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Wow... :applause:

^^ Beautiful

My favourite stadium in the world, without a doubt, fantastic design and lighting!

Why no developments around the stadium?

No space?!?

Beautiful venue, but some form of development around the stadium would be nice.
Definitely the Cape Town Stadium's big brother.

It's pretty much on the very edge of the city. It's probably either not an area that's ripe for redevelopment, or it's an area the local government wants to keep free of development.

Do somebody have more official details about the mentioned capacity of 72.622 seat places, because official booklet of the stadium for arena guides don't tell anything about these capacity, only about 66.000 seat places.

And my other question, do somebody have an official explanation why the maximum capacity is 69.901 spectactors at german league matches? I often heared that this is due to emergency exits and safety-related. But i cant`find a official explanation about this.

And can somebody get the information about the plan of emergency exit in the allianz arena? because it must exist a strategy in some cases of incidents, so they must have an emergency exit strategy, how people can come outside and how much people can go through the different emergency exits and in whcih time?

And the other thing is, why the factor from seat places to standing areas in lower south and lower north stand is only 1 to 1.3. Is this the maximum because of a technical regulation of the city of munich ("Kreisverwaltungsreferat")? Because in some other german stadiums we have changing factors of e.g. 1 to 1.6 or 1 to 1.8.

I doubt the area around the stadium will see any significant development at all. It is situated next to 2 very busy Autobahns with a big junction, subway facilities, a big waste water treatment plant (you can smell that sometimes) and 3 landfills. A noisy and (mostly) ugly area. Not exactly the kind of place where any high profile development could be expected.

The reason that area was chosen for that stadium is that this was the only place available they were sure not to risk delays and legal issues because of NIMBYs complaining about noise and traffic.

Awesome stadium! :cheers2:

Love the interior, but am i the only person who doesn't like the plastic cladding ?

No, you're not, for sure.

I was at Allianz Arena last year and this stadium looks beautiful.
I defenitely must go there again to see it shining at night.

This is one of my favorite stadiums in Europe and I would love to watch a game here.

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A nice and great stadium, at least what the interior concerns.

However I don´t really like the exterior, it doesn´t look like a football stadium, more like an UFO LOL

But it´s of course a matter of taste...but the interior looks great.

A nice and great stadium, at least what the interior concerns.

However I don´t really like the exterior, it doesn´t look like a football stadium, more like an UFO LOL

But it´s of course a matter of taste...but the interior looks great.

You're right, that's a matter of taste. But the special look of the exterior makes this stadium unique! And that's the great thing about it, you'll remember the stadium for ever when you see it the first time. There is no stadium like this on the whole world and that's the most special thing about this stadium. And the interior of the stadium is really beautiful, especially to watch a football game, you are very close to the flied no matter where you sit. the only problem is to get tickets :) so the stadium is just too small for Bayern München. for normal Bundesliga or Champions League games you can't get tickets

Bayern - Ingolstadt

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For this type of stadium, the Gdansk PGE Arena has a more impressive exterior although the sheer scale of the Allianz Arena gives it wow factor.

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My absolute favourite stadium in the world :banana:

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is there commercial zone around it?

is there commercial zone around it?

What is a commercial zone?


Well i have to admit the area around the Allianz Arena is not the most beautiful. motorway, some modern business buildings like the big Audi and T-com shop.

But Allianz Arena with the modern design fits perfectly to the area and i always enjoy walking to the Allianz Arena and watch the beauty. :nuts:

i tak about restaurants etc...

i tak about restaurants etc...

Not really! people eat in Munich centre or inside the stadium before the match!

not good.
A stadium in a new area should have all of commodities

According to who? You..

Don't get offended.. but this thing that you do is getting annoying.. you base some stadiums value based solely on your personal preferences. Chill dude.

Stadium is in the middle of nowhere and its state of the arts facility. Who cares if theres some bloody restaurant near it? Why should it be there? Stadium has all the required facilities in it.

are you stupid? :rant:

Where i said that it's a bad stadium?!

I just said that to build such a modern stadium without a commercial area around it is not so good because they a lot of space around.
Juve did it, lille has restaurants+hotels or offices close to the stadium and a lot of stadiums are built on this model today.
St denis, Wembley regeneration zone...

Where i criticized the quality of the stadium itself?!

Did i say that you criticized the stadium built quality? We are discussing its exteriors here..

Instead of insulting me you could read my post again.

Allianz Arena doesn't need that. Why would they build it? Just for the sake of it?

not good.
A stadium in a new area should have all of commodities

Well, there is simply not the need for a restaurant in the area. You can eat your french fries, sausages or Schnitzel inside the stadium or in front where they place some snack bars before the games. There is also a big restaurant inside the stadium and a big fan shop. So what do you need more before or after a football match??

people who want to eat something more exclusive will stay in the munich centre or rent a box in the Allianz Arena.

New stadiums in Germany are built on the egde of the cities, no ballyhoo around.....

You can eat and drink something in the stadium during a sightseeing tour.

And most of them were built on old Athletic grounds which were located on the outskirts. This season Leverkusen is the only ground in the Bundesliga which is build next to regular housings.

axel's responses always crack me up... he'll ask a question, get an answer and then just let loose with some uninformed rant.

Well, there is simply not the need for a restaurant in the area. You can eat your french fries, sausages or Schnitzel inside the stadium or in front where they place some snack bars before the games. There is also a big restaurant inside the stadium and a big fan shop. So what do you need more before or after a football match??

people who want to eat something more exclusive will stay in the munich centre or rent a box in the Allianz Arena.

New stadiums in Germany are built on the egde of the cities, no ballyhoo around.....

You can eat and drink something in the stadium during a sightseeing tour.

And most of them were built on old Athletic grounds which were located on the outskirts. This season Leverkusen is the only ground in the Bundesliga which is build next to regular housings.

There is a good argument to be made that developments made around new stadiums like these should be 'organic', meaning that they should happen as a natural result of a demonstrated need rather than as a mass project built all at once by one company. These mass projects are what take the character out of a city and turn areas into depressing, generic, cookie cutter tracts.

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Do you have an image of the distance between the goalline and the stand behind the goal? It always looks very close on the TV, but I'm guessing it is probably the same as that above. I'd check myself but I cannot find any of those graphics that show the distance between the stand and the goalline at various stadia.

As far as i know its 7,5m at the goal stands and 6m at the east and 9m at the west (the stand timo9 posted)

As far as i know its 7,5m at the goal stands and 6m at the east and 9m at the west (the stand timo9 posted)

Thanks Sercan. I also like that the front rows are above pitch level, therefore allowing those seated there to see the nearside action over the advertising hoardings. They don't seem to think about stuff like that when designing stadiums in the UK.

As far as i know its 7,5m at the goal stands and 6m at the east and 9m at the west (the stand timo9 posted)

I guess these ^^ are the FIFA standards for (new?) World Cup stadiums.

are you stupid? :rant:

Where i said that it's a bad stadium?!

I just said that to build such a modern stadium without a commercial area around it is not so good because they a lot of space around.

Yeah, and 6 out of 7 days the restaurants would be completely empty since they're located in the middle of nowhere. :troll:

Thanks Sercan. I also like that the front rows are above pitch level, therefore allowing those seated there to see the nearside action over the advertising hoardings. They don't seem to think about stuff like that when designing stadiums in the UK.
Honestly i prefer the english way. I hate those wall at the german stadiums.
Yes, because of the advertising boards, you cannot see the line at some english stadiums.
But its not so bad. Just some cm.


I guess these ^^ are the FIFA standards for (new?) World Cup stadiums.
Yes it is, but now FIFA says:

-Goal line:
7,5m min, but 10m optimum

-touch line
6m min, but 8,5m optimum


Thanks to that update many stadiums use 8,5m / 10m or even more :(


Yeah, and 6 out of 7 days the restaurants would be completely empty since they're located in the middle of nowhere. :troll:
i think its used by companies etc.

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How does the stadium look without the facade and the light works? Any plan of it's actual body without the clothes on?

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Honestly i prefer the english way. I hate those wall at the german stadiums.
Yes, because of the advertising boards, you cannot see the line at some english stadiums.

That's only a problem at older grounds, and it's only a problem for champions league games, where the boards are higher.

Many are actually netted off because they are too close, rather than being below the level of the advertising boards. You don't tend to see the front rows closed off for league games, just CL ones.

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gorgeous.

splendid :)

But the vip parts are shy no?

Only thing I don't like about this stadium is position of TV camera. The angle is bad, they should put it higher.

I agree.. camera should be between the second and third tier..

Its simply too low.

during world cup it was higher

Can somebody post pics when Munchen 1860 is playing !!!

Can somebody post pics when Munchen 1860 is playing !!!

It's something like this:

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:D

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It's time to get 1860 out of our stadium!

München 1860 Allianz-Arena 23.920 14.600 39.500 69.901 34 %

Average, Minimum, Max, Total Capacity, Percentage.

It's not bad for a team that hasn't been in Bundesliga for a while.

i'd venture a bet that very few lower league teams can brag about playing in a stadium like the allianz arena week in, week out.

i'd venture a bet that very few lower league teams can brag about playing in a stadium like the allianz arena week in, week out.

That's true but the fans of 1860 hate the arena! They want their own stadium or return to the "Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße".

The stadium is owned by FC Bayern and 1860 is just rent the arena. When it was built, the stadium belonged to both teams but 1860 had to sell their shares of the stadium to Bayern, because they were not able to pay the bills for the stadium. So FC Bayern bought the stadium shares of 1860 for 11,6 million €.

i'd venture a bet that very few lower league teams can brag about playing in a stadium like the allianz arena week in, week out.
Just like Matze said, it's hard to brag about being in deep sh.t. Because this is what Allianz Arena means for TSV - way too big to cope for the club and at the same time too small for Bayern. Cannot blame the fans and authorities of the club for trying to leave that place.

Bayern's matches are sold out?

Bayern's matches are sold out?

Always! with the start in 2005 every Bayern match in the bundesliga was sold out. Even if we play in the second round of the domestic cup against a small club from the german second league 60.000 come.
For big CL or Bundesliga games there are sometimes 200.000 - 300.000 requests
The away games of Bayern are also sold out for years... So difficult to get tickets

Allianz Arena is way too small for Bayern, we could easily fill a 90.000 for regular games, when Dortmund can fill their 80.000 stadium.

Maybe Real, Barca or United have more worldwide fans, but when it comes to "real" fans who want to see their club in the stadium we are most popular worldwide.

Are there any talks about Bayern leaving the Alianz Arena?

Always! with the start in 2005 every Bayern match in the bundesliga was sold out. Even if we play in the second round of the domestic cup against a small club from the german second league 60.000 come.
For big CL or Bundesliga games there are sometimes 200.000 - 300.000 requests
The away games of Bayern are also sold out for years... So difficult to get tickets

Allianz Arena is way too small for Bayern, we could easily fill a 90.000 for regular games, when Dortmund can fill their 80.000 stadium.

Maybe Real, Barca or United have more worldwide fans, but when it comes to "real" fans who want to see their club in the stadium we are most popular worldwide.

what do you mean by "real" fans? united sell out every game without fail and could do 10 times over!

I think he means local fans rather than tourists.

Are there any talks about Bayern leaving the Alianz Arena?

Why should Bayern leave the Allianz Arena? The arena is new, modern and owned by Bayern. 1860 Munich isn't happy in the arena but they can't pay building an own stadium and have a longterm contract with the Allianz Arena Stadion GmbH.

People are saying it's too small for Bayern.

Indeed.. why on earth would Bayern leave Allianz Arena? They've just built it for gods sake..

People are saying it's too small for Bayern.

It is, we could fill at least 80,000 per game but it is ok, the way it is. If we would change the ratio of seats to standing, we could fill in 80,000, but as far as I know the authorities in Munich doesn't allow that. Our stadium is already as big as the stadium of Borussia Dortmund (80,000) but only for international games. For international games we can put 66,000 in the Allianz Arena, Dortmund can just put 65,718. Dortmund can get more into their stadium for national games because they sell much more standing tickets

People are saying it's too small for Bayern.

They could move back to Olympiastadion and renovate it by adding a 2nd floor to it, sell only standing tickets behind the goals and they could even hit 100k :cheers:.



















































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great, great stadium, ruined by those ugly steel fences, in my opinion.

great, great stadium, ruined by those ugly steel fences, in my opinion.

true, I don't know why they leave them there, stadium security is top notch anyway

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Do they still turn off the blue Allianz letters during every CL-game?

it'd be nice to see the colours of chelsea and bayern represented in the cladding for the champions league final. does anyone know if it is possible to do this?

Do they still turn off the blue Allianz letters during every CL-game?

They never did.

it'd be nice to see the colours of chelsea and bayern represented in the cladding for the champions league final. does anyone know if it is possible to do this?

It would be possible, yes, since Chelsea has the same club colors as the second club playing there: 1860 München.

It would be possible, yes, since Chelsea has the same club colors as the second club playing there: 1860 München.

i understand that.. i was just wondering if they could display both colours at the same time? like half and half.

^^

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If this is possible then it is certainly possible to display both colours at the same time.

it'd be nice to see the colours of chelsea and bayern represented in the cladding for the champions league final. does anyone know if it is possible to do this?

Yes it is possible...

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Allianz-Arena.blue.red.jpg

awesome. i wonder what they have in store for the evening :)

Yes it is possible...

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Because those colors are used often by Bayern!?

The use of the colours is restricted by the vicinity of the Autobahn. In the earliest beginning they experimented with changing colours and patterns, resulting in many car crashes due to drivers not paying attention to the traffic(same reason why Germany does not allow ad boards near autobahns). Therefore they may only show red, white or blue OR change the colour every half hour. To display this small band of the UEFA final colours they have to change layers of the existing lights.

Unless UEFA forces them to use certain colours, they might as well keep it as Bayern Munich's red.

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omg :puke:

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im now assuming after seeing this that the colours are going to be blue/green as displayed in your original picture.:cheers:

Unless UEFA forces them to use certain colours, they might as well keep it as Bayern Munich's red.

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why would uefa do something so stupid?

The use of the colours is restricted by the vicinity of the Autobahn. In the earliest beginning they experimented with changing colours and patterns, resulting in many car crashes due to drivers not paying attention to the traffic(same reason why Germany does not allow ad boards near autobahns). Therefore they may only show red, white or blue OR change the colour every half hour. To display this small band of the UEFA final colours they have to change layers of the existing lights.
wow, interesting. I didn't knew that.

Same thing in Sweden when H&M had posters of Anna Nicole Smith. Many drivers (male I suppose) drove off the road. :)

This is how [apparently] it will look like next Saturday

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that champions league banners looks awful :/

^^
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Do they still turn off the blue Allianz letters during every CL-game?
They never did.

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that banner is still disturbing me. you'd think with uefa's expertise with branding (which looks beautiful inside the stadium) they'd have come up with a better solution than that. at night its just going to look like a big black rectangle in the middle of a beautiful structure.

that banner is still disturbing me. you'd think with uefa's expertise with branding (which looks beautiful inside the stadium) they'd have come up with a better solution than that. at night its just going to look like a big black rectangle in the middle of a beautiful structure.

The alternative -removing the Allianz logo- is probably too expensive.
It is no big deal in the end.

Those pillars behind the goals are hideous. You see that in every german stadium and it looks so shit.

I know its probably for security reasons or whatever but it ruins the whole thing. Just leave it like in the English stadiums.

And yea, the banner on the allianz logo looks awful aswell.

For the rest it's a nice stadium though :) Should have gotten a CL final much earlier.

The alternative -removing the Allianz logo- is probably too expensive.
It is no big deal in the end.

actually.. if i had been in charge of branding this stadium i'd have put a giant cut out of the champions league trophy over that allianz logo. it'd have fit over the stadium snugly and it'd continue the colour scheme of the cladding. but i guess thats just me being a graphic designer and loving symmetry.

I agree to MrChavcore. They should have placed a banner with the Final logo over it instead of that generic non-fitting UCL version.
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Because of more media the cap. for the final will be 62,500

even when my team isn't playing i still love champions league final day. the build up reminds me of the super bowl.

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I like it:cheers::cheers: Hoping for a good match tonight.

The alternative -removing the Allianz logo- is probably too expensive.
It is no big deal in the end.
It was done during the World Cup, but that was for four weeks and not only one evening, of course.

WAIT A ENGLISH SIDE WON A SHOOT-OUT ! HOW MANY BEERS HAVE I HAD ?

WAIT A ENGLISH SIDE WON A SHOOT-OUT ! HOW MANY BEERS HAVE I HAD ?

the players are not englishmen

the players are not englishmen

:bash: Two English players scored and a German missed one ! :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers: :cheers2:

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Watching the match
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Shame about the score, but the stadium looked very nice.

Attendance was 62,500

Don't know why they have always inaccurate attendances at Allianz.

Always just 69,000 (Bundesliga) or 66,000 (CL) or know this one.

Congrats to Chelsea, they show how football should be played if you're underestimate and don't have the same support as the other time. Maybe the game was a little bit boring at some periods of the game and Bayern had the possession, at the end of the day Chelsea are deserved winners just because they eliminate Barca, they made good comeback against Napoli and they had good match against Benfica.

Congrats to Chelsea, they show how football should be played if you're underestimate and don't have the same support as the other time. Maybe the game was a little bit boring at some periods of the game and Bayern had the possession, at the end of the day Chelsea are deserved winners just because they eliminate Barca, they made good comeback against Napoli and they had good match against Benfica.

Can't agree there with you there, my old fruit. think you will find their victory was down to an unprecedented amount of good fortune at the end of the day. Oddly, the way they have have performed recently I wouldn't even put them in Europe's best top ten teams, and there they sit as Champions of Europe. As one Englishman once famously said over here. " Football is a funny old game!"

Can't agree there with you there, my old fruit. think you will find their victory was down to an unprecedented amount of good fortune at the end of the day. Oddly, the way they have have performed recently I wouldn't even put them in Europe's best top ten teams, and there they sit as Champions of Europe. As one Englishman once famously said over here. " Football is a funny old game!"

i don't relay care for Chelsea... but i am happy for Drogba, one last superstiker that deserved the trophy

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There have been lots of pretenders but this stadium still tops them all. What an elegant beauty.

With alot of make-up yes. Minus all the colourful boards it's a grey concrete and plastic wasteland surrounding a field of green inside.

funny how Robben and Schweinsteiger are the reason why they got to the final and the reason why they lost the final

Attendance was 62,500

Don't know why they have always inaccurate attendances at Allianz.

Always just 69,000 (Bundesliga) or 66,000 (CL) or know this one.

What I heard was that the press section was extended a lot for this match, which is the reason for the decrease in capacity for normal attendance.

i don't relay care for Chelsea... but i am happy for Drogba, one last superstiker that deserved the trophy

I agree 100 %

With alot of make-up yes. Minus all the colourful boards it's a grey concrete and plastic wasteland surrounding a field of green inside.

I like the grey seats. Imagine it with red seats (the most probable alternative I guess). With grey ones it looks much more elegant.

I like the grey seats. Imagine it with red seats (the most probable alternative I guess). With grey ones it looks much more elegant.

Red seats and in white seats written FC Bayern München? :drool:

1860 GTFO!

Apparently the organizers were unprepared for the UEFA Champions League final and crowd management and transportation turned into a nightmare:

http://plainsofalmeria.co.uk/2012/05/24/over-land-and-sea-just-not-by-train/

Apparently the organizers were unprepared for the UEFA Champions League final and crowd management and transportation turned into a nightmare:

http://plainsofalmeria.co.uk/2012/05/24/over-land-and-sea-just-not-by-train/

They were not unprepared. Their capacities just reached the maximum possible. The fact that Bayern reached the final let the city be over crowded. Every capacity has its limits.

I wasn't there so I don't really know, but I find it hard to believe that it would have been difficult for them to supplement the metro trains, or create temporary bus lines for the event evening.

Hmm. Seems like they didn't learn a lesson from 2006, when similar reports about the metro situation during the WC games came out. But that's the thing when you build a stadium in the middle of nowhere...one way to come and one way to leave. A shame.

They were not unprepared. Their capacities just reached the maximum possible. The fact that Bayern reached the final let the city be over crowded. Every capacity has its limits.

Bollocks. MVG did a poor job that night. I was there and subway trains could have run every 2-3 Minutes, but they didn't.

Bollocks. MVG did a poor job that night. I was there and subway trains could have run every 2-3 Minutes, but they didn't.

Munich doesn't have more trains! that's the problem. everything they have was on service.

The munich public transport is a general problem, they don't have enough capacity.

Attendance was 62,500

Don't know why they have always inaccurate attendances at Allianz.

Always just 69,000 (Bundesliga) or 66,000 (CL) or know this one.

For the CL Finals, they always have a lower total capacity from the normal CL matches. A lot more media is in the stadium and seats get converted to accommodate them.

A lot of fans came in, 62,500 in the Allianz and I heard about 55,000 paid to watch at the Olympic Stadium.