well 15 days than...but when we brought a Belgian tourist to Iran she was given a 20 day visa :)

I just looked at the Wikipedia articles for some other countries passports, and Armenians can stay in Iran for 21 days, Azerbaijanis 30 days, etc., so it obviously varies by country, I will go to the Iranian embassy in Zagreb and ask them.

but it could be possible no? ^^
Why they would resort to smuggling those I don't know b/c as you say, you can get almost anything you want over there (my cousin in Isfahan used to call this Armenian guy and within 15 minutes he would be knocking with a case of Corona lol).

I'm sure the story was true. Anyways it seem it's quite common to smuggle alcohol from everywhere into Iran ;) Good!

I'm sure the story was true. Anyways it seem it's quite common to smuggle alcohol from everywhere into Iran ;) Good!

lol I don't know when alcohol was first made but it was prolly in or around Iran and people have been drinking for thousands of years. These mullahs think that they can stop people from drinking! :lol:
Good luck mother fukas

lol I don't know when alcohol was first made but it was prolly in or around Iran and people have been drinking for thousands of years. These mullahs think that they can stop people from drinking! :lol:
Good luck mother fukas

the first wine and bear presses in the world were discovered in the zagros mountains, and in georgia

I'm sure the story was true. Anyways it seem it's quite common to smuggle alcohol from everywhere into Iran ;) Good!

did u read my long response ?

Do foreigners who buy real estate in Iran get an permanent residence permit?

Do foreigners who buy real estate in Iran get an permanent residence permit?

nope.

nope.

Do they get any kind of permit? Like that renewable 1 year one?

Do they get any kind of permit? Like that renewable 1 year one?

I'm not sure about this one but about a permanent residence permit I'm sure and I know that the answer is no.

OK, sepas.:)

^^ Xahesh mikonam.

my uncle lives in Aria-shahr but he says the internet quality he uses is really bad.He uses Asia-tech but in the same time I have a friend which lives in another place(Tajrish if I'm right) and he is OK with the same ISP.the whole internet isn't very good in Aria-Shahr or there is a better suggestion for my uncle?

The distance between the end user and the telephone exchange can make a big difference to the average & max speed. A drastic solution would be to move to a neighborhood closer to an exchange lol...

What time of year do you guys think is the best one to visit Iran? I am going to get a new (biometric) passport tomorrow (without the Israeli stamp in it like my current one), so I can visit Iran whenever I want to.:happy:

What time of year do you guys think is the best one to visit Iran? I am going to get a new (biometric) passport tomorrow (without the Israeli stamp in it like my current one), so I can visit Iran whenever I want to.:happy:

Just don't go during Muharram (religious holidays) or Ramadan.

^^+1

Hello everyone,:)

Are there any African students studying in Iran?

I also read that there are Afro-Iranians but they don't go to the cities because of racism. True?

Lastly, I am a female so If I want to visit Iran do I have to cover up?

Hello everyone,:)

Are there any African students studying in Iran?

I also read that there are Afro-Iranians but they don't go to the cities because of racism. True?

Lastly, I am a female so If I want to visit Iran do I have to cover up?

there are, not many, but some do, usually from muslim or central african countries

there are very very few afro-persians, mostly living in the south of iran, they dont move likely because they already have jobs in the south etc, they are so little that racism cant be a cause

and unfortunentaly yes u need to cover up until the ****** leave our country :)

Just don't go during Muharram (religious holidays) or Ramadan.

OK, thanks.

^^+1

+ 1000000000000
whatever you do ranger, DON'T go during ramadan lmao

Hello everyone,:)

Are there any African students studying in Iran?

I also read that there are Afro-Iranians but they don't go to the cities because of racism. True?

Lastly, I am a female so If I want to visit Iran do I have to cover up?


I think people are more curious than racist in Iran. We have so many different faces that people couldn't be racist even if they wanted to (when there is racism it has more to do with cultural/ethnic differences than skin color/facial features etc...).

And yeah unfortunately females have to cover up thanks to our wonderful Islamic regime :bash:

Thanks SoroushPersepolisi and Nimaa for your answers.:)

I'm reading this book
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2312/2133137025_98a965f7d8.jpg
anybody know if this book this for sale in Iran?
It's true in Iran,many people know about the american coup and fall of Mossadegh?

I'm reading this book

anybody know if this book this for sale in Iran?
It's true in Iran,many people know about the american coup and fall of Mossadegh?

idunkno if that book is sold legally, its most certainly is available

and most people know he was a national hero and it wasa huge historic event

^^
but they know who was overthrown by a american coup?
some resentment towards the U.S. for that?

everyone knows about the Operation Ajax in Iran. It is taught in history books in high school and the whole oil nationalization and Its consequences consist 3 or 4 chapters in high school history textbooks.
common people usually think that the Great Britain overthrew Mosaddeq because in fact what Mosaddeq did was the nationalization of Anglo-Persian Petroleum company which directly hurt the Britain not the USA but in fact MI6 requested the CIA to cooperate with them and the CIA overthrew Mosaddegh in an operation code named Ajax which is known as 28 Mordad Coup in Iran.

in Iran people have mixed emotions toward the USA. the people who highly oppose the regime usually have positive ideas about the USA, but people who are better educated see the USA as the main reason behind all the mess that happened to Iran and some people say that the overthrow of Mosaddeq was the main factor that helped the Mullahs gain power by public support. the Basijis and regime supporters hate the USA even if they are not educated and don't know why they hate the USA. lol

although in text books they try to make mossadeq as small as they can, and instead bring this mullah called kashani for all the work, nobody really buys it and most know its pure bs

and lol @ ur second paragraph :)

the reason that Americans help the Brits to overthrow mossadegh was that Eisenhower was told that mossadegh is a "Communist" and that communist are taking over iran.

they aren't Kurdish for sure.I'm sure some consider themselves as Persian but some could exist that don't.But in general Lurs don't bother such nationalism stuff

The Lak are Kurds, lurs are not Persian, they say their a different ethnicity and to be honest it's up to them to decide what they are.

and they say they are persian, i kno loads of lors

and not all are lak, lak lors are a small group of them, they might be kurds, but most lors especially those in ahvaz etc know themselves persians , and they are

and they say they are persian, i kno loads of lors

and not all are lak, lak lors are a small group of them, they might be kurds, but most lors especially those in ahvaz etc know themselves persians , and they are

The lak speak sorani Kurdish, so they are Kurdish, not 'might be'. all I know is that every Lur I met said they are Iranian Lur, not Persian.

who cares what they are we are all iranians

The lak speak sorani Kurdish, so they are Kurdish, not 'might be'. all I know is that every Lur I met said they are Iranian Lur, not Persian.

I don't know if they speak Surani Kurdish or not, I mean in fact I don't know who Laks are to be honest, maybe they are a different ethnic within the Lurs but the Lurs that I know consider themselves Persian and the Luri language they speak is pretty much close to the Persian language and is way different in comparison to the Kurdish language. I can even send you Luri songs and you'll notice that the language they speak is a variant of Persian and is much closer to Persian than Kurdish.

I don't know if they speak Surani Kurdish or not, I mean in fact I don't know who Laks are to be honest, maybe they are a different ethnic within the Lurs but the Lurs that I know consider themselves Persian and the Luri language they speak is pretty much close to the Persian language and is way different in comparison to the Kurdish language. I can even send you Luri songs and you'll notice that the language they speak is a variant of Persian and is much closer to Persian than Kurdish.

I didn't say Lur are Kurdish, I said Lur is Lur, I know and have heard, infact I can send you videos of the Laki language, it's exactly like the sorani dialect, I can understand it word by word.

There are a million Laks.

^^ Oh then I misunderstood you. but the Luri language is very close to the Persian language. I guess you know some Persian cuz If I remember you correctly you said you lived in some Iranian city when you were a child, so if you know Persian you can see how the Luri language is close to Persian.

a Luri song by Rostak:

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You don't understand what I'm saying, there is a reason they are called lur and not Persians, and regardless of similarities between the two languages, for example Kurdish and baluchi are very close doesn't mean Baluch are Kurds. Laki are Kurds.

sure there is a reason that they are called lur but not Persian. but if they consider themselves Persian and they speak a language which is very similar to Persian and may even be considered a dialect of Persian then why should we insist that they are not Persian?

the Kurdish race is not close to the Baluchi. Kurds are usually light-skinned but Baluchis are dark-skinned. their appearances look pretty different.

sure there is a reason that they are called lur but not Persian. but if they consider themselves Persian and they speak a language which is very similar to Persian and may even be considered a dialect of Persian then why should we insist that they are not Persian?

the Kurdish race is not close to the Baluchi. Kurds are usually light-skinned but Baluchis are dark-skinned. their appearances look pretty different.

Seriously all the lurs I have met stated to me that they are Lurs, but if you met others that is fine, non of us can make claims without accurate and reliable data which is not available, so I'll agree to disagree.

Skin colour does not determine ones roots, skin will always change colour to adopt to it's surrounding, the Baluch in Pakistan especially claim Kurdish ancestry and infact, I've been looking at the names of their tribes, and they match Kurdish tribes, they however moved there thousands of years ago which is why their appearance has changed, I said 'Kurdish' and 'Baluchi' are similar meaning the languages, and it's a fact that Baluchi is the closest language to Kurdish.

As freddy said earlier, the Lurs in Iran are not so much into nationalistic stuff. generally nationalistic stuff are usually popular among the ethnics that live close to a country's borders.

Yea, skin color is not the best example but language is not a good example either. language changes even faster than the skin color of a race. anyway, I think Freddy gave the best answer to that question. Lurs don't care about nationalism and maybe that's why most of them consider themselves Persian, at least inside Iran. maybe the Lurs you've talked to were different because they lived outside of Iran.

As freddy said earlier, the Lurs in Iran are not so much into nationalistic stuff. generally nationalistic stuff are usually popular among the ethnics that live close to a country's borders.

Yea, skin color is not the best example but language is not a good example either. language changes even faster than the skin color of a race. anyway, I think Freddy gave the best answer to that question. Lurs don't care about nationalism and maybe that's why most of them consider themselves Persian, at least inside Iran. maybe the Lurs you've talked to were different because they lived outside of Iran.

Don't be so sure, I've visited Iran, where Kurds and Lurs live closely and that is what I'm basing my opinion, in fact I don't know any Lurs in the UK, you are just generalizing everyone and saying 'no wonder they consider themselves to be Persian' but you can't make a statement like that without backing it up with scientific data, which is why I'm telling you I'll agree to accept both of our opinions.

I know for sure that the Laki consider themselves to be Kurdish, the rest of the Lurs I won't comment on. There are off course the fayli 'lurs' too, and they are 100% Kurds, becuase there are fayli in Iraqi Kurdistan too.

The baluchi language is very similar to the Kurdish one, and I read on some baluchi websites that Baluch and Kurds are of the same people and I like you did not believe it, so I then researched it a bit and found out that many of the baluchi tribes are identical to the Kurdish ones, infact they too have a 'Barzani' tribe, they even have a Tribe called 'Kurd'

everyone knows about the Operation Ajax in Iran. It is taught in history books in high school and the whole oil nationalization and Its consequences consist 3 or 4 chapters in high school history textbooks.
common people usually think that the Great Britain overthrew Mosaddeq because in fact what Mosaddeq did was the nationalization of Anglo-Persian Petroleum company which directly hurt the Britain not the USA but in fact MI6 requested the CIA to cooperate with them and the CIA overthrew Mosaddegh in an operation code named Ajax which is known as 28 Mordad Coup in Iran.

in Iran people have mixed emotions toward the USA. the people who highly oppose the regime usually have positive ideas about the USA, but people who are better educated see the USA as the main reason behind all the mess that happened to Iran and some people say that the overthrow of Mosaddeq was the main factor that helped the Mullahs gain power by public support. the Basijis and regime supporters hate the USA even if they are not educated and don't know why they hate the USA. lol

thanks:cheers:

although in text books they try to make mossadeq as small as they can, and instead bring this mullah called kashani for all the work, nobody really buys it and most know its pure bs

and lol @ ur second paragraph :)

the reason that Americans help the Brits to overthrow mossadegh was that Eisenhower was told that mossadegh is a "Communist" and that communist are taking over iran.

:yes:

The lak speak sorani Kurdish, so they are Kurdish, not 'might be'. all I know is that every Lur I met said they are Iranian Lur, not Persian.

i know thats bullshit because we never even say what group we are from whn ppl ask us we just say we are persian/iranian nobody gives a textbook answer like "iranian lur"

most of my junubi friends are lor all say persian so even if u tear urself up behind a pc screen nobody gives a damn we are what we are nobody can change us

I don't know if they speak Surani Kurdish or not, I mean in fact I don't know who Laks are to be honest, maybe they are a different ethnic within the Lurs but the Lurs that I know consider themselves Persian and the Luri language they speak is pretty much close to the Persian language and is way different in comparison to the Kurdish language. I can even send you Luri songs and you'll notice that the language they speak is a variant of Persian and is much closer to Persian than Kurdish.

lori is persian, its the same yekam lahje daran like bejaye "mi-ram" migan "mirom"

i know thats bullshit because we never even say what group we are from whn ppl ask us we just say we are persian/iranian nobody gives a textbook answer like "iranian lur"

most of my junubi friends are lor all say persian so even if u tear urself up behind a pc screen nobody gives a damn we are what we are nobody can change us

Persian nationalist are so funny, no body in Iran sais they are fars unless they are fars, if one is a lur one sais he is lur, if one is an Azeri one sais he is an Azeri, if one is a Kurd one sais he is a Kurd, if one is an Arab one sais he is an Arab etc, and your labeling lurs as Persians is nothing but your own nationalistic agenda and it's not true and infact your meaningless word will not change anything.

There are a couple branches of Lurs and they have different dialect, for example the Lak speak Kurdish (Sorani), the same goes for the faili.

Persian nationalist are so funny, no body in Iran sais they are fars unless they are fars, if one is a lur one sais he is lur, if one is an Azeri one sais he is an Azeri, if one is a Kurd one sais he is a Kurd, if one is an Arab one sais he is an Arab etc, and your labeling lurs as Persians is nothing but your own nationalistic agenda and it's not true and infact your meaningless word will not change anything.

There are a couple branches of Lurs and they have different dialect, for example the Lak speak Kurdish (Sorani), the same goes for the faili.

look whos talking about nationalism haha

your blind, why? because most of me is azari so wtf u saying

"nationalistic agenda" what a joke, you nationalists honestly are so paranoid

Persian nationalist are so funny, no body in Iran sais they are fars unless they are fars, if one is a lur one sais he is lur, if one is an Azeri one sais he is an Azeri, if one is a Kurd one sais he is a Kurd, if one is an Arab one sais he is an Arab etc, and your labeling lurs as Persians is nothing but your own nationalistic agenda and it's not true and infact your meaningless word will not change anything.

There are a couple branches of Lurs and they have different dialect, for example the Lak speak Kurdish (Sorani), the same goes for the faili.

first of all there is no such a thing as a Persian nationalist, second of all lurs, and almost all the other ethnic groups that live in Iran are IRANIC people, it does NOT matter if we are Persian or etc... we are all iranic people . and you know this is 21 century it`s stupid to talk about race, all the people are mixed.

first of all there is no such a thing as a Persian nationalist, second of all lurs, and almost all the other ethnic groups that live in Iran are IRANIC people, it does NOT matter if we are Persian or etc... we are all iranic people . and you know this is 21 century it`s stupid to talk about race, all the people are mixed.

If you go up a little bit you'll see that I stated that they are IRANIAN lurs, and not Iranian persians as other here are suggesting.

Here we go again :blahblah:

If you go up a little bit you'll see that I stated that they are IRANIAN lurs, and not Iranian persians as other here are suggesting.

lurs are Persians

"Ethnologists classify the Lurs as aboriginal Persians. Their language forms a dialect of Persian and does not differ materially from Persian. It is a fact that the Lurs do not consider themselves as Kurds and in most present-day maps, Luristan is not attached to Kurdistan.[2]"

now give it a rest

lurs are Persians

"Ethnologists classify the Lurs as aboriginal Persians. Their language forms a dialect of Persian and does not differ materially from Persian. It is a fact that the Lurs do not consider themselves as Kurds and in most present-day maps, Luristan is not attached to Kurdistan.[2]"

now give it a rest

:lol:

You forgot to get rid of the [2] :lol: I seriously can't take that paragraph seriously becuase there is no need to mention it, seeing how I did not say the Lurs are Kurds, they however are not Persian either. If Lurs were Persian they would simply be called Persian and not Luri.

The fact that you looked up on Wikipedia shows that you have no knowledge what-soever in regards to the Luri people.

There are at least two types of 'Lurs' that I'm sure are Kurdish becuase they speak Sorani, which is the same dialect I speak and I can understand it fully, these are the Laki and fayli that also live in Iraqi Kurdistan (shia Kurds)

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_lang_family.asp?code=lki

:lol:

You forgot to get rid of the [2] :lol: I seriously can't take that paragraph seriously becuase there is no need to mention it, seeing how I did not say the Lurs are Kurds, they however are not Persian either. If Lurs were Persian they would simply be called Persian and not Luri.

The fact that you looked up on Wikipedia shows that you have no knowledge what-soever in regards to the Luri people.

There are at least two types of 'Lurs' that I'm sure are Kurdish becuase they speak Sorani, which is the same dialect I speak and I can understand it fully, these are the Laki and fayli that also live in Iraqi Kurdistan (shia Kurds)

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_lang_family.asp?code=lki

dude stop okay lurs are kurds happy now. why do you care ?!

dude stop okay lurs are kurds happy now. why do you care ?!

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated that Lurs are Lurs, not Kurds or Persians, and although people like to associate Laks with Lurs, they are actually Kurds. It's obvious that people can't differentiate between Iranian and Persian here.

do you guys know why the regim has arrested pegah ahngarani ?! i can`t believe she is in jail my Favorite actress

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4633/26350418157145857452013.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/26350418157145857452013.jpg/)

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated that Lurs are Lurs, not Kurds or Persians, and although people like to associate Laks with Lurs, they are actually Kurds. It's obvious that people can't differentiate between Iranian and Persian here.

yeah okay whatever i said what i have to say i`m done

velesh kon yaruo divunas lol

rasti shenidam ke gerftanesh :(

velesh kon yaruo divunas lol

rasti shenidam ke gerftanesh :(

So I'm crazy becuase I approached with facts? I see your level of education is very high.

Persians are Iranians and Iranians are Persian, stop with the ethnic issue, if so, than 80% of the people in the world are from more than 10 countries....I mean like, I am Iranian but my great, great, great, great grand-father could easly be chinese or spanish, idk....I mean get it straight, it doesn't matter, if you live in Iran and you have an Iranian passport, you are an Iranian, and also a Persian....end of discussion!

Persians are Iranians and Iranians are Persian, stop with the ethnic issue, if so, than 80% of the people in the world are from more than 10 countries....I mean like, I am Iranian but my great, great, great, great grand-father could easly be chinese or spanish, idk....I mean get it straight, it doesn't matter, if you live in Iran and you have an Iranian passport, you are an Iranian, and also a Persian....end of discussion!

Persian, an ethnic group forms part of the Indo-Aryan race or in other words Iranian. Iranian does not equal Persian, becuase Persian is just a small part of the Iranian language group.

If you are Iranian, doesn't make you Persian, you can be an Arab and an Iranian, doesn't make you Persian.

There is no confusion here, just some nationalist Kids that can't differentiate between nationality and ethnicity.

Kurd123, Do you understand what people have been trying to tell you indirectly in the last few posts? I wonder if you have ever noticed it.

^^@Kurd123
like I said I don't care....
Iran and Persia, both names are correct, which means Iranians are Persians, either you like it or not, second, Persia was bigger than Shiraz and Isfahan only....so people from Khorasan, Tehran, Hormozgan are also Persians, why? it was part of the Persian empire, and still part of Iran/Persia....well how do you prove that I am not a Persian, maybe my great, great, great, great grandparent were, but moved to Masshad for example, idk....so your point doesn't make sense, it's not logic, all Iranians live with the Persian culture, all people in Iran are educated in Persian, so I don't understand your problem, and every Iranian is proud of his Persian history...now it doesn't matter if he is from the north, south, west or east....what I also don't understand, why Kurds always bring up these things, I mean what do you care....I can also say that Kurds, are ethnicly all Turkish and Arabs, but you see I don't because it doesn't matter for me...you can't test 75 million people on there ethnicity, now you can bring statics, but be sure they can never be correct ;)

Kurd123, Do you understand what people have been trying to tell you indirectly in the last few posts? I wonder if you have ever noticed it.

What is that?

^^@Kurd123
like I said I don't care....
Iran and Persia, both names are correct, which means Iranians are Persians, either you like it or not, second, Persia was bigger than Shiraz and Isfahan only....so people from Khorasan, Tehran, Hormozgan are also Persians, why? it was part of the Persian empire, and still part of Iran/Persia....well how do you prove that I am not a Persian, maybe my great, great, great, great grandparent were, but moved to Masshad for example, idk....so your point doesn't make sense, it's not logic, all Iranians live with the Persian culture, all people in Iran are educated in Persian, so I don't understand your problem, and every Iranian is proud of his Persian history...now it doesn't matter if he is from the north, south, west or east....what I also don't understand, why Kurds always bring up these things, I mean what do you care....I can also say that Kurds, are ethnicly all Turkish and Arabs, but you see I don't because it doesn't matter for me...you can't test 75 million people on there ethnicity, now you can bring statics, but be sure they can never be correct ;)

Ok you obviously have no knowledge in regards to Irans history otherwise you'd know that after the median-Persian union the new empire 'Iran' was not only ruled by Persians but by several other groups, and I seriously suggest that you read some history books even if its a book named 'for dummies' as it will help you, believe me.

I did not say your not Persian, why would that concern me? I'm talking about facts which is:

Iranian is a name given to all the people that speak an Indo-Iranic language which is a branch of the Indo-European tree, so for Persians, Kurds, Lurs, Tajiks, Pashtuns, Baluch and others all speak and Iranic language, so if someone is Iranian that doesn't make them Persian.

Every Iranian is proud of their Iranian history, not of their Persian history becuase not all Iranians are Persians and although the western countries called Iran 'Persia' Iranians always refereed to Iran as Iran after the union between the Iranic people which began after the fall of the Median empire.

You could say kurds are ethnically Turk or Arab, but 'could' is a powerful word, I mean I could say I traveled back in time yesterday, doesn't make it true.

your completely missing his point kurd123

What is that?

They are trying to politely and indirectly tell you that your inputs here are not welcomed. you can keep them for yourself and you can spread it in your Iraqi forum, that's up to you, but please don't troll the topic and deviate it. the thread is about questions about Iran not giving a speech about your ideas about Iran.
and sometimes your inputs are ridiculous, like just in your previous post that you said although the western countries called Iran 'Persia' Iranians always refereed to Iran as Iraq after the union between the Iranic people which began after the fall of the Median empire. Unless this was a typo.

Thanks for understanding.

its not a typo, the letter "q" is nowhere close to "n" on the keyboard

Off course it's a typo, I type Iraq a lot, and I type fast.

I don't care if my input is not wanted, a question was asked, and people gave false information and so I just corrected it.

well, you said your opinion and people heard it. now please stop deviating the thread. thanks for understanding.

Ok you obviously have no knowledge in regards to Irans history otherwise you'd know that after the median-Persian union the new empire 'Iran' was not only ruled by Persians but by several other groups, and I seriously suggest that you read some history books even if its a book named 'for dummies' as it will help you, believe me.

I did not say your not Persian, why would that concern me? I'm talking about facts which is:

Iranian is a name given to all the people that speak an Indo-Iranic language which is a branch of the Indo-European tree, so for Persians, Kurds, Lurs, Tajiks, Pashtuns, Baluch and others all speak and Iranic language, so if someone is Iranian that doesn't make them Persian.

Every Iranian is proud of their Iranian history, not of their Persian history becuase not all Iranians are Persians and although the western countries called Iran 'Persia' Iranians always refereed to Iran as Iran after the union between the Iranic people which began after the fall of the Median empire.

You could say kurds are ethnically Turk or Arab, but 'could' is a powerful word, I mean I could say I traveled back in time yesterday, doesn't make it true.
well maybe you should read some historic books, I don't care about medic people and I don't want to! you got that one I hope... we are not talking about the Persian empire here! get yourself an atlas and you will see what I mean, it's only about 15 dollars, not much!
well even during the Persian empire Iranians/Persian whatever you like called Persia Iran,
well if Iranians are not persians, who is than?? you tell me, oh no wait, maybe Kurds are! oh yes!!! people like you really annoy me! well which history has Iran than if it's not the Persian??? the chinese maybe, it's really funny that I'm arguing about my own culture with a kurd, a non-Iranian, don't tell me you know more about Iran than me, because that's BS! well bravo, than your point isn't true either, you can say Persians are not Iranians but that doesn't mean it's true, but my dear, if you want so, I can give it to you: kurds are mostly all arabs and Turks, why they all live in these countries, because you don't have one...and no I am not a racist, I am just reacting like you, and stop arguing with me now, before I shut my mouth open! jeez.

well maybe you should read some historic books, I don't care about medic people and I don't want to! you got that one I hope... we are not talking about the Persian empire here! get yourself an atlas and you will see what I mean, it's only about 15 dollars, not much!
well even during the Persian empire Iranians/Persian whatever you like called Persia Iran,
well if Iranians are not persians, who is than?? you tell me, oh no wait, maybe Kurds are! oh yes!!! people like you really annoy me! well which history has Iran than if it's not the Persian??? the chinese maybe, it's really funny that I'm arguing about my own culture with a kurd, a non-Iranian, don't tell me you know more about Iran than me, because that's BS! well bravo, than your point isn't true either, you can say Persians are not Iranians but that doesn't mean it's true, but my dear, if you want so, I can give it to you: kurds are mostly all arabs and Turks, why they all live in these countries, because you don't have one...and no I am not a racist, I am just reacting like you, and stop arguing with me now, before I shut my mouth open! jeez.

I can not possibly begin to explain anything to you if you can not differentiate between Iranian and Persian, I mean that is the basis of the argument and it's pretty simple too, so I don't know how I could possibly make it any simpler... this is amazing, I have never encountered such a stubborn and ignorant person...wow...

I will try one last time....

Persians ARE Iranian
all other indo-Aryan speak people including (Lurs, Kurds, Baluch, Tajik, Pashtun etc) ARE also Iranian
Therefore you can BE Iranian and NOT Persian

:bash:

^^
why do you think that? because Shiraz and isfahan are located in the so called Fars province or because, Persepolis is located in Shiraz?? your point doesn't make sense, Tajik and Pashtu people doesn't even belong to the country Iran, Kurds either...we are not talking about them!
than you have the Baluchi and Lurs, they are minorities but so what who cares about ethnicity all Iranians belong to the great Persia and Iran it once was!

^^
why do you think that? because Shiraz and isfahan are located in the so called Fars province or because, Persepolis is located in Shiraz?? your point doesn't make sense, Tajik and Pashtu people doesn't even belong to the country Iran, Kurds either...we are not talking about them!
than you have the Baluchi and Lurs, they are minorities but so what who cares about ethnicity all Iranians belong to the great Persia and Iran it once was!

Oh dear god, I would have more luck reasoning with a brick wall!

Iranian is the nationality of Iran, but in fact Iran has existed long before that, and it's borders were (at its peak) bigger and some Iranians dream about greater Iran even today :lol:

Why don't you want to understand that 'Iranian' means anyone that speak and Indo-Aryan language? seriously what is so hard to get? there is no 'Persia' so nobody other than Persians can be Persians...

Some information:

The term Iranian is derived from the Old Iranian ethnical adjective Aryana which is itself a cognate of the Sanskrit word Arya. The name Iran is from Aryānām; lit: "[Land] of the Aryans". The old Proto-Indo-Iranian term Arya, per Thieme meaning "hospitable", is believed to have been one of the self-referential terms used by the Aryans, at least in the areas populated by Aryans who migrated south from Central Asia. Another meaning for Aryan is noble. In the late part of the Avesta (Vendidad 1) one of their homelands was referred to as Airyanem Vaejah. The homeland varied in its geographic range, the area around Herat (Pliny's view) and even the entire expanse of the Iranian plateau (Strabo's designation).

In other word, while the Europeans called Iran 'Persia' the Iranian people always refereed to the empires as 'land of Aryans' or Iran.

why do we call germans germans? not all are germans, some are frank and some saxon, so why callthem all germans?

why dont we call them all deutsch?

Oh dear god, I would have more luck reasoning with a brick wall!

Iranian is the nationality of Iran, but in fact Iran has existed long before that, and it's borders were (at its peak) bigger and some Iranians dream about greater Iran even today :lol:

Why don't you want to understand that 'Iranian' means anyone that speak and Indo-Aryan language? seriously what is so hard to get? there is no 'Persia' so nobody other than Persians can be Persians...

Some information:

The term Iranian is derived from the Old Iranian ethnical adjective Aryana which is itself a cognate of the Sanskrit word Arya. The name Iran is from Aryānām; lit: "[Land] of the Aryans". The old Proto-Indo-Iranian term Arya, per Thieme meaning "hospitable", is believed to have been one of the self-referential terms used by the Aryans, at least in the areas populated by Aryans who migrated south from Central Asia. Another meaning for Aryan is noble. In the late part of the Avesta (Vendidad 1) one of their homelands was referred to as Airyanem Vaejah. The homeland varied in its geographic range, the area around Herat (Pliny's view) and even the entire expanse of the Iranian plateau (Strabo's designation).

In other word, while the Europeans called Iran 'Persia' the Iranian people always refereed to the empires as 'land of Aryans' or Iran.

It's true that Arian is a more general term and nowadays It's preferred to refer to a large group of Iranic people living in the Iranian plateau and some parts of Central Asia but the paragraph that I've underlined is pure B.S. in many periods of history, or one may say in most of the times, both Pre-Islamic history of Iran and Post-Islamic history of Iran, the country that we're living today now was called Persia. Not only by Iranians, but also by the Greeks, the Hindus, the Chinese, the Arabs, and later the Europeans. Arabs called Iran Faris/Fars. Why? If Iran has always been called Iran as you claim, then why even the Medieval Arabs called Iran Fars? They could've simply called it Iran like they do now

It's true that Arian is a more general term and nowadays It's preferred to refer to a large group of Iranic people living in the Iranian plateau and some parts of Central Asia but the paragraph that I've underlined is pure B.S. in many periods of history, or one may say in most of the times, both Pre-Islamic history of Iran and Post-Islamic history of Iran, the country that we're living today now was called Persia. Not only by Iranians, but also by the Greeks, the Hindus, the Chinese, the Arabs, and later the Europeans. Arabs called Iran Faris/Fars. Why? If Iran has always been called Iran as you claim, then why even the Medieval Arabs called Iran Fars? They could've simply called it Iran like they do now

I used to believe the same, until I met intellectuals on Iranian politics forums that informed me that the empires AFTER the union of the Iranic people was always refereed to as Iran by the Iranian people, notice that I'm not talking about 'Persia' that existed at the same time 'Media' existed, but after the domination of Media and the union between the Iranic people.

Your argument is not logical! lot's of people call others by different names, for example we call Greeks Yunani, we call Germans Almani... and like I said, others did refer to it as Persia, the Iranians did not.

^ exactly so in english we are called persians (currently its not official) but thats how it is

I used to believe the same, until I met intellectuals on Iranian politics forums that informed me that the empires AFTER the union of the Iranic people was always refereed to as Iran by the Iranian people, notice that I'm not talking about 'Persia' that existed at the same time 'Media' existed, but after the domination of Media and the union between the Iranic people.

Your argument is not logical! lot's of people call others by different names, for example we call Greeks Yunani, we call Germans Almani... and like I said, others did refer to it as Persia, the Iranians did not.

You met intellectuals on Iranian politics forums and they informed you about history of Iran?!

We call Greece Yunan because of Ionia, Germany is called Alman because of the union of Germanic tribes that were called Alamani. There are many documents in Iran that Iran has been called Persia in them even in Persian and It wasn't only limited to the Persians. for example Farisi was an Iranian scientist that was from Tabriz and as you see his surname is Farisi (That means "from Fars").
Kamal al-Din Hasan ibn Ali ibn Hasan Farisi [1][2][3] or Abu Hasan Muhammad ibn Hasan (1267– 12 January 1319,[4][5] long assumed to be 1320)[6]) (Persian: كمال*الدين فارسی) was a prominent Persian born in Tabriz, Iran. He made two major contributions to science, one on optics, the other on number theory. Farisi was a pupil of the great astronomer and mathematician Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi, who in turn was a pupil of Nasir al-Din Tusi.

I don't say that they always called Iran Persia, but you can find many historical periods during the history of Iran that Iran had been called Persia in them.

1. Are loans interest free in Iran?

2. What is the interest rate on savings in Iran?

^^ no

getting loans in iran is extremely difficult though, id rather "find money under rocks" as we say

im not sure what the interest is but its really high and it depends on the bank and plan like anywhere else

So, the Islamic Republic doesn't follow the laws of Islam?:lol:

they dont call it interest officially, they made up some bs name and title to "islamize" it , as we say "mas mali" meaning to dilute it and cover it up in a cheap and obvious manner lol

Soroush: After running the country for 3 decades they've understood that Islam is P.B.S when it comes to economics.(if I want to be polite and ignore that It's B.S in other fields too lol) How can they not take interest with an economy that its inflation is about 15% in average? :D If they don't take it then after 5 years all of our banks will be bankrupt lol

Oh my, islamic banking is the stupidest concept I ever read. The do exactly the same, but have to hide it behind other actions to be able to name it islam-comform. And it costs the banks and the customers a lot!

ikno its a joke honestly

and our inflation average is i think around 18% not 15 lol (i think we are the best at inflating in the world :lol:)

housing loans and mortgages etc are a killer

ikno its a joke honestly

and our inflation average is i think around 18% not 15 lol (i think we are the best at inflating in the world :lol:)

housing loans and mortgages etc are a killer

didn't they bring inflation down to 11-13 percent?
but still lol

Oh my, islamic banking is the stupidest concept I ever read. The do exactly the same, but have to hide it behind other actions to be able to name it islam-comform. And it costs the banks and the customers a lot!
Islam in general is :nuts:

OK, thanks guys.

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin”. “The protests in Iran were merely made up by disgruntled opposition supporters who were just a vocal minority that was undoubtedly overshadowed by the silence majority”. “The president in Iran is well linked in Iran and has immense support throughout the country and especially in the rural areas”.

Firstly, this is exactly what he has said to be. I am asking about much of this statement is real and how much is propaganda. Do majority of the Iranian people support the current government? Was the green revolution a mere exaggeration of the support for the opposition party?

Also, what has the Iranian government done right and wrong on economic issues as well.

^^

well the thing is the majority of the people hate the current regime!
People who support the regime are clerics, sepah, guards, basij, and fanatics.
they all depend on the money of the government, because they work for them...
Iran's opposition is huge and I don't give this regime more than 5-10 years...
When Ahmadinejad had a rally, the government called all the governmental offices, banks, schools to come to the rally otherwise they would be fired or punished...
Ahmadinejad had almost 1 million people in his rally, you can think now: wow what a huge number, but it's not Iran's population is 75 000 000 and 1 000 000 is nothing compared to it, the thing in Iran is many people are affraid to get killed, raped and stuff if they come out, that's why our opposition didn't succeed, also we don't have a real leader in our opposition, but this regime is gonna fall soon, so I don't know what your friend was saying, but he's wrong!
Iran's government did more wrong than good, but I'm not gonna lie, they made Iran somehow independent, by making his own cars, ships, planes and more...
the wrong stuff: we got sanctions, embargo's, low investment from foreign countries due the sanctions, if we still had the Shah we would be much much more developed but anyway I'm not a economical expert so I hope someone else can help you with that but about the opposition and regime, your friend was 1000000000000% wrong, I will set my hand on the Quran, Avesta, Bible for it ;)

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin”. “The protests in Iran were merely made up by disgruntled opposition supporters who were just a vocal minority that was undoubtedly overshadowed by the silence majority”. “The president in Iran is well linked in Iran and has immense support throughout the country and especially in the rural areas”.

Firstly, this is exactly what he has said to be. I am asking about much of this statement is real and how much is propaganda. Do majority of the Iranian people support the current government? Was the green revolution a mere exaggeration of the support for the opposition party?

Also, what has the Iranian government done right and wrong on economic issues as well.

he is a liar and i think he is on the payroll of regime people HATE the mullahs here and the only reason they are in power is IRGC they kill people

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin...

First of all, is this guy religious? If not, is he leftist who sees "imperialists" everywhere?

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin”. “The protests in Iran were merely made up by disgruntled opposition supporters who were just a vocal minority that was undoubtedly overshadowed by the silence majority”. “The president in Iran is well linked in Iran and has immense support throughout the country and especially in the rural areas”.

Firstly, this is exactly what he has said to be. I am asking about much of this statement is real and how much is propaganda. Do majority of the Iranian people support the current government? Was the green revolution a mere exaggeration of the support for the opposition party?

Also, what has the Iranian government done right and wrong on economic issues as well.

as others have said, the majority of iranians hate the regime

the regime has destroyed our nation, our country, economy, industry, culture etc

alongside major economic issues, they have been trying to stuff backwards medieval thought and ideology into our people, unfortunentaly, a small percentage caught on to the thought

on one day of the june protests in 2009, nearly 3 million protested in tehran alone
these people came out knowing the risk of beating, loosing jobs, rape, enprisonnement, torture, death etc etc, but still came, millions more protested in other cities

many many stayed home, this shows the immense amount of people who hate the regime

but for gvrnmeny rallies, they forcefully import people that work in gvrnment related organizations from all over the country to the capital to participate in the rally so they can take videos from it and say "look at the vast amiunt of our supporters", they also bribe the poor in participating by giving free food and juice to them
theres picks and vids of all the above

a government that is strongly in its place doesnt use force, but it is obvious that iran's authorities are scared

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin”. “The protests in Iran were merely made up by disgruntled opposition supporters who were just a vocal minority that was undoubtedly overshadowed by the silence majority”. “The president in Iran is well linked in Iran and has immense support throughout the country and especially in the rural areas”.

Firstly, this is exactly what he has said to be. I am asking about much of this statement is real and how much is propaganda. Do majority of the Iranian people support the current government? Was the green revolution a mere exaggeration of the support for the opposition party?

Also, what has the Iranian government done right and wrong on economic issues as well.

lmao
I would personally take 10 steps back and run towards the nearest FBI/Interpol office and report the mofo
you got an IR agent on your hands

or an extremely stupid individual

First of all, is this guy religious? If not, is he leftist who sees "imperialists" everywhere?
the leftists are mentally unstable for sure (have lived with one all my life, my father <<< I know, I know, love the guy to death but he's crazy :lol:) but they wouldn't defend the regime. The guy's either an ultra religious nutjob/IR agent or a second gen Iranian (have met some of these people here and they say the dumbest things about the country they've never been to).

the leftists are mentally unstable for sure (have lived with one all my life, my father <<< I know, I know, love the guy to death but he's crazy :lol:) but they wouldn't defend the regime. The guy's either an ultra religious nutjob/IR agent or a second gen Iranian (have met some of these people here and they say the dumbest things about the country they've never been to).

You are right! Actually, a lot of these Iranians who see "imperialists" everywhere are usually anti-American (and anti-European and anti-Israeli) nutjobs too. We have some of these people in these forums too! :)

I should have said: Is the guy religious? A leftist? Or an anti-American person who sees "imperialists" everywhere?

funny thing is that he himself probably lives in the west hahaha

I need a straightforward frank answers not an emotional response guided by bias political views.

I have an Iranian friend (Co-Worker mainly) and he basically said to me “Most people in Iran support the current regime and they fairly won the last election by a comfortable margin”. “The protests in Iran were merely made up by disgruntled opposition supporters who were just a vocal minority that was undoubtedly overshadowed by the silence majority”. “The president in Iran is well linked in Iran and has immense support throughout the country and especially in the rural areas”.

Firstly, this is exactly what he has said to be. I am asking about much of this statement is real and how much is propaganda. Do majority of the Iranian people support the current government? Was the green revolution a mere exaggeration of the support for the opposition party?

Also, what has the Iranian government done right and wrong on economic issues as well.

Well, politics aside, the Green movement was highly exaggerated after the 3rd month, but it doesn't mean that Iranians are in agreement with the current ruling system. the Green movement succeeded to attract millions of Iranian youths to the streets of Tehran in the first days of the post-election protests but later it failed to survive due to the lack of strong support and political logistics. I don't believe the crackdown was so brutal that one could consider it to be the main reason that the protests became mute. We've seen and We are still observing harsher and more brutal crackdowns on protests in Arabic countries but the protests have not ended yet in many of them.

I believe most Iranians are tired of the imposition of Islamic ideas on them, Although there are people in Iran who believe in Islam and Islam without doubt is an important part of today's Iranian culture but the policies of the Islamic republic have brought nothing good for Iran except disrespect and discrimination against Iranians around the world. the new generation of Iranians are much less religious as old Iranians and they want to live in a free country that is open to the world rather than an isolated country that is being more isolated everyday. Also high rate of unemployment and inflation and in general ineffective economic policies to improve people's quality of life and also corruption in the Judiciary system and among the authorities have leaded to huge loss of popularity for the regime.

Your friend is not telling you the truth and his comments are far from the reality inside Iran.

^^ the green movement wasnt "exaggerated" by any means, people cant stay in the streets for ever

the green movement exists, strongly

its just on "hibernate" mode, its an ongoing process, fire under the ashes


by no means is it dead, its alive and growing day by day, just because we dont see it physically doesnt mean its weak or anythinh

Yea It wasn't exaggerated at all when in the 22 Bahman rally few hundreds or thousands came out and people said that the Greens were millions. lol

and Yea, people can stay in the streets for ever. want examples? the Iranian 1979 revolution, the Libyan revolution, the Syrian and Bahraini revolution so far.

It is dead because people didn't come out in the 2nd anniversary of the post-election protests.

I agree with fire under ashes but I don't agree that the Green movement is hibernated. I believe It's dead because There is absolutely no activity seen from it.

nobody said millions came out on 22 bahman, there were a few million + marches but none were 22 bahman

and even if millions didnt come out, the correct way to say it is "the numbers of people protesting were exaggerated", not that the movement is exaggerated

regardless, these are more than a few hundred, more than a few thousand, more than a million

(its not 22 bahman though)

in esfahan
http://www.baiad.org/images/Protests_in_Isfahan.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/06/18/crowdsceneiran1.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/06/18/crowdsceneiran1.jpg
http://www.energytribune.com/live_images/ET061809_iran_protest.jpg
http://www.energytribune.com/live_images/ET061809_iran_protest.jpg


tehran

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jun2009/7/8/image-2-for-iran-protests-gallery-469134458.jpg
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jun2009/7/8/image-2-for-iran-protests-gallery-469134458.jpg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/iran.protests.june18.getty.gal.jpg
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http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jom.jpg
http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jom.jpg
http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jun/Election-Protests-Iran-file.jpg
http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jun/Election-Protests-Iran-file.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m4wXmA30Y34/0.jpg
http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/azadi-square.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ed5PE_8uX1Y/TdSF5RVTkHI/AAAAAAAAACQ/Uqa-y-5dUJM/s1600/azadi-square-june-2009.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ed5PE_8uX1Y/TdSF5RVTkHI/AAAAAAAAACQ/Uqa-y-5dUJM/s1600/azadi-square-june-2009.jpg

nobody said millions came out on 22 bahman, there were a few million + marches but none were 22 bahman

and even if millions didnt come out, the correct way to say it is "the numbers of people protesting were exaggerated", not that the movement is exaggerated

regardless, these are more than a few hundred, more than a few thousand, more than a million

(its not 22 bahman though)


Yes, Sazegara said that. He said that they had reports that a massive population came out to the streets like millions of people but they didn't start protesting because of very tight security measures. He said that they were among the 22 Bahman regime's supporters but couldn't show up :P

If you've read my post carefully you would've noticed that I said the protests were exaggerated after the 3rd month of the post-election protests. in fact there were no organized demonstrations and protests at all, only clashes between security forces and protesters.

the Green movement, at very best, is inactive now which says that it doesn't have the ability to change anything.

oh ok

well its not inactive, there are still ongoing under currents, but yes they have no physical activity, as i said, its fire under the ashes, a sleeping lion,

be souye rouze pirouzi!

I'm not saying that everything's normal. but the Green movement as a political movement is inactive now.

piroozi ke ba neshestano khodemoono farib dadan ke regime raftani hast ke be dast nemiyad. piroozi chizi nist ke be dast biyad, bayad be dast avordesh.

I'm not saying that everything's normal. but the Green movement as a political movement is inactive now.

piroozi ke ba neshestano khodemoono farib dadan ke regime raftani hast ke be dast nemiyad. piroozi chizi nist ke be dast biyad, bayad be dast avordesh.

pa na pa

^^ :lol:

Translation?

Translation?

It has no translation. It's like a funny figure of speech or a slang, I don't even know what pa na pa is linguistically xD It has no meaning, maybe one could consider it a type of interjection or a slang like duh in English. so if someone is telling you something obvious that you already know you'd say that xP

OK, sepas.:)

pa na pa is like a short read of "pas na pas"

thats actually a good translation Qwecxz for a phrase with no meaning ;)

pa na pa is like a short read of "pas na pas"

thats actually a good translation Qwecxz for a phrase with no meaning ;)

:lol:

What are the best Iranian websites for real estate?

When does school holidays in Iran end?
I ask this question because i will be in Iran in September,and i don´t want to book all the hotels in advance.The only one i booked in advance is Tehran at the beginning and at the end of my stay.

I don´t know if the hotels are all full in school holidays and if its advisible to,for example,book a hotel 2 weeks before my arrival.

Thanks for your help and kind regards
Tobi

school holidays end 21st of september, school starts at the start of fall

What city is reputed to have the most beautiful girls/women in Iran? Like Stuttgart is for Germany, Porto Alegre for Brazil, etc. I have heard it is Shiraz.

yea the idea of "dokhtar shirazi" being the dream persian girl has long been said


az gerad vigen (khoda biamorzatesh) says :zane iruni take, khosgelo banamake, i htink it goes to all of em :)

What city is reputed to have the most beautiful girls/women in Iran? Like Stuttgart is for Germany, Porto Alegre for Brazil, etc. I have heard it is Shiraz.

why is that? ;)
but good question,though

i would say hamburg for germany ;) :lol:

why is that? ;)
but good question,though

i would say hamburg for germany ;) :lol:

Because the people in Stuttgart said so.:lol:

I haven't been to Hamburg, just the south of Germany, and Stuttgart is #1 in that area.

When are ramazan and all of those other muslim holidays going to be held in Iran in 2012.?

When are ramazan and all of those other muslim holidays going to be held in Iran in 2012.?

Ramadan 2012 - 20 July-18 August
Muharram 2012 - 15 November - 13 December.

Basically don't go to Iran during these periods and you won't be running into any major religious holidays that are longer than a day.

Ramadan 2012 - 20 July-18 August
Muharram 2012 - 15 November - 13 December.

Basically don't go to Iran during these periods and you won't be running into any major religious holidays that are longer than a day.

Sepas gozaram.:)

What are the most popular baby names in Iran?

wide spectrum if your not religious

but for religious boy names its amir-something , ali, mohammad or hossein/reza etc

girl names are mostly nonreligious and diverse

theres already 2 threads for that

Are the religious or non religious ones more numerous?

Here is a question more to your liking: Why is Persepolis Football Club called Persepolis instead of Parsa?

persepolis is persepolis its the way it is its been like that for ever

they tried changing to pirouzi(after revolution) but last week it officialy changed to persepolis again i hope esteghlal changes to taj again

persepolis is the name of the club and has been , its engraved and nothing will ever change it

Are the religious or non religious ones more numerous?

for girls like 90%+ are non religious but guys its 50/50, and the guys many have religious looking arabic names but the family itself isnt religious

by religious i ment arabic my bad

persepolis is persepolis its the way it is its been like that for ever

they tried changing to pirouzi(after revolution) but last week it officialy changed to persepolis again i hope esteghlal changes to taj again

persepolis is the name of the club and has been , its engraved and nothing will ever change it

Yes, but my question was why did they originally use the Greek name instead of the Persian/Iranian one? Was the club founded by foreigners?

Is it possible to eat pork anywhere in Iran?

Yes, but my question was why did they originally use the Greek name instead of the Persian/Iranian one? Was the club founded by foreigners?

Nope it was founded by a Iranian man named Ali Abdo.
I guess he just liked the name.

Nope it was founded by a Iranian man named Ali Abdo.
I guess he just liked the name.

Or maybe he had the ability of divination, so he knew that when the mullahs came to power, that they would change the name to the Arabic pronunciation, which would mean the club would be called Farsa.:lol:

Is it possible to eat pork anywhere in Iran?

im not sure

pork in general isnt in persian cuisine so even persian christians dont realy eat pork, it doesnt exist in the market, theres no demand

but you might be able to find it fron farms etc if they have pigs (for fun lol)

Yes, but my question was why did they originally use the Greek name instead of the Persian/Iranian one? Was the club founded by foreigners?

thing is nobody cared if it is persian or not etc, persepolis is actually half persian half greek, perse is the greek pornounciation if pars/parsa, polis is greek

its relates to persians and iran etc so theres no issues

and the thing is that we have no issue with greeks, we have had a lustfull cultural relation with them for millenia, we are brothers, we have similar cultures and attitudes, alot of us look alike etc , iranians have a good view towards greeks , and many greeks the same so the naming isnt much of an issue

arabic names are a different estory :)




Or maybe he had the ability of divination, so he knew that when the mullahs came to power, that they would change the name to the Arabic pronunciation, which would mean the club would be called Farsa.:lol:
:lol:

its actually "fersefolis"

next year in the asian champions league arab commentators will have an issue haha

What city is reputed to have the most beautiful girls/women in Iran? Like Stuttgart is for Germany, Porto Alegre for Brazil, etc. I have heard it is Shiraz.

most of girls in iran are pretty.beacuse Iranian history date back to Ariae recism.I live in Shiraz but I preferTabriz .s girl

^^ its arian race not racism, lol, racism misheh nezhadparasti, race mishe nezhad

Yes very pretty....very.

What beach destinations are there in Iran except for Kish Island?

lol none, the beaches in iran are garbage, they were great , but thanks to the revolution the north coast has become a garbage dump and the south is undeveloped

What about lakes (for swimming)? Like the Balaton Lake in Hungary?

not really, lakes inside iran are usually very salty, people dont swim in them, there are small lakes and reservoires especially around tehran and the north where people swim in , but they dont have beaches

urmia lake has/had beaches

OK, thanks guys.

Do they have flower shops in Tehran? And how many? nd witch ones are the good ones with best prices.... And do they sell poppies there? And would they have poppie boquets?

They for a very khas pretty girl....

You want an online website? :P Are you into cyber-loves or what? sorry, I'm just curious lol

No just A girl I like very very much..

Is there a Flower shop on line in Tehran?

Is there a Flower shop on line in Tehran?

There are many, but they don't accept visa/master or any other types of credit cards except the Iranian ones.

Why does Iran import gasoline?

^^ LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

where have you been my friend, its one of the largest issues regarding iran's industry and economy

Why does Iran import gasoline?

Iran reportedly doesn't import gasoline any longer. the main reason that Iran's gasoline production reduced after the revolution is that Iran's refineries were bombed and damaged during the Iraq-Iran war and the next reason is US unilateral sanctions after the revolution (and recently UNSC sanctions)

^^ LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

where have you been my friend, its one of the largest issues regarding Iran's industry and economy

I know, but I am/was asking for the reason, is it an issue of capacity or money or something else?

Iran reportedly doesn't import gasoline any longer. the main reason that Iran's gasoline production reduced after the revolution is that Iran's refineries were bombed and damaged during the Iraq-Iran war and the next reason is US unilateral sanctions after the revolution (and recently UNSC sanctions)

Why would the sanctions have any impact on that (except for having less money to spend on building refineries of course)?

I hope it has stopped importing gasoline, because it is ridiculous that a country which is full of oil, educated people, etc. imports gasoline.

Why would the sanctions have any impact on that (except for having less money to spend on building refineries of course)?

I hope it has stopped importing gasoline, because it is ridiculous that a country which is full of oil, educated people, etc. imports gasoline.

yea but iran's gasoline is horrible, apparently

it seems that they still dont have the correct method, funny for a country who has the no1 science growth rate in the world

last year they imported chinese gas for a while, which was horribly cheap and crappy and instantly increased pollution, major cities turned black

Why would the sanctions have any impact on that (except for having less money to spend on building refineries of course)?

I hope it has stopped importing gasoline, because it is ridiculous that a country which is full of oil, educated people, etc. imports gasoline.

Because most countries refused to cooperate with Iran in rebuilding the refineries that had been destroyed during the war. American companies were barred from cooperating with Iran in Energy sector. Other countries helped Iran but not in a normal way due to the sanctions and US pressure. recently most countries not only have stopped investing in Iran's energy sector but have stopped exporting gasoline to Iran and even European airports and some Asian airports refuse to fuel Iranian airplanes.
Building refineries has nothing to do with having oil, all the Arab countries around the Persian Gulf you see don't have the knowledge to build refineries themselves without foreign assistance. the knowledge and technology of building refineries is not something that all countries have. so I see nothing ridiculous in it. moreover, there are always economic considerations too. if you can import gasoline with good quality cheaper than you produce it in your country would you produce it in the country?

Building refineries has nothing to do with having oil, all the Arab countries around the Persian Gulf you see don't have the knowledge to build refineries themselves without foreign assistance. the knowledge and technology of building refineries is not something that all countries have. so I see nothing ridiculous in it. moreover, there are always economic considerations too. if you can import gasoline with good quality cheaper than you produce it in your country would you produce it in the country?

Yes. By importing it my country would look ridiculous and would become dependent on the exporting country for gasoline.

I do see it as something ridiculous if your country is on the same technological level as the Arabs. Even Croatia has the knowledge and technology to build refineries ffs!

Yes. By importing it my country would look ridiculous and would become dependent on the exporting country for gasoline.

I do see it as something ridiculous if your country is on the same technological level as the Arabs. Even Croatia has the knowledge and technology to build refineries ffs!

I don't think that's ridiculous. We export close to 7 Gigawatts of electricity to our neighboring countries and we import electricity from countries like republic of Azerbaijan. Does that mean we can't meet our local demands and consumption? No. Our net power generation is positive. We only do that because It's cheaper. I agree that it's ridiculous that Iran imports gasoline and it had made Iran dependent to other countries, but I don't think that it's ridiculous to import something that you can produce but you can buy it cheaper.

Why everyone likes to underestimate Arabs? you said Iran is a major oil producing nation, I told you that the Arab Persian Gulf states are also major oil producing nations but don't have the know-how to build refineries on their own. and I don't know about Croatia, but if it has the technology to produce refiners 'fully' on its own then it's a great advantage for Croatia and can make money out of it by giving technical assistance to other countries.

I don't think that's ridiculous. We export close to 7 Gigawatts of electricity to our neighboring countries and we import electricity from countries like republic of Azerbaijan. Does that mean we can't meet our local demands and consumption? No. Our net power generation is positive. We only do that because It's cheaper. I agree that it's ridiculous that Iran imports gasoline and it had made Iran dependent to other countries, but I don't think that it's ridiculous to import something that you can produce but you can buy it cheaper.

Why everyone likes to underestimate Arabs? you said Iran is a major oil producing nation, I told you that the Arab Persian Gulf states are also major oil producing nations but don't have the know-how to build refineries on their own. and I don't know about Croatia, but if it has the technology to produce refiners 'fully' on its own then it's a great advantage for Croatia and can make money out of it by giving technical assistance to other countries.

the whole idea of selling electricity and rebuying it from another nation is fishy
i remeber when iran bought natural gas from russia and sold it to turkey for a cheaper price, i wish i had the source
i think its more of a tactical plan than a economical idea

but thats natural gas
electricity is something else

the whole idea of selling electricity and rebuying it from another nation is fishy
i remeber when iran bought natural gas from russia and sold it to turkey for a cheaper price, i wish i had the source
i think its more of a tactical plan than a economical idea

but thats natural gas
electricity is something else

Actually It's not necessarily re-buying. think of it this way. the closest power station to a small town or a village is about 250 Kilometers and If you want to connect the village to the power station you'll face problems because of the nature and topography of the region. just like 150 Kilometers away from the place within the Azerbaijani territory, they have a power station that you can get connected to its grid with cheaper prices. this way, not only you'll need to use less amount of cable (which is not so cheap as you think because It's made of copper) but the power waste will be lower because the length of the cable is lower and therefore the resistance will be lower. It's also a good way of improving your economic ties with your neighbors. I see nothing wrong in doing that.

why do people always say Azeri Iranians??!!

we also don't say, Khorasani Iranians, Hormozgani Iranians, Fars Iranians,.....

we are all the same ;)

And to expand on that, do Azeris in Iran view (I know that they are Iranic) themselves as an Iranic or Turkic ethnic group? If they see themselves as Iranic, why do the Azeris in Azerbaijan (the country) view themselves as Turkic?

lack of education regarding the issue

most people dont pursue to study such topics

Are there any major Seleucid monuments left in Iran?

Are there any major Seleucid monuments left in Iran?

nope not anything major couple of statues and coins etc are left but no major building or structure.

And to expand on that, do Azeris in Iran view (I know that they are Iranic) themselves as an Iranic or Turkic ethnic group? If they see themselves as Iranic, why do the Azeris in Azerbaijan (the country) view themselves as Turkic?

Excuse me, How do you know that Azeri Turks are "Iranic"? Wikipedia? Azerbaijani people are Oghuz Turks.

Azeri Turks in Iran view themselves as Turk, and so do Persians, otherwise they would not be called as "Tork" in Iran.

^^ my friend, we are called tork in street language, not officialy,

yes we are turks linguistically, but not by blood, therefore we are referred to as turk

do you think turkish turks are turks because they hail turk blood? most of them especially western anatolians have a majority of greek, roman, ... blood
yes they have a line of turkic blood but i can assure you many people in the region like persians and levantines have that amount of turkic blood in them

genetic studies show that an azari in tabriz has almost identical genetic make up as a tehran or shirazi or rashti

why do we all look the same?

im telling you guys , you should all read ahmad kasravi tabrizi's works


and guys please do not fire up this convo

its getting repetitive

Kasravi is someone who lit up this Azeri,Persian,Turkic,etc fire which those who are kinda extreme about Persian ethnicity refer to him.He is not a source.

I'm an Azeri and I assure you I have studied alot of history and etc about my origins and I have tons of words to say but I respect the forum's atmosphere and won't spread my beliefs.Any further comments about ethnicity will be deleted(any comment)

Hi deer Iranian friends!

We are visiting your beautiful country from 1st-16th october and we would like to kindly ask you to provide us with informations about main highlights you would recommend us to see in your country in the mentioned period.
If possible less commercial one a less crowded (hidden places of natural, cultural beauty in your country).

Also any other usefull informations concerning traveling in your country, weather, customs and budget places are gladly welcomed.

Thank you very much :)

Kasravi is someone who lit up this Azeri,Persian,Turkic,etc fire which those who are kinda extreme about Persian ethnicity refer to him.He is not a source.

I'm an Azeri and I assure you I have studied alot of history and etc about my origins and I have tons of words to say but I respect the forum's atmosphere and won't spread my beliefs.Any further comments about ethnicity will be deleted(any comment)

I'd like to know your opinion Freddy. send it to me through PM pls.

@Ubertino de Casale: Where are you going to stay for most of the time you're in Iran?

Hi deer Iranian friends!

We are visiting your beautiful country from 1st-16th october and we would like to kindly ask you to provide us with informations about main highlights you would recommend us to see in your country in the mentioned period.
If possible less commercial one a less crowded (hidden places of natural, cultural beauty in your country).

Also any other usefull informations concerning traveling in your country, weather, customs and budget places are gladly welcomed.

Thank you very much :)

Iran is a big country and the culture,budget required and weather is very different in it's different places.depending on what you are looking for(historical sites and etc) we could help you and give you more direct answers :)

I'd like to know your opinion Freddy. send it to me through PM pls.

@Ubertino de Casale: Where are you going to stay for most of the time you're in Iran?

Our journey should follow the line Teheran, Caspian Sea, Isfahan, Persepolis Gulf of Persia.

thank you for any recommendations :)

Iran is a big country and the culture,budget required and weather is very different in it's different places.depending on what you are looking for(historical sites and etc) we could help you and give you more direct answers :)

We keen on old Persian archeological sites (like Persepolis), on beautiful islamic architecture as well as on unforgetable natural wonders (valleys, rivers, canyons, views, caves, deserts).

thank you for any recommendations :)

We keen on old Persian archeological sites (like Persepolis), on beautiful islamic architecture as well as on unforgetable natural wonders (valleys, rivers, canyons, views, caves, deserts).

thank you for any recommendations :)

Iran has two incredible caves named: alisadr cave and sehulan cave
alisadr is close to Hamedan and sehulan is close to Mahabad city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Sadr_Cave

I've heard there is a beautiful desert near Isfahan named "mesr" but I haven't been there

Iran has different terrian: west and north-west and north are mountained which some mountains in the NW(where I'm from are really beautiful)
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/25517354.jpg

the northern mountains(and some in the NW) are green mountains covered in jungles

the mid and mid-SE of Iran is desert

your traveling from land?

btw if you can add Yazd and Tabriz to that list.
you can see some pics and infos of the cities I've mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabriz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazd

Iran has two incredible caves named: alisadr cave and sehulan cave
alisadr is close to Hamedan and sehulan is close to Mahabad city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Sadr_Cave

I've heard there is a beautiful desert near Isfahan named "mesr" but I haven't been there

Iran has different terrian: west and north-west and north are mountained which some mountains in the NW(where I'm from are really beautiful)
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/25517354.jpg

the northern mountains(and some in the NW) are green mountains covered in jungles

the mid and mid-SE of Iran is desert

your traveling from land?

Yes, we will use mostly trains for our travels. We have good recommendations for your train traffic. Thank you a lot for all your recommendations, all of the places are very beautiful. We would like to visit also Tabriz, however your country is pretty vast and so we will have to plan our route without a lot of traveling. So we mostly prefer to see one interesting place as a somekind of base for 4 days, with not so far lying other interesting places and sites. Tabriz is quite "off hand" however if possible we would like to see it also.

We keen on old Persian archeological sites (like Persepolis), on beautiful islamic architecture as well as on unforgetable natural wonders (valleys, rivers, canyons, views, caves, deserts).

thank you for any recommendations :)

I'd highly recommend you to go to Kermanshah and Hamedan(Hamedan is ex-Ecbatana). Kermanshah and some Kurdish regions of Iran are among the most beautiful parts of Iran with many historical places that can amaze you.

I'd highly recommend you to go to Kermanshah and Hamedan(Hamedan is ex-Ecbatana). Kermanshah and some Kurdish regions of Iran are among the most beautiful parts of Iran with many historical places that can amaze you.

Thank you a lot. We will take it into account when we will plan our journey.
Can I ask you guys also for a good photo gallery of Iran? Either here on SSC or somewhere else. Thanks in advance :)

I think you can find all you want here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=646

And secondly.
We heard that following activities are prohibited or are not likely to be welcomed in Iran.
1) Drinking alcoholic drinks or taking drugs
2) Making photos of military buildings, soldiers or policemen
3) Dating with girls on public
4) Talking about politics

Please understand that we don´t have any kind of prejudicies against your country and we would like to know this only to treat your nation and people with respect avoiding impolite situations.
So is the afforementioned reality or only myths? What other customs are and what else should be avoided?

Thank you a lot :)

I think you can find all you want here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=646

thanks, this is great help :)

And secondly.
We heard that following activities are prohibited or are not likely to be welcomed in Iran.
1) Drinking alcoholic drinks or taking drugs
2) Making photos of military buildings, soldiers or policemen
3) Dating with girls on public
4) Talking about politics


1)True.
2)maybe not 100%.I wouldn't do it if I were you
3)Not normal dating(if you be with her and etc) but kissing and etc would make things difficult.In some cities(like Tehran and touristic cities like Shiraz)It's less strict but in some places its more strict
4)In Iran speaking about politics is something routine.But Iranians are more experienced about it and who they can talk about it with.But you may end up discussing with a wrong guy.If you really want to talk try to have some trust in him and if you see he is really extreme about an idea just drop the convo and nod your head(atleast thats what I do lol).But in general I don't recommend it much

drinking happens but not publicly and we ask you to not attempt as you need to know what to do
and dating etc yea dont be overly sexuál as freddy said, morality police will give you a hard time

^^
Thanks a lot both :)
If something another prohibited or not welcomed in Iran would came in your heads please be free to post it. It will really help us.

sure pal ;)

Is the Shahnameh obligatory reading in Iranian schools?

Is the Shahnameh obligatory reading in Iranian schools?

parts of it yea. It's not taught in Iranian schools as a separate course but some poems from the Shahnameh are taught to elementary and high school students in the Persian literature course.

Hi there again Iranian friends!
I have been browsing through the photos and I find Iran one amazingly beautiful country with a plenty to see. Honestly we would need to be in your country at least for 2 months to see everything interesting.

Since we don´t have such a time I would like to ask you if it is possible to rent either a car in Iran or a car driver as somekind of guide. Also I would like to ask you if stopping a car is accepted in Iran without any problems. The last question I would like to ask: is couch surfing is being in presence in your country and if not, the best way to accomodate (we don´t prefere hotels) to know your people and country the best.

Thank you for your answer in advance!

Have a nice day :)

Hi there again Iranian friends!
I have been browsing through the photos and I find Iran one amazingly beautiful country with a plenty to see. Honestly we would need to be in your country at least for 2 months to see everything interesting.

Since we don´t have such a time I would like to ask you if it is possible to rent either a car in Iran or a car driver as somekind of guide. Also I would like to ask you if stopping a car is accepted in Iran without any problems. The last question I would like to ask: is couch surfing is being in presence in your country and if not, the best way to accomodate (we don´t prefere hotels) to know your people and country the best.

Thank you for your answer in advance!

Have a nice day :)

There are taxis everywhere in Iran so it's easy. Also buses are very cheap and comfortable to travel to different cities.

Hi there again Iranian friends!
I have been browsing through the photos and I find Iran one amazingly beautiful country with a plenty to see. Honestly we would need to be in your country at least for 2 months to see everything interesting.

Since we don´t have such a time I would like to ask you if it is possible to rent either a car in Iran or a car driver as somekind of guide. Also I would like to ask you if stopping a car is accepted in Iran without any problems. The last question I would like to ask: is couch surfing is being in presence in your country and if not, the best way to accomodate (we don´t prefere hotels) to know your people and country the best.

Thank you for your answer in advance!

Have a nice day :)

I've been in Iran once in the past decade so I can't help you much but the last time I was in Iran we used this bus company (http://www.seirosafar.org/). The ticket price was very cheap at the time (don't know how much it's now but with all the fuel subsidies being scrappped it must be higher) and all the buses are air conditioned etc... Every city has a main bus terminal and you can buy tickets there.

Also you can rent cars from taxi companies but I have absolutely no idea about the price.

regarding hotels and stuff, try asking the question on lonelyplanet.com (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/iran). I'm sure somebody can help. You can also buy the Iran travell guide (http://shop.lonelyplanet.com/iran/iran-travel-guide-5?lpaffil=lpdest-shoppod) that they're selling, I've heard that it's really helpful. That book is 25 bucks on lonely planet.com but bookdepository.co.uk has it for 16 dollars (http://www.bookdepository.com/Iran-Andrew-Burke/9781741042931)and they have free shipping (I buy all my school text books from them and I've had no problems).

Edit: The reason I recommended that book is b/c it has info on hotels and a ton of other usefull stuff from most cities.

Edit 2: There is also a discount code for that website (either a 5% off code or a 10% off code) so if you want to buy anything from them make sure you use the codes mentioned here (http://www.retailmenot.com/view/bookdepository.co.uk)

you could simply use tour guide agencies.It's their job to deal with such stuff.They can take you to a place with a mini-bus with a tour guide explaining stuff and etc

Is there any specific reason why there are more men than women in Iran (by a margin of about 700000)?

i think its just chance

anyhow, most iranian famillies ive seen value their daughters more than their sons
maybe its all the mental support for a female when the mother is pregnant haha

Is there any specific reason why there are more men than women in Iran (by a margin of about 700000)?
I just looked up the male/female ratio of Iran and it's 1.2 (more than 1 means more male, less than 1 means more female). The world average is 1.1.

I found the explanation for why it's slightly above average though. If you look at how they get the average, they add up the ratios for all age groups. I looked up the ratio for male/female over the age of 65 and Iran's is 0.92 (more females) but for most other countries the ratio is a lot more favorable towards women (for example for Portugal it's 0.70, for estonia it's 0.49!!!!!). This is bringing the ratio closer to 1 for other countries. When you look at each age group seperately, Iran is the same as other countries but the over 65 is different for what ever reason.

Edit: now I wanna know why Iranian men over 65 are surviving longer than in Western countries! My guess would be less alcohol consumption (less cancer etc...).

i think its just chance

anyhow, most iranian famillies ive seen value their daughters more than their sons
maybe its all the mental support for a female when the mother is pregnant haha

Before I looked it up, I thought that there would be more women (if for no other reason, because of the Iran-Iraq war).

It is interesting that there are more men than women in the entire Middle East (Apart from Lebanon and Israel) (even though the data might be skewed for the oil rich Arab countries, because of the millions of male immigrants from the Indian subcontinent and other places) :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Sex_ratio_total_population.PNG

Btw, what is the actual TFR of Iran? The numbers I see from different sources are in conflict with each other.

Btw, what is the actual TFR of Iran? The numbers I see from different sources are in conflict with each other.

1.9

1.9

Is there a particular reason for it falling under the replacement level (2.10)? Didn't our good friend Mahmoud say that Iran should expand it's population to 150 million?

Is there a particular reason for it falling under the replacement level (2.10)? Didn't our good friend Mahmoud say that Iran should expand it's population to 150 million?

Maybe because the cost of having children has increased? Statistics estimate that by 2050 Iran's population will be stabilized at 105M.

Maybe because the cost of having children has increased? Statistics estimate that by 2050 Iran's population will be stabilized at 105M.

Didn't they say that they would subsidize people who want to have more children?

Didn't they say that they would subsidize people who want to have more children?


They say alot of things.

Didn't they say that they would subsidize people who want to have more children?

lol stupidest idea on earth, most advanced countries try to decrease or atleast stabilize their pop. , iran's gvrnemt wants more :bash:

lol stupidest idea on earth, most advanced countries try to decrease or atleast stabilize their pop. , iran's gvrnemt wants more :bash:

Is that why they bring in a massive amount of third world immigrants who have a lot of children? I support Iran's population continuing to grow through natural growth and thus keeping it's population young, but that of course doesn't mean that I think every Iranian family should have 10 children, if the TFR was constantly somewhere between 2.10 and 3, that would be great.

Is that why they bring in a massive amount of third world immigrants who have a lot of children? I support Iran's population continuing to grow through natural growth and thus keeping it's population young, but that of course doesn't mean that I think every Iranian family should have 10 children, if the TFR was constantly somewhere between 2.10 and 3, that would be great.

this
low pop'n growth is EXTREMELY harmful. The socioeconomic damages are massive. Look at what's happening in France and GB! In a few decades they will be complete shit holes thanks to all the immigration. They are already losing their culture and their economies are also taking a hit. We need to have a TFR higher than 2.1.

Is that why they bring in a massive amount of third world immigrants who have a lot of children? I support Iran's population continuing to grow through natural growth and thus keeping it's population young, but that of course doesn't mean that I think every Iranian family should have 10 children, if the TFR was constantly somewhere between 2.10 and 3, that would be great.

well decrease no but stable is what i ment

and many countries especially european ones have reached their capacities, they want no more, they want cheap labour but i dont think nations like sweden or holland like 30 million pop in 100 years
yea canada etc bring in many bzt canada is like one in many

secondly, why do you support irans pop growth? do you think we are some joke? irans facilities are still far less than what 70 million need, so much poverty and so much social corruption and you want more population? the reason iran is so fd up is its population, i f iran still had 35-40 million like pre revolution, more than half of the problems in iran wouldnt exist or atleast would of been not as severe
i dont know if you have been to iran lately but imagine 30 million more in there

whenever we become an advanced country and our HDI is like denmarks then we can slowly increase population but right now increase in population would make us like a second mini india

well decrease no but stable is what i ment

and many countries especially european ones have reached their capacities, they want no more, they want cheap labour but i dont think nations like sweden or holland like 30 million pop in 100 years
yea canada etc bring in many bzt canada is like one in many

secondly, why do you support irans pop growth? do you think we are some joke? irans facilities are still far less than what 70 million need, so much poverty and so much social corruption and you want more population? the reason iran is so fd up is its population, i f iran still had 35-40 million like pre revolution, more than half of the problems in iran wouldnt exist or atleast would of been not as severe
i dont know if you have been to iran lately but imagine 30 million more in there

whenever we become an advanced country and our HDI is like denmarks then we can slowly increase population but right now increase in population would make us like a second mini india

That is a myth. Most European countries (apart from San Marino, Monaco, etc.) are nowhere near their maximum capacity.

Comparison: Singapore (7,148 people per square km) Taiwan (1,655) and South Korea (1,261) all have far bigger population densities than most European countries and everything functions properly/perfectly there.

European countries: Netherlands (1,041) United Kingdom (660) Germany (593) Italy (518) Switzerland (487) Czech Republic (347) Spain (236) Croatia (205) Ukraine (202) Russia (21), etc. Stop watching CNN, overpopulation is a myth created by the gay-liberal sickos to get people (primarily European ones) to have less children.

I support Iran's natural population growth (even if it's only minimal) because bigger population = more power (you think the Chinese would be heading for superpower status if they had 30 million people? Or that the USA would be an superpower if they had a population of 31 million instead of 310 million?), because keeping the population young keeps the economy from collapsing (imagine for example there being 3 times more retirees than working people, the economy would collapse since you couldn't support their pensions) I support it because it is natural/normal, etc. Of course the infrastructure should be put into place first, but that goes without saying and it is the government's job to build that infrastructure.

That is a myth. Most European countries (apart from San Marino, Monaco, etc.) are nowhere near their maximum capacity.

Comparison: Singapore (7,148 people per square km) Taiwan (1,655) and South Korea (1,261) all have far bigger population densities than most European countries and everything functions properly/perfectly there.

European countries: Netherlands (1,041) United Kingdom (660) Germany (593) Italy (518) Switzerland (487) Czech Republic (347) Spain (236) Croatia (205) Ukraine (202) Russia (21), etc. Stop watching CNN, overpopulation is a myth created by the gay-liberal sickos to get people (primarily European ones) to have less children.

I support Iran's natural population growth (even if it's only minimal) because bigger population = more power (you think the Chinese would be heading for superpower status if they had 30 million people? Or that the USA would be an superpower if they had a population of 31 million instead of 310 million?), because keeping the population young keeps the economy from collapsing (imagine for example there being 3 times more retirees than working people, the economy would collapse since you couldn't support their pensions) I support it because it is natural/normal, etc. Of course the infrastructure should be put into place first, but that goes without saying and it is the government's job to build that infrastructure.

I totally agree with you. but I think there are two different cases that should be studied well. Do we want to be a world power or we want to have a high quality of life? I'd choose the former. China is heading for super power status but their HDI is comparable to Tajikistan. the same is true for India. high illiteracy, poverty and inequality in China and India show that big population is a disadvantage when it comes to the quality of life.

I believe Iran's population density is low. I think we don't need to reduce our population nor do we need to increase it by encouraging people to have more children. the current population growth rate for Iran is suitable and realistic. by realistic I mean that if the Iranian society keeps working hard and becomes better-educated generation by generation then Iran can have a strong economy which takes care of young Iranians (I mean employment and education) and also old Iranians. this young population of Iran will become old one day and they'll need health care, insurance, pensions, etc.

high illiteracy, poverty and inequality in China and India show that big population is a disadvantage when it comes to the quality of life.

No, it doesn't. It just shows that it's stupid to expand the population gigantically before having the proper infrastructure put in place (and educating properly the population you already have, etc.. ). If the Japanese had the same amount of territory that they Chinese have, I am sure that Japan would be just as rich and advanced, etc. as it is now when they reached 1,3 billion (even though by that time space colonization would probably have already started :lol: ).

Do we want to be a world power or we want to have a high quality of life?

Iran doesn't have to be a World power, being a regional power that nobody will mess with would be enough. As I have said, if the proper infrastructure is put into place, Iran will be able to have a high quality of life regardless of whether the population will be 80 million, 100 million, or 150 million. Poor planning (if they had any plan to begin with...) is the reason there are so many poor people in India and China, not the high populations themselves.

I believe Iran's population density is low.

It is. 117 people per square km.

No, it doesn't. It just shows that it's stupid to expand the population gigantically before having the proper infrastructure put in place (and educating properly the population you already have, etc.. ). If the Japanese had the same amount of territory that they Chinese have, I am sure that Japan would be just as rich and advanced, etc. as it is now when they reached 1,3 billion (even though by that time space colonization would probably have already started :lol: ).
I know what you mean, but what I was trying to get at was something else. I said that a developing country with huge population can't have a high quality of life. even a developed country needs to control its population. It's a biological fact. if not, that would either lead to high inflation or colonialism/imperialism. China will be a colonialist sooner or later if you ask me.


Iran doesn't have to be a World power, being a regional power that nobody will mess with would be enough. As I have said, if the proper infrastructure is put into place, Iran will be able to have a high quality of life regardless of whether the population will be 80 million, 100 million, or 150 million. Poor planning (if they had any plan to begin with...) is the reason there are so many poor people in India and China, not the high populations themselves.
Iran is already a regional power and patriotism aside, I believe Iran has the potential to be leading world power. not in the near future, like in less than 20 years, but certainly Iran has the potentiality to be a global power by 2050. It has vast energy resources, a large amount of precious stones and large deposits of important elements. It has a geo-strategic position and It has a well-educated new generation that are becoming better educated every year.
You can always put the blame on managers and the authorities for poor planning, but I believe that the Chinese authorities are doing fine, they've turned China from a poor country under the influence of soviet Russia into an emerging super power. the thing is that the Chinese population is too large that they can do anything about high illiteracy, poverty and other problem in short terms.

It is. 117 people per square km.
Yea. I know.

yes population can equal power but only with very strong infrastructure

a low stable growth for iran is not bad , but only when we have the infrastructure
iran doesn even have the infastructure for 60 million
whenever we become like germany we can slowly build our population to its limit
dont forget iran has many issues with not only mechanical infa. but also water shortage and such things

and dont get excited by calling cnn and his buddies myths , you guys criticize everything and anything
i dont listen to them anyway, i have logic , dont need to copy a propoganda machine


you get way too over excited about an issue without measuring its consequences, you think its like a joke, population increase is a very sensitive issue

again when we have a strong industry , high standard of life and no people that believe in medieval islamic thought we can safely grow our numbers

those stupid ppl in the regime telling people to have crap loads of babies for imam zaman and if u have a baby u get like 100000 toman (which is soo little i dun even know how some ppl fall for that little bit) are full of crap and are idiots who wanr to destroy iran

and iran doesnt need a huge pop to become a super power, firslty, i dont care much if we are a super power, i rather be like sweden than usa or china
england was long a super power, did they have a sworming population or strong thinkers?

england was long a super power, did they have a sworming population or strong thinkers?

They had a big population (for that time period anyway) that was constantly growing and strong thinkers as well.

you get way too over excited about an issue without measuring its consequences, you think its like a joke, population increase is a very sensitive issue

I am measuring it's consequences, that's why I said build up the infrastructure and then have an TFR between 2.10 and 3.

China will be a colonialist sooner or later if you ask me.

Yep.

http://www.fastcompany.com/files/feature-100-china-africa2LG.jpg

Iran is already a regional power and patriotism aside, I believe Iran has the potential to be leading world power. not in the near future, like in less than 20 years, but certainly Iran has the potentiality to be a global power by 2050. It has vast energy resources, a large amount of precious stones and large deposits of important elements. It has a geo-strategic position and It has a well-educated new generation that are becoming better educated every year.

When I said regional power, I meant the dominant one, as in all of your neighbors being your bitches. :)

As far as the economy is concerned, I too think that Iran will become an superpower one day. But I can't imagine Iran doing military interventions in Peru or Angola for example. :nuts:

So we have agreed on the following road (might change slightly)

Tehran-Chalus/Chalus-Davamand-Tehran
Tehran-Abyaneh-Kashan-Esfahan
Esfahan-Chak Chak-Yazd
Yazd-Kerman-Kaluts-Yazd
Yazd-Shiraz-Persepolis
Shiraz-somewhere to Persian gulf :)

if something other near this route was interesting please inform us, thank you :)

iran with 100 million people.i dont want to imagine.fekr kon 100 milion diwane hahahhahahah donyaro mikhoran ina.hamin 75 million shuresho dar owordan

Guys, what do you know about the Zoroastrian community of Iran in terms of their socioeconomic status? Have they been as rich as the Zoroastrians of India?

When you compare Iranian Zoroastrians and Iranian Muslims who is generally more affluent, successful and educated - and to what extent? What about in comparison to the Jews? I am trying to find info online but nowhere seems to mention whether Zoroastrians in modern Iran were wealthy, poor or whatever (like from the Pahlavi era till today).

they are generally the same economically

under the pahlavis they were viewed as very a good sign of patriotism,
today they are a bit discriminated by authorities (like all other religions) but in general they are the same
but not like the ones india, the parsees in india have bin a dominant wealthy force in india for centuries
irania harja miran saranjam sarafrazo maye dar mian , vali tu keshvaro khodemun na!! :lol:

interesting enough, i have met zoroastrians mostly from the villages, they are all very kind and open minded regarding almost everything, shado shangoulan, mehrabunan
they think freely and liberaly
i am surprised to see that our own religion and culture can provide such a culture of open mindedness in the most remote areas, but when we see islam riding on our people .... lol

My Question: Do you believe in a secular and democratic Iran. That the population of Zoroastrians and other minority groups will grow enough to make a major shift/change in the Muslim postulation of Iran? Im guessing the amount of conversions would increase a great amount, and many non-Muslim Iranians would return to the homeland.

My Question: Do you believe in a secular and democratic Iran. That the population of Zoroastrians and other minority groups will grow enough to make a major shift/change in the Muslim postulation of Iran? Im guessing the amount of conversions would increase a great amount, and many non-Muslim Iranians would return to the homeland.

A great numbers of iranians are agnostic and atheist and the majority of the muslim population are very secular, so yes we want a free democratic, secular iran which respects the right of minorities both religious and ethnic minorities.

My Question: Do you believe in a secular and democratic Iran. That the population of Zoroastrians and other minority groups will grow enough to make a major shift/change in the Muslim postulation of Iran? Im guessing the amount of conversions would increase a great amount, and many non-Muslim Iranians would return to the homeland.

certainly, what u said is very realistic and hopefully will happen, its likely

ive seen large numbers of "muslims" (most of us arent really religious) convert to christianity, zoroastriamism atheism agnostic etc

but since conversion out of islam currently isnt legal the percentages dont change

with a secular system iran would be more religiously diverse, and hopefully the millions of us outside would return home

So true, i've always dreamed about being able to return to Iran sometime, i have it good here in Sweden but still, if the regime was toppled and it would become secular i would definitely move back.

Hopefully it would be by a democratically elected government, not some military junta, Mujahedin-e Khalq or the Communist party of Iran lol.

maybe a weird question,but are sms i send from my german mobile phone to an iranian one controlled by an iranian government institution?

same goes for iranian sms to me...
the messages aren´t really private,though,just the typical,how r u doing,i am doing this blabla...

^^ nicht sicher

i dont think they check if it doesnt contain certain words, i dunkno

^^ nicht sicher

i dont think they check if it doesnt contain certain words, i dunkno

merssssi

thanks for trying to write a little bit german :nuts:

merssssi

thanks for trying to write a little bit german :nuts:

lol kein problem

nd i know german so it was alles gut :)

Salam ! :D

Uhm...I don't know how to start.

I know that there are many Azeri speaking people in North-Western Iran,so:

1) What's the probability of encountering Azeri speaking people in the region between Turkey and Azerbaijan ? Let's take for example the city of Tebriz.

2) What do you recommend regarding withdrawing money/changing money ? I know there are some issues regarding the central bank of Iran...Or there aren't ?

Salam ! :D

Uhm...I don't know how to start.

I know that there are many Azeri speaking people in North-Western Iran,so:

1) What's the probability of encountering Azeri speaking people in the region between Turkey and Azerbaijan ? Let's take for example the city of Tebriz.

2) What do you recommend regarding withdrawing money/changing money ? I know there are some issues regarding the central bank of Iran...Or there aren't ?

merheba

1)azeris are the vasy majority in the region

over 90% of the people you would encounter in a city like tabriz are tabrizis, which speak azeri as their mother language, so almost all can speak azeri turkish

2) money exchange; banking in iran is a hassle since the system is corrupt and has many issues, exchanging money currently is a horrible idea since irans money currently isnt worth anything after the dollar injection drop

Thank you for your quick answer. :)

Ok, I got the first answer. I'm talking Crimean Tatar and Turkish (and several other Turkic languages), hope not to have a big problem with Azeri. I can understand 95% of Azerbaijani Turkish.

Now, you recommend me that I enter with cash, right ? :)
Where to change that money ? Where can I find Iranian riyals to buy ? I mean, isn't there a problem if I enter with Euros or dollars ? I don't really know Iran's stance on foreign money.

Thank you for your quick answer. :)

Ok, I got the first answer. I'm talking Crimean Tatar and Turkish (and several other Turkic languages), hope not to have a big problem with Azeri. I can understand 95% of Azerbaijani Turkish.

Now, where to change that money ? Where can I find Iranian riyals to buy ?

np

most large cities in turkey(if thats where you are from) like istanbul, ankara, antalya izmir etc certainly have iranian exchange offices ran by iranians, there are many here in toronto, thats where we get rials

np

most large cities in turkey(if thats where you are from) like istanbul, ankara, antalya izmir etc certainly have iranian exchange offices ran by iranians, there are many here in toronto, thats where we get rials

Hmmm okey.
That's how I'll do it. Inshalla ! :)

In Təbriz we have a special respect or those who speak Turkic(from any part of the world)
You are more than welcome ;)

@Cadir:
I moved your comments to the Randomness Thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1397650&page=13) Thread

can somebody recommend a good history book about persia, iran?

i am especially interested in the last century...mossadegh,the shah, the islamic revolution...

I recommend all the books by "Abbas Milani", his books are incredibly popular and sell out very fast.

don't want to start a sh!tstorm or anything...

But how do you feel about Israel?

about Netanyahu?

Obama?

my opinions, and for what i have seen , the ideas of many iranians, maybe the majority

israel is a country, good for it, i dont like what its government is doing to palestine, hopefully they both solve their issues so they work out some peace and rest
netanyahu is a thieve and criminal , we dont care much though

obama is a nice speaker

tha sums it up

for what i know, nobody even cares much regarding these issues in the manner that is portrayed in the media (from both sides)

don't want to start a sh!tstorm or anything...

But how do you feel about Israel?

about Netanyahu?

Obama?

We have no problem with any country east, west, south, north i hope that answers your question

I hear Iran has it's own domestic auto company...what are your cars like?

I hear Iran has it's own domestic auto company...what are your cars like?

Iran auto industry is the biggest in the middle east, but we don`t make many cars right now, because we are under four U.N. sanctions.

I think Iran produced some 1.7 million vehicles this year and approximately 1.5 million of them were passenger cars. We have several brands like Iran Khodro and SAIPA which are the biggest and do the bulk of the manufacturing and have their own cars/also produce under license and also some smaller auto makers like Kish Khodro, Morratab motors, Bahman, etc.

Iran is ranked 12th largest automaker in the world. They export to Russia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Egypt, Algeria, Bulgaria and more. The biggest Iranian auto company, Iran Khodro, also has production facilities in Belarus, Azerbaijan, Syria, Egypt, Senegal, and Venezuela. So Iran's auto industry is pretty huge.

True, but sadly it is underdeveloped and because of sanctions the cars they produce are pretty crappy if you compare it to new cars nowadays.

Hopefully the Dena and Runna will come into production soon.

I think Iran produced some 1.7 million vehicles this year and approximately 1.5 million of them were passenger cars. We have several brands like Iran Khodro and SAIPA which are the biggest and do the bulk of the manufacturing and have their own cars/also produce under license and also some smaller auto makers like Kish Khodro, Morratab motors, Bahman, etc.

So is Iran Khodro it's own corporation or a subsidiary of Peugeot?

So is Iran Khodro it's own corporation or a subsidiary of Peugeot?It is it's own corporation but it has strong ties with Peugeot.

I don't have a question

Before my Taiwanese friend had a Iranian travel
Iranians are good and enthusiasm
Monuments with history is the great
Many western reports are lies

May peace and happiness be with you always.

I've got a question... :tongue2:

How do Iranians differentiate between W and V? :dunno:

Seems like they use the same letter for both sounds.

^^ we have no "w" sound in persian so yea we pronounce them all as v lol

like "want" is pronounced "vant" , however most ppl after some practice learn the w sound , if thats what u mean

^^ we have no "w" sound in persian so yea we pronounce them all as v lol

like "want" is pronounced "vant" , however most ppl after some practice learn the w sound , if thats what u mean
So I take it the "و" letter is traditionally used to pronounce "V" most the time? Because I think it sometimes pronounces "O" as well. This confuses me again because how would I know if I should pronounce "و" as "va/ve/vo" or simply "o"? Like let's say we type Veronica in Persian:

ورونیکا

Is it pronounced "Veronica" or "Verovnica"? :tongue2: :nuts:

Thanks for the help, by the way. I love the Persian language. :)

:)

It's pronounced "VerOnica", the way the "و" is pronounced depends on when it's used.

It can mean both v and o, but you understand how to pronounce it when you see the word if you get what i mean.

Also, nice to hear that you are interested in the Persian language. It deserves more attention :D.

So I take it the "?" letter is traditionally used to pronounce "V" most the time? Because I think it sometimes pronounces "O" as well. This confuses me again because how would I know if I should pronounce "?" as "va/ve/vo" or simply "o"? Like let's say we type Veronica in Persian:

???????

Is it pronounced "Veronica" or "Verovnica"? :tongue2: :nuts:

Thanks for the help, by the way. I love the Persian language. :)

ooohhh

yes , ? is pronounced as "u" or "o" sometimes
, like the word "???" meaning river is pronounced "roud" , many words actually follow this, it practically has 3 sounds, v, o , and u


there is no main law, u just have to know which one is used where

most foreign words that have "o" are written with ? like ???? (lyonne, the french city) or like veronica as u pointed out

How wealthy do you think the top 1% or 2% in Iran are? What do you think their annual incomes are like, and do you think they would be similar to the annual incomes of the top 1% of the US, UK, France, etc?

And how many billionaires do you think there are in Iran? I've noticed there are none listed on Forbes, yet Forbes lists 34 billionaires in Turkey. I guess the size of Turkey's economy is similar to that of Iran's, and I'm guessing their income inequality is probably the same as Iran's too. Do you think Forbes is right that there are no billionaires in Iran, if there are, how many do you think there are, and who do you think they are??

^^ there are but iran isnt portrayed in forbes and such types of media

there are few types of rich in iran

1) mullahs who do the "bokhor bokhor", so many of them and their chadori wives driving s class amgs,

2) the ones that were rich from the start (parents etc) like the guy that built hotel dariush (though he is out of iran)

3) people with connections (his uncles buddy is an akhund so he buys him a factory lol)

5) and the few who work hard and get money since they deserve it

there are plenty of billionaires due to the corrupt system, many which dont have "income" ratger its what they squeeze out of funda and budgets

An estimated $500b-$600b has been lost in Iran during the last 7 years alone. There are a few hundred families (Sepah,basij, akhund and I persoanlly know a number of them) who steal Iran's money, sent their wives and child to stay outside of Iran and have massive investments in banks all over the world. There was a list published a few years ago detailing their wealth and also a book published called "millionaire mullas" whose author was "mysteriously" killed in Russia.
So yes, Iran has at least 10 billionaries that I know of. Khamenei family atleast have $12b, Rafsanjani, Rafighdoust, Vaez Tabasi, Abrishamchi and......you can look for them online.

lol

An estimated $500b-$600b has been lost in Iran during the last 7 years alone. There are a few hundred families (Sepah,basij, akhund and I persoanlly know a number of them) who steal Iran's money, sent their wives and child to stay outside of Iran and have massive investments in banks all over the world. There was a list published a few years ago detailing their wealth and also a book published called "millionaire mullas" whose author was "mysteriously" killed in Russia.
So yes, Iran has at least 10 billionaries that I know of. Khamenei family atleast have $12b, Rafsanjani, Rafighdoust, Vaez Tabasi, Abrishamchi and......you can look for them online.

if all the money that has been stollen from the people in the past 10 years was correctly used, iran could of been a very different place right now