It will, at least they claim so.

and one of the ugliest ...I can't believe this hideous complex is being build In Mecca El Moukarama what a shame !!!! :bash:

Does Mecca have the population to support this kind of building or the economic importance. Seems more suited for Jeddah. But beautiful nonetheless.

This is Mecca , the holiest place of Islam ..never heard about the annual pilgrim in Mecca ?? :sly:

The purpose of mecca is to do Hajj and prayer..

Not business.

Yeah it seems like our Saudis Brothers missed that part ^^^^^^

My first visit here, it is incredible how big that all will be! :shocked:

its makkah al mukaramah NOT mouharama ! INFDEL !!!

BTW I RECOMMENED THIS THREAD LOCKED.... OR SIMPLY DELETE ALL POSTS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY !!!!!

A thread shouldn't be closed because you're the only one who says so. ;)

its makkah al mukaramah NOT mouharama !

Isn't it with double r: Makkah Al-Mukarramah?

thanks saudi guy.
sorry to ask again but what are heights of completed towers? was it 240m?

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the two "small" towers in front where the right one is completed already are 240m, the other 2 behind are 260m. and there are another 2 260m towers in the background. looks like the Hotel tower is already at 240m/almost 260m maybe, but the angle could be wrong.

its makkah al mukaramah NOT mouharama ! INFDEL !!!

BTW I RECOMMENED THIS THREAD LOCKED.... OR SIMPLY DELETE ALL POSTS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY !!!!!


Wow calm down .. It s typing error i just changed it My mistake but don't overreact...

And don't call me an Infidel I am as Muslim as you pretend to be .

Istarghfer moulék ya Qatari ^^^^

I love the way this is coming along but the worst is yet to come once they start working on that blasted clock. :mad:

I love the way this is coming along but the worst is yet to come once they start working on that blasted clock. :mad:

I thought the clock was cancelled in the final designs?

Oh, no. The clock is still there and the Grand Mosque is being renovated into a parking garage and shopping mall. :lol:

Argh, you're serious? :ohno:

I thought the clock was cancelled in the final designs?

Oh, no. The clock is still there and the Grand Mosque is being renovated into a parking garage and shopping mall. :lol:

Maybe it will be nice when finished. But still don't understand why they built it next to the mecca ?It would be better few kilometers far from the site imo. How will the site look in 30 or 50 years? Maybe other supertalls?

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Looks very big ! Im impressed !

the two "small" towers in front where the right one is completed already are 240m, the other 2 behind are 260m. and there are another 2 260m towers in the background. looks like the Hotel tower is already at 240m/almost 260m maybe, but the angle could be wrong.

these maybe helpful
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thx, seems to be 240m on that shot, so a bit above now...but not over 260m :cheers:, rising really fast :)

thx, seems to be 240m on that shot, so a bit above now...but not over 260m :cheers:, rising really fast :)

A lot of cranes too, to keep it rising fast ;)

Argh, you're serious? :ohno:

the clock is needed, i know why very well, millions will be there in arround 3 months time n a clock on that hight will keep them on their toes..

the clock is needed, i know why very well, millions will be there in arround 3 months time n a clock on that hight will keep them on their toes..

I know that's the reason, but I didn't like the design of it. They could have made it more beautiful.

In the Hadith, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said tall buildings will be competing each other..

Alhamdolillah, he was right!! This is a sign...

He (PBUH) said two brothers in the arab region will compete for the tallest in the world. examples of this is either within dubai itself or dubai against jeddah.

the burj al bait is beutiful but the location is absolutely ridiculous i dare say. and the render of the tiered approach is very useful in terms of praying space but do they really need to build towers besides it?:bash:

He (PBUH) said two brothers in the arab region will compete for the tallest in the world. examples of this is either within dubai itself or dubai against jeddah.

the burj al bait is beutiful but the location is absolutely ridiculous i dare say. and the render of the tiered approach is very useful in terms of praying space but do they really need to build towers besides it?:bash:

I'm very small to perdict when will be the end of the world n how, Signs we thought r have come n gone. Its all on the very power to decide who had decided al along. To the tower, I feel is needed to accommodate all the people who r growing every year with so many people affording the pilgrimage.

Some pictures for the interior design of the royal tower (al-Safa):

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A few snapshots of the design whitout the clock which is U/C from http://www.abrajalbait.com.

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I'm a bit confused about the decision to build such a massive structure close to the Mecca.

^^

Its just businness: flats overviewing the kabaah can be sold at very high price, so the higher you build the more you earn

That's what is all about

^^
I love when religion and good business go so well hand in hand. :D

ithink the dis with the clock is better

^^

Its just businness: flats overviewing the kabaah can be sold at very high price, so the higher you build the more you earn

That's what is all aboutActually all the profit will go to maintaining the Kabaa !

Actually all the profit will go to maintaining the Kabaa !

Who says so?

^^ They say so. It is a Waqf after all !

^^ Its name is "Abraj Al-Bait" or "King Abdul Aziz Endowment Project for The Two Holy Mosques"

It is clear from the name :)

Actually all the profit will go to maintaining the Kabaa !

That means that will be invested to improve the area and so to increase the value of this project.
As I said before is just businness.

^^ Why do you like to argue? which area are you talking about? In simple words "It is a direct endowment to the two holy mosques only" inshallah (God Willing).

It is not for the surrounded area. It is for the mosques themselves (Operation, Maintenance & Expansions).

Very Clear :bash:

^^

Its just businness: flats overviewing the kabaah can be sold at very high price, so the higher you build the more you earn

That's what is all about

Fro the holy QURAN


(26) And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj).[] (27) That they may witness things that are of benefit to them (i.e. reward of Hajj in the Hereafter, and also some worldly gain from trade), and mention the Name of Allâh on appointed days (i.e. 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th day of Dhul-Hijjâh), over the beast of cattle that He has provided for them (for sacrifice) (at the time of their slaughtering by saying: Bismillah, Wallâhu-Akbar, Allâhumma Minka wa Ilaik). Then eat thereof and feed therewith the poor who have a very hard time.

beautiful Antique Decoration ,thanks dream:)

something wrong with tinypic atm?
no photos are shoing in any thread.

^^i can see it!!!
maybe you have some problems with proxy!

i see them too, no problem here

Enormous and monstruous. But anyway impressive!!! :eek: But none of us "infidels" will ever see this one in reality since we are not allowed to access Mecca. At least from what I have read once!

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From Saudi Forum,
25-26/8/2008
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^^ Thank you ^^

Reminds me of the gigantic buildings they used to build in the USSR. Disgusting, totalitarian propaganda. And when I first saw the rendering i thought: this tower doesn't seem to be 600m tall! And i'm still not convinced!

Looks like they will be able to charge a lot of money for a "room with a view".
You could look right into the Holy Mosque.
(sorry for my lack of knowledge for the proper name of it)

Too many people are commenting about the location of this
skyscraper instead of about the building itself.
I agree it is too close to the religious buildings, but this is an incredible,
massive building that the people of Mecca should be proud of.

Great new pictures, thanks!

Reminds me of the gigantic buildings they used to build in the USSR. Disgusting, totalitarian propaganda. And when I first saw the rendering i thought: this tower doesn't seem to be 600m tall! And i'm still not convinced!I think you're mistaken. The monster is going to be 600 meters tall, and that's exactly the issue here. Nothing like the elegance of Moscow's Seven sisters, plus the thing is totally, outrageously out of place here.

i dont like it also it's doesnt look 509m???

In case you're not yet convinced of the huge scale of this project, please scroll down. Remember: these images were taken from the "short towers". :nuts:
If you have any questions or comments please post them on this thread. Enjoy!:cheers:

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The Masjid Al Haram (Grand Mosque) at 1:46 AM. The Tawaf (circumambulation of the Kaabah) takes place 24/7. This is one of the few buildings on Earth that has been open to the public for literally hundreds of years without interruption.
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Great shots - helps show the scale of all this.

Interesting looking hood.
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love it!!!! mecca is turning in to a really modern city! wish i could go there some day!

amazing pics there,it really shows the huge scale of this project.

man..this is so fantastic Thanks a lot for your contribution :bow:

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What's the construction taking place on the right of this picture? It all looks slightly unsympathetic to the main prayer buildings (sorry don't know the name/s). What did they demolish to build this? The hotel is only impressive in its scale, was there a massive demand for hotel rooms in Mecca (hence why this hotel is being constructed)?

To me it looks as if they are turning this place into a theme park in order to earn millions off tourists / pilgrims. Surely this is a very 'western' idea and as such i find it hard to understand how they let this hotel complex be built in the first place.

What's the construction taking place on the right of this picture? It all looks slightly unsympathetic to the main prayer buildings (sorry don't know the name/s). What did they demolish to build this? The hotel is only impressive in its scale, was there a massive demand for hotel rooms in Mecca (hence why this hotel is being constructed)?

To me it looks as if they are turning this place into a theme park in order to earn millions off tourists / pilgrims. Surely this is a very 'western' idea and as such i find it hard to understand how they let this hotel complex be built in the first place.

Its called Massa. They are increasing its width. As you can see they have built the new one, they have demolished the old massa and now they are rebuilding it so its width will be doubled. The have increased the floors of Massa from 3 to 4 floors:cheers:

This building gives the word massive a whole new meaning.

To me it looks as if they are turning this place into a theme park in order to earn millions off tourists / pilgrims. Surely this is a very 'western' idea and as such i find it hard to understand how they let this hotel complex be built in the first place.

The project is Waqf, which means the profit of these buildings will go solely to the repair/maintenance of the Holy mosque. The demand is expect to skyrocket as muslims living in developed nations will have the funds to visit the holy city often, along with muslims from other swelling nations.

by the way Muslims are allowed to trade/sell and conduct in commerce from visitors of Hajj. Although during Hajj Muslims are obliged to spend their time there modestly so it is open to intrepretation what constitutes as modest in today's terms.

Ofcourse there is huge demand, city of Makkah is one of the most expensive per square foot.

As for the project yes its close to the grand mosque, but it doesn't make sense if everything around the grand mosque was empty or devoid of development either. To me replacing old deteriorating infrastructure for new infrastructure is the right way to go.

amazing pics skyscraperologist, ty

Great photos... Thanks for posting them...
The last time I've been to Makkah was three years ago... I feel I have to visit it soon... The whole city will change in the near future in a good way as I can see...

I think it looks shorter because of the enormous area it covers. If it was more slender, the height would be more emphasized!
But I didn't know Mecca had favela-like settlements! I always thought there was social housing in Saudi-Arabia!

Thanks for the info guys. :cheers:

It looks like several km² around the holy mosque are under construction
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wow incredible photos.

I'm starting to get very excited about this building as it's rising quickly now and will be so tall-one of the tallest in fact.I read somewhere that it will be the largest building in terms of floor space in the world-is that true?

That is one massive project.

is there any size for the actual clock face?

I guess the idea behind all the construction is to bring this place to look some what to similar this render....

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They should preserve all those old houses as World Heritge Site.

these is another project under construction near the holy mosque





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^^ is this monstrosity going ahead?

love it!!!! mecca is turning in to a really modern city! wish i could go there some day!

unless ur a muslim, im sorry mate

Whoa, there is no way that can be a real proposal. That's bigger than most cities.

they will lose alot of money in this, if they do it, there arent enough muslims for this

The first time I saw that posted, someone called it barbaric. I agree.

unless ur a muslim, im sorry mate

i know , ,thats why i said i wish :)

they will lose alot of money in this, if they do it, there arent enough muslims for this

acctually now yearly piligrims are about 2.5 - 3 million and rising (KSA is acctually trying to slightly drop the numbers)

but nevre the less it hard to find accomodations to all of those people and not forgeting there is a piligrimage that takes place anytime of the year its called umrah so those people still need accomodation too no ? and yes that project will be built becuse they are already taking down buildings in that area... the project will also provide an extended praying area which is heavily needed.....

God bless KSA for this :banana::cheers:

I think a new thread for this is better this one is for Abraj al Bait

I hear they'll be building a further 15+ (can't disclose the exact figure) towers behind Abraj ;) ;) ;)

Panos are amazing, thx for the pics !

they will lose alot of money in this, if they do it, there arent enough muslims for thisIndonesia alone has 200 million muslims

Indonesia alone has 200 million muslims

yeah but how many of them will move away to new homes, raise enough money to live hear, then make a new job in the city with so many other new jobs?, but living so close to their holy worshipping place is a dream come true i guess, i cant blame them for wanting to live so close to mecca, i probably would if i was muslim

yeah but how many of them will move away to new homes, raise enough money to live hear, then make a new job in the city with so many other new jobs?, but living so close to their holy worshipping place is a dream come true i guess, i cant blame them for wanting to live so close to mecca, i probably would if i was muslim

You got it wrong! its not for living, but for accommodating millions of people during the pilgrimage (HAJ, which happens once in a year and UMRAH,all along the year). The place literally floods with pilgrims all around the year and now the situation is as such that most of them are more than happy to find any kind of shelter coz its hard to find one of their choice . Air travel has become so convenient ( Specially in asian countries these days) and people are just finding time to visit not money (HAJ or UMRAH has become much more affordable to an average earning person). Islam is the 2nd biggest religion and growing fast and HAJ ( visit to Mecca) is a must atleast once for a Muslim (who can afford) in his life time. The project is more for helping and easing people's visit and stay in Mecca rather than earing from it.

rest you can find in Encyclopedia (if you are intested), which will justify this development.

You got it wrong! its not for living, but for accommodating millions of people during the pilgrimage (HAJ, which happens once in a year and UMRAH,all along the year). The place literally floods with pilgrims all around the year and now the situation is as such that most of them are more than happy to find any kind of shelter coz its hard to find one of their choice . Air travel has become so convenient ( Specially in asian countries these days) and people are just finding time to visit not money (HAJ or UMRAH has become much more affordable to an average earning person). Islam is the 2nd biggest religion and growing fast and HAJ ( visit to Mecca) is a must atleast once for a Muslim (who can afford) in his life time. The project is more for helping and easing people's visit and stay in Mecca rather than earing from it.

rest you can find in Encyclopedia (if you are intested), which will justify this development.

OHHHHHH thank you for correcting me, ok that makes much more sense now, i thought it was odd that so many people would live there lol, ok now it seems reasonable, but what happens when the pilgrammage is over?

You got it wrong! its not for living, but for accommodating millions of people during the pilgrimage (HAJ, which happens once in a year and UMRAH,all along the year). The place literally floods with pilgrims all around the year and now the situation is as such that most of them are more than happy to find any kind of shelter coz its hard to find one of their choice . Air travel has become so convenient ( Specially in asian countries these days) and people are just finding time to visit not money (HAJ or UMRAH has become much more affordable to an average earning person). Islam is the 2nd biggest religion and growing fast and HAJ ( visit to Mecca) is a must atleast once for a Muslim (who can afford) in his life time. The project is more for helping and easing people's visit and stay in Mecca rather than earing from it.

rest you can find in Encyclopedia (if you are intested), which will justify this development.

wait i read on ok that is cool

i think the spire going so high is wrong, the actual height of the building is about 1400 ft am i right?, idk but i think the spire is not necessary, it needs to be legit like the chicago spire

i think the spire going so high is wrong, the actual height of the building is about 1400 ft am i right?, idk but i think the spire is not necessary, it needs to be legit like the chicago spire

i agree thats too high, but its matching the pillers ( minars) of the grand mosque with the moon shape tip.... As the grand mosque will always be the main attraction, everything arround it should match its architecture. My thinking

I love this project, but not the dominos proposed on the other side.

Fresh pictures of the surrounding area this Ramadan !

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So many people!! That just amazing. And all exactly placed on lines. Beautiful shots.

^^ I think there would be over 2 millions on Friday prayer today !

correct me I am wrong
does the Ramadan gets more people to the mosque then the hajj

I love this project, but not the dominos proposed on the other side.

no dude i like the proposed project though its really hard to believe it will ever be materialized
can some one please give us an update on this project

^^ one majestic view :)

correct me I am wrong
does the Ramadan gets more people to the mosque then the hajj


during the hajj the mosque is full! the surrounding areas and streets as well.

great pics!

during the hajj the mosque is full! the surrounding areas and streets as well.

great pics!

You can see that definitely on those pics.

Actually in Hajj people are usually stretched into other areas as they can extend their religious duties into several days so in Ramadan they tend to be more in the Haram than Hajj !

i think, this palce so full of people all the time, one can hardly makeout difference that its HAJJ, Ramadan or anyother day. The area arround the Grand Mosque or the city itself for that matter desparetly needs infarstucture upgrades, which are happening.....

^^
not really

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^^
not really

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2811376893_06f0791fc7_o.jpg

Indeed not a lot of people, but it's dark then, so it's maybe in the middle of the night...

Fresh pictures of the surrounding area this Ramadan !
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Not really, there aren't fresh. Because you can see the buildings on the top but now they have demolished all those building.

Not really, there aren't fresh. Because you can see the buildings on the top but now they have demolished all those building.

Who says so?

I agree MTF. Those photos are old. They were uploaded on Flickr on January 31, 2008 by chinx786.

Here are the pages:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chinx786/2232050063/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chinx786/2232050473/

Who says so?

They have demolished it for the Mosque extension. here are the latest pics.
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http://www.locr.com/photos/000/0d/97/0d9765b201ccd5cf585dcc4865924379_L.jpg?rotated=0

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All pics are taken from Saudi Arabian section.:cheers:

:doh: It says so in the email I got

by Yasir, SSP:

Sorry about the random framing but I took these with an iPhoney.

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http://yasirhamed.com/ls/abraj_al_bait/IMG_0133.JPG

^^Incredible pictures , first time I saw them so up-close.

They have demolished it for the Mosque extension. here are the latest pics.
http://www.locr.com/photos/000/9c/30/9c30dab6d7082aba370c93af881d7b10_L.jpg?rotated=0

http://www.locr.com/photos/000/0d/97/0d9765b201ccd5cf585dcc4865924379_L.jpg?rotated=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2807622199_5ae549edb0.jpg

All pics are taken from Saudi Arabian section.:cheers:

Do you have a new aerial pic?

Well i dont have it but go to Saudi section you might find something over there.:cheers:

amazing ,all those people in one place .

wow , this is really green and huge with different design .. cool

Well i dont have it but go to Saudi section you might find something over there.:cheers:

Who started the mass demolition of those old buildings? They should had been preserved. :(

Nice pics, thanks

This is truly a high quality construction. Can't wait to see it finished...............................................without the ugly clock.:runaway:

Who started the mass demolition of those old buildings? They should had been preserved. :(

Uhu. It's really sad (once again) that the houses of poor habitants have to be destroyed for large projects (cfr. the Olympic Area in Beijing)

I'm still thinking that Dubai has too many supertall buildings...

I'm still thinking that Dubai has too many supertall buildings...

This isn't Dubai... it's Mecca.:bash:

those poor people get around a million ryalis to get there properties demolished by the government the closest you are the more you get

impressive photos. thanks

I'm still thinking that Dubai has too many supertall buildings...


your ignorance astounds me:nuts:

those poor people get around a million ryalis to get there properties demolished by the government the closest you are the more you getonly? :ohno:

In Dubai some people got 3 million Dirhams as a compensation for a 2500 sqf tiny land plot in one of the shittiest locations here.

Mecca only has about a dozen of supertalls, but all of them are unique and massive!

the closer you are the more you get i know people that got about 5 million for 2500sqf cuz they were near the mosque and there house was more than shitte

look at this


http://www.cambrian.com/blog/burj_dubai

form Mecca last night!



http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2071/11092008741ob4.jpg

What is the hight of this building right now?

Around 300m?

thanks

Im impressed by the height but the design is terrible it looks like a bad 80's hotel in Las Vegas, but i will hold off my final judgment until its finished, maybe it will look much better then...

floors reached 260m, so the core is probably already at 270m :)

look at this


http://www.cambrian.com/blog/burj_dubai

Only now you can see how really big it is. :|

Hum, it is a monster by size. But one should see that it is in the neighbourhood of the holiest Islamic place. So the design should respect the traditional style. And so I think the design matches with the objective to create an Islamic traditional style skyscraper. We shouldn't always expect the whole world to build in our own taste. There is some kind of "national taste" that should be respected and which has it's own aesthetics!

If i could visit it, i would do it. :)

But i don`t complain. The goverment also limits the amount of pilgrims to mecca.
Maybe in the future when Mecca has a better infrasturcture to handle all pilgrims and muslim visitors they will allow visitors from other religion, too. Maybe not in the holy mosque but around it and there will be a very strict dress code.
Many years ago all religion were allowed in Mecca. Maybe in the future it will be again like in the past.

Will there be a clock or not. I hope not!

If i could visit it, i would do it. :)

But i don`t complain. The goverment also limits the amount of pilgrims to mecca.
Maybe in the future when Mecca has a better infrasturcture to handle all pilgrims and muslim visitors they will allow visitors from other religion, too. Maybe not in the holy mosque but around it and there will be a very strict dress code.
Many years ago all religion were allowed in Mecca. Maybe in the future it will be again like in the past.

Finally someone that makes sense!! Thanks Tom

Will there be a clock or not. I hope not!

there will be a clock ^^

Only now you can see how really big it is. :|
Even Burj Dubai seems small compared to this building xD

only? :ohno:

In Dubai some people got 3 million Dirhams as a compensation for a 2500 sqf tiny land plot in one of the shittiest locations here.

But then its going for a cause, i would have given it way for free if i had my place arround it.....

there will be a clock ^^

i think this clock will be the biggest clock of the world :)

not sure, but possible :)

how many times bigger is it than the clock of bigben london?

The clock will make the tower very bigben like.
I hope they replace it with something else.

http://www.allskyscrapers.com/gfx/AbrajAlBait.jpg

If i could visit it, i would do it. :)

But i don`t complain. The goverment also limits the amount of pilgrims to mecca.
Maybe in the future when Mecca has a better infrasturcture to handle all pilgrims and muslim visitors they will allow visitors from other religion, too. Maybe not in the holy mosque but around it and there will be a very strict dress code.
Many years ago all religion were allowed in Mecca. Maybe in the future it will be again like in the past.

Agreed; I've been to the Western Wall, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Baha'i Gardens, the Vatican Gardens, the papal tombs under St. Peter's Cathedral, the Sistine Chapel, etc. and no one asked or cared that I was an atheist. They just expected me to give the appropriate level of deference to the religion and the solemnity with which it views a holy place, which I am glad to do. I just kinda have a thing for historical religious sites.

Besides, last I checked, atheism is not a communicable disease. :)

Kimo, that render is ancient

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لكل مسلم يحلم بتملك جناح من أجنحة أبراج البيت بجوار الحرم مباشرة
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الكويت
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وسوف نساعدكم علي ذلك بإذن الله

http://www.allskyscrapers.com/gfx/AbrajAlBait.jpg

Cute picture hahahaha

i thought it will be a lot taller than empire state

it will be a lot taller but thats an old render were the height was lower than it is now

thankyou.

your welcome

The old render looks better though.

the hotel tower would absolutley dwarf the ESB. i must draw up a comparison to show.

http://up5.m5zn.com/photos/00274/osy6vqx2gysh.jpg

:cheers:

i hope they return to the old render ...

i think the clock dispossess the place of it's dignity

Oh dear. Didn't know it was even taller than the ESB.

Looks like the efteling in the netherlands

i hope they return to the old render ...

i think the clock dispossess the place of it's dignity

The hight of the old render is more appropriate as well.

There were rumours that they were going to add 2 more 350m+ towers beside the Hotel tower behind the back towers. LOL if that makes any sense. I think "Dream" should have more information if that's going to happen.

Just look at that.

http://www.cambrian.com/blog/burj_dubai

So it is going to be taller than sears tower?

oh my, this things under construction?????

Hum, it is a monster by size. But one should see that it is in the neighbourhood of the holiest Islamic place. So the design should respect the traditional style. And so I think the design matches with the objective to create an Islamic traditional style skyscraper. We shouldn't always expect the whole world to build in our own taste. There is some kind of "national taste" that should be respected and which has it's own aesthetics!

But this design doesn't respect any traditional Islamic style. It's just a Vegas mish-mash with with a bit of "Hollywood Alhambra" thrown in for decoration. I struggle to think of an ancient Islamic civilisation that has produced anything so profoundly ugly and inappropriately sited.

New Lunch on Abraj Al-Bait called Emaar Residences

http://www.emaarresidencesmakkah.com/ar/

So it is going to be taller than sears tower?

It seems to be. I really can't believe that. I never have seen anything like that. The time of skyscrapers being tall but thiny is over. Massive skyscrapers are going to conquer the world. :lol:

So it is going to be taller than sears tower?

not only that, sears tower will be crushed in the hall of fame when this structure is built.

There were rumours that they were going to add 2 more 350m+ towers beside the Hotel tower behind the back towers. LOL if that makes any sense. I think "Dream" should have more information if that's going to happen.

I knew that too (maybe even more than 2)

And they'll be built on the top of a mountain, so looking from the mosque they'll look much taller

not only that, sears tower will be crushed in the hall of fame when this structure is built.

i dont think so, thats just your opinion not a fact

i dont think so, thats just your opinion not a fact
Since when are numbers an opinion? Is it only my opinion and not fact that two is bigger than one?

Just compare the size of the clock with the other buildings! OMG!!!!! :eek2:

Since when are numbers an opinion? Is it only my opinion and not fact that two is bigger than one?

helghast is saying it's only my opinion that this struture would be any threat to the sears tower in the skyscraper world. I was just describing metaphorically how large this thing is. But I obviously don't think this structure will derank sears tower in any way or form.

its also a different era to when the sears was built.

it looks really tacky... but tastes differ, I guess. What is the opinion of the locals?

There were rumours that they were going to add 2 more 350m+ towers beside the Hotel tower behind the back towers. LOL if that makes any sense. I think "Dream" should have more information if that's going to happen.

Sorry for my late reply, anyway these two towers were a serious study but has been cancelled and now there is rawabi abraj al-bait (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=542438) behind this project.

Also one more thing 90% this project's height will be increased to be +600M but since till now nothing is official, I can not announce it :bash:

Ugly!

HEy seni pislik senin götün ugly :@

what

^^ turkish i guess, don't understand a word though other than ugly, but then what else is new? :)

28/9/2008
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http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4812/p1060264ex7.jpg

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http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7138/p1060265pu5.jpg

the hotel look like over 50 F right now ! good progress .

looks so extreme wide in the shots :nuts:

don't know if these were posted before

http://m7ml.com/uploads/e0ad80dc87.jpg

http://m7ml.com/uploads/27bfff8d5a.jpg

I looks a bit huge:eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/middle_east_enl_1222703607/img/1.jpg
From BBC

from where was that pic taken?

were do you think

the weirdest skyscraper ever, it's beautiful tho. U dont see many skyscrapers filled with culture

U dont see many skyscrapers filled with culture
That's a rather patronising statement.

the weirdest skyscraper ever, it's beautiful tho. U dont see many skyscrapers filled with culture

Er... yes, apart from the fact that all these styles of architecture that we see around the world are derived from schools of architecture which base their theories and practices on the political and social context surrounding them.

Even if you see a glass box skyscraper, you can be sure that its design is almost entirely a reflection of culture.

nice love the building

enormous!
thanks for piccies

enormous!
thanks for piccies


What will be the square footage of this building?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2891939683_ef6255c7fe_b.jpg

OK, how many cranes are involved in this structure? currently. I can see at least 13.

Looks like a Las Vegas resort hotel.

The clock looks more Islamic in he last render

http://m7ml.com/uploads/4e5a288a90.jpg

Still looking like a Big Ben rip-off, but a definite improvement, I'd say.

Just look at that.

http://www.cambrian.com/blog/burj_dubai

this graph does not show the chicago spire which is 2000ft

what has the CS to do with this project?

^^
the fact that its taller than this

OK, how many cranes are involved in this structure? currently. I can see at least 13.

I did a VERY quick and hurried count of cranes from that pic....and i counted 27 cranes give or take.....:poke:

don't like the design much but the tower is proving to look better than the renders. it is going very good.

The clock looks more Islamic in he last render

http://m7ml.com/uploads/4e5a288a90.jpg

this one looks mutch better!

The clock looks more Islamic in he last render]

What does "more Islamic" mean? "Islamic" is anything from Indonesia to suburban LA. This thing is just plain ugly.

I think it's shocking that this will overshaddow one of the holiest sites in the world. Although it's topped with a crescent, this just seems to be distracting people from the fact that this isn't a tower of modestry and religion, it's a tower of greed and power in a very insensitive location. Horrible

I agree that the tower is too tall and the clock looks naff, but it's beautifully proportioned. It's great that Muslims travelling to Mecca will be able to see this in the distance as they approach :)

I think it's shocking that this will overshaddow one of the holiest sites in the world. Although it's topped with a crescent, this just seems to be distracting people from the fact that this isn't a tower of modestry and religion, it's a tower of greed and power in a very insensitive location. Horrible

It won't overshadow anything! From the place it is going to be built the shadows will always to the opposite direction of the Kaaba...

The clock, well, it's not my favorite, I think they should make someting modern with lights and digital display, but what bothers me more is the top of the building which is just ugly and doesn't fit the rest of the complex which looks good in my opinion. But the top is really ugly! I could design/draw something better in ten minutes!

The clock, well, it's not my favorite, I think they should make someting modern with lights and digital display, but what bothers me more is the top of the building which is just ugly and doesn't fit the rest of the complex which looks good in my opinion. But the top is really ugly! I could design/draw something better in ten minutes!

the top is ugly?? :lol: tell that to a muslim :lol, its very cool the hight it fits with this kind of place, and the clock isn't that of a big deal, but its kind of nice ;)

I'd like to see spiderman or James Bond hanging on a pointer of that megaclock!

The clock looks more Islamic in he last render



Nice, now why not complete it with Arabic numbers.

what

he said
"hey dumbass your ass is ugly" :runaway:

When I see the renderings I'd love to buy some semtex on e-bay but then, I see it in its environment (thanks leetroy) and I think "hang on, this is not looking as bad as it should be". I quite like it, actually.
Sure, I wouldn't have made it right there, especially if I think builders had to destroy the Octoman fort standing there before.

However, will it be just a giant hotel?

we need some interfere from moderators ! stay on topic " without religions interfere"

the top is ugly?? :lol: tell that to a muslim :lol,

When I say the top, I don't mean the moon on the very top! I mean the thing below. Doesn't fit the rest of the building, not at all!

However, will it be just a giant hotel?

as far as i know, hotel and residence.

he said
"hey dumbass your ass is ugly" :runaway:

lol

don't know if these were posted before

http://m7ml.com/uploads/e0ad80dc87.jpg


This is plain nasty, i cant beleive this is coming up right next to the mosque and there is no opposition for this project?

shucks, the amount of energy that huge clock will use should be enough to power a town here in india :ohno:

shucks, the amount of energy that huge clock will use should be enough to power a town here in india :ohno:

Hhaha, yes i know, millions of energy is needed. I tried to approximate the amount of power needed to run that clock. By just looking at the skyscraperpage version of that clock the minute-pointer looked to be about 25 m. Lets say its a big box of metal about 25*1*1m (probably exaggrated) and the density of the metal is 10'000 kg / m3. The energy needed to lift this pointer 25 meters is: density*volume*height*gravitationalacceleration = 10'000kg/m3 * 25 m3 * 25m * 10 m/s2 = 62'000'000 J

The effect needed to do this would be appox. 62MJ / 1800s = 3000 W = 4hp. Btw what is a horsepower? but you still live in a good town i suppose!

that last pic looks awsome, the tower looks unbelivable against the mecca size.

It is very disrespectful indeed.

Hhaha, yes i know, millions of energy is needed. I tried to approximate the amount of power needed to run that clock. By just looking at the skyscraperpage version of that clock the minute-pointer looked to be about 25 m. Lets say its a big box of metal about 25*1*1m (probably exaggrated) and the density of the metal is 10'000 kg / m3. The energy needed to lift this pointer 25 meters is: density*volume*height*gravitationalacceleration = 10'000kg/m3 * 25 m3 * 25m * 10 m/s2 = 62'000'000 J

The effect needed to do this would be appox. 62MJ / 1800s = 3000 W = 4hp. Btw what is a horsepower? but you still live in a good town i suppose!

If the hands on the clock are counter balanced, virtually no energy will be required to operate it. Consider the counter balance on an elevator car, and you will understand my point.

^^
well, it would still require energy to turn the hands,
just not as much as it would be too keep the hands up if they werent counterbalanced
but i see what you mean, it would be a good idea to put counterweights on the inside
might they also possibly build them with lighter materials, and then paint them over?

No offence, but this project in my opinion is just sick... I mean the proportions... it's so uhm I don't know unhumaned? And besides the buildings look like from Turkish disney land. Please correct my language if I made any mistakes. ;)

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/images/FikMekka_gr.jpg

This is de Abraj Al-Bait right? Is it really on fire? I read this on a dutch site, couldn't find information from international sites. Anyone has more info?

Now that's a big fire.
Hope no one is hurt :ohno:

That looks very much like it :(

The allmighty Kaaba is sending the humans a signal.

Can't find any news on the fire incident, but hope no one is hurt.

Burning parts falling down....looks not very nice...:ohno:

Unfortunately its true .. huge fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i2_WhWzVIA&feature=related
http://file11.9q9q.net/Download/54487594/----------------.mp4.html

there was a fire in th abraj albait in 20/10/2008.


http://www.up2up.com/uploads/images/up2up-d8f9c21390.jpg

http://www.up2up.com/uploads/images/up2up-128ac5570c.jpg

http://www.up2up.com/uploads/images/up2up-cee62ff57a.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=26868026#post26868026

Now that's a picture.

أوضح الناطق الإعلامي بإدارة الدفاع المدني بالعاصمة المقدسة المقدم علي بن خضران المنتشري ان الحريق شمل الأدوار من 32 الى 41 بالبرج مشيرا الى أن الحادث عبارة عن اشتعال النار في سقالات وألواح خشبية مستخدمة في أعمال الصب بمشروع البرج وذلك لطبيعة هذه المواد المحترقة وقابليتها لسرعة الاشتعال وكذلك لسرعة الرياح .

وأكد المقدم المنتشري انه تم مباشرة الحادث فور وقوعه حيث شارك في ذلك خمس وثلاثون فرقة دفاع مدني متنوعة الاختصاص والمهام وتمت السيطرة على الحريق دون امتداده للأبراج المجاورة مفيدا أنه لم ينجم عن الحادث أي إصابات في الأرواح ولله الحمد ولازالت التحقيقات جارية لمعرفة أسباب الحادث .

Let's hope no one got injured.

Captain Kimo: Can you translate it, please?

it looks horrible :/

That looks very much like it :(

The allmighty Kaaba is sending the humans a signal.

:yes:

it says there is huge fire in floors 32-41 and that 75% of fire has been extinguished so far

hopefully there was no one hurt as it was at night ,maybe the site was clear of workers

Thnx Captain Kimo!:)

terrible news :ohno:, at least the fire wasn't on the main tower

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/images/FikMekka_gr.jpg

This is de Abraj Al-Bait right? Is it really on fire? I read this on a dutch site, couldn't find information from international sites. Anyone has more info?

:ohno:omg
i think it's a sabotage.

HOLY SHIT

:ohno:omg
i think it's a sabotage.

Naah, its probaly an accident like it was for SWFC during its construction. But the end product of this project no doubt will be a beauty and a half.

WOW.... that is a shame. I hope everyone working on it is ok

I hope the damage is easily fixed. :ohno:

:ohno:omg
i think it's a sabotage.

Why? Fires in buildings that are under construction are regrettably rather common.



Does anyone know if the structure was compromised?

How come Canada's National News never picked this up?

I've searched under Google news and couldn't find anything. I also tried a couple of Saudi newsites and nothing. Weird. If this were a Trump building or WTC it'd be all over the news channels. Kinda says something about the importance of this building to Arabia.

^^no news in the US picked it up either, probably because no one died, and few people care about this anyway.

No victims :)
I have sources but in Arabic

shucks, the amount of energy that huge clock will use should be enough to power a town here in india :ohno:

thats nothing

the amount of energy used in Las Vegas alone can power upto 20 Mumbais