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That last pic makes me laugh- spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on an exclusie pad at luxurious NPV- So exclusive that even after paying a shit load of £££ we still wont let you on the grass :)

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great photo, was never convinced by this development and now I know why!

hehe it looks like something out of hongkong or shanghai

The old thread has passed 500 posts, time for a new one methinks :cheers:

The Ontario Tower, New Providence Wharf
Height: 104m
Floors: 32
Developer: Ballymore Properties Ltd
Architect: SOM

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic1.jpg


Picture taken today:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2404/ontario3dx.jpg

Mods please close this thread

it continues here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=335205

Nice picture that, shows the contrast between Ontario and Billingsgate market, and how Ontario will relate to the slope in the building to the right. Will be a good location to see it from when completed.

Cladding looks much better too.

:lock:

May just be the angle of the rendering but everything looks very squashed together there.

it really is that dense there. just wait till they drop the office building for a second resi tower.

Shaping up to be a nice tower and it forms a nice peak to the cluster but I wouldnt want to live in it bar the top few floors. It looks awfully close to that square building on the left, I'd be interested to know what the distance between the 2 is but it does seem incredibly close.

The Reuters Towers to the left will make this even more dense. Nice little cluster shaping up down there.

it really is that dense there. just wait till they drop the office building for a second resi tower.

Goth is that an informed piece of news or just your opinion???

^^ yeah, what office building, how tll is it?

The office building is the one at the bottom of the rendering. It's the curved one similar to the hotel under construction next to Ontario Tower.

There is a rendering doing the rounds where this office building has been replaced with a tower of similar height to Ontario, which I guess is residential seeing how popular that is at the moment.

its informed opinion :) they will dump the office element for a further residential tower. theyd be mad not to given how well these sold.
larven - i have the floorplans for this and i wouldnt live on any floor because they aer so tiny. the tower might look good curved but the living room is at its widest only 12 feet and it narrows to about an average of 7 feet wide!

the hotel part of the devlopment should have been dropped, it is so ridclously close to the tower you could almost jump from one building to the other, I believe Goth is correct in saying that there will be another tower in front of this one, probably a little shorter though

mikey, the hotel element is quite important to the development because hotels offer facilities such as a gym and restaurants and some people who live here do care about that. also the hotel and tower share an atrium.

Couple of pics taken from Poplar the other day.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h126/wildheart99/100_0129_.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h126/wildheart99/100_0130_.jpg

people who buy apartments in the lower part of the tower (especially facing the hotel) are idiots.

mikey, the hotel element is quite important to the development because hotels offer facilities such as a gym and restaurants and some people who live here do care about that. also the hotel and tower share an atrium.

Yes but its just soooooooo dark on the eastern side :)

i know. do you remember me about three years ago attacking the area for that and picking out this and discovery dock? hell i even posted renderings of it looking up and wondering why the fuck anyone would buy a flat in those places. some people have more money than sense i guess.

Ah well those flats down there are probably social housing so the developers dont give a toss...

Got some piccies today, not brillant but....
The cladding hasn't moved on much as you can see
http://i2.************/ve2bl2.jpg
Showing the overall buiulding, with some sort of curve visible...
http://i2.************/ve2c1h.jpg

not much point in posting the others, didn't realise other pictures had been taken so recently!

Yes! The floors have reached the top of the smaller core, so now the slope should extend between the two...that arch must be part of that.

The arch is the 'Arm' of the concrete pump, however yes they have done floor 23, the top of the stair core
(where i took pics from in November) so the next bit should be interesting ;)

Is is? lucky concrete looks like it is going for a fairground ride. Why do they do that?

i know. do you remember me about three years ago attacking the area for that and picking out this and discovery dock? hell i even posted renderings of it looking up and wondering why the fuck anyone would buy a flat in those places. some people have more money than sense i guess.


whats wrong with discovery dock and its light?

whats wrong with discovery dock and its light?

The fact thatthey have crammed as many flats as possible on the plot & that you would get very little natural light in most of the development (and there will be even less if they do there proposed future develop in the SE corner). The fact thats its not very nicely designed & dont deserve the 300k+ they went for.

Makes me laugh actually...for less money, just over the way you could by a four bedroom ex local authority semi with front and back gardens and room to swing all my cats at the same time.

Still a phat building tho.

16/04/2006

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Very cook that first pic darjole-

that view should look very dense when (if) they buld the reuter tower/development on that car park- Plus the Elektron development on the other sideof the dlr tracks (which launches in 2 weeks)

can someone repost the image of npw with that other unbuilt tower in it as ill be buggered if i can find it. i want to add it to my model.

http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org/images/020705084945.jpg

thats the one. couldnt remember the orientation. :)

Is the other tower taller?

its further away from city airport so it could be a couple of metres taller but not by much

thats the one. couldnt remember the orientation. :)

I have that problem all the time......lol

what do you know about this then....are there detailed plans or is it just a massing thing?

massing thing... i expect we'll get a semi circular tower like west india quay of about 100m. now ive done that building westferry circus is next i think, or perhaps galleons quay. only 18 to go!

What are you doing???

Making a model or computer model of proposals?

ive been doing a model of the isle of dogs for years gradually adding buildings to it. its now reaching its final stage :) you can see new providence wharf and elektron in the far east. of course i have the michigan building and reuters hq plus reuters wharf to add to it around there but that should be easy.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/dump/wharf.jpg
each of these blocks shows the location and height of a building or complex ive done so far. there's 72 buildings so far modelled, i have about 15 more to go mostly lowrise and then just the council blocks which are easy because they are almost all identical. i plan on expanding this a little bit further to the west and south though so it takes in the entire isle of dogs so it will be 9 tiles, this is four at the moment. once it's got all the proposals done ill put it together from various angles and do elevational cut-throughs.

Brilliant visual interperatation there Gothic. Nicely done, shows clearly the development and desnsity of CW!
Am I correct in saying Wood Wharf is not present?

:)

Even just from that massing model (which great btw) you can tell Canary Wharf will probably be the dullest flatest skyline in existence.

Damm City Airport.

Fair enough DarLo, I agree but this may in a wierd way attract more tennants to this area. Tenants may be seeking a high class district with a low key profile!

Thats fantastic....and it has other great possibilities!

If you update it regulary with proposals, approvals and constructions or no goes, you can do a time lapse of the site over the years and watch them all come and go. You could have different colours for all the stages and perhaps a final replica of each tower when it is built....and a different colour for destroyed buildings as they get hit by the planes from city airport!

Brilliant visual interperatation there Gothic. Nicely done, shows clearly the development and desnsity of CW!
Am I correct in saying Wood Wharf is not present?

:)


Wood wharf is there at the far right (the small cylindrical tower that is just under the dome, on the other side of the river) directly over the river from the dome hotel

Even just from that massing model (which great btw) you can tell Canary Wharf will probably be the dullest flatest skyline in existence.

Damm City Airport.

But that is not entirely CA's fault. Eventually, yes, every thing could be the same height, but there's nothing stopping developers making even a remotely interesting shape out of a building without being a box

woodwharf is present apart from the lower-rise buildings on the eastern edge. im already gonna do it starting off with the earliest buildings and render four angles for every year. every block on there has already been modelled in detail! these blocks simply show the absolute placing for the borders of each model (including invisible negative intersects).

ok...this is going to be fun!

Ballymore have requested I purchase an apartment in the tower via email.

Once I stopped laughing at the size of the apartments (its back to the 60's tower block again) I decided to paste it here four you lovely guys!

http://ballymore.lineindustries.net/site/bally_development_search.php?development_id=32&search_item=1&result_num=9&imageNum=8&view_detail=178

Add to wish list???!!! - i dont think so ha ha, although it does face the city and is just above Npw I think just about :)
What is good is that only 9 properties are still unsold.

Ballymore have requested I purchase an apartment in the tower via email.

Once I stopped laughing at the size of the apartments (its back to the 60's tower block again) I decided to paste it here four you lovely guys!

http://ballymore.lineindustries.net/site/bally_development_search.php?development_id=32&search_item=1&result_num=9&imageNum=8&view_detail=178

420 000 euros for 30m² and the vibrancy of Thamesmead?

I went to Thamesmead once...people are very friendly...they hailed me with a traditional dialect of greeting from cars , um Yer blek barrrrssted! It was quite nice actually

(that was below the belt of me and I apologise)

Yeas, what a delightful little hovel Thamesmead is!

Saw this in the flesh today, and it's certainly going to add some bulk and density to the skyline. Quite visible from the docks. The cladding looks not superb but not bad, but obviously can't judge till it's finished.

Didn't get a chance to get a good shot of it.

Well I did get this pic. You can see what I mean about it's appearance on the skyline now more easily, particularly from the East.

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/7342/trip15te.jpg

Yeah, in terms of its effect on the Docklands skyline, that's probably the best place to see it, since it looks taller than it really is, and helps to stretch the cluster north.

If you want a fabulous view of this underconstruction with the Canary Wharf skyline backdrop try looking at it from the south I think it is. From the A13. Brill views from there :yes:

Gothic, what is the building that is glued to the dome on your model? If it gets built, it looks like it may destroy the symmetry of the dome.

The Dome Hotel, it's dependent on whether the o2 gets a casino.

How many people actually live in NPW? Cause thats just insane when you look at it.

Any new pics? I see the core from the District line and it seems there isn't much of it left!

yes they are doing floor plate 26. I am hoping to revisit the site next week for some more on site pics :)

They've started on the tapered roof.

Can someone get an up to date pic?

I may go for a trip up to CW at the weekend so I'll try and get a pic if I get a chance :)

Taken today. Enjoy guys!

http://www.club-siemens.net/broadgate/ontario1.jpg
http://www.club-siemens.net/broadgate/ontario2.jpg
http://www.club-siemens.net/broadgate/ontario3.jpg

It's lookin great!

Loving that curved concrete lip.

Here's on from the DLR at North Quay- the Elecktron cranes are visible to the left.

http://static.flickr.com/64/155028441_0b2265438b_o.jpg

Lovely shots, this would have been an excellent tower if it was a little taller.

excellent pics :)

can't find the thead but the location's close enough to post in this thread, the renders have been put up for the building going up @ the poplar biz. park, on poplar high street and Aspen way - it's tall-ish, looking good for that location! will take pics later this week.

Lovely shots, this would have been an excellent tower if it was a little taller.

I can't help thinking now that it should have been taller to life it above the surrounding apartments. The cladding is looking fine so far though.

The tower looks really slender in this pic

http://www.club-siemens.net/broadgate/ontario1.jpg

Image taken today between the showers ;)

http://www.tvaerials.net/images/ont290506brs.jpg

great updates, this is looking really good, I'm yet to see this in the flesh.

Loving that curved concrete lip.

Here's on from the DLR at North Quay- the Elecktron cranes are visible to the left.

http://static.flickr.com/64/155028441_0b2265438b_o.jpg

In this pic it looks like the buildings in the foreground before the Dome (to the left and right) look like they're tapering down in a kind of V shape. Is this due to the City airport, or the Dome or is it just a coincidence. If it's just a coincidence i reckon they could design with this taken into consideration, the Millenium Dome's tower i believe will be right where the two skylines merge, maybe they could add to the look of the cluster north of the river, they certainly have the low-mid rises.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic6.jpg

here's a few of it taken last week.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic7.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic9.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic10.jpg

Ah fantastic. I like the way the glass contrasts with the surrounding orange buildings. Someone remind me...has the core topped out yet?

Aaaaah! Thank you - thirst quenched!!

theres alot of height differences and curves on the buildings here, this fits in very well with all this :yes:

isn't there another tower due with this project, saw a render somewhere and a tower of similar size sits about 100m behind this??? anybody?

can't find the thead but the location's close enough to post in this thread, the renders have been put up for the building going up @ the poplar biz. park, on poplar high street and Aspen way - it's tall-ish, looking good for that location! will take pics later this week.

Hey Brunob - Is it this site?? 25 storeys

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/planning_decisions/strategic_dev/2005/jul1305/sites_1&2_poplar_business_park_report.pdf

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=5F039E8AF35FB539BECC598926741A36?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/04/510

Nice, but it doesn´t look 100m tall.

Again! Fantastic pictures gentlemen

it isnt topped out yet. it has an additional structure above the core

Hey Brunob - Is it this site?? 25 storeys

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/planning_decisions/strategic_dev/2005/jul1305/sites_1&2_poplar_business_park_report.pdf

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=5F039E8AF35FB539BECC598926741A36?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/04/510


Yes, this is the one. It's an other one of those mass developpers like barrats, can't remember the name at the moment.
Anyway, i'll be taking a pic as promised it's got the full size render posted on site, it's not 25 but 24 floors according to the advert, and it's not looking half bad considering the location and size of available land.

view from Barclays
http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/highview2.jpg

Wow :eek:

Amazing, didnt realise how close NPW was to CW.

that is another fantastic picture :yes:

Wow, Fabulous again and again.

I was up @ the Greenwich Peninsula and the Riverfront yesterday, and this is how it looked from there:


http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5015/dsc0545016mb.jpg


http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8199/dsc0545217sl.jpg


http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7414/dsc054477ay.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2089/dsc054599er.jpg

Fantastic pics guys!

cool. Nice cladding. Looks promising for PP.

Excellent! I dont feel like I need to go over there with all these pics

Safe guys. The only thing troubling me at the tip of the Peninsula is how long it would take a pedestrian to get across to the NPW area without using the underground. I would have liked to go up close, but didn't have the ££money££ on me.

It really looks fantastic from that angle :yes:

Towers & skylines always look best when viewed from South-East London ;)

I was up @ the Greenwich Peninsula and the Riverfront yesterday, and this is how it looked from there:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8199/dsc0545217sl.jpg


That picture reminds me how much I hate NPW and the Ontario Tower. NPW is just far too dense, ill proportioned and of absolutely no architectural merit. Don't even get me started on the terracotta cladding either. Ontario's not much better.

Lowest common denominator architecture.

I'm indifferent about the whole wharf, but I like the design of the tower.

I forgot to include this pano taken from Thames Barrier (southside):

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5549/pano18cf.jpg

That building on the left looks empty!! You can see right through it.

I have just got back from visiting the Ontario Site, I will post many pics later....:)

First one from the Riverside...(including plane)
http://www.tvaerials.net/images/ont060606crs.jpg

I forgot to include this pano taken from Thames Barrier (southside):

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5549/pano18cf.jpg

Wouldn't it be amazing if it were possible to build right across there, linking Ontario and the rest of CW, it would look so dense and beautiful!

Awesome pic there Mikey!

Yep great pic there Mikey!

@Fragmentor: That would be nice. In the next couple of years, I'll have to extend this panorama to the left to accommodate all the new residential towers.

cool :yes:

Pic2 Guaranteed to make you :dizzy:
http://www.tvaerials.net/images/ont060606brs.jpg

Pic 3 :eek:
http://www.tvaerials.net/images/ont060606ers.jpg

:( -> :) -> :D


Great photos and detail as always Mikey!

Last one for now! :) But note the Yellow Skip thing on the 24 floor, youll see why in the next pic!
http://www.tvaerials.net/images/ont060606frs.jpg

Excellent!

Very nice pics there Mikey, thanks.

Ontario today:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1852/dsc0563618bo.jpg

And 2 weeks later (today):

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/4106/dsc057896rc.jpg

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/830/dsc0577710ht.jpg

^ It will look great when finished nice photos SE9 thanks :cheers:

the cladding has grown on me. It looks fair to be honnest.

Its like the grandchild of Centrepoint on some of those angles.. Its taken shape pretty quick

Its like the grandchild of Centrepoint on some of those angles.. Its taken shape pretty quick

Exactly what I posted too! Somebody else sees similarity

Yep I think it is similar to...not a bad thing cos I love Centrepoint! :)

I think it looks like a typical canadian condo block (alas its name and links around docklands) from the 90's onwards. i also see the centrepoint likeness which is cool. should be a great addition once completed.

I'm lookig foward to seeing the slant at the top be lit neon blue when it's completed.

Ontario today :

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/624/ontariotower9qs.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6137/ontariotoweragain9le.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5904/andagainontariotower4pp.jpg

what a bleak, depressing place to live.

The cladding on this looks shite too.

Know what else looks shit? Your face.

High five, someone?

I sense a disturbance in the Force...

Know what else looks shit? Your face.

High five, someone?

HAHAHAHA!!

Fucking 'El.

Know what else looks shit? Your face.

High five, someone?


i do not approve of language like that to other people it is there opinion no need to say something like that.

anyway the Cladding is superb!
and the building is incredible... "and now for those famous words"... If only it could be taller :)

Ontario today :

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/624/ontariotower9qs.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6137/ontariotoweragain9le.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5904/andagainontariotower4pp.jpg

Nikon D50 I presume? :?

great pictures :cheers:

Know what else looks shit? Your face.

High five, someone?


I have truly been told.



I just think areas like this with huge residential blocks are destined to turn into the same soul-less areas that already dominate parts of the nearby isle of dogs. Absolutely no community, just block after block of faceless apartments. Bad planning.

09/07/2006

http://static.flickr.com/58/185664822_ae3a997e75_o.jpg

I have truly been told.



I just think areas like this with huge residential blocks are destined to turn into the same soul-less areas that already dominate parts of the nearby isle of dogs. Absolutely no community, just block after block of faceless apartments. Bad planning.


I also commented on the lack of community in such developments and got slated for it, but my slant was more to do with wealth and subsequent financial and social self reliance of potential residents rather than from architectural merit or cladding.

even worse, they are totally cut off despite being "publically accessible". just go and visit and walk around the development without going on it and see yourself followed by security guards. such developments are hugely divisive, i never understood what residents nearby complained about with them until i saw this for myself. they are excluding the entire community around. their occupants are able to benefit from the community but the community cannot benefit from them.

That's right. as soon as you approach it from the road, you're very likely to be told by one of the security crew (they actually look like building reception but don't be fooled) where you're going. That happened to me on the very first occasion i wanted to have a quick look around - i was being careful not to be intrusive, and just wanted to get onto the thames path without actually entering the invisible perimeter, but was wasn't tolerated.

thats exactly what i was trying to doing to. spot the security guard, this photo was taken in a public street. dont the developers realise that this is one of the prime reasons locals object to their developments and why they have to compromise and scale them down?

Finally, you asked whether private security guards can obstruct photographers from taking photographs while they are standing on public property. In brief, private security guards should have no special authority over you if you are clearly standing on public property. You stand in a private-citizen relationship with the guard while in the public sphere. If the security guard tries to stop you from taking pictures, I suggest that you ask to speak to the head of security in order to ascertain the basis of their concern and to explain your purpose and your right to stand on public property.


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/dump/npw.jpg

perhaps we could asbo such developers? afterall if following people around down streets for simply walking down them isnt harassment what is?

Antisocial behaviour is defined very broadly in law as any activity that "causes or is likely to have caused harassment or alarm or distress" to someone else who is not of your household.

it contrasts poorly with the barkantine estate which is a true example of a living breathing public space. where would you rather live? one place has kids playing, people walking their dogs and enjoying the sun and the other is completely sterile and empty. youll also get larger apartments and more sunlight if you like on barkantine as opposed to new providence wharf but the lack of cheap terracotta and brick, and 18 year olds with radios in ill fitting suits might make you feel a bit poor when your friends come and visit. funny thing snobbery, isnt it?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/dump/barkantine1.jpg

I'd rather have heavy handed security guards than chavvy kids downing cider in my backyard.

Thing is security personel these days are so badly paid and trained, they can't really differenciate apples from oranges.

yeah, i had a guy claim that the company who employed him owned the entire millennium quarter. he walked out of south quay plaza to try and stop me taking photographs. he claimed they owned the DLR station too. he was nice and very apologetic but unbelievably ignorant. imagine some guy coming out of a building and claiming they own the entire street and tell you to leave or theyll call the police because you happen to be carrying a camera for "security reasons".
how about the security guards who tried to stop me taking photos of the london eye! they claimed it was illegal for me to stand next to the eye on the banks of the thames and take pics of it. in both cases those security guards are breaking the law by disturbing the peace.
think of it this way. imagine your neighbour stood outside on the pavement and then followed every single person who walked past his house and tried to get rid of them to stop them walking past on the pavement. its the exact same thing because he has a radio and suit some people think thats ok but you have a group of people being paid to harass passers by who are simply going about their lawful business.
neither bruno nor me are cider drinking chavs, we were both trying to find the thames path and if an individual acted like this they WOULD be asboed.

Sad thing is what he claimed he probably also believed. And when a group of people with real attitude will show up, he won't come out i can garantee!

I wonder how long it'll take now for those in the two remaining estates between NPW and the prestons road to be pushed out further east.

I also commented on the lack of community in such developments and got slated for it, but my slant was more to do with wealth and subsequent financial and social self reliance of potential residents rather than from architectural merit or cladding.


You're bang on.

Architecturally, this whole area is on a par with recent student developments in Manchester, rather than expensive, high-end apartments next to an international financial centre.

Gotta get the balance right. Have some security but none of that US 80's "gated development" bullshit.

Gothic, is the first photo you posted a picture of that SWAN development? Who lives there?

the first pic is of new providence wharf standing in a very public street.

Right, I though it was the New Providence Wharf low-cost development which was available to those that work for the goverment or something. I believe it is called SWAN, but I could be wrong.

it might be the affordable bit, i dont know. raises the questions why security are even there!

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http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/1251/dsc059589vc.jpg

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Great update, this is really coming on now, shame it's so cramped there.

^ Thanks.

And you're right. As the building's fattest side is not facing the Thames, most people's views will be to the Reuters centre and the rest of NPW, unless you have a flat high enough to look over/around them.

Exclellent shots 'Eltham' :)

^ Thats cool, um, Bromley? Bexleyheath? Bermondsey :dunno: ;)

Nice shots, really coming on now. But from looking at those pics, I can't help think that it should be taller and rise more above all the apartments surrounding it. Looking forward to seeing the neon strip around the top. Anyone know when this will go on?

I saw this tower the other day from the train to London Bridge Station, and it was a lot more dominant in the skyline than I had imagined, especially as it was so close to the Dome.

The first shot makes it look massive! it really soars above what is around it, and gleams in the sunlight really nicely

nice tower to short...

I think that its presence is really ruined by that awful brick crescent building which desperately needs to be broken up into smaller blocks.

I think that its presence is really ruined by that awful brick crescent building which desperately needs to be broken up into smaller blocks.


i agree

^^ it's all part of the same complex.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1518/dsc061091ev1.jpg

^^ it's all part of the same complex.


yes i know but the other part takes away the awe of the tower

I agree, it would be better broken up... but in this city, its about maximising the land you've got.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1518/dsc061091ev1.jpg

Fantastic picture SE9. Maybe its just me but i think this tower is at its best now when the tower starts narrowing and, unclad, like its is dematerialising into the sky. Shame we have to make it weatherproof ;).

That's by far the best place to view it. From most other angles it just looks stumpy and boring.

SE9's pictures really do flatter this building. Driving into London down the A13 each day, I get a view from the other side, and the facade looks cheap and bland - the Magnolia of the cladding world. The glazing has an air of low quality 70's to it. SOrry - I am being harsh and negative, I'm sure, but it just looks like one of those buildings that in 10-20 yrs time, people will wish had never been put up in the first place.

Again, on the way to Excel in docklands, took this on my cameraphone in the car doing 50 plus (i wasn't driving :)) so apologies for the poor quality.

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Im off to the show this saturday, so il be having a look at this too, havent seen this in the flesh for ages, in fact i havenbt been to CW for so long im looking foreard to it alot :yes:

Ontario was seen in last week's Buildings that shaped Britain series. Albeit in the distance when they were featuring the Robin Hood Estate up the road. Great series that, pity I missed the episode on buildings of the industrial revolution. Is it on DVD anyone?

I missed the one on modern buildings, the most recent one, which annoyed me.

A good view of the tower and the slant is when one rides the bus into north greenwich station, just before getting into it on millenium way.

I missed the one on modern buildings, the most recent one, which annoyed me.

Modern buildings in the 'Modernism' sense, rather than Hi-tech and focusing more on housing rather than Office buildings.

The curve is about to get taller than the top of the core, looking at it from the poplar station today, the slant is looking mighty good!

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A nice shot taken today... My Birthday ;)

My Birthday ;)

Happy Birthday Mikey :cheers: :scouserd:

Happy Birthday Mikey! Which tower are you going up to celebrate?

Cheers Guys, actually im going to the Lotus floating Chinese Restaurant.....(not very tall im afraid, but there will be a tall tower here soon!)

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Happy birthday Mikey, and thanks for all your great contributions to this forum! :okay:

I went out to the Lotus three weeks ago for an evening meal, quite enjoyable, have fun!

Updates 29-07-06 (Happy birthday Mikey)

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In relation to the news that 3 buildings of 19, 6 & 6 storeys will be built in front of NPW, I've been trying to work out the site. The only ex council I can see in the area is highlighted in green. The Red is the final phase of NPW (that couold have another tall tower according to some renders we have seen ) & the blue is where the Reteurs towers have pp over a year ago(whatever happened to them?!!?). If all are built most people will have sod all view unless you live on one of the top floors & considering the prices some of these places go for they must be mad to buy.

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Thats the trouible I find with the docklands ther doesn't seem to be one masterplan to take into consideration natural light issues & public space. I fear the same will happen in South quay & the Io Dogs . Massive developments using up the whole plot right next door to another devlopment so all you get is a view into some other poor sod in ther over priced box. Why cant TH see this happening???


http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thisweek/news/tm_objectid=17458376%26method=full%26siteid=71670%26headline=tower%2dblocks%2dwill%2druin%2dview%2dfor%2dresidents%2d-name_page.html

The site is the one in green.

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fantastic pictures. I tookk some updates from the DLR on the way home from the Motor Show, I dont think I need to post them now

Re the news about the buildings to go in fron of NPW, Yes Darjole is right it is the horrid council shite circled above in green, and the pub next door. The thing is that most of the tennants who will lose there views are in the affordable housing low rise bit at the front.

Is it me or does the cladding on this just seem rushed?

The tower itself is great, but the cladding just looks a little cheap, it also looks pretty minimal, the type you would see on a office and not on a resi.

Visited the top of this tower one night in June, here's some pictures from the top...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10085&d=1152537466

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10084&d=1152537466

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10089&d=1152537466

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10090&d=1152537466


There's some more pictures here...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4280

Wow! Excellent pics!

Visited the top of this tower one night in June, here's some pictures from the top...

There's some more pictures here...

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4280


Hope you dont mind me posting this one- cracking pic of the Greenwich peninsula & the dome.

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Fantastic photos Oxygen Thief :applause:

Did you go as part of an organised tour, or are you a member of the construction team?

Fantastic photos Oxygen Thief :applause:

Did you go as part of an organised tour, or are you a member of the construction team?

Why do you think they always go up at night.....it's a big clue!

Err neither mate... best not go down that road...

Oxygen Thief's website has some of the best London pics I've ever seen - just be safe!

Indeed check these out: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5078

Stunning!

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Err neither mate... best not go down that road...

Illegally trespassing, then.

Sorry to disappoint but trespass is not a criminal offence.

Is it possible to legally trespass?
- Response to DJL, not O2 thief

Sorry to disappoint but trespass is not a criminal offence.

Well maybe there's a reason why the average joe isn't allowed to wander around a building site.

I don't particularly care though, your photos are great.

...I agree, they aren't exactly safe places to be, and it's not our property after all.

...anyway, don't want to fall out over this...

Who cares, no harm is done and they're cracking pics :cheers:

Well, in today's day in age security is an issue. But I'm sure there should be no reason to fear you Oxygen Thief, you seem to be a genuine skyscraper fan :D Just be careful!
The pics are fabulous

The terrorist of today would rather take out a building full of people than one that is only half built and is empty.

I think the biggest risks are injuries to the intruders, damage to the building (intentional or accidential) etc. Compared to the people who sneak up the cranes and base jump off this is harmless.

The photos are amazing though, the photos above are the best I've seen of London for a long time.

Lots of dodgy sneeking about in the dark.... Ive done simmilar before....

me too. the hard thing is it gets windy up there so tripods arent always the best

The terrorist of today would rather take out a building full of people than one that is only half built and is empty.

I know nothing about bombs or whatever, but if they really wanted to couldn't they place one there and then detonate it when they desire? When it's full of people perhaps?

^

A bomb big enough to blow up alot of people would be very hard to hide whilst construction work is going on.

And even if the bomb is detonated or not, they will be able to see who installed it there as they have many CCTV cameras on site.... not worth the risk?

well whether or not he should have been up there, they are amazing, and from my point of view worth the risk, wouldnt want to risk getting nicked over some pictures though

didnt the old London gangs use to bury bodies in the soft concrete of large construction sites like the Westway flyover?

urban legend potto. youll find that recur in every major city throughout the world.

urban legend potto. youll find that recur in every major city throughout the world.

Think you'll find concrete boots were the fashion around London's docks.

how come they havent found any skeletons when draining the docks to build on them? another urban legend :)

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excellent, once again.

You can even see the Willis Building :)

nice pic.

Ontario seems to add to the cluster there, and of course PP will soon start rising :)

Those white cranes at the front there.

Crossharbour?, PP?

Something else?

20 Churchill Place (State Street HQ).

PP is further to the left of the pic.

Ah ok.

Nothing good then :D

It's a shame the new State Street building is a low-rise, a nice mid-rise, say, to the top of the white crane's jib would have been nice. Would have bulked CW out a bit more in terms of skyline.

20 Churchill Place (State Street HQ).

How tall will this be?

^ 71m

(this should be 10 and 20 CP)

http://www.canarywharf.com/estate/estate/bp4/images/bp34_main.jpg

one of the more successful aspects of Ontario is its shape and its effect at least from the East on the rest of the cluster -adding a much needed dose of dynamism to the flat roof boxes surrounding it...


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how come they havent found any skeletons when draining the docks to build on them? another urban legend :)

Sorry forgot the wink smiley ;)

On a serious note people did disapear around the docks after they closed. Large parts of the docks were let out to dodgy transport firms and scrapyards. One case was a george/georgie Brett and his son. Years later they convicted some people for disposing of the bodies by incinerating them in a flat in Poplar.

yeah, people did disappear around the docks. their bodies normally turned up a week later floating down the thames. never has a body actually been found in a dock in london (nor in a demolished road bridge or similar concrete structure).

It's a shame the new State Street building is a low-rise, a nice mid-rise, say, to the top of the white crane's jib would have been nice. Would have bulked CW out a bit more in terms of skyline.

Well, Wood Wharf will be next door, so its nice to have some contrast.

Updates on the next page...

Cladding is almost up to the diagonal roof section...

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One thing I don't like is that the cladding on this resembles the glass sections on the flats next to it too much. I'd prefer a slightly different shade so that it stands out a bit on the skyline more.

This is an ugly, soulless development in a prominent position. Would anyone be good enough to venture what merits these buildings have - architectural, aesthetic or otherwise - over and above simply being a functional domicile for a lot of people?

This is an ugly, soulless development in a prominent position. Would anyone be good enough to venture what merits these buildings have - architectural, aesthetic or otherwise - over and above simply being a functional domicile for a lot of people?

I think thatt is prety harsh, as there is a lot worse than this.... :)

Architectural merit is something that generally develops over time and never really appreciated on conception..(IMO just think of St.Pauls, National Gallery etc)

I agree that this is just a money making project (but who would pay for a flat at the lower levels?), but you cant have everything...I am glad it has a fairly original roof and currently holds the title for the tallest waterside residential in the country and it certainly adds to the CW cluster.

I'd like to live there. The views from the the flats are pretty fabulous really.

I'd like to live there too, but I have to agree, although the tower looks good, the development as a whole is lacking.

I'm sure the views from the buildings are great - it's just the view to the buildings that are not so good. I don't know for sure but I guess that the plot upon which these developments have been built was pretty grim and rundown, so purely from the perspective of using brownfield land for housing, even these developments are an improvement. But I just don't accept that they couldn't be better particularly when London should be so careful with its riverfront developments. This is one of those developments that show the "value engineering" approach of mimimum cost and maximum profit rather blatantly. Not a development that Londoners can be proud of. (Although you're right Mulattokid, I was being a little bit harsh..... :) )

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Great picture chest, looks like it's taken from 1 Churchill Place

It adds almost a cutting edge on the skyline, and for that reason i'm all for it. Varenukha, you say it's bland, but think how awful it would have beeen as a box and a flat roof. At least the developer tried to make it original. :)

What a photo, I'd love to live in one of those houses down by the locks!

That brown roofed hut with the yellow river crane to the right of New Providence Wharf is the site of another tower development, we've seen the renderings on here but can't find the link to them.

Isn't there meant to be a 100m office tower next door to Ontario tower? And Barrets 130m-140m resi development will be in this view too

Yeah wasn't there meant to be a tower on the site which is next to Ontario and surrounded by what look like blue hoardings in that pic?

I've done a rough estimation of what else is planned around here ( heights arn't exact but give an idea)

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RED- 19 storey tower from last weeks story in the Wharf
BLACK- Reuters tower (I think the tallest was 24 storeys)
BLUE - site of the 3 elektron towers ( think the tallest is 24 storeys)
LIGHT BLUE- I think this is the site for the propsed Barrett towers (looked up to 35-40storeys)
GREEN- I think this is the site (poplar business park) of the 24 storey galliard resi tower.

As I said not 100% on all the sites or heights but you can see this should bulk up the area in the coming years.

I think they should all pay to green-bridge a large section over that terrible divisive road

Example in Germany:
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Up the road at mile end a thinner version
http://xs104.xs.to/xs104/06323/GreenBridge2_jpg_media_public.jpg

Excellent Pic a Chest, I am very jealous as I would love to get up there :)

potto: That first pic must be an animal bridge.

This is an ugly, soulless development in a prominent position. Would anyone be good enough to venture what merits these buildings have - architectural, aesthetic or otherwise - over and above simply being a functional domicile for a lot of people?

Agreed entirely. The whole development is shockingly bland.

potto: That first pic must be an animal bridge.

Yes...its a TROLL bridge

^^ LoL :)

Maybe Doka Dan lives underneath?

I hope you're not making fun of me being from Norway, the country of the Trolls hehe :)

There are such animal bridges in Norway too btw, for passing elks to reduce collision with cars. In the UK they use tunnels below the road mostly.

They do plan to build a bridge over that main road- I think its due for construction in the next year or 2 -part funded by tfl (i think-there was a news story in the wharf months back).

It was for a pedestrian & cycle bridge that looked a bit like the Wilkinson Eyre bridge in in newcastle.

Here you go

http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thisweek/news/tm_objectid=16485269%26method=full%26siteid=71670-name_page.html

http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/thisweek/news/tm_objectid=16295422%26method=full%26siteid=71670-name_page.html