taken by melissa dewitte.
mudchute in the foreground. A third crane at Xharbour:

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Is that new crane at the north end of the site? (i cant tell from that photo)

3 cranes up with 3 more about to rise - it looks as though the whole development will be under way as the cranes are spread across the site - I think the tower crane is to the far left (north) and has just started to rise


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Looks also likely to me that the whole dev. is going ahead at the same time.
6 cranes!
Residential developments are mushrooming around the CW estate!

Hey ho.

I'm supposed to be working on that site soon.
Lots of concrete going in using the slipform or jumpform method, so I'd guess the cores are going to be shooting up very quickly.
52 floor tower isn't going up for a while though.

I won't ask how some of you got on site to get pictures, I'll probably try and get a few of my own every day I'm there.
Must be about 15 years since I've been on that side of the Island, it's certainly changed a bit.

Hey ho.

I'm supposed to be working on that site soon.
Lots of concrete going in using the slipform or jumpform method, so I'd guess the cores are going to be shooting up very quickly.
52 floor tower isn't going up for a while though.

I won't ask how some of you got on site to get pictures, I'll probably try and get a few of my own every day I'm there.
Must be about 15 years since I've been on that side of the Island, it's certainly changed a bit.

52 floor? Thought it was only 43? Well, i say 'only'... lol

52 floor? Thought it was only 43? Well, i say 'only'... lol

14, 16, 18, 44 and 52 is what I've been told, but nobody has to keep me in the loop and fully apprised, I'm lowest of the low on the totem pole.

All we have heard is 43 floors.

I you SURE they said 52 floors? Could you double check? If it were 52 floors, that would mean it would be about 160m. I know it is VERY wishfull thinking, but is it possible this has had a height increase? If you were going to be working on the site, it is possible you would know before us, the 'general public' did.

Anyway, nice to have you here:)

He's probably referring to this taller version (170m), rejected after complaints from local residents, the council, C.A.B.E. and even the Mayor -


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/184CrossharbourBuilding1(design1)_pic1.jpg

But if he is working on the project soon, then i doubt he would have been told they were building the old rejected version from years ago, which was 50 floors.

"52 floor tower isn't going up for a while though."

If this is correct, it leaves possible time for a height increase. (Just speculating!)

Like I said, would you mind double-checking for us Prince Monolulu?

14, 16, 18, 44 and 52 is what I've been told, but nobody has to keep me in the loop and fully apprised, I'm lowest of the low on the totem pole.

Wait, I've just noticed this too. Is there two towers now?

I'M CONFUSED!!?!!?!

I'll find out a bit more next month.
The bit I'm involved with using the old proposals over estimating the height isn't a problem, under estimating and footprint is important to us.

Need to see the lie of the land, been known to talk myself out of jobs by being too inquisitive/irritating.

unexploded ww2 bomb found earlier this year on the site (credit to Chutney):


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it was all closed off around there again today... maybe they found another one??

Nah it was me running around the site with a tripod - security thought its a rocket launcher.:yes:

Thats when the germans were bombing the docks in WW2..unfortunately my Grandads first wife and his baby daughter were both killed when one landed on their house in canning town.He was away in the Merchant navy thank god..otherwise i wouldnt be here.

it was all closed off around there again today... maybe they found another one??

Yes they did:

LONDON (Reuters) - Police closed streets near Canary Wharf on Saturday after an unexploded German flying bomb from World War Two was found on a construction site.

Bomb disposal experts were called in to make the V1 missile safe after it was unearthed close to the complex that houses 80,000 office workers during the working week, police said. At weekends the area is busy with shoppers and visitors.

Police closed several roads around the site in Millharbour, a road in the former docklands.

"Ambulance, fire and police are there and the building site has been evacuated," a police spokesman said. The area was cordoned off, he said.

Thousands of V1s, nicknamed "Doodlebugs", were fired at the capital during the war, with the docks a prime target.

Hundreds of unexploded bombs from the war are buried across the country, according to government figures. They are unearthed from time to time, often during building excavations.

Canary Wharf's tenants include Bank of America, Barclays, Citigroup, HSBC, the Independent and Reuters.

The video about the V1 'Doodlebug' with exclusive interviews of Mikey and El Greco around the site yesterday!

see http://uk.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=62014

El Greco is a lot older than i thought:lol:

:D

The bomb was found on the site at 4 Mastmaker Road where construction has started. Work has also started at Indescon Court next to Ability/Icon.

@Jeff
COME BACK!

Photo credit mech_rosey on Flickr


A core is well up!
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I posted that pic in the Pan Peninsular update earlier, core of the smaller buildings though not the main tower.

What's going on just to the right of Arrowhead Quay in that picture?

What's going on just to the right of Arrowhead Quay in that picture?

I think that's the Ballymore Mastmaker 23 storey scheme. Mostly affordable housing so Ballymore don't have to put affordable housing in there fancy schemes.

Unusual design which could either turn out really well or really bad we'll have to wait & see as it U/C top find out.

^ esp regarding the wooden detailing on the uppermost floors, dare i say if it turns out as well as some of the renders it could easily be more attractive than PP both on the skyline and at street level.

If anyone is interested in the building and hasnt seen it before check this out;

Booklet produced by the architects Brady Mallilieu
http://www.bradymallalieu.com/images/mastmaker-project-profile.pdf

@ mods: would have posted this in the correct thread but cant seem to find it?

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I've copied your post into a new thread -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=507579

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Thanks Madman, just checked out the PDF... looks like a realy well thought out project. The plans look great... nice relationship to the landscaped areas for the lower social housing... its kind of like lofts sitting on an apartment block sat on top of a row of town-houses. Lovely elevation too... lets hope they use good quality, resilient materials. Even if they dont, this project is ten times more interesting than PP, which is effectively an american-condo-type dropped in London (well i guess thats the story of the Isle of Dog's).

Thanks Madman, just checked out the PDF... looks like a realy well thought out project. The plans look great... nice relationship to the landscaped areas for the lower social housing... its kind of like lofts sitting on an apartment block sat on top of a row of town-houses. Lovely elevation too... lets hope they use good quality, resilient materials. Even if they dont, this project is ten times more interesting than PP, which is effectively an american-condo-type dropped in London (well i guess thats the story of the Isle of Dog's).

Agreed, it reminds me of some of the stuff at the southern end of Greenwich Peninsula, which I think works quite well, in spite of it being rather lonely, plonked out on its own until the rest of the development catches up.

4th crane and a core rising

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what a hive of activity. The shot from the plane is fantastic, really gives a sense of scale, and allows you to look down on pretty much most of the developments in the Wharf at present. The core is for the lowrise isn't it? Didn't think the tower was kicking off till later in the scheme.

I think the tower is around where the 4th crane is positioned - furthest away from camera.

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/construction.jpg

It would be really welcomed if somebody could superimpose an image over the site so we can see what that core is in relation to the plan

this development is racing ahead - the core has risen significantly in the past couple of days..
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I think I've wet myself.

Hows the tower part of the development (corner closest to Pan Peninsula) coming along?

From Chest's first pic looks like earthworks at the north of the site.

Hows the tower part of the development (corner closest to Pan Peninsula) coming along?

loads of big tubes laid out on the ground around the 4th crane, you can just see them in this pic (I couldnt get a pic of the actual area) - no real signs of a core or anything yet I'm no expert.

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Wow. It's a mini-Dubai!

Sort of.

looks like there is more cranes to go up as well!!!

and you've got Arrowhead Quay and the 2 Landmark Towers with cranes now appearing just hidden from shot, as well as all the cranes for the mid rise around Churchill Place, it truly is Dubai madness..yeahh, yeahhhh.

Great pics Chest!

:okay:

How long is that floating Chinese restaurant going to be there?

Thanks for the pics Chest!

yes excellent pics! The boys at PCH are not draging there heels with this one!

They're doing the lowrise section first, though.

looking at the plan Jeff posted this shaft must be for the first part of the private residential - I think the private residential is the first phase which should include the tower.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=335477&page=12

The development will be constructed in two phases.
Phase 1 (South side) comprises 5 building ranging from 8 to 16 storeys.
Phase 2 (North side) comprises 3 building ranging from 16 storeys to 43 storeys.

There's gonna be almost a year between the two phases.

Has this changed ?

So when will they be building the tower, next year or even later ???????

looking at the plan Jeff posted this shaft must be for the first part of the private residential - I think the private residential is the first phase which should include the tower.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=335477&page=12



Ye......but for the hundreth time..that plan is not sourced...the sourced plan is repeated several times (well perhaps not hundreds) further back in the thread from an insider stating that the tower will come in the second phase, one year after the first....

Wait a minute? how did I post something at 10am ish when I was out all day?

I posted this message first in response to Chest and that one ^^^ about 5 minutes later at 7.12pm? hhmm

Apparently there are rumours of the Tower being 50/52 floors, maybe they're going back into the Planning process again.

The big core has topped out, I'd guess, oh yes Slipform/Jumpform does shoot up at a fair rate of knots.
24 hour Slipform/Jumpform even faster, but 24 hour working really is a Dubai type activity.

I think there are 6 cranes going up eventually.
If I can remember to take my Camera I'll try and get a shot of the site daily, for those that like construction sites.

well they had started on PanPenisula and went back to planning and had a small height increase so its feasable..150m maybe for 52 floors

The tower was 52 floors originally, but refused permisssion for being too tall amd therefore reduced to 43.

Yes, but that was years ago. Things have changed, I reckon if they are putting this in for a height increase and these rumours are true, it will get through this time. If Prince Monolulu is who he says he is and is infact working on site (We have no reason to doubt him) then I expect their is a good chance of this happening.

Oh and at 50-52 floors it could end up taller than Pan Peninsula, which should shake up the whole 'step down' idea that TH have.

I doubt it'll get a height increase, must have been some confusion down the line. Nine storeys is a lot, both in planning terms (LBTH arent that flexible with their masterplan for that area) and constructionally.

Are TH really still sticking to that stupid masterplan? I mean RS will be a taller building than 1CS, yet you can't get any further west on the Wharf. Hardly stepping down if you as me.

I would be happy with just a couple more floors, but if it went to 50-52 floors it would be great:)

From what I recall, the height reduction was due to complaints from local residents....I hope they have had a change of heart...but I cant see why they would...

Again, that was years ago, and TH of course made the decision. They could possibly go for a taller tower now, you never know:)

Do you have anymore details Prince Monolulu?

loads of big tubes laid out on the ground around the 4th crane, you can just see them in this pic (I couldnt get a pic of the actual area) - no real signs of a core or anything yet I'm no expert.

Those big tubes are used to brace the perimeter steel.
There's a line of steel going round the perimeter on 3 sides of the site (possibly 4, but I haven't looked), 4 of those pipes are welded to it across the corners.
Another load of pilings going in along the DLR side.
I suspect building on the Isle of dogs next to Docks requires a lot of piling.

Oh number 5 crane has gone up today.
Tower was up slew ring and they were adding the counter weights when I saw it.
PCH must be worth a feb bob nothing but new cranes including the one that was putting the Tower Cranes up.
I really must remember to take the digi camera.

The original design was far superior to what is being built and would have been taller than PP. I hope there submit a revised pa for some extra floors :)

In Sheffield we've got a 22 storey "tower" going up. It was supposed to be 36, but the council killed the idea. They've built up to about the ninth floor and have resubmitted an application to go up to 32ish. But they put in big enough foundaions to take it up to 36 "just in case". Planning verdict is due for ours on monday. It's a right situation!

Again, that was years ago, and TH of course made the decision. They could possibly go for a taller tower now, you never know:)

Do you have anymore details Prince Monolulu?

Well as I say...I hope so...I hope also they stand one of those long flat buildings on end...but its unlikely :)

Again, that was years ago, and TH of course made the decision. They could possibly go for a taller tower now, you never know:)

Do you have anymore details Prince Monolulu?

Not really, just the word from a couple of people most of them quite high up on the Totem Pole, that they're going through the planning process again.
The big tower's not going up for a while, so they've got time.

As someone mentioned foundations/groundworks, I don't think it'll cost them much more (in their view) to do foundations for 52 floors and only go up to 40 if they don't get their way.

They could even add the floors at a later date once it's built.

Thanks Prince:)

At 52 floors, with the current floor heights, the tower would reach 158m tall as opposed to 131m.

Well as I say...I hope so...I hope also they stand one of those long flat buildings on end...but its unlikely :)

:lol: Great Idea

Yeah , London certainly has a different feel to it , with 122LH , Shard , Pinnacle , Heron all about to get built.I think a 150m tower would be approved...It's just if they ask:)

blimey - how fast is this going up -
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God! It's racing up. Let's hope the tower does the same:) Hopefully with 20 extra meters too:)

you can see these red cranes from all over south east london ! fab!

Shame its not the tower :ohno: :ohno:

lawks, they've planted the core in a superquick growbag.

you've got to give Ballymore some big kudos for their bullish attitude to the luxury highrise resi market. If the second tower at New Providence Wharf follows next year they will have almost singlehandly changed the skyline east of Canary Wharf, and added surely over 2000 new apartments.

Apparently when it comes to the Tower it'll race up a lot faster than the 2 cores you can see now, they'll be running 24 hours, pouring and climbing.

I presume there's some technical reason for doing that, because it must be expensive, with all the double or triple time they'll probably have to pay the construction crew.

Thank you for the information Prince:)

this is shooting up - just a few days and the progress is impressive

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Lovely, there is nothing more satisfying than watching concrete cores grow. :D

Lovely, there is nothing more satisfying than watching concrete cores grow. :D

I'll drink to that! :cheers:

I prefer watching cladding grow :) It's easier to imagine what the finished building will look like. Steel frames are pretty good to watch grow too. But check weekly or it gets dull and obsessive...

This is like 2001 all over again with lots of towers poping up. :banana: :banana:

wow this project is on speed! get me some of that:banana:

cool.

so when's the big one on this scheme starting?

Big Tower is a long way off, you'd best take a wander for a year or two.
Oh you wait until all the ground work has been done and it's all concrete at ground level, then things really start flying up.
Probably be using flying tables to do the floors everybody else is these days.

The bigger towers at Pan Peninsula and Marsh Wall were supposed to be built at later dates weren't they? But ended being built at virtually the same time due to the demand.

Can only hope the same thing happens here, and it starts within a few months.

Its crazy not to build the tower with the other part. They will sell like hot cakes.

Apparently when it comes to the Tower it'll race up a lot faster than the 2 cores you can see now, they'll be running 24 hours, pouring and climbing.

I presume there's some technical reason for doing that, because it must be expensive, with all the double or triple time they'll probably have to pay the construction crew.

The cost of construction needs to factored against the savings in interest repayments for a scheme which is completed earlier. I was speaking to a client last week who is repaying £20k a week in interest on just one of his projects.

Oh one load of slipform coming down off the big core and new lot going up this week.
Expect some more growbag activity soon.

The cost of construction needs to factored against the savings in interest repayments for a scheme which is completed earlier. I was speaking to a client last week who is repaying £20k a week in interest on just one of his projects.



:lol: I didnt see the 'K' after the figure 20! I was thinking "20 quid a week thats not much"

The bigger towers at Pan Peninsula and Marsh Wall were supposed to be built at later dates weren't they? But ended being built at virtually the same time due to the demand.

Can only hope the same thing happens here, and it starts within a few months.
both Landmark Towers are now under construction , 1 sold out and one just released for marketing and i wouldnt be surprised if the larger one on this starts very soon too.

both Landmark Towers are now under construction , 1 sold out and one just released for marketing and i wouldnt be surprised if the larger one on this starts very soon too.

Maybe that's the issue - maybe they're better off waiting until the Landmark sales have largely completed before launching, so there's only one glamorous high-rise on the market in Docklands at once? If they are marketing at the same time they'll be competing for the same punters, which will inevitably slow sales and depress prices for both of them. If they wait until the high-rise elements of the Landmark building have sold, they can become the high-rise to die for.

West India Quay -> Ontario -> Pan Peninsula -> Landmark 1 -> Landmark 2 -> Crossharbour/Baltimore -> Ontario 2 (or whatever it's called)??

All action

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- 2nd core topped, 3rd core now rising, no sign of the tower core though.

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I wish they would start the tower core, with PP have been used to seeing something massive rising over Millwall inner Dock. On another note, the prospect of that many hundred homes for professionals must be a boon for that floating restaurant.

does anyone know what the future plans are for the Lotus Chinese floating restaurant... is it gonna stay or maybe move somewhere else :?

I imagine it will stay, afterall ballymore dont own the dock (i guess they're renting the mooring of British Waterways). Also its a respectable place, probably actually an added bonus for Crossharbour rather than a hinderance.

Plus the floating restaurant adds a touch of Character to the area. London is characterised by the things the people do to it (you only need to take a 2 second look at Camden to see what i mean). keeping to the developers masterplan would be boring. Londoners built the restaurant, its part of London.

I think the water could be covered in all sorts of boats with all sort of outlets and services....restaurants, shops, galleries, fruit & veg vendors etc.a bit like a floating market or a local high street. It could become the animate feature of CW, encouraging tourism and life.....that would be very original for the Western world would it not?

Well I hope it does stay.... I have eaten there many times ;)

Few more cores going up, one by near the station other small one has shot up quite nicely another Slipform platform currently being assembled.
First level of deck concreted on the big core/slide, looks like they're just starting on the deck for the first level on the small core/slide.
I really must get some shots Saturday.

Last thing anyone working on there wants right now is the Tower core to get started, it's amazingly chaotic (ask anyone who works there and they'll tell you, it's scary) now, that going up would make things even worse.
Much tearing out of hair.
Looks like that shot in Sparks's post with people working must have been taken at one of the breaktimes, not enough men buzzing about like busy bees.

As for the floating High Street idea, you want to see that part of the Island at the weekend, it's rather dead/soulless apart from people going in and out of Tesco's on the other side of the dock.
It's like the City in that respect.
A bit more housing in the Area might hopefully bring some life to the place generally and lift it a little, I wouldn't like to live there.

Site this morning:

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Ken vetoes London Arena scheme

14 September 2007

London mayor Ken Livingstone has ordered Tower Hamlets council to refuse planning permission for SOM’s 150,000sq m mixed-use project on the London Arena site.

The eight-building scheme, for Ballymore London Arena Ltd, would provide over 1,000 residential units, a 149-room hotel, new landscaped public space by Lovejoy & Partners, and a dockside walkway.

A previous application for the site was granted planning in March 2006. The new application, made last November, increased the number of “family units” and changed elevations and public and community elements.

No reason had been given for the veto as BD went to press.

what does this mean then..they have to keep to the original approved plan?

what does this mean then..they have to keep to the original approved plan?

Has anyone noticed on the renders for this development, the original had a weird 'semi-cube but angular' shaped treatment on the south west corner - looked very funky! In subsewuent renders they had it as a plain block of flats.

I think...or hope...Ken has rejected the plain treatment in favour of the funky version - I really hope so - we need some architctural features on the Isalnd!

Can anyone shed any light?

activity in the far left - beginnings of a core, could that be the tower core? its hard to tell.

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Ken vetoes London Arena scheme

14 September 2007

London mayor Ken Livingstone has ordered Tower Hamlets council to refuse planning permission for SOM’s 150,000sq m mixed-use project on the London Arena site.

The eight-building scheme, for Ballymore London Arena Ltd, would provide over 1,000 residential units, a 149-room hotel, new landscaped public space by Lovejoy & Partners, and a dockside walkway.

A previous application for the site was granted planning in March 2006. The new application, made last November, increased the number of “family units” and changed elevations and public and community elements.

No reason had been given for the veto as BD went to press.

well he's changed his mind and approved it

oops. does that mean BD ran the wrong story?

...there was an issue about childrens play areas apparently, the scheme was revised and he withdrew his opposition

- still no sign of the tower core, however there is definitely some kind of activity going on in the far left corner where the tower is positioned to rise...

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Is this a case of 'were not building the tower until we sell all the low rise bit' or is this the way it was planned all along?.

- In earlier posts someone who had some link to the project said the tower would be last - there is progress since the last time I visited, ground work seems to be commencing if the tower is where I think it is. I'd have thought the tower with its expensive apartments was the most profitable part of the development - kids playgrounds and affordable housing in the lower rise areas dont exactly help profits

http://www.tvaerials.net/images/oct29.jpg
there you go!

- In earlier posts someone who had some link to the project said the tower would be last


Yes...I quoted him a few times and apparently there will be a gap of a year in between...I hope not though and hope that has changed.

cheers Mikey....I've just updated my MAC with the new Leopard Operating System - and lost my entire contents on the computer and things are still a struggle, so please all bare with me during this difficult time...

cheers Mikey....I've just updated my MAC with the new Leopard Operating System - and lost my entire contents on the computer and things are still a struggle, so please all bare with me during this difficult time...

:pet:

There are many reports of people losing files because of the Leopard upgrade. :ohno:

I'd have thought the tower with its expensive apartments was the most profitable part of the development - kids playgrounds and affordable housing in the lower rise areas dont exactly help profits

It's not quite that simple; affordable housing can have one very large advantage for developers - the cash usually changes hands up front. With private resi you only get a nominal deposit up front and the remainder at completion, which is of course long after you have spent the money on construction so you have to bridge the finance. So, there can be good reasons to reason to make a start on the affordable housing first and get the money through the door to fund construction of the private element, then you're walking away with profit as the last elements are actually completed and filled.

Of course whether this tips the balance as to which is better to build first depends on all sorts of things, not least what happens to prices between committing construction and actually selling the apartments, and how quickly you'll sell them. At the end of the day the return on private resi is a gamble on prices and demand which developers have been winning recently, but affordable is more assured income.

thats terrible chest. everyone and i mean everyone should buy a second h/d or at least back up their old important files to dvd when they change their o/s but still, id be gutted if that happened to me. you can recover lost files though chest if youre willing to pay someone to recover them. the most important thing is if youre willing to do this to NOT use the h/d at all until youve spoken to someone as you will be writing over recoverable sectors.

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^^Awesome pic!works well in black and white!

crap photo but as u can see they are working in the evening on this one
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^^ Really I cant see...

i meant the flood lights are on ....hence they are still working

True...they are not security lights

surely the cores for the lower level stuff must be completed by now?

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God that pic looks so 1980s lol

Any action around the tower area?

God that pic looks so 1980s lol

If it wasnt for the white block of flats in the background, Yeah.

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the images you've posted today, darjole, are just so fantastic! so crisp, great light, great angles and you've updated the threads for most of my fave sites too! thankyou thankyou thankyou

any plans to rid the IOD of that horrible blue mirror glass building?

any plans to rid the IOD of that horrible blue mirror glass building?

Eventually. Land Secs own most of the buildings at Harbour Exchange & Hammerson the rest so you expect something tall to be proposed there in the next 5 years.

i think this whole stretch of water should be developed on either side. it would make the perfect place to create a nice riverside park type place with resi towers dotted along the edge's. put a pedestrian bridge across and youve got yourself a sweet little development :D

i think this whole stretch of water should be developed on either side. it would make the perfect place to create a nice riverside park type place with resi towers dotted along the edge's. put a pedestrian bridge across and youve got yourself a sweet little development :D

Thats whats happening :lol:

well... i mean on the scale of wood wharf :P im not quite sure thats happening here...

is there any chance of update images for xmas anyone?

ta

a sea of cores - is the taller core front far left the tower core? on the second pic.

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/grey17.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/grey18.jpg

The tower won't start until the low rise is complete.

When these towers are complete and tennants move in i bet that boat will soar up in value, Being in such a good loacation with so much buisness an that.

if they have a good sence for business they will move the boat closer to wood wharf when its completed. thats if the business is still afloat then....see what i did there??:D

thats what a combination of english literature and geography Alevels do to ya!! :)

a sea of cores - is the taller core front far left the tower core? on the second pic.

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/grey18.jpg

Humm, everyone keeps saying that it wont start untill phase 2 however the core mentioned does look in about the right place, but maybe a little small???

Im pretty sure the tower is much closer to the blue building, in that pic it is some quite sizeable distance away.

- I cant tell, either from looking at the diagrams Jeff posted a few pages back or from actually looking at the site when I went past yesterday.
Its a shame Jeff dosn't post here anymore - he was a mine of information, his posts on the whole were positive and informative.

i think the tower is being built after this lowrise element?

Madman is right about the positions. If you look down into the site from the DLR you will be able to see that the tower site is partly a dirt ramp for vehicles at the moment and is also being used for storage.

Its a shame Jeff dosn't post here anymore - he was a mine of information, his posts on the whole were positive and informative.

yep. absolutely agree. i keep an eye on his flickr website, he often updates that with amazing new future wharf renders. the guy's a legend.

will they start moving people into the lowrise bit as they build the tower? it sounds a bit backwards to me really, there's bound to be more people living in the lowrise part and a larger majority of them will get grumpy with a skyscraper being built in their backyards. at least if the tower was built first only about 13-14 levels of flats would get disturbed, and the disturbance would only be on one side of the skyscraper because of its position on the site.

is there any particular reason to why there choosing to construct it like this?? thanks :)

That restaurant sure does have a great location, should look great when the towers are completed. the boat with a backdrop of skyscrapers :happy:

Its a shame Jeff dosn't post here anymore - he was a mine of information, his posts on the whole were positive and informative.

Yeah, but he was an arse

is there any particular reason to why there choosing to construct it like this?? thanks :)

They need the money from the low rise to fund the tower.

Yeah, but he was an arse

He wasn't, it was more that most forumers didn't want to hear his bad news about many of the projects.

He was arrogant and rude boy.

He wasn't, it was more that most forumers didn't want to hear his bad news about many of the projects.

Most of which was completely wrong....

Jef rarely linked to his news sources, preferring to take all the credit for himself. He was constantly proclaiming how Bishopsgate, Heron, LBT and several of the other towers would never be built. He had a very short temper and was rude to several forumers (this included myself, eventually). If he wants to return to SSC, he needs to appreciate these things.

They need the money from the low rise to fund the tower.

Is there a way to find out how many flats are sold? Other than just calling one of Ballymore's estate agents and see what they say. Knowing what estate agents are like that may not e the most reliable source.

Btw; I think Jef will be back in 2008. SSP is just not the place to be is it? :lol:

A lot of these large developments are bulk sold to investors are a reduced rate who sell them on in chunks to others which eventually filters through to the outrageous prices the public ends up forking out. Indescon court is/was mostly sold this way as was Marsh Wall.

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From rezendi on flickr:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/2232340365_046e43a214_b.jpg

Dont know why i keep looking in this thread as i have ZERO interest in it until the Tower section starts to go up (fuck knows when that will be).

Until then this is just another boring low rise London slab of a development.

DJL are you performing work avoidance on Flickr?

Some from yesterday


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/trancestrances/London%20Skyscrapers/Crossharbour%20Tower%20-%20Baltimore%20Wharf/100220082077.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/trancestrances/London%20Skyscrapers/Crossharbour%20Tower%20-%20Baltimore%20Wharf/100220082078.jpg


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Asda car park
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/trancestrances/London%20Skyscrapers/Crossharbour%20Tower%20-%20Baltimore%20Wharf/100220082080.jpg

- just noticed on a couple of shots taken today that one of the concrete cores at CrossHarbour is now around double the height of all the other cores and still rising - the core in question is at the opposite side of the development where the tower is supposed to be positioned but I'm not quite sure which building it relates to. - you can see the core bottom right with the surrounding cores much smaller in the trees

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/CH.JPG

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/CH2.JPG

- just noticed on a couple of shots taken today that one of the concrete cores at CrossHarbour is now around double the height of all the other cores and still rising - the core in question is at the opposite side of the development where the tower is supposed to be positioned but I'm not quite sure which building it relates to. - you can see the core bottom right with the surrounding cores much smaller in the trees


Oooh... that's at the northern end of the site, although it looks like it's a bit far from the water's edge

I'd guess its for the rear part of the tower, where there appears to be a kind of mid-height section:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/184CrossharbourBuilding1(design1)_pic1.jpg

I'd say you may have just spotted the first confirmation of the latest 100m+ to go start actually rising on the Isle of Dogs! :banana:

no - its at the southern end of the plot - to the right near the DLR line, this is why I was confused - is there a current actual plan anywhere? - looking at the plan Jeff posted on page 12 of this thread it dosnt make much sense as the building drawn where this core is situated isnt twice the height of those around it.

Bugger; that's thrown me then! It looks like it's at the far end of the site from that angle, which would make it the NE corner. Did you take any other views of it?

SELondoner, that's an old scheme, it's been super-seeded since then. Thought this was the upto date one:

http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org/images/110406154134.jpg

:doh:
My mistake, sorry about that. I should pay better attention today!

Just a thought, when a scheme is promoted into the construction thread (and the design's fixed) can we have a new thread rather than a moved one, so the first page has the details of the scheme being built?

half of this development is a waste of prime space.. it looks tacky in those renders aswell.

Have you been there? I quite like it its bigger then u think !

The Southeast of the complex is 16 floors, not visible on the renders.
The North East, 17 floors
The North West Tower 43 floors
The West Site 14 Floors
and the centre part no more than 10 floors
all available herehttp://194.201.98.213/WAM/doc/Current%20Plan-210010.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=210010&location=Volume3&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

The tower on chest's photo is reaching 16 floors or so.

I dont think its too bad. Of course the original design with the 4-5 white towers was far superior but Ballymore's stuff tends to turn out ok. A lot better than Canary Quarter and the Icon thing on the other side IMO.

:doh:
My mistake, sorry about that. I should pay better attention today!

Just a thought, when a scheme is promoted into the construction thread (and the design's fixed) can we have a new thread rather than a moved one, so the first page has the details of the scheme being built?

Hiya T...!

where are you lookng? this is the first page:


Crossharbour Tower - "Baltimore Wharf" | Docklands | 131m | 43 fl | U/C

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Just spotted this in this weeks Wharf - it looks like it's just money now holding this one up:

DEVELOPER'S BIG PLANS FOR LONDON ARENA
http://icthewharf.icnetwork.co.uk/th...name_page.html

A HOUSING complex complete with shops, offices and a hotel could be built on the site of the London Arena.

Property developer Ballymore has approached Davy Stockbrokers' private clients for £45million to fund the Crossharbour development.

It is due to get under way this autumn and to be completed well in advance of the 2012 Olympics. Davy's clients will be offered a return of 15 per cent per annum over five years if they back the project.

Their money will fund the gap between the amount Ballymore is putting down as equity and borrowings agreed with the Royal Bank of Scotland.

The development will feature eight towers ranging from 43 storeys to seven storeys, a community centre, fitness club and 527 car parking spaces.

[SNIP]

Ballymore is also involved in housing developments at Arrowhead Quay, New Providence Wharf, Peninsula Reach and Wood Wharf.

Arrowhead Quay is now a housing development? Or just sloppy research from The Wharf again?

I agree though, there should be a render on page 1 of each u/c thread.

Hiya M...! :wave:

I did go to that first page but couldn't find a picture, so searched for one (showing something from another angle from the usual shot looking north) and found that one. Sadly I was rushing and didn't think to check if it was of the latest design! :doh:

Have you been there? I quite like it its bigger then u think !

yea i hav been there lol. and i know its a huge site! thats precisely why i think its a waste of space as for such a large site there could be numerous towers.

i know kinda depressing. And so close to the DLR. Few sites like that

Oh dear. This is now on hold, apparently. :(

^ Don't worry Fox. I think all of the residential projects in London will get built. London property prices are so high that there's almost nowhere else in the world where a bit of steel, glass, and concrete yields such a strong returns - and that despite London's high costs of land and labour. Ballymore have probably just put this one on hold to help streamline their development programme across several projects. They're already taking on a lot at one time.

I assume that it's just the final tower element that's on hold and not the rest of it - seeing as it's a bit late to stop working on it now...

Ballymore should have done the tower first..........

absolutely mikey. that way itd have sold out by now and theyd be sitting on all that nice moolah.

This was how CW was developed, landmark building first!

Oh dear. This is now on hold, apparently. :(

Where did you hear that?

Ballymore had a big back page Ad in ES homes & property advertising their towers at Balitimore Quay, Quebec Tower, Ontario & Pan P so its a bit strange they have put it on hold a day later.

This was how CW was developed, landmark building first!

Haha and look what bloody happened to Olympia & York. If anything you've proved the wisdom of Ballymore's decision!

Where did you hear that?

Ballymore had a big back page Ad in ES homes & property advertising their towers at Balitimore Quay, Quebec Tower, Ontario & Pan P so its a bit strange they have put it on hold a day later.

Jef said it on Skyscraperpage although he hasn't given a source for his info.

If this is true then it may be that their credit lines have been shortened. Expect a lot more of this over the coming months as banks don't just reduce their lending, but actually call in loans on perfectly viable projects because they need the money themselves. That's how serious this mess is. I agree with the others, shame they didn't build the tower first, but then if they had, we might be left with a half finished pillar.

From Jef on SSP:

Ballymore will submit a revised planning application for Phase 2 of its Baltimore Wharf scheme - that includes the residential tower. This phase is on hold at the moment.

Could the reason it is on hold be because they are planning a rather large redesign of phase 2?

Do we actually know if its on hold though. We have no official word from Ballymore so no idea. Any links to the info or is it speculation??

The tower phase was always further down the track & they have a lot of work to do on phase one.Was there ever an official start date for phase 2??

Ballymore put out a back page advertisement of all there dockland towers which included the tower element of this scheme so bit strange they would release that & then change plans days later.

From Jef on SSP:

Ballymore will submit a revised planning application for Phase 2 of its Baltimore Wharf scheme - that includes the residential tower. This phase is on hold at the moment.

Could the reason it is on hold be because they are planning a rather large redesign of phase 2?

pffft...Jef's in a right 'pass the razor blades' mood on SSP.

He may be well informed on the planning side of things, but he gets just about everything wrong when it comes to what actually gets built.

but he gets just about everything wrong when it comes to what actually gets built.

Really? I think he's been pretty spot on so far.

wouldnt surprise me if it were only on hold in anticipation of a redesign, i mean even with a moderate drop in house prices theres still money to be made from building the tower.

Really? I think he's been pretty spot on so far.

He's at some point said nearly every building is not going to get built. That's the impression I got from him.

He's at some point said nearly every building is not going to get built.

Not many are being built though.

Not many are being built though.


How can you say that when you post loads of pics of sites under construction.
If your refering to the big tall buildings then with all due respect you cant exactly build something if theres already a building on site. Theres plenty of demolition & pre- prep work to suggest theres a lot of serious development going on.

How can you say that when you post loads of pics of sites under construction.

Demolition.

Demolition is not under construction.

Actually you post lots of pictures of projects under construction. Is not Pan P & The Landmark, 201BG,Ropemaker under construction. Do the dozens of projects under construction in the city & docklands not constitute construction because they are not tall enough??

If you want to be pessimistic you have got to be prepared for people to dismiss you for it. Right your referring to the big skyscraper projects well Heron is moving onto the pre-prep side of things, 122LH is having basement works done on it. The shard & the pinnacle are both very busy sites & these projects in particular would be the least effected by the financial markets turmoil as they are backed by secure middle east money which has not been effected by the meltdown in western capitals such as NY,London & Paris. LBT & the Pinnacle building will not be complete until late 2011/12 anyway.

Actually you post lots of pictures of projects under construction. Is not Pan P & The Landmark, 201BG,Ropemaker under construction. Do the dozens of projects under construction in the city & docklands not constitute construction because they are not tall enough??

Jef never doubted any of these.

For those that care, he believes on 2 or 3 of the main big projects will 'probably' go ahead and be ready by 2012.

I was referring to you not Jeff. He can write what he likes but one reason he now posts on SSP is his assumptions over facts that he constantly wrote on SSC & was challenged by a lot of people.

I see you & him share similar views . Fair enough but as I said before you will get challenged by a fair few people on your assumptions.

Anyway back to Baltimore Quay.

Demolition.

Demolition is not under construction.

Yes, but that doesnt mean its wont get to become under construction, it is simply the first stage. That doesnt mean that Jef is correct, its just not been built as of yet. It can get very frustrating reading the london forums. It is unbelievable how depressing some people can be. Its almost as if they dont want these buildings get built, just as much as we do.

Actually you post lots of pictures of projects under construction. Is not Pan P & The Landmark, 201BG,Ropemaker under construction. Do the dozens of projects under construction in the city & docklands not constitute construction because they are not tall enough??

Jef did specify 150m which is the commonly accepted height for a skyscraper (even if no official single definition exists). Ropemaker isn't even 100m and can't be called a skyscraper by any definition I know of.

The only 150m+ tower truly under construction in London is the Broadgate tower. Needless to say, I hope Jef's pessimistic view will be proven wrong, and he probably wishes it himself as well.

From Jef on SSP.

The new pa. at Baltimore Wharf / Crossharbour involve revised designs, layout and land uses, removing office uses and providing additional flats and hotel units.

^^
Come on. More towers, less bulk on the ground please. Maybe it time to pull the old designs out of the drawer?

From Jef on SSP.


http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=A89EE2B4E3D1CB0F321FE0F598C84D52?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/08/504

Amendment to the approved application, reference PA/06/2068, permitted on 3rd October 2007 involving revised designs, layout and land uses, removing Office (B1) uses and providing 6 additional hotel rooms (143 in total), 195 serviced apartments, 54 additi


So all the doom & gloom speculation has turned out to be Ballymore cutting the office element & increasing the residential element.

Jef is no longer on here, but still manages to turn a relatively friendly site into turmoil!

He left ultimately because he was questioned. Personally, that is not the sort of character I would choose to quote.

Why is this project listed as on-hold? Have they actually halted construction?

Why is this project listed as on-hold? Have they actually halted construction?

This tower was part of phase 2 of the overall project and that part has been put on hold - but phase 1 ( the lower level development ) which has a plethora of cores already constructed is continuing.

Where & who has said phase two is on hold.If somebody could please post confirmation from the press or from Ballymore then it is just ideal speculation. Do we even know what the timetable for the whole development is?? Didn't someone working on the project way back in the thread months & months ago say that phase two wouldn't start until next year anyway.

Ballymore stagger most of their very large developments, as do most of the large residential developers. For example NPW was built first then Ontario & now Quebec. The same for the Leamouth Peninsula with the northern part of the site developed first.

Hmmm. So those who think its all gone belly up & this is on hold I dont suppose you will be impressed with a 154.8m AOD redesign then. Public Restaurant on 43 & 44 floor.

Heaven forbid- Curves on the isle of dogs!!!

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You are a wealth of hot info!
do they have to resubmit a PA for this?
Are SOM axed then?

NICE. VERY NICE!

WOAH!!!

I like that more than the first one:)

London Lad I wouldn't have expected it from you, I really wouldn't; just because you're frustrated with CW designs it does not mean you have to photoshop some nice looking renderings of a curved tower and pretend it's a real proposal... :ohno:

It would have been more convincing if you'd stuck with making a box-shaped idea, but this curvy tower is clearly a figment or your imagination! Did you hoesntly expect us to believe someone would propose a skyscraper like this for CW...?

Lol what can I say - I have been practising on photoshop.

Manuel- SOM are still architects (planning application is on the usual TH website & has been submitted).

That tower would be 149.2m AGL. could they have not gone 30cm higher?:lol:

If this goes ahead it could be the start of something spectacular.

wow, Ballymore have upped their game, perhaps they expect more serious competition in the highrise sector so wanted a more showy tower? looks very impressive (nice to see corporate SOM plagarising the work of the avantgarde AA crew ;))

edt: looking at those renders it appears they are raising substantially the height of some of the second phase blocks, it this more radical (and expensive) design a canny form of planning distraction?!

Not only are they raising the heights but it seems the ground level will be much better, going on the massings as seen from above.

I'll go as far as to say that this is the best looking residential building planned for the UK.

Anyone for more renderoids?:)

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Hmmm. So those who think its all gone belly up & this is on hold I dont suppose you will be impressed with a 154.8m AOD redesign then. Public Restaurant on 43 & 44 floor.

Heaven forbid- Curves on the isle of dogs!!!

http://i32.tinypic.com/ig9qjd.jpg

WHAT?!?!?!?

That's quite nice. Infact, that's very nice. I love the way the balconies look like waves. Quite appropriate for the area. I hope the balconies aren't seperated and are shared by the entire floor. It'll encourage more of a community bond with neighbours which is difficult to produce in flats.

Edit: I've just noticed the balconies don't run around the entire circumference of the building. It's still a spectacular piece of architecture.



I wonder if this building will push the borough to approve the proposed docklands residential spike which is just a few metres away.

:eek:

Some people at CW wont be able do sleep...those curvy lines are too much at once! :D

It's a nice move for boxy CW but the tower looks a bit stumpy because it is not tall enough.

Some people here confuse various "study" models with the final new proposal.
Construction of Phase 2 is on hold until full pp for the new proposal is eventually secured:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2368559092_54404aa3c8_o.jpg

Jef, it's not on hold then, the tower is having a redesign that's all. :)

Wow, some curves! I like this. Not thrilled with the top - seems to end a bit abruptly - and it is yet another structure taken from the limeted palette of materials that are available to designers these date. A glass and steel structure. How innovative. Yawn.
But compared to the general tripe planned for London at the moment this is a masterpiece. I hope it goes ahead.

Does look like a crushed cardbroard bog roll tube a little bit though....

Jef, it's not on hold then, the tower is having a redesign that's all. :)

Construction of Phase 2 is on hold imo.

I agree with you and London Lad there is still a possibility they start building the old design, then once they got pp for new design, they start demolition and afterwards they kickstart building the new design or, who knows, one of the study models posted above.:)

double post

Lol what can I say - I have been practising on photoshop.

Manuel- SOM are still architects (planning application is on the usual TH website & has been submitted).

I can't find the new app - can you post a link here? It's not under Limeharbour where it should be! (or I'm blind...)

WOW!!! I wake up and im glad to see this, that looks really REALLY good, looks like the kind of tower you would see in the City, not in the Wharf, but hey, there's a first time for everything :lol:

?? Didn't someone working on the project way back in the thread months & months ago say that phase two wouldn't start until next year anyway.

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I am glad somebody else pays that much attention....yes there is supposed to be a one year gap between the low rise and the tower. That insder posted the timeline and I reposted it 3 more times through this thread.


Love the new find BTW...excellent

Even if this doesn't start until next year, I don't care, if approved and built it will be the Swiss Re of the Wharf, and if we have to wait a bit longer to get it, so be it:)

Even if this doesn't start until next year, I don't care, if approved and built it will be the Swiss Re of the Wharf, and if we have to wait a bit longer to get it, so be it:)

The development schedule indicates that, if pp is granted and market conditions permit, construction would start on the first week of November 2008 with delivery due in April 2010.

It looks like a lady's leg, curtsying, while wearing a long but tight skirt.

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Very nice.... :)

It looks like a lady's leg, curtsying, while wearing a long but tight skirt.
Lol that's exactly what I thought whenn looking at that pic. :D

A 2010 delivery date sounds dam good to me!

Maybe on a hot day it'll go over 150!

The development schedule indicates that, if pp is granted and MARKET CONDITIONS PERMIT, construction would start on the first week of November 2008 with delivery due in April 2010.


And those 3 words 'Market Conditions Permit' are the Elephants in the room...:lol:

Who knows what the economy will be like then...:ohno:

wow iv been gone for sometime and come back to a wealth of stories. Well done for everyones contributions, I think I'd be lost without all of your updates LOL. Can't believe the redesign, it looks much better. A height increase and curves, if anyone finds something to complain about then iv lost hope for you, this is exactly what this area of the wharf needs. Just unfortunate about the mid-rise element.

The redesigned tower looks great, but I think it will look out of place next the enormous box to the south of it.

May be I should just be glad they have broken with tradition here.

WOW is this for real? :shocked: or just an April fools joke? :poke:

loving the re-design

Looks like a stepped on empty beer can.

One bloody metre, that's all - there should be a planning law preventing this :soapbox:

The new design isn't my cup of tea. Nice height (at least, compared to the previous height), but I hope it doesn't get planning permission and they come back with something more sensible looking.

^ Yeah how about a nice sensible box? Canary Wharf doesn't have enough boxes after all. ;)

I don't mind something a bit more adventurous than the typical CW fare, and the new design looks okay from some angles. The 'squashed can' look from some angles IMO is awful though.

Its sits a bit uncomfortably with the first phase which looks very dumbed down from its original inception. But the curves will definately add some variety to the architecture in docklands. It actually reminds me of 'makes' proposal above mcdonalds.

Anyone for more renderoids?:)

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Sweet llamas of the Bahamas that's a great design!! :happy:

Wow that loos F-ing great, quite a turn up for the Wharf, I was so unenthusiastic about the previous proposal.

Its sits a bit uncomfortably with the first phase which looks very dumbed down from its original inception. But the curves will definately add some variety to the architecture in docklands. It actually reminds me of 'makes' proposal above mcdonalds.

I agree. The mid rise block looks quite nasty on the latest renderings. This redesign is just a way of copy/pasting more recent trends in architecture. It is a copy of towers proposed in La Defense that in turn were a copy of what's being built in the Middle-East.

Its a copy of towers produced in experimental architecture schools in London for decades! (check out the Bartlett and AA/DRL)

I can't find the new app - can you post a link here? It's not under Limeharbour where it should be! (or I'm blind...)

If you want to find newer applications use the search option by street or address rather than the map as new applications seem to get linked to the map afterwards.

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=99664219330036FA0FDF6EBC4D336358?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/08/504

^ Interesting those top few floor apartments look very large, pretty sure they're larger than those at the top of PP and the previous proposal for this site. (Also quite interesting to see the difficulty they have cramming all the services into that central core and the bathrooms onto the corridor :))

^ Interesting those top few floor apartments look very large, pretty sure they're larger than those at the top of PP and the previous proposal for this site. (Also quite interesting to see the difficulty they have cramming all the services into that central core and the bathrooms onto the corridor :))

I think thats because the top two floors are going to be a restaurant.

Theres an interesting photo on one of the planning documents which has a full scale mock up of a balcony built neat the Thames barrier which shows how big some of these balconies are.

I think thats because the top two floors are going to be a restaurant.

Theres an interesting photo on one of the planning documents which has a full scale mock up of a balcony built neat the Thames barrier which shows how big some of these balconies are.


^ Give me some credit! I can tell the difference between the restaurant and apartments! (only been studying architecture for 4 yrs :()

The apartments run as high up the tower as the restaurant does, for instance look at L45 and the void above the upper restaurant level and the bedroom areas of some of the premier apartments are on the same level.

^ Give me some credit! I can tell the difference between the restaurant and apartments! (only been studying architecture for 4 yrs :()

The apartments run as high up the tower as the restaurant does, for instance look at L45 and the void above the upper restaurant level and the bedroom areas of some of the premier apartments are on the same level.

Interesting that there are be apartments on the same level as the restaurant. Either way you would have a pretty spectacular view from the penthouse (wonder if anybody who has bought a penthouse in Pan P will now look enviously across the dock) & I would bet the restaurant would be very popular. SSC xmas party 2011 anyone ??? :)

Madman- Looks like the 44th floor is half restaurant & half residential & the 45th floor is one half penthouse & one half open to the floor below.

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/doc/Current%20Plan-453283.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=453283&location=VOLUME4&contentType=&pageCount=1