Currently the race is on between Manchester's Eastgate/Inacity Tower and the La Lumiere twin towers in Leeds.

or will Liverpool and Birmingham steal their thunder??

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Eastgate/Inacity Tower, Manchester - 188m, 58storeys, Status - Approved

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La Lumiere, Leeds - 171m, 54storeys, Status - Proposed

We all know Manchester will be the winner, it already has the current honour and we'll be damned if we're letting it go elsewhere ;)

Yup, can only be Manchester, they have a council that fully backs tall building proposals and a demand for living and office space

Likely be Manc...but dang the Leeds tower is a beaut!

knowing what i know, and what you dont, birmingham.

knowing what i know, and what you dont, birmingham.

:baeh3: to us then ;)

Is this Arena Central at last?

Whilst this obviously means that Birmingham has a new tall tower in the works I am skeptical as to whether it will end up being the tallest in the country (bar London). Mainly because of Birminghams recent high rise past (the height reduction of HCT and the arena central saga).

I'd love to be prooven wrong however, another city joining the race to have the UK's tallest would certainly be exciting.

Dalmarnock Tower in Glasgow is proposed at 55 floors / 180m with a more detailed proposal due anytime now - so maybe it will challenge Eastgate?

1: Birmingham
2: manchester
3: leeds

i love gothic........

....and i agree

but it will be a close run thing between all four cities i cant help but feel......

Birmingham started the race in the planning, Manchester started the race in the buildings.....the point has come though now where all cities can now watch and learn.....!

Whilst this obviously means that Birmingham has a new tall tower in the works I am skeptical as to whether it will end up being the tallest in the country (bar London). Mainly because of Birminghams recent high rise past (the height reduction of HCT and the arena central saga).

I suspect the tower gothic alludes to actually is Arena Central.

Although I may be wrong.

I'm still counting on a 201m Canopus Tower in Manchester ;)

Plans will soon be uveiled in Newcastle for a piece of one of the best sites in the North of England. The developers had a consultation and asked the public what they thought of tall buildings, and the idea now seems widely accepted, providing the designs are high quality. The site could incorparate up to 3 skyscrapers between 150m-200m and more 50m-150m buildings, so fingers crossed!

the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.
What?! In Birmingham?? :eek2:

the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.

Ohh, the plot thickens!;)

Plans will soon be uveiled in Newcastle for a piece of one of the best sites in the North of England. The developers had a consultation and asked the public what they thought of tall buildings, and the idea now seems widely accepted, providing the designs are high quality. The site could incorparate up to 3 skyscrapers between 150m-200m and more 50m-150m buildings, so fingers crossed!


fingers crossed i agree...... but u gotta admit that however big the chance of there being a 200m tower in ncl, there is 10x more chance of there being nothing over 15 floors lol

Likely to be Manchester because Birmingham has people etc that moan about tall buildings. Wasnt Birminghams Beetham ment to be 150 Meters? but it was shortened because of the moan alots.

[QUOTE=gothicform]the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.[/QUOTE

Is Gothic alluding to Lancaster Circus ?

Likely to be Manchester because Birmingham has people etc that moan about tall buildings. Wasnt Birminghams Beetham ment to be 150 Meters? but it was shortened because of the moan alots.

HCT was meant to be 190m thanku lol

and it got reduced as a result of the CAA and was also temp shelved as a result of an IRA right next door!

[QUOTE=gothicform]the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.[/QUOTE

Is Gothic alluding to Lancaster Circus ?

i cant help but think he likes to muddy the water and stir stuff up... could be anything....lancaster, paradise...anything

Lumiere is due to receive planning permission in the Autumn, with an on site start early in 2007, and a possible completion date of 2010.
It won't be blue either, the shorter tower will be a reddish colour, and the taller tower will be a shocking silver.

[QUOTE=gothicform]the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.[/QUOTE

Is Gothic alluding to Lancaster Circus ?

What do you know about Lancaster Circus hammerb?

Btw - well done, but bad luck at the weekend - I was secretly rooting for the Hammers :)

Manchester

[QUOTE=hammerb24]

What do you know about Lancaster Circus hammerb?

Btw - well done, but bad luck at the weekend - I was secretly rooting for the Hammers :)

Not a lot other than the council building was recently sold and a tall there would look out of this world.

As for the Hammers what can you say, Stevie G is some player I just wish he was off form Saturday!

Clearly Eastgate is the tallest proposed provincial tower that we officially know about.

Lumiere comes in a little under (18m thereabouts).

Not sure about Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow or Birmingham, but Gothic is playing his 'knowledge is power' trick again, so I guess anything is possible.

As for the first to actually start construction, well it must be between Eastgate and Lumiere.

Exciting times.

If I had to bet I'd go with Manchester as it's the council that seems most willing to actually get a move on and where there's already alot of construction. Good news if something big is about to be proposed in Brum though!

Birmingham Council wants big towers, it's just the bloody CAA stopping them, that and all the other gubbins that goes along with planning permissions and all that.

I would explain the CAA rules, but frankly I don't understand them, welll, no I understand them, it's just how they would improve plane/city saftey I don't understand.

HCT/Beecham Birmignham would have been magnificiant at 192 Meters...

bless...imagine, HCT with the mclaren building on top of it....ok it would be an ugly sight but thats how tall HCT was meant to be

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imagine, HCT with the mclaren building on top of it....

The mating habits of tall buildings...

Sounds very interesting.

If Gothics not talking about Arena Central then its real exciting. I wonder if we will here of any new developments in June when those pesky skyscraper architects from Chicago come over to help us plan our high-rise metropolis ;)

Wow! never saw that bit. Bigger then Eastgate? could we see something reaching 200m in Brum? :runaway:

the tower gothic alludes to is NOT arena central :) itll be taller than beetham and probably taller than eastgate.

well i guess manchester will still come out tops.. it can only be so long before someone proposes a 200m tower

Birmingham has the problem of being on highish ground.... the CAA have said no to anything remotely tall.... i will try and find out the airspace rules for the city, i have a CAA map at my mums, I will have a look.

Manchester's future tall possibilities?

Dandaras Crowngate proposal,(looks big) not to mention No1 Hardman Square, which is now a mixed scheme,(various designs being banded about by Fosters) and Central Spine.(another big prospect) Then theres the mysterious BSC Greengate tower.(no pics yet)

Crowngate.

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No1 Hardman Square.

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Central Spine.

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Looks like the design for the Lumiere (née Criterion Place?) scheme in Leeds is being revamped slightly - it's now going to be two twin towers of equal height, which will also be increased to 207 metres and 62 floors each. But the towers will now lean outwards from each other at an angle of 20º from the vertical, collectively creating an enormous V profile which, when seen from afar, will surely be Leeds' way of saying a big "fuck you" to every other competing city, yes, that includes Manchester and Birmingham!!

(Either that or the new configuration will be likened to someone lying on the floor with both their legs akimbo up in the air.)

Here's what it looks like.... :)

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^^

The question just has to be begged - looking at these Central Spine renderings and impressions - why the hell do we need another exact Beetham/Hilton Tower clone as shown here? Is this really what Manchester wants? Countless variations on the same tedious slab shape?

I think not. :| :no:

^^ I like the look of them :)

i like the layout of them..but im sorry........ another mini beetham.....well why would u want that? beetham wont be unique.....cuz u made a new one yourself lol

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Scuse my french but that's absolutely the fucking best proposal I've seen in ages.

Leeds definatley.
The city just has the feel to it,like a calm before the storm.
They are gonna build some absolutley huge towers on the city's gateways and these are basically gonna make Manc and Brum look like smaller cousins!
The place is just destined for greater things!
Manchester will burn out,as well as Birmingham,were as Leeds,even at the scale it is now (an extremley bustling metropolis) will just grow and grow to the point of totally dwarfing its 'poorer' cousins.
Go Leeds GO!
George
Oldham

:lol: thanks George

Is Leeds large enough to support all this development?

I doubt very much that Leeds will 'dwarf' Birmingham and Manchester or even Liverpool. I dont think Leeds will grow like that just because it has the right feel to it.

Population change 1991-2001:
Southampton +7.3%
London +7.0%
Cardiff +3.5%
Edinburgh +2.9%
Leeds +1.3%
Sheffield -1.3%
Birmingham -1.9%
Bristol -2.2%
Manchester -3.3%
Stoke -3.6%
Nottingham -3.7%
Plymouth -4.1%
Newcastle -5.1%
Dundee -6.5%
Liverpool -7.0%
Hull -7.6%
Glasgow -8.0%

Population change 1991-2001:
Southampton +7.3%
London +7.0%
Cardiff +3.5%
Edinburgh +2.9%
Leeds +1.3%
Sheffield -1.3%
Birmingham -1.9%
Bristol -2.2%
Manchester -3.3%
Stoke -3.6%
Nottingham -3.7%
Plymouth -4.1%
Newcastle -5.1%
Dundee -6.5%
Liverpool -7.0%
Hull -7.6%
Glasgow -8.0%
What has that got to do with anything. This thread is about the tallest skyscrapers and nowt to do with Population.

Cardiff's tallest will be 114m (estimated) - not bad for a smallish city. I think Cardiff has one of the UK's best cluster skylines... sure it might not have the tallest cluster but the buildings are still compacted together unlike cities like Birmingham which are spread all over the city and look un-impressive.

Go down skyscraper alley in Brum, the skyscrapers are pretty compacted! It's probably one of the most compacted in the country bar London.

unlike cities like Birmingham which are spread all over the city and look un-impressive.

I think we need Charlie P to read this little bit.....

....he might get a coronary!

:D

I think we need Charlie P to read this little bit.....

....he might get a coronary!

:D

I went through Birmingham on the train (on the way to the ice hockey playoffs in Nottingham) and i'm sorry to say i wasn't too impressed!

The buildings there are nice and tall but they seem too spread out.

I went through Birmingham on the train (on the way to the ice hockey playoffs in Nottingham) and i'm sorry to say i wasn't too impressed!

The buildings there are nice and tall but they seem too spread out.


I wasn't disputing your point (the city of Birmingham is 81 SQUARE MILES in size after all, you know), I was actually referring to the syntactical shortcomings of that aforequoted bit of text.

Charlie P likes his "i"s dotted and his "t"s crossed. ;)

knowing what i know, and what you dont, birmingham.
So then, when are you going to spill the beans on us lesser mortals?

Cardiff's tallest will be 114m (estimated) - not bad for a smallish city. I think Cardiff has one of the UK's best cluster skylines... sure it might not have the tallest cluster but the buildings are still compacted together unlike cities like Birmingham which are spread all over the city and look un-impressive.


As they say on "bulletproof" ... Fugging Idiot!

What has that got to do with anything. This thread is about the tallest skyscrapers and nowt to do with Population.

AndySimo, I was replying to Agent Vengeance and co. about the growth of Leeds. A little socio-economic context helps explain why some cities show much more dynamic property development than others.

Obviously we must also look at the location of Leeds,its a natural crossroads.
Halfway between London and Edinburgh,and halfway between Liverpool and Hull.
Its set,dead slap bang in the middle of the UK.
Alot of people,especially foreigners are using the city as a base to discover other parts of the UK.
These people are raising the city's international profile further (this time for the right positive reasons) and also ploughing additional income into the city.
The more i travel in and around Leeds now,the more diverse the people there.
I think its already begining to show alot of international interest,and will only be a matter of time before further international corporate companies look out from London for a northern division of their company and businesses.
I know for one there are some at this very minute eyeing Leeds up for their needs.
If the city's fathers welcome skyscrapers,as they do,then we have a very healtyh combination of factors set in place for Leeds.
Regarding the city dwarfing its neighbours,well its already true for Liverpool isn't it?
As for Manchester,its not far behind aswell as B'ham.
Everyweek you can just feel this hive of activity in the city,and i haven't felt it elsewhere to such a strong degree as i have in Leeds.
I wish it was Manchester,but to be honest,i think its Penine rival is going to slap its arse!

As they say on "bulletproof" ... Fugging Idiot!

I knew my post would be contoversial lol. Birmingham = boring (in my opinion of course).

Can we get an updated list of the taller projects outside London? Please? :)

This includes all UK and Ireland projects, it probably needs updating though -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=190527

that's missing dozens upon dozens of Mancunian towers /\

Yes, thats my old list from last year, really does need some changes

I knew my post would be contoversial lol. Birmingham = boring (in my opinion of course).


Ok then al'mighty one. However, Cardiff - best clusters in the UK, and yet you despise Birminghams skyline? Is it cause Brum actually has tall buildings? ;)

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Well this thread was kinda killed by Gotchiforms slip of tongue. If he knows something we dont know his more then likely to be right but we cant discuss any further until "something" changes.

At this moment in time its Eastgate

knowing what i know, and what you dont, birmingham.


"oooh, i have some information about a skyscraper and i'm not going to tell anybody, i'm just going to drop hints about it on a message board"

jesus christ

if you do have some info please share rather than dropping ridiculous "i know more than you" hints

get a grip you fuckin lunatic

Calm down dude. Were hear about it, when we hear about it. Theres alot of things which inflict the amount of information someone is allowed to post. Being a Mancunian you should know that after a recent render was deleted. Time will tell :)

yes i know this simlim but i think it is just a bit silly when people hint about knowing stuff but don't divulge

if you know something but aren't prepared to give details you shouldn't post a pissy "i know, but you don't" type comment , nahmean?

Yes, Gothic does seem to enjoy teasing people with his insider knowledge. :)

And then .. half the time .. nothing materialises. What was it the other week that was 'going to make us all very happy'?

Obviously we must also look at the location of Leeds,its a natural crossroads.
Halfway between London and Edinburgh,and halfway between Liverpool and Hull.
Its set,dead slap bang in the middle of the UK.
Alot of people,especially foreigners are using the city as a base to discover other parts of the UK.
These people are raising the city's international profile further (this time for the right positive reasons) and also ploughing additional income into the city.
The more i travel in and around Leeds now,the more diverse the people there.
I think its already begining to show alot of international interest,and will only be a matter of time before further international corporate companies look out from London for a northern division of their company and businesses.
I know for one there are some at this very minute eyeing Leeds up for their needs.
If the city's fathers welcome skyscrapers,as they do,then we have a very healtyh combination of factors set in place for Leeds.
Regarding the city dwarfing its neighbours,well its already true for Liverpool isn't it?
As for Manchester,its not far behind aswell as B'ham.
Everyweek you can just feel this hive of activity in the city,and i haven't felt it elsewhere to such a strong degree as i have in Leeds.
I wish it was Manchester,but to be honest,i think its Penine rival is going to slap its arse!

You have a point about being in the middle of the UK (ish) and for companies looking to have a northern branch. IMO companies will look to settle in either Leeds or Manchester, but at the moment Manchester will win because it has a large international airport with the most direct flights to other destinations (excepting London airports of course). Just look at the BoNY deal for example.

Brum is a funny one because it is not far enough north to offer that prospect. That said, Brum is within 2 hours drive of most of the UK's population. Companies venturing outside London often set up in Brum first, or those that want to be quite close to London see it as an attractive place. This should be marketed more for Brum IMO.

The problem Leeds has, apart from the airport, is that it lacks many of the facilities that the larger cities have. There needs to be a good sporting, cultural, musical infrastructure to compete properly. Brum and Manchester have this, and Cardiff has realised this. I guess it will come in time for Leeds.

As for the hive of activity, I am undoubted you are right, but I guess that's because you live there? I would say that others living in Brum, Mcr, Cardiff, Glasgow and Sheffield feel pretty much the same. Most UK cities are undergoing reformation not seen for decades :)

"oooh, i have some information about a skyscraper and i'm not going to tell anybody, i'm just going to drop hints about it on a message board"

jesus christ

if you do have some info please share rather than dropping ridiculous "i know more than you" hints

get a grip you fuckin lunatic

Go on, keep calling people fucking lunatics and being sarcastic and get yourself banned.

The problem Leeds has, apart from the airport, is that it lacks many of the facilities that the larger cities have.
What is Leeds Bradford like? I've heard its not much cop.

Go on, keep calling people fucking lunatics and being sarcastic and get yourself banned.

hi kid

i have done nothing that warrants a ban, this is the first time i have called anybody a lunatic to the best of my knowledge

thanks for your concern though

thanks and best regards
timo

confidentiality agreements mean we cant share knowlege. whats going to make you all very happy catmando will probably be exhibited at the royal academy this summer.

confidentiality agreements mean we cant share knowlege. whats going to make you all very happy catmando will probably be exhibited at the royal academy this summer.


i bet its that Birmingham point or what ever it was. You know the needle one.

i bet its that Birmingham point or what ever it was. You know the needle one.

The Pinnacle?

Thats already been proposed at 175m

Im not even sure if Gothic is talking about Birmingham in his last post.

confidentiality agreements mean we cant share knowlege. whats going to make you all very happy catmando will probably be exhibited at the royal academy this summer.

May I ask, what the Royal Academy is and what date is it?

The Pinnacle?

Thats already been proposed at 175m

Im not even sure if Gothic is talking about Birmingham in his last post.


no no this one.

mabye its been Redesigned?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images.php?se=nse&ref=1159&idi=The+Birmingham+Needle

hmmmm... I wonder

Yeh, but that was due to be in the Eastside but has now been taken up by the Pinnacle. I saw a few desings for the Needle a few years back now. It would've been impressive and at a cost just shy of £10m :(

Yeh, but that was due to be in the Eastside but has now been taken up by the Pinnacle. I saw a few desings for the Needle a few years back now. It would've been impressive and at a cost just shy of £10m :(


i dont acctually like the design of that birmingham needle BUT I REALLY LIKE the birmingham pinnacle.

its wierd beacuse i used to live in birmingham and tall buildings were starting to be built when i lived there.(the telecom tower was allready there)

then when we moved to portsmouth (well fareham which is so close to portsmouth it is acctually joined to it lol!)
when the spinnaker tower went up!

when ever i go somewhere, i hear about a new skyscraper proposal for that city a couple of days later!(major citys only lol)

im going to london next week so who knows if london will get another masterpiece of a proposal!

Warcry fancing visiting Newcastle, asap?;)

Warcry fancing visiting Newcastle, asap?;)

well in july i'm going up to the isle of man to visit my grandparents ive been there 24 times :D

and we are stopping off in liverpool for a bit.

but mabye after then to newcastle :) i have wanted to visit it. But the thing that puts me off is that i live in portsmouth, on the south coast!,and newcaslte is top corner of England the drive up would be like 10 hours!

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I think it is going to be some time before Leeds dwarfs Liverpool. With one exception, (the Lime Street Gateway tower to the far right of the photo,which has planning permission), all these buildings are either built or under construction.

Whilst we are unlikely to have the tallest building outside of London, I think we have the best setting of probably any British city for tall buildings.

i can tell you that im not talking about a needle for anything nor am i talking about birmingham in my last post as someone points out.

^^

but you said
knowing what i know, and what you dont, birmingham.

confidentiality agreements mean we cant share knowlege.

Fair enough, but why post 'I know more than you do, so nar nar!' type comments? It's guaranteed to get peoples backs up.

Aye, he is leading everyone on a merry dance isnt he ;)

So gothic, has Brum actually got anything in the pipeline thats half interesting or not?

something tells me that no matter how many times u ask, he aint going to spill...if he has anythihg to spill at all!

it would seem he loves the attention

bless

Hey gothic, any hints or news as to anything new happening in Cardiff apart from the 'glass needle' and the three towers in the sports village (Bay)?

Cardiff is due to get a 52m monument of Charlotte Church and Gavin Henson. The council believe it be a major landmark and have even described it as the the UK's answer to the Statue of Liberty. I disagree.

something tells me that no matter how many times u ask, he aint going to spill...if he has anythihg to spill at all!

Yep!

I just want AC and NSS to be revealed :(

it would seem he loves the attention

bless

Dont we all. I just think its a case of waiting and see mate. Its a bitch, but hey. you guys have JRB and he does a fantastic job for you mancunians.

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That looks cool. Water helps define a skyline doesn't it?

I would like to see a cluster of towers off to the left, with a bit of a gap between it and the Graces, as if in deference to the historic side of the city :)

Cardiff is due to get a 52m monument of Charlotte Church and Gavin Henson. The council believe it be a major landmark and have even described it as the the UK's answer to the Statue of Liberty. I disagree.

Most Welsh people are not proud of Gavin Henson and/or Charlotte Church lol.

I would like to see a cluster of towers off to the left, with a bit of a gap between it and the Graces, as if in deference to the historic side of the city :)

Yep, i'm sure you'll find that that is the area zoned off for tall buildings, i remember seeing a map on the scouse forum showing the designated areas, liverpool has the potential to look absolutely sick! (sorry, i'm trying to keep up with the times but it's all a bit confusing)

If there are any more tall buildings in Liverpool, they are almost all likely to be to the north of the 3 graces. There are rumours of a 38 storey tower and a 48 storey in that area but nothing definite.

Aye, he is leading everyone on a merry dance isnt he ;)

So gothic, has Brum actually got anything in the pipeline thats half interesting or not?

*head in hands*

Look again. The FIRST post was Birmingham in answer to the 'where will tallest outside london be' question.

He then made a SECOND comment about something being unveiled which will make people happy, and pointed out that this, his LAST post, was not about Birmingham.

The first one was, the second one wasn't.

i can tell you that im not talking about a needle for anything nor am i talking about birmingham in my last post as someone points out.

No shit - I was the one who pointed it out ;) I was just reiterating the point to clear-up the confusion.

thankyou paulie. i felt like screaming. lol.

And the confusion stops where? Anyone not from Manchester seen the media village? some stunning stuff.

confidentiality agreements mean we cant share knowlege. whats going to '''make you all very happy''' catmando will probably be exhibited at the royal academy this summer.
Nothing for Leeds then - noone in Manc/Brum could ever be happy for Leeds!

^^That's relating to a London project isn't it?

Is that a chip on Leeds' shoulder? I am perfectly happy for Leeds to get nice things...

All UK cities "LeedsLad" are doing something everyone in this country should be proud off. Its quite a change and believe me. If I could have Eastgate or La Lumiere (Id choose the latter ;))

^^That's relating to a London project isn't it?

Is that a chip on Leeds' shoulder? I am perfectly happy for Leeds to get nice things...
I don't think my opinion represts the whole of Leeds (YET mwahahahaha). But it does seem if there's any good news on the Leeds thread there's always some Manc/Brum there to say 'it's not as good as our X' or 'it'll never happen' or 'I don't like it it's awful' or 'we had one ages ago it's nothing special' etc.
I agree we should all be proud to be British and look forwards (and upwards?) to the future greatness of our cities (as long as Leeds is best :runaway: )

:lol: Well there will always be some people who say "ours is better" or xyz, and sometimes they will be right and sometimes they will be wrong.

One thing most of us are guilty of is getting over-excited and claiming projects as granted when it takes years for them to materialise (or not at all) and do not resemble the proposal. Just look at our Arena Central!

Btw - I think you did a typo - I think you meant "as long as Leeds is best *after Brum* ;)

I don't think my opinion represts the whole of Leeds (YET mwahahahaha). But it does seem if there's any good news on the Leeds thread there's always some Manc/Brum there to say 'it's not as good as our X' or 'it'll never happen' or 'I don't like it it's awful' or 'we had one ages ago it's nothing special' etc.
I agree we should all be proud to be British and look forwards (and upwards?) to the future greatness of our cities (as long as Leeds is best :runaway: )

id like to welcome you to the world of skyscraper and city rivalry...its rife here......but deep down jealous is what causes such responses......

A twin tower scheme with the tallest being over 170m a few years ago in the UK would've gone down with raptures wherever it was. It just shows how far the UK has come with highrises over the past decade. We just need a regional city to get a 200m+ now :)

It is looking highly likely that Arena Central roof height will be 175m (according to Estates Gazette, quoting architect Eric Kuhne) so this would place it tallest outside London (if they get a move on before Manchester's Eastgate) - is this correct?

There is also the 175m Pinnacle proposed, and Goth's rumoured taller one :)

Surely Eastgate will begin before Arena Central.. is there any exsisting structure or building on the AC site? Eastgate could start anytime now, I'd doubt AC would be able to get in there first.. possible I suppose, but I'd doubt it.

Surely Eastgate will begin before Arena Central.. is there any exsisting structure or building on the AC site? Eastgate could start anytime now, I'd doubt AC would be able to get in there first.. possible I suppose, but I'd doubt it.

The 188m Eastgate development has gone ominously quiet, it was supposed to be under construction Q1 2006 as was Albanys 133m Crown Tower. Nothing much has been said about either by the developers...which is never a good sign.

I do expect these to eventually go ahead, but for the minute it looks like Manchesters high rise boom has stalled for what ever reason....

quiet? well i heard from a very good source it should "be in the ground by december". he can take a bow for that if he wants ;)

Surely Eastgate will begin before Arena Central..
Of course. AC is still in the planning stages.

eastgate can only start when beetham has finished!

quiet? well i heard from a very good source it should "be in the ground by december". he can take a bow for that if he wants ;)

I'm presuming thats relating to Eastgate and not Albany? Tell your source they're better than ketchup :cheers:

yeah thats about eastgate.

Surely Eastgate will begin before Arena Central.. is there any exsisting structure or building on the AC site? Eastgate could start anytime now, I'd doubt AC would be able to get in there first.. possible I suppose, but I'd doubt it.

its depends on your terminology...there is no building on the AC site...(well the tower site) but there is a 2 storey ungerground carark on site....so thats a structure of sorts....

AC is proposed to start late this year, or Q1 of 2007, but i would hazard a guess to say that eastgates construction date is a lot firmer than ACs date!

eastgate can only start when beetham has finished!

Why?.

Carillion is top of the list of contenders to build a £200 million tower that will be the tallest residential building in the UK.

Developer Inacity is in the final stages of design before it appoints a contractor for the Inacity tower, to be built near Piccadilly station in Manchester. Several firms are hoping to grab the deal but Carillion is emerging as firm favourite.

A source close to the scheme said: "Carillion and Inacity have discussed the project. That may surprise some but it shouldn't. If you're building a tower in the north-west, it's Carillion you turn to."

A source at Inacity confirmed it has in mind which firm it would prefer to use for the massive project.

carillion had previously ruled itself out for workload reasons but a source at the contractor said it had reversed that decision. It is currently building towers in Liverpool and Manchester for developers Beetham.

Rivals for the Inacity deal are thought to include Bovis Lend Lease, which is building Bridgewater Tower in Leeds, Laing O'Rourke and Sir Robert McAlpine.

One said: "We're just keeping our powder dry at the moment. Although Carillion is the favourite and has discussed the project with Inacity we think there is always a reason to stay interested. At this stage the favourite could be overtaken if the developer's eyes are suitably caught."

But one source at another contractor, whichwill not be going for the deal, said:"Others may look like they're interested but I severely doubt they have any chance. You can't just jump into the market. It's very different building a series of towers down in London to building just one in Manchester."

Plans for the 188m high tower, which has been designed by architect Woods Bagot, were approved by the city council last March.

It will be accompanied by two adjoining medium-rise blocks and altogether the development will include 700 apartments, a 220-room four star international hotel and 80,000 sq ft of retail space, restaurants and bars.

There will also be regeneration in the area to create plazas and public spaces.

Not enough builders to go around :yes:

Im pretty sure Birmingham will fail to have the tallest tower outside London for along time to come. Eastgate and Arena Central/Pinnacle both have the reasonably the same construction timetables, and with Eastgate being the taller out of the 3 I cant see us getting the title for a while, although FLD said by late 2007, AC should be reaching the 100m-120m barrier, how much of that you can trust I dont know, but we should hopefully hear some more concrete stats and hopefully renders this week.

Not enough builders to go around :yes:

It is intimated that the developers are waiting for Carillion, which, unless they have a special relationship, is wrong. No developer is able to waste money like that - the banks would be baying for blood. I suspect there is another reason, but of course it looks good if a delay is masked as "in talks" etc ;)

It is interesting that Carillion are the favourites for the North West. We don't really have a prime candidate in Brum, although Laing O'Rourke have been involved in lots of large projects, and [Balfour Beatty] are just about to make their mark with the superhospital.

KITR - do you know if Beetham was delivered on time and on budget? Maybe that's why Inacity are so keen? Ta :)

Go on then Gothic spill something else. This thread doesnt deserve to be dead.

Bump.

I am sure our city cousins around the UK will be happy for us with this news.

Feltip reports (with evidence) that Birmingham International Airport has withdrawn its objections to Arena Central at 175m

The race for the sky is back on! :)

315m AOD (isnt that higher then LBT ;))

Anyway good news. Juts need a few more now. We know there are plans for another tower at Holloway Circus. I just hope its one of similar size that was first proposed 5 years ago.

315m AOD (isnt that higher then LBT ;))

Anyway good news. Juts need a few more now. We know there are plans for another tower at Holloway Circus. I just hope its one of similar size that was first proposed 5 years ago.

We could see some other towers rise aswell. MG and the Pinnacle noticebly.

Great news in last nights YEP:


City gets ready for launch of iconic scheme

They will be Leeds very own twin towers..2 gleaming glass structures that will dominate the city's skyline giving Leeds ths iconic building its has long craved.

Joint developers K W Linfoot and Scarborough Development Group will host the official launch event next Thursday.
Planning permission was given for the giant towers, one 54 storeys high, the other 32 storeys.

At 560 ft-and 6 ins, Lumiere will be the UK's tallest building outside London, and the tallest residential building in Western Europe.

Property investors, regional business professionals, local dignitaries and celebrities have been invited to the launch event which is being held at K W Linfoots Exhibition space at the Whiterhall Waterfront development.

Legendary designer Philippe Starke and property entrepreneur John Hitchcox will be presenting their design brand YOO. They will stamp their YOO trademark on all apartment interiors at Lumiere.


The chances are looking pretty good at the minute that Lumiere will overtake the Beetham tower in Manchester as the tallest scraper outside London and best of all it's in Yorkshire:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Kesaph/render.jpg

lets have it lumiere will be the biggest outside london if only for a small amount of time until eastgate manc gets going

slightly hoping there could be a long delay to eastgate manc to allow the title to reside on the best side of the pennines. IMO IMO

Not enough builders to go around :yes:
I think they better start calling in the big boys from over the pond.

Big news guys and gals. Tying in with the launch party, it has been announced (front page of Construction News) that Carillion has been chosen to go into contract to build Lumiere, beating Laing O'Rourke to the job. It is a good choice in my opinion, as they are just finishing Beetham in Manchester and so come with all the right fresh experience of building a tall Simpsons tower.

There is now a 32 week contract preparation period to sort out the contract, fix a price and sign up, which takes us to the end of April 07, and work should start almost immediately after (subject to agreeing the contract terms etc). So we may now have a count down to the start on site !

The race is officially now on!!:cheers2: :cheers2:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3178Lumiere,Tower1_pic1.jpg http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3178Lumiere,Tower1_pic2.jpg

Cant help but feel now Birminghams got its act together, it should reach the 200m barrier before any other regional city. I mean. 2, 574ft towers rising at the same time with a couple smaller 100m+ ones in a tight knit city center is something a bit Canary Wharfesque.

I could see them uping the height of Arena Central you know, 175 Meters was impressive all dem years ago, but now not so, but then it would probably add another 5 years onto the construction time, given planning permission etc...

I think our best bet for a 200m tower is around Paradise Circus. Maybe the remianing corner at Holloway Circus. AC have shot themselves in the foot really because although it will be the Tallest residential tower in Brum it wont be the tallest overall tower with the PInnacle scheduled to finish before it.

Arena central was originally going to be 240 metres (800ft) high ...... now that WOULD have been impressive, even by todays standards!

Yes, but unfortunately, Birmingham doesnt do spires.

Arena central was originally going to be 240 metres (800ft) high ...... now that WOULD have been impressive, even by todays standards!

Well the Spire was going to be that tall, but you can't call it a 240M building, that would be like Manchester forumers saying that they've got a 175 Meter tower.


Cough....

.........Looks like its going to be Leeds then, with its Lumiere twin towers with construction starting in a matter of a few months.

Unless Eastgate (188m roof height) gets a fucking move on!!

I like the idea of cities in competition, it gets things moving forwards.

Look at the Wirral Waters project for Birkenhead Docks - the waters between Wallasey and Birkenhead, which move 2 miles inland. Some big ones there:
http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk
Go to page: Wirral Waters

We could do with a 200m+ proposing in Brum because of the way the skyline is shaping up (if all the proposals come to fruition):

- we have several existing at the 80-100m mark
- 110m Martineau Galleries and 122m HCT
- 2 New St Station towers, Snow Hill Tower and Broad St Tower at 135m
- BT Tower exisitng at 155m (approx)
- Arena Central and Pinnacle at 175m (approx)

A 200m office/resi/leisure would provide a nice apex :)

To be honest, 189m tower would do for me. At least the city might have a chance of gaining the title of the tallest tower outside London. Eastgate seems to be looking for an early 2007 start.

well AC is also "meant" to be starting 07 and its taller than leeds Lumiere

But is it? enabling works will start early 2007, alot of things have to be done on site before the tower will begin to rise. Eastgate should be flying by then.

"should be"....

The title is annoying though, instead of outside London it should be tallest scraper in the UK. Eastgate/La Lumiere, PAh! Should have been Arena Central tower at a monstrous 245 metres. But all ths competition is good business for the country and I support all supertall projects in other cities other than Brum. At the same time though, I wish Birmingham had THE tallest building in the UK now

Be an interesting next quarter.

i think La Lumerie will get above Beetham hight before Eastgate the site at Leeds is almost ready eastgates is untouched the old viaduct needs to be moved and the site cleared looks like the title will go to Leeds, for a while anyway.

A better image of Lumiere courtesy of Skyscraper News

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3178LumiereTower1_pic2.jpg

Manchester and always

I support all supertall projects in other cities other than Brum.

You know something we don't??? :dunno:

i like your quote skid-mark that chaps a legend

Still nothing started yet on the Eastgate site in Manchester.

What's going on at the Lumiere site in Leeds?

Gothicform - any news?

What's going on at the Lumiere site in Leeds?


I didn't think think anything was going to start on site till april, someone please prove me wrong. They do have boards up now all around the site with the renderings on.

Ah well in that case Leeds is one step ahead of Manchester - the Eastgate site is still a car park with no signs of activity!

A better image of Lumiere courtesy of Skyscraper News

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/3178LumiereTower1_pic2.jpg

Really getting sick of that cladding now.

^^ i agree, it looks poor

Latest news from the Scarborough Developments site:


Type: Mixed Use Offices, Hotel, Retail
JV Partner: Uberior Investments plc
Size: 90,000 sq ft
Status: On Site
Value: £120 million

Looks like we are moving forward to the official construction start in a few weeks.

This came up today Manchester planner seen as we're talking bout construction starts.

Really getting sick of that cladding now.

i agree, it looks poor

Don't knock it until its up, maybe your getting sick of it because you keep looking at it in admiration :) , im sure if it were in your city you'd love it. I hardly think it looks poor either.

If you scroll down on this thread to the model of the building it shows the cladding to be quite funky in my opinion.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=400013

I've just seen the night time renders of this on on the yoo website. It is looking very pretty indeed. Check it out; http://www.yooarehere.com/

New renders posted on Leeds forum of Lumiere by JoeyB

Really getting sick of that cladding now.

Churlish, moi?

The tower to the right will actually be a reddish colour, while the left hand tower will be silver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/0007.jpg

They look superb.

Beware the night-time render...

Arr, yes Orion :lol:

Race against Time. 2012 - Birmingham

Churlish, moi?

The tower to the right will actually be a reddish colour, while the left hand tower will be silver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/0007.jpg

That is absolutely BEAUTIFUL

Well, funny as it may be, Birmingham is out of the race for a while now. Moneys on Manchester to runaway with this unless Peel produce some mega structures at Wirral Waters.

Is Lumiere a redesign Criterion place? Or are they both going up? Which would be far too exciting!

Is Lumiere a redesign Criterion place? Or are they both going up? Which would be far too exciting!

No Lumiere and Criterion Place are seperate projects, Criterion is more south east side of the city centre. Its gone a bit quiet on the Criterion place development and we've now heard that Lumiere will commence in June. :)

No Lumiere and Criterion Place are seperate projects, Criterion is more south east side of the city centre. Its gone a bit quiet on the Criterion place development and we've now heard that Lumiere will commence in June. :)

good i hope both projects happen in leeds i love my drive to newcastle from the midlands up the m1 and seeing leeds bridgewater place likes immense from the motorway i still havent been to leeds yet though!

good i hope both projects happen in leeds i love my drive to newcastle from the midlands up the m1 and seeing leeds bridgewater place likes immense from the motorway i still havent been to leeds yet though!

Yeh i love seeing Leeds from the M1 you get the best views of the skyline and Bridgewater looks dominant (not for long though :banana: :lol: ). Having said that i think Leeds is better from ground level it has some great streetscapes, you should take a look :)

The obvious answer would be Leeds and Manchester neck and neck. Manchester (as far as I have heard) has now got two colossal proposals in the longer term pipeline - one 72 storey (230m) tower and another 80 storey (250m+) monolith). Other cities that are waiting in the wings are (possibly) Edinburgh, Brighton and even Liverpool. Birmingham has shot itself in the foot now permanently thanks to that fuckwit Eric Kuhne and doesn't have a gnat in hell's chance of actually authorising construction of a tower any taller than 160 metres at this rate. If anybody thinks this latter city is going to have anything taller than V[ertically challenged] Tower in the next 20 years then they're obviously living in cloud cuckooland.....because it won't. And that is the stark truth.

Bollocks Martin.

I like you but you can be absolutely impossible. You blame an architect when it is a financial decision, you believe rumours and whispers and say "Brum has nothing" just because you don't hear anything (Mcr's top brass aren't very good at keeping secrets, whereas in Brum frustratingly we don't hear anything then a scheme suddenly appears a la Snowhill), and you conveniently FORGET that Brum has now proposed 3 towers over the height limit, one already has PP, one is in for PP and the other has outline PP and is going in reserved matters in a couple of weeks.

AND, step by step, they are all getting taller :yes:

Well Manchester has Eastgate and Leeds has Lumier. Looks like Manchester will win, however, Leeds has quality and hight, I'd like to see that in manchester too!

The obvious answer would be Leeds and Manchester neck and neck. Manchester (as far as I have heard) has now got two colossal proposals in the longer term pipeline - one 72 storey (230m) tower and another 80 storey (250m+) monolith). Other cities that are waiting in the wings are (possibly) Edinburgh, Brighton and even Liverpool. Birmingham has shot itself in the foot now permanently thanks to that fuckwit Eric Kuhne and doesn't have a gnat in hell's chance of actually authorising construction of a tower any taller than 160 metres at this rate. If anybody thinks this latter city is going to have anything taller than V[ertically challenged] Tower in the next 20 years then they're obviously living in cloud cuckooland.....because it won't. And that is the stark truth.


Im all against the V Tower, as a building should start from its base and V's just is'nt good enough. But Id give Brum a chance. This is just the beggining, If you want an dense highrise skyline for the UK, Birminghams going to blow most out the water. Towers are going to start popping up all the time. I cant see us out doing Manchester if those rumours are true. But im pretty sure a taller tower then V or the Pinnacle is just around the corner. Lets keep our heads. Manchester and Liverpool could end up getting in each others way.

The tallest proposed tower I know of outside London isn't in Leeds or Manchester...

well its between eastgate and that lumiere thingy... jus about who gets there ass in gear 1st. theyr not really doing anything with Eastgate at the moment. still sorting out the finances, trying to secure some hefty tennants

The tallest proposed tower I know of outside London isn't in Leeds or Manchester...

Well, since Liverpool Waters was proposed, then it'd be Liverpool surely?!

The tallest proposed tower I know of outside London isn't in Leeds or Manchester...

same here!

Well, since Liverpool Waters was proposed, then it'd be Liverpool surely?!

I wont be in Liverpool,the highest tower in LW was 50 stories.

I say and hope it will be in Birmingham!

Manchesters always been home to englands tallest building outside London, it is now, and always will be!

Fuckin' hell Earlybird part 2.:crazy:

Manchesters always been home to englands tallest building outside London, it is now, and always will be!

........then how come Lumiere, the UK's tallest building outside London starts construction in a few weeks and is in.................LEEDS!!

Manchesters always been home to englands tallest building outside London, it is now, and always will be!

Is it worth repeating the old CIS Concreate lift shaft/Birmingham's concreate BT Tower anaolgy?

nope, I don't think it is.

I think it is. And Blackpool is also in the running ;)

coventry would have be home to the world's largest structure if plans went ahead for the "4th Spire"-but obviously, the plans were terminated, replaced with a smaller disign and eventually the plans fell through-so coventry-like

Noooooo! Glasgow East One appears to have shrunk in these Renders
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/43/e1hs8.jpg

thats typical mr b same keeps happening in birmingham! i think they make buildings high because after they have gone through the planning process they know they will be reduced if you know what i mean!

Its what they do. Aim for a 180m tower, they reduce it by 30m - its the height you were realistically aiming for. Win win situation.

Are these the (unconfirmed) stats for the heights of the tallest inhabitable towers in each respective UK city that could be built by 2015?

London: 313 metres
Manchester: 225 metres
Leeds: 183 metres
Croydon: 180 metres
Liverpool: 176 metres
Glasgow: 175 metres
Brighton: 154 metres
Birmingham: 152 metres
Bristol: 145 metres
Sheffield: 141 metres
Newcastle upon Tyne: 138 metres
Leicester: 137 metres

Are these the (unconfirmed) stats for the heights of the tallest inhabitable towers in each respective UK city that could be built by 2017?

London: 313 metres
Manchester: 225 metres
Leeds: 183 metres
Croydon: 180 metres
Liverpool: 176 metres
Glasgow: 175 metres
Brighton: 154 metres
Birmingham: 152 metres
Bristol: 145 metres
Sheffield: 141 metres
Newcastle upon Tyne: 138 metres
Leicester: 137 metres

im lost of where you got those from!

Unconfirmed sources, as they say..... in a similar way to how unconfirmed sources back in 2002 predicted that Manchester would get Beetham Hilton and Eastgate Inacity. :)

Well im glad you can confirm that, ill not confirm these...

Are these the (unconfirmed) stats for the heights of the tallest inhabitable towers in each respective UK city that could be built by 2015?

London: 313 metres - possible
Manchester: 225 metres - unlikely to come to fruition but possible
Leeds: 183 metres - less likely than above
Croydon: 180 metres - unknown
Liverpool: 176 metres - not likely
Glasgow: 175 metres - not likely
Brighton: 154 metres - possible
Birmingham: 152 metres - my sources say a lot more then that, the broken record is getting old esp considering we already have a proposal the beats thats
Bristol: 145 metres - near impossibl to break the 100m mark
Sheffield: 141 metres - possible
Newcastle upon Tyne: 138 metres - impossible to break the 100m mark
Leicester: 137 metres - not a clue on thins one!

Quote:
London: 313 metres - possible
Manchester: 225 metres - unlikely to come to fruition but possible
Leeds: 183 metres - less likely than above
Croydon: 180 metres - unknown
Liverpool: 176 metres - not likely
Glasgow: 175 metres - not likely
Brighton: 154 metres - possible
Birmingham: 152 metres - my sources say a lot more then that, the broken record is getting old esp considering we already have a proposal the beats thats
Bristol: 145 metres - near impossibl to break the 100m mark
Sheffield: 141 metres - possible
Newcastle upon Tyne: 138 metres - impossible to break the 100m mark
Leicester: 137 metres - not a clue on thins one!


Woody, the bits in bold make absolutely no sense to me syntactically speaking - can you try and re-write them so that they do? ;)

im dissappointed MG, u know me well enough to know that being critical of my typing is old hat!

But that is no excuse Woody - criticism being old hat or not, the phrases seriously don't make sense and I don't know exactly what you are trying to say - especially the point in Birmingham's case. It is so ambiguous it could mean anything:

e.g.

"Broken record" - what do you mean? The breaking of records in Birmingham's case?

"proposal the beats thats" - whaaaaat? :yes:

no, your broken record of how apparently poor birmingham is. you state the new V tower height as the height of the tallest building in brum in 2017, when you know full well there is a very active proposal for a 175m tower.

and in terms of other things bolded, when i say that its impossible to pass the 100m, it is in that city. you think BCC is a conservative city (when there is no proof of such a thing) then u obviously dont appreciate for conservative bristol and newcastle are!

But Woody, my point is this: the 175m metre tower for which there is currently an "active proposal" is the Vertical Theme Park - NOT a residential / hotel (or even ofice) tower. I KNOW that Birmingham is pushing ahead with this one, but to me that does not count. In the same way that the BT Tower never counted as Brum's tallest building in the respect that it is a liveable, habitable working building (that's Alpha Tower of course). It might have been the tallest structure..... which is what VTP will be. But this doesn't fall into the same definition as a building in which people can live or work.

The thing I said about 2017 is that I doubt there will ever be a [residential / hotel / mixed use] tower scheme more than 170 metres being proposed for Birmingham in this timescale having now seen the chance for one pissed away with the shockingly unsatisfactory V Tower.....

but as you can see from my post, its not the fact that you dont think birmingham will get over 170m in the time until 2017, and thats fine... in fairness im not overly fussed about just height as u know...

however, its ur very conservative estimation for birmingham, but stupidly liberal and in some respects niave (especially as i know you have lived in newcastle) estimation for other cities to try and further discredit birmingham... and dont deny it.

Bristol and newcastle for example will NEVER break the 100m barrier... or the 80m barrier if that!

similarly, liverpool city council will never approve a 176m tower... with their heritage status and conservative view on towers!

Birmingham is not as conservative as you think, espw ith towers. Birmingham is one of the only councils in the country to have NEVER regected a high-rise building for example. birmingham is not to blame for its skyline, its the lack of commitment from developers who just wana make a quick buck, something that in birmingham due to the CAA is not as easy as it would be in the lkes of manchester!

well martin, in all fairness what woody has mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg. i know there's around 20 towers in the pipeline for brum. sorry i cant tell you anymore, its a secret and id have to kill you.

Can anyone do me a favour and tell me which buildings have been built or are being built in which cities since, say 1997, that are over say 80m?

I don't want proposals, even if they are "guaranteed", just facts, for a change.

Ta

i got those stats for all buildings over ao floors/36m if ur interested!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table3.jpg

So what sort of conclusions would you like us to draw from those diagrams Woody? I would think it's pretty obvious where the so-called second city of the UK stands now in comparison with a couple of the others.

i wasnt recomending anyone draws any conclusions, just someone asked for them and i happened to be able to provide them...as is the case with any statitic, you can find any you want to back a claim!

...and plus that is for building over 10 storeys... you know, the stuff in your world arent worth a thought....because they are not 60 storey/200m tall! ;)

Looks like it's gonna be Leeds guys!

yup

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=476813

yup

yup!

Nope!

Whens the time period for this? As far as im concerned, Eastgate will be the tallest tower outside London for many years to come once (if) it begins!

Nope!

Whens the time period for this? As far as im concerned, Eastgate will be the tallest tower outside London for many years to come once (if) it begins!

But Eastgate is no where near starting, and Lumiere in Leeds has begun construction.

So until a taller skyscraper begins construction, then Lumiere will be the tallest skyscraper outside London.

The obvious answer would be Leeds and Manchester neck and neck. Manchester (as far as I have heard) has now got two colossal proposals in the longer term pipeline - one 72 storey (230m) tower and another 80 storey (250m+) monolith).


May have missed something here, but is there any news on what these exciting sounding new mega-structures in Manchester might be?? :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table3.jpg

Woody, what do the asterisks next to "Manchester" mean?

May have missed something here, but is there any news on what these exciting sounding new mega-structures in Manchester might be?? :-)
Well I've heard a lot about a possible 230m tower on a site opposite the CIS building, but whether this is the one MartinG refers to I do not know. The 250m+ I do not know about, but then I'm not in the industry.

Thanks Irwell. If you or anyone else finds out more about the two new Manchester supertalls (supertall 4 Manc but diddly for the rest of the world of course) would love to see some details/linx/renderings etc :-)

Come to think of it I wonder why there are no active plans for a real "supertall" in Manc or anywhere else for that matter - imagine the effect of a 500m tower in Deansgate!

:-)

what pie in the sky talk that is mate the talk of 2 biggies in mancs are just that at the moment talk no evidence, and with the largest proposal at the moment having gone very quite looking like eastgate may have hit a stumbling block or 2 so dont get ahead of your self, and with linfoots next project in leeds been talked about been over 200m i would not get so cocky

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

Crivens, if you ever wanted an example of the recession of the early 70...!

It can't be Eastgate because Lumiere has started, and Eastgate is a little taller than Lumiere. In other words, if they both started at the same time, Lumiere would still win because its not as tall. I suppose work rates can vary though but with the headstart of Lumiere as well..

Well, maybe its Liverpools turn for the crown now :banana: - let the North battle it out, Brums struggling at the moment.

Woody, what do the asterisks next to "Manchester" mean?


I think he's away for a while. Id take a a guess at -"including salford and trafford" or something similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table3.jpg

Is Glasgow not a Core UK city then?

I'm sure Glasgow has a hell of a lot of buildings more than 10 storeys, in fact almost all of the city centre is round about that height or more.

Well, there are some rumours on the Brum forums that the Vertical Theme Park may be 200m high when it goes to planning. This is only based on one report but needless to say we are trying to find out more :)

Woody, what do the asterisks next to "Manchester" mean?

they are indicating that that only includes building within the Manchester city council boundary and are therefore not totally representative..... however, that only counts for the last two graphs!

Is Glasgow not a Core UK city then?

I'm sure Glasgow has a hell of a lot of buildings more than 10 storeys, in fact almost all of the city centre is round about that height or more.

for some reason, the UK core cities are only english cities, they may want to change their names sometime soon to english core cities lol

Reading through this thread for the first time, it is clear that the UK is in the second significant period of high rise building.
The first seems to represent the post war slum clearences of the 1960s ( 1960 was only 15 years after the end of WWII )
The second the turn of the millenneum in 2001

I especially like this picture which the pink zones represent the exciting interesting times.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

Here's hoping that the current period of construction doesn't signify a boom time before a resession like the 1970s, and goes on a little longer than the approximate 12 years last time.
On this measure we are on year 6, about half way.

Well, there are some rumours on the Brum forums that the Vertical Theme Park may be 200m high when it goes to planning. This is only based on one report but needless to say we are trying to find out more :)

Two things though:

1. I'm not sure that will count as a skyscraper.
2. Liverpool now has a confirmed 200m-ish building, that we should get renders of in about 7 weeks now.

What do you classify Seattles space needle as? CN tower? Stratosphere? Like these V.T.P will be located in Birmingham city center have numerous floors and have a useage.

Well, VTP might NOT be an apartment block or an office tower, but it WILL scrape the sky and will be the tallest thing in our skyline, whether it be 175m or 200m :)

What do you classify Seattles space needle as? CN tower? Stratosphere? Like these V.T.P will be located in Birmingham city center have numerous floors and have a useage.

I do not count any of those as a skyscraper actually. I count skyscrapers as buildings, not 'towers'.

If they have useable floors, serve a purpose and are bulky enough to have an visual impact on the skyline they can be classified as a scraper and considering it is due to be the tallest building in the city I think its safe to say we can include it after all people will be located higher on this tower then anywhere else in Birmingham.

And what is your difference between a building and a tower? You still have to build a tower. V.T.P wont be a free standing structure it will also house hotels, leisure facilties, 6 screen cinema, retail, viewing platform, skyline restaurant and numerous rides. More then just a tower. If it was a big chimney then maybe but your reasoning seems a bit daft to be fair.

And what is your difference between a building and a tower? You still have to build a tower. V.T.P wont be a free standing structure it will also house hotels, leisure facilties, 6 screen cinema, retail, viewing platform, skyline restaurant and numerous rides. More then just a tower. If it was a big chimney then maybe but your reasoning seems a bit daft to be fair.

If it has a hotel, then yes I suppose it is a skyscraper.

However, a skyscraper and a tower (such as the CN Tower, or the new Guangzhou TV tower )are usually classed different things, no matter if they are the tallest structures in the city. That is why Taipei 101 is classed as the tallest skyscraper and not CN Tower.

It would be interesting to see demolitions factored into this. I would imagine significant declines in the UK through the 80's and 90's, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if high rise demolition still outpaced construction.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/woodhousen/table2.jpg

for some reason, the UK core cities are only english cities, they may want to change their names sometime soon to english core cities lol

I believe that Glasgow is the third largest UK city, core city is anything in the Top 10 in my opinion.

Or regional centres :)

or monkey prisons?

Wrong thread? :dunno:

I'm not into the whole "my city's better than your city" stuff so please don't take this as anything other than a regurgitation of something I have seen stated from a reliable source but...

I have this marketing dvd from GHA about the demolition of the Mitchellhill flats (bear with me everyone not from Glasgow) and it's stated on it that Glasgow has over 50% of 20+ storey buildings in the UK.

:dunno:

I have this marketing dvd from GHA about the demolition of the Mitchellhill flats (bear with me everyone not from Glasgow) and it's stated on it that Glasgow has over 50% of 20+ storey buildings in the UK.

:dunno:

Probably does if you exclude London. There are about 130 20+ storey towers in Glasgow.

Problem is the majority were built with minimal floor heights like most were in Brum. They only reach 50 ish meters. Think Birmingham has deconstructed the most in the UK outside London.

Well, VTP might NOT be an apartment block or an office tower, but it WILL scrape the sky and will be the tallest thing in our skyline, whether it be 175m or 200m :)


Some people say we could expect higher with the final design, between 200m to 250m. But I want 300m will do for me:)

I think Hull will have the highest building in the world. They are going to surprise us all! Mark my words!:)

I think Hull will have the highest building in the world. They are going to surprise us all! Mark my words!:)


Nah. i wouldn't worry about that Martin.

Hull doesn't really 'do' high buildings for a few reasons. Firstly, there is still a fair amount of the original medieval old town left (a lot more than certain other ancient UK cities). Secondly, the flat topography and wide estuary means that the sky is MASSIVE.

There are still Billions of pounds worth of investment being poured into the city centre to keep things interesting though.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4373/oldtowndt4.jpg

Sorry if this is going over old ground but the thread title dosen't make sense;when are we talking about? It states 'will be' in future tense, but there already is a city outside London with the tallest scraper. And there always has and always will be. Sorry to be petulant, but I don't see how I can answer this properly. Maybe if a date was set, for example tallest outside London in 2015?

I think the question is...

Which city will have the next tallest building outside London and what will that building be?

CIS - Manchester
HCT - Birmingham
Hilton - Manchester

Lumiere - Leeds
Eastgate - Manchester
Shanghai - Liverpool

Notice the pattern?

Oh, OK. Well I'll say Manchester then.

Birmingham will find out how high VTP will be on the 15th september, Im going and cant wait. People now reckon it will be 200m, but I want it to be 250m. This is the tower I am most looking foward to seeing, in Birmingham.

www.vtp200.co.uk

Website under construction, but the name says it all :)

In the long term, I think Birmingham could do it!!! However, given the progress of the main proposals in contention i would say Leeds and Lumiere will be the next to hold the title, but not for a very long time - probably less than a year!!!

Yep so it will be out of Birmingham or Liverpool.

God I actually really do love Brum council. :banana:

Yep so it will be out of Birmingham or Liverpool.
dont be so sure! :)

Here she is. VerTiPlex 200

http://inthemac.com/simon/images/vtp200.png

www.vtp200.co.uk

Well, so far we know this much:

Lumiere, Leeds (171m) - Confirmed start Nov 2007
Piccadilly Tower, Manchester (188m) - Confirmed start Jan 2008

Dagnammit, it's gonna be close!

Leeds may hold the title as long as HCT in Brum! Hehe! However, Lumiere's constuction may be staggered across the 2 towers, where as Piccadilly has 1 main tower, so you never know, Leeds may not become home to the tallest 'scraper outside London just yet!

But watch out for those sneeky Brummies with their 200m V.ery T.all P.roposal and our Scouse cousins who probably have something up their sleeve (not stolen of course!) ;)