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Mo Rush

June 7th, 2006, 05:51 PM

World Cup : South Africa prepares for 2010

June 7, 2006, 2 hours, 43 minutes and 24 seconds ago.

By ANDnetwork .com

Johannesburg (AND) The Gauteng Department of Sport, Arts, Culture and Recreation has been allocated a budget of over $32 million (R221 million).

With the kick-off of the FIFA World Cup 2006 on Friday, South Africa is beginning with preparations for 2010.

About R121 million ($17.9m) has been set aside for the implementation of the second phase of upgrading four identified stadiums, still under construction, in the Stadia Legacy Programme.

Another R1.8 million ($266,000) will go to the establishment of the 2010 Special Project Unit. The amount will cover the International Challenge including establishing the Gauteng Cup, which targets Gauteng based Premier Soccer League teams. It will also support a range of other partnership programmes such as the City to City marathon, Festive Season Games and Soweto Games.

The Department is also looking at safety plans for the event and wants to table the Safety at Sport and Recreation Events Bill to Cabinet. This follows the 2001 Ellis Park tragedy where 43 soccer fans died. The incident happened during a league match between South African soccer giants Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. According to the department the Bill is intended to minimise the risk of such a disaster from occurring again in the future.
It compels stadium authorities and event organisers to take responsibility and be accountable for the safety of participants at sport events both on and off the field. It also constitutes the security arrangements for the 2010 World Cup.

The Department also put forward another bill, the South African Institute for Drug Free Sport Amendment Bill.
“It will align South Africa with international best practices,” said the Deputy Minister of Sport and Recreation, Gert Oosthuizen, during the Budget Vote debate.

This South African Institute for Drug Free Sport Amendment Bill is aimed at improving the efficiency of the institute in its efforts to counteract the consumption of banned performance enhancement substances by athletes.

By Motshidisi Baloyi
Johannesburg Bureau

Durbsboi

June 8th, 2006, 09:58 AM

Demolition of Durban soccer stadium begins
June 08, 2006 Edition 1

BRONWYN GERRETSEN

Soccer greats such as Shaun Bartlett, Doctor Khumalo and Kevin Keegan may have graced the pitch of the King's Park Soccer Stadium at some time during their careers, but their famous presence on the Durban pitch was clearly a distant memory as patch after patch of grass was dug up and thrown into the back of a municipal truck.

The digging up of the pitch is the first step in the demolition of the stadium in preparation for its R1.6 billion upgrade for the 2010 soccer World Cup.

With Durban set to host group matches and a semi-final in the international tournament, a world-class, multipurpose stadium is planned to replace the old stadium, although just what this stadium will look like and comprise is still unknown.

The eThekwini Municipality is to announce the appointment of the consortium responsible for the design of the stadium, unveil this new design and offer more clarity on when construction of the new King Senzangakhona Stadium will begin, later this week.

Officials on site yesterday said the digging up of the grass was the first step in the demolition of the sports grounds and, although a few rows of seats were already missing in the main stands and some small piles of rubble are evident on the top row of the concrete stands, the gutting of the rest of the facility would follow.

The new stadium is hoped to be completed by the end of 2008.

by the sounds of it, we will see the design pretty soon.

Giorgio

June 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM

yeh, they making that look like a beer bowl now, similar to the cladding Allianz has. I doubt it was a joke dys, cos that design does look a tad plane for the finals
Wait, Is the beer bowl the one that looks like a tyre?

Durbsboi

June 8th, 2006, 02:06 PM

^^yep

Mo Rush

June 8th, 2006, 02:18 PM

']Wait, Is the beer bowl the one that looks like a tyre?
that design is highly unlikely

ASupertall4SD

June 9th, 2006, 07:02 AM

Something i noticed with these that i havent noticed elsewhere....

why the roof, or cover over only half the stadium. Half is exposed, half is covered. what is the reason for that?

Durbsboi

June 9th, 2006, 08:31 AM

^^What you mean?

ASupertall4SD

June 9th, 2006, 08:53 AM

look at the stadiums to be built or concepts. they look awesome, but i just noticed one side of the stadium had a cover or sunblock or whatever you want to call it and the other was without a cover, exposed completely. it was like that on 4 or 5 different stadiums. is that a style in the region?

Durbsboi

June 9th, 2006, 08:58 AM

Oh well I wouldnt call it a style, here in SA we get alot of good weather through out the year (besides Cape Town) so we take full advantage of this, hence many stadiums have grand stands with out roof's, this also leaves place for expansion with out the worrying cost of removing the roof to expand. Hopefully the timing of 2010 will be such that we are having perfect weather then you will see what i mean, even if your look at the grand stands in our stadiums that have roof's the roof doesnt not cover the entire stand, just the tier that it is one, the rest is exposed to the elements.

Mo Rush

June 9th, 2006, 10:00 AM

Durbsboi

June 9th, 2006, 10:18 AM

9 june cape town temperature

Forecast: Friday, 9 June 2006

Min: 14°C
Max: 25°C
Discomfort Index: 29°C

http://www.weathersa.co.za/Images/icons/sun.gif

Durban min 10 °C max 23 °C
23°C? its only 10 o clock but its hotter than 23, i can tell you that! ;)

skaP187

June 9th, 2006, 06:02 PM

That's not bad dude, specialy when you think you are going towards winter there no?
Don't burn your skninnyskninsknin overthere !

skaP187

June 9th, 2006, 06:04 PM

aaah here in Spain it is a louzy 32 degrees today...

skaP187

June 9th, 2006, 06:18 PM

Nice forrestfire yesterday, got a bit to close to my opinion !

dysan1

June 10th, 2006, 06:44 PM

i like that mo always posts CT's weather when they having a good patch...not when its the rain and wind for days...i get the reports from my sister there!

Mo Rush

June 10th, 2006, 11:07 PM

i like that mo always posts CT's weather when they having a good patch...not when its the rain and wind for days...i get the reports from my sister there!
actually untrue..when cape towns weather is mentioned by the durbanites i simply go to weathersa and post the temperature...i dont randomly produce numbers because its hot...

Mo Rush

June 11th, 2006, 05:13 PM

City not 'holey' sure about doughnut stadium

June 11, 2006

By Igsaan Salie

The "doughnut stadium" - this could be the nickname for Cape Town's proposed 2010 soccer World Cup stadium.

The stadium design has not yet been made public but it appears the grandstands and roof will be rounded with a hole in the middle, giving it the doughnut or bagel look.

This has been the basic shape designers have been working with over the past few months. The City of Cape Town expects the first conceptual architectural designs to be presented this week. Green Point has been earmarked as the site but others are being investigated.

Director of the 2010 World Cup for the city, Teral Cullen said that she had no idea what the stadium would look like but added that the project team had been working with a doughnut shape.

The Environmental Impact Assessment and the Business Plan are expected to be completed by the end of June and both fed into the basic stadium and precinct design concept.

Cullen said that the business plan and concept designs would be complete by June 30, along with the study into alternative sites. The Environmental Impact Report will be completed in the first week of July.

When Weekend Argus asked about the name of one of the winning companies - Perlemoen - and whether this was indicative of the proposed shape of the stadium, Cullen said that "the perlemoen is a concept presented on the urban design concept around the stadium. This has been completely revised.

"We hope to present to the public a building that takes cognisance of the stadium's environment. The urban designers have done a large amount of work in addressing this side of the stadium."

Speculation has also surrounded the external appearance with some suspecting that the name perlemoen may have referred to the use of a material that would create a shimmering pearlescent effect, as at the Munich stadium where the World Cup has kicked off.
Cullen denied that there was any truth in this.

"We have thus far not discussed, nor have we considered, the use of the material that provides the shimmering effect of the Munich stadium for the World Cup stadium in Cape Town."

During talks with international soccer body Fifa at the beginning of this year, the city was told that it could be eligible for a semi-final if it built a 68 000-seat capacity stadium instead of hosting matches in the smaller Newlands rugby stadium as originally proposed.

The proposed site for the new stadium has been on the site of, or near the existing Green Point stadium, but due to early indications of objections by the surrounding community the city has also been conducting evaluations and assessments of other possible venues for the structure.
igsaans@incape.co.za

Durbsboi

June 15th, 2006, 02:30 PM

Here u go skaP187
Screw Wembleys Arch we getting 2! :D

The new Senzangakhona sport stadium unveiled

15 June, 2006

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4125/stadium2sd.jpg
FUTURISTIC: 2010 and beyond - the new Senzangakhone stadium will be a world-class multi-purpose sporting facility

The new Senzangakhona Stadium, unveiled this morning at Durban's ICC by KwaZulu-Natal's Premier Sbu Ndebele and eThekwini Mayor Councillor Obed Mlaba, will be a world-class stadium.

The new stadium will be built on the site of the existing King's Park stadium and has been designed as a first-class multi-purpose sporting facility.

The project has been awarded to the Ibhola Lethu consortium.

Projected capital expenditure on construction of the stadium is R1,6 billion, making it the most ambitious construction project undertaken in South Africa to date.

The stadium will be built to comply with international safety and security standards.

Senzangakhona stadium key features
The stadium will have a seating capacity for 70 000 people.
The arches will be 100m high.
The stadium will cover 320 x 280 square metres and will be 45m in height.
Important milestones
Physical demolition of the existing stadium will take place end June.
Building construction will begin towards the end of the year.

Source:www.durban.gov.za

Mo Rush

June 15th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Mo Rush

June 15th, 2006, 04:41 PM

Durban unveils stadium design
The eThekwini Municipality has unveiled the design of the stadium it plans to build for the 2010 soccer World Cup.

Nine cities are to host World Cup games in South Africa with 10 stadiums having been identified and approved by Fifa – the world soccer governing body.

Durban is one of the cities in the country which is to build a new stadium when South Africa hosts the prestigious soccer tournament in 2010.

The city had set aside R1,6-billion for the construction of what is to be an iconic King Senzangakhona Stadium on the site of the existing Kings Park Soccer Stadium. The stadium will have a seating capacity for 70 000 people, with arches 100m high.

It will cover 320x280 square metres and will be 45m in height.

Physical demolition of the existing Kings Park stadium will take place end June while construction will begin towards the end of the year.

Addressing the media on Thursday, Kwazulu-Natal premier Sbu Ndebele said the new stadium would be designed in a way that after 2010 “we will have the major stadium at King's Park Precinct and also three other top class facilities at locations where our professional teams can play”.

“It will be constructed in compliance with all the international safety and security standards and will have built-in flexibility to host a wide range of sporting and other events.”

Describing it as an “exciting” project for the people of Kwazulu-Natal the premier said the facility would include a High Performance Centre, a campus for sporting and development academies and a smaller indoor arena.

Apart from the new stadium, a host of other projects are in the pipeline to get the province “2010 ready”.

As an example, the completion of the new King Shaka Airport at La Mercy, which will facilitate better transport for tourists, is also expected to give the city a fair slice of the R21-billion in tourism spin-offs that the country will reap from the 2010 soccer World Cup.

“We are determined that the benefits of hosting a World Cup event will be long-term and that the projects we embark on to get 2010 ready are sustainable and focused on our long-term strategic objectives for eThekwini and for KwaZulu-Natal.

“The fact that we are hosting one of the semi-final world cup matches is just one feather in our cap in that world viewers will see our province, our stadium and our people.

“The tourism benefits are immense, the scope for employment opportunities are vast, and the economic spin offs for small and medium businesses are never ending.

With the unveiling of the new stadium, the premier said he believed the province was launching its 2010 readiness programme and setting out on an exciting road towards the world's most watched sporting event.

“This is a new tourism product for our city, province and our people.

Meanwhile, the emblem for the 2010 tournament would be launched in Berlin, Germany, on July 7. This would be the earliest launch of an emblem, in relation to when the world cup would be taking place.

In addition, 75% of all Fifa contracts for this sporting spectacle having been signed and sealed, CEO of the Fifa 2010 World Cup Local Organising Committee, Danny Jordaan said earlier this month.

These, he said, included the signing of the contract for the broadcasting rights for Europe which had secured a whopping 1,2 billion dollars for Fifa.

This amount far exceeded the amount obtained during the Korea /Japan World Cup and was also expected to exceed the one to be obtained from the current Fifa 2006 World Cup in Germany. – BuaNews

Rapid

June 16th, 2006, 05:49 AM

well, you could call the new stadium, a classical-modern design ;)

GregPz

June 16th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Another view of Durban's new stadium

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8021/newstadium7bt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Giorgio

June 16th, 2006, 08:56 AM

To me, The Archs looks like afterthoughts.
Without the Archs I think it looks very beautiful and elegant.

Its AlL gUUd

June 16th, 2006, 10:57 PM

^^ aren't those arches going to create massive shadows??

Mo Rush

June 17th, 2006, 12:49 AM

']To me, The Archs looks like afterthoughts.
Without the Archs I think it looks very beautiful and elegant.
i think being able to walk up the arches and get a great view of the ocean and city is pretty cool..

Giorgio

June 17th, 2006, 06:49 AM

i think being able to walk up the arches and get a great view of the ocean and city is pretty cool..
It is very cool IMO.
I just think that as part of the structure, it looks like over kill.
Nice nonetheless.

dysan1

June 17th, 2006, 04:01 PM

^^ aren't those arches going to create massive shadows??

Not really. No sports events in Durban start before 3pm. By that stage the sun is behind the stadium and no shadows will land on the pitch, but on some of the seating on the east side and on the roof only.

Mo Rush

June 17th, 2006, 05:35 PM

Not really. No sports events in Durban start before 3pm. By that stage the sun is behind the stadium and no shadows will land on the pitch, but on some of the seating on the east side and on the roof only.
world cup matches will take place during the day hence his concern regarding shadows...

Its AlL gUUd

June 17th, 2006, 05:55 PM

world cup matches will take place during the day hence his concern regarding shadows...

yes, like frankfurt for example

Mo Rush

June 17th, 2006, 06:18 PM

yes, like frankfurt for example
look closer at the stadium...the arches are connected to the roof with network of many many beams/cables...surely those will create shadows?

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4125/stadium2sd.jpg

Mo Rush

June 17th, 2006, 06:21 PM

']To me, The Archs looks like afterthoughts.
Without the Archs I think it looks very beautiful and elegant.
yeah at first glance it does seem so..but they actually appear to be connected to a network of cables that hold the roof up..

dysan1

June 17th, 2006, 07:05 PM

world cup matches will take place during the day hence his concern regarding shadows...

Yeah, but WC games start at 3pm, 6pm and 9pm...thats past the time where the sun will affect anything, esp since it will be the winter sun. You also have the Berea blocking the sun out earlier too. its not an issue, except for morning events

Durbsboi

June 18th, 2006, 12:35 AM

the archs are part of the stadiums 'iconic' feature, & the roof seem to be some sort of materail, which is suspend frpm the arch

Mo Rush

June 18th, 2006, 02:15 AM

the archs are part of the stadiums 'iconic' feature, & the roof seem to be some sort of materail, which is suspend frpm the arch
yeah ill try and find out what material was used with the seville olympic stadium..seems to be the same roof..

The Concerned Potato

June 18th, 2006, 07:09 PM

^^ aren't those arches going to create massive shadows??

thought i might post these up

Oita World Cup Stadium (Big Eye)

http://www.fussballtempel.net/afc/JPN/Oita2.jpg

http://www.kokuyo.co.jp/furniture/seating_system/works/stadium/oita/img/p_oita.jpg

Frankfurt's Waldstadion

http://www.worldstadia.com/data/images/m/y/myvt051127114202.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Waldstadion_neu4.jpg

Its AlL gUUd

June 18th, 2006, 09:36 PM

^^ exactly, i am right

Durbsboi

June 19th, 2006, 09:50 AM

Well I doubt it will have such a big effect on the game, that the players wont perform?

Golan Trevize

June 19th, 2006, 05:54 PM

Will there be a World Cup in South Africa?
Jun 17, 2006 | 9:54AM | Jamie Trecker

A week ago, we asked you to think about what was missing at this year’s World Cup. And now we’re going to tell you: South Africa.

Yes, we know South Africa didn’t qualify; that’s not we’re talking about. We’re talking about the 2010 South African World Cup effort, which has curiously, and studiously avoided being mentioned by FIFA at all.

There’s a reason for this, we think: We don’t think it’s going to happen.

Now, before you deluge us with outraged emails, hear us out. We don’t think the South African World Cup effort is going to collapse because of any lack of will or effort on the part of the organizers — we can personally attest that Danny Jordaan is a magnetic, charismatic individual who can get rooms of people to believe they can move a mountain with a coffee stirrer. No, we think the SA Cup will collapse because of external forces that are beyond anyone’s control.

The major thing South Africa lacks is basic infrastructure. Currently, it has neither the money nor the motivation to perform basic upgrades to the stadia. In addition, aside from South Africa’s major cities — Johannesburg and Capetown — South Africa lacks the means to house an influx of 3-5 million fans as well as a way to get them anywhere. Road and trains need basic work, and there is a sense in that country that money that was to be spent on the Cup could be better spent servicing its citizenry.

While some will point to the relative success of the Cricket World Cup as a measure of how the country can handle a big event, keep in mind the entirely different structure of that event: Fewer people, fewer stadiums, and a smaller event altogether. The World Cup is a massive commitment, with one, little known catch: Almost all the money generated by it gets sucked back up into FIFA. The increases in tourist money to a country are often offset by lost productivity gains and the costs of stadium improvement. While some project that Germany stands to gain €5bn from the Cup (a number that we think is very high) this ignores the amount of capital outlay preparing for the Cup as well as losses from other sectors. In fact, other, more sober projections say that Germany will actually suffer a small loss on the Cup.

History bears this out as well: In Korea, stadium after stadium now sits empty meaning that the money the country spent for improvements were, in effect, only used at the arenas four or five times. Japan has fared better, but it too has struggled to absorb the costs of the 2002 World Cup.

As a result, we’re seeing more and more stories out of South Africa questioning the wisdom of this event in a time of a falling economy, rising crime, and massive community need. One proposed stadium reconstruction bid has already been halted by the community it resides in, and our sources note that little work has gone on in South Africa outside the formation of the 2010 committee.

Add in the persistent whisper at this World Cup that South Africa is a goner, and, well, we’re putting two and two together.

Now, the obvious question is: Where would the Cup go? That’s easy. In a fair world, it would go to Morocco, but we’re not sure it can up to speed in time. The only other two places ready to host an event of this size are England and the USA… and London is hosting the upcoming Olympics.

No formal announcement has been made by FIFA, and none may be forthcoming. In fact, the speculation may be just that. But we’ve been around the block long enough to know when something’s up. And something is definitely up with SA2010.

Mo Rush

June 19th, 2006, 06:07 PM

skaP187

June 19th, 2006, 06:59 PM

I hope you're right Mo Rush, but so far I don't see anything happening in SA. I believe you when they can do things faster and cheaper in SA, but how the comments about infrastructure and hotelbeds, how true are they? Realy I don't know, the only thing I know is that there is a long way for SA to go and that there is not that much time...
I realy hope you guys can live up to the test!

Mo Rush

June 19th, 2006, 08:43 PM

Mo Rush

June 20th, 2006, 01:25 AM

Lies About 2010 Continue

NEWS
June 19, 2006
Posted to the web June 19, 2006

About the time the World Cup kicked off, maybe you watched a Sky TV report on how South Africa are in dire straits; that they may not be up to the job of hosting the event in 2010.

Shocking. To illustrate, the football activity presented was in a little crowded stadium; a boisterous crowd chaotically dancing on concrete stands. Then a litany of things of why the situation looks bleak for Africa hosting the world's biggest sporting spectacle for the first time.

Frankly, Sky did not really have a point.

First, when it comes to stadiums, what will you say about sporting theatres that host Test rugby such as Ellis Park in Johannesburg. In any case, South Africa, who have hosted the Rugby World Cup, Cricket World Cup and the African Nations Cup, are not short of facilities. They already have plenty of grounds that could hold the final if it was to be held tomorrow.

Sharp contrast

South Africans are upbeat, in sharp contrast to the opinion of the Sky interviewer. "We are ready, bring on the action-even tomorrow," one of them told Sky. The Lady Mayor of Cape Town also did not think that there was anything major that threatened the prospects for her compatriots welcoming the entire world for a most enjoyable extravaganza. Enough money has been committed, she said, and if all of it is delivered, there would be no hitches.

There clearly is a lot of ignorance about the resources that African countries have. Morocco is not a common destination for Sub-Saharan Africans. But those who venture there soon realise why, for example, the Mediterranean kingdom has in the past made two impressive bids to host the World Cup. An efficient international airport in Casablanca, good inter-city air, road and railway network between the superb towns of Marrakesh, Agadir, Rabat, Tangier and Fez and great sporting facilities in all these towns, tells you of their confidence in making such bold decisions.

Watched keenly

The World Cup is as much the business of other people in the continent as it is of South Africans. And South Africa has the vast support from the rest.

It is also Kenya's huge dream to be part of the road-show when it arrives "home" in 2010. As part of the countdown, every kick by African teams in Germany is being watched keenly. Kenyans have matched themselves against Tunisia in the past, won some lost some. The Harambee Stars have also beaten Togo before. It is quite encouraging for Kenya that Tunisia and Togo have had two respectable performances in Germany so far.

In their first match in Germany, Angola played superbly and came out proud in their 0-1 loss to Portugal. The Africans showed that Harambee Stars have their work cut out when they clash with the Angolans in a 2008 Africa Nations Cup qualifying match in October. The Stars begin their campaign with Eritrea on September 2.

Beginning September and for the next two years, Harambee Stars will play six Nations Cup qualifying matches. They will then play in some 2008 Olympic Games qualifying matches. If they make the Nations Cup finals in Ghana, the Stars will be guaranteeing themselves non-stop football up to the 2010 World Cup. This is because after Ghana, the Stars would need to embark on qualifications for the 2010 Nations Cup Ð which, like this year, may double up as qualifiers for the World Cup.

In the next four years, the Harambee Stars can hope to play about 25 top-flight internationals, about six per year. The potentially busy schedule raises hope that the Kenya Football Federation that resumed activity will revamp Kenya football.

Irish Blood English Heart

June 20th, 2006, 08:33 AM

Durbsboi

June 20th, 2006, 08:58 AM

The article saying it wont happen is bullshit,maybe 2014 wont go to Brazil like promised but 2010 will definitely be in SA and quite right too, I read also that SA only had 2 journos at 2006 is that also a lie?
Yep blatent lie, my cuz works for the national papers, they alone sent about 15 journo's from Durban! leave alone the country, plus the TV networks have people there, our National brodcaster has 2 on field reporters there for the news, & I am sure the various magazines & other news papers/online siter have their people there too.

& regarding that article that was postest, thats all bull shit, I know Mo said I would reply but I got no time to prove SA got what it takes to host this event, because I will just go on & on. In our 3 major citys' (joburg, Cape Town & Durban) we have plenty infrastructure to host the event in just those 3 city's! Joburg has got the FNB stadium( Soccer City) that curruntly holds 70 000, Ellis park (over 50 000) the Joburg stadium (about 30 000),
Even if need be, they can use Wanderer's cricket ground! (about 50 000)

So please show me the lack of infrastructure please, that is just 1 city I pointed out to you. & hotels? we got plenty, fine we need more, but we building them, so dont worry.

Durbsboi

June 20th, 2006, 09:00 AM

I have made contact and received a reply from Jamie Trecker regarding his article below and the various issues i have with his article have been resolved.
ooh Mo tensioning the guys up. :bash:

Durbsboi

June 20th, 2006, 09:31 AM

Oh & if you guys are worried about security? our police got it coverd.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4459/saprobot5bi.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9898/image7349cx.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6750/image7361rs.jpg

SYDNEY

June 20th, 2006, 01:05 PM

^^^ I wouldn't be so quick to brag about Jo'burg's new police elite when you consider that there are still millions living in poverty and in shacks. Crime is rampant in the country .. and why ? police men get paid peanuts and are left with no resolve but to become criminals themselves ...

South Africa deserves to lose any rights to host such a prestigious sports event until the Government gets serious about helping the people that voted for them instead of making themselves richer and patting each other on the back.

The SA Government is so fvcked up - let's waste billions of Rands on new stadiums and millions of Rands on fancy cars. How many billions are they spending on that white elephant - The Gautrain ? I am disgusted and ashamed to think that I was born in South Africa.

20 million may be living in poverty :
June 20 2006 at 11:50AM

South Africa could have at least five million more people living on R10 ($1.80)a day than initially estimated.

According to new research by the SA Labour and Development Research Unit (Saldru), previous figures speculating that the country has 15,4 million people are incorrect, and there could be as many as 18 to 20 million South Africans living in poverty.

Releasing the findings on Monday, Saldru researcher Dr Charles Meth explained that previous methodology used to come to the 15,4 million figure was not accurate.

He said his research was based on surveys that questioned people about both their income and their expenditure.

Source:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060619234620582C231338

Durbsboi

June 20th, 2006, 01:08 PM

It was a joke, sheesh, no need to go overboard

dysan1

June 20th, 2006, 02:23 PM

enigma will ALWAYS go overboard, it is to be expected

Giorgio

June 20th, 2006, 03:15 PM

Mo Rush

June 20th, 2006, 03:28 PM

ooh Mo tensioning the guys up. :bash:
well i emailed in point form the issues i had with his article especially things like "rising crime and falling economy" i was like WTF? i can forward u a copy of the email with his reply in PM if u like

SYDNEY

June 21st, 2006, 12:01 AM

It was a joke, sheesh, no need to go overboard

Shall I quote you from the South African Forum -

"What you guys think of this, Joburg SAPS bought 4 Hummer H2's at R1,4 million each, plus fitting 26inch rims on it for the force!"

Where's the joke ? the "robo-cop" is obviously very funny - ha ha .. but for the rest ??

SYDNEY

June 21st, 2006, 12:03 AM

enigma will ALWAYS go overboard, it is to be expected

Shall I quote your reaction in the South African Forum -

"seems like a stupid ego boosting idea!! Those things dont go very fast, eat petrol like a joke and cant even put the criminals in them...guess they to ferry VIPS around...utter waste of money...its pathetic"

I guess that we are two peas in a pod mate ! ;)

Mo Rush

June 21st, 2006, 12:16 AM

Shall I quote your reaction in the South African Forum -

"seems like a stupid ego boosting idea!! Those things dont go very fast, eat petrol like a joke and cant even put the criminals in them...guess they to ferry VIPS around...utter waste of money...its pathetic"

I guess that we are two peas in a pod mate ! ;)
a reaction to hummers...overboard being your reaction to anything negative related to south africa in general. big points though for finding his reaction. top notch research.

Mo Rush

July 2nd, 2006, 11:57 PM

SA losing 2010 a laughable notion - Jordaan

July 02 2006 at 03:38PM

Claims that South Africa could lose the 2010 Soccer World Cup were "laughable" and "absolute nonsense", said Danny Jordaan, the chief executive of the local organising committee for the event.

"What has changed since we won the World Cup? Why will we suddenly now lose it?" Jordaan asked from Germany.

"We must be serious about how we present our country to the outside world. We are not serious."

Jordaan also said he was "not interested" in stories of that nature.

'We must be serious'
"I heard about the story, but I'm really not interested in it."

He was reacting to a newspaper report that the international soccer management body, Fifa, was working on a back-up plan to move the 2010 Soccer World Cup to Australia.

Reasons cited for the possibility that South Africa might lose the opportunity to present the World Cup were violent crime, a third world public transport system, the problem of HIV and Aids and insufficient accommodation.

The newspaper also reported that Jordaan's standard answer that everything was going according to plan and was ahead of schedule was leading to increasing cynicism.

Earlier in the week ANC MP and chairperson of parliament's transport portfolio committee Jeremy Cronin criticised the government's transport policies.

"We've got a very, very substantial crisis around transport mobility and accessibility," he told journalists at a Cape Town Press Club meeting.

Cronin said transport policy in the 1990s had proved "disastrous".

"I'm afraid to say that in the first decade of ANC government, transport was a terribly neglected area." - Sapa

Durbsboi

July 3rd, 2006, 12:02 PM

Shall I quote you from the South African Forum -

"What you guys think of this, Joburg SAPS bought 4 Hummer H2's at R1,4 million each, plus fitting 26inch rims on it for the force!"

Where's the joke ? the "robo-cop" is obviously very funny - ha ha .. but for the rest ??

I meant this was a joke

Oh & if you guys are worried about security? our police got it coverd.

Mo Rush

July 3rd, 2006, 12:18 PM

im actually quite curious now about the "africa's calling" thing in berling.its will prob just be a few women singing songs on a stage ...and of course a few drums..some cool lighting and effects would have been cool

Mo Rush

July 3rd, 2006, 12:41 PM

Fifa denies SA may lose 2010 World Cup
Jermaine Craig
July 03 2006 at 07:15AM

Fifa has "absolutely, categorically" denied that it has a contingency plan to move the 2010 Soccer World Cup to Australia if South Africa is unable to host the event.

An Afrikaans Sunday newspaper reported that South Africa's chances of hosting the World Cup were getting slimmer by the day and that there were "whispers in the corridors of soccer power" that the event could be moved from the country.

"That's absolutely untrue, 100 percent. There's no contingency plan at all. Someone's made that up," the head of Fifa's South African office, Michael Palmer, told The Star on Sunday.

"The president of Fifa, Sepp Blatter, has spent years ensuring the event goes to Africa, Fifa has an office and employees in South Africa and there have been over 60 South Africans on Fifa observer programmes at Germany 2006. Only to then take the event somewhere else?

'It just genuinely is not true'
"We absolutely, categorically deny it, we won't even discuss it. It just genuinely is not true," said Palmer.

South Africa 2010 World Cup chief executive officer Danny Jordaan declined to comment on the report, but Palmer, an Australian, said Fifa is "more committed than ever to making a success of the World Cup in South Africa".

"There's no contingency plan at all. It's going to be in South Africa and that's the end of it," he said.

The report also said there would be a shortage of accommodation for 120 000 people in 2010.

'It's a mega event'
Adam Brown, a representative of Match Services, a company mandated by Fifa to do the operational running of the accommodation, ticketing and information technology solutions until the 2014 World Cup, said the figure of 120 000 beds short was not taking into account the nature of a World Cup event.

"It's a mega event. We're not saying its simple and that there aren't any complications, but saying you're 120 000 beds short is nonsense.

"It's not taking into account the nature of the event," said Brown, who has been based in South Africa for a year.

"You need to take into account the movement of people within the country and at different stages of the World Cup. That's a managerial excuse and the process is to take a historical point of view.

"You can look at what happened in Germany. There are dips between matches, with people coming in from the United Kingdom, Holland or France, staying for a day or two and returning home.

"That won't happen in South Africa - people won't travel from Europe and South America for one day."

Brown said that in terms of the South African situation, the US World Cup 1994 gave a much better insight, in terms of distance between cities and length of time people stayed in different places.

"The people involved with Fifa in 1994 are still with Fifa and have a very strong understanding of the various trends within accommodation for a World Cup country.

"We know the needs, the requirements and expectations.

"We know what the situation has been in Germany and will analyse that and say what is needed to raise the bar in South Africa.

"That's what the president of Fifa, Sepp Blatter, said in Germany - that every World Cup must raise the bar," said Brown.

Giorgio

July 3rd, 2006, 12:45 PM

Reminds me of the Pre 2004 Olympic Press releases...:|

Mo Rush

July 3rd, 2006, 12:52 PM

']Reminds me of the Pre 2004 Olympic Press releases...:|
too true. it was even worse though since all the pressure was on one city.

Giorgio

July 3rd, 2006, 12:55 PM

Yes, and for absoloutely no reason.

Like the South Africans know with 2010, The Greeks knew that Athens was going to preveil, they never once doubted.

Unfortunatly, International media dribbles this crap and really affects major events like Olympics and WCs.

Its disgusting to think that its happening even after 2004.

Mo Rush

July 3rd, 2006, 01:11 PM

']Yes, and for absoloutely no reason.

Like the South Africans know with 2010, The Greeks knew that Athens was going to preveil, they never once doubted.

Unfortunatly, International media dribbles this crap and really affects major events like Olympics and WCs.

Its disgusting to think that its happening even after 2004.
the athens issue had much to do with lack of visible progress on the olympic stadium, other venues being completed was ignored. south african stadiums will face the same issue...all the focus on the new stadia that will begin soon...ignoring the fact that there are 8 existing stadia of 30,000+

Giorgio

July 3rd, 2006, 01:29 PM

Yes, Exactly.

In the early stages (about year 2001) there was talk of the games being removed from Athens due to the supposed 'lack of progress'.

We saw though in the end that it was all crap so yea, I learn to ignore such stupid articles and I am confident that SA will be seeing the 2010 World Cup.

Durbsboi

July 3rd, 2006, 02:26 PM

Wait a minute , Wait minute [Gioяgos] & Mo getting along?
somethings wrong, i must be drunk again

Giorgio

July 3rd, 2006, 02:46 PM

Im more concerned about you and I getting along considering the dull and senseless comments you make.

Mo Rush

July 3rd, 2006, 03:59 PM

']Im more concerned about you and I getting along considering the dull and senseless comments you make.
which senseless comments did he make?

Giorgio

July 3rd, 2006, 11:05 PM

which senseless comments did he make?

"Wait a minute , Wait minute [Gioяgos] & Mo getting along?
somethings wrong, i must be drunk again"

That was totally unnescissary and Im not sure why durbs is still on my case to be honest.

Durbsboi

July 4th, 2006, 11:22 AM

I'm not on your case, relax it was meant as a joke, I see jokes are not meant to be told in this forum.

U & Mo are always at each others throats , it was the first time I have seen your'll chatting positivaly at each other, no harm intended guys.

Seriously [Gioяgos] I am not after you or anything like that.

Mo Rush

July 4th, 2006, 03:08 PM

Mo Rush

July 4th, 2006, 06:02 PM

Make 2010 the best World Cup ever, says Fifa
Jermaine Craig
July 04 2006 at 07:16AM

Days before the 2010 Soccer World Cup is officially handed over to South Africa, Fifa has urged the country to make 2010 "the best World Cup there's ever been".

"Fifa wants this to happen, really, really wants this to happen," the hugely enthusiastic head of Fifa's South African 2010 World Cup office, Michael Palmer, said in an exclusive interview.

"It's not as if Fifa's opposed to a World Cup in Africa, Fifa went out of its way to have a World Cup in Africa and there's no trepidation at all about having it there and having it delivered. People will say it will be difficult and that certain things won't be achieved, but if people want it to happen, it will happen. There needs to be a unity of excitement, but also of planning and delivery.

"I've seen nothing to suggest that won't happen," Palmer said.

'I've seen nothing to suggest that won't happen'
An Australian former stockbroker handpicked a year ago by Fifa to head its South African office in the build-up to 2010, Palmer said Fifa had very high hopes for Africa's first World Cup.

"From Fifa's point of view, as long as the integrity of the competition is going to be guaranteed, then Fifa will be happy."

"But we have bigger hopes for this, that the 2010 World Cup will change the world's perception of the African continent and provide wonderful opportunities for people in the future. The hope is that it will be the sporting event that does the most good for a country and a continent," said Palmer.

The Tasmanian was in charge of the test event programme for the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games, ran the 2002 Commonwealth Games in Manchester and was the head of venue management for the Uefa Champions League for three seasons before he was approached by Fifa in June 2005 to run its South African 2010 operation.

The 43-year-old was bowled over by the warmth and enthusiasm of South Africans and had no hesitation in accepting the job. "They flew me down and I immediately decided I wanted to do this. My first impression was of how excited everybody was.

'I've not been disappointed at all'
"It was one of the things that made the job really appealing. If you've got that many positive people, something good's got to happen. I thought this is going to be a great place to work and I've not been disappointed at all," said Palmer.

South Africa will be using 10 existing and new World Cup stadiums and Palmer says Fifa is confident they will be ready on time.

"The one thing I'm not worried about is the stadiums. There are good, experienced people working on them, and there's been real support from the South African government to get the funding in place. So we feel pretty confident about the stadiums. The South Africa 2010 Local Organising Committee has so far delivered for Fifa everything they were supposed to, ahead of schedule and our view of them at the moment is excellent. They have been working quietly behind the scenes, as Fifa have not wanted the focus taken away from Germany.

"That will change the moment Germany 2006 finishes, and then people will see how much progress the committee, government and cities have made. Having the host city agreements signed a year in advance was a major achievement, something not achieved in Germany," said Palmer.

He said the Germany 2006 organising committee had received much credit for its organisation and for concepts like the extremely successful Fan Fest project, where millions of fans had gathered to watch live matches on gigantic screens in every German World Cup city.

"I think it can be much bigger in South Africa and have a much better atmosphere. South Africa now has the opportunity to do this any way it wants," said Palmer.

As for the country's crime problems, Palmer acknowledged they are a reality, but his view is that South Africa is "not unsafe at all".

"It's no different to living anywhere else. You see the statistics and you read the stories and they are very sad.

"But to me there is certainly a perception that does not balance with the reality of living in South Africa," said Palmer.

When Fifa officially hands over the World Cup to South Africa at a ceremony in Berlin on Friday and when the final whistle is blown at the 2006 World Cup final on Sunday night, Palmer says it will be a time for South Africans to take great pride in their country.

"South Africans should wake up on Monday, July 10, with a real determination to make 2010 the best World Cup ever. They should be really excited. For the next four years the whole world will look to Africa," he said.

Mo Rush

July 4th, 2006, 07:45 PM

Sentech's 2010 television plans

4 July 2006

Sentech has announced plans to rollout Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) in time for the 2010 World Cup. The upgrade is expected to cost about R1-billion over the next five years.

DTT is a digital technology that provides a greater number of channels and better quality of pictures and sound.

The company is optimistic that it will play a major role in the 2010 World Cup by ensuring that South Africa’s analogue broadcasting infrastructure is upgraded to a digital-ready terrestrial system.

Digital convergence
Punted to be the most significant revolution television has yet seen, Sentech spokesperson Bongi Potelwa said DTT would give users access to a multi-channel and multi-platform viewing experience.

"It is aimed at average TV viewers; and will finally bring true convergence into living rooms," she said.

Test transimssions have already been broadcast from Sentech’s main broadcast tower site in Brixton, Johannesburg.

Frans Lindeque, Sentech’s acting COO, said digital TV sets were to "increasingly" become integrated with fixed and mobile broadband networks, allowing viewers to switch easily between watching television, surfing the internet, or doing online shopping.

'Clearer, sharper'
"DTT thus opens the way to combine the pay-per-view services available on the internet with the simplicity of television.

"A primary benefit of DTT that is sure to delight consumers will be the clearer, sharper pictures provided without interference and ghosting that some residents of built-up areas or hilly terrain sometimes experience.

"It also offers a wide screen format and multiple language offerings per channel," Lindeque said.

He indicated that Sentech would first upgrade its network and duplicate the current analogue network channels on a digital system.

Digital migration
Sentech anticipates the first phase of network upgrades to take two years, with digital migration commencing in 2008.

"Most of the 220 sites needed to broadcast DTT to 92 percent of South Africa’s population are already in place and only need upgrades to become fully digital.

"Once that process is complete, DTT and analogue systems will be run side-by-side [a dual illumination process] until South Africa is ready to switch off analogue transmission," Lindeque said.

He also explained that the analogue infrastructure which dated back to the launch of television in South Africa in the mid 1970s, had become increasingly expensive to repair and "DTT provides a timely answer to this problem."

Set-top boxes
Consumers will need a set-top box costing about R500 to decode the signal, even for public broadcasting service and free-to-air channels.

"Although the cost of the set-top boxes should reduce significantly over the next five years, they will still need to be subsidised if the main aim of reaching the masses in a relatively short time [four to five years] is to be achieved.

"It is possible that incentives will be provided to electronics companies to establish set-top box manufacturing facilities in South Africa," Lindeque said.

This, he said would contribute to a reduction in the cost of the set-top boxes.

Durbsboi

July 5th, 2006, 09:38 AM

lol think giorgos just took u a bit seriously thats all

"I was just busting your chops" -quote taken from 2 & halfmen

Durbsboi

July 5th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Cant wait for Digital TV, give Multichoice a run for the money, the amount of monopoly's in this country is unbelievable! Telkom, Eskom, Mulitchoice, ...........
We Need competition! & we need it Now!

yure323

July 6th, 2006, 01:17 PM

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Why won't Kaizer Chiefs new venue be used for the WC ?
http://www.kaizerchiefs.com/default.asp?AID=183965
Capacity is 55.000 and the stadium is beautiful and will actually be used after the WC. What's the point in building a 90.000 stadium in Johannesburg if it's only going to be used for a few games.

1. Of the 90,000, 70,000 seats already exist and it is the home of football in south africa
2. the venues have already been decided upon by fifa and the host cities contract has been signed a year earlier than usual
3. Kaizer Chiefs is privately constructing their stadium, Infrastructure in the area is not great at all, Ellis Park which has hosted numberous sporting events and will seat 60,000 is well served in terms of supporting general and transport infrastructure
4. the stadiums arent just randomly chosen, and yes there are in fact many new stadia that will be built in south africa but like the LTU arena in dusseldorf that was not used in the 2006 world cup..some stadia e.g. newlands (50,000) athlone (30,000 can be increased to 55,000), absa stadium (55,000) will all not be used as new stadia are being built and a contract has already been signed.
If completed on time..the kaizer chiefs stadium could as act as a trainig venue, but it is 40km from joburg though

http://images.supersport.co.za/ChiefsNewStadium2006Impression450.jpg

ince an announcement was made about a week ago stating that Kaizer Chiefs would be building their own stadium in Mogale City Municipality (Formerly Krugersdorp) around 40 km from the Johannesburg City Centre.

We have been inundated with requests from supporters wanting to see what the stadium will look like once completed so we have acceded to your requests.

Above is a picture of what the 55 000 seater Amakhosi Stadium will look like once it is completed in December 2008. The stadium has been modelled on the Emirates Stadium in London, which is to be the new home ground of English Premier League Club Arsenal when the 2006-2007 Premier League Season commences in August.

The developers of Amakhosi Stadium have worked closely with the architects of the Emirates Stadium and found that the design and concept of the stadium was a practical one and would fit into the local environment.

CharlieP

July 6th, 2006, 01:40 PM

He also explained that the analogue infrastructure which dated back to the launch of television in South Africa in the mid 1970s

Bizarrely enough I'm in the middle of Winter Colours by Donald McRae (one of the best rugby books ever written), and have just read the bit about how TV was banned in the Republic for ages, and then heavily censored to keep out all the "immoral" foreign programmes...

Giorgio

July 6th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 01:47 PM

Bizarrely enough I'm in the middle of Winter Colours by Donald McRae (one of the best rugby books ever written), and have just read the bit about how TV was banned in the Republic for ages, and then heavily censored to keep out all the "immoral" foreign programmes...
true..unfortunately i wasnt around back then

Durbsboi

July 6th, 2006, 02:14 PM

']What do you mean? Digital has been around since like 1999?
Digital is not freely available to everyone, to get digital we have to buy a package which consists of a satellite dish & decoder, which is ridiculously expensive, now the goverment is making its free brodcaster digital which will offer us better quality free channels & more channels to choose where as the current digital vendor charges us for everything.

therefore the underprivalged people can enjoy quality TV as well :)

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 02:50 PM

Digital is not freely available to everyone, to get digital we have to buy a package which consists of a satellite dish & decoder, which is ridiculously expensive, now the goverment is making its free brodcaster digital which will offer us better quality free channels & more channels to choose where as the current digital vendor charges us for everything.

therefore the underprivalged people can enjoy quality TV as well :)
people who dont have dstv are not underprivileged lol

Durbsboi

July 6th, 2006, 02:58 PM

To me they are :D
Ps: I dont consider people to be rich if they dont have DSTV :D, you can drive a Ferrari for all I care, if you dont have DSTV, you poor :crazy:

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 03:00 PM

To me they are :D
Ps: I dont consider people to be rich if they dont have DSTV :D, you can drive a Ferrari for all I care, if you dont have DSTV, you poor :crazy:
jeesh....97% of our country is poor then

Durbsboi

July 6th, 2006, 03:05 PM

to me, yes

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 03:24 PM

to me, yes
well just dig a big hole and throw them in it

Durbsboi

July 6th, 2006, 03:35 PM

nah, u need poor people around too, u cant just throw them away

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 03:50 PM

nah, u need poor people around too, u cant just throw them away
i spose...we could build a few factories to house them

SA to launch 2010 World Cup emblem tomorrow
Danny Jordaan, 2010 World Cup Bid CEO

South Africa will launch the 2010 World Cup emblem tomorrow in Berlin
July 06, 2006, 08:15

All eyes will be on South Africa tomorrow in Berlin during the launch of the 2010 World Cup emblem. Danny Jordaan, the CEO of the South African World Cup Bid, says international media is eager to find out about South Africa's planned theme and other logistics of the tournament.

He says a lot of questions have already been asked about the preparedness of the country to host the world cup. Jordaan recently dismissed reports that the tournament may be moved to Australia due to the alrming crime rate in South Africa. He says both positive and negative enquiries into South Africa's preparations should be expected.

Jordaan says tomorrow will set the tone of what should be expected in 2010. "Tomorrow is the official beginning of the world cup in South Africa and that will be demonstrated to the world through the event. The unveiling of the emblem will take place and in the evening there is a huge concert," Jordaan said.

Cabinet has adopted key messages for the unveiling of the emblem. Among these messages is that South Africa is proud to have been given the honour of hosting the first African FIFA World Cup. President Thabo Mbeki says a high powered delegation would attend the occasion.

President Mbeki's delegation to Germany is expected to include Zanele Mbeki, the first lady, Makhenkesi Stofile, the sport minister and Sidney Mufamadi, the local and provincial government minister. Edited by Matuba Mahlatjie

The emblem is better than the smiley faces of germany

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 04:16 PM

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/2128/mbombelastadium2010nelspruit27.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/8435/mbombelastadium2010nelspruit1t.jpg

skaP187

July 6th, 2006, 06:46 PM

eh the second photo I do not realy understand, it is not the same stadium as the first photo? it is much rounder!

dysan1

July 6th, 2006, 10:13 PM

dstv has been around since 1995...

i also dont understand some the stadia decisions...

Mo Rush

July 6th, 2006, 10:52 PM

South Africa’s First National Bank becomes first National Supporter

The First National Bank (FNB) is the first South African company to sign up as a National Supporter for the 2010 FIFA World Cup™. FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter and FNB Chief Executive Officer Michael Jordaan set the seal on the USD 30 million agreement in Berlin on 6 July, one day prior to the kick-off of FIFA’s “Win in Africa with Africa” initiative and the unveiling of the event’s Official Emblem. The sponsorship agreement represents by far the largest sponsorship contract in the history of the South African bank and it further underscores the strong commitment of the FNB to football.

“This deal marks an important moment on our joint journey to the first FIFA World Cup on African soil. The fact that FNB, a renowned South African company, has joined the sponsor family of the 2010 FIFA World Cup shows yet again how much the event is supported by the South African economy,” said FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter before adding, ”we are looking forward to a successful relationship”.

FNB is the first of six National Supporters who will enjoy local rights to both the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ and the FIFA Confederations Cup hosted by South Africa during this period. The South Africans will act in their category (retail banking) as the official bank of the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ to provide full-service banking including commercial and corporate transaction banking as well as servicing of on- and off-site ATMs in close cooperation with FIFA Partner Visa. “From a national perspective, FNB’s involvement in the 2010 FIFA World Cup will contribute to on-going efforts to promote the growth of South Africa’s economy and help create a better life for all in this new season of joy,” explained FNB Chief Executive Officer Michael Jordaan.

The retail bank, which was also the first company to invest significant sums of money in South African football and has been doing so since 1986, supported the South African bid for the 2006 FIFA World Cup™ that lost out to Germany as well as the successful 2010 bid. “This was a visionary step which, coupled with the bank’s involvement in subsequent major nation-building soccer initiatives and our strong financial position, earned us the proud privilege of being in a position to help South Africa host the 2010 FIFA World Cup,” said Jordaan. The 2010 Organising Committee (SAOC) expressed its great satisfaction with the new partnership. “The First National Bank was the first to support us in the 2006 and 2010 bids and it is now one of the first South African companies for the World Cup. It’s a long journey that we have travelled and we are very happy that they will continue with us until the end,” said Danny Jordaan, SAOC Chief Executive Officer.

FIFA’s post-2006 commercial hierarchy comprises six FIFA Partners, six FIFA World Cup Sponsors and six National Supporters for the FIFA World Cup™, with adidas, Coca-Cola, Emirates Airline, Hyundai, Sony and Visa, the six FIFA Partners in the top tier of the new sponsorship model, awarded the highest level of affiliation to FIFA over an eight-year period. In April, Anheuser-Busch was unveiled as the first of the six FIFA World Cup Sponsors with two more sponsors to be announced soon.

Giorgio

July 7th, 2006, 11:20 AM

How scared should we be as potential tourists in 2010? (http://www.crimexposouthafrica.co.za/)
Any tips?

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 11:55 AM

']How scared should we be as potential tourists in 2010? (http://www.crimexposouthafrica.co.za/)
Any tips?
Believe what you like. South Africa has crime. Every city has crime. English cricket, rugby and football fans have been traveling here in their numbers for decades, tourism numbers are at their highest ever. If every crime incident in every city had to be highlighted, surely it would look awful?

Kampflamm

July 7th, 2006, 12:24 PM

Yeah but during the world cup millions will visit SA. I read that SA doesn't even have nearly enough hotel rooms to house all of those fans.

Durbsboi

July 7th, 2006, 12:40 PM

We got 4 years to make that number increases right?, more hotels = more construction, more construction = more jobs, more jobs = less crime, less crime = more tourists, more tourists = more money for SA

Kampflamm

July 7th, 2006, 12:42 PM

You had better start working then.

www.sercan.de

July 7th, 2006, 12:55 PM

are there any stadiums already u/c?

BTW we will see the 2010 logo tomorrow :cheers:

Durbsboi

July 7th, 2006, 12:57 PM

You had better start working then.
Already started

Durbsboi

July 7th, 2006, 12:58 PM

are there any stadiums already u/c?

BTW we will see the 2010 logo tomorrow :cheers:

Most of the stadium work will commence next year, in Durban they have already started to demolish the exisisting stadium to build the new one, other plans for the Stadiums will be released after this world cup.

& the logo will be shown today :)

Kampflamm

July 7th, 2006, 12:59 PM

I thought we were gonna see it today.

www.sercan.de

July 7th, 2006, 01:06 PM

oh
today?
better :D
i thought they said on Radio tomorrow :D

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 01:16 PM

Yeah but during the world cup millions will visit SA. I read that SA doesn't even have nearly enough hotel rooms to house all of those fans.
apart from massive construction on hotels taking place across south africa..university campuses will also be made available...fact of the matter is south africa has many challenges...however the world cup is going to be hosted by south africa in 2010 with or without these challenges...the stadia will be complete, an increase in hotel rooms and accommodation..somewhat improved transport infrastructure...and heightened security..crime was not an issues at the 1995 rugby world cup..2003 cricket world cup...although these are smaller events that were also spread around the country...stadia in most south african cities were packed..

Kampflamm

July 7th, 2006, 04:40 PM

Is that the logo?

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BD2CD8BC8-28EB-4E56-A2C4-F5752A3EF134%7Dpicture.jpeg

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 05:21 PM

Is that the logo?

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BD2CD8BC8-28EB-4E56-A2C4-F5752A3EF134%7Dpicture.jpeg
yes it i posted in it the south african forums...i forgot to post it here..the trend of awful world cup logo's continues unfortunately...

Kampflamm

July 7th, 2006, 05:28 PM

Well, it's better than the German ecstasy pills but imo most EURO logos are better.

schmidt

July 7th, 2006, 05:52 PM

Hey, I like it! You see, the map of Africa. It's clean and beautiful. I like it.

I didn't like '02 though. 2006 was nice.

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Well, it's better than the German ecstasy pills but imo most EURO logos are better.
i think its hideous..almost cliche in some ways..they should have gone for something less busy..something iconic and modern that reflects both the past and future of africa...its downright hideous...i spose its relevant to football..unlike the smiley ectsasy pills of 2006 but still...this logo will just makes stadiums look awful...i hope it comes in different colours

MoreOrLess

July 7th, 2006, 08:16 PM

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 09:28 PM

Has whistle been blown on South Africa's World Cup?
FRED BRIDGLAND
IN JOHANNESBURG
AS THE World Cup in Germany draws to a close, it is being reported in South Africa that FIFA executives have made contingency plans to move the 2010 competition to Australia because of South Africa's high levels of violent crime, inadequate public transport, widespread AIDS infection and a general lack of readiness.

The reports, based on an interview with a member of South Africa's organising committee just back from Germany, coincide with confirmation that the country's prestigious World Cup transport project, a rapid-rail link from Johannesburg airport to the centre and Pretoria, will not be ready on time.

The former South African president Nelson Mandela celebrated by holding the World Cup aloft in May 2004 when his country won the right to host the 2010 World Cup finals. But the report in the Rapport newspaper said FIFA was alarmed by the organising committee's plan for "tented towns" to relieve a lack of hotel accommodation.

Joop Demes, the managing director of the hotel investment arm of real estate group Pam Golding, said 600 new hotels would be needed, each with at least 100 rooms, to lodge the one million-plus fans expected to flood South Africa in July 2010.

Danny Jordaan, the chief executive officer of the local organising committee, spokesmen for the president, Thabo Mbeki, and the head of FIFA's South Africa office reacted with anger.

And Michael Palmer, the Australian head of FIFA's Johannesburg office, said: "That's absolutely untrue, 100 per cent. There's no contingency plan ... We absolutely deny it."

But Rapport recorded many expressions of alarm over South Africa's ability to stage such a major event.

"People wonder if we aren't going to embarrass ourselves in four years," said Mninawa Ntloko, the deputy sports editor of Business Day, the country's leading financial daily. "Many people out there are understandably anxious because we all know the kinds of stadiums we've got in this country. Only a handful are an acceptable standard."

Tony Leon, the leader of the Democratic Alliance, the official opposition, said South Africa was "two years behind in its preparations, due to government sluggishness in processing all the legislation necessary".

Tony Twine, a leading independent econo-mist, warned that the South African organisers and government were adopting "a very casual" approach. He added: "I'm not sure we're going to cope with it."

Rapport quoted the anonymous member of the South African organising committee as saying FIFA officials are increasingly cynical about Danny Jordaan's assurances that everything is fine and ahead of schedule.

The confirmation by Murray & Roberts, South Africa's biggest construction company, that the £2 billion Gautrain project will not be ready for 2010 is only part of the evidence contradicting him.

The country's public transport system is generally in chaos, and there is no transport system at all in three of the centres where World Cup matches would be played - Nelspruit, Rustenburg and Polokwane.

To help South Africa cope, FIFA has agreed the original number of stadiums planned for the competition be reduced from 13 to ten in nine cities - Johannesburg, Durban, Bloemfontein, Cape Town, Nelspruit, Polokwane, Port Elizabeth, Pretoria and Rustenburg.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=973552006
this is the article that was laughed at by FIFA and the LOC of 2010.

"contingency plans to move the 2010 competition to Australia "- utter nonsense...did the athens games get moved to australia or LA? no...same applies to 2010, utter bull

" a rapid-rail link from Johannesburg airport to the centre and Pretoria, will not be ready on time. " - was never planned as a 2010 project. the deadline happened to coincide with the years 2010-2012 and the project was never being centred around 2010

""tented towns" to relieve a lack of hotel accommodation. " --
large hostels were opened in germany...to cope with accommodation needs..campuses will too be used in south africa..accommodation is always going to hard to find..major cities are constructing hotels to meet demands..
[The Westfalenhallen complex - more usually known as a trade fair centre - has been transformed with the addition of bunk beds to sleep 3,952 people.]

"FIFA has agreed the original number of stadiums planned for the competition be reduced from 13 to ten in nine cities"--number of stadia were reduced due to logistical reasons..amount of stadia were also reduced in germany from 14 to 12 i think...want 3 extra stadia? we have them and they already exist . newlands and absa stadium that can seat 50,000 each...and the new kaizer chiefs stadium to seat 50,000 + by 2008...or even the 30,000 athlone stadium

newlands
http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/wpr02.jpg
absa stadium
http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/kpd-02.jpg

cmoonflyer

July 7th, 2006, 09:59 PM

VIVA ITALIA VIVA ITALIA

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 10:12 PM

Just thought i'd make this clear. These stadia will NOT be used as match venues in 2010.

Newlands stadium (50,000), Cape Town

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/wpr-03.jpg

Athlone stadium (35,000), Cape Town, Construction being completed on east grandstand

http://www.groundhopping.de/ctathlg1.jpg

http://www.groundhopping.de/ctathlg3.jpg

http://www.groundhopping.de/ctathlg4.jpg

Absa Stadium, Durban (55,000) +

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/kpd-02.jpg

Amakhosi Stadium, Krugersdorp 40km from Johanesburg , (50,000) TBC 2008

http://images.supersport.co.za/ChiefsNewStadium2006Impression450.jpg

Johannesburg Stadium

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Johannesburg_A.jpg

SYDNEY

July 7th, 2006, 11:53 PM

The Logo is :puke: :puke: It looks like a rock painting.

When will South African design step out of the stone age and greet the 21st Century ? :ohno:

Mo Rush

July 7th, 2006, 11:58 PM

The Logo is :puke: :puke: It looks like a rock painting.

When will South African design step out of the stone age and greet the 21st Century ? :ohno:
as the parisians say...."its just heeeedius...just heedious"

SYDNEY

July 8th, 2006, 12:03 AM

as the parisians say...."its just heeeedius...just heedious"

Yeah - I went to the Design Indaba in Cape Town just before I left for NZ and there is some amazing talent there in CT .. it is a shame that the talent is not being used. I get the feeling that SA is trying too hard to be "African" .. it can also be done with style.

I can't help thinking of the outfits that were designed for the South African team at the Olympics - do your remember that ?, the doeks etc. It looked like maid outifts and people thought that they were coming to clean the stadium .. LOL.

Grab a couple of "girls" Mo and get busy designing.

Filipe_Golias

July 8th, 2006, 01:12 AM

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 01:41 AM

Yeah - I went to the Design Indaba in Cape Town just before I left for NZ and there is some amazing talent there in CT .. it is a shame that the talent is not being used. I get the feeling that SA is trying too hard to be "African" .. it can also be done with style.

I can't help thinking of the outfits that were designed for the South African team at the Olympics - do your remember that ?, the doeks etc. It looked like maid outifts and people thought that they were coming to clean the stadium .. LOL.

Grab a couple of "girls" Mo and get busy designing.

OMW were u also at the design indaba..it was absolutely fantastic..from what i saw there i thought our logo would follow along those modern and original designs that were african but not tooo african if u know what i mean...i think durbsboi and i can come up with a decent logo and get them to change it...

albie sachs chose the logo and he should be shot for that...
we looked even worse at the olympics..they shud just stick to gavin rajah or shakur olla suits and do all the african prints etc on their ties...heck even safari outfits would look better...

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 03:24 AM

SABC awarded broadcasting rights for period until 2014 FIFA World Cup™

On the day of the launch of the 2010 Official Emblem and the 'Win in Africa – with Africa' initiative, FIFA is pleased to announce another important deal in the host country of the first FIFA World Cup™ taking place on African soil: the South African Broadcasting Corporation (SABC) was today awarded the broadcasting rights for all FIFA competitions between 2007 and 2014, which include the two FIFA World Cup™ final competitions and the two FIFA Confederations Cups that are due to take place during this period.

The agreement consists of all main audiovisual rights for both free and pay TV as well as radio. In addition, SABC is committed to ensuring wide access for the entire South African media industry including potential sub-licensees. “We are convinced that we have found in SABC a partner that can deliver the beautiful game to South African viewers in an excellent manner. Importantly, its coverage will go far beyond FIFA World Cup broadcasts since it comprises guaranteed coverage of all other FIFA tournaments for men and women and at senior and youth levels so as to promote all of the different facets of the game and strengthen women’s and youth development particularly in South Africa. SABC is joining our alliance to use football to build a better future. I am extremely happy with this momentous deal,” commented FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter.

“SABC is committed to playing its part in ensuring that the radio and television broadcasts of the 2010 FIFA World Cup reach the largest possible audience. This contributes to our goal of national building and total empowerment of all our citizens. We thank FIFA for placing their trust in the SABC’s proven ability to deliver,” said Sonwabo Eddie Funde.

SYDNEY

July 8th, 2006, 03:26 AM

OMW were u also at the design indaba..it was absolutely fantastic..from what i saw there i thought our logo would follow along those modern and original designs that were african but not tooo african if u know what i mean...i think durbsboi and i can come up with a decent logo and get them to change it...

albie sachs chose the logo and he should be shot for that...
we looked even worse at the olympics..they shud just stick to gavin rajah or shakur olla suits and do all the african prints etc on their ties...heck even safari outfits would look better...

LOL .. The Indaba was gr8 and surprised me (as you know, it takes alot to surprise me) .. I brought a catalogue back with me so that I can import some of those "goodies" .. my shop will be called eSHACK ... it will be very popular over here.

BobDaBuilder

July 8th, 2006, 03:33 AM

All I hope is that ticket prices will be in Krugerrands and prices will be affordable for the locals in SA.

That means it will be cheap for us blow ins.

Hopefully the Aussies can get back there in 2010.

eomer

July 8th, 2006, 10:13 AM

http://www.bris.ac.uk/languagecentre/afl/german/images/olympiastadion

was that a goal or a corner?..i cant see...
I think that puting an athletic track around a fotball/rugby pitch is the most stupid thing to do.

Using the same system than in Stade de France would be a better way. Of course, you would loss some seat for athetics...but who care about it now ?

skaP187

July 8th, 2006, 01:02 PM

Is there a site with SA stadiums (no not stadionwelt...) you guys seem to have loads of big stadiums!

eomer

July 8th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Is there a site with SA stadiums (no not stadionwelt...) you guys seem to have loads of big stadiums!

Official site:
http://www.fifa.com/fr/worldcup/index/0,3360,WF2010,00.html?comp=WF&year=2010

alfista159

July 8th, 2006, 03:46 PM

That's a fin logo! :cheers:

dysan1

July 8th, 2006, 05:07 PM

Guys...those accomodation things are blown out of proportion. they dont take into account that cruise liners can dock in the ports of Durban, Cape Town and Port Elizabeth.

That apartments can be leased and put into rental pools.

That there are 1000's of rooms in B&B's and guesthouses that dont get counted in the official hotel stats.

That there is already tremendous building underway in Durban and Cape Town on new hotels. Durban has 2243 confirmed new hotel rooms coming on stream before 2010 and another 2500 in the planning stages. that excludes the masses of accomodation along the north and south coasts within 1hour drive of Durban.

It seems everyone always wants to make an issue of everything and paint South Africa as hopeless, when in many spheres we are superior to many other countries that are percieved to be the worlds best.

and that article on "moving the games to oz.." Rapport is basically a tabloid, they want to sell papers, so they sensationalise stuff...just like tabloids all over the world do

Kampflamm

July 8th, 2006, 05:28 PM

2000 additional hotel rooms isn't really that much considering the # of fans that will come to SA in 2010.

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 05:36 PM

CharlieP

July 8th, 2006, 06:29 PM

I think that puting an athletic track around a fotball/rugby pitch is the most stupid thing to do.

Yes, but in Berlin's case it was more putting a football pitch inside an athletics track... :)

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 06:36 PM

2000 additional hotel rooms isn't really that much considering the # of fans that will come to SA in 2010.
germany too had to open 3000 bunk beds in that trade fair centre

MoreOrLess

July 8th, 2006, 06:48 PM

this is the article that was laughed at by FIFA and the LOC of 2010.

"contingency plans to move the 2010 competition to Australia "- utter nonsense...did the athens games get moved to australia or LA? no...same applies to 2010, utter bull

I'd guess that the Australians would struggle to come up with the stadiums at the drop of a hat aswell...

MCG
Telstra Dome
Telstra Stadium
Aussie Stadium
Suncorp Stadium
New Perth Stadium

Thats already using two of the more suitable ovals in Meleborne with at least another 4 stadiums to find.

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 07:06 PM

I'd guess that the Australians would struggle to come up with the stadiums at the drop of a hat aswell...

MCG
Telstra Dome
Telstra Stadium
Aussie Stadium
Suncorp Stadium
New Perth Stadium

Thats already using two of the more suitable ovals in Meleborne with at least another 4 stadiums to find.
i disagree..i dont doubt australia's ability to host matches in 8 stadia as required.

MoreOrLess

July 8th, 2006, 08:34 PM

i disagree..i dont doubt australia's ability to host matches in 8 stadia as required.

10 is the minium for a 32 team WC isnt it? I don't doubt Australia could host a WC but I'm not sure they'd be able to do so at short notice as Mexico did in 86. If it had to be outside europe the two most obvious candidates would IMHO be the US and China, they might mostly have athletics tracks but the latter is building stadiums like crazy right now.

Paulo2004

July 8th, 2006, 08:38 PM

There are two teams that will definitely be there. South Africa and Portugal :D - my two favourite countries.

Paulo2004

July 8th, 2006, 08:41 PM

Which cities will be hosting the various matches? Is Vanderbijlpark one of them?

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 09:37 PM

10 is the minium for a 32 team WC isnt it? I don't doubt Australia could host a WC but I'm not sure they'd be able to do so at short notice as Mexico did in 86. If it had to be outside europe the two most obvious candidates would IMHO be the US and China, they might mostly have athletics tracks but the latter is building stadiums like crazy right now.
8 is required.

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 09:39 PM

Which cities will be hosting the various matches? Is Vanderbijlpark one of them?
Johannesburg
Cape Town
Pretoria
Durban
Port Elizabeth
Bloemfontein
Rustenburg
Polokwane

Mo Rush

July 8th, 2006, 09:39 PM

Durban outlines 2010 plans
Chris Khumalo

7 July 2006

Durban city officials have announced plans to build a giant beachfront fan zone for the 2010 World Cup. Based on the German model, the fan zones will provide big screens and other entertainment for the millions of fans expected.

In June the City unveiled the design of the new 70 000 seat stadium that will be built in time for the 2010 tournament.

Speaking in Durban on Thursday, city manager Mike Sutcliffe said the plans included transforming the entire beachfront from uShaka Marine World to Blue Lagoon into a World Cup fan zone, building underground parking for hundreds of cars at the beach end of West Street and a tram system to back up the long-awaited "People Mover" inner city public transport system.

The beachfront fan zone would have direct pedestrian access to the newly landscaped beach on the site of the old Seaworld and Lido.

'Invaluable'
"What we’ve learned from the German experience has been invaluable. We’re already busy working these lessons into our own plans for 2010," Sutcliffe told diplomats from more than a dozen countries at a briefing hosted by the city’s investment promotion agency (Dipa) and the Chamber of Commerce at a beachfront hotel.

He said that one of the key priorities would be security.

"Germany has handled this superbly. High visibility policing, combined with a fan-friendly but firm attitude, has worked wonders," Dr Sutcliffe said.

Party zones
Julie-May Ellingson, who heads Durban's strategic projects unit and the city’s preparations for 2010, said she’d been particularly impressed by the areas set aside in German cities for fans to eat, drink and party in between watching the matches on giant screens.

With Durban set to host several matches, including semi-finals, the beachfront has been earmarked as the ideal fan-zone.

Ellingson said negotiations around the interim People Mover to link uShaka, the Suncoast Casino and the city centre were at an advanced stage and that it could be operating by August.

Each bus in the distinctive People Mover fleet would be fitted with closed circuit TV cameras, both inside and outside, as would the bus stops.

"This will provide an added level of security not only for passengers, but also for the areas in which the People Mover operates," said Ellingson.

Sports precinct
Also under serious consideration was another tram system linking key tourism nodes and the Kings Park sports precinct.

"We have had expressions of interest from American and French companies and we firmly believe we can have a tram in place by 2010," she said.

Sutcliffe, Ellingson and other officials will return to Germany next month to present the city’s preliminary 2010 plans to world football officials and to the travel industry.

Source: BuaNews

Durbsboi

July 10th, 2006, 10:59 AM

Durbans gonna be a joll come 2010 cant imagine my self being anywhere else then.
When are FIFA gonna update the stadiums on their website? Our plans have been in the open for a month now!

Regarding the logo, its ok, it had to incoporate a little bit of everything, as they said, Its not South africa's world cup, its "AFRICA"S WORLD CUP" but the logo is a bit busy.
PS: Mo I dont do logo's :)

All the 2010 teams should be back in our country by the end of the week & planning should be underway already for whats to be done, the demolition of the old Kings Park soccer stadium has begun, the imploded 1 of the 3 stands on Satuday & the next will be done tomorrow.

Paulo2004

July 10th, 2006, 02:07 PM

Johannesburg
Cape Town
Pretoria
Durban
Port Elizabeth
Bloemfontein
Rustenburg
Polokwane

Ah, Bloemfontein. Been there. Nice quiet place!! They must be thrilled over there.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 02:42 PM

We will be ready for World Cup, says Jordaan

By Charles de Olim

At the end of his visit to Germany, Danny Jordaan is more confident than ever that come 2010, South Africa will be ready to host the World Cup.

Dismissing recent reports questioning South Africa's ability to organise the event at a lunch attended by African soccer ambassadors, South African businessman Patrice Motsepe and South African media before the final match of the 2006 tournament, he called the criticism unfounded and a form of "Afro-pessimism".

"There is no need to demoralise ourselves," Jordaan said.

"If we want to compare ourselves with Germany, we must compare where the two countries were at the same stage," Jordaan explained.

'Did Germany have a logo at the end of the 2002 World Cup?'
The Chief Executive of South Africa's Organising Committee then went on to list what South Africa had already achieved in contrast to the German World Cup organisers at the same period of preparation.

"Did Germany have a logo at the end of the 2002 World Cup? No, they did not.

"Did Germany have their host cities confirmed at the 2002 World Cup? No, they did not. Had the top-tier of major sponsors already signed contracts or a broadcasting contract being signed? No, it had not been," Jordaan noted.

Jordaan was also keen to impress upon the financial profitability of the 2010 tournament, stating that Fifa are expecting to generate more than R22-billion in revenue for the 2010 World Cup, far more than the R12-billion produced at Germany 2006.

But amid all the positives, he noted that now, more than ever, the organising committees need to make sure that what has been learnt, must be acted upon.

'South African business need to give more money'
"That's why our plans must be implemented according to the stipulated schedules we have set," he said.

In spite of the claims that Jordaan wished to disprove, he still welcomed media scrutiny because of the importance of the event.

"We do not expect the media to be our praise singers. You must not spare us if we make a mistake, because that won't be doing anyone any favours," he added.

Patrice Motsepe also reaffirmed South African businesses' commitment to the World Cup, and to South African football in general.

"South African business need to give more money - like the equivalent seen in cricket and rugby - to football," Motsepe said.

He confirmed that Jordaan and Irvin Khoza would be speaking to the business community on Wednesday, when they attend the bi-monthly meeting of Busa (Business Unity South Africa) - of which Motsepe is president - with president Thabo Mbeki.

But financial success was not the only imperative, as Jordaan noted.

"It's very important that we succeed, because this will also be an opportunity for Africa to get an image make-over," said Jordaan

It was because of this, he said, that African teams must also be successful at the 2010 tournament

"There needs to be more analysis and dialogue from within Africa about the game, and what strategy will be best for the African teams. We must remain in critical solidarity," explained Jordaan.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 02:53 PM

First look at 2010 stadium John Yeld 10 July, 2006 Front Page

Capetonians are set to get their first glimpse of the design of the proposed 2010 soccer World Cup stadium in Green Point on Friday. This is when the draft environmental impact assessment (EIA) report is due to be released for public comment.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 03:11 PM

Prepartions for 2010 start at Day One:

This stadium will make space for the new King Senz Stadium.

http://static.flickr.com/1/185833404_445ec3e28c.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/49/185833410_c3c2df4781.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/1/185833401_fba704b49a.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/75/185833407_9155e3de94.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/75/185833406_7e04f403ae.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/76/185833402_4d1f7ab80d.jpg?v=0

Giorgio

July 10th, 2006, 04:38 PM

We will be ready for World Cup, says Jordaan

Damn this seems all too familiar.

Its upsetting that media puts organisers through shit like this.
There 4 friggen years to go for god sake and they started already.

Im sure it will be ready.

Kampflamm

July 10th, 2006, 04:42 PM

"Did Germany have a logo at the end of the 2002 World Cup? No, they did not.

Quite impressive indeed!

There are now rumors that the US might get the 2010 wc instead.

Giorgio

July 10th, 2006, 05:10 PM

Quite impressive indeed!

There are now rumors that the US might get the 2010 wc instead.
LMAO! You crack me up. :lol:

Btw, I think Germany had one in 2002. The logo is trademarked in 2002.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 06:17 PM

my logo:
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2776/newlogo2010smaller5dy.png

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 06:26 PM

Coming soon:...

LuckyLuke

July 10th, 2006, 06:43 PM

']LMAO! You crack me up. :lol:

No no it's not a joke... FIFA is really thinking about it...
But I'm convinced that South Africa will host the WC. I guess FIFA just wants to put more pressure on SA now.

Walbanger

July 10th, 2006, 07:35 PM

I don't appreciated FIFA using Australia like this, bloody tugging at my heart strings. Only a retard would believe that Australia could put together a world cup for 2010.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 11:08 PM

Kampflamm

July 10th, 2006, 11:19 PM

Sepp needs the African votes to win the next FIFA election.

Mo Rush

July 10th, 2006, 11:33 PM

No no it's not a joke... FIFA is really thinking about it...
But I'm convinced that South Africa will host the WC. I guess FIFA just wants to put more pressure on SA now.
Yes it is a joke. Sepp Blatter laughed at the idea fabricated by a south africa newspaper to scare people. As wallbanger says only a retard who knows little about australia and even less about south africa will believe something like this.

cmc

July 11th, 2006, 05:50 AM

http://www.faz.net/m/%7BD2CD8BC8-28EB-4E56-A2C4-F5752A3EF134%7Dpicture.jpeg

So it's true that they'll keep adding Korea/Japan's logo to every following WC logo? Interesting logo, btw... a bit 'busy' on the symbolism but not bad.

I guess the FIFA has adapted the 2002 World Cup logo as the trophy's logo...
Which I think it's a good idea, so every logo of future world cups have something in common, something that's passed on.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9150/38yb1.png

Durbsboi

July 11th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Coming soon:...
Whats that suppose to mean?

Durbsboi

July 11th, 2006, 09:18 AM

I guess the FIFA has adapted the 2002 World Cup logo as the trophy's logo...
Which I think it's a good idea, so every logo of future world cups have something in common, something that's passed on.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9150/38yb1.png
I also noticed that, I was wondering why the hell does Germany have Korea/Japans Logo in their's, then I saw SA's 2010 logo had the same.

www.sercan.de

July 11th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Soccer City 94,700 existing, Johannesburg
http://www.bkajhb.co.za/images/newprojectimages/soccercity1.jpg
Ellis Parlk 60,000 existing , Johannesburg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/ellis_park_stadium/100.jpg
Loftus Versfeld 50,000 existing, Pretoria
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/loftus_versfeld/100.jpg
Royal Bafokeng 40,000, existing Rustenburg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/royal_bafokeng_sports_palace/100.jpg

Green Point Dome 70,000 new, retractable roof, Cape Town
[no rendering available] will be similar to millenium stadium in cardiff
Kings Park Stadium 70,000 new, Durban
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4125/stadium2sd.jpg

Mbombela Stadium 40,000 new, Mpumalanga
http://www.bkajhb.co.za/images/newprojectimages/mstadium1.jpg

Peter Mokaba Stadium 40,000 new, Polokwane
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/peter_mokaba_stadium/100.jpg
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium 50,000 new, Port Elizabeth
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8607/stadiumpe6bd.jpg

Mo Rush

July 11th, 2006, 04:22 PM

Whats that suppose to mean?
means ill be posting some aerials of the stadia soon..ones which i could find and/or ones that are available on google earth.

Mo Rush

July 11th, 2006, 04:48 PM

SOCCER CITY Current Capactiy 70,000 2010 Capacity 95,000 and new roof

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6832/soccercity2ig.jpg

ELLIS PARK Current Capacity 60,000 2010 Capacity 65,000 +

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8793/ellispark8qp.jpg

LOFTUS VERSFELD Current Capacity 52,000 2010 Capacity 52,000

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8760/loftusversfeld3wz.jpg

ROYAL BAFOKENG STADIUM Current Capacity 35,000 2010 Capacity 45,000

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/750/rustenburg7mo.jpg

KING SENZAGAKHONA STADIUM New 2010 Capacity 70,000

[site indicated by red circle]
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6281/senzstadium7ea.jpg

FREE STATE STADIUM Current Capacity 38,000 2010 Capacity 46,000

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1130/freestatestadium0rp.jpg

AFRICAN RENNAISANCE STADIUM New Capacity 68,000

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7468/africanrennaisancestadium9jx.jpg

www.sercan.de

July 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM

the cape town stadium
will it be a football stadium?
68,000 is very big

ØlandDK

July 11th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Mo Rush

July 11th, 2006, 06:11 PM

I read on the largest German football website today that FIFA is maybe going to move the WC 2010 to the USA, 'cause they haven't even startet buidling the new stadiums in SA. The infrastructure should be terrible and that ther weren't enough accomodation for all the fans from all over the world. Anybody heard something about that to...here's the article (in german):

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_207331.html
the new stadiums will start construction in january 2007 and be complete dec 2008. other existing stadia wille upgraded...there were also rumours of the WC moving to australia but they all just jokes..

Mo Rush

July 11th, 2006, 06:18 PM

the cape town stadium
will it be a football stadium?
68,000 is very big
the requirement for a semi final venue is 65,000., the durban venue will seat 70,000 and the final venue 95,000.

"The New Stadium in Cape Town will be a completely new 68 000 seater, all-weather, multi-purpose, environmentally sustainable, modern, technologically advanced, world class Stadium giving expression to the “African Renaissance Stadium” at the juncture between Table Mountain and the Atlantic Ocean at the southern tip of Africa."

MoreOrLess

July 11th, 2006, 11:02 PM

Do we now have a complete list of stadiums and capacities Mo?

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 01:02 AM

Do we now have a complete list of stadiums and capacities Mo?
the stadia were decided upon earlier this year already and the host city contract has been signed a while ago already...

City Stadium Capacity
Bloemfontein Free State Stadium 44,000
Cape Town African Renaissance Stadium (to be built) 68,000
Durban King Senzangakhona Stadium (to be built) 70,000
Johannesburg Soccer City 94,700
Johannesburg Ellis Park Stadium 60,000
Nelspruit Mbombela Stadium (to be built) 45,000
Polokwane Peter Mokaba Stadium 45,000
Port Elizabeth Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium (to be built) 50,000
Pretoria Loftus Versfeld Stadium 52,000
Rustenburg Royal Bafokeng Stadium 40,000

Distribution of venues

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/South_Africa_2010_FIFA_World_Cup.svg/500px-South_Africa_2010_FIFA_World_Cup.svg.png

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 03:49 AM

most of the stadiums are gonna be white elephants after the world cup, i would think.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 03:59 AM

most of the stadiums are gonna be white elephants after the world cup, i would think.
when u say "most" be specific.

Bloemfontein Free State Stadium 44,000 -rugby in regularly use
Cape Town African Renaissance Stadium (to be built) 68,000 - exhibitions,, indoor events, multipurpose venue in cape town def be in demand
Durban King Senzangakhona Stadium (to be built) 70,000 - part of a sports precinct to feature all olympic sports...possibly olympic/commonwealth bid..grand prix,
Johannesburg Soccer City 94,700 - existing home of football in south africa
Johannesburg Ellis Park Stadium 60,000 - existing used for rugby..in regular use
Nelspruit Mbombela Stadium (to be built) 45,000 - new--this community has never had a decent football stadium..im sure the entire province would make good use of this venue
Polokwane Peter Mokaba Stadium 45,000- existing draws good crowds each weekend for soccer...will also be a great venue for an entire province
Port Elizabeth Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium (to be built) 50,000 - long overdue venue for PE the city of nelson mandelas birth
Pretoria Loftus Versfeld Stadium 52,000- regularly in use...concerts rugby soccer u name it..
Rustenburg Royal Bafokeng Stadium 40,000 - paid for by the community itself...to be used again next week when MAN U play against some south africa teams

so which specific stadia wont have a legacy?

KiwiBrit

July 12th, 2006, 07:12 AM

I know people have mentioned about the transport infrastructure, but these are mostly big stadiums with up to . Will EVERY stadium have proper public transport systems in place for the finals. eg. road and rail links? South African friends of mine reckon this is going to be the big problem. Especially for some of the new stadiums due for construction.

Take for instance the Nelspruit Mbombela Stadium. You say this 'community' has never had a decent football stadium. I've never been there, but from your words I would say there is probably little transport infrastructure there. Does it even have a train station within walking distance of the stadium. Even if there is, could it handle the possible influx of up to 150,000 people over a few days for a football match? Then there is the accomodation problem for so many people. How many hotels are in the city, and to what standard? The money doesn't just stop at constructing a dozen stadiums.

I really hope SA pulls all this off. I'm just keen for some proof before I'm a believer.

Giorgio

July 12th, 2006, 08:19 AM

most of the stadiums are gonna be white elephants after the world cup, i would think.
Why are you always so negative?

Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 09:52 AM

Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 09:53 AM

']Why are you always so negative?
Leave them, sceptics all ways end up eating the shit they speak ;)

NavyBlue

July 12th, 2006, 10:13 AM

Cape Town African Renaissance Stadium (to be built) 68,000
When will we know more about this stadium?

Is there some sort of deadline?

jamesinclair

July 12th, 2006, 11:13 AM

When will we know more about this stadium?

Is there some sort of deadline?

Deadline? Sure. May 2010.

When did they finish the Athens Olympic stadium? I remember it being very clsoe to the opening

Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 11:48 AM

When will we know more about this stadium?

Is there some sort of deadline?
The design will be shown this Friday, contruction on the stadium will begin next year Jan, & will be completed by Dec 2008 if not, then early 2009.

PS: not every stadium is a Wembley

Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 11:58 AM

Deadline? Sure. May 2010.

When did they finish the Athens Olympic stadium? I remember it being very clsoe to the opening
But it was ready on time? they did not delay the opening of the games?

Giorgio

July 12th, 2006, 12:28 PM

When did they finish the Athens Olympic stadium? I remember it being very clsoe to the opening

4 Months before the Opening Ceremony and it was all good.
No delay in the schedule of the games and the testing was completed.

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 12:48 PM

']Why are you always so negative?

what are you talking about? i am not "always" negative, i hardly post on this thread, i was jus giving an opinion

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 12:50 PM

Leave them, sceptics all ways end up eating the shit they speak ;)

i gave a valid point Durbsboi. SA has a lot to prove, doesn't mean i am against it or anything.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 02:56 PM

i gave a valid point Durbsboi. SA has a lot to prove, doesn't mean i am against it or anything.
u said "most" stadia will be white elephants...im still waiting for a response as to which stadia u are referring to.

Giorgio

July 12th, 2006, 04:21 PM

Dont worry about it guys.
People are ignorant. They insist that stadia become white elephants after events.

You will be waiting for a response for eternity Mo Rush.

Durbsboi

July 12th, 2006, 05:10 PM

i gave a valid point Durbsboi. SA has a lot to prove, doesn't mean i am against it or anything.
& Mo gave a valid reply to your point

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 05:39 PM

']Dont worry about it guys.
People are ignorant. They insist that stadia become white elephants after events.

You will be waiting for a response for eternity Mo Rush.
well i actually want to know which specific venues he is referring to. i can either agree with him that it will probably become a white elephant or i can inform him about the reality. he may have a point that one or two venues could become white elephants but he needs to refer to them.

its the same as someone saying "most" of athens venues are white elephants. ask them to refer to specific venues they think are white elephants. it gives u a chance to inform them about whats happening with that venue or perhaps a legacy plan has not yet been worked out for that venue. or perhaps you could even just list the events to take place in the venue this year to shut them up.

Giorgio

July 12th, 2006, 05:44 PM

As I said, you will be waiting for a reply.
I dont think he thought it up at all he just posted it :lol:

I see what you mean though.

christoph

July 12th, 2006, 05:45 PM

I found an interesting article on SPIEGELonline.de on that topic.

Fan Fests in the Townships

By Maik Grossekathöfer

With only four years to go before the kick-off for the 2010 World Cup, South Africa still has a massive amount of preparation to do. Its stadiums are crumbling or unbuilt, security poses a real problem and organizers are way behind schedule. But FIFA is confident that the first World Cup to take place in Africa will still be fine.

South African fans at Johannesburg's FNB Stadium, a 2010 World Cup venue.
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South African fans at Johannesburg's FNB Stadium, a 2010 World Cup venue.
On Sunday night, South Africa's ambassador to Germany, Moses Chikane, plans to throw a colorful bash in a Berlin hotel: "Feel your soul - a celebration of the African Spirit & Heritage." At the party, Germany will pass the organizing baton to South Africa, which will host the next World Cup in 2010. The Kholwa Brothers will sing a capella and the rhythms of Afro Pop group Freshlyground will spice up the party.

But will anyone turn up? The timing couldn't be any worse: the party starts at 9 p.m. on Sunday, exactly the moment when France and Italy will begin play of the second half of the World Cup final. The people in charge of organizing the next World Cup say the scheduling mishap is typical of the South Africans. "Often, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is saying," said Andreas Abold, whose Munich-based marketing firm is currently doing consulting work for 2010 World Cup host city Durban. "The 2010 World Cup is going to be a real challenge for everyone," he adds.

Global football governing body FIFA's decision to hold the next World Cup in South Africa was a political one. The organization, which likes to tout itself as a moral superpower, is holding the games there under the slogan "Football for a Better World." It's the first time the global spectacle has ever been held in Africa. Four years before the World Cup in Germany, things were so organized that officials even knew what streets to close off before games, but in Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town, chaos and perplexity are currently the order of the day. "They're totally behind schedule," said Delron Buckley, a South African player in Germany's Bundesliga professional league who just returned from a two-week vacation in his homeland. "They're neither building nor renovating anything."

Within the German organizing committee, there is also skepticism about whether South Africa can meet its deadlines. "We've received visits from one South African delegation after another, but they just don't listen," said one official. "I constantly have to start over from the beginning."

Germany's second World Cup?

Many experts are united in thinking that South Africa will be unable to pull off the tournament without tapping Germany's World Cup organizational wherewithall. "There's nothing left to do but to send our own people to South Africa," said Hermann Selbherr, the German Football Association's (DFB) representative for Africa.

Indeed, it's a perspective that many South Africans now share. In late June, 12 visitors from the South African province of Mpumalanga spent four days travelling around Germany. They inspected the World Cup stadium in Cologne and the Fan Fest in Dortmund. The region's premier, Thabang Makwetla, was deeply impressed by what he saw. Then, with a sigh of resignation, he conceded: "The 2010 World Cup will also be Germany's next World Cup."

The German Chamber of Commerce in Johannesburg has already created a 2010 working group, and the Goethe Institute, a German cultural organization, has offered to serve as a go-between to connect German and African firms. The problem is that even 12 years after the official end of apartheid, South Africa is still a developing country, some areas lack the infrastructure and the country has never before hosted an event on this scale. "We're running out of time," said Zola Doda, an editor at the Cape Town-based soccer magazine Kick Off. "Nobody even knows how many people work for our organizing office. The situation doesn't look good."

Of course, the head of South Africa's organizing committee disputes this. "Let's just let Germany finish its show," said Danny Jordaan. "Ours doesn't really begin until July 10." Jordaan said he isn't publicizing the progress that's been made in his country because he doesn't want to steal the limelight from Germany's event. Together with South African President Thabo Mbeki, Jordaan presented the logo for the 2010 World Cup for the first time in Berlin on Friday. But many believe the ceremony will just serve to deflect attention from the real problems.

Deficient stadiums and lacking infrastructure

Originally, the South Africans proposed holding the games in 13 different stadiums. Then that was reduced to 10 arenas, of which five would have to be built from scratch and the rest renovated. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Most of the existing facilities where the matches are to be held were designed for rugby or cricket. Some of these stadiums are ramshackle, with dubious structural stability and zero provisions for providing security. With many of the arenas located in the midst of residential areas, it will also be difficult to create any restricted areas or security zones. In Johannesburg, one of the most dangerous cities in the world, Ellis Park Stadium is located just three kilometers from the city center in what locals call a "no-go zone" for white people. In the coastal city of Durban, Absa Stadium, where the matches are to be played, is bordered by ocean waves on one side and railroad tracks on the other.

Dilapidated venues: FNB stadium in Soweto, South Africa, which will be used for the 2010 soccer World Cup.
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Dilapidated venues: FNB stadium in Soweto, South Africa, which will be used for the 2010 soccer World Cup.
Preparing adequate stadiums is just one problem. An even greater challenge will be providing logistics for a World Cup that will be spread across the entire country. Organizers believe as many as a half-million people from around the world will visit during the championship. But even if only 150,000 fans come, like in Japan and South Korea in 2002, no one has really addressed how all these people are going to be accommodated. South Africa is three times as big as Germany, but it only has 2,000 kilometers of motorway and only 5,000 kilometers of national roads. Train connections are terrible. But don't tell FIFA.

FIFA's virtual reality

For its part, FIFA even seems to have created its own version of reality. In a progress report on the status of preparations for the 2010 World Cup, FIFA inspectors wrote that "city rail networks (metros and light rail trains) are likewise actively used and even enjoy great popularity in some cities." The problem with that statement is that South Africa has neither subways nor street cars. In this country of extreme socioeconomic contrasts, wealthy whites travel by car and poorer Black South Africans either drive old autos or ride in crowded jitney buses.

A high-speed rail line is currently being built that will connect Johannesburg, its international airport and the South African capital city of Pretoria. Its a billion euro project that some critics say will never turn a profit. Recently, the chief contractor on the railway project said that only part of the line will be ready in time for the World Cup.

It also remains unclear the extent to which white South Africans will identify with the World Cup. More and more are being pushed out of civil service positions and their interest in sports is mostly limited to cricket, rugby and golfing. In their minds, football is a sport for blacks. And with the lowest ticket prices currently set at $20 per seat, the majority of South Africa's predominantly black population will be priced out of the World Cup. In order to ensure that as many South Africans as possible can enjoy the World Cup, FIFA is planning to replicate the wildly successful Fan Fests that were first tested at this year's tournament in Germany. Long-time FIFA staffer Heinz Marotzke, the former coach of the Ghana team said he could even envision the Jumbotron screens that have drawn millions in Germany could be set up in South Africa's townships.

A poorly developed team

It's also doubtful whether a domestic audience will be able to celebrate as many victories as the South Koreans in 2002 or of Germany's national team in recent weeks which helped give those tournaments such a magical atmosphere.

The baton will be passed to South Africa in Berlin on Sunday, but the country still faces an extremely challenging deadline.
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The baton will be passed to South Africa in Berlin on Sunday, but the country still faces an extremely challenging deadline.
The South African team "is a long way from being competitive", said Ernst Middendorp, the former German Bundesliga coach who has been coaching Johannesburg's Kaizer Chiefs for the past year. "The federation is a disastrous state."

The South African side has deteriorated badly in the last 10 years. In 1996 it won the Africa Cup, this year it failed in the first round. The "Bafana Bafana" didn't come close to qualifying for the World Cup. Now the federation wants to recruit a top-level coach: it would like to get Sven-Goran Eriksson or Guus Hiddinck, but neither of them will come. Portugal's coach Luiz Felipe Scolari was named but the federation got sceptical when Portugal lost the 2004 European Championship final.

Now Brazil's coach Carlos Alberto Parreira is the preferred candidate.

Whoever they get, they won't have much time. Only with a strong South African side could Africa justify its desire for a sixth team in the starting lineup of the 2010 World Cup. With South Africa automatically qualifying as host country, the continental federation wants an additional African team to be allowed into the tournament.

But from a sporting point of view, as this World Cup has shown, there is no reason to add an African team next time around. There's little prospect of an African world champion in the foreseeable future. Ivory Coast played fast-paced football but failed to beat the experienced Argentinians and Dutch.

The African teams are improving but they still showed their traditional weaknesses: selfish officials, harmless strikers, overwhelmed defenders. Only Ghana made it into the knockout round where they were dispatched by Brazil.

At the subsequent news conference Ghana's coach Ratomir Dujkovic said: "If God wishes we will meet again in 2010 in South Africa."

Provided everything is ready in time, that is. The countdown is on, another 1,277 days to the opening match.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 05:46 PM

Six businesses on board for 2010 sponsorship

July 12 2006 at 04:38PM

By Carol Hills

Pretoria - Six major South African businesses will officially back the 2010 Soccer World Cup in South Africa, the local organising committee announced in Pretoria on Wednesday.

First National Bank has already announced that it will sponsor the soccer extravaganza to the tune of R213-million.

A second company was expected to announce its sponsorship on Thursday, committee chief executive officer Danny Jordaan revealed after a meeting between President Thabo Mbeki and Business Unity SA (Busa) at the Union Buildings.

The construction of stadiums had to be tackled as had transport
He would not disclose the name of the company ahead of its announcement.

Jordaan said the value of the companies' sponsorships would not be the same, with different distributions of cash and in-kind components.

He said Fifa's sponsorship programme consisted of five tiers, the highest being for six global corporations including Coca-Cola, Adidas and Visa. The next tier was for 2010 World Cup sponsors including major multinationals such as McDonalds and Budweiser.

The third tier was for national support and would consist of only South African companies. Small enterprises and the second economy would have an opportunity to participate in the fourth and fifth tiers which concerned licensed products including caps, T-shirts and memorabilia.

"This World Cup must be a World Cup for all of our people," he said.

In Germany, about R21,27-million of the total budget went into the stadiums, but more than R56,72-million went into the fan parks, where people with concessions generated almost ten times the profit of those in the stadiums," said Jordaan.

There were constraints inside the stadiums because of the exclusivity Fifa had to guarantee its major sponsors.

Jordaan said the fundamental argument behind not granting Africa the contest in the past 100 years was that it would not generate the same returns for Fifa as Europe.

One of the reasons it was placed behind Germany in 2000 was the idea that sufficient revenue would be generated in Germany "to protect Fifa against possible losses in South Africa".

However, Fifa had already succeeded in meeting its R21,27-billion budget for 2007 to 2010, incorporating the 2010 World Cup - the highest revenue in the 100-year period, he said.

It had about R21,78-billion in the kitty so far, mainly from major global corporate sponsors and broadcasting deals - and that with broadcasting deals yet to be concluded in Asia, Africa and South America.

Fifa's budget for 2003 to 2007, incorporating the 2006 World Cup, was R12,76-billion.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 05:51 PM

I found an interesting article on SPIEGELonline.de on that topic.
.
ah the good daily dose of doom and gloom.

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 06:31 PM

& Mo gave a valid reply to your point

thats a shit reply ;)

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 06:35 PM

I just cant understand why FIFA were so adament to give the tournament to AFrica SO soon, if it was cos of loosing out for 2006 its not a good enough reason. they could've waited a bit more (maybe 2014).

livni

July 12th, 2006, 06:56 PM

I again saw today a story about australia and beijing both being able to hold the world cup in 2010 as a backup plan in two year's notice (depends what the situation would look like in mid 2008), as they have all the infrastructure ready.

so any change in location would happen in 2008 by fifa, depending on the progress.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 07:51 PM

thats a shit reply ;)
a shit reply to which u still have not produced a response.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 08:01 PM

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 08:03 PM

MoreOrLess

July 12th, 2006, 11:28 PM

With these kinds of stories theres always the possibility of jurno's exaggerating since to the average person SA potentially losing the WC is the only thing that would make for an interesting story.

I'd still question Australia being able to host with 2 years notice, thats not long enough to build anything significant and other than the MCG(on size) and Telstra Dome(with movable stands in place) I don't think any of the other ovals would be that suitable for football.

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 11:31 PM

still avoiding the question i see

I forgot the question :bash:

Its AlL gUUd

July 12th, 2006, 11:37 PM

i dont think any country can host a good world cup with only two years notice.

Mo Rush

July 12th, 2006, 11:40 PM

I forgot the question :bash:
u made a statement that "most" stadia would be white elephants...which specific stadia are included in "most"?

Durbsboi

July 13th, 2006, 11:40 AM

thats a shit reply ;)
:rofl:

Mo Rush

July 13th, 2006, 01:12 PM

:rofl:
spose there wont be any response.

Its AlL gUUd

July 13th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Just to let u guys know im not against the SA world cup, i just have small concerns if thats ok.

Durbsboi

July 13th, 2006, 02:17 PM

Nah, Nah we get it bro, & you have every right too, cause the shit that's being said around the world, I wont be surprised if people have concerns.

Mo Rush

July 13th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Just to let u guys know im not against the SA world cup, i just have small concerns if thats ok.
i know ure not against SA..u have every right to be concerned..all im asking for is which stadia are you concerned about? thats all.

jamesinclair

July 14th, 2006, 09:21 AM

']4 Months before the Opening Ceremony and it was all good.
No delay in the schedule of the games and the testing was completed.

That gives SA plenty of time.

As for a backup location, I could see them giving it to Japan, France or the US. Like when Mexico got it as a backup, Fifa will want to look at a country that proved they could hold it (ie, not Australia) but not have a repeat world cup (ie Germany).

China might not be chosen because of the 07 womens world cup.

Of course, no other African country could sub in (Mexico was geographically the closest to Colombia as well)

Durbsboi

July 14th, 2006, 09:28 AM

I think every occassion has a so called "back up" incase somethings happens, who know it could be due to other reason that they might use the backups, such as terrorist attacks or maybe a natural disaster?

Weebie

July 15th, 2006, 09:29 AM

You are to blame

July 15th, 2006, 09:43 AM

The World cup will go to another country no doubt but we won't hear about it until May 2007.

Reasons

Crime
HIV
No Productive Activity with 4 years to go.
Tickets prices being out of reach for the black communmity and the response it could bring with fans desperate.
Dis-organised O.C
5 stadiums demoted
O.C not willing to spend the money they promised.
many Fans not willign to Travel.

South Africa just like the rest of Africa is f**ked and is unable to Host a Good world cup

all those issues have improved since SA was awarded the WC so they are non-issues.

also i think a moderator should ban this guy. He probably created this accourt just to be an ass.

Weebie

July 15th, 2006, 09:47 AM

Yes, They have improved but only in minor circumstances and its still a massive problem.

I'm not a troll been a keen watcher of this site for ages but i'm just talking sense.

You are to blame

July 15th, 2006, 10:03 AM

Yes, They have improved but only in minor circumstances and its still a massive problem.

I'm not a troll been a keen watcher of this site for ages but i'm just talking sense.

what do you mean minor. Crime has fallen dramatically. The Economy is booming and the black middle class is growing rapidly.

If you call all that minor i wonder what you would call major.

Mo Rush

July 15th, 2006, 02:00 PM

The World cup will go to another country no doubt but we won't hear about it until May 2007.

Reasons

Crime
HIV
No Productive Activity with 4 years to go.
Tickets prices being out of reach for the black communmity and the response it could bring with fans desperate.
Dis-organised O.C
5 stadiums demoted
O.C not willing to spend the money they promised.
many Fans not willign to Travel.

South Africa just like the rest of Africa is f**ked and is unable to Host a Good world cup

ur ignorance is of course ur problem and not mine or anybody else's.

Gherkin

July 15th, 2006, 09:30 PM

The World cup will go to another country no doubt but we won't hear about it until May 2007.

Reasons

Crime
HIV
No Productive Activity with 4 years to go.
Tickets prices being out of reach for the black communmity and the response it could bring with fans desperate.
Dis-organised O.C
5 stadiums demoted
O.C not willing to spend the money they promised.
many Fans not willign to Travel.

South Africa just like the rest of Africa is f**ked and is unable to Host a Good world cup

lol have you actually been to South Africa? I've been there and its a great place - I expect a brilliant atmosphere for every game and every city involved. Most of your opinions are based on feeble stereotypes that have long become extinct. :bash:

Ginza

July 16th, 2006, 02:33 AM

Weebie please get informed before you dicide to put an incredably racist and discrimanating post,and if you have noticed their is no country on earth with no imperfections :scouserd: :bash: :)

Weebie

July 16th, 2006, 03:28 AM

Yes i have been to South Africa and live in a city with the Highest South African expat population in the world.

I'm Not racist just stating fact there are some great places in South Africa but there are also some f**ked areas. Unfornuetly Ellis Park and SoccerCity is in one of those areas. That Creates problems for a World Cup in My opinion.

rantanamo

July 16th, 2006, 11:03 PM

I will first say, please don't hate us(Americans) if this happens. I would like the South African World Cup to not only happen, but to happen excellently. 2018 is the year I want. I found this article on another board. Could be rumor, I don't know, but the current and venues opening between now and 2010 would be spectacular

Doubt over South Africa 2010

Luke Harding in Berlin
Wednesday July 12, 2006
The Guardian

Fifa executives have voiced "serious" doubts about whether South Africa will be able to host the next World Cup in 2010 and have discussed a radical contingency plan that would see the United States stage the tournament instead, it was reported in Germany yesterday.

According to the German sports news agency SID, Fifa officials have privately raised worries over South Africa's continuing failure to prepare for the tournament and have also discussed the possibility of staging the tournament again in Germany.

Fifa's 24-member executive committee gathered in Berlin over the weekend to watch the World Cup final and, according to the agency, delegates meeting in the luxurious Hotel Adlon just opposite the Brandenburg Gate spent much of the weekend deep in conversation over what to do if South Africa fell further behind with its World Cup preparations. There are long-standing doubts about whether stadiums can be built and modernised in time but there are even more serious concerns about South Africa's transport infrastructure and whether it will be able to cope with the tens of thousands of fans travelling between venues.

Yesterday Fifa insisted that the tournament would go ahead in South Africa as planned. "The World Cup in Germany was wonderful. But the next one will take place in South Africa," its spokesman Markus Siegler insisted.

Fifa officials have indicated that no final decision is likely to be taken until after the president Sepp Blatter stands for re-election next May. Blatter, a big supporter of South Africa's ultimately successful bid, needs the votes from African delegates to ensure his re-election in the ballot next year in Zurich.

Lennart Johansson has announced that he will stand for re-election as president of Uefa when his term expires next year. Johansson, who has been in the role since 1990, was expected to stand down but at a meeting of the European ruling body's executive board yesterday he announced his intention to stand for another four-year term.