Lili, the Filipino-Chinese welcome arch was built during the 70's by Imelda Marcos. A Chinese friend told me that Manila Chinatown didn't have a marker for a couple of decades and was still distinguished as 'Chinatown.' Putting up a marker wouldn't make any difference. It's just a clutter.

Any violent reactions? :)

Lili, the Filipino-Chinese welcome arch was built during the 70's by Imelda Marcos. A Chinese friend told me that Manila Chinatown didn't have a marker for a couple of decades and was still distinguished as 'Chinatown.' Putting up a marker wouldn't make any difference. It's just a clutter.

Any violent reactions? :)

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta

By the way, I'm glad that most of you appreciates the vintage photos that I've been posting these past few weeks. Here's hoping that I could find more in the coming days.

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta

By the way, I'm glad that most of you appreciates the vintage photos that I've been posting these past few weeks. Here's hoping that I could find more in the coming days.

^^ I would like to ride one of those carruaje in the middle (I wish), it would look so vintage with matching old attires. Haha!

^^ I would like to ride one of those carruaje in the middle (I wish), it would look so vintage with matching old attires. Haha!

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta



oh yea it looked better than in the 1960's-70's fotos.
this is the real golden age of Manila incl. Escolta. it doesnt even look Asian nor American.

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta



oh yea it looked better than in the 1960's-70's fotos.
this is the real golden age of Manila incl. Escolta. it doesnt even look Asian nor American.

Any pics of present-day Escolta, for comparison?

Any pics of present-day Escolta, for comparison?

Yo yo wassup.

Check this out. http://celdrantours.blogspot.com/2005/12/questions-questions-questions.html

They're asking question about the star of david in Fort Santiago. Is jeffery Yap one of our own? Coincidence?

Yo yo wassup.

Check this out. http://celdrantours.blogspot.com/2005/12/questions-questions-questions.html

They're asking question about the star of david in Fort Santiago. Is jeffery Yap one of our own? Coincidence?

very nice images...thanks guys!

very nice images...thanks guys!

everybody looked so well dressedand well groomed in the sixties. parang ang gaganda at ang popogi lahat ng tao

everybody looked so well dressedand well groomed in the sixties. parang ang gaganda at ang popogi lahat ng tao

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif

If I'm not mistaken, in the above photo, the building on the left side, across from the Philtrust Bank building is the same one as the building in the 'then' photo. It was designed by a national artist. However, it has since been reclad into a bland modernist building.

Plaza Moraga at the foot of Jones Bridge in the 1960s.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-60.gif

Same spot. Traffic jam as always. November 2005. None of the establishments from the old photograph seem to have survived the years.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/Circa1900/webmoraga1-05.gif

If I'm not mistaken, in the above photo, the building on the left side, across from the Philtrust Bank building is the same one as the building in the 'then' photo. It was designed by a national artist. However, it has since been reclad into a bland modernist building.

theres really a big difference between the two pictures... I like the first one ... obviously!

The second picture below looks cleaner now probably compared before (80's and 90's) though. Things are getting better in Manila. :)

theres really a big difference between the two pictures... I like the first one ... obviously!

The second picture below looks cleaner now probably compared before (80's and 90's) though. Things are getting better in Manila. :)

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta

By the way, I'm glad that most of you appreciates the vintage photos that I've been posting these past few weeks. Here's hoping that I could find more in the coming days.

It looks like New Orleans.

http://content.lib.washington.edu/ic/image/70.jpg
1911 Escolta

By the way, I'm glad that most of you appreciates the vintage photos that I've been posting these past few weeks. Here's hoping that I could find more in the coming days.

It looks like New Orleans.

Who's the richest of em all?

Blake Carrington
Alexis Colby
Angela Channing
JR Ewing

:D

Who's the richest of em all?

Blake Carrington
Alexis Colby
Angela Channing
JR Ewing

:D

^^ The Six Million Dollar Man (at that time)

^^ The Six Million Dollar Man (at that time)

It looks like New Orleans.


Yes it does, or even Havana.

It looks like New Orleans.


Yes it does, or even Havana.

drugs are not cool

drugs are not cool

Yo yo wassup.

Check this out. http://celdrantours.blogspot.com/2005/12/questions-questions-questions.html

They're asking question about the star of david in Fort Santiago. Is jeffery Yap one of our own? Coincidence?

That's me boybaha. :) I sent Carlos an e-mail.

Yo yo wassup.

Check this out. http://celdrantours.blogspot.com/2005/12/questions-questions-questions.html

They're asking question about the star of david in Fort Santiago. Is jeffery Yap one of our own? Coincidence?

That's me boybaha. :) I sent Carlos an e-mail.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/6093519982005_175713982005fr000925l.jpg

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/3124120982005_443515982005fr000935l.jpg

Manila 'downtown.' Sorry guys, that's the only caption I got but I believe these photos were taken somewhere in Manila Chinatown.

I think the U of Wisconsin-Milwaukee collection has erred on their documentation of these two pics; they dated them to the 1960s, but their details serve as have evidence to show that they're even older. In fact, I'd venture into saying they're pre-World War II, rare color stills! In the first one, look at the old 1930s model black car, and further in the background against the skyline is the old BBB (Balintawak Brewery) that was commandeered by Nippon during the occupation. In the second one with the calesas, there's the traffic cop wearing the old sun helmet uniform of the Commonmwealth Constabulary. In both, the women's attire point to the later 1930s...the young ladies with the braids were said to denote unmarried status back in the day in some Tagalog regions. Just my thoughts.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/6093519982005_175713982005fr000925l.jpg

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/3124120982005_443515982005fr000935l.jpg

Manila 'downtown.' Sorry guys, that's the only caption I got but I believe these photos were taken somewhere in Manila Chinatown.

I think the U of Wisconsin-Milwaukee collection has erred on their documentation of these two pics; they dated them to the 1960s, but their details serve as have evidence to show that they're even older. In fact, I'd venture into saying they're pre-World War II, rare color stills! In the first one, look at the old 1930s model black car, and further in the background against the skyline is the old BBB (Balintawak Brewery) that was commandeered by Nippon during the occupation. In the second one with the calesas, there's the traffic cop wearing the old sun helmet uniform of the Commonmwealth Constabulary. In both, the women's attire point to the later 1930s...the young ladies with the braids were said to denote unmarried status back in the day in some Tagalog regions. Just my thoughts.

Three more details pointing to prewar (pistaym) Manila:
in the calesa pic, there's the O'Racca confectioners in the background that was known for canned biscuits, and then in both pics, the calesas still had real, brass lanterns! Talk about gintong alaala times for Manila...and lastly, in the pic with Osaka Bazar (another prewar small business establishment), mamang cochero ay nakasuot ng camisa chino pa!

Three more details pointing to prewar (pistaym) Manila:
in the calesa pic, there's the O'Racca confectioners in the background that was known for canned biscuits, and then in both pics, the calesas still had real, brass lanterns! Talk about gintong alaala times for Manila...and lastly, in the pic with Osaka Bazar (another prewar small business establishment), mamang cochero ay nakasuot ng camisa chino pa!

Very interesting observation Hawayano. :) You're right, a handful of evidences will prove that the photos might have been taken sometime in the 30s.

Very interesting observation Hawayano. :) You're right, a handful of evidences will prove that the photos might have been taken sometime in the 30s.

http://www.aenet.org/photos/bahay04m.jpg
hmm...parang old house ng lopez sa balayan ito. similar.

http://www.aenet.org/photos/bahay04m.jpg
hmm...parang old house ng lopez sa balayan ito. similar.

hmm...parang old house ng lopez sa balayan ito. similar.

Actually its from . Albuquerque, Bohol Island. :D

hmm...parang old house ng lopez sa balayan ito. similar.

Actually its from . Albuquerque, Bohol Island. :D

drugs are not cool

i agree. i had a drug-related accident at age 16 and quit by then.

drugs are not cool

i agree. i had a drug-related accident at age 16 and quit by then.

Who's the richest of em all?

Blake Carrington
Alexis Colby
Angela Channing
JR Ewing

:D

JR Ewing.


On a personal note, I like Angela Channing. She'd perfectly fit in this day and age because of her feisty character.

I think when Lili moves on in age and stature, she can perfectly blend into an Angela Channing of sorts. :) Hula ko lang yun.

Who's the richest of em all?

Blake Carrington
Alexis Colby
Angela Channing
JR Ewing

:D

JR Ewing.


On a personal note, I like Angela Channing. She'd perfectly fit in this day and age because of her feisty character.

I think when Lili moves on in age and stature, she can perfectly blend into an Angela Channing of sorts. :) Hula ko lang yun.

Angela Channing -- Is she the one played by the great actress Jane Wyman? I don't mind. I like Jane Wyman.

I don't mind being Alexis Colby, too. Still piping hot for her age. ;)

Angela Channing -- Is she the one played by the great actress Jane Wyman? I don't mind. I like Jane Wyman.

I don't mind being Alexis Colby, too. Still piping hot for her age. ;)

Angela Channing -- Is she the one played by the great actress Jane Wyman? I don't mind. I like Jane Wyman.

I don't mind being Alexis Colby, too. Still piping hot for her age. ;)

Yes, Angela Channing was played by Jane Wyman. In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley. May ongoing feud din kasi sa pamilya namin at that time. hehehe

Angela Channing -- Is she the one played by the great actress Jane Wyman? I don't mind. I like Jane Wyman.

I don't mind being Alexis Colby, too. Still piping hot for her age. ;)

Yes, Angela Channing was played by Jane Wyman. In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley. May ongoing feud din kasi sa pamilya namin at that time. hehehe

^^ The Six Million Dollar Man (at that time)

Actually, he wasn't. Six million was the cost to rebuild him. He was actually an ex-astronaut, so he must've been pulling around $30 -$40k/yr. at that time, before his accident.

^^ The Six Million Dollar Man (at that time)

Actually, he wasn't. Six million was the cost to rebuild him. He was actually an ex-astronaut, so he must've been pulling around $30 -$40k/yr. at that time, before his accident.

haha. Kuya Beng. You actually computed how much he would be making... :lol:

haha. Kuya Beng. You actually computed how much he would be making... :lol:

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

It makes one cry.

Manila, according to chemist and history-buff Mr. Pio Andrade, was very beautiful before the Second World War.

So splendid was the city that it was called “the most beautiful and famous city in Asia and the Far East” by Jose Francisco Ibañez, the great Spanish novelist who wrote The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, when he visited the place in 1925.

For Daniel Burnham1, the renowned American city planner, “Manila is a unique city. Like Paris, it has a river running through it. Like Naples, it has a bay. And like Venice, it has a lot of esteros or canals. Manila should be the Pearl of the Orient.” Andrade said Burnham drafted a plan which, had even only half of it been followed, would still have made Manila the most beautiful city in the Orient. “Unfortunately, we didn’t get our acts together.”
Manila, when the Americans came, was only Intramuros, the rest of the areas surrounding it were rice fields, swamp lands and islands called arrabales or districts (Quiapo, Binondo, Rozo, Tondo, Sta. Cruz, San Miguel, etc.). The future Remdios Circle was still a cemetery then.
Within a few decades of the coming of the Americans, the City’s landscape changed: from agricultural to a place of learning, from bucolic to something with pizzazz. Instead of having your mind spin with disjointed facts, imagine this:

It’s February 1934. You have been invited by Tita Tilda to Manila for a visit. Since it is your first visit to the city, your aunt (let’s make her rich to make it easier for you) tours you all over the city. You are amazed at how different the city looks from the stories of family and neighbors back home in Batangas. But, then, the last one among them to visit the place did so way back in 1921!

Your aunt’s house is a happy marriage of graceful Spanish architecture and modern American technology. Electric lights shine through glass bulbs inside ornate lamps. Indoor plumbing and the water closet (“the toilet” to future generations) make taking a bath, giving in to nature, and doing household chores so much easier. Cooking time is facilitated because the large stove and oven use gas supplied by the Manila Gas Corporation. There are even sweet ice and cold sodas on Sundays because she has a refrigerator!2

Cruising in your aunt’s automobile, she shows you the famous Pasig River of song and legend: it is still clean and sweet-smelling, its waters traversed by small bancas bringing goodies to market, and its banks lined by rich people’s houses.

At times, you and Tita Tilda promenade along Dewey Boulevard (the future Roxas Blvd.) where you meet and gossip with her amigos and amigas who live along the millionaires’ row. (You still can’t believe that the boulevard had been land reclaimed from the sea!) Or, you visit her six children at the University of the Philippines and Ateneo de Manila.

As you walk the lanes lined with mango and acacia trees so thick that sunlight couldn’t get through, you tell them of their relatives in Batangas and their famous lawyer–and doctor-uncles. They laugh as you recount to them the shocked whispers of their adult relatives when they learned that their sister Tilda had decided to break tradition by sending her daughters not to the Colegio de Santa Isabel, but to UP instead. (UP ‘immoralities’ are hot news in Manila and in the provinces.)

Your male cousins pretend to be smug about going to an old established school like Ateneo, but they clearly seem insecure when their UP-educated sisters start talking. Since you are interested in entering UP two years from now, you ask them for stories. They tell you that you will like joining the ROTC as it is very popular. They advise you which are the best fraternities to join (not to worry, they are not yet into fights, but into competing with each other in debates, quiz contests, and sports). They promise to introduce you to the most beautiful colegialas they know, the kind who often make it to the Miss Philippines contest held every year at the Carnaval de Manila, the most famous in Asia.

Though your cousins have the same taste in radio music, Luneta Park concerts, jazz night clubs, and movies, they vary when it comes to politics. The Ateneans, Clark and Francis, are solid pro-Americans. But the UP ones–well, Sonia is a Marxist and frequently attends meetings of the Union Democratica de Filipinas(?) of Isabelo de los Reyes, Alicia likes everything American but decries its imperialist dreams, Gaia is a patriot, and Susie tends towards anything Japanese. All speak English, Spanish, and Chabacano (except for Susie who is also fluent in Japanese).

All are clearly proud of what they learn in college because all perceive that their individual paths will be of great help to the future of the country.
Your one last unforgettable experience in Manila happens when you go to the airport with your aunt and your cousins to bid your uncle “bon voyage” for his business trip to Paris. You try hard not to gawk at the noisy airplanes which land and leave the runway of the country’s first airport. 3
But all these have changed because of the war. According to Andrade and a lot of other people who survived it, the setback was so total that its repercussions on our physical, cultural, and spiritual lives as a nation can still be felt.4 The total RP experience in WWII will not be recounted here. What follows is just a short list of what were destroyed:

During the last fight in Manila, a lot of government buildings were shelled by American forces because the Japanese used these as strongholds. UP, the Rizal Memorial Stadium, Intramuros (known then as “The Little Rome of Asia”) these were almost totally destroyed. Loss of thousands of lives and destruction of hundreds of historical records were reported.…Mass starvation in the last days of the war. Everyday, people died in the streets because of it….Civilian massacres at La Salle, St. Paul’s, La Concordia College, Red Cross building, PGH, and at some houses. (Andrade mentioned a certain beautiful home owned by the Campos family where 150 bodies were found)….Four hundred women were rounded up by the Japanese and mass-raped at the Bayview Hotel. There were also survivor accounts of young girls herded at certain hospitals and raped before being killed. Some WWII veterans told of Filipinas being abducted in the streets by Jap soldiers during the entire Occupation and were never heard of again….Burning of the bridges of North Manila (Quiapo, Jones, Sta. Cruz) by the Japanese. Destruction of the “most beautiful” tranvia system, the “most modern” justice system in Asia, the thriving shipbuilding (yes, we built ships!) and textile industries, and the Caliraya Hydropower System. The effects of the destruction of Manila’s self-sufficient electrical system are still felt up to now according to Andrade. “We’re still trying to catch up with our electricity needs”….

The list, too horrible to comprehend, goes on. Yet, besides Andrade, many survivors agree that the most terrible losses that Filipinos suffered during the war were non-physical ones -- loss of faith in their fellow Filipinos and in God. To these they attribute corruption and lack of cohesion of Philippine society at present.

Andrade admonishes people never to forget the War and what the Philippines was like before and after it. He believes true and unbiased knowledge of the past is the only way to learn our lessons as a nation, heal our pain, and give us hope.

“We easily lose faith because we do not know the past. We believe that where we are now is as far as we can go. But no, we were ahead of other nations from 1900-41. We can still make Manila as beautiful as before. But we should learn the lessons of the past. Why was Manila beautiful then? Because there was planning, the people chose to be decent, and they still feared God... After WWII, God and religion took a backseat.” ( Fedelynn M. Jimena, UP Manila)


http://www.up.edu.ph/forum/2002/May-Jun02/old_manila.html

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

It makes one cry.

Manila, according to chemist and history-buff Mr. Pio Andrade, was very beautiful before the Second World War.

So splendid was the city that it was called “the most beautiful and famous city in Asia and the Far East” by Jose Francisco Ibañez, the great Spanish novelist who wrote The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, when he visited the place in 1925.

For Daniel Burnham1, the renowned American city planner, “Manila is a unique city. Like Paris, it has a river running through it. Like Naples, it has a bay. And like Venice, it has a lot of esteros or canals. Manila should be the Pearl of the Orient.” Andrade said Burnham drafted a plan which, had even only half of it been followed, would still have made Manila the most beautiful city in the Orient. “Unfortunately, we didn’t get our acts together.”
Manila, when the Americans came, was only Intramuros, the rest of the areas surrounding it were rice fields, swamp lands and islands called arrabales or districts (Quiapo, Binondo, Rozo, Tondo, Sta. Cruz, San Miguel, etc.). The future Remdios Circle was still a cemetery then.
Within a few decades of the coming of the Americans, the City’s landscape changed: from agricultural to a place of learning, from bucolic to something with pizzazz. Instead of having your mind spin with disjointed facts, imagine this:

It’s February 1934. You have been invited by Tita Tilda to Manila for a visit. Since it is your first visit to the city, your aunt (let’s make her rich to make it easier for you) tours you all over the city. You are amazed at how different the city looks from the stories of family and neighbors back home in Batangas. But, then, the last one among them to visit the place did so way back in 1921!

Your aunt’s house is a happy marriage of graceful Spanish architecture and modern American technology. Electric lights shine through glass bulbs inside ornate lamps. Indoor plumbing and the water closet (“the toilet” to future generations) make taking a bath, giving in to nature, and doing household chores so much easier. Cooking time is facilitated because the large stove and oven use gas supplied by the Manila Gas Corporation. There are even sweet ice and cold sodas on Sundays because she has a refrigerator!2

Cruising in your aunt’s automobile, she shows you the famous Pasig River of song and legend: it is still clean and sweet-smelling, its waters traversed by small bancas bringing goodies to market, and its banks lined by rich people’s houses.

At times, you and Tita Tilda promenade along Dewey Boulevard (the future Roxas Blvd.) where you meet and gossip with her amigos and amigas who live along the millionaires’ row. (You still can’t believe that the boulevard had been land reclaimed from the sea!) Or, you visit her six children at the University of the Philippines and Ateneo de Manila.

As you walk the lanes lined with mango and acacia trees so thick that sunlight couldn’t get through, you tell them of their relatives in Batangas and their famous lawyer–and doctor-uncles. They laugh as you recount to them the shocked whispers of their adult relatives when they learned that their sister Tilda had decided to break tradition by sending her daughters not to the Colegio de Santa Isabel, but to UP instead. (UP ‘immoralities’ are hot news in Manila and in the provinces.)

Your male cousins pretend to be smug about going to an old established school like Ateneo, but they clearly seem insecure when their UP-educated sisters start talking. Since you are interested in entering UP two years from now, you ask them for stories. They tell you that you will like joining the ROTC as it is very popular. They advise you which are the best fraternities to join (not to worry, they are not yet into fights, but into competing with each other in debates, quiz contests, and sports). They promise to introduce you to the most beautiful colegialas they know, the kind who often make it to the Miss Philippines contest held every year at the Carnaval de Manila, the most famous in Asia.

Though your cousins have the same taste in radio music, Luneta Park concerts, jazz night clubs, and movies, they vary when it comes to politics. The Ateneans, Clark and Francis, are solid pro-Americans. But the UP ones–well, Sonia is a Marxist and frequently attends meetings of the Union Democratica de Filipinas(?) of Isabelo de los Reyes, Alicia likes everything American but decries its imperialist dreams, Gaia is a patriot, and Susie tends towards anything Japanese. All speak English, Spanish, and Chabacano (except for Susie who is also fluent in Japanese).

All are clearly proud of what they learn in college because all perceive that their individual paths will be of great help to the future of the country.
Your one last unforgettable experience in Manila happens when you go to the airport with your aunt and your cousins to bid your uncle “bon voyage” for his business trip to Paris. You try hard not to gawk at the noisy airplanes which land and leave the runway of the country’s first airport. 3
But all these have changed because of the war. According to Andrade and a lot of other people who survived it, the setback was so total that its repercussions on our physical, cultural, and spiritual lives as a nation can still be felt.4 The total RP experience in WWII will not be recounted here. What follows is just a short list of what were destroyed:

During the last fight in Manila, a lot of government buildings were shelled by American forces because the Japanese used these as strongholds. UP, the Rizal Memorial Stadium, Intramuros (known then as “The Little Rome of Asia”) these were almost totally destroyed. Loss of thousands of lives and destruction of hundreds of historical records were reported.…Mass starvation in the last days of the war. Everyday, people died in the streets because of it….Civilian massacres at La Salle, St. Paul’s, La Concordia College, Red Cross building, PGH, and at some houses. (Andrade mentioned a certain beautiful home owned by the Campos family where 150 bodies were found)….Four hundred women were rounded up by the Japanese and mass-raped at the Bayview Hotel. There were also survivor accounts of young girls herded at certain hospitals and raped before being killed. Some WWII veterans told of Filipinas being abducted in the streets by Jap soldiers during the entire Occupation and were never heard of again….Burning of the bridges of North Manila (Quiapo, Jones, Sta. Cruz) by the Japanese. Destruction of the “most beautiful” tranvia system, the “most modern” justice system in Asia, the thriving shipbuilding (yes, we built ships!) and textile industries, and the Caliraya Hydropower System. The effects of the destruction of Manila’s self-sufficient electrical system are still felt up to now according to Andrade. “We’re still trying to catch up with our electricity needs”….

The list, too horrible to comprehend, goes on. Yet, besides Andrade, many survivors agree that the most terrible losses that Filipinos suffered during the war were non-physical ones -- loss of faith in their fellow Filipinos and in God. To these they attribute corruption and lack of cohesion of Philippine society at present.

Andrade admonishes people never to forget the War and what the Philippines was like before and after it. He believes true and unbiased knowledge of the past is the only way to learn our lessons as a nation, heal our pain, and give us hope.

“We easily lose faith because we do not know the past. We believe that where we are now is as far as we can go. But no, we were ahead of other nations from 1900-41. We can still make Manila as beautiful as before. But we should learn the lessons of the past. Why was Manila beautiful then? Because there was planning, the people chose to be decent, and they still feared God... After WWII, God and religion took a backseat.” ( Fedelynn M. Jimena, UP Manila)


http://www.up.edu.ph/forum/2002/May-Jun02/old_manila.html

Battling Bastards of Bataan

http://home.pacbell.net/fbaldie/img006.JPG.8620

Japanese Soldiers on Bataan

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/bataanjaps4.jpg

Americans Surrender on Bataan

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/bataansoldier2.jpg

Japanese on Bataan: 1942

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/japschurch.jpg

Battling Bastards of Bataan

http://home.pacbell.net/fbaldie/img006.JPG.8620

Japanese Soldiers on Bataan

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/bataanjaps4.jpg

Americans Surrender on Bataan

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/bataansoldier2.jpg

Japanese on Bataan: 1942

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/japschurch.jpg

In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley.

My family was glued to Knots Landing! I remember that my sister couldn't accept that the show was finally coming to an end. :lol:

In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley.

My family was glued to Knots Landing! I remember that my sister couldn't accept that the show was finally coming to an end. :lol:

In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley.

You must mean the fictional Tuscany Valley, the setting of the show. :)

Yes, I agree that JR Ewing would have to be the richest, though I don't recall following Dallas. Hehe.

In the 80s, our immediate family was glued to Falcon Crest every Sunday evening as we could all relate to the power struggle portrayed in Napa Valley.

You must mean the fictional Tuscany Valley, the setting of the show. :)

Yes, I agree that JR Ewing would have to be the richest, though I don't recall following Dallas. Hehe.

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.

i agree. i had a drug-related accident at age 16 and quit by then.

Good for you that you didn't waste any of your time on that crazy stuff. And for all you younger ones, don't even start. If you have, STOP! My first "hit' was when I was 16. Six years later I received the Lord as my Saviour and I was delivered from all those things. Nasayang ang oras ko sa katarantaduhan na yan. At least now when I tell kids the dangers of drugs, I know first hand what I'm talking about.

i agree. i had a drug-related accident at age 16 and quit by then.

Good for you that you didn't waste any of your time on that crazy stuff. And for all you younger ones, don't even start. If you have, STOP! My first "hit' was when I was 16. Six years later I received the Lord as my Saviour and I was delivered from all those things. Nasayang ang oras ko sa katarantaduhan na yan. At least now when I tell kids the dangers of drugs, I know first hand what I'm talking about.

Yes, Tuscany Valley it was. Thanks for refreshing our memory on that. Man, that was more than twenty years ago! That show was even on the very day Ninoy was shot.

Yes, Tuscany Valley it was. Thanks for refreshing our memory on that. Man, that was more than twenty years ago! That show was even on the very day Ninoy was shot.

That's very illuminating Lili - thanks. It is also said that Magsaysay was CIA sponsored. Are there similar books supporting this theory?

One of the easiest reads I've gone through re Philippine History was the Kasayasayan series released by Readers' Digest. Though there are no references in depth with regards to CIA sponsorship, the volumes will surely help us get our bearings in the right direction in terms of history (and martial law).

That's very illuminating Lili - thanks. It is also said that Magsaysay was CIA sponsored. Are there similar books supporting this theory?

One of the easiest reads I've gone through re Philippine History was the Kasayasayan series released by Readers' Digest. Though there are no references in depth with regards to CIA sponsorship, the volumes will surely help us get our bearings in the right direction in terms of history (and martial law).

Past is past, we can never change it. Its time to learn the past to build our future and concentrate on it. We can reclaim the glory that was once lost although it will entail a lot of sacrifices and change in attitude.

Past is past, we can never change it. Its time to learn the past to build our future and concentrate on it. We can reclaim the glory that was once lost although it will entail a lot of sacrifices and change in attitude.

^ Yes, indeed. It still hurts though. But I think what we can do is come up with innovative designs in architecture/buildings and city planning, while at the same time also building/planning things that are new but completely "old" in look, filipino or colonial era. It can be done. I think we already have things like this but it should be done more.

^ Yes, indeed. It still hurts though. But I think what we can do is come up with innovative designs in architecture/buildings and city planning, while at the same time also building/planning things that are new but completely "old" in look, filipino or colonial era. It can be done. I think we already have things like this but it should be done more.

Good for you that you didn't waste any of your time on that crazy stuff. And for all you younger ones, don't even start. If you have, STOP! My first "hit' was when I was 16. Six years later I received the Lord as my Saviour and I was delivered from all those things. Nasayang ang oras ko sa katarantaduhan na yan. At least now when I tell kids the dangers of drugs, I know first hand what I'm talking about.

it was educational for me... but lols I'm no addict,.. I've saved several people from addiction, at least I knew what they were going tru, but then I don't recommend it... :)

Good for you that you didn't waste any of your time on that crazy stuff. And for all you younger ones, don't even start. If you have, STOP! My first "hit' was when I was 16. Six years later I received the Lord as my Saviour and I was delivered from all those things. Nasayang ang oras ko sa katarantaduhan na yan. At least now when I tell kids the dangers of drugs, I know first hand what I'm talking about.

it was educational for me... but lols I'm no addict,.. I've saved several people from addiction, at least I knew what they were going tru, but then I don't recommend it... :)

:applause: Wow that was an excellent read. I think we lose faith because we do not know the details of the past. I mean everybody knows the story about being colonized by Spain, occupied by America etc etc but what one usually doesnt know are the interesting stuff like Manila's tramvia, the cosmopolitan lifestyle of its citizens, thriving shipbuilding industry etc. Speaking of thriving ship building industry, you have more articles regarding it Animo?

:applause: Wow that was an excellent read. I think we lose faith because we do not know the details of the past. I mean everybody knows the story about being colonized by Spain, occupied by America etc etc but what one usually doesnt know are the interesting stuff like Manila's tramvia, the cosmopolitan lifestyle of its citizens, thriving shipbuilding industry etc. Speaking of thriving ship building industry, you have more articles regarding it Animo?

:applause: Wow that was an excellent read. I think we lose faith because we do not know the details of the past. I mean everybody knows the story about being colonized by Spain, occupied by America etc etc but what one usually doesnt know are the interesting stuff like Manila's tramvia, the cosmopolitan lifestyle of its citizens, thriving shipbuilding history etc. Speaking of thriving ship building industry, you have more articles regarding this Animo?

Jeff, I might find one later on. I still need to do school work before winter break! :cry:

I hope this would turn into a discussion period now. Its almost close to the 500th post and then we can retire this thread and move on into the future of our country. Okey, guys this reminded me of my immersion trip back then. :colgate:

I do remember some article about the Galleon and some ship building stuff before.

:applause: Wow that was an excellent read. I think we lose faith because we do not know the details of the past. I mean everybody knows the story about being colonized by Spain, occupied by America etc etc but what one usually doesnt know are the interesting stuff like Manila's tramvia, the cosmopolitan lifestyle of its citizens, thriving shipbuilding history etc. Speaking of thriving ship building industry, you have more articles regarding this Animo?

Jeff, I might find one later on. I still need to do school work before winter break! :cry:

I hope this would turn into a discussion period now. Its almost close to the 500th post and then we can retire this thread and move on into the future of our country. Okey, guys this reminded me of my immersion trip back then. :colgate:

I do remember some article about the Galleon and some ship building stuff before.

we've been building ships since 1600's, the galleon. :P

we've been building ships since 1600's, the galleon. :P

@Animo: I hear you bro :) we're on the same loaded boat.

@Animo: I hear you bro :) we're on the same loaded boat.

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.

Some WWII veterans told of Filipinas being abducted in the streets by Jap soldiers during the entire Occupation and were never heard of again….

Yes, indeed. My Great grandmother was one of those who never returned during the war. And, I find my grandfather as an inspiration who stuggled and hoped for a better future after the war. I think it is time for the Filipinos to realize that one needs to learn the past in order to understand the present and make the future a better place for the upcoming generations.

:bowtie:

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.

Some WWII veterans told of Filipinas being abducted in the streets by Jap soldiers during the entire Occupation and were never heard of again….

Yes, indeed. My Great grandmother was one of those who never returned during the war. And, I find my grandfather as an inspiration who stuggled and hoped for a better future after the war. I think it is time for the Filipinos to realize that one needs to learn the past in order to understand the present and make the future a better place for the upcoming generations.

:bowtie:

^ now I realise why, they are so many ghosts in manila...

^ now I realise why, they are so many ghosts in manila...

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

It makes one cry.

Intramuros was destroyed by the Americans during the Liberation of Manila.

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

It makes one cry.

Intramuros was destroyed by the Americans during the Liberation of Manila.

Actually its from . Albuquerque, Bohol Island. :D
ah. ok. thanks.

Actually its from . Albuquerque, Bohol Island. :D
ah. ok. thanks.

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.


Amen to that! Scholars have written that the moral fiber that held together Filipino culture was corrupted and perverted by the Japanese Occupation, when even las buenas familias were compelled to steal, cheat, and even sell their morality for the sake of survival. It took just those three years, 1942-1945, to disrupt the flowering of a unique Eurasian cultural fusion that took root 400 years earlier. Even Carmen Guerrero-Nakpil said that during the privation of WWII, it became patriotic to cheat and steal from the Japanese-sponsored government. In Hawaii, it's pretty easy to see the contrast in prewar vs. postwar Filipino demeanor: my lolo came here in 1910, and the Filipino cultural traits and values that were inculcated in our family differs from that of the recently-arrived pinoys whose lives developed in a war-torn nation that further underwent a series of corrupt postwar political regimes--stuff that did not affect those Filipino emigres who left the homeland prior to 1941, never to return.

I found the account on the beauty of Old Manila before it was ravaged by the war very poignant. The listing of what was destroyed, raped and pillaged during WWII makes one decry the lot that was given to the country in a war that was not its real own. But such is the nature of war. It is sad that Manila's old world charm was a victim to it. More than the historical structures, it has somewhat damaged the Filipino psyche.


Amen to that! Scholars have written that the moral fiber that held together Filipino culture was corrupted and perverted by the Japanese Occupation, when even las buenas familias were compelled to steal, cheat, and even sell their morality for the sake of survival. It took just those three years, 1942-1945, to disrupt the flowering of a unique Eurasian cultural fusion that took root 400 years earlier. Even Carmen Guerrero-Nakpil said that during the privation of WWII, it became patriotic to cheat and steal from the Japanese-sponsored government. In Hawaii, it's pretty easy to see the contrast in prewar vs. postwar Filipino demeanor: my lolo came here in 1910, and the Filipino cultural traits and values that were inculcated in our family differs from that of the recently-arrived pinoys whose lives developed in a war-torn nation that further underwent a series of corrupt postwar political regimes--stuff that did not affect those Filipino emigres who left the homeland prior to 1941, never to return.

great article! it makes me really sad to think of what Manila is today if it wasn't destroyed during WWII :(

great article! it makes me really sad to think of what Manila is today if it wasn't destroyed during WWII :(

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7034019982005_31814982005fr000927l.jpg

Manila, panoramic view (bay area)

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7034019982005_31814982005fr000927l.jpg

Manila, panoramic view (bay area)

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/15916982005_382611982005fr000918l.jpg

Manila, school trip at Fort Santiago

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/15916982005_382611982005fr000918l.jpg

Manila, school trip at Fort Santiago

^ nice...

^ nice...

Manila, panoramic view (bay area)

In this panoramic view of Manila, you can see that they are still filling the land of the CCP complex.

Also, that piece of green open space towards the left of the picture. Was that Harrison Park?

Manila, panoramic view (bay area)

In this panoramic view of Manila, you can see that they are still filling the land of the CCP complex.

Also, that piece of green open space towards the left of the picture. Was that Harrison Park?

I think the U of Wisconsin-Milwaukee collection has erred on their documentation of these two pics; they dated them to the 1960s, but their details serve as have evidence to show that they're even older. In fact, I'd venture into saying they're pre-World War II, rare color stills! In the first one, look at the old 1930s model black car, and further in the background against the skyline is the old BBB (Balintawak Brewery) that was commandeered by Nippon during the occupation. In the second one with the calesas, there's the traffic cop wearing the old sun helmet uniform of the Commonmwealth Constabulary. In both, the women's attire point to the later 1930s...the young ladies with the braids were said to denote unmarried status back in the day in some Tagalog regions. Just my thoughts.

Clever observation, Hawayano. I didn't pay attention at first, but come to think of it, you might be right - looks much older.
Also, not a single mini-skirt in sight (if this is supposed to be 60s). The calesa drivers are wearing very old-fashioned long-sleeved shirts, one man is wearing a quaint blue striped shirt....and look at the Art Deco-ish Coke logo.

I think the U of Wisconsin-Milwaukee collection has erred on their documentation of these two pics; they dated them to the 1960s, but their details serve as have evidence to show that they're even older. In fact, I'd venture into saying they're pre-World War II, rare color stills! In the first one, look at the old 1930s model black car, and further in the background against the skyline is the old BBB (Balintawak Brewery) that was commandeered by Nippon during the occupation. In the second one with the calesas, there's the traffic cop wearing the old sun helmet uniform of the Commonmwealth Constabulary. In both, the women's attire point to the later 1930s...the young ladies with the braids were said to denote unmarried status back in the day in some Tagalog regions. Just my thoughts.

Clever observation, Hawayano. I didn't pay attention at first, but come to think of it, you might be right - looks much older.
Also, not a single mini-skirt in sight (if this is supposed to be 60s). The calesa drivers are wearing very old-fashioned long-sleeved shirts, one man is wearing a quaint blue striped shirt....and look at the Art Deco-ish Coke logo.

cool stuff, yeah, drfeelgood? and I'm sure there must be some color photos out there of prewar Intramuros as well! All-points bulletin out on that!

cool stuff, yeah, drfeelgood? and I'm sure there must be some color photos out there of prewar Intramuros as well! All-points bulletin out on that!

Memorable Quotes from
"Falcon Crest" (1981)
Richard Channing Denault: If you're going to shoot... shoot, but don't talk me to death.

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Garth: Your office was completely destroyed.
Richard Channing Denault: Well at least I won't have to go to work today. I hated that damn wallpaper anyway.

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Lance Cumson: You've destroyed our entire way of life.
Richard Channing Denault: Well, I can only hope.

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Chase Gioberti: The waiter suggests the Mako... that's shark.
Richard Channing Denault: Oh, I never eat shark. Call it professional courtesy.

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Richard Channing Denault: Don't buy a new hat because I'm going to tear your head off!

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Richard Channing Denault: I don't want him setting foot in this house unless he's buried in the basement!

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Richard Channing Denault: Sorry I had to be nice to you.
Angela Channing: I may never recover.

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Richard Channing Denault: Are you comfortable Angela? Can I get you anything? Maybe you'd like an arsenic on the rocks.

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Richard Channing Denault: She and nothing else around here will ever be the same again!

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Richard Channing Denault: Angela declared war on me before I even set foot in this valley. I'll tell you what I want. I want her head, and Chase's along side it!

SOURCE: imdb.com

Memorable Quotes from
"Falcon Crest" (1981)
Richard Channing Denault: If you're going to shoot... shoot, but don't talk me to death.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Garth: Your office was completely destroyed.
Richard Channing Denault: Well at least I won't have to go to work today. I hated that damn wallpaper anyway.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lance Cumson: You've destroyed our entire way of life.
Richard Channing Denault: Well, I can only hope.

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Chase Gioberti: The waiter suggests the Mako... that's shark.
Richard Channing Denault: Oh, I never eat shark. Call it professional courtesy.

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Richard Channing Denault: Don't buy a new hat because I'm going to tear your head off!

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Richard Channing Denault: I don't want him setting foot in this house unless he's buried in the basement!

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Richard Channing Denault: Sorry I had to be nice to you.
Angela Channing: I may never recover.

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Richard Channing Denault: Are you comfortable Angela? Can I get you anything? Maybe you'd like an arsenic on the rocks.

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Richard Channing Denault: She and nothing else around here will ever be the same again!

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Richard Channing Denault: Angela declared war on me before I even set foot in this valley. I'll tell you what I want. I want her head, and Chase's along side it!

SOURCE: imdb.com

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3g10000/3g10000/3g10600/3g10652r.jpg
Your Liberty Bond will help stop this - Sus bonos de la libertad ayudarán á dar fin con esto / F. C. Amorsolo.
Poster showing German soldiers nailing a man to a tree, as American soldiers come to his rescue.
Manila : Bureau of Printing, [1917]

I am bothered with this 'piece of art.' Once again, the Americans are depicted as 'saviours' of the oppressed. Not only that, our national artist Fernando Amorsolo was the one who made it.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3g10000/3g10000/3g10600/3g10652r.jpg
Your Liberty Bond will help stop this - Sus bonos de la libertad ayudarán á dar fin con esto / F. C. Amorsolo.
Poster showing German soldiers nailing a man to a tree, as American soldiers come to his rescue.
Manila : Bureau of Printing, [1917]

I am bothered with this 'piece of art.' Once again, the Americans are depicted as 'saviours' of the oppressed. Not only that, our national artist Fernando Amorsolo was the one who made it.

cool stuff, yeah, drfeelgood? and I'm sure there must be some color photos out there of prewar Intramuros as well! All-points bulletin out on that!

These pre-war colour pics must be pretty rare. Do you know the Germans pioneered colour photography during the Nazi era? Agfa was an early innovator.

I would love to see more pre-war pics of Intramuros, especially pics of the 17 or so churches that were never rebuilt. The Americans called Manila the Rome of Asia on account of its numerous Baroque churches.

cool stuff, yeah, drfeelgood? and I'm sure there must be some color photos out there of prewar Intramuros as well! All-points bulletin out on that!

These pre-war colour pics must be pretty rare. Do you know the Germans pioneered colour photography during the Nazi era? Agfa was an early innovator.

I would love to see more pre-war pics of Intramuros, especially pics of the 17 or so churches that were never rebuilt. The Americans called Manila the Rome of Asia on account of its numerous Baroque churches.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c03000/3c03300/3c03377r.jpg
Embroidery class at Paco School, Manila between ca. 1900 and 1923

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c03000/3c03300/3c03377r.jpg
Embroidery class at Paco School, Manila between ca. 1900 and 1923

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00259.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00260.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00248.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00374.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02405.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02413.jpg
Yikes! Feeling talaga!

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00259.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00260.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00248.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac00374.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02405.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02413.jpg
Yikes! Feeling talaga!

Amen to that! Scholars have written that the moral fiber that held together Filipino culture was corrupted and perverted by the Japanese Occupation, when even las buenas familias were compelled to steal, cheat, and even sell their morality for the sake of survival. It took just those three years, 1942-1945, to disrupt the flowering of a unique Eurasian cultural fusion that took root 400 years earlier. Even Carmen Guerrero-Nakpil said that during the privation of WWII, it became patriotic to cheat and steal from the Japanese-sponsored government. In Hawaii, it's pretty easy to see the contrast in prewar vs. postwar Filipino demeanor: my lolo came here in 1910, and the Filipino cultural traits and values that were inculcated in our family differs from that of the recently-arrived pinoys whose lives developed in a war-torn nation that further underwent a series of corrupt postwar political regimes--stuff that did not affect those Filipino emigres who left the homeland prior to 1941, never to return.

Very illuminating comments on the effects of war on the Filipino psyche, Hawayon and Lili. It makes me wonder what kind of a nation we could have been. It is also easy to forget the psychological damage caused by war when we discuss it purely in terms of economic and physical damage.

Amen to that! Scholars have written that the moral fiber that held together Filipino culture was corrupted and perverted by the Japanese Occupation, when even las buenas familias were compelled to steal, cheat, and even sell their morality for the sake of survival. It took just those three years, 1942-1945, to disrupt the flowering of a unique Eurasian cultural fusion that took root 400 years earlier. Even Carmen Guerrero-Nakpil said that during the privation of WWII, it became patriotic to cheat and steal from the Japanese-sponsored government. In Hawaii, it's pretty easy to see the contrast in prewar vs. postwar Filipino demeanor: my lolo came here in 1910, and the Filipino cultural traits and values that were inculcated in our family differs from that of the recently-arrived pinoys whose lives developed in a war-torn nation that further underwent a series of corrupt postwar political regimes--stuff that did not affect those Filipino emigres who left the homeland prior to 1941, never to return.

Very illuminating comments on the effects of war on the Filipino psyche, Hawayon and Lili. It makes me wonder what kind of a nation we could have been. It is also easy to forget the psychological damage caused by war when we discuss it purely in terms of economic and physical damage.

Those 1930s pics are excellent!

Those 1930s pics are excellent!

Wow, looking an old photo in color gives it a whole new perspective of the Old Manila

Wow, looking an old photo in color gives it a whole new perspective of the Old Manila

Wow, looking an old photo in color gives it a whole new perspective of the Old Manila

You're right--I have seen some US military photos of Manila in ruins in 1945, but rarely ever have I seen the city in depicted color before its destruction. It's sad that so much was lost, and to recreate it so daunting. Like, I'm always wondering what the two-tone colors were on the old Post Office building or the Legislative Building back then.

Wow, looking an old photo in color gives it a whole new perspective of the Old Manila

You're right--I have seen some US military photos of Manila in ruins in 1945, but rarely ever have I seen the city in depicted color before its destruction. It's sad that so much was lost, and to recreate it so daunting. Like, I'm always wondering what the two-tone colors were on the old Post Office building or the Legislative Building back then.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02413.jpg
Yikes! Feeling talaga!

Hey--look where MacArthur's posing: on the balcony of City Hall with the smashed-up hulk of ruins that was our Legislative Building (now rebuilt as the National Museum) behind him in the distance. Can anyone find the same view today for the "then and now" thread?

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/ac00001/ac02413.jpg
Yikes! Feeling talaga!

Hey--look where MacArthur's posing: on the balcony of City Hall with the smashed-up hulk of ruins that was our Legislative Building (now rebuilt as the National Museum) behind him in the distance. Can anyone find the same view today for the "then and now" thread?

"Liberation" of Manila recalled
Carmen Guerrero Nakpil


THE FINAL STAGE in the "liberation" of the city of Manila by the Americans from the Japanese Imperial Army took place on February 27, 1945 in a simple, heartwrenching ceremony held under the famous and miraculously undamaged Belgian chandeliers in the great hall of Malacañang Palace.

Gen. Douglas MacArthur, commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces in the Far East, in will-pressed khakis and nobly purple prose, formally turned over the government of the Philippine Commonwealth to Sergio Osmeña with these words: "Mr. President, more than three years have elapsed--years of bitterness, struggle and sacrifice--since I withdrew our forces and installations from this beautiful city that, open and undefended, its churches, monuments and cultural centers might, in accordance with the rules of warfare, be spared the violence of military ravage. The enemy would not have it so, and much that I sought to preserve has been unnecessarily destroyed by his desperate action at bay--but by these ashes he has wantonly fixed the future pattern of his doom...."

The idolized, quasi-mythical hero of the tormented Filipinos, MacArthur had driven to Malacañang through the streets of Manila (he was to write in his memoirs) "with their burned out piles of rubble, the air still filled with the stench of decaying unburied dead... the tall stately trees that had been the mark of a gracious city... nothing but ugly scrubs pointing broken fingers at the sky...once famous buildings were now shells."

He continued addressing the small assemblage of American officers and Filipino leaders summoned hastily from their hovels or air-raid shelters, dressed in pitiful, prewar suits, frayed shirts and khaki uniforms, while Japanese and American shells zoomed overhead: "Your country thus is again at liberty to pursue its destiny to an honored position in the family of nations. Your capital city, cruelly punished though it be, has regained its rightful place--citadel of democracy in the East."

Outside, the battle of liberation still raged and the systematic destruction of the city by American shells and Japanese massacre continued. Tondo and Santa Cruz had been leveled by Japanese guns, and Paco, Malate, Ermita, Intramuros were "a gigantic pyre" (wrote one eyewitness afterwards), a fragment of hell carpet-bombed and shelled by American guns, inhabited only by half-crazed, wild-eyed survivors of Japanese torture and massacre.

President Osmeña, surrounded by his Cabinet (Confesor, Jaranilla, Cabili, Basilio Valdes, Maximo Kalaw, Cabahug, Executive Secretary Jose R. Reyes and the future Resident Commissioner in Washington, Carlos P. Romulo) replied in a weak voice, for he was both physically ill and sick at heart: "My fellow countrymen, this is an historic city."

He spoke of the Malay city built 800 years ago that now lay around him in ruins, of the murder of thousands of innocent people by Japanese "vandals," of the wartime pledge of President Roosevelt, and announced that the executive and judicial branches would be re-established "with utmost vigor and dispatch." He called all members of Congress to be ready to meet in Manila "as soon as conditions permitted."

But he also announced unequivocally that "our independence is a settled question," and hoped that it would be accomplished on August 13, 1945 (referring to the American Occupation of 1898), "so that Occupation Day would also be Independence Day."

They were brave words in the face of the almost total devastation of Manila and the Philippine archipelago. Admiral Nimitz's original plan of cutting across the Pacific to Japan and bypassing the Philippines and other islands had been discarded at a meeting in Honolulu during which MacArthur had succeeded in persuading President Franklin Roosevelt to adopt his plan of island-hopping and returning to Manila in triumph.

The vainglorious MacArthur had returned all rights as he had promised but at a heart-breaking cost to Filipinos who, decades later, would remain the last true believers in the MacArthur legend.

"Liberation" of Manila recalled
Carmen Guerrero Nakpil


THE FINAL STAGE in the "liberation" of the city of Manila by the Americans from the Japanese Imperial Army took place on February 27, 1945 in a simple, heartwrenching ceremony held under the famous and miraculously undamaged Belgian chandeliers in the great hall of Malacañang Palace.

Gen. Douglas MacArthur, commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces in the Far East, in will-pressed khakis and nobly purple prose, formally turned over the government of the Philippine Commonwealth to Sergio Osmeña with these words: "Mr. President, more than three years have elapsed--years of bitterness, struggle and sacrifice--since I withdrew our forces and installations from this beautiful city that, open and undefended, its churches, monuments and cultural centers might, in accordance with the rules of warfare, be spared the violence of military ravage. The enemy would not have it so, and much that I sought to preserve has been unnecessarily destroyed by his desperate action at bay--but by these ashes he has wantonly fixed the future pattern of his doom...."

The idolized, quasi-mythical hero of the tormented Filipinos, MacArthur had driven to Malacañang through the streets of Manila (he was to write in his memoirs) "with their burned out piles of rubble, the air still filled with the stench of decaying unburied dead... the tall stately trees that had been the mark of a gracious city... nothing but ugly scrubs pointing broken fingers at the sky...once famous buildings were now shells."

He continued addressing the small assemblage of American officers and Filipino leaders summoned hastily from their hovels or air-raid shelters, dressed in pitiful, prewar suits, frayed shirts and khaki uniforms, while Japanese and American shells zoomed overhead: "Your country thus is again at liberty to pursue its destiny to an honored position in the family of nations. Your capital city, cruelly punished though it be, has regained its rightful place--citadel of democracy in the East."

Outside, the battle of liberation still raged and the systematic destruction of the city by American shells and Japanese massacre continued. Tondo and Santa Cruz had been leveled by Japanese guns, and Paco, Malate, Ermita, Intramuros were "a gigantic pyre" (wrote one eyewitness afterwards), a fragment of hell carpet-bombed and shelled by American guns, inhabited only by half-crazed, wild-eyed survivors of Japanese torture and massacre.

President Osmeña, surrounded by his Cabinet (Confesor, Jaranilla, Cabili, Basilio Valdes, Maximo Kalaw, Cabahug, Executive Secretary Jose R. Reyes and the future Resident Commissioner in Washington, Carlos P. Romulo) replied in a weak voice, for he was both physically ill and sick at heart: "My fellow countrymen, this is an historic city."

He spoke of the Malay city built 800 years ago that now lay around him in ruins, of the murder of thousands of innocent people by Japanese "vandals," of the wartime pledge of President Roosevelt, and announced that the executive and judicial branches would be re-established "with utmost vigor and dispatch." He called all members of Congress to be ready to meet in Manila "as soon as conditions permitted."

But he also announced unequivocally that "our independence is a settled question," and hoped that it would be accomplished on August 13, 1945 (referring to the American Occupation of 1898), "so that Occupation Day would also be Independence Day."

They were brave words in the face of the almost total devastation of Manila and the Philippine archipelago. Admiral Nimitz's original plan of cutting across the Pacific to Japan and bypassing the Philippines and other islands had been discarded at a meeting in Honolulu during which MacArthur had succeeded in persuading President Franklin Roosevelt to adopt his plan of island-hopping and returning to Manila in triumph.

The vainglorious MacArthur had returned all rights as he had promised but at a heart-breaking cost to Filipinos who, decades later, would remain the last true believers in the MacArthur legend.

Hey--look where MacArthur's posing: on the balcony of City Hall with the smashed-up hulk of ruins that was our Legislative Building (now rebuilt as the National Museum) behind him in the distance. Can anyone find the same view today for the "then and now" thread?

may i give a hint: its not one of those old ass popeye cartoons :)

Hey--look where MacArthur's posing: on the balcony of City Hall with the smashed-up hulk of ruins that was our Legislative Building (now rebuilt as the National Museum) behind him in the distance. Can anyone find the same view today for the "then and now" thread?

may i give a hint: its not one of those old ass popeye cartoons :)

may i give a hint: its not one of those old ass popeye cartoons :)


Uh huh--all he needs is a can of spinach in his other hand!

may i give a hint: its not one of those old ass popeye cartoons :)


Uh huh--all he needs is a can of spinach in his other hand!

[QUOTE=Animo]http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

I have read a long time ago that WWII destroyed 10 square miles of Manila. The photo above shows the damage in the area around Intramuros.

[QUOTE=Animo]http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

I have read a long time ago that WWII destroyed 10 square miles of Manila. The photo above shows the damage in the area around Intramuros.

^ That picture makes me so sad

^ That picture makes me so sad

[QUOTE=Animo]http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

I have read a long time ago that WWII destroyed 10 square miles of Manila. The photo above shows the damage in the area around Intramuros.

So did they already demolished all the remaining structures there??

[QUOTE=Animo]http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/maniladestroyed3.jpg

I have read a long time ago that WWII destroyed 10 square miles of Manila. The photo above shows the damage in the area around Intramuros.

So did they already demolished all the remaining structures there??

Does anyone have any "Ayuntamento" pictures in Intramuros? Thank you. :)

Does anyone have any "Ayuntamento" pictures in Intramuros? Thank you. :)

Does anyone have any "Ayuntamento" pictures in Intramuros? Thank you. :)

Pards,

Check out the "Philippines Then and Now" thread and you will find a current picture of the Ayuntamiento. It stands next to the Manila Cathedral but sadly, only the ruins remain of this once proud structure. My father used to work for the Central Bank of the Philippines and for a long while, the Central Bank used the ruins of the Ayuntamiento as a parking lot for its motor pool.

If you're facing the Manila Cathedral, it will be to your left. I hope this information helps.

Regards,
Jon

Does anyone have any "Ayuntamento" pictures in Intramuros? Thank you. :)

Pards,

Check out the "Philippines Then and Now" thread and you will find a current picture of the Ayuntamiento. It stands next to the Manila Cathedral but sadly, only the ruins remain of this once proud structure. My father used to work for the Central Bank of the Philippines and for a long while, the Central Bank used the ruins of the Ayuntamiento as a parking lot for its motor pool.

If you're facing the Manila Cathedral, it will be to your left. I hope this information helps.

Regards,
Jon

Tahimik yata dito lately. It's been 4 days at wala pa ring kumikibo.....

Tahimik yata dito lately. It's been 4 days at wala pa ring kumikibo.....

Iloilo Then and Now Photos

Images of Oldé Yloilo, from 1900 to 1935

Casa Real (Iloilo Provincial Capitol)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/capitol.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pc0cfd6bf5b443936f4254f76a36edb8d/f13f024c.jpg

Warehouses along Muelle Loney
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/warehouses.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pef533d974cc0da7af9af9364bb38c443/f155ba47.jpg

J. M. Basa Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/basajm.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/p48dde6cb88f4217c748faa10fe82542d/f14d4a9e.jpg


Iloilo Central Market
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/market.jpg

Uy Bico Building
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/uybico.jpg

Sinamay weavers
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sinamay.jpg

Hangar of the Iloilo-Negros Air Express Co. (Inaec),
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/inaec.jpg
the first commercial airline in the Philippines.

Iloilo Post Office
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/postofc.jpg

PLDT Building
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/pldt.jpg

Iloilo Customs House
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/customs.jpg
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/gaki/cusyomeh.jpg

Iloilo Provincial Jail
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jail.jpg

Philippine National Bank
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/pnb.jpg

Colegio del Sagrado Corazon de Jesus
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sagrado.jpg

University of San Agustin
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sanag.jpg

Iloilo Japanese School
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/japschool.jpg

Anti-Tuberculosis Society
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/anti-tb.jpg

Iloilo St. Paul Hospital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/stpaul.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1071951/St.PaulsHospital.jpg

Iloilo Mission Hispital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/mission.jpg

Asilo de San Vicente de Paul
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/asilo.jpg

Aerial view of Iloilo Mission Hospital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/mission2.jpg

-------------------------
J. M. Basa Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jmbasa2.jpg
http://p.vtourist.com/1/1887184-The_Commoner_along_JM_Basa_St-Iloilo_City.jpg

Plazoleta Gay
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/plazoleta.jpg
http://chymera.freespaces.com/mylokality/photos/jmbasast3.jpg

Iznart Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/iznart.jpg

Iznart Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/iznart2.jpg

Arroyo Fountain
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/arroyo.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pc0cfd6bf5b443936f4254f76a36edb8d/f13f024c.jpg

San Jose Parish Church
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sanjose.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/p4f6448bbc699a2779ac78e5bda7b6f69/f14d4a6f.jpg

Casino Español
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/casino.jpg

Cine Eagle
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/eagle.jpg

Cine Lyric
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/lyric.jpg

Masonic Temple
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/masonic.jpg

Iloilo Golf and Country Club
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/golf.jpg

Iloilo Carnival
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/carnival.jpg

Iloilo Girls' Dormitory
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/dorm.jpg

Provincial Athletic Field
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/field.jpg

Iloilo YMCA
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/ymca.jpg

Iloilo Jockey Club (Balantang, Jaro)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jockey.jpg

Lido Grill and Restaurant
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/lido.jpg

Dr. R. Santos Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/santos.jpg

V. Lopez Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/vlopez.jpg
http://www.pilmap.com.ph/pilmap%20(holiday%20issue)/images/iloilo-1.jpg

E. Lopez Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/elopez.jpg

Ledesma Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/ledesma.jpg

Campos Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/campos.jpg

Benedicto Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/benedicto.jpg

Cacho Mansion (now WVSU Hospital)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/cacho.jpg

Lopez Colonial Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/colonial.jpg

Bishop's Palace
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/bishop.jpg

Iloilo Then and Now Photos

Images of Oldé Yloilo, from 1900 to 1935

Casa Real (Iloilo Provincial Capitol)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/capitol.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pc0cfd6bf5b443936f4254f76a36edb8d/f13f024c.jpg

Warehouses along Muelle Loney
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/warehouses.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pef533d974cc0da7af9af9364bb38c443/f155ba47.jpg

J. M. Basa Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/basajm.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/p48dde6cb88f4217c748faa10fe82542d/f14d4a9e.jpg


Iloilo Central Market
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/market.jpg

Uy Bico Building
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/uybico.jpg

Sinamay weavers
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sinamay.jpg

Hangar of the Iloilo-Negros Air Express Co. (Inaec),
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/inaec.jpg
the first commercial airline in the Philippines.

Iloilo Post Office
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/postofc.jpg

PLDT Building
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/pldt.jpg

Iloilo Customs House
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/customs.jpg
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/gaki/cusyomeh.jpg

Iloilo Provincial Jail
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jail.jpg

Philippine National Bank
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/pnb.jpg

Colegio del Sagrado Corazon de Jesus
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sagrado.jpg

University of San Agustin
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sanag.jpg

Iloilo Japanese School
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/japschool.jpg

Anti-Tuberculosis Society
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/anti-tb.jpg

Iloilo St. Paul Hospital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/stpaul.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1071951/St.PaulsHospital.jpg

Iloilo Mission Hispital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/mission.jpg

Asilo de San Vicente de Paul
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/asilo.jpg

Aerial view of Iloilo Mission Hospital
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/mission2.jpg

-------------------------
J. M. Basa Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jmbasa2.jpg
http://p.vtourist.com/1/1887184-The_Commoner_along_JM_Basa_St-Iloilo_City.jpg

Plazoleta Gay
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/plazoleta.jpg
http://chymera.freespaces.com/mylokality/photos/jmbasast3.jpg

Iznart Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/iznart.jpg

Iznart Street
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/iznart2.jpg

Arroyo Fountain
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/arroyo.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/pc0cfd6bf5b443936f4254f76a36edb8d/f13f024c.jpg

San Jose Parish Church
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/sanjose.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid195/p4f6448bbc699a2779ac78e5bda7b6f69/f14d4a6f.jpg

Casino Español
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/casino.jpg

Cine Eagle
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/eagle.jpg

Cine Lyric
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/lyric.jpg

Masonic Temple
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/masonic.jpg

Iloilo Golf and Country Club
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/golf.jpg

Iloilo Carnival
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/carnival.jpg

Iloilo Girls' Dormitory
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/dorm.jpg

Provincial Athletic Field
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/field.jpg

Iloilo YMCA
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/ymca.jpg

Iloilo Jockey Club (Balantang, Jaro)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/jockey.jpg

Lido Grill and Restaurant
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/lido.jpg

Dr. R. Santos Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/santos.jpg

V. Lopez Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/vlopez.jpg
http://www.pilmap.com.ph/pilmap%20(holiday%20issue)/images/iloilo-1.jpg

E. Lopez Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/elopez.jpg

Ledesma Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/ledesma.jpg

Campos Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/campos.jpg

Benedicto Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/benedicto.jpg

Cacho Mansion (now WVSU Hospital)
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/cacho.jpg

Lopez Colonial Mansion
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/colonial.jpg

Bishop's Palace
http://www.geocities.com/kabatuhan/Images/bishop.jpg

Some pics arent showing up but Casa Real and the Customs House are beautiful buildings.

Some pics arent showing up but Casa Real and the Customs House are beautiful buildings.

Pards,

Check out the "Philippines Then and Now" thread and you will find a current picture of the Ayuntamiento. It stands next to the Manila Cathedral but sadly, only the ruins remain of this once proud structure. My father used to work for the Central Bank of the Philippines and for a long while, the Central Bank used the ruins of the Ayuntamiento as a parking lot for its motor pool.

If you're facing the Manila Cathedral, it will be to your left. I hope this information helps.

Regards,
Jon

THANKS but on what page? Thanks again!

Pards,

Check out the "Philippines Then and Now" thread and you will find a current picture of the Ayuntamiento. It stands next to the Manila Cathedral but sadly, only the ruins remain of this once proud structure. My father used to work for the Central Bank of the Philippines and for a long while, the Central Bank used the ruins of the Ayuntamiento as a parking lot for its motor pool.

If you're facing the Manila Cathedral, it will be to your left. I hope this information helps.

Regards,
Jon

THANKS but on what page? Thanks again!

Tahimik yata dito lately. It's been 4 days at wala pa ring kumikibo.....

It's probably because of the holiday season; everyone's busy wrapping gifts, attending Christmas parties, preparing for the noche buena feast.

As for me, I just got tired posting. Will try to post again sometime soon.

Tahimik yata dito lately. It's been 4 days at wala pa ring kumikibo.....

It's probably because of the holiday season; everyone's busy wrapping gifts, attending Christmas parties, preparing for the noche buena feast.

As for me, I just got tired posting. Will try to post again sometime soon.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/mketran/image/383.jpg
Truck logging commonly used in Philippine Mahogany cutting operation - Nasipit Lumber Company, Agusan

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/mketran/image/383.jpg
Truck logging commonly used in Philippine Mahogany cutting operation - Nasipit Lumber Company, Agusan

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7961318982005_393913982005fr000923l.jpg

Caption says 'Manila Port area' but I believe this is Intramuros (taken in April 1968). Intramuros was neglected for so many decades after WWII.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7961318982005_393913982005fr000923l.jpg

Caption says 'Manila Port area' but I believe this is Intramuros (taken in April 1968). Intramuros was neglected for so many decades after WWII.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/5623318982005_202713982005fr000921l.jpg

http://manalang.com/philippines/images/lrg_philippines_c0027.JPG

Rizal Park

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/5623318982005_202713982005fr000921l.jpg

http://manalang.com/philippines/images/lrg_philippines_c0027.JPG

Rizal Park

http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/craig11g.jpg
The Ateneo Municipal

http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/craig11g.jpg
The Ateneo Municipal

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/mketran/image/383.jpg
Truck logging commonly used in Philippine Mahogany cutting operation - Nasipit Lumber Company, Agusan

thanks for this pic wonderboy, it brought memories of a childhood. on one of my dad's assignment somewhere in mati, davao oriental, that of truck and logs sure are treasures.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/mketran/image/383.jpg
Truck logging commonly used in Philippine Mahogany cutting operation - Nasipit Lumber Company, Agusan

thanks for this pic wonderboy, it brought memories of a childhood. on one of my dad's assignment somewhere in mati, davao oriental, that of truck and logs sure are treasures.

[QUOTE=jbkayaker12]

So did they already demolished all the remaining structures there??

You can still see a couple of structures in Intramuros that was still left standing after the war, one in particular is inside the San Agustin area, the structure at Father Blanco's garden.

[QUOTE=jbkayaker12]

So did they already demolished all the remaining structures there??

You can still see a couple of structures in Intramuros that was still left standing after the war, one in particular is inside the San Agustin area, the structure at Father Blanco's garden.

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7961318982005_393913982005fr000923l.jpg

Caption says 'Manila Port area' but I believe this is Intramuros (taken in April 1968). Intramuros was neglected for so many decades after WWII.

Thanks for posting more of the informative postwar pics, Wonderboy! This one gets me pretty PO'd, though, when I examine it closely: Intramuros had, even 20 years after the Liberation Battle, the remains of very historic structures that should have been restored! Look at Recoletos Church/Monastery in the far corner just in front of the reconstructed Congress Bldg., and next to Lyceum there are some ruined walls that look like San Juan de Dios. Sayang! Why couldn't the national govt. have followed through to help today's Filipinos have something tangible to remind themof their architectural heritage?

http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/catw/image/7961318982005_393913982005fr000923l.jpg

Caption says 'Manila Port area' but I believe this is Intramuros (taken in April 1968). Intramuros was neglected for so many decades after WWII.

Thanks for posting more of the informative postwar pics, Wonderboy! This one gets me pretty PO'd, though, when I examine it closely: Intramuros had, even 20 years after the Liberation Battle, the remains of very historic structures that should have been restored! Look at Recoletos Church/Monastery in the far corner just in front of the reconstructed Congress Bldg., and next to Lyceum there are some ruined walls that look like San Juan de Dios. Sayang! Why couldn't the national govt. have followed through to help today's Filipinos have something tangible to remind themof their architectural heritage?

Some pics arent showing up but Casa Real and the Customs House are beautiful buildings.

They show up after a while.... :)
try logging in another time to SCC - that's what I did!

Some pics arent showing up but Casa Real and the Customs House are beautiful buildings.

They show up after a while.... :)
try logging in another time to SCC - that's what I did!

@Chymera, Thanx for the great historic pics of Iloilo - nice to have some old pics from outside MM.
@ wonderful pics, as usual, from Wonderboy!

@Chymera, Thanx for the great historic pics of Iloilo - nice to have some old pics from outside MM.
@ wonderful pics, as usual, from Wonderboy!

[QUOTE=ashley12]

You can still see a couple of structures in Intramuros that was still left standing after the war, one in particular is inside the San Agustin area, the structure at Father Blanco's garden.

I have a question: Why didn't they try to rebuid the damaged structures like in Europe?

[QUOTE=ashley12]

You can still see a couple of structures in Intramuros that was still left standing after the war, one in particular is inside the San Agustin area, the structure at Father Blanco's garden.

I have a question: Why didn't they try to rebuid the damaged structures like in Europe?

[QUOTE=jbkayaker12]

I have a question: Why didn't they try to rebuid the damaged structures like in Europe?

Perhaps because of lack of funds.

[QUOTE=jbkayaker12]

I have a question: Why didn't they try to rebuid the damaged structures like in Europe?

Perhaps because of lack of funds.

All photos were taken in Ermita (1900s). I'll post the other photos on the 'Old Phil. Photo' thread

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4579.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4631.jpg
This photo kinda scared me. Sure, the woman looks lovely but doesn't she look like an 'enkanto' in disguise?

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48278.jpg

All photos were taken in Ermita (1900s). I'll post the other photos on the 'Old Phil. Photo' thread

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4579.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4631.jpg
This photo kinda scared me. Sure, the woman looks lovely but doesn't she look like an 'enkanto' in disguise?

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48278.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48304.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48564.jpg
Moral lesson: never use talcum powder if your photo will be taken (especially if it's black and white photograph) or else, you will look like 'espasol' without even trying.

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48656.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x49092.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x49580.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48304.jpg

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48564.jpg
Moral lesson: never use talcum powder if your photo will be taken (especially if it's black and white photograph) or else, you will look like 'espasol' without even trying.

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48656.jpg

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Another Franciscan Church 'within the walls.'

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Looks familiar, eh?

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Manila Cathedral

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Another rare picture of a Jesuit Church (Intramuros). Looks like a courtyard to me.

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Beautiful carved doors, St. Augustine church

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Old Church of St. Augustine, established 1563, oldest church in Manila

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An airy corridor of the college of St. Augustine, Manila (this is at Calle Real del Palacio - [now Gen. Luna Street], Intramuros)

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St. Thomas Place and the Dominican Church, Manila (photo taken in 1929)

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Interior of the Church of St. Ignatius, Manila

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The Pulpit - Church of St. Ignatius, Manila

There are tons more but I don't have the luxury of time to browse the whole day. Will post more photos anytime soon.

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/ku69460.jpg
Another Franciscan Church 'within the walls.'

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4559.jpg
Looks familiar, eh?

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/specialtopics/photographers/white_f//details/ku98826.jpg
Manila Cathedral

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/ku24604.jpg
Another rare picture of a Jesuit Church (Intramuros). Looks like a courtyard to me.

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/ku24448.jpg
Beautiful carved doors, St. Augustine church

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x49171.jpg
Old Church of St. Augustine, established 1563, oldest church in Manila

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x10676.jpg
An airy corridor of the college of St. Augustine, Manila (this is at Calle Real del Palacio - [now Gen. Luna Street], Intramuros)

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/g8933.jpg
St. Thomas Place and the Dominican Church, Manila (photo taken in 1929)

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x4566.jpg
Interior of the Church of St. Ignatius, Manila

http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x48696.jpg
The Pulpit - Church of St. Ignatius, Manila

There are tons more but I don't have the luxury of time to browse the whole day. Will post more photos anytime soon.

^^ Amazing photos! Do they still retain those designs today?

^^ Amazing photos! Do they still retain those designs today?

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Japanese prisoners in Manila 1945.
Prisioneros japoneses en Manila 1945.

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Japanese prisoners in Manila 1945.
Prisioneros japoneses en Manila 1945.

^^ All I know is that St Ignacio church was bombed out during WWII and so was Sto Domingo church (the gothic looking one). I like the pic of the Calle Real - reminds me of Venice's Ponte dei Sospiri.

^^ All I know is that St Ignacio church was bombed out during WWII and so was Sto Domingo church (the gothic looking one). I like the pic of the Calle Real - reminds me of Venice's Ponte dei Sospiri.

All photos were taken in Ermita (1900s). I'll post the other photos on the 'Old Phil. Photo' thread



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This photo kinda scared me. Sure, the woman looks lovely but doesn't she look like an 'enkanto' in disguise?



She reminds me of an ideal "diwata" character in an old Filipino story. :)

All photos were taken in Ermita (1900s). I'll post the other photos on the 'Old Phil. Photo' thread



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This photo kinda scared me. Sure, the woman looks lovely but doesn't she look like an 'enkanto' in disguise?



She reminds me of an ideal "diwata" character in an old Filipino story. :)

^^ very mistisa looking.

^^ very mistisa looking.

She reminds me of an ideal "diwata" character in an old Filipino story. :)
she's alittle bit scarry.

She reminds me of an ideal "diwata" character in an old Filipino story. :)
she's alittle bit scarry.

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

Thanks for posting more of the informative postwar pics, Wonderboy! This one gets me pretty PO'd, though, when I examine it closely: Intramuros had, even 20 years after the Liberation Battle, the remains of very historic structures that should have been restored! Look at Recoletos Church/Monastery in the far corner just in front of the reconstructed Congress Bldg., and next to Lyceum there are some ruined walls that look like San Juan de Dios. Sayang! Why couldn't the national govt. have followed through to help today's Filipinos have something tangible to remind themof their architectural heritage?


I think it's due to lack of vision and imagination +kurakot galore....
The govt preferred such kitsch monuments such as the CCP and Nayong Filipino.

Thanks for posting more of the informative postwar pics, Wonderboy! This one gets me pretty PO'd, though, when I examine it closely: Intramuros had, even 20 years after the Liberation Battle, the remains of very historic structures that should have been restored! Look at Recoletos Church/Monastery in the far corner just in front of the reconstructed Congress Bldg., and next to Lyceum there are some ruined walls that look like San Juan de Dios. Sayang! Why couldn't the national govt. have followed through to help today's Filipinos have something tangible to remind themof their architectural heritage?


I think it's due to lack of vision and imagination +kurakot galore....
The govt preferred such kitsch monuments such as the CCP and Nayong Filipino.

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

Shall we just say she's beautiful in an "unearthly" way. :)

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

Shall we just say she's beautiful in an "unearthly" way. :)

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

coz she's posing with all those banana plants like some "engkanto" or something, a white lady perhaps... a good looking white lady :D

How is she scary looking? She's beautiful!

coz she's posing with all those banana plants like some "engkanto" or something, a white lady perhaps... a good looking white lady :D

WOW :shocked: beautiful filipina and churches. How many churches were there in Intramuros before the war? Just Manila Cathedral and San Agustin survived yea?

WOW :shocked: beautiful filipina and churches. How many churches were there in Intramuros before the war? Just Manila Cathedral and San Agustin survived yea?

:) when I was a kid, I'm afraid looking at my grandma's pictures during her teenage days. she's really pretty but I really find those photos scary. maybe because of the black and white effect. parang mysterious ang mga kuha.

:) when I was a kid, I'm afraid looking at my grandma's pictures during her teenage days. she's really pretty but I really find those photos scary. maybe because of the black and white effect. parang mysterious ang mga kuha.

:) when I was a kid, I'm afraid looking at my grandma's pictures during her teenage days. she's really pretty but I really find those photos scary. maybe because of the black and white effect. parang mysterious ang mga kuha.
thats what I'm talking about ...:)

:) when I was a kid, I'm afraid looking at my grandma's pictures during her teenage days. she's really pretty but I really find those photos scary. maybe because of the black and white effect. parang mysterious ang mga kuha.
thats what I'm talking about ...:)

^^ I have a different view about black and white photos. I find them really elegant and the effect just gives the "timeless" look on the individual. I saw a few black and white's of my grandparents and my dad's family picture and it looked nice. I wished I have them, because I know I asked my aunt to scan it so that we can make a family tree diagram/website.

^^ I have a different view about black and white photos. I find them really elegant and the effect just gives the "timeless" look on the individual. I saw a few black and white's of my grandparents and my dad's family picture and it looked nice. I wished I have them, because I know I asked my aunt to scan it so that we can make a family tree diagram/website.

WOW :shocked: beautiful filipina and churches. How many churches were there in Intramuros before the war? Just Manila Cathedral and San Agustin survived yea?

Someone said there were seven primary churches sa loob ng Maynila before the war--someone correct me if this is wrong:
1) Augustinian (San Agustin aka San Pablo)
2) Jesuit (San Ignacio)
3) Capuchin (Our Lady of Lourdes)
4) Recoletos (San Nicolas de Tolentino)
5) Dominican (Santo Domingo)
6) Franciscan (Nuestra Senora de los Angeles)
7) Franciscan (Capilla de la Venerable Orden Tercera)
...and I this doesn't include the chapels attached to each Catholic college and convent: Sta. Clara, Beaterio, Sto. Tomas, Sta Catalina, Sta. Isabel, (did Ateneo have one, too?) and the Hospicio de San Juan de Dios. Feel free to add on to the list! I think there was once a Colegio de San Jose as well.

WOW :shocked: beautiful filipina and churches. How many churches were there in Intramuros before the war? Just Manila Cathedral and San Agustin survived yea?

Someone said there were seven primary churches sa loob ng Maynila before the war--someone correct me if this is wrong:
1) Augustinian (San Agustin aka San Pablo)
2) Jesuit (San Ignacio)
3) Capuchin (Our Lady of Lourdes)
4) Recoletos (San Nicolas de Tolentino)
5) Dominican (Santo Domingo)
6) Franciscan (Nuestra Senora de los Angeles)
7) Franciscan (Capilla de la Venerable Orden Tercera)
...and I this doesn't include the chapels attached to each Catholic college and convent: Sta. Clara, Beaterio, Sto. Tomas, Sta Catalina, Sta. Isabel, (did Ateneo have one, too?) and the Hospicio de San Juan de Dios. Feel free to add on to the list! I think there was once a Colegio de San Jose as well.

Someone said there were seven primary churches sa loob ng Maynila before the war--someone correct me if this is wrong:
1) Augustinian (San Agustin aka San Pablo)
2) Jesuit (San Ignacio)
3) Capuchin (Our Lady of Lourdes)
4) Recoletos (San Nicolas de Tolentino)
5) Dominican (Santo Domingo)
6) Franciscan (Nuestra Senora de los Angeles)
7) Franciscan (Capilla de la Venerable Orden Tercera)
...and I this doesn't include the chapels attached to each Catholic college and convent: Sta. Clara, Beaterio, Sto. Tomas, Sta Catalina, Sta. Isabel, (did Ateneo have one, too?) and the Hospicio de San Juan de Dios. Feel free to add on to the list! I think there was once a Colegio de San Jose as well.

I remember reading somewhere that there were 17 in Intramuros...i'm not 100% sure though...maybe this is why the Americans referred to Manila as the Rome of Asia.

Someone said there were seven primary churches sa loob ng Maynila before the war--someone correct me if this is wrong:
1) Augustinian (San Agustin aka San Pablo)
2) Jesuit (San Ignacio)
3) Capuchin (Our Lady of Lourdes)
4) Recoletos (San Nicolas de Tolentino)
5) Dominican (Santo Domingo)
6) Franciscan (Nuestra Senora de los Angeles)
7) Franciscan (Capilla de la Venerable Orden Tercera)
...and I this doesn't include the chapels attached to each Catholic college and convent: Sta. Clara, Beaterio, Sto. Tomas, Sta Catalina, Sta. Isabel, (did Ateneo have one, too?) and the Hospicio de San Juan de Dios. Feel free to add on to the list! I think there was once a Colegio de San Jose as well.

I remember reading somewhere that there were 17 in Intramuros...i'm not 100% sure though...maybe this is why the Americans referred to Manila as the Rome of Asia.

yes, i saw old pre war pics of intramuros and it was very nice. i saw some pics during the liberation and it really disheartened me seeing those american tanks passing through the thick walls of intramuros. the americans should pay for the restoration as what they did to germany.

yes, i saw old pre war pics of intramuros and it was very nice. i saw some pics during the liberation and it really disheartened me seeing those american tanks passing through the thick walls of intramuros. the americans should pay for the restoration as what they did to germany.

yes, i saw old pre war pics of intramuros and it was very nice. i saw some pics during the liberation and it really disheartened me seeing those american tanks passing through the thick walls of intramuros. the americans should pay for the restoration as what they did to germany.

I was saying that in my other post. That how come they rebuild the "Old Europe" and not the "Rome of Asia".

yes, i saw old pre war pics of intramuros and it was very nice. i saw some pics during the liberation and it really disheartened me seeing those american tanks passing through the thick walls of intramuros. the americans should pay for the restoration as what they did to germany.

I was saying that in my other post. That how come they rebuild the "Old Europe" and not the "Rome of Asia".

P.S. sana the manila archdiocese should help in restoring those churches. after all it is the third richest archdiocese in the world.

P.S. sana the manila archdiocese should help in restoring those churches. after all it is the third richest archdiocese in the world.

Siguro the issue may lie in part with the national government--just think if Marcos had used his dictatorial powers to seize control of the Walled City to have his technocrats hire international experts to reconstruct/restore original structures according to the archived plans in Spain? It seems we've allowed the gov't to become co-opted by too many special interests to maintain any controlled reconstruction after the war. Siyempre the US and Japan should be the major donors to this project, and I wish National Geographic would do a write-up on it!

Siguro the issue may lie in part with the national government--just think if Marcos had used his dictatorial powers to seize control of the Walled City to have his technocrats hire international experts to reconstruct/restore original structures according to the archived plans in Spain? It seems we've allowed the gov't to become co-opted by too many special interests to maintain any controlled reconstruction after the war. Siyempre the US and Japan should be the major donors to this project, and I wish National Geographic would do a write-up on it!

actually ,most of those reconstructed houses beside san agustin church were done by imelda. but unfortunately no church was reconstructed.

actually ,most of those reconstructed houses beside san agustin church were done by imelda. but unfortunately no church was reconstructed.

Yes, and the Madame also allowed one of her cronies to build that freakin' ugly Traders Royal Bank on the site of the old Palacio del Gobernador.

Yes, and the Madame also allowed one of her cronies to build that freakin' ugly Traders Royal Bank on the site of the old Palacio del Gobernador.

Yes, and the Madame also allowed one of her cronies to build that freakin' ugly Traders Royal Bank on the site of the old Palacio del Gobernador.

If I'm not mistaken, you;re referring to that unsightly red-orange rectangular building that dominates the Intramuros skyline?

Yes, and the Madame also allowed one of her cronies to build that freakin' ugly Traders Royal Bank on the site of the old Palacio del Gobernador.

If I'm not mistaken, you;re referring to that unsightly red-orange rectangular building that dominates the Intramuros skyline?

Cool pics, especially the Franciscan one!



The one described as a Jesuit Church is Santo Domingo from Plaza Benavides w/UST on the left side


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An airy corridor of the college of St. Augustine, Manila (this is at Calle Real del Palacio - [now Gen. Luna Street], Intramuros)
The ornate building on the left is the one that was badly recon and allegedly owned by a Marcos crony

Cool pics, especially the Franciscan one!



The one described as a Jesuit Church is Santo Domingo from Plaza Benavides w/UST on the left side


http://138.23.124.164/images/kmast2/geographic/asia/philippineislands/luzon/details/x10676.jpg
An airy corridor of the college of St. Augustine, Manila (this is at Calle Real del Palacio - [now Gen. Luna Street], Intramuros)
The ornate building on the left is the one that was badly recon and allegedly owned by a Marcos crony

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, same as Bangkok :bash: )

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, same as Bangkok :bash: )

I was saying that in my other post. That how come they rebuild the "Old Europe" and not the "Rome of Asia".

Perhaps the answer to that question is also the answer to mine:
Why did the americans spent huge amounts of resources and sent vast numbers of US troops for the liberation of Europe but was content to drop bombs carelessly all over the RP? Many American historians are themselves now questioning the tactics MacArthur used.

I was saying that in my other post. That how come they rebuild the "Old Europe" and not the "Rome of Asia".

Perhaps the answer to that question is also the answer to mine:
Why did the americans spent huge amounts of resources and sent vast numbers of US troops for the liberation of Europe but was content to drop bombs carelessly all over the RP? Many American historians are themselves now questioning the tactics MacArthur used.

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, sme as Bangkok :bash:)

Thanks for the compliments, cHemon. I guess Manila was less fortunate than Bangkok in that it became World War II's worst-devastated city in Asia.

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, sme as Bangkok :bash:)

Thanks for the compliments, cHemon. I guess Manila was less fortunate than Bangkok in that it became World War II's worst-devastated city in Asia.

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, sme as Bangkok :bash:)

That's a good point Chemon - it takes a foreigner to make us realise how much we lost during WWII - it was what made Manila unique in Asia. Without all this - it;s just like any Asian metropolis - neon signs + pollution minus culture.

At least you have temples in Bangkok and a culture that remains vibrant and authentic - whereas we were truly robbed of our heritage.

Wow! I envy you guys that there're so many old photos of Manila.
I wish I have more Bangkok photos in the old day.

Old Manila is fantastic
Sorry to say this but most of them are more beautiful than Manila in the present day (esp. those powerlines, cables and billboard, sme as Bangkok :bash:)

That's a good point Chemon - it takes a foreigner to make us realise how much we lost during WWII - it was what made Manila unique in Asia. Without all this - it;s just like any Asian metropolis - neon signs + pollution minus culture.

At least you have temples in Bangkok and a culture that remains vibrant and authentic - whereas we were truly robbed of our heritage.

If I'm not mistaken, you;re referring to that unsightly red-orange rectangular building that dominates the Intramuros skyline?

YESSIREE! And at the time, the Marcos admin allowed that orange thing to match the height of the Cathedral's bell tower (circumventing the Walled City building ordinance prohibiting any structure from EXCEEDING the height of the Cathedral's campanile. I wish they'd tear it down along with the one that occupies the site of old Santo Domingo.

If I'm not mistaken, you;re referring to that unsightly red-orange rectangular building that dominates the Intramuros skyline?

YESSIREE! And at the time, the Marcos admin allowed that orange thing to match the height of the Cathedral's bell tower (circumventing the Walled City building ordinance prohibiting any structure from EXCEEDING the height of the Cathedral's campanile. I wish they'd tear it down along with the one that occupies the site of old Santo Domingo.

I guess one positive thing we can say is that Manila's present mayor is taking a lot more interest in preserving Intramuros than his jaded predecessors - and I hope he has better architectural tastes than Madame and her cronies.

I guess one positive thing we can say is that Manila's present mayor is taking a lot more interest in preserving Intramuros than his jaded predecessors - and I hope he has better architectural tastes than Madame and her cronies.

I guess one positive thing we can say is that Manila's present mayor is taking a lot more interest in preserving Intramuros than his jaded predecessors - and I hope he has better architectural tastes than Madame and her cronies.


Heeheeheehee---Jai Alai?

I guess one positive thing we can say is that Manila's present mayor is taking a lot more interest in preserving Intramuros than his jaded predecessors - and I hope he has better architectural tastes than Madame and her cronies.


Heeheeheehee---Jai Alai?

well, we'll hope that intramuros would be restored to even half of what it used to be.

well, we'll hope that intramuros would be restored to even half of what it used to be.

^^Yup, they've at least managed to rebuild most of the walls and gates. There are some tacky things like the Casa de Manila, but I suppose that's better than nothing. I would get really excited if they start rebuilding the old Palacio and Ayutamiento or some of those great churches.

^^Yup, they've at least managed to rebuild most of the walls and gates. There are some tacky things like the Casa de Manila, but I suppose that's better than nothing. I would get really excited if they start rebuilding the old Palacio and Ayutamiento or some of those great churches.

Thanks for the compliments, cHemon. I guess Manila was less fortunate than Bangkok in that it became World War II's worst-devastated city in Asia.

That's a good point Chemon - it takes a foreigner to make us realise how much we lost during WWII - it was what made Manila unique in Asia. Without all this - it;s just like any Asian metropolis - neon signs + pollution minus culture.

At least you have temples in Bangkok and a culture that remains vibrant and authentic - whereas we were truly robbed of our heritage.


I admit I don't know much about the History of WWII.
Not much of the storires about WWII are taught in school in Thailand, maybe because we took the wrong side, willing or forcedly I'm not sure.)

Bangkok also suffered a lot from WWII. Eventough It's not as much as Manila but some of our ancient temples, historic building inthe old part of Banhkok were totally destroyed.

Thanks for the compliments, cHemon. I guess Manila was less fortunate than Bangkok in that it became World War II's worst-devastated city in Asia.

That's a good point Chemon - it takes a foreigner to make us realise how much we lost during WWII - it was what made Manila unique in Asia. Without all this - it;s just like any Asian metropolis - neon signs + pollution minus culture.

At least you have temples in Bangkok and a culture that remains vibrant and authentic - whereas we were truly robbed of our heritage.


I admit I don't know much about the History of WWII.
Not much of the storires about WWII are taught in school in Thailand, maybe because we took the wrong side, willing or forcedly I'm not sure.)

Bangkok also suffered a lot from WWII. Eventough It's not as much as Manila but some of our ancient temples, historic building inthe old part of Banhkok were totally destroyed.