Chernobyl

[Drij]

Chornobyl 1 (http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited)
Chornobyl 2 (http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-land-of-the-wolves)

[NMBS1]

Thanks! Very interesting stuff

[Sergei]

Just so you know, the website has been proven to be a fake. The story is fake, and even the photos don't show reality. In brief, this team claims to visit the area by themselves on their bikes, but really, nobody is allowed to go anywhere by themselves. There is always a tour guide with you. Also, they rearranged the pictures to make them more surreal, like putting a doll, picture of Lenin and a gas mask all together in some crib. Their tour guide later revealed that they did this on purpose, disturbing the original placement of the items. Since then, everything has been put back to their original places, so people can really see how it was when the disaster happened.

[Drij]

had no idea I was looking at a completely different thing when I found that link.

[VelesHomais]

Just so you know, the website has been proven to be a fake. The story is fake, and even the photos don't show reality. In brief, this team claims to visit the area by themselves on their bikes, but really, nobody is allowed to go anywhere by themselves. There is always a tour guide with you. Also, they rearranged the pictures to make them more surreal, like putting a doll, picture of Lenin and a gas mask all together in some crib. Their tour guide later revealed that they did this on purpose, disturbing the original placement of the items. Since then, everything has been put back to their original places, so people can really see how it was when the disaster happened.

Source? As far as I know this girls reputation is very good, she also covered very interesting historical sites of WW2.

[Sergei]

Source? As far as I know this girls reputation is very good, she also covered very interesting historical sites of WW2.
It's known everywhere. It was reveleaved quite a while ago, and it makes sense. Do you really think this girl had permission to ride around on her bike around Chernobyl by herself?

And this is from a girl called Ulana:

The site was pulled to be revised for accuracy. When I saw the sight I had very serious reservations about Elena's ability to ride around in Prypiat (Ghost town) on a motorcycle. I have been there several times and the process for access is a very serious one.

Ulana
Chronobyl Union International

"Ghost Town" UPDATE as published by E-Pochta A weekly Ukrainian email newsletter based out of Canada.

e-POSHTA subscriber Mary Mycio writes:
I am based in Kyiv and writing a book about Chornobyl for the Joseph Henry Press. Several sources have sent me links to the "Ghost Town" photo essay included in the last e-POSHTA mailing. Though it was full of factual errors, I did find the notion of lone young woman riding her motorcycle through the evacuated Zone of Alienation to be intriguing and asked about it when I visited there two days ago.
I am sorry to report that much of Elena's story is not true. She did not travel around the zone by herself on a motorcycle. Motorcycles are banned in the zone, as is wandering around alone, without an escort from the zone administration. She made one trip there with her husband and a friend. They traveled in a Chornobyl car that picked them up in Kyiv.
She did, however, bring a motorcycle helmet. They organized their trip through a Kyiv travel agency and the administration of the Chornobyl zone (and not her father). They were given the same standard excursion that most Chernobyl tourists receive. When the Web site appeared, Zone Administration personnel were in an uproar over who approved a motorcycle trip in the zone. When it turned out that the motorcycle story was an invention, they were even less pleased about this fantasy Web site.
Because of those problems, Elena and her husband have changed the Web site and the story considerably in the last few days. Earlier versions of the narrative lied more blatantly about Elena taking lone motorcycle trips in the zone. That has been changed to merely suggest that she does so, which is still misleading.
I would not normally bother to correct someone's silly Chornobyl fantasy. Indeed, correcting all the factual errors and falsehoods in "Ghost Town" would consume as much space as the Web site itself. But the motorcycle story was such an outrageous fiction that I thought the readers of e-Poshta should know.

Mary Mycio, J.D.
Legal Program Director
IREX U-Media

[VelesHomais]

eh, I dont know what to say :(

I've heard that ex-residents of Prypyat' travel there and visit their apartments where they used to live. But they probably got some special permission...

And I'm not sure if it's possible to restrict such a huge zone.

[_sick_driver_]

what a let down. :(

[NMBS1]

I read an article in Businessweek claiming that it's pretty easy to enter the zone, in fact, a minority of people have decided to go back and live there. At least that's what the article said.

[Hybrid 87]

I can't understand you guys ... You should better show some respect for those who died 20 years ago ... and not discuss if a website is true or fake!!!

[Nate]

I can't understand you guys ... You should better show some respect for those who died 20 years ago ... and not discuss if a website is true or fake!!!

We do show respect, and we mourn the loss of the people that died in the disaster.

However, if that site isn't true then it shows disrespect to the people who died, and to the people who have been affected by it. It does not help them to lie about what happened, nor does it help to lie about the actual condition of the area. And that is what the site did.

Would Jewish people have the right to comment about a site that was lying about certain aspects of the Holocaust? That is an even more serious matter, and I think they would have the right to comment on something that happened to them.

So therefore, us Ukrainians here should also have the right to discuss this tragic event in our history. Thanks.

[_sick_driver_]

^^yea um hi.
We do have respect for those who died 20 years ago tomorrow and the ones who have been affected by it. BUT there is NOTHING WRONG with discussing the validity of a website.[damn it Nate, you biaaaaaatch lol.]

NMBS1, yes, you are quite right about minorities moving in. The novel, "Voices of Chernobyl" does cover ethnic Russians and Ukrainians who lived in the Soviet Union but not in their ethnic country but countries such as Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Chenchya etc. where they were severly discriminated against and constant civil violence had been occuring. So a lot of these families decided to move to a "peaceful and free" environment like Chornobyl. Many don't care about the hazards, they're just glad they're away from those civil wars.

[VelesHomais]

^ that sounds ridiculous and unrealistic

[_sick_driver_]

^ that sounds ridiculous and unrealistic
how so?

[VelesHomais]

For starters, there was/is no severe discrimination against uzbekis, kyrgyzis and other asians.

And everything else is ridiculous. There were no civil wars in USSR from 1986 to 1991 ( which must be the period you're refering to ).

[_sick_driver_]

For starters, there was/is no severe discrimination against uzbekis, kyrgyzis and other asians.

And everything else is ridiculous. There were no civil wars in USSR from 1986 to 1991 ( which must be the period you're refering to ).
gah, i meant discrimination against Russians and Ukrainians in Uzbekistan.. and all those other asian soviet countries. and the civil wars were after 1991. like in Tajikistan there are two groups of people. [Pamir Tajiks and Kulyab Tajiks] The men run around w/guns trying to figure out if the people are of the other group and kill them.

[VelesHomais]

Okay, that is true. But why would they move to Chornobyl area? Still sounds far fetched

[_sick_driver_]

Well, the reason they gave was that it was far more peaceful then back where they lived where people ran around with guns not knowing if they'd live through the day or not. They just wanted to escape to a place where "freedom had no limit."

[VelesHomais]

Sounds like BS

They could simply move to a small ukrainian or russian town, without those asians.

And if they wanted wilderness - there's plenty of that in Siberia.

[VLADKO]

CHECK this webiste out many interesting things there also pictures.

http://pripyat.com/ru/photo_gallery/chernobyl/6/

[Drij]

look for "Tjernobyl" and watch it
http://www.jp.dk/

[_sick_driver_]

:( powerful images.

[Sergei]

:( powerful images.
That last one is scary! Poor children. :(

[VelesHomais]

Знято гриф "секретності": нова інформація про аварію на ЧАЕС
Кореспондент.net

25 Квітня 2006, 22:52

Сьогодні з низки документів СБУ, що стосуються аварії на ЧАЕС було знято гриф "секретності", передає УНІАН.

Так, за даними, які містяться в документі "Висновок спеціаліста" від 16 травня 1986 р., потужність вибуху на ЧАЕС у 1986 році була еквівалентна вибухові 30 тонн тротилу. Гриф "Секретності" було знято ще з низки документів Галузевого державного архіву СБУ.

Зазначені документи сьогодні були оприлюднені для преси в Музеї СБУ в Києві на зустрічі керівництва спецслужби з тими співробітниками, що з перших днів аварії на ЧАЕС брали участь у її розслідуванні та ліквідації її наслідків.

Інші розсекречені документи стосуються графіку динаміки радіаційного фону в Києві 30.04-02.05 1986р., даних про радіаційний стан в зоні аварії 1.05.1986р., стану радіаційного забруднення в Україні 16.10.1986р., стану лісових масивів у 30-кілометровій зоні відчуження навколо ЧАЕС 9.10.1986р., даних про кількість евакуйованих населених пунктів та громадян за травень 1986р., даних про загибель МІ-8 в зоні 4-го реактору 2.10.1986 тощо.

Після урочистої частини заходу, на якій голова СБУ Ігор Дрижчаний вручив нагороди ветеранам-чорнобильцям, відбулася перша публічна демонстрація відеокадрів, знятих над станцією в наступний за аварією день, журналісти мали нагоду поспілкуватися з учасниками тих подій.

Так, Анатолій Гулевич, який на момент аварії був співробітником підрозділу контррозвідки, стверджує, що тодішній керівник українського КДБ Степан Муха "побоявся" доповідати керівництву України інформацію, яку готували співробітники спецслужби саме про можливі загрози на ЧАЕС ще до аварії, і що ця інформація п’ять місяців пролежала "у сейфі".

"Вона тільки потім була виявлена московською комісією, яка приїхала для розслідування - чому не було вчасно докладено інформацію? Це було вже після аварії 26 квітня, десь у червні, і всі ці матеріали були докладені. Тобто, співробітник не знищив ці матеріали з правками Мухи, він тримав їх у себе в сейфі. Ось якби розсекретили ці матеріали - це було б цікаво", - говорить Гулевич, додаючи, що відповідних "об’ємних довідок" було десь п’ять-десять.

У свою чергу Віктор Клочко, який на момент аварії був начальником Прип’ятського міського відділу КДБ УСРС, серед іншого, розповів, що ще в лютому 1986 доповідав керівництву про ризики, що виникають у зв’язку з експлуатацією 4-го блоку ЧАЕС.

"У доповіді було написано чітко і зрозуміло - що на таких режимах, на яких ганяють блок, його ганяти не можна... Ми інформували, що на цьому 4-му блоці працюють на різних режимах, граничних до допустимого. Тому ми говорили, що це, можливо, може призвести до аварії", - говорить Клочко. Він зазначає, що доповідь базувалася на результатах відповідних перевірок: "Ми робили перевірки на основі тих перевірок і доповідали. А що далі - я не знаю, я ж був лише начальник міськвідділу". На запитання, чи реально було запобігти аварії, Клочко відповідає ствердно.

Щодо самої аварії він зазначає, що реальні масштаби катастрофи стали зрозумілі вже на ранок 27-го квітня, а документи засекречували, "щоб не було паніки".

За словами Клочка, однією з версій, яку перевіряла спецслужба, було проникнення на станцію з метою проведення диверсії, але вона відпала "буквально через день". "Не було ніякого проникнення, і, відповідно, пронесення якихось вибухових речовин", - зазначив він.

У матеріалах, розповсюджених прес-центром СБУ, зазначається, що усього в заходах із розслідування причин аварії та контррозвідувального забезпечення ліквідації її наслідків брали участь понад 1500 співробітників органів держбезпеки України. На сьогодні чимало з них внаслідок тяжких хвороб, отриманих під час ліквідації аварії, пішли з життя.

http://www.korespondent.net/main/49644

[bjfan82]

I didn't realize how bad that situation was, but i've been reading all day on different websites about this incident. I was a kid back in 1986 and don't remember it happening but i imagine it would've been a scary scary situation.

It is slightly funny that the guy referred to a little waterfalls as "Chernobyl Niagara" (i live next to N.F.)...at first I thought he was referring to the nuclear waste site there called "love canal", but it was just the resemblence of the small falls to Niagara Falls.

[bart901]

Чи хтось з вас був колись в зоні? Якщо так то скільки коштує вступ і всі потрібні дозволи до вступу?

[DrPass]

http://www.paranoid.com.ua/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=948&Itemid=37#jc_writeComment

[bart901]

DrPass дякує за лінка до сторони. Ви знаєте ще якісь інші бюро через яке можна дістатися до Цзарнобила?