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London - Full Summary of Projects

Here is a full summary of all London's high-rise projects, including the current status of each. :happy: :cheers:

Click here (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?14277621) to view scale diagrams.

And click for the Canary Wharf Annual Results 2005 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7736597&postcount=373).

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London Bridge Tower
Southwark SE1

Height: 310m
Floors: 71 + 16 radiator floors
Architect: Renzo Piano
Developer: Sellar Property Group

Links:
Official website (http://www.londonbridgetower.com)
Renzo Piano Building Workshop (http://www.rpbw.com)
Skyscrapers.com listing (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=101995)
Station redevelopment (http://www.tpbennett.co.uk/project.aspx?siteid=2&projectid=13)
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=306497)


Notes:
- Irvine Sellar's landmark tower, dubbed the "Shard of Glass" by the media, will be the first building in the UK to break the
1000ft barrier. It will dwarf the likes of Tower 42 and SwissRe.

- London's first truly "mixed use" tower, the floors will be divided as follows: 0-4 Public areas and retail; 5-28 Offices;
31-33 Public area and viewing gallery; 34-52 Hotel; 53-65 Apartments; 68-71 Upper viewing gallery;
72-87 Cooling radiator.

- At the lower levels, the skyscraper will extend the existing public concourse and open up routes connecting Guy's Hospital,
King's College and the southern residential areas to the business communities stretching along the river.

- 30% less energy will be required than for a conventional tall building through the extensive use of the latest
conservation and recycling techniques and materials. A ventilated double skin façade will considerably reduce heat gain
and increase comfort close to the facade. Excess heat from the offices will be used to heat the hotel and apartments
and any additional excess heat will be dissipated naturally through a 16-storey radiator at the top of the tower.
Winter gardens with operable louvre windows will be located on each floor allowing the occupants to connect with
the outside world.

- Following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the tower was structurally redesigned to improve stability and reduce
evacuation times.

- The total cost of the project is in excess of £1.2bn and includes major refurbishment of London Bridge tube and
bus stations, along with other local transport improvements.


Current Status:
Following objections from English Heritage, and a lengthy public inquiry, London Bridge Tower was given final approval by
Deputy PM John Prescott on 19th November, 2003. Sellar have given PricewaterhouseCoopers (tenants of the current site)
notice to vacate their building and say they are still fully committed to the project. They have now secured a major tenant -
Shangri-La Hotels, who will be occupying floors 34-52 - and are in final negotiations with Transport for London (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=595) for most
of the remaining space. Demolition of the site is scheduled for the 4th quarter of this year, with construction starting in the
summer of 2007 and finishing in 2010. Click here (http://shardlondonbridge.com/timeline/development_programme.php) for the official schedule.



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Bishopsgate Tower
City of London

Height: 288m
Floors: 63
Architect: Kohn Pederson Fox
Developer: DIFA (Deutsche Immobilien Fonds AG)


Links:
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=191046&page=1&pp=20)


Notes:
At 288m, the Bishopsgate Tower will form the dramatic centrepiece and soaring pinnacle of London’s financial district.

Plans for a tower on this site have been around since 2002. A previous design by Helmut Jahn was rejected after concerns
about the base and top, and its bulky appearance on the skyline. This new design, however, is far more sleek and elegantly
proportioned. The architects of this new version, Kohn Pederson Fox, have created a tower which is more sensitive to the
delicate City skyline, and complements the neighbouring proposals extremely well.


Current Status:
A planning application was submitted in June 2005. A revised planning application with a 19m height reduction was submitted
and given final approval in April 2006. DIFA are now seeking partners to help fund and build the tower. The full planning report can be
accessed by clicking here (http://www.minutes.org.uk/cgi-bin/cgi003.exe?Y,,,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,90,2001,City+of+London,REPORT,london,Planning+and+Transportation+Committee,BROWSE,,,,,,,,,,25.04.06,985850937,986879029,1,000000085967,1,1,1,P,29181892,0,00,00,N) and the current site can be viewed here (http://i6.tinypic.com/1zcmg6s.jpg).



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Heron Tower
110 Bishopsgate
City of London

Height: 242m spire, 203m roof
Floors: 46
Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates
Developer: Heron International PLC

Links:
3-D Flash animation (http://www.heron-international.com )
Heron Tower approval (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2144867.stm)
Mayor Ken Livingstone's comments (http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=1324)
Architects' project description (http://www.kpf.com/Projects/110bishopsgate.htm)
The Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE) (http://www.cabe.org.uk/news/press/showPRelease.asp?id=273)
Skyscrapers.com listing (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=101374)
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=283178)
New renderings from GMJ (http://www.gmj.net)


Notes:
Heron Tower was "called in" by John Prescott the Secretary of State on 27th February 2001, who directed the Corporation
not to grant planning permission and instead refer the application to him. The Public Inquiry was opened on 23rd October 2001
and closed on Monday 17th December 2001. On 22nd July 2002 The Secretary of State announced his decision;
accepting and agreeing with the conclusion reached by the Inspector, and granted planning permission for the development
of the Heron Tower.

Prescott agreed that no significant harm would come to the setting of St Paul's cathedral and that some marginal impact
on heritage interests was inevitable with any major development. He acknowledged that the tower would be
"an elegant, graceful and well proportioned structure" and would contribute to the overall supply of office accommodation
in the City, as well as boosting the economy.

Since that time, London has seen numerous other towers being proposed and approved, while Heron has continued to be
delayed. Tenants of the current site, Norton Rose, recently agreed to move offices to the More London development next to
City Hall but this development is unlikely to be completed until 2006/2007.

The Heron Tower scheme includes a second, smaller tower of around 90m, immediately adjacent to the main building's
north side. This is Heron Plaza (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=682) and will include 250,000 sq ft of retail space.


Current Status:
An additional 4 floors have been added to the final design of Heron Tower, taking its total height to 242m, making it the 2nd tallest
planned tower in the City of London. Preliminary work is being carried out on the site before demolition and construction can begin.
The site will be vacated in Autumn 2007 and the core is expected to be rising by late 2008.



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122 Leadenhall
City of London

Height: 225m
Floors: 52
Architect: Richard Rogers
Developer: British Land PLC

Links:
Official website (http://195.167.181.213/pdf/pdf/3510_web.pdf)
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/122_leadenhall.htm
Skyscrapers.com listing (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=149880)
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=273712)


Notes:
If built, the Leadenhall Building would become the tallest skyscraper in the City of London, at a whopping 225 metres.
It is designed by Richard Rogers, the man behind Lloyds of London, the Dome, and the Pompidou Centre in Paris. Despite its
height, the building has a relatively small amount of office space (500,000 sq ft), due to its unusual profile which means
the floorplates gradually decrease the higher up it goes. The slanting wedge-shaped design would be a stunning addition to
the London skyline. The base will feature a 90-foot high atrium that will extend the public area of St Helens whilst
providing shelter from wind and rain. Glass lifts will carry employees up the outside of the building, similar to those on the
Lloyds Building only twice the height!


Current Status:
Following an eight month planning application, the building was approved on 26th October 2004. The lease on the current
site won't expire until 2008. However, British Land recently announced that construction will start in 2007. Click here (http://www.minutes.org.uk/cgi-bin/cgi003.exe?Y,,,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,90,0,Corporation+of+London,REPORT,london,Planning+and+Transportation+Committee,BROWSE,,,,,,,,,,26.10.04,739171025,740078527,1,000000079731,1,1,1,P,60741610,0,00,00,N)
to view the full planning report from the Corporation of London.



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Beetham Tower
Southwark SE1

Height: 226m
Floors: 70
Architect: Ian Simpson Architects
Developer: Beetham Organization

Links
SSC Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=230155)

Notes:
This huge 70-storey tower would be one of the tallest residential buildings in Europe. The developers, Beetham, are renowned
for the speedy construction of their towers, as seen in other UK cities, and if this London tower is approved it will almost certainly
start construction immediately. The site has already been demolished. It is a very controversial project, however, being located in
such a prominent and central location, and so close to the river.

Current Status: Architect Ian Simpson has been asked to redesign this tower (http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2003) - in particular, its overhanging shape - before it
can be submitted for planning approval.



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North Quay
Docklands E14

Height: 216m (tower one) and 203m (tower three) and 120m (tower two)
Floors: 44 and 38 and 18
Architect: Cesar Pelli
Developer: Canary Wharf Group

Links:
Cesar Pelli website (http://www.cesar-pelli.com/flash.cfm)
Skyscrapers.com listing (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=104922)
http://www.canarywharf.com/news/news%20stories/pr_11.htm


Notes:
This trio of towers would be situated on a 7-acre site at the northern edge of the Canary Wharf estate. Previously known
as Shed 35, the site was sold to CWG with planning permission for a mixed-use development. Development of North Quay
is likely to take place after the completion/letting of the nearby Churchill Place and Riverside South districts.
In total, the North Quay scheme will provide over 4 million sq ft of floorspace for retail and offices. As part of the Crossrail
development, a new station will be built here. A bridge designed by Will Alsop will also feature as part of the project.


Current Status:
Approved, but unlikely to start construction until 2010 or later, unless a major tenant comes forward.



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Riverside South
Docklands E14

Height: 214m and 189m
Floors: 44 and 38
Architect: Richard Rogers
Developer: Canary Wharf Group

Links:
Richard Rogers website (http://195.167.181.213/pdf/pdf/3410_web.pdf)
RS1 (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=135460)
RS2 (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=135459)
http://www.canarywharf.com/news/news%20stories/pr_11.htm


Notes:
These twin towers, joined at the base, would be situated on the south-western edge of the Canary Wharf estate.
Accountancy giants, PricewaterhouseCoopers, have expressed an interest in taking these buildings for their new HQ.


Current Status:
Approved in summer 2004. Unlikely to start construction until a pre-let has been secured though.



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20 Fenchurch Street
City of London

Height: 192m
Floors: 45
Architect: Rafael Vinoly
Developer: Land Securities

Links:
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321409)


Notes:
This huge proposal, already nicknamed the "Walkie Talkie", would be located at the southern end of the cluster,
near the Thames. It would replace an existing 91m building from the 1960s and would significantly bulk out the
skyline when viewed from Waterloo Bridge. Opinions are very divided on this tower's unusual design.
If approved, Land Securities plans to start building in the third quarter of 2007.


Current Status:
A planning application was submitted in March 2006 and the developers hope to start construction in 2007 if the
scheme is approved. They have confirmed it will be built speculatively.



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St George's Wharf
Vauxhall, SW8

Height: 181m
Floors: 49
Architect: Broadway Malyan
Developer: St George

Links:
Broadway Malyan (http://www.broadwaymalyan.com/projects/sustainability/vauxhall-tower.cfm)
Skyscrapers.com listing (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=134303)
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/st_georges_wharf.htm


Notes:
- Energy efficiency is one of the Vauxhall Tower's most important aspects. The structure is topped by a wind turbine, which
will power the tower's common lighting. At the base of the tower, water will be drawn from the London Aquifer and heat pump
technology will be used to remove warmth from the water in the winter to heat the apartments. The tower will require one
third of the energy compared to a similar building and CO2 release will be between one half and two thirds of normal
emissions. It will be triple glazed to minimise heat loss and gain, with low ‘e’ glazing and ventilated blinds between the glazing
to further reduce heat gain.

- If built, Vauxhall Tower would be the tallest residential building in the United Kingdom and one of the tallest in Europe. The
total height from the basement is 185.4m (608.3ft) - 180.6m (592.5ft) of which is above ground. There is 1 basement floor,
1 ground floor (with mezzanine), 48 residential floors and a mechanical penthouse, all topped by an 11.4m (37.4ft) tall
wind turbine.


Current Status:
Following ongoing advice from the government architectural body CABE (Commission for Architecture and the Built
Environment), two revised planning applications were submitted and subsequently withdrawn. A final decision was made by the
ODPM in April 2005 and the tower was approved ( http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/17731809?source=Evening%20Standard ). It has been confirmed that construction won't start until 2008, however.



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Doon Street Tower
Southwark

Height: 168m
Floors: 48
Architect: Lifschutz Davidson Sandilands
Developer: Coin Street Community Builders

Links:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=3907
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2164
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=349637)


Notes:
This is a 47-storey mixed-use development and would be one of the tallest buildings on London's South Bank.
Its height and location make this a controversial project, as it would infringe on famous views from St James' Park (http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/images/060512_stjamespark.jpg).
It would also interfere with views from the pods in the London Eye. For many people, the design and aesthetics of
the tower are also unappealling. It cannot be denied, however, that this project would greatly help in
regenerating the surrounding area, improving pedestrian links and other amenities.


Current Status:
A planning application was submitted in May 2006. Despite its height and the controversial location, it stands a fair to moderate chance
of being approved, as the developers have spent a great deal of time consulting with Southwark Council.



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Broadgate Tower/201 Bishopsgate
City of London

Height: 165m
Floors: 35
Architect: Skidmore Owings and Merril
Developer: British Land

Links:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=162
Webcam 1 (http://www.britishland.com/content/images/201WebCam/images/camputer3.jpg)
Webcam 2 (http://www.britishland.com/content/images/201WebCam/images/camputer30.jpg)


Notes:
British Land announced they would build this skyscraper, the Broadgate Tower, speculatively (i.e. without a pre-let). It will stand
on the northern edge of the City, quite far from the main cluster, but still in a fairly prominent location next to the Broadgate Complex.
Along with the adjoining 63m building, 201 Bishopsgate, it will contain a vast amount of floorspace, over 850,000 sq ft.


Current Status: Under Construction!



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Pan Peninsula Tower
Docklands E14

Height: 147m
Floors: 50
Architect: Skidmore Owings & Merril
Developer: Ballymore

Current Status: Under Construction!

Links
Official construction thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310428)

Notes:
The name of this tower - full of luxury apartments including a cocktail bar on the 50th floor - was recently changed
from 1 Milharbour to the Pan Peninsula Tower, as part of its marketing programme. It will be one of
the tallest residential buildings in the country.


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Crossharbour
Docklands E14

Height: 131m
Floors: 43
Architect: Skidmore Owings & Merril
Developer: Ballymore

Current Status: Under Construction!

Links
Official construction thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=335477)

Notes:
This project has been around since 2000. It was originally proposed as 6 towers, the tallest being 157m. It was then proposed
as a single tower of 171m, but following complaints from local residents this was cut down to 131m before being approved.
Work began in May 2006 and is expected to be completed by 2008. It shares the same architect and developer as the
nearby Pan Peninsula Tower, also under construction.


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51 Lime Street (The Willis Building)
City of London

Height: 125m
Floors: 26
Architect: Foster and Partners
Developer: British Land

Links:
The OFFICIAL 51 Lime Street (Willis Building) Construction thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=375334)
Webcam 1 (http://www.51limestreet.com/gallery_cam.htm)
Webcam 2 (http://www.51limestreet.com/gallery_cam2.htm)


Notes:
Foster’s second major tower for the City of London, this will stand opposite the Lloyds Building and SwissRe.
All 400,000 sq ft of the building has been let to the Willis Group, who wanted “an iconic building” for their new HQ.


Current Status:
Under construction!



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Pioneer Point North
Ilford, North London

Height: 105m
Floors: 31
Developer: Empire Property Group

Links:
The OFFICIAL Pioneer Point construction thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=265492)
More renderings (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=142)


Notes:
Pioneer Point is a complex of two interlinked towers, the tallest to the north, and will stand close to the site of the Olympics.
It is a residential development and the height will be 105m/31 storeys.


Current Status:
Under construction!



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Ontario Tower, New Providence Wharf
Canary Wharf

Height: 104m
Floors: 32
Architect: Skidmore Owings & Merril
Developer: Ballymore

Links:
The OFFICIAL Ontario Tower (New Providence Wharf) Construction thread ( http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=130921&page=1&pp=20)
More renderings (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesall.php?idi=Ontario%2BTower%2BNew%2BProvidence%2BWharf&ref=166&selfidi=166OntarioTowerNewProvidenceWharf_pic1.jpg&self=nse&no=1&x=56&y=65)


Notes:
This lipstick-shaped tower will become one of the tallest residential developments in the Docklands. It was recently given a
height increase to 104m. Construction is well underway and the building’s core has topped out.


Current Status:
Under construction!



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Exchange Tower
City of London

Height: 100m
Floors: 26
Architect: Nicholas Grimshaw
Developer: Hammerson

Links:
SSC thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=228129&page=1)


Notes:
The old Stock Exchange tower, in the heart of the City, is set to undergo a major renovation. This will involve a
complete recladding of the exterior, and substantial expansion of the internal office space. A crane recently arrived on site,
meaning this project is now active. Work is set to be completed in early 2007 and once finished it will contain more than
45,000 square metres of refurbished office space, plus 2,500 square metres of new retail space on the lower floors and
new pedestrian links joining Old Broad Street with Throgmorton Street.


Current Status: Under construction!



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Other Projects (various)

This includes all 'midrise' buildings under 150m. Also listed are any other schemes worth mentioning, such as long term projects,
towers in pre-planning, or rumoured but unconfirmed schemes. Projects highlighted in red are under construction. Here they are,
in descending order of height:


Columbus Tower (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=47). This huge skyscraper was planned for a site just outside the northwestern edge of the Canary Wharf estate.
It secured full planning permission and looked like being certain to go ahead. Sadly, the rich Arab investor who was funding it
passed away, the tower has since been shelved and the site sold on. Although this project appears to be dead for the time being,
there is still a chance it could be resurrected at some point in the future, or another similar-sized tower from a different developer
could replace it - the site in question is a prime piece of real estate and has planning permission for a tower of 237m/61 storeys.


The Minerva Building (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=50). This huge tower, planned for a site near Aldgate Station on the eastern edge of the City, would be
a stunning addition to the London skyline and the first office tower in the Square Mile to contain more than a million square feet
of floorspace. However, recent announcements appear to suggest that the developers, Minerva Plc, are reluctant to press ahead
with the scheme due to the difficulty of finding tenants, and the competition from other nearby tower schemes such as the
Bishopsgate Tower, 122 Leadenhall, Heron Tower and 20 Fenchurch Street. It still has a chance of going ahead at some point
in the future, though, so it cannot be ruled out completely just yet. If built, the height would be an impressive 217m/53 storeys.


Heron Quays West (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/sh/?id=100637&txt=Heron%20Quays%20West). This is a long term option for Canary Wharf, still at the pre-planning stage, which could include 2 new towers,
one of 214m/40 storeys and another of 156m/29 storeys.


20 Blackfriars Road (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=364490&page=1). Land Securities are planning a "crystalline" tower that will stand on a site almost immediately
adjacent to the Beetham Tower mentioned above. The architect is Wilkinson Eyre. Height was initially rumoured to be 176m,
but the new model shows it to be around 200m.


80-88 Bishopsgate (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=354677&page=1&pp=20). This tower has been planned for several years now. It would stand in a very prominent location
at the heart of the City of London cluster, and was initially rumoured to be 260m/55 storeys, but is now reported
to be 40 storeys which would make it around 180-190m.


Northgate (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=4713). A massive residential scheme being planned by Hammerson, which would stand on a site immediately adjacent to
the Broadgate Tower, on the northern edge of the City. The architect is Foster. It would contain a vast amount of residential
and hotel space including a tower of 181m/50 storeys.


Vauxhall Cluster (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=221585&page=8&pp=20). In addition to St George's Wharf (already approved - see the main summary), there are at least 4 other
similar-sized towers being planned for the area. These include Squire and Partners' twin tower Vauxhall Cross (http://www.squireandpartners.com) scheme,
London and Regional's Vauxhall Bondway Tower (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=1523) and yet another 600-footer at Nine Elms Lane.


Stratford City Tower (http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/622/4906095523.jpg), in Newham. This is still a long way off (2010 perhaps), but is very likely to get the go-ahead
and will most likely be a skyscraper of around 170m/50 storeys. It will form the pinnacle of a new cluster.


Bevis Marks Tower (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2014). 168m/40 storey office tower that could fill the gap between SwissRe and Minerva.
Few details are known about this project at the moment, as it's still in pre-planning and is unlikely to be
built until the next property cycle.


Greenwich View Place Redevelopment (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=4690). A mixed office and hotel scheme being planned by Rowan Asset Management.
The architect is Sheppard Robson. This would stand to the south of Canary Wharf. Height is estimated at 165m/54 storeys.
More pics here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8557005&postcount=100


Multiplex Tower ( http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=289065). This major new residential tower was approved in March 2006 as part of the Elephant & Castle redevelopment.
It will stand 147m tall and construction is expected to start in early 2007.


Wood Wharf (http://www.woodwharf.com). This will include two towers of around 140m. Construction of these could begin in 2006.


22 Marshwall (http://www.22marshwall.com/images/largimg7_gp.jpg). 140m tall and 110m tall residential towers for Marshwall in the Isle of Dogs literally next door to riverside south.
It was recently confirmed that they will start construction in 2006.


The Three Sisters (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310912&page=1). A trio of buildings in Waterloo, situated next to the Shell Building. The tallest would be around 140m.


East India Dock Road Development (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=593). After the successful launch of the Elektron Tower scheme, Barratt Homes have
another new project for a site just over the road. This consists of a series of post-modernist yellow apartment blocks,
the tallest of which is around 138m/45 floors.


City Road tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=8854142). LMS are planning a mixed-use scheme next to the Old Street roundabout, on the northern edge of the City.
This could start in 2008 if it gets planning, as they get vacant possesion at the end of 2007. Height is an impressive 43 storeys.


Grand Union Building (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=102967). 132m office tower, part of the Paddington Basin redevelopment. Currently on-hold due to downturn
in the office market.


Crossharbour (http://www.ballymore.co.uk/site/bally_development_page.php?search=1&country=1&type=&available=2&development_id=13). 131m residential tower being planned for the Docklands. The original proposal for this building was
53 storeys tall, with a structural height of 170 metres. It was reduced in height following concerns from local residents
and the planning authority.


Kings Reach Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=24379). Reclad of the existing tower, plus a height increase to 130m. Consent for the scheme was granted in July 2005.


Dome Waterfront Hotel (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=85). Situated on the Greenwich Peninsula, this has been approved and will become
the UK's tallest hotel. 127m.


Lots Road, Chelsea (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=313119&page=1&pp=20). Two residential towers, one of 122m/37 storeys and another of 85m/25 storeys. The taller tower
was originally planned at 99m, but was given a height increase and has now been approved. The shorter building,
originally planned at 130m, has now been reduced in height, and is approved.


News International, Wapping (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/newsintl1.jpg). The headquarters of News International will feature two towers - one of 122m/27 storeys
and another of 56m/12 storeys. These will stand mid-way between the City of London and Canary Wharf. If approved,
construction could begin in 2005.


Convoy's Wharf (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=221231). A trio of 3 residential towers in Greenwich, all of which were recently approved. The tallest
will be 116m/40-storeys, but its AOD height will be significantly higher, at 148m. The other towers
will be 91m/32 storeys and 72m/26 storeys respectively. Architect is Richard Rogers.


Islington City Basin Towers (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=299). Two towers with heights of 115m and 90m have outline planning permission for a site
in Islington, North London. Construction is expected to begin very soon.


Arrowhead Quay (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=324062). New office development being developed by Ballymore that will stand just to the south of the
main cluster. Construction is very likely to start in either late 2006 or early 2007. Height is 112m/25 storeys.


Walbrook Square (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351887). A major redevelopment of a prominent site between Cannon Street and Bank stations which will see
the demolition of Bucklesbury House (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2371), one of the City's ugliest and most notorious concrete groundscrapers. In its place will
stand four individual buildings connected by a new public square and 'historic' pedestrian routes, along with an exhibition space
displaying the remains of the Roman Temple of Mithras. In total, this massive development will contain almost a million square feet
of floorspace and will feature buildings of 106m, 71m, 67m and 66m. This development will be very visible from Waterloo Bridge.


100 Middlesex Street (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=4751). A midrise tower that will stand close to the site of Minerva and will help to stretch the City skyline
northeastwards. This was approved in May 2004 as an office tower, but has now been proposed as a residential tower instead.
This has seen a very slight height reduction, but an increase in the number of floors and will now be 105m/34 storeys.


Eagle House (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8446145&postcount=989). A mixed-use tower for Old Street/City Road, just north of the City. Approved in April 2006. Architect is Terry Farrell
and the developer is Groveworld. Height is 104m/34 storeys.


Millharbour Residentials (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351924). This new development is proposed right next door to the Pan Peninsula towers. It consists of
six interlinked towers of various heights, the tallest being approximately 100m/30 floors.


United Standard House (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/united_standard_house.jpg). This combined hotel and office will stand near the Minerva Building. It will contain a glass atrium
of interlocking sheets that rise up the middle all the way to its top. The height will be just under 100m/24 storeys.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2004


Reuters Blackwall Yard Redevelopment (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=591). Another project designed by Squire and Partners which includes a residential
tower of 98m/29 storeys. The development has been approved and will be located near Canary Wharf.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=591


Milton Court (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=313664). A redevelopment on Moor Lane, right near Citypoint and the Barbican, which will include a 30-storey residential tower.
This is unusual for the City, as the Corporation is normally reluctant to allow residential schemes.


Waterloo Trilogy Tower (http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/2178). Willingale Associates have plans for a 30 storey tower - dubbed Waterloo Trilogy Tower - on the
corner of Waterloo Road and Baylis Road (http://tinyurl.com/j9b4b), near the London Eye.


Various projects in Croydon (http://www.investincroydon.com/index.asp?id=61) including a possible 28-storey "leaning tower".


Ropemaker Place (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=327614). A new midrise for the City which will stand literally next door to Citypoint and Moorhouse. The height
is fairly significant and it will help to bulk out the northwestern part of the cluster. 93m/23 storeys.


"Baby Shard" (a.k.a. New London Bridge House) (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=4536). As part of the Shard London Bridge development, Irvine Sellar plans to
demolish New London Bridge House (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=246) and replace it with a 600,000 sq ft office building of 88m.


West End Green (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=127). A residential tower that could start construction next year. Reduced in height from 133m to 85m.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=127


Tabard Square (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=129356). Residential tower under construction in Southwark. Height is 82m. The building is now topped out.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=130


Swiss Cottage Station Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8345297&postcount=835). Manchester developer Pervaiz Naviede is planning a tower of up to 25 storeys in north London,
after buying a landmark site above Swiss Cottage Tube station from CIT.


30 Crown Place (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7278832). A wide, glassy office tower is planned for Shoreditch, just to the north of the City, near Broadgate.
It was approved in February 2006. Architects are Horden Cherry Lee, and the tower's height will be 81m/19 storeys.

Elektron Towers (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=344989). Developer Barratt Homes has begun construction of a massive housing scheme along
Aspen Way, opposite the Millenium Dome. This will feature three towers ranging in height from 73m to 81m.


Mitre Square (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=899). Another new midrise from Helical Bar, planned for EC3 in the City. Architect is Sheppard Robson.
It was recently confirmed that construction will start in 2006. Height will be 80m/19 storeys.


Chesterfield House (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2916). New midrise being planned for Wembley, North London. The design is similar to Moorhouse.
It has been approved since 2001 and is yet to begin work. Height is 80m/19 storeys.


Lewisham Gateway (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=8920014&postcount=535). A major redevelopment of this busy shopping and transport hub, the masterplan includes
various midrises including a possible 77m tower.


252-385 Alie Street (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7466841). Hamilton Associates have submitted planning proposals for a new 76m/25 storey energy-efficient tower
in Aldgate. The building will have 287 apartments including affordable housing, plus retail units at ground floor.


Drapers Gardens redevelopment (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=352939). New 74m midrise to replace the existing 100m tower. This will be the tallest demolition
ever carried out in the UK.


Dashwood House (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=591). This midrise near Liverpool Street station is getting a reclad and a height increase, to 73m/17 storeys.


Poplar Business Park Tower (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3492/galliard6dl.jpg). Galliard Homes are planning a new residential development to the northeast of Canary Wharf
and the scheme is currently being marketed. Height is 24 storeys, which would be around 72m. The planning application
can be accessed here (http://194.201.98.213/WAM/showCaseFile.do;jsessionid=76ECE941DCF853466282168DB28BFA2B?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=PA/04/510).


44 Hopton Street (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7628674). Work has now started on this 72m residential midrise, which will stand next to the Tate Modern in Southwark.
It was originally refused planning permission by Southwark Council, but was approved following an appeal.


Royex House (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=239763). A 70m midrise for the City which will add to the cluster around CityPoint/Moorhouse.


1 Commercial Street (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/1commercial_street.jpg). A new 70m tower for the eastern edge of the City. It will join several other new towers
in the Aldgate area, the largest of course being Minerva.


Potters Fields (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesall.php?ref=1614&idi=Potters+Fields+Tower+2&self=nse&selfidi=1614PottersFieldsTower2_pic2.jpg&no=2). A cluster of 8 towers, resembling Daleks, that would be built on the green space currently situated between
Tower Bridge and City Hall. The tallest would be 69m. They were recently approved, the developers are now
unlikely to pursue the scheme, following massive opposition by local residents.


Ability Place, also known as 31-39 Millharbour (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2068). A residential development that will stand close to the Pan Peninsula Tower.
Construction started in January 2006 and the height will be 67m/22 floors.


Wandsworth Road Development (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=4837). A new residential midrise for Wandsworth Road, SW8. Height is 65m/21 storeys.


The Stratford Eye (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7841143). Also known as Maryland Works Redevelopment. A new 19-storey tower being built as part of
the regeneration of Stratford. 58m/19 floors.


Churchill Place (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346835). A trio of enormous groundscrapers being built around the Barclays headquarters in Canary Wharf. Once they are finished,
it is expected that Riverside South will be the next buildings to go up.


Bankside 2 (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2622) and Bankside 3 (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=2623). Part of the Bankside 123 (http://www.bankside123.co.uk/) development which has been under construction for some time now.
These large groundscrapers are being built right next to the Tate Modern. Height is 46m/11 storeys.


More London (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/bdbsearch.php?qns=More+London&x=0&y=0). A group of huge midrises on the South Bank, directly opposite the City, adjacent to City Hall. These have been
under construction for some time now, with over half of the development already completed. Tenants of the Heron Tower site,
Norton Rose, will be moving there in the Autumn of next year, allowing construction of Heron Tower to start. Height of
these buildings is only 44m/10 storeys, but they contain vast amounts of floorspace and will add a significant amount of bulk
and density to the area.


Westminster Bridge Park Plaza (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=351973). A 14-storey luxury hotel with 900 suites, along with business lounges, executive meeting rooms,
a ballroom, 2 restaurants, a brasserie, bars, health spa, gymnasium and indoor pool. It will also feature one of London's
largest conference rooms. It replaces an ugly groundscraper on a site virtually opposite Big Ben.








City of London and City Fringe Map

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/city_development_map.jpg

COMPLETED
A - 99 Bishopsgate
B - Draper's Gardens
C - Angel Court
D - Tower 42
E - Stock Exchange Tower
F - St. Helen's
G - Lloyd's Building
H - 54 Lombard Street
I - 20 Fenchurch Street
J - 30 St Mary Axe (SwissRe)
K - 58 Fenchurch Street (AIG Europe)
L - Plantation Place
M, O, P - Barbican Towers
N - Citypoint
Q - 125 London Wall
R - 200 Aldersgate Street
31 - Moor House

UNDER CONSTRUCTION
2 - Ropemaker Place
6 - 51 Lime Street (Willis Building)
30 - Royex House

APPROVED
1 - Alie Street Hotel
3 - 100 Middlesex Street
4 - Heron Plaza
5 – Heron Tower (110 Bishopsgate)
6 - 51 Lime Street
7 - 64-74 Mark Lane
10 - Minerva Building
14 - 122 Leadenhall Street (British Land)
33 - 1 Commercial Street

PROPOSED
8 - Norton Folgate
9 - 80-88/104 Bishopsgate & 1-11 Camomile Street Redevelopment (Great Portland Estates)
11 - 30 & 32-38 Duke's Place Redevelopment (Corporation of London)
12 - International House Redevelopment (20-storey tower by Helical Bar plc.)
13 – Bishopsgate Tower (DIFA)
15 - Ellerman House
16 - Beetham Tower
17 - Aldgate Union
18 - United Standard House
19 - Bury Street Tower



http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1585/basicinstinct6bs.jpg

Medo
May 15th, 2006, 12:10 AM
I predict this thread will reach 1000 posts in 20 days ;)

TallBox
May 15th, 2006, 12:26 AM
Those last three pictures are stunning!!!! The last one especially. Is there a hi-res one of that anywhere??

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 12:35 AM
They are screenshots from Basic Instinct II.

gothicform
May 15th, 2006, 12:59 AM
you mean - basically it stinks too

gothicform
May 15th, 2006, 01:03 AM
why is crossharbour listed as u.c. it isnt.

DarJoLe
May 15th, 2006, 01:13 AM
Demolition of the London Arena has.

gothicform
May 15th, 2006, 02:11 AM
so what. they arent building the building. its misleading of people to claim this is u.c and thats u.c simply because a site is being cleared.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 15th, 2006, 04:41 AM
Can someone tell me what's happening with the Old Stock exchange re-clad? I relly want to see this crappy looking tower restored to primo condition, but the whole thing seems to be happening reeeeely slowly!

Fragmentor
May 15th, 2006, 09:52 AM
A nice arial shot of Swiss Re as the last pic looks good :yes:

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 10:36 AM
I reckon we'll hear about another 200m+ proposal this week.

*looks at goth*

:)

DarJoLe
May 15th, 2006, 11:18 AM
so what. they arent building the building. its misleading of people to claim this is u.c and thats u.c simply because a site is being cleared.

We had an official 51 Lime Street thread when the old building started demolition, there's an official Pioneer Point thread even though that hasn't broken ground, we had a Palestra thread even though that was a hole in the ground, I expect we'll have a Shard thread when Southwark Towers comes down and I expect as soon as the scaffolding goes up on 122 Leadenhall. I don't know what the problem is.

london lad
May 15th, 2006, 12:32 PM
Hadid's AF building next to bankside 2&3 is running a little late & wont be ready till 2008- still better late than never.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=426&storyCode=3067283

Newcastle Guy
May 15th, 2006, 12:33 PM
I reckon we'll hear about another 200m+ proposal this week.

*looks at goth*

:)

that would make my month, and believe me my month needs some making!

JDRS
May 15th, 2006, 01:52 PM
Great summary, glad to see that things are, slowly, moving forward.

Fragmentor
May 15th, 2006, 02:03 PM
any hints as to where this 200m+ tower is gonna be? ;)

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 02:11 PM
Blackfriars Road

jorgen
May 15th, 2006, 02:47 PM
Maybe the new Beetham tower design then :)

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 03:37 PM
Or another tower.

GazKinz
May 15th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Residential?

Reddensg
May 15th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Hadid's AF building next to bankside 2&3 is running a little late & wont be ready till 2008- still better late than never.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=426&storyCode=3067283
I have the plans for the new Architecture Foundation on my desk and the design has changed hugely. The biggest change is the cladding. It's planned to be clad in polished metal, chrome by the looks of it, resembling the sculpture in the centre of Anish Kapoor Millennium Park in Chicago.

Below is a test render showing what they hope it will look like if ZH can get approval.

http://f5.putfile.com/5/13410364226.jpg

I really like it and think it's better than the original design.

DarJoLe
May 15th, 2006, 04:49 PM
A terrible location for such an iconic building.

Newcastle Guy
May 15th, 2006, 04:50 PM
Or another tower.

20 Blackfriars road?

eXSBass
May 15th, 2006, 05:29 PM
I think we need some comparisons of London Scrapers against the Scrapers in 'York, just to show at what heights London is willling to go to reclaim the world as the leading city.
"Too many times it happens too fast, you change your passion for glory" It used to be how a city was, not how tall its buildings were.
However I welcome Skyscrapers, bring them, bring them, bring them.

Jonny 5
May 15th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Having the most or the tallest skyscrapers doesn't make anywhere a better city.

But since you asked:
New York has 200+ buildings over 150m and London has 9 + 1 if your counting BT Tower.

Those are only completed buildings BTW.

Fragmentor
May 15th, 2006, 08:04 PM
well, I suppose we could be further afield....;)

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 08:23 PM
New York might have all those skyscrapers, but it doesn't have 1,000 year old castles, Roman ruins, royal palaces, 13th century cathedrals, world heritage sites, the largest Hindu temple outside India, etc...

Jonny 5
May 15th, 2006, 08:37 PM
And they don't have the world's tallest (and ugliest) hospital...

wjfox
May 15th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Or the world's tallest observation wheel.

DarJoLe
May 15th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Or the Gherkin.

Jonny 5
May 15th, 2006, 11:25 PM
Having the most or the tallest skyscrapers doesn't make anywhere a better city.

But since you asked:
New York has 200+ buildings over 150m and London has 9 + 1 if your counting BT Tower.

Those are only completed buildings BTW.

You would also have to go back to 1926 to find a New York that would have as many 150m+ skyscrapers as London has right now in 2006.

Mikey
May 15th, 2006, 11:35 PM
the largest Hindu temple, thats hardly a claim to fame, But London is still....Home :)

london lad
May 16th, 2006, 01:28 AM
Beetham should be releasing details of there redesigned tower pretty soon now that the local elections are over.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 16th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Beetham should be releasing details of there redesigned tower pretty soon now that the local elections are over.
And it better be a dam sight better then the origional hunk of junk they came up with! When I first saw threads on the Beetham tower, I saw quite a few people saying how cool it looked and what a great location, and I seemed to be alone in thinking that no, it isn't a good design, it is bulky and bland, and the location isn't that great either, nowhere near other skyscrapers, so it could stand out like a sore thumb!

I'm expecting...or rather hoping...for a radical change in the design, into something elegant and unique, that enhances the area!

:cheers:

london lad
May 16th, 2006, 04:52 AM
it is bulky and bland, and the location isn't that great either, nowhere near other skyscrapers, so it could stand out like a sore thumb!

I'm expecting...or rather hoping...for a radical change in the design, into something elegant and unique, that enhances the area!

:cheers:

How can you describe a a double skinned, tall & rather slender (having seen the models) with a prounouced bump (which seemed to be the most contentious issue with most people) as bulky & bland?!?!?

And whats the kings reach tower & Wilkinsons Eyres proposals (which are right next door to beethemas site) then if there not skyscrapers???

Fragmentor
May 16th, 2006, 08:37 AM
I wouldnt say bulky and bland myself, but a slender elegant, tapering tower would be a good thing to have from this redesign

DarJoLe
May 16th, 2006, 10:52 AM
If it has Beetham's random piss streaked green cladding I'm going to cry.

potto
May 16th, 2006, 11:06 AM
I liked Beetham, it was sensual especially from the river view, but I will accept the side view could be made more slender for a more sexy beast, im hoping that the changes are slight

wjfox
May 16th, 2006, 11:13 AM
The 'overhang' will change - that's what it said on the SE1 website.

mulattokid
May 16th, 2006, 01:18 PM
the largest Hindu temple, thats hardly a claim to fame, But London is still....Home :)


of course it is ????

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM
How can you describe a a double skinned, tall & rather slender (having seen the models) with a prounouced bump (which seemed to be the most contentious issue with most people) as bulky & bland?!?!?
Very easily! If you just look at the renders of it, you have to agree that the design is pretty dam bland! There is no originality in it, just a straight up tower that curves out ridiculously near the top....what is special about that?? It is a hunded million billion lightyears away from the quality designs of Bish tower and LBT, or even heron tower and Leadenhall. And the fact that it has gone back to the drawing board shows that I am not alone in my oppinion!

Don't get me wrong, this is deffinietly not a criticism of London or anything, after all I love just about every proposed skyscraper for the city, cus most of them are unique and will bring style to the area, but Beetham and Fenchurch St do not appeal to me at all, and I think London can and should do much better then that!


And whats the kings reach tower & Wilkinsons Eyres proposals (which are right next door to beethemas site) then if there not skyscrapers???
Oh yer, forgot about those towers, what is the situation regarding them? Do we have any renders or news yet? If they do get built...and that's a big if...maybe it won't look so bad, as part of a small cluster, but from all the renderings of the Beetham tower, it just looks as if its standing alone at the edge of the riverside, towering over a load of small buildings....and it wouldn't be so bad if the tower tapered and thinned out at the top like Bish or LBT, but it has a massive overhang, which makes it seem evern more out of place among low-rise buildings.....hopefully this will change with the redesign and a few other skyscrapers!


Btw, on a random note, I just thought I'd try typing in willfox.com and was surprised to find that there was an actual site, but I was greeted with this message:

Please note, due to people excessively hotlinking from my site, I've had to temporarily remove
the homepage and several other pages to save on bandwidth for this month. Normal service
should be resumed in early March...

Will


...what's going on Foxy?...I'm assuming that's your website....it's past March now man.... ;)

:cheers:

Newcastle Guy
May 16th, 2006, 04:30 PM
I hate the towers overhang, but love this angle:

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/7DF2D6B08CEF11DAAC0A140E52272983.jpg

Reminds me of a snake a little bit

Plus it's huge @ 220m, Alot bigger than swiss re and T42, and even bigger than HSBC and Citigroup

And unlike CW and Vauxhall etc, it looks like the buildings will all be different heights and won't just form a wall

jorgen
May 16th, 2006, 04:59 PM
Is the redesigned Beetham likely to be as tall as the original?

Newcastle Guy
May 16th, 2006, 05:09 PM
Hopefully

wjfox
May 16th, 2006, 05:32 PM
Hopefully not.

jef
May 16th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Capital & Counties has sold the King's Reach Tower to Simon Halabi's Buckingham Securities for £80m. The 275,000 sq ft (25,500 sq m) property is is currently occupied by IPC Magazines. IPC will move to Land Securities' Bankside scheme when the lease expires next year. There is pp for a redevelopment of around 400,000 sq ft (37,161 sq m).

Fragmentor
May 16th, 2006, 06:48 PM
The crown is good, but that bump should go, and if it is the opnly thing that goes I will be very pleased

Newcastle Guy
May 16th, 2006, 06:50 PM
Hopefully not.

if the height is dropped then this developing cluster will lack a pinacle and end up like another wall of skyscrapers, which personaly I don't want.

Fragmentor
May 16th, 2006, 06:53 PM
3 City pinnacles would look amazing

maggie
May 16th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I hate the towers overhang, but love this angle:

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/7DF2D6B08CEF11DAAC0A140E52272983.jpg

Reminds me of a snake a little bit

Plus it's huge @ 220m, Alot bigger than swiss re and T42, and even bigger than HSBC and Citigroup

And unlike CW and Vauxhall etc, it looks like the buildings will all be different heights and won't just form a wall
its weird but for me i think the overhang is the most interesting part... except i think theyve designed the tower back to front.. the overhang would have looked alot more interesting if it had been facing the thames

Medo
May 16th, 2006, 08:15 PM
^^ I agree with maggie

maggie
May 16th, 2006, 08:19 PM
also with being so close to the river the height really should be tapering back away from the river not towards it.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 16th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Onto another skyscraper in London, I was wondering about the 43 storey Elephant and Castle tower (you know, the razor ;) ). On the Multiplex website, there is an aricle that came out in late March that announced its approval and scheduled date of of construction (Autumn this year). And in the article it had this statement:

'This dynamic development represents the first of the three central towers that will create the Elephant & Castle tall buildings cluster as envisaged in LBS’s masterplan for the area and signify the heart of the Elephant & Castle on the London skyline.'


I was just wondering if anyone knew of any news regarding the other two of the 'three central towers' it mentioned. I was unaware that there was more then one skyscraper planned for the area, so if anyone has got any info or pics on them, I would love to know! :)

:cheers:

Tubeman
May 16th, 2006, 09:07 PM
its weird but for me i think the overhang is the most interesting part... except i think theyve designed the tower back to front.. the overhang would have looked alot more interesting if it had been facing the thames

Yes agreed 100%

Its almost as if Beetham is shunning the river when it should be interacting with it. I like the tower from this angle, but the other render from street level is horrific. The bump's a nice idea, but it shouldn't be as pronounced as it is on this design.

Luke
May 16th, 2006, 09:21 PM
3 City pinnacles would look amazing

Which three pinnacles do you mean? The cluster in the square mile? Canary Wharf? London Bridge? This new bunch of cack dotted along the south bank? The proposed cluster at Vauxhall? What about the towers that will eventually be built at Stratford?

Then of course there are all the lone towers abandoned across the skyline like Euston, Centre Point, Millbank and the BT Tower.

DarJoLe
May 17th, 2006, 12:07 AM
The notion that the authorities keep saying that London will have defined 'clusters' of skyscrapers ain't worth the paper it's written on. Towers are back in vogue and London will have them peppered across its landscape by the mid century. Whether this incoherence is a good or bad thing for London remains to be seen - the idea that random sprinklings of skyscrapers can produce the 'Wren church spire' effect is somewhat hilarious considering most of the towers proposed have none of classical gracious elegance of church spires.

london lad
May 17th, 2006, 05:31 AM
Very easily! If you just look at the renders of it, you have to agree that the design is pretty dam bland! There is no originality in it, just a straight up tower that curves out ridiculously near the top....what is special about that?? It is a hunded million billion lightyears away from the quality designs of Bish tower and LBT, or even heron tower and Leadenhall. And the fact that it has gone back to the drawing board shows that I am not alone in my oppinion!

:cheers:

Are we getting confused here- are you talking about beehtams tower or 20FC??
20fc is the one that curves out at the top not beetham.

Fragmentor
May 17th, 2006, 08:25 AM
Which three pinnacles do you mean? The cluster in the square mile? Canary Wharf? London Bridge? This new bunch of cack dotted along the south bank? The proposed cluster at Vauxhall? What about the towers that will eventually be built at Stratford?

Then of course there are all the lone towers abandoned across the skyline like Euston, Centre Point, Millbank and the BT Tower.

Well, i was referring to The Shard, DIFA and Beetham, that wouldnt be a million miles away from each other if viewed from a certain angle, which my not even exist.

Skid-Mark
May 17th, 2006, 09:10 AM
its weird but for me i think the overhang is the most interesting part... except i think theyve designed the tower back to front.. the overhang would have looked alot more interesting if it had been facing the thames

Exactly, it's anything but straight up and down, form a rear/diagonal view this is amazing, like a boomerang, maybe i'm wrong but i haven't seen anything like this,

london lad
May 17th, 2006, 10:06 AM
that smithfield scheme got planning permission

http://www.property-week.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=297&storycode=3067455&c=1

potto
May 17th, 2006, 11:52 AM
goodness, I went past the site and there is a huge section (all of the high holborn facing part) of the original building left in a very sorry state, the post war addition sits uncomfortably between the two end sections. Walking down from ludgate circus down under the viaduct are swathes of crass post war rubbish ripe for development so it is a shame such a ham-fisted (from what i can tell from the renders) scheme has ended up here

L-er
May 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM
My younger brother goes to London this Thursday and Friday. What will the weather be like? I told him to take a lot of pictures off course. :)

jorgen
May 17th, 2006, 01:40 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0008&links

http://weather.cnn.com/weather/forecast.jsp?locCode=EGLL

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/UKXX0085?from=36hr_topnav_business

L-er
May 17th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Thanks Jorgen.

DarJoLe
May 17th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Published 17 May 2006 at 11:59
CABE’s capabilities ‘overstretched’



London planning officials have warned that CABE’s cash-strapped design review panel is being forced to ‘cherry-pick’ landmark projects and ignore less-prestigious schemes in the capital.

Several boroughs, including Southwark and Hackney, have flagged up cases where they say CABE has failed to respond to pleas for design advice.

One recent example is Allford Hall Monaghan Morris’ Barnham Street commercial development in Southwark.

When asking for advice in the case Adrian Dennis, a planning team leader at Southwark, said he was told by CABE that it is ‘not a design agency to advise all developers on their applications, and has to be selective due to their limited resources’.

Another high-profile case is Farrells’ Eagle House tower in Shoreditch, east London, which won the green light from Hackney’s planning department in April.

Project co-ordinator Alberta Matin told the AJ: ‘The response we received [from CABE] was: “We are consulted about more schemes than we have the resources to deal with and, unfortunately, we will not be able to offer any further assistance on this scheme”.’

It’s no secret that CABE’s design review panel has been starved of resources since its inception. It has 30 experts to its name who formally advise on about 75 major schemes in any year.

Dennis accepts CABE is severely under-resourced but insists ordinary everyday schemes benefit the most from expert design advice.

He said: ‘I get the impression that there are currently so many major applications of interest to CABE it has to turn down the more routine or mundane type of development.’

The increasing demand for CABE’s advice reflects the value local authorities attach to it. But it is also a consequence of the increasing importance of good design in planning policy such as PPS1.

Defending CABE’s track record, director of architecture and review Selina Mason emphasised that local authorities are now forced to pay more attention to design issues.

She said: ‘This is good news but it poses a resource issue for them too, as many do not have adequate access to design advice. We think regional design review panels are an important way to increase capacity, though,’ she said.

by Clive Walker

GazKinz
May 17th, 2006, 03:12 PM
It really shows, no wonder we're getting some much low-rise dross approved at the moment

ismail
May 17th, 2006, 05:45 PM
2 articles in todays ES re LBT and Bishopsgate tower, details posted in their respective threads

wjfox
May 17th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Since Doon Street has now been submitted for planning permission, I've bumped it up to the main summary list.

london lad
May 18th, 2006, 01:32 PM
Land Secs have released there first set of results for the year- quite impressive they are too.

http://www.landsecurities.com/presskits.asp?PageID=187&PressKitID=11

Skid-Mark
May 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM
Just thought i'd post some pics, met my girlfriend from work the other day and managed to persuade her to go shopping in CW.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/623/cityexchangehse2ky.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2346/broadgatesite6dp.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/876/srefromcutlers0hm.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3025/sreoverhang4di.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5756/willisreflection1hp.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3584/cwfromdlr6on.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3812/cwdocks9xd.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7311/cwdocks28dn.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3629/cwdensity1bg.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3576/clocks9bu.jpg

wjfox
May 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Nice pics.

Btw, Dashwood House is the one in front of Tower 42 that's been mentioned recently as getting a reclad + height increase -


http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/623/cityexchangehse2ky.jpg

JDRS
May 18th, 2006, 05:47 PM
Nice pics Skid-Mark

jorgen
May 18th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Lovely!
Wish the Broadgate webcams were as good as your image :)

Dan1987
May 18th, 2006, 06:35 PM
I walked past the site of the Heron Tower and I think they are doing enabling works now, they were digging up road and pavement around the perimeter of the current building, I suppose thats some activity!

mulattokid
May 18th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Is Dashwood House actually being increased in height, or are they just utilising that vast plant space on the top floor?

gothicform
May 18th, 2006, 06:53 PM
its being increased in height.

Skid-Mark
May 18th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Yeah, my girlfriend actually works on the tenth floor of exchange house so i try to get more detailed updates from her, she gets pissed off with me though.

wjfox
May 18th, 2006, 07:53 PM
I walked past the site of the Heron Tower and I think they are doing enabling works now, they were digging up road and pavement around the perimeter of the current building, I suppose thats some activity!
Yeah, I saw that yesterday - it's definitely enabling works. This has been going on for some time now though.

JDRS
May 19th, 2006, 12:42 AM
What's happening with St Georges Tower again? I saw the site of it in the background on the news tonight and there was a big crane there.

mulattokid
May 19th, 2006, 03:32 AM
its being increased in height.

ok thanks :)

london lad
May 19th, 2006, 04:46 AM
What's happening with St Georges Tower again? I saw the site of it in the background on the news tonight and there was a big crane there.


That cranes been there ages- its to help with the rest of the development (& I presume the tower when it gets underway). BTW they still have to build the last smaller block of the original 5. Everything else is now sold out- not sure if they are doing the smaller block first off or both that and the tower at the same time

Newcastle Guy
May 20th, 2006, 01:24 PM
Granite wharf:

Old:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3814GraniteWharfTower1_pic1.jpg

New:
http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/C62BCC10E7EF11DABECA29BE52272983.jpg

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/01EA23A0E7F011DA99023D8152272983.jpg

Marky_boy
May 20th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Nothing too original about the old design but looking at the bottom pic, it would have looked quite imposing in that place. No-one else is gonna want to build other new skyscrapers next to this terrible new design.

wjfox
May 20th, 2006, 01:32 PM
Why was it cut down I wonder. This would be the perfect location for a luxury highrise with those views, and the waterfront, etc.

JDRS
May 21st, 2006, 12:51 AM
Bit of a shame about the hefty size reduction

gothicform
May 21st, 2006, 01:33 AM
they were cut down because the tower blocks were stalinist.

DarJoLe
May 21st, 2006, 03:00 AM
they were cut down because the tower blocks were stalinist.

And very close and imposing on one of the most famous and important World Heritage Sites.

gothicform
May 21st, 2006, 03:51 AM
but further away than developments in the city of london and victoria are to the tower of london and westminster abbey

london lad
May 22nd, 2006, 01:44 AM
they were cut down because the tower blocks were stalinist.

I.E the local branch of NIMBY's didn't like them so tehy cut the height & maxed out the density so now you have a lot of low rise blocks squeezed onto the plot & probably little change in the actual number of units. Still at leastthe nimbys are happy.

potto
May 22nd, 2006, 10:48 AM
and those repetitive sets of low rise blocks arent stalinist?! Looks awful

mulattokid
May 22nd, 2006, 02:15 PM
Barstards!!!!!! not one of you asked me how my exam went and what it was for...I thought you were all my family :)

JDRS
May 22nd, 2006, 03:03 PM
^ I'm interested, what was it on and how did it go? :)

Quick question, on the South Bank at night the lighting is very poor (particularly around the Eye) Are there/have there ever been plans to improve it?

mulattokid
May 22nd, 2006, 03:13 PM
Oh well thank you...seeing as you have asked. I finished my Environmental Science degree (after 8 years due to ill health) all in my spare time and mostly self funded at Birkbeck. I am awaiting my overall grade to make me Mark Joseph BSc (hons) Arseholyness etc. I never had the chance when I was younger!

None of this helps me with regard to the lighting on the south bank, but if they intend to keep the place as "continental" as it appears during the day they need to!

NothingBetterToDo
May 22nd, 2006, 03:38 PM
yeah...the south bank is pitch black at night

its a very odd feeling, because you are in the middle of London and you can see light all around you. And there are loads of people still milling around......its like there has been a sudden and unexpected power cut.

Also, its so bloody dark that you can't see where you are going and you constantly walk into benches, bins....other people e.t.c.

Tubeman
May 22nd, 2006, 05:14 PM
Oh well thank you...seeing as you have asked. I finished my Environmental Science degree (after 8 years due to ill health) all in my spare time and mostly self funded at Birkbeck. I am awaiting my overall grade to make me Mark Joseph BSc (hons) Arseholyness etc. I never had the chance when I was younger!

None of this helps me with regard to the lighting on the south bank, but if they intend to keep the place as "continental" as it appears during the day they need to!

I hope you make the grade Mark... As someone self-funding himself through an Open University course at the moment I can fully appreciate how much commitment and hard work it must have taken on your part. Good luck! :)

mulattokid
May 22nd, 2006, 06:01 PM
I hope you make the grade Mark... As someone self-funding himself through an Open University course at the moment I can fully appreciate how much commitment and hard work it must have taken on your part. Good luck! :)

Well thank you sir! I know what you are going through, but I am proof that it does come to and end and...believe me, when you finish, it is all true...you are at a loose end and youy cant belive all the deadlines are gone....keep up the good work

JDRS
May 22nd, 2006, 06:27 PM
Oh well thank you...seeing as you have asked. I finished my Environmental Science degree (after 8 years due to ill health) all in my spare time and mostly self funded at Birkbeck. I am awaiting my overall grade to make me Mark Joseph BSc (hons) Arseholyness etc. I never had the chance when I was younger!

Congratulations mate :cheers: Sorry to hear about your ill health and hopefully your new title will lead to better things.

mulattokid
May 22nd, 2006, 08:12 PM
thank you! :)

Madman
May 22nd, 2006, 08:40 PM
thank you! :)

Now those exams are finished where are those pics of the White City development you promised months ago! ;)

Manuel
May 22nd, 2006, 11:07 PM
While browsing various architecture practices websites, found more info on Sheppard Robson tower for the millenium Quarter in Tower Hamlets.

http://www.sheppardrobson.com
Residential >>> Glengall bridge

Some renderings. Looks very promising if get built.

http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3s3q.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3set.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3sq0.jpg

London
May 22nd, 2006, 11:15 PM
oooh my f'kin God! :shocked:

maggie
May 22nd, 2006, 11:19 PM
While browsing various architecture practices websites, found more info on Sheppard Robson tower for the millenium Quarter in Tower Hamlets.

http://www.sheppardrobson.com
Residential >>> Glengall bridge

Some renderings. Looks very promising if get built.

http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3s3q.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3set.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3sq0.jpg
what is the building to the left in the top pic?

DarJoLe
May 22nd, 2006, 11:34 PM
No idea, I guess they're all towers in the works.

The skyline of Canary Wharf is the most up to date I've seen. Even has Marsh Wall on it I believe.

wjfox
May 22nd, 2006, 11:55 PM
That looks absolutely outstanding.

Manuel
May 23rd, 2006, 12:03 AM
The only projet I know in the area that maximise public space...if built, it would be a great addition to the skyline and to the street level experience.

Unfortunately i'm not very optimistic...especially regarding the height of the tower. I guess the developer will be forced to reduce its size resulting in the loss of space at the base...

DarJoLe
May 23rd, 2006, 12:07 AM
Unfortunately i'm not very optimistic...especially regarding the height of the tower. I guess the developer will be forced to reduce its size resulting in the loss of space at the base...

Yes, I'm afraid it won't even get anything near planning permission in its current form. The local population are vehmently against anymore high density and tall developments on this area of the Isle Of Dogs.

maggie
May 23rd, 2006, 12:12 AM
Yes, I'm afraid it won't even get anything near planning permission in its current form. The local population are vehmently against anymore high density and tall developments on this area of the Isle Of Dogs.
arent most of the locals in council flats anyway.. these developments will improve the environment not destroy it..

JDRS
May 23rd, 2006, 12:56 AM
Fuck me that's outstanding.

london lad
May 23rd, 2006, 02:08 AM
Another reason why TH needs to scrap its masterplan- This proposal, because of its height opens up the ground level to public space etc. What would proabably happpen is TH & rabid nimbys will so no way & what we will get is blcoky & dense mid-rise apartments that do nothing for the local enviroment. The same reasons I gave for for the new millharbour scheme, which had they been allowed to go higher they would be less dense. Cant TH see wht the isle of dogs will looklike is a mess of maxed density & blocky 10 storey flats with no local amenities or open spaces.

london lad
May 23rd, 2006, 04:23 AM
Also looking at that last image- Do you reckon the tower at the end of the penisula further south of this proposal & the tower just North of Crossharbour & oppo Pan- P(where exchange towers are now), are just phantom towers or do you think they are actually being worked up??

gothicform
May 23rd, 2006, 05:00 AM
harbour exchange you mean? well its a rather popular data centre and they surprised me with being there.

DarJoLe
May 23rd, 2006, 10:55 AM
arent most of the locals in council flats anyway.. these developments will improve the environment not destroy it..

All the locals care about is having more schools, more hospitals and more things for the local community, which, believe it or not, is not exactly flowing with money. These luxury apartments aren't bringing in these things as they aren't containing families that need this local support.

eXSBass
May 23rd, 2006, 11:29 AM
That tower's beautiful. It looks as if it belongs in the city, when in fact, it's in the Wharf.

It'll be a shame if this was reduced in height or refused planning.

Mr Bricks
May 23rd, 2006, 11:59 AM
Great tower! Hopefully it will be built.

Dan1987
May 23rd, 2006, 12:06 PM
Looks amazing! :runaway:

Mr Bricks
May 23rd, 2006, 12:10 PM
Btw. What´s up with Ropemaker´s place?

london lad
May 23rd, 2006, 12:28 PM
Go to shep robsons website- click on news- archive & scroll down till u come to 'bessemer gets a face lift' they have posted the wrong images & instead theres a nice pic of there 19 storey mitre square development with the gherkin &122LH for whoever can lift the image & post it on here

http://www.sheppardrobson.com/

Ow & if you scroll through the news long enough u find their scheme for poultry & one for victoria ;)

Gherkin
May 23rd, 2006, 12:32 PM
The first render looks like something from Sim City

Peyre
May 23rd, 2006, 12:40 PM
SUPOIB :)

potto
May 23rd, 2006, 12:44 PM
Btw. What´s up with Ropemaker´s place?

British Land have painted all the boardings a nice deep blue and changed the previous developers signs with their own...

potto
May 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM
Go to shep robsons website- click on news- archive & scroll down till u come to 'bessemer gets a face lift' they have posted the wrong images & instead theres a nice pic of there 19 storey mitre square development with the gherkin &122LH for whoever can lift the image & post it on here

http://www.sheppardrobson.com/

Ow & if you scroll through the news long enough u find their scheme for poultry & one for victoria ;)

http://xs101.xs.to/xs101/06212/pic1.jpg

http://xs101.xs.to/xs101/06212/pic2.jpg

jorgen
May 23rd, 2006, 01:02 PM
london_lad:
http://www.club-siemens.net/broadgate/bessemer.jpg

jorgen
May 23rd, 2006, 01:06 PM
Sorry potto, I didn't see your post. Did a refresh of the thread but didn't notice there was a new page now.

potto
May 23rd, 2006, 01:09 PM
:)

Marky_boy
May 23rd, 2006, 01:53 PM
I'm loving this Glengall Bridge, I'll be annoyed if this is turned into more midrise block shite. If it if built like these renders then it could become the 'Shard' of East London. :)

mulattokid
May 23rd, 2006, 02:05 PM
Now those exams are finished where are those pics of the White City development you promised months ago! ;)

OOH you are forceful! Ill take them today while the sun is out, but wont post until tongiht or tomorrow in that thread. :)

mulattokid
May 23rd, 2006, 02:08 PM
http://xs101.xs.to/xs101/06212/pic1.jpg

http://xs101.xs.to/xs101/06212/pic2.jpg

I wondered when the developers would catch up with the visual effects of adding palm trees to their buildings (above)

Fragmentor
May 23rd, 2006, 04:32 PM
Glengall looks amazing, saw some renders a while back. The models they released show CW as such a dense area!

warcry
May 23rd, 2006, 08:42 PM
woah looking at this reminds you how high 1 canada square is:

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?

but nothing compared to difa and LBT

Fragmentor
May 23rd, 2006, 08:56 PM
And also how high that damn Burj Dubai is, and even that isnt the tallest any more is it...

Newcastle Guy
May 23rd, 2006, 09:27 PM
Looking on ssp, it seems Crossharbour has a spire which takes it to a height of about 140m-145m.



And anyonw know when we will hear more about the Northgate skyscraper and the Allies and Morrison city scraper?

london lad
May 24th, 2006, 05:02 AM
Theres been quite a few new proposals the last couple of weeks & some of them have exhibtions etc- Do you think its worthwhile making a note of them anywhere as most of the time consultation/exhibtions get mentioned & then lost in a thread & then when people realise there was one , its too late & the date has often gone.

I know theres one for the walbrook scheme & the 30 storey millharbour one & beetham are bound to have on when they release new designs- we should make an effect effort to go & get snaps as often, as with the case of beetham for example (which i went to next year)theres models, loads of renderings & drawings of the project .

What does anyone reckon adding dates to these consultations/exhibtions to my stickied links thread as i've noticed its got over 1000 views but hasn't been added to , that way we could always know when somethings on & would have no excuse ???

gothicform
May 24th, 2006, 05:36 AM
why not do a separate thread for exhibitions then i will stickify it.

london lad
May 24th, 2006, 07:07 AM
Theres already quite a few sticked threads on the 1st page- prob best not clog up the first page- could a mod add exhibitions to the the tittle of the thread as I can seem to change it

And for the rest of ya- If you know of any worthwhile exhibtions/consultations on any proposals- add it to this thread so we dont forget & miss them.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=303271

Madman
May 24th, 2006, 08:22 AM
OOH you are forceful! Ill take them today while the sun is out, but wont post until tongiht or tomorrow in that thread. :)

I'll be waiting with baited breath :D

dom
May 24th, 2006, 08:33 AM
Where is this Bessemer Building, how many stories is it and how tall is it in feet?

It looks 20 floors from the renderings but the article suggests that it is in South Ken but the renders show the building in close proximity to the City of London. I'm a bit confused to be honest!

london lad
May 24th, 2006, 08:57 AM
Where is this Bessemer Building, how many stories is it and how tall is it in feet?

It looks 20 floors from the renderings but the article suggests that it is in South Ken but the renders show the building in close proximity to the City of London. I'm a bit confused to be honest!

They got there pics mixed up with text on there website so its describing a totally different scheme.

This one is 19 storeys called Mitre house- Its across the road , almost from Minerva-I t has planning permission but dont know when its due to start. Its being developed byHelical bar & they mentioned it would be built this year in one of there financial reports but dont know if thats still the case.

mulattokid
May 24th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I'll be waiting with baited breath :D

Pics just been taken. See that thread tonight and they should be up.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 24th, 2006, 08:30 PM
Pics just been taken. See that thread tonight and they should be up.
Which thread???

maggie
May 24th, 2006, 10:11 PM
24 May 2006
London SE1 website team

Will Alsop's Palestra building in Blackfriars Road is to be fitted with solar panels and wind turbines thanks to a DTI grant announced on Wednesday.

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/images/060524_palestra.jpg
As one of the tenants of the new building, the London Climate Change Agency requires that renewable energy is generated on or within the building. It is proposed to fit 14 micro wind turbines alongside highly efficient mono-crystalline photovoltaic arrays mounted on the roof.

The Cut could soon have wind turbines at both ends of the street; last week the Waterloo Community Development Group heard a presentation from Mark Willingale of Willingale Associates who introduced plans for a 30 storey tower - dubbed Waterloo Trilogy Tower - on the corner of Waterloo Road and Baylis Road featuring 18 integrated 5.5m wind turbines.

The London Climate Change Agency comes under the auspices of the London Development Agency, which is due to relocate to Palestra from St Katharine Dock in August.

Ken Livingstone was grilled about the LDA's decision to take space at Palestra at Mayor's Question Time last week.

London Assembly member Tony Arbour (Conservative) alleged that the Mayor had "tried to encourge" the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority to take up a lease at Palestra; though LFEPA finally settled on the former parcels sorting office in Union Street to replace its current Albert Embankment HQ.

Arbour complained that the Mayor keeps his property deals "a most incredible secret", adding that "...there are people in London - and there are certainly people on these benches - who think that your relationship with the property world is most unhealthy and is entirely wrong for someone who is responsible for planning matters in London."

In reply the Mayor insisted that he had "played no role" in the LDA's decision to move to Palestra, and that he had merely "accepted the logic" of what "seemed like a good deal".

Energy minister Malcolm Wicks announced details of the funding in a speech to the All Energy conference in Aberdeen on Wednesday. Commenting on the scheme he said: "The DTI's Major Photovoltaic Demonstration Programme has successfully awarded over £30 million to almost 1900 solar energy schemes since 2002. This includes 1100 individual homes and, something I am particularly pleased to see, 175 schools. This has led to considerable savings in both CO2 emissions and fuel bills."

Last year Wicks announced funding for a photovoltaic roof at City Hall which is due to be installed during 2006.

The minister added: "Grants will also continue to be provided under the new £80 million Low Carbon Buildings programme. The scheme is administered for the DTI by the Energy Saving Trust and I urge anyone interested in installing micro technologies to contact their helpline for more information."

Peyre
May 24th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Good stuff, maybe 'Davo' should have his picture taken next to it

Newcastle Guy
May 24th, 2006, 10:55 PM
The glass looks really high quality on there actually

Skyscraperkid2K4
May 24th, 2006, 11:19 PM
While browsing various architecture practices websites, found more info on Sheppard Robson tower for the millenium Quarter in Tower Hamlets.

http://www.sheppardrobson.com
Residential >>> Glengall bridge

Some renderings. Looks very promising if get built.

http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3s3q.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3set.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/10f3sq0.jpg holy shit :runaway:

wjfox
May 25th, 2006, 12:37 AM
The Cut could soon have wind turbines at both ends of the street; last week the Waterloo Community Development Group heard a presentation from Mark Willingale of Willingale Associates who introduced plans for a 30 storey tower - dubbed Waterloo Trilogy Tower - on the corner of Waterloo Road and Baylis Road featuring 18 integrated 5.5m wind turbines.

So that's yet another potential midrise we can chalk up. :)

30 storeys would be... what, about 100m? Roughly the same height as the nearby Shell Building.

maggie
May 25th, 2006, 02:43 AM
its all good news.. im loving the windmill features in these new developments

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 25th, 2006, 02:52 AM
Yer, I love the Multiplex tower, very futuristic and yet ecological at the same time! :)

But I was just thinking about Canary Wharf a few minutes ago, and I realised that we haven't really heard about the main skyscrapers for ages now...seems to be really quiet compared to the City. I know there is PP under construction and another smaller one I think, but all the big main towers like RS, Heron Quays 1 and 2, Heron Quays west, North Quay 1 and 2...they have been hanging around for ages, most of them approved I think, but I haven't heaerd anything about them for ages!

Fragmentor
May 25th, 2006, 07:41 AM
Hopefully all new buildings in London should have self sufficient energy plants that are renewable and non-polluting. If you put 'em on the roof you can't see them, so everybody wins. The other day I thought about what a solar panel clad tower would look like and what scope there was for changing panel colours etc, it would be interesting to see if alot can be done with them, although obviously black absorbs sunlight, and so is the best colour.

DarJoLe
May 25th, 2006, 11:17 AM
Palestra looks SO much better now the paper inside the windows has been taken off. Still too bulky and hefty for Southwark though.

nick_taylor
May 25th, 2006, 11:55 AM
^^ I think that will change once the development above Southwark Station happens (apparently something is going to be built there above th circular roof). That would add bulk to the area.


This new 30 storey tower would be located across Waterloo Road from the Old Vic Theatre. Nothing on their website about the scheme though,

mulattokid
May 25th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Which thread???

Sorry - White City when I can get my pics to upload!

Is it just me and my computer or is there something going wrong with quoting on this site.Things are missing everywhere

JDRS
May 25th, 2006, 02:30 PM
The other day I thought about what a solar panel clad tower would look like and what scope there was for changing panel colours etc, it would be interesting to see if alot can be done with them, although obviously black absorbs sunlight, and so is the best colour.

Yeah solar panels are a great idea. The CIS building in Manchester is currently being reclad with solar panels on part of it and they look so modern and good. They should definetely be incorporated more on new towers.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/cis2304whole.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture032.jpg

SE9
May 25th, 2006, 03:22 PM
Hey... I haven't been keeping up to date with recent design changes of some projects. Am I right in saying the picture below shows buildings in their correct proportions?:

http://static.flickr.com/34/66585451_bf2f17820a.jpg

DarJoLe
May 25th, 2006, 03:29 PM
That was my rendering I did ages ago when they announced the sizing down of Bishopsgate, it's not as severe as what I've shown here.

SE9
May 25th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Thats cool. Thanks DarJoLe :cheers:

DarJoLe
May 25th, 2006, 03:43 PM
The other buildings are correc though, it's an official rendering. Bucklesbury House will look fantastic from that view as well, although it will completely block the Gherkin.

Fragmentor
May 25th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Yeah solar panels are a great idea. The CIS building in Manchester is currently being reclad with solar panels on part of it and they look so modern and good. They should definetely be incorporated more on new towers.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/pookey1967/cis2304whole.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture032.jpg

ah cool, they do look good :yes:

DarJoLe
May 25th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Gaunt Francis back at drawing board after CABE mauls St Katharine Docks

http://www.ajplus.co.uk/Images/Articles/GauntFrancis.jpg

Gaunt Francis Architects’ (GFA) contentious £120 million rejuvenation of London’s St Katharine Docks has been forced back to the drawing board following a slating from CABE.

A proposal to replace an existing office block, known as Devon House, with a curved, nine-storey residential structure has been binned after the architectural watchdog called the scheme ‘muddled’.

GFA says it has now radically transformed the original design (pictured) into three orthogonal residential blocks together with an art gallery, a café and a retail unit.

GFA partner Alan Francis said: ‘It is being totally redesigned and we are getting rid of the curving form. Our original design creates a large riverside realm but only one entry point. By creating three buildings, we can create more access to a better riverside space.’

The scheme’s landmark 17-storey elliptical tower is also being remodelled after CABE labelled elements ‘awkward and unstable’.

Commenting on the tower, CABE’s design review panel said: ‘The canted column, the connection to the existing hotel, the winter gardens and the detailed elevational treatment do not come together successfully and fight against the clarity of the elegant elliptical form. We are unsure why the canted column is proposed – it looks awkward and unstable, and is at odds with the overall idea.’

Defending GFA’s original vision, Francis said the practice ‘may make elevational changes’ but not until it has digested the results of an environmental report being conducted by consulting engineer Max Fordham.

‘We believe environmental performance will lead us to a solution on how to treat elevations in this building,’ added Francis.

The CABE body blow comes amid growing public opposition to GFA’s masterplan, which was submitted to the London Borough of Tower Hamlets in January this year. A month later locals launched a bid to block the project, claiming it did not respect historic buildings and surrounding heritage sites. (AJ 06.02.06).

Varenukha
May 25th, 2006, 06:19 PM
This may be entirely the wrong place to post this message - if so, let me apologise right away! But I heard from Islington council that in the next month or so the final legal agreements (S106) on the City Road Basin site (115m tower plus one shorter tower and other low-rise) will be signed, which I understand is a final planning hurdle before the developers can get started proper. The 2 main developers both expect to get going next year, but Groveworld is already constructing an adjacent building for phase 1 (7-storey mixed use) at 261a City Road.
I got a recent artist impression of the City Road Basin site from one of the developers - different to the SSC images, apparently due to a last minute change of heart from the council. I'd post it, but the posting rules tell me I cannot......Any suggestions? (Any interest?!!!)

Newcastle Guy
May 25th, 2006, 06:27 PM
I really like that scheme, I was wondering when it would get going!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/299CityRoadBasinSiteA_pic4.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/299CityRoadBasinSiteA_pic3.jpg

Varenukha
May 25th, 2006, 06:36 PM
So the one which is underway is the building immediately to the right of the tower in that second pic from Newcastle Kid. As a statement of intent, I think it's pretty encouraging. And it's the other tower, on the other side of the canal, now looks a little different - less boxy than the previous tower, and with a slight resemblance to the Minerva Tower (but MUCH smaller!)

potto
May 25th, 2006, 07:26 PM
yes this is long over due, I dont think ive seen anywhere with such poor regard to natural assets! A canal next to the biggest financial district and we get a large storage space warehouse, another building opposite with no street level access and jail like windows with access to the canal fenced off with barbed wire, over the road the most unimaginative low density business park you could imagine completely facing inwards around a car park, even the shrubs look like they were plucked from outside Newports NHS clinic, oh and there is a large carpark forecourt with a drive thru macdonalds just further along a bit!

wjfox
May 25th, 2006, 07:33 PM
This may be entirely the wrong place to post this message - if so, let me apologise right away! But I heard from Islington council that in the next month or so the final legal agreements (S106) on the City Road Basin site (115m tower
That's a decent height - possibly the tallest in north London (?).

Medo
May 25th, 2006, 07:45 PM
that antenna thing in Alexandra Park is taller, but of course it's not a tower :|

JDRS
May 26th, 2006, 12:50 AM
Yeah that's a really nice tower and next to the canal it looks really good :)

london lad
May 26th, 2006, 07:33 AM
GPE will be submitting this 15 storey building for a site on blackfriars (right opposite Beetham's or Land Sec's Site) in the summer.


http://i4.tinypic.com/10puc1j.jpg

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2058

They will also be starting this big office scheme oppo More London this summer. They are keeping the Victorian frontage on Tooley st & redevelping the area behind

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2054

wjfox
May 26th, 2006, 08:58 AM
^^ Gorgeous looking proposal! If only it could be 500ft taller :D

maggie
May 26th, 2006, 11:32 AM
looks like liberty might be getting sold off
http://www.222regentstreet.co.uk/

london lad
May 26th, 2006, 11:47 AM
Couple of items of news on property but mostl subscription only-

Any one is about a 700,000sq ft scheme being designed by Make for Land Secs at the old bailey (dont know if its the actual old bailey - surely not!! or a site nearby).

theres also news that ballymore have submitted a 500m marina scheme near london city airport

http://www.property-week.co.uk/section.asp?navcode=667

which is this one here

http://www.ballymore.co.uk/site/bally_development_page.php?search=1&country=1&type=&available=2&search_item=1&result_num=11&search_item=1&imageNum=8&development_id=16

london lad
May 26th, 2006, 12:09 PM
Interesting glass bridge for kings X

http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=29&storycode=3067863&c=0

Skid-Mark
May 26th, 2006, 12:44 PM
London lad, did you say 500m!!! is that a typo?

jef
May 26th, 2006, 12:53 PM
yes.

wjfox
May 26th, 2006, 01:10 PM
Is that "500 metres" or "£500 million" ? :D

nick_taylor
May 26th, 2006, 01:47 PM
500m dock/river frontage presumably.

london lad
May 26th, 2006, 02:39 PM
its either a very small development by ballymore or a slight typo ;)

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 26th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Here's the full summary of that Ballymore project (£500m, not 500 metres ;) ):


Irish property company Ballymore submitted a planning application this week for a £500m marina scheme in east London's Silvertown. The 35 acre (14.1 ha) Minoco Wharf on Silvertown Way, E16, will have 250,000 sq ft (23,225 sq m) of offices, retail and leisure on the ground floor and up to 4,000 homes. Ballymore bought the site, close to London City airport, in 2004 for £40m.

Project Summary:

- 17 acre site close to London City Airport
- 915 residential apartments
- 150,000 sq ft commercial
- Architects: Skidmore, Owings & Merrill Inc (SOM)

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5743/ballymoreproposal3qc.png

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1959/ballymoreproposal29cj.png

:cheers:

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 26th, 2006, 04:09 PM
One is about a 700,000sq ft scheme being designed by Make for Land Secs at the old bailey (dont know if its the actual old bailey - surely not!! or a site nearby).
Just checked out that project from the Property Week website:

LandSecs to try giant office at Old Bailey

Ken Shuttleworth's Make to design 700,000 sq ft scheme on City site

26.05.2006

Land Securities is to develop a huge office scheme next to the Old Bailey on the west side of the City.

The developer has appointed architect Ken Shuttleworth's Make for the scheme, which could comprise more than 500,000 sq ft (46,450 sq m) on a site next to the Old Bailey.

LandSecs plans to redevelop two 1960s buildings, Hillgate House and 50 Ludgate Hill, on an island site bounded by Old Bailey, Ludgate Hill and Limeburner Lane.

It hopes to submit a planning application by September. Make has provided several different designs for the site, which is expected to be big enough to take at least two large office blocks, although LandSecs is still debating whether a single building would be more appropriate for the location.

Mike Hussey, managing director of LandSecs' London portfolio, said: ‘Make has come up with a couple of favoured options which we are now looking at. The site could include multiple buildings, or a single, large combined estate.'

Hussey said the scheme could be started by 2011, but this decision would depend on occupier demand in London. He said the scale of the building site meant that LandSecs would most likely look for a prelet to begin the development.

The site lies in one of the strategic views of St Paul's Cathedral. Hussey says that this means a tower is unlikely, but that some parts of the site could be higher than others as they would fall outside the recently narrowed views of the cathedral.

There is also an electricity substation on the site, but this is not thought to pose a problem for the wider development.

LandSecs has already held informal discussion with the Corporation of London. City planning officer Peter Rees told Property Week: ‘We have chatted about this. We'd be delighted to see such a scheme go forward. It is an area that has seen substantial improvement already and these buildings are showing their age.'

The size of the site means that the buildings can offer large floorplates, which could attract financial tenant looking for trading floorspace in addition to Midtown's traditional law firm tenants. Jones Lang LaSalle, DP9 and Gleeds are advising LandSecs on the site.

Here are the 60's buildings they are hoping to demolish:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9400/landsecs9pq.png

.......

So doesn't look like there will be a big skyscraper planned here, but at least some cruddy old 60's buildings spoiling the Old Bailey site will be demolished and replaced with a new office scheme.

:cheers:

Fragmentor
May 26th, 2006, 07:37 PM
GPE will be submitting this 15 storey building for a site on blackfriars (right opposite Beetham's or Land Sec's Site) in the summer.


http://i4.tinypic.com/10puc1j.jpg

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2058

They will also be starting this big office scheme oppo More London this summer. They are keeping the Victorian frontage on Tooley st & redevelping the area behind

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2054

That tower looks great. If it was 500ft or so it would really look good

jimbo
May 26th, 2006, 10:25 PM
GPE will be submitting this 15 storey building for a site on blackfriars (right opposite Beetham's or Land Sec's Site) in the summer.


http://i4.tinypic.com/10puc1j.jpg

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2058

They will also be starting this big office scheme oppo More London this summer. They are keeping the Victorian frontage on Tooley st & redevelping the area behind

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2054

nice, not that tall, but fits nicely on Blackfriars Road and is on a similar scale to Palestra. With the Wilkinson Eyre and Beetham towers on the cards I think its good to have a couple of stylish midrises. Maybe another 100ms taller would have been superb, hey ho, looks great anyway.

JDRS
May 27th, 2006, 01:22 AM
GPE will be submitting this 15 storey building for a site on blackfriars (right opposite Beetham's or Land Sec's Site) in the summer.


http://i4.tinypic.com/10puc1j.jpg

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2058

They will also be starting this big office scheme oppo More London this summer. They are keeping the Victorian frontage on Tooley st & redevelping the area behind

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2054

Fuck me that's superb. If it looks anything like that render this will be one sexy building. I think the height's just about right with this one.

Wild@Heart
May 27th, 2006, 01:44 AM
Yeah, great building. Kinda reminds me of the Smurf building in Chicago with the sawn-off shape at the top. This area's getting heaps of proposals!

Fragmentor
May 27th, 2006, 09:44 AM
I really like the way that glass just sort of falls away down one side, very cool

Wild@Heart
May 27th, 2006, 01:45 PM
GPE will be submitting this 15 storey building for a site on blackfriars (right opposite Beetham's or Land Sec's Site) in the summer.

http://i4.tinypic.com/10puc1j.jpg

Is it my eyes or are the the top "floors" of that building one huge room/atrium? If so, what kind of company would use a space like that? Looks cool, but surely the developers would want to use those floors as office space...

Smoggie_Si
May 27th, 2006, 03:38 PM
They will also be starting this big office scheme oppo More London this summer. They are keeping the Victorian frontage on Tooley st & redevelping the area behind

http://www.gpe.co.uk/property/feature/?id=2054

Interesting! I'm trying to work out which site it relates to. There's a fairly big site on the south east corner of the junction of Tooley St and Bermondsey St which is currently being developed, but doesn't seem to fit in with the timescales. Will divert my Saturday afternoon run along Tooley Street and try and work out where it is.

I dunno what the times on the gpe website are all about. 7 mins from Tooley St to City Hall and 14 mins to Tower Bridge! For whom, a snail? :dunno:

Smoggie_Si
May 27th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Is it my eyes or are the the top "floors" of that building one huge room/atrium? If so, what kind of company would use a space like that? Looks cool, but surely the developers would want to use those floors as office space...

Presumably a company looking for a boardroom/client meeting room with a huge wow factor. Looks like there could be some mezz floors toward the back.

Wild@Heart
May 27th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Yeah, true. Imagine the view they'll have looking towards the city skyline! Wow factor indeed, but if built with quality materials, this building will be a wow factor in itself.

GazKinz
May 27th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Very nice building, perfect for the area, do we know how tall it will be? 15 office floors around 70m?

wjfox
May 27th, 2006, 10:04 PM
View from the the Broadgate Centre, looking south:

http://www.willfox.com/images/london/1/12.jpg





The same view in 2012 -

http://i4.tinypic.com/10wt8vq.jpg

wjfox
May 28th, 2006, 12:49 AM
City aims to draw weekend shoppers
By JIM PICKARD
27 May 2006
Financial Times

Thousands of people are to be lured into the Square Mile at weekends to go shopping under plans being drawn up by the City of London Corporation.

During the week the City is frenetic with the activity of more than 300,000 workers. Yet on Saturdays and Sundays the area is deserted as it is not seen as a leisure destination and shoppers head to the West End.

But the City's corporation is urging developers to bring in new retailers - including department store operators such as John Lewis and Harvey Nichols - to attract more people beyond the weekday nine to five.

The area already has shops that are popular during the week, said Peter Wynne Rees, chief planning officer at the corporation. For example, the store in the Royal Exchange is Tiffany's most successful in the UK.

"There are plenty of shoppers who pop out from work and have money burning a hole in their pockets, that is not a problem," said Mr Rees. "We need to convince retailers that people will also shop at weekends and that they can drive in and park here," said Mr Rees.

The move comes as the City fights competition from Canary Wharf to retain its role as London's financial motor. But its attempts to metamorphose from a weekend ghost town into a vibrant 24-hour destination may be hampered by its refusal to allow many more people to live in the area.

Only another 1,000 homes will be built in area in the next decade -- on top of a current population of 7,000.

Canary Wharf, by contrast, has become a weekend destination for those living across the East End and the Docklands area. It typically draws 50,000 shoppers on a Saturday and 30,000 on a Sunday.

City planners are loath to allow many more flats because residents often oppose new office schemes on their doorstep.

Plans are afoot from various developers to build more than 1m sq ft of new retail space in the City - the equivalent of a large out-of-town shopping centre.

It was vital to make sure this was used for "exciting" outlets rather than the "usual" chains such as Boots or Woolworths, said Mr Rees. "People are not going to travel in to visit the sort of shops that they can quite easily visit where they live."

The proposals were met with scepticism by some workers enjoying their lunch break yesterday at Cheapside, in the heart of the City.

"Because I work here it's the last place I would go at a weekend," said Susan McCarthy, 40, a bank worker. "I suppose if there were cafes and interesting shops open at the weekend you might come here but at the moment it is a catch-22 because there aren't."

Mr Rees at the corporation said developers were already building new shop space, for example at Asticus's development at 14 Cornhill and Legal & General's Bucklersbury House.

Perhaps the biggest catalyst could be One New Change, where more than 200,000 sq ft of retail is planned. Land Securities, the developer, hopes it will attract tourists visiting nearby St Paul's Cathedral.

The corporation has held meetings with developers to co-ordinate a drive to create a "unique shopping area".

"The unique selling point of the City is that it's not just a shopping mall like anywhere else, this is shopping in the heart of a heritage centre, between Wren churches, fabulous Georgian buildings, a juxtaposition of retailing and architecture," said Mr Rees.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/050114_2495_london_city.jpg

DarJoLe
May 28th, 2006, 01:02 AM
Well the simplest way to stop residents complaining about office schemes is to house the high rises next door to them. The people who move there are hardly going to complain about their view being spoiled are they?

london lad
May 28th, 2006, 01:31 AM
Interesting! I'm trying to work out which site it relates to. There's a fairly big site on the south east corner of the junction of Tooley St and Bermondsey St which is currently being developed, but doesn't seem to fit in with the timescales. Will divert my Saturday afternoon run along Tooley Street and try and work out where it is.

I dunno what the times on the gpe website are all about. 7 mins from Tooley St to City Hall and 14 mins to Tower Bridge! For whom, a snail? :dunno:

Im pretty sure its the site right oppo More London- Its a collection of victorian buildings, which will be retained & behind ,which is mostly derelict spae so I recall- The development will get progressively taller as it move towards the railway viaducts

london lad
May 28th, 2006, 12:34 PM
Big name talk on London highrises if anyones interested going

http://www.architectureweek.org.uk/...356&Highlight=1

London’s skyline is about to be transformed forever as a series of ever-taller buildings spiral upwards over the next few years. Until now the true implications of these collective proposals have not been discussed in a public forum. Organised by the Architecture Foundation and featuring acclaimed international architect Rem Koolhaas, The Big Debate will be a lively examination of the future of London’s skyline. Chaired by Rowan Moore of The Architecture Foundation, speakers include Pritzker Prize-winning architect Rem Koolhaas (OMA),Foreign Office Architects (architect tbc), Adam Caruso (Caruso St John Architects) and Lee Polisano (KPF).

BenL
May 28th, 2006, 12:58 PM
Link doesn't work for me.

DarJoLe
May 28th, 2006, 01:04 PM
New London Architecture - Have Your Say
Tall Buildings in London
Maxine Barron, St Jonh's Wood, London

Dear Curator
I was born in London and have lived here all my life. I have no desire to live anywhere else. I have worked in central London since 1964. I have always been very proud of London and have always considered it to be the most interesting capital city in the world.

I attended the above display yesterday. Whilst I am pleased to see that there are many areas of my city due for renewal in interesting and forward looking ways I was very disappointed that there was no reference to the fact that the new 'towers' in the City of London will overwhelm the small medieval streets that they will be built in. There is no reference to how these exceptionally tall towers will affect the weather at 'ground level' i.e. wind tunnels, blocking out the sun, etc. This kind of thing may not be part of your remit, but I do feel that these things are immensely important and that not enough is ever made of this kind of affect. It is fairly obvious from the 'comments on the wall' that few of the people who attend have ever been to the City of London and do not realise the dreadful way that they tall towers will overshadow and interesting 'village' in London. It's possible that many of your visitors do not even live or work in London and have no concept of how long these awful buildings will be a blot on the landscape.

Americans, especially, like our city because it does not have many towers - they love the fact that we have open spaces all over the place. Many of them prefer our London parks and gardens because, unlike Central Park, they are not surrounded by tall buildings which remind them they are in a city. They can pretend they are out in the country.

As it happens I do not like the tall towers in the City (apart from the 'Gherkin') since they add absolutely nothing interesting to the skyline of London. To me they are simply architects being lazy - the designs look very much as though they are a direct result of a computer program, and there appears to be very little actual input in creativity, imagaination or forward thinking - those responsible have simply tweaked a few lines on the computer model. And why are all of these buildings in glass and metal? Whatever happened to London's traditional building materials of brick and stone. I notice that where architects have been forced to work along with listed buildings or facades they have been substantially more creative and imaginative.

I am not against tall buildings per se, only the current City of London batch - they should not be built, or they should be sited in docklands, an area which has, unfortunately, already been ruined, so cannot get much worse visually. (The original Canary Wharf tower was a simple, but gracious building - then they built two boring square towers on either side and totally ruined it from any angle).

London is not New York or Shanghai or Hong Kong and does not need ever more tall buildings. In any event most of these will have a proliferation of office space. I travel all over London and there is rather too much empty office space - shouldn't we aim to fill this before building yet more offices, especially as many companies are relocating to outer London to save money. We need more homes and facilities for people (a few more green spaces in the City would be nice) not more offices which will, I predict, remain empty.

jef
May 28th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Thuis guy obviously does not know nothing about architecture or economics.

Dan1987
May 28th, 2006, 01:39 PM
What a nutbar, hey guys lets stifle the office market because Americans like our city lowrise!! :crazy:

eXSBass
May 28th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Fairplay he's expressed his opinion.
But hang on, without high rises he trying to tell me big city firms from across the world would still want to situate thier World Head Quarters at a puny 10 storey ground scraper?
I think not my pedigree chum.

Example, in London, not in the city. At Canary Wharf you've got the HSBC World Headquarters. If they opted for a 5 storey main office surrounded by thier competitors, which have 50 Storey towers like Barclay's Churchil Place and Citigroup's Tower adjacent to One Canada Square, i'm pretty sure HSBC would feel intimedated.

I respect his opinion though :)

BenL
May 28th, 2006, 02:23 PM
Certainly. I see what he means about the Docklands and whilst I find the idea of a skyscraper canyon down Bishopsgate exciting, we must remember it would lose something of the feel of the city. In Europe, skyscrapers seem new and exciting. To non-European tourists it is the lack of skyscrapers that is exciting.

Of course London needs more office space. Of course we need skyscrapers. Obviously he doesn't know enough about the city's requirements. We shouldn't go back in time - one of London's greatest virtues is its real mix of styles, past, present and future but we have made mistakes and I believe with this new trend for identical yuppie flats and characterless boxes we are making another one.

High quality buildings like the Bishopsgate Tower, the Shard and Leadenhall will add to our city. Several Heron Towers will make the City of London a much more boring place. London will never be New York but it is one of the most, if not the, most important cities in the world. There's no need to emulate New York or Hong Kong when we have such a great city already. The most important thing is the beauty of the building, ahead of its height.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Can anyone tell me how to make stuff for google earth?

wjfox
May 28th, 2006, 03:02 PM
You need the Google SketchUp (http://sketchup.google.com/) program.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 03:06 PM
Thanks Will

Fragmentor
May 28th, 2006, 04:27 PM
As it happens I do not like the tall towers in the City (apart from the 'Gherkin') since they add absolutely nothing interesting to the skyline of London. To me they are simply architects being lazy - the designs look very much as though they are a direct result of a computer program, and there appears to be very little actual input in creativity, imagaination or forward thinking - those responsible have simply tweaked a few lines on the computer model. And why are all of these buildings in glass and metal? Whatever happened to London's traditional building materials of brick and stone.

what an idiot, no imagination in the buildings? Hes a complete nutjob and has no idea about what he is talking about

nick_taylor
May 28th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Well the simplest way to stop residents complaining about office schemes is to house the high rises next door to them. The people who move there are hardly going to complain about their view being spoiled are they?A way forward would be to encourage highrises up into Shoreditch and towards Shadwell and solidify Bishopsgate position as an 'avenue' for Central London.

It is funny though how in a sense, Downtown Manhattan and the Square Mile share the common characteristic of probably being amongst the densest places on the planet for people, but lack significant quantities of housing.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 28th, 2006, 05:04 PM
what an idiot, no imagination in the buildings? Hes a complete nutjob and has no idea about what he is talking about
Well, while I deffinitely don't agree with what that guy is saying, I can understand where he's coming from. He's just worried that the magnificent historical streets that London encompasses will be overshadowed and in some way lessened by tall buildings. But he clearly fails to appreciate the ability of well designed skyscrapers to compliment low rise buildings and give contrast and scope to an area, making the eye look upwards to see quality modern architecture as well as focussing on quality historic street level buildings. And lets not forget, these proposed towers, while being in sort of a general cluster, arn't side by side like in New York, and will therefore still allow plenty of light and space to the sqaure mile and the surrounding area. Plus, they are not pulling down any prestigiously historic buildings to make way for these skyscrapers, just basically dissused, mainly 60's blocks of crap that are a stain on London's streets!

But I do have to concur on one general point he made in that speech, and that is that there is too much lazy design work going on these days-not with these beautiful skyscrapers like Bishopsgate and LBT-but with dull, repetative glass and steel low (and sometimes high) rise boxes that are constantlly being proposed. I would dearly love to see some more quality stone buildings being designed, taking on a gothical/classical/Neo-baroque (regent st) kinda look. I know it costs more and takes longer to do in stone...but come on...even maybe just 1 out of 100 new buildings like this would be ok....

:cheers:

GazKinz
May 28th, 2006, 05:33 PM
Yeah I agree, I would really like to see a few classically designed buildings, doubtful we'll get any soon though as classicism is the enemy of modernist architects.

Fragmentor
May 28th, 2006, 06:31 PM
theres no reason why all the materials can't be encompassed in one design, Stone would look great with some interesting glasswork.

Paul2006
May 28th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Since when has Maxine been a guy's name?

I don't agree with HER sentiment on tall buildings particularly, as I happen to think in the majority of cases they have a net benefit towards their respective environments. However, I don't claim to know the intimate history of the City's medieval streets, and I have great sympathy towards the views of someone who clearly cares about the history of the place.

Perhaps SHE should be pointed in the direction of these forums, where SHE might find some of HER fears allayed by the consensus of opinion that most of these building are indeed considerate and improve their areas, as touched on by the Jack Rabbit above.

Fragmentor
May 28th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Im sure everyone would love HER around. I dont think SHE is naive to the facts, SHE is just against the ideas

eXSBass
May 28th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Fuck me sideways, any of you guys remember this about 7 years ago:

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t240/T240974A.jpg

Nostalgia ;)

DarJoLe
May 28th, 2006, 08:15 PM
That was a lot longer ago than seven years, it was around 1996 I reckon.

Dan1987
May 28th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Weren't 8 and 25 Canada Sq u/c in 1999?

BenL
May 28th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Isn't it sweet. :)

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 09:23 PM
What do you guys think of my first skyscraper design for London? It's a residential/hotel/commercial tower and would form the pinnacle to a new residential cluster, a cluster that would stand to the right of the cities when viewed from the southbank.

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/D7E21960EE7E11DA81F28CC552272983.jpg

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Here are the proper glass colours

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/3061AB30EE8111DA9A999C5052272983.jpg

DarJoLe
May 28th, 2006, 09:58 PM
Too tall for London.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 10:03 PM
Its only meant to be about 250m-260m. It is quite thin though it does make it look alot taller

Gherkin
May 28th, 2006, 10:32 PM
A tower similar to this is being built in Seoul, South Korea, but that one is well over 450m tall... I don't like your design. Sorry :( Too thin! Chop off the top half.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Thats alright, its my first design, I'll learn:)

Oh and here is the reply I got from that Colin Amery guy who had a recent rant about skyscrapers:

Good to hear your views on skyscapers - it's the lack of good planning that IS spoiling London and the failure to demolish the rubbish that was built in the 1960's...Colin A

warcry
May 28th, 2006, 10:58 PM
I HAVE REMOVED THIS FOR A REASON ALL MY BUILDINGS ARE LEAGALLY COPRIGHTED AND I HAVE REMOVED THIS TO STOP RIVAL ARCHITECHS FROM STEALING THE IDEA

DarJoLe
May 28th, 2006, 11:02 PM
I like that. If you 'pulled' those traingles out of the top so it gave it a bit more of a spire or lift it would look cool. The detailing is about 'delicacy' for a skyscraper crown.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 11:02 PM
Its great! V. nice design! We should have a thread for our designs!

warcry
May 28th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Its great! V. nice design! We should have a thread for our designs!


thnx alot Oh and by the way Guys When im Older I WILL build this.

eXSBass
May 28th, 2006, 11:05 PM
What happened to using old pencil and paper. Do designers consider them obsolete these days?

I personally can't stand illustrating my ideas on computer using CAD as they dont really interept my imagination, only my hand can do that. Plus, when drawing there is alot more soul in it.

Don't get me wrong though Newcastle Kid, that's a brill initial idea. Keep putting it under the spot light till you get it perfect.
War Cry, I can see where you are going with this, good work :)

warcry
May 28th, 2006, 11:06 PM
I like that. If you 'pulled' those traingles out of the top so it gave it a bit more of a spire or lift it would look cool. The detailing is about 'delicacy' for a skyscraper crown.


teh triangles are pulled out and the back which i havent shown looks the same as the front :)

warcry
May 28th, 2006, 11:17 PM
I have removed this to stop rival architechs from stealing my idea there is a reason for this drastic action.

Newcastle Guy
May 28th, 2006, 11:24 PM
Nice! I agree that the crown is excellent! I'm gonna make a proper thread for the Google sketchup designs:)

warcry
May 29th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Nice! I agree that the crown is excellent! I'm gonna make a proper thread for the Google sketchup designs:)

thnx m8 :)

eXSBass
May 29th, 2006, 01:25 PM
Is it just for Google Sketchup or can it be designs through any medium, that is drawing or any other software?

warcry
May 29th, 2006, 01:51 PM
Is it just for Google Sketchup or can it be designs through any medium, that is drawing or any other software?


anything u want by pen pencil or by computer (PC and MAC)

warcry
May 29th, 2006, 01:54 PM
Wooo! im goign to london tomorow! im gonna check out all the constructions!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Newcastle Guy
May 29th, 2006, 04:27 PM
I just made this:

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/8905D890EF1E11DAB97C3BAD52272983.jpg

I'll try and put it up to download later on

warcry
May 29th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I just made this:

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/8905D890EF1E11DAB97C3BAD52272983.jpg

I'll try and put it up to download later on


lol i allready have one :)

Newcastle Guy
May 29th, 2006, 04:48 PM
I just started yesterday lol go easy:)

Anyway for those who dont have it you can get it from here (http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=455b220b86c4d19e15024b0937420303) :)

Newcastle Guy
May 29th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Anyone fancy doing the vauxhall cross island twins? I tried but I cant even make oval shapes:(

Fragmentor
May 29th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Im gonna give drawing a go, hopefully by the end of half term ill have a fantastico idea

Ntn_Rawlings
May 29th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Whats this 230m 'glengall Bridge' proposal about, as shown on ssp's london diagram -http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/ ? Perhaps this is the skyscraper proposal gothic was talking about earlier in the week? Ive googled it and have found nothing about it. Shedding some light on this would be nice...

wjfox
May 29th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Whats this 230m 'glengall Bridge' proposal about, as shown on ssp's london diagram -http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/ ? Perhaps this is the skyscraper proposal gothic was talking about earlier in the week? Ive googled it and have found nothing about it. Shedding some light on this would be nice...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=326019

Ntn_Rawlings
May 29th, 2006, 06:32 PM
ahhhhhh. Wooops, forgot about that. Cheers.

maggie
May 29th, 2006, 07:42 PM
http://www.stockwool.com/STD/img/maxmoore1.jpg
http://www.stockwool.com/STD/img/maxmoore2.jpg

The continued regeneration of Stratford has taken another huge step forward with the awarding of consent by Newham Council for a 249 unit, £50 million mixed use development in Warton Road; Telford Homes' joint venture with The Royal Bank of Scotland. Stock Woolstencroft’s design proposes an 18 storey tower and two other 4 and 8 storey buildings, all overlooking a new linear park alongside the Waterworks tributary of the river Lea. This high-quality development incorporates an underground car park, landscaped courtyard and the ability to extend a new walkway through the site connecting the Carpenters estate to the river frontage.

The glass fronted ground and first floor provides retail and studio space with a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed units overhead. The agreed affordable contribution is 35% with a 50:50 split between affordable rent and intermediate tenures.

http://www.stockwool.com/STD/proj-hs8.html

Newcastle Guy
May 29th, 2006, 08:08 PM
^^Dont like it, the colours look stupid

Anyway, I have made something else for Google Earth

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/B22FF8E0772311DAAA14095452272983.jpg

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/B58E8D30772311DAA7F6095752272983.jpg

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/E6A4B760B8EF11DA93E4635A52272983.jpg

http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/00513850EF3C11DAAD6DC1E052272983.jpg

Im having some problems uploading it to 3D warehouse, I'll post a link shortly

BenL
May 29th, 2006, 08:32 PM
The buildings aren't special but Stratford doesn't need landmark buildings, it has the Olympic sites and frankly that isn't the issue, it's regeneration. Affordable, good quality housing is what's needed.

Jack Rabbit Slim
May 30th, 2006, 03:01 AM
http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/B22FF8E0772311DAAA14095452272983.jpg


http://www.magix-photos.com/mediapool00/54/48/6F/30/77/16/11/DA/85/15/20/23/52/27/29/83/oma/10/E6A4B760B8EF11DA93E4635A52272983.jpg


What are these new shiney towers on the left and what is the status of them? Anyone?? Looks quite nice, starting a mini cluster round there.

:cheers:

london lad
May 30th, 2006, 04:49 AM
What are these new shiney towers on the left and what is the status of them? Anyone?? Looks quite nice, starting a mini cluster round there.

:cheers:


http://www.squireandpartners.com/introframe.php

Theres a thread on it somewhere- you will have to trawl throught the P&C threads to find it as cant see it off hand.

potto
May 30th, 2006, 07:47 AM
those 2 towers will save the St Georges development!

Fragmentor
May 30th, 2006, 08:20 AM
Newcastle Kid: how do you draw eliptical circles on GE? I cant do it!

london lad
May 30th, 2006, 08:56 AM
those 2 towers will save the St Georges development!

There not part of St Georges development- They are for a plot next door ( the big grassy traffic island)

potto
May 30th, 2006, 09:37 AM
yeah, just referring to the overall visual appeal of the St Georges development, think those two towers, although further away really save St Georges cause I think it looks a tad false

DarJoLe
May 30th, 2006, 11:56 AM
http://www.stockwool.com/STD/img/maxmoore1.jpg
http://www.stockwool.com/STD/img/maxmoore2.jpg

The continued regeneration of Stratford has taken another huge step forward with the awarding of consent by Newham Council for a 249 unit, £50 million mixed use development in Warton Road; Telford Homes' joint venture with The Royal Bank of Scotland. Stock Woolstencroft’s design proposes an 18 storey tower and two other 4 and 8 storey buildings, all overlooking a new linear park alongside the Waterworks tributary of the river Lea. This high-quality development incorporates an underground car park, landscaped courtyard and the ability to extend a new walkway through the site connecting the Carpenters estate to the river frontage.

The glass fronted ground and first floor provides retail and studio space with a mix of 1, 2 and 3 bed units overhead. The agreed affordable contribution is 35% with a 50:50 split between affordable rent and intermediate tenures.

http://www.stockwool.com/STD/proj-hs8.html

This is under construction now, it's right next door to the Aquatic Centre.

Newcastle Guy
May 30th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Newcastle Kid: how do you draw eliptical circles on GE? I cant do it!

I drew two arcs, together they made an oval shape:)

Newcastle Guy
May 30th, 2006, 05:15 PM
What are these new shiney towers on the left and what is the status of them? Anyone?? Looks quite nice, starting a mini cluster round there.

:cheers:

They are 100m and 170m tall, and are currently proposed. There should be more towers propsed around there in the future

wearethefuture
May 30th, 2006, 05:47 PM
The two similar towers near Vauxhall Bridge look pretty smart if not a little dull and bland. They're definately big and bulky! Undecided on whether these will look good or bad placed in this area, if they use the blue'ish coloured glass that is used a lot around Vauxhall (such as the massive development) i reckon they could work. May need to see some more renders to be convinced.

PS: How come London doesn't have its own subcategory on SSC?