I think it would be unfair not to dedicate some space to the Triangle area, outside Raleigh. Growth does not happen only in the City of Oaks, but also in places like Durham, Chapel Hill, Cary, RDU Airport, etc. I would like to start a thread that will include all those nice projects that take place outside Raleigh. Naturally, I will keep updating this original post to include entries not mentioned initially. Please feel free to mention projects worthy of making the list ;)

DURHAM
American Tobacco Complex (office/retail/entertainment)
West Village, Phase II (mixed-use)
The Renaissance at Durham Centre (17 floors; residential)
Former Woolworth site (Parrish Street; ~14-17 floors; offices/museum)
Hock Tower II (~11 floors)
Triangle Biotechnology Center at Venable (urban research facilities/offices)
Durham Transportation Center
Durham Central Park (park)

CARY
Alston Activity Center (mixed-use)
Stone Creek Village/Sears Farm (mixed-use)
Regency Park (10-story office tower)
The Arboretum (mixed-use)
The Residences & Shoppes At Matthews Place (mixed-use)

CHAPEL HILL
Lot 5
Wallace Deck
Franklin Hotel (hospitality)
Rosemary Village
Carolina North (mixed-use)

CARRBORO
300 East Main (mixed-use redevelopment)

APEX
Villages at Beaver Creek (mixed-use)

MORRISVILLE
Carpenter Village (mixed-use)

PITTSBORO
Briar Chapel (mixed-use)

RTP
Davis Park/Triangle Metro Center (mixed-use)

RDU
New Terminal C

RDU:
Let me begin with a couple of links to the New Terminal C, for RDU Airport. Not an urban project, of course, but the significance of it is hard to ignore. There are video clips for your viewing pleasure:

Construction on new Terminal C at RDU underway (http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=82687) (Source: News 14 Carolina)

Construction For Terminal C Under Way At RDU International (http://www.wral.com/news/8385522/detail.html) (Source: WRAL-5)

DURHAM:
Sounds like a series of great redevelopment opportunities are under way for DT Durham. In today's N&O there is an article, titled Quietly rehabbing Durham (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/v-print/story/424660.html). This is a great effort to bring more life to Durham's core and the developer's work should be applauded. DT Durham has a lot of older/historic structures that deserve to be preserved, and I think that the City of Durham has done a good job focusing on historic preservation. Not everything can be saved, but the City of Medicine seems to maintain a nice collection of buildings from the yester-years.Please notice the last sentence in the following excerpt... I wonder if this is a new vision, or it is the Parrish Street tower I mentioned on the list.
Greenfire has quietly spent at least $7.25 million collecting 15 downtown buildings -- mostly older, three-story properties averaging about 25,000 square feet -- for renovation or redevelopment. The company plans to spend as much as $150 million on renovation and new-construction projects by 2012. Its latest acquisitions could be the subject of negotiations to build an office tower.

SAS has something going up out in cary right now i seen going up last time i was out there.

Yes, that is the 4-star hotel, called The Umstead, they are building. The reason why I didn't include it is because of its nature... too suburban to make a difference. It is a great project, but it sits on the wrong spot :( The Arboretum, however, has a semi-urban appearance and functionality, similar to North Hills, which is why I included it. Also, the 10-story mid-rise for the 1111 Regency Pky is nothing more than an office park addition, but at 10 stories it makes a huge difference ;) I have renderings for most of these projects and I will share them here.

Good news from Durham, which continues to lead in the area or redevelopment and historic preservation: City to aid Liggett renovation (http://www.newsobserver.com/125/v-print/story/424986.html). This is a HUGE project and partially explains why developers are reluctant to build new high-rises in DT Durham. With so much square footage and condos poured into the market, it would be hard(er) to propose new towers. Nevertheless, the urban experience of DT Durham will be hard to match - let alone ignore - once these projects/redevelopments are done, some time between 2008 and 2010.

Cary is not known for its urban developments, let alone for its [small] downtown area. The latter, however, isn't as bad as one may imagine. For the last few years we've been hearing about small urban projects coming, but nothing concrete. Here is one of those proposals that is actually going to be delivered: The Residences & Shoppes At Matthews Place (http://www.matthews-place.com/). The rendering below is taken from the project's web site:

http://www.matthews-place.com/layout2.jpg

The building will be built near the street, in an urban form, but the entire site will not quite offer a true urban feel. It is a good start and I surely hope to see more such projects for DT Cary.

Dont know if this qualifies as urban but, These very small apartment buildings will be within walking distance to whatever they want.


A Raleigh real estate firm said Tuesday that it has started construction on a 332-unit apartment complex in Knightdale.

Carolina Communities Development Group broke ground Tuesday on Greystone at Widewaters, among the first apartment complexes in Knightdale. Greystone's first building is scheduled to open in June.

The development will contain units ranging in size from 900 to 1,200 square feet and rents varying from $900 to $1,200 per month.

The development represents the most recent addition to Knightdale's Widewaters Village area, which also includes a shopping center and subdivision.

Carolina Communities officials cite the completion of the U.S. 64 Bypass for a recent increase in residential and commercial real estate development in the Knightdale area.

Carolina Communities is also developing the Charleston Commons at Alexander Place development in north Raleigh, Creekside Valley in Apex and Olde Towne in southwest Raleigh.

Knightdales Urban Vision

KNIGHTDALE'S PLANNING GOALS: Encourage the creation of urban centers where residential and commercial buildings are within walking distance of one another.

Improve the overall quality and variety of residential housing.

Establish consistent building and architecture guidelines for both residential and commercial buildings.



David Bracken, Staff Writer
The Knightdale of the future is an urban utopia where homes run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, sidewalks are ubiquitous and pedestrians are freed from reliance on the automobile.
Following in the footsteps of Cary, Knightdale recently adopted more stringent building and architectural standards -- and also made it known that developers should be catering to the carriage trade by building pricey homes. The town, which plans to create urban centers of mixed commerce and housing, hopes to become Wake County's next destination for people with expensive tastes.

The Knightdale of the future is described -- in exhaustive detail -- in a recently adopted 286-page document sprinkled with photographs, diagrams and charts.

"This is very cutting-edge," said Mike Frangos, the town's planning director.

The plan, which is the result of two years of study, has essentially rewritten the playbook for developers wanting to build in town.

"The problem was, we had a vision for Knightdale that wasn't spelled out," explained Town Councilman Russell Killen.

Mobile and metal structures are now prohibited, and an increased emphasis has been put on the compatibility of building styles, signs, lighting and landscaping.

Parts of the town have been rezoned to encourage the building of pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods along the lines of Carpenter Village in Cary and Meadowmont of Chapel Hill. The developments offer a variety of upscale housing and are within walking distance of boutique shops and other amenities.

The overall vision in Knightdale's new planning ordinance represents a radical departure for the town.

"They're certainly pushing the limit to a great extent," said Marcus Jackson, a senior vice president with Carter, a developer that represents a Knightdale landowner.

In recent decades, development in Knightdale, which has a population of about 7,300, has been characterized by nondescript commercial buildings and cookie-cutter subdivisions.

The new Knightdale is trying to shed its reputation of affordability.

The Town Council passed a resolution last year as guidance for town planners saying that new single-family homes should have a minimum value of 85 percent of the average sale price reported by Wake County for the previous year. That turned out to be $185,000 for 2004, well above Knightdale's average housing price of $161,000.

Killen said the resolution's intent is to inform developers of the kind of new homes Town Council favors. He said the council is not able to reject a developer's proposal solely based on cost.

Knightdale officials say their document is forward-thinking and realistic.

The opening of the U.S. 64/264 Knightdale Bypass last year and the eventual arrival of the Interstate 540 extension have made Knightdale popular with developers and commuters.

The bypass has made subdivisions in Knightdale some of the easiest to reach from downtown Raleigh. The extension of I-540 will make commuting from Knightdale to Research Triangle Park similar to the commute from growing Wake towns such as Holly Springs.

Mike Hunter, a partner with W&W Partners, said the quality and price of housing in Knightdale is rising. Homes in his company's Princeton Manor subdivision along Hodge Road have been selling for more than anticipated, he said. He said much of the town's plan is attainable.

Hunter's company was also responsible for sections of Carpenter Village in Cary. He said W&W is planning a development near the eastern end of Knightdale that will mix residential and commercial in a similar manner.

While Frangos said Knightdale is not trying to become the Cary of eastern Wake, Cary was the first Wake town to adopt strict planning regulations that focused on design.

Glenda Toppe, a private planner who was Cary's planning director from 1985 to 1996, said Cary benefited from adopting its regulations in the 1970s before most development occurred. "They didn't have a lot of clutter," she said.

Knightdale is not operating with a clean slate, which could complicate redevelopment.

While land near the bypass and I-540 may be ripe for upscale projects, other areas of Knightdale could be years from drawing interest from developers who will build to the town's specifications.

Billy Wilder, a former Knightdale mayor, said redeveloping the old downtown is likely to be particularly slow. Knightdale's new plan classifies the old downtown as the "Town Center District," a place for multi-story buildings and high-density residential housing.

Today, much of Knightdale's downtown lacks sidewalks, and the area draws a crowd just once a year for the Christmas parade.

Wilder, who recently sold 85 acres in Knightdale to a developer, said pedestrian-friendly villages are great, but people must be willing to pay.

"I'm not opposed to the concept," he said. "I think it's going to be a while before this town will be ready for it."

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/untitled-20060406162308.jpg (http://s2.supload.com/free/untitled-20060406162308.jpg/view/)

for those not familiar with the area.
We got a host of bix box stores and chains going in now.


Ive seen alot of industrial development in the area outlined in green, A huge budweiser distributor, scholastic, dillon and other companies are established recently in the area.

Doesn't anyone update the Winston Salem area? :?

Wilder, who recently sold 85 acres in Knightdale to a developer, said pedestrian-friendly villages are great, but people must be willing to pay.

"I'm not opposed to the concept," he said. "I think it's going to be a while before this town will be ready for it."I think this sums up the attitude of the land-owners and developers who are looking for quick bucks... Why in the Earth should the people pay for something simple that makes sense? Well designed communities are more desirable, allow for additional density - profits for developers & builders - and offer great alternatives to home buyers. Any of those smart-ass developers ever thought why people pay top dollars for smaller houses in Boylan Heights and Oakwood? It is not because they want to live near their jobs - that is a myth - but due to the unique feel of those neighborhoods. People want to be treated like individuals, not like a mass. People ARE ready, they just don't have the options.

By the way, thanks for the additional information. I hope to see Knightdale moving to the right direction and apply better urban guidelines in the future. If developers and town officials know what's right, they'd better start making changes now, not wait for future "demand". If you (emutiny) find more [specific] info on these proposals/plans, please share them and I will place them on the list.

Carolina Communities is developing the apartment community, its second major development in the Triangle area.

"It's a great opportunity to be able to bring this kind of property to Knightdale," said Scott McCrary, president of Carolina Communities. "The completion of Highway 64 Bypass makes Greystone at Widewaters an excellent choice of residence for anyone working in the Raleigh or Zebulon, N.C., areas, and Knightdale's new retail developments."

Greystone at Widewaters will consist of 16 apartment buildings, a clubhouse with a pool and fitness facility, which is scheduled to open in June. "The clubhouse is going to be one of the biggest attractions for Greystone residents" McCrary said. "It will include a stone fireplace and flat-screen TV with a sound system." According to McCrary, there will also be WIFI Internet access in the clubhouse and pool area, and the community will be constructing an onsite car wash facility.

According to McCrary, there are many features that are not found in most apartment communities. "We've focused on making day-to-day activities as convenient as possible at Greystone, while mixing in high-end amenities," said McCrary. "There will be a dry cleaning service, outdoor grilling areas and walking trails."



The shopping center is called widewater commons, its infront of where the apartments are being built, theres a lowes foods, many fast foods, quiznos, home depot, i could go on and on. Theres talks of a movie theatre and a best buy coming to knightdale as well.



ABOUT CAROLINA COMMUNITIES:
Carolina Communities Development Group (CCDG) is a fully integrated real estate development firm specializing in the acquisition and development of both commercial and residential properties. Carolina Communities is actively serving both the North Carolina and South Carolina marketplace and is currently developing Charleston Commons at Alexander Place in North Raleigh, Creekside Valley in Apex, Olde Towne in Southeast Raleigh and Widewaters Village in Knightdale. Its mission is to identify, acquire and develop properties that will provide end-users quality business and residential environments while returning its investors an optimum combination of high returns with minimal risk.

Doesn't anyone update the Winston Salem area? :?Somebody should ;) Since I do not live there, and I am having a hard time even updating my web site, I am not able to undertake such a task. It will be nice if someone did start such thread. At least something that will cover the entire Triad's major projects - then it can be expanded, or broken down by cities.

Now, let's look at the Carolina Communities development company. First of all, here is their website: http://www.ccdevgrp.com. One of their ongoing projects is Charleston Common at Alexander Place, which is an anomaly because it is a decent cluster of affordable housing, in a semi-urban setting. In fact, the homes face the main street (ACC Blvd) and sidewalks exist on both sides. Also, I must say it is a densely built community within a VERY short walk from the stores (the latter is a huge suburban mess, but this is not the place to discuss it). Here is the site plan:

http://www.visitcharlestonhomes.com/images/sitemap.gif

Phase I and II are under way (I am planning on sharing some photos with y'all, but under the proper thread). Now, don't picture anything extraordinary because you will be disappointed. The whole "Charleston homes" angle is exaggerated, but the layout of this site is a great step forward towards creating urban areas outside downtown. I know I sort-of deviated from the outside-Raleigh scope of this thread, but the above project is the only example I can use at this time to show Carolina Communities' work. If their plan for Knightdale is similar, then I am sure we'll see a nice urban community develop in that town.

Back to Durham, with a piece of good news in an article posted at N&O today titled New development team in Durham (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/v-print/story/426229.html). While there is nothing new announced, there is some light shed on the former Woolworth site proposal, and I share an excerpt:
The Durham City Council voted in June to sell the Woolworth site to Webb and his development group to build a $9 million office tower. Early renderings showed the building as being of a similar scale to the 17-story SunTrust tower across the street. If built, it would be the first high-rise building constructed in downtown since the 14-story Durham Centre was built about 20 years ago.

The tower would house ground-floor stores and a city-funded museum dedicated to the history of Parrish Street -- nicknamed "the black Wall Street" for the black-owned businesses that thrived there in the early 20th century.

The good news from the Triangle continue!!! Between today's N&O and this week's Triangle Business Journal, I can offer you a lot of material.

DURHAM:
* Rethinking Durham's 'Pickle' (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/v-print/story/427133.html) - Looks like someone has the right idea. Sounds like a solid development around Durham's tallest tower.

* From Baltimore to the Bull City (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/04/10/focus3.html?t=printable) - A nice interview with Bill Struever.

* The pitch: $11M overhaul for Durham Athletic Park (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/04/10/focus2.html?t=printable) - More on revitalization plans in DT Durham.

CHAPEL HILL:
* Face of Chapel Hill changing with new developments (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/04/10/focus4.html?t=printable) - Nice little overview of the latest developments in Chapel Hill, particularly downtown.

WAKE FOREST:
* Wake Forest works to boost tourism, population in core (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/04/10/focus5.html?t=printable) - Anyone who discounts Wake Forest when it comes to urban renewal hasn't been there yet. While small, DT Wake Forest is pleasant and inviting... and it is about to get even more inviting.

RDU:
* Report sees need for third runway at RDU (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/04/10/story6.html?t=printable) - A third runway is under consideration. Let's not underestimate RDU anymore ;)

The growth in the Triangle is not limited to Raleigh, as I am sure you can see by the great news coming from all directions. I wish I had the time and energy to show the big picture, but quite frankly it will be impossible to do so. I have a few surprises up my sleeve for y'all, so stay tuned. It may take time, but it is worth it.

I drive by the Charleston Homes daily. My wife and I stopped into the model when it was finally opened. I was told that Phases I & II had sold out, and the salesman expected the remaining phases to sell out the day they were opened up to sales.

I wouldn't by any one of these (don't like walmart enough to live in their parking lot), but there is clearly a need/desire for people to want to walk/live near shopping. All I'm hoping is Brier Creek 'Village' does something along these lines.

I can't wait to see what will be announced for the final plan on Brier Creek Village Center. The surrounding developments are not exactly encouraging, so the developer has ONLY one chance to do this right. I have taken a few photos from the existing condition and the surroundings, so stay tuned. As for the "WalMart" parking deck project, you said it right. To the developer's credit, they plan on putting a tree buffer, blocking Kohl's, WalMart, etc. I would like to believe that in the future we'll see some new developments replacing the parking lots.

It would be nice if some midrise towers could be built around University Tower, unfortunately I'm not sure how tall the buildings could get due to Durham's strict height restrictions outside of it's core. I think a few nice 5-10 story buildings would really help that immediate area out,unfortunately I think building heights are limited to 4 or 5 floors....meaning what's built out there will probably sppear to be suburban in nature. Maybe they can still create a dense area around the tower, just with short buildings....

I agree with you, but even 4-5 story low-rises can add to the area, if placed in an urban manner... which is possible. University Tower may stand out, still, but from the ground level it won't be as bad, I think. We can still hope.

Here is some additional information regarding the Arboretum, in Cary. The following is taken from the developer's website (image is courtesy of Crosland):
The Residences at the Arboretum

http://www.crosland.com/images/property/Arboretum.gif

The Residences at the Arboretum will offer 207 condominiums and townhomes. These one, two and three bedroom units will range in size from 725 square feet up to 1,450 square feet in both one and two-storyThe Residences at the Arboretum, Cary Condos layouts. They will feature luxury finishes with 9’ ceilings, crown molding, hardwoods, granite countertops, oversized balconies, and double wall and floor sound insulation.

Adjacent to the shops at The Arboretum, residents will be able to dine at great restaurants such as Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse, Bonefish Grill, Starbucks, Moe’s, and others. They can also lengthen their workout at O2 Fitness by walking to it!

Accessibility is always a concern, but Arboretum residents will enjoy this location less than a mile from Interstate 40 and can pull right into their private resident parking in a secured parking deck. We will offer state of the art controlled building access with elevator access to all floors with interior corridors. Finally, the Residences at the Arboretum will offer private resident courtyards with swimming pool, fountains, grill areas, gardens, and gazebos.

Right after I got back from MA the other week I had an itch for Starbucks, the closest of which happens to be in the Arboretum. I've lived up the street from it for a few years now but have never actually driven around the complex and was pretty impressed, it reminded me of a mini Brier Creek. Of course my car stood out like a sore thumb as it was surrounded by Mercedes, BMW's and the like (the pollen didn't help matters lol)

^^
:lol:

Is this an opportunity for Cary to become more urban in character? If yes, then we are talking about a MAJOR shift. There is a nice online report, by WRAL-5, under the title Large Development Could Add Thousands To Cary's Population (http://www.wral.com/news/8624020/detail.html). I know what many forumers may think: sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. However, read the article, watch the video, look at the following renderings (courtesy of the Town of Cary; sorry about the bad quality) and discuss!!!

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/Alston-CaryNC-1m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/Alston-CaryNC-2m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/Alston-CaryNC-3m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/Alston-CaryNC-4m.jpg

A few site plans, to give you an idea of what the area will look like. Of course, some suburban elements will continue to exist, but in all fairness, this development is located at a major intersection (I-540 and Hwy 55). Not bad for such location.

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/AlstonLandUses-CaryNC-1m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/AlstonMasterPlan-CaryNC-1m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Cary/Alston/AlstonSitePlan-CaryNC-1m.jpg

Wow the development looks great! My only concern is that I dont think I-540 currently intersects with 55 i dont think it will till like 2015. Im not really sure about this though.

This would be nice, but Cary won't see anything like this. Expect more sprawl.

It will take about 10 years to see the full-blown project, hence the [uncertain] population projections (20,000-40,000). There are several players involved in this development:
The town of Cary, which created the master plan for the four quadrants of land (830 acres) surrounding the coming I-540 interchange at N.C. 55.
Teer Associates, a Durham company, which plans a massive mixed-use project for the North-East quadrant, called Alston Station (750,000sf of retail space, 400,000sf of office space, 225 residential units and 2 hotels).
American Asset Corp, which plans to build Alston Town Center, aka Cary Creek Commons (up to 416,570sf of commercial space; 88 acres on Alston Ave).
Lincoln Harris, which plans to build 160,000sf-175,000sf of retail space with upper-level apartments/condominiums - possibility for a grocery store.
Glenn Futrell, Johnny McConnell, J.G. Gritton and Roger Perry's East West Partners, who have committed to develop part of the Alston Activity Center (residential and commercial).
Most developments of this kind would not raise any eyebrows, but I have followed this plan for a while and I must say I am impressed with the Town of Cary's position on pushing for more urban feel. I remember reading some comments, by one of the developers, stating how "tough" it was for them to make this project urban, and how much they had to work on meeting Cary's "demands". That made me laugh and cry, at the same time. If the town allows additional density, what was the challenge? Developers normally beg for such attitude; cities and towns in this area try to maintain low-to-medium density :( Anyway, it sounds like this is a huge step forward, and I must admit, it looks more urban than Davis Park.

Wow the development looks great! My only concern is that I dont think I-540 currently intersects with 55 i dont think it will till like 2015. Im not really sure about this though.


They are working on that connection right now. It is suppose to open Fall 2007.

This would be nice, but Cary won't see anything like this. Expect more sprawl.


How long have you lived in Cary area? I am assuming you live in the Cary area.

If it gets delivered as proposed it would be cool :)

Can you think of something in Cary that has been proposed as one thing and built as something different. I lived here all my life and the last thing I can think of was in 1990, Crossroads becoming a regional mall and it ended up as a huge big box center.
(because developer went bankrupt).

They are working on that connection right now. It is suppose to open Fall 2007.

i havent heard of any news on 540 going beyond knightdale at this time, unless they started building it the other way around under my nose.

I think that this time Cary has gotten serious about changing the direction. If it is to become a powerful voice in the Triangle, it needs more than just numbers of residents... more than just being a bedroom community. A large project like this creates a major connection with the largest employment center, RTP. What the town lacks in terms of true center, may as well gain by creating the best connectivity with one. It is a strategic move on Cary's behalf, but also a step to the right direction. Not to mention that it adds to the density of the Triangle. Filling up the gaps in between the Triangle towns and cities is just as important. I say that because the word sprawl comes to our mind every time we see new communities popping up. Another thing to keep in mind is that TTA's proposed rail isn't too far from this project. Maybe there is more to it than just numbers ;)

How long have you lived in Cary area? I am assuming you live in the Cary area.

6 years, in the Triangle.
When has cary shown any desire for dense development?

Take a look at Carpenter Village. I had thought about moving there, because of the promise to build some retail in the town center. That was, maybe, 4 years ago. Hows that coming along?

Fact of the triangle, is that there is no natural boundaries to stop development; leaders have no desire to force boundaries; and gas is relatively cheap. Until one of these things change, Cary, Raleigh, etc will sprawl. I don't like it, but thats whats going to happen.

Carpenter Village is being built in phases. While Phase I is done, the second stage is simply going at the speed of the slowest turtle :( The strange thing is that not only the village center is to be filled with retail - I need to go back and check the status of this - but there are plans for development across the street, with more retail. In my opinion, not enough residents live there to justify a major retail addition. A lot will depend on how nearby developments will do. The scariest part is that everything happens independently, without connectivity in mind... which is why I am more optimistic about the Alston Activity Center proposal.

Transplant said it right. Without major [natural] boundaries to stop development - Falls Lake watershed is a nice exception - it will be hard to prevent developers from going outside the city limits. Again, I support several developments around RTP because they are more central to the area than, let's say, something near Clayton. Unfortunately, we have yet to see the promise of a neo-traditional community being delivered. The great thing about Carpenter Village is its proximity to a public street, more so than Meadowmont Village, Southern Village and Bedford. Another great community to look at is Renaissance Park, in South Raleigh (near Tryon Rd and S. Saunders Str):

http://www.renaissancepark.com/images/splan.jpg

While there are some suburban elements in the design, there are also some nice features. If Alston Activity Center turns out to be the same way, and if future developments folow this pattern, we may end up with some reasonable "new urbanist"/neo-traditional communities. The above example is not 100% urban, but even at 75%, it is better than the typical [suburban] subdivisions.

i havent heard of any news on 540 going beyond knightdale at this time, unless they started building it the other way around under my nose.


Ah, but they have it will open next year in the fall. If you take 540 now to the interchange with 40 you can plainly see that it is paved as far as the eye can see toward Cary. So the Full Northern Arch of 540 will be complete next year from Cary all the way to Knightdale.

wow i didnt know that thats gonna be awesome. At the 540 interchange with highway 64 it does not go straight it only goes east and west on 64 at this time though. (like a T-intersection) but maybe they just havent built the main overpass yet. Once 540 goes through i could probably get to cary in fifteen minutes which will be great. Somebody made the comment that gas is relatively cheap, that is not true at all its expensive as hell. Some of my freinds in retail can harldy get by. I think north carolina has the 6th highest gas price in the country ( might be mistake i think i heard this on news 14). I think the gas tax should be set per gallon as apposed to per dollar that would save us north carolinians alot of money. Last I heard something like 50 cents a gallon is going to the government as apposed to like 15 cents 5 years ago. Well i gotta run out and blow another $20 on the lotto see u later.

Does anybody have a website on the construction of i540 ive been searching around and cant find anything worth while.

DOT website for the outer Loop (I540) (http://www.ncdot.org/doh/preconstruct/highway/roadway/Outerloop/)

As far as the cost of gas, it's obviously higher than it was, but is by no means expensive. At least not when compared to Europe, or Canada. When people start using, or demanding mass transit (busses around here), you'll know its gone too high.

As far as the gas tax, I believe it is per gallon, and its a fixed amount. The gas tax is not really an issue for me. The cost to repair (and build) roads has to come from somewhere, and IMO should be from those who use it. That means either a toll, or a gas tax.

Carpenter Village center was poorly planned. The village should have been surrounded by more density than it is. The current 'ring' around the village is nice, but should have been replicated several times. This would have been more profitable to the developer, I would have thought. I've never figured out why, but I can't understand why folks drive to an area like 5 points, that has some retail and nicely laid out streets w/nicely designed homes and try to replicate that. Adding Density near the center to increase foot traffic of businesses, and profit for the developer.....

Carpenter Village center was poorly planned. The village should have been surrounded by more density than it is. The current 'ring' around the village is nice, but should have been replicated several times. This would have been more profitable to the developer, I would have thought. I've never figured out why, but I can't understand why folks drive to an area like 5 points, that has some retail and nicely laid out streets w/nicely designed homes and try to replicate that. Adding Density near the center to increase foot traffic of businesses, and profit for the developer.....Well said. I wish that developers were a bit bolder and for once do what's best for them AND the city/town. I am not sure what the ordinance dictated when the plan was first drafted, but I surely hope they go back and revisit it. I think that additional density would help both the developers and the community. Let's keep in mind that across the two sides of the village center area, there are apartments/condos and townhomes (the latter are very nice, in my opinion), so it makes sense that they build a denser (taller???) village center, where people would be able to dine, shop and be entertained without having to walk too far, or drive, as well as live. Again, I only hope that the developers will eventually look at the plan again and alter it significantly. Does anyone know if the group responsible for the retail part is still in charge? Sometimes, there are delays because the parties involved do not come to an agreement (i.e. North Shore/Lake Raleigh development).

Not development related news, but this may affect the urban development in Carrboro in the future. The town was recognized as one of the friendliest for bicyclists. The N&O had a short article, titled Carrboro remains a bike-friendly town (http://http://www.newsobserver.com/102/v-print/story/431043.html). According to the article, Carrboro is the first NC community to receive this recognition. Congrats to the town for this award (bronze).

It would be nice if some midrise towers could be built around University Tower, unfortunately I'm not sure how tall the buildings could get due to Durham's strict height restrictions outside of it's core. I think a few nice 5-10 story buildings would really help that immediate area out,unfortunately I think building heights are limited to 4 or 5 floors....meaning what's built out there will probably sppear to be suburban in nature. Maybe they can still create a dense area around the tower, just with short buildings....

If that happens Durham will yet have another skyline to add to its small collection.

It would be nice if some midrise towers could be built around University Tower, unfortunately I'm not sure how tall the buildings could get due to Durham's strict height restrictions outside of it's core. I think a few nice 5-10 story buildings would really help that immediate area out,unfortunately I think building heights are limited to 4 or 5 floors....meaning what's built out there will probably sppear to be suburban in nature. Maybe they can still create a dense area around the tower, just with short buildings....

If that happens Durham will yet have another skyline to add to its small collection.

Better than not having it :okay:

Where should i put a post about the Light rail in the triangle? I'll put it here until otherwise directed. I found this link about the latest developments on the light rail.
Well on second thought the link disappeared. ANyhow TTA annouced that they had signed an agreement with Norfolk southern for right a way on the last portion of track they needed to get clearance on the entire 28 miles of track. It appears TTA is progressing and buying property in the downtown area as well for the stations. The design of the stations is almost complete. So the federal funding for TTA would be to buy the trains and build the stations and adjust some track and rail bridges and such.
It is good they are marching forward with this option still. The next post I will tie in with my comments about population growth in the South.

Cary NC, do you have a link to something on this, sounds like good news.

I read about this, too... TTA's regional rail has certainly lost much of its support, but it's far from dead. The situation is a bit confusing, though, but nodody can say with certainty what will happen. Things can turn around as more developments get proposed near the future stations, but the progress needs to be made faster. If we can't present a good case to the Feds, the funding is gone, and so is the confidence. It will take years to restore faith, but I am sure TTA will eventually pull this, even if a major delay comes its way.

As I was driving to work this morning I heard on the radio that after the new sky-high gasoline prices, TTA is beginning to gain support, again. It was a news brief, therefore no details were mentioned, but I will look for more information.

[Note: I added the following paragraph, in order to avoid additional posts]

I finally found a link that may be of interest to y'all: TTA Poll: Rail Plan Popular (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4118912). Hardly revealing, but I think that we may see a shift in favor to TTA's regional rail. Always keep in mind that even if the Feds reject funding for this project, it may still go forward, but not without major modifications, particularly the part that concerns the ridership numbers and the local funding. Remember that TTA is asking for 61% of the funds, which is RIDICULOUS!!! Why would anyone in the Federal Government support this project? While I love to have a regional rail, I expect TTA to ask for less than 40% before they can hope for approval.

On a not-so-positive tone, N&O had an article concerning the future of SunTrust's DT Durham presence. The bank said that they are committed to DT Durham, even though they consider a [partial] move out of the existing location. The bank says that they have no plans to leave downtown, which I want to believe. Also, SunTrust wants to keep the logo on the top of the [former] CCB Tower, a ground-level branch and a few offices in that building. My guess is, they wish to move in a new high-rise, although I am not sure that 250 employees is a number good enough to justify something truly large :( Anyway, SunTrust wants to sell the tower - maintaining some presence in it seems to be important - and hopefully move into a new one. This sale would have been ideal a year ago, when certain companies were looking for space, but even now it is not too late. I just hope that SunTrust doesn't occupy space in the renovated warehouses. DT Durham needs a new signature tower and now is the time to get one.

As I was looking around JDavis' webpage for new projects, I came across a new project in Morrisville, called Grace Park. I passed through that area (Davis Dr and Morrisville-Carpenter Rd) last Sunday, but didn't notice anything more than a few buildings, but then again I didn't pay much attention. Here are some images, courtesy of JDavis Architects:

Site plan:
http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/portfolio/slideshows/current_projects/images/grace_park4.jpg

http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/portfolio/slideshows/current_projects/images/grace_park.jpg

http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/portfolio/slideshows/current_projects/images/grace_park2.jpg

http://www.jdavisarchitects.com/portfolio/slideshows/current_projects/images/grace_park3.jpg

I must admit this is not necessarily an urban project, but it does have some good elements. For those who wish to see more, there is a document here (http://www.ci.morrisville.nc.us/planning/WebAgendas/3-9-2006/2006-063.pdf). Also, you can see a better site plan of this project (formerly known as Davis Commons) right here (http://www.thekalikowgroup.com/images/davis_commons_site_plan.pdf). I do not foresee anything elegant, but it is a good start towards denser, more walkable communities. It is a good thing that developers are beginning to think more in terms of walkability and destinations. Hopefully, they will not give us just a bunch of dense gated communities.

Some good, and much anticipated news from Durham in an N&O article, titled SunTrust tower has buyer (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/v-print/story/442118.html). We were prepared for it, but it is nice to see that DT Durham is finally seeing serious interest for a new tower, and more condos :okay: SunTrust had better consider moving into a new tower across from the existing location. If this deal goes through, I will be very anxious to see the renderings of the new high-rise ;)

The good news from DT Durham continue to arrive. Anyone who has the opportunity to visit occasionally witnesses the growth and progress made in this city, but it never hurts to hear the local leaders confirming their desire to make DT Durham a great place to live, work and play. Here is a link to a WRAL-5 story, with the title Downtown Durham Undergoes Building Boom (http://www.wral.com/news/9314366/detail.html). Check out some interesting excerpts:“I think this will eventually be a grittier, funkier version of Glenwood South in Raleigh,” said Holliman.

...

Right now, there are 700 people living in the downtown area. In two years, that number is expected to more than triple. And there will be plenty of places for the new residents to stay. More than 1,000 new residential units should open their doors by 2008.First of all, it is exciting to hear people comparing their entertainment district(s) to Glenwood South. Personally, I think that the entire DT Durham has a lot going for itself and when done it will be a kick-ass mixed-use district. Perception is the worst enemy for the City of Medicine and I surely hope that things improve in that department.

If anyone thought that Cary doesn't have NIMBYs, think again. WRAL-5 has an online report, titled Seven-Story Building Under Consideration In Cary (http://www.wral.com/news/9338705/detail.html) where more info can be found. To summarize, there is a 7-story mixed-use building proposed, along with a cluster of mixed-use low-rises. The NIMBYs call this building "seven-story monster" :bash: Go figure!!! All the crap that goes on in Cary doesn't seem to bother them enough to react, but a 7-story building among a cluster of 4-story ones is a major thing to them. Some people need to get a life, or rearrange their priorities. Or move somewhere else, preferrably.

I used to drive by that parcel of land all the time. It's not that large of a land area. What irritates me about people in Cary is that they'll have no problem turning 100's of acres of land on the edge of town into cookie cutter mcmansions or low rise office buildings/shopping centers, but when a 7 story building is proposed on a relatively small parcel of land in a developed part of town they call it a monster.

Honestly, I am not sure that Cary's population really cares about it. It is only a handful of people that make noise and try to scare others. I surely hope that Cary officials don't fall for this crap and approve the rezoning request. Hopefully, it will turn out to be a nice project and not another extremely suburban development.

Being a native to Cary, this is the one item that really bothers me. NIMBY'S. Shoot, I grew up the Cary Village Mall. They took my field/woods away to create Cary Towne Center, but there was no kicking and screaming from my neighbors. I agree with both of you, I don't understand why people have a problem with high rise density. Raleigh NC, you are right, I think it is a handful of people that are kicking and screaming. Cary is going to run out of land and then what. Why not start to think about building up more instead of quickly filling up the city limits with the same old stuff.

I think it is time to start writing emails to the City/Town Council. Cary's officials may need to hear from us prior to making their final decision. Anyone cares to enlighten the rest of us as to how we can make some changes in Cary? After all, our cities/towns are not far apart and share common pains. I would not mind sending an email, but is there need for it? Cary officials have been pro-developers and I hope to let this proposal go as envisioned, provided it is a good project, overall.

Well, Why dont they build the 7 story building in downtown Cary? From what I saw on the news it looked like it was in the middle of no where.

Building a 7 story building away from downtown is still sprawl IMO.

The building would be built maybe a mile or two away from downtown Cary off of Maynard, the loop that circles through mainly the slightly older areas of town. It's not the middle of nowhere at all. I bet if this thing were proposed off of Chatham in downtown people would still be calling it "a monster"

Mike is correct... This area is definitely not in the middle of nowhere. I used to drive almost daily, back in the mid-to-late 90's and it was a fairly busy place back then. Not from an urban standpoint, but traffic-wise. Proximity to DT Cary is also a plus, but what we need to keep in mind is that developers just can't take their project and move it downtown. If y'all remember all those pointless debates about Soleil Center, you will recall how people tend to forget that if one doesn't own a piece of property downtown, there is no chance they can build there. Now, I don't know if the developer of the 7-story mid-rise owns any property downtown, or if they already have plans, but I would not be surprised if they build something larger in the future right in the center of the town. I just hope that the town council doesn't get scared and follow the recommendations of the NIMBYs.

Chapel Hill is not left out when it comes to urban development. In fact, the town is doing a few things right. However, as NIMBYs in Chapel Hill get up in arms and stall the process, the costs of building these great projects rises disproportionally. The $80 million project is now up to $100 million, forcing the developer to alter the plans significantly, or the city to offer more incentives (=taxpayers' money). Here is an article from today's N&O that explains the current state of these developments:

Price of Chapel Hill projects up sharply. (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/v-print/story/448685.html)

Hopefully, both private and public initiatives will save these projects from failing. As usual, I am optimistic that Lot 5 and Wallace Deck will succeed and pave the road for more. For those not familiar with these projects, visit the following links and/or see the images (courtesy of Cline Design Associates):

1) Lot 5 (http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/portfolio.asp?MainCat=Housing&SubCat=HOUSING-Mixed&EntryID=113)

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/lot-5-rendering.jpg

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/arcade.jpg

2) Wallace Deck (http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/portfolio.asp?MainCat=Housing&SubCat=HOUSING-Mixed&EntryID=125)

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/Wallace-Deck_watercolor.jpg

Has Soleil had any 2nd thoughts about building Raleigh's tallest in flood plain now that the entire building site is under a couple feet of nasty brown polluted runoff water?

They can sell the units as: Riverfront

uptownliving, if you were in Raleigh you would probably have seen reality from a different perspective. Somehow I knew that someone was going to use this flooding to say something negative about Soleil Center, so here is the real picture for you and everyone else who criticizes Soleil Center. Crabtree Valley, particularly the Soleil Center site, is not the only risk area in Raleigh. Yet, new developments go to other areas, equally prone to flooding. There have been pictures posted online where one can witness how flooding has messed up many of Raleigh's neighborhoods, residential and otherwise. The only conclusion I have for you is that Soleil Group is right on the money on everything concerning their decision not to have ground level retail. While flooding may affect a building's structure, in the case of Soleil Center the "damage" will be minimal in the case of flooding, thanks to the way this tower has been planned. Try to place a few mid-rises, with retail on the ground floor instead, and then tell me what the worst case scenario is. Check these photos out (courtesy of WRAL-5).

Hillsborough Street:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369019.jpg

Avent Ferry Road:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9368520.jpg

Trawick Road (from 4ft wide to 15ft wide):
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369005.jpg

Milner Inn on Capital Blvd:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369760.jpg

Atlantic Ave and Hodges Str:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369787.jpg

Someone's backyard:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369802.jpg

Near Six Forks Rd and Wake Forest Rd:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369755.jpg

Gorman Street:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369810.jpg

Unknown location:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9369941.jpg

Papa Lou's on Wake Forest Rd:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9370749.jpg

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http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9370807.jpg

North Ridge:
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0614/9370859.jpg

Of course, I cannot take credit for all those photos. If you wish to see more and the names of the photographers, feel free to visit WRAL-5 in the following URL:

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/news/9368645/detail.html?qs=;s=1;w=400

Not much fun, I must admit. Now I have to find a way to get back home without going through the flooded neighborhoods... We have been a bit off topic, but the Hell? This flooding was worthy of our attention.

Those are some pretty amazing photos.

Call me stupid...but I just don't think its smart to build anything in a flood plain...wheather its a hotel, condo tower, mall, office building, or a shack.

The reality is that this type of flooding is only going to get worse as more impervious surfaces are built and more and more water runs off into the creeks instead of being absorbed by the ground.

I think this shows the different philosophies with land use in Wake vs Mecklenburg Counties...In Mecklenburg they have been buying homes and other structures in flood plains and tearing them down and turning it into park land....whereas in Wake yall are building 42 story towers that everyone fully expects it to get flooded out.

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Uptown living you are quoted

"Call me stupid...but I just don't think its smart to build anything in a flood plain...wheather its a hotel, condo tower, mall, office building, or a shack."

Then why the heck are they rebuilding New Orleans. Answer that for me.

New Orleans has a sophisticated levy system...what does Raleigh have?

Call me stupid...but I just don't think its smart to build anything in a flood plain...wheather its a hotel, condo tower, mall, office building, or a shack.I couldn't agree more, but this not the time to discuss this. Raleigh - and it isn't the only city dealing with it - has several areas that flood easily, but this doesn't mean we need to stop building. The difference between New Orleans and Raleigh is that a large chunk of the fomer sits under water level. However, the reason behind rebuilding isn't the existence of the levy, but the economic significance of New Orleans, along with the will of the human species to not give up. Likewise, Raleigh's flooding issues will not stop us from developing in flood plains, but rather force us to improve the infrastructure and avoid a disasterous impact on the existing buildings.

Hopefully, all those opposing Soleil Center's lack of ground-level destinations will finally realize why a purely urban project cannot be built in this section. The developers (Soleil Group) are putting $100 million of their own money in this deal, so I am pretty confident that they don't wish to lose their investment after yet-another flood hits Crabtree. With all the tax revenue that will come from the proposed condos, hotel and business the city might be able to develop a system that could minimize the impact of flooding. As uptownliving said, it is not wise to develop in flood plains, but it is too late now. On a positive note, the Crabtree Valley area is dry now.

Well I don't think that this flood help the sales of their condos at all....how have sales gone there? I havn't heard a peep out of them.

Well, I haven't spoken to the developer since the demolition, but from what I heard, demand is satisfactory, and not just from locals. Flooding never makes an investment attractive, but the people who will live there won't have to worry too much, anyway. Personally, I wouldn't spend $1-$3 million for a condo, anyway, but those who have the money won't care much, I think. At least, no more than those who spent millions to buy houses on Wrightsville Beach and other overpriced areas. Maybe Soleil Group can offer a helicopter shuttle from Soleil Center to several destinations when things get tough. "Your shuttle to Harris Teeter has arrived." :lol:

There is a big difference between flooding that causes houses to be destroyed and an entire city being evacuated for months-- and a flood that forces you to stay "upstairs" in your condo for the afternoon. The trick is engineering that will minimize the impact of these floods.

Flooding is bad, but really a bad flood once every 10 years is not SO bad. Even if they did up the street level nice with walkways and trees, such a flood for a day wouldn't destroy it. Crabtree flooding is more of an incovenience than anything else--except when it damages stores.

Concerning the Cary projects, I am curious to know the political demographics of the area. Is it dominantly Republican or Democrat?

Cary is mostly Republican.

For all those concerned or questioning whether Soliel should build there (Crabtree Valley). Here is how the city of Raleigh is responding.

http://www.wral.com/news/9384137/detail.html

Great link :okay: I agree that the guidelines should be changed to ensure that future flooding won't cause as many troubles. Glad to hear that Soleil Group is also looking into the current events as an opportunity to improve on Soleil Center's design... That is the way to look at challenges ;)

I got a stellar idea...why not ban all development in the flood plain? Expand the Greenway. It is what Mecklenburg County is doing...why isn't Wake doing the same?

Why could they have not built Soleil Center in the Circuit City parking lot?

I do know the answers to these questions...but I guess my real question is why do we keep making the same mistakes over and over again? The reason that the Soleil Center is being built where it is...is due to the fact that they were able to buy the land for a bargain...for the very reason that it floods. The Soleil Center may make economic sense...but from a practical and logical perspective...there is nothing at all that makes sense about the Soleil Center. Building a highrise on stilts that will have NOTHING on the ground floor? Raleigh is not on the coast. There is not a land shortage forcing the Soleil Center to be built next to a creek. Mother Nature always wins.

are they doing anything about the drainage in the area? i know that there was one place in charlotte where the area would flood ALL THE DAMN TIME (even if someone just turn on their sprinkler system) so the city updated the capacity of the creek under roads and other stuff so that it could carry a lot more water. is that even being considered?

You know the last time it flooded like this was Hurricane Fran, 10 years ago. So it appears the real danger is when a hurricanne/ tropical storm comes. Thanks to the Charlotte residents looking out for us in Raleigh.

@uptownliving: While I do not disagree with you, I must say that $5 million is not exactly a bargain, not to mention the costs of demolishing and cleaning up. Soleil Group, and we said this many times before, was going to renovate the previous structure, not build a new tower. However, when they estimated the costs of doing so, it made no financial sense. As a result, the idea of Soleil Center 1 was born. Its goal was to provide amenities and image, not to pour hundreds of people in the streets of Crabtree Valley. The Circuit City site was never an option because: a) it wasn't for sale, and b) there are homes right behind that lot and people would have opposed.

I am not sure we can solve the flooding issue, especially through preventing new development. What we saw happening this week was not worse than Fran, 10 years ago. They made some improvements in the area and there is a good chance these measures prevented the worst case scenario this time. While not sufficient, I am sure the latest problems revealed how much more work needs to be done before we truly minimize the impact. Can we permanently solve the problem? I doubt it VERY seriously. As uptownliving said, nature always wins. On the other hand, there is no need to panic, or render an area not proper for development because it floods for a day every 10 years. I am not trying to downplay this issue, but engineers can solve more problems than we give them credit for. Obviously, the vast majority of the people in that area are not as discouraged, so let's not exaggerate the problem. I wish we could undo things, but alas, the financial implications are far worse than flooding in Crabtree Valley. Who is going to pick up the bill?

I keep hearing that the local powers-that-be will take additional measures to minimize the impact of flooding in this area, but it will take a while before we actually see something concrete.

as more land is developed in the raleigh area, the more the floods will come. that's just common sense (the less water that can go into the ground due to there being a 250,000 square foot wal mart there, or a 1,000 square foot house x 250 in a 'hood + roads, sidewalks and drive ways).

You know the last time it flooded like this was Hurricane Fran, 10 years ago. So it appears the real danger is when a hurricanne/ tropical storm comes. Thanks to the Charlotte residents looking out for us in Raleigh.

You mean Hurricane Floyd 99...Fran 96

Nothing unexpected, but the final decision became official and now the Triangle is getting yet-another major recognition by a great company, this time Fidelity Investments. The latter will build a regional center that will house 2000 employees, plus the 1000 existing employees. The state offerred $69 million in incentives, over a 12-year period, assuming Fidelity Investments delivers what it promised. The average annual salary for the new positions is expected to be at least $58,400. Here are some links, if you are interested in reading more:
Fidelity Investments Picks Triangle For Big Job Expansion (http://www.wral.com/news/9613274/detail.html)
Fidelity Bringing 2,000 Jobs to Wake (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=central&id=4424013)
Fidelity Investments Plans $100 Million N.C. Facility (http://www.nbc17.com/employment/9614914/detail.html)
Fidelity brings jobs, $100M facility (http://rdu.news14.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=88605)
On a negative tone, Fidelity Investments will house its operations in a 260-acre/$100 million campus, near RTP :bash: Of course, we cannot expect anything urban, just another freakin' sprawling office park, but the additional 2000 people will definitely have to live and play somewhere, and I do not see any better place than our downtowns... at least for the "play" part.

Raleigh NC- I know you and many other posters are disappointed about the urban office park for Fidelity instead of filling up a skyscraper. However, I think a positive it will have besides the live and play is that it puts us on the map as a financial center destination and if companies are looking to create a regional hedquarters or whatever. Maybe now that downtown is moving forward with so many projects that they will decide to occupy a building downtown. I really believe that it is only a matter of time.
until more jobs head DT. The RTP is actually running out of land. So that will not be an option in 7-10 years from now.

You are correct. This type of parks will force us to increase density in the future, plus Fidelity's presence is a MAJOR boost for this area. Overall, I am ecstatic, but I can't forget how unprepared our downtown areas are to attract such a large relocation within their boundaries :( Anyway, it is a big win for the area.

I know, I know. I feel it to. Wouldn't be awesome to have Fidelity on top of a 40 story skyscraper. Who knows, maybe eventually they will move 1000 people DT b/c the clients work there.

I don't think people realize how many North America HQs and World HQs are in the RDU area. For instance, Cotton Inc has a world HQs here and Lenovo is building the N. America HQ here and a company my brother works for is Engenious (does business with several Fortune 500 companies)has the world HQ in Cary. Things are looking great and not to get political but you have to give a hand to the Governor for his job recruitment. In fact he put NYC on notce today with the Fidelity announcement that he is going after more financial institutions housed there. Maybe Morgan Stanley is next.

I think that our state has great chances to gain more relocations. I do, however, want to see some of those companies moving to our downtowns instead. We'll see...

Great news coming for one of Cary's nicer shopping centers. Waverly Place is about to undergo changes and convert into a North Hills type of development, with residential, retail and office space in the mix. I just wish they could bring back a Seldom Blues like place. That was an EXCELLENT entertainment destination, a bit ahead of its time, unfortunately.

The good news does not only come from the larger cities and towns of the Triangle. Apex is getting ready for a MAJOR addition to its downtown. Two projects, similar to North Hills, are proposed for DT Apex. They are called Trackside North and Trackside South, but they are proposed by two different developers. The initial planning phase of the South portion has been already approved, but not the North side. The developer of the latter needs to address and resolve some issues concerning the entrance(s) and the rail tracks... I am not sure exactly what the issue is. If these projects materialize, they will add about 1600 residential units in 150 acres available for development. This would add at least another 2000-3000 new residents, in DT Apex alone. This is HUGE for a town the size of Apex. Anyone who has been to the downtown area knows how charming it can be and how massive the potential is. I truly hope that the town's leaders will not allow these two proposals to turn into ugly suburban crap. Even North Hills has failed to address some issues - it could have been done much better, IMHO - and I surely hope that developers will respect the existing fabric. More details later.

I decided to add content here, to avoid extra posts. Here is a link for y'all to read some more on these two projects:

Downtown Apex in developers' sights (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/09/18/story1.html?t=printable)

I know that Apex is being overlooked a bit, but those who have visited must have appreciated the nice little downtown area. I know I like it and I hope that more development will follow. It has the potential to be something great.

I drove through downtown Apex a few years back and noticed it was larger then I expected and has so much potential...

Absolutely. It is an underrated place and has so much charm!!! Wake Forest's downtown is also on a similar path. To the best of my knowledge, developers are warming up to DT Wake Forest's opportunities for new development and conversions and we should hear some good news in the next 12 months or so. Of course, Trackside North and Trackside South will have to be as urban as possible to make the difference. Hopefully they won't be the [fake] "new urbanist" crap that developers tend to call their stupid ideas these days. There are some nice new urbanist projects, but I have yet to see such ideas in Raleigh. New North Hills is the closest we have gotten so far to New Urbanism.

Some mixed news from Durham:

A bigger Diamond View II (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/v-print/story/496530.html)

Developer's project faces resistance in Hayti (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/v-print/story/496623.html)

The first one is a piece of good news as it discusses a scale up of 25% for a planned building. The increase of space from 120,000sf to 150,000sf should add 1-2 additional floors. The second piece of news promises to be controversial and I have no opinion to offer. First, I do not live in Durham. Second, I am not familiar with either the project, or the area discussed. Touching one's history must be approached with respect and care, so I will leave this to those directly associated with this issue. What I wish to share is some links that could provide some background on the two opposite parties and a rendering that could be of the actual proposal:

Scientific Properties (http://www.scientificproperties.com/)
Hayti Heritage Center (http://www.hayti.org/)

Heritage Square
http://www.scientificproperties.com/images/SPSliced_03.jpg
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Related articles/publications:
Heritage Square gets a buyer (http://www.newsobserver.com/703/story/398124.html)
Plan would raze Heritage Square (http://htyp.org/index.php?title=2006-04-19_Herald-Sun:_plan_would_raze_Heritage_Square&printable=yes)
South Central Durham Plan (1995) (http://www.biology.duke.edu/wilson/DOST/plans/plan_south_central.pdf)

A very nice collection of historic footage (requires RealPlayer):
Hayti District videos (http://www.ibiblio.org/hayti/video.html)

I tried to find photos of that area, but couldn't :( If anyone has any, please share.

Awesome! Go Apex

I wish Fuquay......and Varina would do something like this. I don't want them to tear down everything. But it would be cool for us to get some 3-6 story condos and stuff in both of our downtowns. Maybe they could just add on to what is already there.


Fuquay and Varina both are really nice and have so much potential.

These two projects (Trackside North and Trackside South) will certainly add a lot of residents within DT Apex' boundaries and urbanize the center of the town. As long as they do not become fake and suburban in character, they could provide the success stories and the guidelines other Triangle towns are looking for before they stop their extreme "suburbanization".

Awesome! Go Apex

I wish Fuquay......and Varina would do something like this. I don't want them to tear down everything. But it would be cool for us to get some 3-6 story condos and stuff in both of our downtowns. Maybe they could just add on to what is already there.


Fuquay and Varina both are really nice and have so much potential.

... I'm confused. Fuquay-Varina has two downtowns?

... I'm confused. Fuquay-Varina has two downtowns?

Yeah!

The section on highway 55 is known as Varina
The section on 401/42 is known as Fuquay

That is why there is a dash in Fuquay-Varina. They combined the names. So back in the day they were always considered seperate. And they really are today in a way.

Once you get out of the downtown area, we are called Fuquay-Varina.

But most people do not know this history and say Fuquay-Varina no matter where you are at in town...or they just say Fuquay for every part of town.

When you are in the Fuquay and varina dowtown area, you will notice the little flags on the light post say just either "Fuquay" or "Varina," depending which you are in, it's never combined.

Thats just another little thing that makes Fuquay-Varina such a cool place!

Some more good news from Durham: Durham redevelopment spreading north (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/504683.html). Extending development to all directions near downtown is always a great way to achieve density and create livable areas around the core. Some good preservation and renovation is under way ;) This is the same company that wants to build a new high-rise across from the SunTrust Tower, so we'll see what other surprises they have for us.

Cary is slowly following the same path with Raleigh when it comes to reusing shopping centers. I am talking about Waverly Place, a somewhat dying shopping center, which was unexpected because it is propably the most attractive one, IMHO. The plans call for a New North Hills like development, with emphasis on mixed use. Check this article out: Cary's Waverly Place To Be Reborn With New Development (http://www.wral.com/news/10242893/detail.html). There is a video, too, so don't miss it. I remember the days when Seldom Blues was a great attraction... What a great place for live Jazz and Blues music!!! That was a GREAT attraction and you could only find such elegant venues in big cities. Too bad it didn't work out :(

Speaking of Waverly Place
I am so excited that they will finally build something that will draw the attraction of tenants. I liked going there if I was looking to find a quiet place to walk.

Two more shopping centers that need complete makeovers in Cary, IMHO, are South Hills and Cary Village Sqaure, across the street from Cary Towne Center. Both of the projects have the potential to bring in 24x7 crowd by employing mixed use philosphy.

Pros for Cary Village Square.
An elementary, middle, and high school all in walking distance. I am talking across the street walking distance. Major shopping destination next door with CTC and barnes and noble. already has movie theater and some good fast food joints, 4 banks in walking distances, an old 4 story office complex and a newer 4 story office complex.
Create an opportunity to tear up the empty parking lots and create a huge succession. I believe York properties owns Cary Village square. What is Smedes thinking or rather why has he thought about this?

I agree with you on everything. Next time I see Mr York I will try to remember to ask him about Cary Village Square. I think that once North Hills is completed, and the Waverly Place gets its facelift, more such projects will pop up all over Cary. There are aging shopping centers, with too much unused parking space. This can be great news and a HUGE opportunity to redevelop those centers into mixed-use projects. Time will tell...

Today, I read an article titled Johnston may hit brakes (http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/506979.html). We all know what growth means in the neighborhing county: sprawl, sprawl and more sprawl. That is absolutely ridiculous, if you ask me. Honestly, I do not know what could come out of this "pause", but I surely want to see Johnston County maintain its rural character, without missing its chances for growth... Responsible and manageable growth, that is.

I think Cary council members really are trying to promote a smarter land reuse philosphy however you have these NIMBYs that get bent out of shape. I think Cary Village Square would produce a true walkable community without all the NIMBYs screaming. Why? Because the people that live there are the vintage Cary residents. Many of them moved to Cary 30 years ago. They don't get up in arms because they like upgrades in the surrounding areas becasue they knows it brings value to their house down the street. I am thinking of my parents neighborhood right beside Cary Towne Center.

Crossroads to CTC Streetcar/Trolley.
Don't know if it would clean up congestion but a street car right down Walnut street would be great I think. Then you could litterally connect the two shopping destinations and the two walkable communities ( south Hills Mall and Cary Village Sqaure) together. No need for park and ride because they could just using the existing shopping center's parking lots.

Maynard Loop Streetcar/Trolley
I was also thinking about mass transit in Cary. How about a street car system for Maynard loop. Walnut street could be a spur on the Maynard loop line. Then you could ride the train to the bank, the mall, the grocery store. Shoot even to high school.

Thoughts?!?

I think you covered Cary pretty well. I beleive that it would be nice to see a connection of the aforementioned centers with Downtown Cary and SAS Soccer Park via light rail/trolley. There is so much potential for redevelopment there that it would be crazy to ignore this route. Sure, TTA's regional rail has included this corridor to its plans, but we need something better at the street-level.

I know that Cary has been bashed many times for its pro-developers attitude. The town loves to annex and tries to be big, but at the same time people tend to ignore that the town has a lot of good people at the helm to run it well. Whether we agree with them, or not, it doesn't matter. Cary has maintained a great quality of life, while keeping the growth coming. Eventually, the town leadership will be forced to look into growth from a different angle. For as long as you have major players like Goodnight (S.A.S.) and his partners run the show in Cary, do not expect much. They know how to "demand" and get what they want... which is nothing more than sprawl. It was Jim Goodnight who screamed about adding even more lanes to I-40 :bash:

Personally, I have nothing against Goodnight and S.A.S., other than their urban sprawl attitude, which can be witnessed perfectly at Prestonwood - yes, S.A.S. is a large developer and "owns" a lot of subdivisions in Cary. Build large, expensive homes, add golf courses and let the people live in Utopia, that is the way S.A.S. loves to run things. If someone with a little amount of decency decides to do the right thing, many more will follow, but I see no evidence of this yet. To Cary's defense, it is a beautiful place to live, so there is no obvious need to change anything, as far as Cary's residents see it.

Some Fayetteville news.
I did not want to start a new thread because I don't have enough information to cover the entire state. However, since Fayetteville gets very little representation here, I wish to share some positive news concerning the improvements in the town's downtown district. First, check this out, and make sure you watch the video: Downtown Fayetteville Gets An Uptown Flair (http://www.wral.com/news/10259844/detail.html). In brief, there is a $13 million mixed-use project under way, called 300 Hay. It will include 20 townhomes, 16 condos, 5 penthouses and 6,000sf of retail space. The official web page can be found here (http://www.300hay.com/index.php). This is great news for Fayetteville and I think they deserve some congrats. Also, kudos to the developers for taking the risk and becoming pioneers. Here is the only image I could link to, courtesy of 300 Hay Partners:

http://www.300hay.com/images/300hay_living_06.gif

I believe York properties owns Cary Village square. What is Smedes thinking or rather why has he thought about this?He is thinking about a MAJOR renovation, based on what he told me yesterday. However, what he did not specify is whether they are thinking about remodeling, in a similar fashion to Cameron Village, or actually redeveloping the place into a more mixed-use destination. We'll see what's cooking, but I thought you might like to know, anyway.

He is thinking about a MAJOR renovation, based on what he told me yesterday. However, what he did not specify is whether they are thinking about remodeling, in a similar fashion to Cameron Village, or actually redeveloping the place into a more mixed-use destination. We'll see what's cooking, but I thought you might like to know, anyway.

That is GREAT news.:banana:

So all you forumers how do you get to know these developers to where you can ask them questions like that with Smedes York.

Well, I have the privilege to see some key people in the place of my second employment (restaurant). I see them often, and 9 out of 10 times we discuss urban developments. Unfortunately, some of them will not offer specifics, therefore I can't share much. Because of my website's focus to urban development, I can also use that as a way to communicate with developers. I have not been as "aggressive" as I should have been, but I made more friends that way.

Durham news
Here is a little update from Durham: Historic Center of downtown Durham will be spruced up (http://rdu.news14.com/content/your_news/triangle/?ArID=94295&SecID=512). Things are moving forward in the Bull City. Hopefully, after all those renovations we'll see the skyline get some facelift, too ;)

todays new york times had a great article about people moving to the triangle, if someone could put up a link that would be great

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/realestate/03nati.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

i believe that's the article you are referring to?

Thanks, to both of you. The story reflects the true picture of what is happening in the Triangle theses days, without any exaggerations. Of course, we all know what this means: more sprawl :( On a more positive note, I am glad some people consider the Triangle for relocation, right canine7 ;)

you said it

I find it odd that the couple from Austin,TX are having a hard time selling...I have always heard that their market is really hot for years too. Makes you think that no city exempt from a bubble.

Who knows, there may be other factors not taken in consideration. Location, condition, price, etc. I am sure this type of delays is not the norm in Austin. Maybe buyers show more preference for newer homes. I know that canine7 has been following the market in Raleigh and I am sure he can testify how fast houses move once they are on the market, although there are a few exceptions. What creates more issues is the tremendous supply of new homes, which doesn't seem to be enough to satisfy the demand.

yeah,Ive seen several (over the last year) come on the market and sell immediately...
Im not in a position to buy just yet,but WOW- alot of the desirable (NORTH RALEIGH ESPECIALLY) ones are getting immediate offers and only stay on the market "websites' while the sale is pending.

It seems to me that the hardest to sell are the ones along St Mary's Str. I drive through there 5 days a week and I see the signs for a longer period than you see them in North Raleigh. Of course, Five Points/Hayes-Barton is a desirable area and the prices of homes are higher than the ones in North Raleigh.

Durham news
Got some really nice news to report. One of the nicest redevelopment efforts received the green light: Project in Hayti gets go-ahead (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/518005.html). Of course, NIMBYs gave their own version of I'll be back, but I doubt they will be able to stop this project. The developer involved the community from the very beginning, as far as I know, and promise to offer space for the existing businesses in his project. Final site plans have not been submitted yet.

Chapel Hill news
Also against the NIMBY will, the Chapel Hill Town Council members voted (8-1) in favor of the proposal by Ram Development Co. Check this N&O article: Franklin Street condos win council's approval (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/518006.html). Not only this is a great redevelopment effort, but it will bring additional residents on Franklin Str, at a time they are needed the most.

Someone needs to hit the NIMBYs in the head, with something heavier than a brick. Just read this article: Plan alterations stir Trinity (http://www.thedurhamnews.com/101/story/25605.html). Am I missing something? Why in the Earth would someone react negatively over such a small change. It's not as if someone proposes a 60-story building across from single-story homes. What's wrong with those Durham NIMBYs? Anyone from Durham cares to offer a different perspective?

Don't know where to stick RDU news so I put it here... Direct flight to Denver
http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/533192.html

And it is not RDU news but big for Charlotte... IKEA
http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/533290.html

Any reactions.

I guess both pieces are good news :okay: A direct flight to Denver is a good step forward for the Triangle, which is gaining more recognition each day. I have met A LOT of people who either moved from Colorado, or natives who used to live in that state and still have relatives there. As for IKEA, congrats to Charlotte :okay:

I think I have a few updates that could potentially be good news, or simply a reason to yawn. These updates are for Durham, Apex and Cary.

Durham
Duke University is planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a cancer center and a tower with rooms for the patients, according to an article in today's N&O, titled Duke plans cancer center (http://www.newsobserver.com/150/story/533965.html). Of course, the significance of this project lies in the cancer reserach, but the adjacent tower may be of urban interest.

In another article, titled Durham's Regency Plaza center may get makeover (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/533951.html), we can read about another project, called University Marketplace. The developer plans to spend over $50 million to transform the current Regency Plaza shopping center into a mixed-use project. University Marketplace will feature 140,000sf of upscale shopping destinations, 380 apartments/condos, some surface parking and a 5-story parking deck. There will be 5-6 buildings, with some of them reaching 4-5 floors - some buildings will have residences above retail. To get a good idea about the location, check the following link and find the intersection between University Dr and Shannon Rd, near the middle:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3211+Shannon+Rd+durham,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=35.966389,-78.955157&spn=0.008875,0.021629&t=h&om=1

Cary
No link to share just yet, but there are plans for the redevelopment of the shopping center across from SAS (on Harrison Ave) into a project similar to North Hills. Jim Goodnight will be the driving force behind this project and if I heard right, he wants to give this place an upscale feel. Let's see.

Apex
A developer is silently assembling land near the future intersection of I-540 with either Hwy 55 or Hwy 1 (I am not sure about the location, but I will find out) in order to build a project similar to North Hills - again. Lots of residential units, shopping, retail, etc. Of course, this type of projects are becoming a dozen a dime, but if implemented right there is potential to avoid the mistakes of the past. A lot of developers bet on the intersections with I-540, which makes sense, in a way, but I hope they won't screw this up. Anyway, it sounds like a decent project, but I have no further details to share at this point in time, so stay tuned.

[Update: The name of the developer is Kent Cummings, and the name of the project is Trinity. If approved, it will sit at the triangle formed by Hwy 1, Hwy 55 and the future extension of I-540. See link below for the exact location.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=raleigh,+nc&ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=35.711256,-78.840294&spn=0.048993,0.10849&t=h&om=1&iwloc=addr

Trinity is going to be over 1000 acres big and will be of mixed-use nature. No golf courses, or anything like that. It sounds like a new urbanist community, with lots of retail and offices. If I remember correctly, we are talking about 4000 residential units. Given the mixed-use nature, it should be a pretty dense community.]

Id like to see that area mentioned in Cary redeveloped. I hate that kangaroo station and the people who work there too. An upscale feel is definitely appropriate there/

emutiny, I know that many of us tend to bash Cary for its suburban feel and attitude. I have to admit, though, I like the idea of having decent looking suburbs in Raleigh. I will take that over run-down, gritty areas, or extreme cookie-cutters. Cary provides good standards of living, and with a little effort it may provide some good revitalization examples. I hate Goodnight's suburban sprawl mentality, but he and his team know how to deliver elegance. Hopefully, he will create something better than the Arboretum, although the latter isn't all that bad.

I do not know how many of you have been following Carrboro's efforts to become a more pedestrian- and bicycle-friendly town. I applaude the vision, but I do hate the execution. I used to work in Carrboro, several years ago, and I do visit every now and then. I do not know everything about what is going on there, but I couldn't help letting my sarcastic side surface when I read this article (courtesy of the N&O): Pedestrian activity hasn't gone up (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/535517.html). In brief, the article states that the pedestrian activity in the town of Carrboro has not improved, overall. Now, let me ask you this: How in the Earth did they expect the pedestrian activity to improve, when the (un)wise men who lead that town have an one track mind? They seem to be focused on 1-2 things, but they resist anything that is 5-6 stories high. To increase pedestrian activity, you need a good number of people living close to destinations. Discouraging vehicular traffic is not the right approach. Again, I applaude the town's efforts and I am happy for [some of] their initiatives, but I hate their smaller-than-village mentality. Discouraging growth is not the best way to deal with it. I think that Carrboro should continue its efforts to become bicycle- and pedestrian-friendly, but also encourage a few larger projects, especially within its central areas. I would love to hear orulz' opinion, he is reading this, because he spends more time there and can offer a better "explanation". Maybe I am too harsh on the town's leaders, but I have found myself in disagreement with them, more often than not.

Just when I thought that journalists are full of fresh ideas and imagination, I was let down pretty badly :( The N&O article that changed my mind entirely is titled A plan to let Apex stand tall (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/544698.html). When I saw the article on the paper I thought: "Hey, this is great!!!"

The big-building bug has come to Apex. Local entrepreneur Steve Adams says he wants to tear down a wilting two-story at 123 N. Salem St. to make way for "downtown Apex's first skyscraper."Not that I believed Apex was going to get a 30-story high-rise, but I was hoping for something of nice size, even a 10-story midrise. Then I read the rest of the article carefully and all I wanted to do is scream with anger :bash:

But at four stories, it will tower over most other buildings in the center of Apex, a western Wake town.WTF? Can't journalists stop creating false hopes and killing them short after? At four stories, this proposal is not worth the ink to print it. No offense, but one has to lack imagination to place "skyscraper" and "four stories" in the same sentence. I guess this is a nice project for Apex, a town with a cute little downtown, but why did the author of the article have to ruin it for me?

saw in the News Observer today that the Sun Trust tower in downtown Durham will be converted to a boutique hotel and a new tower will be built across the street! way to go Durham!!!

I have fallen way behind with the Triangle news :( Yes, I saw the article and I am truly glad to hear about the progress in DT Durham. Can't wait to see the new tower rising, across from SunTrust :)

Let me add a couple of links, so others can read on this story:

Hotel planned for historic Hill building (http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/553691.html)
Greenfire unveils plans for Durham hotel (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/03/12/daily20.html?t=printable)

For those unfamiliar with this building, here is a photo. The future SunTrust tower will be built right across from the current one, at the empty lot you see below (bottom left of the photo):

http://www.pbase.com/raleighmsa/image/50271457.jpg

I am really happy for DT Durham. They have done a lot of good work revitalizing the core of the city, and it would be a shame if all these properties sit there, underutilized.

Breaking news: Morgan Stanley considers the Triangle
I posted the following in the " Raleigh Downtown Development News" thread, but since Morgan Stanley is considering the Triangle, the same thing applies to the latter.
Some breaking news for y'all: I heard that Morgan Stanley is considering the Triangle area. After Credit Suisse First Boston and Fidelity Investments, Morgan Stanley is slowly planning an even bigger move to the Triangle. Its current CEO, John Mack (see photo below; Mack is the guy on the left), is a Duke University graduate and owns a house in Wilmington. I don't know where in the Triangle Morgan Stanley may land, but this is a unique opportunity for DT Raleigh to attract a major powerhouse of the financial management world.

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/050329_050405/050404_morganstanley_VM.widec.jpg

Failing to attract Fidelity Investments certainly proved that DT Raleigh has a long way to go before we bring major corporations to our CBD. Hell, we may even lose Progress Energy's HQ if the company doesn't play the right cards. This is the last chance we'll have for many years to come before we see another large corporation considering a move. I am sure it will be a regional center, but nevertheless it's rumored to be larger than Fidelity Investments', therefore it is a unique opportunity and DT Raleigh MUST take advantage of it.
Best of luck with this one. Hopefully, either DT Raleigh, or DT Durham will be able to attract Morgan Stanley, and not some freakin' office park in the middle of nowhere.

Don't mean to overlook Durham, given the many great things happening there, but I have a hard time keeping up with Raleigh, let alone the rest of the Triangle. Today, the N&O ran a story, titled Durham spruces up downtown streets (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/560088.html), which discusses the improvements made in Durham's CBD. There is a nice map of what is taking place in terms of improvements:

http://media.newsobserver.com/content/news/durham/durham/story_graphics/20070402_durham_downtown.jpg

Here is an update on Waverly Place in Cary. Looks like buildings will be coming down.

http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/574247.html

Also I have just noticed how many corner lots at major intersections are undeveloped in Cary. Just driving the Maynard loop i counted at least 10 corners undeveloped. I am not sure who owns these lots but they are sure worth alot. I think this is how Cary is growing in the future... Infill with these lots all over town. With all the sprawl there leaves many areas undeveloped in the denser part of town... old cary.. within the loop.

Here is a link to the renderings for Waverly Place (http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly.html)me like a lot:cheers:

What is proposed is definitely a big step forward than what is now there. Sure, it could have been more urban, but the transition will not happen overnight. That area is a big mess - as far as road design is concerned - but since it will be imposssible to undo the errors, we should be thankful for projects like this. Cary has surprised me with some of its initiatives and positive attitude towards creating a better, more livable city/town. Good to see something taller than 5-6 stories going there :okay:

What is proposed is definitely a big step forward than what is now there. Sure, it could have been more urban, but the transition will not happen overnight. That area is a big mess - as far as road design is concerned - but since it will be imposssible to undo the errors, we should be thankful for projects like this. Cary has surprised me with some of its initiatives and positive attitude towards creating a better, more livable city/town. Good to see something taller than 5-6 stories going there :okay:True indeed, Cary has stepped it's game up.

Everyone says the roads are a mess over there. I drive over at least 4 or 5 times a week and never find that to be the case. I must be coming from the wrong direction?!? Also since Cary installed its computerized traffic system, which they are the only city in NC currently to have one, traffic really has eased up and is flowing just fine. What direction is bad for traffic because I am missing it?

^^
It's probably because you live there ;) The problem that I have with that area is lack of identity - too sterile. With a few landmarks (i.e. taller buildings) that area could be transformed to a much better, easier to identify center of activity. As is (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=cary,+nc&ie=UTF8&ll=35.73871,-78.782487&spn=0.008447,0.014591&t=h&z=16&om=1), it is not the worst I've seen, but from an urban standpoint it feels confusing sometimes. This comes from someone who only drives around there 3-4 times a year, so don't take my word too seriously, but I am pretty certain newcomers would find that area a bit confusing during the first few visits.

^^
It's probably because you live there ;) The problem that I have with that area is lack of identity - too sterile. With a few landmarks (i.e. taller buildings) that area could be transformed to a much better, easier to identify center of activity. As is (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=cary,+nc&ie=UTF8&ll=35.73871,-78.782487&spn=0.008447,0.014591&t=h&z=16&om=1), it is not the worst I've seen, but from an urban standpoint it feels confusing sometimes. This comes from someone who only drives around there 3-4 times a year, so don't take my word too seriously, but I am pretty certain newcomers would find that area a bit confusing during the first few visits.

Well, I would agree on the identity issue, but we were discussing traffic. Cary is not known as highrises, though I wish they were somewhere in there town, They are known for family communities built within these large neighborhoods. I hope in the next 15 years Cary will get idenitfiable districts within its boundaries. Instead of being known as the Preston area or Crossroads area, or Maynard Loop. I think waverly is a good stepping stone for that.

Obviously, I didn't make the connection properly. Traffic patterns and identity go together sometimes. Every time I take the wrong turn in that area, it is because I cannot identify a street with something unique. That is what I meant to say. Of course, I would beat a dead horse if I was to continue on this issue. Waverly Placa will definitely assist in removing some of the frustration by becoming an easy to identify development in that area. Like you said, it is a good stepping stone for Cary and I am very optimistic that developers will try to surpass Waverly Place by creating even better projects in the future. It's like the New North Hills. John Kane and his group have recognized that some things can be done better and his North Hills East vision is the proof - assuming it will happen as planned, without any scaling down.

Time to share some of the renderings found in the developer's website.

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_sketch.gif

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite1.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite2.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite3.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite4.bmp

Does anybody know the heights on this project. I know there was some concern from residents nearby but because of it being in a pit the height will not be truly reflected from street level which is higher.

Finally, Cary can get a little bit of height and good urban development. A city of over a 150, 000 and no memorable is kinda sad. I know more good development like this on the way. Damn, I just wish the Triangle had some rail transit, but I know its coming.

Finally, Cary can get a little bit of height and good urban development. A city of over a 150, 000 and no memorable structures or skyline is kinda sad. I know more good development like this on the way. Damn, I just wish the Triangle had some rail transit to complement these developments, but I know its coming.

I think Cary is almost 120,000.

Cary's status as a suburb and a bedroom community of Raleigh doesn't leave much hope for a skyline, regardless of the population. The office park mentality is still very strong. Maybe in 20 years things will change. There are other aspects that Cary handles pretty well and I think that the town's suburban nature will slowly shift to a more urban one... or something along the lines of new urbanism. Cary's downtown area is actually pretty cute and organic, but it needs a few infills - preferably residential buildings above 5 stories - to create a denser, urban core. With Cary, it is more like wait and see.

One area where I see massive potential for urban (re)developments is the portion of Kildaire Farm Rd between Cary Pkwy and Cornwall Rd. It may take many years before that section changes a little, but I always thought there is potential to create urbanity along that strip.

Here is an update on DT cary, since Raleigh NC mentioned it.

http://www.carynews.com/news/cary/story/6257.html

I liked this part:
The town also envisions its downtown to continue to grow in population. Under current plans, the town center could eventually have up to 2,300 more homes, 5,700 more people and 3 million more square feet of nonresidential space, according to town documents.

Cary Updates
Nothing new, but I want to share a very nice article on the downtown improvements: Downtown Cary's Streetscape Project Blends Function With Art (http://wakeliving.com/aroundtown.asp). Personally, I strongly recommednd that you pick up a free copy of Wake Living (http://wakeliving.com) magazine - sister publication of Fifteen 501 (http://fifteen501.com) - and enjoy the entire article and more photos without having to be online.

Durham Updates
This is a fantastic article on DT Durham, titled Urban Renewal Rolls With Historic Preservation (http://fifteen501.com/aroundtown.asp). As a sister publication of Wake Living magazine, this is also free and contains much of the same content. However, you will enjoy the area-specific articles, which make the two publications different. In this case, you will definitely be happy to get some good news from the Bull City, or the City of Medicine. Both links to the stories will last only 3 months, so go ahead and read the online versions, unless you want to grub a hard copy.

Chapel Hill
I don't know where you stand in the Carolina North debate - I have no opinion, myself - but here is an update: Carolina North to be part relocation (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/584545.html). I know that everybody in Chapel Hill has an opinion and I cannot see all the pro's and con's, but the original plan sounded like a good plan. What I know for sure is that residents are debating the density and the traffic, which is laughable, to me. Again, I have no opinion to offer, but if you are following the debate the above link should be a nice little update.

Durham
One more great opportunity for redevelopment: Developer buying six acres near DBAP (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/584565.html). I truly like the infill development patterns that Durham has demonstrated in the last few years. We all like to see a few towers in DT Durham, but there is nothing wrong with starting small. Not that these developments are small, but shorter structures tend to be overlooked. I find it funny how the staff writer calls a nearby 5-story building "tower" :rofl:
Across Mangum Street from the dealership site, the city is building a performing arts center and Capitol Broadcasting is building another office tower, Diamond View II.
Good news for Durham!!!

Durham
Always to hear good news coming from Durham: Dealerships on coveted land (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/590494.html). The part that I liked the most was the following:
Downtown planners predict that within five years, the dealerships will be secured by developers with plans to build office towers, condominiums, restaurants and bars.Naturally, this is hard to achieve without additional boost, but it is doable and not just a long-term vision. Somehow, Durham has attracted some local developers who are committed to the city, even though we have yet to see towers changing the skyline. Hopefully, whoever develops that section of downtown will not think small.

Research Triangle Park
Triangle Business Journal posted a couple of articles about RTP and I suggest you follow the story because it is going to be VERY interesting.

Running out of land, RTP mulls options (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story2.html)
Demolition looms for 'The Fortress' (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story6.html)
The implication is that as RTP runs out of space, other solutions will be researched. We can all make suggestions, but two things I see as possibly good solutions: 1) Create a denser and taller RTP. Can't do high-rises because of the proximity to RDU Airport, but still, they can build some taller mid-rises. 2) Use DT Durham and DT Raleigh for satellite "campuses". Both downtowns can allocate some space to be used, provided they don't allow any office park type of developments. Fidelity Investments comes to mind as they wish to expand way beyond the promised/projected numbers. TTA's regional rail may be used to connect RTP with the two downtowns, very easily.

What do you guys think?

TTA Regional Rail
Nothing much, just a small update on this vision: TTA, for now, plans to pay $15M to keep rights to rail (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story13.html). Nice to know that TTA is still planning on keeping the regional rail proposal alive. Now, if they can find ways to engage the entire region into providing some support it will be great.

Research Triangle Park
Triangle Business Journal posted a couple of articles about RTP and I suggest you follow the story because it is going to be VERY interesting.

Running out of land, RTP mulls options (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story2.html)
Demolition looms for 'The Fortress' (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story6.html)
The implication is that as RTP runs out of space, other solutions will be researched. We can all make suggestions, but two things I see as possibly good solutions: 1) Create a denser and taller RTP. Can't do high-rises because of the proximity to RDU Airport, but still, they can build some taller mid-rises. 2) Use DT Durham and DT Raleigh for satellite "campuses". Both downtowns can allocate some space to be used, provided they don't allow any office park type of developments. Fidelity Investments comes to mind as they wish to expand way beyond the promised/projected numbers. TTA's regional rail may be used to connect RTP with the two downtowns, very easily.

What do you guys think?

TTA Regional Rail
Nothing much, just a small update on this vision: TTA, for now, plans to pay $15M to keep rights to rail (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/18/story13.html). Nice to know that TTA is still planning on keeping the regional rail proposal alive. Now, if they can find ways to engage the entire region into providing some support it will be great.

I agree wholeheartedly, get some height AND density in RTP, then swing the TTA through.

Just wanted fill everyone end on my side of the county!!! They have started construction on Main street Square (http://www.mainstsquare.com/)right ascross form the wal-wart:bash:. They are building across the street. They are also developing southpark village (http://www.yorkproperties.com/commercial-real-estate/details.asp?id=69)across for wal-wart:bash: . We are also in the process of getting a new residential development call 12oaks by wakefield (http://www.visit12oaks.com/)development. it looks pretty cool. Thats all for now:nuts:

The Main Street Square component is not bad, considering it is situated between Hwy 55 and a bunch of sprawling neighborhoods. I like the fact that they have left a little room for future connectivity with other developments, where possible The future site of WalMart carried a lot of potential, but from what I see it will be another mess. As for the 12 Oaks, I expected better from Wakefield development. They could, and should have planned on something along the same lines with Bedford and Renaissance Park. Maybe in the future homesites area. It's good to see Holly Springs getting attention, though.

Thanks for the update, ncsugrad204. I know that there is a lot going on in your area and it's nice to see someone keeping us up-to-date. Apex is also getting some nice projects, so feel free to tell us more about the projects going there.

TTA Regional Rail
We can say that some good steps were taken, concerning TTA's regional rail project. Check out this article (http://www.wral.com/traffic/story/1509905/) and watch the video for more information. Hey, as long as we are willing to approach this project from the right angle, try to solve the right problems and get everyone involved, we have a chance to make it happen.

From the Eastern Wake News:


Town makes mass transit a priority

By Denise Sherman, Staff Writer
KNIGHTDALE — The town has signed on to the goal of establishing mass transit including a bus route and park and ride facility.

Town council members unanimously passed a resolution in support of the Special Transit Advisory Commission’s regional transit vision plan.

STAC, a Triangle-wide organization, was set up to fill the void left when federal funding for the Triangle’s regional rail system fell through, said planning director Mike Frangos, who made the council-requested presentation to the body.

In passing the resolution, the council also prioritized top mass transit needs.

They include a bus route with stops at the Shoppes at Midway Plantation, Lowe’s Home Improvement and Eastpoint Commercial Park.

Another top priority is a park and ride facility for the intersection of I-540 and Knightdale Boulevard near the proposed Midtown Commons Shopping Center.

This would allow commuters to park their vehicles and transfer to the bus system or carpool with other commuters.

The final goal is a commuter rail line that would link Wilson with downtown Raleigh with at least one rail station in Knightdale

“Transit is a need,” said Frangos. “Transportation can not continue auto dependent through this century. There needs to be additional transportation alternatives.”

He noted that Knighdale’s comprehensive plan and unified development ordinance encourages transit oriented development and area transit group.

Councilman Russell Killen asked if the bus stops could be made at Rex Healthcare and Duke Health care.

He said it would be a “real benefit” to some residents.

Councilman Jeff Eddins asked if it was just “another committee” and asked where the funding would come from.

Frangos said that was always a difficulty, but added: “Part of the only way to address it is through debate and interaction."

I like the initiatives Mike Frangos and his colleagues are taking :okay: Sometime ago he presented a regional rail proposal for the Eastern side of the Triangle that was inexpensive and forward, but it appears those ideas didn't come to fruition. Anyway, great to see town leaders discussing connectivity with two of the three major hospitals in Raleigh. This is a good start and I hope to see more such initiatives.

Chapel Hill
Finally, we have the approval of the Lot 5 project. After the typical NIMBY crowd tried to reduce this nice proposal into a tiny low-rise - some morons even brought Chicago and skyscrapers in their arguments - Chapel Hill's town council gave the green light. Today's N&O had an article titled Downtown condo complex progresses (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/620977.html), where you can read a little more. For those not familiar with this project, here is a rendering:

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/lot-5-rendering.jpg

This project will be developed by Ram Real Estate and will consist of 3 Buildings:

9 Story (8 levels of condominiums over retail)
5 Story (4 levels of condominiums over retail)
4 Story (3 levels of condominiums over retail)

I like the initiatives Mike Frangos and his colleagues are taking :okay: Sometime ago he presented a regional rail proposal for the Eastern side of the Triangle that was inexpensive and forward, but it appears those ideas didn't come to fruition. Anyway, great to see town leaders discussing connectivity with two of the three major hospitals in Raleigh. This is a good start and I hope to see more such initiatives.

Chapel Hill
Finally, we have the approval of the Lot 5 project. After the typical NIMBY crowd tried to reduce this nice proposal into a tiny low-rise - some morons even brought Chicago and skyscrapers in their arguments - Chapel Hill's town council gave the green light. Today's N&O had an article titled Downtown condo complex progresses (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/620977.html), where you can read a little more. For those not familiar with this project, here is a rendering:

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/lot-5-rendering.jpg

This project will be developed by Ram Real Estate and will consist of 3 Buildings:

9 Story (8 levels of condominiums over retail)
5 Story (4 levels of condominiums over retail)
4 Story (3 levels of condominiums over retail)


This is very progressive for Chapel Hill, but in any event I like it. Wish we had this when I was there in school back in the early 90's, eventhough I wouldn't have been able to afford to live there at the time.

Let me tell you, this project didn't exactly go without strong opposition. To hear people warning that Chapel Hill will become like Chicago, with its skyscrapers, did not bring laughter to me, but tears. It is a shame that so many NIMBY's live around there :( Chapel Hill has a few nice urban infills in the pipeline and I expect to see even more if Lot 5 becomes successful. Also, there are 2-3 different versions of this project out there, but the rendering shows the final one, to the best of my knowledge. On the same block, there is another project - called Wallace Parking Deck - which will be equally impressive, although a bit shorter.

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/Wallace-Deck_watercolor.jpg

Franklin Str is actually behind Wallace parking Deck - this project will cover part of the block and the residents will not have clear view of Franklin Str.

^^This world is so nuckin' futs: http://www.jibjab.com/originals/nuckin_futs :lol:

^^This world is so nuckin' futs: http://www.jibjab.com/originals/nuckin_futs :lol:

^^I agree with you on that one...

To hear people warning that Chapel Hill will become like Chicago, with its skyscrapers

That sounds like the same shmuck that indicated to me that "they are trying to turn Raleigh into NYC." I guess that leaves Durham as Los Angeles?

^^ :rofl:
So freakin' true!!! Some people have totally misplaced their minds. If a few high-rises can turn Raleigh into NYC, then we have to double the efforts and get some more. Soon we'll kick NYC to the second place :lol:

g-man, thanks for the link, it was really funny :okay:

Let me tell you, this project didn't exactly go without strong opposition. To hear people warning that Chapel Hill will become like Chicago, with its skyscrapers, did not bring laughter to me, but tears. It is a shame that so many NIMBY's live around there :( Chapel Hill has a few nice urban infills in the pipeline and I expect to see even more if Lot 5 becomes successful. Also, there are 2-3 different versions of this project out there, but the rendering shows the final one, to the best of my knowledge. On the same block, there is another project - called Wallace Parking Deck - which will be equally impressive, although a bit shorter.

http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/portfolio/Wallace-Deck_watercolor.jpg

Franklin Str is actually behind Wallace parking Deck - this project will cover part of the block and the residents will not have clear view of Franklin Str.

It's my understanding that the Wallace Parking Deck development is either canceled or permanently on hold. Because it is a city sponsored project funding was a big issue.

The Lot 5 development ended up being more expensive than originally thought, and I think the Wallace project got the shaft because of increased expense.

I didn't know that... Thanks for the update. I will try to find out more on this project because I thought it is a great proposal. If they keep delaying projects, the costs will eventually become prohibitive.

Thought I would revive the thread, with this comment. Last night the Town of Cary agnoized over approving a dense development. In the imisdt of the council discussing the project , one of the councilman who is shallow in my opinion says "Cary is having an identity crisis". Apparently the mixed use ordinance is bringing to the pipeline more density than they wanted for the street corners.

The story
http://wral.com/news/local/story/1639600/

The video
http://wral.com/news/local/video/1640356/

I wanted to post this story, but sort of hesitated because I didn't have all the facts. By that, I mean the site plan and other details. As for the residents who fanatically opposed it, SHAME ON THEM!!! It it THEIR presence that ruined that area, a long time ago. They seem to forget that when they moved in large numbers to Cary they created high demand for housing and other amenities. Does anyone of them recall what was there before their houses were built? Now they are bitching about growth coming to the area :ohno:

On the other hand, Crosland hasn't exactly surprised me pleasantly with the bulk of their projects - I like 712 Tucker, though. At best, they are acceptable. They take a semi-urban approach and I do not see that as great step forward, particularly when it has been done already, without adding value to the city - North Hills is an exception because it improved significantly the previous land use. Complaining about additional traffic in Cary is idiotic, particularly when the town allows so much sprawl. As for the "identity crisis" that council member spoke of, he might think that Cary will compete with Raleigh and Durham for status. Cary is a wonderful place to live, and the continuous improvements and added amenities will make the town even better. Its identity is clear: it is Raleigh's best suburb and there is no shame to admit it. Just my humble opinion.

One thing that was suggested was to revise the mixed use plan because it is bringing too much density to the area. That is not what they wanted apparently. We will see in 2 months what the outcome is.

I did watch a little of it yesterday and found the new council member, Erv Portman, very smart when it comes to growth. He voted against the project. Great project, wrong place for it, he said. The problem with Cary is the patchwork development they have put together. SO you try to bring density to area that is lower density. It doesn't look right. West of 55 provides great opportunity to put a lot of density on street corners because it is raw land. Create your connectivity and greenways, but east of 55 it will face a lot of opposition. JMO.

What kind of density were they talking about? Did they provide the number of residential units they envision?

Apex
DT Apex is about to add a significant number of residents, along with more retail and businesses: Apex Leaders Tout Plans for New Development (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1643828/). From what I've seen so far, this project looks really good, but I can't wait for more information to become available, particularly renderings.

One idea gaining hold among park leaders is to look for a way to maximize usage of the acreage in the park, where some companies own significantly more land than they really need for their operations. For example, Biogen Idec owns 180 acres, but the drug manufacturer uses only about 20 acres.

What a novel idea that is. And it took them how many, 50 years to come up with it? Incredible. Perhaps the best part of it is that RTP itself is totally responsible for the poor land use, and now they're out of land.

I am 100% with you, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment. Those who allowed this mess never thought we would go back to where we were before sprawl became the norm. In fact, RTP's [suburban] nature used to be its biggest strength, but things have changed dramatically since RTP was born. I am glad they finally realized the mess they got into, but I have little hope for anything truly better, let alone urban.

Well it could be possible for some of these companies to sell some the of land. Particulary now that it is going for $300K an acre. I am sure they will also revise how the buildings are built. Up instead of out. Maybe there will be density requirements.

Well it could be possible for some of these companies to sell some the of land. Particulary now that it is going for $300K an acre. I am sure they will also revise how the buildings are built. Up instead of out. Maybe there will be density requirements.

A dense skyscraper laden RTP would be real nice. They definitely should begin to go dense and upward. Hopefully, that want discourage or make established companies uncomfortable having more companies nearby. The real thing missing is of course TTA rail. Though, the next questionto ask for RTP is if they desire or should have residential and retail in the Park.

Well it could be possible for some of these companies to sell some the of land. Particulary now that it is going for $300K an acre. I am sure they will also revise how the buildings are built. Up instead of out. Maybe there will be density requirements.

A dense skyscraper laden RTP would be real nice. They definitely should begin to go dense and upward. Hopefully, that want discourage or make established companies uncomfortable having more companies nearby. The real thing missing is of course TTA rail. Though, the next questionto ask for RTP is if they desire or should have residential and retail in the Park.

There is already movement to that direction. Davis Park is merely the beginning of adding residential and retail, but it will take a long time before we see the results. The TTA rail is still an option, assuming this time TTA leaders will do things right. As for skyscrapers in RTP, the proximity to RDU Airport would make it impossible. Maybe some taller mid-rises would be a more viable solution.

I would think 10-20 story bldgs would be allowable by the FAA. Scaling down as it gets closer to RDU.

Most of the Park is pretty far from normal air traffic routes.

What I'd like to see is an effort by the cities of Raleigh and Durham try to transition successful companies from RTP to their Downtowns as they mature.

I would love the idea of at least a few RTP-based companies moving to DT Durham, or DT Raleigh. We know as a fact that there are several entities that have nothing to do with research - at least at a local level - yet they want to be in, or near RTP. At least, that was the case last time I checked the names of RTP tenants and the nature of their work.

One big problem is that these companies want to save money on rent. I believe rent DT would be far more expensive than in RTP. ALso alot of corporations like the green space that RTP offers. They have trails and paths that the employees can use.

You are correct. Unfortunately, most of those companies do not need the exposure and image that only a downtown area can offer, therefore they have to take care of their bottom line first. This is a reality that we have to accept. Maybe 10 years down the road DT Raleigh and DT Durham would be more attractive, even to smaller companies that would normally try to save every penny.

A second Westin Hotel for the triangle:

http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/656240.

I think you meant this: Tri Properties to build HQ for Quintiles (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/656240.html) :) The 10-story mid-rise also looks very nice in the rendering below:

http://media.newsobserver.com/smedia/2007/08/01/11/440-Imperial_Tower_-_new_rendering_from_I-40.embedded.prod_affiliate.3.jpg

I remember hearing about this building years ago, when I used to work in that area, but they kept going back and forth. In brief, "The project, Imperial Plaza, is to include a 10-story, 252,000-square-foot office building and a 207-room, eight-story Westin Hotel off Interstate 40 at Page Road." Although that area is nothing but an office park, the consolidation of operations into one building is a positive move by Quintiles. Of course, The Westin Hotel is a hefty bonus :okay:

We know how important the bottom line is, but for crying out loud, why is Duke so anxious to "sprawl"? There was an article in today's N&O, titled RTP beckons Duke (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/661361.html), which puzzled me a little. Duke University is without a doubt a major contributor to Durham, but they can do so much better. Instead of thinking big and supporting downtown more, they consider locations closer to RTP :bash: Can't they see that DT Durham is slowly reinventing itself and will eventually become one of the Triangle's true "centers" of activity? In a way, it is already there, but there is a lot of work to be done before everyone recognizes that. I wish Duke would take a more supportive position towards downtown and stop looking into suburban offices and office parks for solutions.

Sorry for the rant, but I get upset when I read this kind of stories. I applaud Durham's focus on downtown and I think that all major entities should get together and help, even more.

Hey they have three years to see the light. I am hoping that Duke Realty will build a 30 story 'scraper for Duke Health so they can consolidate. That will open up some much needed office space.

A 30-story tower? That would have been lovely!!!

The old DBAP could be back in play.

I am very excited over this proposal brought to the Durham City Council by Minor League Baseball. If it comes to pass, baseball could become pretty big economic driver around here with the USA baseball training facility in Cary and the Minor League Training Facilty in Durham. All we would need is a staduim in DT Raleigh somewhere for Major League baseball... I know wishful thinking.

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1688158/

Definitely positive news for Durham :okay: I am not a baseball fan, but I wouldn't say no to a baseball stadium in or near DT Raleigh if a professional team would select Raleigh. I would love to see a big soccer stadium in the future - assuming the Railhawks do well - or a new hockey arena for the Canes :)

i am just thinking of the potential exposure for the Triangle with Minor League baseball. Cooperstown has the Major League Hall of Fame, but Durham could house a similar museum for Minor League Baseball. It provides just one more stop on your tour of the Triangle. Plus I know that there is the Minor League (AAA) All Star game on national TV and the Championship as well so that would bring TV exposure for us as well. It seems that we are doing a really good job at finding our niche in the sports industry for the amateur and minor league sports of America along with ACC Basketball, which is our bread and butter. I hope we can continue to recruit more national organizations to bring their HQs here.

Well said!!! Exposure means a lot to the Triangle and I can see the potential, too. Let's cross our fingers.

A very overwhelming project is in the start up phases for Apex. 1000 acre development, called the Trinity, to mimic RTP but with 20 story buildings, retail, and 4000 houses. This just may be the new business park of the Triangle.

http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/665971-p2.html

TBJ posted a very comprehensive of the economic and diverse population that the Triangle is becoming and by 2012 it will be even more impressive

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle

And click on the cover page story: Triangle 2012

Yes, this is a lot of information about the Triangle and I am glad someone took the time to do it. Growth is something we may be proud of, but there are pitfalls and we need to know how to work around future obstacles. Knowing the existing patterns of growth would help us make better decisions... I hope.

There is more to the article but I can't view it. Could someone post it?

^^
Check this out: Area to become bigger, older, richer (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/08/13/story2.html?t=printable&b=1186977600^1504646).

^^
Check this out: Area to become bigger, older, richer (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/08/13/story2.html?t=printable&b=1186977600^1504646).

I appreciate that.

I hate quoting an entire article - my second one today - but this is more like a short report than an extensive article:
Quintiles breaks ground on Durham headquarters (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/709140.html)
By Jack Hagel

Durham — Quintiles Transnational and Durham developer Tri Properties broke ground today on Quintiles Plaza, the 252,000 square-foot future headquarters for the drug research company.

The project will include a 207-room Westin hotel, which is expected to be completed by 2009.

“This project is the crown jewel of Imperial Center,” the Durham business park, said Gregg Sanchez, the president of Tri Properties. Quintiles first leased space at the park in 1990.

State and local officials offered Quintiles as much as $25 million in tax breaks and other economic incentives to help pay for the project. In exchange, Quintiles said in November it would add about 1,000 jobs in Durham.

The company, started 25 years ago by CEO Dennis Gillings, has about 1,300 employees in offices scattered throughout Durham and 19,000 worldwide. The company conducts clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies and provides other services such as drug research.

“The company chose this site because of its proximity to the airport and visibility from Interstate 40,” Gillings said.
Glad to see that the Triangle is finally getting its first Westin Hotel. Hopefully, Soleil Center's Westin will also be built... some day!!!

A major project was announced for Wake Forest: Wake farm to get Meadowmont touch (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/10/08/story1.html?b=1191816000^1530913&t=printable). Whether I should cheer, or cry over the farmland, it is not important at this point. I truly hope, though, that they do not make the mistake to re-create Meadowmont's failures, which in my opinion are the low visibility from the main road and the badly executed separation of the village center from the apartments. Otherwise, it should be a good idea.

Construction for the Holding Village, which will be a mixed-use community (1300 residential units, a 40000sf commercial center and 12 miles of sidewalks and walking paths), is scheduled to begin in a few months. It is also encouraging that this project will be just a few blocks away from DT Wake Forest, which is a lovely place, IMHO, although it needs some residential projects to flourish.

^^Clemson is better than Wake Forest. :rant: :D

Not that Wake Forest, dude. Wake Forest is a town outside Raleigh. Wake Forest University is in Winston-Salem :bash:

^^
Check this out: Area to become bigger, older, richer (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/08/13/story2.html?t=printable&b=1186977600^1504646).

That is a nice article. The Triangle and cities like Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Greensboro, and Wilmington are getting a lot of people moving in. These cities are going to have to get the funding of roads and transportation needs change by our law makers in Raleigh or we will die on the vine. Growth is great if you inter-structure keeps up.

Charlotte has taken over some of the state roads because the state did not have money to keep them up. Ex. NC 51 and South Blvd. (Hwy NC 521)

The Triangle traffic I think is worse than the traffic in Charlotte, that’s what it seems to me when I am over there.

Certain roads in the Triangle are worse than other when it comes to traffic. I think that traffic headaches are pretty much the same in both Charlotte and the Triangle, though.

Does anyone know of any new developments coming in that have not been announced in the paper?

540 could be de-congested by making the 40 offramp 2 lanes. Look at the ramps for Davis Dr. then check the one for 40. Its a monster bottleneck.

Does anyone know of any new developments coming in that have not been announced in the paper?

You're not hogging it enough, so you need more to make us feel worse? :(

Certain projects in Apex and Rollesville will be big enough, unless something slows down the growth. The one in Apex (Trinity) will be huge!!! I gotta find the links...

Raleigh-NC, you can give off this thread now. You've been viewing it for over 15 minutes. :lol:

Here are a couple of articles:

Apex candidates stick to slow-growth mantra. (http://www.newsobserver.com/630/story/742207.html)
Little Fuquay-Varina growing like weed. (http://www.newsobserver.com/630/story/743418.html)

Now let's begin having fun with the idiots in the town council:
As Election Day nears, the Wake County town of 30,000 worries that development will drown out its quiet charm. In the next decade, those woods might be replaced by Trinity, Apex's largest-ever project that could bring 4,000 homes.
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Still, Gossage notes that the project's proposal calls for 20-story buildings in southern Apex and thousands of homes, which prompted him to vote "No" on preliminary plans.

"It's too much," he said. "I really think we need to keep a healthy but moderate approach to growth."
So, getting rid of a few 20-story buildings would make things right :bash: If this project gets built in phases, which is most definitely the case, it is the market that should dictate the pace, not the town's official. Their job is to manage the growth [responsibly], not to discourage it. Instead of being concerned about the number of homes Apex will add, town officials should make sure that new neighborhoods are build in an urban fashion and well integrated with the rest of the town.

As for Fuquay-Varina's growth, if managed well it can make this place a very desirable community for residents and businesses, alike. During my last visit I was amazed at the growth, but I am not very pleased with the suburban type of developments that pop up over there. So, better management is needed, IMHO. The potential is there, and this is the right time for Fuquay-Varina to decide.

^^I don't know. Something about 20-story buildings out in the middle of nowhere seems kind of odd.

^^I don't know. Something about 20-story buildings out in the middle of nowhere seems kind of odd.


Atleast it will give some sort of identity to affected areas. too much of the triangle looks the same.

Atleast it will give some sort of identity to affected areas. too much of the triangle looks the same.

You know there is something seriously wrong if Apex can get skyscrapers and G-ville can't. :nuts:

^^I don't know. Something about 20-story buildings out in the middle of nowhere seems kind of odd.
Apex is not exactly the "middle of nowhere". It has a cute little downtown area, it is a desirable place to live and there are already large communities coming... with some urban elements in them. As for the 20-story buildings: a) I do not believe they are talking about a large cluster. My guess is they plan on 2-3 high-rises up to 20 stories tall. b) I would not really call 20-story buildings skyscrapers. For me, a building has to be at least 350ft tall before I think of calling it a skyscraper. Even then, a lot of people would laugh. c) Since Apex' downtown area is very historic - for the size of the town - I cannot see a better place to built taller buildings than the site of the proposed Trinity project. If anybody was to propose a 20-story building in DT Apex, they would shoot him. d) Nothing specific has been proposed yet. Looks like Apex is about to start hogging it all from Greenville :lol:

Sounds like the interest for high-speed rail increases: Speedy trains foreseen in N.C. (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/746184.html). Here is the summary:
WHAT: A proposed high-speed passenger rail corridor with train speeds averaging 85-90 mph and up to 110 mph.

WHERE: Planned routes from Washington, D.C., through Richmond, Va., and Raleigh to Charlotte. Extensions to Hampton Roads, Va.; from Charlotte through Spartanburg and Greenville, S.C., to Atlanta, Macon, Ga., and Jacksonville, Fla.; from Raleigh through Columbia, S.C., and Savannah, Ga., to Jacksonville Fla.; and from Atlanta to Birmingham, Ala. The goal is to extend service from the existing high-speed rail in the Northeast to the Southeast.

WHEN: Tentative opening, 2015.

HOW MUCH: About $3.5 billion for a corridor connecting Raleigh to Washington and Charlotte.

^^Hey, they said Greenville. :banana: :lol: Hey, $3.5 billion is only like 2% of the costs of that war we are winning. ;)

The high speed rail line sounds like a great idea. My only concern is that with the southern cities sprawled out nature, how will people get around once they step off the train? I guess rental cars will have to be available but then that is still putting people onto the roads in cars. Atleast it keeps them off the highways. I'm kind of excited about this one.

The high speed rail line sounds like a great idea. My only concern is that with the southern cities sprawled out nature, how will people get around once they step off the train? I guess rental cars will have to be available but then that is still putting people onto the roads in cars. Atleast it keeps them off the highways. I'm kind of excited about this one.I love your blog, keep up the good work.:)

:cheers1: Thanks a lot. I enjoy doing it and very much appreciate the kind words :cheers1:

It would help the people in Greenville come to a big city with building over 10 stories.

:cheers1: Thanks a lot. I enjoy doing it and very much appreciate the kind words :cheers1:
Congratulations on your website from me, too :) Very good job, indeed!!!

It would help the people in Greenville come to a big city with building over 10 stories.

Which one in which state? :lol:

North and South Carolina.
Jokes a side, you should be proud of Greenville, it is a nice clean looking city. If I was going to move to SC, Greenville would be first on the list.

Not much to report, but here is a little positive "report":

Kudos (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/818250.html)

Raleigh-Durham International Airport's 2nd Edition Book Sellers won third place for Best New Retail Concept in the Airports Council International, North America's Richard A. Griesbach Excellence in Airport Concessions Contest.

speeds averaging 85-90 mph and up to 110 mph.

This is what they are doing wrong. Those numbers should be twice as high if you want to really replace highway lanes.

I love driving fast!!! Bring me some more highway lanes :lol:

^^:rant:<------------I love this emotion. What about me? :D

Finally some good news for DT Durham: Duke move gives downtown Durham a lift (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/904451.html) :banana::banana: Bringing Durham Centre up to 90% occupancy was critical for moving forward with more space. DT Durham needed something like this, and I am sure Duke University can do a lot more for downtown!!!

Terminal C/2 getting new businesses once it opens up.

http://wral.com/business/story/2386200/

About 40 businesses will be located in the new terminal, creating a mall-like atmosphere. Hamlin said a few national chains will be mixed with some local names that most people will recognize.
Carolina Ale House and 42nd Street Oyster Bar are two local restaurants that will have operations in the terminal.

"RDU wanted a taste of local flavor. They came to us, and we were excited to partner with them," said Mindy Amerson, spokeswoman for Carolina Ale House. "We're excited about the growth in the Triangle (and) just part of that exposure to all the new markets."

Other businesses lined up for the new terminal:

Restaurants

* Brookwood Farms
* Jason's Deli
* Moe's Southwest Grill
* McDonald's
* Brueggers Bagels
* KFC
* A&W
* Starbucks


Other Retail

* 2nd Edition Booksellers
* A Southern Season
* Borders Books
* Life is Good/Kids Works
* Anders Natural Soap
* Drugs & More
* Brooks Brothers
* PGA Tour Shop
* University News & Sports
* Taxco Sterling

Can't wait for Terminal C to get finished. I was at RDU last Sunday and it looks like there is a lot of progress in the exterior. The stores will be a nice addition, too, particularly Starbucks and Borders :)

A little good news about Durham:
Education Management Corp. plans arts college in Durham (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/02/18/story1.html)
Triangle Business Journal - by Amanda Jones Hoyle

DURHAM - Hundreds of culinary arts, interior design and graphics art students could be milling around the American Tobacco Historic District in downtown Durham later this year.

The Art Institutes, a national network of education centers that offer associate's and bachelor's degrees in the creative and applied arts, has applied to open a campus at the renovated American Tobacco warehouse complex. Negotiations are under way to lease 40,000 square feet in the Fowler Building formerly occupied by Compuware.

The Art Institute of Charlotte and its parent company, Education Management Corp. of Pittsburgh, Pa., must gain permission from the University of North Carolina System to open what would be called the Art Institute of Raleigh-Durham.

The school would offer degree programs in culinary arts, fashion marketing, graphic design, interactive media and interior design and would operate as a branch of the Art Institute of Charlotte under its president, Brad Janis.

"Art Institute of Raleigh-Durham". Uh oh. The Durhamites will surely freak out over that one. Anything that includes Raleigh (much less Raleigh-Durham) will have them shouting to the heavens. Maybe Art Institute of the Triangle?

That said--great news!

I think that aside a few individuals, this won't be an issue for Durhamites... We have gone past beyond that as a region. Durhamites will be ecstatic to have such an institute in their city, and I am happy for them, too :)

Another interesting article on DT Durham: Greenfire project nears green light (http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/947993.html).

Got some more Greenfire stuff: Change Could Be on the Horizon for the Bull City (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2452427/). There is a low-resolution rendering, which is incomplete, but better than nothing:

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/02/18/2452506/greenfireproject-537x408.jpg

The entire plan seems to be a very exciting effort, and a bold vision, too. Let's hope that things will move along smoothly. Greenfire seems to be playing the role that many of us wished Duke University played, years ago. Durham's skyline will definitely change, forever!!! Now, if we can get the twin tower of Durham Centre - only taller - it would be lovely :)

Some news from my neck of the woods.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/968362.html

Excellent news!!! Although I am not sure I like this, I applaud Carrboro for at least trying to create a vision: "The board has a vision of a downtown where people live, work and play, with more mixed-use buildings of no more than five stories." Carrboro has great potential to become an urban town, regardless of its small town/suburban appearance, particularly outside its downtown area. I am not sure limiting a building to 5 stories will encourage an urban, let alone creating a livable environment, but it's better than nothing. If the locals feel good about it, then it is a win-win situation.

Greenfire Development
I don't expect Greenfire Development's proposal to go without opposition, but at the same time I am amazed at the negative approach some people want to take: Caution urged on Durham project (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/973411.html). Has any other developer proposed anything better, not taking in consideration some pies in the sky? I think that Durham has a great opportunity to see its downtown area truly revived, and even more important, to connect the dots (Brightleaf Square, West Village, CBD and ATC; particularly the last two). I am not suggesting rolling the red carpet and offer everything Durham has, but there is no need to be negative with comments such as:
"Sometimes I think in Durham we have such low self-esteem that when somebody asks us to dance, we fall all over ourselves and say, 'Of course I want to dance!' " said Julia Borbeley-Brown, who has worked downtown since 1981, "instead of saying, 'Maybe I want to dance with you, but maybe I ought to think about it a little bit.'"Or comments like this:
"I just wondered whether there was some compelling financial reason to move ahead so quickly after working on it in more or less in secrecy for two years," said Kate Dobbs Ariail, a downtown resident.There is of course a sticky issue, which reminds us of the NHE TIF request, by John Kane: For a $283 million investment, the developer is asking the city to spend $28.3 million. In this case, however, DT Durham stands to benefit significantly, plus it will have the opportunity to add a significant number of residents within its proper. Very compelling, IMHO, but nevertheless this is a huge revitalization effort by a single developer.

Durham Performing Arts Center
WRAL-5 posted the following report on the new Durham Performing Arts Center:
Durham Performing Arts Center Announces Inaugural Lineup (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2503066/)

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/02/28/2503098/dpac-0605_03-302x227.jpg

The Durham Performing Arts Center will open in just under a year with a full slate of Broadway shows. On the schedule for spring 2009 are Rent, Fiddler on the Roof, Legally Blonde, The Color Purple and Wicked.

The Nederlander Producing Company and Professional Facilities Management announced the first run of shows for the new center Thursday at the meeting of the Durham Chamber of Commerce.

The center is a planned multi-use performance space that will seat up to 2,800.

^^
I tend to agree with your sentiments on this one. Greenfire has proposed some beautiful (and needed) projects in the heart of DT Durham. I think the opposition has less to do with the project itself, and more to do with whether Greenfire has the ability to pull this off (I happen to believe they will). They have acquired a lot of property in downtown, but whether they are going to be able to make these projects materialize is of some concern. And if one project fails--is there a trickle down effect? Then there's the lack of public input (or possibility of giving input) to the projects. Durham really needs a great vision, though. I think Greenfire is a risk worth taking.

Definitely, there is a lot at risk. If I was a city council member I would question the developer's ability to deliver. So far, we haven't seen anything major from Greenfire Development, but I surely hope they will have the ability to move forward. Still, I am anxious to see some enthusiasm in Durham, and not only when it comes to redeveloping old warehouses. Hopefully, the City of Durham will bring more developers on board. But as you said, a vision is needed to be in place. Between renovations, historic preservation efforts and new projects (high-rises, preferably) DT Durham is in a very unique position to not only boost its skyline, but add significant workforce and residents to its proper. The fact that one developer believes in big things should ignite more enthusiasm.

Hopefully, Durham will not see another pie in the sky, like the two 27-story residential towers and the 40-story condo building that were "proposed" in the past.

I don't recall a 40 story building...when was this?

:dunno: Is this the right thread for this: http://oxblue.com/pro/open/?webPath=east54 (East 54 mixed-use development webcam)

^^
Yes, it is... Many thanks for the link :okay:

NCMike1981, there was such a proposal back in the late 90's and the city - or someone - had released one of those cartoon maps, showing different important locations. That map was showing a 40-42 story tower near the Durham Centre, but it turned out to be a pie in the sky :(

^^No problem. Looks like a nice quality development for the area.

Well, depends how you look at it. I have been driving along that road for years, every time I visit a good friend who lives nearby, and I can say without hesitation that I am not ecstatic with this project. The placement of the buildings is too suburban for my taste. Creating a "main street" invisible to those driving along the actual main street is simply ridiculous, in my book. But to each his own. I am sure there are people who will stick with the positive sides of this development. Here are a few links with some useful information on this project:

Homepage (http://www.east54.com/index.php)
Hunter & Associates (http://www.hunterandassoc.com/property.aspx?pt=l&propID=120)
Tri Properties (http://www.triprop.com/currentprojects.htm)


And some photos to go with the links:

http://www.hunterandassoc.com/images/siteplans/large/East%2054%20Site%20Plan%20Large.jpg

http://www.hunterandassoc.com/images/properties/large/East%2054%20Area%20Large.jpg

http://www.hunterandassoc.com/images/properties/large/East%2054%20Cafe%20Plaza%20Large.jpg

http://www.hunterandassoc.com/images/properties/large/East%2054%20Market%20Square%20Large.jpg

http://www.east54.com/assets/images/amenities_shopping.jpg

http://www.east54.com/assets/images/amenities_plaza.jpg

Yes, I know what you are going to tell me: "In Greenville, there are a lot of projects on-hold, or canceled, due to the bad economy, blah, blah, blah..."

Proof that Durham has a chance to hog it all from Greenville (this was for g-man): Durham Council's mind eased on project (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/987215.html).
DURHAM - Greenfire Development trotted out several investors and partners, including a prominent Atlanta developer, to reassure City Council members at a Thursday meeting that the company has the resources to pull off a proposed $284 million downtown project.

...

Bell particularly was impressed to learn that The Integral Group, a well-known Atlanta urban development company, would serve as co-developer and investor with Greenfire.
I guess that the Greenfire Development partners are slowly showing their cards, which is great!!! I would hate for their vision to be pie in the sky and remove some of the existing momentum for DT Durham.

Let's give Durham some love with two positive WRAL-5 reports:
Bull City Job Market Among Nation’s Hottest (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2559814/)
Job Market in Durham Among Nation’s Strongest, Survey Shows (http://www.wral.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/story/2555022/)

Let's hope that this positive outlook will bring more businesses to downtown, too, not only to RTP.

I had a question/answer session with RDU's customer service website after recently flying in/out of Terminal C. I was stranded in New York due to weather two weeks ago and had to use the AirTrain/NJ Transit/Long Island Railroad to transfer between Newark and Kennedy. It only cost me around $25 and took about two hours with a transfers at Newark's RailLink, Penn Station and LIRR/Jamaica. The folks at New Raleigh picked it up, so here's the link:

New Raleigh/RDU Update (http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/rdu-terminal-construction-transit)

And, here's some nice renderings at Freelon's site about Terminal C:

Terminal C Renovation and Expansion (http://www.freelon.com/portfolio/222)

Peace

Thanks for the link(s) dbearhug :okay:

Good Morning!

And, since Fentress/Bradburn of Denver is the lead architect for RDU Terminal C, I'll throw in their link as well. Enjoy!

Fentress Architects: RDU Terminal C (http://www.fentressarchitects.com/rdu.htm)

Peace :2cents:

Saw this piece of news and wanted to share, in case we have any commuters to RTP: New parkway has steep price (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6042125). The positive thing about this type of news is that it makes it clear that we need a unified Triangle transit system, not expensive highways. Maybe they can place a light-rail line in the middle, with overpasses to connect the stations with "destinations", whatever the latter might be.

Saw this piece of news and wanted to share, in case we have any commuters to RTP: New parkway has steep price (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6042125). The positive thing about this type of news is that it makes it clear that we need a unified Triangle transit system, not expensive highways. Maybe they can place a light-rail line in the middle, with overpasses to connect the stations with "destinations", whatever the latter might be.

I suppose so, but in most situations I've experienced is that a transit line has to be close to both the residents and the work sites. To go down the median is OK, but you would have to collect the riders from the east or west and then loop around RTP. Unfortunately, the park is cursed because it was built as a suburban campus with the job sites spread out instead of being along a central axis/spine. I guess I just don't see a good solution here beyond the parkway/toll road.

A better solution might be to develop high-density worker villages on each of the campus sites where employees could walk/bike to work. Hmmm, now there's a thought...

Peace :2cents:

I just saw this in the Independent Weekly about whether the we live in one metropolitan area called the Triangle or whether we're two halves of one. It actually made a position that I thought made a lot of sense, especially in light of Durham's new performing arts center and Greenfire development.

The Broken Links: Triangle is growing apart, separated by geography, politics, transit and identity (http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A194737)

Peace :2cents:

That article uses some questionable numbers in the population growth table. Raleigh's population was above the quoted numbers for both 1998 and 2008. Not that this changes anything :lol: Personally, I see the Triangle for what it is: a collection of cities and towns that work both separately and together, depending on the situation. As Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill get closer to each other - via infill communities - the Triangle will gain a stronger urban "center". Of course, it will take many years before a truly unified Triangle becomes reality, IMHO.

Maybe this project is a big yawn, but given its size and scope I think it deserves a mention: Renovation project moves forward (http://news14.com/content/top_stories/594283/renovation-project-moves-forward/Default.aspx).

^^

Yawn or not, it's interesting in that there have been various attempts to update and improve this site. And yet, it's going to be redeveloped very much along the same idea as North Hills. I see this as a trend which is an expanded teardown phenomenon with anything that is built really only has a 25-30 year expected lifespan. When that's reached and it is no longer viable, then the slate is going to be wiped clean. Urban evolution continues ever on.

Images of Zapolski + Rudd's plans for Waverly Place

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite1.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite2.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite3.bmp

http://www.zapolskirudd.com/projects/allproperties/waverly/waverly_composite4.bmp

Peace :2cents:

I wish it had a more urban form, though. Sure, it may prove to be a better development than the existing one, but if it sits there for another 50+ years, without hope for something more urban, then it will be a poorly used parcel. I am happy that someone is actually doing something, but the site plan leaves much to be desired. Also, I really hope that developers stop using North Hills as a way to fool us about their vision... First of all, this project is nothing like North Hills. Second, North Hills could have been far better and these guys are not improving anything on the NH plan - NHE seems to be a vast improvement IMHO.

Anyway, it is a positive move and I am glad the developers are moving forward :okay:

Not a huge piece of news, but what the Hell, it is a slow day: UNC working up plans for $240M biomedical center (http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/04/14/story3.html?b=1208145600^1619070). Here is a rendering to go with the article:

http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/115641-400-0.jpg?rev=2
Image is courtesy of UNC - Chapel Hill

I do not expect any urban form, but this 7-story/342,000sf building (called Imaging Research Building) will help the density of the campus, for sure. Without a doubt, there will be a lot of useful research taking place there, if the last sentence of the article is true: Nanotechnology, he says, will lead to advances in both cancer diagnosis and treatment.

We got a little bit of Wake Forest today, from the Triangle Business Journal:

Downtown plan targets retail, homes (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/04/21/focus1.html)
Despite recent slowness, developers remain bullish on area (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/04/21/focus3.html)
Much-awaited bus service to Raleigh could start in July (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/04/21/focus2.html)

We have some information on Cary, too, and I think this is important, in a way, as it might explain the slow progress in Soleil Center:

Soleil drops idea for Cary project after SAS' move (http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2008/04/21/story7.html)

Sounds like the Soleil Group had a good vision, but SAS, along with some additional costs on road improvements, didn't let it happen. Maybe Soleil Group can now focus on Soleil Center more, and speed up their entering in the downtown market instead of looking into the burbs. If I wasn't mistaken, I saw Dicky Walia walking outside Crema, this week... Maybe he is doing a little research on downtown locations. How about bringing a Soleil Center 3 project to the core of the city? ;)

Imperial Plaza

Just a few photos from the Imperial Plaza site. The first midrise (the 11-story Imperial Tower) has already topped out. In the 3rd photo you can see the site where the 8-story Westin Hotel is going. This area is consisted of the typical suburban office parks, but there is potential for some good redevelopment in the future. I used to work around there and I must admit I was impressed with the progress. While most would associate this section of Durham with RTP - for a very good reason - it is definitely within Durham's city limits. So, Durham will officially get the first Westin Hotel, unless Soleil Group gets their acts together and move faster, which is doubtful. I must admit though, it would have been very nice if the developer had combined Imperial Tower and Westin Hotel into one high-rise, in the middle of Durham's skyline :)

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Durham/ImperialPlaza/D200A_9501m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Durham/ImperialPlaza/D200A_9504m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Durham/ImperialPlaza/D200A_9508m.jpg

http://www.raleighmsa.com/images/projects/Triangle/Durham/ImperialPlaza/D200A_9512m.jpg

g-man, Durham is hogging it all and there is NOTHING you can do to change this. Before you even know it, they will steal all the projects from Greenville... unless you and Bob Ellis do something about it... Well, don't do anything stupid, such as visit this area :lol:

We can't even get an eight story building built downtown but you guys can get an 11-story one built in the suburbs. :rant:

... with an 8-story Westin Hotel being built right next to it, just to piss you off even more :)

... with an 8-story Westin Hotel being built right next to it, just to piss you off even more :)

Well, we have a 12-story one downtown so there. :D