^^ well you posted it three times so i thought you were spamming...
(the other one on the tricycle thread)...

and excuse you queetz...
are you saying that my opinion doesn't make any sense?
i'm trying to defend jeepneys and tricycle here...
no offense but ambastos mo naman :ohno:
how can it be a spam if my post r related and makin sense and 2 identical post in 1 page isnt a spam..

well of course, you will say that papi's post has more sense than mine because you agree with each other...
but please, avoid those words in arguments and debates...
as it is very rude to say that... :yes:

Alright hold it. Insanedriver, you should read carefully before reacting since it seems that you're merely taking a position just for the sake of argument. ;)

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Back to topic :)

i think the government would have a hard time removing all those jeepneys on the road kasi marami ang mag-aalsa, and definitely it would not like to appear anti-masa...i agree with 'insanedriver' that jeepneys are already part of our culture. it's what makes us unique. removing them from the streets tantamounts to removing part of our identity as filos..but i also agree with XP and the others that, somehow, these are a bit impractical especially on the major roads. and that these (among others) contribute to the pollution problem...i think there are regulations currently at hand, so proper and strict implementation is necessary, and if these are proven insufficient, new and more stringent ones should be made and implemented asap. this applies not only to jeepneys but to buses and factory plants as well.....and finally, plant more trees. and again, more trees.

Have you ever waited for a bus in suburban USA? I have, and in my case they only had two trips in the AM and another two in the PM. Did it once, then insisted on having access to a car after.

Jeepneys do us a service. They help service routes that are otherwise uneconomical to service by bus and mass transport system. Trips that would have necessitated the use private vehicles which would result in energy waste and more pollution.

However, we need to better regulate jeepney franchises. They should be limited to secondary routes which are uneconomical to service with mass transport and buses.

i think the government would have a hard time removing all those jeepneys on the road kasi marami ang mag-aalsa, and definitely it would not like to appear anti-masa

i agree, but it's doable right?

...i agree with 'insanedriver' that jeepneys are already part of our culture. it's what makes us unique. removing them from the streets tantamounts to removing part of our identity as filos.

Spitting on the streets and buckets is part of Chinese culture in China, the Chinese government is now discouraging it, does that mean the Chinese government is wrong and is thus destroying Chinese identity?

.but i also agree with XP and the others that, somehow, these are a bit impractical especially on the major roads. and that these (among others) contribute to the pollution problem.

true

..i think there are regulations currently at hand, so proper and strict implementation is necessary

true

and if these are proven insufficient, new and more stringent ones should be made and implemented asap. this applies not only to jeepneys but to buses and factory plants as well....

even if fully implemented, still not enough, jeepneys are simply not efficient, pollution levels in the cities are so high that millions of Filipino children now would die prematurely once they hit their 40's and 50's; what is more important to you; jeepneys OR the lives of millions of children???

.and finally, plant more trees. and again, more trees.

exactly, even if we got rid of all jeepneys and already hasve a modern transpo, we still have to plant more trees.

Have you ever waited for a bus in suburban USA? I have, and in my case they only had two trips in the AM and another two in the PM. Did it once, then insisted on having access to a car after.


Your example applies to areas that has very low population density - some outback rural area. In areas with "average" population density, buses are usually available every 5 to 10 minutes on peak hours and every 15- 20 minutes on non peak hours. There are waiting sheds and once the bus arrives, there are seats available for everybody and things proceed orderly.

Jeepneys do us a service. They help service routes that are otherwise uneconomical to service by bus and mass transport system.

Those routes would be economical to be serviced by buses and other mass transpo if there are NO jeepneys plying those routes in the first place.

Trips that would have necessitated the use private vehicles which would result in energy waste and more pollution.

That is ASSUMING there are no buses and other public mass transpo. We are not just saying get rid of jeepneys in major roads; we are saying REPLACE those jeepneys with new buses.

However, we need to better regulate jeepney franchises. They should be limited to secondary routes which are uneconomical to service with mass transport and buses.


I agree. Like I said, ban jeepneys in major roads and in the business capital. In other areas, we can keep things as it is for the meantime.

solving the problem about pollution does not happen overnight. it needs the collective efforts of everyone involved. simply removing jeepneys from the streets would not instantly solve the problem. but that does not mean i am in favor of letting those pollution-causing-jeepneys be on our roads. i totally abominate everything that causes pollution..i know that most jeepneys have inefficient machines, thus emitting pollutants. What the gov't can do is to consider raising up the standards so that all vehicles which do not meet those standards are not to be registered..strict vehicle inspection should be done at least once a year before any renewal of a registration is to be granted...limit the number of jeepney franchises..put up bike lanes all over the metro..provide alternative sources of income for those existing jeepney drivers or atleast be given priority when looking for other employments..make the bus system more efficient...and list goes on & on..

it's ok for jeepneys to stay as long as they are properly maintained. the engines of the smoke-belching jeepneys should be overhauled. Sana the LTO should make a requirement for it. As for the tricycles, they should be removed. it's not because of the pollution but because most of them are reckless drivers. They should not also be permitted to drive along main roads as they cause too much delays in traffic.

it's ok for jeepneys to stay as long as they are properly maintained. the engines of the smoke-belching jeepneys should be overhauled. Sana the LTO should make a requirement for it. As for the tricycles, they should be removed. it's not because of the pollution but because most of them are reckless drivers. They should not also be permitted to drive along main roads as they cause too much delays in traffic.

You are missing the point man, haven't you been reading the previous threads?

Jeepneys because of its size and number (relative to buses) cause traffic. More traffic means more fumes. No vehicle is 100% fume free even if its completely overhauled. That's why we have to be as efficient as much as possible meaning the vehicle that could: carry as many people as possible with as minimal pollution and traffic as possible. This would be #1 train #2 buses.

People seem to be fixating on jeepneys here and glossing over the fact that someone mentioned that "nababayaran ang emission tests". I think all vehicles plying the roads of the Philippines should pass muster the clean air act, meaning no emission of gas pollution. And that the system should be free of bribery. Look into that first.

The topic here is "solutions to pollution problem in Metro Manila" and not "efficient transportation systems". There is a separate thread discussing that.

I am also concerned with water pollution. There should be an efficient collection of garbage, efficient sewage systems and water treatment plants as well as prosecution of entities violating anti-pollution laws, especially those that emit industrial wastes.

^well, yeah. But efficiency and being environment friendly goes hand in hand too. When I talked about efficiency, I also meant that we would be using less gas guzzling and smoke belching vehicles dramatically. Less traffic congestion could also mean less pollution. Ehehehe... yan ang palusot ko. :lol:

^ Ok naman. :okay:

People seem to be fixating on jeepneys here and glossing over the fact that someone mentioned that "nababayaran ang emission tests". I think all vehicles plying the roads of the Philippines should pass muster the clean air act, meaning no emission of pollution. And that the system should be free of bribery. Look into that first.

The topic here is "solutions to pollution problem in Metro Manila" and not "efficient transportation systems". There is a separate thread discussing that.

Well, we are thinking outside the box. Why settle for an inferior solution when you could go for a much better one?

Will NON smoke belching jeepneys solve the traffic jeepney's cause?

Answer: No

Would we have much less traffic if we replace jeepneys with buses?

Answer: Yes

Will there be significantly much less air pollution if there's less traffic?

Answer: Yes

Would it be much harder for corrupt enforcers to allow jeepneys on roads where jeepneys are banned than to allow a smoke belching jeepney?

Answer: Yes

Have we tried the emission test solution and find it not so succesfull in combating pollution?

Answer: Yes

Have we tried banning jeepneys in major roads as a solution on pollution?

Answer: No

Would it be very wise to try a new solution (banning jeepneys) rather than just pre-judge that it would never work and solely rely on a solution that is not working (emission)?

Answer: Yes

Would it be wise to try a new practical solution rather than rely on the same pitch about eliminating corruption, bribery and like?

Answer: Yes

Haven't we heard the pitch "strict enforcement of the law is all what is needed" a million times?

Answer: Yes

Have that pitch actually produce a substantial positive result?

Answer: No

Would it be more intelligent to try out other practical solutions rather than rely on the same old rhetorical "strict enforcement of the law is all what is needed" ?

Answer: Yes

Would trying out other practical solutions mean we are no longer concerned about strict enforcement of the law?

Answer: No

Would trying out other practical solutions to the pollution problem (such as banning jeepneys in major roads) endanger in any way whatsoever the drive to strictly enforce existing laws and eliminate corruption, bribery and such??

Answer: No

Too long peroration. Word pollution. No, joke only.

Address the issue on why strict enforcement of pollution laws is not being implemented. Why zero in on the jeepney issue? Banning jeepneys per se will not address pollution problems if enforcement is the problem.

The issue of practicality is a matter of perspective. From your perspective, banning jeepneys is more practical. From my perspective, enforcement of gas emission tests prior to annual vehicle registration is more practical.

Too long peroration. Word pollution. No, joke only.

Address the issue on why strict enforcement of pollution laws are not being implemented. Why zero in on the jeepney issue? Banning jeepneys per se will not address pollution problems if enforcement is the problem.

There is enforcement but not strict enforcement which is not uncommon for third world countries. Banning jeepneys would help a lot as like I said it would be much harder not to enforce it (too obvious) than allowing a smoke belching jeepney. Even if we could enforce 100% the existing pollution laws, it would not solve the problem as like I said, there would still be a lot of traffic cause by these jeepneys and where there is a lot of traffic, there's also a lot of air pollution.

^ I like that explanation better. :)

^ I like that explanation better. :)

cool :)

huuuuuuuuuyyyy, jonno tsaka lili, bolahan na kayu dyan ha.............:) ...baka di na issues pinaguusapan niyong dalawa diyan..baka mga check in times na ...hehehehehe :lol:

posted this on another thread:


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8290/billboardby3.jpg



This gave me an idea

can't corporations use jeepneys as endorsement for their products? like pay the owner x amount of money to get their product onto the jeepney.

Yep they're ads, another thing with that money, hopefully they will make use of it and make their jeepney even look better. And friendlier to the environment.


Big corporations can say we will only pay, if your jeepney is good for the environment/pass the emission test (Without cheating of course). Then it becomes an incentive for them too.

well downside is ads, ads, ads

Extra large begging bowls (http://manilamaildc.net/article2369.html)

"The 21st century will be the century of cities," says the 2007 Worldwatch Institute study: 'Our Urban Future." Decisive battles for humane lives will be fought in city alleys or crammed slums in a struggle "we are poorly equipped for."

That includes the Philippines . At last count, we had 123 cities, up from only 60 in 1990. City shingles were posted, this month, by Bogo in Cebu, San Juan in Metro Manila, Baybay in Leyte, Catbalogan in Samar and Lamitan in Basilan. Six are still in the queue, including Bayugan in Agusan del Sur.

The President didn’t sign the bills creating them. Most don’t earn P100 million yearly “the rock-bottom minimum, pegged by the Local Government Code to join the club." Instead of buttressing local revenues, they wangled exemptions from Congress in an election year. Come December, we’ll have a glut of 129 cities.

Many can’t even meet RA 9009’s bare-bone criteria, notes Iloilo mayor Jerry Trenas who heads the League of Cities. “Can they deliver as cities?" No, they can’t. Nor will they tax idle land, collect business permits, etc. Share of local taxes has shriveled from 31 centavos, out of every peso, to only 20 centavos today.

But new cities panhandle. New cities can wheedle, from national government, heftier Internal Revenue Allotments, chuckled San Juan mayor J.V. Ejercito. “A living beggar is better than a dead King", the Ilokano proverb says.

But new cities panhandle. New cities can wheedle, from national government, heftier Internal Revenue Allotments, chuckled San Juan mayor J.V. Ejercito. “A living beggar is better than a dead King", the Ilokano proverb says.

IRAs for new mendicants would be clipped from revenues of poverty-stricken Muslim cities and fifth class towns. A city shingle means a safety net for fading family dynasties. “You can’t hold back development", Bogo mayor Celestino Martinez III deadpanned. Development is not a larger begging bowl. Rather, it’s the process of empowering people to enlarge their choices, enabling them to rise to more humane standards of living, UN Human Development Report asserts.

“Cities are not problems,” says Jaime Lerner who, as mayor made the Brazilian city Curitiba a world symbol of startling innovation. “They are solutions” but only when leaders craft policies that spur citizens to bind present action a clear perspective on the future. Cities then become a collective dream and, a structure of change."

The old hoary excuse “lack of resources” ( i.e. small IRAs ) only guarantees paralysis, Lerner adds. City officials must have a vision of the ideal but do what is possible today. ‘Solutions for 20, 30 years ahead are pointless because by then the problems will have changed." Begin on problems that will not need decades to show results. “The present belongs to us. And it is our responsibility to open paths."

The first small cities emerged, in 4000 BC, between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. At no time since then, have so many people poured into ill-prepared cities. Sometime next year, a migrant will cross a city border and an invisible line, says Christopher Flavin in “State of the World 2007.” That crossing will be the first time in history in which more than half the people on earth “roughly 3.2 billion men, women and children” will live in cities. The flood into cities is unlikely to ebb soon. Even in urban slums, life and economic breaks are fractionally better for many of the poor. Thus, Metro Manila today find itself wedged among 20 mega-cities, i.e. those that have over 10 million people. In 1950, only Tokyo and New York were in the mega-city bracket.

Asian urban population mushroomed seven fold in 55 years, says Asian Development Bank. And In 23 years, 55 out of every 100 Filipinos will live in cities. Already, this region already accounts for 253 cities with population between one and five million. Compare that to 59 in Africa . ‘Almost all of future population growth in Asia will be in towns and cities."

Cities can also die. Borobudor in Indonesia, Angkor Wat in Cambodia , Fatiphurshakri in India as well as Mayan cities, between Mexico and Guatamela, turned into ghostly ruins.

Empty water cisterns, collapse of food systems and misrule wrecked them. Today’s cities can ignore that fatality list only at their peril. There are silver linings Rich and poor communities are bridging gaps left by mendicant visionless governments, says ‘Our Urban Future". A remarkable array of breakthroughs include these:

In Karachi , the city poor built themselves a sewerage system. Pune in India constructed sanitary toilet blocks to replace the “wrap-and-throw” waste disposal. Accra , Beijing , Vancouver and Argentina’s Rosario boost food supplies by farms on rooftops and empty city lots. Over 250 towns in Brazil now have citizens who participate in drawing up their budgets, following the innovation by Porto Alegre . ( Naga City installed a similar system under Magsaysay Awardee Jesse Roberdo.) Singapore is a garden city. Accord 21 building design, in China , reduces energy needs of standard buildings by 70 percent Zababaleen in Cairo recycles 85 percent of what garbage they collect. And Kampala in Uganda staunched water leakages from 51 to 29 percent.

“The cities of the future belong to the children of today." says Worldwatch Institute. New mindsets can bridge that gap, and not extra-large begging bowls.

I also believe that it's a filipino sickness to call cities with a city
Ex: Davao City etc

because when I saw an Almanac
and saw some info about cities
they didn't include "city" in Davao, Cebu, Quezon

^^ i didn't know there is a city within a city in the philippines.

I think it's only appropriate to include the word "city" to a place name only to differentiate it from another entity of the same. Like Quezon City to differentiate it from Quezon Province, or Iloilo City from Iloilo Province, and so on and so forth.

thanks to the catholic church. filipinos are producing like rabbits.

^^ What's the Catholic Church got to do with the prolific Filipinos? Moreso, what's the connection of the booming population with the mushrooming cities in our country?

^^ What's the Catholic Church got to do with the prolific Filipinos? Moreso, what's the connection of the booming population with the mushrooming cities in our country?

isn't it's the basic biblical teaching of the church? - to, go ye and multiply? i mean filipinos are selectively obedient to that particular command of god. and the catholic church at that, disapproves to the use of contraceptives, why? because according to them it's ungodly. the result? - let me quote you - "prolific" filipinos. prolific to a point incapable of making ends meet. result? brewing social imbalances, chaos, crimes, you name it.

also, i believe that before a plebiscite happens, population is the factor in becoming a city.

I also believe that it's a filipino sickness to call cities with a city
Ex: Davao City etc

because when I saw an Almanac
and saw some info about cities
they didn't include "city" in Davao, Cebu, Quezon

city with a city? :weird: well it's sick if you call Manila ,Manila City ..which many cities have that title even though they have no province w/ the same name.

How do you think if all towns in a province become Cities? I say for example an Island Province with 8 towns and since every town have an ambition to become Cities then every body become. Is it okay? Just like MetroManila, no more towns all cities. How do it looks or comparing with other country?
I am really amazed in our Country since we have a lot of Cities. You can visit a city in one place in Negros Occidental, oh my gush it's looks and feels like a barrio. What realy our basis to become a city? Baka masyadong mababa ang standard ng PILIPINAS para pumili ng isang bayang magiging siyudad?

^^ i'm really wondering why cities are created out of mega-barrios... and what's quite disturbing is the fact that most of these recently created cities mainly have informal economies... many legislators do not seem to understand that citihood means increase in taxes (and thus the prices of basic commodities) ... they are not only discouraging potential investors to invest in their places, but are also making the lives of the barrio folks harder.... imo lang :cheers:

^^ What's the Catholic Church got to do with the prolific Filipinos? Moreso, what's the connection of the booming population with the mushrooming cities in our country?

i can only think of two... they are against safer sex and same sex marriage !!??? :lol: :cheers:

one of my personal observations is that many of us filipinos are fond of engaging in bragging rights, with basis or not. and from politicians and ordinary citizens alike. when a place suddenly becomes a city, you suddenly hear many of it's inhabitants brag about their place being better than yours all because of the word "city" is now officially labeled to their area. but when you get to look at their place, it's sooo rural and all, it makes you really wonder why it became a city in the first place. it can't be denied that others indeed, apparently, rightfully earned their new title. i mean, what's really in a name?

one of my personal observations is that many of us filipinos are fond of engaging in bragging rights, with basis or not. and from politicians and ordinary citizens alike. when a place suddenly becomes a city, you suddenly hear many of it's inhabitants brag about their place being better than yours all because of the word "city" is now officially labeled to their area. but when you get to look at their place, it's sooo rural and all, it makes you really wonder why it became a city in the first place. it can't be denied that others indeed, apparently, rightfully earned their new title. i mean, what's really in a name?

Yes, it is true. Payabangan na talaga. Its better to have one city for every provinces but being an Internationally standard city. Let's make our standard the same with Malaysia. See? In malaysia a town is so progressive. If that is in our country we may call it a City already. Kailangan basehan natin ang tunay na kakayahan ng isang lugar para tawaging CITY. Sobra na masyadong PAYABANGAN NA!!

^^ i didn't know there is a city within a city in the philippines.

There isn't, are there?

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How do you think if all towns in a province become Cities? I say for example an Island Province with 8 towns and since every town have an ambition to become Cities then every body become. Is it okay? Just like MetroManila, no more towns all cities. How do it looks or comparing with other country?
I am really amazed in our Country since we have a lot of Cities. You can visit a city in one place in Negros Occidental, oh my gush it's looks and feels like a barrio. What realy our basis to become a city? Baka masyadong mababa ang standard ng PILIPINAS para pumili ng isang bayang magiging siyudad?

Metro Manila still has a town, Pateros.

I dunno. I think that there was a law requiring a municipality to have at least P10 million in annual income for them to qualify as a city but that was amended to increase the requirement to P100 million. But then all those small municipalities were clamoring to become a city since they justified that they sent their bills for conversion into a city back when the requirement was still P10 million, so those small municipalities were exempted :ohno:

thanks to the catholic church. filipinos are producing like rabbits.

Completely unrelated to the topic :weird:

isn't it's the basic biblical teaching of the church? - to, go ye and multiply? i mean filipinos are selectively obedient to that particular command of god. and the catholic church at that, disapproves to the use of contraceptives, why? because according to them it's ungodly. the result? - let me quote you - "prolific" filipinos. prolific to a point incapable of making ends meet. result? brewing social imbalances, chaos, crimes, you name it.

also, i believe that before a plebiscite happens, population is the factor in becoming a city.

Annual income is the main factor, I think. And besides, even if the voter turnout for the plebiscite is very low, the number of yes votes over the no votes is still the deciding factor. ;)

^^ i didn't know there is a city within a city in the philippines.
There isn't, are there?


Well, technically there is one. Intramuros (The Walled City), is a "city within a city" of Manila. :colgate:

Well, technically there is one. Intramuros (The Walled City), is a "city within a city" of Manila. :colgate:

>> he he, like saying SM city is a city within Quezon City!! :banana:

^^ :lol: oo nga noh. there is really a city within a city. it's SM city. di ko naisip yun.

tama nga naman..

SM City, Gaisano City..

may Metro pa nga within a City..

Metro Gaisano in Cebu City, Metro Cebu

so you think having so many cities is funny? how about having so many not so metropolitan cities calling themselves "metro"? :lol:

^^ i think I have seen one signature with METRO B::::: :lol:

^^ Metro ...BU....Hangin :D

well i heard a Mall that is a Chitown :lol:

;14365889']tama nga naman..

SM City, Gaisano City..

may Metro pa nga within a City..

Metro Gaisano in Cebu City, Metro Cebu

so you think having so many cities is funny? how about having so many not so metropolitan cities calling themselves "metro"? :lol:

well, the irony is that, when a certain place becomes so metropolitan in nature like here metro manila, you now see many countryside labels exist within the metropolis like for ex., "dasmarinas village", hehe!

Taytay’s cityhood drive launched; committee created (http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV2007072198257.html)

TAYTAY, Rizal – The municipal government’s plan to become the second component city in Rizal was launched the other day with the creation of a committee that would prepare the ground work on the conversion of this first-class town into a city.

Mayor Joric Gacula appointed his head executive assistant Billy Ines to head the committee on cityhood, whose task is to find out the pros and cons of cityhood, validate if the municipality is ripe’ to become a city, and solicit reactions and sentiments of the residents on the issue.

A plan has likewise been drawn up to reclassify the town from a highly industrialized municipality into a component city.

While Mayor Gacula expressed belief that the town has already met the requirements for cityhood, he said that his administration would still work for the collection of more revenues, which would make the proposed component city charter more acceptable to Congress.

Gacula said that the municipal government is now working on the completion of the requirements mandated by the Local Government Code, which directs towns aspiring to become cities to meet the standards on population and revenue collections.

Taytay’s target revenue this year is R240 million which is R6 million below this year’s approved budget.

In pursuing the reclassification of the municipality from a highly industrialized locality to a component city, Gacula pledged he would make sure a moratorium on tax increases would be among the major provisions of the city charter.

With the conversion of the town into a component city, Gacula said, Taytay stands to get a bigger internal revenue allotment (IRA) from the national government, and this would allow the city government to undertake more projects.

Likewise, the mayor said, the location of the municipality — it being on the outskirts of Metro Manila – boosts its bid for cityhood.

Taytay has been getting most of the spillover investments from Metro Manila, which has been regarded as saturated with very small room for new investments. (FJA)

^^ Metro ...BU....Hangin :D

well i heard a Mall that is a Chitown :lol:

mabuti pa nga sa Metro Buhangin puros PUJ ang makikita mo ... yoong ibang metro dyan puro tricycle :lol: opinion lang po, wag po kayong magagalit :cheers:

Hayan, sige, magiging CVC na naman to.

Ang bayan namin magiging 1st class na at kung sakaling maging syudad na, dapat wag nang baguhin ang name kasi parang di bagay hehe!

^^ Villasis City? Has a nice ring to it! :lol:

^^Nooo... I'd rather have it just Villasis hehe! :D

how about Ciudad Villasis? :D

If it were to grow any bigger and urban sprawl begins, it'll be Metro Villasis! :hilarious

^^But it's all tricycles everywhere, no taxis. They might accuse us of a "metro-wannabe" hehehe joke!

;14385689']how about Ciudad Villasis? :D

Ciudad Villasis sounds nice hehe!

^^ just paint all the tricycles with glaring pink color para sosyal ang dating :lol:

^^ just paint all the tricycles with glaring pink color para sosyal ang dating :lol:

Totoo iyan, sosyal ang dating. Meron nga tayong city na 7kms lang ang pagmamaneho mo bundok na ang bubulaga sa iyo. At may City tayo na kulang kulang ang facilities para bang barrio lang. Ang masaklap pa puro tricycles ang nasa paligid. Ang dahilan ang mayor kasi malakas sa taas. Ewan ko ba kahit ang mga turista nagugulat at nagtataka dahil may title pang city eh nakaka-antok naman daw. Check naman natin, masyadong mababa ang standard. Taasan natin to 500million ang bracket yearly income hindi 100million para maging City. Sana.

^^ the way i see it hindi lang dapat income ang pagbabasihan. how about yung existing infrastructure ng isang lugar aiming to be a city? dapat siguro included yun!and tsaka ung nature ng economy. kasi kung napaka agriculktural at puro pastoral land makikita mo, parang napaka insulting sa word na "city" kung tawagin yung lugar na yun! on the other side, may mga ibang bayan dyan na napaka progressive nga, yet it's people don't even care if their place is called a city or not! and to think that these progressive towns havevery diversified economies many of which go beyond the agricultural. if i remember right, before makati was turned into a city,it is way urbanized than many of our cities all over the country.even paranaque,i think, huli rin naka achieved ng cityhood status pero mas urbanized naman sya compared to other cities na obvious naman hindi deserving tawaging city.

According to my cyberbook a.k.a. Wikipedia:

A city is an urban settlement with a particularly important status which differentiates it from a town.

City is primarily used to designate an urban settlement with a large population. However, city may also indicate a special administrative, legal, or historical status.

Present-day, cities are products of the industrial revolution and are generally distinguished by land area and population. Large, industrialized cities generally have advanced organizational systems for sanitation, utilities, land distribution, housing, and transportation.

A big city, or metropolis, is usually accompanied by a subcity; for example, Aurora, Colorado is a subcity of Denver, Colorado. Such cities also contain large amounts of urban sprawl, creating large amounts of business commuters. Once a city sprawls far enough to reach another city, this region can be deemed a megalopolis, or a cluster of urban areas.

^ The definition of a Philippine city is different ;)

We actually do not need the term city in our cities...I think it would be enough to refer to them as "the city of..." apart from cities that have exactly the same name as their provinces (Cebu, Davao, Iolilo etc.)

^ The definition of a Philippine city is different ;)

id est.....?

wala lang, i was browsing through the "philippines then and now" thread and it got me thinking, some cities started out small,i mean really small, davao's downtown, for example was i think only a small fraction of what it is today..

so my question is, how did philippine cities evolve/expand?

who owned the lands that are now part of the downtowns? for sure some rich family owned the huge tracts of land surrounding the downtown, so how did the government get hold of them ? did the government buy them out and develop/subdivide them? paano po ba?

Migration is what fuels a city's increase (or decrease) in population. Also, there's this thing called Eminent Domain, I don't know if this applies to the Philippines.

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Eminent Domain (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Eminent_domain) (U.S.), compulsory purchase (United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland), resumption/compulsory acquisition (Australia) or expropriation (Canada, South Africa) in common law legal systems is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate private property, or rights in private property, without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to "public use." The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are public utilities, highways, and railroads. Some states require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.

The term expropriation as used in the law of eminent domain is not to be confused with situations in which private property is seized by revolutionary governments from its former owners and confiscated without payment. It should also be differentiated from forfeiture which is an uncompensated seizure of contraband from criminals and its confiscation by the government.

The term condemnation is used to describe the act of a government exercising its power of eminent domain to transfer title to private property from its rightful owner to itself. It is not to be confused with the same term that describes a declaration that real property, generally a building, has become so dilapidated as to be legally unfit for human habitation due to its physical defects. This type of condemnation of buildings (on grounds of health and safety hazards or gross zoning violation) usually does not deprive the owners of the title to the property condemned but requires them to rectify the offending situation or have the government do it for them and bill them for the cost.

Condemnation via eminent domain indicates the government is taking the property or an interest in it, such as an easement. In most cases the only thing that remains to be decided when a condemnation action is filed is the amount of just compensation, although in some cases the right to take may be challenged by the property owner on the grounds that the attempted taking is not for a public use, or has not been authorized by the legislature, or because the condemnor has not followed the proper procedure required by law.

The exercise of eminent domain is not limited to real property. Governments may also condemn personal property, such as supplies for the military in wartime, franchises, as well as intangible property such as contracts, patents, trade secrets and copyrights.

so paano po yun, say for example sampaloc, malamang may may ari ng mga lupa na yun? so did the government buy the whole area from the landowners tapos dinistribute to smaller lots for sale?

tapos i remember a few years ago sa register of deeds (dito sa davao) there are large tracts of land na pag-aari ng mga certain families, how did they get to own the land? i mean paano po nangyari yun? who owned them previously?

I'm not really sure on this one, but from what I understand, all territorial land is owned by the government. One is given land to own but will have to pay taxes on it. So, as per your question as to who owns it originally, I would venture a theory that it's the government's. But don't quote me on that since I'm not well versed in these things, mine is just a layman's understanding and interpretation of the law.

salamat po manong kimber :) napaisip lang kasi ako kung paano nagkaganito ang ating mga syudad

They were owned by the State or Government before then sold to those families. Those families were able to buy them by connection or they have money to buy it. Let us also not forget than they could have gotten it by inheritance. Davao was filled with coconuts/trees before and most of the cities downtown is still owned by certain families. Most of the families originally are not native to Davao but immigrants too from the Visayas and Luzon provinces.

Would you believe my great-grandfather planted coconut trees that covered Matina and areas in the downtown before? I have seen photos of GSIS/Matina where everything was coconut trees instead of houses.

;14804143']tapos i remember a few years ago sa register of deeds (dito sa davao) there are large tracts of land na pag-aari ng mga certain families, how did they get to own the land? i mean paano po nangyari yun? who owned them previously?

Hmm so sa inyo ang GSIS? :D penge naman ng lupa :D wala lang napansin ko lang sino may ari ng mga lupa before esp sa downtown kasi diba ang orig map ng davao is yung sa san pedro-bolton claveria lang? so what was the chinatown area, the quirino area and obrero area then?

how did a small time settlement like Malolos can be declared as a city? What is the requirement to change to city status in pinas?

08/16/07
No Increase on IRA for Negros Cities (http://www.negrosdaily.com/aug1607h2)

It’s like addition and subtraction.

This is going to happen on the Internal Revenue Allotment (IRA) of cities in Negros Occidental and the entire country.

Because, although the Department of Budget and Management (DBM) already announced that cities especially in Negros Occidental will receive increases in their IRA for this year, these cities will also experience reduction from their IRA as some of it will be up to 8 new cities in the country.

But Negros Occidental Acting Governor Isidro Zayco said, the League of Cities need not worry about the creation of 8 new cities because it won’t affect their IRA due to the increase that will offset the reduction. The existing cities cannot do away with it, he said.

But Zayco said after these 8 new cities, other towns wanting to become a cities may have difficulties of achieving their wishes because of the new requirement set. Under the present ruling which was proposed by Senator Aquilino “Nene” Pimentel Jr. who is also father of the Local Government Code, the new requirement for a town to become a city is to have annual local revenues of P100 million.

At present, Binalbagan, Pontevedra and Hinigaran have pending petitions to be transformed into new cities.

Zayco said, he supports the move as this would mean an increase in their IRA and to become progressive, but he would like to see these towns having P100 million local revenues. In fact, Escalante, Himamaylan and Sipalay were among those that were considered and became cities.*

I hope there'll be a TRO in transforming sleepy baranggays into cities. Seriously, the local government code needs to be reformed!

We actually do not need the term city in our cities...I think it would be enough to refer to them as "the city of..." apart from cities that have exactly the same name as their provinces (Cebu, Davao, Iolilo etc.)

yeah, i certainly agree....

i was watching tv patrol last night and it was erroneously reported that "Pateros City" under state of calamity.

well, pateros is not yet a city...

^^But it's all tricycles everywhere, no taxis. They might accuse us of a "metro-wannabe" hehehe joke!



Ciudad Villasis sounds nice hehe!

i agree... gandang pangalan!

malaki kasi population natin kaya maraming municipalities ang na-convert na city.

The second largest country in the world, Canada and the smallest continent in the world Australia ay konti mga cities kasi kokonti ang population kumpara sa Philippines.

13th largest ata tayo in the world in terms of population.:ohno:

^ Its not just about population my dear :)

It all boils down to the IRA.

With the rate that we are converting towns into cities and with the manner that local politicians are pursuing the same, there will come a time that IRA shares for cities and towns will be almost the same.

This will deprive the local leaders of their sole motivation in converting towns into cities, i.e., a bigger share of the moolah!

Until then, expect more "cities" to sprout out of the jungles of the boondocks. :D

there is even proposal now to divide northern leyte into west and east leyte and many of our congressmen is supporting it because they say it would benefit us because the new province would receive the same allocation that the province is now getting from the national government. with the creation of the new province, allocation of funds for the province by the national government would be doubled once it succeeded in becoming west and east leyte. we might end up having three province in the island (west, east, south).

^^ Same thing happened to Negros Island many years ago. There was a proposal to create Negros del Norte out of Negros Ooccidental. In the end... it never happened.

Primarily IRA as mentioned before. Plus adding "city" to the name makes the place sound progressive, even when its obviously not. Papogi points sa elected officials.

Gotta Question:

By the time I left Manila in 2002, there was only Pateros and San Juan that remains to be the lastb towns in NCR. Are there still municipalities left in MetroManila?

^ Pateros :yes:

^^ I thought Pateros too was converted a city.

Imagine, we have San Juan as city, although they may pass with income and population, but what about the area?

Kalibo in Aklan has been wanting to be a city for so long now. As according to studies made last year by UP, the city has enough income and population to be a city...The only thing that lacks them is the area, and the towns of Numancia, New Washington and Banga will not surrender some of their barangays in order for Kalibo to be a city.

^^ Pateros is the only munipality in NCR left

about Kalibo...it's got a theater, a Jollibee, etc...it's even more urbanized than Passi City in my opinion.

^^ It is. Passi became a city because of the sugar industry and of course, population, area, political will and plebicite.

In the name of IRA & politics, some towns by-pass some of the mandated requirements in order to become a city.

How about the inhabitants themselves? I don't think it's only the officials who want a bigger piece of the pie. The citizens would benefit of course if more money would be channeled to them from the national treasury. That's why more often than not, they vote for the elevation to cityhood of their municipality.

It's not only papogi for the officials. It's papogi for everyone. At least in the Philippines, the word city is synonymous to being civilized and/or progressive. To Filipinos, the word city seems to be the opposite of provincial, backward and remote. And this isn't just an opinion. It's not once that I've encountered persons who would quickly defensively retort "City yun ah..." after I've asked him or her, "Saan ang hometown mo?"

In conclusion, the transformation of a town into a city even if it's just nominal satisfies the needs of the Filipino at many levels.

just a random question.

why do we love to include City in all our cities? Do we have to constantly remind ourselves that they are cities already and not towns no more? Why? What's the pleasure with adding "City" to San Jose del Monte or Cagayan de Oro?


I just find it weird.


I don't mind people calling the city of Cebu as "Cebu City" and city of Quezon in Metro Manila as "Quezon City". Because i know they're doing that in order to distinguish them from the provinces with the same name.

Cebu City as different from Cebu Province.
Quezon City as different from Quezon
Davao City and Davao province
Zamboanga City and Zamboanga province
Batangas City and Batangas province
Cavite City and Cavite province
Iloilo City and Iloilo province
New York City and New York State
Kansas City and Kansas State
Quebec City and Quebec Province
Mexico City and Republic of Mexico


But, Legazpi City? Cagayan de Oro City? Parañaque City? Baguio City? General Santos City? Antipolo City? Pasay City? Makati City? Bacolod City? Olongapo City? Angeles City? Naga City? San Jose del Monte City? ETC CITY?

Where are your provinces?!?

Why call it Makati City when there isn't any need to distinguish it from any other province or town? it's its own name??

it's like calling LA, Los Angeles City and Chicago, Chicago City and Paris, Paris City, and Tokyo, Tokyo City and London, London City? etc etc etc city?
There is no Los Angeles City, Los Angeles State! :)

Philippine culture of idunno, social status

There are cities that share with the same name (i.e. San Fernando, Talisay, Naga etc.)

Huh? Of course I MYSELF DONT CALL MANILA as MANILA CITY?

I never called Chicago as Chicago City?
I never called Vancouver as Vancouver City?

But yea, some places in the states have "City" added to their names. But because they are either identical to a state or because they are common names.

Salt Lake City as different from just Salt (salty) Lake.
Rockport City, as different from Rockport (whats that a brand? new gadget?)
Value City, as different from Value (Value what?)
Carson City as different from Carson (either town or the person).
Jersey City as different from Jersey (clothing) or New Jersey state.
Atlantic City as different from Atlantic (ocean).
gets mo?

But Detroit, Seattle, Miami, Minneapolis, the biggest cities are never called CITY.

Bakit ba tayong mga Pilipino, e, nakikialam kung lalagyan ba ng "city" or hindi?

At bakit ba tayo nakikipag-kumpara sa ibang bansa?

Tayo ay Pilipino, isang unique na race dito sa mundo.

Bat natin kelangan maging katulad ng ibang bansa kung kaya natin maging original sa ting mga sarili?

Ano ngayon kung sa America ay hindi lahat nilalagyan ng city at tayo ay nilalagyan natin?

Mga Kano sila at tayo ay mga Pilipino. Iba tayo sa kanila.

Yan ang kulang satin eh. Magkaroon ng Identity. Palagi nalang natin kinukumpara ang mga sarili natin sa ibang tao. Kung mas maganda yung kanila, malulungkot tayo at gugustuhin tumira dun sa lugar na yun. At kung mas maganda naman ang atin kaysa sa kanila ay magyayabang lang tayo.

Ano ngayon kung ganun sila at ganito tayo?

WALA!

Sila, wag nila lagyan ng city kung ayaw nila. Tayo mahilig tayo maglagay ng city. at yan ang nagpapatibay na tayo ay mga Pilipino.

Unique tayo.

Walang katulad.:)

and so, what's the problem with having City connected to our cities?... is this coming out from a colonial mentality that we should be like what other countries do?...

I don't find it an issue to connect city in a city name...



I agree with pau_p1. Colonial mentality lang yan. Bakit nga natin kelangan makipagkumpara sa kanila kung tayo ay unique?

Ano ba tayo sa kanila? gagayahin natin lahat sila? San na ang identity natin?

We have to believe in our identity. And that what makes at Pinoy. Pinoy identity. hindi American identity na Pinoy identity.

Hindi tayo Amerikano, tayo ay Pilipino. Kaya bahala silang mga Amerikano kung ano gusto nilang ipangalan sa cities nila, tayo sarili tayong magpapangalan sa mga cities natin.

Pinoy Identity, remember it.

Bakit ba tayong mga Pilipino, e, nakikialam kung lalagyan ba ng "city" or hindi?

At bakit ba tayo nakikipag-kumpara sa ibang bansa?

Tayo ay Pilipino, isang unique na race dito sa mundo.

Bat natin kelangan maging katulad ng ibang bansa kung kaya natin maging original sa ting mga sarili?

Ano ngayon kung sa America ay hindi lahat nilalagyan ng city at tayo ay nilalagyan natin?

Mga Kano sila at tayo ay mga Pilipino. Iba tayo sa kanila.

Yan ang kulang satin eh. Magkaroon ng Identity. Palagi nalang natin kinukumpara ang mga sarili natin sa ibang tao. Kung mas maganda yung kanila, malulungkot tayo at gugustuhin tumira dun sa lugar na yun. At kung mas maganda naman ang atin kaysa sa kanila ay magyayabang lang tayo.

Ano ngayon kung ganun sila at ganito tayo?

WALA!

Sila, wag nila lagyan ng city kung ayaw nila. Tayo mahilig tayo maglagay ng city. at yan ang nagpapatibay na tayo ay mga Pilipino.

Unique tayo.

Walang katulad.:)

Please don't be too nationalistic. Well regarding your question, that just means we have low standards on what we consider a city or not. ;)

Please don't be too nationalistic. Well regarding your question, that just means we have low standards on what we consider a city or not. ;)

Agree on that. You can go to a place with a very beautiful sign board that says Welcome to the CITY of ______: (title) . . .

But when you see it, there's nothing you can truly consider urban except the city center. Just plain farmlands that contribute so much to the economy. Kalibo is not a city but it has everything, a mall (Gaisano, a Theater House, Jolibee).

I consider only Highly Urbanized Cities and other prominent cities such as Dumaguete as internationally recognized as cities. Most of these such as Iloilo, Bacolod, CDO, Gensan can already be considered small cities while Cebu City, Davao, Metro Manila can be considered medium and large metro cities. The rest need more time to grow.

No offense meant to anybody :) This is just a matter of opinion. :)

okay, gets ko point nyo hehe

Basta, let me put again the situationer of Kalibo, Aklan.

Its income is ok
Its population is ok
They are for cityhood but the thing that they lack is land area.

Has anyone been to Palayan City? The capital of Nueva Ecija? When I went here (no offense meant for NovoEcijanos) it looks like a sleepy town IMO rather than a city like Cabanatuan and San Jose (also in Nueva Ecija).

I think Palayan City was created to become a city and not converted into one....so as of now, the purpose of its creation has not been realized yet.

^^ Pero all addresses and based on NSCB states that Palayan City is a 5th Class City?

^^ Pero all addresses and based on NSCB states that Palayan City is a 5th Class City?

yeah...based on current stats, it belongs to the 5th class. It does not belong to the municipalities either because it was created under Republic Act No. 4475. (http://www.chanrobles.com/republicacts/republicactno4475.html)

^^Weird. Its a special "city".

Bakit may mga classification pa ang mga CITIES natin? Do we need to classify it since when you say a city obviously this must have its requirements as per international standard.
Imagine... 5th class City,,, wow ang baba naman. Dapat ibalik bilang Municipality. Tapos.

^^ It can drive the city to further pursue a higher status.

May categorization nga ang cities sa Pinas depende sa income I think.
May 5th hanggang 1st class tapos meron pa yang tinatawag na "highly-urbanized city" and "component city" tapos may "chartered city" pa.

Can someone in SSC define these terms? Thanks! :)

May categorization nga ang cities sa Pinas depende sa income I think.
May 5th hanggang 1st class tapos meron pa yang tinatawag na "highly-urbanized city" and "component city" tapos may "chartered city" pa.

Can someone in SSC define these terms? Thanks! :)

I think you're right, Bern. The "class" categorization is according to income.

I think the "highly urbanized" tag comes after a city reaches a certain income level and a certain population.

A "component city" is a city that is still under the jurisdiction of a province, as opposed to a "chartered city", which is independent.

Component cities vote for provincial officials, while chartered cities do not.

Hence, Passi is a component city, while Iloilo City is a chartered city and a highly-urbanized one also.

based on Wikipedia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_the_Philippines

A number of cities in the country act independently from any province and are self-governing as decreed by Philippine Law through an Act of Congress. They are classified as chartered cities. They have their own Representatives in the Congress. Examples of these are Davao City, Valenzuela City, San Jose del Monte City and Zamboanga City. A significant proportion of these chartered cities are also classified as HUCs, or Highly Urbanized Cities. Manila, Quezon City, and Davao City are examples of these cities. The second type of cities are component cities, which are part of a province and are thus governed as part of the latter. They do not have autonomy or representation in the Philippine Congress, as Chartered Cities do. They depend on their provincial government for support and representation. Examples are Tarlac City in Tarlac province, and Palayan City, in Nueva Ecija province, and Pagadian City in Zamboanga del Sur province. There are, however, some component cities that are somewhat independent, like Ormoc City in Leyte.


Income classification
Cities are classified according to average annual income based on the previous 3 calendar years. [1]

1st class - P300 million or more
2nd class - P240 million or more but less than P 300 million
3rd class - P180 million or more but less than P240 million
4th class - P120 million or more but less than P180 million
5th class - P60 million or more but less than P120 million
6th class - Below P 60 million

^^ Thanks @Sam and @Pau! :)

What is still confusing me though is about being a highly-urbanized city.
Is there a possibility that a highly-urbanized city be chartered from the province or still a component city of the province?

The case of Lapu-Lapu City is confusing me for after its residents voted "yes for highly-urbanized city", there are certain rumors that the Cebu Province will not anymore get the tax earned in Lapu-Lapu since its already a highly-urbanized area.

from Wikipedia again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_the_Philippines

Cities of the Philippines

Highly-urbanized Cities
Angeles • Bacolod • Baguio • Butuan • Cagayan de Oro • Caloocan • Cebu • Davao • General Santos • Iligan • Iloilo • Lapu-Lapu • Las Piñas • Lucena • Makati • Malabon • Mandaluyong • Mandaue • Manila • Marikina • Muntinlupa • Navotas • Olongapo • Parañaque • Pasay • Pasig • Puerto Princesa • Quezon City • San Juan • Taguig • Valenzuela • Zamboanga

Independent Component Cities
Cotabato • Dagupan • Naga (Camarines Sur) • Ormoc • Santiago

Component Cities
Alaminos • Antipolo • Bago • Bais • Balanga • Batac • Batangas • Bayawan • Baybay • Bayugan • Bislig • Bogo • Borongan • Cabadbaran • Cabanatuan • Cadiz • Calamba • Calapan • Calbayog • Candon • Canlaon • Carcar • Catbalogan • Cauayan • Cavite • Danao • Dapitan • Digos • Dipolog • Dumaguete • El Salvador • Escalante • Gapan • Gingoog •Guihulngan • Himamaylan • Iriga • Isabela • Kabankalan • Kidapawan • Koronadal • La Carlota • Laoag • Lamitan • Legazpi • Ligao • Lipa • Maasin • Malaybalay • Malolos • Marawi • Masbate • Mati • Meycauayan • Muñoz • Naga (Cebu) • Oroquieta • Ozamis • Pagadian • Palayan • Panabo • Passi • Roxas • Sagay • Samal • San Carlos (Negros Occidental) • San Carlos (Pangasinan) • San Fernando (La Union) • San Fernando (Pampanga) • San Jose • San Jose del Monte • San Pablo • Santa Rosa • Silay • Sipalay • Sorsogon • Surigao • Tabaco • Tabuk • Tacloban • Tacurong • Tagaytay • Tagbilaran • Tagum • Talisay (Cebu) • Talisay (Negros Occidental) • Tanauan • Tandag • Tangub • Tayabas • Tanjay • Tarlac • Toledo • Trece Martires • Tuguegarao • Urdaneta • Valencia • Victorias • Vigan

Yung COMPONENT CITIES ibalik na lang sa municipalities. Is this only in the Philippines who make this idea? As for me TI think no need to much categorization. Nakakagulo lang iyan. Opinion lang!!!

^^ They categorize in order where to put up the IRA. Magulo nga talaga kung iisipin.

Internationally, component cities are still considered towns. Only highly-urbanized ones are considered real cities.

^^ Thanks @Sam and @Pau! :)

What is still confusing me though is about being a highly-urbanized city.
Is there a possibility that a highly-urbanized city be chartered from the province or still a component city of the province?

The case of Lapu-Lapu City is confusing me for after its residents voted "yes for highly-urbanized city", there are certain rumors that the Cebu Province will not anymore get the tax earned in Lapu-Lapu since its already a highly-urbanized area.

imo lang. di naman siguro dapat ivote kung gawing city ang isang lugar... i mean ang authority ay dapat sa may karunungan tungkol sa urban planning etc...

nagsaysayang lang sila ng pera kung may vote2 pa eh nandyan naman yung criteria.

one more thing....bat may 6th class chrtered city pa? :lol: nakakatuwa naman... ano kaya ng ginawa nilang basis kung bait umabot pa sa 6th class...
60million? barya lang yan kei henry sy ah.

There must be classes because cities like thus are just like social climber people. Likewise i'm sure that only thus families, who are hacienderos, are the ones who can benefit from that sort of political maneuver. :ohno:

Anyway. the law regarding cityhood must be amended at all.:)

Internationally, component cities are still considered towns. Only highly-urbanized ones are considered real cities.

Correct!!!! The law must change. This people are just using the term city as a political propaganda. Even the residence in that small City do not understand the difference of their city with other Internationaly know cities. Basta ang alam nila si mayor ang nagpalakad na maging city sila kamo para lumaki ang pondo... Wow... the word pondo!!! Money!!!!

It would be better that the increased fund from the national gov't will be efficiently used at all. But I doubt thus mayors, who belong to haciendero families like in Negros Occ. and even in Davao and Caraga regions. Same also to Zubiris, who has been promoting the division of Bukidnon into two and making of Maramag into city. :ohno: :nuts:

well.. let's think about it... a city or town cannot grow without funds.... and so if your town's mayor is dreaming of opening your town to different investors to open new jobs, he has to create projects to lure them in.. and projects costs a lot... so the town needs more funds... of course cities can provide higher costs to maintain its order, cleanliness, road works, civil services for health and education, and other infrastructures... unlike towns who can remain a sleeping town with rough roads, no electricity, thus needing smaller funds....

and so if you dream the same dream as your mayor of seeing your sleepy town become the next Makati... you should really push to make your city a higher class city to gain a bigger portion of the allocated funds from the national coffers... or else just be content with poorer quality of government services...

manila is obviously fast paced....:)

makati CBD is "dead" at night starting at 10 pm and the whole of Sunday

It's the same with most CBDs. Even HK's CBDs are the same with this time. Central is practically empty after 10 except Lan Kwai Fong. On Sundays though, you got alot of Filipino amahs hanging out.

I'd say the major part of Metro Manila or rather the central areas, that is Manila, QC, South Caloocan, Pasig, Pasay, Mandaluyong, San Juan, Makati and Taguig are fast-paced being the centers of commerce....

but of course the other cities of NCR are not as fast paced as those I listed because cities in the CAMANAVA area, Las Pinas, Paranaque, Pateros, and Marikina are mostly residential districts...

but still most residents of those cities work in the central cities and even though the northernmost and southernmost MM cities experience a cooler weather or fresher air... they still go through the busy life of the metro...

there is progress in the pilipins that is why we have so many cities. :)

Faced paced in squatters (homeless people), and laid back in development

i think the whole area of Binondo has the largest concentration of branches of banks in the Philippines,even if u combine the banks located in Makati and Ortigas... every street u go there is a bank, even a small alley. That proves that even Binondo is very dirty, congested, polluted and many poor, still it is one of the CBD of the Philippines, w/o Binondo, Makati wont be there in its place now.. It still plays a major role in our country.

if only the spaniards let the chinese live in intramuros, Intramuros could be the CBD

Amswering the topic of this forum, I can only say its possible pero mahirap na. Infrastructure sure is lacking. Roads are very narrow. There are limited if none existing parking space. Pollution is almost at a murderous level. Place very near squatters area where most criminals thrive ( i know this coz i perosnally experienced criminals living there). If ever binondo is goin to be a successful cbd it will need cooperation from the local citizens and more importantly a mayor that has a vision. Unfortunately our mayor doesnt have dat. I dont think he has any plans at all for this great city. Months have past and city seems to be deteriorating. :(

Downtown New York has very narrow streets and yet Wall Street is world famous. The streets were laid out during the time of Peter Stuyvesant, the then Dutch Governor of New Amsterdam (old name of New York).

depends on where you are in the metro area, but it is generally fast-paced. In quiapo and divisoria, whew, always busy. ortigas and makati are both dead on weekends (except the the malls of course).

Rich yes , Main CBD wala na to. The relevant question is already
Can Makati keep it's lead as the premier CBD or lose it to Fort Boni.
Binondo will have it's niche with the trading and all but with more and more of the economy going above ground it will play an even smaller part of the total economy.

it's a fast paced city... for me... it depends on your job.... :D

hey. that photo is nice. but no. that's makati's crown.

big size
http://www.greatmirror.com/images/big/014376.jpg

Metro Manila is a fast-paced city. Even more fast-paced than LA, California or even Orlando, Florida. I consider LA laid-back and Orlando, to me, was really fantasy entertainment city.

Ooops. Oh oh. Am I starting a City v. City here?

^^naku ha ate lily nanggagatong ka ha :lol

MM well I can safely say after being stuck in traffic jams at 12am on many days and it's not even xmas that there surely are a lot of people out at all times of the day. There's happening 24/7 work and party (sa pinas minsam sama both kaya di umaasenso hehe). And surely there are more people out in many of the key areas at midnight than there are people in most cities in the world in daytime. I remember I picked up a girl from Hamburg from the airport at around 1030 pm once and she was amazed that there were just so many people still out and we had to wait in line at the Jollibee in the Fort! Hamburg isnt' exactly as slow paced city either.

It's fast paced of course. People moving everywhere, bustling with life. Basta yun.

i really dont know how to define fast paced in this context but people are everywhere on the streets... even at 12am to 5am! sometimes i cant sleep cause people are talking outside.... if that aint fastpaced i dont know what is.

The amount of money circulating between Binondo and Ortigas can be debatable. Ortigas is home to San Miguel, Asia Development Bank and dozens of banks and corporations. It is still the 2nd most important CBD in Metro Manila.

I guess what area51 meant to say was locally circulating money, although it is still debatable if binondo could really beat ortigas in regards to this, since ortigas malls and st francis tiangge combined definitely dwarf binondo's.

as for locally and internationally circulating money, then ortigas could probably even beat makati and binondo combined, since, by itself, ADB in ortigas deals with 6 billion $ annually in international lending. Electronically circulating money, that is.

Rich yes , Main CBD wala na to. The relevant question is already
Can Makati keep it's lead as the premier CBD or lose it to Fort Boni.
Binondo will have it's niche with the trading and all but with more and more of the economy going above ground it will play an even smaller part of the total economy.

Time will tell if it loses its position to Fort Boni. So far I mostly see condos being built there. Hardly any office buildings except those for call centres. There are not even any hotels within the Fort. Also, I find Makati more accessible compared to Fort or even Binondo. Governing Makati is another important issue. If protests continues on especially in the CBD, companies would consider leaving and relocating to new areas.

ADB may be located in Ortigas but it doesn't deal much with local transactions.

Rich yes , Main CBD wala na to. The relevant question is already
Can Makati keep it's lead as the premier CBD or lose it to Fort Boni.
Binondo will have it's niche with the trading and all but with more and more of the economy going above ground it will play an even smaller part of the total economy.

I guess Boni is the future because Makati is already overdeveloped. People usually go to newer places because they usually incorporate learnings gained from the old ones. So the newer CBDs are better than the old ones.

can binondo regain its position as the metro's CBD? possible, but very difficult. There is the problem of accessibility, for people living or working outside the city of manila, (traffic, narrow roads, vehicles parked everywhere), another is lack of parking space, then there is the general decay within and without the district, and then of course, the perception of the unabated criminal activities there (both petty and big time). this perception may or may not be correct, but this is exacerbated by the area's proximity to quiapo/sta. cruz, divisoria, port area, slum colony in every nook and cranny, pasig river at its stinkiest, ......

My sister used to play mahjong here when she was still studying at La Salle. My family used to live in this area, but I never had the chance to stay here when my father transferred to Makati.

i heard na all capital towns will be converted to cities by law. any ssc philippines forumer in government research on this. sana its anyone's wild idea only.

^ That's not true!

Di naman siguro tama na lahat ng kabiseras will be converted into towns. Only those who manifests the requirements (and hopefuly our lawmakers follow) of cityhood shall be recognized: population, land area and income.

why are there so many cities in the phils?


kasi marami na ring mcdonalds and jollibee! :lol:

yeah...based on current stats, it belongs to the 5th class. It does not belong to the municipalities either because it was created under Republic Act No. 4475. (http://www.chanrobles.com/republicacts/republicactno4475.html)

agree on that GearX.....there are cities that are created and need not go through the requirements by DILG....

these are special cities that were created for a certain purpose...

like science and tech....we have Science City of Munoz

or tourism estate.....the whole island of Samal...Island Garden City of Samal

waddya think guys?

agree on that GearX.....there are cities that are created and need not go through the requirements by DILG....

these are special cities that were created for a certain purpose...

like science and tech....we have Science City of Munoz

or tourism estate.....the whole island of Samal...Island Garden City of Samal

waddya think guys?

and because they serve a special purpose cities na sila?

like IGACOS, though tiga davao ako, i always thought nga beaches lang dyan..i dont think it deserves to be a city..kung ako lang, nasa less than 15 lang ang cities sa philippines, 4 sa mindanao, 3 sa visayas (or 5 if iba ang counting ng mandaue and lapulapu), tapos 2 sa luzon then MM cities..

^ Depende kasi 'yan sa mga leaders ninyo. If they didn't file any bill in Congress about upgrading of your status into a Highly Urbanized City then no plebiscite will happen :)

EDIT: Hindi pala. For conversion of cities into Highly Urbanized Cities, the LGU leaders immediately send the request to the President. Yung sa Congress ay para sa conversion from towns to cities pala

PGMA converts Puerto Princesa into a highly-urbanized city (http://www.gov.ph/news/default.asp?i=17468)
THURSDAY, MARCH 29, 2007 | LOCAL GOVERNMENT


President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has converted Puerto Princesa City in Palawan into a highly-urbanized city in consonance with the national government’s policy to support the initiative of local governments to become self-reliant communities and effective partners in attaining national goals.

In his regular weekly press briefing in Malacañang yesterday afternoon, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said the President effected the conversion of Puerto Princesa into a highly-urbanized city through Proclamation No. 1264 which she signed on March 26.

According to Ermita, Section 453 of the Local Government Code (LGC) of 1991 "provides that it shall be the duty of the President of the Philippines to declare a city as highly-urbanized within thirty (30) days after it shall have met the minimum requirements prescribed in Section 452 of the same Code, upon proper application therefore."

On Jan. 15, 2007, the Sangguniang Panglungsod of Puerto Princesa through its Resolution No. 614-2007 requested the President to declare the city as a highly-urbanized city.

The Office of the President conducted a thorough verification and found out that Puerto Princesa has met the minimum requirements prescribed for a city to be classified as highly-urbanized.

The LGC’s Section 452 states "that cities with a minimum population of two hundred thousand (200,000) inhabitants as certified by the National Statistics Office and with the latest income of at least Fifty Million Pesos (P50,000,000.00) based on 1991 constant prices as certified by the City Treasurer, shall be classified as highly-urbanized cities."

"Whereas, it is a declared policy of the government to support local governments’ initiative to attain their fullest development as self-reliant communities and make them more effective partners in the attainment of national goals," the President said in the proclamation.

The proclamation also provides that Puerto Princesa City will legally be declared as a highly-urbanized city only upon ratification through a plebiscite by the qualified voters of the city.

The rules and regulations implementing the LGC of 1991 state the following procedures:

a. Resolution – The interested city shall submit to the Office of the President of the Philippines a resolution of its Sanggunian adopted by a majority of its members in a meeting duly called for the purpose, and approved and endorsed by the city mayor. Said resolution shall be accompanied by a certification as to income and population.

b. Declaration of Conversion – Within thirty (30) days from receipt of such resolution, the President of the Philippines shall, after verifying that the income and population requirements have been met, declare the city as highly-urbanized.

c. Plebiscite – Within one hundred twenty (120) days from the declaration of the President of the Philippines or as specified in the declaration, the Commission on Elections (Comelec) shall conduct a plebiscite in the city proposed to be converted. Such plebiscite shall be preceded by a comprehensive information campaign to be conducted by the Comelec with the assistance of national and local government officials, media, non-government organizations and other interested parties.

i really dont know how to define fast paced in this context but people are everywhere on the streets... even at 12am to 5am! sometimes i cant sleep cause people are talking outside.... if that aint fastpaced i dont know what is.

I live in San Jose, Ca., the heart of Silicon Valley, and compared to Manila, San Jose is like the probinsiya. Manila is definitely fast paced. I was there in 2001, and i rmember getting hungry around 3 am. I went out wlking to look for hot pan de sal and bbq chken. I didn't have to look far. Manila is a 24/7 city.

^^so true.

I spoke to a cab driver this week. He said he's very thankful to call centers. Since they have employees coming in and out at different shifts, some clocking in and out by the hour, they have given taxis non-stop oppurtunities to get riding customers. Many of the BPO centers operate 24/7 so Makati, Libis, Ortigas and Alabang wouldn't be desserted even at weekends.

I'd say pretty fast but not as rushed as Seoul or Tokyo. Pinoy society is more forgiving, less stringent so it somehow slows the pace down.

;15725283']and because they serve a special purpose cities na sila?

like IGACOS, though tiga davao ako, i always thought nga beaches lang dyan..i dont think it deserves to be a city..kung ako lang, nasa less than 15 lang ang cities sa philippines, 4 sa mindanao, 3 sa visayas (or 5 if iba ang counting ng mandaue and lapulapu), tapos 2 sa luzon then MM cities..

Also to address the purpose, they are made into cities. Remember, with city status comes greater spending power.

Antipolo is still a component city despite having a population of more than 470,000 (2000 census) and with an annual income of P953,842,296.49 (2006, taken from the Antipolo City Website) and a land area of 306.10 Sq.km(wikipedia).

Siguro, at the end of 2007 fiscal year, Antipolo would be earning no less than P1 billion a year and the population would have reached 600,000

Eh mas mayaman pa at mas malaki (population wise) ang Antipolo kesa sa Puerto Princessa, but yet the city in Palawan was declared a Highly Urbanized City. Kelan kaya ang Antipolo? How about Cainta and Taytay? These towns are also qualified to be Highly Urbanized Cities as well.

In a document I read before, Taytay earned 120,000,000 during 2005 and has a population of 198,000 in 2000. Roughly the same figures applies for Cainta.

These towns should be cities instead of some small towns somewhere.

Wow! Antipolo is set to breach the Php 1B mark pala this year! What are the perks for being declared an HUC?

Antipolo should really be developed into a tourist or recreation city since it is so near and so accessible to the Metro. I saw the map of Rizal and Antipolo is huge... it occupies almost a third of the whole province.

Basta, let me put again the situationer of Kalibo, Aklan.

Its income is ok
Its population is ok
They are for cityhood but the thing that they lack is land area.

Has anyone been to Palayan City? The capital of Nueva Ecija? When I went here (no offense meant for Novo Ecijanos) it looks like a sleepy town IMO rather than a city like Cabanatuan and San Jose (also in Nueva Ecija).

Some Kalibo folks I spoke to said there were talks to merge Kalibo and New Washington to qualify for the land area requirement. That would seem like a good idea since New Washington has the seaport to complement Kalibo's airport. (New Washinton peepz: Is it true they are moving the seaport from Caticlan to focus on New Washington?) However, New Washington folks are not amenable to the merger. They would lose their identity and I'm pretty sure the politicos are against this because instead of a separate set of government officials for the two towns, there would just be one.

Some sectors in Kalibo aren't so keen about the rise in taxes should their town be raised to cityhood.

if only the spaniards let the chinese live in intramuros, Intramuros could be the CBD

well that would have ruined the purpose of the walls.

possibly, it could be a main CBD, but the main CBD (indicating that is it the sole, top, highest-level business area).... that's unlikely. I think what we'll see in the future, following the Makati vs. Ortigas in the 1990s is that there will be multiple CBDs in the Metro - and this is good. To have every business located in one area is negative for traffic, and our current rail system cannot hold it. However having multiple CBDs will spread out the businesses across the Metro, meaning that people will have to commute less

^^ yeah, I use to walk around makati around 2 am or so, everytime I pass by buildings with call centers in them, the agents would be out in hordes, smoking, drinking coffee and all that,... plus all the stores we're open, no need to look far, if you want burger and fries...

^^still the same situation right now. it's actually even rampant. parang kahit saang sulok merong mga call center agents.

I believe that binondo can make it as a CBD Again, remember New York was 1st CBD and Still CBD today even the traffic was heavy.
it' only the matter how the leadership and Courage to rebuild the Binondo as a CBD.

:nuts: :ohno: I doubt if Binondo could regian its former status!

Underground economy okey pa!

It can hehehehe....:lol::bash:

It can pero madaming problems ! Example the old Architectural grandure will never be restored by any administration!

:ohno:Halos wala nang old colonial buildings diyan sa Binondo , Divisoria area .

:banana:Kaya nga habang may natitira pang old buildings diyan ay kunan na ng mga pictures at baka mamaya ay mawala na!

Thanks to development and Buhayin ang Maynila. Ewan ko ngayon kasi iba na ang programa

LIM - Linisin Ibangon ang Maynila platform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Lim

He took his oath of office on June 30, 2007. Under the governance slogan "Linisin, Ibangon (ang) Maynila" (Clean, Uplift Manila, hence the acronym LIM), he is currently assisted by Manila vice mayor Isko Moreno, who beat Lim's running mate Joey Hizon. Moreno ran with Danny Lacuna, a former Manila vice mayor.

In Lim's most dramatic move after he assumed office, he gave the go-signal for the removal of informal settlers in Quiapo, Manila's notorious “Little Vietnam”. The eviction will start of July 6, 2007, after a dialogue with imams (religious leaders) and village leaders who signified their approval, to clean the area of alleged killings and illegal drug activities. Meanwhile, Canadian Ambassador Peter Sutherland, said his government already had a number of programs for Muslims in Mindanao. Lim stated that "he would also make representations at the Supreme Court to see if a Sharia court could be established in the city, where 4,000 families lived in the Islamic Center alone".[1]On July 13, 2007, Lim rejected the designation of Rosales as Manila police chief and ordered current MPD director Senior Superintendent Danilo Abarzosa to remain at his post.[2]

PNP chief Director General Oscar Calderon (July 16) asked Lim to recall his "open-Mendiola" policy to prevent militants from marching there. PNP would recommend having protesters take their rallies to freedom parks. Upon assuming his post last June 30, Lim ended the ban on Mendiola by his predecessor Jose Atienza Jr., later modifiying the policy by allowing rallies at Mendiola on weekends and holidays. Calderon warned that if Lim will not change his position, the PNP will enforce the "no permit, no rally" policy.[3]Lim formally reopened (July 14) the portion of Avenida Street to traffic, some years after Atienza Jr. blocked it off in favor of pedestrians. There were no traffic lights or signs, or traffic aides to guide motorists, pedestrians and commuters (the new traffic scheme in the Sta. Cruz district in downtown Manila) except for concrete barriers of the MMDA. Neither were there pedestrian lanes or traffic signs urging motorists and drivers to slow down at intersections.[4]

Lim also ordered the removal of all business establishments, including bars and restaurants, in the Baywalk area along Roxas Boulevard (also another Atienza project) in an attempt to make the area a wholesome park for everyone, with an unobstructed view of the famed Manila sunset. A reason for this move is because many of these establishments have no business permits and were selling liquor, which is a violation of applicable city ordinances. [5]

ewan... dati Buhayin ang MayniLA ni Atienza. Ngayon naman Linisin, Ibangon ang Maynila ni Lim. Puwede bang patayin ang maynila na lang para maiba? Iba ata kasi ang konsepto ng buhayin at linisin sa 2 mayor na ito eh. Kabaliw. :crazy:

Tama lng ginawa ni Mayor Lim sa Manila tulad nyan lininis ang baywalk pinamumugaran na kasi ng mga iilang prosti... at mga inuman which is the youth influenze lalo uminom at minsan bulgaran pa.

pag titingin ka sa Manila Bay para sa Sunset view nakaharang ang mga upuan nila kasi nga set up na sila. di na nagiging wholesome ang Baywalk noon. Ngayon Malinis na at kaakit-akit kahit mapadaan ka lng sa Roxas Blvd kitang kita mo na agad ang ganda ng manila Bay di tulad dati nakaharang ang mga establishment na yan.

Try nyo pumunta ulit sa Baywalk napakaganda na kahit sa gabi, Try it ma-enjoy nyo na lalo. picture ko minsan pag baba ko ng Manila ulit.

:bash: Let us balance the whole idea BayWalk is a different story puntahan iyan ng mga tao , Pero madaming local code ang na-violate during the time of thn Mayor Atienza like public drinking at madaming tao ang nasasagasaan diyan.

:bash:Livelihood is another story .

^^ Iba naman ang case ng Binondo , I actually lived there in my pre-school days . Noon people can walk there even at 9 or 10 pm without being the victims of crimes and kidnappings ! Pero madami akong alam na mga residents ngayon ang hindi na lumalabas after 7 or 8pm , sabi nila mataas na daw ang kriminalidad sa area na iyan .

:bash: Let us balance the whole idea BayWalk is a different story puntahan iyan ng mga tao , Pero madaming local code ang na-violate during the time of thn Mayor Atienza like public drinking at madaming tao ang nasasagasaan diyan.

:bash:Livelihood is another story .

^^ Iba naman ang case ng Binondo , I actually lived there in my pre-school days . Noon people can walk there even at 9 or 10 pm without being the victims of crimes and kidnappings ! Pero madami akong alam na mga residents ngayon ang hindi na lumalabas after 7 or 8pm , sabi nila mataas na daw ang kriminalidad sa area na iyan .

Isa yan sa dahilan kung bakit hindi na ganun ka-importante ang Binondo kung ikumpara mo sa Makati.

Safety? Makati is safe, in fact one of the safest places in Metro Manila. You can walk around the CBD without worrying about your personal safety. It is the same with other CBDs such as Ortigas.

Isa yan sa dahilan kung bakit hindi na ganun ka-importante ang Binondo kung ikumpara mo sa Makati.

Safety? Makati is safe, in fact one of the safest places in Metro Manila. You can walk around the CBD without worrying about your personal safety. It is the same with other CBDs such as Ortigas.

:ohno:Yung isang philatelist member namin sa stamp club which was walking near Masangkay tapos may umakbay sa kanya at tinutukan ng patalim noong nakuha ang pera sa kanya itinulak pa siya sa creek .

:nuts: Chinatown is very gloomy nowadays, When a group of student from University of the East and I went in an impromptu history walking tour sobrang dilim diyan sa area na iyan , It was just past 7pm pero iba na ang feelings namin. The streets were Benavidez, Tomas Mapua , Dasmarinas , Raon este Gonzalo Puyat .

binondo would be extremely difficult to fix because streets are too narrow, and so are the sidewalks. Most of the buildings there don't even comply with city code by encroaching on what should be the sidewalk. Maraming kailangan gibain para gumanda iyang area na iyan.

binondo would be extremely difficult to fix because streets are too narrow, and so are the sidewalks. Most of the buildings there don't even comply with city code by encroaching on what should be the sidewalk. Maraming kailangan gibain para gumanda iyang area na iyan.

Di namn kelangan mag giba para gumanda ang daan, Ok na un ang kelangan lng maayos na daanan at pababain ng malaki ang crime sa Manila para mag-Boom na ulit anyway ang makati medyo nasira dahil sa glorietta bombing :ohno:

binondo would be extremely difficult to fix because streets are too narrow, and so are the sidewalks. Most of the buildings there don't even comply with city code by encroaching on what should be the sidewalk. Maraming kailangan gibain para gumanda iyang area na iyan.

:nuts: Old residents would recall that there are several old American and Spanish style houses in Chinatown and in Divisoria area but most of those old Houses were demolished to paved way to highrise condominium towers ! When i was living in Chinatown several years back ,I could still see some old houses in the street but now all are gone!

Di namn kelangan mag giba para gumanda ang daan, Ok na un ang kelangan lng maayos na daanan at pababain ng malaki ang crime sa Manila para mag-Boom na ulit anyway ang makati medyo nasira dahil sa glorietta bombing :ohno:

Mahirap sabihin kung bombing ang nangyari kasi walang ebidensya na may mga bomb components. Paano kung major industrial accident ang nangyari?

Anyway, the blast took place in a shopping centre and not within the CBD area where the offices are located.

Alot of shit has happened in Makati like coup attempts, rallies, etc. But it's still the prime CBD in Metro Manila. And if I live in Manila and run a business here, I would still pick Makati and possibly Ortigas then have an office in Binondo.

If you will se the trend of the people is to go to public parks and SM MOA after the Glorietta blast and a minor fire last week

When I see it, I look at the cities within the whole National Capital Region simply as Manila or better, Metro Manila. This includes the cities of Makati, Quezon City, Paranaque, etc.

I find it confusing when you have alot of independent cities each with their own mayor, their own set of rules, etc.

Its now like in New York where you have 5 boroughs or in Tokyo where you have several wards. But despite of that, areas like Brooklyn or The Bronx are considered NY or wards such as Shinjuku-ku or Minato-ku as Tokyo.

Or even HK where you have HK Island, Kowloon, The New Territories, etc. People would say Kowloon is part of HK or whatsoever.

But alot of locals living in other cities within Metro Manila are denying that they are part of Manila and rather be independent. Like those in Quezon City would say they are from Q.C. and not Manila or those in San Juan would claim their own city despite these cities belonging to the Metro Manila area.

It can go to extreme when people complained that the Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier match should be called "Thrilla in Quezon City" and not "Thrilla in Manila" which I think is B.S! Or those who would say Makati is the financial capital of The Philippines instead of financial capital of Manila.

Having too many independent cities within Metro Manila can have its advantages and disadvantages. But it can create chaos especially in urban planning and confusion to those who are not from the Metro.

What do you think? Does it help having too many independent cities within Metro Manila? Or should there be a union and present Metro Manila as a whole. Should these cities instead acts as boroughs, wards, arrondisment or whatever you call it?

BTW,

Skyscraperpage would have skyline diagrams with independent cities such as Makati and Pasig instead of a unifying content like those of Tokyo or Jakarta.

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?10=5

On the other hand, The World's Best Skyline site would have a unifying diagram for Metro Manila

http://homepages.ipact.nl/~egram/skylines.html

Well even if Metro Manila is divided into several cities, all their mayors still coordinate with each other through the Metro Manila Development Authority.

But still, I would want all the MM cities to just merge into one megacity. ;)

Well even if Metro Manila is divided into several cities, all their mayors still coordinate with each other through the Metro Manila Development Authority.

But still, I would want all the MM cities to just merge into one megacity. ;)

But not all mayors would want to coordinate with The MMDA say Makati's mayor for example. Ironically, The MMDA HQ is located in Makati.

As Metro Manila, it is already one megacity. Again, the only problem is how each of these cities would rather be recognized independently.

no Legislator would file a bill that would merge the whole metro manila as one LGU. and this is because of politcal reasons.

Imagine, a city of 15M people, having an elected Governor.....

That Governor would likely be the next President of the Republic. =)

^^ Nice point! :okay:

well.. I agree that putting up a governor of Manila is a good idea.. to have a unified plan of the metro... though MMDA sort of acts like that...

when I read if it really help to have the whole metro having a number of independent cities, i've said yes because they all attract commerce to the region compared to a lone independent city...

well.. I agree that putting up a governor of Manila is a good idea.. to have a unified plan of the metro... though MMDA sort of acts like that...

when I read if it really help to have the whole metro having a number of independent cities, i've said yes because they all attract commerce to the region compared to a lone independent city...

It was not uncommon for the MMDA chair and the city mayors to clash in the past. That can be a stumbling to the implementation of a unified regulation and vision for Metro Manila.

Is it not obvious that having a single and unified body that will oversee the welfare of the whole metropolis is WAY BETTER than having different component cities? Having too many independent cities is just bs. It will be inevitable to have different styles of leadership and interests among different mayors. This is surely a hindrance in implemention of policies. I haven't even talked about the policy-making process in the metropolis which takes forever to craft because there are just too many of them bickering against each other. We may have a single body to administer certain services in the metro but it is basically useless. You see, these different cities are already interconnected with each other to a point that a single phenomena in a certain place affects the whole of the metro. And another point is that certain aspects in public services such as traffic management, waste management, crime, etc are also interconnected with each other. So, therefore, it needs a more powerful and effective body to ensure that these are well coordinated. Unfortunately, in our case, the MMDA is basically a useless body of bickering mayors who could not have a unified stand in certain issues which immediately affects the delivery of services in the metro.

Why shouldn't we just form a new autonomous region that would oversee the welfare of Metro Manila citizens?

With regards to the issue of the governorship as a training ground for presidential wannabes, it depends on the voters and not on the position nor the office. If the governor is good, I could not see any reason why he could not be voted as President. And besides, can you see any governor in other provinces who are using their position and office as a training ground for the presidency?

conurbation [kon-er-bey-shuhn]

–noun. An extensive urban area resulting from the expansion of several cities or towns so that they coalesce but usually retain their separate identities.

-noun. A predominantly urban region including adjacent towns and suburbs; a metropolitan area.

-noun. An aggregation or continuous network of urban communities.

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The first definition is what aptly describes Metro Manila. :okay:

conurbation [kon-er-bey-shuhn]

–noun. An extensive urban area resulting from the expansion of several cities or towns so that they coalesce but usually retain their separate identities.

-noun. A predominantly urban region including adjacent towns and suburbs; a metropolitan area.

-noun. An aggregation or continuous network of urban communities.

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The first definition is what aptly describes Metro Manila. :okay:
That is true, but then wouldn't Metro Manila at present be comparable to the Klang valley in Malaysia, or the Thames valley region in the UK, which are made up of scattered cities and their environs? One would have thought that by terming the NCR as "Metropolitan Manila", it would allude to it being in essence "Manila plus its Metropolitan/Greater area", in pretty much the same way as the other world urban Metropolises work. Interestingly enough, the whole Metropolitan areas of London and Tokyo (population figures for both at roughly 12-14 million) have one single elected mayor/governor.

New York city is the closest comparable example to Metro Manila, comprising of 5 areas that are politically cities, yet in reality they are referred to as "boroughs of New York city", as opposed to being seen as independent cities in their own right, are under the New York city mayor, and omitting the "city" tag after their names. In reality when considering MM, there is much more political fragmentation in contrast to other Metro urban areas worldwide. I would definately call for unificatoin of the Metro for the reasons WANCH listed :banana:

That is true, but then wouldn't Metro Manila at present be comparable to the Klang valley in Malaysia, or the Thames valley region in the UK, which are made up of scattered cities and their environs? One would have thought that by terming the NCR as "Metropolitan Manila", it would allude to it being in essence "Manila plus its Metropolitan/Greater area", in pretty much the same way as the other world urban Metropolises work. Interestingly enough, the whole Metropolitan areas of London and Tokyo (population figures for both at roughly 12-14 million) have one single elected mayor/governor.

New York city is the closest comparable example to Metro Manila, comprising of 5 areas that are politically cities, yet in reality they are referred to as "boroughs of New York city", as opposed to being seen as independent cities in their own right, are under the New York city mayor, and omitting the "city" tag after their names. In reality when considering MM, there is much more political fragmentation in contrast to other Metro urban areas worldwide. I would definately call for unificatoin of the Metro for the reasons WANCH listed :banana:

I'm not an expert with NY's planning. But from what I know, it has one mayor (Bloomberg). But each of NY's boroughs have a borough president. Each of NY's boroughs are also of seperate counties. Manhattan for example is New York County while Brooklyn is Kings County.

Tokyo is kinda similar to Metro Manila. The city is divided to 23 municipalities or wards each with their own mayor. But despite of this, the city has a governor to run the whole metropolis. And each of the wards are identified with Tokyo rather than their own names.

Ex - Shibuya, Tokyo, not Shibuya, Japan.

Metro Los Angeles is like Manila having one main city (LA) and several smaller cities such as Beverly Hills, Glendale, Santa Monica, etc. The metro area includes those of LA, Orange, San Bernardino and Ventura Counties.

Another smaller case would be that of The San Francisco Bay Area. You have SF as the main city and neighbouring cities such as Oakland, Berkeley, San Jose, etc.

But in both areas, LA and SF serve as the main economic and cultural hub.

The case is different with Metro Manila. In fact when I see it, the centre of economic and to some extent, political activities are outside The City of Manila.

Alot of government offices are located in Quezon City. Even the HQ of The Philippine National Police is located there. The Senate have their offices in Pasay. Business and financial activities are mostly concentrated in Makati and Ortigas which is shared by both Mandaluyong and Pasig.

Manila despite being the capital and where the President lives/works is more of a tourism and historic core. Yes the BSP have their HQ their but their printing place is in Q.C.

The only advantage for Metro Manila is The MMDA but one problem is some mayors refused to cooperate and setup their own rules.

This only leads to chaos.

Why not Metro Manila do it like Tokyo having Makati or Paranaque act as wards.

^^ Hm, interesting... Wasn't Metro Manila considered as a "provincial unit" before with Imelda Marcos as the governor? I wonder why that grouping disintegrated and in its place rose the MMDA? Could government have had more teeth if that political division was retained? :dunno:

^^ Hm, interesting... Wasn't Metro Manila considered as a "provincial unit" before with Imelda Marcos as the governor? I wonder why that grouping disintegrated and in its place rose the MMDA? Could government have had more teeth if that political division was retained? :dunno:

From what I know, there wasn't any Metro Manila at that time. Manila, Quezon City and Pasay were independent cities that time. The other cities that within Metro Manila were part of Rizal Province especially Pasig since thats where Rizal's capitol is located.

From Wikipedia

In 1901, the Philippine Assembly created the City of Manila composed of the Municipalities of Ermita, Intramuros or Imperial City of Manila, Tondo, Santa Cruz, Sta. Ana, San Nicolas, San Miguel, Paco, Port Area, Pandacan, Sampaloc, Quiapo, Binondo and others. Some Assemblymen included the municipalities of Caloocan, Marikina, Pasig, Parañaque, Malabon, Navotas, San Juan, Makati, Mandaluyong (San Felipe Neri), Las Piñas, Muntinglupa and Taguig-Pateros to a new province named Rizal. The capital of the province was Pasig.

In 1941 as an emergency measure, President Manuel L. Quezon created the City of Greater Manila, merging the city and municipal governments of Manila, Quezon City, San Juan del Monte, Caloocan, etc. and appointing Jorge Vargas as Mayor. Existing mayors of the included cities and municipalities served as vice-mayors for their areas. This was in order to ensure Vargas, who was Quezon's principal lieutenant for administrative matters, would have a position of authority that would be recognized under international military law. There were doubts if the Japanese Imperial Army poised to occupy Manila would recognize the authorities of members of the Quezon cabinet. The City of Greater Manila was abolished by the Japanese with the formation of the Philippine Executive Commission to govern the occupied regions of the country. As an administrative concept, however, the City of Greater Manila served as a model for Metro Manila and the position of Metro Manila governor established during the Marcos administration.

In 1976, owing a great respect to the history of Manila, President Ferdinand Marcos issued Presidential Decree 824, creating the Metropolitan Manila Area. The site of the old province of Manila can no longer be used for agricultural purposes and therefore the term 'province' is not applicable. The decree seceded the 12 municipalities and 2 cities of Rizal, the municipality of Valenzuela in Bulacan, Quezon City and Manila. The Metropolitan Manila Commission is created to administer the emerging metropolis. Marcos appointed his wife Imelda Marcos as governor of Metro Manila.

In 1986, after a major government reorganization, President Corazon Aquino issued Executive Order No. 392 and changed the structure of the Metropolitan Manila Commission and renamed it to Metropolitan Manila Authority. Metro Manila Mayors chose from themselves as chair of the agency.

In 1995, through Republic Act 7924, Metro Manila Authority was reorganized and became the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority. The chair of the agency is appointed by the President and should not have a concurrent elected position such as mayor.

^^yes. that's true before 1976. On that year, MM was created and FM appointed his wife, IRM to be the governor of the new Metropolitan Manila. According to wiki, 12 municipalities and 2 cities (Pasay and Kaloocan) were taken from Rizal, one from Bulacan (Valenzuela) plus independent cities of QC and Manila. Actually this was just based on the Spanish-era territory of Manila, which was a province at that time. Actually, some parts before like Rodriguez in Rizal were not included in the present set-up. Manila was treated like a corporation or an independent commission

^^yes. that's true before 1976. On that year, MM was created and FM appointed his wife, IRM to be the governor of the new Metropolitan Manila. According to wiki, 12 municipalities and 2 cities (Pasay and Kaloocan) were taken from Rizal, one from Bulacan (Valenzuela) plus independent cities of QC and Manila. Actually this was just based on the Spanish-era territory of Manila, which was a province at that time. Actually, some parts before like Rodriguez in Rizal were not included in the present set-up.

And it might change in the future since Manila's metro area is getting bigger. The areas of Bulacan, Rizal, Cavite and Laguna that are close to Metro Manila are becoming urban. In fact Laguna for example has a suburban feel than rural especially those within the SLEX.

^^yeah. Laguna is exactly like how Paranaque and Las Pinas were in the 70's and 80's and even in the early 90's. After 10 more years, that place inc. Cavite, Rizal, and Bulacan would completely become urban. Spill-over of welath is nice. We might just imitate the Tokyo corridor.

^^yeah. Laguna is exactly like how Paranaque and Las Pinas were in the 70's and 80's and even in the early 90's. After 10 more years, that place inc. Cavite, Rizal, and Bulacan would completely become urban. Spill-over of welath is nice. We might just imitate the Tokyo corridor.

That's one of the reasons why Filinvest Corporate City was developed, to act as a business and financial hub for Southern Metro Manila and neighbouring cities/town of Laguna and Cavite.

When I see it, there is more economic and industrial development happening with the Laguna and Cavite provinces.

The nearby towns of Rizal such as Cainta or Taytay though is not benifiting as much compared to those of Laguna/Cavite. One of the reasons is poor infrastructure especially roads. Traffic can be a serious problem here especially The Ortigas Ave. extention. My dad's cousin reconsidered buying property here because of that and decided to buy in Laguna.

^^yes, going to Rizal is such a mess both in Shaw Ave or in Marcos Hi-way. It's such I mess. I hope the government could finish extending lrt 2 to rizal and make an LRT line in Shaw Ave. Those places are always congested.

I see that you're now in Manila. Are you in vacation?

That's one of the reasons why Filinvest Corporate City was developed, to act as a business and financial hub for Southern Metro Manila and neighbouring cities/town of Laguna and Cavite.

When I see it, there is more economic and industrial development happening with the Laguna and Cavite provinces.

The nearby towns of Rizal such as Cainta or Taytay though is not benifiting as much compared to those of Laguna/Cavite. One of the reasons is poor infrastructure especially roads. Traffic can be a serious problem here especially The Ortigas Ave. extention. My dad's cousin reconsidered buying property here because of that and decided to buy in Laguna.

Cainta and Taytay aren't doing very badly though I agree with you that they could realize their greater potentials with improved infrastructure. Accessibility to these eastern towns is better if you take Marcos Highway rather than Ortigas Avenue. The Soliven Center is also vibrant with the Sta. Lucia East Grandmall and Robinson's East as some of its big places of commerce. A new SM Mall is at the works in Taytay. Antipolo would soon surpass the 1-billion city income mark.

The LRT Purple Line only extends up to Santolan. When plans push through, the extension of the line to Antipolo would be a blessing for the eastern towns.

Does anyone remember the Metro Quezon proposal of former Mayor Simon of Quezon City? The idea was to split up Quezon City into seven smaller cities. He reasoned out that such a move would provide Quezon City with better governance since it would have seven mayors and seven city engineers to oversee it. It also included plans of making a town in Quezon Province (was it Lucena? or Real?) as its seaport and Rizal the agricultural base. This was his platform when he ran for the office of mayos against Mathay. The plan fizzled out of course since he lost in that mayoralty race.

Another proposal was filed by a representative to Congress (was it Daza?). This was for Quezon City to bolt out of the present Metro Manila set-up and carve a new Metro Quezon with Marikina and Antipolo.

^^That Daza proposal is ridiculous. MM is already small area to start with in comparison with other metropolises in the world. That plan of Mayor Simon is a recycled one. Imelda has already envisioned it when she was MM's governor. Unfortunately though, it was not implemented because of the lack of funds

City of San Fernando or San Fernando City?

By Albert B. Lacanlale (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2007/11/03/news/city.of.san.fernando.or.san.fernando.city..html)
Sun.Star

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO -- Is the dateline of this story the right title for this component city?

This question seemed to have resurfaced as confusion on the real title of Pampanga's second city vis-à-vis its namesake in the province of La Union persists, prompting the Pampanga Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PamCham) to revisit the charters that converted the two former municipalities into cities.

PamCham executive director Joyce Duldulao said the city in La Union is named "City of San Fernando", which was created by virtue of Republic Act (RA) 8509, sponsored by La Union first district Representative Victor Ortega, signed by then President Fidel Ramos on February 13, 1998 and ratified by the residents via plebiscite on March 20, 1998.

Interestingly though, the country's 99th city in Pampanga was also named "City of San Fernando" in RA 8990, a charter for the city authored by then congressman now San Fernando Mayor Oscar Rodriguez.

The Pampanga capital city's charter, however, was not ratified until February 2001, three years after La Union City was created.

In practice, however, most people refer to La Union City as "San Fernando City." But the local government's official seal, including the signage at City Hall, bear the name "City of San Fernando."

Duldulao said La Union City officials may have gone with the common practice of placing the word "city" after the actual name of the locality, such as Parañaque City, Quezon City, Olongapo City, Angeles City and others, even after the charter has been made.

While others tend to indicate the name of the province after the city to distinguish one over the other, some correspondence have addresses with only the name of the city mentioned. The zip codes, which are also important in the orderly delivery of mails, are oftentimes neglected.

Confusion as regards the names of places usually lead to the delay in the delivery of important documents sent through the posts.

PamCham, Duldulao said, may seek the assistance of congressmen to find the best way to solve the name impasse.

Some Kalibo folks I spoke to said there were talks to merge Kalibo and New Washington to qualify for the land area requirement. That would seem like a good idea since New Washington has the seaport to complement Kalibo's airport. (New Washinton peepz: Is it true they are moving the seaport from Caticlan to focus on New Washington?) However, New Washington folks are not amenable to the merger. They would lose their identity and I'm pretty sure the politicos are against this because instead of a separate set of government officials for the two towns, there would just be one.

Some sectors in Kalibo aren't so keen about the rise in taxes should their town be raised to cityhood.

Not just New Washington but Numancia as well. Kalibo's downtown sits on the eastern banks of Aklan River and crossing the bridge will bring you already to another town which is Numancia.

^^yes, going to Rizal is such a mess both in Shaw Ave or in Marcos Hi-way. It's such I mess. I hope the government could finish extending lrt 2 to rizal and make an LRT line in Shaw Ave. Those places are always congested.

I see that you're now in Manila. Are you in vacation?'

I was but for both vacation and business. I also went to my dad's hometown of Olongapo. I'm in KL now and will be flying back to HK this thurs.

Anyway yes I find it rediculous of setting up a Metro Quezon. It's pure BS and hopefully that won't happen.

sorry to intrude...

Quezon city is the richest local government unit in metro manila and its the largest city at that. but i guess you already know that. imho, creating a metro quezon should be considered as a good idea. Why? Even if quezon city leaves the metropolitan manila it would still stand on its own, taking note of the premise of the thread as metro manila with independent cities. and i guess since qc is the richest city, then marikina and antipolo would benefit from it. also, belmonte do not work well with binay and i believe he could be working better with the marikina and antipolo mayors. so, making a metro quezon is not a bad idea at all though it has been heard of, with no development on the issue, for years. i just do hope, they think of a better name.

lastly, regarding the main topic. i think its not a good idea to have just one mayor. Why? the lack of competition between cities would make the growth of the mega metro manila city slower. think of the game sim city for example, there would be a time in the game that the city fails to thrive. why? because everything is perfect, no flaws in its design; but consequently no growth ensues. still in the game - but if you make an adjacent city wherein everything seems to be imperfect, then the prior city you made will soon begin to thrive.

so you see, the competition helps, envy is a very human driving force for progress. when makati felt that they are threatened by qc's commerce, they proposed fort bonifacio (even if BGC was awarded to Taguig due to political reason).

No legislator in his right mind would make Metro Manila as one entity, the Mayor or the Governor of "Metro Manila" a local government with 14 million population would likely be the next President of the Republic

^^then what? suffer the hell that is metro manila?

^^yeah. Laguna is exactly like how Paranaque and Las Pinas were in the 70's and 80's and even in the early 90's. After 10 more years, that place inc. Cavite, Rizal, and Bulacan would completely become urban. Spill-over of welath is nice. We might just imitate the Tokyo corridor.

well wealth is trickling, and the garbage and urbanity is spilling. Notice the difference.

I actually think a Tokyo corridor would be horrible. I look at what has happened in the super Sydney urban area, and the widespread suburbanism is horrible, and that is what Metro Manila could be heading for. Many will move out into the fringes of MM looking for larger houses and the respite from intense traffic and noise. That is what my family did back in 1995 when we moved to Paranaque, this was pre-Skyway, pre-SM Bicutan, pre-Filinvest Mall. As we saw, our neighbors didn't get richer, we didn't get any richer, our houses didn't get 3rd or 4th floors, and it was only around 2000-01 when our area got water from the pipes.

To some extent decentralization has worked - new developments sprouting as their own, but really only if it is near the existing- BGC i sone great example. Filinvest has well.... lived but has not boomed.

Metro Manila should stay as separate identities, but this should not mean cooperate should be ignored. The problem is the mayors probably see the MMDA as their power being diluted. So to answer the question - no I don't think it helps in terms of solving MM's large problems, but each city does have its own backyard to worry about, and if it is given to just one authority it could mean more issues will be ignored.

Metro Manila should stay as separate identities, but this should not mean cooperation should be ignored --- but each city does have its own backyard to worry about, and if it is given to just one authority it could mean more issues will be ignored.

Exactly what i mean. more issues will be ignored if there is only one who will dominate. Unless, the leader is like the Borg... because you know, resistance is futile! hehe... :lol:

sorry to intrude...

Quezon city is the richest local government unit in metro manila and its the largest city at that. but i guess you already know that. imho, creating a metro quezon should be considered as a good idea. Why? Even if quezon city leaves the metropolitan manila it would still stand on its own, taking note of the premise of the thread as metro manila with independent cities. and i guess since qc is the richest city, then marikina and antipolo would benefit from it. also, belmonte do not work well with binay and i believe he could be working better with the marikina and antipolo mayors. so, making a metro quezon is not a bad idea at all though it has been heard of, with no development on the issue, for years. i just do hope, they think of a better name.

lastly, regarding the main topic. i think its not a good idea to have just one mayor. Why? the lack of competition between cities would make the growth of the mega metro manila city slower. think of the game sim city for example, there would be a time in the game that the city fails to thrive. why? because everything is perfect, no flaws in its design; but consequently no growth ensues. still in the game - but if you make an adjacent city wherein everything seems to be imperfect, then the prior city you made will soon begin to thrive.

so you see, the competition helps, envy is a very human driving force for progress. when makati felt that they are threatened by qc's commerce, they proposed fort bonifacio (even if BGC was awarded to Taguig due to political reason).

I prefer Quezon City being the capital of The Philippines than have it's own metro.

^^ By being the Capital (again!?), all the adjacent cities and towns will become it's metropolitan area.

^^ So we still end up with a Metro Quezon ? :lol:

^^ Yes, you would. :colgate:

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A metropolitan area is a large population center consisting of a large metropolis and its adjacent zone of influence, or of more than one closely adjoining neighboring central cities and their zone of influence. One or more large cities may serve as its hub or hubs, and the metropolitan area is normally named depending on connected.

The core cities in a polycentric metropolitan area need not be physically connected by continuous built-up development, distinguishing the concept from conurbation, which requires urban contiguity. In a metropolitan area, it is sufficient that central cities together constitute a large population nucleus with which other constituent parts have a high degree of integration.

In practice the parameters of metropolitan areas, in both official and unofficial usage, are not consistent. Sometimes they are little different from an urban area, and in other cases they cover broad regions that have little relation to the traditional concept of a city as a single urban settlement. Thus all metropolitan area figures should be treated as interpretations rather than as hard facts. Metro area population figures given by different sources for the same place can vary by millions, and there is a tendency for people to promote the highest figure available for their own "city". However the most ambitious metropolitan area population figures are often better seen as the population of a "metropolitan region" than of a "city."

SOURCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area)

The metropolis was never called "Metro Quezon" though even when Quezon City was designated as the capital.

I've heard of "Mega Manila" from a friend. He told me he bought a house in Trece Martires, Cavite and that it's within Mega Manila. No doubt it's a media creation to sell real estate.

I'm curious whether there are countries that have a capital city that does not have the seat of government within its territorial boundary.

^^ You mean countries with multiple (de facto) capitals? There are a few around, South Africa, Bolivia, and the Netherlands comes to mind; and to a lesser extent Israel and Malaysia.

^^ By being the Capital (again!?), all the adjacent cities and towns will become it's metropolitan area.

Would there be a problem if that takes effect. One, Quezon City is the largest city in Metro Manila even bigger than Manila.

I would like to make several points. Some of them may sound crazy but I hope you don't mind reading them.

Recently, Beyonce had a concert which say Live in Taguig instead of Live in Manila. She had her concert in Fort Bonifacio. Akon on the other hand will have a concert at the end of the month which states "Akon, Live in Manila!". The venue would be in Araneta Colosseum which is in Quezon City.

Another, it really bothers me when some locals consider cities outside The City of Manila as "suburbs" even if some of them don't function as one. Especially cities that are within Edsa like Pasay, Makati, Mandaluyong, Pasig, San Juan, Quezon City and Caloocan City. Edsa is the main highway in Metro Manila and it doesn't pass through the City of Manila. Alot of the metro's economic activities happen in this cities especially the CBDs of Makati and Ortigas.

When I see it, here's how I look at Metro Manila.

1) The City of Manila is considered the tourist / traditional / historic core since there is where the city's history lies and where most tourist spots are located.

2) Cities outside Manila like Makati, Pasay, Mandaluyong, San Juan and some parts of Pasig, Taguig, Quezon and Caloocan city are considered the economic core. Since alot of the metro's financial, business and industries lies here.

3) Cities like Marikina, Pateros, Paranaque, Muntinglupa, Las Pinas, Valenzuela, Navotas and Malabon are more the "suburban cities". Nearby areas of Bulacan, Laguna, Cavite and Rizal are "suburban outskirts".

As for MMDA, Bayani Fernando kinda acts as an "unofficial governor". One thing, you would see a big difference in the MMDA before BF and The MMDA of today.

Now if forumers here are talking about if Metro Manila has a governor and its population will vote him for presidency, isn't BF capable?

One thing with that most Manilenos don't pay attention to is the rising graffiti culture in Metro Manila and how the city's walls are becoming canvases for aerosol art.

Here are some

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/pr9.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p89.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p94.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/b130.jpg

^^ Those are nice! One thing I've noticed though, most graffiti scripts are almost the same. Like everyone uses the same standard typeface (font) for their art.

wow...pretty good pieces right there. I dont like the last one though...not the proper place as its a privately owned building and it doesnt look as good as the others.

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p94.jpg

The leftmost graffiti is familiar @Wanch. ;)

madami nyan sa avenida akrho taugama cb

^^ Those are nice! One thing I've noticed though, most graffiti scripts are almost the same. Like everyone uses the same standard typeface (font) for their art.


yes, they do have some sort of "graffiti alphabet" thing... I learned it from my hs friend whose fascination is into graffiti

One thing with most Manilenos is the rising graffiti culture in Metro Manila and how the city's walls are becoming canvases for aerosol art.

Here are some

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/pr9.jpg








geez. werz this?

could sebody please provide the exact address and the landmarks nar this artpiece

ty

the 'art' on that garage door looks very... nice... NOT! graffiti like that is absolutely disgusting. the first one looks pretty good tho. here in melbourne the 'street art' form is really taking off, the city council has even legalised street art in some lanes within the CBD, and they are absolutely fantastic! :D so the ones shown up there dont really compare. im not saying all the graffiti in melbourne is good, there are still those ones that look like a baby ran off with a massive marker and defaced properties :D

if you want a preview, just type 'melbourne street art' in google images :)

behind that art is the true graffiti art.:lol:

Wala bang magpopost nung katawa-tawang MMDA art? :lol:

sa EDSA parang naglalagay yong mga MMDA ng graffiti na naka emboss

geez. werz this?

could sebody please provide the exact address and the landmarks nar this artpiece

ty

yeah @wanch, would you mind putting the exact locations please? i'd like to pay those a visit someday, if they haven't been painted over by then.

geez. werz this?

could sebody please provide the exact address and the landmarks nar this artpiece

ty

This one was painted in Las Pinas in Naga Road in Pulang Lupa II. Las Pinas has the most concentration of graffiti art in Metro Manila.

Here are some more around Metro Manila and even neighbouring Rizal and Bulacan

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p93.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p63.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/p54.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/pr18.jpg

even trains get painted!

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/t10.jpg

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/t8.jpg

Yes I do graffiti, here's one of my flix :)

http://www.sbagraffiti.com/graffiti/images/b132.jpg

^^ Hey now, that last one isn't in Manila. That's Hong Kong! :lol:

a flip graffiti art in HK.

san kaya nakikita yung mga yan sa pnas
ang usually kasi nasa pader satin ay no post bills, bawal jumingle or wag magtapon dito ng basura

Weird. we were just watching a video about Keith Haring back in a painting course, and now this comes up...

Very coooool. Reminds me of the time I would play Jet Grind Radio on the Dreamcast.:cheers:

My favorites are the ones with jagged texts (wildstyle?). I LOVE the far-left one in the third photo!

wow i love the first art on the 1st post :)

we should never again change the capital of our city. Manila will suffice, because of its history and its the first place in the country that comes into mind when you mention "Philippines". an envelope was named after us, like the ink that was named after india. so we must not change it again.

@WANCH Re: Now if forumers here are talking about if Metro Manila has a governor and its population will vote him for presidency, isn't BF capable?

yes he is! however, he may not win because the "masa" will not vote for him since they feel that he is anti-poor (de-ghetto-ing shantis, constant raids sa palengke, etc.) but i like him to win, he has done well. and i feel hndi sya corrupt (masyado.. hehe).

but going back, i still feel that having one leader to govern mega-manila will not work. unless he rules in tyranny! also, belmonte is doing well for qc. so as for now, let it be. :)

Hey wanch i think your links are broken. Can't see the pictures anymore :(

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2287/1902132247_e0ca14da7e_b.jpg
Modern Binondo photo by winwinpix - Flickr (http://flickr.com/photos/winwinpix/)

I wrote about this in a related thread. Anyway, as I said before I noticed how some consider Manila's nearby cities as suburbs. One thing, are they really suburbs? Do they really function as one especially cities that lie within EDSA such as Makati, Mandaluyong or Quezon City?

Hey,
Do you guys know the type of urban development that has developed in the Philippines? like how are our cities became they way they are now... focusing on major cities (Manila, Cebu, Caloocan, etc)..

;14805509']Hmm so sa inyo ang GSIS? :D penge naman ng lupa :D wala lang napansin ko lang sino may ari ng mga lupa before esp sa downtown kasi diba ang orig map ng davao is yung sa san pedro-bolton claveria lang? so what was the chinatown area, the quirino area and obrero area then?

sabi nila "first come first serve " i mean the government enticed people of Luzon and Visayas to populate Davao, then commerce started to flourish .

I remember the movie Far and Away naka line sila lahat w/ their horses tapos nakahawak ng stake w/ flag unahan silang maka punta sa isip nila pinaka fertile na area then itutusok nila yung flag! :D


depende kasi some was part of a kingdom, some just a fort others a mining site etc.

how did a small time settlement like Malolos can be declared as a city? What is the requirement to change to city status in pinas?

You must have been very busy that you didn't notice there's already a discussion about this. Read the thread "Why do we have so many cities in the Philippines?" for more inputs.

I think it's better to analyze one city at a time. :cheers:

Manila - long-time capital and the country's center of trade and commerce. Manila's growth is attributed to the countryside's notion that "lahat nasa Maynila" -- you can find work in Manila, etc... And this did not stop 30 or 20 years ago. It continues up to this day. Because of this, "migration" to the capital made it inevitable for Manila to expand and urbanization rapidly spread to nearby towns now comprising NCR. :cheers:

Beautiful buildings need not be very tall. Please post pictures of buildings that both aesthetically and functionally upgrade our communities. :cheers:

The National Headquarters for the United Architects of the Philippines (UAP) on Scout Rallos, Quezon City...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/The%20Metro/IMGP0179.jpg

^^ Quezon City, grew with all those housing projects from the past government administrations and could be aptly called the "dormitory city" of Metro Manila. It has also attracted the biggest number of informal settlers because of its large tracts of "open spaces". It has the largest population among the Metro Manila cities. In the daytime, its populace compete among themselves for buses and the MRT on EDSA to commute to Ortigas and Makati, where most of them work. The same thing happens when they troop to their homes from Makati and Ortigas.

I've never been a fan of the UAP headquarters. I've always thought, they can do much better than that. Being the UAP, the building should reflect who they really are, and what they could really do.

You're being modest, thomasian.

Seriously, what the hell is that crap. It's neither cool because of its weirdness nor is it normal enough to avoid being called shit. I don't know if that photo does it any justice, but from that evidence...

Just rotate that U 90 degrees clockwise and put a R after it. You know what it'll spell...

No not really. Not in my definition of suburb. They're all cities developing central places of business or commercial places - places which eventually connect to the neighbouring city's own CBD. So suburbian areas are not really restricted by city, which it is in other cities across the world. Suburbia in Metro Manila is defined by subdivisions - villages which cross city boundaries.

I don't find it very special either but Prof. Paulo Alcazaren in his weekly column at the Philippine Star, Citysense included it among the top 10 buildings of the decade it was built. Whatever his reasons were had already lapsed from my memory.

Just rotate that U 90 degrees clockwise and put a R after it. You know what it'll spell...

Crap :lol:

I'm not a big fan myself, but for those who are not familiar, the UAP conducted a competition for the design of this building. Most of the topnotch architects disqualified themselves because the members of the panel of jurors were either friends or acquiantances.

So to prevent any controversies, none of the large firms or name architects joined.

There you go.

Hi, You can see the smog in the Binondo district !

^^ Well it ended up being more controversial because of the design, or the lack of it.

The Ateneo's Church of Gesu... Probably the most modern-looking church in the Philippines...


All photos are from Flickr


Exterior by marty_ilagan

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/church_gesu_ateneo_marty_ilagan.jpg



Another exterior shot by charlie_curilan

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/church_gesu_ateneo_charlie_curilan.jpg



The pews by DennisDMenace

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/church_gesu_ateneo_DennisDMenace.jpg



The altar by lukewarmnolonger

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/church_gesu_ateneo_lukewarmnolonger.jpg

well... I don't think those that are adjacent to Manila itself cannot be considered suburban.... maybe those cities on the outer borders of NCR... like North Caloocan, Navotas, Malabon, Las Pinas and parts of Paranaque... most are residential cities and still a bit laid back...

That's more of a storm coming than smog.

^^ Planned as the "New Manila" as early as the Burnham days I think.

Yup, those are clouds, Rence. They are too high to be smog. If they were, you wouldn't see the buildings as clearly.

The DLS-CSB School of Design and Arts:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/SDAfront.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_4553.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_4580.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_4477.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/DSC_1101.jpg

http://www.sinag-arts.org/assets/images/dlsusda/Images03.jpg
Special Inaguration lighting by Shoko Matsumoto

^^ That building looks like a machine and has a different shape depending on the angle where it is being viewed. Thanks for sharing!


The Gateway Mall in Araneta Center, Cubao, Quezon City is touted as the first transit-oriented mall. It connects the two elevated railways LRT 2 and MRT 1.


Photo of the exterior by nickmanila at Photobucket...


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/gateway.jpg



Photo taken from another angle by icarus05x at Photobucket...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/IMGP0190.jpg




Exterior shot by conradptrp at Photobucket...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/101_0239.jpg



Another view by xtnaeusebio at Phobucket...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/xtnaeusebio/Pict0786.jpg

One of the Philippines' most revered home for culture and the arts was designed by no less than National Artist for Architecture, Leandro V. Locsin, Jr... the Ayala Museum in Makati.


The museum's facade by Ant Javier at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ayala_museum_ant_javier.jpg


The entrance by proust at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ayala_museum_proust.jpg


The fountain by johnrichvillas at Flickr...

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee275/miklukr10/Manila/bebc.jpg

The DLS-CSB School of Design and Arts:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/SDAfront.jpg



^^ the interior i think is better than its exterior, from this angle, para syang CR,IMO
The UAP bldg. really looks like crap

If they make binondo a heritage area,I'll be happy about it.God,if they only know how much binondo played in our history,the powers that be might take a second look.But I guess the word history and heritage are words alien to the powers that be.http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4308/calledelrosario19thcentxq2.jpghttp://

My favorites posted in this thread so far: Ayala Musem and the Ateneo Church. And a honorable mention for the DLS-CSB School of Design and Arts for its radical geometric form and glassy front facade (although the bare backside leaves much to be desired).

Another picture of the beautiful Ayala Museum from Flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/191554574_d9ac9f26e0.jpg
Ayala Museum - Greenbelt 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antdj/191554574/) by Ant Javier

I feel like we need more museums in the Philippines, perhaps the government should construct a new Modern National Museum of the Philippines much like the National Museum of Korea, grander in size and scale compared to the Ayala Museum but similar in its design philosophy.

Thanks, flymordecai. I couldn't find a photo that would show the whole structure.

My favorites posted in this thread so far: Ayala Musem and the Ateneo Church. And a honorable mention for the DLS-CSB School of Design and Arts for its radical geometric form and glassy front facade (although the bare backside leaves much to be desired).

Another picture of the beautiful Ayala Museum from Flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/191554574_d9ac9f26e0.jpg
Ayala Museum - Greenbelt 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antdj/191554574/) by Ant Javier

I think Ayala Museum is kinda forgetable. Put it in another country and take the name out and it will remain anonymous. CSB well ok lang. Gesu is more intersting but that UAP building at least from that picture is not good at all. Looks like one of these chinese pilit to make a difference architecture.

Can't find a pix of Benguet but that for me is what I think is really good architecture.

An icon of Philippine architecture is another Leandro Locsin, Jr. make. Said to have been inspired by the lowly "toilet bowl", the finished structure is nonetheless hailed as "a beautiful sculpture rising out of the sea". It is deemed worthy to be called "the home of the Filipino soul"... Ladies and gentlemen, the Cultural Center of the Philippines...


Postcards of the CCP by edgarjlaw at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/ccp_edgarjlaw.jpg


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/ccp_edgarjlaw2.jpg


The pebble-concrete make of the CCP captured on film by my_soulinsurance_2004 at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/ccp_my_soulinsurance_2004.jpg


The fluidity of concrete is shown in this photo by raneen_nosh at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/ccp_citizen_designer_raneen_nosh.jpg


The CCP is a home for the hearts too. Photo by jiformales at Flickr...

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/icarus05x/Ala%20lang/ccp_jiformales.jpg

Rank and City | Population | Metropolitan Area | Nation

01. Bekasi | 1,931,976 | Greater Jakarta, Jabotabek | Indonesia
02. Ecatepec de Morelos | 1,688,258 | Greater Mexico City | Mexico
03. Tangerang | 1,488,666 | Greater Jakarta, Jabotabek | Indonesia
04. Depok | 1,353,249 | Greater Jakarta, Jabotabek | Indonesia
05. Kawasaki | 1,342,232 | Greater Tokyo Area | Japan
06. Guarulhos | 1,283,253 | Greater São Paulo | Brazil
07. Thana | 1,261,517 | Greater Mumbai | India
08. Kalyan | 1,193,266 | Greater Mumbai | India
09. Saitama | 1,182,000 | Greater Tokyo | Japan
10. Caloocan | 1,177,604 | Metro Manila | Philippines
11. Zapopan | 1,155,790 | Greater Guadalajara | Mexico
12. Nezahualcóyotl | 1,140,528 | Mexico City | Mexico
13. Faridabad | 1,055,938 | Greater Delhi | India
14. Suwon | 1,033,829 | Greater Seoul | South Korea
15. Haora | 1,008,704 | Greater Kolkata | India
16. Pimpri | 1,006,417 | Greater Pune | India
17. Seongnam | 977,166 | Greater Seoul | South Korea
18. São Gonçalo | 973,372 | Greater Rio de Janeiro | Brazil
19. Ghaziabad | 968,521 | Greater Delhi | India
20. Chiba | 930,388 | Greater Tokyo | Japan
21. Goyang | 886,000 | Greater Seoul | South Korea
22. Shubra al Khaymah | 870,716 | Greater Cairo | Egypt
23. Bucheon | 866,000 | Greater Seoul | South Korea
24. Duque de Caxias | 855,010 | Greater Rio de Janeiro | Brazil
25. Nova Iguaçu | 844,583 | Greater Rio de Janeiro | Brazil

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Suburbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb) are commonly defined as residential areas on the outskirts of a city or large town. Most modern suburbs are commuter towns with many single-family homes. Many suburbs have some degree of political autonomy and most have lower population density than inner city neighborhoods. Mechanical transport, including automobiles, enabled the 20th century growth of suburbs, which tend to proliferate near cities with an abundance of adjacent flat land.

Caloocan is divided. You have the Northern and Southern part. The Northern part is more suburban. But the area within Monumento doesn't have a suburban atmosphere. The Monumento area is as vibrant and as lively similar to that of Cubao or Quiapo.

As for Paranaque. The southern areas are very suburban. I actually stay in BF Homes when I'm in Manila and is definitely suburban.

"Looks like one of these chinese pilit to make a difference architecture"---such a racist remark.

The UAP building was not even designed by a Filipino-Chinese architect. For the information of everyone, majority of the funds that were collected for the 1) purchase of the property, and 2) the erection of the structure came from the efforts of Filipino-Chinese architects who solicited the funds needed for that project. The commitment was to push thru with the project regardless of who won the commission or what it looked like, in respect to the National Board of the UAP (composed of Filipino architects) and the board of judges who chose the winner.

So there. We're all adults here, what's with the name-calling?

Make Fort Boni Bigger

^ Can you stfu and go to the rehab?

^^ Are you an architect, Area51 and a member of the UAP? Would you know why this particular design was chosen as the winner in the competition? What are some of the distinct features of the UAP National HQ?

There seems to be a lack of information about it even in the net.