Those pictures are incredible, I can't deny that it must feel very powerful to walk in such an enormous crowd with people of the same beliefs.

Let's stay ontopic or this thread gets closed again.

Ok, back on topic, two questions. Does the construction stop during the Hajj? Will the tower partially open before being finished 100%, or will they wait for the spire, clock, etc. to complete?

please keep on topic. be tolerant to others but nevertheless don't forget:
'Toleranz heißt, die Intoleranz nicht zu tolerieren. (Karl Popper)'
('Tolerance means not to tolerate intolerance.') :)

as i mentioned before, i think this building is amazing. of course they could have chosen a better place but maybe it's this very special location which gives the abraj al-bait the icing on the cake.

The render is too small. In any case, they should use the numerals on the right. The ones on the left are western.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/EgyptphoneKeypad.jpg

Both are Arabic numerals ! The one on the right was mostly used in the Middle-East and that on the left in Northern-Africa. Europeans adopted the latter because it was more convenient to use with Arabic modern mathematics (algebra) than the roman numerals that prevailed for more than one and a half millenia.

^^^^
Quite interesting

ENOUGH

no political, racist or religious off topic issues in this thread anymore or I'm starting to brig people. Warnings will be given to the ones who recently trolled this thread with nonsense. Keep it skyscraper related!

you tell em. it has to stop or banning will take place.

Just did :)

zzz.. I DIDN'T MISUNDERSTAND YOU BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OFFTOPIC POSTS. Don't you understand this is a skyscraper forum? I'm going to give you a cooldown period of 3 days.

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/hajj_11_27/h02_21201537.jpg


Source and more pictures of the Hajj: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/eid_aladha_and_the_hajj_2009.html

I love the way the city flows amongts the hills like water

this tower is the perfect center of a new skyline,
mecca could have on of the most harmonic skylines in future,

great panorama picture,,..

This was taken 26-Nov morning in a cloudy weather.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1395/4136745289bb7d8216e9b.jpg

great up date...

Seems to have slowed down quite a bit.

This is not a building! It is a skyline!

This is not a building! It is a skyline!


+1

Definetly there are in total 7 towers.

6 of them are 220m+ and one of them is over 550m+

If that isn't a mini skyline, i dont know what is.

Very nice update ! It might have surpassed the 350m. mark... Looks so inmense !

^^ currently over 400 m maybe over 420 m, virtually it is the second Middle Eastern building to reach the world top 10 now, probably surpassing Jin mao and Trump Tower.

This building is just so WRONG!

It's the wrong location and detracts from the jewel of the city. I hope the Saudi King comes to his sences and puts an end to this been built any higher

^^ currently over 400 m maybe over 420 m, virtually it is the second Middle Eastern building to reach the world top 10 now, probably surpassing Jin mao and Trump Tower.

soon there would be a third in kuwait city Al hamra tower will blow everything away:nuts:

they should build 4 more of these things 4 the sake of caring 4 pilgrims and so people could get more focused on the middle jewel

Sorry to ask a random question as I finally caught up on the updates here in some time... Those photos a couple pages back are insane but why are all the cars just heaped like junk? Was that from flooding or did people abandon them? Seems odd to see that.

they should build 4 more of these things 4 the sake of caring 4 pilgrims and so people could get more focused on the middle jewel

Even another 4 more buildings with the same size and capacity, it is still far more than enough to accommodate 2 millions pilgrims.

The second concern is: most of the pilgrims are poor, coming from the poor Muslim countries such as northern Africa, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan. They cannot afford to stay in this hotel.

Cheers!

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6341/bridgeoc.jpg

Sorry to ask a random question as I finally caught up on the updates here in some time... Those photos a couple pages back are insane but why are all the cars just heaped like junk? Was that from flooding or did people abandon them? Seems odd to see that.

yes, it was picture from the last flooding in Jeddah, jeddah received a record amount of rain within 6 hours and flooded eastern part of the city killing more than 113 (toll is still rising as we speak)
more than 3000 cars wrecked

http://www.alriyadh.com/2009/11/27/img/116008556979.jpg
http://www.alriyadh.com/2009/11/27/img/207315982107.jpg

Even another 4 more buildings with the same size and capacity, it is still far more than enough to accommodate 2 millions pilgrims.

The second concern is: most of the pilgrims are poor, coming from the poor Muslim countries such as northern Africa, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan. They cannot afford to stay in this hotel.

Cheers!

the ones in the gcc countries can afford it and also people will keep increasing if there is more space. the mosque and the hotels must expand for the sake of the prilgrims. more supply will increase demand and reduce the price.

soon there would be a third in kuwait city Al hamra tower will blow everything away:nuts:

If you mean third building + 400 m in Middle East, Yes ; to reach world top 10, never.

hows dramatic that picture,cant believe its happend in middle east....many people said thats global warming its real...

The green glass of the tower actually sucks, having a deeper look at it.

The green glass of the tower actually sucks, having a deeper look at it.

^^ It matches the mosque, you need to look deeper!:lol:

hows dramatic that picture,cant believe its happend in middle east....many people said thats global warming its real...

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a flood happens, and you blame it on global warming?

OK, you think that

hows dramatic that picture,cant believe its happend in middle east....many people said thats global warming its real...
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a flood happens, and you blame it on global warming?

OK, you think that

i understand why VRS blames it on Global Warming.
Global Warming doesn't only mean high temperatures, it also means unpredictable patterns in weather.

having said that, one should realize that Saudi Arabia is one of the driest places on Earth. it only rains once or twice a year. sometimes even less.
for a country like this, flooding in that scale is certainly something worth turning attention of people.

edit

Do that many of you really think it's ugly? I find it to be one of the most beautiful supertalls ever built. I'm not sure about the location, right next to the mosque, but I'd really like to have this building in my city.

^^may be the prejudices

or may be their taste is different.

as for me, i don't think its the most beautiful.
but i don't think it "is the most ugliest in the world" either.

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a flood happens, and you blame it on global warming?

OK, you think that

i was type = many people said global warming its real...
i never blamed global warming...

global warming its happened because its any reason, probably from human activity..

here is a nice rendering from the Dubai Chronicle. does anyone know what the writing at the top of the tower says?

http://www.dubaichronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/an-artist-render-of-emaar-residences-at-abraj-al-bait.jpg?d
http://www.dubaichronicle.com/business/property/emaar-unveils-serviced-residences-at-abraj-al-bait-in-makkah-1509


In English this translates into "Scat Play".

....a flood happens, and you blame it on global warming?

There has been quite a few major flood events around the world this year.

It was also quite a year for Major Typhoons in the Pacific Ocean. We also got to see another rare Southern Hemisphere Storm (one that spins clockwise instead of counterclockwise), Cyclone Anja. Lucky for the US and Central America that this year was unusually quiet in the Atlantic. However, the US has seen some serious flooding events as well caused by heavy rainstorms.

So no, we're not blaming it for just one flood. We're blaming it for all of them.

November 23, 2009
sorry about the bad quality
it was taken using my cellphone

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http://up.njmuae.com/uploads/images/njmuae___77eddf35c1.jpg (http://up.njmuae.com/uploads/images/njmuae___77eddf35c1.jpg)

from the back side

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UPDATE: Height of the project has been decreased 4 meters to be 591 m

I hope the moderator changes the topic of the thread to be 591 m not 595 m anymore.

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Final height: 591 M

No reason to apologize for those pictures, abumuhannadh. Very nice update...thanks a lot.

No reason to apologize for those pictures, abumuhannadh. Very nice update...thanks a lot.
Agree! It's good to have recent (and good) pics of Qibia Tower and the back side of the Royal Hotel.

I wonder what's the reason for the new height. Skipping of one floor or a slight redesign of the top for instance?

Great update....I love this building!!!!!

Agree! It's good to have recent (and good) pics of Qibia Tower and the back side of the Royal Hotel.

I wonder what's the reason for the new height. Skipping of one floor or a slight redesign of the top for instance?

One of the floor height was almost 9 meters but floor purpose has been changed which is why the floor height has been reduced by 4 meters to 5 meters.

I haven't been following this thread, which render is the correct one?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6500/abrajalbait2vi4.jpg

or

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1979/mecca1.jpg

[QUOTE=ABC LV;48174849]I haven't been following this thread, which render is the correct one?

The top one with the clock face beneath the spire. If there's any additional modifications, it seems that is where they will be. The base and shafts of these towers are very much the same in both renders.

Then somebody should edit first post of this thread...

Makkah to be made world’s most advanced city: Governor

JEDDAH: Steps are currently under way to make Makkah the world’s most advanced city, said Makkah Gov. Prince Khaled Al-Faisal, Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper reported yesterday.

“A comprehensive study has been launched with the participation of Saudi and international experts, including those from the United Nations, to develop Makkah into the most beautiful and advanced city of the world by employing latest communication and transportation techniques,” said Prince Khaled.

The prince was speaking at an annual meeting that discussed the execution of a strategy for the development of the region at Dar Al-Hekma College in Jeddah on Thursday.

“As you know, the Makkah region and its people have launched a strategy — unprecedented in its nature — to develop the region. I have been honored to be entrusted with the task of serving the Makkah region after getting royal approval,” he said.

“I undertook the task of devising a strategy with people’s cooperation to develop Makkah on the basis of the government’s five-year plan,” he added.

The prince noted with satisfaction that many issues affecting Jeddah, such as water shortage, garbage problem, unplanned housing and congestion at the King Abdul Aziz International Airport have been solved.

“I remember, when I took charge as the governor of the province, people used to say water was the most serious issue. Now the issue has been tackled successfully with the introduction of two floating desalination plants and the commissioning of the Al-Shuaiba desalination project, which supplies water to Makkah, Jeddah and Taif,” Prince Khaled said.

The problem of environmental pollution caused by frequent fires at garbage dumping centers has been solved with proper monitoring of such locations and the adoption of safety measures. Another major issue was congestion at King Abdul Aziz International Airport, particularly during the peak season. “That problem has also been solved to a great extent and would be solved for good with the completion of the airport expansion project in 2012,” the governor said.

Another problem in the region is the presence of illegal people, said the governor, adding that several steps are being taken to overcome it.

“It would be a great achievement if the problem is solved as such issues remain unresolved in most countries,” he said. “This is not a problem faced by Saudi Arabia alone. Other countries also face similar problems and they have not found solutions to it,” he said.

In his speech, Prince Khaled also disclosed his intention to set up a management academy to train administrators and youths in administration for managing huge projects.

Smart cities in the cards, says Prince Khaled

JEDDAH – The cities in Makkah Region will be converted into smart cities fully equipped with the latest available modern technologies, Prince Khaled Al-Faisal, Emir of Makkah Region, said here on Sunday.
Talking to Okaz after a tour of Khozam Project in the city, Prince Khaled reiterated that the public and private sector should work hand-in-hand in the development projects of the Kingdom.
King Abdullah, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, has been repeatedly advocating cooperation between the public and the private sector in all the developmental projects across the Kingdom, the Emir said.
The said cooperation, Prince Khaled said, has already been proved beneficial and he cited the project for development and treatment of unplanned districts in Makkah Province. The participation of the two sectors is the pillar of this development, the Emir said.
He added that they were now at the first stage of the start of developing unplanned districts in Jeddah and the Executive Committee overseeing the project meets periodically to follow up work progress.
The project covers four unplanned districts – Al-Balad, Al-Sabeel, Qasr Khuzam Area and Al-Nuzla.
“When the project starts and can be seen by citizens they would realize how these unplanned districts have been converted into modern areas fully equipped with all the sophisticated technology providing a decent life for the citizens in the region.
Prince Khaled said the citizens would realize the importance of this project which has socio-economic and cultural aspects. It will achieve a qualitative change for the man in Jeddah city. “Residents of these districts would find themselves shifting from areas totally isolated from man’s needs in this age to modern constructions in districts fully equipped with the required infrastructure, schools, hospitals, parks and all the other modern means,” he said.
“I believe the coming ten years would witness a big qualitative change in the region and achieve everybody’s dreams in living in districts making them feel they are living in the first world,” he said.
Prince Khaled said residential buildings are being rehabilitated by the companies executing the development projects and the citizens of these districts will shift to them.
Prince Khaled made an inspection tour of the site for the Qasr Khozam Unplanned Districts Development Project. Work in removing the debris and preparing the land for developing the infrastructure began on March 16.
Prince Khaled who is also Chairman of the Executive Committee for the Development of Unplanned Districts in Makkah Region presided over the project’s executive committee meeting.
The meeting dealt with the mechanism for compensating the Saudi real estate owners whose properties come within the development projects for unplanned districts, those not possessing title deeds, the program for supporting those whose compensation is insufficient to own an alternative residence in the Qasr Khozam Area Development Project, the mechanism for compensating real estate owners from the rent income and the conditions that must be fulfilled by the beneficiaries.
He stressed the state’s keenness to solve all the social aspects and remove all the obstacles hindering execution of the project through the compensation mechanism that serves everybody’s interests and safeguards their rights.
– Okaz/SG

December 1, 2009

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let's zoom little bit

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zoom little more

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from another angle

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let's zoom again

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Iron Bars???

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from behind Hilton

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the ones in the gcc countries can afford it and also people will keep increasing if there is more space. the mosque and the hotels must expand for the sake of the prilgrims. more supply will increase demand and reduce the price.

Are you sure?

I do not think so.

To complete all housings or hotels for pilgrims, meaning still need 10 to 20 years more. And many things will change within this period.

Also consider this: the more rooms they provide the more they will increase the numbers of pilgrims to enter.
Let us say that they just allow 2 million pilgrims right now, perhaps someday they will allow 5 millions pilgrims. In other words, there will be never enough rooms supply and the price will always high.

Great update, thanks abumuhannadh:)

Thanks abumuhannadh for excellent update.

Does anybody has information about when they are going to destroy this ugly little building in front of the entrance which can be seen on the first one of the most recent shots of abumuhannadh?
I just remember that somewhere in the thread someone mentioned that it belongs to one of the members of the royal family, that's why they hesitated with the destruction...

great up date...

This project is unreal. Can't take my eyes off of it.

Reminds me of Moscow Stalinist skyscrapers, but overall looks very fine!:)

I laughed whan I read this title:
"Makkah to be made world’s most advanced city: Governor"

if this wasn't such a contradiction I might have taken this a bit more seriously... but to say that there is anything "advanced" in an Islamic theocratic monarchy is just ridiculous!

I would one day love to visit this city, but because of religion, I am not allowed? This is decades, no centuries away from being "the world’s most advanced city".

I laughed whan I read this title:
"Makkah to be made world’s most advanced city: Governor"

if this wasn't such a contradiction I might have taken this a bit more seriously... but to say that there is anything "advanced" in an Islamic theocratic monarchy is just ridiculous!

I would one day love to visit this city, but because of religion, I am not allowed? This is decades, no centuries away from being "the world’s most advanced city".

Technological advancement and social advancement are two very different things.

December 4

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2641/4174003901_0706a8141f_o.jpg

December 6

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credit : 'asyiqul^huur

gross

Awesome! ...

Some of you are so ignorant... Y'all should stop! If you don't like what you see - fine... but don't be so disrespectful.

^^ Great update, Although I don't see a lot of progress, probably due to Hajj:)

Thanks abumuhannadh!

Keep up our great work.

Finally "we" got rapporteurs from all great constructions sites, like you (AAB), mono (TST), imre (Dubai), zorg (PC) and so on. Only one for Shanhai Tower I'm missing.

now how many meters?

Thanks abumuhannadh!

Keep up our great work.



Have to second this, thanks for all the updates here:)

this city look not cool, but this tower is good

Great close-ups (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=48189473&postcount=3552), abumuhannadh! So construction has switched from concrete only to steel with concrete core. That overhanging transition is remarkable, especially those boxes on both sides. Further up, some beams already indicate the next jut of the facade. And the core could've reached the highest regular floors IMO, before the "clock tier" commences. :cheers:

Oh my God !!! It is enormous and beautiful even UC.... Cool pics !

The more I see it, the more I like it. This project is like a behemoth, a metaphorical name to be used for any extremely large or powerful entity.

This really should have been built in Jeddah or Riyad, not Mecca

Disturbing. Looks like a totalitarian Las Vegas casino. Despite the Islamic motifs, I think Stalin would approve.

This really should have been built in Jeddah or Riyad, not Mecca
+1

what a massive project....

Disturbing. Looks like a totalitarian Las Vegas casino. Despite the Islamic motifs, I think Stalin would approve.

I always thought it looked like the Moscow University building.

Thanks abumuhannadh!

I haven't been following this thread, which render is the correct one?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6500/abrajalbait2vi4.jpg

or

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1979/mecca1.jpg

this monster really ruins the holiness of masjid al haram :bash: :bash: :bash:

this monster really ruins the holiness of masjid al haram :bash: :bash: :bash:

but the government of Mecca has allowed to build that project at that location..

For me... It just looks really tacky. Islamic architecture is usually very refined and elegant, but I can't say that about this building.

^ agreed it should have been built in a different part of town with a train running from it to a station at mecca. Even though im not muslim if i was id want it to look as close to original and sacred as possible. This thing takes out the holyness of it and just makes it look like any other part of the world or even worse.

9/12/2009
Photo by H.I.Gazzaz (http://www.flickr.com/people/30794489@N06/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2547/4177136962_27e45876fb_b.jpg

13/12/2009
Photo by abedallha Zatari (http://www.flickr.com/people/abu_rshad/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/4181846414_581d1d2566_o.jpg

:) ...

cool!!

I like this night shot!!!:cheers:

it will be any new tower with almost same height with that tower..??

I can't say it's a nice tower but at 595m it has all my admiration

it will be any new tower with almost same height with that tower..??

yes dozens of new towers are under construction or approved with the same highs.

this monster really ruins the holiness of masjid al haram :bash: :bash: :bash:

How does it ruin the the holiness of the mesjid?
Perhaps because his building will get more attention and eyes of the people than the mesjid?

cheer!

30/11/2009
Photo by ali shugeer (http://www.flickr.com/people/26222836@N08/)

Full Size (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/4148874035_5a99d3c373_o.jpg)
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wow look really monster

this komplex is so big...

Is Mecca also open for normal people? or do you have to be muslim? cause I would really like to visit this tower, and sleep in the hotel :)

this komplex is so big...

Is Mecca also open for normal people? or do you have to be muslim? cause I would really like to visit this tower, and sleep in the hotel :)
You have to be Muslim from what i understand, sorry :)
I don't know how solid their screening process is, so you might be able to get in if you play a little role, and maybe wear a fake beard. If you do, make sure you bring an awesome camera so we get some high res shots of Abraj Al Bait. الملحد ياسر جورج يزور مكة (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGmOpVrYJ5Q)

You have a strange misconception, as to what constitutes being Muslim.

Santa Claus would be glad, to hear that he'd be able to sneak in if you were right, though.

I was semi-kidding. But frankly, the neck-beard is a highly popular symbol among fundamentalist Muslims, even in the western world.

I rather like the building ... up-close pictures reveal lovely decorations and "middle-eastern style" ornamentation. The ground floor has an elegant colonnade that is very attractive. However, in my opinion, the city of Mecca itself looks (from the photos) to be a rather ugly city as far as cities go. Lots of white boxes clustered on dry gray hills.

What's the current height?

I'm not a Muslim so I can't appreciate the building for religious reasons...but just architecturally, it's kinda blah. It's just some big towers with some hints of Islamic architecture slapped on. There's nothing really inventive about it.

Also, the gigantic clock and really the whole crown is one of the tackiest things I've ever seen on a skyscraper. It's so huge it just has no proportionality with the rest of the building.

The only thing I find interesting about it is the sheer size. It's absolutely massive. It's shocking to think that just the lobby portion is large enough to contain the Big Ben. Can you imagine what the evacuation plans are for a building that size?

BTW, anyone know how on Earth they're going to construct the spire? I assume they'll just lift something up like the Burj Dubai spire, or the Chrysler Building spire.

i don't undertand why some are turning this building about religion and others things

the building seems strange to the areas but there is a big problem of space there my mother told me that evry time so and the price of hotels high

but the owner of this building have seen right because they will make a lot of money because a lot of people wich to be near kaaba

this city look very very ugly, well this city will make be modern!!!

You have to be Muslim from what i understand, sorry :)
I don't know how solid their screening process is, so you might be able to get in if you play a little role, and maybe wear a fake beard. If you do, make sure you bring an awesome camera so we get some high res shots of Abraj Al Bait. الملحد ياسر جورج يزور مكة (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGmOpVrYJ5Q)

thats require to be Muslim if someone want enter of that city also that tower....??
then after go out from Mecca then he can change religion to not Muslim...
then a week later,when he must enter Mecca he can change religion to be Muslim again...
then a month later,after go out again from Mecca then he can change religion....etc..etc..

Is there a completion date on this thing? It's been U/C for a very long time.

thats require to be Muslim if someone want enter of that city also that tower....??
then after go out from Mecca then he can change religion to not Muslim...
then a week later,when he must enter Mecca he can change religion to be Muslim again...
then a month later,after go out again from Mecca then he can change religion....etc..etc..

Well if that is something you would do, I guess you could, if changing religions is something that doesn't bother you. Tells a lot about a person, this idea, though. Real ethical and moral code I see here. To see a building? Wow, just wow.

Is there a completion date on this thing? It's been U/C for a very long time.

I would guess it will be done sometime in 2011, although I am not sure if there is a known "completion date".

December 23, 2009

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credit : 'asyiqul^huur

that's sick ^^

Well if that is something you would do, I guess you could, if changing religions is something that doesn't bother you. Tells a lot about a person, this idea, though. Real ethical and moral code I see here. To see a building? Wow, just wow.
If you are an atheïst it's something that you can do. Than you don't have to change your religion, you just have to pretend you are religious.
But that's a bit off topic.

that's sick ^^

what's sick?

Do they say month /day/ year in Saudi Arabia, I thought it was only in US?
It's really a stupid system, it's like saying minutes/hours/seconds

Would you say (out loud) that today is 24th December or December 24th?

that's sick ^^

but Mecca government allowed that construction...
and because population of Mecca citizen, also million Muslim people every year come to Mecca...probably high rise tower its needed to be build..

Would you say (out loud) that today is 24th December or December 24th?

24th december, well in my language you just say 24 december it's written the same and all.

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how were you able to take this picture? its forbidden... you´re so lucky nothing happened to you ;)

how were you able to take this picture? its forbidden... you´re so lucky nothing happened to you ;)

its not forbidden :bash: what makes u say that ? -_-

Well if that is something you would do, I guess you could, if changing religions is something that doesn't bother you. Tells a lot about a person, this idea, though. Real ethical and moral code I see here. To see a building? Wow, just wow.

I'm pretty sure he would not be the first person to assume the persona of a religious muslim in order to experience Mecca. Don't lose any sleep over it...

its not forbidden :bash: what makes u say that ? -_-

o really? well I watched it on TV here in Germany... but maybe I just confused it with something else....

nice picture....perhaps thats the first time picture was took at that spot area....

amazing picture

Thank's to everyone for the amazing photos!

what's sick?

Sick is American slang meaning awesome or amazing, I'm sure it was a compliment.

how were you able to take this picture? its forbidden... you´re so lucky nothing happened to you ;)

Why is it forbidden?

But yeah if it is, that's a lucky shot. Thanks for risking it Captain Kimo :)

This is just my opinion.I really am very not happy with the tower being so close to the kabba!!!!Why does the holy city needs such a big and tall building like that in the first place?is it for the VIPs?

how many meters?

This is just my opinion.I really am very not happy with the tower being so close to the kabba!!!!Why does the holy city needs such a big and tall building like that in the first place?is it for the VIPs?

may be for VIP, it will certainly reduce the hotel problems in the holy city.........

I still agree with u, it should be far from the Grand Mosque.........

how were you able to take this picture? its forbidden... you´re so lucky nothing happened to you ;)

who said its forbidden ? i take pictures all the time in the Haram masjid... especially in the Kabba area. (i asked the saudi guy working there with the "religious police" they said its ok as long as you dont look suspicious and you dont point the camera at women)

This tower really represents what's bad about modern Middle Eastern architecture. It's all very nouveau riche - all money and no style.

Flaunting money about by building taller, cladding with gold, quasi Islamic designs - it's just tacky. The Middle East deserves better.

The Abraj Al-Bait is just hideous. If I were a Muslim, I'd be very angry that this gigantic monster was being built next to one of my religion's holiest sites. It's like building the 'New York, New York' Casino in Las Vegas beside the Vatican City.

what's sick?

sick as in cool

This tower really represents what's bad about modern Middle Eastern architecture. It's all very nouveau riche - all money and no style.

Flaunting money about by building taller, cladding with gold, quasi Islamic designs - it's just tacky. The Middle East deserves better.


Yes, it is tacky. On the other hand, most palaces build in europe are tacky and only their high age makes them classics. Moreover, we do not know if the locals appreciate this tackiness or not. Possibly they like it, so we should not judge.

European palaces tacky? Now that's an original statement to make.


I somehow happen to like the Abraj more now. But it definitely is the wrong place for such a big sucker.

^^ of course they are tacky, a lot of palaces are made for rich spoiled kids of people without any sense for style or fashion. they just put anything together which had some value

So you'd call a Knobelsdorff or a Neumann palace tacky, because there's marble and gold everywhere?
Seltsam.

@miau
He wasn't disagreeing with you, he only - indirectly - told you that "NO U!!!1" isn't a valid argument and never will be one.

@miau
He wasn't disagreeing with you, he only - indirectly - told you that "NO U!!!1" isn't a valid argument and never will be one.


What the heck are you talking about? I do not have the impression that the the prior discussion was as you describe, maybe you are confusing it with something else. Anyway. this is offtopic :p

So you'd call a Knobelsdorff or a Neumann palace tacky, because there's marble and gold everywhere?
Seltsam.

Things can be marvelously crafted, but still be tacky. For instance, you could carve the Mona Lisa into a piece of ivory using a diamond needle and then paint it with gold and sprinkle it with ruby and emerald. It is sure a hell of work and a lot of people would call it a masterpiece of craftmenship, but it is still tacky.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2765/4209923268_8be4d86667_o.jpg

nice picture....perhaps thats the first time picture was took at that spot area....

err...people have taken pictures from that spot many times before.

here is a shot i took in early 2006

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/406484889_d8e0b28d85_o.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2n20dg6.jpg

^^ amazing how this building is dwarfed by the massive construction

http://i48.tinypic.com/2n20dg6.jpg

thats good news :banana:

-Highest Hotel of the world
-largest and highest clock of the world
-another 7 star Hotel
-residents
-shopping mall

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4101965072_df92f6b95d_b.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2n20dg6.jpg

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Removing of this big ugly tower now and it will be perfect
:rofl:
+1

Yes, it would be perfect xD

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1033/2n20dg6.jpg

Nice one!:lol:

+1
lol

on the other hand, such a massive pile of kitsch is interesting again

Don't feed the troll. :ohno:

This thread is doomed, anyway. At least some had a good laugh eh.

Don't feed the troll. :ohno:

+1
thanks DreaM1981 for the update .

that building stood in the way =/ heard it belonged to the king...

Don't feed the troll. :ohno:

Okay just because you don't agree with what they say doesn't mean that they're a troll.

this big ugly tower isn't even finished yet. let's see how it looks like when it's done.

Will the actual clock, observatory, and other components that make up the top be fabricated off-site?

January 01, 2010

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btw, how long it takes to demolish a 16 storey building? i have seen that they don't normally use dynamites near the Mosque. are they bringing it down brick by brick? that might take little longer (the building is still visible)

wOw the giant hole in the foreground is for the masjid expansion =D nice update

.........................
a close look to the Small Ugly Tower (as Dream mentioned :D) it was pretty tall in 2001!!
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20056721.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20056588.jpg

Okay just because you don't agree with what they say doesn't mean that they're a troll.

Not to be agree is a thing and it's not the problem, "hijack" a pic from new information bring by DreaM1981 is another thing, it's not respecful.

BTW only Saudis are able to decide about this tower not the rest of the world.

1/1/2010
Photos by azoo10 (http://www.flickr.com/people/43178097@N03/)

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^^ Now that's a cool photo!

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation (Makkah), by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord that they may establish regular prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with Fruits: so that they may give thanks. (37)

رَّبَّنَآ إِنِّىٓ أَسۡكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِى بِوَادٍ غَيۡرِ ذِى زَرۡعٍ عِندَ بَيۡتِكَ ٱلۡمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُواْ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ فَٱجۡعَلۡ أَفۡـِٔدَةً۬ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ تَہۡوِىٓ إِلَيۡہِمۡ وَٱرۡزُقۡهُم مِّنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٲتِ لَعَلَّهُمۡ يَشۡكُرُونَ (٣٧)

does anyone have a recent satellite image of the area ?

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~tkhattab/Images/makkah-space.jpg

Here (http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=mecca&sll=33.137551,-98.4375&sspn=179.224252,360&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mekka,+Makkah,+Saudi+Arabi%C3%AB&ll=21.420552,39.82648&spn=0.004774,0.009645&t=k&z=17) is a link to google maps. It's newer but absolutely not up to date.

This one was taken in mid-2009.

http://i45.tinypic.com/lgr6d.jpg

No wonder they want to remake a huge part of the city...

That's a lot of demolition...

Update: The Clock now is ready in Makkah and a new layer of asphalt has been added to some roads to assure the safe transfer of the clock to the project.

It is a matter of two months maximum (God willing).

Update: The Clock now is ready in Makkah and a new layer of asphalt has been added to some roads to assure the safe transfer of the clock to the project.

It is a matter of two months maximum (God willing).

They ae going to lift the whole thing up in one piece?! I hope someone gets pictures.

it's impossible to transfer it in one piece!

it's impossible to transfer it in one piece!

Nothing is impossible when you have god by your side.:lol:

going on recent pix and my diagram i did 6 weeks ago, i think tower has reached main roof level at 390m?80fl
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/4117946629_6836dacd2f_o.jpg

going on recent pix and my diagram i did 6 weeks ago, i think tower has reached main roof level at 390m?80fl
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/4117946629_6836dacd2f_o.jpg

They ae going to lift the whole thing up in one piece?! I hope someone gets pictures.

No not one piece at all.

Many pieces and will be assembled on the site (God willing).

going on recent pix and my diagram i did 6 weeks ago, i think tower has reached main roof level at 390m?80fl
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/4117946629_6836dacd2f_o.jpg

CULWULLA, I mentioned before the height has been decreased for some reasons to be 591M (Final height).... and asked the moderator to change title of the topic here but no one changed it but title got changed in saudi arabia forum.

Hope you change your diagram too. Thanks

^thanks dream.ill amend diagram

Who has build the clock? Is it a Rolex? :nuts:

^^ as far I knew, No company could built it alone and it has been built by a JV of companies.

Soon I will provide you by all details (God willing) since I am not sure yet.

this tower looks very disjointed....or these tower rather...the center tower is quite tall compared to everything. i guess you gotta start somewhere.

That's a lot of demolition...

you bet!

this area had hotels that were as tall as 15 storeys.
i have pictures taken from up one of those hotels, the mosque wont be seen from ground level until you come pretty close.

now the mosque is all visible from a good distance from that side. makes it great for taking pics.

This one was taken in mid-2009.

http://i45.tinypic.com/lgr6d.jpg

I love the way the roads pop in and out of the hills. That city has more tunnels than an ant hill!

I watched this last night: http://www.hulu.com/watch/70099/national-geographic-specials-inside-mecca

It's a documentary about the hajj. I guess now I understand why they need this big hotel.

^^ Thanks for the link, can't get Hulu here in Brazil, but there's a Google Video link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-797266757108756953

5/1/2010
Photo by ŠãÙÐ ™ (http://www.flickr.com/people/40438247@N08/)
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Alpha1Estates launches Al-Tilal Villas Madinah and Royal Clock Tower Makkah

http://www.zawya.com/pr/images/RoyalClockTowerMakkah_2010_01_06.jpg

06 January 2010
Global Islamic real estate consultancy Alpha1Estates International said today it is launching Al-Tilal Villas Project in Madinah and the Royal Clock Tower in Abraj al-Bait in Makkah, allowing Muslims from all over the world to purchase property there.

The company, which launched to global acclaim on January 1 2006, said that the two projects demonstrate the strength of the real estate projects in the Holy Cities, set to be further developed over the next decade.

Alpha1Estates International is delighted to be working with the most reputable developers in the Middle East to allow Muslims to buy property in Makkah and Madinah,' said Mr Al-Alawi, Chairman of Alpha1Estates International. "By virtue of their unique nature, property in these projects is guaranteed by virtue of their unique nature to appreciate in the medium to long-term.'

Al-Tilal Villas in Madinah allows Muslims from all over the world to purchase permanent villa homes nearly 10 kilometres from the Prophet's Mosque. The Royal Clock Tower is the central tower in the Abraj al-Bait Project, 50 metres opposite the Grand Mosque in Makkah, which allows Muslims to buy apartments on 24-year leases as part of a government-based religious endowment.

Alpha1Estates International launched in 2006 to become the world's first company to market Saudi property globally and also the first company to market property in both Makkah and Madinah, with its projects ZamZam Tower, Makkah, Abraj al-Bait, Makkah, Hajar Tower, Makkah and Taiba Eastern Tower, Madinah all centrally located near the two Holy Mosques. In subsequent years, it has launched the world's first bespoke real estate consultancy programme and joint-investment fund focused on the Holy Cities.

In January 2010, the company launches the Ihsan al-Haramain Index, the first index to solely track Saudi-listed companies involved in real estate development in Makkah and Madinah.

"The Ihsan al-Haramain Index rose by over three percent this year, despite the global financial crisis affecting stock markets across the world," said Mr. Al-Alawi. "However, the stock of some major listed companies involved in real estate development in Makkah and Madinah has risen in value by over 20 percent since January 2009.'

The main reasons why Muslim real estate investors should seek to invest in the Holy Cities now, Mr. Al-Alawi said, is based on inelastic and rising global demand from the world's billion and a half-plus Muslims, supported by significant public and private sector investment in infrastructure, both for the Grand Mosques and transport to them.

Mr. Al-Alawi also said that over ten million Muslim pilgrims from 140 countries visit the Holy Cities annually for Hajj and Umrah, contributing 20 billion riyals ($5.3 billion) per year, the second-most lucrative source of the Kingdom's revenue after oil.

Real estate investment in Makkah and Madinah accounts for 40% of total real estate investments in the Kingdom, reflected in land prices in the Holy Cities being the most expensive in the world at between $70,000 and $110,000 per square metre.

The Grand Mosque in Makkah and the Prophet's Mosque in Madinah have undertaken multi-billion dollar expansion and infrastructure investment programmes, the CEO added.

Air transport to the Holy Mosques is also being boosted with the expansion of the Jeddah International Airport for Makkah and the Prince Mohammed bin Abdulaziz International Airport in Madinah, whilst ground transport is being transformed with the creation of the Makkah-Madinah Railway Link, set to be operational by November 2010.

Mr. Al-Alawi also said that the general macro-view of Saudi Arabia's real estate market remains strongly favourable, for residential, commercial and investment purposes.

"Demand for domestic housing, major real estate projects and a growing hospitality sector make the kingdom an attractive destination for global real estate investors," the CEO said. "The mortgage law for the Kingdom, which has been on the table for some years now, could finally come into force in 2010, supported by a renewed focus on middle-income housing.'

In the commercial real estate sector, Saudi Arabia was also the most attractive destination for retailers, with nearly 40 companies entering the kingdom in the past year, ahead of more than 60 countries around the world, Mr. Alawi added.

2009 CE/ 1430 AH has been an immensely successful year for Alpha1Estates International, Mr. Al-'Alawi said, with the company's reputation in the Middle East and globally enhancing. During the past year, the management of Alpha1Estates International have met royalty, statesmen, government ministers and chief executive officers from across the world.

Another major achievement for Alpha1Estates has been that in its role as the world's first real estate consultancy to be featured on YouTube.com, the company has now passed the 200,000 views mark on the video-sharing website. Nearly half of the viewers on the website channel have seen 'The VIP Experience: Dubai from the Sky', which features the first aerial footage of The World islands after their completion, The Atlantis Hotel on The Palm Jumeirah Island and Burj Khalifa (then the Burj Dubai) as the world's tallest building after it had exceeded 600 metres. Burj Khalifa, once called the Burj Dubai, is the world's tallest man-made structure at 828 metres and opened officially on 4 January 2010, with Alpha1Estates International's management in attendance.

Alpha1Estates International in 2010 also launched itself on premier social networking websites, Facebook, Twitter and Muxlim.

Website: http://www.alpha1estates.com

-Ends-

Contact:
Ms. Aisha Imam, Public Relations Director
Alpha1Estates International HQ
Marble Arch Tower
55 Bryanston Street
London
W1H 7AJ
United Kingdom
Tel: (44) 207 0609 786
Fax: (44) 207 1171 586
Email: a.imam@alpha1estates.com

© Press Release 2010
from Alpha1Estates International

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Saudi hotel to snatch world's tallest title in Q3 2010 !!

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/clocktower-makkah_thumb.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/578771-saudi-hotel-to-snatch-worlds-tallest-title-in-q3

^^There's nothing really new in that article, its just a misleading headline. The article means the worlds tallest hotel, and that's been known for some time that it would be the tallest hotel.

I like this one

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9466/4197734900735ac951a7b.jpg

From http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/35131--Fairmont-Hotels-&-Resorts-to-open-seven-new-hotels-in-2010

Makkah Clock Royal Tower, A Fairmont Hotel in Saudi Arabia, will be the focal point of the iconic Abraj Al Bait Complex, which includes seven towers and is adjacent to the Masjid al Haram, the holiest site in Islam. The 858-room hotel will offer Fairmont Gold, the brand’s exclusive lifestyle product offering, numerous dining outlets and conference facilities. The 76-storey hotel tower, at 577 meters (1893 ft.) high, will be among the world’s tallest and features a 40-meter (130 ft.) clock, more than five times larger than Big Ben in London, which will announce daily prayers to the Muslim world. A Lunar Observation Center and an Islamic Museum will add to the fascination of this one-of-a-kind property. Opening Q3 2010.

So, by the end of the year Dubai will loose the world record for the tallest hotel in the world.It hold it than nearly eleven years. I don't think Dubai will ever built a hotel tower which exceeds 595m.

last picture its stunning...can see hows its complex progress of that construction

It sort of resembles a giant version of the Wrigley Building.

It sort of resembles a giant version of the Wrigley Building.

very very giant...

Saudi hotel to snatch world's tallest title in Q3 2010 !!

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines/arabianbusiness.com/web/clocktower-makkah_thumb.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/578771-saudi-hotel-to-snatch-worlds-tallest-title-in-q3

and they intend to snatch the title of the Worlds tallest building as well, dubai will be devastated:lol:

Taken on Jan 2010

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Mecca is sorrounded by this thing

Mecca is sorrounded by this thing

its going to be the worlds largest building, taking the title away from Dubai's terminal 3

if you mean you can see it from anywhere in the city then yes. But its really in the heart of the city more intown then downtown. I personally can't wait to see what comes next

a zoomed in photo by Reem .SH

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/4296282558_547656dd91_o.jpg

Nice pics......

what happened with the project behind Abraj Al-Bait?Will it be realised

At night looks like it is fully occupied, nice lights !

I think the current height is somewhere near 400m. But it doesn't look like it's anywhere over that number yet.

I would love to see this building up close in person in context with the Hadj.

Is that stand alone building still at the entrance?

Pictures from romanian pilgrims
http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1929&st=40

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229610315/gallery_634_9_116016.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1717)

Mosque in the hotel

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229610315/gallery_634_9_98857.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1720)

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229560837/gallery_634_9_136119.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1692)

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229560837/gallery_634_9_124371.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1693)

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229560837/gallery_634_9_96067.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1694)

http://forum.islamulazi.ro/uploads/1229560837/gallery_634_9_120793.jpg (http://www.islamulazi.ro/forum/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=1695)

^^ NICE! ^^

WOW!

and they intend to snatch the title of the Worlds tallest building as well, dubai will be devastated:lol:

lol, I hope they are secretly holding out and at the last second put an antenna on top of the spire and then it could definately beat out the burj, imagine if it beat it by one inch.........sheikh muhammed would cry himself to sleep for months:lol::nuts:

a close look to the Small Ugly Tower it was pretty tall in 2001!!


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20056721.jpg


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20056588.jpg

lol, I hope they are secretly holding out and at the last second put an antenna on top of the spire and then it could definately beat out the burj, imagine if it beat it by one inch.........sheikh muhammed would cry himself to sleep for months:lol::nuts:

or the Burj would no longer be cancelled:D

^^:weird:

Mosque in the hotel

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[B]there is no need of a Masjid inside this hotel:ohno:..if anyone wants to pray.he can pray in his room..or he wants to goto Masjid, he can & should goto Masjid Ul Haram

^^ What if he wants to pray with others without having to step out?

^^Grand Masjid is not miles away..then why build one room Masjid infront of Grand Masjid..

in muslim,prays together stays together...

[B]there is no need of a Masjid inside this hotel:ohno:..if anyone wants to pray.he can pray in his room..or he wants to goto Masjid, he can & should goto Masjid Ul Haram

All of Makkah City is counted as Haram. You get the same Thawab for praying anywhere in Makkah, some scholars say. Sometimes it can get crowded during Hajj, Ramadan, EID, or other times, and people can pray there. It still counts as the Mosque.

^^:weird:
He means Al Burj aka Nakheel Harbour Tower.

nice photo...

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/lobby/4b.jpg

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/lobby/2b.jpg

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/lobby/1b.jpg

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http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/suites/4b.jpg

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/suites/6b.jpg

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/suites/9b.jpg

http://www.hajartower.com/arabic/images/suites/13b.jpg

Hey does anyone know if there's an elevator run that goes to the top from ground level? Or if not then how many different elevators would you have to take?

NO CLUE!!!:ohno:

nice!!!

^^ The rooms are nice but the public spaces really look so comfortable and inviting. :)

interior its good also nice lighting....very comfort furniture in that picture...

Current height = 393 M

Developing Mecca is a very weird idea to me. I'm not a Muslim, but I can see people being very touchy about such an idea.

I haven't seen a single Muslim express offense over the development's location and scale in this thread, only non-Muslims charging to the rescue moaning about how much the development's location and scale must surely offend Muslims...

dream1981-is this right?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4326340759_6b94fd5584_o.jpg

nice interiors

can men and women stay in the same room? same bed? probably not right, in saudi arabia?

^^ I think Saudi men like to sleep with their wives like everyone else :)


Once the tower is finished, I really want to see a photo of the clock mechanisms behind the face. Must be huge...

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5563/41550131837e29cd40c7o.jpg

awesome view.

dream1981-is this right?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4326340759_6b94fd5584_o.jpg

it's right except it's King Abduallah lunar center :lol:

@Dream1981:
Is it right that will be an observation deck in the hotel tower,just above the lunar center,and it will be 500 M high?

dream1981-is this right?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4326340759_6b94fd5584_o.jpg


Yes, This is perfect :okay:

@Dream1981:
Is it right that will be an observation deck in the hotel tower,just above the lunar center,and it will be 500 M high?

Rody, That is true.

Nice pic..........:applause:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5563/41550131837e29cd40c7o.jpg

awesome view.


Great picture.. it looks like Manhattan meets Mecca!.. :cheers:

I haven't seen a single Muslim express offense over the development's location and scale in this thread, only non-Muslims charging to the rescue moaning about how much the development's location and scale must surely offend Muslims...
Well said
Great picture.. it looks like Manhattan meets Mecca!.. :cheers:

It is Mecca. plus theres way to many people, walking in the middle of the street. And the buildings aren't nearly tall enough, well not counting the one in the background lol

Looks like they are turning mecca into a disneyland for rich muslims.

And i like it.

i saw the picture = all people almost wear same clothing...
if any 1 or 2 people wear armani t-shirt or polo t-shirt on the street, its allowed...??

can men and women stay in the same room? same bed? probably not right, in saudi arabia?

Depends. Married couple it wouldn't matter in a hotel. Unmarried, that's a problem, it would violate sharia law (there's a name for it but I forgot...)

Depends. Married couple it wouldn't matter in a hotel. Unmarried, that's a problem, it would violate sharia law (there's a name for it but I forgot...)

It's haram (an islam word for naughty)

It's forbidden for a women to be alone or show her to a men that aint her husband.

Everywere, in cars, restaurants, busses, on the streets and also for hotel rooms in Mecca.

A big problem for example is that women are forbidden to drive, and forbidden to take cab ( cause all cabdrivers are men).

i saw the picture = all people almost wear same clothing...
if any 1 or 2 people wear armani t-shirt or polo t-shirt on the street, its allowed...??

very rhetorical question :bash:


PS: i don't see any Saudis in that picture, makkah is a very international muslim hub

Back to topic plz...........

Taken Feb 2010

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1039/38371711.jpg

Is that stand alone building still at the entrance?

Yub, as you can see, it's still there, and I don't know why??!!

the last picture its amazing....its kind like manhattan ...

This building is very suprise :okay:

Taken Feb 2010

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1039/38371711.jpg

This makes me think of Barad-dûr...

More like Minas Morgul:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/v2/media/archiv/nebu/orks_minas-morgul.jpg

^^ :lol:

omg you are right!!!! :hahaha::hahaha:

they should change a name for Mecca City in One Tower.
Nice pix, different.

"One complex to gather them all and in the prayer bind them"

omg you are right!!!! :hahaha::hahaha:

That is actully Minas Morgul (Barad Dur is where Sauron is, with the flaming eye) but I suppose it was even better. :)

Exsacly Minas Morgul, and it associates me with dark side :lol:

Useless discussion from our Polish co-forummers.