Name : 159 Ratchadamri Road (Tentative)
Location : 159 Ratcahdamri Road (Replacing Ratchadamri Mansion, Toyota Ratchadamri and Former JETRO Building)
Project Description : 50 Storey Residential Apartment Tower
Project Ower : Crown Property Bureau
Demolition Start : Feb 2006
Construction Start : August 2006
Construction finishs : October 2009

Mar 30, 2006 :

The Ratchadamri Apartment, JETRO Building and Toyota Ratchadamri are all being brought down.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2348/p10206635qo.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7381/p10206617ci.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/476/p10206625hm.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8420/p10206609pb.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/894/p10206649tt.jpg

WOW!!!!

52 storeys right on Ratchadamri rd.

What a good news for today!!!

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

maginfic, i thought Four seanson was involved in that deal!

maginfic, i thought Four seanson was involved in that deal!

Yes, But somehow it showing only as an "leasees" not the "owner"..hehe :)

THAT'S SOOOOO WICKED!!!! :eek2::eek2::eek2::runaway:

that's great for Ratchadamri.

Very good location. Close to BTS :)

Will they use an explosive material to clear those buildings?

Woah!!! Great news! Hope the design is brilliant.

Really great news. Ratchadamri and Langsuan will get denser and denser!!

You go girl ratchadamri

Why can't they find uglier buildings ( and there are so many in Bangkok) to bring down to make spot for this building

^^ I agree, but this is probably where it makes economic sense for them to build.

..and yeah 52 storeys!! :happy: Should make it almost as tall as L&H Hotel.

^^ This one should be taller. :D

Could be, and I hope so :)

But this is why I guess it won't reach the same height.. L&H will be a hotel which usually has more space between the floors than residentials. I don't know what use it was designed for before it was initially suspended though, so maybe it has 'residential floor heights' anyway. The pointy top should also bring the height up a little more than the floor numbers suggest ;)

This one will be slightly shorter than The L&H, due to Height limitation that calculated between the ratio of Ratchadamri Road and the site.

Location : 159 Ratcahdamri Road (Replacing Ratchadamri Mansion, Toyota Ratchadamri and Former JETRO Building)
Chad, which is the former JETRO building? Is this the present one?
http://www.jetro.go.jp/thailand/e/images/history1.jpg

Thats the present one yes....

Here is what being torndown.
http://www.jetro.go.jp/thailand/e/images/hpic3.jpg

Whew.. what a relief! I really like that new one :)

เหอๆ I'm confused now. So how many/ which ones will be brought down??

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7381/p10206617ci.jpg
^^This one, Jetro, right?

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8420/p10206609pb.jpg
^^ This one? What's its name? Ratchadamri Mansion?

And what is Toyota Ratchadamri?

:?

BOTH.

Thats why I wrote.

1. Ratchadamri Mansion (The 15 Storey)
2. Toyota Ratchadamri (Part of The Low-rise)
3. JETRO Building (Part of the Low-rise)

All will be gone.

ahhh thanks.

I didn't know that Toyota Ratchadamri and JETRO Building is in the same building.

;)

Anyone got the design yet?

OH WHAT TA HEAVEN!!!!!


SO HOT HOT HOT HOT .....SO CROWDED CROWDED CROWDED...

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Oh! Great relief, I thought that new Jetro building will be destroyed.

wow! hurry we wanna see render..

Chad, which is the former JETRO building? Is this the present one?
http://www.jetro.go.jp/thailand/e/images/history1.jpg

I thought this one used to be the Thai-Obayashi building?

Yes, but JETRO also occupied it :)

I think Thai-Obayashi still there. Jetro occupies only some floors.

yes.

sorry, i am a bit confused also. they will destruct that nice white apartment building???

yes yes yes.

as I wrote. "Ratchadamri Apartment" too.

It's 45 Storey

Sorry every one.

They scaled down the height to pass the EIA.
The plan of 52 Storey was rejected on March 29.
Now approving for the scaled down version at 45 Storey.

:cry:

dude, 45 Storey is taller than everything in the area already except
The Royal Ratchadamri and L&H Hotel...;)

:cry:
:pet: :ohno:

we are probably the only country that can't have tall buildings with the limited height in downtown. So stupid and old school minded

very disappointing indeed.

we are probably the only country that can't have tall buildings with the limited height in downtown. So stupid and old school minded

Agree!! and many Thais don't like highrises too. They always think that highrise building is ugly. :bash: :bash:
Of course many Thais say that Bangkok is too crowded and dense.... but I think Bangkok can be more crowded and denser with good masstransit systems and skyscrapers!! When you look from the BTS you can see many empty land plots throughout the city area.... :(

dude, 45 Storey is taller than everything in the area already except
The Royal Ratchadamri and L&H Hotel...;)

ic, just curious about how tall wil it be? because like the United Center has 46 storeys but the height is 186 m. so..;)

I'm not sure about the exact number of this one, but The L&H Hotel has a higher floor-to-ceiling level plus it's ginormous spire-dome crown.

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U need to contact those individual owners or developers for the rental informations, not the crown Property...:)

For example :

http://www.assetauction.co.th/

April 25, 2006 :

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/6928/p10301185tt.jpg

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4086/p10301192fc.jpg

I am just curious that how can they destroy this building?
will they use an explosive material or just knock it by hammer?

I've never seen any explosion in Thailand before...

^^^me too, I've seen it from TV, they exploded old building in America. Don't know if this one will be the first case of that in Thailand.

that destruction is also a concern to me...

if they would blow it up I dont think they would put up those red construction walkways or whatever you call it. They will probably stand there and hammer with a little hammer :D.

I dont think explosive will works in that area, the road is too narrow and neighbor buildings are too close.

May 16, 2006 :

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1337/p10306144op.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3505/p10306157zs.jpg

what's that hotel???.........
4Seasons??...............

Correcto.

Nice n complex roof they got

May 24, 2006 :

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4053/p10308108xk.jpg

^^^me too, I've seen it from TV, they exploded old building in America. Don't know if this one will be the first case of that in Thailand.

oh... they've never?

well... I guess theres really no reason to bring any building down in Thailand... still full of open lots

May 16, 2006 :

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1337/p10306144op.jpg

So the blue one in this pic is actually not Hansa, right?

:)

nO.

;) Is it correct?


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/cHemon2/Ratchadamri.jpg

You forgot the Court Yard by Marriott and Le Pied.

added

where?..:D

มาแว้ว
:D

cHemon, why I cannot see Both Le Pied and Court Yard???

I don't know how hotlink/photobucket works.

คือพอลบรูปเก่าออกไปแล้ว แล้วเอารูปใหม่ที่ชื่อเหมือนเดิมอัพโหลดลงเข้าไปใน photobucket
พอ hotlink รูปใหม่มา ใน ssc มันก็ยังโชว์รูปเก่าอ่ะ
รอหลายนาทีมาก กว่าจะขึ้นเป็นรูปใหม่ ตอนนี้เราเห็นรูปใหม่ละนะ
นายยังไม่เห็นหรอ

:?

NO.

Try www.imageshack.us

นายลอง log out แล้วค่อยเข้ามาใหม่ดิ๊
อิอิ มั่วๆๆๆ

:D

Still...doesnt work.

I suggest u change the file name and then upload it again.

anybody can confirm Hansa residence location? i thought it was similar that 159 ratchadamri..

NO. Hansa is "BEHIND" The 4 Seasons.

Just like in cHemon's MAP

;) Is it correct?


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/cHemon2/Ratchadamri.jpg

นายลอง log out แล้วค่อยเข้ามาใหม่ดิ๊
อิอิ มั่วๆๆๆ

:D

This is a common problem with IE...

IE (Internet Exploere) works with its own memory system..

If you don't see the new file while it has been changed ... you have to press key "Ctrl" + "F5" on your keyboard..

"Ctrl" + "F5" key is a command key to refresh the memory in your system..and IE will load the newest file from the server instead of the old one.

:)

great! so it is very busy then!!! poor Regent one... after losing the silence, it will lose the views

soon will be 360 degrees blcked...:(

as for four season,llol!!!270 degrees blocked.

There will be more than 700 residential windows over looking the Four Seasons pool...:D:D

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6258/rajdamrifinalle9du.jpg

Loving Ratchadamri

This is a common problem with IE...

IE (Internet Exploere) works with its own memory system..

If you don't see the new file while it has been changed ... you have to press key "Ctrl" + "F5" on your keyboard..

"Ctrl" + "F5" key is a command key to refresh the memory in your system..and IE will load the newest file from the server instead of the old one.

:)

Thanks
That my new knowledge.
I also thought that it might be sth like that but i didn't know how to deal with it.

:)

Chad, It seems you already have the render of this building. Could you share with us?

Thanks
That my new knowledge.
I also thought that it might be sth like that but i didn't know how to deal with it.

:)

You'r welcome.. ;)

And another solution is like Chad said..

Changing the file name...

:)

Chad, I'm a bit confused. You said this one is 'residential apartment'. Is it a 'serviced apartment' or 'condo'?

^^^^He meant, it is a serviced apartment. :)

June 2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/peteybong248/LH.jpg

whoa! it's titan.. nice pic petey..Is that the last floor?

^^ It's supposed to be a thread for 159 Ratchadamri.

อิอิ :D

Oops.hehehe...that building is really eye-catching

nonoooooooo, That one is L&H Hotel...:)

lol my bad

June 8, 2006 :

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6806/img43683zy.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3441/img43722mv.jpg

did they already break down some floors?

3 floors down already.

Four Season is very green.

Jul 1, 2006 :

Almost gone with the wind..:D

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/4946/p10403015gp.jpg

Jul 17, 2006 :

Almost all gone

http://static.flickr.com/71/191488321_a2e7d2ede4_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/69/191488319_564bfdd0d5_o.jpg

owners at lower floors in Regent Tower will be happy to get a view... for few months ;)

Good!!! They have torn it down very neat!!.

yes, looks to be a great job!

Their demolition work is the neatest I've ever seen in Thailand.

Japanese company :D

owners at lower floors in Regent Tower will be happy to get a view... for few months ;)

yeah but in exchange for LOTS of banging & bashing for months :bash: :poke: :wallbash: :bash:

Aug 12, 2006 :

Almost completely gone

http://static.flickr.com/57/213022474_7181e2092f_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/78/213022476_9ea7370bca_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/96/213022477_12f0cedbc4_o.jpg

07/09/2006

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3848/dscn2417nz4.jpg

YAY!!! Completely gone!!!

i am VERY impressed by the quality of this jpd. fast and niet! don't know who executes that 'destruction' but very well done! ios there any other similar cas happenned in central bangkok?

Cool!!! as i really can't wait any longer.

Sep 14, 2006: :)



http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2006-09-12/P9140035.jpg

i cant see the building at all,,

i cant see the building at all,,

^^^How can you see it, it hasn't even started yet.....what you see is its site and pilling will start soon. :weirdo:

Thanks for the update mosaic :)

Sep 25, 2006: :)


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2006-09-25/P9250001.jpg

Oct 15, 2006::)


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2006-10-15/PA150009.jpg

==double post==

Nov 2, 2006:

still the same:)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2006-11-2/PB020002.jpg

^^^^^ 'tis a shame

คงกำลังหาผู้รับเหมาอยู่ :)

The building will house a Fourseasons Hotel, a Full Serviced Residence manage by Four Seasons Vacation club and a gigantic Spa facilities managed by Anantara aswell.

^^
ใครออกแบบตึกนี้ คุณ chad พอจะทราบมั้ยครับ ? แล้วจะเริ่มสร้างเมื่อไหร่หง่ะ

The name has been changed to Ratchadamri Towers.

Construction will commence @ Feb 26...:)

The name has been changed to Ratchadamri Towers.

Construction will commence @ Feb 26...:)

มี 2 ตึกเหรอครับ ?? :?

รอ render อยู่นะครับ เพราะ tread นี้ยังไม่เคยแปะรูปตึกนี้เลยสักรูป :tongue3:

Minor planning a major push into high-end property market

Hotel and leisure company Minor International is stepping into the property business by investing in two luxury residential projects on Koh Samui and in Bangkok with price tags of up to Bt150 million per unit.

The first is the 14-unit Samui Beach Residence, a part of the company's Four Seasons Hotel on Koh Samui. The hotel and residences cost Bt1 billion. The company has also set aside another Bt3.5 billion to develop a high-end hotel and condominium project in Bangkok, scheduled to open late in 2009.

"The Minor Group is going into the property sector and we are aiming for the high-end," said Minor International's chief financial officer, Pratana Manomaiphiboon.

One unit, worth Bt100 million, has already been sold at the Samui Beach Residence. The Bangkok condominium project, once more located next to the company's Four Seasons Bangkok Hotel, has yet to be named, but it will also target high-end buyers.

The six-star Four Seasons Bangkok Hotel will have 220 rooms, while the condominium will offer 74 units with a starting price of Bt25 million.

Last year, revenues from the property business accounted for only 1 per cent, or Bt97 million, of Minor International's total revenues of Bt12 billion. Of its 2006 consolidated performance, food service earned the biggest proportion of revenues, with Bt6.4 billion or 52 per cent, followed by the company's hotel business, which generated Bt4.8 billion or 39 per cent. The rest was from retail properties, the spa business and entertainment.

Apart from the expansion of its property interests, Pratana said the group's core food and hotel businesses will both grow this year.

The group will open 70 to 80 new outlets per year for its major brands The Pizza Company, Swensen's and Sizzler in Thailand, China, the Middle East and Southeast Asia. It expects franchise operations to grow from 15 per cent of total outlets to 40 per cent.

"Of the 70 to 80 new outlets, 40 per cent will be overseas and 60 per cent in Thailand," Pratana said.

The company's hotel and residence business is expected to grow by 500 rooms per year, including the company's own hotels and those it manages under its Anantara brand.

Last year, Minor International opened three properties under different brands in the Maldives - Bodu Huraa, Anantara and Naladhu. It also opened two hotels in Thailand - the Four Seasons Tented Camp and the Four Seasons Samui.

It also signed management deals for five hotels, the Anantara Seminyak Bali in Indonesia, the Anantara Hoi An in Vietnam and three hotels in the United Arab Emirates - the Anantara Jumeirah Lake, the Palm Jumeirah and Tiara Tower. The group also plans to expand its business in China, Sri Lanka and India.

Source : THE NATION : March 7, 2007

It's 50 Storey!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

YAY!!!! :D:D:D

Minor plans B10bn outlay
Four-year plan for hotel and food units

PITSINEE JITPLEECHEEP

Minor International Plc plans to spend 10 billion baht over four years to expand its hotel, food and residential businesses. Most of the 3.5 billion baht earmarked for this year will be used to develop the Ratchadamri residential project. Construction has already begun and the project is scheduled for opening in 2009, according to chief financial officer Pratana Manomaiphiboon.

Located next to the company's Four Seasons Hotel on Ratchadamri Road, the project has 250 hotel rooms on 30 floors and 75 luxury residential units on 20 floors.

The remaining investment budget for the year will go to expanding and renovating existing food outlets, spas and other retail businesses.


Pratana: "2007 is a transitional year." — PHRAKRIT JUNTAWONG

Minor will spend about 2.8 billion baht next year and 2.6 billion baht in 2009 to expand its hotel and food networks. Another 1.5 billion baht will be used to renovate hotels, Ms Pratana said during a meeting with investors at the Stock Exchange of Thailand yesterday.

The investment will come from the company's cash flow and the exercise of 250 million warrants by next February.

''2007 is a transitional year in which we are offloading assets and moving toward a business model that focuses on managing other assets using their own brands or brands specially created for other owners or investors,'' said Mrs Pratana.

Prapharat Tangkawattana, a senior finance director, added that the policy would speed up expansion without the need for too large an investment.

Currently, Minor offers a hotel-management service through the Anantara brand for four hotels in Hua Hin, Chiang Rai, Samui and the Maldives. The number of hotels under its joint ventures and management contracts will increase to over 30 in 2010 due to new openings in Sri Lanka, Bali, Vietnam, India, China, Dubai and the Middle East.

Minor has created the Tiara brand for hotels in Middle East, with a condition that investors must open five hotels for it to manage within 10 years. The first Tiara hotel will be opened late next year.

Ms Prapharat said that through such expansion, the number of hotel rooms under its management, at around 500 today, would multiply in the next four years, compared to 300-400 rooms in the past three or four years.

For its food business, Minor plans to increase the number of its food outlets by 82% to 1,147 outlets in 2010, from 631 outlets in 2006. Of the 516 new outlets, 179 will be opened in Thailand, 160 in China, 129 in the Middle East and 48 in Southeast Asia.

Minor's food brands include The Pizza Company, Swensen's, Sizzler, Dairy Queen, Burger King and its Asian fast-food chain, Le Jazz.

For its quick-serve restaurants, same-store sales grew 9% last year, compared to 6% in 2005 while total store sales rose 23.5%, compared to 14% in 2005.

Sales of Minor International in 2006 increased 19% from its 2005 fiscal year to 12.43 billion baht while net profit soared 21% to 1.28 billion baht.

Shares of Minor International (MINT) closed yesterday on the Stock Exchange of Thailand at 10.70 baht, down 10 satang, in trade worth 31.95 million baht.

Source : Bangkokpost : March 7, 2007

Wow!!! Good to hear!!!

Indeed Ratchadamri Rocks and that plot next to the Four Seasons is one of the best in Town. It must be really really close to the BTS. That entire area develops itself to a true city center. that's good.

U mean..Four Seasons?..:D

sure! :nuts:

wow! they will expand the Four Seasons Hotel by 250 rooms and then have long-term lease luxury residential condos on top!

I hope they make the new hotel tower blend-in with architecture and style of the existing Four Seasons Hotel....

I don't like how they added "non-fitting" new towers to the cool Peninsula Hong Kong or to the majestic Taj Mahal Mumbai....

(from Flickr--fantastic Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai with non-fitting new tower)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/speedracer7/TajMumbai.jpg

Indeed Ratchadamri Rocks and that plot next to the Four Seasons is one of the best in Town. It must be really really close to the BTS. That entire area develops itself to a true city center. that's good.

and amazing unblocked views, which is difficult to find on mahalekluang now!

เอาให้เดิ้ลเหมือนที่ KL เลยนะ :cheer:
นึกภาพตึกสูงมาก 4 ตึกเรียงกันตรงนั้นแล้ว ขนลุก :uh:

50 Storeys! Excellent !!!!!

The cerulean :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/415246318_ae744933a1_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/415246321_51571bfde9_o.jpg

Cerulean Blue http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/speedracer7/ceruleanblue.jpg like the sweater in "Devil Wears Prada" :colgate:

cool 3D :okay: The Four Seasons will be surrounded by a curtain of skyscrapers....

very impressive. is Raimonds' 185 already in there. can't see it ???

Yeh, It's on your right, far right.

this area is gonna be really nice for sure..............

will be one of the areas that has the most impressive skyline.

ตาบอดสีน้ำเงิน กับ ม่วง และฟ้าซะด้วยเรา ก้อนไหนอะครับ ติดถนนเมนไหม

ตาบอดสีน้ำเงิน กับ ม่วง และฟ้าซะด้วยเรา ก้อนไหนอะครับ ติดถนนเมนไหม

ติดครับ ตรงสถานีBTS พอดีเลย:)

Mar 10, 2007:


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-03-10/P3100027.jpg


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-03-10/P3100028.jpg

Oh Thanks Mosaic ถ่ายรูปมานึกภาพออกเลยฮะ
อยู่หน้าทางขึ้น bts เลยน่าจะขายดี

ชั้นล่างๆ ถ้าทำเป็นพวก retail น่าจะดี :)

wow this getting interesting.

It will sure dominate Ratchadamri area as Center Point Ratchadamri.

20/03/2007

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3584/webdscn6342ls1.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

^^very busy at the site!!

April 4, 2007:


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P4040027.jpg


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P4040028.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P4040030.jpg

i have heard St Regis will be managing that!

Then it should be named. " St.Regis residence" :D

yeh, I'v heard abotu St. Regis coming to the area. Very nice!

so it's gonna be Four seasons or St.regis residence? still wondering ;)

April 16, 2007:


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P4150017.jpg


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P4150018.jpg

Another pure-glass tower growing!

really, do we have render?

Hurah!

ผมงงนิดหน่อย เร็วๆนี้ CEO ของบริษัทไมเนอร์ออกมาให้สัมภาษณ์ว่าตึกนี้ยังออกแบบไม่เสร็จ !! จะเสร็จราวๆปลายปีนี้ โดยจะเป็นโรงแรม30ชั้นแล้วมีคอนโดกับเซอร์วิสฯ ซ้อนข้างบนอีก 20 ชั้น ทั้งๆที่เริ่มทำฐานรากแล้วนี่นะครับ คือ ผมไม่ได้ทำงานเกี่ยวกับการก่อสร้างเลยไม่แน่ใจว่าถ้าแบบยังไม่เสร็จแล้วเค้าทำช่วงล่างอย่างนี้ได้เลยเหรอ ??

อธิบาย ง่ายๆคับ

ส่วนโครงสร้างหลัก กับ สถาปัตยกรรม แยกกัน

ส่วนโครงสร้าง คำนวนโหลดเรียบร้อย กับแบบเข็มเสร็จก็พร้อมลงเข็มได้

แต่ส่วนแบบสถาปัตยกรรม เช่นรูปด้านอาจจะยังไม่เสร็จจนกว่าจะมีการ tender ผู้รับเหมาหลัก
การ ขออนุญาติ ก่อสร้างเช่นกัน EIA สามารถ อนุโลมให้มีการก่อสร้างลงเสาเข็ม ระหว่างรอ อนุมัติได้

เป็นปรกติที่แบบจะยังไม่เสร็จคับ เพราะโดยปรกติ ขณะก่อสร้างก็มีการแก้แบบตลอดเวลา จนวันสุดท้ายของการก่อสร้างอยู่แล้ว
แทบจะเกิดขึ้นทุกวันกับการที่ สถ เขียนแบบไป งานก่อสร้างก็เดินไปพร้อมกัน

^^
ขอบคุณคุณ chad มากคับที่ให้ความกระจ่าง :bow: อยากรู้เรื่องนี้มานานแล้ว

so it's gonna be Four seasons or St.regis residence? still wondering ;)

St.Regis

The Architects is BBG BBGM.

^^^^ ...........
this will match Central World.........im dying to see their funky futuristic design...........

เห็นที่หน้าไซต์ มีป้ายบอกว่าตึกนี้เป็น..

อาคาร 45 ชั้น + ใต้ดิน 1 ชั้น
เป็นภัตตาคาร + จอดรถยนต์ + พาณิชยกรรม + โรงแรม 214 ห้อง + อยู่อาศัยรวม 100 ห้อง
กำหนดเสร็จ 9 มี.ค. 2551
สถาปนิก บ. แปลน แอสโซซิเอทส์ จำกัด

สถาปนิก บ. แปลน แอสโซซิเอทส์ จำกัด = เป็นร่างทรง
อาคาร 45 ชั้น + ใต้ดิน 1 ชั้น = 48 ชั้นครับบวกชั้นห้องเครื่องกับ คูลลิ่งทาวเวอร์ นับจาก render แล้ว

:eek: มีร่างทรงด้วย ตำหนักไหนฮะเนี่ย :eek:

ว่าแต่เห็น render แล้วก็เอามาแบ่งๆกันชมบ้างสิคับคุณ chad ได้โปรด.. please :grouphug:

May 13, 2007:


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P5120021.jpg


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-04-03/P5120022.jpg

Jun 10, 2007:


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-06/P6100003.jpg



http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/mosaic_tu/2007-06/P6100004.jpg

Thanks for bringing all the updates Mosaic :)

A 50 storey skyscraper already under construction that is supposedly glassy, but which we don't have a render for yet. This will be interesting to follow!

^ i totally agree :yes:

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anything less than spectacular will be a disappointment i guess then.

looks like could be a good investment.

ok ok....satisfied? :D..U guys are the real render hunger!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/573841867_be93713749_o.jpg

but this is only the 70% completed design development though, still the final result will be some adjustments.

รอมาเป็นเดือน ในที่สุด ... ขอบคุณมากคุณ chad:)

ดูแล้วนึกถึง villa ratchatewi ตะหงิดๆ หวังว่าออกแบบเสร็จ 100% คงมีจุดเด่นอะไรบนยอดตึกหน่อยนะ ตอนนี้มันดูเรี๊ยบเรียบ

I like the design. I think it'll be a nice addition to Langsuan skyline!

นึกถึง Sofitel, Atthenee Residence......ก็คนอกแบบคนเดียวกัน อิอิ

cool design.... brother of Villa Ratchathewi and cousin of Siri@Sukhumvit :colgate: close family resemblence...

I thought St Regis would ask for a more older fashioned-traditional style, but I guess the residences are more modern styles :okay:

not bad.. looks smart design

expected better actually. how could a st regis look like a v ratchathevi or siri @ suk?

i wont say anything until i see the other 30%.......... :D

expected better actually. how could a st regis look like a v ratchathevi or siri @ suk?

remember its a St Regis Residence not a hotel like an old fashioned Wardorf Astoria-like Hotel....the St Regis Residence towers in other cities
are modern looking too

Modern, classy even - but totally undistinguished... I had hoped for something more dramatic.

remember its a St Regis Residence not a hotel like an old fashioned Wardorf Astoria-like Hotel....the St Regis Residence towers in other cities
are modern looking too


hi speed,was expecting modern but like was coopernz said its undistingushed. ok, let's wait for the final design and see how it turns out..

Thank you, Chad for the render.I agree with archstudent, this one looks quite smart........by the way, I am expecting to see another 30%.

hi speed,was expecting modern but like was coopernz said its undistingushed. ok, let's wait for the final design and see how it turns out..

actually, the Bangkok rendering reflects a restrained understated modern tower design which is not too different from the existing St Regis Residences in Mexico City, Singapore, San Francisco, Bal Harbour (Florida) and Fort Lauderdale (Florida)......http://www.stregisresidences.com/index_flash.html

I think they do this on purpose given the targeted clients (similar to clients of Four Seasons and Ritz-Carlton Residences)....

more flash, flair and creativity might come from a "W Residence"?

ok ok....satisfied? :D..U guys are the real render hunger!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/573841867_be93713749_o.jpg

but this is only the 70% completed design development though, still the final result will be some adjustments.

เรียบมากกกกก ดีไซน์ไม่เหมาะกับย่านชิดลมเลย

ขอพูดตรงๆว่าไม่สวยเลย ออกแบบได้โบราณมาก:ohno:

แต่ก็ดีกว่าไม่สร้าง ขอให้โครงการนี้สำเร็จนะ:banana:

Modern, classy even - but totally undistinguished... I had hoped for something more dramatic.

true. i thought it looked really nice but it is just another nice building w/o any sort of unique character.

still, better than a white concrete building

Hoping real design has little change to this. Well !! at least it's high enough!

Those area is becoming very dense. Its view from 40+ Fl must be very cool.

i think the design is not too bad. a bit plain but overally 'okay' :okay:

ก็ดูดีนะคับ ไม่ได้ขี้เหล่อะไร แต่นี้ยังไม่ใช่ final ช่ายปะคับ จะรอดูตอน final อีกว่าจะเป็นยังไง

Thanks Chad

I think it's quite neat classy.
Hope it would be more interesting when 100% done.

:)

may i ask who is the architect?

Brennan Beer Gorman

i was kinda hoping for something like Central World Hotel or the Peninsula..........

July 9, 2007

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/thinkpop/0StRegis.jpg?t=1184125100

Thanks Pop :)

From The Nation newspaper (July 25, 2007):

Baht120 million duplex leasehold penthouse condos (800 sq meters each) :cheers:

Reaching for the sky
Minor plans Bt4-bn hotel, condo

Up-market hotel developer and restaurant company Minor International has announced details of what it says will be one of Bangkok's most exclusive hotels and Thailand's most expensive condominium, the St Regis Hotel and Residence Bangkok, on Rajdamri Road.

The properties are collectively worth Bt4 billion, and although they will not open until 2010, the hotel is already being given six stars - one above the five-star upper limit for the common horde.

The project, next to the Four Seasons Hotel, is being developed by Rajadamri Residence, a subsidiary of the Minor Group, which has a 30-year lease of the land. Minor chairman and CEO William Heinecke said the hotel and residence would comprise 169 guestrooms, 14 junior suites, 14 executive suites, one presidential suite, 22 serviced apartments (one and two bedrooms), 64 residences (three and four bedrooms), three penthouse units and four duplex penthouses with swimming pools.

The hotel part of the property will be managed by US hotel chain Starwood Hotels and Resorts under its top brand, St Regis, with a 20-year contact.

Following the style of the St Regis in New York and in other countries, the St Regis Bangkok will target high-end tourists and business travellers and compete directly with the city's top luxury hotels, including The Oriental, the Sukhothai and the Four Seasons.

Heinecke said prices for the residences would start at Bt30 million for a 250-square-metre unit and go up to Bt120 million for each of the four 800-square-metre duplex penthouses.

"This is Minor's most expensive investment, and it will be the most expensive condominium in the country," Heinecke said.

The group is financing the development from its own resources. Apart from the Rajdamri property, the Minor Group plans to develop another two projects in Bangkok, one on Koh Samui, one in Phuket and one in Krabi. Within five years, it expects to invest more than Bt10 billion in Thailand's hotel industry.

It is also developing hotels and residences in Dubai and a resort in the Maldives.

Moreover, it is negotiating with a food and beverage company to introduce a new product into the Thai market, and initial investment for that venture will be about Bt1.5 billion.

The Minor Group runs 15 hotels with more than 2,300 rooms under the Marriott, Four Seasons, Anantara and other brands in Thailand, the Maldives and Vietnam. It also operates 23 spas in the Asia-Pacific and Middle East, as well as more than 600 restaurants in Thailand under The Pizza Company, Swensen's, Sizzler, Dairy Queen, Burger King and LeJazz brands.

Miguel Ko, president for the Asia-Pacific at Starwood Hotels and Resorts, said St Regis was the latest brand brought to Thailand by his company. The group plans to increase the number of its hotels in Thailand from 10 at present to 20 in the next five years, all with different brands. Two hotels planned for Bangkok will be called Four Points by Sheraton and Aloft. Another, called the W Hotel, will be built on Koh Samui.

Ko said Starwood was developing 65 hotels and resorts throughout the Asia-Pacific, with 25 opening in the next few years. They include the St Regis in Singapore this year; properties on Bali and in Mexico and Costa Rica next year; Atlanta, Macau and Puerto Rico in 2009; Tibet and Osaka in 2010; and Jakarta in 2011.

Suchat Sritama
The Nation

ไมเนอร์ทุ่มหมื่นล้าน

โพสต์ทูเดย์ — ไมเนอร์กรุ๊ป เท 1.2 หมื่นล้านบาท ขยายการลงทุนใน 3 ธุรกิจ ตั้งแต่โรงแรม คอนโดมิเนียม และอาหาร

นายวิลเลี่ยม อี ไฮเนกี้ ประธานและประธานเจ้าหน้าที่บริหาร บริษัท ไมเนอร์ คอร์ปอเรชั่น กล่าวถึงแผน การลงทุนระหว่างปี 2550-2553 ว่า บริษัทมีแผนการลงทุนภาคอสังหาริมทรัพย์ ในธุรกิจโรงแรม และร้านอาหารในเครือทั้งหมด โดยแผนการลงทุนดังกล่าวใช้งบเฉลี่ยปีละ 3-4 พันล้านบาท รวมแล้วจะใช้เงินลงทุนตลอดทั้ง 4 ปี ประมาณ 1.2 หมื่น ล้านบาท

สำหรับแผนปีนี้จะใช้งบราว 4-4.5 พันล้านบาท ในธุรกิจอสังหาริมทรัพย์ ได้แก่ การก่อสร้างโรงแรมระดับ 5 ดาว จำนวน 5 แห่ง เช่น อนันตรา ภูเก็ต, อนันตรา เขาหลัก และคอนโดมิเนียม ไทม์ แชร์ริ่ง ที่ จ.ภูเก็ต เป็นต้น นอกจากนี้ล่าสุดได้ใช้งบประมาณอีกกว่า 4 พันล้านบาท เปิดตัวโรงแรมระดับ 6 ดาว เซนต์ รีจิส โฮเทล แอนด์ เรสซิเดนเซส บนถนนราชดำริ ซึ่งได้ ดึงพันธมิตรจากสตาร์วูด ร่วมทำการตลาดพร้อมขยายฐานลูกค้า โดยเน้นกลุ่มเป้าหลายระดับเอบวก

สำหรับเซนต์ รีจีส โฮเทล แอนด์ เรสซิเดนเซส เป็นแบรนด์ล่าสุดที่บริษัทดึงเข้ามาสร้างตลาดในประเทศไทย เพื่อให้ครอบคลุมกลุ่มลูกค้าทุกระดับ โดยคาดว่าจะเปิดให้บริการประมาณต้นปี 2553 จากปัจจุบันที่บริษัทมีโรงแรมในเครือทั้งหมด 4 แบรนด์ ได้แก่ โฟรซีซั่นส์ เจ ดับบลิว แมริออท เจ ดับบลิว แมริออท แอนด์ สปา และอนันตรา รีสอร์ท แอนด์ สปา

ส่วนสถานการณ์ความวุ่นวายทางการเมือง ไม่ได้ส่งผลกระทบต่อแผนการลงทุนของบริษัท และการเดินทางของนักท่องเที่ยว เพราะเหตุการณ์ที่เกิดขึ้นเป็นช่วงระยะเวลาสั้นๆ

ด้าน น.ส.ประภารัตน์ ตังควัฒนา ผู้อำนวยการอาวุโส ฝ่ายการเงิน กล่าวว่า แผนการลงทุนในธุรกิจโรงแรมของบริษัท เตรียมขยายอย่างน้อย 5 แห่ง แบ่งเป็นกรุงเทพฯ 2 แห่ง แห่งแรกที่ถนนราชดำริ ส่วนแห่งที่ 2 อยู่ระหว่างเจรจาติดต่อซื้อพื้นที่ บริเวณริมแม่น้ำเจ้าพระยา และที่ ต่างจังหวัดอีก 3 แห่ง ได้แก่ จ.กระบี่ เขาหลัก และภูเก็ต รวมถึงเตรียมขยายเอาต์เลตร้านอาหารทุกแบรนด์ของบริษัท อย่าง พิซซ่า ซิลเลอร์ ฯลฯ ให้ครบจำนวน 1.1 สาขา จากปัจจุบัน 600 สาขาทั่วประเทศ

นอกจากนี้ ยังได้กันงบประมาณกว่า 1.5 พันล้านบาท สำหรับสร้างแบรนด์สินค้าในธุรกิจอาหารเพิ่มขึ้น 1 แบรนด์ โดยเป็นสินค้าที่บริษัทยังไม่เคยทำตลาด อาจเป็นธุรกิจเครื่องดื่ม ซึ่งเป็นแบรนด์ต่างชาติ และขณะนี้อยู่ระหว่างการวางแผน คาดว่าปลายปีนี้จะสามารถเปิดตัวได้

ด้านรายได้ของบริษัทในปีที่ผ่านมามีรายได้รวม 1.2 หมื่นล้านบาท โดยแต่ละปีตั้งเป้าเติบโตเฉลี่ยที่ 20% แบ่งเป็นรายได้จากธุรกิจอาหาร 55% ธุรกิจโรงแรม 40% และปล่อยเช่าคอนโด มิเนียม 5% แต่สัดส่วนกำไรจะได้มาจากโรงแรม 60% ของรายได้ อาหาร 30% ของรายได้ และการปล่อยเช่าคอนโดมิเนียม 10%

Source : POSTTODAY : Jull 25, 2007

Confident Minor to open new hotels
KANANA KATHARANGSIPORN

The hotel and food operator Minor International Plc is expanding its property holdings with a plan to develop the St Regis Hotel & Residences on Ratchadamri Road this year and the Anantara Bangkok beside the Chao Phraya River in the next few years, according to chairman and chief executive William Heinecke. ''Linking the residential business will contribute to the development of hotels as building only a hotel requires a lot of capital for investment,'' he said yesterday after signing a deal with the hotel chain Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc.

''It [St Regis] is not our new business model. We've done residential projects before in Koh Samui, Chiang Mai and Phuket, but only in a few units,'' he said.

He expressed confidence in the Thai economy, saying that the company's investment plan would not change as Thailand's long-term prospects remained very strong. ''I'm confident the situation will improve especially after the new election,'' he said.

''We're the most dynamic hotel business firm in Thailand. We have been a hospitality business leader for over 25 years and will go on for the next 25 years,'' said Mr Heinecke, a Thai citizen who was ranked the country's 10th richest man this year by Forbes Asia.

The group plans to invest four billion baht to develop the St Regis Hotel & Residences, which will comprise 198 hotel rooms, 22 serviced apartments and 71 residential units. Prices will start at 25 million baht a unit, or more than 100,000 baht per square metre.

Target customers will be Thai and foreign senior executives seeking first and second homes. Sales will be launched in October, and they are expected to close within two years as construction should be completed in early 2010.

Kawee Siribhadra, vice-president for real estate and development, said there would be more luxury condominium projects in Bangkok with prices at more than 100,000 baht per sq m.

These include HKR International Sukhothai Residences on Sathon Road and Raimon Land's 185 Rajadamri on the plot where the Cambodian Embassy was formerly located. Unit prices of some projects on Ratchadamri Road were now soaring to more than 160,000 baht per sq m, he said.

The St Regis Hotel & Residences will be located on a plot leased from the Crown Property Bureau for 30 years. It will be owned and developed by Rajadamri Residence Co, a subsidiary of Minor Group, with registered capital of 50 million baht.

Prapharat Tangkawattana, senior finance director, said Minor also planned to invest about eight billion baht to develop four new Antantara hotels. The hotels in Phuket and Khao Lak should open next year and one on the banks of the Chao Phraya River and an undetermined province will open in the next few years. The project on the river would be half hotel, half residential units.

During the first half of the year, the group's business slowed with the country's economy, but management still expects to hit revenue targets. Its hotel business, however, was growing with revenue per available room rising by 20% from 2006.

The company expects revenue to grow by 20% from 12 billion baht in 2006. About 55% was from the food business, 40% from hotels and 5% from its residential business. After the St Regis is completed in the next three years, it expects revenue from residential business to grow to 10%.

Source : Bangkokpost : Jul 25, 2007

Reaching for the sky
Minor plans Bt4-bn hotel, condo
Published on July 25, 2007

...

The Nation (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/07/25/business/business_30042274.php)

Hmm i just realized speed posted the same news. Sorry about that.

Its quite amazing what Minor Group has done.

Does anyone know what nationality Mr Heinecke holds? I'm sure he's Thai seeing as Minor Group has such massive investments in Thailand and that it would be more difficult to do business as a foreigner?

พอจะมาก็ยกเซตเรียงแถวเข้ามาเลย W hotel,A Loft,St.regis and Four point.มากันครบเลย แต่ก็ยังงงจนถึงปัจจุบันนี้ว่าเจ้าเครือ Ritz-Carlton มันโกรธอะไรใครส่วนตัวหรือเปล่าทำไมมันไม่มาลงทุนในไทยสักที ทั้งทั้งที่ประเทศเพื่อนบ้านรอบรอบเรามันก็ไปลงทุนหมดแล้ว แต่มันไม่มาไทย :nuts:

โดยส่วนตัวเห็นหลายหลายแบรนด์เข้ามาก็ดีใจแต่มาคิดอีกทีก็สงสารพวกโรงแรมบ้านเราอย่างเจ้าสองเครือนี้ Centara ,Dusit ไม่ค่อยเคลื่อนไหวอะไรเท่าไรเลย สู้สู้หน่อยอุตส่าห์เป็นเจ้าบ้าน ยังไม่ติดท็อปเท็นกะเค้าสักที

มายกเซ็ต จริงๆ ถ้ารวมทั้งประเทศ เร็วๆนี้คงเห็นครบทุกอย่าง

มีทั้ง ซุปเปอร์หรูอย่าง Taj Exotica, The One and Only, Jumeirah....ฯลฯ มาภูเก็ตเป็นแถว

ถูกๆอย่าง allseasons กลับมา กทม....อิอิ

Taj Exotica === what a name!

dont worry AWTY, Ritz-Carlton is coming :) just looking for the right perfect prime project .... can't overlook popular Bangkok :okay:

I wonder if Hilton will open a Waldorf-Astoria Collection hotel in Bangkok?

also I hope we get a super-modern W Hotel in the city.....

we also need casino/hotels like MGM or Mirage, or Harrah's in Yala or other places like that to create thousands of jobs and get the money and improvements flowing :colgate: prosperous people dont lob grenades.... bombard it with capitalism :yes:




in addition to the giant rich chains, its also nice to get unique luxury or funky boutique hotels like:

Old Bangkok Inn at 609 Phra Sumen (only 8 unique little rooms) intimate but quaint <www.oldbangkokinn.com>

Arun Residence (5 rooms) overlooking the river and Wat Arun <www.arunresidence.com>

Phra Nakorn Norn Len (aka the Bangkhum Phrom), located in funky renovated old buildings on Thewet Soi 1 off Krung Kasem <www.phranakorn-nornlen.com>

Baan Chantra at 120/1 Samsen Road <www.baanchantra.com>

Shanghai Inn on Yaowarat between Songsawat and Phadung Dao <www.shanghai-inn.com>

Siam@Siam Design Hotel and Spa on Rama I Road opposite the National Stadium <www.siamatsiam.com>

Baan Rangnam next to Santiphab Park <www.baanrangnam.com>

Eugenia (12 suites) at Sukhumvit 31 <www.theeugenia.com>.

Dream Hotel on Suk Soi 15 <www.dreambkk.com>

S15 at Suk Soi 15

Le Fenix at Suk Soi 11 <www.lefenix-sukhumvit.com>

Bangkok Boutique Hotel at 241 Suk Soi 21 (Asoke) <www.bangkokboutiquehotel.com>

Napa Place B&B at Suk Soi 36 <www.napaplace.com>

Reflection Rooms at Soi Aree (Phaholyothin Soi 7)

Baan Thai Wellness Retreat on Suk Soi 32 (F2) <www.thebaanthai.com>

Chakrabongse Villas in Old Bangkok, and home of a son of King Rama V <www.thaivillas.com>

Thai resort style units in the back of the Davis Hotel on Suk Soi 24 <www.davisbangkok.net>

Luxx Hotel at 6/11 Decho Road <www.staywithluxx.com>

Tivoli Hotel on Si Bamphen south of Sathorn Rd <www.thetivolihotelbangkok.com>

Its quite amazing what Minor Group has done.

Does anyone know what nationality Mr Heinecke holds? I'm sure he's Thai seeing as Minor Group has such massive investments in Thailand and that it would be more difficult to do business as a foreigner?

He was born an American but he gave up his American citizenship for a Thai one.
Or at least thats what I read. It is illegal to hold two nationalities if you are Thai.

^^ ohhh...i just found out that he's got his own page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Heinecke) on wiki.


In 1991, Heinecke became a Thai citizen.


and an interesitng article aobut him

http://www.escapeartist.com/efam18/Expats_In_Asia.html

St. Regis to Open in Tianjin, China, Osaka, Japan and Bangkok, Thailand

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St. Regis Adds Three New Prestigious Addresses in Asia Pacific
In Asia Pacific, St. Regis Hotels & Resorts is raising its flag in three prime locations in a move that will quadruple the brand's portfolio in the region and give it presence in previously untapped markets. Operated by Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc. (NYSE: HOT), the new St. Regis properties include the brand's first hotels in Japan and Thailand: St. Regis Hotel, Osaka and St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok. St. Regis is also adding its third property in China: St. Regis Hotel, Tianjin. Scheduled to open between 2009 and 2011, these three new St. Regis hotels will strengthen Starwood's leadership position in the luxury hotel market.

"Established in 1904 with the opening of the internationally acclaimed St. Regis Hotel New York, the highly esteemed St. Regis brand continues to enhance its extraordinary reputation by adding highly coveted addresses to its global portfolio, such as these three new properties in Asia Pacific," said Miguel Ko, President of Starwood Hotels & Resorts, Asia Pacific. "Recently announcing plans for several new hotels in some of Asia Pacific's most appealing destinations, St. Regis commands a loyal following in the region's rapidly expanding luxury hotel market among customers and investors alike."

In the next two years, St. Regis is opening new properties in Macao, Bali and Singapore. Following its introduction to Asia Pacific in 2000 with hotels in Beijing and Shanghai, St. Regis is now expanding into seven other locations including Tianjin, Bangkok, Tibet, Bali, Jakarta, Macao and Osaka.

"Combining sophistication with modern refinement, the St. Regis brand and its uncompromising bespoke service will certainly set a new standard in luxury living in these desirable markets in Asia Pacific, while simultaneously broadening the brand's portfolio to include capital cities, centers for commerce and industry, and exclusive vacation destinations," added Ko.

1. St. Regis Hotel, Tianjin

Scheduled to open in 2011, St. Regis Hotel, Tianjin will establish the luxury lifestyle brand in one of China's key ports and industrial centers. A city rich in historic sites, Tianjin is one of China's four municipalities as well as the third largest city in China with thriving manufacturing, petrochemical and textile industries. Home to several opera companies, China's first University and an impressive collection of folk art, Tianjin is known as a cultural hub and one of the country's fastest growing coastal cities.

Part of a mixed use development, St. Regis Hotel, Tianjin will offer 284 rooms, more than 20,000 square feet of meeting space, six restaurants, a spa and pool. Tianjin is preparing for an influx of visitors next year as the city will serve as one of five main competition venues outside of Beijing for the 2008 Olympic Games.

2. St. Regis Hotel, Osaka

The first internationally branded hotel to open in Osaka in the past five years, St. Regis Hotel, Osaka will be a welcome addition to this bustling Japanese city when it opens in 2010. Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc. has entered into an operating agreement with Sekisui House to lease the 159-room new-build St. Regis hotel, located at the intersection of Midosuji Avenue and Honmachi street, in the central business district of Osaka City.

Midosuji, a long avenue running through central Osaka from north to south, is for Osaka what the Champs Elysees is for Paris - a wide boulevard lined with major public institutions, offices and exclusive, luxury brand shops. Currently the home to Osaka's administrative functions and major corporate offices, the area around the hotel is gradually transforming itself into a high-end retail district. Other facilities at the hotel include three restaurants, a spa and more than 4,500 square feet of meeting space. As Japan's second most important city with a population of 10 million, Osaka attracts more than 130 million visitors each year.

3. St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok

Opening for business in early 2009, St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok will introduce the renowned St. Regis brand to this vibrant, historical city known for its extraordinary cultural attractions, energetic night life and upscale shopping. Under a long-term management agreement with Rajadamri Residence Company Limited, a subsidiary of Minor International, Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, Inc. will open St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok near the city's prestigious entertainment and business districts.

Setting a new standard in luxury living in Thailand, St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok will be ideally positioned to serve the city's influential business leaders as well as discerning leisure travelers. The new property will offer 198 guestrooms, 22 serviced apartments and 71 exclusive residential units.

Following in the tradition of the legendary St. Regis New York, the three new St. Regis hotels will feature the famed hallmarks of St. Regis hotels - esteemed butler service and luxury accommodations for sophisticated travelers. St. Regis understands that part of creating a seductive, unparalleled guest experience is delivering meticulous and discreet service. Trained in the English tradition, the butlers provide ever-present, yet unobtrusive service while anticipating guest needs and customizing each guest's stay according to his or her specific tastes and preferences.

About St. Regis Hotels & Resorts

St. Regis Hotels & Resorts includes the most celebrated properties in the world. Founded by John Jacob Astor with the landmark St. Regis Hotel, New York over a century ago, the company will unveil highly anticipated St. Regis properties in Punta Mita, Mexico (2007), Singapore (2007), Anguilla (2008), Atlanta (2008), Bali, Indonesia (2008), Costa Rica (2008) Deer Valley, Utah (2009), Mexico City, Mexico (2008), Bahia Beach, Puerto Rico (2009), Macao (2010), Bal Harbour, FL (2010) and Baha Mar, Bahamas (2011) .

Source : Starwood Hotels : July 26, 2007

St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok to open on Rajadamri Road in 2010

Starwood Hotels & Resorts has entered into an agreement with Rajadamri Residence Company Limited, a subsidiary of Minor International, for Starwood to manage the St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok.

Situated at a prominent location along Rajadamri Road, in the heart of Bangkok, the St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok will comprise of 198 guestrooms, 22 serviced apartments and 71 exclusive residential units. The St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok is scheduled to open early 2010.

"We are thrilled with the landmark entry of the St. Regis brand into Thailand! The luxury hotel market in Bangkok has not seen any recent additions of internationally branded hotels yet the growth of international arrivals has remained strong through the Tourism Authority of Thailand's efforts at promoting Bangkok as a destination for business, leisure and meetings. The sustained demand for luxury accommodation, the renowned Thai hospitality combined with the legendary bespoke service of the St. Regis brand, and the unrivaled location of this hotel in the Rajadamri area, will make this property an extremely attractive choice for travelers to Bangkok, arguably the 'tourism capital of Asia'," said Mr. Miguel Ko, President for Starwood Hotels & Resorts, Asia Pacific.

Located opposite the Royal Bangkok Sports Club, the St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok offers hotel guests and residence owners attractive views over the famed race track, the only 18-hole golf course in the heart of Bangkok, and panoramic view of Lumpini Park, the greenest space in the city. In addition, the St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok offers direct entrance to the Rajadamri BTS station, providing convenient and timely access to key commercial, residential and shopping districts in the city.

"We are delighted to have the opportunity to work together with Starwood to introduce the St. Regis brand to Thailand. As one of the world's premier luxury hotel brands, St. Regis will be an exciting addition to the Thai market and is sure to become one of Bangkok's finest and best managed hotels," said Mr. William E. Heinecke, Chairman and CEO of Minor International.

Visitors to Bangkok in 2010 will be able to enjoy facilities at the St. Regis Hotel & Residences, Bangkok that include an all-day dining outlet, a specialty restaurant, a decanter wine cellar, lobby bar and lounge, a Remède Spa, close to 10,000 square feet of function space, and a well-equipped fitness center and swimming pool.

Source : Starwood Hotels and Resort : Jul 25, 2007

Repost the render :)

ok ok....satisfied? :D..U guys are the real render hunger!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/573841867_be93713749_o.jpg

but this is only the 70% completed design development though, still the final result will be some adjustments.

single corridor? seems like all units will have views on Royal Sport Club

From the render, I would say rooms front and back - the corridor appears to be in the middle

I live in the condominium behind the new St Regis Residence in Bangkok.
No consultation - no nothing. Just the sudden news that a 45 storey piece of concrete is going to be built right in front of the balcony windows of over 60 apartments.
I wonder how much ethical consideration was given to all this before the design was approved. I wonder how much compensation has been discussed for the people whose lives are to be affected. I wonder if Mr Heinecke gave any thought whatsoever to the local residents.
International companies like this with their six-star ideals and one-star code of ethics make me sick.
Lets stop being congratulatory about designers that fail to take in human considerations.
What do other people think?

I dont think It's "not fair", people pays higher for something better yet. as some of us here always say that you should be 100% prepare when there is an empty piece of land infront of you, it cannot be empty forever. As long as the country still growing, people still reproducing and still got to have a place to live. That clear view of you could dissappear in any matter of seconds.

However, your case is not the first. I believe several areas in Sukhumvit are facing the same problem which I think other giant megapolis around the world are mostly got used to the idea that "blocked-view" is what ordinary.

^^ You are right, Chad, I agree.

So, is it fair for newcomers to pay compensation ? I think not.

I live in the condominium behind the new St Regis Residence in Bangkok.
No consultation - no nothing. Just the sudden news that a 45 storey piece of concrete is going to be built right in front of the balcony windows of over 60 apartments.
I wonder how much ethical consideration was given to all this before the design was approved. I wonder how much compensation has been discussed for the people whose lives are to be affected. I wonder if Mr Heinecke gave any thought whatsoever to the local residents.
International companies like this with their six-star ideals and one-star code of ethics make me sick.
Lets stop being congratulatory about designers that fail to take in human considerations.
What do other people think?

let me get this straight....so you have more right to your view than someone who's paid good money to buy land and invest in a condominium?

i'd ask you about YOUR ethical considerations, have you given any thought to people who've decided to invest their money in a project like that or are they just unethical...? have you given thought to the fact that people can build on land they own?

i feel for you losing your view but i have no sympathy for your complaints, especially in asserting that these companies have no morals.

i hope you paid compensation for those tenants who lived on the land before your condo was built seeing as they had to go through the trouble of relocation to a different location as well as lose their beloved home and all that. btw, you don't own that space/atmosphere in front of your condo. if you were promised a view, take it up against your developer.

Well of course the land in front of 'The Grand' was not originally empty land and the condominium was built to fit in with the buildings already in place. That is my argument - that is what St Regis should have considered. It is quite possible to come up with a design that fits in (by and large) with the community that is already in place and many countries around the world have laws that follow that line of thinking.
Quite clearly Thainotts thinks that if you have the money you can ride rough-shod over anyone else; quite clearly a supporter of Mr Thaksin's principles I would imagine!
I should also add that I'm not arguing the point for myself. I have the view of The Four Seasons Hotel and CentralWorld and I'm very happy indeed with it............but the quality of life and the value of many people's property will be reduced considerably by the unethical actions (yes unethical) of St Regis.

What do other people think?

What do I think?

If..it's me... I migth be complaint like you.. not fair not fair.. give me back some compensation..

But.. look at the law of this country.. Is there anyword to say about banning of building the highrise to block your house's windows especially in the zone they provide the maximum FAR for the building to rise up as high as it can be like rachadhamri area?


You may say that the law is not fair.. it should needs to be rewrited. Or shall it?

What do I think?

i think it's an interesting discussion.

do you own your view? no!

are you affected by negative externalities (less sunlight, less vitamin b, more noise during construction)? yes! just imagine a farmer that might loss critical sunlight to his plants.

Do you have the right to something only because you are longer around? history would suggest so. is history fair and ethically correct ? not necessarily.

I personal understand your anger, but ethically the construction is correct, as the Thai law does not prohibit such developments. however, as for the future i think Bangkok Authorities would do everyone a favor to prohibit constructions that are too close to existing structures. not only for safety reasons, but also in order to improve quality of live and save energy through better air circulation and natural lighting.

any other ideas ?

Well of course the land in front of 'The Grand' was not originally empty land and the condominium was built to fit in with the buildings already in place.

and how would that be? just so happened that no building was there in the first place?


That is my argument - that is what St Regis should have considered. It is quite possible to come up with a design that fits in (by and large) with the community that is already in place and many countries around the world have laws that follow that line of thinking.

many countries don't as well.


Quite clearly Thainotts thinks that if you have the money you can ride rough-shod over anyone else; quite clearly a supporter of Mr Thaksin's principles I would imagine!

no, i'm saying when I've worked hard to gain my money, why the fuck do i have to give compensation to some guy who thinks he owns his view? nothing to do with riding rough-shod over anything. like i said (if you'd actually read my post), why are you making an "ethical" complaint when you don't own the view and nothing entitles you to the view. you're entitled to your flat and if someone were to rough-shod that i'd support you. of course, unless your developer guaranteed a view, then you can't complain about anyone being unethical. much less a supporter of thaksin :nuts:


I should also add that I'm not arguing the point for myself. I have the view of The Four Seasons Hotel and CentralWorld and I'm very happy indeed with it............but the quality of life and the value of many people's property will be reduced considerably by the unethical actions (yes unethical) of St Regis.

do you drive? then you're ruining with my quality of life and destroying the environment as well. stop being unethical, please.

I personal understand your anger, but ethically the construction is correct, as the Thai law does not prohibit such developments. however, as for the future i think Bangkok Authorities would do everyone a favor to prohibit constructions that are too close to existing structures. not only for safety reasons, but also in order to improve quality of live and save energy through better air circulation and natural lighting.

any other ideas ?

there's a lot of things the bangkok authorities should do. like build more parks. already we have a building code that requires a setback from the main road. of course, construction on sois/roads also have to consider the supporting infrastructure by some law or regulation i think. maximum heights are regulated as well.

of course, what you say about construction is valid. thailand needs a lot of improvement in terms of standardizing our construction methods. at the moment, some new ongoing project (at rajdamri) have settled their issues concerning sound and construction dust with nearby projects.

but your view?

Neighbours voice concern about Minor megaproject


Minor International Plc's plan to develop the St Regis Hotel & Residences in Soi Mahadlek Luang 2 off Ratchadamri Road is encountering opposition from the soi's residents. A circular was sent this week to the residents inviting them to join together and keep in touch via Yahoo Groups at mahadlekluang_residents.


''This will affect us all as there will be at least 40 months of construction work, noise, traffic, vibrations, etc,'' the notice said. ''The highest buildings will block our lovely views, especially the apartment blocks facing the Royal Bangkok Sports Club (RBSC).


''Other things such as natural light and natural ventilation, mobile phone signals, satellite TV signals, traffic entering and exiting onto Ratchadamri Road via our soi will be severely disrupted. ... Your apartment's value will be reduced as a result.''


SET-listed Minor, the country's largest hotel and food-services company, is investing four billion baht to develop the St Regis, which will have 198 hotel rooms, 22 serviced apartments and 71 residential units priced from 25 million baht each. The highest of the three buildings will be 47 storeys. The site is next to the Four Seasons Hotel, also a Minor property.


Neighbouring residents want to negotiate with the company on the project's height and size, saying they have questions about the environmental impact assessment (EIA) done for the project.


A survey form from Thai Environment Co Ltd, which conducted the EIA, notes that it had collected comments and interviewed some residents about what was then referred to as the Ratchadamri Residence Project some time ago. The circular asks residents to confirm whether they had been interviewed or completed forms.


One resident of The Grand, who asked not to be named, said on Thursday that he was not able to do any work at his apartment, even with earplugs on, and was distressed that some beautiful old trees had been cut down.


A Minor executive overseeing sales for the project acknowledged that local residents had complained about construction noise.


''We've asked the contractor, Thai Obayashi, to strictly follow all rules and regulations related to the construction permit received from the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration,'' she said.


The executive added that noise would likely be highest during the piling work of the project, a phase expected to take around 45 days.


Source: Bangkok Post

I have no mercy for those pathetic neighbors.

I'm glad to have generated such a discussion and I agree with some points made and disagree with others.
To Thainotts, he is wrong that the land was empty in the first place and he has only to look back at some of the pictures earlier in the thread to prove this.
The whole point about ethical living in a built up city is that everyone should think about everyone else, as much as possible. Builders moving into a new location, and out to make big bucks too, should be responsible for considering the needs of the local community as well as their own, especially international companies. It's all about getting the balance right.
I can only say that when Thainotts has earned all his money and put a lot of it into property, I sincerely hope that someone doesn't come along and plonk a piece of concrete in front of his/her window.
As far as running a car and adding to the pollution is concerned, he is wrong again. I do not own a car in Thailand. I have not owned a car anywhere in the world since 1998.
Do you own your view? Yes and no. When you put most of your life savings into buying a property you take account of what you're going to see out of the window. I do agree that common sense is required here; thats why I went for an apartment that is very unlikely to lose its view - unless the Four Seasons Hotel decides to rebuild.
I agree with a lot that DD2020 and joons say. I'm certainly not saying that we own all the rights for everything and I'm not saying that there aren't risks in property purchase and I'm also not being being intolerant of Thai law; I am saying that there could be improvements in regulations however. The rest involves respect from all sides. Thats where ethics and balance comes into the equation so that the 'biggies' don't come in and ride rough shod over the minnows without any consideration at all!!
Chad's latest comment isn't worthy of discussion.
I think sharing a beer or two with Thainotts could be a very explosive though fun event!!
Keep the discussion going.

I have no mercy for those pathetic neighbors.

i agree .. look guys, its buyer beware .... if you bought a unit without surveying all the possibilities of that can happen around you, then its your fault ... you can only compensate this by the fact that the guys buying st.regis is paying probably 2-3x more than what you paid for ... so life is actually fair.

with due respect John I disagree with your point...

if the title deeds were freehold, and you wanted to guarantee your view, you might be able to buy an "air space" easement" over your neighbor's land plot (if he/she/it agreed)....but that easement will no doubt be very expensive (on a negotiated basis) and would make your land plot very desireable (and expensive).....

[similarly, if the land plots are leaseholds (like in your case and the St Regis' case) it might be possible to get a contractual airspace easement right over your neighbors plot, but again that would be expensive]...

however, if your land plot does not have an easement right over your neighbor's land plot (and the zoning laws permit the construction of a tall structure on your neighbor's plot), then complaints about a tall structure coming up and blocking your view (from whatever direction) are not well raised and should be ignored....in such circumstances, your land plot is less desireable (to a degree) and should have been cheaper per sq meter...that is just how the capitalist market operates...

that is why condo units with views over areas not likely to be blocked (such as Baan Rajadamri freehold condos right on Rajadamri Road overlooking the Royal Sports Club) are SO EXPENSIVE .... condo units in interior buildings with views which could (or even likely) be blocked are less expensive because of this circumstance...

I remember when I briefly worked in the Embarcadero buildings in San Francisco with fantastic views over the bay....the owners of that building bought the airspace over its neighbors (at GREAT expense) to ensure that view.....however if they did not do that (and the neighbor's built a taller structure, because of the "highest & best use" economics of the area) they would hardly be able to complain....if they did they would be laughed at...sort of like complaining that you didnt get a first class seat & XO cognac when you paid for economy....

I accept everything that Speed and Kaxper say in relation to Bangkok except that there is still an ethical consideration that should be taken into account by any builder that chooses to develop in an area.
It may (or may not) be of interest to people to know that 95+% (or thereabouts) of all apartments / condos purchased in the UK are leasehold - it is very rare to be able to purchase a freehold apartment / condo. The laws of the country are in place to make sure that such an event as the one we are discussing could not happen there without at least a public enquiry or similar. Leasehold or freehold the rights and considerations are the same and the owner of a 50,000 pound property has claim to the same rights as the owner of a one million pound property.
Now I know that Bangkok is not London and I fully accept that things work differently here, but the moral aspect of how people and communities are dealt with (by neighbours, builders, governments et al) is a human matter.

IMO, khun John S is requesting sth out of the law. Most important of all, almost all people dont see 'your view' need to be compensated. You gonna need a lot more supports to be able to raise an ethical campeign against St Regis. Sadly thai people living standard these days are much poorer than you. So, no one would care what your problem is.

Hope you can find your way out of this mess though.

the moral/ethical aspects of maintaining a particular building's view of the Royal Sports Club?
sorry I dont agree....that is a commercial/zoning issue, not a moral/ethical issue....

in that vein, I would rather concentrate on pushing/lobbying/complaining etc. on having the Bangkok Metro Authority plant more trees along roads and canals and establish more park areas (or open green/public use zones etc.) in the city....

even if Bangkok somehow made it on the "15 green cities" on earth :hahaha: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/07/19/cities/index.html?source=weekly

New York Times March 2007
BANGKOK — Black smoke billowing from tailpipes into the humid, tropical air was once a Bangkok trademark. But a decade and a half after Thailand began a battle for better air quality, this erstwhile icon of smog has emerged as a role model for pollution-choked capitals in Asia, with considerably cleaner air than Beijing, Jakarta, New Delhi and Shanghai.

Bangkok Is Breathing Easier (iht.com) Some buses here still belch toxic vapor. Yet the skies in Bangkok on most days are blue, thanks to the work of a small, dedicated group of people. They have pressed the case for cleaner air despite a history of weak, short-lived governments and the country’s current efforts to extricate itself from the tangled results of the military coup last September.

“There’s a huge difference when you walk around the streets,” said Jitendra Shah, a coordinator at the World Bank for environment and social issues in Southeast Asia who has worked in Bangkok since the 1990s. “Breathing is definitely easier.”

Thailand’s battle against air pollution provides a virtual how-to manual of environmental cleanup, say Mr. Shah and other air quality experts in Asia. Thai officials cajoled oil companies to produce cleaner fuel, used higher taxes to phase out the once ubiquitous two-stroke motorcycles and converted taxis to run on clean-burning liquefied petroleum gas. They overcame lobbying campaigns from large, mostly Japanese-owned, car companies and imposed progressively stricter emissions controls based on European norms. Thailand had no emissions standards before 1992.

The local government enacted simple but highly effective measures like washing the streets to keep the dust down. Buddhist crematoriums around the city were urged to change from wood-burning pyres to more sophisticated electric incinerators.

One striking result is that, while the number of motor vehicles registered in Bangkok has increased 40 percent over the past decade, the average levels of the most dangerous types of pollution — small dust particles that become embedded in the lungs — have been cut 47 percent, to 43 micrograms per cubic meter from 83.

Bangkok’s air, on average, now falls within the limit set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency of 50 micrograms per cubic meter, but is above the European Union limit of 40. The World Health Organization guidelines are 20 micrograms per cubic meter.

Four decades ago, Thailand did not have a word for pollution — there was barely use for it in a city with far fewer cars than there are now. It was only in 1976 that the Royal Institute, the official arbiter of the Thai language, coined the word “mollapit.” It means “poison or toxins that come from impurity or dirtiness,” according to Naiyana Wara-aswapati, a senior linguist at the institute.

Giving pollution a name was far easier than cleaning the air. And as pedestrians in Bangkok can attest, some of the poison still lingers. The city still has nagging air quality problems, especially and paradoxically in neighborhoods served by the city’s relatively new mass transit system, which was supposed to help ease pollution by allowing commuters to leave their cars at home.

Pollutants, trapped beneath the concrete platforms of the elevated railway, can rise to levels that rival those of the dirtiest cities in Asia: 85 to 180 micrograms per cubic meter of dust particles.

Greater Bangkok, with a population of about 10 million, has not yet achieved the air quality of Singapore or Tokyo. Those cities have on average the cleanest air of any major Asian capital, roughly equivalent to that of New York City. But what Bangkok has shown is that it is not necessary to have Singapore’s authoritarian legacy or Tokyo’s riches to make radical improvements.

Part of Bangkok’s success in cleaning its air is a result of luck and geography. Unlike Los Angeles, Bangkok has no surrounding mountains to trap smog. Unlike Beijing, which has some of the worst air in East Asia, power plants around Bangkok do not use coal. Thailand gets natural gas from neighboring Myanmar and its own platforms in the Gulf of Thailand; 70 percent of the country’s power production is from natural gas, which burns more cleanly than coal.

Most of the credit for the cleaner air, however, goes to a group of strong-willed environmental pioneers, said Nuntavarn Vichit-Vadakan, dean of the faculty of public health at Thammasat University. The group, many of them trained in the United States, convinced politicians of the need for action, Ms. Nuntavarn said.

They faced considerable resistance. Supat Wangwongwatana, director general of the pollution control department at the Ministry of Environment, helped usher in Thailand’s first laws on tailpipe emissions, based mainly on European standards. In the early 1990s, he traveled to Japan with Kasem Sanitwong Na Ayutthaya, the current environment minister, to persuade Japanese automakers to make and sell cleaner cars in Thailand.

Bangkok Is Breathing Easier (iht.com) Bhichit Rattakul, an American-trained microbiologist, created the Anti-Air Pollution & Environmental Protection Foundation, a nonprofit advocacy group, in 1986, before going green was trendy. Elected Bangkok’s governor in 1996, he planted 400,000 trees, cracked down on polluting trucks and established stricter rules for dusty construction sites.

In 1991, Piyasvasti Amranand, a former secretary general of the National Energy Policy Office, established Thailand’s first comprehensive plan to remove lead, sulfur and other harmful chemicals from fuel. Mr. Piyasvasti, who is now energy minister, said he encountered strong resistance from Western oil companies and Japanese car manufacturers; he recalled long debates over the proposed introduction of catalytic converters, the devices that neutralize harmful chemicals before they are emitted from tailpipes.

On the streets of Bangkok, residents give the city’s fight against pollution mixed reviews.

Pacharapun Tinnabal, 25, a graduate student who recently returned after living for three years in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, said she was relieved to return home because the air there was “far more polluted.”

But others, like Thongpoon Nawiman, a 41-year-old motorcycle messenger who spends five days a week wending through Bangkok’s wide boulevards and tiny alleys, are not satisfied. “The air is still polluted, and the traffic is still bad,” he said.

Mr. Bhichit, the former Bangkok governor, agrees that there is a lot of room for improvement.

“I’m still not a happy man,” he said. “I’m trying to demand more.”

To Shrekroma I say that the campaign is not mine; Im just an individual expressing an opinion. In fact, as I said earlier, I'm not affected by the new building in terms of view.
You say: "Sadly thai people living standard these days are much poorer than you. So, no one would care what your problem is." In actual fact, the majority of owners of these apartments are Thai and the campaign is run by Thais - so please don't start that line of argument
To Speed I simply say - is there not a moral/ethical issue in commercial/zoning? What about the current argument in Bangkok concerning the sale of alcohol and the location of massage parlours close to schools?
Anyhow, I will say no more on the matter on this thread
Best wishes to all. My lips are now zipped
J

Huh? :dunno: complete non-sequiter...totally irrelevant...massage parlors? alcohol?

a building coming up and blocking a view, if permitted by zoning, is fact of commercial life...not a moral/ethical issue....please dont throw up smoke and mirrors...

FAR, zoning, grenery, decent urban planning is i think ultimately what John S and all of us want at the end.

Extremely worthwhile discussion. I would love to see some photos or a Google Earth plan of the position of the buildings referred to in order to get a real handle on the issue.

Extremely worthwhile discussion. I would love to see some photos or a Google Earth plan of the position of the buildings referred to in order to get a real handle on the issue.

it is an interesting discussion with regards to zoning, quality of life, and construction standards in bangkok. however, the thing about getting compensated for your view being a matter of ethics is entirely ridiculous. it would be nice if they discussed it, yes, but how can there be any sort of discussion/negotiation when clearly you DO NOT own your view? you have no legal or commercial leverage. what do you want them to do, build a park?

concerning construction noise and dust THAT, however, is a reasonable issue to negotiate since it actually disturbs the peace and there are laws covering such issues and it is disrupting your rights.

Hi, John S
Don't leave, you brought up some discussion that lit up the thread. I just joined the forum, and I can tell there are a lot of skyscraper worshipper here.
What you have brought up is urban planning. Most of the great cities have this laid down during their early urban expansion. Bangkok needs to do a better job to foster itself in order to rival the other world class cities. This I beleive all forum members would want to see, not some ugly concrete canyon eyesore. Sometimes taller not necessary equates better.
Developement always bring woos. Developers are just bussinessmen looking at all angles, trying to maximize their profit. Moral is no reward for them in most cases. What we need is voices loud enough to make legeslature change, toughen up "enviromental studies" etc. Which is not limited to light and air issues, traffic patterns. In Hong Kong, new developement on old neigborhood required to set back their footprint in exchange of height, hence made the street wider. But this is a process forty,fifty years in making, that made the street wider one parcel at a time. And I don't see this is happening in Bangkok yet.
Good news for you is, from what I heard, Four Seasons transfer their air right to St Regis. Then they can't build anything higher then their current height now.
A good forum needs different point of views, otherwise one can just talking to oneself. As in any contructive discussion, we always agree to disagree. If anyone use any word to John S deemed personal, you should be man enough to apologize.

Developement always bring woos. Developers are just bussinessmen looking at all angles, trying to maximize their profit. Moral is no reward for them in most cases. What we need is voices loud enough to make legeslature change, toughen up "enviromental studies" etc. Which is not limited to light and air issues, traffic patterns. In Hong Kong, new developement on old neigborhood required to set back their footprint in exchange of height, hence made the street wider. But this is a process forty,fifty years in making, that made the street wider one parcel at a time. And I don't see this is happening in Bangkok yet.

um, there is a law in bangkok concerning the setback needed to be built depending on the height of the proposed project and the land plot. generally though, the setback is not required to be turned into public land so some of these projects keep it as parking space or gardens, but it wouldn't be difficult to turn them into public areas.

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Hi, John S
Good news for you is, from what I heard, Four Seasons transfer their air right to St Regis. Then they can't build anything higher then their current height now.


dont understand this statement...the leaseholder of the Four Seasons is the SAME corporate group as the leaseholder of the St. Regis.....

I think St Regis did everything according the the current building regulations and law.

The Set-back is right, FAR (Total Floor Area Ratio) is correct, OSR (Open Space Ratio is also correct).

Minor is actually beable to build something even bigger due to the distance to BTS quota from BMA.

So it's kinda comical how you think that it's unfair when actually what you owned is your room, not the view nor the sky.

wow, four 800 sq. meters penthouses fit in the top? (120 million Baht each) :dizzy: