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April 22nd, 2009, 09:36 PM
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View Full Version : DUBAI | 23 Marina | 393m | 1289ft | 90 fl | Com saeed April 22nd, 2009, 09:36 PM :drool: FINALLY!! Imre April 24th, 2009, 12:30 PM 24/April/2009 23 Marina http://i44.tinypic.com/6yi1qd.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/30bffc0.jpg CULWULLA April 27th, 2009, 03:33 AM now over 200m tall. great shots saeed April 28th, 2009, 09:18 PM But still half way!! CULWULLA April 28th, 2009, 11:39 PM its currently floor 50 in corebox or 205m high. floor toppout is lev87 or 320m. so floor plates are nearly 2/3 or way up. but yeah if you count the feature above this its half way. Imre May 1st, 2009, 11:02 AM 01/May/2009 23 Marina http://i44.tinypic.com/bhd150.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/20hoj8n.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/25tw1v7.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/msgb9k.jpg saeed May 1st, 2009, 09:07 PM lev 51 Junkie May 1st, 2009, 11:55 PM Dear guys. I have one question. I need that media for Dubai which goes on many international TV channels like Eurosport, Discovery and many others. So please if anyone got link for that video I will be very happy. skyperu34 May 2nd, 2009, 02:31 AM It is looking very nice and interesting... jhalsey May 2nd, 2009, 11:45 AM 38 to go CULWULLA May 4th, 2009, 02:41 AM lev52 in corebox or 212m/700ft high Eric Offereins May 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM good progress. I like that cladding. :) Imre May 15th, 2009, 12:14 PM 15/May/2009 23 Marina http://i44.tinypic.com/2aheb9u.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2ylsift.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/j15zzk.jpg helghast May 16th, 2009, 12:18 PM if the 23 Marina ends up being like this pic. http://tinypic.com/dr3vqo.jpg its going to be one of my fav skyscraper's saeed May 16th, 2009, 09:46 PM I beleive everything in that render, except the greanary in the bottom....they never make that part! CULWULLA May 19th, 2009, 12:33 AM great shots imre. lev53 in core or 216m Ukraine May 19th, 2009, 12:38 AM the tower looks like its bending. Maybe because of the crane:dunno::dunno::dunno: jayOOfoshO May 19th, 2009, 07:25 AM nice building but nothing spectacular two problems: - not ecofriendly - no one is ever going to buy any of the property since everyone's leaving Dubai due to the credit crunch (:lol:) AltinD May 19th, 2009, 05:17 PM Oh great ... another one learned a new word lately and found a place to (ab)use it. :hahano: germantower May 19th, 2009, 05:20 PM the tower looks like its bending. Maybe because of the crane:dunno::dunno::dunno: Yes it is SO much bending, that today the upper floors have reached ground level and it looks somehow oval shaped.The best thing is, it isnt broken into pieces and guess what, it bending ecven more. Now we can call it 23 marina egg or gumtower or so! saeed May 19th, 2009, 10:28 PM ^^ Come on man! what is this?! :ohno: germantower May 19th, 2009, 11:06 PM ^^ An extra exaggareted, ironical reaction, because of such a stupid question! I mean, has he never heard about something like, holding a camera not straight and effect "leaning" stuff on pictures? rgarrison May 20th, 2009, 07:12 AM He didn't say it IS. He only said it LOOKS LIKE its bending. But whatever. Imre May 20th, 2009, 03:21 PM 20/May/2009 23 Marina http://i41.tinypic.com/qqzt6w.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/6nqw4o.jpg saeed May 20th, 2009, 11:19 PM No tower yet pass the height of Emirates crown 296m. I guess they will all get there together....that would be awosome!! AltinD May 21st, 2009, 07:31 PM ^^ Emirates Crown is not 296 meters, more like 15 - 20 meters shorter. The spire was supposed to be double the height for the building to reach 296 meters tall. no_gods May 21st, 2009, 11:07 PM ^^ Emirates Crown is not 296 meters, more like 15 - 20 meters shorter. The spire was supposed to be double the height for the building to reach 296 meters tall. Didn't know that. "Only" 276 (around) meters for the biggest building in Dubai Marina? It's already pretty sick, but Dubai Marina is going to be awesome in few months (years) when all supertalls complet. saeed May 21st, 2009, 11:37 PM ^^ Emirates Crown is not 296 meters, more like 15 - 20 meters shorter. The spire was supposed to be double the height for the building to reach 296 meters tall. R U SERIOUS?!!!! :runaway: So how come its listed everywhere with this height? This honestly the first time I hear such a thing!!!! Hollie Maea May 22nd, 2009, 12:14 AM So how come its listed everywhere with this height? Because no one pays attention to reality. Which is probably why you hadn't heard about it. Just look at it and you can see they dropped the ball. AltinD May 22nd, 2009, 10:46 AM R U SERIOUS?!!!! :runaway: So how come its listed everywhere with this height? This honestly the first time I hear such a thing!!!! Because as Hollie said you hadn't paid attention to the thread in the UAE section when the spire was going up. I think a height of 276 meters was even quoted in some article posted when the tower was still under construction. Let me guess, you didn't know that Marina Crown (the one between Ocean Height and Elite residence towers) was supposed to have a glass pyramid-like structure on top, right? ;) Imre May 22nd, 2009, 12:33 PM 22/May/2009 23 Marina http://i42.tinypic.com/2s66onn.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/4jkght.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2ic4mxx.jpg saeed May 25th, 2009, 12:15 AM ^^ to be honest, I felt its shorter than what it stated for! but I beleived emporis and wikipedia and I should stop relying on those 2 sources!! So that means even sulafa tower will be taller than the crown?!! really interesting..... CULWULLA May 26th, 2009, 06:50 AM ^^ Emirates Crown is not 296 meters, more like 15 - 20 meters shorter. The spire was supposed to be double the height for the building to reach 296 meters tall. I worked out a little while back by scaling other nearby towers of known heights that emirates crown is 284m to spire see diagram http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3442380583_4bb91048b4_o.jpg 255m to roof 273m to crown 284m to puny spire Imre May 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM 29/May/2009 23 Marina http://i44.tinypic.com/2h36hrs.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/2941jpv.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/2qn18uh.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/kehj0i.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/2lxgf8y.jpg saeed May 30th, 2009, 09:59 PM 33 floors to go! sounds like a whole building is yet to be built on top!!! Sentient Seas May 31st, 2009, 05:46 AM Very nice photos, it's looking great! ReiAyanami May 31st, 2009, 07:51 PM Good to see the cladding is the same as designed in the renderings. It will look good! saeed June 2nd, 2009, 12:12 AM According to Culwulla latest diagram, this is at 215m now AltinD June 2nd, 2009, 10:48 AM ^^ That's more or less correct, considering that (in real life) it seams to be at the same height as the 215m tall Al Seef Tower nearby. Imre June 5th, 2009, 01:30 PM 05/June/2009 23 Marina http://i41.tinypic.com/15fgbom.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2jebdll.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2r5q2yw.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/2eclv8o.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/14twpcz.jpg CULWULLA June 5th, 2009, 01:44 PM ta for pix imre will 23marina be the tallest octagonal tower in t he world? saeed June 6th, 2009, 11:02 PM octagonal ?! malec June 6th, 2009, 11:21 PM Well yes, it does have 8 sides afterall :) saeed June 7th, 2009, 03:14 PM ^^ I knew the meaning of it:shifty:! germantower June 7th, 2009, 03:54 PM ta for pix imre will 23marina be the tallest octagonal tower in t he world? So what? AND IF? Would this be a mentionable acchievement? NO!Weare creating too much world record categories. Imre June 7th, 2009, 06:26 PM ta for pix imre will 23marina be the tallest octagonal tower in t he world? yes and it will have 57 swimming pools :cheers: AltinD June 7th, 2009, 06:42 PM ^^ More like plunge pools. Doomlord_uk June 8th, 2009, 11:57 PM ^^ More like plunge pools. Those are on the outside ;) AltinD June 9th, 2009, 12:34 PM ^^ And those make also the bulk of that '57' quoted number. ;) CULWULLA June 10th, 2009, 04:05 AM So what? AND IF? Would this be a mentionable acchievement? NO!Weare creating too much world record categories. what you mean so what? just asking question about its structural design. I think its imprtant and interesting to see whats tallest type in world. I think its an engineering feat especialy with all those p00ls. Pengui June 10th, 2009, 03:12 PM what you mean so what? just asking question about its structural design. I think its imprtant and interesting to see whats tallest type in world. I think its an engineering feat especialy with all those p00ls. Isn't the current tallest octogonal tower in Sydney? If it's still the one, this is going to beat it by quite a margin ;-) Dan Hochhaus June 10th, 2009, 07:49 PM ^^ Well, the tallest one(s) using an octogonal pattern are the Petronas Towers (452m) - this'll be out of bounds for 23 Marina. But probably you were looking for a more simple shape, an octogonal tower with a straight vertical facade and without ledges etc. Then you might be right with Sydney... IDS Tower / Minneapolis (241m) is only octogonal when seen from far, and towers like 311 South Wacker Drive / Chicago (293m) or Bear Stearns World HQ / NYC (231m) have non-octogonal floors, too. So we can compare 23 Marina with the 228m of the MLC Centre from down under - and "Twenty-Three" will surpass this very soon. :) Imre June 12th, 2009, 11:40 AM 12/June/2009 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/23l1so1.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/hwk0op.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2uigqqd.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/90nm92.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/27xphkm.jpg malec June 12th, 2009, 12:13 PM This will slow down now since the next floor is another mechanical floor. helghast June 13th, 2009, 12:27 AM here's an interior pic, with some others of the tower http://www.constructionweekonline.com/pics-5375-23_marina/2 CULWULLA June 15th, 2009, 02:19 AM great snaps lev58 in core=232m its now taller then sydneys former tallest-the 228m/60st MLC centre from 1977 http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/sydney/kveau0516s.jpg YasinH June 15th, 2009, 04:00 AM great snaps lev58 in core=232m its now taller then sydneys former tallest-the 228m/60st MLC centre from 1977 http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/sydney/kveau0516s.jpg Very much similar to marina 23 in terms of shape Imre June 15th, 2009, 02:12 PM 15/June/2009 http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/78/imresoltdubaiphotos002.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/imresoltdubaiphotos002.jpg/) Imre June 15th, 2009, 02:24 PM 15/June/2009 23 Marina http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3008/imresoltdubaiphotos073.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/imresoltdubaiphotos073.jpg/) Imre June 26th, 2009, 12:25 PM 26/June/2009 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/ei75ug.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/2qtbqqe.jpg Imre July 2nd, 2009, 08:43 PM 02/July/2009 23 Marina http://i40.tinypic.com/2la4rwj.jpg CULWULLA July 9th, 2009, 01:02 AM lev60=242m great snaps Imre July 10th, 2009, 12:36 PM 10/July/2009 23 Marina http://i26.tinypic.com/154zfns.jpg http://i26.tinypic.com/33dk074.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/25855rd.jpg Dan Hochhaus July 11th, 2009, 03:06 AM Ha! With the taller levels 57/58, the next transition part of technical floors is visable now. Only 25 floors from there until the cone shaped top starts... Imre July 17th, 2009, 11:08 AM 17/July/2009 23 Marina http://i29.tinypic.com/282e7o.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2h3uckj.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/4rcp3n.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/2r6oej5.jpg bizzybonita July 21st, 2009, 04:01 PM http://www.etastar.com/ETASTAR_CMS/images/Picture/23M-090709-Image9.jpg Imre July 28th, 2009, 12:28 PM 28/July/2009 23 Marina http://i27.tinypic.com/1zfk1on.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/oa3upu.jpg Dubai Skyscraper July 28th, 2009, 02:17 PM thx for the updates Imre! :banana2::banana2::banana2: Imre August 4th, 2009, 08:43 AM 04/August/2009 23 Marina http://i30.tinypic.com/av0d44.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/2rgyypf.jpg ida.zhan August 4th, 2009, 09:31 AM the pics so wondeful CULWULLA August 5th, 2009, 02:21 AM lev62 in core or 247m. great snaps Imre August 7th, 2009, 11:21 AM 07/August/2009 23 Marina http://i31.tinypic.com/dlp378.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/2mn3vvp.jpg http://i31.tinypic.com/30lmdck.jpg http://i31.tinypic.com/59u1q0.jpg DennisS August 7th, 2009, 11:57 AM Why did they stopped installing the cladding? Looks like they're waiting with it since a while... Axel_F August 7th, 2009, 12:06 PM ^^ I see no stop on cladding. They only working on the cladding of the windows around the bottom of the tower. Imre August 14th, 2009, 12:51 PM 14/August/2009 23 Marina http://i32.tinypic.com/30vdtep.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/34srl79.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/11i3020.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/2cnxvs4.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/10clvzt.jpg Sentient Seas August 14th, 2009, 07:27 PM Again, very nice photos, Imre. The Marina looks awesome! c6josh August 20th, 2009, 10:12 AM Name: 23 Marina Location: Dubai Marina Floors: 89 Height: 395 m / 1296 ft Use: Residential Key Fact: The tower will have 57 swimming pools http://207.44.228.232/photopost/data//500/223_Marina.jpg http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2005-03/21/ETA.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/dubaiflo/23ren.jpg http://tinypic.com/dr3vqo.jpg http://tinypic.com/dxmhyf.jpg what! 57 swimming pools, the name should be changed to water tower...i Imre August 21st, 2009, 12:58 PM 21/August/2009 23 Marina http://i30.tinypic.com/w72cte.jpg http://i26.tinypic.com/2r77o5f.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/b7mdxe.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/2uj0b2h.jpg http://i28.tinypic.com/xbbq6o.jpg CULWULLA August 24th, 2009, 02:39 AM great shots. lev64 in core 0r 258m. S.T.Y AP August 25th, 2009, 04:21 AM i don't liked. Killatown August 25th, 2009, 05:17 AM the design is too bored but i like he tower only for the 89fl TXSkyWatcher August 25th, 2009, 05:36 AM Twin sons from different mothers? :D erPiadda August 26th, 2009, 11:31 AM yeah i agree killatown the design is boring i only like the spire Imre August 28th, 2009, 11:24 AM 28/August/2009 23 Marina http://i30.tinypic.com/2428zg6.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/308e55j.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/8xkkeu.jpg Imre September 4th, 2009, 11:45 AM 04/September/2009 23 Marina http://i31.tinypic.com/1087cbt.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/2m5jjom.jpg http://i28.tinypic.com/2chougm.jpg erPiadda September 7th, 2009, 04:29 PM the cladding seems to be slow Imre September 8th, 2009, 12:17 PM 08/September/2009 23 Marina, Marina Pinnacle, Sulafa Towers etc http://i32.tinypic.com/whnses.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/2i0q900.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/2ns6q7a.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/35b8m5u.jpg http://i28.tinypic.com/2n0vk9w.jpg Blue Flame September 11th, 2009, 12:18 AM Nice pictures! I like the view from one of the other towers overlooking the tallest block. Did you take the final 2 pictures from the Torch? If not which building was it?:) Imre September 11th, 2009, 12:12 PM 11/September/2009 23 Marina http://i31.tinypic.com/2yo63gk.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2qtetlw.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/33xa8lc.jpg erPiadda September 17th, 2009, 04:08 PM the cladding is nice Imre September 18th, 2009, 02:47 PM 18/September/2009 23 Marina http://i29.tinypic.com/2ezny9t.jpg http://i26.tinypic.com/adoxao.jpg http://i31.tinypic.com/ae1hsm.jpg Stephan23 September 22nd, 2009, 01:08 AM Has this one speed up?? In what floor we are? Dubaiiscool:) September 22nd, 2009, 05:59 AM Found the official website today and there construction updates on it from the 9th of September. Says core is at level 71 and that they are up to floor 64 with construction and have finished with cladding up to 35th floor. Here's a link: http://www.hircon-me.com/contsruction_updates/default.asp CULWULLA September 22nd, 2009, 06:50 AM i must be counting wrong. ive been doing the diagram for over a year and my count is currently 68 in core.? or 279m. go figure. Imre September 22nd, 2009, 07:02 AM count it :) 21/Sept/2009 23 Marina (The World visible as well ) http://i35.tinypic.com/245btsn.jpg CULWULLA September 22nd, 2009, 07:19 AM ^thanks. but i count to lev69 first apartment floor=7 first plant=lev31/32/ 2nd plantroom=lev57/58. highest floor slab atm=lev63 with lev69 in core? unless some floors are missing or double levels? Imre September 25th, 2009, 11:25 AM 25/September/2009 23 Marina http://i34.tinypic.com/so905x.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/353cqig.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/t6wjfd.jpg http://i38.tinypic.com/30t077k.jpg erPiadda September 26th, 2009, 04:10 PM this is growing pretty fast Dan Hochhaus September 27th, 2009, 04:38 AM ^thanks. but i count to lev69 first apartment floor=7 first plant=lev31/32/ 2nd plantroom=lev57/58. highest floor slab atm=lev63 with lev69 in core? unless some floors are missing or double levels? I get the same figures... 14 more levels with vertical outwalls to come in core. :) The beginning of the third group of 24 floors is clearly visible with this extra ledge on four walls in every 2nd floor. Looking up, one can already see an outlined triangle marking the shape of the first ledge btw. But the question is how we get 89 floors in the end, as the additional lev83 should be the last vertical one, plus the two penthouse levels up to lev85. But there are enough candidates that could count double: lev4 and 6 above the podium and the plantroom levels. Also lev83 and the penthouses on top look ultralarge on the sign board. Coinpeace September 27th, 2009, 04:45 AM looks simple yet intresting... i like it! Imre September 27th, 2009, 01:34 PM 27/September/2009 23 Marina http://i37.tinypic.com/2vm7dz8.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/2ci8ghv.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/29ve5c5.jpg Пятница September 30th, 2009, 08:03 PM OMG!!!:eek: How many floors are now? Jeromeo September 30th, 2009, 09:19 PM I am counting 67 floors.:) CULWULLA October 1st, 2009, 03:28 AM lv69 in core box or 280m. very unsual method of construction. looking good Burj Duboy October 1st, 2009, 02:05 PM Same method as HK's ICC. Central core and outer columns first, slabs later. Imre October 2nd, 2009, 10:05 AM 02/October/2009 23 Marina http://i37.tinypic.com/2w5ilxg.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2rzv31y.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/ribwgg.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/5y85c4.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/2pyx8wh.jpg Пятница October 3rd, 2009, 08:40 PM Thanx THANX thanx!!!!!! for sharing! Luis_Olayag October 3rd, 2009, 08:49 PM woww erPiadda October 7th, 2009, 03:42 PM caldding is niece Sparxter October 8th, 2009, 06:54 PM http://i37.tinypic.com/2pyx8wh.jpg Quality of concrete is bad...?! Imre October 9th, 2009, 10:50 AM Quality of concrete is bad...?! yes, DCE quality :lol: 09/October/2009 23 Marina http://i33.tinypic.com/nq8wh.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/250mts0.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/110y5js.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/2qxq1zc.jpg The_Bazz_92 October 9th, 2009, 02:13 PM Why are they using low-quality concrete o.0? AltinD October 9th, 2009, 02:15 PM Why are they using low-quality concrete o.0? The quality of the work, not of the material itself. Dan Hochhaus October 10th, 2009, 09:46 PM Two new floors in one week... 23 Marina has never raised quicker! Imre October 14th, 2009, 04:49 PM 14/October/2009 23 Marina http://i38.tinypic.com/34te62r.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/2lv0ndi.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/121vlgi.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/33vjald.jpg The_Bazz_92 October 14th, 2009, 06:59 PM ^^ Amazing shots at dusk :) CULWULLA October 15th, 2009, 12:40 AM i think lev72 in core or 282m. zooming up Stephan23 October 15th, 2009, 11:28 AM Wouw, great ! :okay: Imre October 16th, 2009, 10:30 AM 16/October/2009 23 Marina http://i35.tinypic.com/23jg7me.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/34j41vs.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/ix76vd.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/vg62wh.jpg Imre October 23rd, 2009, 12:08 PM 23/October/2009 23 Marina http://i35.tinypic.com/hx0l5f.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2hmhd2g.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/ju944j.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/11bp2eb.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/2rm5qif.jpg Sentient Seas October 24th, 2009, 02:50 AM Very nice photos, Imre! It's looking great. Imre October 29th, 2009, 06:50 AM 29/October/2009 The Torch,Princess Tower, Ocean Heights, 23 Marina http://i35.tinypic.com/dzj7m9.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/2le74o9.jpg http://i38.tinypic.com/2ent2ec.jpg BlackSmith! October 29th, 2009, 11:41 AM ^^Very fast, 5 floorplates in one month now:) Stephan23 October 29th, 2009, 11:56 AM Where are we now?^^ Dan Hochhaus October 29th, 2009, 04:44 PM Core is at lv73 or 74 now (if there's enough space for two levels under the formworks), and floor plates at lv69 half-way, I think. wap-190 October 29th, 2009, 06:40 PM could it be that they moved some of the workers from the torch to 23 marina, because the torch slowed down a lot for the last floors (well they don't need to be fast, cladding and everything else is far behind), while 23 marina accelerated with the floorplates. germantower October 29th, 2009, 06:53 PM ^^ Related to the toch the adding of cladding is now much more important than the height increasing. They can start with MEP works on a floor when they clad a whole floor and than start with the interiors, which is a lot of work. They have their plan and we have to be patient and follow the progress wherever it will be. Imre October 30th, 2009, 12:33 PM 30/October/2009 23 Marina http://i36.tinypic.com/op8r9i.jpg Imre October 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM 30/October/2009 Dubai Marina , tallest block http://i36.tinypic.com/dxzjsw.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2q3y80m.jpg droneriot November 3rd, 2009, 06:26 PM A little uninteresting anecdote on the side. Last night I dreamt I was in Dubai and because of a change in ownership 23 Marina - the way it is now - had to be torn down, and in it's stead they started constructing a boxy 64-floor office building with generic blue glass cladding, similar to 4WTC without the setback. When the demolition crews for 23 Marina arrived there was a large protest gathering and I was one of the protestors, but it was demolished anyway (with a huge wrecking ball on a really tall crane of all things). The dream ended after that. No idea why I'd dream about such a thing... Dan Hochhaus November 3rd, 2009, 09:49 PM ^^ :lol: What a precise dream! Is this 'cause of the mystical number 23? ;) Some years ago I dreamt another way: a fantastic skyline in a nameless city with never seen scrapers before my eyes (this felt wonderful)... But in case of 23 Marina: why didn't the "new investor" use the existing tower as an extended core and built the box around? Though that'd still be crazy.:crazy: Fortunately, in general towers aren't rebuilt just to fit the recent company logo. And fortunately the real 23 Marina has one direction: up! So the SSC Dubai crew doesn't have to paint bed sheets... steve1young November 3rd, 2009, 11:05 PM 02/October/2009 http://i37.tinypic.com/2pyx8wh.jpg Am I the only one that is a bit freaked out by the flimsy looking connection at the upper right hand corner of Imre's pic? If I remember correctly from the floor plans, these triangular terraces hold quite a lot of weight including the private mini-pools. I'm sure a lot of research and study has gone into this and I'm sure it's going to be just fine, but doesn't it look kindof strange for a connection for a load-bearing terrace? Or, is it just me and should I just crawl back into my cyber-corner and suck my thumb? Thoughts? malec November 4th, 2009, 12:07 AM ^^ I was thinking about that. And DCE wouldn't be the contractor I'd trust the most for this sort of stuff. :runaway: GOL2007 November 5th, 2009, 08:05 PM There are screws available which can easily take this load. What frightens me is the bad quality of the concrete. Look just right above the "57" sign. You can see the rebar because they poured the concrete very badly. The rebar is now open to corrosion. And this is not just any floor, it's a structural floor which holds the entire building together... So droneriots dreams might come true... only without the wrecking ball! :runaway: The Engineer November 5th, 2009, 08:27 PM ^^ You are absolutely right! The quality of the concrete looks seriously bad. But if they fix this properly there has to be no problem with it in the future. The steel which is bolted to the concrete can be mounted like this. We don't know the loads on this part. Maybe there will be more steel or other supporting parts there so the load on this part isn't that high. Imre, if you are in the tallest block again can you make more of the detailled photo's? I like to see how the overall construction quality is in this block/Dubai. malec November 6th, 2009, 12:52 AM The Torch has exactly the same problems since it's built by the same contractor. Imre November 6th, 2009, 05:13 AM Imre, if you are in the tallest block again can you make more of the detailled photo's? I like to see how the overall construction quality is in this block/Dubai. The quality is the concrete works is very bad specially the DCE (The Torch and 23 Marina) , ACC concrete works little bit better (Elite,Princess) but still rubbish. TAV (Marina101 and Sulafa) is ok , Arabtec (Ocean Heights,Infinity) is good quality. This is not the tallest block but the best in Dubai Marina, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=506679&page=3 , DCC seems really good. Anyway is not always linked with the contractor, depends what the developer ask, if they reduce the costs,the contractor will use lower quality concrete. Imre November 6th, 2009, 11:16 AM 06/November/2009 23 Marina http://i36.tinypic.com/2yvmmgw.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2yplpbo.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/jrp3ww.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/9a7hxe.jpg droneriot November 6th, 2009, 05:11 PM Arabtec (Ocean Heights,Infinity) is good quality. Good, those are the ones that matter the most. malec November 6th, 2009, 11:16 PM I wonder how high this is now. Imre November 7th, 2009, 02:55 PM 07/November/2009 23 Marina now easy to count :) http://i34.tinypic.com/2ntk9e8.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/ay4rv7.jpg Dubai Skyscraper November 7th, 2009, 06:33 PM cool, floor plates at 71, core at 74 or 75 :banana: thanks a lot Imre! Imre November 13th, 2009, 08:55 AM 13/November/2009 23 Marina http://i34.tinypic.com/2q3rlw1.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/23ljzk.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/2r70dix.jpg kanye November 13th, 2009, 06:37 PM what's the current floor they working on? droneriot November 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM I just counted and arrived at 73. Not too sure, though, I'm not very good at this (I easily lose track). Dan Hochhaus November 13th, 2009, 09:24 PM If the second windowless service floor counts as one floor (58th), I see even the 74th floor under formwork on top. Imre November 20th, 2009, 04:57 PM 20/November/2009 23 Marina http://i49.tinypic.com/zldv89.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2v99np0.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/5e9xkn.jpg Imre November 25th, 2009, 03:59 PM 25/November/2009 Dubai Marina tallest block http://i49.tinypic.com/b5h1mp.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/2v16ffb.jpg arturro666 November 25th, 2009, 09:36 PM Is this a view from Your apartment? Imre November 25th, 2009, 09:44 PM No, from the roof. CULWULLA November 25th, 2009, 11:14 PM yes lev75 in corebox.or just under 300m/ looks tall now Imre November 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM 26/November/2009 23 Marina http://i45.tinypic.com/2qao5fr.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/fuvrcg.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/1z3877r.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/wjcr9z.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/4jb95k.jpg malec November 26th, 2009, 04:18 PM They're finally building those balconies on the third section. Could you zoom in on those next time Imre? AltinD November 29th, 2009, 01:10 PM 29/11 http://i47.tinypic.com/jptqi1.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/2582nvp.jpg Imre November 29th, 2009, 05:59 PM 29/November/2009 Dubai Marina tallest block http://i49.tinypic.com/qxrmkn.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/wlddt.jpg Imre December 4th, 2009, 10:29 AM 04/December/2009 23 Marina http://i46.tinypic.com/bj5z6h.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/1yl6dt.jpg Dan Hochhaus December 4th, 2009, 06:12 PM 30/November/2009 by 234sale: 23 Marina seen from The Torch... still didn't look "supertallish" then IMO. http://i49.tinypic.com/2l8hs7l.jpg TXSkyWatcher December 5th, 2009, 01:37 AM It does to me, but yeah at that angle it's not as easy to tell the height. Dan Hochhaus December 5th, 2009, 04:39 AM You're right, it's not easy with such a wide angled pic. And we don't know what Torch floor this pic has been taken, maybe 234sale can help. We could get the exact height of the horizontal line then. But nethertheless it's a good place to compare towers IMO: The horizontal can be assumed best by looking at the tiny Burj Al Arab far away, visible left of Sulafa Tower, if you look twice. So I think that the top of the finished floors of 23 Marina is at the same height as the observer, and only 3 floors of the core are higher = approx. 11m. But looking at the other towers here (and other pics from that session), I'd say the viewpoint is around 270m above ground... not more. Here's the about 300m tall Ocean Heights (http://i50.tinypic.com/2zdsnxu.jpg) for example, also Burj Al Arab tells the horizontal, and there are 8 floors above! And so 23 Marina can be just around 280m, although it's only 6 floors away from the crowning cone... I fancied it would even look taller. Dubai Skyscraper December 5th, 2009, 01:51 PM according to Culwullas latest diagram floor 75 = 293m (3.6m per regulary floor), now we are at 77 floors, and that means its supertall now (300.2m). Dan Hochhaus December 5th, 2009, 10:24 PM according to Culwullas latest diagram floor 75 = 293m (3.6m per regulary floor), now we are at 77 floors, and that means its supertall now (300.2m). So is Sulafa Tower about to be a supertall, too (should top out at 285m) ? :? 23 Marina doesn't look more than 15m taller... Dubai Skyscraper December 5th, 2009, 10:49 PM ^^ hmmm..dont know whats wrong with Sulafa but you are right, if 23 Marina is supertall by now, Sulafa must be taller than 285m. thats strange...but another supertall would be nice :cheers: hoxuannhat.ht December 6th, 2009, 12:22 PM Dubai... AltinD December 7th, 2009, 08:45 PM 06/12 http://i49.tinypic.com/27yx4qc.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/f5r2d.jpg Imre December 10th, 2009, 11:46 AM 10/December/2009 23 Marina http://i46.tinypic.com/25tuwk5.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/28v3ipg.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/29fpjjm.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2zi1suv.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/121fkvn.jpg Dan Hochhaus December 10th, 2009, 01:01 PM ^^ Looks like the balconies' floors are made of wooden shelves... rather uncommon for a skyscraper, isn't it? AltinD December 10th, 2009, 01:36 PM ^^ Where do you see wood (except in the scaffolding)? I only see steel frames and steel deckings on the balconies. Dan Hochhaus December 11th, 2009, 01:25 PM ^^ Where do you see wood (except in the scaffolding)? I only see steel frames and steel deckings on the balconies. First it appeared to me that only the load-bearing parts would be steel... but I guess you're right, the shelves are grayish, not like wood.:) Imre December 18th, 2009, 11:19 AM 18/December/2009 23 Marina http://i47.tinypic.com/2aag009.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/35jxurs.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/33c0nxv.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/5oyvic.jpg MarkusB December 18th, 2009, 06:30 PM A few more renderings from begining of this year can be found here: http://www.mba-studios.net/?p=27 roro987 December 18th, 2009, 06:43 PM i love this tower Imre December 25th, 2009, 05:43 PM 25/December/2009 23 Marina http://i46.tinypic.com/2nhngxi.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2hmkprk.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/21jboe1.jpg Dan Hochhaus December 26th, 2009, 06:42 AM ^^ Wow, 23 Marina has risen significantly in December, especially the core and tallest columns, which look like 81th floor, and only one regular residential floor is missing IMO. For the first time I'd say: the "Twenty-Three" must be supertall. :) Imre December 30th, 2009, 12:45 PM 30/December/2009 23 Marina http://i48.tinypic.com/11lie8o.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/212dfsz.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/mj5qoj.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/344bfiw.jpg DennisS December 30th, 2009, 01:04 PM ^^ With a little less than 100 meters to go the formwork on top looks really crappy!... Dan Hochhaus December 30th, 2009, 04:32 PM ^^ With a little less than 100 meters to go the formwork on top looks really crappy!... Don't worry, this one should be off soon, when the new tier begins 3 levels above.:) bledi December 31st, 2009, 11:32 AM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4203081442_2b88d87050_b.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/37721319@N02/4203081442/ AltinD December 31st, 2009, 12:30 PM ^^ Not visible there Imre January 8th, 2010, 12:17 PM 08/January/2010 23 Marina http://i48.tinypic.com/swz2gg.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/qzn4ft.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/s2qiao.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/10rjzoj.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/30j4h9j.jpg Dan Hochhaus January 8th, 2010, 01:27 PM ^^ Seems like core and concrete beams are at last regular floor now, that means at the upmost floor of the third 24-floor-group or lv 82, if I got it right. Imre January 13th, 2010, 09:52 AM 13/January/2010 23 Marina http://i48.tinypic.com/jv0qc0.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/b80gnt.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/2vbt1jk.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/ml2fpw.jpg Imre January 15th, 2010, 09:47 AM 15/January/2010 23 Marina http://i48.tinypic.com/2z6cjzd.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/2e2dqc0.jpg Imre January 22nd, 2010, 10:06 AM 22/January/2010 23 Marina http://i46.tinypic.com/2emiq9w.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/1o0njp.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/28uqq8i.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/27zhu0x.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/14myout.jpg Dan Hochhaus January 23rd, 2010, 01:12 AM ^^ Has the site been busy this week? I don't see any differences... perhaps the changes with the coming start of the crown part causes a slowdown. Dubai Skyscraper January 24th, 2010, 12:19 AM ^^but no progress on the balconies, too... :wtf: Imre January 24th, 2010, 06:02 AM You right, it is slow but I see workers there every day , The Summit and other projects ON HOLD now. Imre January 27th, 2010, 12:35 PM No activities here yesterday and today.Cladding seems stopped also. Dan Hochhaus January 27th, 2010, 02:04 PM So on hold atm. :rant: Liquidity problems perhaps? If so, this could change in a few days, I think (and hope)... The_Bazz_92 January 27th, 2010, 06:38 PM ^^ Even this one is on hold :(? CULWULLA January 27th, 2010, 10:32 PM yes def lev82 or 320m high, diagram to follow Stephan23 January 28th, 2010, 11:59 AM Shit, on hold is bad ! Maybe floors topped out? germantower January 28th, 2010, 04:05 PM WTF this one is on hold? I hope they continue with this one, would be an epic fail if this one will be longer on hold and look bad in the skyline for sure. Imre January 29th, 2010, 11:25 AM 29/January/2010 23 Marina http://i47.tinypic.com/13za72b.jpg http://i45.tinypic.com/r7keif.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/11b13kh.jpg Imre February 5th, 2010, 10:41 AM ON HOLD, no progress, no workers. 05/February/2010 23 Marina http://i50.tinypic.com/2zqzajn.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2m68n69.jpg xXFallenXx February 5th, 2010, 10:55 AM ^ Damn. :( This is one of the few skyscrapers in Dubai I don't think is hideously ugly. Stephan23 February 5th, 2010, 02:14 PM This is totally shitty !!!! :(:(:( Stephan23 February 5th, 2010, 02:14 PM They are so far and what the hell are they doing now?? :wallbash: DennisS February 5th, 2010, 02:18 PM ^^ Who is the contractor? Maybe they moved all their people to another project, then at least something will be constructed fast-track... malec February 5th, 2010, 02:21 PM ^^ Same contractor as The Torch. Hopefully something will be arranged in the next few months or something like that. Dubai Skyscraper February 5th, 2010, 02:22 PM by Imre, UAE forum: The problem with this group (ETA Star/Star Giga etc..) , almost everything ON HOLD for them in Dubai and Ajman as well. The site is dead , nothing happening there , few workers standing just front of the entrance and relaxing, thats all. The Summit (opposite the 23 Marina ) also ON HOLD, Goldcrest Executive and Goldcrest Views 2 was very slow almost ON HOLD for a year but finally they finished those projects,their projects in Ajman are totally dead, no one knows what happened with the investors money. They will put the board soon: Game Over . :ohno: Imre February 5th, 2010, 02:23 PM They are so far and what the hell are they doing now?? :wallbash: Waiting for some money , this is an article about the developer: ETA Star Property puts on hold plan to raise funding ETA Star Property Developers, part of ETA–Ascon Group, has put on hold its plans to raise funding through sukuk and fund issue, citing unfavourable market conditions, a top company executive said. "We do not believe the time is right for raising funds from the financial markets now given the present financial conditions. "However, we will consider raising money from financial markets at a later date," ETA Star Executive Director Abid Junaid told Emirates Business ahead of the official inauguration of Liberty House located in Dubai International Financial Centre. He said last year that the company planned to raise $400 million through sukuk and fund issue. http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2010/1/Pages/18012010/01192010_22471f1dfa1347f8aa729789beb460e7.aspx kazpmk February 6th, 2010, 01:19 AM very sad news when it nearly topped out Imre February 12th, 2010, 10:56 AM 12/February/2010 23 Marina , they have changed the consultant here ? http://i46.tinypic.com/1zeau04.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2dl7lau.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/2zs8zys.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/mlkocl.jpg Imre February 19th, 2010, 08:50 AM 19/February/2010 23 Marina http://i50.tinypic.com/jr2z34.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/2methlc.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/2gv516p.jpg The_Bazz_92 February 19th, 2010, 03:06 PM No words to express my disappointment about this one... Imre February 19th, 2010, 03:30 PM I saw mixers there in this week so the concrete works going on and we should see progress soon. Cladding seems ON HOLD , this week I didnt see any activities. Dubai Skyscraper February 19th, 2010, 06:45 PM ^^so at least some high progress soon, thats nice, not on hold then:banana: Imre February 24th, 2010, 05:08 AM 24/February/2010 23 Marina http://i50.tinypic.com/23sfzhh.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/2wn6bs8.jpg http://i49.tinypic.com/2mpg8iu.jpg DennisS February 24th, 2010, 04:55 PM ^^ Cranes are working! :nuts: Stephan23 February 25th, 2010, 01:44 PM Means u/c again? :hm: AltinD February 25th, 2010, 08:49 PM yes, I saw new rebar on top of the core today. Definitely working there cowch11 February 25th, 2010, 10:02 PM That is such a "new looking" city. I'm so used to American cities where everything looks older. What had made Dubai such a hot spot for all of these buildings anyway? spectre000 February 26th, 2010, 01:18 AM Good to see it was only a short interruption of work. Imre February 26th, 2010, 09:11 AM 26/February/2010 23 Marina http://i50.tinypic.com/2yuxbwx.jpg Imre March 8th, 2010, 10:49 AM Formwork of the core coming down! Guest89 March 8th, 2010, 02:00 PM Good to see work on this tower resumed. Which level is it on now? Imre March 8th, 2010, 02:24 PM 08/March/2010 23 Marina , 5 min before from my balcony http://i45.tinypic.com/2uyjdag.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/2mdhx6u.jpg http://i48.tinypic.com/f06u02.jpg The Patel March 8th, 2010, 02:43 PM It seems like sky and imagination is the limit for DUBAI. I envy the construction. DennisS March 8th, 2010, 03:50 PM Great to see that very poor formwork coming down. I hope they will go further with some decent material. Imre March 11th, 2010, 11:41 AM 11/March/2010 23 Marina http://i41.tinypic.com/2ztbrk5.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/vecg9x.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/21jn0g5.jpg Dan Hochhaus March 11th, 2010, 06:34 PM ^^ Fine! The core formwork has been kept... and has moved up, showing the expected oversized level below. So the construction of the crown has just begun! :pepper: Imre March 12th, 2010, 12:29 PM 12/March/2010 23 Marina http://i42.tinypic.com/b65zdv.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/30vn4gp.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2d9o3fs.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/73gcns.jpg DennisS March 15th, 2010, 11:14 AM ^^ Good to see this progressing again! :) Buyckske Ruben March 15th, 2010, 11:17 AM Almost T/O ? Dan Hochhaus March 15th, 2010, 01:01 PM Topped out? Not by far... pyramidal shaped floors/crown part and spire will add about 80 more meters. King of Construction March 17th, 2010, 11:29 PM Ugly tower... not many times I say this but this one really is. And on topic when is it going to narrow down? Should be very close now right? Imre March 18th, 2010, 02:58 PM 18/March/2010 23 Marina http://i41.tinypic.com/33f5hjb.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/11kf59s.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/351ffb7.jpg DennisS March 18th, 2010, 03:12 PM ^^ Core is one floor up. Imre March 19th, 2010, 02:33 PM 19/March/2010 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/mhbxpu.jpg Dan Hochhaus April 15th, 2010, 03:53 AM These are my snapshots from 234sale's Marina gigapano from April, 13th (http://gigapan.org/gigapans/47109/). Some close towers are heavily distorted near the top there, but 23 Marina in the background is okay. The regular floors' shell of 23 Marina is almost done, with the transition floor still missing. The core reaches into the cone shaped section and has grown 7-10m during the last 4 weeks IMO. Its formwork on top is mostly gone, so maybe the concrete is topped out there!? Not much new cladding btw. 13/April/2010 by 234sale: http://i40.tinypic.com/fw36f.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2qn9u93.jpg skyperu34 April 15th, 2010, 04:04 AM Looks like a big misil among its neighbors. I like this tower. Destroyed007 April 15th, 2010, 06:02 AM So if the core looks topped out because of the foamworks all gone and the floors have stopped risen, I'm guessing they're ready to install the crown and the spire. Cause if you take a good look at this pic, that's what the crown would look like. But there should be more concrete needed otherwise they might use steel throughout the construction. http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2005-03/21/ETA.jpg Abdy April 15th, 2010, 12:59 PM 09 February, 2010, the height was 320m for 82 floors. How many floors are there now ? Imre April 16th, 2010, 09:33 AM 16/April/2010 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/1zg6fzq.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/34s1gtv.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/97ihqh.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/6s9e8k.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2a7bn83.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/24xp8bp.jpg sergey220 April 16th, 2010, 01:52 PM 332 m -85 fl Dan Hochhaus April 16th, 2010, 02:56 PM Seen from Goldcrestviews2, the core of Marina 23 really appears huge. 332 m -85 flAre these official figures? On renders, the whole spire pole looks about 70m, so if they keep design and size, it should start at around 325m. And apparently concrete work is not over yet, still there's rebar on top and partly formwork, too. At least the last core opening will be completed, and this will give some more meters. So I'd be surprised if Marina 23 was over 325m yet. Imre April 23rd, 2010, 11:49 AM 23/April/2010 23 Marina http://i42.tinypic.com/20ijfkp.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2s0brwi.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/o6icd4.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/120p8uf.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/29yi3di.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/9riwx3.jpg CULWULLA April 23rd, 2010, 04:12 PM heres diagram i did earlymarch. i need to uopdate i had core at 320m. maybe its topped at 325m.? ill amend it next week http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4415142318_95ea72c32d_b.jpg Febo April 23rd, 2010, 05:28 PM ANother supertall one for Dubai! Not so nice, but tall! unsealed April 23rd, 2010, 06:13 PM http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002RJQT84?tag=anarchojose08-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B002RJQT84&adid=1FQSFGYYWFNTN7EPCPMA&ANother supertall one for Dubai! Not so nice, but tall! yep. how many now? 10k? Destroyed007 April 23rd, 2010, 11:49 PM Pretty much, the foamworks for the floors and the core are gone. Imre April 30th, 2010, 11:47 AM 30/April/2010 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/pygt0.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/al6z51.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/10fc8zn.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2ntem2h.jpg rotterdam sky-high April 30th, 2010, 12:22 PM Nearly T/O? malec April 30th, 2010, 02:24 PM ^^ If they start building the top section now, we are still at least 6 months away from topping out I think. rotterdam sky-high May 1st, 2010, 09:58 AM ^^ Ok, thanks. :) Imre May 6th, 2010, 06:35 PM 06/May/2010 23 Marina http://i43.tinypic.com/34rjfo4.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/25jdu0z.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/4izu3q.jpg Imre May 7th, 2010, 10:37 AM 07/May/2010 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/iy2ydz.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/ay0qqg.jpg DennisS May 7th, 2010, 02:53 PM ^^ Slow progress, but at least they're still working. Imre May 13th, 2010, 02:34 PM 13/May/2010 23 Marina http://i39.tinypic.com/91mpsi.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/xc658l.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/2vs44th.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2hoz6lf.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/2vw5h5w.jpg SkyscraperCity man May 22nd, 2010, 01:16 PM 21 May 2010 http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/450/dsc0049mf.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0049mf.jpg) http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/555/dsc0050qy.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0050qy.jpg) |