Hello, I'm a newbie here. I'm originally from the state of Michigan where I was raised and lived there almost my whole life. I have been in Los Angeles for about 2.5 years now and went to film school and currently looking for work in the post production in the Los Angeles Area. I'm 31 years old and finally figured out what I want to do for a living, A career working in the entertainment industry and ready to settle down. I NO LONGER want to be in LOS ANGELES!!!! I'm not that IMPRESSED WITH LA.!!! I don't want to write a long story here why I want to move out of Los Angeles. IT KINDA SUCKS HERE.!!! I'd rather relocate to one of these two cities New York City or Chicago that has a REAL CENTER CITY!!! I'm wondering if anyone here has relocated to New York or Chicago from Los Angeles, maybe I'd consider San Francisco as well as an alternative? Anyone here give me some reasons which major city should I move to one of these cities that I mentioned Above. My obvious choice on the top of my list is New York City because there is a better chance of getting a job in the entertainment industry. I like some help or any Advice please from a Newbie

Both are great choices and both are better than LA (IMO). But New York is a lot bigger, and has a lot more to offer in terms of the overall urban experience. My opinion is that if you're going to move, move to the top. New York.

You don't really have to make a bajillion topics about it...

lol. Dude. Just visit both cities and see which suit you best. You honestly can work in film in both cities. Chicago has an industry for it, but its not as big as New York's. However, maybe you are someone that would like it better in Chicago. It really could go either way, depending on what you want. Just visit both towns and try to talk to film people there.

lol. Dude. Just visit both cities and see which suit you best. You honestly can work in film in both cities. Chicago has an industry for it, but its not as big as New York's. However, maybe you are someone that would like it better in Chicago. It really could go either way, depending on what you want. Just visit both towns and try to talk to film people there.

Been to both NY and Chicago in the past. I love New York City!!!

^ So then what's the debate?

Both are great choices and both are better than LA (IMO). But New York is a lot bigger, and has a lot more to offer in terms of the overall urban experience. My opinion is that if you're going to move, move to the top. New York.

^ Oh, shut the fuck up with your lame "move to the top" nonsense.

And why is this same thread popping up everywhere? Close the damn thing down already

Both are great choices and both are better than LA (IMO). But New York is a lot bigger, and has a lot more to offer in terms of the overall urban experience. My opinion is that if you're going to move, move to the top. New York.

of course, Jive is right. When somebody goes to New York from little ol' Chicago, those little town blues start melting away.

how the rest of us stay back here in Hicksville is just beyond me. Who knows? Maybe someday they'll even open a Starbucks here in Chicago and we can really go big time!

I wish I were important enough to be able to live in The Unquestionably Greatest City In The World And Probably The Universe.

Why do you guys get all defensive? The guy posed a legitimate question to the entire forum, so I answered with my opinion. You have every right to disagree.

And nobody suggested that Chicago is "hicksville" either, so don't put words in my mouth.

lol, if I said he should move to Chicago instead you guys wouldn't be so pissed. I guess you missed where I said that both NYC and Chicago are better than LA, huh?

^ No, I caught that. And I couldn't agree with you more. ;)

move to Chicago. They got enough damn people in NYC.

Why do you guys get all defensive? The guy posed a legitimate question to the entire forum, so I answered with my opinion. You have every right to disagree.

And nobody suggested that Chicago is "hicksville" either, so don't put words in my mouth.

lol, if I said he should move to Chicago instead you guys wouldn't be so pissed. I guess you missed where I said that both NYC and Chicago are better than LA, huh?


It's not defensive at all, Jive. It's all a matter of opinion. You got to remember: plenty of us in Chicago really do believe that Chicago is the #1 city in the US, the ultimate city in the nation. Again, just our opinion. We certainly don't think we're in any way superceded by New York.

So all we were reacting to was your "shooting for #1" which Chicagoans believe is, well....actually...Chicago.

I don't think its unusual for people in any city to think they live in the best city in the world. Hell, I think St. Louis is #1.

^ Well, that's just plain unusual. ;)

Here's a post from someone in the best city in the World (Philadelphia). :)

To the person who posted the thread if your going to make movies here's some information from Movie Maker Magazine..
For, acting, theater, etc.. If you want to catch a whale you may not want to fish in a Lake.

http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/57/top10.html

Jive probably thinks only New York rivals STL's "row houses".

Why do I get all this crap for thinking that New York is far superior to any other city in the USA? I doubt I'm the only one.

What is the obsession with Chicago about?

Both are great choices and both are better than LA (IMO). But New York is a lot bigger, and has a lot more to offer in terms of the overall urban experience. My opinion is that if you're going to move, move to the top. New York.

In terms of entertainment, I'd say Los Angeles is "better". But overall, you can't say which one is "better" than which because they are all different from one another. Different sometimes isn't so bad. But apparently urbanity and vibrancy is of the utmost importance here.

And LAWestsideStory, why do you keep posting the EXACT same thread? You're probably a troll.

I don't think its unusual for people in any city to think they live in the best city in the world. Hell, I think St. Louis is #1.

you're missing my point, Jive. My main thing is not that Chicagoans (or St. Louisans) think their cities are #1 as much as a disbelief that New York is the fucking ultimate city. I don't. And that's not a dig at New York, which I view as a great city. I just don't buy into the pecking order. There are enough issues of NYC's size that makes it a difficult place to live. Not only that, many of the cities globally that have surpassed NYC's size and density are places many people dislike.

My perspective completely differs from yours. I don't believe that New York is in a class by itself among US cities in what it has to offer and you do. I'll even drop Chicago from the discussion:

I, for one, can far more relate to little (3/4 million) San Francisco's greatness than I can to NYC's. I find SF a greater city, a place of dreams far more so than Manhattan. SF could very well be that "ultimate city" due to the fact that it does control its growth and creates a marvelous environment that, IMHO, Manhattan can not compete with. But again...that's just my opinion. and not fact.

Just like you seeing NYC as the center of the universe and the ultimate model for other cities. You see it. And I don't.

To each his own. All I know is that when I'm in New York, it is quite obvious to me that no other American city comes remotely close to offering up the level of stimulation that New York is known for. Not to take away from other vibrant cities, because there are several others that have a lot going on. Just not on the same level as New York. They don't call it "The City that Never Sleeps" for nothing. I realize that "greatness" is entirely subjective, but activity, vibrancy, urbanity and diversity are not subjective. If anyone argues New York's supremacy in these areas, they're either in denial or just completely delusional.

btw, I don't think this thread needed to take this turn. The guy asked a simple question. There are going to be different answers.

It still is common sense to not post this EXACT thread in the LA forum. He wasn't thinking at all. Anytime you compare cities and ask the question of which one is "better" you will always get more than you bargained for.

I've noticed many of the mid-sized metros point to Chicago, and say you might be the biggest and most urban in the midwest...but NY is bigger than you HAHAHAHHAHA!

it's sooo ridiculous.

So let me get this straight: a guy from LA asks which city he should move to, Chicago or New York. Someone from another Midwest city suggests New York and all of a sudden he's attacked for taking jabs at Chicago? How insecure. Chicago is an awesome city. I think New York is far more impressive. I'm not the only one. Deal with it.

Here's my two cents, Gulp!
Be nice. :D
Go to San Francisco. :) Why? Yes, New York and Chicago are bigger and probably have more different areas to choose from concerning the entertainment industry. However, that also may mean that there will be MUCH MORE competition there too. :)
Why not try San Francisco? There seems to be all kinds of entertainment productions, of ALL areas, going on just about in everywhere. I've been to all these cities. Lived in Chi-town as well. All 3 are great and offer different perks. New York: BIGGER and more choices to choose from. Chi-town: BIG with less choice than NYC, BUT, less competition for you. San Francisco: DECENT sized entertainment industry for it's size and probably a whole lot less competition for these jobs THAN in NYC and Chi-town. :D
Maybe that's a perspective that isn't being looked at yet. :)

^^ BTW, why not do what so many are doing now and go to Vancouver? :D LOL!

I've noticed many of the mid-sized metros point to Chicago, and say you might be the biggest and most urban in the midwest...but NY is bigger than you HAHAHAHHAHA!

it's sooo ridiculous.

That's Jive for you. :lol:

you guys are so funny. If Chicago isn't #1, you get all pissed.

I've noticed many of the mid-sized metros point to Chicago, and say you might be the biggest and most urban in the midwest...but NY is bigger than you HAHAHAHHAHA!

it's sooo ridiculous.

Well, it IS bigger and more urban than Chicago. I don't see what the big deal is. Someone started this thread and asked a question and Jive answered it.

Why is it that Chicago forumers act shocked and angry when someone else thinks that New York is more impressive? Do you Chicago forumers honestly expect everyone to believe that Chicago is the "#1 city in the US, the ultimate city in the nation."? Do you really believe it's only the midwesterners from midsize cities that like NYC better than Chicago because they're jealous of Chicago? Just to spite Chicago? Seriously? Or maybe, just MAYBE, many people really, honestly think NYC is more impressive?

^ Nah. They're definitely just jealous. ;)

I wonder why people get so serious on this forum.

you guys are so funny. If Chicago isn't #1, you get all pissed.

well, dealing with the ignorance of the masses who refuse to accept the truth can be frustrating enough to lead to anger. ;)


this thread is retardedly predictable.

So let me get this straight: a guy from LA asks which city he should move to, Chicago or New York. Someone from another Midwest city suggests New York and all of a sudden he's attacked for taking jabs at Chicago? How insecure. Chicago is an awesome city. I think New York is far more impressive. I'm not the only one. Deal with it.

NO SHIT it's more impressive you stupid douchebag. Its NEW YORK CITY.

What you do, is you say it every chance you get. You'll word it strictly to point to Chicago being inferior, mainly from your own jealousies of being from a town that lost 90% of its appeal in 1942. You point out the obvious in hopes of riling up some Chicago forumers. It'd be like saying "Did you know Richard Simmons is gay" everytime he was on TV.

well golly gee no shit.

I guess you missed the point...again.

I guess you missed the point...again.

Or you have no good response since everything I said is true. You do that shit a lot, you even go into the Chicago forum just to remind them NYC is #1.

In case anyone forgot, NYC is the largest, most urban, most cultural, most cosmopolitan city in America.

Jive will now reiterate this for you every few days.

I only state my opinion when someone asks for it, which is threads like these. Again, I think it's funny how some Chicagoans are so offended that anyone would think another city is superior to theirs.

NO SHIT it's more impressive you stupid douchebag. Its NEW YORK CITY.
uhh...that was my point from the very beginning. I was posting my opinion when it was asked for. style, you're the biggest shit-disturber on this forum.

You look for every chance to say it. You obviously take pride in reminding Chicago residents that they aren't NYC.

Chicago people are at least usually realistic, unlike most "mid-size city" forumers.

But just listen to the tone of edsg's writing, requesting that you understand and be sensitive since many Chicagoans think that Chicago is #1. Who the fuck cares, it's an opinion. If someone from another city felt that their city was better than Chicago, you'd probably get more negative and less sensitive comments in response to that line of thinking. It's fine not to believe in a pecking order but if you feel that way, don't be a hypocrit. If someone feels like NYC is the best city in the country, so be it, special accomodations shouldn't be made to appease certain people, esp. if the original opinion wasn't offensive in the slightest bit.

^^^ :rofl:

:lol:

I guess everyone hates #1. :(

I'm just kidding. Everyone here should really lighten up. A lot.

-Edit-

Nevermind. These are pretty fun to read. They remind me of the ol' CvC days. :')

Jesus fucking christ look at you little whining Chicago bitches you have all ready sucked the life out of the rest of the Midwest what the hell else do you want? I’m so tired of hearing you people whine all the time, shut the fuck up already.

"oooooh, the bitterness is strong with this one"

Jesus fucking christ look at you little whining Chicago bitches you have all ready sucked the life out of the rest of the Midwest what the hell else do you want? I’m so tired of hearing you people whine all the time, shut the fuck up already.

I'm a little confused here, Raytown. You appear to be saying Chicago is by far your favorite midwestern city? Did we get that one right?

So let me get this straight: a guy from LA asks which city he should move to, Chicago or New York. Someone from another Midwest city suggests New York and all of a sudden he's attacked for taking jabs at Chicago? How insecure. Chicago is an awesome city. I think New York is far more impressive. I'm not the only one. Deal with it.

Jive, there is nothing to deal with. You think New York is far more impressive. I think Chicago is far more impressive. You're as entitled to your
opinion as I am. There are no facts to deal with. It is strictly opinion.

I fully agree that a lot of people would find New York more impressive than Chicago. Others would find Chicago more impressive than New York. So what?

Real Chicagoans don't feel our city is in the shaddow of any city. Real Chicagoans can appreciate all that New York and LA have to offer (and they both have a lot) and not feel we're missing anything.

I never bought in to the concept that New York's more = better. You do and that's fine.

So please...enjoy the concept that you think that NYC is the ultimate city because it works for you, but don't assume that it does for all of us. I've been to New York many times. When I come home to Chicago, I find a city that I think has far more class than New York, that offers an urban enviroment far more inviting than New York.....and I'm perfectly happy knowing those are my thoughts, that I believe them, and that it is farily irrelevant (to me) if others disagree. What does matter: Chicago works for me. Just fine.

Jesus fucking christ look at you little whining Chicago bitches you have all ready sucked the life out of the rest of the Midwest what the hell else do you want? I’m so tired of hearing you people whine all the time, shut the fuck up already.

muhahahhahahahhahha oh no he didn't..... puhahahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I fully agree that a lot of people would find New York more impressive than Chicago. Others would find Chicago more impressive than New York. So what?


I think most people would find New York more impressive. A friend of mine from Hartford who met me in Chicago last summer, first time visit for him, described it as a "mini-New York". He's not a skyscraper city geek either, just a regular guy.

I prefer Chicago to New York. New York has a much more international feel, while Chicago feels more distinctly American.

I think most people would find New York more impressive. A friend of mine from Hartford who met me in Chicago last summer, first time visit for him, described it as a "mini-New York". He's not a skyscraper city geek either, just a regular guy.

that's fine, too. I don't see a problem with numbers. Do I think outsiders may find Chicago to be a "mini-New York"? yes. Do I think that the vast majority of Chicagoans find our city to be so vastly different from New York that we would never refer to it in those terms? Absolutely. Do I think most Chicagoans believe our city is greater than New York? Yes, I honestly do. Do I think that some Chicagoans are even smug on that issue? Yes, I do.

Maybe I'm strange in this respect, anti-cheese, but I take much more comfort in what Chicagoans think of Chicago than what out-of-towners think because they live her. And generally speaking, there are few cities that are as well loved and well respected by those who live there than Chicago is.

And for those who think New York is far greater than Chicago....well, God bless 'em...they're entitled to their opinions every bit as much as I am. No argument here.

Chicago shows its greatness on its streets, in its parks, on its lakefront and in so many other places. I don't have to do any comparison at all when I'm in my home town to know it is one of the greatest cities on the planet and in the shaddow of nobody.

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Of course everyone is entitled to his/her opinions. It has much less to do with size than it does with experience. I think there are many cities such as St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. that offer a much much much much more interesting experience than some cities much larger than them. But I have not yet found an American city that favorably compares to the feeling I get in New York. The urban life of New York is endless, and it's so much different than any other city, not just in scale either. But again, it is only an opinion.

But I have not yet found an American city that favorably compares to the feeling I get in New York. The urban life of New York is endless, and it's so much different than any other city, not just in scale either. But again, it is only an opinion.


I've found quite a few. Sometimes what NYC has to offer comes with such an oppressive overkill it's not always worth it.

Jive, it's not a Chicago issue to me. I'm not pitting Chicago against New York. I just don't feel that NYC is in this diferent stratosphere from other cities. I find other cities do things right because they are not NYC's size.

As I said before, leaving Chicago out of the conversation, I personally find San Francisco far exceeds New York as a city. it is humanly scaled. It offers a sense of place like no other city I've ever seen. On pure magic alone, SF is in a category by itself. Unlike New York, it awes you with its beauty more than its size and density. And SF is the most beloved city in the US for foreign visitors.

That SF is less of a city than NYC to me is absurd. But that's my opinion only.

BTW, a survey of MLB players asked which US city was their favorite. 34%, I believe, chose Chicago, which far exceeded the second place finisher, New YOrk with half Chgo's total at 17%. My reaction to the suvey? So what? Who cares what a bunch of baseball players think. It's just their opinion any way and that kind of crap has no effect on me....in a positive or a negative sense.

^I dig what you're saying and I absolutely LOOOOOVE San Francisco (and Chicago) too. But New York blows them both away in terms of the ultimate urban experience IMO. I actually prefer Brooklyn and Queens to the hyper-intensity of Manhattan too. That's what I love about New York-- there is so fucking much to choose from. Each borough offers a unique experience, but they are all decidedly New York. Maybe I can also attribute my bias towards NYC to my being Jewish. I feel a certain innate connection to the city because it is the de facto motherland of Jewish culture. I don't get that feeling anywhere else (plus, much of my family hails from the Big Apple and I spent almost a year in Brooklyn). I suppose I am not very objective on the subject.

I do not think New York has any peers in this country, even if there are several other bona fide great cities like Chicago, San Francisco, Boston, etc. What happens in New York influences many aspects of our lives as Americans, from pop culture to fashion to finance to politics to social issues. You can't say that about any other city.

btw, I read that MLB survey, and they ranked St. Lou as America's best baseball city. :)

In general, New York DOES have a peer city in this country, whether urbanists want to acknowledge Los Angeles or not. Sure, New York is "larger, more GNP, more corporations" but in all intent-purposes, Los Angeles is not that far off from New York's presence in this country (though I agree it's basically New York...Los Angeles...Chicago/DC/SF...blah blah).

Chicago is more human-scaled (or Midwestern, I suppose) than New York (that isn't to say New York doesn't have human-scaled areas; like Park Slope, Astoria, Staten Island, Riverdale Bronx, etc) and is perhaps more managable. At times, New York acts like a smaller city (since it is so large, it has many nodes, thus many "cities within cities"/neighborhoods that you forget you're in New York) and at times, Chicago seems like a smaller city (for obvious reasons). New York certainly is more impressive overall than Chicago, simply due to size, history, differentiations between boroughs (as Chicago can seem somewhat monotonous in regards to its North/West/South sides; again, that doesn't mean southside = northside = westside), and blah blah. Though impressive does not always mean "better." Taipei 101 is far more impresive than Chrysler, due to sheer size, but Chrysler is far more graceful/historic than Taipei 101 could ever be.

So I find a correlation between human-scaled-oriented people preferring Chicago (meaning, moreso suburbanites, clean-ish type people, Midwestern/Southern; those that prefer London/Boston over Tokyo/Paris etc) versus people who really love the densit/international appeal of New York (those that prefer Hong Kong/Tokyo/Paris over Montreal/San Francisco; or simply, Madrid over Barcelona). I'm not saying everybody is like that but in general, that is what I've seen over the years.

But I suppose the more one travels, the more things start to look alike. In a sense, even New York can come across "Midwestern" at times/areas.

I would say that LA is no more a peer to New York than Chicago is. LA and Chicago are both 10 point Aplha cities, and if anything, I would place Chicago's importance slightly above that of Los Angeles.

I would say that LA is no more a peer to New York than Chicago is. LA and Chicago are both 10 point Aplha cities, and if anything, I would place Chicago's importance slightly above that of Los Angeles.

if any city in the usa is a peer, i would definetely say LA, only LA dominates in its "niche" like nyc does.

Peer Shmeer,

WOrld City Girl City who cares there all opinions..

I'm from Detroit and Moving to Philadelphia for employment.. I think Philadelphia outranks all cities in the U.S including NYC.. There's Cost of Living, Schools, etc.. the Total Package Deal.

If someone has a choice between NYC and Chicago for acting, go to NYC it has more to offer.. Nothing against Chicago I've been to Chicago and every major mid west city but NYC is the place for Theater..

Perhaps I should clarify what I meant when I said that New York has no peer in the USA. I don't mean importance or history or economics or even size. I am referring to the omnipotent urban texture of the city. It is unparalleled by any city in this country. There are different types of urbanity from city to city, and it is all completely subjective. But it cannot be argued that New York offers everything and all the in-betweens when it comes to mega-international big city characteristics.

I would say that LA is no more a peer to New York than Chicago is. LA and Chicago are both 10 point Aplha cities, and if anything, I would place Chicago's importance slightly above that of Los Angeles.

^ Uh oh, lets not get THAT engine started..

ok. i give up. got to get with the program. new york is the unquestionable greatest city in the world. no american city can compare to it. nothing can touch it for sheer urbanity. if i can make it there, i'll make it anywhere. those little town blues are melting away. i'll take manhattan, the bronx and staten island, too.

My obvious choice on the top of my list is New York City because there is a better chance of getting a job in the entertainment industry. I like some help or any Advice please from a Newbie

I think you answered your own question. NYC is a big media/entertainment industry center so that would be your choice, if you want to stay in your field or want a lot of opportunities in it, and want to be in a big city with a dense urban core.

I would take NY over Chicago without a doubt. I have been to NY 3 times and Chicago 20+ times but wish it was the other way around.

So let me get this straight: a guy from LA asks which city he should move to, Chicago or New York. Someone from another Midwest city suggests New York and all of a sudden he's attacked for taking jabs at Chicago? How insecure. Chicago is an awesome city. I think New York is far more impressive. I'm not the only one. Deal with it.

and Tokyo is more impressive than NYC. Deal with it. If there was a title for World's Ultimate City, it would be Tokyo.

You look for every chance to say it. You obviously take pride in reminding Chicago residents that they aren't NYC.

Chicago people are at least usually realistic, unlike most "mid-size city" forumers.

Which is kind of funny, since the neighborhood I live (Mag Mile) in offers more than 90% of NYC. Yea, Im going to trade that for the Bronx, Queens, or Brooklyn just so I can say "I live in NYC". Who gives a fuck?

I think most people would find New York more impressive. A friend of mine from Hartford who met me in Chicago last summer, first time visit for him, described it as a "mini-New York". He's not a skyscraper city geek either, just a regular guy.

Its more impressive. Its 2.5 times bigger, city and metro. BUT more and more people are starting to prefer Chicago over NYC. Visit Yahoo.com travel reviews or other travel sites. Thats what matters.

Yeah yeah. NYC is denser and Manhattan is awesome. That tiny little island has been the apex of Americana for about a century or so. With all its history and unmatched (in America) vibrancy, it truly is the Big Apple. Is it the country's most impressive city?

Let's define our terms, shall we?

impressive: adjective 1 an impressive building magnificent, majestic, imposing, splendid, spectacular, grand, awe-inspiring, striking, stunning, breathtaking; informal mind-blowing, jaw-dropping. antonym ordinary

Well, the answer could be yes, and probably will be yes for most people. The word, however, isn't as objective as some people seem to think it is.

and Tokyo is more impressive than NYC. Deal with it. If there was a title for World's Ultimate City, it would be Tokyo.
I personally disagree with this. Tokyo lacks the ethnic diversity of New York. Again, if size were the measure, you're right-- Tokyo wins. But I don't give a flying fuck about size. Why can't you accept that there are plenty of people out there who think New York is the greatest city? I just don't get it.

Which is kind of funny, since the neighborhood I live (Mag Mile) in offers more than 90% of NYC.
Oh please. Even you know this is complete bullshit.

Maybe you took 90% wrong. Not 90% of NYC COMBINED. If you didnt take the number wrong, you are full of shit. Nothing in Brookyln, Queens, SI, or the Bronx and most of Manhattan offers what North Michigan (and surrounding areas) does.

I personally disagree with this. Tokyo lacks the ethnic diversity of New York. Again, if size were the measure, you're right-- Tokyo wins. But I don't give a flying fuck about size. Why can't you accept that there are plenty of people out there who think New York is the greatest city? I just don't get it.

Now size doesnt matter? LMAO.
There are people who think Chicago, Philly or SF are the greatest city. You seem to have a problem with that, saying how much NYC has to offer (due to size).

Ultimate City. Tokyo shits all over NYC outside of diversity.

BUT more and more people are starting to prefer Chicago over NYC.

Do you have any numbers, or is that just a theory?

Visit Yahoo.com travel reviews or other travel sites. Thats what matters.

What are you trying to say here? There are more positive reviews for Chicago than New York?

Tell me this, who gets more tourists, Chicago or New York? I personally don't think it matters, but you brought it up. I think the answer is obvious.

Now size doesnt matter? LMAO.
There are people who think Chicago, Philly or SF are the greatest city. You seem to have a problem with that, saying how much NYC has to offer (due to size).
Uhh...no I don't have a problem with others thinking that other cities are better than New York. People attacked me because I told LAwestsider to move to New York instead of Chicago. That's how this shitfest began.

Maybe you took 90% wrong. Not 90% of NYC COMBINED. If you didnt take the number wrong, you are full of shit. Nothing in Brookyln, Queens, SI, or the Bronx and most of Manhattan offers what North Michigan (and surrounding areas) does.
Oh give me a fucking break. You are absolutely delusional. 5th Avenue? Madison Avenue? Broadway in SoHo?. There is nothing in Chicago that you can't find more of in New York, save for Chicago-style hotdogs and Polish people. Just stop now.

Do you have any numbers, or is that just a theory?



What are you trying to say here? There are more positive reviews for Chicago than New York?

Tell me this, who gets more tourists, Chicago or New York? I personally don't think it matters, but you brought it up. I think the answer is obvious.

It does look like Chicago gets better ratings in these websites. NYC gets more tourists (it is a bigger city) but Chicago isnt far behind and gets closer every year. Chicago also gets more business travelers than NYC does.

Uhh...no I don't have a problem with others thinking that other cities are better than New York. People attacked me because I told LAwestsider to move to New York instead of Chicago. That's how this shitfest began.


Oh give me a fucking break. You are absolutely delusional. 5th Avenue? Madison Avenue? Broadway in SoHo?. There is nothing in Chicago that you can't find more of in New York, save for Chicago-style hotdogs and Polish people. Just stop now.

What are you talking about? Most of Manhattan doesnt offer the hotels, shopping and restaurants entertainment that North Michigan does. I wont even bother with the outer boroughs.

5th and Madison Avenue are included in that 10%.

^Keep talking bro, you are sounding more asanine with each and every post.

^
North Michigan is widely regarded as one of the premeire areas of the World. Most of NYC is NOT.

Whatever you say...

lol, north michigan? wow,,, we're getting desperate here chicago! come on..... 5th ave alone kicks north michigan. then theres soho/noho, madison.

"most of manhatten doesn't offer the the hotels, shopping and restaurants entertainment that North Michigan does. I wont even bother with the outer boroughs. "

broadway alone can kick north michigan in hotels & entertainment
anywayz you sound like your digging for something thats not there. and why do you keep comparing all of the boroughs to just north michigan, you swear chicago has anything outside of downtown/northshore. Chicago is great city, it's when it's forumers get delusional like this that the city becomes just a nice city. ( on this forum that is)

^

Anyway, I never said combined. I said there is NOTHING in the outer boroughs or most of Manhattan NEIGHBORHOODS that can compare with Michigan Ave. No? Harlem does? Washington Hts? Hells Kitchen? The Lower east side? Chelsea? Your delusional if you think that shit is true.
When did those places have the best hotel in the world? The department stores? Tell me where, instead of denying shit and blowing smoke out of your ass.

LA1 is anti- east coast!

^

Anyway, I never said combined. I said there is NOTHING in the outer boroughs or most of Manhattan NEIGHBORHOODS that can compare with Michigan Ave. No? Harlem does? Washington Hts? Hells Kitchen? The Lower east side? Chelsea? Your delusional if you think that shit is true.
When did those places have the best hotel in the world? The department stores? Tell me where, instead of denying shit and blowing smoke out of your ass.


i don't understand what it is you are arguing? you comparing north michigan to everything in the nyc area? wow, how about i take times square and compare to all of chicagoland, where in chicagoland is there the vibrancy, the people flow, the lights, the density, the theatres, the fame, the hype, etc that times square has? lincoln park? ravenswood? uptown? lakeview? rogers park? hyde park? bucktown?



if your going to compare like that then theres no point. your arguement/comparison is ridiculous.

Now size doesnt matter? LMAO.
There are people who think Chicago, Philly or SF are the greatest city. You seem to have a problem with that, saying how much NYC has to offer (due to size).

Ultimate City. Tokyo shits all over NYC outside of diversity.

thanks, LA1. i was beginning to think i was the only one who thought this way. there is no ultimate city. and if there were, i suspect it wouldn't be the largest since largest isn't necessarly the best, workable size. it really is how you see it.

people think I'm bringing Chicago into the issue far more so than I really am. It isn't Chicago the issue to me as much as the assumption that New York is greater, by far, than any other city.

and as for Chicago, nothing gets my ire than to be referred to as a "mini-New York". That one burns me. We're not NYC on any level and we're happy we're not. We have our own great identity and we wouldn't trade ours for New York. We love the scale of our city, the pace of our city, the urban sense of our city and we're not trying to be any place but our own.

I would no more refer to New York as a awkwardly overgrown Chicago than I would refer to Chicago as a "mini-New York".

I would take NY over Chicago without a doubt. I have been to NY 3 times and Chicago 20+ times but wish it was the other way around.

you've got a lot of support here in chicago. next time, please do pick new york.

LA1 is anti- east coast!

Not this guy again.

Yes this guy again get life homie why are you so against the east coast did you had a bad experience there? I got question for you champ what's so great about living in LA no disrespect?

i don't understand what it is you are arguing? you comparing north michigan to everything in the nyc area? wow, how about i take times square and compare to all of chicagoland, where in chicagoland is there the vibrancy, the people flow, the lights, the density, the theatres, the fame, the hype, etc that times square has? lincoln park? ravenswood? uptown? lakeview? rogers park? hyde park? bucktown?



if your going to compare like that then theres no point. your arguement/comparison is ridiculous.

One, do you live in Times Square? Two, you can have it, Im not impressed by it. Im not a country rube that likes Giant MCDs, Applebees and other cookie cutter crap.
Three, for the last fucking TIME, Im not comparing North Michigan to all of NYC, or metro. I NEVER SAID COMBINED (what is that, like 5 times now?).
Jesus Christ...I live in the Mag Mile. My point was I wouldnt trade it for most neighborhoods in NYC, because they dont offer everything I have now outside of my front door. Neighborhood vs Neighborhood. DUH, how hard is it for you to figure that shit out??? Thats what it comes down to...neighborhoods, not the city you live in. Do you honestly think people are happier or more proud in East New York Brookyln than in Georgetown, D.C? Fuck no.

So while Jive is saying how much more NYC has to offer as a whole, it doesnt mean shit to me. Why? My neighborhood is better than 90% (not combined)of neighborhoods in NYC.

Yes this guy again get life homie why are you so against the east coast did you had a bad experience there? I got question for you champ what's so great about living in LA no disrespect?

If you read any of my posts, you would know I live in downtown Chicago.

Ahh here comes the comedy starring LA1 in the hit movie Monkey Business part 2! I need a good laught thank you so much LA1. You are a real guy!

One, do you live in Times Square? Two, you can have it, Im not impressed by it. Im not a country rube that likes Giant MCDs, Applebees and other cookie cutter crap.
Three, for the last fucking TIME, Im not comparing North Michigan to all of NYC, or metro. I NEVER SAID COMBINED (what is that, like 5 times now?).
Jesus Christ...I live in the Mag Mile. My point was I wouldnt trade it for most neighborhoods in NYC, because they dont offer everything I have now outside of my front door. Neighborhood vs Neighborhood. DUH, how hard is it for you to figure that shit out??? Thats what it comes down to...neighborhoods, not the city you live in. Do you honestly think people are happier or more proud in East New York Brookyln than in Georgetown, D.C? Fuck no.

So while Jive is saying how much more NYC has to offer as a whole, it doesnt mean shit to me. Why? My neighborhood is better than 90% (not combined)of neighborhoods in NYC.

lol, mag miles sucks. sorry. the stores there are nice but besides that theres not much. it always crowded filled with overweight fashion ass backwards tourists from you know wheres. at night there isn't much life, its pretty dead actually, very empty. mag mile was never my favorite part of chicago, lincoln park/east lakeview is chicago's gem in my opinion.

however in the end, its your opinion that matters, so thats great that you find mag mile better then 90% of the whole nyc area. just don't make it sound like its fact. and no i don't live in times square, i lived in east lakeview/lincoln park in chicago and i'm doing the same basically here living in greenwich =)

lol, mag miles sucks. sorry. the stores there are nice but besides that theres not much. it always crowded filled with overweight fashion ass backwards tourists from you know wheres. at night there isn't much life, its pretty dead actually, very empty. mag mile was never my favorite part of chicago, lincoln park/east lakeview is chicago's gem in my opinion.

And Times Square is different from that how?

Ironically this whole thread could be looked at as a testimonial for a city little mentioned here: Los Angeles.

For eternity, the LA forumers have said to us over and over again: don't judge us by your concept of a city. We're as urban as you are, only in a different way. Come try to understand us on our terms, on what makes our city tick.

Suddenly, with the help of this thread, it makes sense: LA is right! Absolutely correct.

LA says "don't compare me to New York. don't compare me to Chicago. I'm unique. I'm unlike any other place. I define my own brand of urbanism and it is exciting and cutting edge". LA dares to be different.

And LA is right.

New York is not the "ultimate" US city because such a city doesn't exist. They're all different and they each have something special to offer. Size does not bring greatness. Density doesn't bring greatness. Population doesn't bring greatness.

And just as the best damned house can be human scaled and not a McMansion, America's greatest and most spectacular city isn't automatically the largest and densest of all.

So it bothers me little that Evangelion or any of the rest of them trash Chicago. They don't have to like it or respect it and they're entitled to their opinion. Nobody says Chicago has to be considered a great city....nor do they say that New York has to be considered the greatest city.

lol, mag miles sucks. sorry. the stores there are nice but besides that theres not much. it always crowded filled with overweight fashion ass backwards tourists from you know wheres. at night there isn't much life, its pretty dead actually, very empty. mag mile was never my favorite part of chicago, lincoln park/east lakeview is chicago's gem in my opinion.

however in the end, its your opinion that matters, so thats great that you find mag mile better then 90% of the whole nyc area. just don't make it sound like its fact. and no i don't live in times square, i lived in east lakeview/lincoln park in chicago and i'm doing the same basically here living in greenwich =)

Not much? Could you please inform the Chicago Pensinula Hotel (best in the world), Four Seasons, Ritz Carlton, Park Hyatt etc they decided to come an area that doesnt have much. Its only the highest concentration of retail in the country. There are only a few places in the WORLD that can rival the hotels, shopping, restaurants that Mag Mile has, forget metro NYC.

Overweight backward tourists visit NYC ALOT more than Chicago. Mag Mile is like 50/50 of Chicagoland/tourists. 5th Avenue doesnt have any nightlife either, nor does Madison Ave. So what is your point?

And Times Square is different from that how?

:lol:

So while Jive is saying how much more NYC has to offer as a whole, it doesnt mean shit to me. Why? My neighborhood is better than 90% (not combined)of neighborhoods in NYC.
And what you say doesn't mean shit to me either. It's an opinion and for whatever reason you can't accept mine. I could say that my neighborhood is better than 90% than some other city's neighborhoods and it would be no more or less valid than your opinion of your own neighborhood.

Here's another opinion for you-- I do not think the Mag Mile is better than 90% of NYC neighborhoods. Not by a longshot.

Its not my opinion. There arent many places in the WORLD that offer what Magnificent Mile has. Its a fact.

And Times Square is different from that how?

its also the epicenter of theatre.

^
With backwards, overweight tourists visiting them the most.

And Times Square is different from that how?

not as many fashion ass backwards overweight tourists.

^
LOL, thats your opinion. Thats what stood out to me on my last visit. I could have sworn 6 busses from West Virginia just arrived.

^
LOL, thats your opinion. Thats what stood out to me on my last visit. I could have sworn 6 busses from West Virginia just arrived.

lol, at least new yorkers have enough others places to go to that times square is never visited by natives, unlike mag miles, its all there is when it comes to such spots.

the thing is , i myself always avoided times square, its great and awesome and all that other good stuff, but its for tourists, unlike magmile, because its on a smaller scale you have to combine natives/tourists to make it big.

not as many fashion ass backwards overweight tourists.

Haha, yeah right

If Mag Mile was all tourists, it would still be vibrant as hell. Sorry buddy.

Haha, yeah right


I remember this idiot in the Chicago forum. He makes alot of bullshit comments about Chicago. Just a few posts ago, he was exclaiming to the world how great Times Square is. LMAO.

Why is Mag Mile being compared to Times Square? lol. The only thing in Chicago that could have compared to Times Square was State and Randolph streets in the old days. Currently, there isn't really a Times Square type of place in Chicago.

To each is own about others opinions on which city to live! I does'nt matter what city to live in as long you make a decent living!

lol, you guys are both idiots, if chicago is the best place on earth, then why do you keep arguing with people on it, its one thing to have an opinion its another to make ridiculous accusations. i don't constantly sit here and preach that nyc is the best, i only talk about NYC when one of you guys start comparing Chicago to it.

lol, you guys are both idiots, if chicago is the best place on earth, then why do you keep arguing with people on it, its one thing to have an opinion its another to make ridiculous accusations. i don't constantly sit here and preach that nyc is the best, i only talk about NYC when one of you guys start comparing Chicago to it.

You say that Times Square gets fewer tourists than Mag Mile, and you don't expect to be called out on it? So far that's the only "ridiculous" thing I've read.

LA1 stated his opinion, and you guys jumped all over him for it. I think somebody has got it all backwards.

What do you all think of these links?
http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/57/top10.html

Americas Greatest Cities
http://www.americasgreatestcities.com

You say that Times Square gets fewer tourists than Mag Mile, and you don't expect to be called out on it? So far that's the only "ridiculous" thing I've read.

LA1 stated his opinion, and you guys jumped all over him for it. I think somebody has got it all backwards.

don't twist my words man. i said fewer overweight fashion backwards tourists than mag mile. not fewer tourists in general, that would just of course not be true, time square gets soooo many more tourists then magmile :runaway:

don't twist my words man. i said fewer overweight fashion backwards tourists than mag mile. not fewer tourists in general, that would just of course not be true, time square gets soooo many more tourists then magmile :runaway:

Ohhhh, fewer overweight fashion backwards tourists. I didn't know tourists had such specific sub-catagories.

:|

Ohhhh, fewer overweight fashion backwards tourists. I didn't know tourists had sub-catagories.

:|


of course RP1 thats why there are budget hotels vs. over the top hotels. thats why theres vip vs general. international/national/regional/black/white/fat overweight fashion backward.
all tourists but they can be broken down if wanted.

God, why won't they all just shut the hell up?

^^lol

of course RP1 thats why there are budget hotels vs. over the top hotels. thats why theres vip vs general. international/national/regional/black/white/fat overweight fashion backward.
all tourists but they can be broken down if wanted.

Let me rephrase that. Such specific sub-catagories. ;)

Jesus fucking christ look at you little whining Chicago bitches you have all ready sucked the life out of the rest of the Midwest what the hell else do you want? I’m so tired of hearing you people whine all the time, shut the fuck up already.


:lol:

Wow, guys. Wow. There's a lot of haters on this forum.

Overweight fashion backwards?

Lighten up!

Number of 300 foot or higher buildings:


Entire Midwest not including Chicago:
Completed since 2000: 10
Underconstruction: 4

Chicago City only:
Completed since 2000: 42
Underconstruction: 21

^^^Good point. Lol.

Thanks. I thought I would add my random two cents even if it unrelated to the topic at hand.

Number of 300 foot or higher buildings:


Entire Midwest not including Chicago:
Completed since 2000: 10
Underconstruction: 4

Chicago City only:
Completed since 2000: 42
Underconstruction: 21
I'm trying to figure out the relevance of this post to this discussion.

Well Jizz city he is upset that n one is buying the Chicago crap. You see when the Chicago forumers get upset they attack the rest of the Midwest sad isn't it. You Chicago people really need to get over yourselves and keep your fucking mouths shut, Chicago isn't the only great city in this country and it should be obvious to everyone that New York is the top dog in this country and blow Chicago away in shirt Chicagoans you need to shut you whiney ass before you fall on your asses.

nothing can contribute as much to a stimulating discussion than to have raytown add his own subtle and understated opinion. always great to hear from you ray; you add so much to any thread.
:)

I'm trying to figure out the relevance of this post to this discussion.

Well, don't try too hard. He himself said it wasn't relevant.

Well Jizz city he is upset that n one is buying the Chicago crap. You see when the Chicago forumers get upset they attack the rest of the Midwest sad isn't it. You Chicago people really need to get over yourselves and keep your fucking mouths shut, Chicago isn't the only great city in this country and it should be obvious to everyone that New York is the top dog in this country and blow Chicago away in shirt Chicagoans you need to shut you whiney ass before you fall on your asses.

you have scored a 10 on the Retard-O-Meter. Way to go!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well Jizz city he is upset that n one is buying the Chicago crap. You see when the Chicago forumers get upset they attack the rest of the Midwest sad isn't it. You Chicago people really need to get over yourselves and keep your fucking mouths shut, Chicago isn't the only great city in this country and it should be obvious to everyone that New York is the top dog in this country and blow Chicago away in shirt Chicagoans you need to shut you whiney ass before you fall on your asses.


i feel like this would be an excerpt from that movie with 50 cent is it? or was it 20cent?

mod's: this one is done. stick a knife in it!!!

I've decided that NY and Chicago just both suck.

Don't move to either. Paris is where its at.

stick a knife in yourself.

and for the last time chicago people.

SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW!!!!!!

Hi, Ray, old buddy,

I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused. Previously I thought you disliked our fair city. But now it seems that you are you actually saying here that Chicago is your favorite city and that you like Chicagoans.

In that case, welcome aboard! We're always happy to welcome another happy and satisfied windycityphile into the fold! :)

Again, ponder the following:

thread starter comes up with original post that:

• totally bashes LA

• invites us to choose between New York and Chicago by throughly bashing the city we don't choose

and, of course, we rise to the occasion, and even use Thugsville Ray to add the exclamation mark.

No wonder the skyscraper board got rid of City vs. City threads. This one thread is the perfect poster child why it was dropped.

So at the risk of being repetitive (guilty) and self-rightous (guilty), I'll say it again:

New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are three of thre greatest and most alluring cities on this planet. It would be difficult to spend any time in any of the three and not be aware of their greatness. Each is vastly different from the other so each offers its own special spin on what a great global city should be. None depends on the other two to confirm its greatness; the proof in each case is on the landscape.

There is no pecking order. Each city has its own size and density and each uses its size and density to its own advantage.

It would take the most insecure New Yorkers, Chicagoans, and Angelenos among us to believe it is a fact that one of these cities is in total reality way above the others. It would take an even more insecure New Yorker, Chicagoan or Angeleno who needs to trash the other two to make his/her own city look better.

And ultimately these three cities are far more linked and interdependent than they are competitive.....and all three will rise and fall with the fortunes of the United States in the 21st century.....a time period that is already giving every indication that our fortunes will be far less than the "American Century" that was the 20th....as other countries rise and compete with us in a fast changing world.

The US is in a precarious position; one thing we don't need is the stupid, provencial in-fighting here over which city is the utlimate or the best when, in actuallality, in this expanding global era, no city will even begin to be viewed as "ultimate" on any level; global cities have so much to offer that their relationship will be far more peer than rank order. Global power will be shared...and we here in the US will be just one player....along with our NY, Chgo, and LA.

There is a lot of infihting among the residents of various American cities, but as much as there is, it still doesn't approach the number of hired clappers I've seen for Toronto.

Toronto still wins the rabid residents CoC award hands down :)

Again, ponder the following:

thread starter comes up with original post that:

• totally bashes LA

• invites us to choose between New York and Chicago by throughly bashing the city we don't choose

and, of course, we rise to the occasion, and even use Thugsville Ray to add the exclamation mark.

No wonder the skyscraper board got rid of City vs. City threads. This one thread is the perfect poster child why it was dropped.

So at the risk of being repetitive (guilty) and self-rightous (guilty), I'll say it again:

New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are three of thre greatest and most alluring cities on this planet. It would be difficult to spend any time in any of the three and not be aware of their greatness. Each is vastly different from the other so each offers its own special spin on what a great global city should be. None depends on the other two to confirm its greatness; the proof in each case is on the landscape.

There is no pecking order. Each city has its own size and density and each uses its size and density to its own advantage.

It would take the most insecure New Yorkers, Chicagoans, and Angelenos among us to believe it is a fact that one of these cities is in total reality way above the others. It would take an even more insecure New Yorker, Chicagoan or Angeleno who needs to trash the other two to make his/her own city look better.

And ultimately these three cities are far more linked and interdependent than they are competitive.....and all three will rise and fall with the fortunes of the United States in the 21st century.....a time period that is already giving every indication that our fortunes will be far less than the "American Century" that was the 20th....as other countries rise and compete with us in a fast changing world.

The US is in a precarious position; one thing we don't need is the stupid, provencial in-fighting here over which city is the utlimate or the best when, in actuallality, in this expanding global era, no city will even begin to be viewed as "ultimate" on any level; global cities have so much to offer that their relationship will be far more peer than rank order. Global power will be shared...and we here in the US will be just one player....along with our NY, Chgo, and LA.

Don't waste your time and energy Edsg trying to talk some sense into those idiots. Some people you just can't get to no matter what you do. There will always be assholes who come in and turn an intellectual thread into a joke, and you shouldnt have to prove anything to them.

This thread is done.