Nigeria president announces Paris Club debt to be paid in full by Friday
By DULUE MBACHU
19 April 2006

ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) - President Olusegun Obasanjo announced that Nigeria would pay off its Paris Club debt by Friday, making Africa's most-populous nation the first on the continent to clear its books of the Western creditor's loans.

Nigeria had said earlier it would pay off its Paris Club arrears before the end of the week, and Obasanjo said the final transfer would be made Friday.

Information Minister Frank Nweke said clearing the debts would make Nigeria more attractive for foreign investment, in addition to allowing more spending on infrastructure and social welfare.

"That is one of the most important benefits of debt relief," he told The Associated Press in London.

Nigeria agreed terms with creditors in October to pay up debt-service arrears and to enact economic reforms approved by the International Monetary Fund in return for a combination of debt cancellation and buy-back options to free it of US$30 billion (€24 billion) in debt.

The IMF board confirmed the country's compliance on Monday, paving the way for Nigeria to make the last transfer.

Obasanjo told a Cabinet meeting that "by Friday, April 21, we would have cleared ourselves of all debts owed to the Paris Club," the presidency said in a statement.

On Friday, Nigeria stands to become the first country on the world's poorest continent to pay back all of its Paris Club debt -- but it will not have satisfied all its lenders.

Nigeria still owes US$3 billion (€2.4 billion) to multilateral agencies such as the World Bank and the African Development Bank, and US$2 billion (€1.6 billion) to commercial creditors, many of them also close to liquidation under separate terms.

Most of oil-rich Nigeria's debt came from loans taken in the early 1980s, as oil prices fell. In 1985, the total debt stood at US$19 billion (€15.4 billion).

At the end of 2004, it had ballooned to US$35 billion (€28.4 billion) with arrears and penalties piled up under a succession of corrupt military governments.

The Paris Club deal required Nigeria to pay about US$12.4 billion (€10 billion) in exchange for the cancellation of US$18 billion (€14.6 billion) in debt.

Associated Press Writer Donna Bryson contributed to this report from London.
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Yes and their financial position now makes it possible to pay for the operation and security of a games with half of what their interest charges were for their foreign debt. With Guiness beer now building a headquarters for africian operations in Nigeria. Dyna Corp. of Irving Texas building a 300 million dollar state of the art international airport that will service much of african aviation business with a maitenance facility. The message is very clear nigeria is a place to do business with.

The Nigerian Economy grew by 10% last year and rapid growth is expected to continue. Also it will have 50 billion in external reserves at the end of this year. Major infrastructure projects are also underway.

Will they be able to upgrade infrastructure and build new institutions in Abuja that quickly?

Theres no doubt they have a good chance, but so do Halifax and Glasgow. They all have good bids and are all warranted to be competative contenders.

Will they be able to upgrade infrastructure and build new institutions in Abuja that quickly?

Well I dont know how much infrastructure upgrade you have to do when you have a stadium like this with olympic preferred contractors like schuermann velodromes of germany. Abuja layed out the best for the 2003 All-African games so that biding on future events like Fifa world cup, the commonwealth games or the summer olympics had no excuses to deny them or any cost overuns in construction.
http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/NGR/Abuja.html
Abuja is a highly planned city with a Japanese urban architects master plan starting from the ground breaking in 1976. They may put a roof over the practice track but really they just have to build a new athletes village and maintain the facilities until 2014. When you just happen to free up 1.5 billion a year on interest charges from this latest developement and the price of oil and gas will remain high because of increasing demand worldwide then they are in the drivers seat. 20 percent of what would be saved would pay for the games at todays prices for the games even with the construction that took place in Melbourne. Abuja does not need to upgrade a Melbourne Cricket Grounds ,build a Velodrome or Aquatics centre.It is all there with olympic preferrred contractors having supervised the building of the 2003 all-african games facilties. The track surface for the melbourne games was 20 million AU dollars alone and then it was torn out ANzac day rugby matches. The IAAF class A surface is there complete with proper base materials. In the case of melbourne those base materials were taken out for rugby and cricket turf to be put back in.
Mike Ferrell who is president of the commonwealth games federation stated in 2003 that he would like to see the games go to Africa. Mr. Ferrell himself is an IOC member from Jamaica and he saw first hand his own nation host the commonwealth games in 1966. Jacques Rogue the president of the IOC has stated the goal for the summer olympics to be in south america and africa.

With the asian-african voting block and the practically debt free nigeria biding on the games for halifax is really an efford that will only end up with 3 million more into an efford that will not win the games.

Nigeria has the entire deck of cards firmly in their hands we are left holding the joker.


Jim jones

Theres no doubt they have a good chance, but so do Halifax and Glasgow. They all have good bids and are all warranted to be competative contenders.
I would say Glasgow has a way better chance but really the Nigerians have this in the bag. we are just a spoiler and I am sure we will be embrassed when we have fewer votes then hamilton did in 2003.

If Halifax really wanted a commonwealth games the time passed over 3 decades ago to have a realistic master plan for sports facilites in the city. Every event like the Canada games in 1969 was a lost opportunity to build on what we had. With a good plan and choice of land that allowed for expansion it would have been possible to win the games for 1994 before the costs went nuts in kuala lumpar. Kuala Lumpar was an exercise in expressing the thought of "we are a world classed host of olympics proportions". That rasied the bar for everything after that and a victoria could not happen again as theirs was a largely temporary main stadium and many of the facilities not being of Kuala Lumpars level.
A stadium plan should have been centered around huskies stadium and then upgrade as demand warranted. That was the path in Knoxville,Tennessee with Neyland Stadium. Moncton has taken that cue on stadium development and will probably have the CFL franchise in the near future.

Stadium construction is expensive with a deadline. It is even more expensive with a 400 million dollar security bill, a 50 million dollar velodrome,a 60 million dollar aquatics centre and an athletes village to the tune of 60 million.
Moncton is avoiding the pitfalls of a multi sports event like the comonwealth games and cutting to the chase with a starter kit at 12,000 which can be expanded. That is how Neyland stadium started in 1921 and is now the largest college stadium in north american of a 100,000 plus seats. All the way Neyland was filled to capacity and the user paid not the community that was not involved in the stadium.

Jim jones

The Nigerian Economy grew by 10% last year and rapid growth is expected to continue. Also it will have 50 billion in external reserves at the end of this year. Major infrastructure projects are also underway.

hey welcome to my trend "you are to blame"
Yes I find it ironic that you have a picture in the link of a convention hall in Abuja that was a banner advertizing the "commonwealth peoples meetings" I believe in december of 2003. that conference was attended by Jean Chretain and I am sure Paul Martin was there as well. Two months after the All-African Games they probably got an very good tour of Abuja's sports facilites.

That is why I have said all along Halifax has been lead down the garden path for votes in a federal election with a promise that Martin himself knew he would never have to keep because A. nigeria would win the biding and he knew the faciliteis first hand and B. his offer underfunded a Halifax bid to the point of looking stupid in the eyes of the other federation countries. Paul Martin was a no show at the same annual conference in Malta last year to the great destress of the member nations who questioned Canada's commitment to the commonwealth.

Jim Jones

I still don't see why you're so fixated on this "asian-african voting block". You can't really assume that everyone's that racist.

I still don't see why you're so fixated on this "asian-african voting block". You can't really assume that everyone's that racist.

there is no racism there at all. it is just a matter of supported each other in the developing world of to goals of hosting major games. a 46 to 22 vote in favour of New Delhi was certainly enough to raise that question and then you have the article with the president of the Indian IOC quoted as saying so much. Hamilton with one million dollars support per commonwealth territory could not defeat india with a mere $ 100.000 dollars per territory???? that screems that there is a voting block between the two continents. There is more interaction between the two continents then between the rest of the commonwealth.
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/jan/27inter.htm

With Abuja as the host in 2014 you would be going from the largest country for population in the entire commonwealth and the asian commonwealth in 2010 to the country with the largest population in Africa. You are also looking at two of the bright spots in the developing nations of the commonwealth.

Nigeria and the Africans will be paid back for the support via votes they gave New Delhi. I beleive Singapore entering the bid process in 2002 was a scare tactic to cut down the number of suitors from the old commonwealth allowing New Delhi a clear shot one on one with Hamilton when Singapore pullled out too late for anyone else to mount a bid. If singapore was to continue it would have been a no brainer because singapore is a turn key solution much like nigeria for the commonwealth games.

Racism is the view that some Nova Scotians have that Nigeria should not host the games in 2014 despite nigeria having a turn key solution. The games would not be "watered down" or "scaled back' as the Halifax committee would lead people here to believe they can in Halifax. With the Abuja and Glasgow bids you dont see any movement to water down the games.

The africans especially would be highly offended if it was awarded to Halifax with the situation of nothing but top notch world class facilties being turned down for second rate which Halifax is trying to say in comparsion to Abuja's.
bluenoser go thru You are to blames photo's and you will see some new pictures in abuja . There are pictures of the dome velodrome and the stadium.

jim jones

I still don't see why you're so fixated on this "asian-african voting block". You can't really assume that everyone's that racist.

Thats true. We are all nations of the commonwealth and race or location should have very little to do with the voting. It should be based on who has the best bid.

well wouldn t the best bid be who ponies up the biggest benefits to the nations taking part? Hamilton was 80 million in support to the commonwealth nations, new delhi was a mere 7.1 million and New Delhi won. Image that

Again who has had them more. it is very simple math

uk 5 times
canada 4 times
australia 4 times
new zealand 3 times
asia twice
Jamaica and the carribbean and the only majority black nation only once 40 years ago.

Africa I dont think will tolerate being denied with those type of facilities in light of a scaled down bid with halifax. I dont even think they would tolerate
Glasgow getting it in 2014 as that would be scotlands third time.

The nigerians were right to put forward it is an African Bid. They have a mutual agreement with south africa to not bid on the fifa world cup in 2010 which south africa was awarded in exchange for nigeria not having south africa to compete with in the 2007 biding for the CWG's

Jim jones

Thats true. We are all nations of the commonwealth and race or location should have very little to do with the voting. It should be based on who has the best bid.

So with the games held 85 percent of the times in the white nations of Scotland,Wales,England,Canada,Australia and New Zealand compared to
10 percent in Asia and 5 percent in the carribbean does not seem like racism to you???

The white nations combined populations dont even add up to Nigeria's population.
Who is being unfair here with a 76 year track record to look back on.

Jim jones

Thats because they obviously had more money and better infrastructure thus having the better bid. Not to sound racist, but primarily white nations also seem to be among the richest.

^well yeah. it's because they stole everything from the non-primarily white nations.

Please don't twist my words around like that. I never said that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, all I said was that it's not fair or reasonable to assume that none of the African or Asian countries will vote for anyone other than Nigeria just because they're not white. One of the main reasons that so many countries voted for Delhi was because they were financially bribed to.

Let me get this straight... the Commonwealth Games would be a huge waste of money for Halifax, a city in a country that is very politically and fairly economically stable, but would be a huge gain for Abuja, which is in a fragile country. Abuja has a brand new stadium and velodrome. What would they be gaining from the games? Halifax has neither. How would Abuja's benefits so greatly outweigh Halifax's? Again I am not saying that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, just that I can't see why the games would be a blessing for them but a disaster for us.

what would be gained for Nigeria? Creditability and a change in attitude towards that country and the african continent as a whole.Building stadiums and sports infrastructure for a little city like Halifax is not a mandate of a commonwealth games federation.If that is the mandate then explain victoria to me. A four thousand seat grandstand is what remains of the main stadium for those games a mere 12 years ago. Why does peter kelly want them ?? for a stadium for a CFL franchise ??? No he wants to build a monument to himself like most public officials do. That is very jean drapeau of him . Sewers are not sexy or anything you can point out to your granchildren and brag "look what grandpa did". Sewers are needed not stadiums for people to live in the city.with a 600 million dollar estimate of the cost for new sewers that are needed in the city the mayor has to have his priorities straight. It is ironic that montreal faced the very same problem with funding the water system and the olympics at the same time in 1976. Like Montreal we face Irish Twins that cost 100's of millions of dollars going towards billions. Irish twins are babies born in the same year from the same mother. Peter Kelly with the CWG's and sewer issue looks very preganant to the public.

What you are suggesting is I am suggesting that the asians and africans are racists. I am not saying you are a racist or anyone is racist. I am saying that anyone who is not educated to what is in abuja and then takes the stereotypical view of africans being backwards or living in grass huts is a racist. The awarding of CWG's to white nations 85 percent of the time that looks very racist ni the eyes of the majority of the commonwealth nations who are populated by non whites. And like the neive thoughts that africans and asians are not working together for their goals in this part of international trade are just that NEIVE. Even with my recent travels to the west african nation of senegal inwhich I saw a crew of 100 men tearing apart a concrete building with ball pen hammers I still had the stereotypical thinking like most westerners when i heard Abuja, Nigeria was biding on the games. The commonwealth games awarding up until the 1998 has tended to be in white nations. With the overwhelming amount of nations in the commonwealth being non-white with the exception of Kingston Jamaica in 1966.

If you want to know who is racist ask Kirt Johnson from From Preston in the HRM. I am sure he will be able to endorse that the fine men and women of the HRM Police department that blacks from africa will not be harassed in 2014.
jim jones

^well yeah. it's because they stole everything from the non-primarily white nations.

Please don't twist my words around like that. I never said that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, all I said was that it's not fair or reasonable to assume that none of the African or Asian countries will vote for anyone other than Nigeria just because they're not white. One of the main reasons that so many countries voted for Delhi was because they were financially bribed to.

Let me get this straight... the Commonwealth Games would be a huge waste of money for Halifax, a city in a country that is very politically and fairly economically stable, but would be a huge gain for Abuja, which is in a fragile country. Abuja has a brand new stadium and velodrome. What would they be gaining from the games? Halifax has neither. How would Abuja's benefits so greatly outweigh Halifax's? Again I am not saying that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, just that I can't see why the games would be a blessing for them but a disaster for us.


well as far as a disaster and a blessing goes. Nigeria has the facilities and finances to easily do this . Being cleared of debt and having 38 billion in foreign fund reserves does not spell fragile country to anyone who knows finances.Their objective with their foriegn reseves is to increase that to 50 billion by years end. With a growth rate of 8.6 percent last quarter for nigeria that is about double of any north american state, province or territory. It isnt from internal spending. it is from external investment. The growth is at a level equal to singapore with nigerias oil exports are only down by 25 percent because of local security problems. Between iran and nigeria a 75 us dollar a barrel premium is placed on their exports. The price of a barrel of oil will not go bellow 65 dollars any time soon as china's demand is going to double in the next ten years. It is the increasing demand for energy resources from china and india that is fueling the external investment in nigeria.
I bet general motors and ford would like to have some of that type of action in light of their negative balance sheets this quarter.

We are about 300 million in debt in the city , about 13 billion for the province.
and the games will cost 2 to 3 billion dollars dont kid yourself.
People dont seem to be able to do simple math at all or understand how european sports bodies control a commonwealth games and then proceed to try to pack as much of our treasury they can into a suit case to take home to europe.

Submarines or Commonwealth games these two lemons come from the same place Great Britian.

with Nigeria they were wise enough to avoid this by building the best with olympic contractors first for their all african games in 2003. Then they have the ability to bid and win anything without europeans blackmailing them over facility quality with an inpending deadline.

That is the only way to bid on an olympics or commonwealth games to ensure that part of the package does not spiral out of control and way over budget.
Doha in UEA have done the same along with Pusan in Korea at possibility of hosting summer games.

If you really think Nigeria is such a fragile country you would not want to talk to mattinas because he had the renderings and announcements of all of africa in his trends . Dyna Corp. think nigeria is a good investment with 300 million american dollars for an interntional airport. Wal mart is going in, Mark and Spencers, Harrods, A who's who of international business dont seem to have your view of nigeria.


jim jones

^well yeah. it's because they stole everything from the non-primarily white nations.

Please don't twist my words around like that. I never said that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, all I said was that it's not fair or reasonable to assume that none of the African or Asian countries will vote for anyone other than Nigeria just because they're not white. One of the main reasons that so many countries voted for Delhi was because they were financially bribed to.

Let me get this straight... the Commonwealth Games would be a huge waste of money for Halifax, a city in a country that is very politically and fairly economically stable, but would be a huge gain for Abuja, which is in a fragile country. Abuja has a brand new stadium and velodrome. What would they be gaining from the games? Halifax has neither. How would Abuja's benefits so greatly outweigh Halifax's? Again I am not saying that Abuja doesn't deserve to win, just that I can't see why the games would be a blessing for them but a disaster for us.

Hamiltons bribe package was 10 times bigger then New Dehli's . So there is an asian -african block. a million dollars per country you would think would buy the votes for Hamilton. Do we really need to bribe people to the tune of 80 million taxpayer dollars to have a games with no commercial value????

Jim jones

Jim Jones do you ver shutup? geeech!

nope thanks for the bump

Jim, If you want to speak so highly of Abuja getting the games, why instead of pissing people off here and causing debates that go nowhere, just go to a forum for the games in Abuja and discuss your views there instead of plaguing the Halifax and Glasgow forums. here, I'll even give you a link to one:

http://www.gamesbids.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=46;t=3019

why thanks wishblade now I have two places to spread the love the nigerian bid.
Here on my trend and over at the bids site.
jim jones

oh thanks wishblade
heres what i posted there. seems some one there sees the african asian votig block too.

Quote (Mo Rush @ Mar. 16 2006,13:11)
afica has the largest bloc of voters.abuja can def win...not that i want them to but ure living in a dream world if u think they cant win...asia owes africa votes as africa supported delhi 2010...so wach out for abuja...theonly hope is the CGF kicking them out as not being good enough on a technical level.

and quess what mike ferrell the president of the commonwealth games federation I am sure would not allow that as he is a man of color from the only majority black nation to host the commonwealth games Jamaica. The Abuja facilities are all designed by IOC preferred contractors. Schuermann is the velodrome designer. The fabric roof is a germany company that has its name on the roofs of The 1972 munich games stadium roof, The montreal 1976 games roof and many many other stadiums including the stadiums involved in the Fifa World cups in Germany and Asia.The architect for Kuala Lumpar and Abuja are the same german company that is also a preferred IOC contractor.

The thing is Halifax will be out first round as they have nothing on the ground except the metro centre arena. With no official federal government commitment Halifax's bid is dying on the vine. Glasgow is better off but still needs a velodrome, arena, field house and athletes village.

Abuja might cover the practice field and has to have a new Athletes Village as the all african gmaes village was sold of at lottery for the right to by units. Over 6 million us was raised in the lottery with tickets selling at 29 us a piece. The winners then got to pay 90,000 us dollars a unit to be paid in 45 days of the draw.

With Mike Ferrell stating in 2003 that he would like to see Africa host the CWG's and IOC president Jacques Rogue stating that it is now the desire to have both Africa and South America host the summer olympics there is more behind the Abuja bid then meets the eye.
The president of the IAAF is not going to dispute the bid on facilities as far as the athletics field as it is a IAAF class A certified surface and he just happens to be from the west african nation of Senegal.

Abuja will have the Asian-African voting block that defeated the Hamilton bid against New Delhi in 2003 in a 46 to 22 vote. The favour is about to be returned and the request to switch the afro-asian games parrellels events in 2002 when India was awarded those games not so far from New Delhi in hydrabrand.

The president of the IOC for india is quoted in an interview as saying there was a voting block in 2003.
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/jan/27inter.htm

The CWGs have been held in the following countries
5 times for the UK
4 times for canada
4 times for australia
3 times for new zealand
twice in asia with new delhi in 2010
and once in any country of a majority of black citizens in the carribbean region kingston jamaica 1966.

so if nigeria is denied with the majority vote majority watch for a boycott of the asian and african countries. With the games never been held in africa and over 85 percent of the time the CWG's being held in the old white part of the commonwealth the africans especially will not come to a party of 8 european nations,canada,new zeland and australia in Scotland or Halifax. Halifax is really a spoiler to Glasgows bid. It is doubtful that either glasgow or halifax can counter the desire of justice and overdue fairnessto be served for Africa by the developing nations of the commonwealth.
1 million dollars per nation offered by canada for the hamilton bid could not overcome a mere 100,000 dollar new delhi counter offered to the commonwealth nations.Very evident by the 2003 biding what took place and the encore performance is looking to happen agian next year.

jim jones
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Your such a wing-nut jack-ass and have to be the most annoying person I have ever come across. Your so full of shit with all your rants of hot air that make no sens...and as far as I can see you have no credibility with your ridiclous points of view that hold no weight and should be laughed at.

Jim Jones:

I was just about to thank you for finally posting something intelligent... until I read your next post. You say "and the games will cost 2 to 3 billion dollars dont kid yourself" like it's a proven fact. It isn't. Even 2 billion dollars is on the upper limit of the worst critics' figures. Where are you pulling this 3 billion from? Just a lucky number?

Anyway, it would really be better to just realize that there's no way you're going to convince myself, HaliGuy, Wishblade etc. that Halifax has no chance of winning/shouldn't get the games, just as there's no way that we'll ever convince you of anything. Why not just stop all the arguing and speculation? No one even knows what the final bids are yet.

oh thanks wishblade
heres what i posted there. seems some one there sees the african asian votig block too.

Quote (Mo Rush @ Mar. 16 2006,13:11)
afica has the largest bloc of voters.abuja can def win...not that i want them to but ure living in a dream world if u think they cant win...asia owes africa votes as africa supported delhi 2010...so wach out for abuja...theonly hope is the CGF kicking them out as not being good enough on a technical level.

and quess what mike ferrell the president of the commonwealth games federation I am sure would not allow that as he is a man of color from the only majority black nation to host the commonwealth games Jamaica. The Abuja facilities are all designed by IOC preferred contractors. Schuermann is the velodrome designer. The fabric roof is a germany company that has its name on the roofs of The 1972 munich games stadium roof, The montreal 1976 games roof and many many other stadiums including the stadiums involved in the Fifa World cups in Germany and Asia.The architect for Kuala Lumpar and Abuja are the same german company that is also a preferred IOC contractor.

The thing is Halifax will be out first round as they have nothing on the ground except the metro centre arena. With no official federal government commitment Halifax's bid is dying on the vine. Glasgow is better off but still needs a velodrome, arena, field house and athletes village.

Abuja might cover the practice field and has to have a new Athletes Village as the all african gmaes village was sold of at lottery for the right to by units. Over 6 million us was raised in the lottery with tickets selling at 29 us a piece. The winners then got to pay 90,000 us dollars a unit to be paid in 45 days of the draw.

With Mike Ferrell stating in 2003 that he would like to see Africa host the CWG's and IOC president Jacques Rogue stating that it is now the desire to have both Africa and South America host the summer olympics there is more behind the Abuja bid then meets the eye.
The president of the IAAF is not going to dispute the bid on facilities as far as the athletics field as it is a IAAF class A certified surface and he just happens to be from the west african nation of Senegal.

Abuja will have the Asian-African voting block that defeated the Hamilton bid against New Delhi in 2003 in a 46 to 22 vote. The favour is about to be returned and the request to switch the afro-asian games parrellels events in 2002 when India was awarded those games not so far from New Delhi in hydrabrand.

The president of the IOC for india is quoted in an interview as saying there was a voting block in 2003.
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/jan/27inter.htm

The CWGs have been held in the following countries
5 times for the UK
4 times for canada
4 times for australia
3 times for new zealand
twice in asia with new delhi in 2010
and once in any country of a majority of black citizens in the carribbean region kingston jamaica 1966.

so if nigeria is denied with the majority vote majority watch for a boycott of the asian and african countries. With the games never been held in africa and over 85 percent of the time the CWG's being held in the old white part of the commonwealth the africans especially will not come to a party of 8 european nations,canada,new zeland and australia in Scotland or Halifax. Halifax is really a spoiler to Glasgows bid. It is doubtful that either glasgow or halifax can counter the desire of justice and overdue fairnessto be served for Africa by the developing nations of the commonwealth.
1 million dollars per nation offered by canada for the hamilton bid could not overcome a mere 100,000 dollar new delhi counter offered to the commonwealth nations.Very evident by the 2003 biding what took place and the encore performance is looking to happen agian next year.

jim jones
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Yes and a lot of people are pointing out Nigeria's problems as well.

Anyway, it would really be better to just realize that there's no way you're going to convince myself, HaliGuy, Wishblade etc. that Halifax has no chance of winning/shouldn't get the games, just as there's no way that we'll ever convince you of anything. Why not just stop all the arguing and speculation? No one even knows what the final bids are yet.

Your right, he'll never convince me atleast. He's actually giving me a reason to fight harder for this. And Jim must have nothing better to do with his time than post about is opposition towards the games, Often bringing up the same points over and over again sounding like a broken record. Im sure its only a matter of time before the folks on the Abuja forum even get tired of his praise for them as he doesnt shut up :lol:

and please I have been waiting months for the articles from independant sources that say it is going to be a great thing to buy into a relic of Great Britians colonial past that india's pay less then one ten thousanth of a cent per person to watch on tv. We have until the games bid by halifax is finally put out of the populations misery and end the CWG nonsense for good .
jim jones

Jim Jones:

I was just about to thank you for finally posting something intelligent... until I read your next post. You say "and the games will cost 2 to 3 billion dollars dont kid yourself" like it's a proven fact. It isn't. Even 2 billion dollars is on the upper limit of the worst critics' figures. Where are you pulling this 3 billion from? Just a lucky number?

Welll hey lets go for 4 billion after all Ron Walker of the melbourne committee said it would be a 2 dollar benefit to a 1 dollar investment. OPPS sorry he misquoted his own KMPG study that said that exact opposite 1 dollar in 50 cents out.
It cost meborune 2 billion dollar with FACILITiES. 785 million is the estimate now in Halifax the cost rose for melbourne by a factor of ten. At that rate the original estimate that scott logan claims they press invented (500 million dollars) but is in the august 9th 2005 minutes of hrm council. The costs will be 5 billion dollars by that rate. I dont think it would be that high but 2 billion to 3 is not out of line with what has happened when a ground up sitaution like halifax has occuried. How come the press always seems to get these thing wrong and with such huge companies they dont invest in these hugely profitable ventures themselves?????
Reason they see the loses and the experts like Sir Ron Scott , Trevor Mallard , the Copa committee , the calgary sports tourism people and many many other who all know the CWG's are not worth having in their towns or countries.
jim jones

sniff sniff do you smell something
. gosh someones basement is flooded with sewage in halifax somewheres

loloololoollololol

jim jones

Thats because they obviously had more money and better infrastructure thus having the better bid. Not to sound racist, but primarily white nations also seem to be among the richest.

you are not sounding racist. The racists are in england who raped the colonies for everything they could grab hold of until each of those colonies broke free . Very clear historical facts.
England still owns canada one billion dollars loaned to it during world war two. not one red cent has been paid back .
jim jones

Your such a wing-nut jack-ass and have to be the most annoying person I have ever come across. Your so full of shit with all your rants of hot air that make no sens...and as far as I can see you have no credibility with your ridiclous points of view that hold no weight and should be laughed at.

please put a comma between wing-nut and jack-ass thank you

sniff sniff do you smell something
. gosh someones basement is flooded with sewage in halifax somewheres

loloololoollololol

jim jones


Go fu*********K yourself loser and get a life you obviously have nothing better to do go on here and bash Halifax Your pathetic you already think Halifax is not gong to get so why are you on here I"ll sasy it again get a life>

please put a comma between wing-nut and jack-ass thank you

NO!

sniff sniff do you smell something
. gosh someones basement is flooded with sewage in halifax somewheres

loloololoollololol

jim jones

Talk about smell geeech the whole of pictou county stinks from Scott Paper you pretty much have to hold your breath going through there

now now watch your blood pressure the athletes village and the state of the art medical facilites are 7 years away LOLOLOL
jim jones

Talk about smell geeech the whole of pictou county stinks from Scott Paper you pretty much have to hold your breath going through there

Scott paper isnt here anymore. that was two owners ago . it is Neehah now proceeded by Kimberly Clarke who took it over the last time a commowealth games made a profit in 1994.

Say while we are on the crapping on pictou county thing how about handing a turd to Peter MacKay the guy the HRM committee has it hopes wrapped up with to deliever the same ammount (38 million) that vancovuer got from the tories fort he cost overruns with the winter olympics. Peter Mac Kay resident of New glasgow nova scotia LOLOLOL. good luck funding the games that will never happen without federal funding, or too little to the point of being laffed at by the rest of the commonwealth or nigeria wins
jim jones

Nigeria 50 votes scotland 19 canada 1

Wait a second the HRM committee says 90 percent of people last december wanted the CWG's in all the king of donairs in the HRM. WE want a recount

now now watch your blood pressure the athletes village and the state of the art medical facilites are 7 years away LOLOLOL
jim jones


Ya ok whatever nut case :nuts:

Why are you so concered about the sewers in HRM if you arent even from here?

Scott paper isnt here anymore. that was two owners ago . it is Neehah now proceeded by Kimberly Clarke who took it over the last time a commowealth games made a profit in 1994.

Say while we are on the crapping on pictou county thing how about handing a turd to Peter MacKay the guy the HRM committee has it hopes wrapped up with to deliever the same ammount (38 million) that vancovuer got from the tories fort he cost overruns with the winter olympics. Peter Mac Kay resident of New glasgow nova scotia LOLOLOL. good luck funding the games that will never happen
jim jones

Don"t worry Peter MacKay fully supports the Halifax bid becouse he is more opne minded and thinks bigger then people like you


Neehah Paper Scott Paper it doesnt matter it still sticks>

I have nothing against Pictou County just norrow minde losers like yourself>

Peter Mackay is busy begging and pleading with connie rice to not require canadain and american citizens to have passports to cross the broader.

Peter Mackay is classic for talking the cheerleader talk for votes. Just like Paul Martin. It is almost a month since his raw raw speech and yet no federal funding with the bid deposit dealine looming. gosh wonder what happened did they forget the CWG's while in parliament?????

the Hrm has a sewer system to worry about and that will be the out for all levels of government. 600 million for a sewer system is a higher priorty then a games that will be won by either nigeria or scotland . There is a couple of great thing about new glasgow A. we do have a sewer system that is modern and up to date since the 1970's B. we dont have to shovel snow off the sidewalks in the winter C. Despite a town councils reckless spending they do have reserve funds. ask your council why you dont have those
or is that answer for an in camera session too?????
jim jones

gosh i get it now Peter Mackay needs to make sure that united states citizens can get in and out of nova scotia with ease. We would not want to cut off any potiential netball or lawn bowling fans from maine or boston LOLOLOOL
Or for that matter CFL fans from new england turned off by the fact that the patriots have only won the superbowl a couple of times in the 2000's. Then there are all those nascar fans from loudon new hampshire that would be slowed down on their way to rugby sevens in shannon park . Peter Mackay your a real swell guy.

jim jones

gosh i get it now Peter Mackay needs to make sure that united states citizens LOLOLOOL can get in and out of nova scotia LOLOLOOLwith ease. We would not want to cut off any potiential netball or lawn bowling fans from maine or boston LOLOLOOL
Or for LOLOLOOL that matter CFL LOLOLOOL fans from new LOLOLOOL england turned off by the fact that the patriots have only won the superbowl a couple of times in the 2000's. Then there are all those nascar fans from LOLOLOOL loudon new hampshire that would LOLOLOOL be slowed down on their way to rugby sevens in shannon park . Peter Mackay your a real swell guy.

jim jones
P.S. LOLOLOOL

Screw off Jim Jones, maybe people would take you seriously if you weren't such a dick. What you type here won't matter at all in 2007 when they announce the winner, so why not leave these forums and stop causing trouble?

yeah your right and the winner is (copy and paste for edit if you want to know th answer) lolololloolo
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Peter Mackay is busy begging and pleading with connie rice to not require canadain and american citizens to have passports to cross the broader.

Peter Mackay is classic for talking the cheerleader talk for votes. Just like Paul Martin. It is almost a month since his raw raw speech and yet no federal funding with the bid deposit dealine looming. gosh wonder what happened did they forget the CWG's while in parliament?????

the Hrm has a sewer system to worry about and that will be the out for all levels of government. 600 million for a sewer system is a higher priorty then a games that will be won by either nigeria or scotland . There is a couple of great thing about new glasgow A. we do have a sewer system that is modern and up to date since the 1970's B. we dont have to shovel snow off the sidewalks in the winter C. Despite a town councils reckless spending they do have reserve funds. ask your council why you dont have those
or is that answer for an in camera session too?????
jim jones

That over 25 years dip shit.

Screw off Jim Jones, maybe people would take you seriously if you weren't such a dick. What you type here won't matter at all in 2007 when they announce the winner, so why not leave these forums and stop causing trouble?
maybe maybe just maybe if people actually read the links of what I have posted they would learn The CWG's are not the way to any type of sports infrastructure that is not the highest cost to get want 17 people on Boob er I mean Bob desire.
I have Yet to see one post with a link to any articles that was a party without a vested interest in the airey fairy idealogy that a stadium could cure cancer and all the health woes of the world.

Please before the HRM, The province and the feds kill this turkey show me just one PPPPPPPPlllllllllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee
pretty please with brown sugar on it

jim jones

I think Jim is just pissed off that Halifax is growing so much and Pictou County is not. His jealous that Halifax has the opportunity to host such an event and he can't stand that. I can quarantee if Pictou County had an opportunity o host such an event they would have my full support.

maybe maybe just maybe if people actually read the links of what I have posted they would learn The CWG's are not the way to any type of sports infrastructure that is not the highest cost to get want 17 people on Boob er I mean Bob desire.
I have Yet to see one post with a link to any articles that was a party without a vested interest in the airey fairy idealogy that a stadium could cure cancer and all the health woes of the world.

Please before the HRM, The province and the feds kill this turkey show me just one PPPPPPPPlllllllllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee
pretty please with brown sugar on it

jim jones
Maybe Halifax will get the games, maybe we won't. What you say doesn't matter in the end, so stop causing arguments here.

That over 25 years dip shit.

whaTS over 25 years poopie pants?????

I think Jim is just pissed off that Halifax is growing so much and Pictou County is not. His jealous that Halifax has the opportunity to host such an event and he can't stand that. I can quarantee if Pictou County had an opportunity o host such an event they would have my full support.


No we are biding on the X games didnt you hear????? The skateboard jump is right over boat harbour

maybe maybe just maybe if people actually read the links of what I have posted they would learn The CWG's are not the way to any type of sports infrastructure that is not the highest cost to get want 17 people on Boob er I mean Bob desire.
I have Yet to see one post with a link to any articles that was a party without a vested interest in the airey fairy idealogy that a stadium could cure cancer and all the health woes of the world.

Please before the HRM, The province and the feds kill this turkey show me just one PPPPPPPPlllllllllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee
pretty please with brown sugar on it

jim jones


I sent you a link before. I obviously don't have all the time in the world like you do to lookup a whole lot of shit but I did one search and got a very positive related document on the games. But you obviously choose to ignore it.

actually I have about 100 articles on mutli sports games, stadiums , arenas Tv rights and all the other things that point this entire efford to be a disaster in the making . I have seen the KMPG study Commissioned by the melbourne committee and guess what like Ron Walker and you have something in common you both dont know how to read a balance sheet. 1 dollar invested for 50 cents benefit is a net loss. Sorry to inform you but atleast in my neck of the woods we have expereince reading balance sheets and knowing swamp land when someone tries to sell it to us.

So while we are on this pictou county thing let me ask this who are major sponsors of this.
Scotiabank -more broad members from pictou county then halifax
Sobeys - we all know what county they are headquartered in
Aliant - the largest amount of shares owned by again the sobeys
Emera - the same as Aliant
and finally RB cameron rounds out my list of notibles from good old pictou county in the sponsorship at the halifax 2014 bid site

Oh and then there is Peter Mackay
gosh you people seem to have your hand out to pcitou county alot for a place like ours to be so jealous of you.

What if those people just said screw it lets bring the commonwealth games to pictou county afterall it is such an economically sound venture

Yeah I bet you people would be screaming bloody blue murder. With every single cop out of how canada has done halifax wrong
LOLOLOLOL

jim jones

boo who who We deserve to have a commonwealth games even if it is like a kid who pours half a pound of sugar into his mouth everyday until he is a teenager with rotten teeth. LOLOLOL
jim jones

boo who who We deserve to have a commonwealth games even if it is like a kid who pours half a pound of sugar into his mouth everyday until he is a teenager with rotten teeth. LOLOLOL
jim jones


Man there is really something wrong with you. I actaully feel kind of sorry for you now because I'm realizing you got issues. You ever think about seeing a skrink.

hey thanks for the bump buddy your keeping my dream alive. of a place in which we dont have the usual people lobbying to spent money that is not theirs and they dont have a clue how to best spend it .
jim jones

Man there is really something wrong with you. I actaully feel kind of sorry for you now because I'm realizing you got issues. You ever think about seeing a skrink.


I am just depressed about the Ottawa Renegade folding and Atlantic touchdown being cancelled LOLOLOLOL.
I was so looking forward to Johnny Roger runnning backwards into the endzone for a touchdown for teh montreal Concorde ER I mean the aloulettes MARK TWO.
LOLOLOLOL
jim jones

Here's a why the games are good a thing.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/corporate/games/impact.htm

You know how you talk about Pictou being so important and such for this. Without Halifax this province would economically be a complete wreck. If you look at the demographics and statistics for Halifax compared to the rest of NS, its really the only thing that's pulling this province's pants up.

And I must agree with HaliGuy, you have some serious, serious problems man. Did you ever wonder why nobody ever wants you around?

Here's a why the games are good a thing.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/corporate/games/impact.htm

what did i ask for . I said one independant source. That is more government spin.

I have done searchs like commonwealth games benefits and all that came up was the KMPG study

You know how you talk about Pictou being so important and such for this. Without Halifax this province would economically be a complete wreck. If you look at the demographics and statistics for Halifax compared to the rest of NS, its really the only thing that's pulling this province's pants up.

And I must agree with HaliGuy, you have some serious, serious problems man. Did you ever wonder why nobody ever wants you around?



well tell me this who owns much of downtown halifax, many of the malls , the largest theatre chain in the region.If empire theatres for example is not showing you the movie you are in a famous players theatre from ontario which is leasing space in a sobeys owned mall. You dont have any heavy industry, no stora, no goldboro gas plant, no michelin, no neehah, no oxford foods, no crosley carpets, no intertape polymer, no bowater mersey, no nova construction, no greenbrier, no statia point tupper, no pollycello , no mackay meters, no sommex matresses, no AW Leil Cranes, no maritime steel and the list can go on and on of the leaders in their fields that have branch offices in metro but main headquarters in rural nova scotia, new brunswick and PEI.
If you dont have anything that produces something you are really just a funnel for tax money and the CWG's efford is a great example of that. Please stop the foolish talk and look around you. It is a government centre and that is about it. beyond the business giants of the region from my county are the people of antigonish county with the chisholms and the smith's , truro has the hays,standfields and others, oxford has the braggs who own the cable system you might be using for high speed internet, then there is purdy crawford of IMASco which owns Shoppers Drug Mart, the Jodries of hants county. Go beyond that and you have the Irvings,Mc Cains and Joyce of Tim Hortons. Shaw Brick, IMP, Clearwater foods is about the extent of self starting business sucesses in metro that is still in metro hands and are on the top 100 of canadian business. Even mickey mac donald of downeast communications sold out to aliant or in others words Sobeys.Charles Keating sold out to Ross Bragg of Oxford Nova Scotias Eastlink. If every outside owned business interest in metro was to move out the city would not even amount to beford. If your not getting your lumber and hardware from Kent (irving) then you are getting it from Home Depot of atlanta georgia
(WHO'S canadian Ceo is a woman from glace bay) if it isnt from those two places it is from the very small third in the metro market Peircey's HRM owned in Halifax. While you are in Kent dont forget to use Atlantic Windows of moncton new brunswick which belongs to Steve Smith of Antigonish who owns the largest nova scotian owned hardware chain You probably dont know about in cape breton and northern nova scotia Central Home Improvements. Atlantic Windows competitor is the debert company Kohler Windows. And while the goods are being moved around a warehouse or onto the boom truck that business is probably being taken care of by H Gordon Mac Neil of new waterfords company WAJAX. Wajax is the second largest equipment sales and rental company in canada. Sobeys used to have a majority share of that company as well.
That Central Home Improvements is bigger then pierseys without the having metro market speaks to the balance in economics in the province. The reason Central doesn t come in and take over pierceys is because of a territory agreement they have with Kent.
Scotburn Co-op dairy is the second largest Co-op dairy in the world and metro is only part of their sales as they own about every dairy from the quebec boarder to st johns newfoundland. Headquarters Scotsburn pictou county.
Then when you put a coin in the parking meter you are putting it into a mackay meter of new glasgow nova scotia. Second largest parking meter maker in the world.
The people with problems are those that actually believe the King of Donair and the Paper Chase are the economic engine of nova scotia and that what is around you is actually created or owned by business people in metro. The attention span of most business people in metro does not go beyond 30 years or to a family succession plan like the Sobeys , Irvings or Mc Cains or many of these very good business empires that occupy places in Halifax but that is small part of a greater business. Not to say metro isnt important it just isnt as important as the hype and fantasy that some people in the HRM beleive. The St Mary's university school of business is not named the Walter Fitzgerald or the Frank Mac culloch(Frank Mac culloch was a business man from metro who got too big for his boots with a joint development between him ,the sobeys and the jodrey's of hants county, The sobeys and Jodreys put an end to that mans empire) school of business or even The greatest business person to ever come out of nova scotia in the 1800's Samual Cunard. Sam Cunard as a man from Halifax blazed the trail in international business that the rural maritimers learned from while Halifax became a place of numb and complacent people in business. Sam Cunard wrote the text book on vertically intergrated companies which Irving and Sobeys followed to a tee.
The st mary's school of business is named for the second greatest business person in the history of nova scotia pictou boy Frank Sobey. The reason is simple largest commerical real estate holder in the region, second largest food retailer in the country, brought michelin to nova scotia, and has funding st mary's to the tune of millions of dollars so much so that rival Dalhousie gave Frank JR an honorary degree to see if they could get some of that type of funding from the third generation of Sobeys. Without those companies externally there would be no Halifax like you live in today and the place would be a bigger welfare case then it is right now Begging Steve Harper and Peter Mac kay for funding for a stadium .
The stadium would have been built if there was a good plan like Knoxville Tennessee when RB Cameron SR. wanted to fund a CFL team and build the stadium himself with steel fabrication done in his main plant in New Glasgow and his branch plant in Burnside. Aw Leil of Pictou county would have assembled the stands with their cranes for the branch office right beside the maritime steel burnside plant. Aw Leils bought metro owned Sagadore cranes and it's sole competitor is Irving Cranes.
Unlucky for people in metro you dont realize were the provinces bread is buttered with scotsburn dairy products.


jim jones

well tell me this who owns much of downtown halifax, many of the malls , the largest theatre chain in the region.If empire theatres for example is not showing you the movie you are in a famous players theatre from ontario which is leasing space in a sobeys owned mall. You dont have any heavy industry, no stora, no goldboro gas plant, no michelin, no neehah, no oxford foods, no crosley carpets, no intertape polymer, no bowater mersey, no nova construction, no greenbrier, no statia point tupper, no pollycello , no mackay meters, no sommex matresses, no AW Leil Cranes, no maritime steel and the list can go on and on of the leaders in their fields that have branch offices in metro but main headquarters in rural nova scotia, new brunswick and PEI.
If you dont have anything that produces something you are really just a funnel for tax money and the CWG's efford is a great example of that. Please stop the foolish talk and look around you. It is a government centre and that is about it. beyond the business giants of the region from my county are the people of antigonish county with the chisholms and the smith's , truro has the hays,standfields and others, oxford has the braggs who own the cable system you might be using for high speed internet, then there is purdy crawford of IMASco which owns Shoppers Drug Mart, the Jodries of hants county. Go beyond that and you have the Irvings,Mc Cains and Joyce of Tim Hortons. Shaw Brick, IMP, Clearwater foods is about the extent of self starting business sucesses in metro that is still in metro hands and are on the top 100 of canadian business. Even mickey mac donald of downeast communications sold out to aliant or in others words Sobeys.Charles Keating sold out to Ross Bragg of Oxford Nova Scotias Eastlink. If every outside owned business interest in metro was to move out the city would not even amount to beford. If your not getting your lumber and hardware from Kent (irving) then you are getting it from Home Depot of atlanta georgia
(WHO'S canadian Ceo is a woman from glace bay) if it isnt from those two places it is from the very small third in the metro market Peircey's HRM owned in Halifax. While you are in Kent dont forget to use Atlantic Windows of moncton new brunswick which belongs to Steve Smith of Antigonish who owns the largest nova scotian owned hardware chain You probably dont know about in cape breton and northern nova scotia Central Home Improvements. Atlantic Windows competitor is the debert company Kohler Windows. And while the goods are being moved around a warehouse or onto the boom truck that business is probably being taken care of by H Gordon Mac Neil of new waterfords company WAJAX. Wajax is the second largest equipment sales and rental company in canada. Sobeys used to have a majority share of that company as well.
That Central Home Improvements is bigger then pierseys without the having metro market speaks to the balance in economics in the province. The reason Central doesn t come in and take over pierceys is because of a territory agreement they have with Kent.
Scotburn Co-op dairy is the second largest Co-op dairy in the world and metro is only part of their sales as they own about every dairy from the quebec boarder to st johns newfoundland. Headquarters Scotsburn pictou county.
Then when you put a coin in the parking meter you are putting it into a mackay meter of new glasgow nova scotia. Second largest parking meter maker in the world.
The people with problems are those that actually believe the King of Donair and the Paper Chase are the economic engine of nova scotia and that what is around you is actually created or owned by business people in metro. The attention span of most business people in metro does not go beyond 30 years or to a family succession plan like the Sobeys , Irvings or Mc Cains or many of these very good business empires that occupy places in Halifax but that is small part of a greater business. Not to say metro isnt important it just isnt as important as the hype and fantasy that some people in the HRM beleive. The St Mary's university school of business is not named the Walter Fitzgerald or the Frank Mac culloch(Frank Mac culloch was a business man from metro who got too big for his boots with a joint development between him ,the sobeys and the jodrey's of hants county, The sobeys and Jodreys put an end to that mans empire) school of business or even The greatest business person to ever come out of nova scotia in the 1800's Samual Cunard. Sam Cunard as a man from Halifax blazed the trail in international business that the rural maritimers learned from while Halifax became a place of numb and complacent people in business. Sam Cunard wrote the text book on vertically intergrated companies which Irving and Sobeys followed to a tee.
The st mary's school of business is named for the second greatest business person in the history of nova scotia pictou boy Frank Sobey. The reason is simple largest commerical real estate holder in the region, second largest food retailer in the country, brought michelin to nova scotia, and has funding st mary's to the tune of millions of dollars so much so that rival Dalhousie gave Frank JR an honorary degree to see if they could get some of that type of funding from the third generation of Sobeys. Without those companies externally there would be no Halifax like you live in today and the place would be a bigger welfare case then it is right now Begging Steve Harper and Peter Mac kay for funding for a stadium .
The stadium would have been built if there was a good plan like Knoxville Tennessee when RB Cameron SR. wanted to fund a CFL team and build the stadium himself with steel fabrication done in his main plant in New Glasgow and his branch plant in Burnside. Aw Leil of Pictou county would have assembled the stands with their cranes for the branch office right beside the maritime steel burnside plant. Aw Leils bought metro owned Sagadore cranes and it's sole competitor is Irving Cranes.
Unlucky for people in metro you dont realize were the provinces bread is buttered with scotsburn dairy products.


jim jones


:weirdo: and :nuts:

Its all comming out know isn't. The real reason he doesn't want Halifax to get the games.

yes you have no counter to that like all your emotional agruements about how a stadium developes an economy. it is resorting to name calling because your intelligence does not go beyond that.
jim jones

Its all comming out know isn't. The real reason he doesn't want Halifax to get the games.

DAH how could you tell. We are not getting the commonwealth games because we are totally unable to pay for them. There is no federal funding not matter how much you wish there was.
jim jones

DAH how could you tell. We are not getting the commonwealth games because we are totally unable to pay for them. There is no federal funding not matter how much you wish there was.
jim jones


No because you are a wing-nut mad man who is resentiful towards Halifax. Who rambles on complete non-sense. No other reason then that.

No because you are a wing-nut mad man who is resentiful towards Halifax. Who rambles on complete non-sense. No other reason then that.

No federal funding! I'd like to laugh in your face when to feds announce their fundinng contribution to the games because you are going to look pretty stupid.

well ok take a look at what i posted on games bid .com

Quote (HFB-Melbourne @ Mar. 22 2006,14:34)
Canada in 2014, Africa in 2018, New Zealand in 2022, Scotland in 2026, Asia (Singapore, perhaps) in 2026...then Australia in 2030?

I'd like to see an Adelaide games, but Sydney is far more likely.

canada never again as halifax looks like a bunch of morons chasing a promise that would never have to be kept by the former liberal prime minister Paul Martin. Hamilton is making too big a stink and paid the price for the mud raking with the 2003 bid . The City of Markham council rejected funding the domestic bid even for their 15,000 dollar canadian share in the york region council. The CBC is rumuored to have to be paid to broadcast a Daily hi-lites show by the organizers of the 2006 CWG's.
Nigeria will win over a pathetic attempt in Halifax to leverage federal money for a staduim without a tenant on the back of a sports event . The federal government landscape has changed with the election of a conservative government in canada. Our new prime minister is an economist from the very riding of Calgary West which with the second most profitable mutli sports games in the history of mankind rejected the CWG franchise siting the costs were too high for too few benefits.
Calgary and the Province of Alberta have first hand knowledge of the CWG franchise and turned thumbs down on an encore to Edmonton 1978. With a 7.5 billion dollar budget surplus alberta could fund the last 3 commonwealth games and the montreal olympics. With what they made in surplus last year because of high energy prices alberta could fund every single commonwealth games but They dont even care to entertain that thought 3 months before the domestic bid is awarded and they pull out.

jim jones

well ok take a look at what i posted on games bid .com

Quote (HFB-Melbourne @ Mar. 22 2006,14:34)
Canada in 2014, Africa in 2018, New Zealand in 2022, Scotland in 2026, Asia (Singapore, perhaps) in 2026...then Australia in 2030?

I'd like to see an Adelaide games, but Sydney is far more likely.

canada never again as halifax looks like a bunch of morons chasing a promise that would never have to be kept by the former liberal prime minister Paul Martin. Hamilton is making too big a stink and paid the price for the mud raking with the 2003 bid . The City of Markham council rejected funding the domestic bid even for their 15,000 dollar canadian share in the york region council. The CBC is rumuored to have to be paid to broadcast a Daily hi-lites show by the organizers of the 2006 CWG's.
Nigeria will win over a pathetic attempt in Halifax to leverage federal money for a staduim without a tenant on the back of a sports event . The federal government landscape has changed with the election of a conservative government in canada. Our new prime minister is an economist from the very riding of Calgary West which with the second most profitable mutli sports games in the history of mankind rejected the CWG franchise siting the costs were too high for too few benefits.
Calgary and the Province of Alberta have first hand knowledge of the CWG franchise and turned thumbs down on an encore to Edmonton 1978. With a 7.5 billion dollar budget surplus alberta could fund the last 3 commonwealth games and the montreal olympics. With what they made in surplus last year because of high energy prices alberta could fund every single commonwealth games but They dont even care to entertain that thought 3 months before the domestic bid is awarded and they pull out.

jim jones



Blah, Blah Blah and Blah

well ok take a look at what i posted on games bid .com

Quote (HFB-Melbourne @ Mar. 22 2006,14:34)
Canada in 2014, Africa in 2018, New Zealand in 2022, Scotland in 2026, Asia (Singapore, perhaps) in 2026...then Australia in 2030?

I'd like to see an Adelaide games, but Sydney is far more likely.

canada never again as halifax looks like a bunch of morons chasing a promise that would never have to be kept by the former liberal prime minister Paul Martin. Hamilton is making too big a stink and paid the price for the mud raking with the 2003 bid . The City of Markham council rejected funding the domestic bid even for their 15,000 dollar canadian share in the york region council. The CBC is rumuored to have to be paid to broadcast a Daily hi-lites show by the organizers of the 2006 CWG's.
Nigeria will win over a pathetic attempt in Halifax to leverage federal money for a staduim without a tenant on the back of a sports event . The federal government landscape has changed with the election of a conservative government in canada. Our new prime minister is an economist from the very riding of Calgary West which with the second most profitable mutli sports games in the history of mankind rejected the CWG franchise siting the costs were too high for too few benefits.
Calgary and the Province of Alberta have first hand knowledge of the CWG franchise and turned thumbs down on an encore to Edmonton 1978. With a 7.5 billion dollar budget surplus alberta could fund the last 3 commonwealth games and the montreal olympics. With what they made in surplus last year because of high energy prices alberta could fund every single commonwealth games but They dont even care to entertain that thought 3 months before the domestic bid is awarded and they pull out.

jim jones



Blah, Blah Blah and Blah

You say the same shit over and over and over again. Get a clue no body wants to listen to your non-sense.

No federal funding! I'd like to laugh in your face when to feds announce their fundinng contribution to the games because you are going to look pretty stupid.

So how long is it before the announcement ??? You see Paul Martin from my research never made an official commitment and the tories are too busy with other pressing issues. but yet you like to belittle a pictou county while you have your hands out to the man in cabinet from there peter mackay.

The tories are letting it die on the vine. The report on the sewer system is the cities way out so the Tories both provincially a federally can wash their hands of the CWG bid.

Come on call me I name I am sure you will LOLOLOLOL but do use proper grammer LOLOLOLOL

jim jones

yes you have no counter to that like all your emotional agruements about how a stadium developes an economy. it is resorting to name calling because your intelligence does not go beyond that.
jim jones


No, just stating what you appear to be.

So how long is it before the announcement ??? You see Paul Martin from my research never made an official commitment and the tories are too busy with other pressing issues. but yet you like to belittle a pictou county while you have your hands out to the man in cabinet from there peter mackay.

The tories are letting die on the vine. The reoprt on the sewer system is the cities way out so the Tories both provincially a federally can wash their hands of the CWG bid.

Come on call me I name I am sure you will LOLOLOLOL but do use proper grammer LOLOLOLOL

jim jones


I never belittled Pictou county only pointed out a fact of it sticking after you have been atacking Halifax over and over again.

I am someone who is probably older and wiser then you. I do my homework and you buy into the pro games propaganda. The internet is chauked full of reports from independant news sources of how multi-games festivals do nothing but put a place into huge debt without any real benefits .

jim jones

I could care less about you view of me because at the end of the day I know too well what will happen to the city, and the province because of the airy fairy dreams of people without any investment or risk what so ever.
It will mean higher taxes and loss of services even out here in the boonies because you people, all 17 of you want a stadium.

Nigeria and africa deserve the games , they have the financing and the facilities so get out of the way so justice can finally be served and we can go back to developing our economy beyond the yearly distration novelity industries the HRM and cape breton seem to covet. IE Movie soundstages that are no longer used in both metro and cape breton.


jim jones

I never belittled Pictou county only pointed out a fact of it sticking after you have been atacking Halifax over and over again.

Look heres my true view on halifax putting aside the commonwealth games. Wonderful place. People are nice, I know some great small business persons in the city that are truly amazing all very much self starters and my best friend in the city is world famous for his craft. I grew up in metro and went to school there.I have great respect for Fred mac gillervays business skills but this type of thing is way above the heads of the HRM.

The thing is when you have a bread and circus' like this it only is a distraction and a waste on resources. Honestly I have even looked un-biasly for the positives on the CWG's and they are not there without a report attached to a governement body trying to spin a bad situation into a good one.

the tail of the tape
tells it all

jim jones.

Ok so I did a little counting and Jim, you made 6 posts in the space of 1 hour yesterday, and only 1 of them made any amount of sense. I guess computers really do rot your brain.

Hey by the way, do you have any interest in architecture?

yes architecture that make sense and does cost 40 million in merchantdizing rights or 40 million in tv rights LOLOLOLOLOL.

jim jones

and some great news about abuja from gamesbid.com seems the anti-games forces are making the news on that site. considering that most signers of bruce devennes petition are from metro and that is opposition is growing. The support for the games is colapsing especially in the HRM. Time for another opinion poll the trend is downwards from december to end of january. I would not be surprized if it is bellow 60 percent.


Sunday, April 23, 2006

Nigeria Serious About 2014 Commonwealth Bid
Posted 1:52 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

Dr, Seidu Sambawa, Nigeria’s Sports Minister, told a press briefing that the federal government is very serious about Abuja’s bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

He said, “the man who organized the Melbourne Games has been approached, and he has sent me a letter saying he is willing to meet with President Obasanjo to discuss how best Abuja can employ certain strategies to win the race”.

Sambawa added, “we are going to run a credible bid. Between now and November 2007 when the decision will be taken, we will give it our best shot. The Games have been held in all other continents except in Africa. If it is to be a truly Commonwealth Games it has to come to Africa. We have the facilities to host. In 2003 we hosted the best CHOGOM a few months after hosting the 8th All-Africa Games. Nigeria have the capacity for these things”.

According to the Minister a fund-raising dinner is taking place in Abuja at the end of May where about one thousand guests are expected to contribute to sports development in the country.

He said, “the money we get from this will go into refurbishing the six federal government stadia in the country”.

Abuja’s competitors for the 2014 Commonwealth Games are Halifax Canada and Glasgow Scotland.

An article in the Halifax-based newspaper the Chronicle Herald says that promoters of Halifax 2014 are getting stiff opposition to their plans from various quarters because of rising costs that are inevitable for such large international sporting events and the province’s “feeble” financial state.

The newspaper reports that at best the province of Nova Scotia where Halifax is located is going to go into the bid “profoundly divided”, with most of the support concentrated in the Halifax area.

It is a government centre and that is about it.

Shaw Brick, IMP, Clearwater foods is about the extent of self starting business sucesses in metro that is still in metro hands


Here are a few large-ish Halifax-based companies you forgot:

Air Canada Jazz
CCL Group
Emera
Killiam Properties
Trihedral Engineering
Wilsons Fuel

- and there are plenty more. Also, I don't see many regional head offices in Oxford and Amherst, they all seem to be in Halifax! I'm not bashing any of these towns, but to say Halifax is only a government centre is ridiculous.

yes architecture that make sense and does cost 40 million in merchantdizing rights or 40 million in tv rights LOLOLOLOLOL.
Could you rephrase this?

Actually Peter MacKay did guarantee funding for the games, although I suppose you'll go on to say that his word doesn't mean anything because he's busy arguing with Condie Rice blah blah blah blah blah... and just because you post something on another website doesn't make it a fact.

And yeah. Ok. Nigeria totally deserves the games. But so do we... to say that the games have been held in Canada X number of times is irrelevant: they've been held what, 5 times? But not once on the East Coast. Every province east of NB has a CFL team and a major stadium, and every province west of NB does NOT have a major stadium. Kind of strange when you consider the fact that NS alone has about the same population as Saskatchewant and about 100 times the density. So yeah I really think that we do deserve the games, or else we'll continue to slip farther and farther behind the rest of the country, and the young skilled educated people will continue to leave.

Here are a few large-ish Halifax-based companies you forgot:

Air Canada Jazz
CCL Group
Emera
Killiam Properties
Trihedral Engineering
Wilsons Fuel

- and there are plenty more. Also, I don't see many regional head offices in Oxford and Amherst, they all seem to be in Halifax! I'm not bashing any of these towns, but to say Halifax is only a government centre is ridiculous.

Also, IMP Group who also owns Canjet is from Halifax as well as two of Canada's major banks were born in Halifax, Scotia Bank and the Royal Bank of Canada. There also many other companies such as Med Mira and several other bio-tech and I.T. companies such as Sports Direct who was recently chosen as the best new company in Canada. Alaint is also a Halifax based company.

Could you rephrase this?

Actually Peter MacKay did guarantee funding for the games, although I suppose you'll go on to say that his word doesn't mean anything because he's busy arguing with Condie Rice blah blah blah blah blah... and just because you post something on another website doesn't make it a fact.

And yeah. Ok. Nigeria totally deserves the games. But so do we... to say that the games have been held in Canada X number of times is irrelevant: they've been held what, 5 times? But not once on the East Coast. Every province east of NB has a CFL team and a major stadium, and every province west of NB does NOT have a major stadium. Kind of strange when you consider the fact that NS alone has about the same population as Saskatchewant and about 100 times the density. So yeah I really think that we do deserve the games, or else we'll continue to slip farther and farther behind the rest of the country, and the young skilled educated people will continue to leave.


Exactly!

Also, IMP Group who also owns Canjet is from Halifax as well as two of Canada's major banks were born in Halifax, Scotia Bank and the Royal Bank of Canada. There also many other companies such as Med Mira and several other bio-tech and I.T. companies such as Sports Direct who was recently chosen as the best new company in Canada. Alaint is also a Halifax based company.


Also Hamburg Properties, Helly Hanson, Moirs, SolutionInc, Corridor Resources, Jaques Whitford, former Maritime Life which was the fastest growing Insurance company in North America before it was bought put by ManuLife.

Here are a few large-ish Halifax-based companies you forgot:

Air Canada Jazz
CCL Group
Emera
Killiam Properties
Trihedral Engineering
Wilsons Fuel

- and there are plenty more. Also, I don't see many regional head offices in Oxford and Amherst, they all seem to be in Halifax! I'm not bashing any of these towns, but to say Halifax is only a government centre is ridiculous.

aH sorry to inform you emera is owned primarily by the Sobeys, Air Canada jazz is a company that is owned by Air Canada headquartered in Montreal and Wilson fuels is headquartered in Truro and owned by the Wilson family of truro ,Dave Wilson owns Ski Wentworth (which was bi passed by John Chisholms of antigonishs Toll highway)and Some Sports Experts locations as well.Sad to see that Halifax based Cunard is smaller then Wilsons of Truro.

The largest employers in the province are of course the provincial government which is really revenue neutral or negative when there is a budget deficit and when you are in debt over 12 billion dollars.

The three largest private employers in the province are
1. Convergys of Ohio
2. Michelin of France
3. Sobeys of Stellarton, Nova Scotia

The Art buyer for the President of michelin in the late 60's just happened to meet frank sobey on a air flight and the relationship started there between the province and michelin. The sobeys foundation has a huge collection of fine art and Donald Sobey sits on the board of the national gallery. The engine of the regions economy is certainly not Halifax. not to say it is nothing just to say there is much more out there then your distracted minds of commonwealth games and neptune theatres can grasp.

Jim
Jones

aH sorry to inform you emera is owned primarily by the Sobeys, Air Canada jazz is a company that is owned by Air Canada headquartered in Montreal and Wilson fuels is headquartered in Truro and owned by the Wilson family of truro ,Dave Wilson owns Ski Wentworth (which was bi passed by John Chisholms of antigonishs Toll highway)and Some Sports Experts locations as well.Sad to see that Halifax based Cunard is smaller then Wilsons of Truro.

The largest employers in the province are of course the provincial government which is really revenue neutral or negative when there is a budget deficit and when you are in debt over 12 billion dollars.

The three largest private employers in the province are
1. Convergys of Ohio
2. Michelin of France
3. Sobeys of Stellarton, Nova Scotia

The Art buyer for the President of michelin in the late 60's just happened to meet frank sobey on a air flight and the relationship started there between the province and michelin. The sobeys foundation has a huge collection of fine art and Donald Sobey sits on the board of the national gallery. The engine of the regions economy is certainly not Halifax. not to say it is nothing just to say there is much more out there then your distracted minds of commonwealth games and neptune theatres can grasp.

Jim
Jones


Ah, let me see over 200,000 jobs 5% unemployment rate lower than anywhere else in Atlantic Canada also the fastest growing city in Atlantic Canada... No Halifax isn't the privinces economic engine not at all. :| :| Give me a break wise up.

aH sorry to inform you emera is owned primarily by the Sobeys, Air Canada jazz is a company that is owned by Air Canada headquartered in Montreal and Wilson fuels is headquartered in Truro and owned by the Wilson family of truro

Emera, a company not owned by the Sobeys and not headquartered in Stellarton, has its head office at 1894 Barrington Street in Barrington Tower, Scotia Square.

Air Canada Jazz is headquartered at 310 Goudey Drive at the Halifax airport. They don't even have a regional office in Montreal. I said Halifax-based, not Halifax-owned. If you want Halifax-owned companies, I also provided many of those.

Wilsons Fuels is located at 3617 Barrington Street in downtown Halifax.

I notice you ignored all the other companies I posted, as well as the ones Haliguy did.

And just for the hell of it, I'm going to post a couple more:
-Amirix Systems (electronic systems)
-Ocean Nutrition Canada (international health food supplier)

"Ah, let me see over 200,000 jobs"


Actually thats 250,000 jobs.

Also, IMP Group who also owns Canjet is from Halifax as well as two of Canada's major banks were born in Halifax, Scotia Bank and the Royal Bank of Canada. There also many other companies such as Med Mira and several other bio-tech and I.T. companies such as Sports Direct who was recently chosen as the best new company in Canada. Alaint is also a Halifax based company.

You forgot one bank that was born in Halifax The Imperial Bank of Commerce or now the CIBC.That was Sanual Cunards bank that he created. So were is Ken Rowe from ??? England. Maybe that's why Ken Rowe got the idea that Buying a hotel in Moscow was a better idea then taking over the half completed airport hotel the keddy's went bankrupt on at Halifax International Airport a decade back. I also noticed that Crombie Real Estate(owned by the sobeys) or the shaw group did not take that project over along with Rodd suites of charlottetown or the Irvings. The tearing down on that project speaks to the ammount of traffic that was there at that time . And what does IMP do service the military. So in other words if there was no military in halifax you would not have IMP. Aliant is owned by the sobeys the broad members are sobeys or majority are sobeys executives. If you are taking a bus out of halifax you will have to use Acadian lines owned by the irvings. This Med Mira company do they happen to sell products in Lawtons who are Dartmouth headquarter and Sobeys owned or Shoppers Drug Mark who are owned by IMasco headed by Oxford Nova Scotian Purdy Crawford.
Oh and by the way the largest private shareholder of RBC stock was RB cameron sr. of new glasgow and now it is Ken Rowe. MY premise is that Halifax is so dependant on government and most of rural nova scotia has not had that to depend on with great results.
We sell you your food,your electric power,your telephone service thru aliant primarily owned by sobeys and eastlink owned by the braggs of oxford. The city would be a pretty cold place without windows made in moncton from atlantic windows (owned by antigonish businessman steve smith) or from kohler windows the other regional maker in Debert.

Face you have some small 30 year businesses that will probably be bought buy the people in the boonies like Ross Bragg who bought the Keatings Access cable. The 30 year plan is usually the best way to go with a buy for a great retirement. This is all not to say halifax does play a role in the region it does effect the bottom lines of all companies involved . The decisions however for much of halifax are made elsewhere in the province , in the region and even outside the entire country. Politically now the premier is from inverness and the former premier is from stellarton. The senoir federal cabinet minister is fropm new glasgow.

The people of halifax work as hard as most but the nature of the place is that you dont have to build a business from nothing like most in the rural economies of the maritimes. There is really no need to beat the streets as frank sobeys father did pushing a meat cart in the red row district of stellarton to sell food to the miners a the turn of the 20th century.

Halifax used to have that type of thing in the 1700 to the first part of the 1990's. Hence a Samual Cunard and the banks that were born here. Those banks have moved to the Toronto and Bay Street where Aliant, Emera and Sobeys are listed on the stock exchange. All controlled with sobeys investment portfolios having majority of the shares or having board members from the sobeys groups as a majority. Ironically Frank Sobey did not use Samual Cunards CIBC during his rise in the business world.

My thinking on the whole subject is that the commonwealth games are not the way to have a stadium and having the stadium is the thrust of this really.
I was talking to someone I know here personally who has met Sir Ron Scott and he said if sir ron wrote a report saying the commowealth games was too expensive for Auckland then Halifax will have some seroius debt problems.
jim jones

Emera, a company not owned by the Sobeys and not headquartered in Stellarton, has its head office at 1894 Barrington Street in Barrington Tower, Scotia Square.

Air Canada Jazz is headquartered at 310 Goudey Drive at the Halifax airport. They don't even have a regional office in Montreal. I said Halifax-based, not Halifax-owned. If you want Halifax-owned companies, I also provided many of those.

Wilsons Fuels is located at 3617 Barrington Street in downtown Halifax.

I notice you ignored all the other companies I posted, as well as the ones Haliguy did.

And just for the hell of it, I'm going to post a couple more:
-Amirix Systems (electronic systems)
-Ocean Nutrition Canada (international health food supplier)


gosh Emera's building is owned by guess who Sobeys surprize surprize. not only do they own the majority of shares and the broad room for that company but the property the headquarters is in. It is kinda like a saying they had in the 1960's in downtown new glasgow , never hit a kid outside a sobeys store because it just may be one of franks by a different last name. And While we are at it how about that liquor commission . The headquarters building leased from empire and most of the locations attached to a sobeys. Of course there is no Metro food retailer and george weston of ontario with Loblaws is the other side of the coin. Sobeys and loblaws First killing capitol stores in the 1970's and then IGA or the oshawa food group is bought by the sobeys decades later. Fred Macgillervray your games chairman used be president of Bolands owned by the Oshawa food group and sobeys had to sell that to loblaws to avoid competition rules. Sorry you are so wrong about Wilson's are far as ownership. Truro created truro owned another branch office in halifax. LOLOLOL

Who and Who?????? you might as well throw in WACKY WHEATLEYS but of course they had the metro thirty year plan and have belonged to a quebec company for atleast the last five years. If yuo are a business in metro you build it to be sold in a very short time.Nothing wrong with that at all. Perfect example is bedford IT firm Infometrica which I had shares in along with the sobeys and made a killing with when AOL America bought the company.

jim jones

Aliant is owned by the sobeys the broad members are sobeys or majority are sobeys executives.

Aliant is not owned by the Sobeys, and only one member of the Aliant board of directors is affiliated with Sobeys (Robert Dexter).

MY premise is that Halifax is so dependant on government and most of rural nova scotia has not had that to depend on with great results.

Rural Nova Scotian businesses have had Halifax to depend on, and that's why they're sucessful.

gosh Emera's building is owned by guess who Sobeys. LOLOLOL
But how does Crombie (Sobeys) owning Barrington Tower equal Crombie owning Emera?

Aliant is not owned by the Sobeys, and only one member of the Aliant board of directors is affiliated with Sobeys (Robert Dexter).

Rural Nova Scotian businesses have had Halifax to depend on, and that's why they're sucessful.

So if rural nova scotian business have to depend on halifax so much why is it that you are asking the rest of the us people out here to fund the games?There is not much value in sponsoring something only supported by 17 people on the BOOB er I mean Bob site. Scotiabank and Sobeys being the top tier sponsors??? The only company I see of an real weigh from metro in the sponsorship list is Clearwater and they are a bronze sponsor.

Come on now Please we build our businesses out in the boonies then we invade the city that process is usually decades in the making and we just don t have the distractions that metro has so we build businesses for the long haul. Bragg was not even in the picture in metro for cable until the last 15 years and he had that franchise for cumberland and colchester county for longer then that. He then went to antigonish, cape breton , pictou and the other rural areas while the keatings were happy with metro along with shaw(not the shaws of hlaifax but edmonton). eventually Bragg got the beachead buying the system in halifax to the dismay of the keatings having the system in dartmouth and sackville. By the time the Keatings could react it was too late. Might as well retire and get out while you can because A blueberry farmer from oxford has beaten you. LOLOLOLOL
jim jones

But how does Crombie (Sobeys) owning Barrington Tower equal Crombie owning Emera?

Oh my god those evil sobeys even own your handle. Penhorn
Penhorn Mall owned by crombie or sobey's

Oh my god those evil sobeys even own your handle. Penhorn
Penhorn Mall owned by crombie or sobey's

Pfft, yeah too bad its getting torn down lol

You forgot one bank that was born in Halifax The Imperial Bank of Commerce or now the CIBC.That was Sanual Cunards bank that he created. So were is Ken Rowe from ??? England. Maybe that's why Ken Rowe got the idea that Buying a hotel in Moscow was a better idea then taking over the half completed airport hotel the keddy's went bankrupt on at Halifax International Airport a decade back. I also noticed that Crombie Real Estate(owned by the sobeys) or the shaw group did not take that project over along with Rodd suites of charlottetown or the Irvings. The tearing down on that project speaks to the ammount of traffic that was there at that time . And what does IMP do service the military. So in other words if there was no military in halifax you would not have IMP. Aliant is owned by the sobeys the broad members are sobeys or majority are sobeys executives. If you are taking a bus out of halifax you will have to use Acadian lines owned by the irvings. This Med Mira company do they happen to sell products in Lawtons who are Dartmouth headquarter and Sobeys owned or Shoppers Drug Mark who are owned by IMasco headed by Oxford Nova Scotian Purdy Crawford.
Oh and by the way the largest private shareholder of RBC stock was RB cameron sr. of new glasgow and now it is Ken Rowe. MY premise is that Halifax is so dependant on government and most of rural nova scotia has not had that to depend on with great results.
We sell you your food,your electric power,your telephone service thru aliant primarily owned by sobeys and eastlink owned by the braggs of oxford. The city would be a pretty cold place without windows made in moncton from atlantic windows (owned by antigonish businessman steve smith) or from kohler windows the other regional maker in Debert.

Face you have some small 30 year businesses that will probably be bought buy the people in the boonies like Ross Bragg who bought the Keatings Access cable. The 30 year plan is usually the best way to go with a buy for a great retirement. This is all not to say halifax does play a role in the region it does effect the bottom lines of all companies involved . The decisions however for much of halifax are made elsewhere in the province , in the region and even outside the entire country. Politically now the premier is from inverness and the former premier is from stellarton. The senoir federal cabinet minister is fropm new glasgow.

The people of halifax work as hard as most but the nature of the place is that you dont have to build a business from nothing like most in the rural economies of the maritimes. There is really no need to beat the streets as frank sobeys father did pushing a meat cart in the red row district of stellarton to sell food to the miners a the turn of the 20th century.

Halifax used to have that type of thing in the 1700 to the first part of the 1990's. Hence a Samual Cunard and the banks that were born here. Those banks have moved to the Toronto and Bay Street where Aliant, Emera and Sobeys are listed on the stock exchange. All controlled with sobeys investment portfolios having majority of the shares or having board members from the sobeys groups as a majority. Ironically Frank Sobey did not use Samual Cunards CIBC during his rise in the business world.

My thinking on the whole subject is that the commonwealth games are not the way to have a stadium and having the stadium is the thrust of this really.
I was talking to someone I know here personally who has met Sir Ron Scott and he said if sir ron wrote a report saying the commowealth games was too expensive for Auckland then Halifax will have some seroius debt problems.
jim jones


Actually IMP servicees military's from all over world with billion dollar contracts and they are into other things in the aero space industry and others.

gosh Emera's building is owned by guess who Sobeys surprize surprize. not only do they own the majority of shares and the broad room for that company but the property the headquarters is in. It is kinda like a saying they had in the 1960's in downtown new glasgow , never hit a kid outside a sobeys store because it just may be one of franks by a different last name. And While we are at it how about that liquor commission . The headquarters building leased from empire and most of the locations attached to a sobeys. Of course there is no Metro food retailer and george weston of ontario with Loblaws is the other side of the coin. Sobeys and loblaws First killing capitol stores in the 1970's and then IGA or the oshawa food group is bought by the sobeys decades later. Fred Macgillervray your games chairman used be president of Bolands owned by the Oshawa food group and sobeys had to sell that to loblaws to avoid competition rules. Sorry you are so wrong about Wilson's are far as ownership. Truro created truro owned another branch office in halifax. LOLOLOL

Who and Who?????? you might as well throw in WACKY WHEATLEYS but of course they had the metro thirty year plan and have belonged to a quebec company for atleast the last five years. If yuo are a business in metro you build it to be sold in a very short time.Nothing wrong with that at all. Perfect example is bedford IT firm Infometrica which I had shares in along with the sobeys and made a killing with when AOL America bought the company.

jim jones

What does it matter the buliding they rent in is owned by Sobeys what does that have to do with the price of tea in china. Such a ridiculous point to make. your hillarous man!

So if rural nova scotian business have to depend on halifax so much why is it that you are asking the rest of the us people out here to fund the games?There is not much value in sponsoring something only supported by 17 people on the BOOB er I mean Bob site. Scotiabank and Sobeys being the top tier sponsors??? The only company I see of an real weigh from metro in the sponsorship list is Clearwater and they are a bronze sponsor.

Come on now Please we build our businesses out in the boonies then we invade the city that process is usually decades in the making and we just don t have the distractions that metro has so we build businesses for the long haul. Bragg was not even in the picture in metro for cable until the last 15 years and he had that franchise for cumberland and colchester county for longer then that. He then went to antigonish, cape breton , pictou and the other rural areas while the keatings were happy with metro along with shaw(not the shaws of hlaifax but edmonton). eventually Bragg got the beachead buying the system in halifax to the dismay of the keatings having the system in dartmouth and sackville. By the time the Keatings could react it was too late. Might as well retire and get out while you can because A blueberry farmer from oxford has beaten you. LOLOLOLOL
jim jones


Halifax is part of the province in case you forgot and provides a lot od tax revenue for the province so they deserve funding from the povince. Just like Halifax is part of Canada and deserves funding from the the feds. You go on like it is just Halifax's bid. In case you forgot Halifax was chosen to be Canada'S bid city so it not just Halifax's bid anymore it is Canada's. Just thought I woulD remind you of that because I don't think you realize this fact the way ypu go on.

Sorry for all the posts, but I just wanted to mention something else. The port of Halifax is a huge economic generator for the province and the Maritimes for that matter.

oh I am sorry I thought halifax was in england lololololloolool. Canadas bid I see . Ok then who is in power and did you vote for them . two liberals two new democrates. No tories there LOLOLOLOLOL.A liberal crossing the floor in one david emerson only ammounted to 38 million of 110 million requested by the Vancouver 2010 committee. That finasco is a very blunt lesson for any games promoters make sure the soil you build on for a speed skating oval is A. not sand and B. not in an earthquake zone. Who would figure building on fraser river delta silt in the city of richmond would drive the price up 100 million dollars and that one minor earthquake in an active cascadia subduction zone would put a 175 million dollar venue at risk. That is why open public meeting should be held in the CWG's bid. Do the organizers know with absolute knowledge that shannon park is not an environmential time bomb with 1940's buildings beside a body of water????
Or will we be in for a 100 million dollar plus surprize and thus the cost overruns come. This happened with the athletes village in melbourne.

You see it seems to me Paul Martin set you people up for the fall. He promised a commitment he knew he would not have to keep. The word from the liberal came down to the canadian CWGs people that he wanted halifax as the canadian bid city because he knew from his 2003 abuja visit that halifax would likely be the one chosen out of any canadian cities in an international bid.Paul Martin snubbed the conference for the commonwealth nations last year in malta and that had the membership questioning canada's commitment to the body. Thus he gets his votes for no money what so ever and it does not cost him if a stronger bid cities hamilton, ottawa , york or calgary are awarded. Martin knws it is a huge longshot and that the africans will win with what he personally witnessed in abuja in 2003.
Paul Martin is the very same prime miniister who provided 16 million with an absolute hard cap on funding the fina world aquatic championships and when that event in his own riding came up 4.75 in the red he did not wavier from the hard cap.
So it was a promise that was a false promise. Martin was in eskasoni to make that case that his commitment to the Indians should be kept by the Tories but notice he did have the same message about the commonwealth games????
Yes not even the guy who is said to made the promise is talking that the tories should keep his commonwealth games commitment that there is not a press release for. When you starting hearing words like "if this is not in the financial interest of the people of nova scotia to hold the games" coming out of games cheerleader Scott Logan then the end is near.

jim jones


Oh PS in keeping with the trend ABUJA WINS ABUJA WINS lolllolloolololo

oh I am sorry I thought halifax was in england lololololloolool. Canadas bid I see . Ok then who is in power and did you vote for them . two liberals two new democrates. No tories there LOLOLOLOLOL.A liberal crossing the floor in one david emerson only ammounted to 38 million of 110 million requested by the Vancouver 2010 committee. That finasco is a very blunt lesson for any games promoters make sure the soil you build on for a speed skating oval is A. not sand and B. not in an earthquake zone. Who would figure building on fraser river delta silt in the city of richmond would drive the price up 100 million dollars and that one minor earthquake in an active cascadia subduction zone would put a 175 million dollar venue at risk. That is why open public meeting should be held in the CWG's bid. Do the organizers know with absolute knowledge that shannon park is not an environmential time bomb with 1940's buildings beside a body of water????
Or will we be in for a 100 million dollar plus surprize and thus the cost overruns come. This happened with the athletes village in melbourne.

You see it seems to me Paul Martin set you people up for the fall. He promised a commitment he knew he would not have to keep. The word from the liberal came down to the canadian CWGs people that he wanted halifax as the canadian bid city because he knew from his 2003 abuja visit that halifax would likely be the one chosen out of any canadian cities in an international bid. Thus he gets his votes for no money what so ever and it does not cost him if a hamilton, ottawa , york or calgary are awarded.
Paul Martin is the very same prime miniister who provided 16 million with an absolute hard cap on funding the fina world aquatic championships and when that event in his own riding came up 4.75 in the red he did not wavier from the hard cap.
So it was a promise that was a false promise. Martin was in eskasoni to make that case that his commitment to the Indians should be kept by the Tories but notice he did have the same message about the commonwealth games????
Yes not even the guy who is said to made the promise is talking that the tories should keep his commonwealth games commitment that there is not a press release for. When you starting hearing words like "if this is not in the financial interest of the people of nova scotia to hold the games" coming out of games cheerleader Scott Logan then the end is near.

jim jones


Oh PS in keeping with the trend ABUJA WINS ABUJA WINS lolllolloolololo


Oh you know all this do ya. You have the inside scoop in the government do ya. This is just you're opinion and not fact. My opinion is that they will be supporting these games in a big way.

all you have to do is learn how to read johnnie. pretty plain to see. find me the press release of martins commitment . I looked high and low and cant find it. I really dont even think he made the commitment to be honest. It is apparent to the hamilton people some fishy things went on with the biding as they are now asking sports canada to do an inquiry into the situation . Thing about it. hamilton is beaten by halifax four years after hamilton beat halifax.
Ron Joyce from pictou county, former owner of Tim hortons is funding a stadium very much the same as monctons on the macmaster university campus. That venue was to be for non track events for the hamilton bid. Hamilton is in a stronger venue position now then four years ago . So how did halifax do it with no venues built since 2003 or any venues except the metro centre and the dalhousie field in the bid proposal??? Political intervention?????
Calgary dropped out because they got the feeling Halifax would get a hand out that Calgary would not get and their research showed that the CWG's are not a good business venture at this time. Alberta and that city could fund every single commonwealth games without any federal money but they dont.
watch for the announcement after the june 27 th bi election which looks to be turning into the next provincial election. If the tories dont return with metro seats then the HRM will get the news "we can fund the CWG's". If the liberals are in power you will see the escape of "We never made that commitment and it was absolutely stupid of the tories in the province to do so." Then the ndp might fund it but I doubt it. If you vote tory they get what they want and can break the promise that was by a former premier with support of the cabinet. The new premier thru his month peice scott logan that "the figures show it is not in thr best interests of the people of nova scotia to go forward with the bid".

Support and Funding are two different words in case you havent noticed.
I support the taxpayers giving me funds to have my pet project doesnt amount to I am going to fund this with taxpayers money.
Peter Mackay and all politicians talk the double speak to play for votes.

jim jones

"Ah, let me see over 200,000 jobs"


Actually thats 250,000 jobs.

Gosh 250,000 jobs with a population reported at 350,000 plus the unemployment rate must be 30 percent LOLOLOLOLOL.The sobeys,irvings and convergys take care of more people then I knew of down there in the supercitylollooolololoo Nevermind it is only a joke
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Gosh 250,000 jobs with a population reported at 350,000 plus the unemployment rate must be 30 percent LOLOLOLOLOL.The sobeys,irvings and convergys take care of more people then I knew of down there in the supercitylollooolololoo Nevermind it is only a joke
jim jones

You don't understand particaiption rate and that most cities are around 70 % of the population work in fact Halifax has one of the highest participation rates in the country meaning that there is a higher percentage of the population working than other cities. It also one of the lowest unemloyment rates east of Alberta. Lower than most Ontario cities. Also the population in halifax is about 400,000 and my number of job figures maybe a bit low it was from a few years ago.

all you have to do is learn how to read johnnie. pretty plain to see. find me the press release of martins commitment . I looked high and low and cant find it. I really dont even think he made the commitment to be honest. It is apparent to the hamilton people some fishy things went on with the biding as they are now asking sports canada to do an inquiry into the situation . Thing about it. hamilton is beaten by halifax four years after hamilton beat halifax.
Ron Joyce from pictou county, former owner of Tim hortons is funding a stadium very much the same as monctons on the macmaster university campus. That venue was to be for non track events for the hamilton bid. Hamilton is in a stronger venue position now then four years ago . So how did halifax do it with no venues built since 2003 or any venues except the metro centre and the dalhousie field in the bid proposal??? Political intervention?????
Calgary dropped out because they got the feeling Halifax would get a hand out that Calgary would not get and their research showed that the CWG's are not a good business venture at this time. Alberta and that city could fund every single commonwealth games without any federal money but they dont.
watch for the announcement after the june 27 th bi election which looks to be turning into the next provincial election. If the tories dont return with metro seats then the HRM will get the news "we can fund the CWG's". If the liberals are in power you will see the escape of "We never made that commitment and it was absolutely stupid of the tories in the province to do so." Then the ndp might fund it but I doubt it. If you vote tory they get what they want and can break the promise that was by a former premier with support of the cabinet. The new premier thru his month peice scott logan that "the figures show it is not in thr best interests of the people of nova scotia to go forward with the bid".

Support and Funding are two different words in case you havent noticed.
I support the taxpayers giving me funds to have my pet project doesnt amount to I am going to fund this with taxpayers money.
Peter Mackay and all politicians talk the double speak to play for votes.

jim jones


and yet again your opinion, not fact.

Gosh 250,000 jobs with a population reported at 350,000 plus the unemployment rate must be 30 percent LOLOLOLOLOL.The sobeys,irvings and convergys take care of more people then I knew of down there in the supercitylollooolololoo Nevermind it is only a joke
jim jones

You do understand that children and most elders dont work right? They are included into the population as well...

It is apparent to the hamilton people some fishy things went on with the biding as they are now asking sports canada to do an inquiry into the situation . Thing about it. hamilton is beaten by halifax four years after hamilton beat halifax.
Ron Joyce from pictou county, former owner of Tim hortons is funding a stadium very much the same as monctons on the macmaster university campus. That venue was to be for non track events for the hamilton bid. Hamilton is in a stronger venue position now then four years ago . So how did halifax do it with no venues built since 2003 or any venues except the metro centre and the dalhousie field in the bid proposal??? Political intervention?????
Calgary dropped out because they got the feeling Halifax would get a hand out that Calgary would not get and their research showed that the CWG's are not a good business venture at this time. Alberta and that city could fund every single commonwealth games without any federal money but they dont.

Why is it fishy that Halifax beat Hamilton after Hamilton beat Halifax 4 years ago? The bids are completely different. The votes are also based on what will be available by 2014, not on what's built now, so that argument is bunk.

Of course we are more likely to get a handout than Calgary, because we need one more. And why would they bother funding the games themselves? They wouldn't get anything out of it... we however will get all kinds of facilities that we've never had but the rest of Canada has had for decades.

Oh my god those evil sobeys even own your handle. Penhorn
Penhorn Mall owned by crombie or sobey's
Har har har. My handle is named after a lake. I notice you always ignore half of what I actually write in my posts.

Edit: (deleted post) Never mind, from now on I'm just going to ignore all your posts.

The Sobeys probably own all the lakes too... and the air. And the stars.

The Sobeys probably own all the lakes too... and the air. And the stars.

They do.. didn't you know.

You do understand that children and most elders dont work right? They are included into the population as well...

No you have to make some fun of the posts. I understand the figures and actually if it was 150,000 in the workforce in halifax I would not be surprized or dismayed at all. the employment figures are very good province wide. the ecomony is doing well and the biggest problem we are facing is not enough skilled labour with an aging population. Everyplace is experiencing that in canada. The US is not because of illegals flooding in .
Some times a litte sarcasim is great for the soul.
jim jones

The Sobeys probably own all the lakes too... and the air. And the stars.

Actually Sparkling Springs, Big Eight pop and Scotsburn own the water rights

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. but Penhorn Lake could not be used as those damm trailer park boys filmed the show that Ricky was mall security and bubbles had to fish rusty shopping carts out of the lake. Sobeys Shopping carts LOLOLOLOL

Why is it fishy that Halifax beat Hamilton after Hamilton beat Halifax 4 years ago? The bids are completely different. The votes are also based on what will be available by 2014, not on what's built now, so that argument is bunk.

Of course we are more likely to get a handout than Calgary, because we need one more. And why would they bother funding the games themselves? They wouldn't get anything out of it... we however will get all kinds of facilities that we've never had but the rest of Canada has had for decades.

So halifax builds absoultely nothing betweeen the bids with hamilton winning over halifax in 2003. And Hamilton loses builidng a new stadium . Yeah the autocad renderings of stadiums and venues on the drawing broad really convince people to who is more seroius about the games compard to the city of hamilton actualy moving in the direction of actually construction.

And why do we need a hand out more then calgary? Because we mismanage our taxmoney and affairs or they manage their much better????

12.5 billion is mismanagement by the province 300 million in debt by the HRM is mismanagement by the city. We get more then our fair share and then piss it away. Alberta gets nothing in federal provincial transfer payments. nova scotia however is a welfare case for the rest of canada.

jim jones

No you have to make some fun of the posts. I understand the figures and actually if it was 150,000 in the workforce in halifax I would not be surprized or dismayed at all. the employment figures are very good province wide. the ecomony is doing well and the biggest problem we are facing is not enough skilled labour with an aging population. Everyplace is experiencing that in canada. The US is not because of illegals flooding in .
Some times a litte sarcasim is great for the soul.
jim jones


It is over 200,000 I seen the lastest figures I while back. The umemplyment rate is fairly decent across the province and its great to see, but Halifax's 5 % is uncomparable with the rest of the province.

Could you rephrase this?

Actually Peter MacKay did guarantee funding for the games, although I suppose you'll go on to say that his word doesn't mean anything because he's busy arguing with Condie Rice blah blah blah blah blah... and just because you post something on another website doesn't make it a fact.

And yeah. Ok. Nigeria totally deserves the games. But so do we... to say that the games have been held in Canada X number of times is irrelevant: they've been held what, 5 times? But not once on the East Coast. Every province east of NB has a CFL team and a major stadium, and every province west of NB does NOT have a major stadium. Kind of strange when you consider the fact that NS alone has about the same population as Saskatchewant and about 100 times the density. So yeah I really think that we do deserve the games, or else we'll continue to slip farther and farther behind the rest of the country, and the young skilled educated people will continue to leave.

The history is clear
5 times in the uk
4 times in canada
4 times in australia
3 times in new zealand
2 times in asia
and once in a majority black nation with the games held in kingston jamaica.
Very simple math
with africa having 25 percent of the membership of the commonwealth and nigeria being the largest nation for population in africa. Abuja will be a great host for a place that has been denied for 76 years.
Like the General said "this is an african bid". south africa made a pact with nigeria. you bid on the CWG's for 2014 and we will bid on the fifa world for 2010. south africa got the world cup.

Eastern Canada deserving would be as bad as a region that didn t have it in australia, new zealand or the UK making the same agruement. An agruement with racist or stereotypical overtones. Not saying you are racist just some people would make the old tied agruements agianst an africa nation hosting this. If they lose look for a boycott.

Jim Jones

It is over 200,000 I seen the lastest figures I while back. The umemplyment rate is fairly decent across the province and its great to see, but Halifax's 5 % is uncomparable with the rest of the province.
No I am not debating the figures at all . what I am saying is if 150,000 people only working in halifax out of a population of 350,000 I would say that was very good and I understand that you have people in a population that are not in the workforce. As for 5 percent the only places I could see exceeding 5 percent unemployment would be industrial cape breton, canso and some others. For most of mainland nova scotia 5 percent is about the case. The strait of canso and port hawkesbury might be more with the strike at Stora but that place tends to have great employment prospects with the docks,the gypsum mine, stora, the LNG plant being contructed, Statia point Tupper, the nova scotia power plant.
Stora when running is the largest consumer of electric power in the province
Jim Jones

No I am not debating the figures at all . what I am saying is if 150,000 people only working in halifax out of a population of 350,000 I would say that was very good and I understand that you have people in a population that are not in the workforce. As for 5 percent the only places I could see exceeding 5 percent unemployment would be industrial cape breton, canso and some others. For most of mainland nova scotia 5 percent is about the case. The strait of canso and port hawkesbury might be more with the strike at Stora but that place tends to have great employment prospects with the docks,the gypsum mine, stora, the LNG plant being contructed, Statia point Tupper, the nova scotia power plant.
Stora when running is the largest consumer of electric power in the province
Jim Jones


The population of Halifax is closer to 400,000. I'm knocking the rest of n.s but I looked at statscan and rest of n.s has a higher unemployment rate than halifax anywheres from 8 - 14 %. I would be glad to see to whole province at 5% that would be great.

The population of Halifax is closer to 400,000. I'm knocking the rest of n.s but I looked at statscan and rest of n.s has a higher unemployment rate than halifax anywheres from 8 - 14 %. I would be glad to see to whole province at 5% that would be great.
or how about lets be fair and equal and get rid of a university or two, the navy yards could be scaled down. or how about the museums and other civil service jobs. buisnesses in my part of the province cant find workers and take radio ads and magnetic signs for advertize. That includes where a good part of metros food comes from the stelleraton sobeys warehouse.

jim jones

or how about lets be fair and equal and get rid of a university or two, the navy yards could be scaled down. or how about the museums and other civil service jobs. buisnesses in my part of the province cant find workers and take radio ads and magnetic signs for advertize. That includes where a good part of metros food comes from the stelleraton sobeys warehouse.

jim jones


That makes no sense. The universities are hear because Halifax seen the need for Universities way back and this is where they are. Lets get rid of Saint Francis Xavier University and see the unemloyment rate of Antigonish sky rocket. Its such a ridicilous point to make.... or lets take all of the civil service jobs out of Ottawa and see that unemployment rate sky rocket in Ottawa. There are plenty of private comapanies in Halifax employing a lot of people and that is where metros job growth is. Research in Motion, keane, CGI. etc, etc

Don't get me wrong I would love to see the jobs in all parts of the province and I do think that the provicne of as whole is doing well

The population of Halifax is closer to 400,000. I'm knocking the rest of n.s but I looked at statscan and rest of n.s has a higher unemployment rate than halifax anywheres from 8 - 14 %. I would be glad to see to whole province at 5% that would be great.

Well considering metros was 5.6 percent in january and industrial cape breton is in the double digits most of the time that would account for 8.7 percent province wide. considering the populations of sydney and metro are much larger then rural mainland nova scotia. The rural mainland population is not a much factor in unemployment between high and low numbers.
I would say pictou county is probably indeed higher then metro but not by much and if was lower I would not be surprized. Nothing against halifax at all The only people I could really see unemployeed in metro would be new arrrivals from cape breton or newfoundland looking for work. They either get jobs there or move on to alberta or upper canada.The other factor with unemployment it seems is people out of call centres getting UI and sitting on their asses for a year . That happens with all call centres in metro or anywheres in the province. My neighboor moved yesterday to work in a bar in red deer. funny she didnt choose halifax with the bar business there.
jim jones

March figures Halifax 5% Nova Scotia 7.8%. Thats pretty good...Nova Scotia now has lower rate than Quebec and Halifax is lower than almost every Ontario city even Toronto.

yes I am actually surprized by london ontarios rate of unemployment. higher then most.

You do understand that children and most elders dont work right? They are included into the population as well...

Gosh what ever happened to the good old days of forced child labour where they sent 12 years olds down in to the mines in stellarton. We keep this up we just might have a culture of lawyers and doctors here that become politicians like doctor john hamm and peter mackay. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

And then those elders gosh How would we be ennoyed going into a wal mart without old guys greeting us. LOLOLOLOLOL

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