the commonwealth games are bad thing for halifax

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

pretty simple the latte drinkers and art college types know nothing about deficit financing
JONES

[skyscraper_1]

I agree, they are a bad thing. Look what happened to Hamilton, Vancouver, Edmonton and Victoria after they hosted the games, what a sorry bunch of hellholes. :crazy:

and I am not an "art college" student and I hate all types of coffee.

[Penhorn]

^ :rofl:

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

I agree, they are a bad thing. Look what happened to Hamilton, Vancouver, Edmonton and Victoria after they hosted the games, what a sorry bunch of hellholes. :crazy:

and I am not an "art college" student and I hate all types of coffee.


well then move on skycraper because the games are not happening in halifax and if you are looking at history 76 years back in hamilton then that is pretty weak . Along with 12 years ago in victoria, 28 years ago in edmonton, and 52 years ago in vancouver !!!!!. Wow how to think your entitled to something that you cant even pay for. Got a little secret here for you . Read the daily news of today . The city needs a sewer system and that will be the out for the city the province and the feds.funny the article about the short fall was right above bruce devennes new op ed piece on the commonwealth games costs.
Peter Kelly will bite the bullet blaming the council for getting rational and pulling the games support. Even andrew younger a games supporter is wondering what is up with the No show for the committees briefing the other night.
Rodney MacDonald ,John Hamm and the rest of the nova scotia tories will say "well we tried but the council decided to withdrawn"
Then Stephen Harper thru his nova scotia monthpeice Peter Mackay will offer a solution to the budget shortfall for sewer system repair just like saint johns a month ago. Then we will also get the same package for highway to double lane the valley highway of death that the liberals would not do. The tories can knock off scott brison and roger thibault as they were at the paul martin table and thibault espeically could go next election seing how he barely became mp agianst greg kerr.

You see you have to be able to actually provide REAL services to the people who live here not Athletes who are here for 10 days 8 years from now and gone forever. Politicians also need to do things that matter to real people paying real taxes in the real world in order to Get Real votes in elections not people playing Sim City all day being urban planner in their wildest fantasies . That amounts to about 17 people on the bob and atlantic online live site .

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

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[Haligonian]

This guy makes the same posts on half a dozen different forums, often just copying and pasting them. It's fine to point out flaws that you find in the whole process but posting pages and pages of largely irrelevant ramblings is a bit different.

If you are so certain that the games aren't going to happen then why are you bothering to go on your little crusade? Your time could be better spent learning how to use punctuation, develop coherent arguments, etc.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

ahhh my crusade is for the truth to be known not about a grammer lesson. You dont like the message I deleiver then continue to close your eyes turn away and join the party as they drive you in a school bus over a cliff. You can kiss your quality of life goodbye because of the tax bill to come. Today I found more information saying this is a very bad idea. The entire asian market with the exception of India TV right's for was worth a mere $ 400.000.00 US dollars for the 2006 games. In other words more was spent on the domestic bid for Halifax then Asian Tv Rights. Before the chorus begins to sing about India. They refused the $ 600.000 demanded by 2006 games officials because they only paid a little over $ 200.000 US dollars in 2002 for manchester.
The only market that was signed 14 months prior to the opening ceremonies for Melbourne was Australia itself for a 50 million Australia. Channel Nine owned by the richest man in australia was the sucker. with 20 million in production costs and no market interested in bargaining in good faith Mr. Packer was quoted as saying "we will loss 50 million on this deal".

With a rights fee of 40 milion american for games organizers to pay the federation the host country has to sucker an unknowning network into doing the work. On the losses that Kerry Packer's channel nine experienced dont expect a deal like that to be made with any canadian networks and the rumored paying of the CBC to broadcast the games will have the australians playing very hard ball if Halifax comes knocking and you will probably see not commonwealth games coverage in australia if it is held in Halifax.

Interesting that the Asians decreased their payout for CWG rights from $ 450.000 in manchester to $ 400.000 for melbourne.
By 2014 the games rights for that territory will be in the neighboorhood of $ 300.000 or less.

The problem for Halifax is that the only sponsor so far that gets value internationally in their list is Scotiabank. I am sure Scotiabank will be interested in paying 20 million like a who's who of australia business did. Scotiabank however only has a presence in the carribean and south america beyond our shores so 20 million would be charity. The sobeys,aliant and emera will probably not be as giving.

jim jones

[NorthEnd]

You live in Pictou don't you, why does this issue concern you so much? It will effect the city of Halifax much more than it will the province of Nova Scotia.

Besides if you haven't noticed this forum is about urban development and tall buildings. If you wan't to speculate about what may or may not be built as a part of the CommonWealth Games bid that's fine - otherwise keep your thoughts to a more relevant forum.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

hey I started a trend so if you dont like just ignore it. and as far as me being from pictou lets put it this way . Pictou is a part of nova scotia which is being asked to pony up MORE then the HRM. Sure people in halifax pay sales tax too but why should pictou be asked for any involvement what so ever when it does not benefit us and will actually add to the provinces debt. I beleive the handout should stop for everything. sobeys, michelin, stora, the cbc,the commonwealth games and Costco in the chain lake industrial park which is an arm of the chinesse government. The city of halifax provided the land for 1 dollar with it serviced and cleared plus a 20 year tax holiday. Too bad the sobeys have to compete against the chinesse paying nothing to the HRM.
Half of downtown Halaifax is owned by sobeys yet they didnt have that deal for scotia square???
you see in pictou county we just happen to have a coal fired electric generating plant for emera. Not one dine is paid in commercial tax to the town of trenton. This plant was build to supply the increased demand in nova scotia and that has come from the HRM and other areas.
Tuff cove however has Emera and the prior company nova scotia power paying 5 million a year in taxes to Dartmouth and then the HRM. So who is on more of the government purse and who has the discomfort of generating power with dirty coal for the city.
The funds that are being hijacked for a commonwealth games provincially could be used to convert trenton to natural gas thus making living in this province a little fairer or atleast a little cleaner. Hey the 5 million a year you can keep just remember what this part of the province has to go thru to turn the lights on in metro.

[HaliGuy]

hey I started a trend so if you dont like just ignore it. and as far as me being from pictou lets put it this way . Pictou is a part of nova scotia which is being asked to pony up MORE then the HRM. Sure people in halifax pay sales tax too but why should pictou be asked for any involvement what so ever when it does not benefit us and will actually add to the provinces debt. I beleive the handout should stop for everything. sobeys, michelin, stora, the cbc,the commonwealth games and Costco in the chain lake industrial park which is an arm of the chinesse government. The city of halifax provided the land for 1 dollar with it serviced and cleared plus a 20 year tax holiday. Too bad the sobeys have to compete against the chinesse paying nothing to the HRM.
Half of downtown Halaifax is owned by sobeys yet they didnt have that deal for scotia square???
you see in pictou county we just happen to have a coal fired electric generating plant for emera. Not one dine is paid in commercial tax to the town of trenton. This plant was build to supply the increased demand in nova scotia and that has come from the HRM and other areas.
Tuff cove however has Emera and the prior company nova scotia power paying 5 million a year in taxes to Dartmouth and then the HRM. So who is on more of the government purse and who has the discomfort of generating power with dirty coal for the city.
The funds that are being hijacked for a commonwealth games provincially could be used to convert trenton to natural gas thus making living in this province a little fairer or atleast a little cleaner. Hey the 5 million a year you can keep just remember what this part of the province has to go thru to turn the lights on in metro.


More blah blah blah bull shit from this loser. He says the same things over and over agian. He really needs to get a life. This isn't a type of forum to be arguing about stuff,
but all this guy wants to do is cause confrontation. Go away will ya.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

so why do you call it bullshit.if you like I can e mail you every article I have found on the subject one by one and you can look for yourself. That would be about 100 days of e mails. But hey you will just deny the facts and ignore it to have a stadium that will be millions to maintian every year. I actually have the articles as far as the costs of a commonwealth games and I have yet to be presented one single article saying that there are any benefits at all . You see you are part of the 17 people on BOB who love to close your eyes and think that decent on the issue is unpatriotic or treasonous. If I didn t like you attending startrek conventions dressed as an clingon or went to apple world in boston would I be a traitor????? No I would be a person who can deal with the reality COMMOWEALTH GAMES EQUALS 2 BILLION IN DEBT
with not federal funds from a stephen harper government. The same time you ask the rest of nova scotia to pony up money.
No that type of thinking is actually very idiotic.

Heres a question for you .

What costs more the tv rights to the commonwealth games for south africa or a Hynundai Excel
Answer $ 12,000 for the CWG rights for south africa and $ 13,995 for the Excel. And south africa then sublets that feed to the entire continent of africa .

Thing is the evdience is clearly there we need 600 million for a sewer system and we dont need a commonwealth games or a stadium for a cfl team that will be paying no rent or go bankrupt in a few short years.

Jim Jones

[HaliGuy]

Its kind of funny that even the nay-sayers in Manchester think that it was worth it now. The nay-sayers in Vancouver are now glad that Vancouver got the 2010 games. The problem with people like you is that you don't look past the end of your nose. I have never seen a positive post from you on anything CW or other issues. You are a very negative person and in case you haven't noticed this isn't a negitive forum. Nobody bashed other peoples cities or their own. This site is about speaking positve of development around the world. Your defestest negative comments do not belong here. I seen your posts on other forums and you say the same thing over and over again and this is why I call it bulll shit. You write alot and say nothing.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

and it bears repeating again and agian and again to people like yourself come out of the Sim City fantasy world. The commonwealth games are spent event commerically. I am reporting to the world this fact. totally a rip off even against many of the mutli sports events . You see little people like you seem to have the impression that all your dreams can come true with a stadium. Not true at all. Stadiums bring a tax load and professional sports leaches who dont pay rent let alone the costs to maintain .
The twisted towers by the way I have said is a very very good development for the city . May not in your image of a socialist state that trys to castrate any public debate on now tax money is spent.
Singapore rejected the commonwealth games TWICE, wellington new zealand dropped out against manchester and Calgary poop pooped the idea.Wales has opped out in the future, New zealand as well.

Oh then we here the stupid "oh those are just western sour grapes" statement by the CWG cult in hafifax.
Holly crap give your head a shake Calgary withdrew in september 3 months before the domestic bid was awarded.

Getting the games would be an economic diasaster but you know what you would even look at the facts. I shows your mental ability. Please show everyowhere any positive media story saving there is a profit. I have yet to see one and I did take the liberty to search on search engines "commonwealth games benefits". A KMPG report came up for melbourne stating 3 billion in spending for 1,5 billion in benefits.
Wow if a 50 cents on the dollar is great return I have some swamp land you might be interested in.

Jim Jones

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

Its kind of funny that even the nay-sayers in Manchester think that it was worth it now. The nay-sayers in Vancouver are now glad that Vancouver got the 2010 games. The problem with people like you is that you don't look past the end of your nose. I have never seen a positive post from you on anything CW or other issues. You are a very negative person and in case you haven't noticed this isn't a negitive forum. Nobody bashed other peoples cities or their own. This site is about speaking positve of development around the world. Your defestest negative comments do not belong here. I seen your posts on other forums and you say the same thing over and over again and this is why I call it bulll shit. You write alot and say nothing.

Funny you still cant answer the question can you ?????

[Wishblade]

Can I butt in here? Jim, If the question your talking about is about the cost of TV rights, you answered the damn question in your post earlier.

[HaliGuy]

and it bears repeating again and agian and again to people like yourself come out of the Sim City fantasy world. The commonwealth games are spent event commerically. I am reporting to the world this fact. totally a rip off even against many of the mutli sports events . You see little people like you seem to have the impression that all your dreams can come true with a stadium. Not true at all. Stadiums bring a tax load and professional sports leaches who dont pay rent let alone the costs to maintain .
The twisted towers by the way I have said is a very very good development for the city . May not in your image of a socialist state that trys to castrate any public debate on now tax money is spent.
Singapore rejected the commonwealth games TWICE, wellington new zealand dropped out against manchester and Calgary poop pooped the idea.Wales has opped out in the future, New zealand as well.

Oh then we here the stupid "oh those are just western sour grapes" statement by the CWG cult in hafifax.
Holly crap give your head a shake Calgary withdrew in september 3 months before the domestic bid was awarded.

Getting the games would be an economic diasaster but you know what you would even look at the facts. I shows your mental ability. Please show everyowhere any positive media story saving there is a profit. I have yet to see one and I did take the liberty to search on search engines "commonwealth games benefits". A KMPG report came up for melbourne stating 3 billion in spending for 1,5 billion in benefits.
Wow if a 50 cents on the dollar is great return I have some swamp land you might be interested in.

Jim Jones

Its not just about a staduim and CFL team. Its about creating a culture of sport and creating economic development. Giving this part of the country a postive image and amazing exposure and investment. Also I support the twisted towers very much so. If you think I am some kind of a socialist you are very wrong my friend. I support good investment that makes us less dependent on government.

I just did a quick search for some postive material and I got this document first thing. Pretty easy to find positive media on the games. You just choose to ignore it.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/corporate/games/impact.htm

[HaliGuy]

"oh those are just western sour grapes" who said that?

Calgary dropped out because every major sporting event in last 30 years has been B.C and Alberta. They knew they would not win the domestic bid so why waste time and money on it.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

"oh those are just western sour grapes" who said that?

Calgary dropped out because every major sporting event in last 30 years has been B.C and Alberta. They knew they would not win the domestic bid so why waste time and money on it.


well first I think montreal is in quebec and summer games was 30 years ago. Plus winnipeg hosted the the Pan Am games. Then what about all those events hosted in the metro centre? I think a world championship was held there.
Second Calgary had a study commissioned by the City Tourism association and Copa
(calgary olympic park association) officials . The result was the costs far out weighed any benefits. The canadain body of the commonwealth federation was dismayed that calgary withdrew saying that calgary would have done a great job with both many of the facillities already in place and the expertise on the ground from the winter games.

So if calgary was going to lose tell me why did the federation express dismay at the withdrawn of their bid 3 months before the domestic bid?????

It is all in print in the sept 15th edition of the calgary herald.

So with that in mind and that the province of alberta has a 14 billion dollar surplus for the last 12 months and could easily fund kuala lumpar, melbourne and manchester combined plus the montreal olympics and every commonwealth games from victoria back to hamilton why would calgary possibly worry about federal funding???? The reason calgary withdrew was their tourism people see what games opponents see here. A circus that attracts no audience globally of any meaning for a very high price.

The Reason the CWG people were destressed by Calgary pulling out was when the second most successful amateur sports event body in the history of all mankind turned the franchisethat is trouble for the business . That Clearly shows what you are chasing Commonwealth Games Fools Gold.

Remember these are the same (copa) people who cut a record 396 million dollar tv right deal with ABC. Something that had not happened before and will never happen again with American Idol slaughtering the Torino 2006 winter games in the american ratings.

If there was any multi-sports franchise Halifax should go for it would be the Pan AM Games. Pretty simple logic . You keep the european sports construction mob out of our business. You keep the european sporting bodies out like Fina who basically played economic chicken with Edmonton for the world aquatic championships in 2001 and then again with Montreal in 2005. Montreal lost 4.75 million on that experience with 16 million in funding from both the provincial and federal governements.Paul Martin put a hard cap on the funding despite it involving his very own riding. Ops sorry another world championship held in canada beyond the broaders of BC and Alberta. Gosh the former PM was willing to write a blank cheque there too LOLOLOLOL.
With the Pan AM Games You have the american market for tv
with americans competting, and thus exposure to the people who can easily get to this province. The entire tv market for those games within a 4 hour time zone range. Americans coming to Halifax as opposed no one from the rest of the commonwealth coming to Halifax,Nova Scotia when in many cases they watch it for free and the per person rights are worth 0.000016 cents per person in India or less in Africa??? is that Halifax Canada or is that Halifax England the games are in this year. I dont know either one I will never get to because I live in a straw hut in papua new guinea, or south africa or india or bangladish


Jim jones

Jim jones

[HaliGuy]

Edmonton 1978, Calgary 1988, Victoria 1994, Vancouver 2010. Do you really think that the west was due for another... give me a break. You keep referring to Montreal. That has no relevence in this argument because it was a mess due to corruption. Unless your saying Halifax is corrupt is that what your saying.

[HaliGuy]

Its not about worring about federal funding. Its about being chosen as Canada's bid city which they had a slim chance with.

[Wishblade]

Ok, since your talking about our geographical position and how its not located near other commonwealth countries, I see your throwing your support behind the UK which is also located nowhere near any other commonweath nations. So your basically trying to screw our chances of winning and you want Glasgow to be a failure? Because thats the vibe I get from that argument.

[mr.x]

Halifax deserves this. The Maritimes deserves this. Hopefully, it'll give you guys a better sense of being closer to Canada. And besides, along with hosting these Games comes international and national attention, tourism, new infrastructure, jobs, and federal handouts.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

It is about pissing money away that is what calgary was worried about. you have a population that is votes conservative and guess what they decided to do . Put the money in the hands of the people thru tax rebates and not into a worthless european sport franchises with a european construction mob tied at the hip. That was part of the problem with Montreal a damm french arhcitect FROM FRANCE who didnt give a crap about cost because the higher it went the bigger his commission was . His fee was 15 million to start. Remember Alberta had the CWG experience in 1978 first hand . I remember the europeans bitching and complaining about facilities in Calgary for the ski hill in 1988. Well too bad boys we are in business to put money in our pockets not yours and if it wasnt for Peter Ubherhoff in Los Angeles for the 1984 summer olympic games and the Committee of Calgary you would not have a healthy business for decade to come.That was the state of the olympics and multi sports events in the early 80s.

The reasons Albertains are sucessful at business is A. with vast resources in the petrochemcial business they dont invest their royalites into things that dont make money. B. They dont make business decisions on emotional fantasties that are clearly shown to lose mass amounts of money. C. They build sports palaces with a very clear plan to make money or they dont do it at all.
The Revenue Resources of an Alberta even on that scale can be better used by the individual taxpayer.
Victoria was the last CWG's to make a profit for the organizers and there will never be a profit again, only huge losses. The officials of Calgary, New Zealand, Singapore and over half a dozen different world classed cities looked into the 2014 bid and found the damming evidence of a black hole of losses with no benefits. With countries like new zealand who have the facilties in place and a Sir Ron Scott ,chairman of the 1974 CWG's in christchruch NZ. doing the study for minister of sport Trevor Ballard who was the minister of that department for new zealand for the 1990 CWG's in auckland. It Goes to show the experienced people with this franchise and the olympics are turning thumbs down on this relic of a dark colonial past.

As for montreal 1976 yes that is the extreme case but 1.5 billion means your taxpayers have to pay that over 30 years and go without services for half that time with a population of 6 million to draw from. Halifax and the Province of Nova Scotia dont have that revenue source. There is still no federal funding 3 weeks before a major deposit is to be made in england for the 2014 CWG's bid. It does not matter how they got to 1.5 billion The bill 30 years later is the same for a CWG's in 2014. We have one thing very much in common with the governments of quebec and montreal NO FEDERAL FINANCING. The sewer issue in the HRM has being brought to the attention as an out for the City, the Province to dump this turd of an idea. Turds are what have to be taken care of first and foremost from running into the basements of residences.
I see the Games people blinking along with councillors and I hope they dont waste 3 million on something that we cant even win against nigeria or scotland. Nigeria will win this and we will be out 4.5 million for something we would fall flat on our faces with anyways. Pro games people can ty to shine a CWG's Turd all they want but it is still a be fat stinky turd.

JIM JONES

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

Halifax deserves this. The Maritimes deserves this. Hopefully, it'll give you guys a better sense of being closer to Canada. And besides, along with hosting these Games comes international and national attention, tourism, new infrastructure, jobs, and federal handouts.

No federal funding announcements what so ever. Paul Martin made his gestures but that was only a carrot to vote liberal for a promise that would not have to be fullfilled. Nigeria wil be awarded the games and Paul Martin was personally witness to the olympic classes facilities in December of 2003 two months after the All -African Games were held in Abuja .

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

Ok, since your talking about our geographical position and how its not located near other commonwealth countries, I see your throwing your support behind the UK which is also located nowhere near any other commonweath nations. So your basically trying to screw our chances of winning and you want Glasgow to be a failure? Because thats the vibe I get from that argument.


No we have no chance at all Period. We look like idiots in this . think about it those people have the facilites in place and we talk about scaling the games down??? Do you actually beleive that the africans and asians will not vote for their own kind in Nigeria with a stadium, aquatic centre,veldrome and arena all built by olympic preferred contractors????
They would boycott if their majority vote was overturned. I am not worried about the commowealth games coming here because it isnt going to happen without the whole commonwealth spliting up. The asians and africans voted in a block for New delhi and the same is going to be done with Nigeria. I would like to see someone who isnt making us look like absolute idiots win this whether it is scotland or nigeria.

But on the fair side of things I would like to see nigeria win. centuries of being the slave to the colonial masters They are the one DUE FOR THIS not selfish brats in the white part of the commonwealth who have had it 4 times to their zero times.

As for scotland my ancestors are from there and hey I am a sentimential guy for Glasgow the land my ancestors were kicked out of to make way for the british wool company to herd sheep on our land.

JIM JONES

[bluenoser]

No we have no chance at all Period. We look like idiots in this . think about it those people have the facilites in place and we talk about scaling the games down??? Do you actually beleive that the africans and asians will not vote for their own kind in Nigeria with a stadium, aquatic centre,veldrome and arena all built by olympic preferred contractors????
They would boycott if their majority vote was overturned. I am not worried about the commowealth games coming here because it isnt going to happen without the whole commonwealth spliting up. The asians and africans voted in a block for New delhi and the same is going to be done with Nigeria. I would like to see someone who isnt making us look like absolute idiots win this whether it is scotland or nigeria.


So you're gonna just go ahead and assume that all those "africans and asians" are all racists who will only vote "for their own kind" just so those damn whity's don't win? Somehow I doubt that many asians would consider Nigeria the home of "their own kind". And if you're so sure we're not gonna get the games then why do you have to keep arguing about them? I'm all for freedom of opinion but dude you're just annoying. I agree that an African country does definitely deserve the games but at the same time, u keep arguing that we can't afford them... i'd rather Halifax be in debt than a country where people are dying of starvation and malaira and POLIO be in more debt than it already is. I do think that Abuja needs/deserves the games more than Glasgow though. I still think we have a 1/3 chance of winning.

Well actually, I do have some Japanese in me, so maybe I should fully support Nigeria like all the other Ethnics.:weird:

[HaliGuy]

I would like to see Africa have a chance at major world event. However, I don't think it is now. Nigeria has some major problems economically and socially. Security would also be a big problem with several foriegn people taken hostage lately.

Nigeria was also banned from the Commonwealth back in the 90's for five years. Do you really think a country should be awarded the games such a short time after being banned for coruption and human rights abuses. I don't think so myself.

[Wishblade]

I would like to see Africa have a chance at major world event. However, I don't think it is now. Nigeria has some major problems economically and socially. Security would also be a big problem with several foriegn people taken hostage lately.

Nigeria was also banned from the Commonwealth back in the 90's for five years. Do you really think a country should be awarded the games such a short time after being banned for coruption and human rights abuses. I don't think so myself.

True. I think South Africa should be if any place, the first place where the CWG's are held in Africa.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

So you're gonna just go ahead and assume that all those "africans and asians" are all racists who will only vote "for their own kind" just so those damn whity's don't win? Somehow I doubt that many asians would consider Nigeria the home of "their own kind". And if you're so sure we're not gonna get the games then why do you have to keep arguing about them? I'm all for freedom of opinion but dude you're just annoying. I agree that an African country does definitely deserve the games but at the same time, u keep arguing that we can't afford them... i'd rather Halifax be in debt than a country where people are dying of starvation and malaira and POLIO be in more debt than it already is. I do think that Abuja needs/deserves the games more than Glasgow though. I still think we have a 1/3 chance of winning.

Well actually, I do have some Japanese in me, so maybe I should fully support Nigeria like all the other Ethnics.:weird:


Well you being part japanese would like the fact that Abuja is a completely planned city that they only broke ground in 1976 and is the work of a renouned Japanese Urban planner. My general thinking about Abuja was WHAT NIGERIA?????? they are not even in the running. Then I looked via the web at the cities and I was shocked . There things with that country that of course are wrong but if you wanted to pick apart canada or the uk you could.

The country recently had 18 billion in foriegn debt for europe writen off by the paris club . The rest of their debt 12 billion is refinanced in european banks. Canada has 100's of billion in debt. and the last i saw it was in the order of 350 billion to 450 billlion.
There is much going on in nigeria for development. A private airport with foreign money being the source to the tune on 300 million us dollars.@ billion being invested in affordable hosuing by the chinesse. 6 billion by a south koren energy company. Sir richard branson now owns nigerian airways and it is now called virgin nigerian airways. The problems people seem to raise here are not concerning the virgin group, intel, cadbury schwipps and a host of other multi national companies outside the petro chemical industry.

As for the voting block I have the article for that
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/jan/27inter.htm
right from the mouth come of the IOC president of India.

The same pattern is being repeated as nigeria has been asked to host the 2007 afro-asian games and that was done in the bid year of 2003 for hydrabrand india prior to new delhi winning the cwg's for 2010.

When I say people of there own kind I mean to include the developing nations of the commonwealth . The carribbean would certainly come into play.
I certainly consider the india sub continent a place of color and the islands of oceanea. It is not to say the peoples in those region are racists . It is to say I am sure they feel 77 years with 3 times being the hosts in 1966, 1998 and 2010 that we as white nations are the racist ones.
The numbers are very simple
5 times in the uk
4 times in canada
4 times in australia
3 times in new zealand
2 times in asia (with new delhi in 2010)
1 time in the carribean
0 times in africa

The record is clear with once in a country that would be clearly considered to be black in kingston,jamaica we are really being selfish by asking the games to be watered down with a stadium in abuja that looks like this. the same baseless agruements where made prior to the kingston games and they went off just fine.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/NGR/Abuja.html

Very simple math and the commonwealth countries of africa have all experienced the Abuja facilities first hand in 2003 with the All-African Games and the leaders of the commonwealth nation annual summit was held in Abuja that same year two months after the games in December.


The same baseless agruements where made prior to the kingston games and they went off just fine.

Oh and what would also fly in the face of an overturning of a majority decision even in favour of scotland would be that the president of the federal
is mike ferrell a Black Man of Jamaica ,who is a former ceo of Air Jamaica, and the president of the IAAF is a black man from senegal.

The votes are with the developing world or they kick the old commonwealth bitch to the curb and the minority is left to play with itself.
jim jones

[HaliGuy]

Well you being part japanese would like the fact that Abuja is a completely planned city that they only broke ground in 1976 and is the work of a renouned Japanese Urban planner. My general thinking about Abuja was WHAT NIGERIA?????? they are not even in the running. Then I looked via the web at the cities and I was shocked . There things with that country that of course are wrong but if you wanted to pick apart canada or the uk you could.

The country recently had 18 billion in foriegn debt for europe writen off by the paris club . The rest of their debt 12 billion is refinanced in european banks. Canada has 100's of billion in debt. and the last i saw it was in the order of 350 billion to 450 billlion.
There is much going on in nigeria for development. A private airport with foreign money being the source to the tune on 300 million us dollars.@ billion being invested in affordable hosuing by the chinesse. 6 billion by a south koren energy company. Sir richard branson now owns nigerian airways and it is now called virgin nigerian airways. The problems people seem to raise here are not concerning the virgin group, intel, cadbury schwipps and a host of other multi national companies outside the petro chemical industry.

As for the voting block I have the article for that
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/jan/27inter.htm
right from the mouth come of the IOC president of India.

The same pattern is being repeated as nigeria has been asked to host the 2007 afro-asian games and that was done in the bid year of 2003 for hydrabrand india prior to new delhi winning the cwg's for 2010.

When I say people of there own kind I mean to include the developing nations of the commonwealth . The carribbean would certainly come into play.
I certainly consider the india sub continent a place of color and the islands of oceanea. It is not to say the peoples in those region are racists . It is to say I am sure they feel 77 years with 3 times being the hosts in 1966, 1998 and 2010 that we as white nations are the racist ones.
The numbers are very simple
5 times in the uk
4 times in canada
4 times in australia
3 times in new zealand
2 times in asia (with new delhi in 2010)
1 time in the carribean
0 times in africa

The record is clear with once in a country that would be clearly considered to be black in kingston,jamaica we are really being selfish by asking the games to be watered down with a stadium in abuja that looks like this. the same baseless agruements where made prior to the kingston games and they went off just fine.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/NGR/Abuja.html

Very simple math and the commonwealth countries of africa have all experienced the Abuja facilities first hand in 2003 with the All-African Games and the leaders of the commonwealth nation annual summit was held in Abuja that same year two months after the games in December.


The same baseless agruements where made prior to the kingston games and they went off just fine.

Oh and what would also fly in the face of an overturning of a majority decision even in favour of scotland would be that the president of the federal
is mike ferrell a Black Man of Jamaica ,who is a former ceo of Air Jamaica, and the president of the IAAF is a black man from senegal.

The votes are with the developing world or they kick the old commonwealth bitch to the curb and the minority is left to play with itself.
jim jones



Then you have nothing to worry about so why don't you go away and stop bashing Halifax and annoying people because you are very annoying.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

True. I think South Africa should be if any place, the first place where the CWG's are held in Africa.

South africa and nigeria have an arrangement. south africa considered biding but they have agreed to not spoil Nigeira's CWG bid for Nigeria to not bidding on the Fifa world cup in 2010.
South Africa won the Fifa world cup for 2010 and Nigeria will probably get some benefit with prelim games palyed in Abuja National Stadium.
A similiar thing happened with singapore withdrawing from the CWG bid for the 2010 games. Every country in the commonwealth would know that if singapore had of continued with the bid that they probably would not be beaten with such a highly planned city and all facilities in place. Singapore was really in what warfare terms is called a faint. You make your enemy beleive you are doing something, somewheres at a time and they deploy their resources there. This is really the case that singapore scaried some western cities off the bid and then the at the last minute new delhi was alone with hamilton with the asian-african voting block.
jime jones

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

I would like to see Africa have a chance at major world event. However, I don't think it is now. Nigeria has some major problems economically and socially. Security would also be a big problem with several foriegn people taken hostage lately.

Nigeria was also banned from the Commonwealth back in the 90's for five years. Do you really think a country should be awarded the games such a short time after being banned for coruption and human rights abuses. I don't think so myself.
Security was pretty tight at the atlanta games too but Eric Rudoph was on the lose for 4 years plus. Nigeria however had former Liberian President Charles Taylor in custody within 24 hours of Mr. Taylor becoming a fugitive. Who has the better security system???? As far as Nigeria being banned that is history and I did happen to notice Zimbabwe was not banned despite the longest ruling dictator in Africa Robert Mugabe still being in power for the very games nigeria was banned for. The situation continues with Mugabe in Manchester and Melbourne. To punish a country who has come back into the group in good standing while Mugabe is still in power seems a bit hypocritical.

Economics is not an issue for Nigeria with the foreign investors and the writing off of 18 billion in debt from the Paris club of european nations. Nigeria has the same ammount of debt as nova scotia but they have many many more resources that are easier for them to access. The chinesse and koreans are investing hugely into nigeria.

Jim jones

[HaliGuy]

This is quoted from a BBC news report.

"Today's deal is a major step in bringing a better future for the people of Nigeria, in a country in which seven million children receive no schooling at all and one in five die before their fifth birthday."

Do you really think that a country that 7 million of its children don't receive schooling and one in five die before the age of five should be spending money on the games.

You also talk about the debt being the same as Nova Scotia. Not really when you look at what their currency is worth.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

ah no their debt is 12 billion us dollars . That is it. With a resource for petrochemicials that is as large as alberta's. They get their production problems solved and their security issues you will see the revnues coming pooring in.right now they are part of the problem with oil prices, Iran is too.
But the major dfriving force behind fossil fuel prices is china's every increasing demand. That is going for steel as well. Those factors will add to the costs of builidn facilites for a commonwealth games. wembley stadium had 100 million pounds added to the cost via china's demand for steel. This also factored into vancouvers facilities for 2010. Building for a sport event is the very wrong way to have a stadium built in the HRM because of the factors you cannot foresee or control.

someone here said "oh you always mention montreal and that was a case of coruption" well how do you stop a construction union from not striking???
Or the price of steel going up ???? Or concrete???? The dealine factor people take advantage of along with the public purse being opened for parties to grab money out of. It have happened with pretty much every event of this type.
As for poverty would you like that agruement applied to halifax as well to disqualify a country from biding? Not saying halifax is that situation at all but walk down spring garden road with a BBC reporter and I bet they would have a negative story there as well. Lets put it this way Mike Ferrell stated in 2003 he would like the games to go to Africa at some point. Jaques Rogue the President of the International Olympic Committee has mandated that South American and Africa to host the summer olympics in the very near future.
There is a hint for you. There are bigger forces at play here behind the nigerian bid. Mike Ferrell also happens to be an IOC member, a Jamaican who probably heard the very same thing from white nations.

Nigeria did not just decide to make a state of the art sport infrastructure complex by themselves to lose bids to places without any of those facilites. They made those facilites to win bids, raise the international profile and perception of west africa and the continent as a whole. With those facilites and the cash on hand they can easily pay 1 million per member country to secure the votes if they even needed that. That would equal hamiltons offer that was defeated 2003 for the 2010 games with 100,000 dollars to each member state by New Delhi.

They have the help of the IOC and the Europeans. It is clear what the intensions are and who is helping.

The little we have had used without a mandate out of the HRM and provincial tresuries is going to be in vane. another 3 million dollar deposit would be foolish.

Jim Jones

[HaliGuy]

ah no their debt is 12 billion us dollars . That is it. With a resource for petrochemicials that is as large as alberta's. They get their production problems solved and their security issues you will see the revnues coming pooring in.
As for poverty would you like that agruement applied to halifax as well to disqualify a country from biding? Not saying halifax is that situation at all but walk down spring garden road with a BBC reporter and I bet they would have a negative story there as well. Lets put it this way Mike Ferrell stated in 2003 he would like the games to go to Africa at some point. Jaques Rogue the President of the International Olympic Committee has mandated that South American and Africa have to host the summer olympics in the very near future.
there are bigger forces at play here behind the nigerian bid. Mike Ferrell also happens to be an IOC member, a Jamaican who probably heard the very same thing from white nations.

Nigeria did not just decide to make a very formidable sport infrastructure system in a capital city that is a totally planned city existing since 1976.
They have the help of the IOC and the Europeans. It is clear what the intensions are and who is helping.

The little we have had used without a mandate out of the HRM and provincial tresuries is going to be in vane.

Jim Jones

These are facts not perception of a BBC jouralist walking through the country. Every city has pan handlers. In fact I was waliking on Young St in Toronto last year and I actaully had to walk over some laying on the sidewalk.

[HaliGuy]

An yes that is in U.S dollars making there abiltiy to pay off that debt even harder with thier low valued currency.

[HaliGuy]

You see one of the problems with Nigeria is that they are allowing the foreign oil companies to go in there and take their oil and process it some where else and not providing any jobs to the people. The people where the oil is are living iin proverty. The only why Nigeria is benefiting is from royalities which go into a corrupt governments coffers and is not filtered back to the poeple and this is why there is a rebel movement who are the ones kidnapping forgien workers and in a way can you blame them.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

well what do you think the chinesse,europeans,india,united states and a host of other countries pay them in???

it is euro's or green backs(us dollars) . 70 dollar a barrell of oil is still 70 dollars US.
alberta's surplus from oil royalites was 7.5 billion in the last 6 months. that was with a lower price. If it is at 55 dollars a barrell in the near future we will be lucky. That is going to continue for a long time.
jim jones

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

You see one of the problems with Nigeria is that they are allowing the foreign oil companies to go in there and take their oil and process it some where else and not providing any jobs to the people. The people where the oil is are living iin proverty. The only why Nigeria is benefiting is from royalities which go into a corrupt governments coffers and is not filtered back to the poeple and this is why there is a rebel movement who are the ones kidnapping forgien workers and in a way can you blame them.


So you are saying that peter kelly and rodney mac doanld are better then the president of nigeria by having closed door sessions in regards to the commonwealth games bid. With the hijacking of the taxpayer money really there is no difference between nigeria and nova scotia. What I found perplexing was one pro games person that would link hitler,chruchill and tony blair in the same paprgraph on the scotland trend.

One pro games person I encountered online actually believed Stephen Harper was a dictator if he didnt coff up the dough. The commitment no one can find in writing or press release was a campagn promise that will never be fullfilled by Paul Martin. He knows what I know Halifax has a snow balls chance in hell of winning agianst abuja or glasgow. Two seats in metro cost him nothing.

Jim jones

[HaliGuy]

So you are saying that peter kelly and rodney mac doanld are better then the president of nigeria by having closed door sessions in regards to the commonwealth games bid. With the hijacking of the taxpayer money really there is no difference between nigeria and nova scotia.

Jim jones



I'm not going to even respond to that because that is so ridiclous and pathetic thing to say.

[Wishblade]

Wow, could it be that Jim Jones is actually running out of arguments to make? :eek:. Our situation with the games isnt even comparable to what Nigeria's is. They have a totally different set of problems to contend with.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

well you dont have to say anything because that was your inference with nigeria. no difference at all except we have much more freedom to express
ourselves.
Jim Jones

[HaliGuy]

So you are saying that peter kelly and rodney mac doanld are better then the president of nigeria by having closed door sessions in regards to the commonwealth games bid. With the hijacking of the taxpayer money really there is no difference between nigeria and nova scotia. What I found perplexing was one pro games person that would link hitler,chruchill and tony blair in the same paprgraph on the scotland trend.

One pro games person I encountered online actually believed Stephen Harper was a dictator if he didnt coff up the dough. The commitment no one can find in writing or press release was a campagn promise that will never be fullfilled by Paul Martin. He knows what I know Halifax has a snow balls chance in hell of winning agianst abuja or glasgow. Two seats in metro cost him nothing.

Jim jones



Comments like that really speak to what kind of person Jim Jones is which is a bit of a wing nut.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

Wow, could it be that Jim Jones is actually running out of arguments to make? :eek:. Our situation with the games isnt even comparable to what Nigeria's is. They have a totally different set of problems to contend with.

Lack of facilites,The losing of public support,No federal funding, a pro games councillor who is now basically saying put up the information or forget it, a city engineer is crisis management mode for sewer repair.

And the plan fact that history and the votes are not with halifax. Just think about where the votes would have to come from. The british isles countires, gilbrator,malta,cyprus and the falkland islands will support scotland. the asians, caribbeans ,africans, bermuda british giania will support nigeria.
Halifax will get canada's vote that I am certain of.

Jim jones

[HaliGuy]

Like I said before then you have nothing to worry about so stop bashing Halifax and get a life.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

actually I have very very good points to express. One showing that the nigerians are actually smarter then you think is that after the All-African games they sold lotto tickets for the privalage to buy apartment units that were the athletes village. The tickets were sold at 29 dollars us a piece and 6 million dollars worth of tickets were sold. The condos went for 90 thousnad a peice so the ingorance of Nigeria and what they can and cant do it very much a myth.
As for future games and athletes villages they have that under control as it is part of the great urban plan for that model city.

Yes yuo would think Calgary with a red hot real estate market would build an athletes village for a commonwealth games with a 5 year lease time up until the time of the games. Then after the games turn over the housing in a in a lotto fashion with a very much reduced market price. Copa certainly has a fund of 160 million in the bank because of good stewartship and could easily benefit.

But I guess Calgary is not as smart as Halifax or Aduja for that matter.
I am not bashing halfiax at all just the way they pick the biggest turkey in sports events and then think about the the most stupid way to do it.
Victoria made the little profit it did because of the involvement of using the university dorms as rthe athletes village and the main stadium was on the campus of the university of victoria.
If halifax had of planned their sport facilties like knoxville tennessee then it would have been halifax that hosted the 1994 games and not victoria. We are our own worst enemies.
here is how stadiums should be built and Halifax does not have to go as far as knoxville. it is just possible to get the objective in an very cost effective manner if oyu have a plan and build on a strenght you have college sports.
http://utsports.cstv.com/genrel/081001aaa.html
Knoxville is the same population as halfiax yet they have the largest stadium for college sports in america fill to capicoty every game. They also have a 20,000 seat arena an athletics field and aquatic centre.
Moncton is actually taking that same approach with the IAAF 2010 juniors and their stadium on the campus of the university of moncton. It should have been done with St Marys and the 1969 canada games but metro had to express the need to look like a big boy and build beazley field. A plan like tennessee's and now moncton's would have the 25,000 seat stadium and a cfl team here and gone a decade or more ago
Jim jones

[bluenoser]

actually I have very very good points to express.

Well I'm glad you like them..

I don't remember anyone saying that Africans are stupid, and if I read that somewhere on this forum I would sure as hell remember it. Of course they're not stupid, there are just much more serious (ie. life-and-death) problems going on in Nigeria than there are here.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

I actually admire that someone has the smarts that are missing around this neck of the woods with this type of thing. To me why is it that Halifax did not bid on the IAAF juniors like moncton? Seems to me a better way to get a football stadium then having to pay for a 50 million dollar velodrome, a 60 million dolar aquatic centre and all the other things a commonwealth games require. Especially the fact that security is going to cost 300 to 500 million atleast.

If it is a stadium that is the end game in this efford look south to a good reasonable plan that does not involve european sport bodies and their construction MOB.
The commonwealth games does absolutely nothing for international exposure what so ever. That is clearly evidenced by a survey of sports articles in north america and europe during the games in melbourne. It is also clear when 7 million in tickets were given away for the closing ceremonies in melbourne and 496,000 tickets were turned in 12 days before the games unsold. The interest is not there live with an area of 3.5 million to draw from in the state of victoria. With a fraction of the population and the nearest commonwealth nations being 3000 miles away you would be lucky to sell 20,000 seats on track and field days. No one is coming from europe,australia,asia,africa or any part of the commonwealth to halifax for the cwg's when the value for free to air tv rights are about a ten thousanth of a penny per person in much of the commonwealth.
Jiim jones

[skyscraper_1]

I see this is going nowhere....

[Rhino]

whats with writing you name at the bottom of things , thanks KGB for starting a great trend. JIMMY , you have insulted everyone and most of Canada ... whats next in your bag of ridiculous banter...


oh I almost forgot


RHINO

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

whats with writing you name at the bottom of things , thanks KGB for starting a great trend. JIMMY , you have insulted everyone and most of Canada ... whats next in your bag of ridiculous banter...


oh I almost forgot


RHINO

Perfect example of what happens when you step into the international games ring. Vancouver with cost overruns because games committees will not tell the truth, play denial or plead ignorance.

I am so glad to see stephen harpers government only gave 38 million of the 110 million requested. That is a clear lesson for the economist from the riding of calgary west to not fund sports circus' in the first place and you will avoid persons like Gordon Campbell and the Vancouver 2010 committee at your door step with their hands. They begging for money because they are in a situation that costs cannot be controlled and you are subject to construction blackmail with a deadline being watched by the world.

Considering your from kamloops I would say to you keep your premier out of nova scotias business and the committee for vancouver too. Your province has enough on it's plate with the olympics.

Say Rhino if that is your real name what should canadians find insulting about my observations.We are known for the most diasastrous multi sports games host in the history of sports with montreal and at the same time the second most profitable in calgary.

All that halifax has to do is realize after victoria 1994 came kuala lumpar and that put the commonwealth games out of reach of profits and into the league of debt on the order of montreal 1976 for a city of 12 percent the population and a province of 1/6 the population of quebec. Quebec and Montreal finish paying for the olympic this summer after 30 years. Last year they agian showed they did not learn their lesson and lost 4.75 million of the Fina World aquatics championship. This time they even had 16 million in federal money to match the 16 million from th province.

The pro-games people can wine all they want but the province of nova scotia and the HRM have to pay the whole shot as 38 million of 110 million requested for cost overruns for vancouver does not spell a billion dollars from the stephen harper government. The federal tories are paying lip service and letting this turkey die on the vine. The decussion is now going to shift to where do we come up with the 600 million for the sewer systems as well??
At the same time Mayor Peter Kelly says there will be no new taxes because of the games or that is not their intension. The sewer situation however they are talking about raising the water rates to pay. Maybe they should just stop the dreaming and get on with what really matters to people in the HRM having services for the taxes they pay no sport palaces.

Jim Jones

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

Well I'm glad you like them..

I don't remember anyone saying that Africans are stupid, and if I read that somewhere on this forum I would sure as hell remember it. Of course they're not stupid, there are just much more serious (ie. life-and-death) problems going on in Nigeria than there are here.

Well in general lets face it westerners including myself would be generally ignorant and dismissive of the continent. I would generally be that way and I was recently to senegal and gambia. Until you are there you dont really see the entire picture. Still with what I have seen because researching the CWG bid cities my view of that country is totally different.

Doesnt mean it is perfect but I didn t think that of Los Angeles, New York City, Rio , Buenos Aires, Lisbon or Santiago where perfect either. All of which I have visited in the last 9 monthes.

The only places to me that are very high in standards are Monaco and Las Vegas. Odd that two meccas for gambling would appeal to someone who does not have any desire to gamble.

JIm JONES

[HaliGuy]

Well in general lets face it westerners including myself would be generally ignorant and dismissive of the continent. I would generally be that way and I was recently to senegal and gambia. Until you are there you dont really see the entire picture. Still with what I have seen because researching the CWG bid cities my view of that country is totally different.

Doesnt mean it is perfect but I didn t think that of Los Angeles, New York City, Rio , Buenos Aires, Lisbon or Santiago where perfect either. All of which I have visited in the last 9 monthes.

The only places to me that are very high in standards are Monaco and Las Vegas. Odd that two meccas for gambling would appeal to someone who does not have any desire to gamble.

JIm JONES


Your such a jack-ass Jim Jones.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

well calling me a jackass does not hurt my feelings just shows your mental capacity.
A jackass is someone who wants a stadium at any cost for a franchise in a league that at times is at the verge of going out of business.
The cfl hasnt had a decade recently that atleast one frachise hasnt gone bankrupt. Halifax would be just as bad if not worse then Ottawa. The big difference is Ottawa's Frank Claire stadium was built in 1918 and has long since be paid for. The renegade dont even pay enough in rent to maintain the building. We would have a stadium that will cost for the next 100 years without a tenant paying a dime. WHy should the people who dont pay to watch the CWG's or CFL football subsidize some elses entertainment or sport franchise?

The evidence is very clear all these dreams of grand sports palace's take away tax dollars for other entertainment businesses paid taxes.

There are plenty of studies by the brookings institute and others that show that Stadiums and Arenas paid for by the taxpayer are a bad idea as the owners have you over a barrel thus holding the taxpayers hostage to the point that you are actually paying the franchise fo occupy your building . It happened with the halifax citidels and the metro centre to the tune of 35,000 dolars a game the city had to pay that club to be here.

JIM jones

[HaliGuy]

well calling me a jackass does not hurt my feelings just shows your mental capacity.
A jackass is someone who wants a stadium at any cost for a franchise in a league that at times is at the verge of going out of business.
The cfl hasnt had a decade recently that atleast one frachise hasnt gone bankrupt. Halifax would be just as bad if not worse then Ottawa. The big difference is Ottawa's Frank Claire stadium was built in 1918 and has long since be paid for. The renegade dont even pay enough in rent to maintain the building. We would have a stadium that will cost for the next 100 years without a tenant paying a dime. WHy should the people who dont pay to watch the CWG's or CFL football subsidize some elses entertainment or sport franchise?

The evidence is very clear all these dreams of grand sports palace's take away tax dollars for other entertainment businesses paid taxes.

There are plenty of studies by the brookings institute and others that show that Stadiums and Arenas paid for by the taxpayer are a bad idea as the owners have you over a barrel thus holding the taxpayers hostage to the point that you are actually paying the franchise fo occupy your building . It happened with the halifax citidels and the metro centre to the tune of 35,000 dolars a game the city had to pay that club to be here.

JIM jones

You just don't get it do ya.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

no you see you are the one who does not get it.

[Jonestowncultinpicto]

congrates to the nation of Nigeria for retiring all foreign debt today as reported on CNN . A debt which amounted to nova scotia's provincial debt of 12 billion dollars. On the books now are development projects like a 1.8 billion dollar highway system thru the delta region of the country and infrastructure projects.
Nigeria has more in proven oil resereves then all of europe with the exception of the former soviet republics. Twice as much in proven reserves than canada for both natural gas and oil.

Yes nigeria can well afford a commonwealth games with monies from a 70 dollar a barrel oil market and plenty of oil easily excessible.

Abuja has the turn key solution for the games and who knows they just many give countries like india a million dollars in oil for their vote as that could be more valued in a place with huge energy demands like India.

Jim jones.