http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Bayern_Munchen.png/150px-Bayern_Munchen.png
FC Bayern München

22x Champion (record):
1932, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1974,
1980, 1981, 1985, 1986, 1987,
1989, 1990, 1994, 1997, 1999,
2000, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006,
2008, 2010

15x Cup Winner (record):
1957, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1971,
1982, 1984, 1986, 1998, 2000,
2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010

4x Supercup (record):
1981, 1987, 1990, 2010

4x UEFA Champions League:
1974, 1975, 1976, 2001

1x UEFA Europa League:
1996

1x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
1967

2x FIFA World Club Cup:
1976, 2001



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen_%28Wappen%29.png/150px-TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen_%28Wappen%29.png
TSV 1860 München

1x Champion:
1966

2x Cup Winner:
1942, 1964




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Allianzarenapano.jpg

its kinda cool looking, but i still think "toilet seat" when i see it

Hi!
I really like the light effects (blue when TSV 1860 München is playing, red when Bayern München is playing and white when the German National team or other teams play there).
But I still don`t like the architecture of this thing...:?

interesting, but i don't like it's architecture as well

Looks like the Michelin man attacked Munich. I believe that's designed by Herzog & De Meuron, which would lead me to expect something better than this.

http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionneubau/Deutschland/Muenchen/Fotos_M/0603/tt_01.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionneubau/Deutschland/Muenchen/Fotos_M/0603/luftbild05.jpg

Why does this picture make me think "sperm"...? :D

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/22.jpg

[SIZE=1]Originally posted by CharlieP

Why does this picture make me think "sperm"...? :D



LMAO. A spermatozoa with a green head, eh.

A webcam pic of the Arena (4 days old):)

enjoy:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/pics/cam/m2/full_1.jpg?cache=1066156258

Photo taken yesterday:)

Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena/bildergalerien/baustelle151003/38.jpg

It's interesting, but kinda ugly. It looks like a hemorrhoid pillow! :D

It's definitely not going to be Germany's nicest one.

The Allianz Arena is designed by Herzog & De Meuron, two Swiss architects who belong to my favourites, my heroes... I love and admire their work, the way they treat materials and details is genious, in my opinion...Therefore I think this will be a spectacular and beautiful stadium. Although it does not look like a stadium at first sight.

For Herzog & De Meuron it is their second stadium project.
Their first was the St. Jakobpark in Basel (FC Basel).

http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionlisten/Schweiz/FC-Basel/fc-basel_RS_01.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionlisten/Schweiz/FC-Basel/StadionBasel_01.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/Stadionwelt-Stadien-Arenen/Stadionlisten/Schweiz/FC-Basel/BASEL_MK_01.jpg

Although I've never seen it, I think it is a beauty.
Much of the things they used in Basel return in the Allianz Arena, for example the transparent skin, wrapped around it, and the use of coloured light.

@Mojito

Correct, the St. Jakob Park was the first stadium of them and it s very nice, inside but also outside. From outside on the day its a bit habitually but is looks great on the night when its shining.
You are welcome to visit a game in the St. Jacob Park, if it s not sellout, like mostly at the moment.
Because of that and for the EURO2008, the stadium will be enlarged about 10`000 places to a capacity of 40`000.

Today:
http://www.baselunited.ch/hdm/sitegfx/stadion.gif

Future:
http://www.fcb.ch/albums/albun49/joggeli_innen.jpg

WoW. I like it, looks modern and original

I dislike a lot of radically modern architecture, but not this stadium. It is a big improvement on the architects' first effort, which looks like a shocker to me.

Does anyone know whether this stadium will have a convertible terrace like Borussia Dortmund's ground? If so, what will the capacity be when the seats are taken out?

Originally posted by Philip Cronin

what will the capacity be when the seats are taken out?

Its a Full- Seater so there are no standing Places,there for 66.000places:)

Originally posted by sam88

Its a Full- Seater so there are no standing Places,there for 66.000places:)

Thanks

New Pics:
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena/bildergalerien/luftbilder_10032003/1024x768/1024x768_131103/2.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena/bildergalerien/luftbilder_10032003/1024x768/1024x768_131103/5.jpg

Originally posted by sam88

Its a Full- Seater so there are no standing Places,there for 66.000places:)

Not 100% correct. For League games there will be 10 000 standing places for Bayern in the South Terrace and 10 000 for 1860 in the North terrace. Due due traffic issues the conversion from seats and standing places will be 1-1 as more than 66 000 spectators can not be coped with traffic wise, therefore not like other German Stadiums, which normally have a conversion from 1 seat into 2 standing places. Hopefully this will change when the stadium is up and running and start glitches are solved.

The Roofconstruction had begun.

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena/bildergalerien/stahltraeger_201103/20.jpg :)

Update:

lightingtests
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/gesellschafter_191203/21_375x260.jpg
inside

from Allianz Arena (http://www.allianz-arena.de) :)

Super Stadion, ich LIEBE seine ausgefallene moderne Architektur!

Great stadium, I LOVE its unusual modern architecture!

Yes Volker
btw:new pics on zhe side:)

Nice! ;)

wooow...it will a great satdium...love it
:okay: :bow: :bow: :bow: :okay:

Before I saw it the first time, I wouldn't have thought the colours will become that intense! Great!:) :)

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_260104/8.jpg :)

this stadium is fantastic. along with wembley the best in the world imo.

munich now has two world class stadia - lucky bavarians, lucky germany!

Impressive

New Pic on the side:)

^HERE (http://www.allianz-arena.de) :)

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/9.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/7.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/11.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/13.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/14.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_210304/16.jpg :)

Sam, es hätte auch gereicht, wenn du den Link zu den Fotos gepostet hättest. So muss man jedes mal diese elendige wartezeit in Kauf nehmen, wenn man in den Thread kommt.

Ja stimmt,daran hatte ich nicht gedacht!
Aber viele folgen links nicht weil es zu unbequem ist(Ich selbst meistens auch nicht;) )

Bilder die du schon vorher gezeigt hast, kannst du ja später nur den link geben.Neue Bilder kannst du ja zeigen (Wenn du dann wieder neue Bilder hast, bei den vorherigen nur den link geben)

P.S. bei mir kommen die Bidler immer sehr schnell (DSL?)

Ich habe auch DSL aber ich hatte vegessen das mache Leute unterm Standard leben müssen:D

nein nur Spaß:)

PS: die Bilder die ich schon gezeigt hatte habe ich doch schon längst rauseditiert!?!?

ICh würde die Bilder lassen...sollen die durch diese schönen Bidler und durch dieses Stadion der Zukunft sehen, was in Deutschland gemacht wird.:D
Zur zeit ist das da luz mein lieblingsstadion...solange aber die Allianz arena noch nicht fertig ist:D
Auf den Geraden hat der 3.rang mehr sitzreihen (ist größer),oder?

New Pics on da site
Allianz Arena (http://www.allianz-arena.de)

Preview:
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/luftbilder_200404/2.jpg

This stadium looks fantastic. It will be by far the best in Germany and most likely in the top 5 of europe.

Wow, it's looking great. It looks much bigger than 66,000 aswell.

this one is also amazing.

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/luftbilder_200404/3.jpg

This stadium is another reason to be proud of Germany. :master: :bow:

Jep

New Pics on da Site
Allianz Arena (http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/news/foto/index.php) :)

Even though Im English i have to say,from what I have seen I have to hand it to the Germans theyve built a stadium cool enough to be compared with any in the world.Still prefer Wembley though.

I hate Bayern but the Allianz Arena is great. It could be a real home advantage for the german national team in 2006.

My favourite:
Class A - Stadium in Europe!!

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/luftbilder_200404/3.jpg

New Pics here (http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/news/foto/index.php)

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_230404/82.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_230404/81.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_230404/75.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_230404/64.jpg

WOW so many updates on da page
Here the hole Arena taken today
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/sonstiges_1024x768/3.jpg

thats a biggie
why are those roads built like that?
too much money?:D

thats a biggie
why are those roads built like that?
too much money?:D
Maybe?!:D

New Desktopbackround
like this on
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_260404/13.jpg
:)

:) I have got to say that is going to be a really nice stadium. Is it gonna host the WC finals?

Nope it will host a semifinal

and the 1st match

New Pics:


http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/8.jpg



http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/4.jpg

whats the capacity??

whats the capacity??

66,000 with all the seats in place. That's the capacity for the World Cup and for Champions League games.

At each end there will be a section with removable seating. With the terracing in use, each end will have room for 10,000 more people than with the seats in use.

One end is Bayern Munich's and the other is 1860 Munichs. Only one will be used at a time, so no more than 76,000 people will normally be able to attend a Bundesliga match. If they used both lots of terracing for a derby, 86,000 people could attend, but I don't think they are planning to do so.

However, as of a few months ago, I heard that no more than 66,000 people will be allowed to attend a match until the transport situation has been improved, and that there was no fixed timetable to do this. So they will not use the terracing in the near future, and 66,000 will be the Bundesliga capacity to start with.

For a small private photo collection of the "Allianz-Arena" construction site please head over to www.schlauchbootbuidl.de.vu

New pics (18.06.2004)
www.allianzarena.de

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_180604/1.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_180604/6.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_180604/7.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_180604/10.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_180604/12.jpg

WOWWWWW....

I Love this stadium already. On this moment the best I know!

My father works for Allianz in Rotterdam; he's crazy about this stadium!

:eek2: :eek2:

Wonderful stadium, probably It will be the best stadium of europe.
Great pics :eek2:

Mann,der Allianz Arena in München ist einfach der Hammer,ober geil!
It looks like a futuristic building, people should take it as a role model,very ultra-modern,congratz to Munich.It really looks like a space ship,very high tech!

The stadium is great. Did you hear about the idea of a possible roof construction. There is supposed to be a blimp (zeppelin) that flies into the stadium and works as a roof. It´d fit right into the open space to cover up the field. Crazy, huh?!

that would be like one of the proposed stadiums for beijing 2008...theres a pic of it on that thread somewhere

The "zeppelin" will definitely not be realized in the future. It was not more than a consideration of the architects. Instead of this a traditional retractable roof will be realized if they need it somtime in the future. Divices for this retractable roof have already been integated in the "normal" roof/cladding structure of the new arena, so a re-fitting can be carried out easily.

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/sonnenaufgang_130804/7.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_130804/65.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_130804/60.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_130804/50.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/baustelle_130804/49.jpg

what is the material of the white 'bubbles'? Are they like plexi-glass material? If so, you could never have that in Texas. You'd burn up the fans like ants.

No it's not plexiglass. It's made of ETFE foil.

what is the material of the white 'bubbles'? Are they like plexi-glass material? If so, you could never have that in Texas. You'd burn up the fans like ants.

(a) No, its located in Bavaria not Texas... we have to care more about snow load than solar radiation.
(b) Its ETFE membrane.
(c) These are air-filled cushions, so they do not act like a single lens. Check the lightpath.

Air filled cushions, eh. So will they get bigger and smaller depending on the temperature?

Wonderfull stadium! Ik like it.

The architects are also designing the main stadium for the Olympic Games 2008 in Beijing.

http://www.bjghw.gov.cn/forNationalStadium/b11/xiaoguo/301.jpg
http://www.bjghw.gov.cn/forNationalStadium/b11/xiaoguo/302.jpg
http://www.bjghw.gov.cn/forNationalStadium/b11/xiaoguo/304.jpg

Hopefully Rotterdam will as be ambitious as Munich for the new Feyenoord-stadium (75.000) that will be built in some years

plans feyenoord to build a new satdium?

yes, one with 75000 seats. The 'Kuip' can't be enlarged because it's a monument.

any renderings?

no, they have only the plan to built a new one.

Air filled cushions, eh. So will they get bigger and smaller depending on the temperature?

No, they won't. The internal air (over)pressure will be controlled (in relation to ambient air pressure) via a purge-valve/pump-system in order to avoid this.

New pics :runaway:

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_101104/4.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_101104/7.jpg

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_141104/6.jpg

how much will Allianz-Arena cost?

It looks like a rubber boat!! I don`t like it at all! It might be the best stadium ever, but it`s ugly.

San Siro forever!!!! But this stadium kicks a**!!!

what is the material of the white 'bubbles'? Are they like plexi-glass material? If so, you could never have that in Texas. You'd burn up the fans like ants.

You say that like it's a bad thing :D

Merry Christmas (I know, a bit late but who cares :) )
And A Happy New Year!!!

http://www.allianzarena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/sonstiges_1024x768/8.jpg

Is that a real pic or just a render?

Is that a real pic or just a render?

Do you mean the Christmas tree or the stadium? :)

For the stadium: Yes this is 100% real.

For the tree: I´m not so sure about that. :)

I was talking about the stadium...the facade looks...well...just like a computer overlay or something...weird

I don't like this stadium at all.

One of my favorites now that it has come to life. Nice clean seating bowl.

Why is it called the best stadium in the world? From the outside it looks like a hemorrhoid pillow or a rubber boat. From the inside it looks like any other stadium with three rings. the outside really degrades this building in my opinion.

A stadium should look like a stadium.

I don't know if its the best in the world or not. Certainly in that rare air with the newest in the NFL, MLB and soccer leagues around the world. One of the most unique.

wonderful

It looks like the biggest bavarian invention. Weisswurst.

Admittedly it's controversial, but it certainly grabs your attention.

Germany's got a whole bunch of incredible looking stadiums either newly built or under construction.

. From the inside it looks like any other stadium with three rings.
you say that as if it was something common.
how many stadia with three continuous rings do we got in europe? 3...? 2..?

I find it extremely gorgeous!

you say that as if it was something common.
how many stadia with three continuous rings do we got in europe? 3...? 2..?
I think Nou Camp has tree rings. Maybe we have 3-4 but Allianz Arena is definitely the only one in Germany. All the new arenas have two rings. Schalke 2; Aol-Arena 2; Gladbach 2; Wolfsburg 2.

Und wie sieht Mainz aus?

i think there are only 2 stadia in europe with 3 complete rings; nou camp and bernabeu (until new wembley isnt completed)

one could also say da luz had 3 rings, but i personally dont consider that little one in the middle as a full ring
http://www.nrk.no/img/327875.jpeg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/fixpunkt_ost/fixpunkt_ost_gross/11.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/schnee_281204/13.jpg


Germany plays:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/18.jpg


1860 München:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/25.jpg


Bayern München:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/27.jpg

@calif jürgen:

there seem to be some more stadiums in europe with three rings. for example stade de france. i don't think that it's still something very special, but nevertheless the feeling inside such an arena is probably better than in a 2 ring stadium.

i assume by rings you mean tiers as in levels of seating

Twickenham Stadium has three tiers - currently only in a horseshoe, but redevelopment starts in June to complete the ring...

Wembley Stadium will also have three tiers AFAIK.

Actually the Allianz Arena will be one of only 3 designs in Europe (with Stade de France and Wembley being the other ones), and the only club-owned arena (Da Luz is IMHO something of a borderline case ), which will have 3 continuous tiers from the very start.
All other stadia with three tiers (Nou Camp, Bernabeu etc.) are redevelopments.

i think there are only 2 stadia in europe with 3 complete rings; nou camp and bernabeu (until new wembley isnt completed)

one could also say da luz had 3 rings, but i personally dont consider that little one in the middle as a full ring
http://www.nrk.no/img/327875.jpeg


At least 3 rings haves. A little vip 4th ring it`s not considered.

Nice stadium!

There are new air photographs on the Allianz Arena Homepage

www.allianz-arena.de

opinions may differ on the design of the stadium which, for some people, looks like a gigantic rubber dinghy. But when you look at this light effects it's undisputable that the AA is the greatest stadium in the world :eek2:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/1.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/8.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/9.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/11.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/12.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/13.jpg http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_200105/14.jpg

Its certainly spectacular. Is the inside completely finished yet?

Ok, maybe I exaggerated a bit...

Well, as far as I know there are some things missing in the inside.
- Chairs aren't completely finished
- Videowalls aren't installed yet
and most important of all there's no lawn yet.
But there's some some time left for this things to be done. The stadium will officially be opened on May 30.

i wouldnt go as far as saying its the best in the world i think its preety ugly but technologically it must be the best looks like a blowup boat....dinghy

hello everybody, I m Eric from Paris, someone works for Allianz here?, Me yes in Paris.

This is looking like it will be at the very top of the pile of European Stadia when it opens (along with perhaps Stade de France, Estadio da Luz, Millennium Stadium etc). It may even be the very best. At least until 2006 when Wembley arrives of course!

The design might be a bit boring inside, but with three tiers of a similar size, a low enclosed roof and no athletics track, the atmosphere should be excellent. A superb stadium all in all, just seems a shame that it won't host the final of the World Cup - it's an infinitely better stadium in every way (except size) than the one in Berlin.

It's good to see that the public is vey close to the field. By the most new stadiums there's a whole gap between the platform and the field. And: I like the new Arena! Beautiful outside, nice inside.

@all who consider the stadium as ugly. Look at it at night,when it's slightly illuminated, as I did yesterday and you'll think different. Really looks like something from outer space. Amazing!

http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/webc/index.php

Check this out :)

This is my favorite footballstadium from now on, it is so gorgeous!!

Both Video walls are installed now. One in the south and one in the north curve. Each one has a size of 90 sqm.

Wonderful new high resolution construction pics of the new Munich Allianz Arena by Tobias Totz:
12.03.2005 (http://www.ib-opatz.de/xtra/exkarlibua/pages/page_21f.html)

click "Zu Teil X " at the bottom of the linked page for further construction pics

New high resolution pics on the official site!! Great!

www.allianz-arena.de

Looks nice and compact on the inside. Should be a good atmosphere, but anyone know what the plans are for the grass? Looks like there will be very little light or air circulation.

Looks nice and compact on the inside. Should be a good atmosphere, but anyone know what the plans are for the grass? Looks like there will be very little light or air circulation.

There should be enough light because the air bags on the roof are partly transparent. And the ceiling which consists of a kind of curtains are retractable. So, if there are no games the ceiling will be pulled back im order to let the sunlight shine through the transparent bags on the pitch.
The problem with air circulation is solved as follows. The space between the first and the second tier shold act as kind of a nozzel or injector which lets the air flow above the pitch.
Kind of clear?? :)

stuning :eek:

There should be enough light because the air bags on the roof are partly transparent. And the ceiling which consists of a kind of curtains are retractable. So, if there are no games the ceiling will be pulled back im order to let the sunlight shine through the transparent bags on the pitch.
The problem with air circulation is solved as follows. The space between the first and the second tier shold act as kind of a nozzel or injector which lets the air flow above the pitch.
Kind of clear?? :)

I remain a little sceptical if this will all work. I seem to remember the amsterdam arena was supposed to have a semi-translucent roof for this purpose, it doesn't work though. Fingers crossed, hope the pitch turns out to match the obvious quality of the stadium.

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_150305/5.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_150305/6.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/baustelle_150305/15.jpg

Deam it`s big!!!!!!!!!!!
Ain`t nothing like this in the whole world!

The covering on the inner side of the roof, is that gonna completly go round the stadium or not. Because from what I heard they used clear air cusions on some parts of the roof instead of white ones, to let sunlight through. But if that covering covers all of the inside then there is no purpose to the clear cusions.

The covering on the inner side of the roof, is that gonna completly go round the stadium or not. Because from what I heard they used clear air cusions on some parts of the roof instead of white ones, to let sunlight through. But if that covering covers all of the inside then there is no purpose to the clear cusions.

Those curtains on the inner side of the roof will cover the whole inner roof but they are retractable, so that the sunlight can shine on the pitch. They aren't retracted during games, though.
By the way, those curtains have an accoustic as well as an aesthetic function, too. They should help to keep the noise inside of the stadium to provide a more dense atmosphere and they should hide the steel construction of the roof. :)

New pics of a new Illumination test of the facade. Now the whole facade is illuminated.
Pics are from the Olympic Tower in Munich and from the AA Webcams

Check:
http://www.king-chimera.de/AArena3103

The power of the illumination is really amazing!

i think there are only 2 stadia in europe with 3 complete rings; nou camp and bernabeu (until new wembley isnt completed)

one could also say da luz had 3 rings, but i personally dont consider that little one in the middle as a full ring
http://www.nrk.no/img/327875.jpeg

At least 3 rings haves. A little vip 4th ring it`s not considered.


I think there are a few more with 3 complete tiers....and many with 3 tiers on all but one side....The Millennium Stadium, Twickenham, San Siro and Celtic Park to name a few!

Full 3 tier stadium in europe....

nou camp
bernabeu
da luz (Yes it is a Tier)
Stade de France
Estadio Santiago Bernabeu
Stadio delle Alpi?
Stadion Feijenoord?
Wembley (UC)
Emirates Stadium (UC)


Of course there are many more stadiums with only 2 tiers but with larger capacitys....like the Amstedam Arena!

You can also view some moving pictures of the test run taken from the Webcam installed on the Olympic Tower here (http://www.schlauchbootbuidl.de.vu).

^^Emirates Stadium doesn't have 3 full tiers.Yes there are 3 tiers,but the second one is way to small to be counted as a full tier.Otherwise Da Luz would have 4 tiers.

mmh..for me its like da Luz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/behindgoalturning.jpg

both have 3 tiers + a very small VIP tier

Allianz Arena a.k.a "the giant air mattress"!

^^Emirates Stadium doesn't have 3 full tiers.Yes there are 3 tiers,but the second one is way to small to be counted as a full tier.Otherwise Da Luz would have 4 tiers.

Of course it has full 3 tiers....look at it!

The same with the Allianz Arena....The top tier is small....but it still counts!

Of course it has full 3 tiers....look at it!

The same with the Allianz Arena....The top tier is small....but it still counts!

I think it's not fair to compare the tiny third tier of the Emirates Stadium with the third tier of the Allianz Arena. This is a "full" third tier. It has almost the same capacity than the first and the second tier. It can seat about 20.000 people.
For me Emirates has two "full" tiers.

Im not comparing anything....Im just stating facts....The Emirates stadium will have 3 'full' Tiers (whatever one of them is)....No matter how small or big!

OK. A discussion on that doesn't make sense anyway.
However, I'm looking forward to Bayerns new Stadium!!

Btw. The inside of the Emirates stadium looks very similar to Da Luz. Nothing new or innovative about this stadium... but I'm sure it'll fit the needs.

And Da Luz looks like many other stadiums....even the Allianz Arena...the only difference is the Middle bowl on the Allianz arena is bigger!

Btw. The inside of the Emirates stadium looks very similar to Da Luz. Nothing new or innovative about this stadium... but I'm sure it'll fit the needs.

And it belongs to Arsenal. No sharing with their city rivals. :okay:

Wow, it's sooooooooooooooooooooo gorgeous!!! (L)(L)(L)(F)(F)(K)

^^the second tier in the Emirates Stadium looks more like a add-on to me.I also visited the construction site and the second tier is just much smaller than any tier of for example the allianz-arena.emirates arena also has a smaller capacity than either Da luz or Allianz.It's still a great stadium though.

Allianz is class, pure German quality!!!

Allianz is class, pure German quality!!!

If you mean the Allianz Arena: it s not German quality but Swiss quality, regarding the architects :-)

And regarding the workers it's East Europe quality ;-)
No, honestly, I think that when it comes to such a huge project the competence of all kinds of people and countries must be used. Globalization!! :)

But it's a GERMAN project however!!

Did the architect also design a stadium for Basle in Switzerland?

Did the architect also design a stadium for Basle in Switzerland?

Yes. Herzog&De Meuron also designed the St. Jakob Park in Basel. Especially the facade of the St. Jakob Park is the predecessor of the facade of the Allianz arena.

The UFO has landed! :) :) :)

http://www.allianz-arena.de/pics/cam/m2/full_2.jpg?cache=1112802490

Hell ! this is definitely my favourite stadium. Well done Germany.

Will 1860 Munich be able to fill the Allianz Arena?

Will 1860 Munich be able to fill the Allianz Arena?

No, they won't. They're calculating with about 30 to 40 thousand people per game. When 1860 munich plays the third tier will be closed.

this is absolutely one of my fav stadiums in the world. Looks great in reality too.

Im still undecided on wheather I like this stadium or not!

Its either one of the greatest things ive seen....or one of the most stupid!


I guess i have to wait to see it in action!

^^^It's definitely worth a visit, just like the New Wembley will be too.
It's only until you've seen it live that you realize the sheer size of the stadium. I always feel that due to the air cushions the stadium looks smaller on pictures than it is in fact. It's hard to imagine the actual size of those air cushions.

I have to say I simply love this stadium.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/7.jpg

:drool: One of my favourites!!!! Herzog and deMouron did it again! :banana:

Here are some short videos of an illumination test from last week. :eek2:

Video1 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1224835/PDRM0493.AVI.html)
Video2 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1225001/PDRM0494.AVI.html)
Video3 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1225096/PDRM0495.AVI.html) Video4 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1225274/PDRM0496.AVI.html)
Video5 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1225719/PDRM0497.AVI.html)
Video6 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1225945/PDRM0502.AVI.html)
Video7 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1226129/PDRM0503.AVI.html)
Video8 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1226475/PDRM0505.AVI.html)

Click on the link => scroll down => click on "free" button => then you have to wait some seconds until you can click on the link for download to start

Enjoy!!

One more vid:

Video1 (http://rapidshare.de/files/1252367/PDRM0509.AVI.html)
Great!!

PS: The lawn will be laid tomorrow!! :) :)

The first game in the new Arena is coming closer... and the lawn is laid. It took only two days.
Have a look at the webcam at http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/webc/index.php

:) :) :)

the most beutiful, inside and out, arena in the world.. seriously, this is a masterpiece

It's weird.Is Allianz derived from alien?If it is, good name cuz the stadium looks futuristic.

It's weird.Is Allianz derived from alien?If it is, good name cuz the stadium looks futuristic.

Nope.....Its an insurance company!

Classy stadium. Much better exterior than the new Wembley, which frankly is quite ugly from the outside. The seats are also a lot better than the new wembley(there'a also the same amount of space for spectors), and the stands are much closer to the pitch, giving fans a better view. Whether it'll be better than the new Wembley is another matter, one I won't be able to decide until I see them both after completion.

Luverly stadium, no doubt.

This'll be so great. Its a proper football stadium. whilst the old Olypmic Stadium was amazing architecturally, it is shit in terms of atmosphere. Watching the recent Champions League game between Chelsea and Bayern on TV, it just seemed lifeless, with the crowd too far back. This stadium will be an absolute cauldron, a real intimidating place for away teams to visit!

It's weird.Is Allianz derived from alien?If it is, good name cuz the stadium looks futuristic.

German uses Latin characters and pronounciation. The "a" is always pronounced like in the word "art" and never like in "and" or "alien". Likewise the "i" is always pronounced like in "intern" and never like in "iron".

It's weird.Is Allianz derived from alien?If it is, good name cuz the stadium looks futuristic.

Though Ive already answered your question....you think Aliens are the future?

How long till the outer shell thing is totally completed?????

as far as i know, the outher shell is totally completed.
today the letters on the shell were installed.

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/schriftzugsued_190405/4.jpg

looks great!
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/schriftzugsued_190405/6.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/rasen_140405/17.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/rasen_140405/15.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/rasen_140405/14.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/rasen_140405/12.jpg

This is such a wicked stadium, love it to bits, from the outside atleast :).

im perplexed.
inside it looks like a bigger version of the butt ugly 'borussiapark'

I kind of agree. The exterior is spectacular. The roof also looks very innovative but the interior looks somewhat plain and basic.It seems partly due to the neutral grey colour scheme and partly due to it being a 3 equal tier bowl. The seats themselves look good.
Even though the interior design looks a little lacking in terms of visual flair, it looks like its going to be an awesome stadium.

the exterior is espectacular :eek:

Why a big fence around the pitch???

to protect the fans from olli kahn

I don't like it that much. The outside is pretty ugly when the lights are off and the inside is way too dull. It would have been nicer if the seats were colored. No circus or something, but like all the same color, or just two different colors.

Then I like new stadiums like Estadio do Dragao, Estadio da Luz or probably the Emirates stadium a lot better!

Why a big fence around the pitch???

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


WTF is a fence doing there in a 21st century stadium...take that shit out....they cant be a 5* stadium with that in place!

Roof looks great from the outside...crap on the inside!

Seat coulour sucks but cant argue because two teams share it and they cant have one teams coulour and not the others....the they went for neutral 'German Grey'....take a look at your Dulex colour chart....its in there 'German Grey'.

Just hope that fence is out soon aye! :dance2:

im perplexed.
inside it looks like a bigger version of the butt ugly 'borussiapark'

sorry dude but i can't see any similarities to the "borussia park" of borussia moenchengladbach.

http://www.bundesliga.de/imperia/md/images/vereine/stadionfotos/66.jpg
Borussia Park

According to the fence:
the fence like you can see on the pics is only installed when it comes to games which are rated as "high risky" (whatever that means).
During normal games (which should be 95% of all games), the fence is only half as high as u can see it here.

I also would love to see this thing without ANY fences, but tell it to the UEFA...

Tell that to UEFA....isnt it them who dislike fences around pitches.....

some Compulsory requirements for inclusion in the UEFA Stadia List

1) Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5 star venues) or 30,000 (4 star venues)
2) All seats must be individual with backrests
3) Playing pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m
4) Minimum distances between the playing field boundaries and the retaining wall: Sidelines 6m, Goal lines 7,5m
5) No perimeter fencing around the playing area

sorry dude but i can't see any similarities to the "borussia park" of borussia moenchengladbach.

what about now:
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/rasen_140405/17.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Borussia-Park8.jpg?

that to say the borussiapark is maybe the ugliest new construction in europe

well you must agree that it takes SOMETHING to seperate the pitch from the fans..and i'm not talking about high walls or 2-meter fences.
take a closer look at the pictures above and you will see that - with the fence half as high - it is no big deal. perhaps they could have made it some inches smaller, but in the end i wouldn't call it perimeter fencing as you might be used to from other stadiums.

take a look at old trafforf, for example (another 5-star stadium)
it's the absolute same with the AA, but only you don't notice it the way you do in the AA, because the seats are lower to the ground and the advertising is directly in front of it during the game
http://manunited.airmode.de/oldtrafford_035.jpg

i guess you accord to the seats, but actually they are some sort of green in the borussia park , also u don't see this very good on the pics

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/images/west_04.jpg

but okay, even the seats in the BP were grey, it would be the only similarity that i can see.

maybe the BP is not the most beautyful stadium in the world, but for the amount of money they spent for it (don't know the exact number) it's an acceptable stadium.
but anyway, thats not the point here...i'm drifting away.. :)

The comparison with Borussia is highly ludicrous... but i'll guess you already knew that.

How many of you have seen the real thing from the "ugly" outside ? Not to many, i think. Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but i'd be most surprised if the overwhelming majority of real(!) visitors would share that point of view (even during daylight). You haven't even seen half of the whole ensemble (like the green parking garage)...
So someone just has to add some grey/silver seats, an overcast day... and suddenly the whole thing is transformed into a dull mess... interesting concept.


Then I like new stadiums like Estadio do Dragao, Estadio da Luz or probably the Emirates stadium a lot better!

So your No.1 priory is colour of the seats ? You don't care about flatness of the tiers, moats, distance to pitch or if in reality the whole stadium is just some sectors for general admittance built around corporate and club seating (and it shows) ?
You would choose Ashburton Grove with that ridiculous flat lower tier and the club seating ring over Munich just because the seats in London are red ?
We have some wonderful green toned seats here in the Olympic stadium, very stylish if you like that... does this make it a great venue ? No, it's still utter crap for football.

The fencing is removable, but as the new owner has to check all the gadgets, the construction company installed it. It will be taken off as soon as the stadium has been handed over.

Wow! Amazing! Maybe it's a little boring from the inside, but it looks really closed, like people is close to the football field. This is good for visitors teams ;) They will feel the breath of the local team suporters very near!

You would choose Ashburton Grove with that ridiculous flat lower tier and the club seating ring over Munich just because the seats in London are red ?

I wouldnt say Ashburton Grove is better (as you so nicely put it the lowest tier has a rather low gradient) but the interior might well end up being nicer looking than that of the Allianz Arena,whether its down to pretty Arsenal coloured seats the curvier shape the different sized tiers or the finishing of the roof.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/10oclock.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/behindgoalturning.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/corner.jpg

Still as you say there are other important things to be taken into consideration i.e the quality of the views, the pitch and of course the atmosphere produced when its full of Bayern Munich fans, 1860 Munich fans or German International team fans.

Well, i don't know really think the imhomogenity concerning the size of the tiers does contribute to the aesthetic value of a venue. Even then, the tiers of the AA are different, with the 3rd tier being considerably smaller and curved (although somewhat less). Then all these potentially positive aspects at Asburton Grove are offset by the disruptive club level (i don't like this new trend in stadia design, building a stadium around corporate boxes, not the other way round) and gradient of the lower tier (can't say much about the distance to the pitch, although it doesn't seem to be maxed out).. not mentioning the existance of the 'orginial' in Lisboa (although that's no big negative, being an excellent design) .
And if the stadium is packed, there will still be a flat lower tier with its awful sight-lines and this horrendous dominant club level, whereas in Munich the presumably dull grey seating happily dissappears.

And if the stadium is packed, there will still be a flat lower tier with its awful sight-lines.
At Highbury there are equally flat maybe even flatter tiers but providing your view isnt obstructed by pillars or a large upper tier that overlaps a lower tier, the sightlines are fine. Ashburton Grove doesnt have obstructing pillars or a large upper tier that overlaps a lower tier so the view should be fine.
As for the club level I dont think its is obstructive.
At the end of the day you prefer the look of the interior of The Allianz arena, I prefer the look of the Ashburton Grove interior, which is fortunate really because you support one of the Munich teams (not sure which one) and I support The Arsenal.

Me I actually prefer the inside of the AA...and the outside of the Emirates stadium!

Carl, certainly you've just adopted to the bad sightlines at the Library via "active viewing"... but certainly it's no ideal situation (that's plain and simple trigonometry) esp. considering the proposed modernity and comfort of Ashburton Grove, so i would expect some improvement.
I don't think the at OG club level is per se obstructive, it's just that they don't even try to hide the fact that the emphasis has shifted so massively from general admittance/ordinary fans to corporate customers.
Maybe you will think differently as soon as the lower tier at AG is in place, i can hardly believe anyone would prefer this anachronism to the AA, even if it offers nice red seats.

Every seat of the Emirates stadium is fully cushioned *thumbs up smilie*

It is soooooooooooo gorgeous!

Carl, certainly you've just adopted to the bad sightlines at the Library via "active viewing"... but certainly it's no ideal situation (that's plain and simple trigonometry) esp. considering the proposed modernity and comfort of Ashburton Grove, so i would expect some improvement.
I don't think the at OG club level is per se obstructive, it's just that they don't even try to hide the fact that the emphasis has shifted so massively from general admittance/ordinary fans to corporate customers.
Maybe you will think differently as soon as the lower tier at AG is in place, i can hardly believe anyone would prefer this anachronism to the AA, even if it offers nice red seats.

If Highbury is a Library it is more likely due to the 4 seperate stands without filled in corners rather than the gradient of the lower tier of the East and West stands.
The new Arsenal stadium has strict height restrictions imposed on it hence the low gradient of the bottom tier. I have said it before but I will say it again as it didnt quite register the first time but here goes. I dont agree that the Ashburton Grove stadium is a better stadium than the Allianz Arena , but to me the interior does look better.
I think the higher gradiant of the bottom tier of the AA makes for a better viewing experience. Still given all the care and attention thats been paid to the AA its surpising how dull the interior looks.
Your irritation at the 7000 club seats seems a bit odd.There are still 53000 seats elsewhere for fans and there are no gradiant issues with the top tier.As for the bottom tier we will not know til it is in use.
I think Allianz arena is a great venue for all the 3 teams that it will host,but Ashburton Grove is the home of Arsenal and Arsenal only. It has a smaller capacity,a lower gradient bottom tier but is smack bang in the middle of its traditional urban fanbase.Surrounded by its supporters homes, its pubs, clubs, shops, traffic and life and not built in what looks like the middle of a motorway in the middle of nowhere. To be in such an area it has had to make compromises in areas where the Allianz Arena has not.
So pardon me if I disagree with youre assumption that I prefer Ashburton Grove purely because of its Arsenal coloured seats.
Still this is off topic. The Allianz arena is going to be a landmark stadium.

Awesome, a work of art!

@carlspannard

You cannot know of course, but the AA is not in the middle of nowhere. It's about 5 to 10 km away from the center of Munich. And it can be reached by public transport. And it will be the main part of a new entertainment area with many discos and pubs which is planned to be built right next to the AA.
Of course it's not in the middle of the city like Ashburton Grove but it also isn't in the middle of nowhere. :)

I have said it before but I will say it again as it didnt quite register the first time but here goes. I dont agree that the Ashburton Grove stadium is a better stadium than the Allianz Arena , but to me the interior does look better.

Yes, that because looks is not an objective criteria, we can on agree on that. But it's funcionality is doubtful.


I think the higher gradiant of the bottom tier of the AA makes for a better viewing experience. Still given all the care and attention thats been paid to the AA its surpising how dull the interior looks.
Your irritation at the 7000 club seats seems a bit odd.There are still 53000 seats elsewhere for fans and there are no gradiant issues with the top tier.As for the bottom tier we will not know til it is in use.

You have seen the pictures from the construction site, i think we can extrapolate on that, i don't think it will get any better (funcionality-wise).
IMHO the clubs seats are dominating the stadium and make over 10% of the total capacity, that's a little bit too much for me.
As for the colour of the seats, that was the logical choice: blue or red are club colours respectively, we are fed up with green (thanks to Mr Behnisch's marvelous concrete bowl) and white isn't very service friendly.
So you end up with silver.


I think Allianz arena is a great venue for all the 3 teams that it will host,but Ashburton Grove is the home of Arsenal and Arsenal only. It has a smaller capacity,a lower gradient bottom tier but is smack bang in the middle of its traditional urban fanbase.Surrounded by its supporters homes, its pubs, clubs, shops, traffic and life and not built in what looks like the middle of a motorway in the middle of nowhere. To be in such an area it has had to make compromises in areas where the Allianz Arena has not.

First of all, your assumptions are not accurate: surprisingly it's not in the middle of nowhere. Actually it's offering the best of several worlds: efficient transport of individuals and groups arriving by car, good public transport (which will rapidly take you to your beloved pubs and shops), nice and lavish landshape for those who like to take a hike.
I don't think a mere 5 Minutes extra traveling time via subway (compared to the Olympic Stadium) make this a hellhole in the desert, especially if the local council is working furiously to develop that part of the city (a numbers of excellent clubs and pubs will open next year).
But I still don't get the argument here, we know about the restrictions on AG... it's not that Arsenal wanted to build that kind lower tier... although there is a logic in it, that does not make it any better, it's still disappointingly flat, and even if looks ok, it's functionality is therefore impaired.


So pardon me if I disagree with youre assumption that I prefer Ashburton Grove purely because of its Arsenal coloured seats.

No, i just find it odd. I know if it had been the other way round i would prefer the AA in London.

Yes, that because looks is not an objective criteria, we can on agree on that. But it's funcionality is doubtful.

You doubt the functionality. Arsenal football club and the architects of the Stadium do not.

IMHO the clubs seats are dominating the stadium and make over 10% of the total capacity, that's a little bit too much for me.
Luckily the stadium isnt being built for you.

As for the colour of the seats, that was the logical choice: blue or red are club colours respectively, we are fed up with green (thanks to Mr Behnisch's marvelous concrete bowl) and white isn't very service friendly.
So you end up with silver.

Which as some people have remarked, has contributed to the interior looking somewhat boring.

First of all, your assumptions are not accurate: surprisingly it's not in the middle of nowhere..
I didnt assume anything. I actually said "what looks like" rather than "what is".The fact you say "surprisingly" suggests you agree.


No, i just find it odd. I know if it had been the other way round i would prefer the AA in London.

Well there you go. If you were an Arsenal fan you would happily make the compromise of sharing the stadium with your city rivals and your countries national team. For you a lower gradiant bottom tier is an unnacceptable compromise.
For me sharing a stadium with our local rivals and designing it in such a way that 2 club teams and an international team can share it is an unnacceptable compromise.
Luckily you dont support Arsenal, and I dont support Bayern Munich, 1860 Munich or the German International team.

You doubt the functionality. Arsenal football club and the architects of the Stadium do not.

I beg to differ, no architect would say that AG offers first class sightlines (as well as being an original design).

I didnt assume anything. I actually said "what looks like" rather than "what is".The fact you say "surprisingly" suggests you agree.

No, it's just me being sarcastic.

Well there you go. If you were an Arsenal fan you would happily make the compromise of sharing the stadium with your city rivals and your countries national team. For you a lower gradiant bottom tier is an unnacceptable compromise.
For me sharing a stadium with our local rivals and designing it in such a way that 2 club teams and an international team can share it is an unnacceptable compromise.

But as an die-hard traditionalist you like that Emirates deal... ?
Ground sharing has a long tradition in Munich, ground sharing was a politcal prerequisite (just like kicking out the old businesses from AG), i can't see any big drawbacks there... stadium is paid up quicker which means no obscenely high ticket prices, more money for my club and his core business, no Kylie concerts and if the only compromise is the colours of the seats and sometimes a bad pitch ... that's ok for me, nobody could say the AA is designed around the concept of groundsharing, that's just nonsensical.
All those rabid discussions about ownership...in reality every new "owner" shares his ground with the financing institutions, in your case NordBank et al.

But as an die-hard traditionalist you like that Emirates deal... ?
Ground sharing has a long tradition in Munich, ground sharing was a politcal prerequisite (just like kicking out the old businesses from AG), i can't see any big drawbacks there... stadium is paid up quicker which means no obscenely high ticket prices, more money for my club and his core business, no Kylie concerts and if the only compromise is the colours of the seats and sometimes a bad pitch ... that's ok for me, nobody could say the AA is designed around the concept of groundsharing, that's just nonsensical.
All those rabid discussions about ownership...in reality every new "owner" shares his ground with the financing institutions, in your case NordBank et al.
I personally would prefer Arsenal to be able to raise 100 million pounds in a different way but having a company sponsor your stadium is something that many football clubs have decided to do.Ideally there would be no sponsoring of shirts neither.
To find ground sharing unnacceptable is not regarded as Die Hard traditionalist in England. It is the norm. If London followed the example of Munich, Arsenal and Tottenham could share Wembley.For many reasons thats a compromise neither 3 parties would want to make.
Munich football teams make their compromises and so do teams in London, but in different ways.
Can we make this clear. No Londoner or Arsenal fan on this thread has suggested that Ashburton Grove is a superior stadium. A Dutch Feyenoord supporter did. It was also a German (who very possibly could be a Bayern Munich fan) who originally raised the subject of the ugliness of the Allianz Arenas interior by making unfavourable comments regarding the similiarity in appearance between the Allianz Arena and the "butt ugly" as he put it Borussiapark.
We have now ended up in a rather pointless discusion as to whether Ashburton Grove is a better or worse stadium than the Allianz Arena. Maybe someone should start a separate thread for that subject, but its not one that I would bother posting in.

Every seat of the Emirates stadium is fully cushioned *thumbs up smilie*
Whats that got to do with the Allianz Arena? :bash:

Yes, Carl. I think this part of the discussion led nowhere.
Just to make my point: it's very hard to argue about style... it gets even worse if this judgement is influenced by details and some questionable criteria which in reality do not alter the stadium per se, groundsharing does not degrade a venue, it does not change the nature of the building.
Once again, i don't think AG is a mess... just somewhat dissapointing, i think Arsenal deserved a tad better. Likewise prior to 2001 i would have accepted the butt ugly Borussiapark as an replacement for the Olympic Stadium any time.
You become somewhat humble after years of fighting for a new venue... now we are just overwhelmed (and a little bit shocked) by our new shiny toy.

Whats that got to do with the Allianz Arena? :bash:

Well they was discussing the stadium seats!


And anyhoo you've been part of many a discussion on here comparing the Allianz to Wembley!

I wouldnt say Ashburton Grove is better (as you so nicely put it the lowest tier has a rather low gradient) but the interior might well end up being nicer looking than that of the Allianz Arena,whether its down to pretty Arsenal coloured seats the curvier shape the different sized tiers or the finishing of the roof.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/10oclock.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/behindgoalturning.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/corner.jpg

Still as you say there are other important things to be taken into consideration i.e the quality of the views, the pitch and of course the atmosphere produced when its full of Bayern Munich fans, 1860 Munich fans or German International team fans.
that stadium looks like Da Luz stadium in Lisbon :uh: the interior is in fact quit better than the interior of Allianz Arena!!

http://scifi.pages.at/abbafan/aa_vs_es.gif
Voila

Alianz Arena = Purple
Emirates Stadium = Red

Lol, that Allianz Arena is just so horrible... You simply have to love it :D

Definitely not my favourite stadium

Has anyone noticed how shallow the lower tier is?

Has anyone noticed how shallow the lower tier is?

You are talking about the Emirates Stadium? In contrast to that the Allianz Arena has a steep lower tier.

Stadium architecture is becoming so generic i feel sick

Please, explain!

looks cozy

Uhm.. back to topic - some fresh pictures, now that the outside is complete and therefore completely illuminated!

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_220405/4.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_220405/5.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_220405/2.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_220405/3.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/lichttest_220405/10.jpg

Even those who don't like the look have to admit: It's the most extraordinary Stadium in the world! ;)

And I fell in love... can't wait to see it myself. I even like it at daylight. Very nice look!
You really don't get the rights dimensions of this stadium by looking at pictures. It looks smaller than it is. Standing in front of this glowing, red ... huge thing will be impressive!

Nah....I wouldnt say the most extaordinary...but its up there with the likes of

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/canada/quebec/montreal_olympic1.jpg


And to get the size of a stadium....I always look for people in photos then compare it to whatever!

Simply breathtaking!! definitely the most extraordinary stadium in the world!

Hey giorgos, what do you want to tell us with this statement??

Stadium architecture is becoming so generic i feel sick

Of course, nothing measures up to Athens' Olympic Stadium. :|

http://scifi.pages.at/sweetness_n_light/album4/aa2.JPG

This picture above was made from the munich olympic park last saturday.

the pics below show the munich olympic park / the olympic stadium itself (last saturday)

http://scifi.pages.at/sweetness_n_light/album4/oly1.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/sweetness_n_light/album4/oly2.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/sweetness_n_light/album4/oly3.JPG

all these pics can be found on http://www.schlauchbootbuidl.de.vu/

although i love the new arena, i have to say that the Olympic Stadium -and the whlole park area surrounding it - is an absolutely beautiful place ..
of course it's not the best football stadium, but it was a piece of art when it was built in the 70s and it still is today.

some pics of the olympia-park:
http://www.reiseagentur.de/Travelogs/MUC/City/jpeg/0140.jpg
http://www.genius-foto.de/fotowettbewerb-bilder/wasner-stjerzy-0705222524small.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/baustelle_260405/13.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/baustelle_260405/12.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/baustelle_260405/9.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/800x600/baustelle_260405/8.jpg

Looks great, i don't like the outside design, but from the inside it's awsome

Munich has the two nicest stadiums of Germany imo.

definitely something to be proud of

another superb picture:

AA (http://www.m-h-h.com/arena.jpg)

Whens the first game being played there?

Looks great, i don't like the outside design, but from the inside it's awsome

I have exactly the opposite opinion : the exterior is really great, the interior isn't bad but has nothing out of the ordinary

@Mikeyraw

A first test will be made on May 19th. Traditional teams of bayern and 1860 will meet for a test run in front of a limited number of spectators (30.000).

After this test the grand opening of 1860 will take place on May 30th with several show acts and a game between 1860 and nuremberg. German Television will broadcast this event for 6,5 hours live (Bayern 3).

One Day later on May 31th Bayern will have it's opening with a game against the german national team and of course seversal show acts too (f.e. seal). This event will be broadcasted live in german television too (ZDF).

Both games are of course totally sold out.

For this reason another game between 1860 and Bayern will take place at the new arena on June 2nd.

1860 v Nuremburg? Is that a league game, playoff final or just a friendly? I noticed 1860 are 4th in the bundesliga 2, are there playoffs or do the top 3 just go up?

All those games mentioned above are friendlies.

I don't think that 1860 will reach place number 3 of the 2nd bundesliga this season. there are one a few games left and 1860 ist 4 points behind frankfurt (place number 3).

http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/down/bild/index.php


http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/39.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/40.jpg

So what will become of Munich Olympic Stadium? I presume they won't tear it down, it's still quite beautiful, but who will use it now that the city's two main football clubs have left? :)

I guess the Olympc Stadium will be used for athletic events, concerts and all kind of open air events.

Some new pictures, taken on Mai 4th 2005 (© allianz-arena.de)
http://allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/luftbilder_040505/21.jpg
http://allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/luftbilder_040505/13.jpg

Even more high resolution pics! :)

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/aussenbilder_040505/4.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/aussenbilder_040505/3.jpg

More here:
Allianz Arena (http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/news//12414.php)

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/bildstrecke/946/52894/image_fmbg_0_38-1115826488.jpghttp://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/bildstrecke/946/52894/image_fmbg_0_3.jpg
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/bildstrecke/946/52894/image_fmbg_0_17.jpghttp://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/bildstrecke/946/52894/image_fmbg_0_31.jpg

i have just had a thought....what if you are a fat knacker? your ass wont fit in the seats due to the little turny uppy bits on the side of the seat!

god what a nightmare for 90mins

LOL

And looking at the top pic of Zizus last post...im hoping that wasnt taken between 3-5pm

Those shadows will be a nightmare to play in and watch them play in!

@ eddy
Those shadows won't be there during games because the ceiling is gonna be closed. It's open when there are no games to provide the pitch with more sunlight.

@brummad
Good point :)
And considering that the VIPs, for whom these seats are made for, find their way to them via escalators and not via ordinary stairs just like the normal fan, there's no chance for them to loose any weight on the way! :) Bad thing

definitiv das schönste 2.liga stadion

http://www.allianz-arena.de/impinc/fotogalerie/20222.php?actpos=24
the new pics.

I love this stadium. I don't like to admit this but it is on a different planet to the new Wembley Stadium. Yes it has the arch but the actual exterior of the stadium is nothing out of the ordinary. Looks just like all the corporate headquarters in London ie glass. Whereas the exterior of the Allianz Arena is totally unique and looks quite simply stunning especially at night. The only thing i can liken it to is the Eden project.

So it's done?
It looks great!
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/bildstrecke/946/52894/image_fmbg_0_17.jpg
Just imagine all these seats filled, 22 players on the field, and 90 minutes of great football in a great ambiance in a great stadium!
well I hope so, at least

dont forget the 4 inch dimple in you butt cheeks as you leave the stadium. lol

beautiful. ok, its no wembley ;) but its utter class. Germany are a rightful host for the world cup, and this a fantastic stadium for the perfect final (my fantasy Germany 2 England 4, lol)

http://www.tsv1860.de/1860_slideshow/data/1860_wallpaper/arena_2005_blau_800.jpg
the first game will be in two days!

@Xander
Too sad that the final won't be in Munich but in Berlin :cry:
Allianz Arena is far better suited for football than Berlin Olympic Stadium

^oh is it? damn, i thought it was here. oh well, itl hav to b englan winning in Berlin then!!!

Westfalenstadion has the best atmosphere ,it´s better than munich and berlin for me.

^^^
How can you judge the atmosphere of a stadium where there hasn't been only one game??

@Xander
Final Germany -England would be nice, but with a differentv result :)

http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/media/images/fotogalerie/pre_opening/pre_opening6_dpa_190505.jpghttp://www.tsv1860.de/1860_slideshow/data/derby_19052005_spiel/28.jpg

http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/media/images/fotogalerie/pre_opening/pre_opening10_ddp_190505.jpghttp://www.tsv1860.de/1860_slideshow/data/derby_19052005_spiel/07.jpg
http://www.tsv1860.de/1860_slideshow/data/derby_19052005_spiel/05.jpg
stunning!

more allianz arena (opening)
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020582.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020520.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020537.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020554.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020576.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020578.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020592.JPG
ok 2 big pics now! Amazing..
http://www.ib-opatz.de/xtra/exkarlibua/exkarl_img/preop/w/050519w-HPIM5909.JPG
http://www.ib-opatz.de/xtra/exkarlibua/exkarl_img/preop/w/050519w-HPIM5917.JPG
http://scifi.pages.at/mikiberenyi/album2/P1020564.JPG

Now you can give your opinion.

the opening is in 10 days,sry.Yesterday there was a test run,only 30.000 could visit the match that ended 3-2 for the 1860 team.
stadionwelt gallery:http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=neubau&umbau_id=9&ordner=20050519

@magick
Please delete all links concerning the scifi.pages.at/ domain, no direct linking to my images.
For comfortable access to all my photos from the pre-opening of the Allianz-Arena please visit www.schlauchbootbuidl.de.vu

For me this is THE perfect football-stadium.
Look at the pitch, ah it's so gorgeous.

http://scifi.pages.at/sweetness_n_light/album7/

:drool: Amazing stadium!

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/jpg/9.jpg

looks a little bit like a raspberry :D
http://www.j-herting.de/Bonbon/himbeer_b.jpg

Pics, Pics, Pics and more Pics!! Wow!!
New high resolution pics on the site

http://www.allianz-arena.de


http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/testlauf_190505/11.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/testlauf_190505/12.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/testlauf_190505/3.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/bildschirmbilder/1024x768/testlauf_190505/5.jpg

--> today is the official opening of the arena with 1860 munich playing vs nuremberg.
Tomorrow it's Bayern's first appearance there when they face the german national team.