officially put on the CIA payroll in 1958. That same year, he became the Lockheed agent in Japan, receiving $6.3 million in bribes either from Lockheed or from the CIA through Lockheed during the years from 1966 to 1972. Kodama preferred cash, so Lockheed delivered it to him via Deak & Company couriers. The Lockheed affair climaxed in 1976 with the arrest of Prime Minister Tanaka for bribery, of which he was later convicted.

The Counter-Intelligence Corps and its successor agency, the CIA, naturally never revealed exactly how they spent the $100 million provided by Kodama, but a number of new anti-Communist organizations soon came into existence and established cells throughout the Far East. One of these was the religious
cult of the Moonies, founded by the South Korean Sun Myung Moon, with help
from the CIA and its South Korean stepchild, the KCIA. Another was the Asian Peoples' Anti-Communist League (APACL), founded by South Korea's Syngman Rhee, Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek, and the CIA. Kodama's old friend Sasakawa Ryiochi became the champion of the Moonies in Japan, and one of the prime movers behind the Japanese branch of APACL. In 1970, Sasakawa organized the World Anti-Communist League as the successor to APACL. According to one version, the Reverend Moon and Sasakawa jawboned with prominent Japanese rightists at one of Sasakawa's speedboat racing courses at the foot of Mount Fuji and laid their plans to spread the League worldwide. During its early years, WACL was widely reported to have been financed largely from Sasakawa's huge fortune.

Among other covert operations, Helliwell's black-money channels were used to underwrite Lansdale's anti-Huk campaign in the Philippines, the election of President Magsaysay, and subsequent Filipino political contests. From the Philippines, it was used to pay the Indonesians fighting Sukarno. When America became entangled in Vietnam, Helliwell's financial magic was used to keep the Saigon generals happy and to set up overseas accounts for Laotian princelings and druglords.

Glamorous as they were in cloak-and-dagger terms, the CIA operations in Tibet, Burma, and Indonesia were military failures and intelligence failures
as well, although many of the technical people-pilots and individual agents-performed heroic feats under hazardous conditions. They failed not for want of daring and ingenuity in the field, but because of bad judgment, questionable motives, and evasion of responsibility at policy levels in Washington. One of the KMT opium generals, General Lee, told me that his
troops got such a bad reception from villagers on the Chinese side of the border that they stopped making forays, and thereafter provided the CIA with
intelligence that was invented to suit the occasion.

Helliwell's financial methods, on the other hand, were seen as a great success, with application worldwide. What could not be achieved by killing people often could be done by buying allies and paying off enemies, something Asians and Europeans had learned to do centuries earlier. In 1960—following Castro's victory in Cuba the previous yearCIA covert operations director Richard Bissell brought Helliwell back from the Far East to set up a Western Hemisphere version of Sea Supply and Air America out of Miami called Southern Air Transport, and a new chain of black-money banks to pay for the Bay of Pigs operation that Bissell was planning.

Among Helliwell's creations were Castle Bank and Mercantile Bank & Trust in the Bahamas. One of his associates was Wallace Groves, who was involved with Ferdinand in the Benguet mines. Like Kodama, Groves was taken on as a IA adviser.

Helliwell thereby became the paymaster for the Bay of Pigs. He did not scraph his Asian networks, he just extended them around the world, his string of banks eventually stretching from Florida and the Bahamas to the Caymans, the Netherlands Antilles, Panama, Honolulu, Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney, Beirut, and Teheran. No one will ever know how much flight capital flowed through the murky streams between these banks. One by one, the banks collapsed in scandal, lasting only as long as they were needed, to be replaced somewhere else by their clones. One of these clones was the Nugan-Hand Bank, which became a pipeline for the Marcos gold deals.

Working for Paul Helliwell in China near the end of the Pacific War were two young intelligence officers, Ray Cline and John Singlaub, one a brilliant analyst, the other a paramilitary expert.

Singlaub was a legitimate American hero. As a young OSS agent, he parachuted behind German lines in France in 1944 to help the Resistance prepare for D-Day. According to legend, during the liberation of Singapore it was Singlaub who parachuted in to unlock the gates of Changi Prison. Near the end of the war, he was dropped into China to train KMT guerrillas, in the process developing an inflexible anti-Communist bond with the Chiang regime. When the Japanese surrendered, he was appointed chief of the U.S. military mission in Mukden, Manchuria, attempting from there to influence the outcome of the Chinese civil war. With Mao's victory, Singlaub succeeded Paul Helliwell as China desk officer for the CIA. As a paramilitary expert, he helped organize the Ranger Training Center at Fort Benning, Georgia, to prepare army commandos for CIA missions, and directed many of the agent drops in China, most of whom vanished without a trace. During the Korean War he became CIA deputy chief in South Korea, rising to the rank of general.

Understandably, Singlaub the centurion came to be regarded with awe by a whole generation of American military men and intelligence officers, many of whom shared his conservative views about the way things should be in Asia. Around him grew a following that developed into an infrastructure at the Pentagon and CIA.

When Singlaub took over the China desk from Paul Helliwell, one of his top agents was Ray Cline. After the Chiang regime fled to Taiwan, Cline became a key operative in Taipei because of his close friendship with the generalissimo's son and heir, Chiang Ching-kuo ("CCK"). They engaged in heroic all-night drinking bouts that became a legend in the Agency. Cline also was the conduit through which CIA funds flowed to set up the Asian People's Anti-Communist League (APACL) in Taiwan and South Korea in 1955-56, which soon had its own agents operating throughout the Far East. One of the chief fundraisers for Cline's creation was Kodama's fellow kuromaku Sasakawa.

At Sasakawa's initiative, the APACL eventually became the World Anti-Communist League, and was headed for many years by Chiang Kai-shek's henchman, Ku Cheng-kang.

Cline's drinking buddy, the generalissimo's son, rose to be security chief, defense minister, and ultimately president of Taiwan. From 1958 to 1962, Cline served as CIA station chief in Taipei, and had extraordinary influence.
Cline and CCK worked in harness to carry out black operations throughout Asia, including the struggle to dominate the overseas Chinese communities in the Philippines and Indonesia. Together they set up the Political Warfare Cadres Academy in Peitou, outside Taipei. An exceptionally clever and intelligent man, Cline went back to Washington at the end of 1962 to become the CIA's deputy director for intelligence worldwide. In this position he continued to work closely with Paul Helliwell, John Singlaub, and CCK, and
would have been kept well informed on Marcos gold deals by agents in Manila,
since these deals were an item of great interest.

The decision of President Eisenhower to begin planning an invasion of Cuba, and to explore options for assassinating Fidel Castro, led the CIA to strike a bargain with Mafia don Santo Trafficante, whose casinos and brothels in Havana had been closed down by Castro, and antiCastro operations became a joint venture with the Mafia. The Kennedys intensified the effort, bringing new players into the forefront of the CIA's covert action group. Two of this new generation were Theodore Shackley and Thomas Clines. For the next three decades, Clines and Shackley moved back and forth from Asia to the Caribbean leaving in their path all manner of invasions, military coups, political
assassinations, and what one member of The Enterprise boasted were "the biggest black-bag operations of all time."

Shackley and Clines were among those given the job of organizing the Bay of Pigs invasion. Its embarrassing failure cost Allen Dulles his job as head of the CIA and Richard Bissell his as director of covert operations. But Shackley and Clines were moved on to the next urgent task at hand: helping to arrange the assassination of Fidel Castro, his brother Raul, Che Guevara, and others in Operation Mongoose.

It was the decision of the Kennedy brothers to bring General Edward Lansdale back from Manila and Saigon to plan Operation Mongoose. They, like so many others, had allowed themselves to be convinced that Lansdale's Huk campaign and the election of Magsaysay had been an unqualified success. It took many months for the realization to sink in that Lansdale lived in a covert version of Disneyland. This became apparent within the Agency when word spread that the general was planning a triumphal victory parade through Havana: it would be accomplished by having a submarine surface one night off the Malecon to fire star shells into the sky, which Catholic Cubans would take to be the Second Coming.

On assuming the presidency, Lyndon Johnson turned his attention away from Cuba to Vietnam, and Shackley and Clines were sent off to apply their peculiar specialty in Indochina. Operation Mongoose was turned into Operation Phoenix, a monthly bounty hunt to destroy America's enemies at the village level by assassinating them. Phoenix resulted in the killing (often with silenced pistols in the middle of the night) of more than twenty thousand
Vietnamese, some said fifty thousand-mostly civilians-reaching an estimated
total of seventy-five thousand people throughout Indochina, including women
and children. The overall coordination of Phoenix was attributed -to William
Colby, but General John Singlaub ran the cutting edge in Vietnam (called SOG,
or Special Operations Group), while Shackley and Clines ran the parallel
program in Laos. The chief of secret air operations throughout was General
Heinie Aderholt, an amiable, immensely likeable technical wizard and old OSS
hand who earlier had run air operations in Indonesia and Tibet for Paul Helliwell. His deputy air -wing commander for Singlaub's SOG was air force
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Secord. It was in this way that many of the key
elements of The Enterprise first came together.

While Operation Phoenix failed -to have any decisive effect on the outcome of
the Indochina War, considerable success was being achieved simply by buying
the loyalty of military officers and politicians. Businessmen, drug merchants, and statesmen like Ferdinand Marcos gladly cooperated with the CIA in return for help in moving their hidden funds to overseas banks, where the Agency felt free to dip into them to achieve its own ends.

Because buying was demonstrably more effective than killing, Paul Helliwell's
black-money network bore down and gave birth to Nugan-Hand, with its head
office in Sydney and branches in Manila, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore,
Honolulu, and Washington, D.C. One of Nugan-Hand's covert associates
described the bank as a convenience provided "for people out of Southeast
Asia during the Vietnam War ... they needed to buy property and they needed
to buy gold and they needed to put their money on deposit and they couldn't
have it up in Thailand or Laos or Cambodia or Vietnam. . . . " (Or stuck in
bank vaults in the Philippines.)

Sprinkled through Nugan-Hand were a number of Ray Cline's and John Singlaub's closest associates in the military intelligence community: In Washington, Walter McDonald, the CIA's deputy director for economic research, arranged for former CIA director William Colby to become legal counsel to Nugan-Hand.

The Honolulu office was headed by retired General Edwin F. Black, for many years a top aide of CIA director Allen Dulles, a member of the NSC staff, and chief of the U.S. military in Thailand during the Vietnam War. The Washington branch was headed by retired Rear Admiral Earl P. Yates, former chief-of-staff for plans and policy of the U.S. Pacific Command, in charge of all strategic planning as far as the Arabian Gulf. The Manila branch was headed by General Leroy Manor, former special assistant to the joint Chiefs of Staff for counterinsurgency and covert operations, who was said to have retired from active duty to undertake secret missions, including negotiating the 1979 military base rental agreement in the Philippines. Manor spent seven months negotiating the base agreement, concluding with the payment to Ferdinand of $500 million. The general then immediately accepted the post as
head of the Manila branch of Nugan-Hand.Among the questions raised is whether it was entirely proper for General Manor, as chief negotiator of the $500 million base agreement, to head a bank doing business with President Marcos and his familyand in the process accept delivery of a duty-free Ferrari. What this revealed about Manor's own judgment is less important than what it revealed, about Washington's involvement with Ferdinand. The Pentagon said Manor had retired from active duty to undertake assignments too secret to discuss, including "special liaison" with President Marcos;Nugan-Hand's business in Manila was reported to include secret CIA airlifts of tons of black gold. Did "special liaison" mean shepherding Yamashita's Gold out through the Agency's black-money channels? Manor told a journalist that he was sent out to run the Manila office "to learn"—sent out by whom, to learn what? By the 1970s, this hard core of the CIA's covert action group was acquiring positions of exceptional leverage. In 1966, Ray Cline had left his post as the CIA's deputy director of intelligence after repeated clashes with the new CIA director, Admiral Raborn. Cline made a lateral move, becoming station chief in Frankfurt, West Germany, then landed on his feet when he returned to Washington to take over the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. In this position, he was in a much better slot to influence foreign policy.

General John Singlaub became a deputy assistant secretary of defense from 1971 to 1973, then commander-in-chief of all U.S. forces in South Korea.

Shackley and Clines became station chief and deputy respectively in Saigon during the bone-crushing period 1968-72, then directed Operation Phoenix rom CIA headquarters in Virginia from 1973 to 1975. As Saigon station chief, Shackley was a primary instrument for Henry Kissinger's grim initiatives throughout Indochina. The interruption in his tenure at Saigon in 1972 came
when he and Clines were brought back long enough to mastermind the violent
overthrow of Chile's popularly elected Marxist president, Salvador Allende,
during which Allende was murdered. By the time Watergate removed Nixon from the Oval Office, Shackley was the CIA's deputy director for operations, in charge of covert action worldwide.

The fall of Saigon shifted the focus of covert action to other capitals. Richard Secord went to Iran, where he commanded the U.S. military mission. In Washington, Shackley and Clines became as alarmed by the rise of Gough Whitlam and the Labor party in Australia as they had been by the election of
Salvador Allende in Chile. It is not unusual for CIA field officers to become overinvolved in local passions, but the Agency's senior executives are expected to remain aloof, serving only as instruments of the president. The
Agency's worst setbacks were experienced when its senior executives became
obsessed with particular missions, as when Bissell became relentless in his commitment to the Bay of Pigs invasion. Shackley now showed similar signs.
Men who worked with him said he was "paranoid" about Whitlam and his Labor
party, considering it to be under the control or influence of Communists.

For some time, the CIA had been running a variety of covert operations in Australia, involving Nugan-Hand and strange comings and goings at the big U.S. technical intelligence base called Pine Gap, near Alice Springs in the Outback. Many of these intrigues were carried on with the knowing collaboration of the Australian Security Intelligence Organization, ASIO, headed by Brigadier Sir Charles Spry, who had close personal ties to the CIA going back to Allen Dulles and the OSS. Colonel Secord, who had become Singlaub and Shackley's primary air operations man in Indochina, was identified with these Australian operations during the Vietnam War, and
apparently continued to serve as a link afterwards for the movement of black
money and weapons from the Philippines and Australia to Iran.

When he testified before Congress during the Iran-Contra hearings, it was Secord who said: "This is pipsqueak stuff. When I was in Southeast Asia, we
used to pay our people in cash and gold bullion. I've been involved in some
of the biggest black-bag operations of all time."

By moving Ferdinand's illicit gold out through Nugan-Hand, the Agency would be able to do financial favors for its wealthy friends in Australia, allowing them to collect fat commissions in offshore accounts or to provide them temporarily with the spot financing they might need to make a leveraged
hostile takeover. Those favors could then be called in whenever the Agency wished.

Many of the CIA's Australian initiatives were directed at keeping the Labor party out of office. When, despite them, Whitlam became Australia's new Prime minister, he began doing what any new chief of state would, moving to bring Canberra's intelligence service under his own control. As time passed Whitlam found alarming indications that the ASIO might actually be conspiring with the CIA to bring his government down, including leaking information designed to embarrass members of his cabinet in order to force their resignation. Whitlam began sacking people at ASIO that he felt were responsible, including some of the CIA's best friends Down Under.

>From Washington, Shackley counterattacked. He informed the ASIO's Sir Charles Spry that what Whitlam was doing was causing the CIA "grave concern," and unless something was done urgently the Agency would have to break off its "mutually beneficial relationships" with the ASIO. Apparently Shackley also appealed to M16 in London to do something urgently. Three days later the Australian governorgeneral, a largely ceremonial post appointed by the queen, exercised an obscure point of law that had never before seen the light of day and removed Whitlam from office. Since then, there have been questions raised in the House of Commons about whether M16 might have been responsible.

The downfall of Gough Whitlam endeared the CIA to a whole generation of Australian tycoons horrified by what the British Labour party had done to their counterparts in England, and who felt that their own liberties were jeopardized by Whitlam's rise. For that reason alone, the Agency enjoyed unprecedented freedom to operate in and through Australia from 1975 to 1982.

Nugan-Hand with headquarters in Sydney became a black hole for hot money from all over Asia. During the fall of Saigon, a member of the secret team told
me, "On separate occasions, I was offered one million dollars in cash by individual businessmen, mostly Chinese, to fly them and their families out to
the Philippines or Central America. One association of Chinese businessmen
offered me $100 million (a million per head) to get them all out at once to
Costa Rica. I'm sorry I didn't do it. I could have done it easily, but I just didn't have any time. They must have gone elsewhere."

For the next decade Iran provided a useful laundering facility and opportunities for the sort of arms deals that secret agents like to engineer on the side. These included the resale of weapons stockpiles left over in Thailand. So while Marcos gold and Chinese flight capital moved through
Australia to Teheran and Beirut, some of the proceeds helped grease the way
for new business arrangements. Nugan-Hand served as an intermediary in the
sale of at least one spy ship to the Shah of Iran. In Teheran Richard Secord
was the chief Pentagon representative in these deals. Everything was sold-from jet fighters and radartransparent patrol boats (made of carbon fiber and exotic plastics) to espionage equipment, AWACS spy planes, and missile systems. Clines established a company called the Egyptian-American
Transport and Services Corporation (EATSCO), and began looking for other
outlets for weapons.

Ferdinand's role in many of these CIA weapons deals was to provide false end-user certificates in order to mask the real destination. The procedure was simple. As the world's largest weapons dealer, when America sold armaments to another country, Congress required guarantees that the weapons would not be resold to a third country without authorization. This guarantee was provided in the form of certificates that specified exactly to whom the weapons were going. The certificates had to be approved individually by the State Department and the Pentagon. Fabian Ver, as chief of staff of the Philippine armed forces, signed end-user certificates stating, for example, that the weapons were being resold by Israel to the Philippines. That was enough to satisfy Congress and the Pentagon, who knew that anything involving the Philippines would be hopeless to trace. Instead, the weapons would go to countries that were blacklisted.

For reasons of their own, members of the secret team were showing increasing signs of operating independently of the CIA establishment. Some of this was inevitable, due to the multiplication of CIA proprietaries, bogus banks, and laundering operations.

That came to an abrupt halt when Jimmy Carter became president, decided to
clean house, and immediately ran head-on into this rightwing cabal.

One of Carter's cost-cutting moves was a decision to reduce the size of
American forces in South Korea. This was an unpardonable error of judgment from the point of view of General Singlaub, who had spent the better part of his life building up the Korean generals as a solid rock of anti-communism in the Far East, a praetorian guard. As chief-of-staff of the United Nations command in Seoul, Singlaub publicly denounced the decision of his commander-in-chief. President Carter immediately fired him, and Singlaub was
forced to resign from the army.

Carter also had his new CIA director' Admiral Stansfield Turner, sack Shackley and Clines. EATSCO, the arms broker set up by Thomas Clines, later pleaded guilty to defrauding the U.S. government of some $8 million by overbilling customers. Richard Secord, who had risen to major general and deputy assistant secretary of defense for Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia, eventually was embarrassed by the disclosures of the EATSCO affair, and retired from the air force after being accused by the justice Department of illegally using his Pentagon post to intercede for Clines's company.

To add to their woes, the overthrow of the Shah canceled Iran as a place of remuneration for covert CIA agents. As part of his campaign for human rights,
Carter also invoked the Harkin Amendment to cut off U.S. military aid to dictator Anastasio Somoza, which put a kink in the CIA hose leading to Central America.

While the Shah was still in power, Nugan-Hand was said to have laundered "billions" for him. After his expulsion, the bank set to work moving the Shah's assets to safer places. Soon afterward, Frank Nugan's body was found outside Sydney slumped behind the wheel of his Mercedes, a bullet hole in his head and a rifle beside him. His partner Michael Hand (long identified with the CIA) vanished off the face of the earth. Nugan-Hand Bank collapsed in scandal, and all its generals and admirals sought employment elsewhere.

For a moment it seemed as though the warlocks had been put to flight. But they had only been driven underground. In a series of stunning reversals, President Carter was embarrassed by a parade of misfortunes, including the humiliating failure of his attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran—a military fiasco that seemed to have been produced by Mack Sennett, directed
by Harold Lloyd, and carried out by the Keystone Cops.

That there was a systematic campaign to unhorse President Carter has never been in doubt, although its dimensions remain unmeasured. Ferdinand Marcos
must have been pleased with Carter's defeat and the election of Ronald Reagan, because it brought on a new era of U.S.Philippine relations.

After Reagan's election and the appointment of his friend William Casey as the new director of the CIA, the old secret team of Singlaub, Shackley, and the others was reorganized into a privately funded, seemingly random group of
civilian consultancies, but with interlocking membership. The Enterprise became a shadow CIA, modeled on England's Special Operations Executive in
World War 11, an elite group that was the despair of the regular Secret
Intelligence Service. When an initiative could not be undertaken by Casey's
CIA for reasons of political sensitivity, the private consultants were
brought in.

Secord described how this came about: "One of the problems with the CIA is
that they don't have experienced people running the show. You have shoe clerks running the railroad. The Carter Administration eviscerated the CIA;
it was just wrecked, and the Clandestine branch, which was very small, was
finished. I think Casey was trying to do a good job, but he was too old to
really be effective." Secord and The Enterprise stepped into the breach.

As a civilian, John Singlaub became more active than ever in rightwing causes and anti-Communist movements. Under Reagan he regained the influence he had lost under Carter. He served as chairman of the World Anti-Communist league, and headed its American chapter, the Council for World Freedom. In 1981 he attended a WACL meeting in Taipei, where he was reported to have been given nearly $20,000 by Ray Cline's old friend, President Chiang Ching-kuo, to set up the American chapter. Lieutenant General Daniel 0. Graham, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, became its vicechairman.

The League's rosters included U.S. congressmen and senators, British members of Parliament, Nazi collaborators, notorious terrorists, death squad leaders from Latin America, assorted right-wing strongmen, and underworld figures. Among its Asian sponsors were the Chiangs, Park Chung Hee, Sasakawa Ryiochi, Kodama Yoshio, and the Reverend Moon. During his twenty years of dictatorship, President Marcos regularly attended WACL annual meetings, as did Ray Cline, John Singlaub, Kodama, and Sasakawa.

Under pressure from the Reagan White House in 1982, Singlaub's U.S. chapter
of the League was granted tax-exempt status by the IRS. Ronald Reagan himself regularly sent messages to WACL conferences, asserting that "Our combined efforts are moving the tide of history toward world freedom."

Many of the organizations lobbying for conservative causes in Washington, such as the Conservative Caucus, had interlocking directorships with WACL.
Tracing the interlocks could lead to interesting discoveries. For example,
Western Goals, established to keep track of subversives in America, was
headed by Singlaub's friend Congressman Larry McDonald, whose financial
backers included Nelson Bunker Hunt, who had tried to corner the silver
market. McDonald was also head of the John Birch Society when Bob Curtis said it had offered to launder over $20 billion in Yamashita's Gold. It may be
only coincidence that the biggest corporation in McDonald's constituency in
Georgia was Lockheed, which had paid millions to Japanese officials through
Kodama, the man most responsible for gathering Yamashita's Gold and hiding it
in the Philippines. Congressman McDonald was one of the passengers aboard
Korean Air Lines flight 007 shot down when it intruded into Soviet airspace
in 1983.

Singlaub exerted direct personal influence within the National Security Council through the military staff of generals and colonels in the Executive Office Building. When he was not in Washington his contact with the NSC was carried out for him by the Washington-based conservative lobbyist, Andrew Messing. Singlaub's access to the NSC came in part through his close friendship with Major General Robert L. Schweitzer, formerly with the Pentagon's Strategy, Plans and Policy Office, and through General John W.
Vessey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Schweitzer also was chairman
of the Inter-American Defense Board, responsible for Nicaragua, El Salvador,
and Honduras. In 1986, just as the Iran-Contra scandal was breaking, Schweitzer retired and joined Singlaub and The Enterprise in the civilian
world, taking a post as adviser with Singlaub in a Washington consulting firm
called GeoMiliTech Corporation. Similarly, when Ted Shackley had retired
under pressure from the CIA, he had joined a consulting firm in Houston
started by Thomas Clines.

In these new positions, they became especially useful to President Reagan
when Congress passed the Boland Amendment, ordering the White House and the CIA to cease paying the Contras to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista
government. To get around the Boland Amendment, the NSC's Lieutenant Colonel North struck a deal with the CIA's Casey to bring in Secord, Hakim, Shackley, and Clines-and later their associates Singlaub, Aderholt, and Schweitzer-to run guns to the Contras privately, once again turning to Ferdinand Marcos for the false end-user certificates. The whole secret team network had again come full circle, back to Manila.

By this point Ferdinand had been supplying these fake certificates to the CIA for more than a decade. This was no small deceit. More than $8 million in
weapons was involved in a single shipment, totalling $100 million in 1983 alone. A Filipino arms dealer associated with General Ver received a 5 percent commission on the proceeds of these sales; so, in that year, the dealer who was handling just the paperwork in Manila made $5 million. It is a tribute to the ingenuity of Fabian Ver that he was not content merely to sign the certificates. He went one step further and billed his own army for the cost of the shipments, then pocketed the money. Documents show that Ver, in collaboration with Israeli generals and U.S. businessmen, charged the Philippine armed forces hundreds of millions of dollars for armaments that
never arrived.*[*Apparently he was still at it in 1986, long after escaping
to his villa in the United States. In October 1986, a cargo vessel was seized
off Negros by Philippine customs officials carrying war materials bound for
Iran. The shipment, traced to Ver, was stopping at a private pier owned
jointly by Geronimo Velasco (a business associate of Ferdinand Marcos and
Harry Stonehill) and Juan Ponce Enrile. Enrile retorted that he knew nothing
about the weapons, and they were doubtless being sent to the Communist
guerrillas of the New People's Army.]

In November 1984, Ted Shackley was said to have been contacted by former
members of the Shah's SAVAK now working for the Ayatollah Khomeini, and
informed that President Reagan could regain Iran by supporting moderates in
the regime with secret arms shipments.

The key figures in this latest intrigue turned out to be Iranian arms merchant Manucher Ghorbanifar and the CIA's old friend Adnan Khashoggi, Ferdinand's pal and Imelda's disco partner, fellow Lockheed agent and business associate of Kodama. In this manner, they suggested that Reagan could ransom American hostages being held by Palestinians backed by the Ayatollah. Shackley reportedly passed this suggestion on to Colonel North, and the Iran side of the Iran-Contra conspiracy was set into motion.

At Colonel North's urging, The Enterprise engineered both the Iranian and the Contra arms deals through a number of private fronts, buying American equipment cheap, selling it dear, and salting the difference in Swiss accounts—$6 million in one alone. For his part, John Singlaub was asked by North to solicit funds from foreign countries, and was believed to have done so from South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines. Singlaub also brokered a $5.3 million arms deal for the Contras, including thousands of AK-47 assault rifles, apparently obtained cheap from his old adversary the People's Republic.

When the Iran-Contra mess burst like a boil in 1986, Singlaub and his friends
were already busy elsewhere, armed with picks and shovels, taking up where
Ferdinand Marcos had left off in the hunt for what was left of Yamashita's
Gold.

pp.360-376
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--The Counter-Intelligence Corps and its successor agency, the CIA, naturally never revealed exactly how they spent the $100 million provided by Kodama, but a number of new anti-Communist organizations soon came into xistence and established cells throughout the Far East. One of these was the religious cult of the Moonies, founded by the South Korean Sun Myung Moon, with help from the CIA and its South Korean stepchild, the KCIA. Another was the Asian Peoples' Anti-Communist League (APACL), founded by South Korea's Syngman Rhee, Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek, and the CIA. Kodama's old friend Sasakawa Ryiochi became the champion of the Moonies in Japan, and one of the prime movers behind the Japanese branch of APACL. In 1970, Sasakawa organized the World Anti-Communist League as the successor to APACL. According to one version, the Reverend Moon and Sasakawa jawboned with prominent Japanese rightists at one of Sasakawa's speedboat racing courses at the foot of Mount Fuji and laid their plans to spread the League worldwide.--
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Nineteen

CLOAK AND DAGGER

WHETHER FERDINAND FIRST APPROACHED the CIA about Yamashita's Gold, or the CIA approached him, is not important, for he had been involved with the agency intermittently since the early 1950s. Where the gold was concerned, the group he dealt with was a .veritable Who's Who of American clandestine operations. Among them were some of the same men fleetingly exposed in the Iran-Contra scandal—a quasi-private military intelligence cell calling itself "The Enterprise" and engaged in worldwide intrigues for the White House involving huge black-bag payoffs. Marcos and Ver themselves were implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal for providing the false end-user certificates that
allowed the secret team to divert arms wherever it wished.
Hundreds of millions of dollars were involved in the Iran-Contra arms deals, with collusion among the United States, Israel, the Philippines, and other countries, including all the cloak-and-dagger paraphernalia of Swiss numbered accounts, dummy companies, and clandestine ships and planes. But as one of
The Enterprise testified, "This is pipsqueak stuff."

Reading between the lines of Lieutenant Colonel North's testimony, it is clear that CIA director William Casey was proud of having an "off the shelf" team of private operators funded by unofficial sources. This enabled Casey to avoid the kind of interference from Congress that had been blocking the Reagan administration's initiatives to topple the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. But Casey's gambit was not entirely new. The members of The Enterprise were all larger-than-life characters who had worked together for many years, a first generation of colorful old OSS hands, and a second generation of hard-nosed covert action types who cut their milk teeth at the Bay of Pigs. Some of their names have since become familiar: John Singlaub, Richard Secord, Ray Cline, Theodore Shackley, Thomas Clines, and others.

But no longer around is the man who, in a way, started it all going: the CIA's original overseas paymaster and Mister Black Bag. His name was Paul Helliwell.

Helliwell was America's chief of intelligence in China during World War II, part of the same overall operation as Captain (later Rear Admi-ral) Milton "Mary" Miles, who supported the charming but ruthless Nationalist Chinese secret police boss, Tai Li, until Tai Li's death in a booby-trapped plane soon after the end of World War II As China desk officer for the OSS,
Helliwell became the man who controlled the pipe-line of covert funds for secret operations throughout East Asia after the war. This was virgin territory. A lawyer by training, he evolved a system of handling black money
from a multitude of sources, many of them extra-legal, laundering it, and moving it around in a shell game through banks he set up like walnuts for that purpose, using artful dodgers as couriers and financial sleight of hand. Often, he ended up with more money than he began, because of the way black funds have of growing when freed of legal restraints, and thanks to the violent death in war and revolution of so many of his depositors, leaving their inheritance to be spent as the Agency wished.

Thanks to the CIA's part in rescuing the regime of Generalissimo Chiang in 1949, Helliwell had access to its black resources. In 1949 Helliwell and a handful of other CIA agents salvaged Claire Chennault's Civil Air Transport (CAT) and other American and Chinese aircraft from the mainland, and transferred them by ship to Taiwan.

He spent the years immediately following Mao's victory reorganizing the U.S. line of defense around Red China. With war-surplus Victory ships and Liberty ships, and some of Chennault's planes, he set up Sea Supply Corporation and
Air America, using the Philippines and Thailand as staging bases for secret operations throughout Southeast Asia. As a means of harassing Red China rom the rear, and gathering intelligence, Sea Supply ferried materiel to hailand to support the KMT opium armies in Burma and the rebellious Champa tribesmen in eastern Tibet. CAT and Air America flew these supplies from hailand into the Golden Triangle poppy fields and across upper Burma to the Himalayas, and flew supplies from the Philippines for the beleaguered French Dienbienphu.

It was an expensive business. The KMT and the CIA paid off General Phao, the commander of the Thai police, who obligingly transshipped heroin from the opium armies down to Bangkok for export. They also paid the KMT's General Li Mi what it took to keep his army of ten thousand going, which Li Mi was not about to do with his share of the opium proceeds. All this took a lot of gold bullion, but Helliwell rose to the 0ccasion. He and other Agency financial experts in the field followed basic rules laid down by the original CIA director of covert operations, Frank Wisner. First get the rich people on your side, including the rich gangsters, then set up channels for black money so you can provide funds across borders to the people who need them to get the job done. Kim Philby said Wisner once told him, "It is essential to secure the overt cooperation of people with conspicuous access to wealth in their own right." The cooperation of rich people hid the transfer of black money.

On the other side of the world in Europe, a program similar to Helliwell's was set up by a Hungarian-born OSS officer, Nicolas Deak. Eventually, this matured into the legitimate money trader Deak & Company, a glossy firm with
fifty-nine international offices. Deak's services were used by the CIA's Kim Roosevelt to finance the 1953 coup against Mohammed Mossadeq in Iran, hich involved paying massive bribes to undermine Mossadeq in favor of the young Shah.

At the end of the Pacific War, most of the money in Asia was in the hands of relatively few people: those who had managed to hold onto what they had before the war, and those who had taken advantage of the war to help themselves to the wealth of others. Both groups contributed to Helliwell's operations for the same reason, dread of communism. Helliwell supported right-wing groups all over Asia by drawing on the coffers of the Chiangs, theK Korean generals, and the kuromaku of Japan, foremost among them Kodama.

Half of Kodama's personal wartime hoard of $200 million was turned over to the Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) in 1948, as part of the complex deal worked out between MacArthur and Chiang for Kodama's freedom and that of is powerful cellmates. The $100 million that the CIC got, shy of what it had to split with the generalissimo (perhaps fifty-fifty), became seed money and fertilizer for Helliwell's money tree. The CIC used Kodama first to pay off pro-American politicians in Japan, Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia. After ten years literally as an employee of G-2, Kodama was officially put on the CIA payroll in 1958. That same year, he became the Lockheed agent in Japan, receiving $6.3 million in bribes either from Lockheed or from the CIA through Lockheed during the years from 1966 to 1972. Kodama preferred cash, so Lockheed delivered it to him via Deak & Company couriers. The Lockheed affair climaxed in 1976 with the arrest of Prime Minister Tanaka for bribery, of which he was later convicted.

The Counter-Intelligence Corps and its successor agency, the CIA, naturally never revealed exactly how they spent the $100 million provided by Kodama, but a number of new anti-Communist organizations soon came into existence and established cells throughout the Far East. One of these was the religious
cult of the Moonies, founded by the South Korean Sun Myung Moon, with help
from the CIA and its South Korean stepchild, the KCIA. Another was the Asian Peoples' Anti-Communist League (APACL), founded by South Korea's Syngman Rhee, Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek, and the CIA. Kodama's old friend Sasakawa Ryiochi became the champion of the Moonies in Japan, and one of the prime movers behind the Japanese branch of APACL. In 1970, Sasakawa organized the World Anti-Communist League as the successor to APACL. According to one version, the Reverend Moon and Sasakawa jawboned with prominent Japanese rightists at one of Sasakawa's speedboat racing courses at the foot of Mount Fuji and laid their plans to spread the League worldwide. During its early years, WACL was widely reported to have been financed largely from Sasakawa's huge fortune.

Among other covert operations, Helliwell's black-money channels were used to underwrite Lansdale's anti-Huk campaign in the Philippines, the election of President Magsaysay, and subsequent Filipino political contests. From the Philippines, it was used to pay the Indonesians fighting Sukarno. When America became entangled in Vietnam, Helliwell's financial magic was used to keep the Saigon generals happy and to set up overseas accounts for Laotian princelings and druglords.

Glamorous as they were in cloak-and-dagger terms, the CIA operations in Tibet, Burma, and Indonesia were military failures and intelligence failures
as well, although many of the technical people-pilots and individual agents-performed heroic feats under hazardous conditions. They failed not for want of daring and ingenuity in the field, but because of bad judgment, questionable motives, and evasion of responsibility at policy levels in Washington. One of the KMT opium generals, General Lee, told me that his
troops got such a bad reception from villagers on the Chinese side of the border that they stopped making forays, and thereafter provided the CIA with
intelligence that was invented to suit the occasion.

Helliwell's financial methods, on the other hand, were seen as a great success, with application worldwide. What could not be achieved by killing people often could be done by buying allies and paying off enemies, something Asians and Europeans had learned to do centuries earlier. In 1960—following Castro's victory in Cuba the previous yearCIA covert operations director Richard Bissell brought Helliwell back from the Far East to set up a Western Hemisphere version of Sea Supply and Air America out of Miami called Southern Air Transport, and a new chain of black-money banks to pay for the Bay of Pigs operation that Bissell was planning.

Among Helliwell's creations were Castle Bank and Mercantile Bank & Trust in the Bahamas. One of his associates was Wallace Groves, who was involved with Ferdinand in the Benguet mines. Like Kodama, Groves was taken on as a IA adviser.

Helliwell thereby became the paymaster for the Bay of Pigs. He did not scraph his Asian networks, he just extended them around the world, his string of banks eventually stretching from Florida and the Bahamas to the Caymans, the Netherlands Antilles, Panama, Honolulu, Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney, Beirut, and Teheran. No one will ever know how much flight capital flowed through the murky streams between these banks. One by one, the banks collapsed in scandal, lasting only as long as they were needed, to be replaced somewhere else by their clones. One of these clones was the Nugan-Hand Bank, which became a pipeline for the Marcos gold deals.

Working for Paul Helliwell in China near the end of the Pacific War were two young intelligence officers, Ray Cline and John Singlaub, one a brilliant analyst, the other a paramilitary expert.

Singlaub was a legitimate American hero. As a young OSS agent, he parachuted behind German lines in France in 1944 to help the Resistance prepare for D-Day. According to legend, during the liberation of Singapore it was Singlaub who parachuted in to unlock the gates of Changi Prison. Near the end of the war, he was dropped into China to train KMT guerrillas, in the process developing an inflexible anti-Communist bond with the Chiang regime. When the Japanese surrendered, he was appointed chief of the U.S. military mission in Mukden, Manchuria, attempting from there to influence the outcome of the Chinese civil war. With Mao's victory, Singlaub succeeded Paul Helliwell as China desk officer for the CIA. As a paramilitary expert, he helped organize the Ranger Training Center at Fort Benning, Georgia, to prepare army commandos for CIA missions, and directed many of the agent drops in China, most of whom vanished without a trace. During the Korean War he became CIA deputy chief in South Korea, rising to the rank of general.

Understandably, Singlaub the centurion came to be regarded with awe by a whole generation of American military men and intelligence officers, many of whom shared his conservative views about the way things should be in Asia. Around him grew a following that developed into an infrastructure at the Pentagon and CIA.

When Singlaub took over the China desk from Paul Helliwell, one of his top agents was Ray Cline. After the Chiang regime fled to Taiwan, Cline became a key operative in Taipei because of his close friendship with the generalissimo's son and heir, Chiang Ching-kuo ("CCK"). They engaged in heroic all-night drinking bouts that became a legend in the Agency. Cline also was the conduit through which CIA funds flowed to set up the Asian People's Anti-Communist League (APACL) in Taiwan and South Korea in 1955-56, which soon had its own agents operating throughout the Far East. One of the chief fundraisers for Cline's creation was Kodama's fellow kuromaku Sasakawa.

At Sasakawa's initiative, the APACL eventually became the World Anti-Communist League, and was headed for many years by Chiang Kai-shek's henchman, Ku Cheng-kang.

Cline's drinking buddy, the generalissimo's son, rose to be security chief, defense minister, and ultimately president of Taiwan. From 1958 to 1962, Cline served as CIA station chief in Taipei, and had extraordinary influence.
Cline and CCK worked in harness to carry out black operations throughout Asia, including the struggle to dominate the overseas Chinese communities in the Philippines and Indonesia. Together they set up the Political Warfare Cadres Academy in Peitou, outside Taipei. An exceptionally clever and intelligent man, Cline went back to Washington at the end of 1962 to become the CIA's deputy director for intelligence worldwide. In this position he continued to work closely with Paul Helliwell, John Singlaub, and CCK, and
would have been kept well informed on Marcos gold deals by agents in Manila,
since these deals were an item of great interest.

The decision of President Eisenhower to begin planning an invasion of Cuba, and to explore options for assassinating Fidel Castro, led the CIA to strike a bargain with Mafia don Santo Trafficante, whose casinos and brothels in Havana had been closed down by Castro, and antiCastro operations became a joint venture with the Mafia. The Kennedys intensified the effort, bringing new players into the forefront of the CIA's covert action group. Two of this new generation were Theodore Shackley and Thomas Clines. For the next three decades, Clines and Shackley moved back and forth from Asia to the Caribbean leaving in their path all manner of invasions, military coups, political
assassinations, and what one member of The Enterprise boasted were "the biggest black-bag operations of all time."

Shackley and Clines were among those given the job of organizing the Bay of Pigs invasion. Its embarrassing failure cost Allen Dulles his job as head of the CIA and Richard Bissell his as director of covert operations. But Shackley and Clines were moved on to the next urgent task at hand: helping to arrange the assassination of Fidel Castro, his brother Raul, Che Guevara, and others in Operation Mongoose.

It was the decision of the Kennedy brothers to bring General Edward Lansdale back from Manila and Saigon to plan Operation Mongoose. They, like so many others, had allowed themselves to be convinced that Lansdale's Huk campaign and the election of Magsaysay had been an unqualified success. It took many months for the realization to sink in that Lansdale lived in a covert version of Disneyland. This became apparent within the Agency when word spread that the general was planning a triumphal victory parade through Havana: it would be accomplished by having a submarine surface one night off the Malecon to fire star shells into the sky, which Catholic Cubans would take to be the Second Coming.

On assuming the presidency, Lyndon Johnson turned his attention away from Cuba to Vietnam, and Shackley and Clines were sent off to apply their peculiar specialty in Indochina. Operation Mongoose was turned into Operation Phoenix, a monthly bounty hunt to destroy America's enemies at the village level by assassinating them. Phoenix resulted in the killing (often with silenced pistols in the middle of the night) of more than twenty thousand
Vietnamese, some said fifty thousand-mostly civilians-reaching an estimated
total of seventy-five thousand people throughout Indochina, including women
and children. The overall coordination of Phoenix was attributed -to William
Colby, but General John Singlaub ran the cutting edge in Vietnam (called SOG,
or Special Operations Group), while Shackley and Clines ran the parallel
program in Laos. The chief of secret air operations throughout was General
Heinie Aderholt, an amiable, immensely likeable technical wizard and old OSS
hand who earlier had run air operations in Indonesia and Tibet for Paul Helliwell. His deputy air -wing commander for Singlaub's SOG was air force
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Secord. It was in this way that many of the key
elements of The Enterprise first came together.

While Operation Phoenix failed -to have any decisive effect on the outcome of
the Indochina War, considerable success was being achieved simply by buying
the loyalty of military officers and politicians. Businessmen, drug merchants, and statesmen like Ferdinand Marcos gladly cooperated with the CIA in return for help in moving their hidden funds to overseas banks, where the Agency felt free to dip into them to achieve its own ends.

Because buying was demonstrably more effective than killing, Paul Helliwell's
black-money network bore down and gave birth to Nugan-Hand, with its head
office in Sydney and branches in Manila, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore,
Honolulu, and Washington, D.C. One of Nugan-Hand's covert associates
described the bank as a convenience provided "for people out of Southeast
Asia during the Vietnam War ... they needed to buy property and they needed
to buy gold and they needed to put their money on deposit and they couldn't
have it up in Thailand or Laos or Cambodia or Vietnam. . . . " (Or stuck in
bank vaults in the Philippines.)

Sprinkled through Nugan-Hand were a number of Ray Cline's and John Singlaub's closest associates in the military intelligence community: In Washington, Walter McDonald, the CIA's deputy director for economic research, arranged for former CIA director William Colby to become legal counsel to Nugan-Hand.

The Honolulu office was headed by retired General Edwin F. Black, for many years a top aide of CIA director Allen Dulles, a member of the NSC staff, and chief of the U.S. military in Thailand during the Vietnam War. The Washington branch was headed by retired Rear Admiral Earl P. Yates, former chief-of-staff for plans and policy of the U.S. Pacific Command, in charge of all strategic planning as far as the Arabian Gulf. The Manila branch was headed by General Leroy Manor, former special assistant to the joint Chiefs of Staff for counterinsurgency and covert operations, who was said to have retired from active duty to undertake secret missions, including negotiating the 1979 military base rental agreement in the Philippines. Manor spent seven months negotiating the base agreement, concluding with the payment to Ferdinand of $500 million. The general then immediately accepted the post as
head of the Manila branch of Nugan-Hand.Among the questions raised is whether it was entirely proper for General Manor, as chief negotiator of the $500 million base agreement, to head a bank doing business with President Marcos and his familyand in the process accept delivery of a duty-free Ferrari. What this revealed about Manor's own judgment is less important than what it revealed, about Washington's involvement with Ferdinand. The Pentagon said Manor had retired from active duty to undertake assignments too secret to discuss, including "special liaison" with President Marcos;Nugan-Hand's business in Manila was reported to include secret CIA airlifts of tons of black gold. Did "special liaison" mean shepherding Yamashita's Gold out through the Agency's black-money channels? Manor told a journalist that he was sent out to run the Manila office "to learn"—sent out by whom, to learn what? By the 1970s, this hard core of the CIA's covert action group was acquiring positions of exceptional leverage. In 1966, Ray Cline had left his post as the CIA's deputy director of intelligence after repeated clashes with the new CIA director, Admiral Raborn. Cline made a lateral move, becoming station chief in Frankfurt, West Germany, then landed on his feet when he returned to Washington to take over the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. In this position, he was in a much better slot to influence foreign policy.

General John Singlaub became a deputy assistant secretary of defense from 1971 to 1973, then commander-in-chief of all U.S. forces in South Korea.

Shackley and Clines became station chief and deputy respectively in Saigon during the bone-crushing period 1968-72, then directed Operation Phoenix rom CIA headquarters in Virginia from 1973 to 1975. As Saigon station chief, Shackley was a primary instrument for Henry Kissinger's grim initiatives throughout Indochina. The interruption in his tenure at Saigon in 1972 came
when he and Clines were brought back long enough to mastermind the violent
overthrow of Chile's popularly elected Marxist president, Salvador Allende,
during which Allende was murdered. By the time Watergate removed Nixon from the Oval Office, Shackley was the CIA's deputy director for operations, in charge of covert action worldwide.

The fall of Saigon shifted the focus of covert action to other capitals. Richard Secord went to Iran, where he commanded the U.S. military mission. In Washington, Shackley and Clines became as alarmed by the rise of Gough Whitlam and the Labor party in Australia as they had been by the election of
Salvador Allende in Chile. It is not unusual for CIA field officers to become overinvolved in local passions, but the Agency's senior executives are expected to remain aloof, serving only as instruments of the president. The
Agency's worst setbacks were experienced when its senior executives became
obsessed with particular missions, as when Bissell became relentless in his commitment to the Bay of Pigs invasion. Shackley now showed similar signs.
Men who worked with him said he was "paranoid" about Whitlam and his Labor
party, considering it to be under the control or influence of Communists.

For some time, the CIA had been running a variety of covert operations in Australia, involving Nugan-Hand and strange comings and goings at the big U.S. technical intelligence base called Pine Gap, near Alice Springs in the Outback. Many of these intrigues were carried on with the knowing collaboration of the Australian Security Intelligence Organization, ASIO, headed by Brigadier Sir Charles Spry, who had close personal ties to the CIA going back to Allen Dulles and the OSS. Colonel Secord, who had become Singlaub and Shackley's primary air operations man in Indochina, was identified with these Australian operations during the Vietnam War, and
apparently continued to serve as a link afterwards for the movement of black
money and weapons from the Philippines and Australia to Iran.

When he testified before Congress during the Iran-Contra hearings, it was Secord who said: "This is pipsqueak stuff. When I was in Southeast Asia, we
used to pay our people in cash and gold bullion. I've been involved in some
of the biggest black-bag operations of all time."

By moving Ferdinand's illicit gold out through Nugan-Hand, the Agency would be able to do financial favors for its wealthy friends in Australia, allowing them to collect fat commissions in offshore accounts or to provide them temporarily with the spot financing they might need to make a leveraged
hostile takeover. Those favors could then be called in whenever the Agency wished.

Many of the CIA's Australian initiatives were directed at keeping the Labor party out of office. When, despite them, Whitlam became Australia's new Prime minister, he began doing what any new chief of state would, moving to bring Canberra's intelligence service under his own control. As time passed Whitlam found alarming indications that the ASIO might actually be conspiring with the CIA to bring his government down, including leaking information designed to embarrass members of his cabinet in order to force their resignation. Whitlam began sacking people at ASIO that he felt were responsible, including some of the CIA's best friends Down Under.

>From Washington, Shackley counterattacked. He informed the ASIO's Sir Charles Spry that what Whitlam was doing was causing the CIA "grave concern," and unless something was done urgently the Agency would have to break off its "mutually beneficial relationships" with the ASIO. Apparently Shackley also appealed to M16 in London to do something urgently. Three days later the Australian governorgeneral, a largely ceremonial post appointed by the queen, exercised an obscure point of law that had never before seen the light of day and removed Whitlam from office. Since then, there have been questions raised in the House of Commons about whether M16 might have been responsible.

The downfall of Gough Whitlam endeared the CIA to a whole generation of Australian tycoons horrified by what the British Labour party had done to their counterparts in England, and who felt that their own liberties were jeopardized by Whitlam's rise. For that reason alone, the Agency enjoyed unprecedented freedom to operate in and through Australia from 1975 to 1982.

Nugan-Hand with headquarters in Sydney became a black hole for hot money from all over Asia. During the fall of Saigon, a member of the secret team told
me, "On separate occasions, I was offered one million dollars in cash by individual businessmen, mostly Chinese, to fly them and their families out to
the Philippines or Central America. One association of Chinese businessmen
offered me $100 million (a million per head) to get them all out at once to
Costa Rica. I'm sorry I didn't do it. I could have done it easily, but I just didn't have any time. They must have gone elsewhere."

For the next decade Iran provided a useful laundering facility and opportunities for the sort of arms deals that secret agents like to engineer on the side. These included the resale of weapons stockpiles left over in Thailand. So while Marcos gold and Chinese flight capital moved through
Australia to Teheran and Beirut, some of the proceeds helped grease the way
for new business arrangements. Nugan-Hand served as an intermediary in the
sale of at least one spy ship to the Shah of Iran. In Teheran Richard Secord
was the chief Pentagon representative in these deals. Everything was sold-from jet fighters and radartransparent patrol boats (made of carbon fiber and exotic plastics) to espionage equipment, AWACS spy planes, and missile systems. Clines established a company called the Egyptian-American
Transport and Services Corporation (EATSCO), and began looking for other
outlets for weapons.

Ferdinand's role in many of these CIA weapons deals was to provide false end-user certificates in order to mask the real destination. The procedure was simple. As the world's largest weapons dealer, when America sold armaments to another country, Congress required guarantees that the weapons would not be resold to a third country without authorization. This guarantee was provided in the form of certificates that specified exactly to whom the weapons were going. The certificates had to be approved individually by the State Department and the Pentagon. Fabian Ver, as chief of staff of the Philippine armed forces, signed end-user certificates stating, for example, that the weapons were being resold by Israel to the Philippines. That was enough to satisfy Congress and the Pentagon, who knew that anything involving the Philippines would be hopeless to trace. Instead, the weapons would go to countries that were blacklisted.

For reasons of their own, members of the secret team were showing increasing signs of operating independently of the CIA establishment. Some of this was inevitable, due to the multiplication of CIA proprietaries, bogus banks, and laundering operations.

That came to an abrupt halt when Jimmy Carter became president, decided to
clean house, and immediately ran head-on into this rightwing cabal.

One of Carter's cost-cutting moves was a decision to reduce the size of
American forces in South Korea. This was an unpardonable error of judgment from the point of view of General Singlaub, who had spent the better part of his life building up the Korean generals as a solid rock of anti-communism in the Far East, a praetorian guard. As chief-of-staff of the United Nations command in Seoul, Singlaub publicly denounced the decision of his commander-in-chief. President Carter immediately fired him, and Singlaub was
forced to resign from the army.

Carter also had his new CIA director' Admiral Stansfield Turner, sack Shackley and Clines. EATSCO, the arms broker set up by Thomas Clines, later pleaded guilty to defrauding the U.S. government of some $8 million by overbilling customers. Richard Secord, who had risen to major general and deputy assistant secretary of defense for Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia, eventually was embarrassed by the disclosures of the EATSCO affair, and retired from the air force after being accused by the justice Department of illegally using his Pentagon post to intercede for Clines's company.

To add to their woes, the overthrow of the Shah canceled Iran as a place of remuneration for covert CIA agents. As part of his campaign for human rights,
Carter also invoked the Harkin Amendment to cut off U.S. military aid to dictator Anastasio Somoza, which put a kink in the CIA hose leading to Central America.

While the Shah was still in power, Nugan-Hand was said to have laundered "billions" for him. After his expulsion, the bank set to work moving the Shah's assets to safer places. Soon afterward, Frank Nugan's body was found outside Sydney slumped behind the wheel of his Mercedes, a bullet hole in his head and a rifle beside him. His partner Michael Hand (long identified with the CIA) vanished off the face of the earth. Nugan-Hand Bank collapsed in scandal, and all its generals and admirals sought employment elsewhere.

For a moment it seemed as though the warlocks had been put to flight. But they had only been driven underground. In a series of stunning reversals, President Carter was embarrassed by a parade of misfortunes, including the humiliating failure of his attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran—a military fiasco that seemed to have been produced by Mack Sennett, directed
by Harold Lloyd, and carried out by the Keystone Cops.

That there was a systematic campaign to unhorse President Carter has never been in doubt, although its dimensions remain unmeasured. Ferdinand Marcos
must have been pleased with Carter's defeat and the election of Ronald Reagan, because it brought on a new era of U.S.Philippine relations.

After Reagan's election and the appointment of his friend William Casey as the new director of the CIA, the old secret team of Singlaub, Shackley, and the others was reorganized into a privately funded, seemingly random group of
civilian consultancies, but with interlocking membership. The Enterprise became a shadow CIA, modeled on England's Special Operations Executive in
World War 11, an elite group that was the despair of the regular Secret
Intelligence Service. When an initiative could not be undertaken by Casey's
CIA for reasons of political sensitivity, the private consultants were
brought in.

Secord described how this came about: "One of the problems with the CIA is
that they don't have experienced people running the show. You have shoe clerks running the railroad. The Carter Administration eviscerated the CIA;
it was just wrecked, and the Clandestine branch, which was very small, was
finished. I think Casey was trying to do a good job, but he was too old to
really be effective." Secord and The Enterprise stepped into the breach.

As a civilian, John Singlaub became more active than ever in rightwing causes and anti-Communist movements. Under Reagan he regained the influence he had lost under Carter. He served as chairman of the World Anti-Communist league, and headed its American chapter, the Council for World Freedom. In 1981 he attended a WACL meeting in Taipei, where he was reported to have been given nearly $20,000 by Ray Cline's old friend, President Chiang Ching-kuo, to set up the American chapter. Lieutenant General Daniel 0. Graham, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, became its vicechairman.

The League's rosters included U.S. congressmen and senators, British members of Parliament, Nazi collaborators, notorious terrorists, death squad leaders from Latin America, assorted right-wing strongmen, and underworld figures. Among its Asian sponsors were the Chiangs, Park Chung Hee, Sasakawa Ryiochi, Kodama Yoshio, and the Reverend Moon. During his twenty years of dictatorship, President Marcos regularly attended WACL annual meetings, as did Ray Cline, John Singlaub, Kodama, and Sasakawa.

Under pressure from the Reagan White House in 1982, Singlaub's U.S. chapter
of the League was granted tax-exempt status by the IRS. Ronald Reagan himself regularly sent messages to WACL conferences, asserting that "Our combined efforts are moving the tide of history toward world freedom."

Many of the organizations lobbying for conservative causes in Washington, such as the Conservative Caucus, had interlocking directorships with WACL.
Tracing the interlocks could lead to interesting discoveries. For example,
Western Goals, established to keep track of subversives in America, was
headed by Singlaub's friend Congressman Larry McDonald, whose financial
backers included Nelson Bunker Hunt, who had tried to corner the silver
market. McDonald was also head of the John Birch Society when Bob Curtis said it had offered to launder over $20 billion in Yamashita's Gold. It may be
only coincidence that the biggest corporation in McDonald's constituency in
Georgia was Lockheed, which had paid millions to Japanese officials through
Kodama, the man most responsible for gathering Yamashita's Gold and hiding it
in the Philippines. Congressman McDonald was one of the passengers aboard
Korean Air Lines flight 007 shot down when it intruded into Soviet airspace
in 1983.

Singlaub exerted direct personal influence within the National Security Council through the military staff of generals and colonels in the Executive Office Building. When he was not in Washington his contact with the NSC was carried out for him by the Washington-based conservative lobbyist, Andrew Messing. Singlaub's access to the NSC came in part through his close friendship with Major General Robert L. Schweitzer, formerly with the Pentagon's Strategy, Plans and Policy Office, and through General John W.
Vessey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Schweitzer also was chairman
of the Inter-American Defense Board, responsible for Nicaragua, El Salvador,
and Honduras. In 1986, just as the Iran-Contra scandal was breaking, Schweitzer retired and joined Singlaub and The Enterprise in the civilian
world, taking a post as adviser with Singlaub in a Washington consulting firm
called GeoMiliTech Corporation. Similarly, when Ted Shackley had retired
under pressure from the CIA, he had joined a consulting firm in Houston
started by Thomas Clines.

In these new positions, they became especially useful to President Reagan
when Congress passed the Boland Amendment, ordering the White House and the CIA to cease paying the Contras to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista
government. To get around the Boland Amendment, the NSC's Lieutenant Colonel North struck a deal with the CIA's Casey to bring in Secord, Hakim, Shackley, and Clines-and later their associates Singlaub, Aderholt, and Schweitzer-to run guns to the Contras privately, once again turning to Ferdinand Marcos for the false end-user certificates. The whole secret team network had again come full circle, back to Manila.

By this point Ferdinand had been supplying these fake certificates to the CIA for more than a decade. This was no small deceit. More than $8 million in
weapons was involved in a single shipment, totalling $100 million in 1983 alone. A Filipino arms dealer associated with General Ver received a 5 percent commission on the proceeds of these sales; so, in that year, the dealer who was handling just the paperwork in Manila made $5 million. It is a tribute to the ingenuity of Fabian Ver that he was not content merely to sign the certificates. He went one step further and billed his own army for the cost of the shipments, then pocketed the money. Documents show that Ver, in collaboration with Israeli generals and U.S. businessmen, charged the Philippine armed forces hundreds of millions of dollars for armaments that
never arrived.*[*Apparently he was still at it in 1986, long after escaping
to his villa in the United States. In October 1986, a cargo vessel was seized
off Negros by Philippine customs officials carrying war materials bound for
Iran. The shipment, traced to Ver, was stopping at a private pier owned
jointly by Geronimo Velasco (a business associate of Ferdinand Marcos and
Harry Stonehill) and Juan Ponce Enrile. Enrile retorted that he knew nothing
about the weapons, and they were doubtless being sent to the Communist
guerrillas of the New People's Army.]

In November 1984, Ted Shackley was said to have been contacted by former
members of the Shah's SAVAK now working for the Ayatollah Khomeini, and
informed that President Reagan could regain Iran by supporting moderates in
the regime with secret arms shipments.

The key figures in this latest intrigue turned out to be Iranian arms merchant Manucher Ghorbanifar and the CIA's old friend Adnan Khashoggi, Ferdinand's pal and Imelda's disco partner, fellow Lockheed agent and business associate of Kodama. In this manner, they suggested that Reagan could ransom American hostages being held by Palestinians backed by the Ayatollah. Shackley reportedly passed this suggestion on to Colonel North, and the Iran side of the Iran-Contra conspiracy was set into motion.

At Colonel North's urging, The Enterprise engineered both the Iranian and the Contra arms deals through a number of private fronts, buying American equipment cheap, selling it dear, and salting the difference in Swiss accounts—$6 million in one alone. For his part, John Singlaub was asked by North to solicit funds from foreign countries, and was believed to have done so from South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines. Singlaub also brokered a $5.3 million arms deal for the Contras, including thousands of AK-47 assault rifles, apparently obtained cheap from his old adversary the People's Republic.

When the Iran-Contra mess burst like a boil in 1986, Singlaub and his friends
were already busy elsewhere, armed with picks and shovels, taking up where
Ferdinand Marcos had left off in the hunt for what was left of Yamashita's
Gold.

pp.360-376
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^ I need a paracetamol...

^ I need a paracetamol...

very interesting Lili. thanks.

very interesting Lili. thanks.

Pardon the lengthy and quite messy posting. I was trying to align the paragraphs and just sift pertinent information but I just don't have the time. That is not my opinion. It's just something to browse and ponder on.

Pardon the lengthy and quite messy posting. I was trying to align the paragraphs and just sift pertinent information but I just don't have the time. That is not my opinion. It's just something to browse and ponder on.

^ but it's anice conspiracy theory,... I've been wondering why hollywood producers have not made a movie on the marcoses yet??

^ but it's anice conspiracy theory,... I've been wondering why hollywood producers have not made a movie on the marcoses yet??

interesting reading. There's a reference to Harry Stonehill who is quite a controversial figure in Philippine affairs. He was deported from the Philippines I believe in the sixties but before then was one of the most powerful men in country, certainly the most powerful American. Some say that had he been allowed to stay in the the business climate would have been different than it is now.

interesting reading. There's a reference to Harry Stonehill who is quite a controversial figure in Philippine affairs. He was deported from the Philippines I believe in the sixties but before then was one of the most powerful men in country, certainly the most powerful American. Some say that had he been allowed to stay in the the business climate would have been different than it is now.

^ blame it on carlos p. garcia's filipino first policy...

^ blame it on carlos p. garcia's filipino first policy...

^ but it's anice conspiracy theory,... I've been wondering why hollywood producers have not made a movie on the marcoses yet??


There was a movie produced by HBO and Australian Broadcasting, "A Dangerous Life" about the Marcos and the peoples power revolution. A (3) part series I believe. Imelda was played by Tessie Tomas.

^ but it's anice conspiracy theory,... I've been wondering why hollywood producers have not made a movie on the marcoses yet??


There was a movie produced by HBO and Australian Broadcasting, "A Dangerous Life" about the Marcos and the peoples power revolution. A (3) part series I believe. Imelda was played by Tessie Tomas.

^ no surprise, Tessie tomas has been playing since as far back as I can remember... but what I'm talking about is a big time hollywood production or maybe a broadway musical.... :colgate:

^ no surprise, Tessie tomas has been playing since as far back as I can remember... but what I'm talking about is a big time hollywood production or maybe a broadway musical.... :colgate:

Thank you all for your responses! (esp. lili for her all the info that she's helped out with)

I've actually read the Seagraves' book on Marcos. Very informative and interesting... but alot of times I was left wondering how much of what he wrote were factual, how much were false accusations, how much was skewed / incorrect info, etc.,.

i.e. Yamashita's Gold... the dollar figures mentioned in that segment just left my mouth dropped and head shaking (i later did a google search on it, and alot of the search results came up with books / articles from Seagraves as well... if it was such an exorbitant amount, why hasn't there been more research done on this?). Apparently alot of Ferdinand's ill-gotten wealth came from that, but a more realistic answer would be that the Marcoses just used that story as an explanation for all the wealth they have accumulated from plundering the Philippines.


Also, alot of countries have succeeded economically even with rampant corruption plaguing them... not that it's any excuse to allow it. But, what went wrong with us?

Thank you all for your responses! (esp. lili for her all the info that she's helped out with)

I've actually read the Seagraves' book on Marcos. Very informative and interesting... but alot of times I was left wondering how much of what he wrote were factual, how much were false accusations, how much was skewed / incorrect info, etc.,.

i.e. Yamashita's Gold... the dollar figures mentioned in that segment just left my mouth dropped and head shaking (i later did a google search on it, and alot of the search results came up with books / articles from Seagraves as well... if it was such an exorbitant amount, why hasn't there been more research done on this?). Apparently alot of Ferdinand's ill-gotten wealth came from that, but a more realistic answer would be that the Marcoses just used that story as an explanation for all the wealth they have accumulated from plundering the Philippines.


Also, alot of countries have succeeded economically even with rampant corruption plaguing them... not that it's any excuse to allow it. But, what went wrong with us?

I actually noticed one thing comparing the pics that Sugarboy posted here and the 1960s pic in the Then and now thread: yes the streets looked clean and tranquil BUT the buildings had started deteriorating. A sign that the RP started its long decline after Sept 21 1972....

No, I think the decline started even before that, what with all the violent student demnstrations starting in 1969. Man, private armies were rampant, political assasinations were nothing new, and yes, communist propaganda was the in thing. I had a teacher in La Salle of all places, walking around with Mao's red book.

The buildings looked deterioted partly because of all the riots that were staged around the downtown/mendiola area. At ten years old, I already knew how to make molotov cocktails and pillboxes. Not because I participated or believed in the cause (whatever it was), but as a 10 yr. old, when you see that everyday in the news, parang bagong uso. Hey, I don't have to wait till New Year's to get paputok. we can just make our own. So anyway, a lot of these buildings did sustain some damage as a result of stray pillboxes, rocks, and most of all bullets.

Drugs were also a big problem before Martial Law. Five kids from grade seven, imagine, were caught smoking marijuana and got expelled. That's just from one school. La Salle pa. Today that sounds like no big deal with all the shabu and what have you, but back then? 12 year olds smoking pot? That was a sign of serious social problems. My older cousin's classmate died of heroin ovedose. My older brother's classmate's brother (whew!) also OD'd. This was in 1970.

I actually noticed one thing comparing the pics that Sugarboy posted here and the 1960s pic in the Then and now thread: yes the streets looked clean and tranquil BUT the buildings had started deteriorating. A sign that the RP started its long decline after Sept 21 1972....

No, I think the decline started even before that, what with all the violent student demnstrations starting in 1969. Man, private armies were rampant, political assasinations were nothing new, and yes, communist propaganda was the in thing. I had a teacher in La Salle of all places, walking around with Mao's red book.

The buildings looked deterioted partly because of all the riots that were staged around the downtown/mendiola area. At ten years old, I already knew how to make molotov cocktails and pillboxes. Not because I participated or believed in the cause (whatever it was), but as a 10 yr. old, when you see that everyday in the news, parang bagong uso. Hey, I don't have to wait till New Year's to get paputok. we can just make our own. So anyway, a lot of these buildings did sustain some damage as a result of stray pillboxes, rocks, and most of all bullets.

Drugs were also a big problem before Martial Law. Five kids from grade seven, imagine, were caught smoking marijuana and got expelled. That's just from one school. La Salle pa. Today that sounds like no big deal with all the shabu and what have you, but back then? 12 year olds smoking pot? That was a sign of serious social problems. My older cousin's classmate died of heroin ovedose. My older brother's classmate's brother (whew!) also OD'd. This was in 1970.

Old bills and coins (pre-war up to Marcos regime) can be bought at the stalls of Sta. Cruz building in front on Sta. Cruz Church. They're selling the bills (pre-war) for as low as P40 I think. I bought the commonwealth bills (two for P100). The price of coins range from P10 to P50.

Old bills and coins (pre-war up to Marcos regime) can be bought at the stalls of Sta. Cruz building in front on Sta. Cruz Church. They're selling the bills (pre-war) for as low as P40 I think. I bought the commonwealth bills (two for P100). The price of coins range from P10 to P50.

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif

The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif

The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif

Here are some more photo comparisons using the wonderful 1960s images that Wonderboy came across. Thanks!

Noontime at the intersection of Escolta and Plaza Goiti. Sometime in the 60s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-60.gif

Same spot today. The palm trees have grown and obscures much of Plaza Sta. Cruz. Notice that the lamp hanging from the cables atop the intersection still survives..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-05.gif

Here are some more photo comparisons using the wonderful 1960s images that Wonderboy came across. Thanks!

Noontime at the intersection of Escolta and Plaza Goiti. Sometime in the 60s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-60.gif

Same spot today. The palm trees have grown and obscures much of Plaza Sta. Cruz. Notice that the lamp hanging from the cables atop the intersection still survives..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-05.gif

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif

^ I took pills at 17,... well I guess I was a late bloomer...

^ I took pills at 17,... well I guess I was a late bloomer...

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

whoa!!! too young...

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

whoa!!! too young...

^ it kinda looked like new york in the 60's

^ it kinda looked like new york in the 60's

wow! you did it again TCR.. thanks for the now photos!!!

wow! you did it again TCR.. thanks for the now photos!!!

lol.. didn't have my first pot until i was 17 or 18 i think..

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

lol.. didn't have my first pot until i was 17 or 18 i think..

i started smoking pot at 12. actually just a month before i turned 13.

Pardon the lengthy and quite messy posting. I was trying to align the paragraphs and just sift pertinent information but I just don't have the time. That is not my opinion. It's just something to browse and ponder on.

That's very illuminating Lili - thanks. It is also said that Magsaysay was CIA sponsored. Are there similar books supporting this theory?

Pardon the lengthy and quite messy posting. I was trying to align the paragraphs and just sift pertinent information but I just don't have the time. That is not my opinion. It's just something to browse and ponder on.

That's very illuminating Lili - thanks. It is also said that Magsaysay was CIA sponsored. Are there similar books supporting this theory?

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/6093519982005_175713982005fr000925l.jpg

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/3124120982005_443515982005fr000935l.jpg

Manila 'downtown.' Sorry guys, that's the only caption I got but I believe these photos were taken somewhere in Manila Chinatown.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/6093519982005_175713982005fr000925l.jpg

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/3124120982005_443515982005fr000935l.jpg

Manila 'downtown.' Sorry guys, that's the only caption I got but I believe these photos were taken somewhere in Manila Chinatown.

parang mas maganda ang calesa noon, mas may dating kesa sa painted caruaje ngayon na red. saka kagalang galang ng cochero noon, naka barong hehe

parang mas maganda ang calesa noon, mas may dating kesa sa painted caruaje ngayon na red. saka kagalang galang ng cochero noon, naka barong hehe

Boy, these bring back a lot of memories!

yah! I still have those kind of coins! tons of it! my brother used to collect old coins hoping that someday there will be a great value for it... :D

Boy, these bring back a lot of memories!

yah! I still have those kind of coins! tons of it! my brother used to collect old coins hoping that someday there will be a great value for it... :D

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif

The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif


theres really a big difference between the two pictures... I like the first one ... obviously!

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif

The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif


theres really a big difference between the two pictures... I like the first one ... obviously!

parang mas maganda ang calesa noon, mas may dating kesa sa painted caruaje ngayon na red. saka kagalang galang ng cochero noon, naka barong hehe

there are still "kalesas" near divisoria and somewhere around SM manila, they painted their caruaje with colorful ones and decorate it some "pasabit" (same thing you see on jeepneys)... and I think their horses are smaller than I saw on those pictures.

or baka kulang lang sa vitamins... (SING: not enough vitamins, kulang sa buhay...) :D

parang mas maganda ang calesa noon, mas may dating kesa sa painted caruaje ngayon na red. saka kagalang galang ng cochero noon, naka barong hehe

there are still "kalesas" near divisoria and somewhere around SM manila, they painted their caruaje with colorful ones and decorate it some "pasabit" (same thing you see on jeepneys)... and I think their horses are smaller than I saw on those pictures.

or baka kulang lang sa vitamins... (SING: not enough vitamins, kulang sa buhay...) :D

Happy na naman ako! I enjoyed those wonderful comparison shots by TheCameraReturns and vintage photos of Wonderboy. :)

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif
The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif
This one makes me sad though. What have they done to our streets and rivers? Will we ever recapture its beauty?
Here are some more photo comparisons using the wonderful 1960s images that Wonderboy came across. Thanks!

Noontime at the intersection of Escolta and Plaza Goiti. Sometime in the 60s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-60.gif

Same spot today. The palm trees have grown and obscures much of Plaza Sta. Cruz. Notice that the lamp hanging from the cables atop the intersection still survives..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-05.gif

My, the palm trees have indeed grown. I like the look of the 50s car in the first picture. You have captured our favorite chicharon balat ng kalabaw/balot vendor. Thank you!

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif
When did they build the Fil-Chinese Welcome Arch? In the 70s?

I posted the Bagong Lipunan piso coin the the Philippines 1973 thread. It's the last post on the thread. They're going to spin it off.
Here's a 50 centavo, circa 1945. I brought all these in my little shoebox of butingtings when I let Manila.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9102/50cent1945ii7wm.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4421/50cent19450ue.jpg

Kuya Beng, that is the coin I was referring to with the lady in front of Mt. Mayon. I remember it had the same look as the 10 centavo coins before the Rizal diyes/diez.

I remember seeing some of those coins above in my grandfathers house. I think it was in my aunt's "alcancia" (piggy bank in spanish/visayan) in which she collected. I don't know what happened to it. Siguro binigay everytime meron mag-carolling... :2cents:

Haha, Animo. Sayang, naubos na ang vintage coins niyo. Natatandaan ko dinudukot ko yung pera sa alcancia ng lola ko para bumili ng chiz curls. Hindi ko alam US old coins pala yun. Pareho kasi ang hitsura sa harap nung diyes na US issued and diyes. Napagalitan na naman ako.

Happy na naman ako! I enjoyed those wonderful comparison shots by TheCameraReturns and vintage photos of Wonderboy. :)

I've managed to take a few comparison photos..

Escolta Bridge and canal, about early 1900s? The next bridge would be Dasmarinas Street, and after that, the Tetuan Street quayside.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge1-1900.gif
The present 2005. The building on the left is the Regina Bldg., and on the right, The Perez-Samanilla Bldg.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webescoltabridge05.gif
This one makes me sad though. What have they done to our streets and rivers? Will we ever recapture its beauty?
Here are some more photo comparisons using the wonderful 1960s images that Wonderboy came across. Thanks!

Noontime at the intersection of Escolta and Plaza Goiti. Sometime in the 60s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-60.gif

Same spot today. The palm trees have grown and obscures much of Plaza Sta. Cruz. Notice that the lamp hanging from the cables atop the intersection still survives..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webcruzch1-05.gif

My, the palm trees have indeed grown. I like the look of the 50s car in the first picture. You have captured our favorite chicharon balat ng kalabaw/balot vendor. Thank you!

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif
When did they build the Fil-Chinese Welcome Arch? In the 70s?

I posted the Bagong Lipunan piso coin the the Philippines 1973 thread. It's the last post on the thread. They're going to spin it off.
Here's a 50 centavo, circa 1945. I brought all these in my little shoebox of butingtings when I let Manila.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9102/50cent1945ii7wm.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4421/50cent19450ue.jpg

Kuya Beng, that is the coin I was referring to with the lady in front of Mt. Mayon. I remember it had the same look as the 10 centavo coins before the Rizal diyes/diez.

I remember seeing some of those coins above in my grandfathers house. I think it was in my aunt's "alcancia" (piggy bank in spanish/visayan) in which she collected. I don't know what happened to it. Siguro binigay everytime meron mag-carolling... :2cents:

Haha, Animo. Sayang, naubos na ang vintage coins niyo. Natatandaan ko dinudukot ko yung pera sa alcancia ng lola ko para bumili ng chiz curls. Hindi ko alam US old coins pala yun. Pareho kasi ang hitsura sa harap nung diyes na US issued and diyes. Napagalitan na naman ako.

Thanks for more nostalgic pics, Wonderboy--and TheCameraReturns strikes again, making special journeys to Escolta and bearing with the smell of esteros to get us a photo record.

Thanks for more nostalgic pics, Wonderboy--and TheCameraReturns strikes again, making special journeys to Escolta and bearing with the smell of esteros to get us a photo record.