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Does anyone have any information on this?

All I know is that the shareholders report says Ibrox will be expanded, presumably in the near term, to 80,000.

http://xs40.xs.to/pics/05315/3rdtiersmall.jpg

So from that pic the plan looks like its going to add an extra tear to three sides of the ground and join up the second tear on those sides. The main stand can't really be expanded anymore I'd guess with the road just infront of it plus of course they'd have to demolish the classic brick frontage.

No, from that pic it looks like someone's been pissing around with Photoshop :)

No, from that pic it looks like someone's been pissing around with Photoshop :)

Yeah, it looked like that to me too. But apparently Rangers have wanted an increase for years. Adding 30K would have to be expensive. Even Man U couldn't afford such a big expansion in one go.

No, from that pic it looks like someone's been pissing around with Photoshop :)

Does look rather dodgy(espeically the roof) but I'd guess thats how they would expand if they were aiming for 80k. Personally I'd say that a bit by bit expansion like Old Trafford might be more likely so they can tell if 80,000 would be cost effective.

Does look rather dodgy(espeically the roof) but I'd guess thats how they would expand if they were aiming for 80k.

Simply adding a single tier to any of the three "modern" stands is a lot more difficult than it sounds, simply due to the style of roof (it's supported by a "goalpost" rather than cantilevered from the back), so now they've expanded as much as they can they're going to have to remove the whole of the goalpost structure from any stand they expand, so can pretty much start from scratch.

I would imagine a future Ibrox would leave the historic South Stand pretty much as it is, but with a continuous three-tier structure going round the rest of the pitch a la Twickenham, Nou Camp etc...

My Gers mate says Ibrox rarely sells out except for the big games. Why would they expand? And for another matter, where on Earth would the money come from? Murray may've written off most of the debt, but Rangers are still skint.

My Gers mate says Ibrox rarely sells out except for the big games. Why would they expand? And for another matter, where on Earth would the money come from? Murray may've written off most of the debt, but Rangers are still skint.

Rangers average attendance for last season was 48,000 with a 50,000 capacity so it does near sell out most of the time. I'd expect they could sell alot more than 50,000 for the two home old firm games, important league games late in the season and champions league games.

If both Rangers and Celtic did expand I wonder where that would leave Hampden Park? If you've got two stadia with 20,000 more seats than the national stadium does it make sense to play games there anymore?

Does anyone have any information on this?

All I know is that the shareholders report says Ibrox will be expanded, presumably in the near term, to 80,000.

http://xs40.xs.to/pics/05315/3rdtiersmall.jpg

http://footballgroundguide.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8214

RFC51

It would look something like this
http://xs40.xs.to/pics/05315/3rdtiersmall.jpg

That pic was made up by RFC51 on his photo shop that is not the real Artist impression sorry to say so.

Rangers averaged 48.676 last year, so taking into account segregation and away fans not selling their tickets, it's sold out for 95% of games.

The expansion will involve digging the pitch down, moving the pitch closer to the main stand and adding just over 2500 seats for a capacity of 53000.

The boxes in the Govan stand will also be replaced with a giant lounge which will include a huge bar, payable by smartcard so that fans don't drink too much. (the smartcard limits the number of drinks).

Along with other upgrades, it will cost about 10 million. Work starts next summer.

In my humble opinion Ibrox is one of the best stadia in Europe. A perfect mix of old and new. To make any further alterations would completely change the feel of the stadium and destroy its unique character.

Does anyone agree with me?

In my humble opinion Ibrox is one of the best stadia in Europe. A perfect mix of old and new. To make any further alterations would completely change the feel of the stadium and destroy its unique character.

Does anyone agree with me?


No...because that same old excuse gets used every time somebody wants to improve something in the UK....

Nothing wrong with respecting the past, but too often in this country Nimby's want to live in it.

I agree that the main stand should not be changed. It is easily the best stand in Britain and a beautiful piece of architecture. The other 3 stands balance well with the main stand, but I still think these 3 stands could be replaced over time for a capacity of about 62000 and still have the stadium looking balanced.

In my humble opinion Ibrox is one of the best stadia in Europe. A perfect mix of old and new. To make any further alterations would completely change the feel of the stadium and destroy its unique character.

Does anyone agree with me?

No it wouldn't. Good changes are to be commended. You shouldn't dismiss every possible change without knowing the details.

In my humble opinion Ibrox is one of the best stadia in Europe. A perfect mix of old and new. To make any further alterations would completely change the feel of the stadium and destroy its unique character.

Does anyone agree with me?

I don't, no. There are many improvements that can be made (though the South Stand should be left alone IMO).

The south stand is currently a little taller than the other three so I doubt a redevolpment of them would leave the ground looking unbalanced.

http://www.fisher.worldonline.co.uk/Stadium%20Pictures/Ibrox%20Stadium%20New%20Picture.jpg

Simple as all Rangers need to do is get rid of the screens fill the corners add a small or big third teir then have a stronger roof so it hold the screens there.

Simple as all Rangers need to do is get rid of the screens fill the corners add a small or big third teir then have a stronger roof so it hold the screens there.

It's not that "simple" to fill the corners because of the "goalpost" construction of the stands - the six vertical columns which flank each of the three modern stands are helping to keep them up...

It's not that "simple" to fill the corners because of the "goalpost" construction of the stands - the six vertical columns which flank each of the three modern stands are helping to keep them up...

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the "goalposts" actually only holding up the roof rather than the main structure of the stands? Certainly, the function of the "goalpost" structure of both the Park Lane and Paxton Road ends at White Hart Lane is for nothing more than to support the roofs.

If Ibrox is the same and if the intention is to add a third tier to the three more modern stands, then the goalpost structure will be demolished anyway to allow the building of a new roof - meaning that it is perfectly possible that the corners will be filled in.

Rangers average attendance for last season was 48,000 with a 50,000 capacity so it does near sell out most of the time. I'd expect they could sell alot more than 50,000 for the two home old firm games, important league games late in the season and champions league games.

If both Rangers and Celtic did expand I wonder where that would leave Hampden Park? If you've got two stadia with 20,000 more seats than the national stadium does it make sense to play games there anymore?

So would this expansion just be for the old firm games? It does seem very strange that Rangers would consider an expansion on this scale. You could understand 5000, but an expansion of 30,000 seems ridiculous to me, particularly with the current financial state at Ibrox. To think that an 80,000 capacity stadium would be filled for a game at home to Motherwell or the other minnows of Scottish football is pretty laughable.

So would this expansion just be for the old firm games? It does seem very strange that Rangers would consider an expansion on this scale. You could understand 5000, but an expansion of 30,000 seems ridiculous to me, particularly with the current financial state at Ibrox. To think that an 80,000 capacity stadium would be filled for a game at home to Motherwell or the other minnows of Scottish football is pretty laughable.

Hard to say how many tickets they'd sell verus the minnows, I wouldnt have guessed they pull in near sellouts for most non old firm games at the moment but they do. That 80,000 would sellout often does seem unlikely however without details of the cost of an extension its impossible to know whether it would need to or not. The other possibility I suppose is that their still interested in joining the prem somehow with Celtic with I'd guess would do massive business for them both.

Rangers averaged 48.676 last year, so taking into account segregation and away fans not selling their tickets, it's sold out for 95% of games.

The expansion will involve digging the pitch down, moving the pitch closer to the main stand and adding just over 2500 seats for a capacity of 53000.

The boxes in the Govan stand will also be replaced with a giant lounge which will include a huge bar, payable by smartcard so that fans don't drink too much. (the smartcard limits the number of drinks).

Along with other upgrades, it will cost about 10 million. Work starts next summer.


Did nobody see my post???

The above is exactly what is happening. My father has seen the plans as he works for a construction firm. Third tiers will never be added to the 3 stands as they are goalpost structures and it would cost more to add a third tier and new roof than it would to knock down the stands and start again. The same goes for the corners. Those screens are there for a reason, and that is to hide the massive columns that hold the roof up. Take the columns away for seats at the corners, and the roof would collapse.


The extension if for a 53000 capacity, 80000 is made up nonsense.

Did nobody see my post???

The above is exactly what is happening. My father has seen the plans as he works for a construction firm. Third tiers will never be added to the 3 stands as they are goalpost structures and it would cost more to add a third tier and new roof than it would to knock down the stands and start again. The same goes for the corners. Those screens are there for a reason, and that is to hide the massive columns that hold the roof up. Take the columns away for seats at the corners, and the roof would collapse.


The extension if for a 53000 capacity, 80000 is made up nonsense.

80,000 does seem a bit unlikely. But isn't digging the pitch up a lot of effort for an extra 3,000 seats?

3000 seat paying 30 quid a game forty odd games a season gives a grand total of 3.6 Million, seams like a pretty good investment to me!

3000 seat paying 30 quid a game forty odd games a season gives a grand total of 3.6 Million, seams like a pretty good investment to me!

In the SPL, a team will play a maximum of 19 home games and a match ticket is no more than £25 for these games. So around £1.4 million extra revenue domestically. Obviously if Rangers go on a run in Europe then a few more sell-outs would happen and the club will charge maybe £30-£35 a ticket and get some extra income.

I think a relatively small expansion of a few thousand, as you suggest, is a good idea.

80,000 is pure fantasy BTW. No demand in Scotland and practically impossible given the way Ibrox has been constructed.

BTW, where will the extra 3000 seats be built. Any artists impressions.

Cheers

I suppose by adding in extra seats you free up more space to put in what really makes the money on Match-Day: the executive boxes and facilities that surround them.

Good to see Ibrox is expanding - a fine stadium like that deserves a higher capacity than it has at present.

>Quite incredible really: Glasgow will have 3 stadiums with capacities over 50,000 - Celtic Park (60,832), Ibrox (53,000) and Hampden Park (52,000). (Not forgetting Fir Hill, Partick Thistle's ground at 12,000 of course :lol: )

Fairly impressive, no?

TO add to the much rumoured expansion plans for Ibrox (which seem to appear in every other thread in here), the early editions of the Daily Record (albeit a Scottish tabloid) have reported that an extra 700 seats are to be added at the end of the current season.

They are to be installed at the between the Govan Front and Rear sections, increasing the overhang of the top tier (Govan Rear). They are to be premium season ticket seats costing £900 per annum, which includes access to a new hospitality area serving alcohol - Bar 72 or some such like.

My initial response is a positive one. Improved aesthetics, great view, increased turnover for the club. And hopefully more to come.

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Now, there will be additions to this story in the coming days, weeks and months, so i thought I'd start a thread on it. Please note this thread is for talk about the current state and future expansion of this stadium - it is NOT for general football discussion and arguement regarding the potential success of Rangers and/or Celtic in the English Premier League.

I think that guy Bubomb must know poeple at Rangers -

March 22nd -

The plan seems to have changed!! In the summer the executive boxes will be removed from the Govan stand and replaced with rows of seats. The area behind the front of the ex-boxes will be turned into a massive bar style thing. The next summer the pitch will be lowered and and moved slightly towards the Govan Stand, thus allowing 3 of the 4 stands to have extra rows put in. The Govan Stand would not have extra rows put in, and instead would have the first row of seats above pitch level. The reason they can't lower the pitch and add seats to all 4 stands is because the view from the back of the main stand would not allow you to see all of the pitch. If lowered, the pitch has to moved towards the Govan stand. Final capacity should be 54000, although I think it will be more like 53000.


Govan Stand -

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/Ibrox_a_06.jpg

What it will be like -

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7708/ibrox1nt.jpg


With Paul Le Guen as manager and lot's of big name Frenchies on they way, Ibrox is simply too small for Rangers. About 60000 would be a sensible size for both clubs (and is the size of the present Bru Camp)

although he got the area of the new seats wrong.

Actually 'that bubomb guy' (you) got that information from the Rangers website - you provided me with a link to it in another thread - remember?

BUT it is slightly different to what it said on the site (and in your post above) - it is not the exec boxes that are getting removed (just like I said in the other thread!) - but ia further three rows of seating are being added to the front of the top tier. The boxes are staying as they are (for now anyway).

EDIT: you edited that post didnt you!

This is how I think the plans will look-

Before -

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9932/trhthr9tt.jpg

After -

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3056/trhthr26de.jpg

Actually 'that bubomb guy' (you) got that information from the Rangers website - you provided me with a link to it in another thread - remember?

No, as i'm not Bubomb!! What link did he give?

No, as i'm not Bubomb!! What link did he give?

In "his" post right after the one you quoted above, on March 23rd -



I'm basing it on Rangers saying it is going to happen -

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/...~744556,00.html

In "his" post right after the one you quoted above, on March 23rd -

Oh yeah, I guess he doesn't know somebody!

God, you could really tell this is the Old Firm

So where is bubomb then?

So where is bubomb then?

More to the point, where is 'The_Hoops'? I see a 'BANNED' sign by the avatar.

Also, Socrates: 'Nous sommes les gens'? My French is a little patchy but that sounds a little similar to 'We are the People' (and doesn't that work on two levels, BTW?) for my liking. Common denominator: Glasgow.

I realise that this theory would entail a discussion between the same person where 'one' queries and the 'other' denies multiple posting ID's.

It's like the plot of a dodgy crime novel!

It's a classic case of mediocre intelligence - Bum-bomb posts under the alias of The_Hoops - suggesting he is of course a Celtic supporter, and then continues to shag Rangers and Ibrox up the arse.

Not very clever.


I don't reckon Socrates is Bu-bonic-plague-bomb though, as he is far too level headed and reasonable.

More to the point, where is 'The_Hoops'? I see a 'BANNED' sign by the avatar.

Also, Socrates: 'Nous sommes les gens'? My French is a little patchy but that sounds a little similar to 'We are the People' (and doesn't that work on two levels, BTW?) for my liking. Common denominator: Glasgow.

I realise that this theory would entail a discussion between the same person where 'one' queries and the 'other' denies multiple posting ID's.

It's like the plot of a dodgy crime novel!

http://i2.tinypic.com/smun36.jpg

Ah, Bubomb is back










again

Ah, Bubomb is back


again

oh well! if he is let him come back! he did have (or is that does?) a sense of humour. Though I felt his celtic alter ego - the hoops - wasn't quite as funny, the humour was even more obtuse than before, Bubomb wasn't as offensive as hoops though he was more argumentative. I'm sure people will disagree though.

Its quite funny that new members especially of whiskey drinking persuasions are getting frisked on every post for 'signs'

I'm not new, I've been here for nearly 6months.
Bubomb will be back, of this I have no doubt, and I look forward to it, but until then would you please limit the chat in this thread to the topic.

Ha, been here nearly 6 months.

But havn't posted in 6 months aswell. But now you show up after The_Hoops (bubomb) is banned.


You denied and denied you was Bubomb, but we got you again.

...and we will do it... again.

I only recently found this section of the fourm. My posts in the preceding 6 months have been limited to the Glasgow Metro Area section.
This is the last time that I will respond to comments in this thread that are not related to the subject.

The increase in capacity really is f*** all 700 seats and we've got a thread about that?
I might have well started a thread about Tottenham turning the boxes in the East Stand into excutive boxes.

There is alot of talk of this beauty but no thread, so I decided to make one.
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/rangers30.jpg
Personally, I love it! If you have any good pics, please post them!
eddyk held me to ransom and I was forced to make this thread help me please!! if you see this message please post in this thread about it!

Can't remember ever seeing pics of the outside of the other 3 stands.

The Main stand I see all the time.

stadium looks Ok (seating area), nothing mind blowing, looks pretty standard, im sure the restaurants and everything are fab though,

As other people have said, the three goalpost stands are pretty average.

50.549

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/aussen_01.jpg

more pics
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=stadionguides&land=schottland&stadion=ibrox_stadium&bereich=stadionfotos

stadium looks Ok (seating area), nothing mind blowing, looks pretty standard, im sure the restaurants and everything are fab though,

I'd have to agree with you, just standard boxes with seats in them, nothing spectacular at all. And yeah, I think Bumbomb and his aliases have shown the pictures of the wood and carpet etc inside which is classy, so all in all, not that bad, but not the best

It's an ok stadium but nothing to write home about. Apparently some Scottish members have never been south of Hadrian's wall, or else they'd know that there are plenty of venues all over Europe that are much better than Ibrox.

Ok so the Leitch stand has a very fine interior, the exterior is nothing extrordinary, rather like Wembley's twin towers, its of little architectural merit.

The other 2 stands abuse the word 'mediocre'

and this one:

http://www.op.co.kr/i/imgd/200305/16/23/19368184363ec467dc30e8a.jpg

is simply a crime against humanity!

The three box stands are nothing to go on about, very 70's. Therefore the stadium doesn't rate that highly with me. Just ok. 800 extra seats, how exciting, hold on while I get the kleenex. :runaway:

Somehow, I dont think this thread will end well.

Now, if this idiot can control himself for 5 minutes we can discuss the topic.
Here are some mock-ups of how the stadium could be developed.

Remaining corners filled in:

http://i3.tinypic.com/xo476u.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/xo48qe.jpg

Archibald Lietch Main Stand replaced with copy of opposite stand and corners filled with screens

http://i1.tinypic.com/xo48wy.jpg

I must stress that these are not all my own work.
Now, who wants to see 3 tiered mock ups?

First pick looks like Murrayfield's older stands.........nice.

Show me the three tiered mock ups then please. Should look impressive.

The three tiered stands would make it an incredible stadium, though as you say whether this is physically and financially possible is another thing. I guess with these improvements inplace the capacity would be around the 80,000 mark.

btw, what's with the name 'IBROX'? does it stand for something? corporate name?

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district of glasgow IIRC

Its a nice compact stadium, perfect for football, & since its almost closed on all ends, I'm sure the atmosphere is great. Its not the grandest stadium in the world but then again you dont need beauty to produce an exellent atmosphere.

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U forgot Captain Flaps

Bubomb currently has 2 accounts on the go at the moment.

Wierdo.

Off topic - grow up!! Talk about stadiums or get tae fuck!! Anymore of your cheek and your claimed baldy!!

:weirdo:

An imposter perhaps, intent on tarninshing Bubomb's name and reputation?

can anyone tarnish Bubomb's name and rep any further? i am sure anyone else would help it if anything

Ibrox will remain fully open for Rangers UEFA Cup ties next season.

Rangers have been fined after being found guilty by UEFA of "misconduct by their fans in relation to sectarian and discriminatory behaviour".

It had been suggested that they may have to close a stand at Ibrox or play behind closed doors for their UEFA Cup games next season. Therefore they will be relieved that UEFA have been relatively lenient in this case. However there is no escaping the symbolism of what this represents - Rangers fans have a serious sectarianism problem and the governing bodies are aware of this and prepared to act. Hopefully this will act as a warning to Rangers fans that they can't get away with their sectarian behaviour forever.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/Keytopics/kind=512/newsId=424237.html

http://www.fisher.worldonline.co.uk/Stadium%20Pictures/Aerial%20View%20Of%20Ibrox.jpg

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

http://www.glasgowguide.org/ez/ibrox/1ibrox_rangers1-01-02.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/SCO/Ibrox_Park.html

http://www.fisher.worldonline.co.uk/Stadium%20Pictures/Aerial%20View%20Of%20Ibrox.jpg

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

http://www.glasgowguide.org/ez/ibrox/1ibrox_rangers1-01-02.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/SCO/Ibrox_Park.html

Ibrox will remain fully open for Rangers UEFA Cup ties next season.

Rangers have been fined after being found guilty by UEFA of "misconduct by their fans in relation to sectarian and discriminatory behaviour".

It had been suggested that they may have to close a stand at Ibrox or play behind closed doors for their UEFA Cup games next season. Therefore they will be relieved that UEFA have been relatively lenient in this case. However there is no escaping the symbolism of what this represents - Rangers fans have a serious sectarianism problem and the governing bodies are aware of this and prepared to act. Hopefully this will act as a warning to Rangers fans that they can't get away with their sectarian behaviour forever.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/Keytopics/kind=512/newsId=424237.html

You've written that as if you're quoting form the UEFA site. The UEFA site actually says
UEFA's Appeals Body has today partially upheld the appeal made against the Control and Disciplinary Body's decision concerning Scottish club Rangers FC and their UEFA Champions League first knockout round tie against Villarreal CF.

Rangers fined
UEFA appealed against the decision on 12 April by the Control and Disciplinary Body to find Rangers not guilty of alleged discriminatory chants by the club's supporters at both legs of the tie, on 22 February at Ibrox and 7 March at El Madrigal. Rangers have been fined €19,500 and severely warned about their responsibility for any future misconduct by their fans in relation to sectarian and discriminatory behaviour.


Now come on Timothy, you and I both know Rangers were initially found not guilty. However some cretin within Uefa appealed Uefa's own decision, and now they've upheld the appeal. Are we surprised? Should we be? Of course not. But this is not related to Ibrox stadium, despite your needless and unfounded commentry regarding the closure of a stand.

You shouldn't be so smug, because if Uefa are going to fine us for some sectarian singing, they should nail you to the wall for your signing songs in support of terrorist organisations. (Glorifying terrorism is a crime btw.)

So be quite and get back to stealing washing off people's lines.

1. I bet the idiots who were convinced Socrates was bubomb feel a little silly now eh?

2. Pics from the work on the new Bar72 seats at ibrox:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/blueorder/Photo074.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/blueorder/Photo073.jpg

well they are not very good pics though

here are some better pictures

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2637/bar72construction22me9hy.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6963/bar72construction19ko2om.jpg

look at all those seats, wonder why they took them off, it looks like it could have overhung a little more? I hope they do the same to the stands behind the goals.

They took the seats off to make it easier for the scaffolding to go up. As far as I know there are no plans for the goal end stands to have extensions.

Apart from anything else those stands currently have electronic scoreboards and they would need to be removed.

Are the "goalposts" just supporting the roofs or the stands themselves? If just the former, surely the cleverest way of expanding Ibrox without any temporary loss of capacity would be to:

Remove the roofs

Remove the goalposts and replace them with wider ones which reached all the way to the backs of the adjacent stands, intersecting like a noughts-and-crosses grid.

Put a couple of tiers in the now-vacant corners (hoping they don't end up like the dog's dinner that is Old Trafford).

Fit new roofs.

I would love to see some sort of cladding on the front of the new stand similar to that on the Main Stand, instead of the usual crappy advertising boards.

Good pics though, more of the same please.

Are the "goalposts" just supporting the roofs or the stands themselves? If just the former, surely the cleverest way of expanding Ibrox without any temporary loss of capacity would be to:

Remove the roofs

Remove the goalposts and replace them with wider ones which reached all the way to the backs of the adjacent stands, intersecting like a noughts-and-crosses grid.

Put a couple of tiers in the now-vacant corners (hoping they don't end up like the dog's dinner that is Old Trafford).

Fit new roofs.

I dont know for certain so this is a guess. The sides of the Copland and Broomloan ( the stands behind the goals ) are load bearing structures so its a lot more complex - read expensive - than just fitting a new roof.

And yeh Old Trafford just looks like they changed their minds every 10 minutes on where the roof should be.

cool

New stadium lay out:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4908/v6lzk6td5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New Govan seats:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9096/newgovanmh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1126/72closeupwd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


New extended press gantry on Main Stand:

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1297/mainwithnewgantryih3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/44/newpressgantrylt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Pictures taken today, on the day we pumped last years UEFA Cup finalists Middlesborough!

New stadium lay out:

*Looks exactly the same as last year*

Taken today, on the day we pumped last years UEFA Cup finalists Middlesborough!
Pumped?! You call a 1-0 victory over Premiership also-rans a "pumping"?


How did you enjoy your game in Bolton by the way?

You didn't? Why ever not?

Hah, shame that even the English won't let you and your merry band of thugs down to Bolton. Will you still be waving those lovely English flags of yours now that they didn't let you come down for a little kick about?

Good luck this season, mate. :)

Absolutely stunning stadium. The new capacity is 51444 with a massive new Bar complex called 'Bar 72', and it is a UEFA 5 star stadium!!! Simply stunning. I love the way the new press gantry has the same Leitch design on it!

I heard about the Bolton thing...it turns out Bolton fans and Rangers fans were furious (especially after 15000+ Rangers fans went to Derby a few months ago for a friendly with no trouble at all) and 3 British MP's questioned the actions of the police. The police then said the reason it was cancelled was that they were expecting 12000 Rangers fans and the Reebok simply can't cope with that number of away fan coaches!!!


"Chief Superintendent Dave Lea, divisional commander for Bolton, said: "The agreed ticket allocation for Glasgow Rangers was 5,000. However, the club subsequently provided information that Bolton Wanderers should expect 12,000 fans to turn up for this event.

"A review of intelligence surrounding the event indicated that these numbers may be further swelled by holidaymakers from the Glasgow region attending Bolton on the day from Blackpool.

"Information provided by Glasgow Rangers indicated that in excess of 120 coach parties would be attending, which were not capable of being received at the Reebok stadium. A normal full Premiership fixture would attract no more than 17 coaches.

"Given the uncertainty around accurate numbers of supporters attending, and the probability of many thousands of fans without tickets descending upon Bolton, it was not possible to further plan for this event within the margins of public safety that we normally employ."


I would rather have British Rangers fans in my city that child murdering Irish terrorist supporters in my city!!

[lies and cover ups]blah blah blah [/lies and cover ups] Silly boy. Trolling again. Someone should have a word to the mods about you!

Anyway, yes, we pumped last years UEFA Cup finalists. Glad you finally realised being UEFA Cup runners up isn't such a great achievement after all! Took you long enough! Now just a matter of time until the other billion people that claim to have been there to follow suit...

As for your Bolton nonsense, don't jump on the bandwagon. Greater Manchester Police did not have sufficient staff numbers to make the game viable, so it got cancelled, regardless of the tripe published by the Daily Record. 30,000 Derby fans will testify to the good behaviour of the super Rangers fans when we went down in April, but we don't embarrass ourselves by claiming to be the greatest fans in the world, we leave that to you sorry bomb throwers.

As for this season, we don't need luck. As far as I'm concerned the league (at the very least) is in the bag.

American New England Revolution fans ponder with the rest of us...

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American New England Revolution fans ponder with the rest of us...

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I thought celtic were an Irish team, as every time I see them there is loads of Ireland flags!!! Are they from Scotland?

I wonder the same thing, arnt celtic an Irish club?

btw i cant believe this thread even exists for a couple of hundred seats added.
but i can see bubomb and socrates are happy about it.

I thought celtic were an Irish team, as every time I see them there is loads of Ireland flags!!! Are they from Scotland?
Founded by two Irish priests as a charity to help the poor in and around the East End of Glasgow. Of course you already know that, though.

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Love the excuses, Seth.

And what else do you plan on winning, btw?

Founded by Irish priests to stop poor catholic children mixing with poor Protestant children at Glasgow soup kitchens which were open to all religions. Same reasons why catholic schools were formed in glasgow. Founded by bigots, raised by bigots, die as bigots.

Even if you were founded by kind hearted (my arse) Irish priests, there should be one Ireland flag for every 50 Scotland flags...not the other way around. You may have Irish roots, but your identity is Scottish (or it should be!!). Identity comes before roots!! My great great great grandparents were Norwegian, but I don't go around with a Norway flag!!! Your club and it's fans have been in Scotland for hundreds of years yet you still class yourselves as Irish - you have failed to integrate!!


Billy McNeil, captain of the Lisbon Lions - "celtic are an Irish club playing in Glasgow"

On your bike paddy, you're not welcome!

ibrox looks like ewood park - basically four double-tiered sheds welded together unconvincingly around a football pitch.

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/Ewood_Park_A.jpg

http://home.skysports.com/images/stadia/5.jpg

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/88/36/0,,5~210568,00.jpg

ibrox looks like ewood park - basically four double-tiered sheds welded together unconvincingly around a football pitch.

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/Ewood_Park_A.jpg

http://home.skysports.com/images/stadia/5.jpg

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/88/36/0,,5~210568,00.jpg
:lol:

Spot on, bud :)

ibrox looks like ewood park - basically four double-tiered sheds welded together unconvincingly around a football pitch.

Yes, that's right :weirdo: Keep taking the pills!

p.s - The 80 year old Ibrox main stand has 3 tiers, and one of the stands at Ewood has one tier....you thick cunt!!

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3259/ibrox57gn6.jpg http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/sport/brfc/images/ewood203.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3953/ibrox32lg3.jpg http://photo.czweb.org/roversarsenal/roversarsenalm09.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9096/newgovanmh3.jpg http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/england/ewood_park/120.jpg

IDENTICAL!!!

Even if you were founded by kind hearted (my arse) Irish priests, there should be one Ireland flag for every 50 Scotland flags...not the other way around. You may have Irish roots, but your identity is Scottish (or it should be!!). Identity comes before roots!! My great great great grandparents were Norwegian, but I don't go around with a Norway flag!!! Your club and it's fans have been in Scotland for hundreds of years yet you still class yourselves as Irish - you have failed to integrate!!


very rarely that i agree with u, i cant believe it but i do

Yes, that's right :weirdo: Keep taking the pills!

p.s - The 80 year old Ibrox main stand has 3 tiers, and one of the stands at Ewood has one tier....you thick cunt!!

one stand difference, i'll give you that. apart from that ibrox, ewood park, villa park, etc - all the same, in that they look outdated and rubbish.

one stand difference, i'll give you that. apart from that ibrox, ewood park, villa park, etc - all the same, in that they look outdated and rubbish.


Yes very good mate - Ibrox is UEFA 5 star stadium and holds 51444, Ewood Park holds 31367!

Yes, very good pal, spot on!!

Yes very good mate - Ibrox is UEFA 5 star stadium and holds 51444, Ewood Park holds 31367!

Yes, very good pal, spot on!!

old trafford's a uefa five star stadium and holds 75,000 - doens't make that architecturally anything special, just like ibrox isn't anything architecturally special on the basis of its rating or capacity.

stand by it - ibrox, ewood park, villa park: all essentially comprised of three or four double-tiered sheds welded together unconvincingly around a football pitch.

Stand by whatever you want - it won't change the fact that you have shit for brains!


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tbh ibrox does kinda look similar to Eewood Park

tbh ibrox does kinda look similar to Eewood Park


The new Wembley also kind of looks like the Reebok.....they are bowls that go round a pitch!!


but they are also miles apart in terms of scale, quality of interiors, facilities, grandness etc!

The new Wembley also kind of looks like the Reebok.....they are bowls that go round a pitch!!


but they are also miles apart in terms of scale, quality of interiors, facilities, grandness etc!

:scouserd:

Ibrox looks nothing like Ewood Park. Anyone who says otherwise is either taking the michael or in need of a visit to specsavers.

The only similarity is that they are both football stadiums. After that the similarities end.

Do Rangers have any plans to build extra tiers on the three non main stand sides of the ground?

I'm guessing not as doing so would probably require a new roof structure that would prove to be cost prohibitive.

It would be interesting to see an Ibrox with the corners filled in. Hopefully they could do a better job than at Old Trafford.

Do Rangers have any plans to build extra tiers on the three non main stand sides of the ground?

I'm guessing not as doing so would probably require a new roof structure that would prove to be cost prohibitive.

It would be interesting to see an Ibrox with the corners filled in. Hopefully they could do a better job than at Old Trafford.

Correct, they are goalpost structures, not cantilevers, and so it would be better just to knock them down and build new stands.

By lowering the pitch a little and adding 2 rows, and extending the top tier of the 2 stands behind the goals like they just done with the Govan stand, Ibrox could end up at about 54500. After that major reconstruction would be needed to get the capacity higher.

I maintain that a 3rd tier could be added to the Govan stand in a similar way that the main stand of the Bernebeu was redeveloped. Take the roof off, plump another stand on top of the Argyle House and replace the same roof, but it would leave leaving the front of the first tier exposed to the elements unless a further roof extension was added to cover the back leaving the original roof in the same position only higher.

This however would leave the stadium looking very unbalanced, not as bad as Old Trafford, but uneven nonetheless.

Unbelievably the scottish ground guide website and wikipedia say the club has proposed this but I don't remember this ever happening though.

Damn, that's really impressive. I like those 1970s IKEA chairs, they add a certain charm to an otherwise dull stadium.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/44/newpressgantrylt8.jpg

Those plastic seats are temporary, as the press gantry is not completely finished. That wee bit is just for newspaper reporters...it is not the main media section. It does however free up 100 high quality seats for supporters in the grandest football stand in the world. It's the fans that count...not the media!! The media can sit on spikes for all I care!

On your bike kraut or i'll flatten Hamburg again!

I wouldn't even give the lying beggars any seats to sit on. No newspaper reporters would be given admittance if I was in charge, meaning only a tiny gantry with space for a TV camera was needed, located at the front of the top tier (Club Deck). Incidently I would remove the gantry in that pic altogether, exposing the gorgeous criss cross lattice which could add a touch of class to any dull stadium, never mind a 5star belter.

I wouldn't even give the lying beggars any seats to sit on. No newspaper reporters would be given admittance if I was in charge, meaning only a tiny gantry with space for a TV camera was needed, located at the front of the top tier (Club Deck). Incidently I would remove the gantry in that pic altogether, exposing the gorgeous criss cross lattice which could add a touch of class to any dull stadium, never mind a 5star belter.

I don't see anything gorgeous about the lattice, it just looks fussy, it would look better with a cover on it, and yes it is certainly a dull stadium

i hope they are able to maintain the facade...

I don't see anything gorgeous about the lattice, it just looks fussy, it would look better with a cover on it, and yes it is certainly a dull stadium
You're a simple creature.

You're a simple creature.

you're just a creature

Heres another look at the new Govan extension

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/ultras67/Assorted/5fd4373d.jpg

I maintain that a 3rd tier could be added to the Govan stand in a similar way that the main stand of the Bernebeu was redeveloped. Take the roof off, plump another stand on top of the Argyle House and replace the same roof, but it would leave leaving the front of the first tier exposed to the elements unless a further roof extension was added to cover the back leaving the original roof in the same position only higher.

This however would leave the stadium looking very unbalanced, not as bad as Old Trafford, but uneven nonetheless.

Unbelievably the scottish ground guide website and wikipedia say the club has proposed this but I don't remember this ever happening though.

This is my problem with this idea - Most grounds that are the size of Ibrox (40,000 - 50,000ish) and not brand-new rebuilds are a complete mess. Ibrox isn't. Even though the main stand is larger than the others, the place has an excellent balance and keeps shape. Compare the inside of Ibrox to, say, Anfield or Stamford Bridge, and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/north_west/liverpool_anfield2.jpg
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Adding another tier to the Govan Stand would increase the capacity at Ibrox, but do the same sorta thing to it, and it would be a pity. Not many older stadia that are still in use have that sorta balance. The only way I can really see for a decent expansion of Ibrox is to build smaller theird tiers on all the Govan Stand and the two end stand so that their absolute height is about the same as the mainstand. With that achieved, it may also be possible to change the pitch of the roof of the main stand, to keep the overall balance of the stadium, which would then allow a small level of current expansion by digging down the pitch and have new seats on all four sides, instead of just three, as is the current plan. But that's assuming changing the pitch of the mainstand's roof is possible, let alone practical.

They took the seats off to make it easier for the scaffolding to go up. As far as I know there are no plans for the goal end stands to have extensions.

Apart from anything else those stands currently have electronic scoreboards and they would need to be removed.

It would be a pity to remove these scoreboards...

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/Ibrox_b_06.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/schottland/ibrox_stadium/images/Ibrox_b_04.jpg

They look really old and should be replaced anyway. Are there any news of further expansion and lowering the pitch?
And how about Rangers and Celtic playing in the FA Premier League? I heard about plans that where rejected not too long ago. Is there still a chance this will happen? If so, both Glasgow clubs could easily fill 70k to 80k stadiums.

i dont think that will happen, and how will it work if they were allowed will it mean more teams to be relegated.

i dont think that will happen, and how will it work if they were allowed will it mean more teams to be relegated.

The last set of plans, as far as I am aware, was that the Championship would be undergoing a reduction in size anyway and in one of those seasons, Rangers and Celtic would be entered into the Championship in place of the extra two teams that were relegated and would have to play their way into the Premiership.

nice pic time

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2829/ibrox68gk4.jpg

lucky the colours of the french flag are the same as the Union Jack, otherwise they could be accused of double standards

^ is that ewood park?

yeah that pic looks alot like ewood park lol

ibrox:
http://home.skysports.com/images/stadia/5.jpg

ewood park:
http://www.apwj49.dsl.pipex.com/rangers30.jpg

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3074/bullshitoo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You're sooo right. And from above, the look even more similiar...

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG/Ewood_Park_A.jpg
http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/ibrox.jpg

It would seem that the only similiarity is that they have blue seats. I mean, does Ibrox also look like Tynecastle? It is, virtually, a mini-scale Ewood Park with dark red seats. Right down to the falling-apart-old-main-stand...

http://www.rainbowhearts.co.uk/Images/Tynecastle.jpg
http://search.teamtalk.com/Images/30161.jpg

And while we are at it, under your thesis, the most modern stadia look exactly the same from the inside - City of Manchester, New Wembley, Emirates, Da Luz, New Lansdowne Road and just about any other stadia that have one of those wavy top tiers.

Great reasoning, and I salute you for it.

Another expansion going on at Ibrox is support for right wing extremism and racism. Looks like sales for the BNP newspaper is on the rise amongst Rangers fans.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=1212

Nine Glasgow activists took part in the monthly paper sale at Ibrox Stadium on Saturday (19th August) recording their highest sales figures so far this year.

300 copies of the current edition of Voice of Freedom were sold at two of the approaches to the football ground, despite a concerted effort by 15 (yes fifteen!) Strathclyde Police Officers to end activity.

Standing at their traditional pitches, the team entice punters with calls such as “Buy your Voice of Freedom, the voice of the BNP” and “Get your BNP newspaper, only 60 pence.”

Mid way through Saturday’s activity the Police arrived telling the two teams to move on as they had had a complaint. The Officers refused to explain the nature of the complaint only repeating their orders to move or face arrest.

Know your rights

The BNP team stood their ground and explained that under “the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, Article 10, Section 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority regardless of frontiers.”

They also explained that “political organisations do not require local authority consent to sell or distribute literature on the streets and that they were not selling anything other than the newspaper.”

At one point, one of the sales teams had 15 officers surround them, half a dozen on motorcycles. One officer in particular seemed more persistent than the rest but gradually their number dissipated as our brave team continued to call out and ring up the sales.

BNP policies back the Police

Nobody was cautioned or arrested as commonsense seemed to prevail. Some of the activists were disappointed by the actions of some of these police officers as the BNP is recognised by most rank and file coppers to be supportive of the police and with policies that would help them do the job they signed up to do.

Political ambition may be the driving force for some officers but the BNP also aim to make political gains and no amount intimidation of this nature will dissuade us on our quest. Activist around the country should note the above statements to ward of any further underhanded attempts to stop us going about our legal business.

Glasgow BNP have been selling papers at Ibrox since the 1980’s and are on course to break all their sales records this season. After the last paper sale local Organiser Walter Hamilton was forced to up the monthly order. After Saturday, he has had to do so again to met the demand not just from Ibrox, but also from the monthly Activists Meetings.

So when are they going to paint the grass blue in Ibrox, I mean green...

Another expansion going on at Ibrox is support for right wing extremism and racism. Looks like sales for the BNP newspaper is on the rise amongst Rangers fans.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/reg_showarticle.php?contentID=1212
Know your rights

The BNP team stood their ground and explained that under “the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, Article 10, Section 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority regardless of frontiers.”
Is that how Celtic fans justify signing about the IRA every other week?

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Hope they reclad the outside of the Govan,Copland road and Broomlon Road when they start to redevelop the area outside ibrox with that shiny new casino and new executive apartments and sport complex the flats area between endminson drive and paisley road west has really got bad scince it was cleared and waiting demolishion could you post the redevelopment pics when you get the chance to go with the ones you just posted make a nice contrast. Thanx

P.s you could also post the finished pics of the ibrox Buiness park that sits in the fore ground of most of your pics showing the broomlon Road stand.

The back and forth between Celtic and Rangers fans is exactly the reason that the English don't want them in the Premiership. Man Utd/Liverpool, Arsenal/Spurs, Sunderland/Newcastle, etc., are all big rivalries, but at the end of the day most of the banter seems to be based around humour rather than complete hatrid. Calm it down and accept that both of them are terrific football stadiums in a pretty run down area of a city that's been sh*t on by the government for the duration of living memory.

Think you shall find that most of the time it is mostley friendly its just when you get ideots puting spin on things eg the red hand salute as nazi it angers upsets normal fans and you arent going to let your club and fellowsupporters be seen in a mislead light. yes there are nuters on both sides but its the same at every club. The guy posting these pictures has no intrest in this board he is just got an anti Rangers chip on his shoulder. I tryed to point out some facts thats all.

asdfg did not post one bad picture of Ibrox Stadium though. If those are the worst he could find, then he must really be in awe, as there are thousands of pictures highlighting the complete shambles that is Celtic Park.

asdfg you're an embarrassment son.

Completely knocked down and rebuilt (only the red brick facade on the Main stand will remain). The new capacity shall be 70000. From the Official club website -

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~1207470,00.html

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Thanks for that mate I put a post in the Glasgow room. I first read it of the Rangers fan site the Gers Forum if anyone has any Blue Prints or anything about the new stadium if you post them it would be great.

where would they play in the meantime?

where would they play in the meantime?
Celtic Park? :runaway:

I wonder whether this will force Celtic into expansion plans?

where would they play in the meantime?

Hampden Park

£700million, that's quite expensive :eek:
Glad to see the red brick facade will stay, it looks very beautiful.

Plat at Ibrox till new stadium is finished?

That's really nice. Just read about on a danish site. Looking forward to see some renderings.

Plat at Ibrox till new stadium is finished?

How do you suggest they do that when the whole thing except the facade on Edmiston Drive will be demolished?

Plat at Ibrox till new stadium is finished?

That's like suggesting the FA Cup Final should have been played at Wembley until the new stadium was finished...

That's like suggesting the FA Cup Final should have been played at Wembley until the new stadium was finished...

ermm well Arsenal played at there old ground till the Emirates was finished

^^ But that was a completely different site. This is the same place but will be getting rebuilt.



Will be great to see Ibrox expand. Hopefully this will make Celtic expand and then Hampden will also get made bigger. I belive all could quite easily maintain a healthy a stadium for crowds of 80,000 atleast.

We will play at Hampden can not see most of the casg being spent on the stadium thought think our Chairman wants to regenarate the area around the stadium witch the club own and then he will sell the club and keep the comercial property for himself as he as a very succeful buisness in that feild.

Yeah, i would also prefer an expansion than a new one.
Or is an expansion not possible?

how about shortening the thread title..

whats next?

"new possible stadium to be built in a city which can seat 85,000 and its can host many sports such as football rugby and athletics"

ermm well Arsenal played at there old ground till the Emirates was finished

Do you live in the real world

Do you live in the real world


Fancey exlaning that one?

ps, no need to be a cheeky c*nt. :ohno:

My worry is that when they talk about maintaining the facade of the main stand, do they mean purely the facade or are they including the internal body of the structure as well and merely replacing and redesigning the terraces that sit atop the structure? My worry is that it is not merely the external facade of the Bill Struth stand that incorporates the history and tradition of Rangers Football Club; it is the likes of the below staircase that need to be included in the preservation of the Bill Struth Stand - I really don't believe that Rangers can pull the history and tradition card if they are completely redesigning the interior of this stand. Does anyone have any information as to whether it is a complete internal gutting or merely a redesigning of the terraces? Cheers.

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/e4/37/0,,5~79844,00.jpg

Ultimately, redeveloping the stadium and increasing capacity is a must for Rangers - the way certain parts of the stadium have been built seems somewhat myopic when looked at currently - beyond the third tier on the Struth Stand, between the initial completion of redevelopment work at Ibrox and the current stadium, seats have only been able to be added in small amounts - filling in the bottom of the corners and extending the over-hang of the North Stand increased capacity but not by much. Whether a third tier could be added to the North, East and West sides is questionable - there is certainly the space but it seems doubtful that the foundations for such an expansion would be in place - it could be an exceedingly expensive way to increase capacity at the stadium if the foundations aren't up to the job. It could well be the case that a full redevelopment of the stadium would not be significantly more expensive, for the return Rangers would get from the redeveloped stadium than simply adding more tiers to it. All that said, I'd be sad to see Ibrox go.

how about shortening the thread title..

whats next?

"new possible stadium to be built in a city which can seat 85,000 and its can host many sports such as football rugby and athletics"

Which project is that?

Fancey exlaning that one?

ps, no need to be a cheeky c*nt. :ohno:

Well come on dude use your brains you say they should play at ibrox til new stadium is finished,well how can they it's ibrox that they want rebuilt did you read the thread plus you said arsenal played at highbury while the emirates was being built,well duh the emirates is a totally different stadium.I'm not calling you dude you just need to know what your talking about.I won't say no more as now i think you know what the deal is with ibrox.

I think the best plan is to strip the club deck out leaving the main stand as it was to start with. I would then have the new roof added and a new 3rd tear hovering over the original main stand. Basicley being a bridge over it if possible we should go to every expence to protect what is the greatest main stand in football.

I'm sure it will be fantastic.

Any renders yet? or ever?

It is only at the thinking stages (as far as we know) so no renders for some time atleast.

My worry is that when they talk about maintaining the facade of the main stand, do they mean purely the facade or are they including the internal body of the structure as well and merely replacing and redesigning the terraces that sit atop the structure? My worry is that it is not merely the external facade of the Bill Struth stand that incorporates the history and tradition of Rangers Football Club; it is the likes of the below staircase that need to be included in the preservation of the Bill Struth Stand - I really don't believe that Rangers can pull the history and tradition card if they are completely redesigning the interior of this stand. Does anyone have any information as to whether it is a complete internal gutting or merely a redesigning of the terraces? Cheers.

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/e4/37/0,,5~79844,00.jpg

I'd question the need to redevolp the main stand at all, right now its quite a bit taller than the other three anyway so if they were expanded(and made into a 3 sides bowl) you'd likey end up with a pretty even looking stadium.

My worry is that when they talk about maintaining the facade of the main stand, do they mean purely the facade or are they including the internal body of the structure as well and merely replacing and redesigning the terraces that sit atop the structure?


That would be the question.
I hope that they preserve the old internal structures aswell.

Yeah, therefore i asked why they do not expand the current one.
Ibrox park is a stadium which can be expanded.
Fill the corners and add new 3rd tier to 3 stands

I made this a good while ago.

Added a third deck to the Broomlan and Copland ends, replaced the second teir in the Govan to make it fit in with the end stands, and added a third, as well as adding corners to the Main Stand, a fourth tier and with exec boxes.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8568/broxexpandedur4.jpg
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The dark grey areas are the new parts, I didnt get round to finishing it.

capacity and 4th tier? Must be very steep

I dont think I have the actual SU file any more, so I couldnt tell you what angle the fourth teir is, but i extimate the capacity at near enough 80,000

thanks.
So without 4th tier of the main stand and corners capacity would be 70.000.
Rangers should do this project :D

Yeah, therefore i asked why they do not expand the current one.
Ibrox park is a stadium which can be expanded.
Fill the corners and add new 3rd tier to 3 stands

I alluded to some of the problems with expanding Ibrox in my earlier post; filling in the corners any more than their current configuration is almost impossible, or at least a rather expensive way of redeveloping the stadium. The three 'box' stands all have 'goalpost' supports for the roof. As such, further filling in of the North East and North West corners is hampered by the supports for the 'goalposts'. The south (main) stand also has these 'goalpost' supports but development for the corners is further encumbered by the new staircases built at either end of the stand to accomodate access to the new Club Deck.

It could well be possible to follow the redevelopment of the Westfalenstadion - before redevelopment for the World Cup in 2006, Westfalenstadion has four seperate stands and the same 'goalpost' supports. In order to fill in the corners of the stadium, the side supports of the 'goalposts' were removed and replaced with 'cranes':

From:

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To:

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The difference being that filling in the corners at the Westfalenstadion created some 15,000 extra seats in the stadium and was well worth the cost of redevelopment. At Ibrox, you'd probably be looking at a much smaller increase but with similiar costs. Economically speaking, it probably isn't worth Rangers' time spending the money to fill in the corners, given the return they'd likely generate.

On adding a third tier to the Copland, Broomloan and Govan Stands - the worry here is that the foundations simply wouldn't be strong enough to support the extra weight - while the Broomloan and Copland Ends are less problematic, adding a third tier on top of the existing Govan Stand is more than just adding another tier on top of the existing two, it would involve putting terracing on top of an existing building incorporated into the stand. The Govan Stand comprises Argyle House which includes restaurants, bars and other such facilities. If the foundations, not only of the stand itself, but of Argyle House were unable to cope with the added weight, then, again, we are looking at a consider expense in order to build a new tier on any of these stands.

Govan Stand / Argyle House

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Conceivably, to build a third tier onto the Govan Stand, Rangers could be looking at having to carry out expensive foundation work and even replace the likes of Argyle House, which is unlikely to be desirable. Given these limitations, I can see why Rangers are looking at the technicalities of building an almost entirely new stadium on the site; the expense of increasing capacity at Ibrox, given current restrictions and concerns could well be so great as to render a brand new stadium much more economically viable.

Having thought about this, I think my preference would be to see the Bill Struth Stand left almost untouched - the only change I would make would be to change the roof as it currently slopes down to give the impression of a more balanced stadium; three larger stands on the other three sides of the ground would mean that a different pitch of the roof would be required to maintain balance but that's purely aesthetic. I'd see the other three sides rebuilt from scratch. In its present form, I think Ibrox is such a beautiful stadium (at least form the inside - the exterior of the Broomloan, Copland and Govan stands are pretty grim) but it does not easily lend itself to economical expansion.

Yeah, therefore i asked why they do not expand the current one.
Ibrox park is a stadium which can be expanded.
Fill the corners and add new 3rd tier to 3 stands

I'd guess because the roof|(supported by pillars rather than cantilevers) and a great deal of the structure of the 3 newer stands would have to be altered.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8568/broxexpandedur4.jpg

That kind of design but leaving the main stand untouched and the corners on that side un filled in is what I was suggesting.

I'd guess because the roof|(supported by pillars rather than cantilevers) and a great deal of the structure of the 3 newer stands would have to be altered.

Or this.

Brevity never was my strong point :nuts:

I alluded to some of the problems with expanding Ibrox in my earlier post; filling in the corners any more than their current configuration is almost impossible, or at least a rather expensive way of redeveloping the stadium. The three 'box' stands all have 'goalpost' supports for the roof. As such, further filling in of the North East and North West corners is hampered by the supports for the 'goalposts'. The south (main) stand also has these 'goalpost' supports but development for the corners is further encumbered by the new staircases built at either end of the stand to accomodate access to the new Club Deck.

It could well be possible to follow the redevelopment of the Westfalenstadion - before redevelopment for the World Cup in 2006, Westfalenstadion has four seperate stands and the same 'goalpost' supports. In order to fill in the corners of the stadium, the side supports of the 'goalposts' were removed and replaced with 'cranes':

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1330000/images/_1331512_westfalenstadion300.jpg

To:

http://img.skysports.com/07/09/480/Dortmund_26261_569624.jpg

The difference being that filling in the corners at the Westfalenstadion created some 15,000 extra seats in the stadium and was well worth the cost of redevelopment. At Ibrox, you'd probably be looking at a much smaller increase but with similiar costs. Economically speaking, it probably isn't worth Rangers' time spending the money to fill in the corners, given the return they'd likely generate.

On adding a third tier to the Copland, Broomloan and Govan Stands - the worry here is that the foundations simply wouldn't be strong enough to support the extra weight - while the Broomloan and Copland Ends are less problematic, adding a third tier on top of the existing Govan Stand is more than just adding another tier on top of the existing two, it would involve putting terracing on top of an existing building incorporated into the stand. The Govan Stand comprises Argyle House which includes restaurants, bars and other such facilities. If the foundations, not only of the stand itself, but of Argyle House were unable to cope with the added weight, then, again, we are looking at a consider expense in order to build a new tier on any of these stands.

Govan Stand / Argyle House

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/argyle.jpg

Conceivably, to build a third tier onto the Govan Stand, Rangers could be looking at having to carry out expensive foundation work and even replace the likes of Argyle House, which is unlikely to be desirable. Given these limitations, I can see why Rangers are looking at the technicalities of building an almost entirely new stadium on the site; the expense of increasing capacity at Ibrox, given current restrictions and concerns could well be so great as to render a brand new stadium much more economically viable.

Having thought about this, I think my preference would be to see the Bill Struth Stand left almost untouched - the only change I would make would be to change the roof as it currently slopes down to give the impression of a more balanced stadium; three larger stands on the other three sides of the ground would mean that a different pitch of the roof would be required to maintain balance but that's purely aesthetic. I'd see the other three sides rebuilt from scratch. In its present form, I think Ibrox is such a beautiful stadium (at least form the inside - the exterior of the Broomloan, Copland and Govan stands are pretty grim) but it does not easily lend itself to economical expansion.

I've never saw thw far side of the Brox pal, Ive only ever been in the Main and Copland stands.

NeilF great post.

What I would like to see done is an all new stadium on 3 sides as well but take away the club deck and restore the main stand to it original forum minuce a roof as I would build one giant new roof all the way round. I would then fill in the gap with Glass and maybe put big screens on there and some extra boxes at the back of the stand.

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I havent finished it yet, and I havent made any changes to the main stand.

Old
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New (still unfinished)
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I actually prefer the old one. Nothing to do with your model as they are fantastic but I have always been a fan of the current Ibrox and don't think it would be tye same if built differently.

I would prefer they rebuilt the three stands (non-main) with larger capacity stands to keep it more of a four stand (multiple tier) stadium.

I actually prefer the old one. Nothing to do with your model as they are fantastic but I have always been a fan of the current Ibrox and don't think it would be tye same if built differently.

I would prefer they rebuilt the three stands (non-main) with larger capacity stands to keep it more of a four stand (multiple tier) stadium.

Great work by G.C but yeah I preffer the old design, the stands and use of straight lines really give it alot of character. Best way to devolp would I'd say to be rebuild the three newer stands in a similar style just with a much larger bottom tier(like the Holte End of Villa Park which IMHO gives the illusion of an even greater size) linked into a bowl with smaller seperate upper tiers.

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I'd guess that as with most stadiums a big reason for the redevolpment is to add additional luxury/corperate facilties aswell, conference centers, bars, restaurants etc.

Completely knocked down and rebuilt (only the red brick facade on the Main stand will remain). The new capacity shall be 70000. From the Official club website -

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~1207470,00.html

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wow. I am shocked. The current Ibrox is one of the most beautiful football stadiums in the world.

Great work by G.C but yeah I preffer the old design, the stands and use of straight lines really give it alot of character. Best way to devolp would I'd say to be rebuild the three newer stands in a similar style just with a much larger bottom tier(like the Holte End of Villa Park which IMHO gives the illusion of an even greater size) linked into a bowl with smaller seperate upper tiers.

I like this idea; being inquisitive as I am, I wondered if a stadium built like this would fit onto the Ibrox site - it is, afterall, somewhere in the region of about 210 x 285 metres, which is hardly a massive site for a stadium proposed to have a capacity of around 70,000: in effect, given the 21,000 capacity of the main stand, 50,000 seats around three sides of the stadium.

If I am correct, the Holte End holds around 13,500 fans, which would give, approximately, the correct capacity if we work on the current pitch surface area of Ibrox being about 1.5 times as long as it is wide - giving a capacity of 19,500 (approx) at the north side of the ground:

13,500 + 13,500 + 19,500 = 46,500, so we need about 1,500 seats in each corner, which should be easily enough done.

The second question is about space:

For egress, about 15 metres should be cut off each end of the stadium: therefore, we need the footprint of any new stadium to be, at most, 195 x 255 metres. A quick experiment using Google Earth tells me that from front to back, The Holte End is approximately 65 metres, excluding the access steps to the rear. The pitch dimensions at Ibrox are 105 x 70 metres; we also know that Ibrox is a 5* rated stadium, so we know that the whole pitch area is at least 120 x 80 metres; guessing this wants to be maintained, we're therefore looking at an overall length of the stadium of: 120 + 65 + 65 = 250 metres. Similiarly, given an approximate width of 40 metres for the main stand, we're looking at an absolute width of 65 + 40 + 80 = 185.

The conculsion is that such a design would just about fit onto the site - essentially, it would be close to the maximum possible size of a stadium on this site. In order to facilitate that, Rangers would be looking at sacrificing nearly all of the car parking in the immediate vacinity of the stadium. Sadly, while an interesting idea, it seems implausible that this would be the kind of design that Rangers would go for - I'd imagine three tiers and a footprint not considerably larger than the current one. While I think this would be a disappointment, these things almost always come down to practicality. The worry is that three sides of Ibrox simply become another generic bowl under practicality.

They could go along the same line as Newcastle, and incorperate multi story car parking under one of the ends.

wow. I am shocked. The current Ibrox is one of the most beautiful football stadiums in the world.

Are you serious? Most of the South Stand is stunning and should be preserved, but the other three stands are pretty grim to look at:

http://ayeready.com/ibrox/images/argyle.jpg

Charlie, while I agree that the three modern sides of Ibrox are pretty grim from the outside, very few stadia are much to look at from the outside - I can't imagine the outside of, even the likes of new Wembley or the Millennium Stadium, looking like much in 20 or 30 years time. Sadly, as I'm sure we both know, the outside of stadia like Allianz Arena, for example, are merely exceptions to the rule that the outside of stadia has, generally, represented the most economical way of putting up a building at any given time - I suppose in recent times, this has begun to change with the proposed plans like new Anfield or Lansdowne Road, but again, these are largely exceptions, just less rare exceptions than they otherwise would have been. That said, the internal seating areas of Ibrox, on the other hand, label it in the eyes of many, myself included, as a rather beautiful stadium.

The plans are to be announced tomorrow night at Ibrox.

the trend today is to make "smoother" stadiums!
The form is more rounder than rectangular forms!!

Look at what highbury was compared to emirates today!!

Any pics?

No because it is only in the talking stages.

Apparently this option is only one of 3.

Option 1 - Minor work, renovating existing facilities.
Option 2 - Remove scoreboards, fill in with seats to make 57,000 capacity.
Option 3 - Complete rebuild.

I personally can't see David Murray taking the financial risk of Option 3. He'll probably choose Option 2.

Neither Celtic nor Rangers currently have the need/demand for a 70,000 seater stadium. As a Celtic season ticket holder I can't see a massive surge in demand for new season tickets for an expanded Celtic Park so long as we are playing the likes of Gretna, St Mirren and Inverness CT. This could also be said for Rangers.

If both teams were playing in the Premiership or if the quality of the SPL was far better than it is now, these changes could be justified due to the ability to recoup these costs through tickets, TV money and merchandise. However, such an expensive decision in the current financial climate would be suicidal on Rangers' part. When a club like Liverpool has to review the cost of a stadium that has been billed at around £300-400 million less, such a decision would potentially bankrupt a club like Rangers.

For now, this plan is nowhere near feasible, for either of the Glasgow clubs.

You all can hold your breath for as long as you want. As of right now there is absolutely no concrete plans to do anything. Hell you might as well start a new thread about the replacement of Wembley. Hear say is hear say.

is this another one of those if/maybe/rumour/perhaps/who knows?/my friend told me/tabloid news that a stadium might be rebuilt or upgraded?

is this another one of those if/maybe/rumour/perhaps/who knows?/my friend told me/tabloid news that a stadium might be rebuilt or upgraded?

It's a leaked plan from Sir David Murray (the Rangers chairman).

It's not the first time he's actually done this, and yet the Scottish Media laps it up everytime.

is this another one of those if/maybe/rumour/perhaps/who knows?/my friend told me/tabloid news that a stadium might be rebuilt or upgraded?

Not quite - there was a news story about these proposals on the Rangers website, so the fact that such expansions are being discussed or considered in some way is more than rumour. That said, it seems much more like; "We're beginning to wonder about thinking about talking about what plans we could come up with for Ibrox if we start thinking about how we could expand it," than any concrete plans for the future.

The biggest question mark for me is not the new stadium as nice as it would be but how comited the chairman is to building a Rangers team and how long he is planing to stay.

This thread gave me a good laugh. There's so much delusion down Ibrox-way, it's hilarious.

They can't afford to even buy a player for 18 months, forced to allow up to 10 first-teamers to leave in the process because they couldn't afford their wages, drowning in a sea of debt they can't get out of, their only potential 'saviour' David King is being investigated for 322 seperate charges of tax evasion in South Africa..( and if found guilty could face 15 years in jail there )..the Rangers Manager himself admitting that the club is being run by the banks...

...yet these clowns on here dreaming of a fantasy dream superstadium with a floating pitch for £700 million...:nuts::lol:

^^ ...yet these clowns won the SPL last season...

You can never just be half happy for each other can you...?

I like the outside, it looks like a block of flats.

As the RRRRRRRANGERS wrap up title number 52. I just though I would share some of our finest moments from down the years!


Attacking the Moscow Dynamo players (before the full scale riot) during the 1972 ECWC Final in Barcelona. As Moscow Dynamo coach Konstantin Beskov stated, "We had the advantage and momentum at the end of the game they were trailing 3-2 when the Rangers fans broke onto the pitch and attacked our players."

Being called ‘savages’ by UEFA President Gustav Wiedekehr after rioting huns shamed themselves in Barcelona in 1972. In a scathing attack, Mr Wiedekehr angrily stated “ The Rangers fans behaved like savages. We must find ways to keep such people from football stadiums.”

Rioting inside and outside Old Trafford during a ‘friendly’ in 1974, causing the stadium to witness some of the bloodiest violence in it’s history, as bigoted huns attacked and bottled United fans, simply because some of them were Irish.

Trying to start sectarian riots in Dublin before and during a game against Bohemians in 1984, which the huns lost 3-2. Rangers fans attacked police and Bohemians fans outside and inside the ground, until they were beaten back, and forced to spend the rest of the game cowering in fear, as they got a taste of their own medicine. Half of the huns never even made it in the first place, after being thrown off the Liverpool / Dunloghaire ferry for rioting. The ferry was turned back, halfway across the Irish Sea after drunken huns started running amok and fighting with other passengers.

The Rangers fans thought it would be a good idea to link up with those other paragons of tolerance Linfield, who were playing Shamrock Rovers the following evening, and wreak havoc in the south of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, they didn't bank on the spirit of the Irish people who turned their little wrecking jolly, into a day of fear the huns would never forget. Even to this day, Rangers fans experience a cold shiver when asked about their memories of the trip. Most have conveniently chosen to forget.


Convicted Loyalist terrorist, and UDA Godfather John Gregg being ambushed and shot dead by fellow Rangers fans in 2003 after returning to Belfast from a match at Ibrox. Gregg, who was sentenced to 18 years after a failed assassination attempt on the life of MP Gerry Adams, was slain by a number of gun-totting masked men wearing Rangers shirts, who then fled the scene in a stolen taxi.

Brutally assaulting sports photographer Eric Craig as they invaded the Hampden pitch after the 1980 Scottish Cup Final. Craig was left deaf in one ear, and with a gruesome dent in his head after he was beaten and struck with a Pomagne bottle 'hurled at him by a Rangers fan.' He also had to undergo an emergency six-hour operation at the Southern General Neurosurgical Unit, and still suffers from headaches and dizziness. He also gave up attending football matches after the huns attack which left him traumatised. As Mr Craig later commented "You can still feel the hatred from these people, even after 25 years. I don't know if they'll ever be able to be cured."

UVF Loyalist Godfather William Taube being murdered at Ibrox Stadium in a revenge attack, on a Sunday night in April, 1999, during a Loyalist [Blue Mist] function. The function was held to celebrate the release of, and was attended by, several Loyalist prisoners from the Maze Prison. Security was provided by Taube's UVF friends, including a leading member of the UVF in Glasgow. Despite this, Taube was attacked and head-butted down a flight of stairs before having his head smashed on the marble flooring of The Edmiston Suite. He later died at Glasgow's Southern General Hospital. In a sworn statement to the Crown Office, a witness claimed he had been threatened with knee-capping if he failed to tell police the attack he saw was 'a drunken accident'. Following the incident, the witness received death threats and now lives in hiding, terrified of retribution. Taube's assailant was chased and beaten up in the car park before managing to flee. He has never been caught.

Members of the BNP arrested for Loyalist agitation and recruitment activity outside Ibrox stadium. The BNP feel they have a natural empathy with the
politics of Rankers fans with whom they share certain racist, bigoted, homophobic and xenophobic ideals.

Barcelona 1972 : The only fans in European history not to witness their club receiving the trophy in a post-match presentation. Rankers fans were too busy rioting on the field of play at the time, so the ceremony had to take place.............in a dressing room. Following the match Rangers fans rioted in the streets outside the ground, clashing with Spanish police and causing extensive damage in the city. Rankers fans also vandalised the exterior of the city's Catholic cathedral, which was daubed with sectarian graffitti. Similar anti-Catholic sentiments were expressed on buildings, in later years on visits to the Italian cities of Parma and Turin. The scenes of mayhem and violence caused by rioting huns in the Nou Camp remain some of the most disgraceful ever witnessed at a football match.

Repeated hate-posts on FF containing sickening homophobia, with thread titles like ‘Homophobic And Proud’ and ‘101 Uses For A Dead Gay’. This is in addition to numerous repeated sick posts about injured, dead, or disabled people including Stephen Hawking, Christopher Reeve, Emlyn Hughes, Brian Clough, Jordan’s (the topless model) blind toddler son and many others. The list – in no way exhaustive - extends to Mother Teresa, Harold Shipman’s victims, footballers who have died in tragic circumstances, P & O Ferry drowning victims, the Tsunami victims, and those who died on Piper Alpha. Is no-oneimmune from these brainless morons?

The only club in football history to be unable to defend their trophy due to the behaviour of their fans. After the rioting that occurred in Barcelona, Rankers received a UEFA one-year ban from European competition.

Being outed as sectarian bigots by one of their own - fellow Rankers fan, and American tourist, James Armstrong, in 1998. During his tour, Armstrong spent a day socialising with Mark Dingwall and some of the other Loyalist FF keyboard bretheren (SMac, SM, & SJ). He attended the day's match v Kilmarnock at Ibrox (Walter Smith's last home game in charge, which Rankers lost 0-1) after Dingwall had got him a ticket for the Club Deck. After an evening's revelry in the Auctioneer's pub, followed by a trip to the curry house, Armstrong caught the last train back to Edinburgh, where he was staying. Onboard the train, he describes the sectarian singing of his fellow passengers, and how he was disturbed by the bigotry they espoused. "There were about ten other Bears singing drunkenly the entire trip back. 'Hello! Hello! We are King Billy's Boys! We're up to our knees in Fenian blood, Surrender or you'll die!' There were other sectarian songs. The bigotry was disturbing."

Throwing a golf-ball with nails projecting out of it at Peter Grant during the notoriously hooligan-hun mid 1980’s. According to Grant himself, the deadly missile only missed his head ‘by a couple of inches.’

Saying that El Hajj Diouf 'deserved a knighthood' after the disgusting and vile episode when he spat on football supporters. This serial low-life has been warned, fined, and banned numerous times, and is a disgrace to both the footballing fraternity in particular, and the human race in general - unless of course you're a Rankers fan, in which case he's a candidate for investiture. Funny, the sort of people these huns look up to?!

The outrage by huge sections of the club's support after Rankers ended their sectarian signing policy - eventually - and signed a Catholic after almost a century. The arrival of the said Catholic was met with protests, derision, boycotts, and the surrender and burning of numerous Season Books. Fans' leaders appeared in television documentaries in later years, proudly displaying their full and unused Season Books, as a result of their continued non-attendance protest at the presence of a Catholic player at the club.

Rioting before, during, and after the notorious Villa Riot game in 1976 where 8000 drunken huns went on an orgy of robbery, violence, and hooliganism which brought Birmingham to a standstill. People's doors were kicked in, pubs wrecked, shops looted, and Villa fans bottled and stabbed as rampaging huns brought an orgy of drunken violence and terror to Birmingham. Hooligan huns without tickets broke down the gates of the Holte End, and rampaged onto the terracing attacking the Villa fans with bricks and bottles. The violence was so serious that it was reported live on World Of Sport just after kick-off, with Dickie Davies warning Villa fans not to go into their home end for the threat of being attacked. The game was marred by dozens of rampaging fights as drunken huns attacked the home fans, and was eventually abandoned at half-time in the interests of crowd safety - with the huns typically on the losing end of the 2-0 scoreline.

Using child abuse as a cheap weapon in a tawdry point-scoring exercise, whilst seeking to slander the memory of Jock Stein. A sickening t-shirt stunt was planned which sought to denigrate Scotland's most successful manager, at the expense of innocent children who were the victims of a heinous crime. Thankfully, those in charge of the club recognised that particular cancer in time to exterminate it's malignant influence, by threatening life bans for any degenerate perverted enough to carry out their twisted plan. The stunt was no empathy for those who suffered abuse - it was a way of using their suffering to fabricate lies about someone who isn't here to defend himself. Psychologists call it the 'Theory Of Cognitive Dissonance' whereupon one seeks to denigrate another in order to make themselves feel better, and tries to justify their actions by a twisted rationalisation that their victim 'deserved it.'

It was the same tactic that the Nazis used on Jewish holocaust victims, and is the same reasoning that wife-beaters use to justify their cowardly violence, in their own minds. The intentions of the deranged low-lifes at Ibrox was to try and tarnish the status of a footballing giant, whilst wading in a cesspit filled with the remnants of human suffering and broken lives. What could be any lower than sullying the reputation of a dead man with lies and fabrication, at the expense of children who were the victims of a heinous crime. This truly is the lowest of the low - and another benchmark for these vile reprobates.

The sectarian murder and homicidal violence perpetrated on Celtic fans, by Rankers-supporting bigoted maniacs. Once investigated and convicted, the perpetrators have often been found to have grown up in an anti-Catholic environment that encouraged sectarianism and division along football and religious lines. One of these thugs, Jason Campbell (who murdered Mark Scott in 1996) is the son of a convicted Loyalist UVF terrorist. He is also a diehard Rankers fan, and was defended during his trial by the Rankers FC Vice-Chairman Donald Findlay QC - himself later forced to resign after a shameful sectarian hate incident. In 1998 Findlay also defended another Rankers-supporting, Loyalist thug, Thomas Longstaff (who cut the throat of Sean O’Connor) is an almost copy-cat attack to Campbell’s.

Police later admitted, that in the two-year period between these attacks, 38 similar assaults had taken place in the area, all directed at Catholics or those wearing Celtic colours. The learned Mr Findlay was happilly singing his hate anthems on the same day in May 1999 that 16 year old Thomas McFadden was being stabbed to death by two Rankers fans in Govanhill after they watched the huns play at Hampden. His ‘crime’ was to be wearing a Celtic top. Also in 1999, Carl McGroarty, was shot in the chest by a bolt fired from a crossbow as he left a pub wearing his Celtic top. On the same day, another young Celtic fan, Liam Sweeney was stabbed repeatedly after leaving a Chinese takeaway. His green jersey and the calling of his name to collect his food order was enough to identify him as a Catholic from an Irish background. Later the same evening in Ayrshire, three young Celtic fans - one female - were viciously attacked by a large mob of Rangers fans. All three were hospitalised, one of the men had receiving horrific head injuries, and the other a broken jaw.

In 2003, Celtic fan Thomas Loughrey was stabbed to death by James McCormick in an unprovoked attack in Pollokshaws. Thomas had made the fatal error of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, as McCormick – high on drink and drugs, took offence to his Celtic top. In October 2004, Ian Gray was stabbed to death by convicted thug Brian Cooper after he had spent the day getting acutely more drunk after watching an Orange Walk, and then attending a match at Ibrox stadium. Cooper, who received ten years for his act of bigoted murder, admitted sectarianly abusing Mr Gray, before striking him with a wine bottle and repeatedly stabbing him in the back. How many more innocent Celtic fans are to be butchered before something is done to curtail these sectarian animals – and the hatemongers who defend them?

Having 15 hooligan fans jailed in September 1999 by a Dutch court after they were convicted of mobbing and rioting before, during, and after a European tie with PSV Eindhoven. The hun thugs - all from Scotland - were convicted by the court in Den Bosch, and sentenced to periods of imprisonment ranging from 4 weeks to 24 weeks. Afterwards, they were immediately deported upon release. No one likes them – they don’t care !

Being so sectarian that they've had a play dedicated to them because of their bigoted and anarchic perceptions of society. In James Barclay's 'The Bigot', Loyalist, Royalist, Rankers fan Andra Thompson is the sash-wearing embodiment of a typical west of Scotland hun, who worships Rankers, Ulster, Ian Paisley,The Orange Order, The Freemasons, and The Royal Family. At the same time, he hates Catholics, Celtic, Irish people, and anything green in general. The play is an accurate depiction of a hackneyed and twisted old sectarian dinosaur from days gone by, still applying those same tired old bigoted concepts to every second of his waking life. It is a scathing social comment and a damning indictment on a huge percentage of the Rankers support, and how they continue to conduct themselves. Despite the advancement of society, they continue to live their lives in a bigoted and intolerant manner as if they were still living in 'the grand old days of yore'. In Scotland the clocks go forward an hour every year - unless you're a Rankers fan – in which case they go back three hundred years !

The repeated sight and sound of numerous thousands of Rankers fans racially abusing the players of opposition teams, simply because they are black. This behaviour is widespread, blatantly obvious, and as yet unpunished by those who administer the ticketing of Rankers fans. This inaction is viewed by many as tacit complicity.

Starting a FF thread on the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's assassination to praise psychotic murderer Mark Chapman for 'cooly pumping 5 bullets into him'. Added posts went on to denigrate the victim's memory, whilst praising and showing appreciation for the cold-blooded killer who murderered him. Not to be outdone, further posts went on to heap praise, and urge others not to forget, 'the sterling work done by' other deranged assassins including 'Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan', who assassinated John F Kennedy and his brother Robert.

The disgusting and blatant sectarian abuse by Rankers fans towards Celtic player Neil Lennon. The player has been victimised, brutalised, assaulted, had his property vandalised, and most sinister of all, has had his life threatened. All of these incidents have come from persons later proven to support, or have links to Rankers FC, or have had blatant Rankers connections. How serious need this get before something is done about the cancerous hatred of these people?

The club being forced to refrain from playing a popular chart song over the Ibrox PA system at matches due to Rankers fans hijacking it, distorting the words, and turning it into a sectarian club anthem. The song was later to be repeatedly sung by tens of thousands of Rankers fans for numerous seasons, dispelling the myth that Rankers cancerous sectarian hate was simply the practice of ‘an unrepresentative minority.’ Indeed, if this was the sectarianism of their minority, heaven knows what depths their majority would sink to.

The persistant and widespread mobbing, looting, and fighting by Rankers fans whenever they attend Away matches involving Rankers FC. A recent, but by no means exhaustive list includes : Munich, Rotterdam, Birmingham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Fulham, Liverpool, Bucharest, Paris.......... The above is an obvious reason why Rankers are exceptionally rarely invited to play in testimonial and friendly matches.


Rankers fans being involved in widespread violence and sectarianism during a European tie in July 1998 in Liverpool. The match - against Irish club
Shelbourne - had to be moved to a neutral ground (Tranmere Rovers / Prenton Park) because club officials knew that the sectarian Rankers fans could not be trusted to travel to Ireland without the genuine fear that they would cause mayhem and injury – if not murder (See Bohemians 1984). It so proved that they couldn't be trusted to travel to England either, where they had to be baton-charged by more than 150 fully clad riot police, as they tried to attack the Irish fans. Amidst mopping up the carnage that Rankers fans caused -including smashing the windows of the Shelbourne FC team bus - Liverpool police commented that Rankers fans would never again be allowed to freely roam the city. If they ever again, did have cause to visit the city, severe policing restrictions would be applied. This has later been proven to be the case as numerous English cities have faced severe alcohol licensing restrictions when Rankers are scheduled to play there. The above is another obvious reason why Rankers are exceptionally rarely invited to play in testimonial matches.

The embarrassingly shameful booing and vitriolic hounding of Shota Arveladze by his club's own fans, because he had the temerity to bless himself before entering the field of play, during a recent trip to play Linfield in Ireland. For good measure, the Catholic-hating, sectarian, Loyalist hate-mongers of Linfield abused him as well.

Printing the personal details in a Rankers fanzine of those certain people suspected of having handed the ‘Donald Findlay’ video tape over to the meeja. The inference was that most fellow huns wouldn’t be too bothered if ‘some harm’ befell the culprit(s).

Having three hooligan fans jailed for 20 months each in March 2004, after they brutally attacked an Aberdeen fan in Glasgow as he returned there to catch a train following a Scottish Cup tie in Dumfries. Video footage showed pedestrians diving for cover and the fight was only stopped when police
arrived. Damning the Rankers hooligans, Sheriff Linda Ruxton said jail was the only option in the interests of the public. "This was an incident associated with football violence, which brought about a serious disturbance. It took very little to lose control and, as a result, you behaved like hooligans. It must have been a frightening experience for those that were witnesses. Your actions made Glasgow city centre a very dangerous place. Public interest demands that a custodial sentence must be passed."

The shameful desecration of silence tributes to football legend Sir Matt Busby - because he was a Catholic - and assassinated President John F Kennedy for the same reason. Not even the dead are immune from sectarian vitriol it would appear.

The shameful displaying of Loyalist paramilitary banners by sectarian Rankers fans, who glorify those convicted of sectarian murder, and that mock the deaths of their victims. Banners have also been flown denigrating the memory of deceased Celtic players, and of a young Catholic man (Robert Hamill) who was kicked to death by a sectarian hate-mob wearing Rankers shirts. To recreate the assault in which this young man died, sick Rankers fans invented a terracing dance called 'the bouncy' in which they emulate the sickening attack. This was later revealed as being so on FF when a poster admitted to ‘joining in the celebration of the death of a Catholic.’ This act represents a hatred and a depravity that is hard to quantify.

Having Rankers fans describe the terrorist attacks in New York on September 11th - and in particular the deaths of hundreds of NYPD & NYFD members - as 'deserving' because some of these brave citizens may (or may not) have been part of the pipe band that welcomed MP Gerry Adams to the USA.

Rankers fans deliberately aiming and setting off a pyrotechnic firework in the direction of the Family Section at Celtic Park in October 2002. The device, which police described as ‘a large firework which contained a smaller series of firecrackers’ was set off in an act of blatant hooliganism, with a blatant disregard for the children and families who were seated there. Thankfully no-one was seriously injured by this wanton act of thuggery.

Convicted sectarian, drug-using, drug-dealing, thieving, receiving, criminal-damaging, knife-carrying, fraudulent, car stealing, electronically-tagged, vandalising, burgling, fire-raising, peace-breaching, disqualified-driving, neighbour-from-hell, Lotto thug Michael Carroll who is Rankers daft and their self-confessed 'greatest fan'. Carroll, who has over 50 convictions for almost every kind of degenerate sociopathic disorder recently invested £1million in the club he most identifies with, and which he feels most at home in. A neighbour (Ruth Leeks) who recently collapsed with an asthma
attack due to the toxic fumes caused by one of Carroll's customary caravan bonfires, commented 'I feel sorry for the guy because he's obviously so stupid that he has a screw loose and needs help'. As she said this, Carroll and his tattooed hoardes were busily obstructing firemen who had been called to extinguish yet more of his toxic-plumed handiwork.

The repeated vandalism of the Away support section at Celtic Park following a 'visit' by Rankers fans. Although Celtic FC refuse to discuss the cost of
repairs, it is believed to run into thousands of pounds for each and every game. The fact that all damage is then has to be paid for by the very club they claim to ‘support’ seems totally lost on these reprobates.

Numerous arrests and subsequent detention of a number of Rankers fans who fraudulently tried to pass off counterfeit Euro currency in Stuttgart before a recent European tie. They were later convicted and sentenced to various periods of imprisonment, bringing further shame on an already notoriously thuggish and hooligan criminal support

Ok.

Rankers fans causing a near-riot on the stadium concourse at Ibrox after the refreshment stalls were found to be offering green and white straws (part of an assortment) to customers. Threats of violence and sectarian abuse were hurled at junior catering staff before police and stewards were called in to restore order. Because of this incident, there are now no green and white straws anywhere to be seen at any of the Ibrox vending stalls. Who says the bigots aren’t in control ?!

Using 120 forged tickets to gain entry to a league match at Celtic Park and stealing the seats of fellow Rankers fans, leaving them locked out and unable to see the game. There is nothing much lower than stealing from your own people. Possessing no morals whatsoever, the thieves – incredibly -later tried to shift blame for their dishonesty by suggesting that Celtic FC were responsible for not preventing them from gaining fraudulent access in the first place. As CS Kevin Smith (Match Commander) pointed out “The match saw a number of Rankers fans with genuine tickets turned away because other, so-called, fans entered the stadium with forged tickets. Every person entering with a forged ticket deprives a genuine fan with an authentic ticket of the chance to get in.” Are there no depths to which these gutter-scum won’t sink to ??

Being branded ‘shameful’, ‘filth’ and ‘ a disgrace’ by Bobby Robson after a pre-season match at St James’s Park where they persistantly abused Alan Shearer to such an extent, that Robson took him off the park. Robson later commented that he had plied his trade for decades, in numerous countries around the world. This was the first time he had experienced such malice, on such a vile scale, and the first time he had ever felt needing to take one of his players off the field of play. Yet another ugly first for the gutter-scum who support Rankers. Seems the hypocritical hate-mongers only love Engerrlunnd when it suits them.

Rankers fans continued and repeated racial and sectarian abuse of Neil Lennon over two adjoining fixtures which prompted Martin O’Neill to publically comment on his utter disgust at the situation. Despite condemnation from the media, politicians, and the wider Scottish public, Rankers refused to condemn their bigoted and sectarian fan-base who continue to bring shame on their club. On the very day Martin O’Neill’s comments were reported in the media, he himself was viciously abused by the Ibrox hate-mongers during a match with Austrian minnows Grazer AK. Hollow claims from the Ibrox hierarchy that any abuse was made by ‘a minority’ were publically dispelled when a near full house was broadcast on live television heard to repeatedly abusing Martin O’Neill as ‘a Fenian bastard’. Later, and displaying a deporable ignorance of the facts, not to mention a typical and wholly predictable display of Ostrich Syndrome, David Murray attempted to claim that ‘generalisations of Rankers fans as racist bigots, were inaccurate’. In his view ‘the vast majority of Rankers supporters are decent, respectable people’. Pity none of them were amongst the 50,000+ that were inside Ibrox that night, Mr Murray – or perhaps you just need to take your head out of the sand. Having said that, when you’re drowning in a sea of debt, the bigot’s pound is as good as any, eh ?!

A Rankers fan (Derek Hume) being arrested and charged with verbally abusing Bobo Balde in a racist and sectarian manner during a game at Ibrox. At the same match another Rankers fan (Alan Martin) was arrested, charged, and later plead guilty to verbally abusing Momo Sylla and Bobo Balde in a racist and sectarian manner. He also admitted making ‘monkey noises’ and shouting racist abuse.

Rankers fans attacking a Glasgow Merchant City bar (Locomotiv) filled with Celtic fans and pushing two of them through a plate glass window. The thugs, many of them with Rankers scarves pulled up over their faces were caught on CCTV attacking the bar, throwing bottles and missiles at it, and attacking the customers inside it by punching and kicking them, whilst chanting sectarian songs. Another blatant example of the hate-filled, sectarian hooligan culture that pervades those who support Rankers.

Having a list of ‘famous’ fans that includes human pig-sty Andy Fordham, Scotlands unfunniest man Andy Cameron, convicted Lotto thug Michael Carroll, washed out junkie bigot Martie Pellow, and Shellsuit Bob from no-mark telly show River City.

Sectarian abuse being hurled at four Catholic priests in Stornoway on the Isle of Lewis by local hooligans wearing Rankers tops. The priests were warned to leave the island ‘before they were cremated’. One of the priests (Father Paul Hackett) was later mailed a death threat before his parish (The Church Of The Holy Redeemer) was burned to the ground as he slept. Other preists were threatened with ‘having their throats slit’ and ‘being strangled’. It would appear that in the minds of some hate-filled bigots, merely being a Catholic is justifiable grounds for execution.

Organising a poll on FF to canvas support in order to get the telecommunications company Orange to become Rankers new kit sponsors. Posters were asked to sign their vote of approval – many did. Another blatant display of Rankers inextricable links with Loyalism, and the Anti-Catholic Orange Order.

British Transport Police having to board a train in Ayrshire after Loyalist thugs returning from a Rankers game began vandalizing the carriages after
having subjected the terrified occupants to mile upon mile of sectarian bigotry and drunken thuggish behaviour. Two young male passengers on the train were also assaulted. A number of arrests were made before the passengers were allowed to resume their journey, grateful in the knowledge that their safety now wasn’t quite so precarious.

Starting a near riot at Pittodrie in a brawl with Aberdeen fans that caused many people to be injured before riot police had to be called in to take control. As stated in The Telegraph " Trouble began when fans in the Rangers section hurled coins and bottles at Aberdeen's Robbie Winters as he prepared to take a corner kick. The home fans invaded the pitch to confront their rivals. Rangers followers tried to meet them half way, but were prevented by 50 police officers in full riot gear. The referee took both teams off and the match was held up for 17 minutes. Nine supporters received minor injuries, two requiring hospital treatment. Police made 13 arrests before the game and one during it, and others were ejected from the ground."

When canvassed for their opinions on how the Unofficial Rankers fanzine 'Follow Follow' could be better improved for the fans, the following were some of the most popular replies : naked page 3 girls, a porn section, a 'faggot' section for all the weirdos and gays, naked female Rankers fans photo section, a section on football thugs and violence, a gossip column. Nice to know their readership are real football fans, who are interested in the genuine issues that affect the club.

Racially abusing two Muslims in Stuttgart Airport, shouting at them : ‘You murdering c**ts shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a f**king airport.’
Numerous members of Rankers much trumpeted ‘anti-sectarian’ joke mob The Blue Order being arrested for both sectarianism and overt rascism. Far from discouraging bigotry, these resident hate-mongers have been a catalyst for it’s expansion. The most recent exploits of this ‘family friendly’ environment include members being arrested for calling Mark de Vries a ‘n*gger bastard’ during a match –v- Hearts at Ibrox. So cancerous is the environment created by these bitter individuals that the club has had to resort to planting undercover stewards within their designated seating area to try and quell the intimidating and malicious atmosphere. To date, numerous members have been arrested, ejected, warned, or banned. If that’s what goes on in their much trumpeted "anti-sectarian sections", one shudders to think what goes on in their sectarian sections.

If you want more on the antics of Scotland's shame. Just try googling the events of the 2008 UEFA Cup Final in Manchester!! :ohno:

WE ARE THE PEOPLE INDEED!! :eek2:

Nice try WUM. Now would you kindly f off :)

I think it's only fair that forum members from outside of Scotland etc, know what this club stands for. Don't you?

This obvious troll should be :banned:

I think it's only fair that forum members from outside of Scotland etc, know what this club stands for. Don't you?Creating a profile on a web site about stadium architecture just to demean a football club is decidedly weak. Portraying this as only Rangers issue moreso than a larger cultural matter for several clubs (including Celtic) and fangroups is also weak. Calling yourself Dignity FC in the process, however, is outright hypocritical.

Grow up some, lad, and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. WWJD and all that.

Cheers.

Creating a profile on a web site about stadium architecture just to demean a football club is decidedly weak. Portraying this as only Rangers issue moreso than a larger cultural matter for several clubs (including Celtic) and fangroups is also weak. Calling yourself Dignity FC in the process, however, is outright hypocritical.

Grow up some, lad, and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. WWJD and all that.

Cheers.

:applause:

Well said, fella.

Im not claiming that Celtic don't have issues with a segment of their support. But the sheer volume of vile, disgusting individuals that populate the Rangers support is difficult to fathom!

I challenge anyone who disagree's to read back over that catologue of shameful behaviour and try to disprove any of it. Rangers usually prefer to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this kind of thing simply dosen't happen. Or else they try and pathetically claim it was all Celtic's fault.

The reality is (and most genuine football fans around Europe will probably know) that Rangers supporters are universally despised because of their degenerate behaviour down through the years. On the other hand, Celtic fans have won awards for their behaviour and are known world wide for their exemplary conduct.

In 2003, Celtic brought 70,000 fans to Seville. Did they thrash the place like Rangers did in Manchester? Of course not.

Many people, the scottish media in particular love to put Celtic in the same bracket as Rangers. It usually occurs when Rangers are the subject of negative publicity. This "one is as bad as the other" nonsense is actually laughable. Nothing could be further from the truth. Thats not paranoia, it's a fact!!

Incidentally, here's an article from the Boston Globe from 2 days ago.


By Mark Stokes

Concerts, Little League games and father-and-son days have worked at Fenway Park when the Red Sox are not in town, but the proposed Celtic-Rangers game, which could take place on the hallowed ground in July, is wrong on so many levels.

Monumental interest has been generated among local fans since this story aired last week, the brainchild of Sam Kennedy of the Fenway Sports Group. While Kennedy should be commended for his willingness to bring one of the greatest soccer experiences there is to our doorsteps, the reality is that Gillette Stadium is the only sensible option for such an event.

Few who witness an Old Firm game ever forget it – the pride, passion and banter generated at one of the world's biggest derby contests is second to none. Nothing this writer has experienced in the world of sports has ever compared with the rivalry between these clubs – just think of Game 7 of a Sox-Yankees ALCS, and multiply the intensity and multiply again.

For those who've not seen the happenings at Scotland's most passionate affair, a look (on YouTube) at a rendition of 'You'll Never Walk Alone' is sure to whet the appetite.

The fixture is a perfect fit for the Boston area given that both clubs will be in the United States at the time – Celtic scheduled to meet Manchester United in Toronto on July 16 or 17, while Rangers are reportedly locked into games in Miami and New York.

There’s little doubt that an Old Firm derby at Gillette Stadium would sell out, which raises questions initially about the wisdom of settling for Fenway, a venue half the size of Gillette. Sales of tickets for Gillette would see both clubs gross about $1 million each, which after all, is what had them interested in the first place.

Celtic has tens of thousands of fans across America, with some 13 supporters clubs located from coast to coast. The team will draw on that support and the thousands more traveling from Scotland, Ireland, Australia, and many other parts of the globe. Rangers, the newly minted Scottish champions, are also well catered to Stateside, all of which makes a carnival atmosphere and plenty of revenue for the city of Boston a slam dunk.

All roads point to Gillette Stadium for economic reasons, yet the bigger issue is one of security.

Old Firm contests have been associated with some of the worst violence seen in the game (having narrowly escaped the mayhem visited on north Dublin by Rangers fans in the 80's, I can vouch for that).

While it is recognized that not all Rangers fans involve themselves in extracurricular activity, one can't help wonder how the city of Boston will fare out after a Fenway game, should the Rangers faithful feel the need to express themselves, as they did in Manchester in 2008.

Following their team’s defeat in the UEFA Cup final, the blue clad fans left parts of Manchester in shambles and forced the local constabulary to don full riot gear to restore order.

But Rangers have a long history of violence on their travels, dating back decades. Who can forget their pitch invasion in Barcelona in 1972, which earned the club a one-year ban from European competition?

The same fans brought their particular brand of fanaticism to Romania last year, clashing with police who were forced to use tear gas. Back home last December, the unruly ones saw fit to engage the fans of Hibernian, for which one of their number received a five-month jail sentence and 10-year ban from all football stadia.

With Spanish police reporting Rangers violence in 2006 (Villareal) and 2007 (Barcelona), the list goes on and on, right up to Edinburgh last Sunday, where there was unrest between Rangers and Hibernian fans once again after the Blues won the Scottish title.

Most notably, disaster struck at Rangers’ Ibrox Stadium in 1971 following a crush-barrier failure, but it is widely accepted that the tensions between Celtic and Rangers fans played a major part in the 66 deaths that day (many of whom were children).

Celtic by comparison, can be charged with ... well, not much at all. A green and white clad fan invaded the pitch and struck the Vienna goalkeeper at Old Trafford in 1984, after the club was ordered to replay a European game.

If their archrivals have dragged the name of Glasgow through the mud, it must be said that Celtic fans have done their best to restore the good name. Indeed the same Manchester police who struggled to contain the Rangers fans commended Celtic’s for their behavior in a recent friendly vs. Manchester United.

If any evidence was needed as to the pedigree of supporters of the green and white, it surely comes from the Mayor of Seville, Alfredo Sanchez Monteseirin, who was so moved by Celtic's supporters that he wrote a letter to Glasgow’s Lord Provost Liz Cameron.

Having traveled to that city's Stadio Olimpico for the UEFA Cup final in 2003, Celtic fans, who numbered about 85,000 according to best estimates, just would not fit in the 60,000 seat facility. Thirty-five thousand ticket bearing Scotsmen made it inside the stadium while the remainder watched the game in local bars and parks.

"I would like to send publicly the congratulations of the City of Seville to the fans and, in general, to all the citizens of Glasgow. We hope to see you again in Seville on a similar occasion, when you will surely be luckier on the playing field."

Lord Provost Cameron said: "I am proud and delighted that the Mayor of such a lovely city as Seville has praised the Celtic fans so highly. I was in Seville for the game and saw how the fans created a party atmosphere. The fans were wonderful ambassadors for Glasgow and maintained the city’s good reputation across Europe."

Voicing his concerns about Fenway Park and Rangers fans marauding through Boston afterwards (and in the process giving a big thumbs up to Gillette Stadium), local Celtic Supporters Club chief Billy Ramsey says: “Segregation is going to be a major issue. Maybe if they gave them (Rangers) the bleachers and us the seats it might work.”

All things considered, the assumption must be that the Boston Police will be 'on top of their game' when Celtic and Rangers come to town. The BPD is reserving comment on the game until it is confirmed, I was informed by a department spokesperson on Tuesday.

An historic soccer game at Fenway Park is something we all want, but not at the cost of blood-stained faces, smashed store fronts and police sirens from Kenmore Square to Fanueil Hall. Celtic vs. Rangers at Fenway Park - let's hope it is remembered in years to come for all the right reasons.

The reality is (and most genuine football fans around Europe will probably know) that Rangers supporters are universally despised because of their degenerate behaviour down through the years.Again, no one is challenging your assertions, but what you're doing right here and right now is simply adding to the hysteria! While all message boards are prone to threads straying off topic, the fact remains you've barged into an architectural site just to lambast the worst of one clubs fan base. And you registered for this site just to do that!! Feel prouder, do ya? Further, if they're as universally despised as you're saying then your screaming isn't needed, is it?

My beloved grandfather who ushered me into fanhood for the game was a die-hard Celtic supporter and first-gen from Edinburgh. No way he'd give neutrals or Gers fans any fodder or attention like this that might turn the hatred back onto his beloved club. Better still to retain the better reputation and not give Rangers anymore notice.

Seriously. Don't do this.

Im not claiming that Celtic don't have issues with a segment of their support. But the sheer volume of vile, disgusting individuals that populate the Rangers support is difficult to fathom!

I challenge anyone who disagree's to read back over that catologue of shameful behaviour and try to disprove any of it. Rangers usually prefer to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this kind of thing simply dosen't happen. Or else they try and pathetically claim it was all Celtic's fault.

The reality is (and most genuine football fans around Europe will probably know) that Rangers supporters are universally despised because of their degenerate behaviour down through the years. On the other hand, Celtic fans have won awards for their behaviour and are known world wide for their exemplary conduct.

In 2003, Celtic brought 70,000 fans to Seville. Did they thrash the place like Rangers did in Manchester? Of course not.

Many people, the scottish media in particular love to put Celtic in the same bracket as Rangers. It usually occurs when Rangers are the subject of negative publicity. This "one is as bad as the other" nonsense is actually laughable. Nothing could be further from the truth. Thats not paranoia, it's a fact!!

Incidentally, here's an article from the Boston Globe from 2 days ago.

What, exactly, don't you understand about this being an architecture forum and this being a stadium thread?

If you want to talk tedious Old Firm shite, I'm quite sure that there are countless opportunities for you to do so elsewhere on the worldwide web. It's not welcome here.

Is that clear enough for you?

Now........do you have anything to say about Ibrox stadium that isn't tainted by your prejudice against Rangers?

This is directed at Dignity FC ,this particular forum is about stadiums if you wanna harp on about rangers fans/supporters and their behaviour then find another forum ok.

I have little interest with either of the Old Firm, or Scottish football but no matter what you say about Rangers Dignity FC, singing IRA songs during the Remembrance Day minute's silence is as low as you can possibly get IMO.

Dignity FC
If you just want to talk about Rangers / football etc you can open a thread at the skybar.

So please back to the topic.

I can't wait to get ticket to the Boston Old Firm game. With that said..... Ibrox is amazing.

I have little interest with either of the Old Firm, or Scottish football but no matter what you say about Rangers Dignity FC, singing IRA songs during the Remembrance Day minute's silence is as low as you can possibly get IMO.

As low as you can get eh? Clearly you've never heard the vile, disgusting "song's" that are sung at Ibrox. Or maybe you'd just prefer to ignore them. Don't let your prejudices get in the way of the truth. :ohno:

If you had actually taken the time to read over the littany of offences posted on the previous page. You wouldn't have come out with such a ridiculously stupid comment.

What a silly individual you are!

That is all!!

^^^^^^^^

Ban?

He's been told often enough.

http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/banstick.gif

As low as you can get eh? Clearly you've never heard the vile, disgusting "song's" that are sung at Ibrox. Or maybe you'd just prefer to ignore them. Don't let your prejudices get in the way of the truth. :ohno:

If you had actually taken the time to read over the littany of offences posted on the previous page. You wouldn't have come out with such a ridiculously stupid comment.

What a silly individual you are!

That is all!!

I have no doubt both sets of songs are just as disgusting but to it on Remembrance Sunday is completely across the line. These sicko thugs can't even respect those who died for them and their country.

Right, now ban this muppet! :lol:

I think it's only fair that forum members from outside of Scotland etc, know what this club stands for. Don't you?I think it only fair that forum members in Scotland understand your vitriol is the reason neither Rangers nor Celtic will ever be allowed into the English Premier League. Don't you?

Back on topic. I can remember when Ibrox was held up as the all-seater example for others to follow. It was certainly a total contrast to Parkhead at the time. Sitting in the stands was like being in another world to a tourist like myself. It seems strange to want to rip it down and start again so soon.

I think it only fair that forum members in Scotland understand your vitriol is the reason neither Rangers nor Celtic will ever be allowed into the English Premier League. Don't you?

Back on topic. I can remember when Ibrox was held up as the all-seater example for others to follow. It was certainly a total contrast to Parkhead at the time. Sitting in the stands was like being in another world to a tourist like myself. It seems strange to want to rip it down and start again so soon.

it wont happen as rangers are skint!! once britains richest club now potless.

Dignity FC you really are delusional aren't you a more suitable name for you in reference to the club you support would be victim FC 1888. Now go and have a word with yourself and grow up. I know it must hurt to be soundly beaten on the park when your more dominant and bitterest rivals are at there weakest but thats life. I could start mud slinging about celtic but I will re-frame from doing so as all your doing is damaging Scottish football now go and turn up at parkhead because crowds of 3000k and 18000k will not help lenny rebuild you first team.

Dignity FC you really are delusional aren't you a more suitable name for you in reference to the club you support would be victim FC 1888. Now go and have a word with yourself and grow up. I know it must hurt to be soundly beaten on the park when your more dominant and bitterest rivals are at there weakest but thats life. I could start mud slinging about celtic but I will re-frame from doing so as all your doing is damaging Scottish football now go and turn up at parkhead because crowds of 3000k and 18000k will not help lenny rebuild you first team.

Dignity FC is right!

All this moral equivalence is pure nonsense. Rangers FC commit more sectarian violence than Celtic - FACT. Since Rangers honours the 'union jack' and it's protestant culture, they detest Celtic FC since they are perceived as the catholic team. The reformation in Britain gave rise to a legitimate anti-catholic culture which Rangers uses to full affect.

Rangers are an infinitely more prejudice side than Celtic. Let's stop trying to say both of them are equal in terms of sectarian violence - a brain-dead monkey knows Celtic is a far more respected and less violent team.

>Celtic go to Seville in 99 - they are loved!
>Rangers go to Manchester in 2008 - they become hated for their criminal behaviour!

Just sayin'........

Oh, and for all the Celtic FC haters who will respond with how "wrong" I am, yeah, keep on distorting the truth.Here's a wee link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3941459.ece

Regards xx

Dignity FC is right!

All this moral equivalence is pure nonsense. Rangers FC commit more sectarian violence than Celtic - FACT. Since Rangers honours the 'union jack' and it's protestant culture, they detest Celtic FC since they are perceived as the catholic team. The reformation in Britain gave rise to a legitimate anti-catholic culture which Rangers uses to full affect.

Rangers are an infinitely more prejudice side than Celtic. Let's stop trying to say both of them are equal in terms of sectarian violence - a brain-dead monkey knows Celtic is a far more respected and less violent team.

>Celtic go to Seville in 99 - they are loved!
>Rangers go to Manchester in 2008 - they become hated for their criminal behaviour!

Just sayin'........

Oh, and for all the Celtic FC haters who will respond with how "wrong" I am, yeah, keep on distorting the truth.Here's a wee link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article3941459.ece

Regards xx

No. Let's not.

Let's stop trolling and posting Old Firm shite on a stadium thread on an architecture website.

There are countless places on the www where either side of the Old Firm divide can knock seven shades of cyber shit out of each other. That's where the kind of discussion that you want to have belongs. Not here.

No. Let's not.

Let's stop trolling and posting Old Firm shite on a stadium thread on an architecture website.

There are countless places on the www where either side of the Old Firm divide can knock seven shades of cyber shit out of each other. That's where the kind of discussion that you want to have belongs. Not here.

It wasn't trolling - it was a response to several comments made regarding the topic of sectarian violence etc.

Regarding Ibrox stadium - it is a lovely stadium. Archibald Leitch's facade on the main stand is architecturally really beautiful.

Lots of stadium look great on the inside but are nothing more than an erector set on the outside. Ibrox truly looks fantastic all around.

Rangers FC commit more sectarian violence than Celtic - FACT.

Read all the articles and statistics you like but you can't prove that.

My only point was about a recent event that the entire UK should have found extremely insulting. I don't think anything was done about it either.

Read all the articles and statistics you like but you can't prove that.

My only point was about a recent event that the entire UK should have found extremely insulting. I don't think anything was done about it either.

You can't prove statistics? Erm, that's what statistics are for- factual evidence. Let's stop all this apologist stuff for Rangers FC who have the biggest sectarian problem in British football. What next, Islam doesn't have a terrorist problem? lol.

Until we get to the root cause of their sectarianism, we will always have it as a problem and blight on our society.

Anyway, Ibrox is still a lovely stadium.

erm... islam doesnt actually have a terrorist problem. the world has problems with terrorists. some of which are muslim, some of which are irish, some of which are spanish, and some of which are tamil, some of which are from various african countries.

back to topic, i think ibrox looks nice. as does ewood and villa park. grounds like that have far more character than bowls do these days. i mean ive never been to the emirates, but ive been to the new wembley, and lets be honest there wont be much of a difference will there?

i think people should be celebrating grounds of the past. i mean its bin said already, that you cant bleat on about the past and not build a new ground or upgrade an old one for sentimental reasons, but i do think that these old grounds should be celebrated.

take Valencias mestalla for example

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its ugly as sin BUT with banks as steep as that, and mis-matched stand, they will be hard pushed to get as much of an atmosphere at their new bowl.


and regards to celtic and glasgow being in the premier league... i do kind of like the idea in a way (if im being honest with myself) BUT and this is a very big BUT... there is one hell of a difference bewteen playing Kilmarnok and Hearts and playing in the premier league week in week out. i mean take cardiff and swansea. biggest clubs in whales and they have hardly set english football on fire have they??

altho rangers probably would set english football on fire... and not in the preverbial sense either hahaha! only joooookin!!

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Rangers 0-1 Manchester U.

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A truly incredible stadium

See folks? They're both doing it, they're standing! The Brits should give up this silly rule and put in standing areas, and give the fans what they want.

very good and legendary stadium :) Do they have plan to expand it?

See folks? They're both doing it, they're standing! The Brits should give up this silly rule and put in standing areas, and give the fans what they want.
And this means that you are too young to remember the stacks of dead bodies caused by the standing areas?

Germany have standing areas in many of their grounds and they don't have disasters. Moments like Hillsborough can easily be avoided. If anything, it's pretty dangerous having a group of people standing around seats.

Germany have standing areas in many of their grounds and they don't have disasters. Moments like Hillsborough can easily be avoided. If anything, it's pretty dangerous having a group of people standing around seats.
That's why in the US, if you spend your time standing and blocking people behind you, they throw you out. Standing just to stand is kind of a stupid concept.

It isn't if:

1. Everyone behind you is standing.
2. Everyone wants to stand

The US has a history of no roofs on it's football stadiums. Europe has a history of standing. The FA should realise that it is possible to have a standing area and be safe.

Standing room is a lost cause. Even if fans want it, you have to ask yourself why the clubs would free up that many cheaper tickets. Doesn't really work well when you're trying to create scarcity.

Eh, standing areas theoretically would have more people than seating areas, mitigating losses. They'd be popular too which means you wouldn't lose that much revenue with empty seats. And for English clubs who fail to fill seats, they'd do well do open up a few areas for cheaper seats anyway. I don't think this is the issue, it's more legal and security issues. But the FA are being pansies about this, ultimately if the FA used their brains they could make it work.

very good and legendary stadium :) Do they have plan to expand it?

At present there are no real plans to increase the capacity in any way. Our current owner has no interest in anything other than selling the club, and a takeover should be completed very soon (I really REALLY hope anyway! It's been so long in the pipeline!), the priority will be to clear our bank debt and to invest in our threadbare playing squad.

The stadium work which will begin soon after a takeover is completed will merely be remedial work, internally and externally. Stuff like piping needs replaced, screening at the sides of the Copland Road and Broomloan Road stands needs cleaned or replaced, the food kiosks are due to be ripped out and replaced and upgraded, and general upkeep that has been put on hold the past few years as we have inexplicably been downsized in order to deal with our debt, which for the size of club we are and our income level, shouldnt have been so bad to deal with.

Right now though, I can't see any major development to the ground structurally in the next decade. The screens (which need replaced and don't work) can't simply be taken out and replaced with seating as to do this we would need to replace the whole roof, which would be hugely expensive to do.

Sorry for the bump but does anyone have any photos of the stadium as it was being reconstructed, particularly the main stand?