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Paris Saint-Germain FC

2x Champion:
1986, 1994

8x Cup:
1982, 1983, 1993, 1995, 1998,
2004, 2006, 2010

3x League Cup: (record)
1995, 1998, 2008

2x Supercup:
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1x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
1996



as a french user already mentioned in another thread

it would be great for the stadium
http://www.sinelimite-europe.com/Project-parc_des_princes-2008/ParcFiche26.gif

Great pix!

So this is 6 meters and not 0.7 as people said.
Now I understand better.

But is this a project as other or do this fullfill the ambitions of the club's new owners.
If this prject is actually real, how much time will it take to be accomplished?
I've heard in could be done in the summer.

Anyway, it looks fantastic.

yes
Besiktas do the same thing
they even amde it at all stands
and it took 5 months or something

Will the stadium only be able to host soccer and not rugby?

It seems rubgy would be ousted with this configuration.

But who cares? big rugby games in Paris always occur on the Stade de France.

The parc des Prince definitly IS PSG's home.

i think Rugby will be in the Stade de France??!!

No, that's not what I mean.

PAris football club use the Parc des Princes.

PAris Rugby club NEVER USE the parc des princes. Its bigger matches, such as against archrivals toulouse (thanks french private TV who promote heavily those bouts) , are delocated from its small stadium down south to the huge Stade de France.
There's talk to build a stadium dedicated to rugby next to the parc des princes, it would be 20.0000.

wathever, only know that:
PARIS RUGBY CLUB DON'T AND NEVER WILL USE THE STADE DE FRANCE AS ITS REGULAR VENUE.

The Parc des Princes will host a number of games in the Rugby World Cup next year, and Stade Francais sometimes use it for European Cup games, so it's a shame that it will no longer be available, after hosting some memorable games in the past...

You're right to correct me.
PArc des prince is scheduled to host games at RWC and le stade français used to have big games in it before going to Stade de France.

With the new configuration, it will be hard for rugby as, if you look at the picture above, even the football pitch will be reduced in size.

It looks great! I'd also like to know if this is soon to become reality or if it is another "soon to be never built" project.
The stadium is not property of the team but the property of the city of PAris, I don't know who will fund this project even if it seems that the new bosses plan to invest lot of money and build a big big big club.

I am sorry but the Parc des princes is really starting to show its age. i dont think PSG shouldn't wast there time with updating it. Mabye they dont have alot of money true. But they should try and save up so they can make a better stadium thats more worthy for the club. I am sorry but to me france is one of the worst countries for stadiums(except the stade De France ohhhh my god one word perfect) next to italy. They should build a new stadium thats just my point.

Rugby games will be played at the proposed reconstruction of the Jean Bouin stadium, which is the Parc's little brother, it's right across the street.
Lagardere has a plan for it, he wants to create a giant sport arena for rugby, etc.
Although I think that Capital Colony will want to do it all their way on how to deal with the Parc and the neighborhood.
What I would love is for Colony Capital, who is already building the 185m T1 tower in La Defense, builts a hotel tower next to the Parc.

It's sure, Gecko, that Parc des Princes is an old stadium.

But everybody in France and particulary Paris love this stadium because of it's history.
Also you have to understand is that PSG players, fans and everybody else inside the club FEEL HOME here. The club office has just been built alongside the stadium
Even if someone can find it old (which is right) or ugly (which is wrong),
the infrastructures (confort, pitch view & everything else) are very good. It's rated 4 stars by UEFA.
It's a little bit like old trafford which looks old, is not very beautiful but has everything needed inside to make it a fantastic stadium.
We're lghtyears away from PSG moving.

Parc des Prince is not dead yet, believe me.

What I fear the most is the reduce of the pitch. I don't know if it could have negative effect for the PSG.

I really love this stadium,,, old??? maybe but still a great venue,,, since I knew of it existance in the 1998 world cup, when was my second favorite stadium,,,

i can see that now the stands will be much closer to the field, so will be great for the athmosphere.

with this new increase in capacity it will break the 50,000 mark, so my question is, could it be rated as a 5 star UEFA stadium????

paris could be the second city with 2 stadiums in that category.

^^ which one is the other?

^The Stade de France of course.
Anyway, if they play every game like they did today, we'll be champions next year, and fill any stadium.

I think he meant "which is the other city?". Hampden Park and Ibrox in Glasgow are both 5-star stadia.

I absolutely love the Parc de Princes. The colouring & the design are fantastic, and from the media I've seen the PSG fans really do make an atmosphere in there (such a shame they keep fighting with each other). So I'm glad to hear it's going to be expanded but still keeping it's appearance.

Looking at the picture, it looks like the slope of the seating behind the goals won't give a particularly good view, though.

It's up to UEFA to rate stadium.

whatever with this improvment the parc des prince will be the hottest place in france for a team stadium..... until marseille encloses, covers and expands its velodrome, which is not for the immediate future.

We're in the good path to finally have an half dozen of excellent stadiums

The stadium is perfect as it is or as it will soon be.
Big enough for the PSG which is lifted higer by new investors and beautiful enough not to look too old.
Definitly a great facility!

Ok, PSG just won the Cup but it's not yet a great great club.

It looks strange to me that just two weeks after an owner's shift, there already a serious project to extend the stadium. Does this picture reprensent an ACTUAL project or just something planned years ago?
Option two is for me the most accurate because it's a little bit rushed to have a project of expansion just two week after the team sold out.

No french team is a great club. That's sad but true.
Lyon is not yet an europe giant. Aulas need a champion league victory.

For the parc des prince, does somebody know how much seats are blocked by the giant screen?

it seems that this project exists for years but has been balked out numerous times. Now, new owners are OK to fund it.
I personnally find it necessary to kill distance between the hottest fans and the pitch.

why spend probably 30mio for an expansion?, just invest the monex on your team, and pack your backs to stade de france which has about 80.000 seats.

Because the Parc has potential, it's loved by the fans, the location is excellent, and the SdF is too big
The new owners of the Parc, Colony Capital, are in real estate, the primary reason why they bought the team is to control the Parc. Of course it isn't total, since they're on a lease from the City of Paris

Absolutly.
the PSG will never leave the Parc des Prince. they have too much history here and they don't need a 80.000 seaters stadium so why to move to the stade de france? The club would loose its identity by doing such a foolish act.
a 54.000 seater parc des princes wouls be fine for the PSG. Perhaps furthers expansion will happen but not in the near futur and the team regulary shining in national and euoprean competitions would be a sine qua non condition.
Right now, this 54.000 expansion is the ONLY thing PSG needs in the facility improvement category.

IMO, the stade de France is definitly a national stadium, not a club stadium.
Too big, stands too far from pitch.
At it opposite, PDP is a club stadium, even if it has for years honored France by being the national stadium.
PSG was right to balk out the idea of moving from PDP to SDF.
PSG was only created to give paris a first league team that could become the permanent resident of the Parc des Prince which was rebuilt at the end of the 60's.

Do you realise this stadium, in its actual configuration, is amost 40 years old????
This is an amazing stadium.

From what I'v heard the push for PSG to move is coming from those behind the Stade De France in order to try and recoup the costs of building it. I agree the Parc Des Princes suits the clubs far better to the extent there would have to be some pretty hefty incentives(very low rent for example) for them to move.

Yes, when the world cup was over, people started to ask what to do with the stade de France. rugby and football national teams, along with a pair of giant concerts were the only schedule for the next year.
By contract, the french government had to give millions to the stade de france conglomerate in case the building lost money. that why PSg was pushed to move on : it was government vital interest to have the stadium draw profits.
PSg, then a private owned club, had no interest at all to move and naturally balked out the idea.

sdf is not so great for football, it's amazing for rugby, track and field but football outside of the national team and the cups it doesn't make it. Lille had difficulty to fill it up and I have to admit the grey seats makes it cold really cold the parc is way warmer from a fan point of view, the acoustic is great there and it's a pure football stadium... so with luxury suite and 8000+ additional seats it's going to be just great...
and colony his also eye the space available around the stadium to develop some projects you can expect a 5 star hotel there I guess
Besides sdf doesn't need a club to make money... Their turnover is incredible. They have about 30 event per year, packing the schedule enough to generate benefit.
Maybe one day a club like Red Star will rise from the ashes and play there but the truth is sdf is fine by now.

Does anyone has idea hom long the expansion will last, how much it will cost and when will it finally start?

looks nice, I always liked this stadium, great design

I'm glad to see that England will be playing at Parc des Princes for one final time,
on 28 September next year against Tonga (unless Korea or Chinese Taipei springs a massive surprise in the repechage).

This stadium was ahead of it's time.

Excellent accoustics in there, believe me.

This expansion can done real quick. six to eight months max, it goes really fast cause it's not so extreme to do.
I have seen it done for one american stadium a few years ago... When the decision is made. They might phase it too: first the new seating around the pitch which can be done during the offseason and start the luxury suite to minimize the inconvenience, on the next off season.

the timeline as yet to be unveiled...
anyway, i think it will happen after the 2007 rugby world cup.
summer 2007? perhaps.

Five months is certainly accurate I think.
But if the renovation start in early june of 20XX and that it last even as few as two month, the stadium will be ready for early august and the football season then would be started.
Can we imagine PSG move for two or three games to the stade de France?
SDF would be better and a more logic option that charletty.

Yes, the Parc des prince was recognized as the most beautiful stadium in the world numerous times during the 70's". It was also known for being ahead of time to the end of the 80's.
It's a great new to me that you can expand the seating without changing the external look of the structure.

the timeline as yet to be unveiled...
anyway, i think it will happen after the 2007 rugby world cup.
summer 2007? perhaps.

The last game played at Parc des Princes in the Rugby World Cup will be on 19 October 2007. so no...

Rubgby world cup is during the fall?
So that mean it won't happen before the spring/summer 2008.

The same timeline applie to the velodrome in marlseille, although OM doesn't have yet found the money to expand the stadium to 80.000 and cover it.

Rubgby world cup is during the fall?

Yes - 7 September to 20 October 2007. I can't wait :)

Ok! so I hope you'll chave a last ride and a lot of fun in the parc des Princes actual configuration.

Me I can't wait to see all those project for french stadiums achieved :
parc des princes
velodrome
lens
lille
nice
clermond ferrand

[IMG]http://www.sinelimite-europe.com/Project-parc_des_princes-2008/ParcFiche26.gif


I think that there is enough place to bouild a third ring of seat if you destroy the roof isn't it?

Don't destroy the roof, please it's one of the reason why the atmosphere is so great...
And it's one of the main feature of the parc architecture.
Two years ago the owner wanted to have a roof. And you'd like to destroy the it?!
Besides it rains enough so that you want to give your fans somekind of shelter.

No, I dont say that I want the roof to be detroy because I too love it.

I just wanted to point that with this 54.000 expansion, all the inside will be fixed and after that to add something you'll have to destroyi the roof.

If someday the parc des princes needs to again expand, the only way to do so will be to A/destroy the roof B/ build a thier tier ring B/ construct a new roof.

I just said that, even with close streets around the stadium, there's enough place to expand by choosing my option.

Don't worry, I love the PDP as it is and don't think PSg need something above the 54.000, at least for now.

Thanks you got me really afraid for a sec here.
But honestly I don't really see the point pushing beyond 54000... There are a lot of people getting to the stadium on the big game nights but the fans with season tickets are only about 25000, I think that after that expansion the club won't need to expand again.
For me more than 55000 is frivolous anyway with a 54000 PSG gets back into the big club circles kinda.
Getting pdp above 60000 would be kinda silly it would be then time to consider playing some games (Champions league?) in sdf

You're totally right.

I Tool think that this forthcoming expansion will be the last to PDP because PSg don't need to go further.

But having a big stadium, for me, is not necessary entering big circle.
Look at bari, napoli, herta berlin, dusseldorf and other.

it looks good but what are PSG's attendances currently like?

Am I the only one who suspects this expansion will never happen?

You're totally right.

I Tool think that this forthcoming expansion will be the last to PDP because PSg don't need to go further.

But having a big stadium, for me, is not necessary entering big circle.
Look at bari, napoli, herta berlin, dusseldorf and other.

Hertha Berlin average 43069, with lots of games in the 50/60 thousands, and a couple of 74000 sell outs.

This was the attendance on Tuesday -

Hertha BSC Berlin 1:5 Bayer Leverkusen - 51324

attendence are not extraordianary around 35000 per game but for a few years now the team had difficulties... Now they seem to have a coach who can handle the pressure and a new ownership who won't have the same pressure to deliver marvel player like the previous owner had.
I think we can boost average attendence around 45000 on most games and push it to full capacity against Marseille,Lyon, Monaco, Bordeaux plus all uefa cup games.

No 2,752 you're perfectly right it might never happen but we can still talk about it besides this time the new owners seem to have money to do it. And the are in the development business so they like to build things. Last point it's not going to be expensive like a new stadium, probably just a few milion euros not the ludicrous amount OL will have to raise for its new stadium.

It's a bit more - a healthy 40279

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/avefra.htm

Herta berlin average is great but it doesn't make a giant club. look at dortmund. ok they won champions league once and they average between 75000/80000 since last expansion of their stadium but Their are not a giant club of europe.

I sincerely hope this expansion of parc des prince will happen. All signal are green.
owners have money (has previously said) and it's seems they want to develop the club in the long term.

As far as Lyon goes, I will PSG will have its 54.000 seats stadiums before the gran stadium of Lyon has started to be built.

Even if this project is never realized, it's fun and instrutice to talk about ins't it?

I think the Lyon project has more chance to be finished first because aulas wants it for years and years. It's its top priority with the exception of wanting to win the champion league.

on the opposite. PSG priority is to have a more competitive team as their stadium is filling all the actual needs of the club (what lyon's one doesn't).

So I think we'll see lyon stadium finished before PSG change has started.

You're right. that's why they might phase it... Adding luxury suites can be done during the summer really fast. They could start this july and finish on september first week without nobody noticing any inconvenience, if they add the green light from the authorities that is. The stadium capacity would still be 40000+ and after the RWC they could add the additional seating. lyon stadium might need 15-19 months to be build. For PDP you can talk in weeks and the cost is way lower. If both project are green lighted soon the race might be close.

Polititcs all have the last word. Until french club won't own their stadium or have to funds to upgrade or rebuilt them, it will be a sad moment for beautiful stadium's lovers.

Somebody have talked about new owners being real estate company and that they like to build things. That's ok with me but I don't see what it will really bring to the PSG. Even if, as you said neda say, the expansion will be cheap and not expansive at all, i think this money should be saved to buy better players as, I repeat it again and will surely do it again, NO ONE complains about the PDP in the club and in its fanbase, everybody loves it as it is!!!

True I like it as it is but the previous owners were looking to improve money from the sponsor side... The only way to attract corporate to the sport is a nice cosy and away from the crowd corporate suite. Besides I think some are not pleased by OL having a bigger Stadium... This might be just as simple... I t is ok to have Marseille bigger Lyon not so sure...It may sound stupid but sometimes stupid makes it

you're right neda say, it sounds dumb but it may be right.

anyway, aulas really want the stadium and will have it.

And even with PDP at 54.XXX seats, OL futur stadium will be bigger even with the 55.000 seats configuration which is the least they want.

instead of pointing which team has the best or bigger stadium, people should consider which team is best.....

The problem od the parc des princes fans is that sometimes they dump things on the pitch, exactly to hurt oppostie team corner shooter.
With the stand closer to the pitch, I fear those accidents will happen more frequently.

Does this problem could bare the expansion to actually occurs?
I know that security (for fans or players) matters a lot is a stadium organic structure project.

PSG was only created to give paris a first league team that could become the permanent resident of the Parc des Prince which was rebuilt at the end of the 60's.

Do you realise this stadium, in its actual configuration, is amost 40 years old????

Not really !! http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSG


The "new" Parc des Princes was build in 1972
The Paris FC used this stadium from 1972 to 1974 and in 1978/79
The PSG uses it since 1974
The RC Paris (RCF, Matra Racing) used it from 1984 to 1990

The first Parc des Princes was build in May 1897: it was a cycle-racing track. It was renovated in 1932
The RC Paris used it from 1932 to 1966
The Stade Francais used it from 1945 to 1966

In 1897:
http://pastadia.9online.fr/parc1.jpg

After 1932:
http://pastadia.9online.fr/parc3.jpg
http://pastadia.9online.fr/parc5.jpg
http://pastadia.9online.fr/parc7.jpg

Since 1972
http://pastadia.9online.fr/parc14.jpg

What I said was not really wrong as the PDP need a top noch club as permanent team and I also never denied the this stadium was rebuilt at the end of the 60's.

Anyway thank you for the info, it was very interesting and thank you for the Pix.

What I said was not really wrong as the PDP need a top noch club as permanent team and I also never denied the this stadium was rebuilt at the end of the 60's.
Yes, not really wrong ... but not really right, as well. ;)
It was just to complete your talk because it was not so easy...

So the Paris St Germain FC was created in 1970 after the merge of "Paris FC" and "Stade St Germain". The goal of the French Football Federation was to create a big team in Paris.

The town council of Paris was ready to subsidize this new team but it had to respect 3 conditions:
- the team must remain in D1 (first french league).
- the team must play in the future at the Parc des Princes (owned by the town council).
- the team has to change its name into Paris FC.

The third condition was not accepted. The PSG went to the third league (amateur). The PFC stayed at the Parc des Princes... (see message above).


On the other hand, the new Parc des Princes was built because of the construction of the periferique (ring road).


The intention of the creators of PSG was to create a big team in Paris.
The intention of the town council of Paris was to have a big permanent team at the Parc des Princes.
But the PSG was too "cheap" for the Capital and its new stadium... ;)

Did PSG directly started to play at the PDP or only when they reach division 1 level?

The PSG started to play (as permanent team) at the Parc des Princes in 1974 when they reach the D1 (see above).

The first team which played at the Parc des Princes was the Paris FC in 1972 just after the clash between the PFC & the PSG: the professional section of the PSG changed its name into PFC and stayed in D1 ; the amateur section went to the third league.

When the PSG was created in 1970, the new Parc des Princes wasn't built yet.

I'm not sure where the PSG started to play ! In think in St Germain en Laye may be at the "Camps des Loges", the stadium of the team "Stade St Germain". Even if the "Stade St Germain" used to play at the "old" Parc des Princes for big match like the Coupe de France, I think the PSG never played at this old stadium.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/3/3c/Ventes02.jpg/450px-Ventes02.jpg

The first match played at the Parc des Princes was 10 november 1973: PSG vs Red Star (D2 championship). After it was for big match:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/8/8b/PSG_1974.jpg/429px-PSG_1974.jpg

Thanks for the info

An enormous improvment from what I see on the pics.

technically, this is an amazing stadium.

The way to improve the capacity is smart because is doesn't change the look of this stadium we, the french, all love.

Is this a common way to go deep under the street level to increase seating? I know it has been done with the La coliseum and I believe with nou camp. Does somebody have before/after pics so we could see IN REAL what it looks like when all is done? thank you

La colliseum before :

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9538/lacoliseum10baseball0sp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


La colliseum after :

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9818/lacoliseum273pc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The capacity won about 14.000 seats.

The problem with PDP is that the stands on the side of the pitch are not as far as the ones behind the goals so the gain won't be regulary shared. it will be mostly behind the goals as you can see on the simulation that opened this topic.

Thank you for the pix vilak.
This kind of improvment doesn't seem to be expensive but it must take a lot of time.
In france ligue1 is off from late-may to late-july. I don't think two month may be enough to do this kind of improvment.

^well it isn't much of a problem, PSG can always play at the SdF for a month or two.
It isn't like LOSC

Yes, then we could see how PSG fills the SDF on regular season.

Otherwise two galleries of PdP pics on the PSG's official site:
http://www.psg.fr/fr/news/show.php?id=9631
http://www.psg.fr/fr/news/show.php?id=9637

Great links.
Thanks.

So, do we have news about this expansion?

^no, because even that animation isn't official, it's just an old project made by the architect, but the new investors still haven't unveiled their exact plans, they should do so by the end of the summer though.

I don't think they will start building before july 2007...Investors will probably like to wait and see if they can get some commitment on the luxury suites... Then the lower tribune extension will be four months max and even if it reduces attendence a bit I don't think psg will play games in SDF four months end of may june july august september beginning of october and here you are.

excellent idea for the stadium. it needs it too.

You're right needa say when you say that the lower ring has just to be closed during the renovation but what about the pitch?
If this project is realized, the pitch won't be made until the digging is done, the grass is brought and the sieldline are paiinted and I think it will take more than two or three weeks to be done.

1/The digging : no useless so PSg can't play. (how many tims it takes?)
2/the (don't know the english word) of the grass. pitch still useless (again how many times it takes?°
3/the 2 goal are put and the sideline are painted (should take one day approx)
4/the rebuild of the stand behind the goal, which started as soon as the digging endend, reduce the capacity to 2 fifth (I've read that the lower ring hold more seat than the higher) but PSg can play on the stadium.
What do you think?

They did it in turkey only closing one part of the stands not the entire stand... so psg might do the same. Grass may well be grown outside the stadium and brought at the very last moment...
-digging: two weeks
-fondation: lets make it three weeks
-rebuild: another four weeks
-laying pitch plus side lining: 2 days
- receiving agreement from district officer: unknown
Plan a good three month for the seating extension (end of may beginnig of september)
true the lower stands holds 24000 seats but it still makes up for a good 35000...even with an unfinished lower stand... Rennes played in these condition when its stadium was being overhauled ...

With new extra fast driing concrete and concrete shaper it can be superfast... I hope they put a few webcams so we can see the process

The luxury suite would be done on the next summer. That's how I'd do it but once again I am not the new owner and I have no idea of all the administration fuss you need to get through. Ok if we really fancy sdf lets have two games there... 5 euros a seat to drain people... and please have it to be at least Bordeaux, Lyon or Marseille... Troyes, Nancy or Ajaccio are unlikely to get more than 40000 in there

Thank you very much for all those details, we really need to know this kind of things.

So we can seriously counts on a 4 months timeline?

And what about the cost?

4 months is possible if they focus on one task... if they want to do both seating and suites it could be a little longer...

Now the price: some US firms have a very simple way to budget these things 1000 per seat if you make it cheap up to 2500 if you make it luxury. this concept do not apply to brand new stadium. Because you have to include architecture, impact and environmental studies, land acquistion cost... and with all this the total price rise to a fair 6000 a piece. I.e the Emirates Stadium 60000 seats for a 390M (don't put currency unit they are useless) 6x60000=360M plus various additional cost 30=390M in this case think in english pounds. it hurst to much in Euros lol

French stadium can be a lot cheaper:
Grenoble stadium 1687 per seat
Ex future Lille stadium 2117 per seat
Clermont stadium 1000 per seat

In PDP's case there should not be any additional studies. So low estimate 8.000.000 if you do some kind of crappy job and I would think 12.000.000 high estimate. That would only include seating.

The luxury suites are kinda of an X-factor because you don't know how much space they would occupy...There's a possibility that they have to remove one or two row at the top of the low ring to build these things... So they could reuse these seats on the new lower stand. Now idea either on how luxury these luxury suite will be... That's why the owner might wait and test the market to get to know who wants what.

My final estimate if they do it right between 15-22 Million. However there are so many factors that it's kinda silly to budget it as long as there's no firm project on the table. Still to say it's a cheap price for that many seat

This expansion is still an architect dream,a fan fantasy, and a owner wet dream and an admistrative nightmare.

So nothing will happen isn't it?

lets wait till the new ownership audit is completed ... there is no rush if you think about it pdp is now a 45000 seater... it's enough to drain huge crowd. PDP is one of the best place to play on the european stage. the rugby cup is coming next year lets wait till then full expansion might need five months. Lets give them a honey moon with the fans and then Colony will decide... This project is more interesting and more realistic that the roof that Canal+ wanted...

I beg your pardon? a roof????????
What's the story?

Don't tell me you haven't heard about canal+ ludicrous dream of putting a soft/solid roof on top of PDP...

It all started a few years ago after a crappy winter which had the pitch in quite a bad shape I must say. PSG started to study Amsterdam Arena roofing to see if they could fit something to get a full cover of pdp... The project ended costing 50M+ and PSG opted for the white synthetic bubble cover that you can see on the pitch when the weather turns nasty.

No I've never heard about it.

I always though roof were made for the confort of the audience and not to protect the pitch at its primary goal.

Well the confort in pdp is pretty decent... but freezing rain can destroy a pitch...
And honestly I don't really like dome... I've been living in Vancouver for a while and went to games in BC place... I have to say the light produced by a dome sucks... But when it rains cats, dogs and cows for up to 7 month strait well you need something to protect your turf

freezing rain would be ice!

lol Yes, ice is freezing rain in its solid state once on the ground.

Adding a roof was a stupid idea. Fans would be damn against it.

digging and expand is the best, if not the only, thing to do.

I think we all agree on that...But there's nothing done yet
new ownership has been really quiet in the last weeks

The season is over, they must think about improving the team and keeping the good players.

The stadium expansion will surely be on subject after the mercato ends.

I also think that if PSG want it and is ready to make sacrifice to achieve this goal, the UEFA cup is something the team could possibly win next season.
Don't forget this competition is also a moneymaker and when you have a stadium to expand, money is always welcome.

Yep! The cost can be quickly estimated so the money to save or to find can be quickly be known.

As they will have to wait until the rugby world cup is over next year, they have all the cards in hands to make this a reality and not just another dream.

It seems that people that have cards in hands really want it from what I've heard as I come back from paris and meet people that have ears in closer spheres of PSG.

That's BULLS****!!!!!!!

PSG owners now want to expand to 80.000.

Don't laugh, it's very serious!!!!!!!

The old plan I described in this topic is back :
1/destroy the top
2/build a third tier (a la San Ciro with support towers)
3/build a new top

Would be very expensive and totally useless.
they should spend the money on the team but O.M. plan to expand to 80.000 after rugby WC 2007 make them jealous so they don't want to be far behind.

do you have any source on this?

Colony capital still haven't made public their plan for the PdP and the environs, so we don't know what they really want

that's something circulating for about two weeks in upper management (that is the source).
They are studying it seriously but it looks very very expensive and can't be done before the 2007/2008 season end.
It seems it isn't worth the cost and with PDP environment, (roads, streets and buildings around and under the stadium), it's the only option to add 20.000/30.000 seats.

They want it, it's sure, but reality should soon make them step back and go with the +6.000 expansion by digging the field that opened that topic. that's my point so nobody really knows as we speak.

The cost of destruction of the roof is so not worth it ... They should just swallow their pride and have blue and red seat in stade de france put glass and stailess steal all around the stadium and fil it up with all the things that modern football clubs need and here they go a comfy stadium - not soccer specific - 5 star ranked with tons of space and enough luxury suites. All of this for not even a tenth of what they would pay for to get pdp upgraded to 80000 ...

I know every extansion should add capacity up to a third more than it was before extansion but that plan is just so bad.It hurts ...Ok they have money but that would just be a big waste if you want a new soccer specific ok then destroy pdp entirely and build something totally new the odds are it would be about the same kind of money in the end.

if PDP would be distroyed to be completly rebuilt, it would upset eveybody in Paris.
There's a lot of option to upgrade the comfort of this great stadium without a lot of change.
Upgrade the capacity would be a different story and due to the architecture of the building, the fans would not recognize the place after the lifting...

So much things can happen so what can we really expect within the next ten years for the Parc des Princes?

Parc des Princes has already been completely rebuilt twice :)

i think Rugby will be in the Stade de France??!!
Yes: since 1998 there are no Rugby games in Parc des Princes any longer.
Stade Français plays generally in Jean Bouin stadium and several times a years in Chaletty Stadium. Exeptionaly, SF plays in Stade de France.
Parc des Princes will host 4 games during 2007 RWC.

Parc des Princes has an history but it shows it age now. I don't forget that the two last official games played by France in PdP where against Israel and Bulgaria in 1993...(with Di Meco instead of Roche, Kostadinov would have finished the match in the hospital) French officials decided to play in other stadiums during Euro 1996 qualifications (Auxerre, Bordeaux, Marseille, Caen...)

Eomer :
There is way to expand PDP to 80.000, as it was put on the table for the 98 world cup. At this time, building a third tier (a la san ciro) was about as expensive as building an entierly new stadium (SDF) so the priject was quickly scrapped.
But now, This project would be cheaper and with the last technologies could be done quicker.
Anyway, it keeps being something extremly expensive and would be a total waste of time and money.
In theory, it is possible

if PDP would be distroyed to be completly rebuilt, it would upset eveybody in Paris.
There's a lot of option to upgrade the comfort of this great stadium without a lot of change.
Upgrade the capacity would be a different story and due to the architecture of the building, the fans would not recognize the place after the lifting...

So much things can happen so what can we really expect within the next ten years for the Parc des Princes?

In my opinion the Parc des Princes is one of the nicest stadiums in Europe. yes it needs a facelift, so do that, maybe an expention to 50.000 +, but 80.000? why?

I don't know too.
It's really stupid to want to expand PDP to 80.000...

PDP is
-a superb stadium
-loved by the players
-loved by the fans
-sold out only once or twice a years.

So there's no need to expand it, I agree to that too.

If what they really want is PDP to become a UEFA 5 star stadium by breaking the 50 mark, so go for the project that opened the topic (digging)...

I noted I didn't answered to one of neda say though:
I think the idea of 80k, whatever it's reasonnable or not, has a lot to do with Marseille project to expand velodrome to 80k because to satisfy the ego is the only logic that can make PSG bosses dream of such a capacity.

Yeah Vilak I know what you mean but that's not a logic it's just being beyond dumbness. That's what it is.

I hope they make it 54000 seats closer to the field and luxury suites and maybe a bit of heating to keep fans happy.

Look, there's enough place to built top tiers around most of the stadium

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Diggin will reduce the pitch size.
Will it still be on UEFA requirement?

Well as I've said again, 80k is really too much, there isn't enough space, and I can't see them destroying the whole roof, knowing that it's an integral part of the structure.
I do want them to refurbish it, but otherwise I like my PdP as it is. The 54k expansion is good, but 80k is just a vision, nothing more.
It's just too big of a project, it would require destroying some buildings around it, taking down the roof, then finding a way to expand around it...
but if they do manage to finish it, it will be a real wonder

Diggin will reduce the pitch size.
Will it still be on UEFA requirement?

Oh yeah no problem there! there really is ton's of space being the goap post
however playing rugby there will be pretty much out of the question.
but hey Stade Français is having a new r.s.s stadium built right next to pdp thay can't complain!

Cool!

concerning Jean bouins, I've heard that people resident that live next to it and PDP are damn against it.

Cool!

concerning Jean bouin, I've heard that people resident that live next to it and PDP are damn against it.

Shhh don't say that! Even if it's true!

Well this is the 16th district these people don't enjoy roadwork or any kind of disturbance anyway! That's why we are not supposed to listen to their grief. Delanoe (Paris mayor) had a choice: modify Charletty which did not need much or averhaul Jean Bouin. He chose the latest. I have no idea why but he did. It should start in 2010 finished by 2012 and have a cap of 20000.

Funny thing while Jean Bouin is being destroyed (they should only keep walls for the look) where do you think Stade Français is going to play???

Parc des Princes, Stade de France or Charletty!!!

I'd bet on charletty because 20.000 is big enough for regular season.
Of course SDF will be used for big match and perhaps PDP will also be there, perhaps for the complete european cup?

Please tell me what is right and what is wrong in my though

I would have to ask about it to make sure but you can't have pdp at 80000 if you're planning to have Jean Bouin at 20000. These two are as close as it gets. I 've been to Jean bouin numerous times any kind of work made on pdp would be a major disturbance and vice versa.

Considering this factor I seriously doubt that the 80000 project would be greenlighted by the mayor office or the prefect services. Not to forget this project would involve roofing the Peripherique on a pretty substantial surface.

In addition to that remember that media mogul Lagardere is supposed to build something on the same cluster i.e. the HQ of Team Lagardere Jean bouin Tennis Club. Unless he decides to move it to La Croix Catelan that he now owns.

Speaking about expanding PDP, says who?

Ok so if the 80K one is just a dream of billionaires owners blocked by reason, cost and urbanism, can we count on the 54K expansion?

Well I hope so?

Well as most of us nomally minded people, I think you're right!
Now remember it's Max Guazzini "cool" megalomania at work!!!
SF obviously turned down Charletty for reason I ignore so far.
PSG is not to keen to have games of rugby played on it's field.
Stade de france is available but really expensive to book.

What's your choice now!?

ps: Charletty has an athletic track just like jean bouin does! It's always a major factor and it's location is really far from perfect in Paris south

I would choose charletty. SF won't pass the 20.000 average attendance.
Of course for european cup I would choose parc des princes.

Yeah just this is going to cause trouble!

It's always causing trouble when two team share the same stadium...

So we're light years away from PSG moving from PDP, great.
Hope this expansion will start as soon as the rugby world cup is over

todays news from l'equipe.fr in french sorry
4 equity funds would buy shares of the club ... They would not replace the actual owners( Butler-Colony-Stanley) but come in addition to them as they owners planned it at the beginning.

Quatre fonds d'investissement, deux français et deux anglo-saxons, devraient bientôt entrer dans le capital du Paris-SG aux côtés de Colony Capital, Butler Capital Partners et Morgan Stanley, d'après le site internet du quotidien La Tribune.

«Quatre fonds d'investissement, deux français et deux anglo-saxons, vont bientôt rejoindre le capital du club de football, le Paris Saint-Germain. Ils prendront au total 40% du club de la capitale et viendront rejoindre chacun détenant 20% des parts», assure le quotidien. Le club parisien avait été cédé par Canal + en avril dernier au trio Butler-Colony-Stanley pour 41 millions d'euros. Ces nouveaux actionnaires avaient indiqué dès le départ qu'il allaient ouvrir le capital à de nouveaux investisseurs quelques mois après leur arrivée.

I don't know if it's good or bad for the PSG...

todays news from l'equipe.fr in french sorry
4 equity funds would buy shares of the club ... They would not replace the actual owners( Butler-Colony-Stanley) but come in addition to them as they owners planned it at the beginning.

They got money to waste...

Well these new investors are not modifying the staff. They are just paying to Buttler, Colony and Stanley a hefty ticket... The original plan is following dur course. BC & S got PSG for not much. All three partners were aiming to have a 20 % stake in the club. Now they sell shares of it to newcomers. So whatever the new investors will pay they 'll pay more dollar for less value since they will share the remaining 40 %.

So where this point us to as far as PSG sake is concerned?

Just some cashflow for Colony Buttler and Stanley and some of this cash might help the club to afford one or two top player during the mercatos and get any expansion passed in force... The amont of money we are talking about is substantial.

OK, this is REALLY a lot of money so a lot of hope can be put on PSG. good.

On paper, very good indeed!

Ok I wonder if I really should write this post now but life goes on!

After the last european game tragedy. New measures are to be enforced soon.

PSG will have to apply drastic rules regarding their fans, including dissolution of a few groups.

Considering these events I don't think this expansion will happen anytime soon.

Minister of Interior, the League and and the Club itself seem to be commited to have empty stands rather than fanatics.

In my opinion it is a very good way to have a fan friendly atmosphere in Parc des Princes in the future.

But truth is a bunch a stupid fans went to far thursday night and the club will suffer from it.

As a parisian, thought not a fan of PSG, I'm ashamed that this sad event happened. Football should never be a reason for fans to die and people to be threat because they are white, black, muslim, jew...

you're damn right!

PSG is now, and for a long time, on the black list of football bigheads.

what happened?

An "ultra" got killed assaulting a cop who was defending a fan from the visiting team Hapoel Tel Aviv. A bunch of ultras was apparently trying to "kill" the fan. The cop had no choice he got his gun out and fired. On the following day another group of fan assaulted a few players of the PSG. No casualties on either side. Luckily!

The PDP always had huge security problems with PSG fans.
now it went beyond all limits with this death...
How can you expect the stadium to be expanded when you have riots and deaths with only an half capacity crowd?

I don't ! and I'd be the owner of the club I'd reconsider everything. I have no news as to the entry of the new partners.

I guess this is screwing everything up. You can't talk about expanding this stadium if you can't get people to go and safely attend a game of football.

I'd rather have it downsized.

Parc des Princes has an history but it shows it age now.


You do think it does, really?

PSG fans are so great and soooooo nice, they really deserve their stadium to be expanded.
Don't they?

no they just deserve to fall in league 2!
I hope we won't see them next year again in L 1 .

PSG fans are so great and soooooo nice, they really deserve their stadium to be expanded.
Don't they?

Why do you keep digging up this thread for your nonsense?

because I Like too.
dont't like it? So whydo you answer?

no they just deserve to fall in league 2!
I hope we won't see them next year again in L 1 .

you don't ever shut up, do you?
Such hate!





For the PdP, I highly doubt it'll be expanded.
Then again, nobody knows what Colony Capital really wants to do with the club

you don't ever shut up, do you?
Such hate!





For the PdP, I highly doubt it'll be expanded.
Then again, nobody knows what Colony Capital really wants to do with the club


if you to shut up, then do it! :)

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I like the seats very much which I think are the most crucial of all amenities in football stadium but those structures for preventing pitch invasions really suck!!!!! So do the red steel panels!!!!!! PSG needs to do something about them. They make the stadium look like a prison

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when you see certain of their supporters you understand why it's conepted like a prison :D

hahaha!!!!!!

They did it in turkey only closing one part of the stands not the entire stand... so psg might do the same. Grass may well be grown outside the stadium and brought at the very last moment...
-digging: two weeks
-fondation: lets make it three weeks
-rebuild: another four weeks
-laying pitch plus side lining: 2 days
- receiving agreement from district officer: unknown
Plan a good three month for the seating extension (end of may beginnig of september)
true the lower stands holds 24000 seats but it still makes up for a good 35000...even with an unfinished lower stand... Rennes played in these condition when its stadium was being overhauled ...

With new extra fast driing concrete and concrete shaper it can be superfast... I hope they put a few webcams so we can see the process

The luxury suite would be done on the next summer. That's how I'd do it but once again I am not the new owner and I have no idea of all the administration fuss you need to get through. Ok if we really fancy sdf lets have two games there... 5 euros a seat to drain people... and please have it to be at least Bordeaux, Lyon or Marseille... Troyes, Nancy or Ajaccio are unlikely to get more than 40000 in there

PSG, if it's still in ligue1:lol:, would better play at SDF (in the 60k configuration) during the expansion.

Putting aside all questions of money, time & regulation and using any technology available :
To which maximum capacity does the Parc des Prince can be expanded without touching anything from the exterior?

Hu hu! Real good questions, do fans deserve the treat! Do the owners still want in! If we ban stupid fans and we all know PSG has a bunch of these! How many seats are really necessary! Especially if the take the lift down!

The maximum capacity is the 54,453 announced in the thread starter. It's the architect original expansion project!

Putting aside all questions of money, time & regulation and using any technology available :
To which maximum capacity does the Parc des Prince can be expanded without touching anything from the exterior?

Ok let's run in fantasy land.:cheers:

1/I would completly destroy all the stands.

2/I would digg 8/10 meters instead of 6.

3/I would build the new stands. Those very steep stands would start just under the roof and would end as close as UEFA allows it to the pitch.

I think I then would have a seating between a least 65 and 70K.

Of course this would be so expensive it would be absolutly unaffordable but it's technically possible and that answers your question.:)

Ok let's run in fantasy land.:cheers:

1/I would completly destroy all the stands.

2/I would digg 8/10 meters instead of 6.

3/I would build the new stands. Those very steep stands would start just under the roof and would end as close as UEFA allows it to the pitch.

I think I then would have a seating between a least 65 and 70K.

Of course this would be so expensive it would be absolutly unaffordable but it's technically possible and that answers your question.:)

Thank you for your idea, I find it good but as you said very expensive.
The stand would have to be very very steep. I don't know if it would be accepted by the security comitee, I've heard there's some legislation about it.
More close than 60 than 65K I think with your method.

Vilak : the stands would have to be very steep to hold 65/70K seats. I don't know if it would match security rules.

Ok let's run in fantasy land.:cheers:

1/I would completly destroy all the stands.

2/I would digg 8/10 meters instead of 6.

3/I would build the new stands. Those very steep stands would start just under the roof and would end as close as UEFA allows it to the pitch.

I think I then would have a seating between a least 65 and 70K.

Of course this would be so expensive it would be absolutly unaffordable but it's technically possible and that answers your question.:)

Uh, uh, that would be like playing directly on concrete for players! Shall I remind some that part of the stands and the pitch are located directly above the ring road!!!! Besides the stand would be so steep that I'm not even sure that the health and safety department would authorize that! lol

Besides does Paris needs two 70000 seaters! Oh what the hell! Why not?! it's just crazy talk anyway!

Ooops, I forgot there was a road close under the PDP.
Yes that's crazy talk but I found it fun.
Of course PSG doesn't need a 60/70K stadium and they may soon don't even need a 48K stadium.
Let's hope they'll save themselves...

Ooops, I forgot there was a road close under the PDP.
Yes that's crazy talk but I found it fun.
Of course PSG doesn't need a 60/70K stadium and they may soon don't even need a 48K stadium.
Let's hope they'll save themselves...


Sorry not to share your views but I want them to go down this time around! That would teach this club and its fans humility!

The fact is that we really don't know what's wrong within the club to have such shamefull performances with such a great rooster.

Do you think that in ligue2, PSG attendance would sink or do you think they will keep the same average one?

It's time to create a second club in Paris!!!!!

^^ What's the 2nd biggest club in the urban area of Paris at the moment? What league does it play in?

Red star I think. ligue2 or ligue3.
No much fans... couldn't even fill parc des prince. Of course if they were in ligue1, they would have more people to support them.

My only wish is Paris in ligue 2 :)

^^ What's the 2nd biggest club in the urban area of Paris at the moment? What league does it play in?

It's Paris FC who play in Stade Charlety in League 3
You have Creteil who get down in league 3 last year too ( Play at Dominique Duvauchelle)
Racing Paris who had played in first league 15 years ago (Matra Racing) is in league 4 now ( play at Colombe stadium; who was the stadium of the WC 1938 final...)
Red Star is in 4 or 5 league...

Why dose Paris only have 1 big team for a city its size it should have maybe 4 teams in the top leauge. Also why are PSG such a basket case team they should be the best supported team in europe going by city size and lack of local rivals. Feel sorry for there fans because they have such a crap manager i know how they fell maybe you can get your own Walter Smith to make PSG good gain next season.

Why dose Paris only have 1 big team for a city its size it should have maybe 4 teams in the top leauge. Also why are PSG such a basket case team they should be the best supported team in europe going by city size and lack of local rivals.

Yes, Paris really is a world city with a lacking stadium/arena infrastructure, Atleast if we compare it to other mega-cities.
Its almost unbelievable that the Parc de Princes was the only major stadium in the city until the SDF came along. Im also surprised that the city, given its size and importance, isnt fielding 3-4 decent football teams. How come?

There used to be two teams in L1 years ago! At the moment there's no room for a second club in the top league and the problem is that it's impossible to exist in Paris if your team isn't at the top. Paris has four stadiums for pro sport, Stade de France (78000), Parc des Princes (46500), Stade Jean Bouin (10000 soon to be 20000) and Stade Charletty (20000).

The infrastructure is there but not the will of any investor! some small clubs also exist in the suburb, but at best they play in the third league! Numerous project have been tried but all have fails to give Stade de France a team resident.

Such a shame this stadium don't have a good tennant...

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No way you can expand it to 80k as you said it was proposed in mid 90's. Street are too close to the stadium.

No way you can expand it to 80k as you said it was proposed in mid 90's. Street are too close to the stadium.

With money and genius you can do everything. If for WC98 it would have been the sole option, you would have seen a 80.000 Parc des Princes.

Do you have an idea of the cost it would have created?
Enormous as Neda Say pointed that there's a road under the stadium.

How many fans do PFC usually play in front of at Charlety?

PFC play in front of about 500/600 fans at Charlety :)
The Peripherique is under the parc des princes (you can see it on the bottom of Vilak's photo ! )

Do you have an idea of the cost it would have created?
Enormous as Neda Say pointed that there's a road under the stadium.

Absolutly! I never deny it, I just say if it was the sole option, it would have happened.

It was unreallistic because how the PDP expansion can be the sole option in a megapolis like the greater paris? A lot of empty land everywhere...

It was also unreallistic as the enormous cost was the one of a new stadium.

...so SDF came to life instead.

Absolutly! I never deny it, I just say if it was the sole option, it would have happened.

It was unreallistic because how the PDP expansion can be the sole option in a megapolis like the greater paris? A lot of empty land everywhere...

It was also unreallistic as the enormous cost was the one of a new stadium.

...so SDF came to life instead.

Ok, now I understand what you meant.

It seems that right now the team is running wild, that the "fans topic" is problem free, that the direction is doing well so, why not put this expension back on the table?

They perhaps don't have the money or they wait that France is awarded Euro 2016 to benefit from government money. Marseille, Lyon, Lille and maybe Lens also do it so why not Paris?
Please note that for PDP, an expansion is not as important as for those named cities.

I hope the field does get lowered in this expansion. The current situation looks like an athletics or cycling track can be fitted in the stadium, though Paris already has a large stadium with that capability (The Stade de France). By the way, when is this expansion project gonna start? If not, when will it be granted approval?

Don't count on any expansion of this stadium :ohno:

I hope the field does get lowered in this expansion. The current situation looks like an athletics or cycling track can be fitted in the stadium, though Paris already has a large stadium with that capability (The Stade de France). By the way, when is this expansion project gonna start? If not, when will it be granted approval?

It used to be a velodrome.

I hope the field does get lowered in this expansion. The current situation looks like an athletics or cycling track can be fitted in the stadium, though Paris already has a large stadium with that capability (The Stade de France). By the way, when is this expansion project gonna start? If not, when will it be granted approval?

Well the current incarnation of Parc des Princes never had an Athletics or Cycling track. The Pitch is extra long because it was built to fit the 'traditional' dimensions of a Rugby Union field which has 20m end goal areas (end zones in America Football) totalling a full length of 140m (100m playing field and two 20m end goal areas at each end. Parc des Princes was til 1998 the national stadium of France for Rugby Union as well as Soccer.

So after the stadium gets expanded, it will not host Rugby Union matches anymore?

First this stadium doesn't host rugby game anymore... and Second it will not be expanded

Yes it will host rugby games again, their neighbour team (stade Français) will play there some games during the building of their own new stadium !

The next rugby game will be played in may for the last home game of the rugby season.

So after the stadium gets expanded, it will not host Rugby Union matches anymore?

In the case the stadium is expanded, I'm afraid it no longer have enough place to hold the Rugby endgoals although I don't know what kind of minimal size is required for this part of the gamefield by the International Board.

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Parc des Princes hospitality :

Colony Capital, the owner of the Paris Saint-Germain and administrator of the stadium, wants to add 60 skyboxes in the stadium (on the top of the main stand) in addition of existing VIP areas ....

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are the blue seat vip section is the one for president de la republique?

Which ones ???

Because our King :lol: is seated on the top of the "Corbeille" stand !

There :

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BTW, finally Axel, don't you like this Stadium....??

This capacity extension is gonna suck because I don't think any rugby union games are going to be played in this stadium anymore. The stadium has a soccer field that measures 105 x 68 m. A rugby union field is played at a 120-144 x 70 m field. Rugby union games are currently played at the Stadium of France anyway, so what's it matter? After the capacity is extended, a rugby union field can't be properly fitted in this stadium anymore.

Maybe not, because, "if if if" they extend it : You have to know that the actual distance between the two end zone stands is : 168 meters.... which is HUGE for a non-athletics stadium !

Anyway, I already saw, on TV, rugby games played at Old Trafford, where the stands are soooo much closer...

Edit, Take a look at this pic :

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Which ones ???

Because our King :lol: is seated on the top of the "Corbeille" stand !

There :



BTW, finally Axel, don't you like this Stadium....??

I don't like this stadium! But the vip seats are good!

i was talking about 4th the pic starting from the down.

This one ??

It's the Privilège Stand : (season ticket : 7,500 €)
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Other VIP areas :

Club Paris : (season ticket : 3,500 €)
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Open : (season ticket : 5,950 €)
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First: (season ticket : 8,500 €)
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Prestige : (season ticket : 9,500 €)
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And "le Carré" : (Royal Box :lol:)

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yes i did'nt think vip parts of this stadium were so developed and well done?!

I understand better why they want to increase their number...

The 40-years-old Parc des Princes

Main events : (Including the former Parc des Princes) :cheers:
33 French FA Cup Finals
3 French League Cup Finals
126 (non-friendly) International Football games (French National team)
31 French Rugby Union Championship Finals
84 International Rugby Union games, Including the 5 Nations Championship (French National team)
2 Super Cup of Portugal "SuperTaça Cândido de Oliveira", 1995 & 1996

(UEFA) Latin Cup (Final) 1952
(UEFA) Latin Cup (Final) 1955
UEFA Champions League (Final) 1956
UEFA Champions League (Final) 1975
UEFA Champions League (Final) 1981
UEFA Cup winners' cup (Final) 1978
UEFA Cup winners' cup (Final) 1995
UEFA Europa League (Final) 1998
UEFA Euro 1960: Final + 1 Semi-Final
UEFA Euro 1984: Final + several games
FIFA World Cup 1938: Opening+ several games
FIFA World Cup 1998 :Third place + several games
IRB World Cup 2007: Third place + several games


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Eiffel Tower...
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The Scottish.........at Home (Euro 2008 qualifications)
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Rugby (Stade Français-Paris)
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Concerts
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2006 FIFA World Cup Final...... ;)...on the screens of course !
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I don't know why they want to expand the Parc des Princes. PSG's average gate last season was only about 41,000 so the Parc is perfect for them as it is. Expanding it will mean more empty seats during games. The same goes for Valencia in Spain: building a huge new stadium when their current one isn't full most of the time.

Well, for being in comformity with UEFA Euro 2016 requirements, the main worry is the number of VIP areas and suites.

It already has several VIP areas and many Business seats, but none suites/skyboxes (see my previous posts).
They will add 60/70 skyboxes & suites + numerous new business seats.
All the stands will be refurbished (seats, corridors, hospitality etc). The lighting will be changed and modernized (because of HDTV) etc

An extension will be great also, but it won't be much bigger: 47,428 (48,712 for Rugby games) Today and 52K-53K after renovation (because of Périphérique Ring road which is just under the stadium). The point is to approach the stands wich are really far from the pitch.

Sébastien Bazin, Europe's chairman of US investment company Colony Capital (owner of Paris-SG & operator of Parc des Princes), said last week that the stadium will be extended and profoundly refurbished....

Apparently, they will also remove all the barricades and plexiglass separations (maybe not the best idea, if you know the PSG' Ultras).

The cost of refurbishment will be between €50 million and 75 million.

It looks to similar to the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City :
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How many rugby games take place there now? I know Stade Francais play a few games (more each year) at the Stade de France, so how many do they play here?

Well, for being in comformity with UEFA Euro 2016 requirements, the main worry is the number of VIP areas and suites.

It already has several VIP areas and many Business seats, but none suites/skyboxes (see my previous posts).
They will add 60/70 skyboxes & suites + numerous new business seats.
All the stands will be refurbished (seats, corridors, hospitality etc). The lighting will be changed and modernized (because of HDTV) etc

An extension will be great also, but it won't be much bigger: 47,428 (48,712 for Rugby games) Today and 52K-53K after renovation (because of Périphérique Ring road which is just under the stadium). The point is to approach the stands wich are really far from the pitch.

Sébastien Bazin, Europe's chairman of US investment company Colony Capital (owner of Paris-SG & operator of Parc des Princes), said last week that the stadium will be extended and profoundly refurbished....

Apparently, they will also remove all the barricades and plexiglass separations (maybe not the best idea, if you know the PSG' Ultras).

The cost of refurbishment will be between €50 million and 75 million.

Great news although the term "profoundly refurbished" scares me a little bit.
No timeline yet I suppose?

It looks to similar to the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City :
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/betitobetiux/steca.jpg

No, it doesn't.

my view, the most beautiful soccer stadium in the world.

No news from the project? they must have presented something to the commission for Euro 2016 by now, no?

No news from the project? they must have presented something to the commission for Euro 2016 by now, no?

I've not heard of anything new but we must admit that even if nothing's done, the PDP has everything to fill the demands and be one of the selected stadiums.

According to yesterday sport daily newspaper "L'Equipe", 70 millions will be injected in the PDP to renovate it if France get euro 2016.

The owners of Paris SG announced (last weekend), that the team might play at the Stade de France during the refurbishment (& extension) of the Parc des Princes....

The owners of Paris SG announced (last weekend), that the team might play at the Stade de France during the refurbishment (& extension) of the Parc des Princes....

And do they finally have some ideas of what they are really going to do? 70 millions they can already do something nice...Does anyone know if they will do the extension once proposed by Taillibert (lowering the level of the field)?
I heard so many different things on that project ("6 meters lower for more than 7000 places", "no it's not possible to lower it more than 70 cm for 3500 places"...)
But anyway I'm sure Colony wants to make some more suites, so certainly the global capacity of the Parc des Princes won't increase after this refurbishment...
:ohno:

As far I know, Bazin said that they want to increase the global capacity (not only the VIP/BS seats), which is also proved by the fact that the stadium might be not available during the works.
Anyway, (imo) the new skyboxes/suites will be created on the top of the main stand where the "non used" pressboxes are...

About the extension :

from Le Monde newspaper (04/16/06):

L'un des projets des nouveaux dirigeants du PSG a toutefois pu étonner : ils envisagent d'abaisser la pelouse du Parc de 70 centimètres pour hisser la capacité des tribunes à 54 000 places. Le stade est pourtant construit en cuvette, sur des parkings et au-dessus du périphérique.

Roger Taillibert, l'architecte qui a construit le Parc des Princes en 1972, assure que l'opération est possible : "C'est un vieux projet qui avait déjà été évoqué du temps de Canal+. Techniquement, c'est sans problème. En abaissant celle-ci, on peut rajouter des sièges à condition de les disposer en courbe, selon une parabole."

Toujours actif à 80 ans - il conçoit des stades en Afrique du Sud en prévision de la Coupe du monde de 2010 -, l'architecte prévient pourtant que rien ne pourra se faire sans lui. "Le PSG devra me demander mon accord et me commander des études spécifiques pour ces aménagements." La collaboration ne devrait pas poser de problème : "Je connais très bien Sébastien Bazin, qui dirige Colony Capital en France, indique M. Taillibert. Je travaille avec lui sur d'autres affaires."

The owners of Paris SG announced (last weekend), that the team might play at the Stade de France during the refurbishment (& extension) of the Parc des Princes....

This is the most obvious and easy option.
something will finally happen, the big question is "when?".

I think that sound quite logic: if they move to Stade de France during the works, it must be because they will indeed work on the field and therefore it seems to support the idea that they will do Taillibert's project of lowering the field to gain some seats

That would be good news! :-)
Hope to see some detailed projects coming out after Nov. 11th...

i think the op should contain all the pictures in the thread.

A sitweb in which one is led a reflection on the renovation of the "Parc des Princes"

http://terrellgroup.net/references.php?menu=type&id=16&reference=696&asset=1371&sub=3

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^^ Is that something official or just a "vision" ????

Anyway, thanks for the link (despite I'm not sure to like that project :D)

OK, I have my own answer: IT'S AN OFFICIAL PROJECT !!!!! :uh:

Again @piraB4L: Thanks for the link !!!!!

My pleasure ;)

nice....but I'm a bit disappointed as it only seems to be the addition of a roof, no extension on that project....seems like it's gonna stay a 45000 seater...

OK, I have my own answer: IT'S AN OFFICIAL PROJECT !!!!! :uh:

Again @piraB4L: Thanks for the link !!!!!

Any sources or news about that?

The truss in the middle looks horrible...
Do they really need a retractable roof?
Would this project also increase capacity or just the roof?

Any sources or news about that?

News: none unfortunately !
But one of my sources is the link gave by piraB4L and I saw that this engineering group, apparently, work frequently with Colony Capital....So....

A project has recently been announced for a complete rebuilding of the nearby Jean Bouin Stadium. Its new capacity will be 20,000 and apparently it looks like a miniature version of Parc des Princes.

^^ Euro2016 in France

When turkish televisions show parc des princes,PSG fans burns their stadium also triumph of PSG.Can PSG fans be foolish ? :D

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http://stadiony.net/stadiony/fra/parc_des_princes

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:cheers:

^^J'aime ce coté solidarité nationale.... même chez les frères ennemis !!!
Merci Suprême :bow: !

PS: (long live the Paris Saint-Germain :yes:)

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its not a retractable roof its a fixed roof

^^ Actually no, it's retractable according the designers, but nothing sure about its construction !

and the proyect parc des princes 2016??

Yes there are a porject for Euro2016.

The lastest new said that investment firm Colony Capital , PSG's owner, will be the only one to be the owner of Parc des Princes for the next 100 years. Because the other candidate "Racing Métro 92" 's rugby club president, Jacky Lorenzetti, didn't present a good offer for this bid.


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Traslation (french > english)
It is the Parisian (Paris's newspaper) who revealed this Wednesday, Colony Capital will very likely be chosen by the mayor of Paris in early 2011 in order to take control of the Parc des Princes with the key works from 60 to 80 million euros to put an enormous stroke of nine at the point where changing the Paris Saint-Germain.


If the current major shareholder of the PSG is almost certain to win the lease as long expected, is his only rival in the bidding, conducted by the boss of the rugby team Racing-Métro 92 has been set aside, not having made improvements to the file required by elected officials in Paris. By winning this jackpot, Colony Capital will establish a permanent and probably agree to do more to Paris Saint-Germain, so that "his" Parc des Princes ultra-modern, not like an empty shell.



http://www.foot01.com/ligue1/apres-le-psg-colony-capital-va-s-offrir-le-parc-des-princes,paris,59457

A quite nice video, in French, posted by kybo (SSC user & info-stade.fr (http://www.info-stades.fr/) admin.) showing the stadium, its glorious history :bowtie:, its way of operating and its potential (hospitality, big events, conventions etc)

Enjoy :cheers: :):
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Wouldn't it fail the UEFA/FIFA regulations for sideline distances to the stands then? Judging from that model it looks quite tight near the corners..

according the latest news

new psg owners want a bigger parc des princes (60-70k) But the mayor said it's impossible due to the space & neighborhood.

In march we will know what happens:

If this renovation is made or QSI(owner of psg) show plans for a move to SDF at st denis or build their new home somewhere around paris

Because they want a TRUE home and new training camp.

Qatar want to see things bigger for paris like they do in their country (WC 2020)

Yes there are a porject for Euro2016.

The lastest new said that investment firm Colony Capital , PSG's owner, will be the only one to be the owner of Parc des Princes for the next 100 years. Because the other candidate "Racing Métro 92" 's rugby club president, Jacky Lorenzetti, didn't present a good offer for this bid.



http://www.foot01.com/ligue1/apres-le-psg-colony-capital-va-s-offrir-le-parc-des-princes,paris,59457

What a botched job translation I hope it was a google translate work!

Back to the topic I hope QSI fail! I'm not a Parc Des Princes fanatic but I want another club to play in the SDF preferably a club from Seine Saint-Denis! 50000+ is big plenty! Yes some will say bigger is better but I beg to differ! I think that it's enough to run a sustainable club in a sustainable championship! If PSG plays really well and wins championships it will probably make sense to play at SDF then. However I'm sure that even with their respective lower budgets Marseille, Lille and Lyon will make sure that they won't! You guys just wait... hihihi!

I have very found memories at the Parc Des Princes. As a child I saw the stadium being built and I have been many times to the stadium mainly to watch rugby games and support the PSG. My foundest memories being the five nations tournament in 78, France Bresil in 1978, the final between Bezier and USAP in 1977, the final between Bezier and stade Toulousain in 1980, the 1982 French cup final between PSG and St Etienne with Borelli kissing the turf, The final betwwen RC Toulon and stade Toulousain in 1985 (the one with double overtime ), and finally the great PSG 85-86 season... My last season as a PSG season holder before moving back to the USA...
I know that the Parc has seen better days and needs to be refurbished, I do hope that the owners of the PSG are going to keep the team at the stadium after a spell at Stade De France but I have the feeling that when the PSG is going to move to St Denis they will not go back to the Parc unlees they get it brand spanking new. If the PSG is going to move forward and become an elite european club they are going to have to have a world class stadium and at this point the logical solution would be the 80,000 seats Stade de France. I do not see the PSG having a smaller stadium than OM, Lyon, or Lille for example. Refurbishing the Parc to add 5000 or 10000 seats does not make sense. They either going to have to be bold and rebuild the stadium to a 70,000 capacity or take over the Stade de France and refurbish it to make it a football stadium. The Mairie de Paris is going to have to go with the flow , grow some balls and destroy the Parc and rebuild a new one, or loose the team to St Denis... This would mean that the Parc would not be available for the Euro. Who cares about 3 or four games in June 2016, it is more important to keep the PSG in Paris and have a world class facility in Paris... Just use Arena 92 for 2016, or delocalizes the Euro to La Beaujoire in Nantes for example...