Urban Skylines: Established and Emerging Skyscrapers [Archive] - Page 10

Sinjin P.

November 15th, 2007, 12:52 PM

Section 450. Requisites for Creation.

(a) A municipality or a cluster of barangays may be converted into a component city if it has an average annual income, as certified by the Department of Finance, of at least Twenty million (P20,000,000.00) for the last two (2) consecutive years based on 1991 constant prices(RECENTLY UPGRADED TO P100 MILLION) , and
if it has either of the following requisites:

(i) a contiguous territory of at least one hundred (100) square kilometers, as certified by the Lands Management Bureau; or

(ii) a population of not less than one hundred fifty thousand (150,000) inhabitants, as certified by the National Statistics Office:

Provided, That, the creation thereof shall not reduce the land area, population, and income of the original unit or units at the time of said creation to less than the minimum requirements prescribed herein.

(b) The territorial jurisdiction of a newly-created city shall be properly identified by metes and bounds. The requirement on land area shall not apply where the city proposed to be created is composed of one (1) or more islands. The territory need not be contiguous if it comprises two (2) or more islands.

(c) The average annual income shall include the income accruing to the general fund, exclusive of specific funds, transfers, and non-recurring income.

Sinjin P.

November 15th, 2007, 12:56 PM

blueguy

November 15th, 2007, 02:29 PM

Di ba ERAP city yang san juan?

paulirium

November 15th, 2007, 05:22 PM

I usually pass by our Pambansang Museo & I think it's a bit old. It badly needs a facelift & I certainly think that Atienza has big plans for it, but sadly Lim took his place. So much for politics, I believe that repainting the structure would be a good head start. Adding some lights outside can express the numerous pillars & removing the basketball court would create a better "National Museum" feel. Even the lights of the building is very old, fluorescent lamps inside a building looks nice but it really doesn't fit the classy styles of our National Museum. They could've installed chandeliers or better lighting fixtures.

Just like ROM, breaking the element of Greek Architecture can ruin the classical style of a certain building. I certainly think that by breaking the monotonous array of classical buildings in Manila, it would create another marvel that can capture Filipinos. What saddens me is the lack of patronage for our local museums. It should have been the famous places to stroll & learn. I have nothing against malls but we Filipinos tend to patronize malls & cinemas than libraries & museums. And to say that malls in the Philippines were like mushrooms, that makes me want to vomit the thought of one day having the title of "The Mall Country in Asia".

By doing such redevelopment to our National Museum, we can have at least a time to learn about our rich history. By the way, even Singaporeans loved Rizal, it's quite absurd to hear a Filipino who doesn't know much about his/her National Hero & his own culture.

Kindly check out http://www.lorcalma.com for his museums designs & concepts.

(Sigh...)Sorry for this out of the topic reply.

dinabaw

November 16th, 2007, 03:23 AM

^^Holy crap. Pano naging city ang San Juan? Ang konti ng population and land area. What are the requirements to become a city by the way?

dapat may Presedente nakatira :D

Colonel Burger

November 16th, 2007, 04:13 AM

SAN JUAN CITY

Annual Income: "ewan"

AND

Land Area: 5.94 sq. km. NOT QUALIFIED!

OR

Population: 19,811 (2000 Census) NOT QUALIFIED!

Kahit balibaliktarin pa, hindi qualified ang San Juan para maging isang city. Hmm. Baka special city lang na ang pangulo ang nag-apruba

Income wise and population wise, San Juan is qualified to be a City.

NATIONAL CAPITAL REGION (NCR)
MUNICIPALITIES FY 2004

San Juan P454.709,000.00
Navotas P155,708,998.07
Taguig P599,533,000.00

*Source: ANALYSIS OF INCOME REQUIREMENT OF
MUNICIPALITIES APPLYING FOR
CONVERSION INTO COMPONENT CITIES by Sen. Aquilino Pimintel Jr.

Population wise, San Juan has a population of 117,680 or a population density of 19,811/sq km with an annual growth of .65% in 2000.

So with an annual population growth of .65% for San Juan, in 7 years from 2000, it is estimated that the population of San Juan this year is at around 180,000.

* Source: www.census.gov.ph

Sinjin P.

November 16th, 2007, 05:28 AM

^ I see. Yikes, etong Wikipedia talaga. :bash:

icarusrising

November 16th, 2007, 06:05 AM

Di ba ERAP city yang san juan?

:lol:

Di ba me Erap City sa Rodriguez?

icarusrising

November 16th, 2007, 06:28 AM

^^I didn't know that it's the Manila government which has jurisdiction over the National Museum. I thought, it's under the national government.

Colonel Burger

November 16th, 2007, 06:37 AM

:lol:

Di ba me Erap City sa Rodriguez?

Sa Taytay yung Erap City :banana:

icarusrising

November 16th, 2007, 07:01 AM

Sa Taytay yung Erap City :banana:

There must be more than one.

Colonel Burger

November 16th, 2007, 07:05 AM

Sa Taytay kasi nirelocate yung mga dating squatters ng San Juan.

icarusrising

November 17th, 2007, 06:55 PM

^^ I see. I know for a fact that a low-cost housing project with New San Jose Builder as contractor was created in Rodriguez, Rizal when Estrada was president and was called Erap City. Some people I know, actually live there. I am not sure if they still call the place as Erap city though.

ForwardTaguigCity

November 17th, 2007, 07:52 PM

suburbs exist relatively with the city center. the thing with metro manila (meaning the 16 cities and 1 town that make it up) is that there is no designated center. in the original plan of the city of manila, the center was supposed to be rizal park and the business and government centers where all around it. the roxas boulevard was the main thoroughfare. but that area was too small and eventually got overcrowded. and then business districts started popping out well away from the "center" and claimed to be centers too, like makati the business and financial center and ortigas. and then goverment offices moved away to quezon city too, like the house of representatives and a good number of executive departments. and the EDSA became the main thoroughfare. at that time, manila was no longer the center but it also included, makati, quezon city, pasay. now development is pushing beyond the semi-circle formed by EDSA and there's eastwood city and bonifacio global city along C-5 road. maybe now, you can call this part the center and all areas beyond it as the "suburbs" of manila. which as had been earlier said, are more like bedroom communities hosting the needs of the center.

kiretoce

November 17th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Caloocan is divided. You have the Northern and Southern part. The Northern part is more suburban. But the area within Monumento doesn't have a suburban atmosphere. The Monumento area is as vibrant and as lively similar to that of Cubao or Quiapo.

As for Paranaque. The southern areas are very suburban. I actually stay in BF Homes when I'm in Manila and is definitely suburban.

With the advancement of urban sprawl, what was once a suburb (relatively speaking) will pretty soon become urban, but the connotation of "suburb" will still be retained even if the city/town has been built up and fully developed.

suburbs exist relatively with the city center. the thing with metro manila (meaning the 16 cities and 1 town that make it up) is that there is no designated center. in the original plan of the city of manila, the center was supposed to be rizal park and the business and government centers where all around it. the roxas boulevard was the main thoroughfare. but that area was too small and eventually got overcrowded. and then business districts started popping out well away from the "center" and claimed to be centers too, like makati the business and financial center and ortigas. and then goverment offices moved away to quezon city too, like the house of representatives and a good number of executive departments. and the EDSA became the main thoroughfare. at that time, manila was no longer the center but it also included, makati, quezon city, pasay. now development is pushing beyond the semi-circle formed by EDSA and there's eastwood city and bonifacio global city along C-5 road. maybe now, you can call this part the center and all areas beyond it as the "suburbs" of manila. which as had been earlier said, are more like bedroom communities hosting the needs of the center.

A very good explanation. Personally, the way I see things now, I consider Metro Manila as a single entity, and with that in mind, what I consider "suburbs" are the neighboring provinces where their respective residents commuting to the inner city (anywhere in the Metro area) for employment and schooling.

icarusrising

November 18th, 2007, 01:44 AM

icarusrising

November 18th, 2007, 02:05 AM

Here's another shot of the San Miguel building. Among the things I like about this structure is the expansive greenery and beautiful landscaping that they incorporated to the whole complex.

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/27665/2037649670101994864S600x600Q85.jpg

Photo by HarryCool at Flickr.

xavierdude

November 18th, 2007, 04:29 AM

san miguel building was the last collaboration by the manosa brothers (yes, there are three manosa architects)...

and because it's manosa - the structure was inspired by the terraces and the awning/canopies of the bahay kubo (the aluminum frames on the fenestration simulates the tukod)

Lightspeed

November 18th, 2007, 12:49 PM

Manila-X

November 18th, 2007, 10:07 PM

I would consider the entire Metro Manila as ONE BIG CITY!

I consider Manila, Quezon City, Makati City, Pasig City and the other component cities as mere geographic divisions of the gigantic megapolis that is Metro Manila.

I would consider places like Antipolo, Cavite, Laguna, Bulacan, Tagaytay as the suburbs of Metro Manila.

It's pretty different with cities at the edge of Metro Manila such as Paranaque, Las Pinas or Valenzuela. The southside of Metro Manila definitely suburban. Once you drive beyond Nichols on the SLEX, the atmosphere is very different from the areas within EDSA.

icarusrising

November 24th, 2007, 01:21 AM

^^ Thanks for the piece of trivia, Xavierdude. It makes me appreciate these architectural jewels even more.

Let's not go far. The next modern structure I'm posting is also in Ortigas. Another very imposing landmark there is the Asian Development Bank headquarters...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2058538516_215b3b81b4_o.jpg

Photo by mrbinondo at Flickr

thomasian

November 24th, 2007, 03:13 AM

I would also consider Benguet Center as an Ortigas Center landmark.

icarusrising

November 24th, 2007, 03:38 AM

I would also consider Benguet Center as an Ortigas Center landmark.

I'll have that posted next, Aaron. Took a pic yesterday but it's from the overpass so it's obstructed by El Pueblo structures...

tigidig14

November 27th, 2007, 02:13 AM

wasap cha hehe

icarusrising

November 28th, 2007, 01:06 AM

Another long-time Ortigas landmark... the Benguet Center which now houses BDO offices.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2341/2070102404_18e03f8eab_b.jpg

richard24

November 28th, 2007, 03:21 AM

^^ gigibain ba yang benguet center once they start with sm-ks (tama ba?)? Nabasa ko kasi sa webiste ng keppel na they're going to launch by 2ndQ of 2008.

thomasian

November 28th, 2007, 01:25 PM

^^ Nope, because the SM-KL tower-1, a condo, will be built above The Podium.

Only when tower-2 and tower-3 plus The Podium phase-2 is set to be built will they demolish Benguet Center.

---

That Christmas tree frame on the corner island is now fully covered with leaves, lights, and ornaments.

richard24

November 28th, 2007, 03:42 PM

^^ ah ok., :) thanks.

jdsalinger

November 28th, 2007, 06:44 PM

Very nice...though my reading skills are failing me.

bitoy

November 28th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Ganda ng graffiti nga diyan sa Manila... sa amin dito, EEEEKKKK!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1060/1486027992_c87203d2d4.jpg

it might mean something to those kids, but cleaning all of them is just too much of a labor cost. Bura...bura ...

pechie

December 1st, 2007, 05:15 PM

icarusrising

December 1st, 2007, 06:29 PM

how many cities does our country have?!...kapag sinabi nating city ang pumapasok sa utak ko maunlad pero bakit ung iba jan hindi umusad usad simply because of corruption...kakahiya talaga tayo napakaraming city pero walang kwenta daig pa natin ang America at Europe!

Miss, you should read the previous threads about the requirements for a city so that you will understand how a city is defined in the context of Philippine law. Each nation would have its own way of defining what a city is.

Yung termino na "walang kwenta"... nakaka-insulto yan sa iba. Maging maingat sa paggamit ng salita. At hindi laging corruption ang dahilan kung bakit hindi maunlad ang ilang mga lungsod.

technoblaze

December 3rd, 2007, 07:39 AM

Memorize them all :lol:

Cities of the Philippines (wikipedia)

Highly-urbanized Cities
Angeles City, Bacolod City, Baguio City, Butuan City, Cagayan de Oro City, Caloocan City, Cebu City, Davao City, General Santos City, Iligan City, Iloilo City, Lapu-Lapu City, Las Piñas City, Lucena City, Makati City, Malabon City, Mandaluyong City, Mandaue City, Manila City, Marikina City, Muntinlupa City, Navotas City, Olongapo City, Parañaque City, Pasay City, Pasig City, Puerto Princesa City, Quezon City, San Juan City, Taguig City
Valenzuela City, Zamboanga City

Independent Component Cities
Cotabato City, Dagupan City, Naga (Camarines Sur) City, Ormoc City, Santiago City

Component Cities
Alaminos City, Antipolo City, Bago City, Bais City, Balanga City, Batac City, Batangas City, Bayawan City, Baybay City, Bayugan City, Bislig City, Bogo City, Borongan City, Cabadbaran City, Cabanatuan City, Cadiz City
Calamba City, Calapan City, Calbayog City, Candon City, Canlaon City, Carcar City, Catbalogan City, Cauayan City, Cavite City, Danao City, Dapitan City, Digos City, Dipolog City, Dumaguete City, El Salvador City, Escalante City, Gapan City, Gingoog City, Guihulngan City, Himamaylan City, Iriga City, Isabela City, Kabankalan City, Kidapawan City, Koronadal City, La Carlota City, Laoag City, Lamitan City, Legazpi City, Ligao City, Lipa City, Maasin City, Malaybalay City, Malolos City, Marawi City, Masbate City, Mati City, Meycauayan City, Science City of Muñoz
Naga (Cebu) City, Oroquieta City, Ozamiz City, Pagadian City, Palayan City, Panabo City, Passi City, Roxas City, Sagay City, Samal City, San Carlos (Negros Occidental) City, San Carlos (Pangasinan) City, San Fernando (La Union) City, San Fernando (Pampanga) City, San Jose City, San Jose del Monte City, San Pablo City, Santa Rosa City, Silay City, Sipalay City, Sorsogon City, Surigao City, Tabaco City, Tabuk City, Tacloban City, Tacurong City, Tagaytay City, Tagbilaran City, Tagum City, Talisay (Cebu) City, Talisay (Negros Occidental) City, Tanauan City, Tandag City, Tangub City, Tayabas City, Tanjay City, Tarlac City, Toledo City, Trece Martires City, Tuguegarao City, Urdaneta City, Valencia City, Victorias City, Vigan City

habagatcentral1

December 3rd, 2007, 08:10 AM

^^ I'm quite questioning what "independent-component city" is? For all I know that Cotabato City is independent from Maguindanao or Shariff Kabunsungan.

GearX

December 3rd, 2007, 10:04 AM

^^ I'm quite questioning what "independent-component city" is? For all I know that Cotabato City is independent from Maguindanao or Shariff Kabunsungan.

I think it means Chartered City...:cheers:

eonynx

December 3rd, 2007, 10:32 AM

[dx]

December 3rd, 2007, 10:48 AM

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1597/6175182yl9.jpg
The CCP | Photo by Edison Sy (http://www.panoramio.com/user/481687)

habagatcentral1

December 3rd, 2007, 11:34 AM

Making Cities = bigger IRA for corruption or for projects of the citizens?

bobandzaimartin

December 3rd, 2007, 04:57 PM

Id say calling a town a city is about self asteem..In the rest of the world A city has to be a certain size..in phillipines anything that is bigger than a village they call a city...example(sorsogon city) In any other country it would be a town at best.It doesnt even have a mc donalds or a cinema..lovely place...but city? Only in name..SORSOGON CITY..Sounds grand ehh.Its like calling a cat a dog.

bariQ

December 4th, 2007, 02:03 AM

kiretoce

December 4th, 2007, 02:15 AM

^^ "To give it an air of elegance." :rofl:

Fraulein

December 4th, 2007, 02:19 AM

kiretoce

December 4th, 2007, 02:29 AM

Here are the TOP 20 BEST CITIES OR SO CALLED TRULY CITIES IN THE PHILIPPINES:

1. Quezon City
2. Manila
3. Makati City
4. Cebu City
5. Davao City
6. Zamboanga City
7. Pasig City
8. Iloilo City
9. Bacolod City
10. Baguio City
11. Naga City
12. Cagayan De Oro City
13. Angeles City
14. General Santos City
15. Olongapo City
16. Lucena City
17. Iligan City
18. Cotabato City
19. Dagupan City
20. Marikina City

^^ Hmm....how come Manila doesn't have the word "City" attached to it? :sly: :rofl:

(Only proves how redundant the practice is. Only add the word City to a place name if the same name also exists as another entity, to differentiate them.)

bariQ

December 4th, 2007, 02:31 AM

hmm.. if that is true.. id like to visit some of those cities :D

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 02:36 AM

@ frauilein, i would edit that list if i were you lol..it might start some debates here..though..

i agree with your 4th and 5th though..:D but the top three? hmmm pwedeng pwedeng i jumble yan..

and the 6-20 are kinda messed up,

unless its your personal opinion (which you were able to come up with kasi napuntahan mo lahat ng cities na yan) then i respect that (after all opinion naman yan)

but man! sobrang messed up nga..and why is pasig below cebu and davao? and why are the cities from 1-19 better than marikina?

bariQ

December 4th, 2007, 02:37 AM

^^ parang d naman yun on order

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 02:39 AM

ahh..

pero yan mga list na yan ang dapat iniiwasan natin sa SSC kasi potential talaga na magkagulo :lol:

kiretoce

December 4th, 2007, 02:48 AM

^^ That is correct! :okay:

Fraulein

December 4th, 2007, 03:01 AM

To All,

Deserving cities ang mga yan. I guess yung ibang cities na gusto niyo nasa 11 - 20 or mas angat sa hindi niyo expected. Pero this list is final.

Congratulations to Quzon City, Manila, Makati, Cebu and Davao to be on the Top 5 or so called the Big 5.:banana:

Sinjin P.

December 4th, 2007, 03:04 AM

:nono: No city vs city please!

By posting your "so-called" top 5 list, you are inviting a potential city vs city bashfest. :puke:

kiretoce

December 4th, 2007, 03:05 AM

@Fraulein: Please cite/link your source. That will at least lessen hotilities between the cities' citizenry and may potentially avoid CvC situations here in this thread.

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 03:06 AM

or if personal opinion lang yan, pls state naman na personal opinion mo lang po..i find it hard to fathom paano nasa baba ang CDO and Marikina :ohno:

Fraulein

December 4th, 2007, 03:32 AM

Di ba ang topic dito ay "Why are there so many "Cities" in the Philippines?" Kasi sa mga cities natin sa Pilipinas, itong 20- na nasa list ay talagang city. Yung nasa Top 5, masasabi mong malalaking cities in terms of everything - from economy, education, population and the like.

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 03:40 AM

actually some of the cities sa top 20 dont even look like cities IMO..but i wouldnt name them :P haha

pero you missed out other MM cities like Muntinlupa, mandaluyong etc

Fraulein

December 4th, 2007, 03:46 AM

;16882381']actually some of the cities sa top 20 dont even look like cities IMO..but i wouldnt name them :P haha

pero you missed out other MM cities like Muntinlupa, mandaluyong etc

Hindi naman kasi lahat ng MM cities pasok sa top 20. Actually those cities you mentioned (manda and munti) were from 21 - 40.

I think you are referring to these cities na kala mo hindi mukhang cities pero napasama sa Top 20:

Naga
Dagupan
Iligan
Cotabato
Lucena

But lol, these are great cities rich in economy, culture and people. Try to visit them or see their websites and check out their stats. Mapapamangha ka. :)

kiretoce

December 4th, 2007, 03:50 AM

^^ But the fact still remains, you haven't explicitly cited that that list you posted was of your own opinion, or that it was gleaned from an outside credible source. We're just trying to be transparent and thorough here, we don't want any upheavals and uproars from others that may not share your same sentiments.

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 03:51 AM

^^ wala akong imemention na city hehe but some of those cities you mentioned deserve respect

cotabato was once the premiere city of mindanao, naga and lucena are great cities too :)

bobandzaimartin

December 4th, 2007, 05:10 AM

well i think il call my back yard a city

icarusrising

December 4th, 2007, 05:34 AM

well i think il call my back yard a city

Sure, why not?!

As long as your backyard is in the Philippines and it has been generating 100,000,000 Php for the the last 2 consecutive years. Plus you have a population of 150,000 as certified by the National Statistics Office and/or have contiguous territory of at least one hundred (100) square kilometers, as certified by the Lands Management Bureau.

BOB-bXu

December 4th, 2007, 05:55 AM

I suppose the moderators are doing their job to thresh out from this thread any out of the bowel unofficial lists...

WawaY[625]

December 4th, 2007, 06:02 AM

^^ lol

flymordecai

December 4th, 2007, 06:06 AM

I love the CCP! Didn't it just go through a restoration? Why is the marble/cladding at the top of the building still stained? And what's that on the front slab? Temporary decorations?

icarusrising

December 4th, 2007, 06:11 AM

I love the CCP! Didn't it just go through a restoration? Why is the marble/cladding at the top of the building still stained? And what's that on the front slab? Temporary decorations?

Christmas lanterns.

crispypata

December 4th, 2007, 06:57 AM

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1597/6175182yl9.jpg
The CCP | Photo by Edison Sy (http://www.panoramio.com/user/481687)

Ang ganda talaga.. walang panama ang Esplanade by the Bay sa Singapore!! :bash:

Pero from afar parang nakakadiri yung mga parol.. parang pantal pantal.. ...

Night shot naman..

kalbongdad

December 4th, 2007, 07:23 AM

The San Miguel Headquarters in Ortigas shaped as an inverted pyramid as a means of mitigating the effects of the tropical sun...

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/31155/2819789010101994864S600x600Q85.jpg

Photo from Flickr by jovijovijovi

pls note....its not an inverted pyramid.....the national manpower and youth council NMYC yun ang inverted pyramid....

thomasian

December 4th, 2007, 07:28 AM

^^ Saka yung TESDA bldg na kita sa SLEX, diba inverted pyramid din yun?

le Reine

December 4th, 2007, 07:37 AM

Ang ganda talaga.. walang panama ang Esplanade by the Bay sa Singapore!! :bash:

Pero from afar parang nakakadiri yung mga parol.. parang pantal pantal.. ...

Night shot naman..

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1597/6175182yl9.jpg
The CCP | Photo by Edison Sy (http://www.panoramio.com/user/481687)

I love the CCP! Didn't it just go through a restoration? Why is the marble/cladding at the top of the building still stained? And what's that on the front slab? Temporary decorations?
Ang ganda talaga ng CCP. Maganda rin naman yung Folk Arts and yung Film Center.

^^ Saka yung TESDA bldg na kita sa SLEX, diba inverted pyramid din yun?
Isa pa sa mga unique buildings din yun. Parang diamond sa singsing.

SUV111

December 4th, 2007, 09:30 AM

;16881543']ahh..

pero yan mga list na yan ang dapat iniiwasan natin sa SSC kasi potential talaga na magkagulo :lol:

wow!!!! hahahaha!!!! waway...:) tama ka nga...its better if were not going to post lists here about TOP cities coz others may find it offensive if they wont be able to see the name of their city on the list. :)

LhexiMont

December 4th, 2007, 09:43 AM

^^ Saka yung TESDA bldg na kita sa SLEX, diba inverted pyramid din yun?

Yung TESDA building sa SLEX ay formerly NMYC building so it's only one and the same ..its inverted pyramid in shape indeed.

icarusrising

December 4th, 2007, 10:43 AM

pls note....its not an inverted pyramid.....the national manpower and youth council NMYC yun ang inverted pyramid....

May tama ka! :okay:

habagatcentral1

December 4th, 2007, 03:25 PM

What's the criteria for ranking the cities by the way as Fraulein mentioned? Even AIM has some scientific method in assessing and ranking the competitiveness of a city/cities.

Is it an opinion or a fact? These rankings are being avoided since it has a potential of CvC bashings.

BOB-bXu

December 4th, 2007, 04:37 PM

bariQ

December 4th, 2007, 10:25 PM

kung no. of skyscrapers
lahat nasa taas metro manila lang... we need to share the bounty talaga :D

Sinjin P.

December 5th, 2007, 03:03 AM

^ I think not all Metro Manila cities have skyscrapers (Navotas, Malabon, Valenzuela, Caloocan, Pateros, etc.)

WawaY[625]

December 5th, 2007, 03:05 AM

kung no. of skyscrapers
lahat nasa taas metro manila lang... we need to share the bounty talaga :D

except that skyscrapers alone do not "make" a city

its the livability (as an urban center) that counts

bariQ

December 5th, 2007, 04:02 AM

^^ waaah! ang ganda naman ng town na merong skyscraper :D best of both worlds

BOB-bXu

December 5th, 2007, 05:06 AM

thats actually that trend now bariQ...outside the Pinas, new urbanism means accessibility to both urban and rural charms..

there are now agropolises rising in europe and australia...even Malaysia has adopted culture, ethnic tradition and administrative function in a garden setting in its well planned Putra Jaya..

junax

December 5th, 2007, 05:09 AM

^^ yup i like that... in china there's a huge mall at the center of a rice field. can we top that?

tigidig14

December 5th, 2007, 07:51 AM

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1597/6175182yl9.jpg
The CCP | Photo by Edison Sy (http://www.panoramio.com/user/481687)

ano yung nasa tuktuk nito
ano to nagigibak na

icarusrising

December 5th, 2007, 10:14 AM

ano yung nasa tuktuk nito
ano to nagigibak na

Kulit mo Tigs, ha? Sabi na ngang mga parol iyan. Mas ma-appreciate mo iyan kapag gabi.

tigidig14

December 5th, 2007, 07:07 PM

ganon ba, pictsuran mo nga para maappreciate ko hehe

crispypata

December 6th, 2007, 02:16 AM

Ring around Lim
Cocktales
December 5, 2007

MANILA Mayor Alfredo Lim’s order to transfer zoning and infrastructure supervision over the trading hub of Binondo and devolve power and pelf to a non-profit organization has led into a dead end right in his own City Hall.

According to the grapevine, an amended executive order that Lim ordered two months ago prepared for his signature is being blocked by the very same faction in City Hall who would lose their seats in the devolution.

Lim wants to remove all five City Hall seats out of the nine-member board in the Manila Chinatown Development Authority, a non-profit organization that has become Binondo’s version of the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority.

The MCDA, as inherited by Lim from Joselito Atienza, is headed by the incumbent mayor, with the rest of board divided by four City Hall officials and four private sector representatives.

Lim, however, would rather let the Binondo rehabilitation be supervised and funded entirely by the Chinoy community and thus met with Dean Ernest Maceda Jr. of the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, who is Lim’s nominee for MCDA legal adviser, to pave the way for the transfer.

According to the grapevine, Lim’s chairman-appointee to the MCDA, publisher Dante Ang, was also present in the October 12 Diamond Hotel breakfast meeting.

As crafted, the new executive order would still permit the appointment of any City Hall official to the MCDA, but only in advisory capacity and without any compensation.

According to the grapevine, Ang, a former publicist of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, has already secured the consent of taipan George Ty, mall heiress Teresita Sy-Coson, stock broker Vivian Yuchengco, taipan Lucio Tan (who instead wants one of his sons to be appointed), and one George Ang to serve in the MCDA board.

Between now and 2010, MCDA plans to dredge esteros lacing Chinatown and improve the estero-bank walkways to make Binondo pedestrian-friendly.

The urban renewal project, according to the grapevine, would easily cost a billion pesos, to be funded by the Chinoy community.

bariQ

December 6th, 2007, 04:15 AM

icarusrising

December 6th, 2007, 05:27 AM

ganon ba, pictsuran mo nga para maappreciate ko hehe

Punta ka na lang dito para mas ma-appreciate mo. :lol:

icarusrising

December 6th, 2007, 06:02 AM

^^ waaah! ang ganda naman ng town na merong skyscraper :D best of both worlds

For me, it doesn't even have to have a high rise. I like cities with a campus-like setting... lots of open spaces for recreation and low-rise or medium rise structures that offer urban conveniences.

Wasn't there a study that showed workers feel less stressed when working at a low-rise setting?

dinabaw

December 6th, 2007, 06:18 AM

^^ i totally agree seeing those imposing hi-rises in Ayala feel stressful and of course working in it literally stressful ..LOL

GearX

December 6th, 2007, 11:35 AM

most cities (the new ones) became cities because of an act of congress....

le Reine

December 6th, 2007, 12:54 PM

If they make binondo a heritage area,I'll be happy about it.God,if they only know how much binondo played in our history,the powers that be might take a second look.But I guess the word history and heritage are words alien to the powers that be.http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4308/calledelrosario19thcentxq2.jpghttp://

^ Can you stfu and go to the rehab?
I think IndioBravo is right.

Ring around Lim
Cocktales
December 5, 2007

MANILA Mayor Alfredo Lim’s order to transfer zoning and infrastructure supervision over the trading hub of Binondo and devolve power and pelf to a non-profit organization has led into a dead end right in his own City Hall.

According to the grapevine, an amended executive order that Lim ordered two months ago prepared for his signature is being blocked by the very same faction in City Hall who would lose their seats in the devolution.

Lim wants to remove all five City Hall seats out of the nine-member board in the Manila Chinatown Development Authority, a non-profit organization that has become Binondo’s version of the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority.

The MCDA, as inherited by Lim from Joselito Atienza, is headed by the incumbent mayor, with the rest of board divided by four City Hall officials and four private sector representatives.

Lim, however, would rather let the Binondo rehabilitation be supervised and funded entirely by the Chinoy community and thus met with Dean Ernest Maceda Jr. of the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, who is Lim’s nominee for MCDA legal adviser, to pave the way for the transfer.

According to the grapevine, Lim’s chairman-appointee to the MCDA, publisher Dante Ang, was also present in the October 12 Diamond Hotel breakfast meeting.

As crafted, the new executive order would still permit the appointment of any City Hall official to the MCDA, but only in advisory capacity and without any compensation.

According to the grapevine, Ang, a former publicist of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, has already secured the consent of taipan George Ty, mall heiress Teresita Sy-Coson, stock broker Vivian Yuchengco, taipan Lucio Tan (who instead wants one of his sons to be appointed), and one George Ang to serve in the MCDA board.

Between now and 2010, MCDA plans to dredge esteros lacing Chinatown and improve the estero-bank walkways to make Binondo pedestrian-friendly.

The urban renewal project, according to the grapevine, would easily cost a billion pesos, to be funded by the Chinoy community.
Just do it. ASAP

Sinjin P.

December 6th, 2007, 01:05 PM

I think IndioBravo is right.

My message was meant for CarloPlyr (you know, that retard who keeps on posting crazy questions). I think he has been put to "mute" so all his posts got deleted.

leechtat

December 6th, 2007, 02:43 PM

^^ In terms of money being circulated, it is always debatable which area has the most transaction amount. But if you think about the number of people doing daily business transactions ~ 7/24(yes, all day all night), Binondo area would easily beat those modern commercial districts around metro Manila.

i guess binondo will never reclaim its title as metro manila's cbd. cbd of manila perhaps.

but have faith in manila, ayala land and megaworld will be investing loads in manila this coming years. take ayala land for example, they have invested in the former san lazaro hippodrome to create celadon manila and it was coined to spur new developments in its vicinity, and actually it is becoming as expected. (even if its 2km from binondo, this new development will appreciate the land value in binondo, hence increase business value there)

also with the rehabilitation of PNR, the manila area will see a boom in tourism, hence more business..

and i super agree that transactions in the binondo area, if properly audited and monitored, may surpass even that of ortigas.. but if not, the liquidity of binondo businessmen may surpass those who have businesses elsewhere (same market) such as baclaran. napakadami ng cash ng mga tao sa binondo.. kaya ang daming snatcher.. hehe.. joke... (being robbed is a state of mind)

Tor

December 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM

animasola

December 6th, 2007, 05:04 PM

^^Ooohh.. lakas ng hangin. :cheers:

le Reine

December 6th, 2007, 05:39 PM

^^let's stop this please. Let's all go back to topic. If we have problems with any member of this forum this http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/buttons/report.gif would be of great help. Or we could bring the debates in PM. Thanks! :cheers:

kiretoce

December 6th, 2007, 05:40 PM

^^ :applause: Mod-in-training! :okay:

eonynx

December 6th, 2007, 05:46 PM

Why are there so many "Cities" in the Philippines?

Because the Philippines has got over 85 million people crunching in a relatively small area of approximately 300k square kilometers. That's actually a no-brainer.

but i think this 85 million people are not evenly distributed throughout the islands. there are some thinly populated areas that are cities- justifiably or not.

animasola

December 6th, 2007, 06:41 PM

^^To add to that, Vietnam also has a population of 85 million yet they only have 40+ cities compared to our 130+.

Fraulein

December 6th, 2007, 09:13 PM

Tama ka dyan!

the 20 list are the deserving ones to be called city. I believe na yung mga criteria na yun ay pasok sa kanila.

Marami pa kasing Chartered, highly urbanized, urbanized at kung anu-ano pa. Kaya dapat yung pili lang na city.^^

WawaY[625]

December 7th, 2007, 03:07 AM

^^ pero ano ang criteria mo sa pag rank?

bariQ

December 7th, 2007, 03:47 AM

okey nanaman ang population at income

WawaY[625]

December 7th, 2007, 03:55 AM

what about

crime rate?
traffic?
pollution?
opportunities?
fun factor?
cost of living?

those that affect not the statisticians but the people living in those cities..IMO thats equally, if not more important

jrevalde

December 7th, 2007, 04:50 AM

^^itong si waway talaga may fun factor pa:lol: paano ba yan kinekwenta

WawaY[625]

December 7th, 2007, 05:18 AM

leisure / lifestyle centers such as malls, restos, spas, resorts etc :)

tapos idagdag mo pa ang local governance,

are the residents needs (like public healthcare, housing and education) being taken care of?

kasi aanhin mo ang glitz and glamour ng isang city kung ito ay para sa mangilang ngilang residente lamang? so at least yung mga mahihirap kahit well taken care of man lang ang needs nila

GearX

December 7th, 2007, 05:28 AM

cities should not be ranked as a whole....they should be ranked per criteria as follows:

TOP TEN CITIES WITH LOWEST CRIME RATE
TOP TEN CITIES WITH HIGHEST INCOME
TOP TEN CITIES WITH LARGEST POPULATION
TOP TEN CITIES WITH HIGHEST GROWTH RATE
TOP TEN CITIES WITH ....etc...

The criteria should be common in all cities. If you want to assign points on each criteria in order to come up with an overall ranking, the point system should have a basis.

:cheers:

dinabaw

December 7th, 2007, 05:40 AM

maybe we based it in the "world" level how they select TOP cities ;)

Methodology:
Data was largely collected between September and November 2006 and is regularly updated to take account of changing circumstances. In particular, the assessments will be revised in the case of any new developments. The Mercer database contains more than 350 cities, however only 215 cities have been considered for the quality of living 2007 ranking in order to compare from one year to the next.

Mercer’s study is based on detailed assessments and evaluations of 39 key quality of living determinants, grouped in the following categories:
• Political and social environment (political stability, crime, law enforcement, etc)
• Economic environment (currency exchange regulations, banking services, etc)
• Socio-cultural environment (censorship, limitations on personal freedom, etc)
• Health and sanitation (medical supplies and services, infectious diseases, sewage, waste disposal, air pollution, etc)
• Schools and education (standard and availability of international schools, etc)
• Public services and transportation (electricity, water, public transport, traffic congestion, etc)
• Recreation (restaurants, theatres, cinemas, sports and leisure, etc)
• Consumer goods (availability of food/daily consumption items, cars, etc)
• Housing (housing, household appliances, furniture, maintenance services, etc)
• Natural environment (climate, record of natural disasters)

http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html

dinabaw

December 7th, 2007, 05:46 AM

WawaY[625]

December 7th, 2007, 05:56 AM

GearX

December 7th, 2007, 06:14 AM

why would their be seperate ranking? kaya ang cities sa Pinas ang daming titles biggest , best etc. ..LOL

because we don't have a standard ranking system for Philippine cities yet...maybe you could offer one.

:cheers:

bariQ

December 7th, 2007, 06:15 AM

meron oi...

yun nga population at income.... kaya nga may highly urbanized hanggang 267th class city :lol:

Sinjin P.

December 7th, 2007, 06:27 AM

Hay naku, bulok na ang mga standards natin, kahit nga ang ating mga 1st class city ay walang binatbat sa mga ordinaryong cities abroad. Pupulutin lang tayo sa kangkungan

Fraulein

December 7th, 2007, 07:33 AM

Hay naku, bulok na ang mga standards natin, kahit nga ang ating mga 1st class city ay walang binatbat sa mga ordinaryong cities abroad. Pupulutin lang tayo sa kangkungan

Ohh, don't say that. Believe it or not, our fellow asians (Indonesians, singaporeans, Thais, and even Japanese) like our cities especially the Top / Big 5 (QC, Manila, Makati, Cebu and Davao) because of their adapting Eastern and Western culture.

I know that Carlos Celdran even said that Manila is a mysterious place wherein you never expect that this city has lot to offer. I have a friend from Indonesia and Japan who were surprised that Manila, Cebu and Davao are better than other cities they went (Indonesia, South America and even Japan). They are first class pero tignan mo, they have many places to offer.

Kay wag nating maliitin ang cities sa Pinas. You have to be proud because they recognize it by our counterpart. But sorry for the locals who were so pessimist on our own. :ohno:

WawaY[625]

December 7th, 2007, 07:40 AM

^^ kahit naman yung smaller cities nice din..

kahit contrabido tingin sa akin ng mga tga dumaguete thread (lol) i found their town very charming :)

dinabaw

December 7th, 2007, 08:52 AM

because we don't have a standard ranking system for Philippine cities yet...maybe you could offer one.

:cheers:

AIM did have a standard ranking system for our cities and another foreign base company , problem some don't believe what they surveyed hmm crab mentality i guess :ohno:

jrevalde

December 7th, 2007, 09:08 AM

^^you mean to refer to the uproar it caused in cebu city?

dinabaw

December 7th, 2007, 09:41 AM

^^ i am not naming any city but even here in SSC their was an "uproar" on this surveys :)

BOB-bXu

December 7th, 2007, 11:42 AM

I think the most reliable basis as to rank cities (with corresponding categories e.g. Metro Cities, Large, Medium and Small) is the PCCRP-Asian Institute of Management in partnership with Konrad Adenauer Foundation Annual Report..

this report provides updated cross sectional studies like accessibility, peace and order, dynamism of local economy, responsiveness of LGU, environment quality, health and sanitation, education and access to information etc. etc..

these parameters are all taken into account by ths annual study

For now, I believe this is the most authoritative ranking we should currently use as realistic up to date basis...and not on mere opinionated, numeric less, and baseless out of the ilyodoro assumptions....

kevinb

December 8th, 2007, 10:30 AM

hey. that photo is nice. but no. that's makati's crown.

big size
http://www.greatmirror.com/images/big/014376.jpg

The place looks so historical. I love it!

Isa yan sa dahilan kung bakit hindi na ganun ka-importante ang Binondo kung ikumpara mo sa Makati.

Safety? Makati is safe, in fact one of the safest places in Metro Manila. You can walk around the CBD without worrying about your personal safety. It is the same with other CBDs such as Ortigas.

I agree. I love walking along Makati and Ortigas streets 'coz I feel so safe even when I'm out of the house.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2287/1902132247_e0ca14da7e_b.jpg
Modern Binondo photo by winwinpix - Flickr (http://flickr.com/photos/winwinpix/)

I simply love the Post Office bldg. :)

jbkayaker12

December 8th, 2007, 01:08 PM

^ Can you stfu and go to the rehab?

..:ohno:......and you're supposed to be a moderator?!?!?!?!?

tigidig14

December 9th, 2007, 05:41 AM

no, because of tondo
correct me if im wrong is some part of binondo, tondo?
i know binondo is by aranque and aranque is nearby tondo

SamwiseGamgee

December 24th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Yeah, there are many, but only a few are chosen... ;)

"Cognizant of the ever increasing importance of some cities as the main economic drivers for certain regions, AGB Nielsen Media Research (http://www.agbnielsen.net/whereweare/dynPage.asp?lang=english&id=240&country=Philippines) also reports on three (3) metropolitan cities dubbed as the Metro City TAM (MCTAM). In addition to Metro Manila, TV viewing in Cebu City, Iloilo City and Davao City are included in the MCTAM."

WawaY[625]

December 24th, 2007, 01:43 PM

kung ako lang ito lang ang dapat tawaging cities

Luzon (incomplete list since hanggang manila and pampanga/tarlac and tagaytay lang ako)

1. Metro Manila cities
2. Baguio

Visayas

1. Metro Cebu cities
2. Iloilo
3. Bacolod

Mindanao

1. Davao
2. C de O
3. Zamboanga

SamwiseGamgee

December 24th, 2007, 01:58 PM

;17299229']kung ako lang ito lang ang dapat tawaging cities

Luzon (incomplete list since hanggang manila and pampanga/tarlac and tagaytay lang ako)

1. Metro Manila cities
2. Baguio

Visayas

1. Metro Cebu cities
2. Iloilo
3. Bacolod

Mindanao

1. Davao
2. C de O
3. Zamboanga

Kung ako lang din, eh eto lang (If it was also up to me, only these are qualified) ;):

1. Manila
2. Quezon City
3. Pasay
4. Caloocan
5. Makati
6. Baguio
7. Naga

8. Cebu City
9. Iloilo City
10. Bacolod
11. Tacloban

12. Davao City
13. Zamboanga City
14. Cagayan de Oro
15. Gen Santos

If you look at world maps, these are the only Philippine cities depicted (more often than not), except of course for QC, Pasay, Caloocan and Makati.

Merry Christmas (http://simpliving.blogspot.com/2007/12/ofw-christmas-away-from-home.html)!

le Reine

December 24th, 2007, 05:15 PM

^^I would add Paranaque, Pasig, Marikina, Las Pinas, Legazpi, Angeles, Olongapo, Antipolo, Muntinlupa and the cities in Calabarzon

habagatcentral1

December 24th, 2007, 09:57 PM

SamwiseGamgee

December 25th, 2007, 07:41 AM

Iloilo City:

Spanish era - port of entry, sugar industry hub, the Queen's Most Loyal and Noble City in Las Islas Filipinas

Commonwealth era - second most important population center of the country in terms of development, Queen City of the South

Pre-millenium era - just another big city outside Manila

Post-millenium era - just another big city outside Manila, but fast catching up :D, the next big thing (http://simpliving.blogspot.com/2007/11/iloilo-next-big-thing.html)

SamwiseGamgee

December 25th, 2007, 07:54 AM

^^I would add Paranaque, Pasig, Marikina, Las Pinas, Legazpi, Angeles, Olongapo, Antipolo, Muntinlupa and the cities in Calabarzon

Legaspi, yes; just for her sheer beauty.

Angeles also, for her strategic location in the middle of Luzon.

Pasig, yes; for sentimental reasons :)

The others, just big towns with big populations, IMO.

LordCarnal

December 25th, 2007, 04:20 PM

Here's what I learned from Bruce Fenner's "Social and Economic History of Cebu"

Prior to the arrival of the Spaniards, the port of Cebu ("Port of Cebu refers to Cebu City or the settlement itself) was already a thriving entrepot. People from nearby islands would bring their products to the port to be shipped to other locations in Southeast Asia. The island was "agriculturally poor" and trading was one of the factors that kept its economy running. Proof of a flourishing pre-Spanish trade at the port were the various artifacts unearthed near the port.

When the Spaniards arrived, trading was further developed. The Spaniards eventually transferred the capital to Manila. The authorities enacted a policy that limited trade to the port of Manila alone. Such a policy led to a decline in the port of Cebu that at its worst time, only less than 3 Spaniards lived in the city. The people particularly the natives lost interest in trading and went back to farming. The frenchman Le Gentil described Cebu as nothing but an assembly of straw shacks. At this worst time however, the Chinese filled in the gap with their enterprising skills.

When the Spaniards reversed its policy and opened other ports outside of Manila to trade, the port of Cebu started to gain prominence again. Much of the port's economy was dominated by Chinese businessmen. The Chinese who were mainly concentrated in Pari-an (Cebu's Chinatown) grew in terms of influence that at one time the Friars threatened to abolish the Parish of St. John the Baptist, which was located just a few blocks aways from the cathedral.

Eventually, the parish of the "Tsinoys" was abolished and the stone church (whose interiors were described as the most magnificent in Cebu due to its rich patrons) was demolished and brought down stone by stone. The Chinese thus were compelled to attend mass at the nearby cathedral.

... to be continued (nothing is coming out of my precious mind now)

..

LordCarnal

December 25th, 2007, 04:28 PM

We have so many cities simply because we have our own criteria for a city.

And for me, this ain't no big deal.

..

le Reine

December 25th, 2007, 05:56 PM

^^actually. why bother labeling them. as long as they have achieved the requirement, everything is ok.

LordCarnal

December 25th, 2007, 06:28 PM

^^

Exactly..

dinabaw

December 26th, 2007, 02:38 AM

Legaspi, yes; just for her sheer beauty.

Angeles also, for her strategic location in the middle of Luzon.

Pasig, yes; for sentimental reasons :)

The others, just big towns with big populations, IMO.

i don't agree Legaspi "qualified" as a city bec of it's beauty or Pasig for sentimental reason even if they are towns both are beatuiful and sentimental . i hope Pisa in Italy will never become a city :)

kiretoce

December 26th, 2007, 03:33 AM

^^ Actually Pisa is indeed a city. It just doesn't have the word "City" after it. :colgate:

le Reine

December 26th, 2007, 03:42 AM

^^that was funny. :lol: clearly sums up our penchant for labeling cities by putting the word city before or after its name. :lol:

kiretoce

December 26th, 2007, 05:44 AM

Peng Hok

December 26th, 2007, 06:09 AM

^^
Hahahaha!

Just like how it is in the legal profession. If you passed the bar exams, there is no more need to attach the acronym LLB to your appellation, to read: Atty. XXX, LLB. Hehehehe. Putting LLB could work both ways though. For one, it will tell people that you have earned a Bachelor of Laws degree. On the other hand, it might give people an inkling that you did not pass the bar exams, for why on earth would you content yourself with just putting LLB when you can use the title Atty. Hehehe.

Off-topic! Nabasa ko kasi ang previous post ni Sir Kiretoce. Hehehe.

le Reine

December 26th, 2007, 08:38 AM

^^ Reminds me of that one Pinoy physician here that vehemently wanted to put "Dr." in front of his name and at the same time "MD" behind it on his business card. And I patiently explained to him that's either one or the other, not both. Guess titles are all that matters in our country, the more of it, the more important it seems.In a semi-feudal like ours, that is of utmost importance. That's why people here love to put the word city in their hometowns because they don't want people to think they live on the boondocks. They want people to think that they are civilized and urban. :lol:

habagatcentral1

December 27th, 2007, 12:40 AM

Just came from Baguio. I love the exhibit at the 2nd level basement lobby of SM Baguio. Baguio: Then and Now. There is a comparison between the old Baguio and the new Baguio. A lot of things did changed, especially the European half-timber, half-stone house types. Most of them are now gone.

Louman

December 27th, 2007, 01:02 AM

Migration is what fuels a city's increase (or decrease) in population. Also, there's this thing called Eminent Domain, I don't know if this applies to the Philippines.

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Eminent Domain (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Eminent_domain) (U.S.), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia) or expropriation (Canada, South Africa) in common law legal systems is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate private property, or rights in private property, without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to "public use." The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are public utilities, highways, and railroads. Some states require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.

The term expropriation as used in the law of eminent domain is not to be confused with situations in which private property is seized by revolutionary governments from its former owners and confiscated without payment. It should also be differentiated from forfeiture which is an uncompensated seizure of contraband from criminals and its confiscation by the government.

The term condemnation is used to describe the act of a government exercising its power of eminent domain to transfer title to private property from its rightful owner to itself. It is not to be confused with the same term that describes a declaration that real property, generally a building, has become so dilapidated as to be legally unfit for human habitation due to its physical defects. This type of condemnation of buildings (on grounds of health and safety hazards or gross zoning violation) usually does not deprive the owners of the title to the property condemned but requires them to rectify the offending situation or have the government do it for them and bill them for the cost.

Condemnation via eminent domain indicates the government is taking the property or an interest in it, such as an easement. In most cases the only thing that remains to be decided when a condemnation action is filed is the amount of just compensation, although in some cases the right to take may be challenged by the property owner on the grounds that the attempted taking is not for a public use, or has not been authorized by the legislature, or because the condemnor has not followed the proper procedure required by law.

The exercise of eminent domain is not limited to real property. Governments may also condemn personal property, such as supplies for the military in wartime, franchises, as well as intangible property such as contracts, patents, trade secrets and copyrights.

In short, if the government is planning to expand a highway or road widening, or wants to rezone a residential district into commercial or industrial, your property may be bought out and demolished for the good of the city. If anyone here lives on a major street, prepare to see this coming. I smell something like this happening in Cebu as it prepares to make its transition into a major metropolitan city.

Colonel Burger

December 27th, 2007, 07:15 AM

Eminent Domain is one of the inherent rights of a sovereign state. all sovereign countries can exercise Eminent Domain

WawaY[625]

December 27th, 2007, 07:29 AM

^^ lol yeah eminent domain, how could i have forgotten that

*/ blames constitution teacher for allowing me to sleep in class lolz

Il Tenore

December 27th, 2007, 08:59 AM

we must not have a 3rd to 5th class city.
instead, we must only have a 2nd to 1st class city...
there are other cities that looks like you're in a province..

the criteria must be changed....

boy muscovado

December 28th, 2007, 03:22 AM

1770's - San Sebastian de Magsungay
1800's - Bakolod (meaning "hills")....later changed to Bacolod by the Spanish
1890's - Bacolod - the capital of the sugar province...little sister of Iloilo City where refined sugar is brought for shipping....Bacolod doesn't have good ports then
1898 - 1901 - Bacolod - capital of the "Cantonal Republic of Negros"
1938 - the booming city of the south
1950's-1970's - lifestyle and luxury city of the south
1980's - Bacolod - seat of economic recession and poverty uprising :ohno:
1990's - Bacolod - City of Smiles
1997 - Cleanest and Greenest Highly Urbanized City of the Philippines (repeated in 1998, 2000, 2001 and 2002)
2000 - the Sports and Convention City of the South
2008 - BOOM-BACOLOD!!!!:lol:

GearX

December 29th, 2007, 01:53 AM

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/another%202/cebu1880.gif

pau_p1

December 30th, 2007, 07:15 AM

yeah I don't think there should be a buzz with having different classes of cities in our country.... it's just our government's way on determining the size of the slice a city should get from our coffer's pie...

I think other countries also has their own classification for their cities... in the US I think that all of their municipalities are cities no matter what size it is... I may be mistaken though....

bariQ

December 30th, 2007, 07:17 AM

may classes rin ba ang municipalities?

habagatcentral1

December 30th, 2007, 07:26 AM

^^ Yes.

bariQ

December 30th, 2007, 07:29 AM

maybe they should just increase the class of municipalites :D

eonynx

December 30th, 2007, 07:34 AM

^^or maybe modify the criteria! we hjave many cities in our country with an economic structure characterized by pronounced feudalism/landlordism and a monocrop agricultural economy. basing it mainly on income and population is misleading.

Il Tenore

December 30th, 2007, 10:06 AM

agree!! having several cities sucks!

imagine, a city that looks like you're in a quiet place with no dense skyline, good roads, and so on....

a city must be bustling and lively!

Modify or change the criteria please....

PINOYmeat

December 30th, 2007, 11:00 AM

1860 - the Spanish government issued a decree opening the port of Cebu to direct foreign trade

1863 - foreign vessels began to appear in Cebu to take on cargoes of sugar and hemp for direct shipment to ports outside the Philippines

1866 - in response to the new economic opportunities, four major foreign business houses had established agencies in Cebu. Cebu became “an emporium for Visayan products” and the third most important port in the archipelago

Among the important changes brought about by the opening of Cebu’s port was the influx of the Chinese, who came to play an increasingly dominant role in the urban economy

At the end of the 19th Century, Cebu became an autonomous entrepot dealing directly with the centers of a global economy.

Cebu emerged as the archipelago’s second city in the early decades of the
20th Century. It did so as an autonomous cultural center, and the emergence of the Cebu elite and the economic development of the region were inextricably bound with the city.

HERE (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2002/11/13/bus/osme.a.origins.of.cebu.s.economic.miracle.html)

PINOYmeat

December 30th, 2007, 12:30 PM

since the column abruptly ended on the early 20th century. here are some milestones for cebu's expansion based on my personal knowledge.

1900's - with the rest of the country adapting to the american culture, and the concept of a "beautiful american city" the uptown was developed, jones avenue was paved, with the provincial capitol at its end as the masterpiece, government buildings were constructed in and around this area, a public library, a government hospital, a protestant church. and a rotunda in the middle now immortalized in the 50 peso bill. nobody expected that a development far from the central core that is downtown would now become one of the busiest part of the city we now know as the fuente area.

1960's to 70's - the osmeñas, a political family, a marcos threat, was exiled, a masterplan for the cebu port center was shelved by marcos (north reclamation area) and cebu was left to suffer by her own with minimal national government support, most of the development in the country was focused on mega manila. cebu was left by marcos to his cronies who then developed cebu plaza. by 1979, in what seems to be a little consolation for cebu, the first bridge for mactan island was developed. along with the development of the mactan economic zone and an airport.

pre aquino 80's - cebu became a large opposition country, the anti-marcos populace was overwhelming. and the osmeña's are signalling a comeback.

1986 to 1987 - with the fall of the dictatorship comes the start of an economic miracle called ceboom. cebu's economic dominance in the south grew larger and intensified her reputation as the queen city of the south. american and japanese investors trooped to cebu. cebu's tourism industry was in an upswing.

1987 to 1990 - coup attempts and several civilian conflicts against the aquino administration gave the country a bad reputation abroad. cebu's tourism suffered a setback but they never let the situation damage what they have worked so hard for. the tagline "AN ISLAND IN THE PACIFIC" as a marketing strategy for cebu was conceptualized. dissociating itself from the largely negative impression by foreigners and investors with the word philippines. some of the first high-rises in cebu started sporuting up, changing cebu's skyline forever

1990's - the ISLAND IN THE PACIFIC tagline became so succesful that a some tourists would believe cebu is a different country from the philippines. this tagline as a marketing tool for cebu continued and with the proliferation of kidnapping incidents and the looming power crisis during ramos' time making most headlines for the philippines abroad... the idea of dropping the tagline is not even considered. cebu's SME's started to develop and cebu-based brands are becoming popular like penshoppe etc. exports started to thrive from furnitures and native accessories to cameras and watches. the very first sensorized traffic system and at that time the only one of its kind in the country was installed in cebu.

1994 to 1997 - cebu's development became so popular in the country that big impact projects started pouring in. the airport was upgraded, the ayala development and the largest sm mall outside manila came to cebu almost in unison. a local mall developer also developed their own retail development and was once one of the biggest mall in the city, the gaisano country mall. there was money to burn! everybody was eating out or playing on the two new computerized bowling complex of gaisano and sm. the purchasing power of the cebuano's was on a different level. while more ecozones were developed in some other areas in cebu.

cebu's popularity reached overseas, ranking as the 8th best city in asia, a record unprecedented by any other philippine cities to date until the popular mag folded up, a victim of the asian financial crisis that started in 1997.

1997 to 2001 - with the ever increasing development of cebu, several infrastructures need to catch up. the second link of mactan island and cebu was opened for traffic

2001 to 2007 - led by a productive citizenry with a proactive and optimistic mind who chooses to work than join rallies and who would favor an economist over an actor. ceboom part 2 started its engine rolling again. developments in real estate never before seen in cebu is at hand. if the changing skyline of cebu is one barometer, then to describe cebu's development as hot is just too cool (and is an understatement) a roaring fire is more like it. cebu now leads the country in tourism. consistently ranking as one of the top ten best destination in asia (conde nast) and is now considered one of the leading and ideal location for BPO's worldwide.

(note: some of the years and the developments may not match, these are just all based on my personal knowldege so forgive my misses, heh!)

flesh_is_weak

December 31st, 2007, 05:20 AM

i'd prefer it if Metro Cebu--or at least most of it--would be amalgamated into one megacity that would be governed by a council representing the former cities

habagatcentral1

December 31st, 2007, 05:22 AM

^^ Is there an existing development council in Cebu?

iloilocitykid

December 31st, 2007, 05:54 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Cebu#Metropolitan_Cebu_Development_Council (Metropolitan Cebu Development Council)

jogavilz

December 31st, 2007, 08:23 AM

there will come a time that the municipalities in the philippines will become cities.....even if they are not urbanized

iloilocitykid

December 31st, 2007, 12:31 PM

^^ We may never know. The country might turn into one big Megalopolis for all we know. We should preserve our nature spots before it's too late.

SUV111

December 31st, 2007, 12:56 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2149006770_ccf53fd88c.jpg?v=0

WawaY[625]

January 1st, 2008, 07:39 AM

davao's population according to http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gpro&lng=en&dat=80&geo=349626563&srt=npan&col=aohdqgbeimnfcx&msz=1500

dunno how accurate though

1970 census 178 471
1975 census 242 456
1980 census 408 775
1990 census 521 525
2000 census 1 046 980
2008 calculation 1 333 887

WTF? lol what happened between 1990 and 2000?

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 09:21 AM

;17422557']davao's population according to http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gpro&lng=en&dat=80&geo=349626563&srt=npan&col=aohdqgbeimnfcx&msz=1500

dunno how accurate though

1970 census 178 471
1975 census 242 456
1980 census 408 775
1990 census 521 525
2000 census 1 046 980
2008 calculation 1 333 887

WTF? lol what happened between 1990 and 2000?

i found that source world gazetteer somewhat inaccurate, but the heck, anybody can make figures. i might be wrong, they might be correct.

siguro they are making babies during that time. baby boomings...:nuts:

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 09:27 AM

may competition siguro. kaya ganun, maybe many cities means progress to them. being a city means progress to the extent that it still feels very rural.

eh kung yan ang trip nila. fine. its in the beholders eye naman yan eh. if it is still a municipality with an urban feel, weird ano? i know a place like kalibo.

i thought its a city when i went there, but im proven wrong. theres another place, i thought its a municipality, city daw, smile na lang ako. fine. whatever. ay traffic, meron ba?

sakay na.

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 09:28 AM

;17422557']davao's population according to http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gpro&lng=en&dat=80&geo=349626563&srt=npan&col=aohdqgbeimnfcx&msz=1500

dunno how accurate though

1970 census 178 471
1975 census 242 456
1980 census 408 775
1990 census 521 525
2000 census 1 046 980
2008 calculation 1 333 887

WTF? lol what happened between 1990 and 2000?

NSO is the most accurate source of population although I don't know if they have the stats online from 70's to the 90's. But if you may have notice that there is a population boom in Davao since the 40's due to the opening of Mindanao as the "Land of Promise" as triggered by NLSA, LASEDECO and NARRA projects and also a chain migration of Luzon and Visayan peoples.

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 09:36 AM

I don't if we can call Iloilo as evolution. I look at it like an inverted parabola..

1800's - 1898 -Iloilo was a booming city, the 2nd in terms of economic importance after Manila. Jaro, a nearby city, is also a rich place
1898 - Spain's last bastion in Asia
1899 - 1945 - Queen City of the South, center of American-era trade in the South
1945 - 1950's - Rebuilding the city after the destruction of WW2
1950's - 1960's - Labor unrests triggered a downfall in the economy; Mass exodus of people to neighboring cities such as Cebu, Bacolod and Manila
1960's - 1990's - Lost it's edge to Cebu; around 1995, the title of Queen City of the South was stripped.
1990's - Davao overtook Iloilo's economy; Still the center of commerce in Western Visayas
2000's - New leaders led to the rapid development of the city; Booming with developments; Almost all of the city is underconstruction with modern infra projects, like Flyovers, a Billion peso Flood Control, an Airport of International Standard and New roads and Bridges. Aims to be the Premiere city by 2015 (Hoping it happens). Establishment of a Metro Council, adjoining Guimaras and adjacent towns. Malling and Nightlife has improved. Entrance of BPO and IT companies.

My timeline is a bit vague. Hope someone can provide a more detailed presentation about Iloilo's evolution

frustratedarchitect

January 1st, 2008, 09:41 AM

Late 1800's: The Spanish failed to govern Baguio (then known as Kafagway) but was able to establish areas called rancherias where horses and cattle graze. There were around 20 houses with no roads. The rancheria was then owned by Mateo Carino who then was the wealthiest man in Benguet.

1900: The Americans found Baguio an ideal site for a future city and a summer retreat from the sweltering heat of the lowlands. The hills were grassy and studded with pine trees and above all it had a cool and pleasant climate. Gov. William Howard Taft and other officials did not hesitate to proposed that this be the location for the summer capital and health resort of the Philippines.

November 1900: Kafagway was designated as the summer capital-meaning American Government offices would be moved from Manila to Baguio during the summer months. Kafagway was later renamed as Baguio-from the word bigyiw which is an Ibaloi term for moss that grew abundantly around the area.

1901- A plan was made to build a road that would connect Baguio with Manila. Hence Major L. Kennon supervised the construction of Bued Canyon road (known today as Kennon road)

Early 1900s: Daniel Burnham _ the architect who planned other American cities such as Chicago designed Baguio. The city was planned to accomodate 25 000 people.

On June 1, 1903, a resolution was passed by the American colonial government, naming the town of Baguio as the summer capital of the Philippine Archipelago. The resolution also called for the construction of suitable buildings, the establishment of 19 townships, and the putting up of appropriate transportation. This was to prepare Baguio as the residence of all officers and employees of the Insular Government during the summer season when the climate in the lowlands was quite hot and very humid. A suitable site was selected for this purpose and which was later known as Camp John Hay.

Following are some of the other events that occured during the administration of Baguio under the American Colonial Government.

* 1903: Establishment of the first telephone system for Baguio.
* 1905: The Baguio Country Club was organized.
* 1906: Civil government authorizes the sale of residential and commercial properties in Baguio.
* 1907: Construction of the Baguio General Hospital is started.
* 1908: Philippine Constabulary School (forerunner of the Philippine Military Academy) was moved from Intramuros to Baguio.
* 1910: Water supply system for Baguio becomes operational.
* 1911: The first automobile travels to Baguio from Manila through Kennon Road.
* 1913: Establishment of Sanitary Camp.
* 1919: An airplane lands for the first time at the Baguio airport.
* 1924: A hydroelectric plant becomes operational & construction of the Baguio Central School is completed.

September 1, 1909 Baguio became the second chartered city in the Archipelago. The city prospered in the years before the outbreak of the Second World War.

World War 2 It is said that the war in the Philippines began and ended at Camp John Hay. During the early part of the 2nd World War, Baguio was the initial bombing target of the Japanese air forces and the city was in ruins. When the Japanese Imperial Army captured Baguio, they converted Camp John Hay into their garrison and a part of it was used as a concentration camp.

In 1944, when the American forces led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur landed in Leyte, Gen. Yamashita moved his headquarters to Baguio. The puppet Philippine government under Pres. Jose Laurel was also set up in the city. Finally in 1945, American and Filipino forces advanced toward Baguio to liberate it from the Japanese forces. In the process, Baguio suffered intensive artillery shelling and aerial bombardment.

The city was destroyed as the liberating forces were flushing out Gen. Yamashita and his army. Many of the residents of Baguio lost their homes and took shelter for about two months at the Baguio Cathedral. Since there was an acute food shortage, Yamashita eventually allowed thousands of Baguio residents to leave the city. The American forces advanced toward the city from the south by way of Kennon Road and also from the northwest through Naguilian Road. There was intense fighting along the way. When the Japanese defensive positions started to fall, Gen. Yamashita quickly retreated north from Baguio. However, he left a small delaying force to cover his withdrawal from the city.

Not aware of the withdrawal of the Japanese forces and still expecting a counterattack, the Americans waited several days before their final assault of Baguio. Somehow Gen. Yamashita and his 10,000-strong army made good their retreat from the city. It was about five months later that the Japanese lost the war in the Philippines. On September 3, 1945, Gen. Yamashita came back to Baguio to sign the unconditional surrender of the Japanese Army. This event took place at the residence of the U.S. ambassador at Camp John Hay.
The Years After The War

The years after the war
From the ruins of World War II, the City of Baguio steadily grew into the commercial, educational and recreational center of the Cordilleras and northern Luzon. Although Baguio ceased to be the official summer capital in 1976, people still continued referring to it as the summer capital of the Philippines. Quezon City has since then become the capital of the country throughout the twelve months of the year.

The 1990 earthquake

A major earthquake devastated Baguio City on July 16, 1990. Many old and new buildings were leveled to the ground and numerous people died. All the three major access roads leading to the mountain resort were closed and many visitors and residents leaving or coming back to the city were stranded. All incoming and outgoing flights were limited only to aircraft involved in rendering aid and assistance to the residents. There were no commercial flights available and the city was left with no means of transportation for getting in or out of Baguio.

Baguio today:
Baguio is once again a bustling and vibrant city. The residents have returned and the visitors and tourist have started to come back. The city is now a self-governing member of the Cordillera Autonomous Region (CAR). Baguio continues to remain as an important copper and gold-mining center. It still is an important focal point for commerce, trade, and education north of Metro Manila. There is no doubt that a better Baguio has emerged from the ruins of the great earthquake of 1990.

Baguio is now known as the best place to invest north of Manila. It is a site for numerous MNCs and BPO facilities.

By 2010: Baguio's population is expected to rise to 300, 000.

source: http://www.cityofpines.com/history.html

WawaY[625]

January 1st, 2008, 10:10 AM

^^ di pa umabot ng 300,000 ang population ng baguio sa lagay na yan? from the pics (looks so dense) akala ko nasa mga 800,000 na eh

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 10:11 AM

^^ They have a small land area yet a very big population. Most of their suburbia developments are located at Tuba and especially La Trinidad.

WawaY[625]

January 1st, 2008, 10:18 AM

i think iloilos population is very misleading (less than 500k)..sure less than 500 siya pero sa city proper lang siguro yun, kasi nung pumunta ako iloilo, halos urban ang area (or at least ang road) from sta. barbara to iloilo city (dunno how many towns ang nadaanan namin but it felt like one city)

Siguro kung Metro Iloilo, nasa 1 million na ang population

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 10:22 AM

frustratedarchitect

January 1st, 2008, 10:23 AM

Population growth rate decreased to 2.31 percent

The City of Baguio registered a total population of 252,386 persons in the year 2000 up from 226,883 in 1995, giving the city an average annual growth rate of 2.31 percent, a decrease of 1.79 percentage points from the 1990 to 1995 period

The number of households rose to 52,302, higher by 4,231 households compared to the 1995 figure. This gave an average household size of 4.8 persons, a slight increase from 1995 (4.6) and lower than the national average of five persons.

So I could only wonder How Baguio will look like when it reaches 1 Million people..

source: http://www.census.gov.ph/data/pressrelease/2002/pr0246tx.html

There is a more recent census last 2005 I think and Baguio's population is said to be near 280 000. By 2010, 310 000. La Trinidad has around 40 000 people.
Baguio's land area is 57 sq. km

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 10:29 AM

;17423264']i think iloilos population is very misleading (less than 500k)..sure less than 500 siya pero sa city proper lang siguro yun, kasi nung pumunta ako iloilo, halos urban ang area (or at least ang road) from sta. barbara to iloilo city (dunno how many towns ang nadaanan namin but it felt like one city)

Siguro kung Metro Iloilo, nasa 1 million na ang population

MIGEDC [Metro Iloilo Guimaras Economic Dev't Council area] (including Guimaras) is about 600,000 approximate. Metro Iloilo includes the towns of Pavia, Santa Barbara, Leganes, San Miguelm Oton and Iloilo City. Minus Guimaras it will be 500,000+ approximate. Iloilo City is just only 360,000+ with a floating population of another 100,000 as according to the city hall as of 2000.

The whole Iloilo province is about a million.

WawaY[625]

January 1st, 2008, 10:29 AM

ngek, wag naman dami. sobra na yan, kakayanin ba yan. pag too many people, very dense na nga eh. dadami poverty, sana more jobs.

dumadami ang population ng iloilo dahil sa estudyante. tingnan mo pag semana santa. an luwag luwag ng daan. kasi wala estudyante. nagsiuwian sa kani kanilang province.

nyak what i meant was, if i count yung towns na halos conurbated na sa iloilo baka nasa 1 million na ang population ng iloilo (city + adjacent towns)

may figures ba kayo ng populations ng towns malapit sa iloilo?

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 10:34 AM

WawaY[625]

January 1st, 2008, 10:37 AM

hehe di ko naman pinipilit ang 1 million eh :D ang point ko lang na misleading na less than 500k ang iloilo since yung ibang towns malapit sa iloilo is parang part na rin ng city hence iloilo is bigger than what the numbers show :okay:

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 10:39 AM

hmmm, siguro si bernie, mukhang may sources yan eh, oh di kaya ibang forumers...

siguro kung buong metro iloilo. baka di pa, mga 700,000 lang more or less. (disclaimer: this is just an opinion and a wild guess, no intention to instigate whatsoever).

yan ha, may disclaimer na ako. peace bro.

Probably by now, yes, we're more than 700,000..( i added the population of the metro with the data that is 7 years old). We're the weirdest metro region. We encompass a whole province. :lol:

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 10:40 AM

;17423365']hehe di ko naman pinipilit ang 1 million eh :D ang point ko lang na misleading na less than 500k ang iloilo since yung ibang towns malapit sa iloilo is parang part na rin ng city hence iloilo is bigger than what the numbers show :okay:

hehehe... lam ko yun pre, actually hindi yan para sa iyo... para iyon sa mga alam mo na... i would definitely agree with you. misleading nga siguro. mabuti nga iyon para gulat lang ba.

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 10:50 AM

;17423365']hehe di ko naman pinipilit ang 1 million eh :D ang point ko lang na misleading na less than 500k ang iloilo since yung ibang towns malapit sa iloilo is parang part na rin ng city hence iloilo is bigger than what the numbers show :okay:

Probably by now, yes, we're more than 700,000..( i added the population of the metro with the data that is 7 years old). We're the weirdest metro region. We encompass a whole province. :lol:

Pavia was just 30K, Oton has 60K, Leganes has 25K at least, San Miguel has 15K yet I don't know the population of Santa Barbara. Guimaras is about 100K. Iloilo City back then (2000) has 365K approx.

caloy

January 1st, 2008, 10:59 AM

Pavia was just 30K, Oton has 60K, Leganes has 25K at least, San Miguel has 15K yet I don't know the population of Santa Barbara. Guimaras is about 100K. Iloilo City back then (2000) has 365K approx.

so around 500,000 nga... not bad.

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 11:42 AM

^^ We don't look like a metro area yet. Maybe in 5 years time. We have similar plans as Cebu 20 year ago.

jogavilz

January 1st, 2008, 11:51 AM

^^ We may never know. The country might turn into one big Megalopolis for all we know. We should preserve our nature spots before it's too late.

if the philippines will turn into a megapolis, we might be featured in the national geographic channel's megacities....:lol:

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 11:59 AM

^^ Yeah and that's just a dream with the current trend in our country nowadays.

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 12:00 PM

^^ Actually according to Mam Lea Lara of Iloilo Business Club, ILED or Iloilo Economic Dev't Council, the one who lead the Iloilo Investor's Forum, was inspired by Cebu's effort in promotion. :)

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 12:01 PM

^^ Which is great! I'm glad we're following a route that's sure for progress. But who knows what the future holds. Ayala is to Cebu as Megaworld is to Iloilo.

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 12:06 PM

^^ Hehehe!!! But likewise, we did have some glories and tragedies to share. The city evolved from a mere sleepy mosquito-ridden barrio to one of Philippine's finest during the American colonial era. Iloilo city proper was just a backwater while Molo and Jaro were already pueblos during the Spanish colonial era.

In 1938, when Iloilo was to become a city again, it integrated the towns of La Paz, La Villa Rica de Arevalo, Mandurriao and Molo (Parian, which was integrated earlier). Jaro was once an independent city until 1940 when they revised the cityhood bill and therefore merged with Iloilo City.

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 12:09 PM

^^ Grabe! It was not only during the American era that we were important but also during the Spanish era.

If I remember what Zaide said, Arevalo and Jaro were cities during the 1800's.

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 12:11 PM

^^ Oh my!!! Si Zaide!!! :runaway: Arevalo was not a city per se. I recommend reading Demy Sonza and Henry Funtecha for your reference for the history of Iloilo.

Jaro and Molo were centers of once booming textile industries way before sugar industry came into scene. Iloilo City proper was just a fishing village. The only thing that gave her progress was it having a protective natural harbour.

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 12:13 PM

^^ How come? If Zaide isn't credible, how come Deped issued that to us? omg...:ohno:

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 12:15 PM

^^ Well, for us its not a good reference for history, IMO. ;)

iloilocitykid

January 1st, 2008, 12:19 PM

^^ I'll trust the experts..you're a history teacher eh..:)

PINOYmeat

January 1st, 2008, 03:19 PM

si bernie pa?! degree holder ng history kaya yan... UP lang naman, heh!

habagatcentral1

January 1st, 2008, 03:27 PM

^^ Hilum da Pao. I'm not bragging anything, hehe! :lol: I just want to share what I've learned. :D

iloilocitykid

January 2nd, 2008, 12:23 AM

^^ It's not close to bragging berns..:)

le Reine

January 2nd, 2008, 05:01 AM

^^ Well, for us its not a good reference for history, IMO. ;)

I second the motion. Aside from having many errors, it is also flooded with adjectives which makes it biased.

frustratedarchitect

January 2nd, 2008, 06:53 AM

Population of the many cities of the Philippines: 2000 census

Alaminos City 73,448
Angeles City 263,971

Antipolo City 470,866
Bacolod City 429,076

Bago (Pulupandan) 141,721
Baguio City 252,386
Bais City 68,115
Balanga City 71,088
Batangas 247,588
Bayawan 101,391
Bislig City 97,860
Butuan City 267,279
Cabanatuan 222,859
Cadiz City 141,954
Cagayan de Oro City 461,877
Cainta 242,511
Calamba City 281,146
Calapan City 105,910
Calbayog 147,187
Calumpit 81,113
Candon City 50,564
Canlaon City 46,548
Cauayan City 103,952
Cavite City 99,367
Cebu City 718,821
Cotabato City 163,849
Dagupan City 130,328
Danao City 98,781
Dapitan City 68,178
Dasmariñas 379,520
Davao City 1,147,116
Digos City 125,171
Dipolog City 99,862
Dumaguete City 102,265
Escalante City 79,098
Gapan City 77,735 89,199
General Santos City 411,822
Gingoog City 102,379
Guagua 96,858
Guiguinto 67,571
Himamaylan City 88,684
Iligan City 285,061
Iloilo City 365,820
Imus 195,482
Iriga City 88,893
Isabela City 73,032
Jolo 87,998
Kabankalan 149,769
Kalookan (Caloocan) City 1,177,604
Kawit 62,751
Kidapawan City 101,205
Koronadal City 133,786
La Carlota City 56,408
Laoag City 94,466
Lapu-Lapu City 217,019
Las Piñas {Las Pinas} City 472,780
Legazpi City 157,010
Ligao City 90,603
Lipa City 218,447
Los Baños {Los Banos} 82,027
Lucena City 196,075
Maasin City 71,163
Makati City 444,867
Malabon City 338,855
Malaybalay 123,672
Malolos City 175,291
Mandaluyong City 278,474
Mandaue City 259,728
Manila City 1,581,082
Marawi City 131,090
Marikina City 391,170
Muñoz {Munoz} City 65,586
Muntinglupa City 379,310
Naga City 137,810
Navotas 230,403
Obando 52,906
Olongapo City 194,260
Ormoc City 154,297
Oroquieta City 59,843
Ozamis City 110,420
Pagadian City 142,515
Palayan City 31,253
Panabo City 133,950
Parañaque {Paranaque} City 449,811
Pasay City 354,908
Pasig City 505,058
Passi City 69,601
Puerto Princesa City 161,912
Quezon City City 2,173,831
Roxas City 126,352
Sagay City 129,765
Samal City 82,609
San Carlos City 118,259
San Carlos City 154,264
San Fernando City 102,082
San Fernando City 221,857
San Jose City 108,254
San Jose del Monte 315,807
San Juan del Monte 117,680
San Mateo 135,603
San Pablo 207,927
San Pedro 231,403
Santa Cruz 92,694
Santa Rosa City 185,633
Silay City 107,722
Sipalay City 62,063
Sorsogon City 134,678
Surigao City 118,534
Tagaytay City 45,287
Tagbilaran City 77,700
Taguig (Tagig) 467,375
Tagum City 179,531
Talisay City 79,146
Tanauan City 117,539
Tarlac City 262,481
Tuguegarao City 120,645
Urdaneta City 111,582
Valenzuela City 485,433
Vigan City 45,143
Zamboanga City 601,794

If anyone has a more recent list..just post away.

(2000) National Statistics Office of the Philippines (web).

It would be hard to make any conclusions from the table alone though. But in my mind it does say a lot.

garzland

January 2nd, 2008, 09:29 AM

From the list above, I'm gonna choose the top 15 cities outside Metro Manila which are deserved to be called cities...(Not in order)

Cebu
Davao
Baguio
Cagayan de Oro
Zamboanga
Naga
Dumaguete
Iloilo
Lucena
Gen. Santos
Tacloban
Bacolod
Legazpi
Butuan
Angeles

In terms of beautiful structures and planning (based on what I've seen on pictures), I choose...
(Not in particular order)

Baguio
Cebu
Davao
Dumaguete
Iloilo
Bacolod
CDO

In terms of parks ( Based on pictures), I choose...
(Not in particular order)

Zamboanga
Baguio
Cebu
Davao

In terms of skyline (based on picture)...
(Not in particular order)

CDO
Legazpi
Baguio
Davao
Cebu

To sum up....The top 3 cities that can be compared with other countries' cities as of to date are
(Not in particular order)

Baguio
Cebu
Davao

In the future:

Iloilo
Cagayan de Oro
Bacolod
Zamboanga
Naga
Legazpi
Butuan

LordCarnal

January 2nd, 2008, 02:12 PM

;17422557']davao's population according to http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=&men=gpro&lng=en&dat=80&geo=349626563&srt=npan&col=aohdqgbeimnfcx&msz=1500

dunno how accurate though

1970 census 178 471
1975 census 242 456
1980 census 408 775
1990 census 521 525
2000 census 1 046 980
2008 calculation 1 333 887

WTF? lol what happened between 1990 and 2000?

Malaki ang population ang Davao dahil parang Province ang status nya eh because of its land area.. so big..

I think it would be advantageous if Davao City will be elevated to a Province with the existing districts as cities.

LordCarnal

January 2nd, 2008, 02:18 PM

iloilocitykid

January 2nd, 2008, 03:54 PM

^^ Well back in the 1900's we didn't need an international airport. Only Manila was sufficient enough. We had a mall/department store and we had hotels back then. We didn't need flyovers or overpasses (in fact, even today, we don't need them for being an eyesore):lol:

But I'm not saying we go back to the past but back in the day, we were a prime city. That's the difference. We had an up-to-date supply of what's new in almost everything. We had theaters, good ports, nice buildings, infrastructure, etc. Now, though we have it, we still lag behind other cities in the country mainly because of the power supply which is quite poor in service and high in rates.

I'm complaining at all. I prefer Iloilo to be what it is today, the next big thing. As what Mr. Oscar Lopez said, the best is yet to be.

I guess I was wrong in saying it was an inverted parabola. It is actually a parabola.

From a prime city in 1800's-1940's to one of the suffering cities during the 1960's-1990's to the next big thing in 2000's, I am glad to have lived to see this coming..:)

habagatcentral1

January 2nd, 2008, 04:20 PM

Regarding Iloilo City during the late Spanish colonial period onwards until the early 1900s, I don't agree that the city lost its glory (inverted parabola). In fact it is more booming and modern now than during the early 1900s.

Lemme ask you the question, was there a modern airport in the early 1900s? Were there malls and hotels? Were there flyovers and skywalks? Well-paved (asphalted) roads? Were there modern school buildings?

Would you prefer Iloilo to be like in the 1900s or today?
..

If you are to base it on 1900's standards, it might look like that. If you put Iloilo today to 1900's standard, we might be just another backwater city. The glorious days of sugar industry has brought so much affluence and development during those times that it became the 2nd most important city in the islands, after Manila or shall we say, what Cebu is now, was Iloilo before (this is just an illustration and no comparison intended here). We did have electricity, water, double decker buses, telephone lines, concrete streets, Casino Español de Iloilo, entertainment center for Western Visayas and public schools in 1900's all the way to World War II. Its a different scenario before. That is if we look on the standards of that time. We're not bragging but we even have INAEC (Iloilo Negros Air Express Corp) owned by the Lopezes, which was one of the first airlines in the country.

In 1950's, we receeded back...almost lost everything that we had before because of politics, labour unrest at the port, social instability, the transfer of direct exportation of sugar to Pulupandan Negros, slow recovery from the war and the flight of the Ilonggo entrepreneurs out of the city...The city's economy was left in ruins but was kept afloat by the province's self sufficiency in agriculture.

That is why allegorically, some people would compare to an Ilonggo song Ay, Ay Kalisud!!! in which a woman was left by her lover in despair. From a regal queen to a lowly commoner we did. Population growth and businesses dropped. There was a great diaspora of Ilonggos to Manila, Negros, Guam and Mindanao.

Right now, we're trying to recover what was lost and move on for a better tomorrow. We may no longer be what we were before but we hope to make something better for our city and the province. It was different before.

iloilocitykid

January 2nd, 2008, 04:35 PM

^^ Couldn't have said it better myself..

eonynx

January 2nd, 2008, 04:41 PM

^^well, the way i see it, you have a fairly reasonable list. and if we are to follow it, konti lang pala dapat ang cities natin sa pinas.:lol:

garzland

January 2nd, 2008, 05:15 PM

^^I have a high standard kasi :cheers:

LordCarnal

January 2nd, 2008, 05:18 PM

^^

@Bernie
@iloilokid

Iloilo was called a "prime city" back then perhaps because it was the only city outside Manila that time enjoying those facilities that are standard to any big city. It still is a prime city today.. I don't think it "lost" everything because if you come to think of it, the things that you mentioned that Iloilo had in the past is still there and in fact has improved or gone better (except perhaps for the double decker bus but no big deal with it anyway, hehe)

It's just that there are more cities now outside Manila (and Iloilo in the 1900s) that have grown -- Cebu, Davao, CDO, Bacolod, Baguio, etc. And in the future more cities will continue to grow (i.e. Tagbilaran, Ormoc, etc.)

Aside from that, technology has improved too and so has our country's economy that even the farthest town or city is enjoying what we have like DSL connection, telephone lines, cellular phones, malls (thanks to Gaisano, hehe), cable TV, etc.

As cities will continue to grow, I think it won't matter anymore as to who's second or third to Metro Manila or what because time will come when we'll have 20 or more "Manilas" hehe. I just hope that there will be new technology to combat pollution.

..

habagatcentral1

January 2nd, 2008, 11:49 PM

WawaY[625]

January 3rd, 2008, 04:33 AM

Its not me being tikalon or bragging, its just the way we were and we already accept that those things belongs to the past. Its history.

sa tanang buhay ko dito sa SSC, never, not once, kita nakkitaan (or nabasa) ng pagiging tikalon :cheers:

barrera_marquez

January 3rd, 2008, 05:19 AM

habagatcentral1

January 3rd, 2008, 05:26 AM

^^ Kalibo has been wanting to become a city. The problem: land area. And I wonder why some municipalities, despite not fulfilling the requirements, still become a city.

barrera_marquez

January 3rd, 2008, 05:35 AM

^^ Kalibo has been wanting to become a city. The problem: land area. And I wonder why some municipalities, despite not fulfilling the requirements, still become a city.

Well, I suggest that Kalibo should use the same weapons that these "cities" used to attain cityhood. That is the reason why the cityhood of these "cities" received backfire. If Kalibo will do the same, hopefully nobody will disagree since it already looks like a city.

habagatcentral1

January 3rd, 2008, 05:41 AM

^^ Hmm...legislature and political will I guess. :)

KulasKusgan

January 3rd, 2008, 05:50 AM

UK magazine cites Davao City among top Asian 10 cities

Gil M. Abarico

DAVAO CITY — In the latest selection of top 10 "Asian Cities of the Future" by London-based FDI magazine, which is exclusively published for the corporate world, Davao City is listed No. 10 together with two other Philippine cities – Quezon City (No. 7) and Cebu City (No 8).

The other Asian cities in the top 10 list are: Hong Kong, Singapore, Taipei (Taiwan), Melbourne (Australia), Dalian (China), Shijiazhuang (China), and Guangzhou (China).

This was reported by Andre Fournier, board member of the Davao City Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DCCCI), during the weekly Club 888 media forum held at Marco Polo-Davao.

Fournier, chairman of DCCCI committee on Information Technology (IT), also reported that in the magazine’s listing of top five Asian Cities with the "best human resources," Davao City was No. 5, together with four other cities — Singapore (1), Melbourne (2), Hong Kong (3), and Taipei (4).

The finance magazine used the following judging criteria: economic potential, cost effectiveness, human resources, quality of life, infrastructure, business friendliness and promotion strategy.

Member of its judging panel were David Kinnear, president of DDC HRO, a provider of process outsourcing solutions (New York); James Ku, manager of consultancy firm Tractus-Asia, Ltd. (Shanghai); Anupam Prakasi, Asia-Pacific leader in global sourcing and business transformation at HR consultancy firm Hewitt Associates (India); and Lawrence Yeo, CEO of international consultancy firm AsiaBIZ (Singapore).

Fournier said that despite its recognition in international business and finance as having good potentials as a global investment site, Davao City’s leaders – both in the government and private sector – should not rest on the city’s laurels, but strive more to develop and tap its potentials.

http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV20080103113334.html

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2008, 06:05 AM

^^ Actually bai Arnold, I will be referring to the standards of that time. There were several ports that were opened after the demise of the Manila-Acapulco Galleon trade. There were also competition between other cities as well.

It was just Iloilo back then holds grip with the flourishing sugar industry (back then, Philippines' number one export to the US) as a transhipment and commercial base.

If you placed Iloilo back then to the standards of that time, it really has its affluent and glorious days. Business back then (again to the standards of time) was robust as it is compared today. There was Standard Chartered and HSBC in the 1800's all the way to 1983. In other words, we didn't continue to flourish as a major maritime city that we did when sugar industry was at its prime. There were few developments and likewise our population didn't grew significantly. Mass exodus during the 50's of not just the entrepreneurs but also of Ilonggos as well. There were no more else to go for employment except out. That is why we have one of the highest proportion of OFW families in the country. It was the flight of the Ilonggos out of Iloilo that proved devastating as it was the push factor of the migration of Ilonggos outside of Panay Island.

If we are to say about evolution, yes we have technology. Yes we have facilities...but if you put that on the standards of American & late Spanish colonial eras, again its just another city. Its really different if you are to understand the "Rise and the Fall" of Iloilo City, the past has endeared to a lot of old time Ilonggos who cherish the past as what they are referring to "Pax Romana" of the Roman Empire.

Its not me being tikalon or bragging or degrading, its just the way we were and we already accept that those things belongs to the past. Its history.

Of course you're not bragging because we're here talking about the evolution of cities, a very interesting topic.

Anyway, did you know that there was also a "Rise and Fall" in Cebu?

I happened to read about this in Bruce Fenner's book on the Social-Economic History of Cebu. The book is with Estan right now.

During the pre-Spanish times, Cebu was a very busy entrepot teeming with trade. The island was very poor in agriculture so the only activity that stimulated the economy was trade. People from the nearby islands would bring their products to Cebu to be shipped to other countries which had links with the island. The king of Cebu that time oversaw the trade.

Proof of a vibrant economy were in the households itself. The occupants wore gold jewelry even if gold wasn't found in the island. Houses were furnished with jars, plates and other goods from China.

When the Spaniards arrived, the economy got a boost as roads were constructed and so with other facilities. The port itself was improved too. If I remembered it right, Cebu also had links to the Galleon Trade. Ships were also built in the island for the galleon trade.

When the capital was transferred to Manila, the Spanish government enacted a policy of limiting trade to Manila alone. The locals got disoriented as a result. Trade declined and so with the population. At its worst point in time, less than three Spaniards lived in the city who were not friars or soldiers. The locals resorted back to farming and lost interest in trading. Population also declined. The Frenchman Le Gentil who visited Cebu that time described the city as nothing but a collection of straw shacks..

WawaY[625]

January 3rd, 2008, 06:26 AM

^^I have a high standard kasi :cheers:

ganun? para ka naman cellphone na lowbatt...

di ka mareach :lol:

(wala lang, narinig ko kasi yung joke na yun sa TV hehe gusto ko lang talaga i typ yun :lol:)

habagatcentral1

January 3rd, 2008, 06:36 AM

^^ I think this was the time when the Galleon trade was monopolized by Manila. I think, most of the entrepot communities outside Manila also suffered since the trade was restricted to Manila. Iloilo had that time too (or other than the present-day Iloilo) and worse, during those days, marauders from Mindanao, the British and the Dutch bombarded Oton and Arevalo and several other towns along the coastline. During those times, there was also a galleon ship-building industry in southern Panay. Because of the extent of the damage and the monopoly, Iloilo declined. I'll just continue this later, mahuhuli ako sa flight ko pauwi, wahehehe!!! :D

garzland

January 3rd, 2008, 07:07 AM

eonynx

January 3rd, 2008, 11:48 AM

Of course you're not bragging because we're here talking about the evolution of cities, a very interesting topic.

Anyway, did you know that there was also a "Rise and Fall" in Cebu?

I happened to read about this in Bruce Fenner's book on the Social-Economic History of Cebu. The book is with Estan right now.

During the pre-Spanish times, Cebu was a very busy entrepot teeming with trade. The island was very poor in agriculture so the only activity that stimulated the economy was trade. People from the nearby islands would bring their products to Cebu to be shipped to other countries which had links with the island. The king of Cebu that time oversaw the trade.

Proof of a vibrant economy were in the households itself. The occupants wore gold jewelry even if gold wasn't found in the island. Houses were furnished with jars, plates and other goods from China.

When the Spaniards arrived, the economy got a boost as roads were constructed and so with other facilities. The port itself was improved too. If I remembered it right, Cebu also had links to the Galleon Trade. Ships were also built in the island for the galleon trade.

When the capital was transferred to Manila, the Spanish government enacted a policy of limiting trade to Manila alone. The locals got disoriented as a result. Trade declined and so with the population. At its worst point in time, less than three Spaniards lived in the city who were not friars or soldiers. The locals resorted back to farming and lost interest in trading. Population also declined. The Frenchman Le Gentil who visited Cebu that time described the city as nothing but a collection of straw shacks..

very interesting piece of history! how i wish i could get my hands on that book you mentioned.

Il Tenore

January 3rd, 2008, 02:52 PM

^^I have a high standard kasi :cheers:
me too. only 1st to 2nd class shall be called "cities"

eonynx

January 3rd, 2008, 03:09 PM

LordCarnal

January 3rd, 2008, 03:24 PM

^^

Damn those Spaniards.. What could be the reason why they limited trade to one particular area?

eonynx

January 3rd, 2008, 03:29 PM

^^maybe bernie has an answer to that! he's our history major graduate here!:)

garzland

January 3rd, 2008, 03:51 PM

^^That's why I salute GMA's idea of Super Region which connotes decentralization...

habagatcentral1

January 3rd, 2008, 04:20 PM

^^ Ngak! Not that I'm a history graduate (lagi pa ngang tulog sa klase, wahehehe!!!). One reason kuno was control over the islands. Control over the economy of the islands, especially they (Spaniards) find the Galleon trade very good during those times. The other reasons, I'm not sure.

eonynx

January 3rd, 2008, 11:44 PM

^^the strategy of "divide and conquer" perhaps to keep the country from uniting back then?

barrera_marquez

January 3rd, 2008, 11:51 PM

^^That's why I salute GMA's idea of Super Region which connotes decentralization...

Yes para hindi lang Metro Manila ang gumagawa ng lahat. Lumalaki pollution, traffic at population problems dito.

Il Tenore

January 4th, 2008, 04:04 AM

^^That's why I salute GMA's idea of Super Region which connotes decentralization...
yup! and hope to continue this until the lifetime...

Animo

January 4th, 2008, 09:03 AM

Belated happy 3 kings! :)

Location and trade are actually one of the elements of any expansion of cities and even continents. During pre-Hispanic times bartering from China and from Celebes and Malacca would regularly come to trade to various Kingdomes/tribes in the Philippines, with no piers either, but nevertheless there was trade and not occasional but well established. It's a mistake to imagine that everything was funnelled via Manila. There was direct trade between the Ilocos and Southern China.The important cities during Spanish Philippines would be in the following order: Manila, Cebú and then Vigan (was then an island city with a wide river that surrounded it). The years 1790s-1850s was a period of great prosperity for the Ilocos. It was exporting sturdy cotton cloth to the rest of the islands.

In regards to Yloilo, it was Nicholas Loney who destroyed the piña-weaving industry of Yloilo to introduce British linen. Although he also brought better machines to extract sugar cane juice that helped in the production of sugar in Panay and Negros. However, the entry of mass-produced factory-made British textiles starting in the 1850's ruined the Ilocano and Yloilo cloth industry. Meanwhile population density had increased according to a monograph by Peter Xenos (http://www2.eastwestcenter.org/pop/pop62000.htm). Without the cloth industry as a second source of revenue, ordinary Ilocano (and probably Ilonggos ) households found it hard to earn enough for their basic needs and limited the growth of those particular regions. Manila grew but the rest of the port cities dwindled.

The Spanish Galleons, about 100 that sailed were mostly built from the following Philippine provinces: Pangasinan, Albay, Mindoro, Marinduque and Iloilo. In Mexico, the following provinces of Jalisco and Guerrero. The galleon trade had a tremendous influence on the formation of Mexican nationality. Many things that define Mexico today came in via the galleon trade: Tagalog words, cockfighting with blades (tari), fireworks, paper buntings for fiestas, coconuts, coconut-derived specialties (ginatan, tuba), ivory saints carved in Manila workshops, furniture with bone inlay.The entry of American and European traders into the Mexican market plus the establishment of the Compañia Real de Filipinas in 1785 had encouraged direct shipping between the Iberian peninsula and the islands, cutting down on the monopolistic aspect of the galleon trade.

^^ Ngak! Not that I'm a history graduate (lagi pa ngang tulog sa klase, wahehehe!!!). One reason kuno was control over the islands. Control over the economy of the islands, especially they (Spaniards) find the Galleon trade very good during those times. The other reasons, I'm not sure.

The people who gained most during the period of prosperity during the early part of the 19th century benefited a wide section of the public and not just the Manila-based Creoles, Spaniards and government officials. The economic power all over the islands was in the hands of the Chinese mestizos who arose on the basis of trade. This is clear from the names given to the older and more prosperous centers within Vigan, Malolos, Pasig and Molo: "Pariancillo," or "Kasanglayan" from the word sangley.

Real Academia Española (http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/)
(Del tagalo sanglay, y este del chino šang- lúi).
1. adj. Se decía del chino que pasaba a comerciar en Filipinas.

The opening chapter of Legarda, Benito Jr. J. . After the Galleons: Foreign Trade, Economic Change and Entrepreneurship in the Nineteenth-Century Philippines (http://www.filipiniana.net/citethesource.jsp?aid=B00000000040) states that the population of the Philippines in the late 16th century was only less that 1 million. Let us imagine it! The population was very small and that control was very easy. Another book about sugar trade during the colonial times would be Sugar and the Origins of Modern Philippine Society (http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?docId=ft4580066d&brand=eschol) by John A. Larkin.

Various economic historians have underlined the importance of the trade: the first trade network to link three continents together: Asia, Americas and Europe. The longest running commercial enterprise: 250 years. (William Lytle Shurz or Pierre Chaunu. The latter was an economic historian who rote "Les Philippines et le Pacifique des Iberiques (http://hoparound.net/HopAround/travellingInPhil.html)." Basing himself on trade patterns, he said that the trade finally linked together two hitherto disconnected trade regions: the Pacific and the Atlantic. He also said that because of the galleon trade, the Philippines became "le seul vrai but du monde" (the only true end-point of the world). Cultural currents originating in the Mediterranean and in the Atlantic entered an archipelago where indigenous, Chinese and Japanese cultural influences were also meeting each other. This can be seen in the traditional Filipino architecture, the bahay na bato, which incorporated the native structure, Spanish designs, Chinese form, and the Japanese windows.

^^the strategy of "divide and conquer" perhaps to keep the country from uniting back then?

It's mostly because of practicality. Imagine the tariffs and costs that would be spent by private investors or bussinessmen. The Spanish Royals had no control over the bussinesses in the country. In contrast in Java, the Dutch government led this through its plantations and their exports. For example, an economic crisis began to unfold in the Philippines during the latter half of the 19th century when Madrid began to impose a more protectionist policy in order to create a market for Spanish products as against those from Britain. The increased tariffs affected the common man and one of the causes of the Philippine revolution of 1896.

Manila-X

January 4th, 2008, 10:48 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again, will the no. of condos being built around Metro Manila, I was wondering how much office space does the city have especially in CBDs like Makati or Ortigas. Not just Manila but also other Philippine cities as well.

Does the city have enough office space to suit different businesses such as banking/finance, BPOs, entertainment/media, etc.

Metro Manila has several "grade A" office towers mainly PBCom Tower, GT Tower, RCBC Plaza, Petron Megaplaza, Enterprise Centre, Filamlife Tower and so on. But after PBCom Tower, not a single "grade A" standard office tower has been built.

Ok, there is The One Corporate Centre in Ortigas will give office spaces for companies. So far I haven't seen any new "high-rise" office towers built. Are there any others?

LordCarnal

January 6th, 2008, 02:04 PM

Map of Cebu City in 1913

(Photos courtesy of Joeber Bersales aka archeologue)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plan4lowfile.jpg

The main city center now

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b396/arnoldsa/cebu_map-1.jpg

More of the old map

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plan5lowfile.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plan3lowfile.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jbersales/plan2lowfile.jpg

absinthe_888

January 7th, 2008, 05:16 PM

dagdag IRA ata pag naging city na..chaka parang "brownie points" dun sa congressman o senator na nagpass nang resolution parang maging city ang isang municipality. personally, nadadamihan ako sa mga cities sa pinas.

barrera_marquez

January 8th, 2008, 11:59 AM

LordCarnal

January 8th, 2008, 01:51 PM

WawaY[625]

January 8th, 2008, 03:01 PM

galing ng old maps! :clap:

Waldenstrom

January 9th, 2008, 09:38 AM

habagatcentral1

January 9th, 2008, 12:31 PM

Dasmariñas and Imus are not yet cities.

@DocJeff...Soon to be, wahehehe!! ;)

flesh_is_weak

January 10th, 2008, 06:47 PM

^^

Perhaps the only thing that is hampering the expansion is the lack of flat space..

Cebu City is mostly mountainous.. The city actually has an area of about half of the NCR, but only a very,very small percentage of it is urban.

..

soon, maybe we'd have metal and glass versions of the Eloi settlement (in the Time Machine) built along the cliffs of Cebu's mountains :lol:

* * *

since Jeepney fares are about to skyrocket to Php9, why wont our mayor take advantage of this and introduce a public bus transit system that charges less...maybe after that, in 5-10 years, the jeepney would be totally unheard of in Cebu (and Colon would be a 'wider' place again :))

brownman

January 10th, 2008, 07:48 PM

Wow, the old Cebu City map is great.
You can actually see the stark contrast from what Cebu have during the early 20th century to what the city looks like now.:)

barrera_marquez

January 11th, 2008, 11:09 AM

City of San Fernando or San Fernando City?

By Albert B. Lacanlale (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2007/11/03/news/city.of.san.fernando.or.san.fernando.city..html)
Sun.Star

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO -- Is the dateline of this story the right title for this component city?

This question seemed to have resurfaced as confusion on the real title of Pampanga's second city vis-à-vis its namesake in the province of La Union persists, prompting the Pampanga Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PamCham) to revisit the charters that converted the two former municipalities into cities.

PamCham executive director Joyce Duldulao said the city in La Union is named "City of San Fernando", which was created by virtue of Republic Act (RA) 8509, sponsored by La Union first district Representative Victor Ortega, signed by then President Fidel Ramos on February 13, 1998 and ratified by the residents via plebiscite on March 20, 1998.

Interestingly though, the country's 99th city in Pampanga was also named "City of San Fernando" in RA 8990, a charter for the city authored by then congressman now San Fernando Mayor Oscar Rodriguez.

The Pampanga capital city's charter, however, was not ratified until February 2001, three years after La Union City was created.

In practice, however, most people refer to La Union City as "San Fernando City." But the local government's official seal, including the signage at City Hall, bear the name "City of San Fernando."

Duldulao said La Union City officials may have gone with the common practice of placing the word "city" after the actual name of the locality, such as Parañaque City, Quezon City, Olongapo City, Angeles City and others, even after the charter has been made.

While others tend to indicate the name of the province after the city to distinguish one over the other, some correspondence have addresses with only the name of the city mentioned. The zip codes, which are also important in the orderly delivery of mails, are oftentimes neglected.

Confusion as regards the names of places usually lead to the delay in the delivery of important documents sent through the posts.

PamCham, Duldulao said, may seek the assistance of congressmen to find the best way to solve the name impasse.

Sorry for revival but this post seems very interesting.

Obviously I call my home city City of San Fernando but calling it San Fernando City isn't bad right? Nothing will change, everything will still be the same. I have seen my city from the ashes of Pinatubo in which it was still a municipality to the proposal of city charter of our Mayor Rodriguez. Now, our city is very, very booming at this moment.

Before I forgot, the San Fernando City we are mentioning here is the one in Pampanga. I have never been in San Fernando City, La Union. It is very far.

barrera_marquez

January 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM

Basta, let me put again the situationer of Kalibo, Aklan.

Its income is ok
Its population is ok
They are for cityhood but the thing that they lack is land area.

Has anyone been to Palayan City? The capital of Nueva Ecija? When I went here (no offense meant for NovoEcijanos) it looks like a sleepy town IMO rather than a city like Cabanatuan and San Jose (also in Nueva Ecija).

One of my cities, it is Palayan City. I cannot blame you, even me observed it myself. Just like Santa Maria when you pass through San Jose Patag. Wow!

Don't worry, I'll upload pictures of Palayan City if I can go there.

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2008, 11:27 AM

^^ Yupyup. Thanks! Although despite its small size, I like the hospitality of the people there. :okay:

brownman

January 11th, 2008, 11:39 AM

Basta, let me put again the situationer of Kalibo, Aklan.

Its income is ok
Its population is ok
They are for cityhood but the thing that they lack is land area.

Has anyone been to Palayan City? The capital of Nueva Ecija? When I went here (no offense meant for NovoEcijanos) it looks like a sleepy town IMO rather than a city like Cabanatuan and San Jose (also in Nueva Ecija).

This was the case of Vigan before. The city lacked enough land area to pass the cityhood standards (Vigan's area is 11 km²). But I think one of the major arguments that made it passed cityhood is that Vigan was the 3rd largest settlement during the Spanish occupation next to Manila and Cebu, Vigan was still know then as Ciudad Fernandina.

barrera_marquez

January 11th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Why don't we play a game? We'll call it name that city/municipality. There are only 2 rules: I'll show a picture of a place and you'll guess the city/municipality. The other one is that you have to distinguish a city from a municipality, meaning you must put the word "city of" at the beginning or "city" at the end of a place if it is a city or "municipality of" in the beginning of the name of a municipality. Failure to follow the second rule will make the name null and void.

Ready? Let's start, let's begin with these:

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Photos credits to TheAvenger.

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2008, 02:57 PM

City of San Fernando Pampanga? :D

Animo

January 11th, 2008, 06:44 PM

"On arriving at the locality where the new settlement is to be founded, the plan of the place, with its squares, streets and building lots is to be outlined by measuring by the cord and rule, beginning at the main square from which streets are to turn to the gates and principal roads, leaving sufficient open space so that if the town grows it can spread in a symmetrical manner. In the case of a sea-coast town the main plaza is to be situated near the landing place of the port. In inland towns the main plaza should be in the center of the town and of an oblong shape, its length being equal to at least one and one-half times its width, as this proportion is best for festivals in which horses are used and other celebrations which have to be held.

"The plaza shall be in proportion to the number of residents. A well proportioned medium size plaza is six hundred feet long and four hundred feet wide. The other streets laid out around the plaza are to be so planned that if the town should increase considerably it would meet with no obstruction which might disfigure what had already been built or be a detriment to the defense of convenience of the town. The lots and sites for slaughter housese, fisheries, tanneries, and such like, productive of garbage shall be so situated that the latter can be easily disposed of.

"A common shall be assigned to each town of adequate size, so that even though it should grow greatly there would always be sufficient space for its inhabitants to find recreation and for cattle to pasture without encroaching upon private property"

Philip II, "Royal Ordinances of King Philip II of Spain" (Archivo Nacional, Madrid, M.S. 3017, Bulas y Cedulas para el Coburuo de las Indias, San Lorenzo, España, 3 de Julio de 1573.

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^^ If anyone of you are interested in one topic in the book, just ask me if you want it to be scanned. :)