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Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Updates, news.views and stadium information for the 2010 world cup in South Africa.

Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 08:43 PM
Hefty budget boost for provinces and local government
Wyndham Hartley

CAPE TOWN — Government is to increase spending R97bn over the next three years, and the lion’s share of the additional expenditure — 61% — will go to provinces and local government.

Targets for expenditure across the provinces will be provincial and municipal infrastructure, including massive allocations of R23,5bn over the next three years for the provision of housing.

While some R50bn more will go to provinces and local government, the key to this contributing to accelerated growth will be their capacity to spend it all.

Transfers to the provinces will rise 6,3% in real terms over the three-year period.

This raises the allocations to the provinces from the revised final position for 2005-06 of R209,7bn to an estimated R290bn in 2008-09. This includes both the equitable share allocation and conditional grants for targeted spending.

The increases in equitable share will mainly go to bolstering education, health and social development while conditional grants will focus on housing, HIV/AIDS and infrastructure.

Local government gets an apparent bonus of R24bn in grants from national treasury to replace Regional Services Council (RSC) levies — but this is simply an allocation to metropolitan and district councils, which still have RSC levies, allowing for when RSCs are scrapped next July.

The revised position of local government spending for the current financial year is R17,1bn.

For 2006-07 to 2008-09 the allocation to local government increases more than R2bn. Of this R1,5bn will be for free basic services and basic infrastructure, job creation and poverty relief initiatives, and building capacity and governance.

Currently, local government is owed a massive R40bn in arrears service payments and most municipalities have displayed an inability to collect the money.

Over the three years R1,9bn will be spent on capacity building in local government. There is also an additional R500m over the next three years for the municipal infrastructure grant.

“Local government plans to spend R25,3bn on municipal infrastructure over the next three years,” the policy statement read.

A special amount of R241m has been set aside for capital projects in cities that will host matches in the 2010 Soccer World Cup tournament.

Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 08:47 PM
KZN Sports Department Prepares for 2010 World Cup

By Sibusiso Mboto
Escourt

The KwaZulu-Natal government has unveiled plans to ensure the province provides sports infrastructure and talented players even beyond the 2010 soccer World Cup.

These plans involve scouting for young talent, developing it in order to ensure that the province and the country have enough players to beef up the squad to represent South Africa five years from now.

Announcing the plans in the parliamentary sitting here, Sport and Recreation MEC Amichand Rajbansi said R15-million had been set aside to carry out talent identification programmes, some of which were already underway.

MEC Rajbansi said R7.5-million would go towards Sport and Recreation facilities while another R7.5-million would be spent on sport co-ordination.

The process of talent identification had begun in eThekwini, Umzinyathi, Zululand, Mgungundlovu and Amajuba District municipalities, said the MEC.

The work that was being carried out, he said, was under the close and constant scrutiny of the political oversight committee.

"We hope to draw more young people in rural areas, in organized sport and building the necessary infrastructure, including stadiums to support the initiative," added the MEC.

He also urged the Mayor of eMtshezi local municipality Phiwokwakhe Sokhela to submit a business plan to the department so that the area could also benefit from the initiative by having a proper facility for public use.

He also pointed out that the department's mandate of getting the province actively involved in a number of sporting codes was already starting to bear fruit as KZN had participated in a number of events at national level and received accolades for being well organised. -


New taxi terminal to improve service for long-distance travel


By Aziz Hartley

Tax commuters travelling long distances are set to benefit from a R6 million terminal that opened yesterday at the Bellville Transport Interchange.

Taxi associations welcomed the terminal and said they were pleased long-distance taxis could now be better co-ordinated.

The facility, which starts operating today, has a waiting lounge, ablution block as well as other facilities for the comfort of travellers.

It is also equipped with a clinic that will provide free HIV/Aids testing.

Mayoral executive committee member responsible for transport, roads and stormwater, Danile Landingwe, said the terminal was planned after construction of the R27 million transport interchange began.

He said while efficient public transport, especially taxis, was crucial in the city's preparations for the 2010 Soccer World Cup, more should be done to educate taxi operators and motorists about using public roads.

Landingwe said taxi drivers faced various pressures that lead to them flouting regulations.

"The operator tells his driver that he wants the driver to reach a certain target. Then taxis drivers also rush because passengers say they are late. The driver has to face two types of pressures - that of the operator and that of passengers," he said.

He said more should be done to ensure dedicated traffic lanes are used by taxis and buses, and not other vehicles, and that this problem will be addressed in the next three months.

Council of Amalgamated Taxi Associations (Cata) representative Alfred Pupu said taxi operators were determined to clean up their act, but that provincial and national transport departments should do more to have the Operating Licensing Board work
efficiently.

"We also request the government to speed up the taxi recapitalisation programme so all of us can be ready in time for the 2010 Soccer World Cup" Pupu said.

Said Congress of Democratic Taxi Associations (Codeta) deputy chairman Peter Thethani: "This is a good thing as it will make long distance travelling easier for both commuters and drivers.
"We welcome the terminal as an important link in the public transport system."


Nelspruit to Get a Stadium

BuaNews (Tshwane)
NEWS
October 25, 2005
Posted to the web October 25, 2005

By Sizwe samaYende
Nelspruit

Even if FIFA does not choose Mpumalanga to host 2010 soccer World Cup matches, plans will go ahead to build a sports stadium in the provincial capital.

Deputy manager at the Mbombela municipality and head of the provincial bidding team, Roelf Kotze, says a proper stadium in the city was long overdue.

"The stadium might be different to what a world cup soccer stadium would be," Mr Kotze said.

"All the hype and excitement about the world cup would be gone, and we'd sit down and re-plan."

He said Mpumalanga still had a good chance to host World Cup games after making a presentation to a 13-member FIFA technical team

last Thursday.

Mpumalanga has proposed building a 40 000-seater stadium on a community-owned farm at Mataffin just outside Nelspruit at a cost of R335 million.

The Mdluli clan owns this prime piece of agricultural property after regaining ownership following a successful restitution land claim.

"We're quite confident after showing FIFA what we can offer. We were able to answer all their questions," Mr Kotze said.

The delegation also took a quick tour to inspect potential training venues such as KaNyamazane stadium near Nelspruit, KaBokweni stadium near White River and the Nelspruit rugby stadium.

They then flew to Mozambique and Swaziland, also to inspect potential training venues there since the two countries are merely an average of 100km from Mpumalanga.

Nelspruit is bidding against Kimberley in the Northern Cape, Polokwane in Limpopo and Port Elizabeth in the Eastern Cape to host the world's greatest soccer showpiece.

The 2010 matches will be played on eight stadia across South Africa, the first African country to host the soccer World Cup.

Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Gautrain to cost R20bn - Manuel
South Africa will spend more than R20-billion over the next 5 years on a high-speed train project and R3-billion more to upgrade sports facilities for the 2010 Soccer World Cup, the government said yesterday.

The 80 km train line is designed to link Johannesburg and its airport to the capital Pretoria and forms a key part of the government's efforts to improve public transport ahead of the event, being held in Africa for the first time.

"This is a project of the Gauteng province, but it is an investment of national economic significance and its place in a larger transport strategy for the Gauteng region is currently under final scrutiny," Finance Minister Trevor Manuel told parliament during his Medium Term Budget Policy Statement.

"The overall costs to the fiscus of Gautrain will exceed R20-billion over the next 5 years," he said.

The train project was originally estimated to cost taxpayers about R7-billion.

It has been described by officials as Africa's biggest public-private partnership and is expected to create 148 000 jobs - a much-needed boost in a country with an official unemployment rate of 26,5%.

The train will carry soccer fans between Johannesburg and Pretoria at speeds of between 160 and 180 km per hour and serve as an alternative to the congested highway linking the two main cities once the tournament is over.

The state has picked the Bombela Consortiumm comprising Canadian train maker Bombardier, South African engineering form Murray & Roberts and French firms Bouygues Travaux Public and RAPT Development to build the train.

Manuel also said that the government would set aside 3 billion rand over the next 3 years to modernise its sports stadia for the Soccer World Cup.

"Decisions need to be taken over the next few months, with a view to constructions beginning next year," he said.

South Africa is hoping to modernise and upgrade its stadia by 2008, two years ahead of the mid-2010 event.

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Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 08:56 PM
LOC call on Fifa to name 2010 host cities earlier
October 26, 2005, 16:30

The 2010 Local Organising Committee (LOC) has requested world governing body Fifa to bring forward the announcement of the host cities for the 2010 soccer World Cup.

Trevor Manuel, the finance minister, allocated R241 million to the LOC during yesterday's mini budget, but the LOC can only allocate the money once Fifa has approved the host cities. The eight or 10 host cities were only going to be announced in July next year, but because the South African government has lived up to its promise that it is committed to the 2010 World Cup, the LOC will try and get some action from Fifa.

Strenghtening case to Fifa
Irvin Khoza, the LOC chairperson, says the announcement by Manuel stipulating the money allocation for the infrastructure will strengthen their case to Fifa to bring forward the announcement of host cities. The committee which will oversee the process in the build-up to 2010 has also been established. It comprises of members from the LOC, government, corporate South Africa and the legal fraternity.

Khoza says the committee has been assigned to finalise the adjudication and also identifying the host cities so that they can start now in allocating the funds to appropriate projects in the the various cities.

Fifa's national executive committee is meeting again in December when the South African report and the country's progress will be discussed.

great prairie
October 26th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Prediction: USA wins :)

Mo Rush
October 26th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Fifa Satisfied With SA's Preparations for 2010 World Cup

BuaNews (Tshwane)
NEWS
October 23, 2005
Posted to the web October 24, 2005

By Themba Gadebe
Johannesburg

The Federation of International Football Associations (Fifa) is impressed with the way South Africa is making its preparations for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

A Fifa delegation was in the country for a week-long inspections of some of the venues identified to host some of the 2010 soccer tournaments.

Stadiums visited were in Kimberly, Orkney, Potchefstroom, Polokwane and Nelspruit.

Addressing the media before the team's departure on Friday, head of delegation Jim Brown expressed their satisfaction at South Africa's "level of preparation and understanding of the requirements" saying the report back to Fifa President Sepp Blatter would be positive.

"We are overwhelmed by the spirit of commitment, cooperation, enthusiasm and willingness to build a successful world cup.

"South Africa's commitment and our relationship with the Local Organising Committee (Loc) has been consistent, giving us a positive indication," Brown said.

The Fifa team included Jerome Valcke, director of marketing and television and Alain Leiblang, head of media operations.

The delegation indicated that it had no concerns but noted that the focus was now on the question of building stadiums and to develop time-frames.

CEO of the 2010 World Cup Loc, Danny Jordaan said the committee showed Fifa an insight into the country's 13 proposed venues.

They also showed the Fifa team an "insight" into the infrastructure of Swaziland and Mozambique.

Stadiums in both countries according to Mr Jordaan would be used for training sessions and friendly matches.

This was in line with the concept of hosting an "African World Cup", he said.

However, an announcement regarding host cities is yet to be made.

"The announcement will be made after required documentation like the report back stadium agreement has been done. There is some work to be done," Mr Jordaan said.

The announcement would be made by Fifa after being informed by Loc.

The delegation further announced that it would be opening its permanent office in the country at the beginning of 2006 which would operate until conclusion of the 2010 soccer World Cup games.

Rogério Brasileiro
October 26th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Prediction: USA wins :)

Maybe in 3010....hehehehehehe :)

Giorgio
October 27th, 2005, 04:38 AM
What happened to the other thread? :?

40Acres
October 27th, 2005, 07:33 AM
2010 is going to be great. i'm very happy for Africa and S Africa for winning the greatest sporting event in the world. I had to miss Germany because i couldnt get tix and i'm afraid to go without, but i HOPE to get tix to SA. Its going to be FUN!

dANIEL2004
October 27th, 2005, 11:03 AM
This organization will be a failure, its obvious.

Mo Rush
October 27th, 2005, 11:24 AM
Africa: Full steam ahead Print This Item Email This Item

Pinsent Masons is supporting South African law firm Ledwaba Mazwai in advising the Gauteng Provincial Government on a major rail link project. Geoff Roberts and Metja Ledwaba report on the venture and the PPP scene in South Africa

The Gautrain rail link project is being seen as an opportunity for South Africa to show its mettle in public-private partnership (PPP) and infrastructure projects. Gautrain consists of an 80km high-speed rail system linking Johannesburg, Tshwane (Pretoria) and Johannesburg International Airport. It is being procured using a PPP model and is the largest transportation infrastructure PPP project undertaken in South Africa (and Africa) to date. The private sector participation entails the design, construction, operation and maintenance and part-financing of the system.

Following the announcement of the Bombela Consortium, comprising Bombardier Transportation, Bouygues Travaux Publics, Murray & Roberts, the Loliwe and SPG companies and RATP Developpement, the Gauteng Provincial Government is negotiating the concession documents with Bombela, with a view to achieving financial closure at the end of this year. The concession period consists of a four-and-a-half-year construction period followed by a 15-year operating period.

PPPs have become an increasingly common method of procurement in South Africa since May 2000, when the South African Treasury brought regulations governing the process into effect. During the procurement lifecycle, there are various stages at which Treasury approval must be sought and granted — feasibility, during the tender process and in the final stages of negotiation — ensuring that key principles such as affordability, value for money and risk allocation are addressed and viable solutions are proposed.

This structured approval process is complemented by standardised PPP agreement and treasury guidelines on implementation of PPPs. Following discussions with the financial sector, lawyers, the construction sector and the facilities management sector, standardised PPP provisions were published in August 2004 setting out detailed explanatory requirements and standard clauses for PPP contracts. This is similar to the Standardisation of PFI Contracts version 3 documentation issued by Partner-ships UK. Standardisation in this way has helped to instil confidence in the method of procurement, give certainty to key contractual terms in PPP agreements and reduce the transaction time and cost of PPP projects.

Gautrain is one of a number of projects, at national and provincial level, procured under the PPP regime, creating a dynamic and exciting market for participation and innovation at all levels and contributing to the socio-economic development of the country.

Gauteng is a very important region economically and industrially in South Africa. The main contributor to South Africa’s economy, it accounts for approximately one-third of the nation’s gross domestic product. However, current traffic problems in the Tshwane-Johannesburg corridor and the legacy of South Africa’s political and cultural history means that there is yet further potential for economic growth.

Gautrain will play an important role in stimulating growth, creating jobs, relieving traffic congestion, promoting the use of public transport, urban restruc-turing and regeneration and achieving the province’s goals in relation to empowerment and equality. For an infrastructure project of this scale, innovative solutions are key to its success in terms of value for money, usage and the achievement of other objectives such as socioeconomic development and environmental issues.

The success of Gautrain will be dependent on its integration with existing transport services in Johannesburg and Tshwane. A bus feeder and distributor network will be put in place as part of the overall scheme. Operators of the feeder and distributor services will be sourced from the pool of existing operators in the area, innovatively combining formal and informal providers of public transport and enabling enhancement of services offered by existing businesses.

The Government has formulated a strategy to encourage economic participation and contribution by historically disadvantaged individuals. This strategy is reflected in the standard PPP provisions, which stipulate an acceptable minimum threshold for participation by black economic empowerment entities. Project agreements can stipulate higher levels. This approach ensures that established businesses are encouraged to identify credible empowerment partners which will participate in the project. Failure to achieve minimum levels of participation may lead to penalties or contract termination under the terms of the concession agreement. These mechanisms have been incorporated into the Gautrain Concession Agreement and formed the basis of the evaluation of the Preferred Bidder’s proposal.

Gautrain is scheduled to be in operation by the advent of the FIFA World Cup in 2010 in South Africa. This will be an opportunity for South Africa to show to its people and to a wider global audience that it can compete on any world stage in the development of infrastructure.

Mo Rush
October 27th, 2005, 01:44 PM
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Johannesburg will have two stadiums in the World Cup 2010 and also boasts the opening match, one semi final and the final match of the tournament.

Soccer City is the jewel in South Africa’s crown, built in 1987 and with a capacity of 94,700 (excluding Media and VIP’s) it is sure to offer a great atmosphere for the lucky few that get tickets and hopefully as the stadium to be used for the first game, provide an excellent springboard for a magnificent tournament.

For 2010, the upper tier will be extended around the stadium, an encircling roof will be constructed, new changing room facilities will be developed and new floodlights will be installed.

Ellis ParkEllis Park was built in 1982 and is primarily used as a rugby stadium but for 2010, new upper tiers will be constructed behind each of the goals, at the north and south ends of the venue, increasing the net capacity by 10,149 seats to a total 65 - 70, 000 and the stadium is earmarked as a venue for one of the semi finals.

Local training venues to be used include Orlando Stadium, Dobsonville Stadium, Milpark,Rand Afrikaans University Stadium, Vosloorus, Alexandra, Herman Immelman and Makalareng, Makulong.



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Giorgio
October 27th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Its actually called the 2010 FIFA World Cup or at the very least, Football world cup

gentlejunho
October 27th, 2005, 10:12 PM
My best wish for SA's FIFA WC 2010 !!

Loranga
October 28th, 2005, 04:21 PM
Anyone found these stadia on Google Earth? :)

Mo Rush
October 28th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Anyone found these stadia on Google Earth? :)

yes...but joburg is not updated on google ill see what i can do...

hngcm
October 29th, 2005, 08:58 AM
Kinda dissapointed by the stadiums, but meh...

Mexico will raise the World Cup in 2010!

Mo Rush
October 29th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Huge sponsorships secured for 2010 World Cup: S. African official
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The 2010 World Cup soccer tournament to be staged in South Africa is already a commercial success thanks to huge international sponsorships secured, an official said.

South Africa has already financially outperformed its 2006 World Cup counterparts in Germany, Danny Jordaan, chief executive of the event's Local Organizing Committee, was quoted as saying by South Africa's government news service BuaNews on Thursday.

He added that the tournament would create unprecedented opportunities for small business enterprises, as the visiting soccer fans would be spending an estimated 9.8 billion rand (1.48 billion US dollars) throughout the country.

Jordaan said all 2010 World Cup projects in South Africa were on course, due to "hard" behind-the-scenes work by the organizing committee, which includes four national cabinet ministers, high profile business leaders and representatives from various other sectors of society.

Jordaan urged South Africans to start learning a few foreign languages, so they could help to make visiting soccer fans feel at home.

He also confirmed that a complete list of matches and venues would be available six months before the start of the tournament.

He noted there were strong indications that most South Africans would be able to watch 2010 matches on their cellphones, due to sophisticated technology which would be introduced in the country, to coincide with the event.

However, he said that the committee's international media publicity campaign for 2010 would only be launched in earnest after the completion of the 2006 tournament in Germany.

Earlier this month, Jordaan said South Africa had signed contracts with five major companies to participate in the World Cup. But he did not elaborate.

Mo Rush
October 30th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Sasfin Fund to Plug Investors Into SA's Infrastructure Blitz

Business Day (Johannesburg)
NEWS
October 28, 2005
Posted to the web October 28, 2005

By Stephen Gunnion
Johannesburg

SASFIN is giving investors the chance to benefit from the spending on infrastructure ahead of the 2010 World Cup, and other social and investment expenditure projects.

The group has launched the Sasfin TwentyTen Fund, a unit trust which will invest in companies that will profit from spending on capital formation, the elimination of disease and social grants.

TwentyTen fund manager David Shapiro said there was a global move to build infrastructure, particularly with the strong growth emerging from China and the lack of capacity to fuel that growth.

Shapiro said there was also a need for government to make its mark on the economy with projects like the Gautrain and the stadiums that will have to be developed for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

Shapiro said Germany, which is hosting the World Cup next year, would set a standard that SA would have to meet.

In his medium-term budget policy statement this week, Finance Minister Trevor Manuel said the overall cost of the Gautrain would exceed R20bn over the next five years. Development of stadiums would cost about R3bn. Both of these figures are much higher than earlier estimates.

"I think they (government) have very ambitious revenue plans," Shapiro said.

Altogether, government has identified infrastructural development programmes that could cost R200bn, while the private sector is forecast to spend over R100bn on upgrading plants and adding capacity, Shapiro said.

Capital expenditure programmes include the Gautrain, the second network operator and upgrades and expansion spending at Sasol, Eskom and Transnet.

The TwentyTen Fund would invest in companies engaged in infrastructure development, building and construction, transport, telecommunications, health care and pharmaceuticals.

A second new unit trust, the Sasfin Socially Responsible Fund, would invest in companies included in the JSE's Socially Responsible Investment Index, Sasfin said.

Mo Rush
October 31st, 2005, 11:56 PM
Finals stadiums still undecided
October 31, 2005

Officials say South Africa plans to announce the 10 stadiums to be used for the 2010 World Cup finals next year. Danny Jordaan, chief executive officer of the South Africa 2010 local organising committee, said the 13 original venues proposed were all still under consideration for the final list of 10.

"We discussed the matter in our meeting with (world soccer's governing body) Fifa on October 17, but the final list of venues is far from decided," Jordaan said yesterday.


"All cities now have to sign host and stadium agreements and it is only after this that the decision on the 10 venues will be made."

He said he expected the process to be completed early next year. The 13 original venues proposed are in Johannesburg (2), Pretoria (2), Bloemfontein, Cape Town, Durban, Kimberley, Nelspruit, Polokwane, Port Elizabeth, Rustenburg and Orkney.



New Safa initiative aims for smooth ride to 2010
October 31, 2005, 22:15

The South African Football Association (Safa) executive has launched a strategy to undertake the momentous task of hosting the 2010 World Cup. The strategy was launched at a three-day indaba in Magaliesburg over the weekend.

Labelled "Team 2010", one of the key elements of the ambitious programme is the planned appointment of a national technical director (TD) at the helm of a revamped technical committee that will consist of a maximum of nine members. The absence of a suitable TD and qualified technical committee to co-ordinate national teams made up of different age groups has long been considered a hinderance in the strategy to build a Bafana team measuring up to world standards.

It is planned the TD will operate in close accord with the 2010 Bafana coach, while not encroaching on the coach's traditional independence. The TD's main task will be to ensure that all national teams operate seamlessly.

Building Safa House
Safa's "Vision of 2010" includes the repositioning of the existing development trust. Tokyo Sexwale, the Mvelaphanda boss, has been appointed new chairperson of the intensified operation. Safa will also seek to form a seperate registered company to "exploit commercial opportunities resulting from the staging of the World Cup in South Africa."

Molefi Oliphant, the Safa president, has been mandated to take responsibility of the building and completion of Safa House, earmarked as the new headquarters of the national association.

The structure is due for completion early next year, although no details are available as to its exact positioning and how it will be completed in the short time remaining.

Meanwhile the much-delayed completion of the FNB Stadium, earmarked as the 2010 headquarters, has also been described as urgent. The Soccer City Trust has been instructed to look into the matter immediately and ensure construction commences early next year. - Sapa

hngcm
November 1st, 2005, 06:53 AM
How is security in SA?

Harkeb
November 1st, 2005, 09:00 AM
With the terrorism going on in the world today, do you think we would take any chances? That's one of the main priorities the authorities is looking at.

Mo Rush
November 1st, 2005, 11:44 AM
SAPS Prepares for 2010 Soccer World Cup

BuaNews (Tshwane)
NEWS
October 16, 2005
Posted to the web October 17, 2005

By Nozipho Dlamini

Government is to appoint dedicated individuals who will form part of established committees to ensure the success of the country's security strategy, starting from now until 2010 and beyond.

This emerged at a meeting senior police management from all the nine provinces held in Pretoria last week, to brainstorm safety and security issues in preparation for the Soccer World Cup South Africa will be hosting in 2010.

Assistant Commissioner Joseph Ngobeni said their mission was to provide safety and security through dedicated and professional policing.

It is expected that hundreds of thousands of people, including a FIFA delegation and international supporters will be visiting South Africa during this auspicious occasion.

The assistant commissioner said planning focused on the normal policing and specific crucial areas, such as the safeguarding of all the VIPs, teams and the public during and after the soccer matches.

"We are satisfied that, with our track record of expertise and experience acquired during previous big events, such as the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD), we will be able to achieve our objective of securing the safety and security in our beautiful country," he said.

He added that they were confident that, with the support of the public, South Africa would once again make history by hosting an event of this magnitude peacefully.

"We therefore urged all South Africans to lead by example by showing our international counterparts what a disciplined nation we are and by displaying our Ubuntu culture.

"Most importantly, we have adopted an integrated approach in this process by working very closely with representatives from other government departments, the South African Football Association and FIFA," he said.

uno
November 1st, 2005, 05:58 PM
What is city in South Africa to be a host of World Cup.

Mo Rush
November 1st, 2005, 11:56 PM
What makes South Africa Unique
What makes South Africa Unique?

Infrastructure:

The world's biggest hospital is the Chris Hani - Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto.
South Africa is one of only 12 countries where tap water is safe to drink. Its tap water is rated the third best worldwide.
South Africa is the world's biggest producer and exporter of mohair.
South Africa mines deeper than any other country in the world, up to depths of 2.5 miles at the Western Deep Levels Mine.
It has the largest hydro-electric tunnel system in the world at the Orange Fish Rivers Tunnel.
Electricity costs are the second lowest in the world.
South Africa is the world's biggest producer of gold, platinum, chromium, vanadium, manganese and alumino-silicates. It also produces nearly 40% of the world's chrome and vermiculite.
The world's two largest platinum mines are located near Rustenburg.
The Johannesburg Stock Exchange is ranked as the 10th largest in the world.
South Africa has the world's second oldest air force, established 1920.
Currently, South Africa is the only country in the world which has voluntarily dismantled its nuclear arsenal.
Durban is the largest port in Africa and the ninth largest in the world.
While occupying 4% of Africa's landmass, South Africa boasts more than 50% of the cars, phones, automatic bank tellers and industrial facilities on the continent.
The Southern African Large Telescope (SALT), now rising from a Karoo koppie in Sutherland will be the largest telescope in the southern hemisphere (and largest in the world), when completed in 2005.
South Africa is a middle income country with a strong emerging economy – the 25th largest in the world - and produces more goods than Portugal, Russia or Singapore. It also has Africa’s biggest economy, three times larger than Nigeria or Egypt.
South Africa has the fourth largest coal reserves in the world. Its coal industry ranks sixth in the world in terms of output of hard coal and third in terms of seaborne international coal trade.

Companies:

The Rand Refinery is the largest refinery of gold in the world.
The South African oil company SASOL has established the only commercially proven oil from coal operations in the world.
The world's biggest producer of non-fuel minerals is South African company Anglo American Corporation.
The University of South Africa UNISA is a pioneer of tertiary distance education and is the largest correspondence university in the world with 250,000 students.
Eskom, the national electricity utility, is the world's fourth largest in terms of both sales volume and normal capacity.
The De Beers Group of companies control more than 80% of the world supply of rough diamonds.
South African Breweries ranks as the second largest brewing company in the world. It supplies up to 50% of China's beer.
Samancor Limited is the world's largest producer by sales of manganese and chrome products.
KSDP Pentagraph is rated as the world's second best design company by British design magazine, 'Creative Review'. The company is responsible for the new-look packaging of 'Fanta' and design modifications of 'Coca-Cola' soft drinks worldwide.

Entertainment:

South Africa has the second oldest Film Industry in the world.
The Cape Argus Cycle Tour is the largest timed cycle race in the world.
Local Big Macs are now officially the cheapest, about 30% cheaper than anywhere else in the world.
Cape Grace Hotel (120 rooms) was voted World's Best Hotel, by readers of Conde Naste Traveller magazine (this hotel attained the highest score ever in the history of the awards).
M-Net is Africa's largest pay television service, delivering 24-hour programming to dozens of countries across the continent.

Travel & Nature:

The Kruger National Park nature reserve supports the greatest variety of wildlife species on the African continent. It is roughly the size of Wales, or the state of Massachusetts (USA), which makes it the eighth largest reserve in the world
The Lost City Resort is the largest thermal resort in the world as well as the largest building project undertaken in the southern hemisphere.
Home to one of the world's 6 floral kingdoms, South Africa has one-tenth (23 200) of the world's flowering plants, of which nearly 19 000 are endemic, making it the richest region in the world in terms of species to area - 1.7 times richer even than Brazil.
It is home to more kinds of mammals than North and South America combined; or Europe and Asia together.
Table Mountain in Cape Town is one of the seven wonders of the geological world. Standing at just over 1000 metres, it dominates the city's skyline. Table Mountain can be seen as far as 200 kilometres out to sea.
Paarl is South Africa's third oldest town and home to KWV Cellars- the largest wine cellar in the world (covering 22 hectares).
Kimberley's 'Big Hole' is the largest hand-dug hole in the world and is deeper than Table Mountain is high. Kimberley also has the only drive-in pubs in the world.
Mpumalanga province is home to the Blyderiver Canyon, the third largest canyon in the world.
The Tugela Falls in KwaZulu Natal, at 948m (3110ft), is the second highest waterfall in the world.
The world's best land-based whale-watching spot is located in Hermanus, Western Cape.

Seal Island in False Bay is the only place in the world where Great Whites consistently breach (leap completely out of the water) to catch their prey, mainly seals. It also boasts the highest frequency of Great White shark attacks in the world.

In 1991, South Africa became the first country in the world to protect the Great White shark.

According to 'Trivial Pursuit', Graaf-Reinett in the Western Cape has the world's biggest grapevine.

The Boesmansgat is renowned as the second deepest sinkhole (about 299 metres) and the largest of its kind in the world. Many attempts have been made at world records in cave-diving in this exceptional sinkhole.

Close to Oudtshoorn are the Cango Caves, a 3 km long sequence of caverns of glittering stalagmites and stalactites, which makes it the longest underground cave sequence in the world.

Fossilized footprints were found at Langebaan Lagoon, Western Cape, in a sand-dune-turned-rock. The 117,000 year-old fossils are the oldest known footprints of an anatomically modern human.

The Sterkfontein Caves, in Gauteng, is the site where the oldest human skeletal remains were found in the world (3,5 million years old). This is the place where the human race was born!

The 2,02 billion year-old crater in Vredefort is the oldest known crater on Earth. The general estimate of its original diamater is roughly 300 km, which makes it the largest crater on the planet, as well.

The St. Lucia estuarine system, in Kwazulu Natal, is the largest estuarine system in Africa.


Military History:
The Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902) was the first war of the 20th century and saw the introduction of trench warfare, sadly - the first large-scale use of concentration camps for non-combatants, and the most prolonged period of guerilla warfare by a "conquered" nation's military against a "victorious" army.

Camouflage was first used in battle by the Boers, who effectively used camouflaged trenches and adapted battledress to blend into treeless landscapes. It was during this war that British forces were forced to switch from colourful uniforms to more sobre 'khaki'.

The world's first news footage and propoganda films were shot during the Anglo-Boer War.

Technologically, it saw the first use of a generation of weapons that are still with us today - automatic handguns, magazine-fed rifles, and machine guns.

The Guiness Book of Records lists the Anglo-Boer War as Britain's most costly war outside of the two World Wars.




Innovative Inventions:
The 'Hippo Water Roller' is a classic example of design with SA conditions in mind. The roller is intended for use by communities without access to tap water. It enables people to pull a 90litre drum of water - instead of carrying it by hand - with a minimum of effort.


The 'Kreepy Krawly', the world's first automatic pool cleaning unit, was invented by two engineers from Randburg.


The 'Freeplay' wind-up radio was designed by Syzygy, a Cape Town company. Power for the radio is generated by a winding handle. The institute says the radio is not only useful in SA, but also in the entire southern African region, where access to electricity and the high cost of battery power are major stumbling blocks to radio access.




The CT Scanner was invented by Allan Macleod Cormack, from Cape Town, for which he won a Nobel Physics Prize in 1979.



Ken Hall has been given an accolade by Time magazine for his plastic mini-oven which he invented to reduce the risk of fires in squatter camps. He said he designed his oven, called the 'Cobb', after realising how people and children in squatter camps were burned because of exploding paraffin stoves. The "oven" uses six charcoal brickets which provide heat for more than two hours.




Short Articles

U.S. State Department View:
South Africa has a sophisticated financial structure with a large and active stock exchange that ranks 11th in the world in terms of total market capitalization. The South African Reserve Bank (SARB) performs all central banking functions. The SARB is independent and now operates in much the same way as Western central banks, influencing interest rates and controlling liquidity through its interest rates on funds provided to private sector banks. Quantitative credit controls and administrative control of deposit and lending rates have largely disappeared.



Healthy & Natural, Vol. 7, Issue 5:
Scientific studies from South Africa and Japan corroborate findings of potent antioxidants in an indigenous herb tea from the Southwestern Cape region of South Africa. Called rooibos (roy-boss), this red tea is the only other tea in the world which undergoes a fermentation process like black tea. Fermentation turns the leaves of rooibos from green to a deep red color and gives it a slightly sweet note with a deep body. Studies show that rooibos contains comparable amounts of polyphenols to green tea and shows anti-mutagenic, anti-carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory and anti-viral activity. Rooibos, unlike black and green tea is completely caffeine-free.



EcoTourist:
Whale watching in South Africa has become part of the South African experience for tourists. The Cape Whale Route stretches from Doringbaai on the West Coast to the Tsitsikamma National Park on the East Coast and incorporates many varied whale-viewing points. The best land-based whale-watching spot is located in Hermanus. About thirty-seven species of whales and dolphins typically visit South Africa. The southern right whale is seen the most frequently.

Mo Rush
November 1st, 2005, 11:58 PM
SALT is the biggest telescope in the southern hemisphere, and equal to the largest in the world. It will enable photography and analysis of the radiation from astronomical objects out of reach of northern hemisphere telescopes.

First light with the full mirror was achieved on 1 September 2005 with 1 arc second resolution images of globular cluster 47 Tucanae, open cluster NGC6152, spiral galaxy NGC6744, and the Lagoon Nebula being obtained. The official opening will happen on 10 November 2005.

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hngcm
November 4th, 2005, 03:48 AM
With the terrorism going on in the world today, do you think we would take any chances? That's one of the main priorities the authorities is looking at.

How's the crime rate?

KingKong1
November 5th, 2005, 05:05 AM
The Anglo-Boer War (1899-1902) was the first war of the 20th century and saw the introduction of trench warfare
Trench warfare was first used by Maori in the New Zealand Wars between 1845 and 1872, the British copied after realising the benefits.

Zaqattaq
November 5th, 2005, 06:21 AM
2010 will be sweet because Sven will be out

Mo Rush
November 5th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Public infrastructure investment to rise to R111bn in 2006
Finance Minister Trevor Manuel, presenting his medium-term budget policy statement in Cape Town last week, indicated that invest- ment spend will continue to drive economic growth.

Public-expenditure plans have been adjusted upwards, and the 2006 budget will add R78,3-billion, over the baseline, to national, provincial and local spending plans over the next mid-term expenditure framework (MTEF).

This amount, which partly goes towards accele-rated infrastructure investment, translates into average real growth in noninterest expenditure of 6,3% a year and arises from an anticipated collection of R30,2-billion in additional revenue and an increase in the budget deficit from one per cent this financial year (estimated in February at 3,1%) to 2,2% in 2006/7.

The amount is also earmarked to promote and develop partnerships between the public and private sectors, focused on housing, invest-ment in the built environment and industrial infrastructure.

Manuel said estimates indicate that capital-expenditure plans of the public sector will amount to R111-billion next year, which will rise to R136-billion in 2008/9.

The MTEF’s framework and division of reve-nue from 2005/6 to 2008/9 indicate that additional national departmental allocations and conditional grants will include R20-billion for investment into the built environment, which includes housing, municipal infrastructure grants, water schemes and public transport, as well as community facilities.

In addition, some R9-billion is to be spent in supporting science and technology development, industrial-policy initiatives, communications infra- structure, the national roads network, tourism development and small-enterprise develop-ment. A further R8-billion has been allocated for investment, in part for upgrading ports of entry, modernising financial administration and strengthening revenue administration over the mid-term period.

Looking at Manuel’s infrastructure-expenditure trends and estimates, capital expenditure is projected to increase from 5,6% of gross domestic product (GDP) in this financial year to 6,7% in 2008/9.

This comprises infrastructure investment by major public enterprises and stepped-up infrastructure allocations to the national, pro-vincial and local governments.

Over the MTEF period, additions for infrastructure amount to R31,5-billion, of which R26-billion has already been allocated.

Unallocated amounts include R2,5-billion for community infrastructure and R3-billion for 2010 soccer World Cup stadiums and related infrastruc-ture.

A further R14,3-billion has been set aside for transport infrastructure at the road and passenger-rail levels.

“In respect of infrastructure projects, for which provision was made in the February budget speech, I am pleased to be able to confirm that good progress has been made in identifying municipal transport-improvement projects, several of which relate to requirements for the 2010 soccer World Cup.” Manuel said that the first allocations, amount-ing to R242-million, are to be transferred to municipalities in the current financial year.

A further amount of R241,5-million is recom-mended on the Sport and Recreation vote, to complete planning design work and begin con-struction at stadiums earmarked for use in the World Cup tournament.

Also included in the infrastructure allocations is an amount of R580-million for further work on the demonstration plant of the pebble-bed modular reactor project.

Manuel added that funding of the Gautrain – which is expected to cost some R20-billion over the next five years – cannot be undertaken within the confines of the provincial share of revenue.

Further infrastructure projects to be undertaken include construction of the De Hoop dam as part of the Olifants river water-resources development plan, and other water scheme refurbishments, which have been allocated R1,2-billion over the MTEF period.

Industrial development zones, including Coega, have been allocated R1,5-billion, while research-and-development infrastructure, through the Department of Science and Technology, will be boosted by R1,3-billion over three years.

The Municipal Infrastructure Grant allocation for social infrastructure is boosted to a total of R25,3-billion over the MTEF period.

The provincial infrastructure grant is allocated R15,1-billion over the next three years, while housing is to be boosted by R3,5-billion, of which R1,7-billion is infrastructure spend, bringing the total housing infrastructure budget estimate to R21,8-billion.

Total capital expenditure by nonfinancial public enterprises is estimated at R113-billion over the MTEF period.

Capital projects in the private sector, said Manuel, are planned in a number of industries, including the automotive sector, which has some R5,5-billion planned, and the mining sector’s plans include a five-year R6-billion platinum project.

Augmenting the private sector’s investment is government’s own plans to increase spending, which grew at 3,2% in the first half of this year.

The private sector continued to show growth and aided in economic development, with manufacturing continuing its upswing, as growth in value-added production increased by 2,9% in the first half of this year.

Modest production output growth of 2,2% in the first quarter was fol-lowed by faster growth of 4,1% in the second quarter, driven by a surge in purchasing orders from wholesalers and retailers replenishing stocks.

Strong investment in production capacity in manufacturing, of 6,5%, and output of 3,4% in the first half resulted in capacity use remaining flat, at 83,9%.

However, levels of investment in the sector bode well, according to the review.

Year-on-year, construction grew by 6,7%, and the civil engineering sector was singled out as having picked up notably in the first half.

This sector will continue to be supported by public-infrastructure projects that include ports, power generation and large water projects.

However, supply of building materials, espe-cially bricks and cement, is under pressure, due to limited capacity among key producers.

The value of merchandise exports increased by an annualised 14% during the first half of this year on the back of commodities demand in Asia. Imports increased by an annualised 8,5%, driven by demand for mineral products, including crude oil and manufactured goods like machinery and electrical equipment.

Oil-price increases and continued imports of capital goods are expected to place pressure on the trade balance in the second half of this year.

This, however, is not expected to raise the cur- rent account deficit beyond 3,5% of GDP for the year. However, there is a blip on the horizon that may tone down growth locally.

Crude oil, which accounts for 10% of South Africa’s total imports and is 10% of the country’s energy sources, is – in rand terms – above the highs experienced in the 1970s.

The International Monetary Fund has indicated that, should the price of oil increase permanently by $10 a barrel, growth in the Group of Seven coun- tries will reduce by half a percentage point.

Mo Rush
November 5th, 2005, 06:11 PM
Disney, Univision Retain Soccer's World Cup in Record Package

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Soccer's World Cup telecasts in the U.S. will remain on ABC, ESPN and Univision through 2014 under a record $425 million package awarded by the sport's worldwide governing body.

FIFA, the Zurich, Switzerland-based international soccer federation, said the contracts included the men's World Cups in 2010 and 2014, the Women's World Cups in 2007 and 2011, and 11 other events.

It said the agreement, which includes multimedia, broadband, Internet and mobile telephones, is its largest ever for one country.

Univision Communications Inc. will pay $325 million to retain the Spanish-language TV rights it has held since 1978. The other $100 million will come from Walt Disney Co.'s ABC and ESPN, which first carried English-language telecasts of the championship tournament in 1982.

Rights for the 2002 and 2006 World Cups cost Univision, the largest U.S. Spanish-language television and radio broadcaster, $150 million and Disney $40 million.

More than 35 million viewers watched the 2002 World Cup on Univision and more than 50 million are expected to watch next June's tournament in Germany, the network said. It said it has $180 million in advertiser commitments for the 2006 World Cup.

``The FIFA World Cup is the most important sporting event among U.S. Hispanics,'' Univision President Ray Rodriguez said in a statement. ``It has enormous advertiser and audience appeal.''

The 2010 World Cup is to be played in South Africa, while the 2014 tournament will be in a South American country yet to be picked.

Kampflamm
November 5th, 2005, 09:30 PM
SALT is the biggest telescope in the southern hemisphere, and equal to the largest in the world. It will enable photography and analysis of the radiation from astronomical objects out of reach of northern hemisphere telescopes.

First light with the full mirror was achieved on 1 September 2005 with 1 arc second resolution images of globular cluster 47 Tucanae, open cluster NGC6152, spiral galaxy NGC6744, and the Lagoon Nebula being obtained. The official opening will happen on 10 November 2005.

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Interesting...but what does this have to do with the World Cup?

il fenomeno
November 5th, 2005, 09:41 PM
to spot where the missed dutch penalties went

antigr12
November 5th, 2005, 10:30 PM
SALT is the biggest telescope in the southern hemisphere, and equal to the largest in the world. It will enable photography and analysis of the radiation from astronomical objects out of reach of northern hemisphere telescopes.

First light with the full mirror was achieved on 1 September 2005 with 1 arc second resolution images of globular cluster 47 Tucanae, open cluster NGC6152, spiral galaxy NGC6744, and the Lagoon Nebula being obtained. The official opening will happen on 10 November 2005.

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USELESS PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALIST SCIENCE , just because ufotech could help population in this world and rejects this pity of arrogant and insulting :moods: posers :bash: , sorry for them :)

Mo Rush
November 6th, 2005, 12:22 AM
to spot where the missed dutch penalties went

and the english....

cmc
November 7th, 2005, 02:47 AM
Isn't South Africa going to use 10 stadiums instead of the 13 they had planned for 2010........

Mo Rush
November 7th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Isn't South Africa going to use 10 stadiums instead of the 13 they had planned for 2010........

yes 10 is correct...costs minimized and its just more logistically sound.

Mo Rush
November 7th, 2005, 11:31 PM
Jordaan to speak at world sporting conference
November 07, 2005, 17:45

With pressure building up in London to see who hosts the 2011 Rugby World Cup, Danny Jordaan, the CEO of 2010 bid, and other sport leaders will address a major sport conference in London tomorrow.

The conference promotes South Africa as an international destination for global sporting events. The conference programme highlights global sporting events planned to take place in South Africa over the next 12 years. Aside from soccer and rugby, South Africa's bid for a Formula One Grand Prix, Shosholoza, South Africa's challenge to the America Cup and the PGA Sunshine Tour, and other major golfing tournaments feature on the programme.

The organisers see the event as part of the final presentations this week to the International Rugby Board to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup. While Francois Pienaar will be engaged with the board, Riaan Oberholzer, who successfully managed the 1995 Bid, will be making South Africa's case at the conference.

Lyndon Worrall, the conference organiser, says the event was timed to coincide with the presentation. "Whatever the sport, we can put together the global event in South Africa. We have the organising and management skills, the advantage of the time zone from a broadcasting point of view, and the telecommunication capability, and we have the passion." - Sapa
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hngcm
November 9th, 2005, 03:04 AM
Isn't South Africa going to use 10 stadiums instead of the 13 they had planned for 2010........

t'was expected that they couldn't handle 13

Mo Rush
November 9th, 2005, 10:50 AM
t'was expected that they couldn't handle 13

no, minimizing costs . south africa has hosted the rugby world cup back in 1995 with many stadia across the country being used. Its simply about maximizing revenue. Only three new venues will be constructed. Some cities have a choice between two world class stadia

joburg 94,700 socce city to be used also ellis park 75,000
cape town athlone stadium 47,000(planned irrespective of world cup) and newlands stadium 50,900
the world cup will no be some huge waste of construction as japan korea was in 2002 with 20 stadia some which have been demolished and are rarely used.

BobDaBuilder
November 9th, 2005, 11:02 AM
South Africa will stage a superb World Cup. Probably the finest ever staged.

South Africa really reminds me of Australia in so many ways. There are the obvious differences, but generally it is so similar. Quite the shock if you travel overland across Africa from Europe and you come across it let me tell you.

The people who travel down there for the World Cup won't want to come back. Fingers cross the Aussies can make it again to the World Cup after they dispatch Uruguay this weekend.

hngcm
November 10th, 2005, 11:40 PM
^^ Like 4 years ago right?

BobDaBuilder
November 12th, 2005, 04:26 AM
^^^^^

Like coming up tomorrow dude. We'll give Uruguay a right stuffing!

Mo Rush
November 15th, 2005, 02:20 AM
entech says the digitisation of the television broadcasting signal distribution network should be upgraded and available by 2010.

The state-owned telecommunications operator Sentech says the digitisation of the television broadcasting signal distribution network should be upgraded and available by 2010.

This follows Finance Minister Trevor Manuel's announcement during his recent medium term budget speech that government will provide capital for the digitisation of the TV broadcasting infrastructure to Sentech.

Sentech spokesman Pranill Ramchander says Sentech requested capital of about a billion rand from government to upgrade and digitise the television broadcast network.

"We are still awaiting the final amount from government and we can't confirm whether we will be given the billion rand we requested. From then on we will be able to start the process of upgrading from an analogue to a digital system," says Ramchander.

He says the upgrade will drive SA into the modern age of broadcasting, bringing it in line with international trends and enable the country to meet its requirements in broadcasting the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup tournament to the rest of the world."

Ramchander says to meet this challenge, urgent attention will be given to policy frameworks, licensing conditions and funding to ensure that very strict timelines are met.

He says the other benefits of upgrading from an analogue to a digital broadcasting infrastructure include combining traditional television with multimedia applications to enhance the consumer's experience.

"The upgrade of the infrastructure also means better viewing and more choice in terms of channels for the consumers," says Ramchander.

Mo Rush
November 15th, 2005, 02:23 AM
No Idling As Contest Hots Up

Cape Argus (Cape Town)
NEWS
November 14, 2005
Posted to the web November 14, 2005

By Candice Bailey

She may have received a standing ovation for one of her songs. But for the first time since entering Idols Cape Town's Karin Kortjie received a negative comment from one of the judges.

After Kortjie sang Mary J Blige's Never Too Much last night, judge Gareth Cliff said he "did not think it was that great".

However, judge Randall Abrahams told Kortjie to excuse Cliff as he had only ever been to the Cape Town nightclub Galaxy once before, implying he was too young to understand the song.

With two weeks to the final, the five finalists, who each sang two songs, were showing signs of pressure.

Cape Town's other hopeful, Gift Gwe, got off to a rocky start with Usher's You Remind Me.

However, after performing his second song, Boys To Men's End of the Road, Cliff told him: "You've got the voice, you've got the looks, style and soul. I think you should win this."

Abrahams said he had booked himself a place in the finals and judge Mara Louw said he was talented.

In an insert, Gwe said his ideal performance would be at the 2010 Soccer World Cup so he could show the world what South Africa had to offer.

Kortjie, who also sang Shirley Bassey's Never Never Never, said her ideal performance would be at a Rugby World Cup game featuring South Africa.

Asked what she would do if she won, she said: "It doesn't matter if I don't win, as long as my career goes on. That's why I am here - to sing."


Helping Reach World Cup Goals

Sunday Times (Johannesburg)
NEWS
November 13, 2005
Posted to the web November 14, 2005
Johannesburg

SOUTH Africa's goal of hosting a successful Soccer World Cup in 2010 is being strengthened by the participation of the Development Bank of Southern Africa.

Executive manager of strategic initiatives Div Botha says that, given the bank's mandate as a development finance institution with a focus on infrastructure development, it saw that it could play a supporting role in ensuring facilities were in place to host a successful soccer spectacular.

"To this end we have assisted the local organising committee by gathering information and data from the various local authorities of potential host cities surrounding the facilities that are available and those still needed, as well as key socio-economic indicators," says Botha.

The bank compiled a preliminary report based on information provided by local authorities.

However, based on Fifa's basic requirements for host cities, more information was needed and the committee requested the DBSA to gather the outstanding information as well as visit the potential host cities to verify the information and indicate what would be expected from them.

This culminated in a final report which was submitted to the committee at the end of October.

"Our aim with this document is to provide an analysis of the infrastructure requirements of the candidate host cities, so that the committee is in a position to make an informed decision about which cities would be ready to host the event -- which is critical when you consider that it will cost up to R500-million to construct each new stadium," says Botha.

"And while Fifa is only likely to choose the host cities in 2007, South Africa needs to start making preparations now."

The report, which is not publicly available, profiles what facilities still need to be developed by candidate cities and the costs associated with developing supporting infrastructure. Factors such as transport, accommodation, safety and security, health and emergency services, banking services and recreational activities have been taken into account.

The report also offers a socio-economic analysis, which examines issues such as the impact on local communities, backlogs in terms of service provision and poverty alleviation.

"Fifa is also very sensitive to these issues and therefore the event offers a good opportunity to create jobs and address certain infrastructure backlogs. At the same time, it is important to have an integrated approach so that the facilities created will continue to have a positive impact on the people long after the event."

Although Botha is optimistic that the country will be ready in time, he says the stage has now been reached where serious planning for the event must begin.

"The government has already committed funds for the event, and I hope that, in due course, we will see allocations being made for preparation and planning.

"If this takes place within the next four months, it will still allow for the construction of new stadiums."

To date the bank has provided its services on a technical assistance basis to the committee as its contribution to the event, and in future is likely to be involved in triple roles as advisor, investor and partner for the development projects that will arise out of the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

Mo Rush
November 16th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Cape Town
04/07/2005Cape Town rises in the international Rankings

Cape Town's Star on the rise in the international Congress and Conventions Association (ICCA) Rankings

ICCA CEO praises Cape Town's 'aggressive' marketing.
The International Congress and Convention Association (ICCA) has listed Cape Town at No. 30 in its annual rankings of the international meetings market. The ranking represents a 40 percent overall increase from its previous ranking at No. 42 in 2003 and places Cape Town on par with Sydney, Vancouver and Glasgow.

ICCA - the most recognised association within the meetings industry
The International Congress and Convention Association (ICCA) was founded in 1963 and has more than 700 members in almost 80 countries. It is the most globally recognised association within the meetings industry and one of the most prominent organizations in the world of international events.

The ICCA Statistics Report for the association market, "The International Meetings Market 2004", presents a comprehensive analysis of trends in the international meetings industry.

Cape Town secures 60% of conference business coming into Africa
According to Noki Dube, CEO of Cape Town Routes Unlimited, the official tourism marketing organisation of Cape Town and the Western Cape, says Cape Town secures 60% of conference business coming into Africa. The Cape Town International Convention Centre (CTICC) has played a significant part in this success; since 2003 it has hosted 750 events, 314 of which have been international conferences.

The region's credentials as a competitive player in the meetings and events market grew proportionately in a very short space of time, says Angeline Lue, Executive Manager for the Conventions and Events Bureau at Cape Town Routes Unlimited.

Increase in number of foreign delegates
The profile of convention delegates travelling to Cape Town and the Western Cape rendered impressive statistics: the proportion of foreign delegates increased to 40.9% from 29.3%; on average, the percentage spent per person increased by 7.5%; and incidence of post-conference tours jumped to 19.2 % from 4.5 %.

How do you qualify for ICCA's destination rankings?
A meeting qualifies for ICCA's destination rankings if it meets the following criteria:
* The meeting must be attended by at least 50 participants;
* The meeting must be organised on a regular basis (one-time events are not included); and
* The meeting must have rotated among at least 3 different countries.

South Africa had 57 meetings that met these criteria in 2004, while Cape Town has hosted 31 meetings that have met the ICCA criteria.

"I am pleased that our aggressive marketing is paying off," says Dube. "Cape Town and the Western Cape had a presence at major international business tourism conferences, such as IMEX in early May and EIBTM, the Global Meetings & Incentive Exhibition in 2004."

"Expect to see Cape Town and Dubai climb the tables"
Martin Skirk, CEO of ICCA says, "Expect to see Cape Town and Dubai climb the tables, thanks to new venues and aggressive marketing. Their successes will be able to stimulate others in their region to imitate their strategies, and this will give international associations some new options to expand their presence in Africa/Middle East."

Mo Rush
November 16th, 2005, 02:38 AM
BestCities
11/06/2005BestCities Global Alliance makes popular meeting choice

Member cities of BestCities Global Alliance are some of the most popular cities for international association meetings and conventions.

The findings come from a statistic report The International Meeting Market 2004, by the International Congress & Convention Association (ICCA) based in Amsterdam.

Two BestCities members - Singapore and Copenhagen - finished in the top 10 cities in the world for the number of international association meeting held. Singapore was 3rd, with 99 meetings and Copenhagen 6th, with 76 meetings.

Singapore also finished in 3rd place in 2003. Copenhagen advanced two places from 8th in 2003 to 6th in 2004.

Edinburgh and Melbourne finished in 24th and 29th places respectively. Edinburgh held 27 international association meetings and Melbourne 33. It was the first time that Melbourne had beaten its Australian rival Sydney in more than 10 years.

Cape Town and Vancouver finished equal 30th with 31 events, both moving up the ladder from their positions in 2003.

In total, six of BestCities' eight members were responsible for attracting a total of 307 international association meetings in 2004.

"We are delighted to see that the global alliance of convention bureaux that makes up BestCities is helping each of our members to attract more meetings to their cities," said Lisa Klint, General Manager, BestCities Global Alliance.

DetoX
November 16th, 2005, 11:33 AM
WTF is soccer world cup??? .. it is Football World Cup!

Mo Rush
November 16th, 2005, 12:24 PM
WTF is soccer world cup??? .. it is Football World Cup!

its called soccer in south africa..deal with it.

dysan1
November 24th, 2005, 08:56 PM
its called soccer in south africa..deal with it.

Yeh ur right...always wondered where the word soccer came from...its obvious where football came from, but soccer has always been an interesting word. And yeh, its soccer here in sa

hngcm
November 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM
They called it Association Football, and they shorten association to "soccer".

Wacky Brits.

dysan1
November 27th, 2005, 12:17 PM
^^^thanx! thats interesting to hear :)

CharlieP
November 27th, 2005, 09:56 PM
its obvious where football came from, but soccer has always been an interesting word.

It's not that obvious at all - most people don't actually know the history behind the word "football".

When the English language word "football" originated, it referred to a wide variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot — that is, by peasants — as opposed to the games played by horse-riding aristocrats. Therefore the name has always implied a variety of games played by people on foot, not just those that involved kicking a ball.

Mo Rush
December 6th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Two cities to miss out on hosting 2010 games

December 06 2005 at 09:38AM

By Sy Lerman

First it was "A Tale Of 11 Cities". Then it was mistakenly assumed 10 South African cities would host games during the 2010 World Cup.

Now Local Organising Committee CEO Danny Jordaan has put the record straight and revealed that two on the current short-list of 11 cities would fall by the wayside when a final decision is announced in March.

Speaking from Leipzig in Germany, where he will be attending the 2006 World Cup draw later in the week, Jordaan on Monday explained the misunderstanding had arisen when Fifa, in conjunction with the Local Organising Committee, decided the number of venues at the 2010 World Cup would be limited to 10.

'It was widely assumed that 10 venues meant 10 cities'
"It was widely assumed that 10 venues meant 10 cities," added Jordaan, "but Johannesburg is assured of two venues with such world-class stadiums as FNB and Ellis Park - and that means eight other cities for the remaining eight venues."

Those waiting on tenterhooks, apart from Johannesburg are Durban, Cape Town, Pretoria, Bloemfontein, Port Elizabeth, Rustenburg, Polokwane, Kimberley, Nelspruit and Klerksdorp.

"Fifa are uncompromising on the issue," said Jordaan. "For logistic reasons only nine cities are going to get the nod - and it's going to be a decision based on practicalities and who has the best stadium and infrastructure." - Sapa

Mo Rush
February 7th, 2006, 11:45 AM
Official 2010 World Cup Venues (10)

Five new and Five existing to be upgraded.
[B]

Five new stadiums to be built for World Cup

South Africa is to refurbish five existing stadiums and build five new venues for the 2010 World Cup, in terms of an agreement with international football association Fifa.

Briefing the media at parliament on Monday, deputy Sport Minister Gert Oosthuizen said new stadiums would be built at Polokwane in Limpopo, Mbombela in Mpumalanga, in the Nelson Mandela Metro in the Eastern Cape, in KwaZulu-Natal's Ethekweni Metro and in Cape Town.

He said the Cape Town stadium - on the site of the existing Green Point Track - would be a "totally new facility", and would include a dome that could be closed in bad weather. The stadium is located on the edge of the CBD and would have the backdrop of table mountain as well as the city, and would also be adjacent to the atlantic ocean.

Stadiums to be refurbished and upgraded included three in Gauteng - Soccer City, Ellis Park and Loftus Versveld - as well as the Royal Bafokeng stadium in North West, and Vodacom Park in Bloemfontein.

Oosthuizen said the government had allocated R242-million for planning the stadiums.

"The spread of the announced stadiums show the government acted swiftly to scrap the imbalance between rugby and soccer fields.

"The five new stadiums will be owned by the municipalities on behalf of the citizens of South Africa," he said.

Education Minister Naledi Pandor said building or refurbishing the stadiums would provide opportunities for communities and institutions to show their skills in construction, tourism and marketing. - Sapa

This mock design shows the location of the stadium to be constructed in cape town. Three new stadia would be located in areas surrounded by the ocean.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2038/capetowndome24lz.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7716/capetowndome6ay.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7444/capetownopen13az.jpg

ExSydney
February 7th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Great news for Cape Town,but what will happen to Newlands?..Surely Rugby will shift their big games to this new stadium?

Mo Rush
February 7th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Great news for Cape Town,but what will happen to Newlands?..Surely Rugby will shift their big games to this new stadium?

Rugby will remain in newlands, that is the home of rugby, along with the 50,00 seat athlone stadium also being built they will form the home of football in cape town...the new stadium might include an athletics track allowing it to be used in future possibly for an olympic games....

by late 2008 cape town would have
1. athlone stadium 50,000
2. new domed stadium with retractable roof in greenpoint 60,000+
3. newlands stadium 50,900

so three stadia over 40,000...

athlone stadium

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/908/photo04995ey.jpg

ExSydney
February 7th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Do you need the Athlone Stadium now?....Surely Greenpoint will cater for Soccer now and from other articles I have read,it will be 70,000 capacity.

It reminds me of Sydney which also has 3 major stadiums above 40,000.The SCG(44,000) has cricket and AFL,the SFS(43,000) has Rugby ,League and Soccer and Telstra Stadium (84,000) has all the majors,Rugby Tests,League Origin,Grand Finals and major home/away games,AFL blockbusters and Soccer Internationals.It actually works quite well.

And if Greenpoint didnt cater for track and field,then a Cape Town Olympic bid will obviously require ANOTHER 80,000 seat stadium!....

Can you see a legacy problem here?

Mo Rush
February 7th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Cape Town to get 2010 super stadium boost
Staff Reporter
February 07 2006 at 12:09PM

Cape Town is to get a new 70 000-seat domed stadium in time for the 2010 World Cup on the site of the old Green Point track near the existing stadium.

This development gives the Mother City a serious claim to host glamour ties in the latter stages of the World Cup.

Bid committee chairperson Danny Jordaan said the new Green Point Stadium should be celebrated by Cape Town, as it would accommodate matches past the group stages and well into the knock-out stages of the World Cup.

Commenting on the announcement of the new stadium in parliament on Monday, Jordaan said the new stadium would definitely be on the final list to be presented to the world body Fifa.

The new stadiums would be owned by the municipalities
“Cape Town can certainly celebrate the fact that Fifa and their commercial partners viewed the city as a destination of international stature and that they would like to keep it involved in the World Cup tournament for as long as possible.

“That would only have been possible with a stadium that has a capacity greater than 40 000. The new stadium has given us as organisers a significant boost.”

Details of the new stadium were to be announced by premier Ebrahim Rasool and mayor Nomaindia Mfeketo today at noon, at a media briefing at the Green Point stadium.

Deputy sports minister Gert Oosthuizen announced the Cape Town’s venue for the 2010 World Cup during a sitting of parliament on Monday.

He said South Africa would refurbish five existing stadiums and build five new ones in time for the soccer showcase.

But can a new stadium be built in Green Point in time?
A total of R242-million had been allocated for “planning for the stadiums”. Other new stadiums would be built at Polokwane in Limpopo; Mbombela in Mpumalanga; in Port Elizabeth; and in Durban.

Oosthuizen emphasised that the new stadiums would be owned by the municipalities on behalf of the people of South Africa.

The new Green Point stadium would be roofed by a dome that could be closed in bad weather.

The announcement ends months of speculation about Cape Town’s preferred venue for the World Cup.

It also caught local football administrators completely off guard.

The City of Cape Town, the provincial government and the SA Football Association (Safa) Western Province have at various times put forward Athlone, Newlands rugby stadium and a R460-million new stadium in Delft as proposed sites for the main world cup venue.

The proposed stadium would be on par with the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff that has hosted the English FA Cup Finals in recent years, while Wembley, the traditional home of English football, undergoes a major revamp.

Shado Twala, spokesperson for Rasool, said Rasool was expected to announce specific details of the new stadium.

These would include how much would be spent on the new stadium, its capacity, how many jobs the new complex would create and what it could be used for after 2010.

The stadium would help to regenerate what was a fairly run-down area near the city centre, she added.

exsydney, yes i do see legacy problems..but athlone stadium will still go ahead...it was always planned irrespective of the world cup...including an athletics track at the new stadium planned to be similar or better than the millenium stadium would help ease any concerns of having to build a new venues to host an olympic games...i dont think the city of cape town official realize the importance of this stadium and its design and its ability to create a legacy for the future and save huge costs in constructing an athletic venue in future...

www.sercan.de
February 7th, 2006, 03:47 PM
so capacity will be 70.000

ExSydney
February 7th, 2006, 03:49 PM
I can see $$$$ (or should that be RRRRRR's)when the Boks play the All Blacks in 2011.

50,000 at Newlands
or
70,000 at Greenpoint

Mo Rush
February 7th, 2006, 03:54 PM
THE proposed all-weather stadium to be built at Green Point in Cape Town ahead of the 2010 Soccer World Cup will cost about R1,2bn, a city official said today.

The City of Cape Town’s chief operating officer, Rushj Lehutso was speaking to reporters after central government announced that five new stadiums would be built for the event.

Lehutso said the R1,2bn was a preliminary figure from quantity surveyors for the cost of the 68,000 seater stadium alone, and did not include associated infrastructure such as roads, or the plan to develop a world class inner city park on the surrounding Green Point Common.

Western Cape premier Ebrahim Rasool said national government had allocated money for World Cup infrastructure, and the province and city would also look at their own budgets.

These were the three "logical sources" of funding for the stadium.

He also said the stadium could be the "deposit" on the city’s ambitions for a future Olympic Games.

Minister in the Presidency Essop Pahad, who is a member of the World Cup Local Organising Committee (LOC), said the stadium identified as Cape Town’s premier venue for the World Cup at the time SA made its bid had been Newlands.

Since then there had been a great deal of discussion with soccer governing body Fifa.

There were many who had wanted the Athlone stadium to take the honours, but to host a semifinal a stadium had to seat at least 65,000, and there was "no way" Athlone could go beyond 45,000.

Newlands also had capacity problems, he said.

Essop added that though the LOC had not yet taken a decision on allocation of semi-finals, Cape Town had a lot of the infrastructure required to host one.

Rasool said the R165m budget for the upgrading of Athlone, which could be used for World Cup warm-up friendlies and as a training ground, remained intact.

Meanwhile, Deputy Sport Minister Gert Oosthuizen said yesterday the new stadium would include a dome that could be closed in bad weather.

The five new stadiums would be owned by municipalities.

CharlieP
February 7th, 2006, 09:03 PM
I can see $$$$ (or should that be RRRRRR's)when the Boks play the All Blacks in 2011.

50,000 at Newlands
or
70,000 at Greenpoint

Will it (and Ellis Park) be ready for the 2009 Lions tour?

Mo Rush
February 7th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Will it (and Ellis Park) be ready for the 2009 Lions tour?
stadia shud be completed late 2008 for the confederations cup

JBinCalgary
February 7th, 2006, 11:27 PM
great looking stadium

gorgu
February 8th, 2006, 01:09 AM
It reminds me of Sydney which also has 3 major stadiums above 40,000.The SCG(44,000) has cricket and AFL,the SFS(43,000) has Rugby ,League and Soccer and Telstra Stadium (84,000) has all the majors,Rugby Tests,League Origin,Grand Finals and major home/away games,AFL blockbusters and Soccer Internationals.It actually works quite well.

Glasgow has had three all seater stadia over 50000 for ten years :nuts:

www.sercan.de
February 8th, 2006, 01:15 AM
sorry Mo
i am a little bit congused
can you make a list(name/capacity/pic)
Thank you

Mo Rush
February 8th, 2006, 12:51 PM
sorry Mo
i am a little bit congused
can you make a list(name/capacity/pic)
Thank you

Soccer City 94,700 existing, Johannesburg
http://www.bkajhb.co.za/images/newprojectimages/soccercity1.jpg
Ellis Parlk 60,000 existing , Johannesburg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/ellis_park_stadium/100.jpg
Loftus Versfeld 50,000 existing, Pretoria
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/loftus_versfeld/100.jpg
Royal Bafokeng 40,000, existing Rustenburg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/royal_bafokeng_sports_palace/100.jpg


Green Point Dome 70,000 new, retractable roof, Cape Town
[no rendering available] will be similar to millenium stadium in cardiff
Kings Park Stadium 70,000 new, Durban
[no rendering available, this stadium will be demolished and a new one would be built]

Mbombela Stadium 40,000 new, Mpumalanga
http://www.bkajhb.co.za/images/newprojectimages/mstadium1.jpg

Peter Mokaba Stadium 40,000 new, Polokwane
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/peter_mokaba_stadium/100.jpg
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium 50,000 new, Port Elizabeth
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8607/stadiumpe6bd.jpg

www.sercan.de
February 8th, 2006, 01:17 PM
Thank you very much
3 very very huge stadiums

Mo Rush
February 8th, 2006, 01:51 PM
oops
forgot about vodacom park

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/free_state_stadium/100.jpg

dysan1
February 9th, 2006, 08:56 PM
in wonder who they are going to get to design the new durban and cape town stadia....

in all the durban press articles they have said that our new stadium will be iconic...so i guess that means out of the ordinary....

dysan1
February 9th, 2006, 08:59 PM
i really dont see the point of expansions at athlone stadium now tho....it would be wasted money

ErathKing
February 9th, 2006, 09:01 PM
it will be a different world cup. New stadiums are nice. I am so impatient to see better renders. How will be the weather during the World Cup?

Mo Rush
February 9th, 2006, 11:50 PM
it will be a different world cup. New stadiums are nice. I am so impatient to see better renders. How will be the weather during the World Cup?

fifa wants winter...meaning hot in durbs and joburg i think and cOLD in cape town...safa wants summer..fairly moderate with mild rain in joburg..actually not so mild...now im just confused...

Mo Rush
February 9th, 2006, 11:52 PM
i really dont see the point of expansions at athlone stadium now tho....it would be wasted money

currently it holds 20,000, it will only become a 30,000 stadium...the stadium will basically just get an upgrade...new field of play...roof over the other end...improvements around the stadium nothing dramatic or costly...

30,000 athlone and 50,000 newlands...pretty good for training venues i'd say..

Mo Rush
February 10th, 2006, 12:55 AM
'Central Park NY may soon come to Cape Town'

By Henri du Plessis

Green Point residents and even many of its leaders were caught by surprise when it was announced this week that a large, ultra-modern stadium would be built at Green Point, Cape Town, primarily to host matches for the soccer World Cup in 2010.

Plans are still sketchy, but roleplayers close to the development have unveiled some of the thinking behind the huge project.

The stadium will seat 68 000 and will have a closing roof. It will be designed as a multi-purpose venue and will not be solely for football, they say.

Green Point Common will remain a public space with sports and leisure facilities to be enjoyed by all residents.

'Part of the plan is to incorporate a series of sports grounds'
Affordable housing plans do not form part of the picture, planners say.

One of the guidelines to be followed will be a limit on "too much cement".

"The planning and construction of the stadium will be one big process, with public participation, integrated transport planning, heritage assessments and the involvement of all current leaseholders," said Teral Cullen, the City of Cape Town's director of the 2010 World Cup.

"We have to identify a preferred site and a viable alternative site for the stadium," she said.

"Of course we are looking at the existing stadium site, but one cannot tell at this early stage," she added.

"Part of the plan is to incorporate a series of sports grounds and we want to accommodate all current users, but to give their facilities a facelift.

"The broad principle remains to keep the area as a green zone."

Cullen said it was recognised that the residential areas around the common were of a high density nature and that residents needed an outlet for outdoor activities.

For that, walking and jogging paths and recreational areas would be incorporated.

Environmental and heritage impact assessments would be carefully done to ensure the stadium and linked developments fitted in.

"We anticipate finding a burial ground in the area.

"The old Fort Wynyard also comes into the picture and we have some exciting ideas for that," she said.

The interests of leaseholders would be considered.

Concerns about sufficient parking near the stadium, as well as potential traffic jams were being addressed by the proper planning of a public transport system, said Dr Laurine Platzky, acting head of the province's department of cultural affairs and sport.

"It is too early to discuss the design of the stadium, but this aspect has to be properly done from the outset."

Despite the surprise with which many people greeted the announcement of the stadium, Platzky insisted that wide consultation had taken place.

"Fifa suggested they would have liked Cape Town to be involved with the World Cup for much longer. With Athlone Stadium and even Newlands, this was not possible.

"By moving away from Newlands, therefore, which is a 48 000-seater stadium, we are raising the city's profile in the World Cup.

"But the benefits to the city will go on well beyond 2010, as it could be used to host a great variety of events, such as shows and music events.

themongrel
February 10th, 2006, 01:48 AM
i like the stadiums for 2010 but i was under the impression a country needs 12 stadiums not 10. is this not a rule of fifas?

Wezza
February 10th, 2006, 03:38 AM
It reminds me of Sydney which also has 3 major stadiums above 40,000.The SCG(44,000) has cricket and AFL,the SFS(43,000) has Rugby ,League and Soccer and Telstra Stadium (84,000) has all the majors,Rugby Tests,League Origin,Grand Finals and major home/away games,AFL blockbusters and Soccer Internationals.It actually works quite well.

Glasgow has had three all seater stadia over 50000 for ten years :nuts:
Three cheers for Glasgow!!!

Mo Rush
February 10th, 2006, 03:58 AM
i like the stadiums for 2010 but i was under the impression a country needs 12 stadiums not 10. is this not a rule of fifas?

the requirement is 8.

cianobuckley
February 17th, 2006, 01:26 PM
Any more info on the soccer city one in johannesburg i presume that will be the national ground?

dysan1
February 18th, 2006, 11:09 PM
it already exists and is the main soccer stadium in SA. the alterations will involve adding a roof to it, and new boxes and better seating...i think thats all....mo?

bubomb
February 19th, 2006, 01:46 PM
it already exists and is the main soccer stadium in SA. the alterations will involve adding a roof to it, and new boxes and better seating...i think thats all....mo?


It only holds 78000 at the moment. They still have to build new tiers on 3 sides.

Now -

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/FNB3.jpg

2010 -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/soccer_city/100.jpg

http://www.go2africa.com/football-world-cup-2010/south-africa/stadiums/soccer-city.asp

http://www.2010cup.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=121&Itemid=2

dysan1
February 19th, 2006, 04:07 PM
^^ Thanx :)

You seem knowledgable on the 2010 world cup...

bubomb
February 22nd, 2006, 02:06 PM
^^ Thanx :)

You seem knowledgable on the 2010 world cup...

I'm not!! I wish I knew more but info is hard to find. Kings Park looks like a steep stadium. Some great venues in South Africa -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/kings_park_stadium/140.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/kings_park_stadium/100.jpg

Kampflamm
February 22nd, 2006, 02:54 PM
I thought FIFA's guidelines say that wc stadia have to have a roof over all seats.

Tomesh
February 22nd, 2006, 03:32 PM
^^^^ strongly doubt that, maybe there is a percentage of seats though which has to have a roof. Look at the japanese and South Korean venues, quite many stadiums with some uncovered seats....

bubomb
February 22nd, 2006, 03:36 PM
I think FIFA make up the rules as they go along. Not all the France stadiums were 40000.

Mo Rush
February 22nd, 2006, 08:46 PM
I'm not!! I wish I knew more but info is hard to find. Kings Park looks like a steep stadium. Some great venues in South Africa -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/kings_park_stadium/140.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/kings_park_stadium/100.jpg

dont worry kings park is being bashed down for a new stadium if im not mistaken...

rantanamo
February 22nd, 2006, 09:57 PM
I think members of this board like to make up FIFA rules as they go along. That was proven a while ago.

Durbsboi
February 23rd, 2006, 11:54 AM
dont worry kings park is being bashed down for a new stadium if im not mistaken...
nope the stadium behind it will be bashed down! to make way for our new stadium. yes that stand of kings park is very steep, the first time I went up there I almost had the shitz, then i remembered i had to walk all the way down if i needed to go, then it just went away!

Soccer city will be one of the best stadiums in the world, for one the design is very unique, by that i mean, the main bowl is totally below ground level! & the pitch has a moat around it with a gap of 4 meters to the stands & a depth of 4-5meters, so there is no chance of people jumping onto the field, so no streakers. unless people want to throw cats onto the feild again, like the last time, no one else can go onto the pitch besides players & official personel.

PS: bubomb, CT & Durbs getting new stadiums now, so they wont be upgrading the old ones

Mo Rush
February 23rd, 2006, 01:29 PM
nope the stadium behind it will be bashed down! to make way for our new stadium. yes that stand of kings park is very steep, the first time I went up there I almost had the shitz, then i remembered i had to walk all the way down if i needed to go, then it just went away!

Soccer city will be one of the best stadiums in the world, for one the design is very unique, by that i mean, the main bowl is totally below ground level! & the pitch has a moat around it with a gap of 4 meters to the stands & a depth of 4-5meters, so there is no chance of people jumping onto the field, so no streakers. unless people want to throw cats onto the feild again, like the last time, no one else can go onto the pitch besides players & official personel.

PS: bubomb, CT & Durbs getting new stadiums now, so they wont be upgrading the old ones

the moat depth will be decreased for safety and security reasons for spectators and other features regarding safety of a much higher standard than the plans for safety presented at the 2006 berlin olympic stadium which was and is highly criticized for its safety issues. a spectator fell down the moat and was killed in 2001, there have been other incidences and the moat's depth will be decreased.

Other news:

South Africans need not panic about 2010: FIFA
February 22, 2006, 19:00

Jerome Vakke, the FIFA Director of Marketing, say preparations for the 2010 Soccer World Cup are in order. Vakke revealed this at the KPMG 2010 Soccer World Cup seminar in Johannesburg today.

The FIFA delegations who have visited this country over the last 18 months have never been disappointed. They are confident that South Africa is well ahead of its schedule in terms of its preparations. Vakke says every time they had visited South Africa they have seen sympathy and the wish of South Africa to make sure that it will be a world class World Cup event.

The pressure is now on for the construction of the five new stadia, which will start next month.

South Africans are upbeat about the number of new jobs that will be created and the spin-offs that will come their way. Construction work on the FNB stadium and the FIFA Headquarters in South Africa has already started.

Mo Rush
February 23rd, 2006, 01:39 PM
BEFORE:

http://www.gilesridley.com/newpics/fnb-01.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/newpics/fnb-02.jpg

VISION:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/soccer_city/100.jpg

Durbsboi
February 24th, 2006, 12:40 PM
^^ that is one awesome stadium, luv it!

Noostairz
February 24th, 2006, 12:49 PM
the requirement is 8.

really? interesting.

and ten stadiums will be used at the 2010 world cup, right? what's the geographical distribution like? are there any cities/regions providing more than one venue?

Mo Rush
February 24th, 2006, 02:26 PM
really? interesting.

and ten stadiums will be used at the 2010 world cup, right? what's the geographical distribution like? are there any cities/regions providing more than one venue?

Johannesburg will host matches in two venues
Pretoria which is in the same province will also host matches. so in effect the gauteng province will be home to three stadia. All of which are existing.They are Soccer city and Ellis park in johannesburg, and loftus versfeld in pretoria

Cape Town will construct a new billion rand venue with retractable roof 1 min out of the city centre and with the backdrop of table mountain. The city is hoping to stage the opening ceremony and semi final match, and is said to become the face of the 2010 world cup.

Durban will also only host one venue, a new stadium will also be constructed which is hoping to become an iconic venue.

Other existing venues:
vodacom park
rustenburg stadium

New venues will be constructed in Nelspruit, polokwane and port elizabeth.

The venues are basically spread around the major centres and cities of south africa eventhough they all appear to be towards the north east of the country as the graphic suggests.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9950/2010map4dm.jpg

Noostairz
February 24th, 2006, 02:36 PM
^ cheers for the info, mo. good to see that only one stadium seems to have a running track around it - all the rest are close to the action (as they should be). :)

SkyLerm
February 24th, 2006, 07:21 PM
Wow huge stadia :eek:
They're great, good work :okay:

Durbsboi
March 2nd, 2006, 03:19 PM
is said to become the face of the 2010 world cup.


MY AR*E!

pfff face of the world cup, Mo where do u get this stuff from?
if there is goin to be a "face of the world Cup" it deff the FNB stadium
or as it will be known then as "Soccer City"

GregPz
March 2nd, 2006, 04:56 PM
Judging by that map it looks like "The Ranch Hotel" near Polokwane is going to be the face of the world cup :D

bubomb
March 3rd, 2006, 12:25 AM
What do the S.Africans on the board think of the city safety issues that have been a large concern in Western media? Will I be safe, or will I get a cap in my ass?

Mo Rush
March 3rd, 2006, 12:38 AM
8. Flagship Projects

The eighth element in our battleplan for Accelerated and Shared growth is a set of Flagship interventions. In the national plan for ASGISA the Western Cape's proposal for the regeneration of the Cape Flats as been accepted. This will shift significantly the focus of public investment into the most neglected quadrant of the Metro.

This regeneration ties with the announcement that Cape Town will play a very significant role in the World Cup 2010. Three months ago we were merely going to be hosts for one group playing first round matches. Now we have the possibility of being the face of the World Cup in 2010, with FIFA wanting as many matches as possible in the city right up to the semi-final levels.

This has resulted in the need for a 70 000 seater, multi-purpose, all weather stadium at Green Point. This does not in anyway detract from Athlone Stadium being completed as a 30 000 seater soccer stadium, at a further cost of R168m.

The massive investment in infrastructure for these facilities and the knock-on effect on our public transport infrastructure will kick-start ASGISA, especially if we also plan for the tourism boom towards, during, and after the World Cup 2010.

NEWWORLD
March 3rd, 2006, 12:44 AM
Good stuff, good luck with all that.

Durbsboi
March 3rd, 2006, 09:33 AM
. Now we have the possibility of being the face of the World Cup in 2010, with FIFA wanting as many matches as possible in the city right up to the semi-final levels.

Ahh Cape Town..........
Always trying to steal the lime light from the whole country, dont worry ur'll be the face of the world cup, but everybody knows, that its the body that counts, so how about Durban being the Body of the world cup? Anybody?
We got 10 billion to play with! :)

Durbsboi
March 3rd, 2006, 09:37 AM
What do the S.Africans on the board think of the city safety issues that have been a large concern in Western media? Will I be safe, or will I get a cap in my ass?

Dont worry bubomb the violence aint that bad as Ireland, but u need to carry a weapons on u, like a knife (most proberbly a rambo one), an 9mm hand gun & an AK47, just for safety. But its not the criminals u have to worry about, its those bloody Lions, they sneak up on u & u dead!

Durbsboi
March 3rd, 2006, 09:38 AM
Judging by that map it looks like "The Ranch Hotel" near Polokwane is going to be the face of the world cup :D
hehe they better have clean sheets!

Mo Rush
March 3rd, 2006, 10:57 AM
Ahh Cape Town..........
Always trying to steal the lime light from the whole country, dont worry ur'll be the face of the world cup, but everybody knows, that its the body that counts, so how about Durban being the Body of the world cup? Anybody?
We got 10 billion to play with! :)

Wheres durban? lol

dysan1
March 4th, 2006, 01:17 PM
I'm really looking forward to CT being "the face of the world cup"...imagine the seen.

July 2010. Cape Town in all its winter glory...The 12C temp encouraging the visitors onto the beaches of camps bay. People frolicing in the 10C sea water. Even those who dont want to swim will be soaked to the bone by the constant rain and the driving south easter...aahh...wonderful cape town in winter...the prefect advertisement for south africa's wonderful weather, not a day of sunshine in sight...

Mo Rush
March 4th, 2006, 03:41 PM
I'm really looking forward to CT being "the face of the world cup"...imagine the seen.

July 2010. Cape Town in all its winter glory...The 12C temp encouraging the visitors onto the beaches of camps bay. People frolicing in the 10C sea water. Even those who dont want to swim will be soaked to the bone by the constant rain and the driving south easter...aahh...wonderful cape town in winter...the prefect advertisement for south africa's wonderful weather, not a day of sunshine in sight...

"scene"

dysan1
March 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM
ya ya whatever...u know the rest is true.

CT is a great place in summer, but hell in winter

Mo Rush
March 4th, 2006, 07:40 PM
ya ya whatever...u know the rest is true.

CT is a great place in summer, but hell in winter

ure forgetting global warming.!

bubomb
March 4th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Dont worry bubomb the violence aint that bad as Ireland, but u need to carry a weapons on u, like a knife (most proberbly a rambo one), an 9mm hand gun & an AK47, just for safety. But its not the criminals u have to worry about, its those bloody Lions, they sneak up on u & u dead!

I will pack the knife I use when I go hunting Englishmen. It's huge, and is razor sharp due to the amount of use it gets!!

MoreOrLess
March 4th, 2006, 11:20 PM
ya ya whatever...u know the rest is true.

CT is a great place in summer, but hell in winter

Finally an advanatge for us northern europeans. ;)

Durbsboi
March 5th, 2006, 12:26 AM
I'm really looking forward to CT being "the face of the world cup"...imagine the seen.

July 2010. Cape Town in all its winter glory...The 12C temp encouraging the visitors onto the beaches of camps bay. People frolicing in the 10C sea water. Even those who dont want to swim will be soaked to the bone by the constant rain and the driving south easter...aahh...wonderful cape town in winter...the prefect advertisement for south africa's wonderful weather, not a day of sunshine in sight...

Wait u forgot about the main part, picture this!...................

"All systems go for the opening ceremony, the dancers are waiting with anticipation in the tunnel, Danny K is clearing his throat, the pyro guys are standing by, ....3,..........2,.............1 Go, ....................................................................& then Cape Town has another black out!"

Durbsboi
March 5th, 2006, 12:40 AM
I will pack the knife I use when I go hunting Englishmen. It's huge, and is razor sharp due to the amount of use it gets!!
Yeh that will do just fine, just make sure u dont bring any of them English football hooligans with u, the scousers are fine, its those basturds from Manchester & Leeds that I'm worried about, oh & dont forget the mental Evertonians!

Mo Rush
March 9th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Cape Town is set to become the dramatic backdrop to the 2010 FIFA World Cup. With its spectacular natural beauty, its long history and diverse cultures, Cape Town will play host to the family of nations celebrating the best of football in the first World Cup to be played in Africa. Not only the profile of Cape Town and our friendly people, but the capabilities of our country and continent will be beamed across the world to billions of fans, future visitors, investors and friends. 2010 offers a major opportunity to showcase the best we have to offer.
The vision for Green Point is a sport and recreation precinct including a world-class 68 000 seat stadium linking the popular Victoria & Alfred Waterfront to the Central Business District (CBD), the Cape Town International Convention Centre (CTICC), the Atlantic Seaboard and the Table Mountain National Park with the metropolitan area of Cape Town and the hinterland of the Western Cape Province. Set in one of the most beautiful cities in the world, the stadium will be proudly owned and regularly used by all the people of Cape Town. Through affordable public and non-motorised transport, it will be accessible to rich and poor, black and white, female and male, locals and visitors. The Green Point Stadium will be the place to meet to cheer their teams, to hear their favourite musicians, to picnic with their families or simply to wander amiably in safe and pleasant surroundings.
The City of Cape Town, as the contracting authority, in partnership with the Provincial Government of the Western Cape and the National Government, therefore invites proposals for the design, development and financial sustainability planning of the Green Point Stadium and precinct to enable the City to host semi-final matches for the 2010 FIFA World Cup, as well as a wide range of national and international events before and after 2010. The City of Cape Town will be calling for private sector proposals from facility operators as it is envisaged the stadium’s operational costs should be covered after July 2010. It is important to note that the brief is for the professional team and does not include the contractor who will be appointed before the end of 2006 once the design development is at an advanced stage.
In order to fulfil FIFA requirements, the stadium is to be completed by December 2008

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View from the planned hospitality area


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View from signal hill of the Park site


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Mo Rush
March 9th, 2006, 09:59 PM
Development Concept

The Green Point Stadium and Common is currently an under-utilised public open space and prime site for this development. Through this development, the City and Province intend to catapult city-wide growth, attracting visitors and tourists, investment, while creating jobs and opening a multitude of new opportunities for sporting, leisure and entertainment events on a scale not yet seen in our city.
In keeping with FIFA’s minimum requirements for a semi-final venue, the Green Point Stadium will be transformed into a completely new 68 000 seater, all-weather, multi-purpose, environmentally sustainable, modern, technologically advanced, world class Stadium giving expression to the “African Renaissance Stadium” at the juncture between Table Mountain and the Atlantic Ocean at the southern tip of Africa. The uniquely impressive and recognisable visuals that this African landmark Stadium will offer the world will be of great marketing value to our continent and country. The new Stadium will comply fully with FIFA Match Stadium requirements. A summarised list of the FIFA stadium requirements is attached.

The 80 hectares of the current Green Point Common will be similarly transformed to become a People’s Park like the internationally known Hyde Park in London and Central Park in New York. The new Common must become as much a feature of Cape Town and the Western Cape as Table Mountain, the Cape Flats, the Winelands, the Garden Route and the Klein Karoo. An integrated plan will establish a world-class park, catering for events, sports, heritage, leisure, and relaxation in a landscaped space with indigenous trees, gardens and water features. Attention must be paid to any heritage aspects of the site as there is a high likelihood of encountering human remains on the common. A memorial park for the reburial of the human remains may have to be developed on the site. The current Fort Wynyard site appears to be a suitable site. All the land on the Green Point Common belongs to the City.
Green Point Common historically is home to a host of recreational users and it is regarded as an integral part of an upgraded urban park as a backdrop for the proposed Stadium. The Team is not required to re-plan this area but cognisance has to be given to optimise the potential of this asset as part of an active and passive recreational public space whilst promoting its integration with economic opportunities and ecological integrity.
The City of Cape Town has committed to build a 68,000 seat stadium at Green Point to host games for the 2010 FIFA World Cup, with net capacity of 65 000 seats. The estimated total cost of the project is anticipated to be in the order of some R1.2bn. This estimate needs to be confirmed during Phase 1 of the Project.
The stated objective of the City is that access to the stadium will be largely (80:20 split) dependant on non-motorised and public transport. FIFA requires at least a 50:50 split between private and public transport access to the stadium.
The planning process must take cognisance of ongoing work of the City, Provincial and National governments and parastatals.
Within the constraints of the Green Point Common title deeds, the Team is urged to propose complimentary activities with respect to sport and recreation for the benefit of all the people of Cape Town.
The operator of the Green Point Stadium will be sourced shortly through a separate Request for Proposals to enable a close working relationship between the design team and a financially sustainable model for the operation of the Stadium in the medium to long term.

Mo Rush
March 9th, 2006, 10:17 PM
34 Months to Build Green Point's World Cup Stadium

February 24, 2006

City of Cape town places advertisements calling for proposals to design, plan and manage construction of the planned new stadium at Greenpoint.

March 20, 2006

Cut-off date for questions about the proposal call

March 22, 2006

Final answers to questions provided

March 27, 2006

Noon-cut off for formal submissions of proposals

March 31, 2006

City Completes Urban Design Framework for Green Point Precinct

April 6, 2006

City Announces successful bidder(s): the "Team"

June 30, 2006

Costed concept and initial building plan to be completed

early July 2006

Environmental Impact Assessments completed and RoD (Record of decision, a statutory requirement) issued

Mid-September 2006

Rezoning application to be completd

October 31, 2006

Detailed design and detailed business plan for stadium completed

December 21, 2006

Detailed designs and detailed businesss plan for the Green Point Precinct (incorporating the stadium plans)

January 2007

Construction Begins

December 31, 2008

Construction of stadium to be completed for FIFA insection.

June/July 2010

Cape Town welcomes the world at the opening ceremony.

Gecko1989
March 31st, 2006, 03:44 AM
Why is it that these soccer stadiums all seem to meet fifas requirments and yet they are all ugly. Except for the new ones being constucted(minus Peter Mokaba Stadium, Mbombela Stadium) these stadiums are so plain nothing interesting. South Africa should do better otherwise i dont see why they were picked to host the world cup seeing what Morroco had planed to make I dont undestand.

Durbsboi
March 31st, 2006, 09:53 AM
Why is it that these soccer stadiums all seem to meet fifas requirments and yet they are all ugly. .
Because they hold the capacity that FIFA apporve of & it serves the purpose of a soccer game being played in them. I agree with you with some of them being "Ugly" but just wait & see when 2010 comes.

Except for the new ones being constucted(minus Peter Mokaba Stadium, Mbombela Stadium) these stadiums are so plain nothing interesting..
I think most of them are interesting, Ellise Park in Joburg has a unique design, & the two tiers that will be contructed on the sides, will give it a good shape

South Africa should do better otherwise i dont see why they were picked to host the world cup seeing what Morroco had planed to make I dont undestand.

First of all none of these designs are finalised, they were just for the presentation about 80% of the presentation will go ahead as said, but now they are changes happening like, Cape Town & Durban getting new stadiums. PE & Kimberly are getting nice stadiums to, that look very decent. Morroco had drastic designs & plans, but the infrastructure wasnt there, FIFA & the rest of the world didnt know if Morroco would get funding to build stadiums like that, FIFA couldnt take the chance, plus no offence to Morroco, I think SA is a better country to host the cup, I am sorry is you think otherwise.
It was the same with the olympics,When Sydney consructed the huge stadium esp for the games, Athen was to use an exsisting stadium but just adding a roof & minor alterations, ppl were thinking why? why not build a new one? but the roof was such an eye catcher, ppl didnt even bother to notice that is was an exsisting stadium or not.

Mo Rush
March 31st, 2006, 12:31 PM
National
Green Point stadium planning back on track
Ben Maclennan | Cape Town, South Africa
31 March 2006 08:58
Planning for Cape Town's proposed Green Point stadium, earmarked as venue for a 2010 Soccer World Cup semifinal, appears to be back on track following a meeting between city mayor Helen Zille and Fifa local organising committee (LOC) members on Thursday.

"I think the mayor is comfortable right now that the city will not be bankrupt," LOC chairperson Irvin Khoza said afterwards.

Reading a prepared statement, he said those at the two and a half hour meeting had agreed that preparation and planning of infrastructure delivery would continue.

"The parties are agreed that ... all spheres of government [are] committed to work together to deliver a world class event in Cape Town," he said.

Zille earlier this week imposed a moratorium on the appointment of consultants for the stadium -- earmarked as venue for a cup semifinal -- saying the city did not have adequate information on how much the project would cost and how it would be paid for.

Her spokesperson, Robert Macdonald, said on Thursday night: "The mayor stands behind what Mr Khoza said. We will proceed with the plans as set out."

Also at Thursday's meeting, held in a city hotel, were Western Cape Premier Ebrahim Rasool, who had criticised Zille's decision as being "irresponsible in the extreme", and Minister of Sport Makhenkesi Stofile and Deputy Finance Minister Jabu Moleketi, who are both LOC members.

Khoza said it had been decided that representatives of all three tiers of government would meet as soon as possible to discuss issues around 2010 financing.

The purpose of the meeting, which would be hosted by Stofile, would be to "further clarify" issues raised by Zille.

"We did not satisfy her completely," he said. "It was a question of lack of information, which I think in terms of what we have reported to her gives her a sense things are moving in the right direction. But still there are still open questions that need to be resolved."

Asked about Zille's concern that the city might be expected to contribute R1-billion -- the equivalent of an entire year's capital budget -- to the stadium project, Khoza said: "She has understood that that is not the case."

Towards the end of the briefing, he said: "She did indicate that in whatever I'm saying that I must not leave out the words that she wants that the financial model must be thoroughly explained. So I'm making sure that I don't misrepresent her...

"We have made an attempt to explain it. Until that point, she's comfortable, but, you know, there are details that still have to be provided."

He said that in addition to the Stofile meeting, the LOC would invite all premiers and host city mayors to a workshop "because we've realised that there was a slow flow of information from various departments".

This was all the more important for new mayors who had inherited contracts and agreements signed by the LOC, Fifa and the government.

Khoza said more information on financial modelling would come through the planning phase of the World Cup exercise, for which government had already put aside R200-million.

The LOC board would meet at Tuynhuys on Friday to allocate this money to the nine host cities.

"The financial modelling, it will give comfort to the cities that they won't inherit any huge financial responsibility that will affect the running of the cities," he said. - Sapa

Giorgio
March 31st, 2006, 02:42 PM
If only one could show the way to an architect with flair...

Durbsboi
March 31st, 2006, 03:31 PM
']If only one could show the way to an architect with flair...
Meaning? If you look at Germany, there arnt many new stadia to jump & scream about besides Allianz, as I said before there is still plenty of time to redesign the stadiums, the 5 new stadiums designs have not been finalised as yet. So all of us should just wait & see wat they have instore for us

Mo Rush
March 31st, 2006, 03:47 PM
south africa is not promising a world cup of extravagant stadiums...many cities and countries have done this...and look what its left them with?...the olympics in both sydney and athens have had their issues..going over the top, south africa has the stadiums ready, 5 new stadia willbe built

1. soccer city wills seat 100,000 in an all football stadium which kicks berlin olympic stadiums measly 70,000 with an athletics track and uh like "beams" from the roof obstructing views in the butt...
2.allianz is in it own league along with many other "generic" german stadia including leipzig zentralstadion,and others. all of great quality and nice designs but nothing to write home about
3. cape town is contstructing a 70,000 seat stadium between table mountain and the atlantic ocean, with a retractable roof in a central park environment....can u beat the backdrop of table mountain along with a brand new stadium, world class companies are bidding for this stadium one team includes morley the guy the IOC hires to inspect athens and sydneys venues...along with koreans and many other internatioanal groups including HOK,along with bianchi&morley who came up with the wembley arch concept
4.durban will produce a new iconic stadium, this will be massive, able to seat 70,000 and close to the ocean, it will be able to be increased to 100,000 in future, and 45,000 in athletics mode, the stadium will provide a home for socccer and be part of a 42 Olympic sport precinct including an indoor arena and aquatics centre amongst other things
5. stadia like loftus, vodacom park and ellis park are all well known local stadia with a great south african history,
6.new stadia in mpumlanga and port elizabeth more suited to the earlier matches will seat a minimum of 40,000 and 50,000 during the world cup, these areas were highly neglected during apartheid and these stadia will be much needed in these areas, providing a legacy and income unlike any other event before, the stadium in mpumalanga will be in beautiful surroundings, while the port elizabeth stadium will be part of a new nelson mandela bay development
7. with half of the stadia existing and half to be built costs will be minimized and profits maximized, sponsorship figures for 2010 already exceed those of germany 2006 just months before the 2006 world cup
8. south africa wont be left with the burden of debt many previous olympic cities stuggle with
9. the 2010 world cup is gonna rock your world....
10. oh and we'll def have an opening ceremony, which will def be sold out within a short period of time...whether its in cape town which seems more likely or durban or johannesburg.

Giorgio
March 31st, 2006, 04:08 PM
Meaning? If you look at Germany, there arnt many new stadia to jump & scream about besides Allianz, as I said before there is still plenty of time to redesign the stadiums, the 5 new stadiums designs have not been finalised as yet. So all of us should just wait & see wat they have instore for us
The meaning is a simple way to get my point across that I am not fond of the 'designs'.

Nothing personal. :)

Gecko1989
March 31st, 2006, 11:50 PM
Because they hold the capacity that FIFA apporve of & it serves the purpose of a soccer game being played in them. I agree with you with some of them being "Ugly" but just wait & see when 2010 comes.


I think most of them are interesting, Ellise Park in Joburg has a unique design, & the two tiers that will be contructed on the sides, will give it a good shape



First of all none of these designs are finalised, they were just for the presentation about 80% of the presentation will go ahead as said, but now they are changes happening like, Cape Town & Durban getting new stadiums. PE & Kimberly are getting nice stadiums to, that look very decent. Morroco had drastic designs & plans, but the infrastructure wasnt there, FIFA & the rest of the world didnt know if Morroco would get funding to build stadiums like that, FIFA couldnt take the chance, plus no offence to Morroco, I think SA is a better country to host the cup, I am sorry is you think otherwise.
It was the same with the olympics,When Sydney consructed the huge stadium esp for the games, Athen was to use an exsisting stadium but just adding a roof & minor alterations, ppl were thinking why? why not build a new one? but the roof was such an eye catcher, ppl didnt even bother to notice that is was an exsisting stadium or not.

Hey thanx for the clear really appeciate it. :)

dysan1
April 1st, 2006, 12:34 PM
']The meaning is a simple way to get my point across that I am not fond of the 'designs'.

Nothing personal. :)


I do hear what ur saying, and the initial "designs" submitted to FIFA were for illistrative purposes, and in no way represented the final look of the new stadia.

Both Durban and Cape Town have had massive international interest in the design of their new stadia. With CT getting 13 proposals, and durban 30. these will be whittled down to 5 in the coming weeks and then detailed designing will take place, with winners and designs announced in July.

As the stadia have to be complete by December 2008, construction work is expected to start in November this year or as close to that time as possible.

Come July we can comment on the quality of the design of the new stadia, until then we are all merely speculating

Mo Rush
April 1st, 2006, 05:07 PM
I do hear what ur saying, and the initial "designs" submitted to FIFA were for illistrative purposes, and in no way represented the final look of the new stadia.

Both Durban and Cape Town have had massive international interest in the design of their new stadia. With CT getting 13 proposals, and durban 30. these will be whittled down to 5 in the coming weeks and then detailed designing will take place, with winners and designs announced in July.

As the stadia have to be complete by December 2008, construction work is expected to start in November this year or as close to that time as possible.

Come July we can comment on the quality of the design of the new stadia, until then we are all merely speculating

wow 30? thats a lot of proposals...were they mostly local or international? or was the 30 the combined total for the various arenas and sports venues? ill have a look in the media to confirm this...but if there is 30, id love to see them.

dysan1
April 2nd, 2006, 05:40 PM
There were at least 4 Australian firms that put in bids, my dad's firm was one of their local partners, and hence he is deeply involved in the process. Most of the bids had an international component to them. I dont know exactly who all the bidding firms were, but i imagine that alot of the firms bid for both the durban and cape town venues...

it is surprising that we are building 5 new venues for the world cup, but its durban and cape town that seem to be getting on with the job, whats happening with PE, Nelspruit and whoever the other one is? Maybe they just not getting media attention?cos surely they are stuck with the same timescale as us?

Vilak
April 2nd, 2006, 11:24 PM
Thank you to point why a dome is constructed in south africa.

and thanks for the pix!!!!!

Durbsboi
April 4th, 2006, 09:09 AM
Hey thanx for the clear really appeciate it. :)
No problemo, will feed in more info when available. personally like the other I hate this "Planning phase" where there all talk & no proof, we want to see designs too!

Mo Rush
May 8th, 2006, 06:09 PM
10 stadia, 9 Cities, 8 provinces,...
In two months time the worlds' focus will turn to South Africa...
What to expect?

A 100,000 seater stadium bowl for the finals for starters.

http://www.coolimagehosting.com/uploads/a819619f2d.jpg

Mo Rush
May 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Theatre of dreams evolves into reality

PULE MOKHINE

SOCCER lovers can brace themselves for a new-look, state-of-the-art Soccer City stadium for the 2010 World Cup.

South Africa's home of soccer is set to undergo a revamp that will see the imposing venue situated in Crown Mines, Gauteng, increase its seating capacity to nearly 100 000.

To crown it all, the stadium has been designed in an isiNdebele calabash-like shape in order to provide the spectators with a real African feel.

Some people believe that the stadium will become South Africa's "theatre of dreams" once it is complete. According to Local Organising Commitee (LOC) chief excecutive Danny Jordaan, Soccer City stadium, which is expected to be the venue for the finals, is undergoing upgrading to reach world-class status.

Jordaan, who is working tirelessly to ensure the country hosts a successful global event in 2010, said the imposing stadium will hopefully be a tourist attraction as well.

"As Soccer City will house the plush Safa headquarters and become the venue for the finals, it is purely for this reason that its refurbishment is earmarked to increase its seating capacity from 70 000 to 98 000.

"A team of designers has been appointed for two years to look into the construction of the offices as the first phase," said Jordaan.

He said construction had already begun outside the stadium, whose offices will cost R60 million.

"The designers are hoping that the building of the structure will get under way in August in order for the stadium itself to be ready for use ahead of the Confederations Cup in 2009, a year before our world cup," he said.

Other stadiums earmarked for refurbishment are Greenpoint (Cape Town), King's Park Soccer (Ethekwini), Nelson Mandela (Port Elizabeth), Peter Mokaba (Polokwane) and Mbombela (Nelspruit).

"After initial hiccups regarding the new Western Cape municipality, the Cape Town city council has now agreed to create a special purpose vehicle to speed up the construction of a 68 000-seater stadium in time for the World Cup.

"The building is programmed to begin in November and will be completed in 2009," Jordaan said.

The LOC chief executive explained that the construction of King's Park, with 58 000 seats, would begin in November, and the Nelson Mandela stadium (60 000 capacity) would be ready by the end of 2008.

Polokwane, which takes about 48 000 spectators, is expected to be ready by November. Mbombela, which absorbs 50 000 fans, will have its preliminary design programme done, also in November.

"Venues such as Rustenburg, Loftus Versfeld, Ellis Park and Bloemfontein require minor upgrading and essentially the constuction of temporary facilities ," he said.

Jordaan said facilities for those venues would be planned towards the end of this year.

Fruit Machine
May 8th, 2006, 06:42 PM
98000!!! Looks like this stadium will do a big shit on Wembleys face!!


Will South Africa have the best football stadiums in the world in 2010?

Mo Rush
May 8th, 2006, 07:17 PM
98000!!! Looks like this stadium will do a big shit on Wembleys face!!


Will South Africa have the best football stadiums in the world in 2010?

The focus in South Africa is on producing a spectacular well organized world cup unlike any before. There is no real competition to outdo any previous or future hosts in terms of stadia or otherwise. In terms of stadia the emphasis is on quality structures, that are iconic but also provide a legacy for football in the country. In many cities e.g. Cape Town will have a new 70,000 seater with retractable roof, but it also has a football venue being upgraded to seat 30,000 and of course newlands rugby stadium. So the emphasis is to provide a specific legacy for football.

In terms of the best stadia. Step one....only one stadium will have an athletics track, which might be removed and its not one of the main stadia.
Where athletics tracks exist in the new stadia to be built in cape town and durban, retractable seating will be used in those stadia ala stade de france.
I do believe the 98,000 main stadium will be an amazing world cup venue in an all football venue. An electric atmosphere at the first world cup finals since paris 1998 that won't have an athletics track. Also the highest capacity for an world cup final since the mexico world cup final at stadium azteca for 114,600. It won't be better than wembley in terms of the restaurants, stores, etc. of wembley but in capacity it will be close to 100,000 including VIP's etc.

South Africa will host the best world cup it can. If that includes three spectacular stadia amongst the other ten that are all of the best quality then so be it.

Its AlL gUUd
May 8th, 2006, 09:33 PM
98000!!! Looks like this stadium will do a big shit on Wembleys face!!


Will South Africa have the best football stadiums in the world in 2010?

if you were actually knowledgeable in sports/football you would know that capacity doesn't determine quality, Wembley will probably be the best stadium in the world but it doesn't take anything away from this stadium.

Fruit Machine
May 8th, 2006, 09:46 PM
I don't class retail parks as the best stadiums in the world. I don't class rows of seats so far apart you could fit a bed in them as the best designed stadium in the world. For it's size, Wembley should be 120000, not 90000. This means the fans will be very spaced out resulting in a poor atmosphere. I like intimate passionate stadiums, not big retail parks full of business men.

Wembley has been nothing but a big disappointment. It's has no soul, no passion, no spirit - just a big shopping centre with seats. It will be a good stadium, but it could of been so much more. Even the capacity isn't that sp-ecial!!

Mo Rush
May 8th, 2006, 11:04 PM
I don't class retail parks as the best stadiums in the world. I don't class rows of seats so far apart you could fit a bed in them as the best designed stadium in the world. For it's size, Wembley should be 120000, not 90000. This means the fans will be very spaced out resulting in a poor atmosphere. I like intimate passionate stadiums, not big retail parks full of business men.

Wembley had been nothing but a big disappointment. It's has no soul, no passion, no spirit - just a big shopping centre with seats. It will be a good stadium, but it could of been so much more. Even the capacity isn't that sp-ecial!!

This is also very true....a packed 98,000 seater will be out of this world...
This is the stadium today, now just add 30,000 more seats completing the second tier and a roof...and just think about it..

http://www.gilesridley.com/newpics/fnb-02.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/newpics/fnb-01.jpg

mauritius gunner
May 8th, 2006, 11:47 PM
I don't class retail parks as the best stadiums in the world. I don't class rows of seats so far apart you could fit a bed in them as the best designed stadium in the world. For it's size, Wembley should be 120000, not 90000. This means the fans will be very spaced out resulting in a poor atmosphere. I like intimate passionate stadiums, not big retail parks full of business men.

Wembley has been nothing but a big disappointment. It's has no soul, no passion, no spirit - just a big shopping centre with seats. It will be a good stadium, but it could of been so much more. Even the capacity isn't that sp-ecial!!

That just then proves you know buggerall about stadium architecture
If its sweaty armpits you like the smell of, try the Maracana or Estadio Rio del Plata, big stadiums full of atmosphere, but crumbling wrecks of concrete and no glass or steel.

Fruit Machine
May 8th, 2006, 11:55 PM
No, that's going from one extreme to the other. You are going from too much comfy luxury facilities to absolutely no luxury facilities. The best stadiums are the one's in-between. A good example is Dortmund. Modern seated stands with VIP boxes, but still mainly normal seats with good legroom but not too far apart. They also have a 27000 modern terrace for the hardcore fans. A real temple of a football stadium. 82000 fans with a reasonably small number of VIP seats, meaning most people in the stadium are proper fans that create a great atmosphere.

The New Wembley is the kind of stadium I would expect in America. It has far too much VIP seats and far too much legroom. It is a stadium for families, not a stadium for hardcore football fans. It is a 'nice' stadium, not an intimidating stadium. Away team players will enjoy playing in it, rather than fear playing in it. Not my cup of tea.

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 12:01 AM
http://www.bris.ac.uk/languagecentre/afl/german/images/olympiastadion

was that a goal or a corner?..i cant see...

DUBAI
May 9th, 2006, 12:03 AM
I really like the exterior detail. does anyone have photos of what it looks like currently?

As for wembley, it is a completly different kind of stadium, and i really dont think you can judge it untill it has actualy been completed. how can it have a bad atmosphere, if no atmosphere has ever been generated there?

Fruit Machine
May 9th, 2006, 12:09 AM
I really like the exterior detail. does anyone have photos of what it looks like currently?

As for wembley, it is a completly different kind of stadium, and i really dont think you can judge it untill it has actualy been completed. how can it have a bad atmosphere, if no atmosphere has ever been generated there?

True, I can't be certain until it is finished, but it's not looking good!

cmc
May 9th, 2006, 03:53 AM
Nice Stadium....
:dance:

HoldenV8
May 9th, 2006, 08:30 AM
Ask and ye shall receive

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4733/fnbstadium0105by.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1115/fnbstadium0112ay.jpg

A Pet Shop Boy
May 9th, 2006, 08:45 AM
Very disappointing to be honest. I hope there are some major changes to the whole stadium. It appears to be basically a hole in the ground!!! Stands are nice and close to the pitch though. Maybe it won't be better than Wembley, we will wait and see.

NavyBlue
May 9th, 2006, 09:26 AM
"As Soccer City will house the plush Safa headquarters and become the venue for the finals, it is purely for this reason that its refurbishment is earmarked to increase its seating capacity from 70 000 to 98 000.
I thought it's current capacity was already 90,000???

Worldstadiums (http://www.worldstadiums.com/africa/countries/south_africa/gauteng.shtml)

Durbsboi
May 9th, 2006, 10:04 AM
No it currently holds 70 000 & is to be upgraded to 98 000, they also gona take some leads from Germany's Allianz arena for this stadium.

Ah Mo you can just make out when you start a thread, absolutely shit all about Durban !

Anyway guys, since the main attraction is going to be in Joburg, & you have already heard what Cape Town is up too. Durban is going to get a 70 000 seater stadium thats going to be an iconic venue that will be known through out the world, it will be in a league of new stadiums that can add on the capacity & drop it when need be, after the world cup in 2010 the stadium's capacity will be reduced to 45 000, & if the need arises as the council has pointed out, that if Durban wins the bid to host the 'olympics' OR 'Common Wealth games' the stadium will be easily upgraded to seat 100 000 fans. The reason for Durban not making it 100 000 for the world cup is that FIFA's requirement for a stadium hosting a semi final must be able to seat at least 70 000, & since jhb is getting a 100 000 seater stadium it would be pointless having another one.

The stadium that Durban is going to get is just part of the sporting development thats going to be built, another smaller indoor arena seating approx 10 000 - 15 000 people will also be built, the train netwroks are to be upgraded in the stadium area's & other major developments will take place such as hotels in the stadium precinct.

The Durban Council have selected 5 companies to come up with this iconic design for submission, the best design will be chosen by July 06, then the demolishion of our current & barely used soccer stadium will commence by year end, Construction of the new stadium will begin next year.

Durban is also building a brand new airport which be north of the city center for the world cup, it will be the first newly built airport in the world to accomodate the new super jumbo's of our era (Airbus A380).

That is just some of the stuff happening in Durban that I could think out of my head, for more visit the SA thread.

Durbsboi
May 9th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Very disappointing to be honest. I hope there are some major changes to the whole stadium. It appears to be basically a hole in the ground!!! Stands are nice and close to the pitch though. Maybe it won't be better than Wembley, we will wait and see.
uuh thats how the stadium currently looks, the first pic posted (the bowl) is how its gonna look for 2010.

christoph
May 9th, 2006, 11:22 AM
http://www.bris.ac.uk/languagecentre/afl/german/images/olympiastadion

was that a goal or a corner?..i cant see...


Don't you worry.
Lucky you, that South Africa won't play the final in Berlin. Actually they are not even qualified, I believe.

Germany will show that they have 11 top class venues this year (half a point for Nuremberg and Stuttgart).

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Good luck to germany but a 98,000 seater will still be great...the current state of the stadium is far from what it will actually look like...its to undergo a massive upgrade at a cost of basically another new stadium..addition 30,000 seats to complete the bowl as well as a roof...The media centre will also be located nearby as well as training fields etc...but wait till after germany 2006 when the real plans are revealed to the world...for now everything has to be hush hush to not draw any attention away from germany 2006..

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 02:27 PM
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/614/soccercity20103sj.jpg

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 9th, 2006, 03:56 PM
What's gonna happen after the world cup though? No offense, but South Africa is never gonna be able to fill that stadium after the WC. It could turn out to be a white elephant if they pay for a massive expansion of the stadium and then it doesn't get used. I'm guessing they will scale it back down afterwards, but even that will take up more money....I hope they know what they're doing.

You know, I think I've just decided something, I'm gonna go to this World Cup! Obviously my schedule will change over the years, but if I can get time off, I intend to get tickets! Where's the best place to stay in SA???

:cheers:

Durbsboi
May 9th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Dont worry about us filling this stadium, for Bafana (South African foot ball team) matches, it will draw capacity crowd, & that ground is home to one of SA's famous clubs, so if there is match there, it will get a decent crowd. & in local derby's I'm sure u'll get fans sitting on the roofs, coz everyone wants to be there.

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 06:23 PM
What's gonna happen after the world cup though? No offense, but South Africa is never gonna be able to fill that stadium after the WC. It could turn out to be a white elephant if they pay for a massive expansion of the stadium and then it doesn't get used. I'm guessing they will scale it back down afterwards, but even that will take up more money....I hope they know what they're doing.

You know, I think I've just decided something, I'm gonna go to this World Cup! Obviously my schedule will change over the years, but if I can get time off, I intend to get tickets! Where's the best place to stay in SA???

:cheers:
base urself in cape town

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 9th, 2006, 07:55 PM
base urself in cape town
No bias there? ;)

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 08:24 PM
No bias there? ;)
well most teams will...is there a better city to be baseD?

dysan1
May 9th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Base yourself in CT...it is always lovely in winter...rain, gale force winds and COLD...

Or travel to durban where you can tan on the beach, swim in the sea and not have to worry about any rain or cold at all...maybe bring a light jacket for the evenings...

Mo thinks that everyone will be in CT and not leave...

Mo Rush
May 9th, 2006, 10:30 PM
Base yourself in CT...it is always lovely in winter...rain, gale force winds and COLD...

Or travel to durban where you can tan on the beach, swim in the sea and not have to worry about any rain or cold at all...maybe bring a light jacket for the evenings...

Mo thinks that everyone will be in CT and not leave...
CAPE TOWN

Forecast: Tuesday, 9 May 2006

Min: 15°C
Max: 27°C

Forecast: Wednesday, 10 May 2006

Min: 17°C Max: 30°C

u do know where durban is right?

dysan1
May 10th, 2006, 11:20 PM
dude...its not winter proper in CT yet...bring on the wind protection and fill up those dams... :)

hngcm
May 11th, 2006, 09:39 AM
All I know is that I'm staying in Cape Town.:)

Durbsboi
May 11th, 2006, 09:51 AM
^^go ahead stay in Cape Town, you'll see what dysan is talking about.
They were discussing long before 2010 bid, but according to the 2006 bid,
teams like England & Brazil were opted to be based in Durban?

England for the crowd support (hence the friendly against England was played in Durban)
& Brazil was for the climate.

Now I wonder which teams were suppose to be based in CT? Senegal?

Mo Rush
May 11th, 2006, 01:34 PM
All I know is that I'm staying in Cape Town.:)
see http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346743
for pics of cape town ...

Mo Rush
May 11th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Building of Mpumalanga World Cup Stadium to Begin

BuaNews (Tshwane)
NEWS
May 10, 2006
Posted to the web May 10, 2006

By Sizwe Samayende
Nelspruit

The construction of a stadium in Mpumalanga for the 2010 Soccer World Cup will begin this September.

Mpumalanga premier Thabang Makwetla told the legislature that other infrastructural plans to prepare the province for the successful hosting of the biggest soccer showpiece would also be finalised soon.

The stadium, to be situated on community-owned land in Mataffin, outside Nelspruit, is expected to cost about R600 million.

"National government has made an undertaking to provide the financial resources pertaining to the 2010 world cup infrastructure requirements," Mr Makwetla said.

Government has already allocated R242 million towards planning for the stadia.

Mr Makwetla said his office was in the process of appointing a director-general to co-ordinate the world cup preparations.

The host municipality of Mbombela would also be appointing a project manager to oversee the preparations.

Government announced in February the locations of the ten stadia that will be used when South Africa hosts the FIFA Soccer World Cup in 2010.

There will be five new stadia. And five existing stadia will be refurbished and upgraded for the world's most popular sporting event, Deputy Minister of Sport and Recreation, Gert Oosthuizen had said.

Three existing stadia in South Africa's major metropolis, Gauteng, will be upgraded. These are Soccer City (FNB stadium), Ellis Park and Loftus Versfeld.

The Royal Bafokeng stadium in North West province will be upgraded, as will the Vodacom Park in Mangaung (Bloemfontein) in Free State province.

Five new stadia will be built or rebuilt.

In Limpopo, the Peter Mokaba stadium in Polokwane will host 2010 games.

A new stadium will also be built in the Nelson Mandela Metro (encompassing Port Elizabeth) in the Eastern Cape.

Kings Park stadium in the eThekwini Metro (encompassing Durban) will be rebuilt for the event, becoming also a multi-sports facility.

And in the Western Cape, Cape Town's Green Point stadium will be rebuilt, becoming a "totally new" multi-purpose sports facility complete with a dome, which will be able to open and close.

Meanwhile, the Mbombela municipality will be celebrating its victory to host some of the 2010 World Cup matches towards the end of this month.

Mbombela spokesperson, Skhumbuzo Shongwe said the three-day celebrations, scheduled to take place from 26-28 May would include sports and cultural activities.

Mr Shongwe said executive mayor Justice Nsibande would also host one of the 2010 World Cup National Local Organising Committee (LOC) members on May 27.

The member will address local business people about the opportunities presented by 2010 during a breakfast meeting.

"Many activities will be part of this celebration. The mayor will also host representatives of the Matola and Mbabane cities in Mozambique and Swaziland respectively as part of the twinning agreements that Mbombela has with them," Mr Shongwe said.

The sports activities will include soccer, basketball, volleyball, netball and wheelchair basketball.

Mo Rush
May 11th, 2006, 01:43 PM
Joburg’s World Cup efforts under way in earnest
Chantelle Benjamin

JOHANNESBURG has kicked off its preparation for the 2010 Soccer World Cup, with mayor Amos Masondo expressing confidence that his office will ensure that venues and transport are ready in time for the event.

It is estimated that the World Cup will attract about 500000 visitors to the country, contribute millions to the economy and create about 22000 jobs.

Masondo said plans laid towards the end of his past term would ensure that some of the investment will stay in Johannesburg, even though it would all come at a cost to the city.

The city is still discussing the setting up of public-private partnerships to assist over the next four years with the costly task of upgrading stadiums identified for matches and training.

The city has set aside R134,5m in its 2005-06 budget to support bid-specific projects, according to a review, says Masondo .

The upgrading of Ellis Park and Nasrec’s Soccer City stadiums alone is expected to cost R387m. About R30m is to be spent this year on upgrading facilities at the Rand, Dobsonville and Orlando stadiums, while R69,5m is to be spent on various transport projects.

Masondo said upgrading at Ellis Park and the Orlando and Rand stadiums was under way. Ellis Park is expected to be completed this year, while Soccer City will be finished by April next year.

Masondo said he appointed a mayoral subcommittee last year to manage the project in conjunction with the 2010 World Cup preparatory committee.

The committee, which has to liaise with other spheres of government, was expected to analyse Fifa’s requirements, set out a list of objectives for the city and ensure they are implemented.

One of Fifa’s demands relates to transport.

It recommends that an ideal travel time from accommodation to venues should not take longer than 30 minutes.

“The city’s transport planning and management directorate has begun to do a much more detailed modelling of travel demand likely to be experienced in Johannesburg at the time of the event,” Masondo said.

The controversial R20bn Gautrain formed part of the city’s integrated transport development plans, intended to transport spectators from the airport to Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Last year, the transport department allocated R107m to the city for transport projects like the N17 road link to Nasrec and an inner city distribution system.

The city says it has requested another R999,95m to support remaining projects.

Masondo said the Johannesburg metropolitan police would also have a budget for the recruitment and training of extra staff.

The provision of information technology infrastructure for media centres and accommodation for teams and officials still has to be clarified.

Mo Rush
May 20th, 2006, 02:34 AM
My draw...yes?no?never!what was i thinking?

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5188/2010worldcupvenues6or.jpg

hngcm
May 21st, 2006, 07:15 AM
Pencil in Mexico for that last match...

Giorgio
May 21st, 2006, 10:18 AM
I cant make it to Germany...
I wish I could go to the 2010 World cup but id rather watch it from my local pub than risk being shot.

Have a good WC though ;) Goodluck

Mo Rush
May 21st, 2006, 03:27 PM
']I cant make it to Germany...
I wish I could go to the 2010 World cup but id rather watch it from my local pub than risk being shot.

Have a good WC though ;) Goodluck
again as before ignorance is ur problem not mine.

Giorgio
May 21st, 2006, 04:18 PM
again as before ignorance is ur problem not mine.
Well I am not god, I cant control what people do.
Theres diffrence between ignorance and fact Im afraid.

Gherkin
May 21st, 2006, 04:22 PM
I've been to South Africa and felt really safe. Nice place :) The only thing to worry about is travelling all the way there for the matches.

Durbsboi
May 22nd, 2006, 11:53 AM
']I cant make it to Germany...
I wish I could go to the 2010 World cup but id rather watch it from my local pub than risk being shot.

Have a good WC though ;) Goodluck
Now If I were like you, I would be jumping & screaming "You racisist BIATCH, I'm tellin the mods, I'm reporting you now, racisist........"
You see where I'm going here, but if you do come down for 2010, you better be aware that we will be on the look out for greeks that hide in asstralia & given the sporting history between the two country's we South Africans dont like the Asstralians that much, hence you will be shot ;) :jk: (That was a joke)

Durbsboi
May 22nd, 2006, 12:08 PM
I think [Gioяgos] is jealous of South Africa, because we hosting a bigger event than the olympics, where by more of our city's will be show cased than just 1.

Dont worry [Gioяgos] Greece should get to host the World biggest sporting occasion soon, why dont your'll take a head start & start designing roof's :D

Giorgio
May 23rd, 2006, 01:26 PM
Will do.
But may I remind you im not the one with a sig reading:

Greece - EUROPES FIFA WORLD CUP HOSTS

when its certainly not true. ;)
When you have such members in your forum, youd ought to be careful with what you say. ... . Hmm, whos the jealous one? :D

(and no pum to Durbs with whom I am enjoying a good relationship from here on in)

Durbsboi
May 23rd, 2006, 02:02 PM
yes we are giorg ;)

Giorgio
May 24th, 2006, 08:10 AM
Ok, Can Mo Rush please stop sending me abusive PM's. Thanks,

Durbs, what is the list of stadiums which will be used?

Mo Rush
May 24th, 2006, 10:16 AM
']Ok, Can Mo Rush please stop sending me abusive PM's. Thanks,

Durbs, what is the list of stadiums which will be used?
i replied to a message which u sent me in a civil manner. if u feel offended my message can be made public and then it will just be a waste of time, simply confirming what everyone already thinks of you. in no way was it abusive. please remove yourself from the south african forums thanks.

Giorgio
May 24th, 2006, 10:25 AM
i replied to a message which u sent me in a civil manner. if u feel offended my message can be made public and then it will just be a waste of time, simply confirming what everyone already thinks of you. in no way was it abusive. please remove yourself from the south african forums thanks.
1) People dont think to well of you as I have been informed by many members including SA forumers

2) You have absoultely no authority in telling me to remove myself from such a thread.

Thankyou, Better luck next time.

Durbsboi
May 24th, 2006, 10:32 AM
could ur'll do this in PM pleez

Giorgio
May 24th, 2006, 10:38 AM
There is nothing to do, Mo Rush is now on my Ignore List.

skaP187
May 24th, 2006, 02:20 PM
you guys are full of it.... and you know what. Does anyone have some information about the stadia beeing used in SA, I have seen some small picks and they looked promissing, but whereever I look on the web I cannot find more info ...

Mo Rush
May 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM
i dont get it? he comes in here....causes a stir intentionally...accuses me of sending abusive messages?...wtf

skaP187
May 24th, 2006, 05:30 PM
i dont get it? he comes in here....causes a stir intentionally...accuses me of sending abusive messages?...wtf

well mr CAPE TOWN - AFRICAS OLYMPIC GAMES HOST SOUTH AFRICA 2010
AFRICAN GRAND PRIX 2009, you got some info or you are full of it to? :bash:

Seth Gecko
May 24th, 2006, 05:49 PM
Here guys, use this:

http://bioc.rice.edu/precollege/k12resources/ca/ruler.jpg

Its AlL gUUd
May 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM
:rofl:

Mo Rush
May 24th, 2006, 07:18 PM
well mr CAPE TOWN - AFRICAS OLYMPIC GAMES HOST SOUTH AFRICA 2010
AFRICAN GRAND PRIX 2009, you got some info or you are full of it to? :bash:
"I cant make it to Germany...
I wish I could go to the 2010 World cup but id rather watch it from my local pub than risk being shot.

Have a good WC though Goodluck"

the post that started it off...see a pattern?

Foreign experts in town to help plan World Cup stadium

May 23, 2006

By Michael Morris, Phida Essop & Henri du Plessis

Foreign experts have arrived in Cape Town to give their input into the city's planning of its new football stadium. This comes as the council announced that contingency funds of R325 million had been provided for preparations for the 2010 World Cup.

The council said provision has been made for the funds in the city's 2006/07 budget.

There was no allocated sum for the tournament in the budget, because the business plan for the event had yet to be finalised. British quantity surveyors and German architects have talks with Teral Cullen, the head of the city's World Cup 2010 office.

Cullen said yesterday that a high-level workshop was held with the British team.

"We are working on three different processes at the same time - the design, the business plan and the environmental impact," she said.

"We have a public meeting on the environmental impact assessment where we have to come back to the public with the results of the studies," she said.

"After that, on June 30, we also have to submit the business plan to the treasury and to do that, we have to determine the sustainability, concept design and financial modelling of the project.

"We are therefore drawing on the expertise of the overseas partners in the project.

"The British team, from Davis Langdon International Quantity Surveyors, have that expertise, having done the Manchester Commonwealth Games."

Cullen said talks on a joint venture between two groups which had put in a bid for the project, were at an advanced stage.

Construction of the stadium at Green Point was scheduled to begin in January, Sport and Cultural Affairs MEC Whitey Jacobs said.


Delivering his budget in the provincial legislature, Jacobs said preliminary preparations for the event were progressing rapidly.
The environmental impact assessment process should be concluded soon.

"The design process should be completed in June for submission of the first draft to the National Treasury by June 30," he said.
The design and development team to manage this process had been appointed.

"A final proposal will be submitted to the National Treasury at the end of October 2006, which will allow for the tender process to commence.

"We hope that the construction of the stadium will start at the end of January 2007 and be completed in 2008," Jacobs said.

Meanwhile, budget director Mike Richardson told Mayco yesterday that the contingency would see the city through initial spending needs over the next three years.

A sum of R125m was available for the next year, and additional sums of R100m a year would be available for the following two years.

# Mayor Helen Zille is to turn down an R80 000 trip to Germany to look at Berlin's 2006 World Cup projects.

She told Mayco yesterday that officials should advise the council on whose presence in Germany would be of more benefit to Cape Town's hosting preparations. A second invitation to attend an "executive programme" in Berlin in July would go to Mayco finance member Ian Neilson who earlier this month attended a Fifa meeting in Sandton on Zille's behalf.

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 10:52 AM
you guys are full of it.... and you know what. Does anyone have some information about the stadia beeing used in SA, I have seen some small picks and they looked promissing, but whereever I look on the web I cannot find more info ...
go here for the stadiums : Pics of stadiums (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=stadionlisten&view=wm2010)

Official website (http://www.sa2010bid.co.za/)

skaP187
May 25th, 2006, 11:04 AM
go here for the stadiums : Pics of stadiums (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=stadionlisten&view=wm2010)

Official website (http://www.sa2010bid.co.za/)

Thanks Durbsboi, but that was what I meant. These pictures I allready saw and they look promising, I have got hunger for more! but I just can't find it.
I have checked the SA FA but the part about stadiums was under construction so I guess I'll just have to wait... Realy a strong point of me...
Thanks anyway!

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Sorry skaP187, we in SA are all dying in intacipation to see the designs of the new stadiums as well, but all construction should start before the end of the year so we will see the designs shortly............hopefully

skaP187
May 25th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Are the pictures we have seen sofar just proposals? Maybe we can find something on the sites of architects or something like, there should be more info.
What's the wheather like there right now. It is winter no?
One time saw Nelson Mandela with a russian het on, while watching the game SA-Holland, so I guess it can also be cold in SA, or differs that a lot in SA from part to part? this because a lot of stadiums do not have a lot of roothing. I heard from another forumer that for UEFA 2/3 of the stadiums always needs to be roothed (for us polarbears) That is not the case for a world cup?

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 11:37 AM
Well most of the designs are just proposals, we thought they were the final product, but we were wrong, Cape Town & Durban have said that they are to build brand new stadiums for 2010, & now they have a new design for Soccer City, so if they want all of this, they have to start construction soon to be complete in time for 2010.

skaP187
May 25th, 2006, 11:56 AM
just checked out your design Durbsboi, nice nice, specialy the smaller arena I like.
Is there a reason you designed the main stadium with an running thrack? I'd prefer one without, or a Stade de France tipe of thing. For the rest it's okay!

Mo Rush
May 25th, 2006, 11:59 AM
Are the pictures we have seen sofar just proposals? Maybe we can find something on the sites of architects or something like, there should be more info.
What's the wheather like there right now. It is winter no?
One time saw Nelson Mandela with a russian het on, while watching the game SA-Holland, so I guess it can also be cold in SA, or differs that a lot in SA from part to part? this because a lot of stadiums do not have a lot of roothing. I heard from another forumer that for UEFA 2/3 of the stadiums always needs to be roothed (for us polarbears) That is not the case for a world cup?

no plans or proposals will really be made public before the end of the current fifa world cup in germany..its a kinda unwritten rule of FIFA..oh and it can be cold in south africa...cape town winter ave temp is ab out 17 degrees celsius but games at night can reach zero or 5 ...

Giorgio
May 25th, 2006, 01:49 PM
well mr CAPE TOWN - AFRICAS OLYMPIC GAMES HOST SOUTH AFRICA 2010
AFRICAN GRAND PRIX 2009, you got some info or you are full of it to? :bash:
lmao.

many thanks for the quality and accurate Info to Durbsboi

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 02:46 PM
']many thanks for the quality and accurate Info to Durbsboi

Gee Thanx :tyty:
I'd like to thank my.............

skaP187
May 25th, 2006, 03:13 PM
']lmao.

many thanks for the quality and accurate Info to Durbsboi

G- I forgot to say thanks? Thanks!

Mo Rush
May 25th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Gee Thanx :tyty:
I'd like to thank my.............
a giorgios in the making.

Africa’s economy high, but 2010 World Cup set to stimulate it further
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has predicted that Africa’s economy would reach 5,8% this year – a significant increase from last year’s five percent.

In this regard, the International Marketing Council (IMC) says it is important that the continent, when commemorating Africa Day today, rallies behind South Africa’s successful hosting of the 2010 soccer World Cup for the showpiece to further stimulate the economy.

Africa Day marks the establishment of the Organisation of African Union (OAU) on May 25, 1963, in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. The OAU was replaced by the African Union (AU) in 2001. The day exemplifies efforts by various leaders in Africa to develop the continent not only economically but socially as well. For this reason, the African Union (AU), through its establishments such as Nepad, the African Peer Review Mechanism (APRM) and the Pan African Parliament are seen as important in helping to address some of the problems Africa is facing.

The objective is to ensure that the 21st century truly becomes an African Century.

To ensure that the continent’s economy is spurred to even greater heights, the IMC said it would “vigorously” mount marketing initiatives about South Africa to the rest of the world as a build-up to 2010.

“But we are fully aware that while 2010 may be hosted by us, it is essentially an African event,” it said in a statement.

With only a few weeks left before Germany hosts the 2006 Soccer World Cup, the IMC has urged all people on the continent to support African countries participating in the spectacular event.

The countries are Angola, Cote d’Ivoire, Ghana, Togo and Tunisia.

In the meantime, South Africa is advancing preparations for the 2010 soccer tournament.

The Mpumalanga government has already announced plans to construct a stadium in September at Mataffin, outside Nelspruit, which is expected to cost about R600-million.

Three existing stadia in South Africa's major metropolis, Gauteng, will be upgraded. These are Soccer City (FNB stadium), Ellis Park and Loftus Versfeld.

The Royal Bafokeng stadium in North West province will be upgraded, as will the Vodacom Park in Mangaung (Bloemfontein) in Free State province.

Five new stadia will be built or rebuilt. In Limpopo, the Peter Mokaba stadium in Polokwane will host some of the 2010 games.

A new stadium will also be built in the Nelson Mandela Metro (encompassing Port Elizabeth) in the Eastern Cape.

Kings Park stadium in the eThekwini Metro (encompassing Durban) will be rebuilt for the event, becoming also a multi-sports facility.

And in the Western Cape, Cape Town's Green Point stadium will be rebuilt, becoming a "totally new" multi-purpose sports facility complete with a dome, which will be able to open and close. – BuaNews

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 03:28 PM
just checked out your design Durbsboi, nice nice, specialy the smaller arena I like.
Is there a reason you designed the main stadium with an running thrack? I'd prefer one without, or a Stade de France tipe of thing. For the rest it's okay!
Thanx skaP187, I took the advice from the original spec for the stadium & came up with the design, it has got movable seating which allows the spectator to be closer to the pitch. The spec calls for a multi purpose venue where by more than one sport can be played, & also for temp seating to be added on or removed easily. So that was the concept behind my design, now it in the spec they also wanted an indoor arena for other olympic code indoor sports , hence the arena, now parking for stadiums are always a bitch, so I designed a multistorey parkade, linking the stadium to the arena, which at the ground floor houses a sports museum.

Durbsboi
May 25th, 2006, 03:31 PM
a giorgios in the making.

Hey Stop calling me names :rant:

Mo Rush
May 27th, 2006, 03:48 AM
S. Africa to stage mini World Cup among youngsters
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Although there are four years to go for South Africa to host the FIFA World Cup tournament, a mini version of the world's most exciting soccer event will take place in the country this weekend.

And no one is sure whether "Brazilians" or "Angolans" will win the trophy, despite the fact that gamblers for the 2006 World Cup in Germany next month have listed Brazil as the favorite at 3.75 odds to win, while putting Angola at 501 odds to win.

All 32 "national squads" will be played by primary school pupils in Johannesburg, the organizers announced on Thursday.

Primary schools from Johannesburg's townships including Soweto, Orange Farm, Lenasia, and Eldorado Park will participate in the two-day event from Friday, said the Gauteng provincial departments of education and sport.

Each participating school has been allocated a name of one of the countries taking part in the 2006 Germany World Cup and the fixture list mirrors the World Cup groups "to create a realistic atmosphere for the participants," said the organizers.

"The Mini World cup is not just about goals, guts and glory," said sports coordinator Agsie Pillay. "The education department is also using this opportunity to educate learners about the different cultures and countries participating."

"Sport has played a major role in building bridges amongst our communities and this event will assist in realizing our vision for a better South Africa," said Pillay.

The activity also aims to promote mass participation in sporting activities while identifying local young talents.

South Africa's national team failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament in Germany, disappointing local fans and raising concerns over their performance at the next tournament at home in 2010.

Source: Xinhua

dysan1
May 27th, 2006, 05:06 PM
My god i step away from this thread for a bit you lot go mad... my my my...thanx for whoever put the ruler pic up...priceless!

As durbsboi has said, no one is really sure what the final designs will be. i have seen one of the proposed ones for the durban stadium. It had permanent capacity of 55 000, but 70 000 for the games. VERY INTERESTING design, i rather liked it, but i do not have access to a copy of it and even if i did, due to legal issues i wld not be able to post it. See designs will only be released once the Durban City Council has selected the winning bid, which will be mid july, after the WC in Germany.

All the Durban designs will have the main stadium, sporting musuem, sports science institute and a smaller indoor arena for 15 000 people...the 5 potential designs are being submitted as we speak

mauritius gunner
May 27th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Not being funny or anything, but are SA actually taking this tournament seriously or not?

Given the size and scope of the tournament, you really should be moving on projects. According to the Stadionwelt site, Soccercity is due for completion in 2007, no construction appears to have started yet.

Your official website is a load of crap, it hasn't changed I think when I last looked at it 6 months ago. Your bid is clearly not deserved and is looking more and more like a political sympathy vote, when other nations clearly deserve to host this more.

Sorry about the dampner, though I am English, I am also a Mauritian and very much behind an African World Cup bid, but credit where it is due I think!

Mo Rush
May 27th, 2006, 07:13 PM
Of course the tournament is being taken seriously...serious preparations and plans are being drawn up..construction on new stadia begin january 2007 visit www.capetown.gov.za and click on the 2010 world cup link for the current plans and studies being undertaken...currently the 70,000 seater cape town stadium with retractable roof is being designed and this will be release mid july...with construction starting jan 2007 and ending 2008...the main stadium already seats 70,000 and it shud be complete early 2008...as for the website at the moment there is no official website..which is standard but there is one that links from the fifa world cup website..

other nations? like morrocco? our bid clearly not deserved?...i understand the communcations issue is rather poor at the moment but FIFA is keeping a lot under the wraps until the end of germany 2006..all i can say is wait till the end of july...

1. All the stadia final designs and plans are being finalised...meaning construction can start soon...remember that 6 of the stadia already exist

from the outside it seems as if nothing is being done...but most of the work at the moment is going on behind the scenes...

durbsboi dysan?

Mo Rush
May 27th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Joburg’s World Cup efforts under way in earnest
Chantelle Benjamin

JOHANNESBURG has kicked off its preparation for the 2010 Soccer World Cup, with mayor Amos Masondo expressing confidence that his office will ensure that venues and transport are ready in time for the event.

It is estimated that the World Cup will attract about 500000 visitors to the country, contribute millions to the economy and create about 22000 jobs.

Masondo said plans laid towards the end of his past term would ensure that some of the investment will stay in Johannesburg, even though it would all come at a cost to the city.

The city is still discussing the setting up of public-private partnerships to assist over the next four years with the costly task of upgrading stadiums identified for matches and training.

The city has set aside R134,5m in its 2005-06 budget to support bid-specific projects, according to a review, says Masondo .

The upgrading of Ellis Park and Nasrec’s Soccer City stadiums alone is expected to cost R387m. About R30m is to be spent this year on upgrading facilities at the Rand, Dobsonville and Orlando stadiums, while R69,5m is to be spent on various transport projects.

Masondo said upgrading at Ellis Park and the Orlando and Rand stadiums was under way. Ellis Park is expected to be completed this year, while Soccer City will be finished by April next year.

Masondo said he appointed a mayoral subcommittee last year to manage the project in conjunction with the 2010 World Cup preparatory committee.

The committee, which has to liaise with other spheres of government, was expected to analyse Fifa’s requirements, set out a list of objectives for the city and ensure they are implemented.

One of Fifa’s demands relates to transport.

It recommends that an ideal travel time from accommodation to venues should not take longer than 30 minutes.

“The city’s transport planning and management directorate has begun to do a much more detailed modelling of travel demand likely to be experienced in Johannesburg at the time of the event,” Masondo said.

The controversial R20bn Gautrain formed part of the city’s integrated transport development plans, intended to transport spectators from the airport to Johannesburg and Pretoria.

Last year, the transport department allocated R107m to the city for transport projects like the N17 road link to Nasrec and an inner city distribution system.

The city says it has requested another R999,95m to support remaining projects.

Masondo said the Johannesburg metropolitan police would also have a budget for the recruitment and training of extra staff.

The provision of information technology infrastructure for media centres and accommodation for teams and officials still has to be clarified.

Mo Rush
May 27th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Broadband specialist set to tackle 2010 soccer spectacle
South Africa will be ready to broadcast the 2010 soccer World Cup despite much confusion surrounding the upgrading of State-owned Sentech’s analogue broadcasting system to a digital broadcasting transmission. “There has never been a need to run 20-gigabyte-per-second channels dedicated to sporting venues,” says Sentech executive Frans Lindeque.

The 30-year-old analogue transmission infrastructure, according to Lindeque, is anti-quated in the sense that it has never before been needed by South Africa to broadcast a sporting event such as the 2010 soccer World Cup.

Lindeque stresses that the upgrade to digital systems is “about meeting new requirements and putting in place new infrastructure to meet these needs” as stipulated by FIFA whose key requirement for the event is “ade-quate connectivity between stadiums, the international broadcast centres (IBC), media centres and other international broadcasters”. In addition, it has become increasingly difficult to find analogue broadcasting equip-ment as the world moves toward digital broad-casting systems.

Because of these stipulations, stadiums will have to have additional infrastructure investments in order to manage the broad-casting of the events to the federation’s standards. As a result, “a lot of new infrastructure, never before required, will have to be imple-mented”, explains Lindeque.

At the World Cup in Germany this year, media centres will be centralised. The international broadcasting centre will be directly linked to centralised media centres where people report on the event.

Not so for South Africa in 2010; instead the media centres will be decentralised and all the event venues will have their own media centre, another new requirement.

Consequently, “each media centre will need its own connectivity data and feeds to send to the IBC and respective countries”, says Lindeque. South African infrastructure, according to Lindeque, “has never been designed for this type of event and, as a result, we have to imple- ment new systems, like high-definition TV, which we do not have in South Africa, so stadiums must be able to cater for that need through the use of high-definition cameras, and, from this, high-definition content is extracted and sent to the IBC and then to overseas participants”.

Also of importance is the overseas undersea cable – the Sat 3 undersea cable, which runs along the east coast – and Safe, also an under-sea cable, which runs along the west coast.

However, Sentech is concerned that there may not be enough capacity on these cables and there exists the need to look at an alter-native route called the easy cable, which, Lindeque says, “will be used to supplement the other undersea cables”.

Globe Cast – a global content-management and distribution company with an ongoing relationship with Sentech – CEO, Alan Hird stresses that FIFA will want redundancy on redundancy, backups on backups provided by organisations that know what they are doing. “It’s FIFA’s world cup, hosted by South Africa and, as such, they must be happy with the solutions presented,” he says.

Hird believes that FIFA would like “to use local service providers but adds that they must be comfortable with them first or else they will bring in off-shore service providers”.

Despite using local service providers, Sentech will “look to international experience and source international equipment consider-ing the scope of an event such as the soccer World Cup.

“Most equipment comes from overseas, and a large component of the upgrades consists of equipment that is installed, commissioned and operated internationally,” Lindeque acknowledges.

The proposed upgrades will, according to Lindeque, “be up before 2010” with a system test “scheduled for 2009”.

Lindeque emphasises that the key to a suc-cessful infrastructure upgrade is to “start now”.

The upgrade is a long process that involves environmental-impact assessments and permission to dig up roads, to name just a few.

With FIFA and HBS set to arrive soon after Germany 2006, attention on infrastructure development must be focused as soon as time permits.

These developments include upgrades in terms of transport, security and stadiums, all of which Lindeque is confident that South Africa will be able to “meet the requirements”.

In addition, Lindeque believes that Sentech has enough qualified technicians to work on the system “People forget that Sentech is the third company in the world to launch digital systems, after Australia and America, in 1995.

“And between different enterprises, the SABC and the private sector there exits more than adequate expertise to do what is necessary for the event,” he assures.

Many t echnicians find the change from “analogue to digital relatively easy”, adds Hird. Sentech is aware of the need for its infra-structure to be sustainable in the long term and have carefully planned their balancing of “resources and skills in the long term”, says Lindeque.

“Infrastructure put in place now must be used regularly in future.” Sentech’s plans for a digital future are projected for long after the world cup has come and gone.

“There will always be a need for bandwidth. Innovations, such as mobile TV and 3G advance systems, create increasing demands for bandwidth that will carry on post 2010,” says Lindeque.

Investment in signal distribution is also necessary if government wishes to achieve its Accelerated and Shared Growth Initiative, the objective of which is to lower the costs of doing business in South Africa.

“The whole world is migrating toward digital networks,” explains Hird.

And, although the analogue system could have been used for many years, the 2010 soccer World Cup “kick-started” the need for an upgrade because of the difficulty in finding analogue equipment and because of digital systems’ ability to “open up doors in terms of ecommerce, consumer choices and radio, for example”, emphasises Lindeque.

mauritius gunner
May 27th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Yes, that is all nice, but you are leaving all this a little late aren't you? Construction beginning in 2007? 3 years is a very tight schedule to get things completed, tested etc.

Everything appears to be just plans and talk at the moment. Probably a lot of 'under-the-table' red tape as well, I suspect.

By other nations, certainly not Marocco. I just don't think Africa is ready to host a tournament of this size. Sep Blatter is an idiot if he thinks rotation is going to work

mauritius gunner
May 27th, 2006, 07:27 PM
and I am right about the official website being a load of shite

Mo Rush
May 27th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Yes, that is all nice, but you are leaving all this a little late aren't you? Construction beginning in 2007? 3 years is a very tight schedule to get things completed, tested etc.

Everything appears to be just plans and talk at the moment. Probably a lot of 'under-the-table' red tape as well, I suspect.

By other nations, certainly not Marocco. I just don't think Africa is ready to host a tournament of this size. Sep Blatter is an idiot if he thinks rotation is going to work
i see ur point..things will get done..the tournament is going to be spectacular.

Durbsboi
May 28th, 2006, 12:13 AM
Dont hate, congratulate :D

mauritius gunner
May 28th, 2006, 12:14 AM
I hope so

Its AlL gUUd
May 28th, 2006, 01:44 AM
Yes, that is all nice, but you are leaving all this a little late aren't you? Construction beginning in 2007? 3 years is a very tight schedule to get things completed, tested etc.

Everything appears to be just plans and talk at the moment. Probably a lot of 'under-the-table' red tape as well, I suspect.

By other nations, certainly not Marocco. I just don't think Africa is ready to host a tournament of this size. Sep Blatter is an idiot if he thinks rotation is going to work

i agree with your points but SA have been chosen and they have to now deliver, if they fail they will be the most upset out of any of us, so good luck.

Giorgio
May 28th, 2006, 04:10 AM
Yes, that is all nice, but you are leaving all this a little late aren't you? Construction beginning in 2007? 3 years is a very tight schedule to get things completed, tested etc.


Just hire some Albanians and work them 24/7 on minimum wage. :D

Seriously though,
I think it will all get done in time. Unless they build at the speed of Adelaide which is very slow.

Mo Rush
May 28th, 2006, 12:28 PM
']Just hire some Albanians and work them 24/7 on minimum wage. :D

Seriously though,
I think it will all get done in time. Unless they build at the speed of Adelaide which is very slow.
we've got enough south africans for that...

Mo Rush
May 28th, 2006, 12:56 PM
I'd like to raise another point...i am just as concerned as others regarding the completiong of the "new" stadia...however its not south africa's lack of stadia that will hinder its ability to host the tournament as there is none....

these stadia already exist (existing capacities in brackets)
1. soccer city (70,000)
2. loftus versfeld (50,000)
3. vodacom park (40,000)
4. peter mokaba stadium (??)
5. ellis park (60,000)

these will obviously undergo their upgrades and increase capacities where necessary

five new additional stadia will be built.

however, cape town and durban both boast world class stadia already,

cape town has newlands 50,000
durban has kings park 60,000
these stadia wont even be used in the world cup...
newlands
http://www.stadiumguide.com/newlands2.jpg
http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/wpr-03.jpg
http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/wpr02.jpg
kings park

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/kpd-02.jpg
http://www.365englandfans.com/gallery/durban_spooner2.jpg
http://www.365englandfans.com/gallery/sa_ef_englandFans%20(2).jpg

newlands will host manchester united in july..kings park stadium hosted england and will too host manchester united in july

the new stadia to be built will provide a legacy for both cities if any of the two do pursue an olympic/commonwealth bid and providing a multi purpose venue and a great legacy for football and future events..

Mo Rush
May 28th, 2006, 01:06 PM
http://www.durban.gov.za/eThekwini/Municipality/rfps_tenders/soccer/Proposed_Kings_Park_Sporting_Precinct.jpg

http://www.durban.gov.za/eThekwini/Municipality/rfps_tenders/soccer/Locality_Plan_Kings_Park.jpg

mauritius gunner
May 28th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I have to admit, I do like the Newlands stadium, it has character and looks like the stands are retro from the outside.

It kind of reminds me of Highbury

Shayan_m
May 28th, 2006, 04:04 PM
']I cant make it to Germany...
I wish I could go to the 2010 World cup but id rather watch it from my local pub than risk being shot.

Have a good WC though ;) Goodluck

Hehehe , no u can't . Greece isn't there ;)

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 28th, 2006, 04:38 PM
I know this is a stupid and simplistic question, and has probably been asked and answered already a few times, but it has never really sunk in with me properly: Who exactly is paying for everything going on at the 2010 WC?? Who's paying for all the new stadiums/upgrades, all the new facilities, new accomodation, press areas, electrics etc etc etc?? I heard somwhere that FIFA were giving a fair bit of money so that they could actually have a WC in SA....but that could be nonsense? And what are the plans for after the WC....whos going to manage and occupy each new stadium...what's gonna happen to all the facilities etc etc???

:cheers:

Giorgio
May 28th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Hehehe , no u can't . Greece isn't there ;)
Qualifications havnt started yet!!! :lol:
:weirdo:

Shayan_m
May 28th, 2006, 04:46 PM
']Qualifications havnt started yet!!! :lol:
:weirdo:

I was refering to germany :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

Giorgio
May 28th, 2006, 04:48 PM
I wasnt refering to Germany in my post.
I said 2010 WC.

Shayan_m
May 28th, 2006, 05:06 PM
']I wasnt refering to Germany in my post.
I said 2010 WC.

Oh yeh ?And what's this ?

] I cant make it to Germany...

Mo Rush
May 28th, 2006, 10:47 PM
I know this is a stupid and simplistic question, and has probably been asked and answered already a few times, but it has never really sunk in with me properly: Who exactly is paying for everything going on at the 2010 WC?? Who's paying for all the new stadiums/upgrades, all the new facilities, new accomodation, press areas, electrics etc etc etc?? I heard somwhere that FIFA were giving a fair bit of money so that they could actually have a WC in SA....but that could be nonsense? And what are the plans for after the WC....whos going to manage and occupy each new stadium...what's gonna happen to all the facilities etc etc???

:cheers:

Thw government of south africa is paying..along with the actual cities...a portion of course would be privately fund as per the norm....south africa is by no means a poor country....hahaha fifa giving money lol...

the cities will manage the stadia and the legacies are currently being drawn up by local and international experts...further more dysan and durbs boi would have to fill you in..

Giorgio
May 29th, 2006, 10:20 AM
Oh yeh ?And what's this ?
Sorry, I had forgotten what I had written.
My apologize.

Durbsboi
May 29th, 2006, 10:34 AM
Whats with all these adverts? Did the glazers buy SSC?
regarding the funding, Mo has outlined almost all the contributers, each province & the country will help fund these developments, as well as international investor's. Coke is going to the main soft drink sponser for 2010 & are already lining up a multi million dollar deal with the organisers, so plenty money coming for them. Who knows maybe when the designs for the new stadiums are out a major company could sponser it, like Allianz in munich.

Mo Rush
May 30th, 2006, 12:31 PM
World Cup 2010 scores its first goal
Anna Cox
May 30 2006 at 10:32AM

The 2010 South African World Cup is already a major commercial success, four years ahead of the event.

So said Danny Jordaan, chief executive of the Fifa World Cup 2010 Local Organising Committee, at a conference on the role of local government at 2010 in Ekurhuleni on Monday.

He said the funding target of $2-billion (about R13-billion) - the biggest in Fifa's 100-year history - had already been reached and major sponsors had already deposited their money into Fifa's bank account.

"This shows huge confidence in South Africa and dispels the fears that many critics had about the ability of an African country to raise the funds.

'The money is in the bank as we speak'
"The money is in the bank as we speak - they didn't wait until later on to see that we were achieving our targets. It is now up to us to make it an organisational success," he said.

The total budget for the event is R3,1-billion.

Jordaan said there had been much frustration at the fact that South Africa was forced to keep silent on its achievements so far because of the upcoming World Cup in Germany.

"It has been a question of 'no news is bad news'. But after July 10 we will be at liberty to disclose information," he said.

In the meantime, work is progressing on all fronts. Three new pieces of legislation have been passed.

These are: the 2010 Fifa World Cup Special Measures Act for local government, which addresses operational issues; the Special Measures Financial Act covering, among others, VAT, tax, customs and excise, and work permits; and the Ambush Marketing Act, to protect the official sponsors from having their advertising space hijacked.

Billions of people will watch the games on television.

Jordaan asked cities hosting the games to ensure that they established "fan parks".

"There will be a shortage of tickets for the games because there are a limited number of seats in the stadiums. It is going to be a huge challenge, but cities should set up facilities with big screens where people can watch matches."

He said cities could expect to have special decorations on their streets with Fifa branding, as well as concession stores.

He also warned that cities should ensure they had enough police and security staff to cater for both the games and local residents. This applied to public transport as well.

Additional buses should be brought in from neighbouring municipalities and countries as well, if necessary, as was done in Europe.

"We cannot run the games to the detriment of local ratepayers," he said.

The World Cup would bring many opportunities, especially in the hospitality industry, with 450 000 people having to be fed over 43 days.

The biggest challenge, however, would be finding a winning team.

"It is all very well to have state-of-the-art stadiums, but not a losing team. People come, after all, to see soccer.

"This is going to be a big challenge. Currently our top goalscorers are scoring 10 goals a year, while the likes of Pele scored 1 000. We have to address this as a matter of urgency," he added.

Another major benefit of the tournament would be the opportunity it provided to send messages to other African countries.

"Sport is a promoter for messages of democracy, TB, HIV and Aids, politics, education, human rights and human resource development, including skills training," said Jordaan.

"We need to stage a world-class event to show the world there is no difference between Africa and 'world class'.

"We have already achieved financial success ahead of time. Now it is up to us to deliver on an organisational level," he said.

Of the nine cities hosting the event, six attended the conference to talk about their state of preparedness for the event. The City of Johannesburg, eThekwini (Durban) and Cape Town failed to attend.

dysan1
May 30th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Thanx for posting the Durban stuff mo...

i will visit here more often after all the flapping and handbag fights that have been going on...but remind me to bring my popcorn and coke.

dysan1
May 30th, 2006, 11:30 PM
Durban on the ball with 2010 projects

29 May 2006

Inet Bridge -

The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport

By Edward West
The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport, according to the eThekwini municipality.

The municipality said on Friday the Kings Park soccer stadium would be demolished so work could start on a new R1,6bn stadium in November.

The head of the municipality's strategic projects unit, Julie-May Ellingson, said the new stadium would be funded primarily by central government and would seat about 70,000 spectators.

Plans to construct the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport - to be situated at La Mercy, 30km north of Durban - were proceeding well.

Dube Tradeport CE Rohan Persad said the R1,8bn development was on schedule to start operating in February 2010, ahead of the World Cup.

The tradeport and international airport would include an export-trade zone, perishables facility, cyberport and other commercial and retail opportunities.

Persad said the 32-month construction phase was expected to be completed in October 2009 and proposals were being sought from short-listed contractors.

An environmental impact assessment was under way, as were negotiations with the Airports Company SA (Acsa) about decommissioning the existing Durban airport and the equity role that Acsa would play at Dube Tradeport, Persad said.

Mo Rush
June 1st, 2006, 07:32 PM
2010 emblem unveiled in Berlin
01/06/2006 18:09 - (SA)

Durban - South Africa will officially unveil its World Cup 2010 emblem in Berlin on July 7.

Significantly this will be before the end of the World Cup in Germany and, as such, is a first in the history of the tournament.

This will be followed by a concert in the German capital on the same evening and later South Africa will also unveil their African Legacy Programme, a new venture in that for the first time a hosting World Cup country will attempt to make the event one of total continental involvement. The aim is make it a truly African affair.

This was announced on Thursday by Danny Jordaan, CEO of the SA World Cup committee, at a media briefing at the ICC in Durban following another in the series of Host Cities Forum meetings aimed at consolidating all resources as the 2010 World Cup Organisational programme takes shape.

The Forum meeting confirmed that at this stage there was full co-operation throughout South Africa with regard to the management and presentation of this major sporting event in which the financial implications already far exceed anything ever achieved at World Cup tournaments over the past 100 years.

Study the structures in place

The Durban Host Cities Forum was the last before a delegation of South Africans leave for Germany to study the structures in place for the 2006 event to give them a feel of what will be needed in South Africa over the next four years.

Danny Jordaan pointed out that agreements for 10 venues have been completed with nine Cities and these have been submitted to Fifa and subsequently confirmed by them.

He said that a most frequently asked question about South Africa's hosting of the prestigious event is whether it would be commercially viable.

He was able to reveal that South Africa has so far managed to complete 70% of the contracts including broadcasting rights, sponsorships and other forms of involvement. "That is because of the high level of confidence of the World Cup in South Africa," said Jordaan.

He stressed that the most important issue at the moment is the construction of the hosting stadiums

In June 2009 South Africa will host the Confederation Cup ahead of the 2010 World Cup.

"Everything is on track as we have more than the 10 stadiums at our disposal including five that will be built over the next couple of years in Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Durban, Nelspruit and Polokwane."

All the revenue has already been secured

As far as the operating budget for World Cup 2010 is concerned, Jordaan revealed that all the revenue has already been secured - approximately R3.2bn which is needed to deliver this event.

Mike Sutcliffe, Durban City manager, confirmed that the city, as a semi-final venue, was well on track to play its full role in the preparations along with the other participating cities and interested parties.

Danny Jordaan said: "Our research has shown that the World Cup in South Africa will generate the highest revenue ever for Fifa in the history of the tournament.

"It is essential, therefore, that we emphasise that this is an African World Cup in the making but that it will be world class. It is already a commercial success in that it has outperformed any previous World Cup tournament over the past century."

The clear message was that South Africa's World Cup 2010 success rating will depend on the total support of the whole nation to deliver a world class event.

In conclusion Jordaan said: "Africa has waited 100 years for this event. It is our responsibility to ensure that the continent does not have to wait another 100 years for a second bite of the cherry."

Jordaan leaves for Germany on Friday night.

dysan1
June 2nd, 2006, 03:48 PM
SUPRISE NEWS!!!

Durban's Stadium Plans Finished ahead of Time!!!

Cant get the whole article, blocked by Daily News online...but here's a snippet!


THE eagerly anticipated design of Durban's landmark R1.6 billion soccer stadium has been completed two months ahead of schedule and will be unveiled by KwaZulu-Natal Premier S'bu Ndebele in Pietermaritzburg on Tuesday.

Giorgio
June 2nd, 2006, 03:55 PM
R1.6 Billion sounds like alot but that means its about 200 million Euro correct?

Mo Rush
June 2nd, 2006, 05:11 PM
']R1.6 Billion sounds like alot but that means its about 200 million Euro correct?
construction costs in south africa are ridiculously low...building wembley stadium can get built here for half the price..literally..but dysan could tell you more specifics regarding construction costs..

Giorgio
June 2nd, 2006, 05:26 PM
construction costs in south africa are ridiculously low...building wembley stadium can get built here for half the price..literally..but dysan could tell you more specifics regarding construction costs..
Thats a real positive.
Will we ever get the whole article? Sounds interesting.

dysan1
June 3rd, 2006, 12:51 PM
i could always go and type it out...ok, i will...

City's Stadium Plans Finish Ahead of Time

THE eagerly anticipated design of Durban's landmark R1.6 billion soccer stadium has been completed two months ahead of schedule and will be unveiled by KwaZulu-Natal Premier S'bu Ndebele in Pietermaritzburg on Tuesday.

Sources close to Ndebele told the Daily News that he wanted KZN to be far ahead of the other provinces in terms of readiness for the Soccer World Cup in 2010.

The unveiling of the stadium design will soon be followed by the flattening of the existing Kings Park Soccer Stadium, to give space for the new world class, multi-purpose stadium which will be able to accomodate more than 70 000 spectators.

The city of Durban and the province were also given the thumbs up by the chairman of the local organising committee, Danny Jordaan, during the 2010 Host Cities Forum press conference at Durban's International Convention Centre yesterday.

Jordaan said he was confident that the province and the eThekwini municipality would excel in preparing for the tournament, adding that Durban's record in hosting international events was excellent.

He was addressing the media after the last meeting of the 2010 Host Cities Forum before the 2006 Soccer World Cup begins in Germany this month.

According to the initial plan, Durban's stadium, which may be known as the King Senzangakhona Stadium would go out to tender for construction by the end of September, but the pace at which planning is taking place makes it likely that this might happen long before that.

The city want to finish the stadium before the end of December 2008, and be ready for the Confederations Cup.

skaP187
June 3rd, 2006, 02:23 PM
I saw these photos where not even on this thread yet. Looking promissing.
The Durban stadium is wicked (allready!) Looking to be a very very nice world cup in 2010. Not all of these stadiums will be played in but what the hack! we like stadiums don't we. Here we go!
(source http://www.stadionwelt.de)

Johannesburg soccercity.
cap 94.700
(I think there is allready another design for this one. but well)

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8xp5.jpg

Second JHB stadium
cap. 60.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8xz6.jpg

Port Elisabeth
cap. 49.500

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8yes.jpg

Pretoria
cap 45.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8ynt.jpg

Nelspruit
cap. 40.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j90ec.jpg

Polokwane (whereever that may be?)
cap. 40.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j90si.jpg

Rustenburg (the only one with a f.... runningtrack)
cap. 40.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j91es.jpg

All stadiums up this page are listed for the 2010 WC according to stadionwelt.
What follows are some other stadiums in SA ready or to devellop. (Durban is a whicked stadium!) With that are some other stadiums which not do a WC wrong to my opinion

Durban
Cap. 52.000

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j93d3.jpg

and some photos of how it is now. Correct me if I am wrong Durbsboi

http://i6.tinypic.com/11j93ly.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j93qs.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j93xk.jpg
Crazy!!!haha, completely mad.
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j94ba.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j944n.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j94hw.jpg

Another nice one in
Pretoria
cap.40.000
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j94pk.jpg

Kaapstad/Capetown
cap. 40.000
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j956u.jpg

Kimberley
cap. 40.000
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j96jt.jpg

Orkney
cap. 40.000
http://i5.tinypic.com/11j96s2.jpg

Well that's all I have. Now it is waiting for the SA boys to put some more resent designs on the table. Let's see!
(If this was not goddamn on topic!)

Mo Rush
June 3rd, 2006, 02:53 PM
I saw these photos where not even on this thread yet. Looking promissing.
The Durban stadium is wicked (allready!) Looking to be a very very nice world cup in 2010. Not all of these stadiums will be played in but what the hack! we like stadiums don't we. Here we go!
(source http://www.stadionwelt.de)

Well that's all I have. Now it is waiting for the SA boys to put some more resent designs on the table. Let's see!
(If this was not goddamn on topic!)

Uhm for the 71st time these are not the designs for the new stadia..hence they were not posted.gosh

the only stadia from above that will be used are ellis park, loftus versfeld, soccer city before that final design,vodacom park,rustenburg and the peter mokaba stadium that will undergo major upgrades...the other designs are irrelevant and newlands and kings park stadia are not going to be used...i think this was made very clear.

also, kimberley and orkney are not world cup cities...stadionwelt.de have updated their list of stadia ages ago..i even emailed them about a month ago regarding the stadia...im confused as to which stadionwelt.de ure visiting

these are the listed stadia: so finally

Stadion Stadt Kapazität
Soccer City (existing) final design not complete Johannesburg 94.000

Ellis Park Stadium(existing upper tiers to be added) Johannesburg 70.000

King Senzangakhona Stadium(new design released this coming tuesday) Durban 70.000 -

African Rennaissance Stadium(new with retractable dome, design by end of july) Kapstadt 68.000 -

Port Elizabeth Stadium(new) final design shortly
Port Elizabeth 49.500
Loftus Versfeld(existing) Pretoria 45.000
Free State Stadium(existing) Bloemfontein 40.000
Mbombela Stadium(new) no final design yet Nelspruit 40.000
Peter Mokaba Stadium(existing but needs major upgrades) Polokwane 40.000
Royal Bafokeng Sports Palace(existing) Rustenburg 40.000 Fotos

Nicht für 2010 ausgewählte Stadien - thats german and probably means..stadia not taken or to be used as world cup stadia.!!

skaP187
June 3rd, 2006, 03:10 PM
Sorry, I know, I had a feeling, but I want to see some pics man!
Concerning www.stadionwelt.de I checked the info today, so...
I just thought this thread lacked some pics, just to get a taste.
Makes you think though how the FIFA elects a country, just on a blablablabla story... (nothing to do with SA, but to FIFA)
Well more patiance then I guess...
(give me some damned! :bash: )

Mo Rush
June 3rd, 2006, 04:25 PM
LOFTUS VERSFELD : 50,000

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/lfvp-01.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/lfvp-02.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/lfvp-04.jpg


http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Loftus.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Loftus2.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Loftus3.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Loftus4.jpg


http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8ynt.jpg

VODACOM PARK: 45,000
[the grand stand will be upgraded to the last pic]
http://www.gilesridley.com/newpics/blom-01.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/blom-02.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/free_state_stadium/100.jpg

ELLIS PARK : 60-70,000

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/epj-02.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/ejp-03.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/caf/RSA/Ellis_Park2.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/epj-05.jpg

http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/epj-01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/ellis_park_stadium/100.jpg
An extra tier will be added on each side behind the goal posts. [see the previous image]

skaP187
June 3rd, 2006, 04:55 PM
Now this is what I want to see! Now I can go of and have a nice weekend!
Great stadiums in SA. Def I like them. No runningtacks nothing! complements

dysan1
June 3rd, 2006, 06:26 PM
Yeh kings park is mighty steep on the east stand.

Regards the running tracks...am i right in saying that the new stadiums in Durban and Cape town will have tracks??

Durbsboi
June 3rd, 2006, 11:19 PM
unfortunatly yes dysan, hopefully we can make like a floating track like wembly ,so the views for the soccer wont be bad.

Mo Rush
June 4th, 2006, 12:29 AM
unfortunatly yes dysan, hopefully we can make like a floating track like wembly ,so the views for the soccer wont be bad.

u'll find out on tuesday..heehee

Its AlL gUUd
June 4th, 2006, 12:47 AM
the stadia are nice and all that but aesthetically they don't look great but hey still good stadia

Mo Rush
June 4th, 2006, 01:45 AM
the stadia are nice and all that but aesthetically they don't look great but hey still good stadia
yeah like many of the english stadia they wre built ages ago..and well they exist so why not use them...most of them hosted rugby world cup matches..and ellis park of course the 1995 world cup final..the five new stadia to be built will hopefully be more iconic or aesthetically pleasing...so hopefully a good mix of historical stadia in south africa and the new stadia of the future for south africa

Its AlL gUUd
June 4th, 2006, 02:04 AM
yeah like many of the english stadia they wre built ages ago..and well they exist so why not use them...most of them hosted rugby world cup matches..and ellis park of course the 1995 world cup final..the five new stadia to be built will hopefully be more iconic or aesthetically pleasing...so hopefully a good mix of historical stadia in south africa and the new stadia of the future for south africa

:okay:

clever how u managed to push England in there to make your argument :)

Mo Rush
June 4th, 2006, 02:50 AM
:okay:

clever how u managed to push England in there to make your argument :)
im not disputing the quality of the english stadia, with wembley, emirates stadium, the upgrade of old trafford and the new liverpool stadium england seems to be heading towards a sort of balance between amazing new stadia and older stadia...old not meaning crappy..lol

Giorgio
June 4th, 2006, 05:05 AM
yeah like many of the english stadia they wre built ages ago..and well they exist so why not use them...
Excuse the digress but Isnt this a problem you had with the Athens Olympic Stadium?

Personally, I dont have a problem with stadium recycling. Expecially since redeveloped stadia often look alot better than brand new ones (more money to spend on aesthetics I suppose).

Best looking so far is soccer city but who knows what proposals may be made soon to the others for redevelopments.

Its exciting!

:cheers:

dysan1
June 4th, 2006, 11:11 AM
you guys like the beer bowl soccer city thing...i was sure that it was a joke in the paper!

Giorgio
June 4th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Whats the beer bowl one?
I was refering to the one in J'Burg:
http://i6.tinypic.com/11j8xp5.jpg
Looks ace
:cheers:

Durbsboi
June 5th, 2006, 10:41 AM
yeh, they making that look like a beer bowl now, similar to the cladding Allianz has. I doubt it was a joke dys, cos that design does look a tad plane for the finals