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Remember that only two stadia in World Cup are allowed to have an athletics track.

Should be nice

ready for 2007?

Remember that only two stadia in World Cup are allowed to have an athletics track.

According to whom?!

According to whom?!
never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

Why is this called an Olympic stadium? IMO only those that host or bid for the games should be allowed to use the word olympic.

never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!
i dont its as much providing an all purpose football venue without a legacy...stade de france is a good example of having the best of both..south africa except for one stadium will provide the qualities of football venues..add newlands rugby ground in cape town as an additional stadium and u have 10 football stadia...but england of course have a major advantage when it comes to football stadia..

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!
Yes, you are correct. The one stadium in England fit for hosting a World Cup match does not have a track.

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Yes, you are correct. The one stadium in England fit for hosting a World Cup match does not have a track.

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hmmm, yes, one stadium, you really don't have anything to do other than get pissed and have fights with Celtic fans do you, poor poor Bubomb, or just Bubomb is poor

never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

Thinking back, from memory:

2006 - two (Berlin and Stuttgart)
2002 - seven (Busan, Incheon, Niigata, Osaka, Sendai, Shizuoka, Yokohama)
1998 - none
1994 - one (Stanford)
1990 - nine (Bari, Bologna, Cagliari, Naples, Palermo, Rome, Turin, Udine, Verona)

hmmm, yes, one stadium, you really don't have anything to do other than get pissed and have fights with Celtic fans do you, poor poor Bubomb, or just Bubomb is poor
I wouldn't know, for I am not him and he is not me. He'll be back soon though, he told me only yesterday.

By the way who is this mythical celtic fan of whom you speak?

Nice looking renders :yes:

Why is this called an Olympic stadium? IMO only those that host or bid for the games should be allowed to use the word olympic.

Olympic in Brazil, is any stadium that has an athletics track

Would the athletic track even get much use? I mean, would there be many major events held there that would fill the stadium & require the track?

Would the athletic track even get much use? I mean, would there be many major events held there that would fill the stadium & require the track?
a rio olympic bid

Thinking back, from memory:

2006 - two (Berlin and Stuttgart)
2002 - seven (Busan, Incheon, Niigata, Osaka, Sendai, Shizuoka, Yokohama)
1998 - none
1994 - one (Stanford)
1990 - nine (Bari, Bologna, Cagliari, Naples, Palermo, Rome, Turin, Udine, Verona)


Germany had 3 - Berlin, Nurnberg and Stuttgart. The stadium in Berlin was superb for all the games played in it!

Italy had 8. Palmero does not have an athletics track.

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2002 had 11 - Daegu, Busan, Incheon, Gwangju, Niigata, Osaka, Shizuoka, Yokohama, Nagai, Miyagi, Otta.

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impressive looking stadium

are there any bigger renders?

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For they olympics, it would need to be expanded considerably.

For they olympics, it would need to be expanded considerably.
yes it would are there any larger renders?

I see now what it will be used for, the Pan american games. Nice stadium by the way. ;)

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I remember seeing a "football specific" mode for this stadium in renders. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Botafogo plays there, right?

Botafogo plays there, right?

yes... and the stadium is also in the Rio 2016 Olympic Bid Project...

I remember seeing a "football specific" mode for this stadium in renders. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

The stadium has been made for track and field competitions, I doubt it would became a football specific definitively.
However, a project for temporary seats over the track was made in order to host WC2014

watch it:
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Ah, cool.

Thank you.

wow
so cap. would be 80,000!!!!

BTW great music. Does somebody know it? :)

BTW great music. Does somebody know it? :)

Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 :)

Club: Botafogo F.R
City: Rio
Inauguration: 2007
Expansion planned: 60,000 people


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Amazing photos

yes... and the stadium is also in the Rio 2016 Olympic Bid Project...

Will 60000 be enough for the Olympics?

It's to serve as the athletics stadium, the Maracana would be the "main stadium".

I said it many times before and I will say it again: 60,000 would be good enough for the Athletics and Ceremonies of the Olympic Games, so we cannot have two main stadiums for an Olympics.

It's to serve as the athletics stadium, the Maracana would be the "main stadium".

Yes.
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The most stadium of Brazil

Curiously, the top Brazilian clubs haven't got their own stadiums, and in the few cases that they do, their home grounds tend to be pitiful. No matter what city, the biggest teams play in municipal venues.

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

Curiously, the top Brazilian clubs haven't got their own stadiums, and in the few cases that they do, their home grounds tend to be pitiful. No matter what city, the biggest teams play in municipal venues.

This is not true. What "top brazilian clubs" are you talking about?

This is not true. What "top brazilian clubs" are you talking about?

In Rio: Botafogo, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense. Vasco almost never plays at Sao Januario and Flu never plays at Laranjeiras (too small). In Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, S.P.F.C. and Corinthians play at either Pacaembu or Morumbi.
Are these clubs "top" enough for you?

^^ Still not true.
Flamengo is the only one from Rio that doesn't have a stadium. Vasco always plays in São Januário and Botafogo always plays at Engenhão. In São Paulo, Palmeiras always plays at Palestra Itália and Santos at Vila Belmiro. It's all a matter of schedule.

^^ Still not true.
Flamengo is the only one from Rio that doesn't have a stadium. Vasco always plays in São Januário and Botafogo always plays at Engenhão. In São Paulo, Palmeiras always plays at Palestra Itália and Santos at Vila Belmiro. It's all a matter of schedule.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

Gremio's stadium is called Estádio Olímpico Monumental. Commomnly called as Olimpico (only).
This is Estádio Olímpico João Havelange. AKA Engenhão.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Villa Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Sorry salaverryo, but you're wrong. Vasco and Palmeiras use mostly their's stadiums during the year. Palmeiras does not uses the Morumbi. Neither for major games. Vasco only uses Maracanã when an "classic" match happens (vs. Flamengo or Fluminense or Botafogo).
And come on, Santos IS a top club nowadays. Only in the 2000's, it has won 2 Leagues, was runner up in Libertadores 2003 and 3rd place in 2007. And finished top 4 in the league (classified to Libertadores in the next year) in 2002, 03, 04, 06, 07.
And Vila Belmiro is used by Santos the same way Palestra Itália is used by Palmeiras.
At last, Morumbi is property of Sao Paulo Futebol Clube. It's not a public stadium. And Engenhão was contructed by Rio's government, but the tenant is the club.So, it will belong, for 30 years, to Botafogo. And the club will arch with all of the maintenance costs.

But in my state, both major clubs: Cruzeiro and Atlético, use the public stadium Mineirão.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Where are you from? I see you're not very acquainted with brazilian football.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Wrong... Let me explain you.

Between 1950 and 1970 Brazil went on a "state-driven economic boom", and many large stadiums were built by the government (Mineirao 70k, Maracana 90k, Fonte Nova 60k and many other less important).

Before that, every club had it small stadium (including Rio and Minas Gerais clubs)... As it was expected, the "brand new public stadium" made the clubs stop investing on their arenas.

Cities like Porto Alegre, Recife and Florianopolis never had this public investment, and the local clubs have larger, private stadiums (such as Gremio's 'Olimpico' and Inter 'Beira-Rio'). They are still in use.

The case of Santos is very specific... It's not a big city, not a capital (Santos FC is the only non-state capital club that reached national league titles). Vila Belmiro Stadium (20k) is good enough foi the club... When they need, they can play in Sao Paulo city big stadiums (Pacaembu & Morumbi), wich are only 50 km far.... And it's not a small club... Major Titles: 2 Wolrd/ 2 Continental/ 8 national /17 regional.

Palmeiras and Vasco plays at least 90% of their home games in their own stadiums (Palestra Italia and Sao Januario)... In the 90's, both won Libertadores Cup playing home.

Engenhão (this thread subject) is a fantastic stadium, but the neighborhood needs more investment on transport and parking, if govmn't really pretends to host Olympics 2016 there.

Local streets are VERY narrow... Big games = big traffc jam.

Rio's Train system (Supervia) is very unreliable.

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

Yes, will bethe stadium for athletic.

^^ During Olympics it will have 60000 capacity? It's not enough I think...it should be 70000 at least.

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

The João Havelange is for athletics and the Olympic Stadium will be the memorable Maracanã.:)

In Rio: Botafogo, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense. Vasco almost never plays at Sao Januario and Flu never plays at Laranjeiras (too small). In Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, S.P.F.C. and Corinthians play at either Pacaembu or Morumbi.
Are these clubs "top" enough for you?


In Brazil, most of the big clubs but has own stadium.
Example

São Paulo FC- Morumbi
Palmeiras- Palestra Italia
Santos-Vila Belmiro
Corinthians-the only one of Sao Paulo that has a very large stage.

Vasco-São Januário
Botafogo-rented the Engenhão
Fluminense and Flamengo-they dont have stadium, playing in the Maracana.


Cruzeiro and Atletico Mineiro- dont have stadium , playing in Mineirão.

Internacional-Beira-Rio
Gremio-Olímpico Monumental, not João Havelange Olympic Stadium

So which one will be the main venue? Where will be closing and opening ceremony? On Maracanã? It would be great if so, becouse Maracanã is a temple of sport:banana:

So which one will be the main venue? Where will be closing and opening ceremony? On Maracanã? It would be great if so, becouse Maracanã is a temple of sport:banana:

Yes, the opening ceremony and closing will be in Maracanã

But which stadium will be considered the 'Olympic Stadium?' Will they both share the Olympic torch?

The disputed main stadium issue may eventually be resolved by having the Joao Stadium as the undisputed main Olympic Stadium, holding the opening and closing ceremonies and the Athletics. And even though Rio won the Olympics, I am STILL opposed to the holding of the ceremonies in Maracana. No Games Rio has been dissolved and is now retooled and renamed as No Ceremonies Maracana. Other than that, there still need to be several other tweakages to the Rio 2016 Master Plan.

How would you like it if the Ceremonies for a Summer Olympics were held at an indoor arena instead of an outdoor stadium like they did in Belgrade for the Universiade?

I swear to God, the Organising committee are gong to reduce the Olympic Games to a second-tier sporting event.

But which stadium will be considered the 'Olympic Stadium?' Will they both share the Olympic torch?

No, only in Maracana, because Joao Havelange Olympic was considered Olympic only for the 2007 Pan.

wait... this one will have the athletics but not the ceremonies? So the stadium with the ceremonies will only have the ceremonies?

In official page of Brazil 2016 is clearly written that this stadium will host athletic venues! But it's far too small.

^^ It will certainly be expanded. When built, plans for expansion were to increase the capacity to 60.000 by completing the 2nd tier behing the goals.
I don't know what 2016 comitee plans for Engenhão, but they may follow this project.

Can the stadium ends be built with a second tier? And if so, what will the capacity be? Looks like something between 70-80k and since the English olympic stadium is 80k, And Greece's stadium is 71k, that seems plenty.

^^ Look at the post above. Just 60000...I hope it will be more than that.

wait... this one will have the athletics but not the ceremonies? So the stadium with the ceremonies will only have the ceremonies?

Ceremonies and Football.

According to the bid book, the current capacity is 45,000 and it will be expanded to 60,000 for the Olympics. It will be comparatively small when put alongside other Olympic stadiums, but it's the atmosphere which counts

http://www.rio2016.org.br/sumarioexecutivo/sumario/English/Per%20Theme/Volume%202/Theme_09.pdf (pdf)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Est%C3%A1dio_Ol%C3%ADmpico_Jo%C3%A3o_Havelange

I have to say, I'm yet to be convinced of the two stadiums plan. I'd much rather the ceremonies and the cauldron were here, rather than at the football venue.

But all that can be sorted out in due course, congrats to Rio once again. :)

Another alternative would be the construction of a temporary stadium in the Barra cluster, but only as a last case resort!

I wonder it there's the possibility of increasing even more the final capacity (60,000 predicted), maybe lowering the field?? :dunno:

Ahh, GuiBR, please watch your comments! You're delivering misinformation to international observes here. The current proposal is for JH to be the Olympic Stadium (therefore, athletics venue) and the Maracana to recieve soccer/openning and colsing ceremonies. :)

I have a feeling that this stadium discussion will turn even more nasty than the London's one....

It oughtn't. It's not like they've got to design and build a whole new stadium. It's more a question of logistics (getting the greatest number of people in the ceremonies) vs traditions (having the cauldron and cermonies at the athletics stadium).

^^
I found this text in Globo Rio Newspaper
Na área compreendida pelo Maracanã acontecerão as competições de vôlei (Maracanãzinho), tiro com arco e maratona (Sambódromo), futebol e cerimônias de abertura e encerramento (Maracanã) e atletismo (Engenhão).

Translation:

In the area covered by the Maracanã volleyball competitions (Maracanãzinho Arena), archery and marathon (Sambódromo "Samba Concert Hall"), football and the opening and closing (Maracanã Stadium) and athletics (Engenhão Olympic Satium).

So the opening and close ceremony will be in Maracana around 80k, Engenhao Olympic stadium was the Pan American Stadium 2007 but this time will be used to Athletics

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RobH, what an absolutely gorgeous avatr you have on, it looks stunning! :happy:

Thanks. It only took a few minutes to make, but it came out better than I expected.

IMO if they use this stadium as the main olympic one, it will be one of the dullest I've ever seen.

There's no if about it, it is the Olympic stadium for everything apart from the ceremonies.

I hope they at least jazz it up a little bit, maybe some facade renewall, something with a lot of glass, steel and excentricity...

Anyway, in contingecy case for Maraca, ans since noone's answered my question, i'll repeat it: is there the chance to increase even further the stadium capacity?? Maybe lowering the filed and expanding the lower stands? How much seats could be added? I know there was a plan in case Maracanã didn't meet the FIFA requirements for the WC to lower the field and get rid of the athletics track (temporarily) getting up to 85.000 capacity. Could that still be made with the presence of the track?

Also, the more I think about it, the more makes no sense whatsoever this whole "athletics stadium torch" thing. I know there's history behinf it, but we have to remember the tradition was born in a time the vast majority of sports practiced in the OG were athletics! Now we have aquatic centers, arenas and bowls at the dozens... it's kinda demeriting to reserve the torch only in a venue, isn't it?? In this case, a special venue dedicated solely to that purpose would seem more neutral and appropriated.

^^No, its a matter of branding and legacy. When you say Olympics of the x city, you have to associate with some venue. As a matter of fact you could very well have 50 mini athletic stadia for each different athletic sport. And organize the ceremony across the city on the streets. So what?

^^No, its a matter of branding and legacy. When you say Olympics of the x city, you have to associate with some venue. As a matter of fact you could very well have 50 mini athletic stadia for each different athletic sport. And organize the ceremony across the city on the streets. So what?

So, there's no real attachment to the athletics venue whatsoever? Maracanã (which will host soccer) could be the "reference venue"?

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

The Olímpico is the name of Gremio stadium and has nothing to do with the Olympic stadium for the Olympic Games.

:)

So, there's no real attachment to the athletics venue whatsoever? Maracanã (which will host soccer) could be the "reference venue"?

Anyway my comment was sarcastic about this whole discussion in the previous page.

The point is:

The Olympic Stadium is the main venue of the games, which means the venue for the athletics. The opening ceremony was not introduced, as we know it now, for some time. I'm not 100% sure but the IOC says the Olympic flame must be visible from within this stadium. That is probably the reason why both stadiums will have the flame. Maracana cause you can't have a ceremony without flame, and the other one cause you can't have an Olympic stadium without a flame. What does all this mean? That Estádio Olímpico João Havelange is 2016 Olympic stadium, and Maracana a football venue.

^^Aha! That may be the primary reason why the Jornalista Mario Filho Stadium cannot, must not, should not, and will not serve as the main olympic stadium in Rio de Janeiro. I don't care if an expanded Havelange Stadium is too small. 60000 should be the minimum for the Olympic ceremonies. Plus I'm worried about the placement of the cauldron in the Maracana Stadium. An Olympic Stadium has to have a cauldron burning throughout the 16-day period. There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

IMO if they use this stadium as the main olympic one, it will be one of the dullest I've ever seen.

It's not going to be a dull stadium, Schmidt. Rio just has to follow protocol. Sorry.

Is this a bit too early to discuss about? Hell, there won't even be the SSC in 2016 for all I know, when the server time will end....

^^ The hell with that! The world ain't gonna end as long as there are several events, especially sports-related, to be held even beyond 2012. I don't believe in that flarging Mayan Calendar crap. Lousy Nostradamus probably proposed that idea.

What are you talking about? I said that SSC server might go down before 2016, what do Maya have to do with that?????

BTW, It is just me, but it is a bit disappointing to see the main venue ready from now. I mean, all the excitement of the construction, the preparations, wonder how it will look like, etc, etc, it won't be there.....:(

Why is the SSC server going down, anyway?

Why is the SSC server going down, anyway?

Just something that I read in "About the Forums" section. Since I can't find it now, just forget about it.

^^Aha! That may be the primary reason why the Jornalista Mario Filho Stadium cannot, must not, should not, and will not serve as the main olympic stadium in Rio de Janeiro. I don't care if an expanded Havelange Stadium is too small. 60000 should be the minimum for the Olympic ceremonies. Plus I'm worried about the placement of the cauldron in the Maracana Stadium. An Olympic Stadium has to have a cauldron burning throughout the 16-day period. There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

It's not going to be a dull stadium, Schmidt. Rio just has to follow protocol. Sorry.

You didnt have a clue about your "primary reason" until someone mentioned it as your a kid who posts with a nationalistic agenda.

Personally what I'd do in that this situation is turn it to your advanage and have the Cauldron/flame move between venues after its lit, maybe by helicopter to give some nice overhead shots of the city or though the streets on some kind of vechical. That would be an event that involved more than just those in the stadiums themselves.

In official page of Brazil 2016 is clearly written that this stadium will host athletic venues! But it's far too small.

Not really. The Olympic Stadium in Montjuic (Barcelona) had a capacity of 55 thousand.

Not really. The Olympic Stadium in Montjuic (Barcelona) had a capacity of 55 thousand.

around 70k during the Olympics

around 70k during the Olympics

That is what Wikipedia says, but there's no proof. Besides, between 55 and 70 thousand there is a 15 thousand difference. That's a lot of people. I watched those Olympics on TV and the stadium didn't seem to have any additional seats. Where did they put those 15 thousand extra spectators?

That is what Wikipedia says, but there's no proof. Besides, between 55 and 70 thousand there is a 15 thousand difference. That's a lot of people. I watched those Olympics on TV and the stadium didn't seem to have any additional seats. Where did they put those 15 thousand extra spectators?
There was no extra seating in 1992.There certainly was not 70,000 seats.I seem to remember 60,000.Way too small for an Olympic Stadium.

And yet still one of the best games ever.

There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

Yes, there was a Cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am. And it was placed in Maracanã, burning during throughout the entire period.

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But it was strange to watch Athletics without a burning flame in the background, though.

It will be comparatively small when put alongside other Olympic stadiums, but it's the atmosphere which counts

Only Barcelona's 1992 Olympic Stadium will have been smaller than the expanded Engenhao Stadium (not counting any pre-1932 Olympic Stadiums). Barcelona's was 56,000, the fact that it was expanded to 70000 for the Olympics was untrue, It never expanded in capacity and has always remained at 56000 after its reconstruction for the Olympics.

I checked the Google imagery on the Engenhao Stadium and I wondered what those old buildings to the southwest of the Enhenhao Stadium are supposed to be.

I checked the Google imagery on the Engenhao Stadium and I wondered what those old buildings to the southwest of the Enhenhao Stadium are supposed to be.

I think it was some kind of garage for trains in the past. They plan to refurbish these buildings, but no special use was indicated yet.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4714721691_885b3c23e5_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kizaosilva/4714721691/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4478213425_4fe23505db_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/diegotovar/4478213425/

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4738218237_2e5316bf26_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46393474@N05/4738218237/

Here is my Olympic expansion idea
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/5023306826_370b966165.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ugly
the attendance in 2016 is 60000

It needs a new exterior facade.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ugly
the attendance in 2016 is 60000

jeez. it was just a quick drawing to boost Olympic capacity.you have hurt my feelings.:ohno:

jeez. it was just a quick drawing to boost Olympic capacity.you have hurt my feelings.:ohno:
sorry

Wouldnt the Olympic Capacity be 80k?

Wouldnt the Olympic Capacity be 80k?

No. It will be 60k.

The stadium could be 80K if they lowered the pitch and removed the track.

This site really needs a massive transformation for the Olympic Games. Are there any plans?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2480/3696627914_63907387cc_b.jpgLicense http://l.yimg.com/g/images/icon_all_rights.png All rights reserved by Adam Carvalho (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sickilla/)

^^ looks like a scene from Armageddon

Looks good in that photo.

Stadium, indoor sports and physical exercise on the building. By using properties can be divided into the gym class b and practice hall two, Sports can be divided according to BingQiuGuan mofei "s shopping mall, etc; TianJingGuan, According to the body size can be divided into large, medium, small, general audience seats by how much

I have this statement that was in my thoughts the other day: Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium is officially the Anti-Maracana, or the Anti Mario Filho.

The final Brazilian League 05/12/2010


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http://i1.r7.com/data/files/2C92/94A3/2CA3/65D0/012C/B8C6/DE58/7DC9/digas%20700.jpg
http://www.lancenet.com.br/fluminense/Mosaico-Fluminense-Engenhao-Ricardo-Ramos_LANIMA20101205_0074_26.jpg#650x432
http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/12/05/1722024-9671-atm14.jpg
http://p1.trrsf.com.br/image/get?src=http://img.terra.com.br/i/2010/12/05/1722018-5558-atm14.jpg
http://www.photocamera.com.br/fotos/fluxguar05122010/09_ZOOM.JPG

Flu play there now?

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Flu play there now?

While the Maracanã is under construction.

When will olympics modifications be made (+ 14 000 seats) ?

When will olympics modifications be made (+ 14 000 seats) ?

Probably after WC2014.

Ronaldinho Gaucho Back to Brasil yesterday - Engenhão Olimpic Stadium
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One question: What if the Opening and Closing Ceremonies of the 2016 Summer Olympics were held in this stadium instead of the Maracana?

Go away Jim.

One question: What if the Opening and Closing Ceremonies of the 2016 Summer Olympics were held in this stadium instead of the Maracana?

I think many people are looking forward to the break with tradition Jim, I for one cannot wait to see the opening ceremony in a completely different stadium to the one carrying out track and field events, particularly one that has no real history in terms of athletics but is world famous for football. Roll on Rio! :banana::banana::banana:

Go away Jim.

Can't you stop with those stupid request?

And Gavstar, I do not want to see a break with tradition like that. It will probably be a terrible Olympics if Joao Havelange doesn't host ceremonies or get the flame or Olympic Flag. The RdJ Organising Committee acts like they're too stupid to know what a proper Olympic Stadium is. I want to know what the organising committee must be smoking.

Can't you stop with those stupid request?

And Gavstar, I do not want to see a break with tradition like that. It will probably be a terrible Olympics if Joao Havelange doesn't host ceremonies or get the flame or Olympic Flag. The RdJ Organising Committee acts like they're too stupid to know what a proper Olympic Stadium is. I want to know what the organising committee must be smoking.

Why not? Surely if the Maracana is going to be stand alone for the opening/closing ceremony it affords the organisers a lot more in terms of larger ceremonies given there is less of a time constraint to get the stadium ready for the sporting events. This could be the way forward Jim, a wholesale shift in how the Olympic Ceremonies are run in future!

The ceremonies issue is starting to look like the dispute over NYC's Park51. Eventually, it is not gonna be a matter of historical status or who the national stadium is. It's gonna be a matter of decency, and right and wrong. I don't want a football-only stadium hosting Summer Olympic and Paralympic Ceremonies. I just find that proposal insentive and offensive. I still want to know why they picked Maracana for Olympic Ceremonies,this may have happen at the Pan am Games, but is not gonna happen in the Olympics, so I don't trust this idea, and I don't want or need to trust it. I don't care about the time constraints, just get the Olympic Flame and flag into the Havelange Stadium and not Maracana. What if those two features were only at the Maracana and the Havelange Stadium gets nothing? This whole thing just reeks of arrogance at this point. If nothing is done about this problem, the pain will never go away. When I look over there and I see the Mario Filho hosting Olympic Ceremonies, it's going to hurt. Just hold them at Engenhao, and this whole Olympic ceremonies at Maracana idea can be put to rest.

So if the Mario Filho Stadium were to host Olympic and Paralympic ceremonies, the the IOC and its fans would like to see the San Siro in Milan, the Soccer City Stadium in Johannesburg, the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium in Madrid, and the Wembley Stadium in London hosting Summer Olympic ceremonies as well. Large stadiums with athletic tracks are on the decline nowadays. Some see it as a test for future host cites, but if any future Summer Olympic host cities were to try this idea, the Summer Olympics would be devalued and no one is going to care who or what an Olympic Stadium is anymore.

And I could see the Joao Havelange Stadium being a rival for the Mario Filho Stadium.

Can't you stop with those stupid request?

And Gavstar, I do not want to see a break with tradition like that. It will probably be a terrible Olympics if Joao Havelange doesn't host ceremonies or get the flame or Olympic Flag.

Yeah, because that's obviously what determines how good an Olympics is :lol:

This statement is as silly as those who claim the 2012 Olympics won't be as good as Beijing's because we haven't built a Birds Nest in London.

You've made your opinion clear Jim - hundreds of times - but nobody can take it seriously when you indulge in this kind of hyperbole.

^^You may think the statement is silly, but that's YOUR own damnable opinion, but it is clearly not silly. Also, if Joao Havelange doesn't host ceremonies or get the flame and Olympic Flag, it will be damnable. What did I do to deserve this Olmypic Stadium nightmare?

Improvements
Sheds will be restored and the streets, with extensive expropriation of property in the vicinity of Engenhão Posted on 11/05/2011 at 00h02m
Ernesto Luiz Magalhães

RIO - The access roads in the vicinity of the Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium will be expanded for the 2016 Olympic Games, with the recovery of a heritage engine from within. The Secretariat of Cultural Heritage, Urban Intervention, Architecture and Design has just completed studies for the establishment of Railway Square in the sheds to Engenhão fallen neighbors, which are now abandoned. The sheds will be restored to preserve the memory of the neighborhood, since they are one of the few landmarks that remain from the old workshops of the Federal Railway (RFFSA), demolished for the construction of the stadium. In the Olympics, they will be used as circulation area of ​​the public who is to attend Engenhão athletics. The budget work is still being detailed at City Hall.


This is not the first time that it announced a target for the sheds. During preparations for the Pan American Games 2007, the Brazilian Olympic Committee (IOC) even announced a project to train elite athletes at the site. After the Pan, the project was transferred to the future Olympic Park in Jacarepaguá Circuit, which has already begun to be deployed.



Also on Tuesday, Mayor Eduardo Paes issued a decree listing over a hundred properties to be expropriated in the entire block surrounding the Engenhão to expand the workshops and streets José dos Reis. Only a school hall will be preserved, according to the Municipal Secretary of Urbanism, Sergio Dias. One of those who are homeless is a public official and president of the Association of Residents of Areas Surrounding the Engenhão, Hannibal Antunes.


Hannibal's Engenhão, as it is known, provides difficulties to receive the compensation to be paid by the city He explained that the property is inherited and the property has not been regularized in the registry:

- Since 2007, I fight a lot for improvements in engine from within. Now come the victim. Until now, the stadium only brought profits to the bars because there was never a concrete plan for revitalization. When it seems to arrive, I'll have to leave the house where I live for 41 years. But I continue to live in the neighborhood - said Hannibal.

The decree also coincided with a wave of speculation around the stadium. Residents have been harassed by businessmen to sell their homes. The radiology technician Jorge Luis Duarte, 45, who six months ago moved with her mother to an apartment in expropriation Rua José dos Reis, lamented:

- He lived in the neighborhood rent and joined my savings to buy the property. I was saving up to renovate the apartment. Now I do not know what to do.

I thought we were supposed to demolish those shacks and not renovate them?

Here's how the Joao Havelange stadium will possibly eb expanded for the 2016 Summer Olympics.
http://i.imgur.com/KTyzg.png
(I sorta wanted a two-tier configuration throughout the stadium, not a one-tier.)

That's brilliant Jim, they've clearly taken on your engineering and aesthetic advice to work out an elegant solution. This coupled with the Maracana's expansion for the opening and closing ceremonies represents and real stride forward by the IOC from what I can make out from your posts.

Are the extended north and south tiers going to look outdated or should there be space for the Olympic Torch within this stadium?

Least Joao Havelange Stadium is hosting the ceremonies for the World Military Games in 2011.
http://s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/original/2011/07/16/engenhao_testedeluz_genilsonaraujo.jpg
http://s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/original/2011/07/16/engenhao_testedeluz_genilsonaraujo1.jpg

Hate to double-post, but this question is about the expansion. When the Joao Havelange stadium is expanded, can the roof literally be raised to accommodate the expanded north and south stands? I sorta don't want the roof to be removed completely, especially for the Olympics.

The expansion plan for the Joao Havelange Stadium is going to get even more drastic. The roof currently looks like its north and south portions curve down into the stands. Those portions will be removed and rebuilt to be exactly level with the west and east portions.

But what if, during the Games, the (expanded) north and south stands were left without a roof? Would a temporary roof still be needed to cover the temporarily-expanded stands or would they be left open-air?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/5023306826_370b966165.jpg

And about those entrance towers in the stadium's exterior, will they be kept in the future design? And can the stadium incorporate a facade or will it be left facade-less like the Maracana?

Please stop trolling here too Jim.

thanks

^^Not trying to troll, so stay out of my way.

The ceremonies issue is starting to look like the dispute over NYC's Park51. Eventually, it is not gonna be a matter of historical status or who the national stadium is. It's gonna be a matter of decency, and right and wrong. I don't want a football-only stadium hosting Summer Olympic and Paralympic Ceremonies. I just find that proposal insentive and offensive. I still want to know why they picked Maracana for Olympic Ceremonies,this may have happen at the Pan am Games, but is not gonna happen in the Olympics, so I don't trust this idea, and I don't want or need to trust it. I don't care about the time constraints, just get the Olympic Flame and flag into the Havelange Stadium and not Maracana. What if those two features were only at the Maracana and the Havelange Stadium gets nothing? This whole thing just reeks of arrogance at this point. If nothing is done about this problem, the pain will never go away. When I look over there and I see the Mario Filho hosting Olympic Ceremonies, it's going to hurt. Just hold them at Engenhao, and this whole Olympic ceremonies at Maracana idea can be put to rest.

So if the Mario Filho Stadium were to host Olympic and Paralympic ceremonies, the the IOC and its fans would like to see the San Siro in Milan, the Soccer City Stadium in Johannesburg, the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium in Madrid, and the Wembley Stadium in London hosting Summer Olympic ceremonies as well. Large stadiums with athletic tracks are on the decline nowadays. Some see it as a test for future host cites, but if any future Summer Olympic host cities were to try this idea, the Summer Olympics would be devalued and no one is going to care who or what an Olympic Stadium is anymore.

And I could see the Joao Havelange Stadium being a rival for the Mario Filho Stadium.

Seriously, how old are u? Get over.. it´s not the first time that the OC of an Olympic Games not happens in a olympic stadium. Most times, Winter games host it in many diferent places.

BTW, the Paralympic Ceremony will be held in Joao Havelange.

The expansion plan for the Joao Havelange Stadium is going to get even more drastic. The roof currently looks like its north and south portions curve down into the stands. Those portions will be removed and rebuilt to be exactly level with the west and east portions.

But what if, during the Games, the (expanded) north and south stands were left without a roof? Would a temporary roof still be needed to cover the temporarily-expanded stands or would they be left open-air?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/5023306826_370b966165.jpg

And about those entrance towers in the stadium's exterior, will they be kept in the future design? And can the stadium incorporate a facade or will it be left facade-less like the Maracana?


Sydney Olympic stadium did that...

Seriously, how old are u? Get over.. it´s not the first time that the OC of an Olympic Games not happens in a olympic stadium. Most times, Winter games host it in many diferent places.

BTW, the Paralympic Ceremony will be held in Joao Havelange.

Please do not ask me how old I am anymore, that is not relevant. This is the Summer Olympics, Rio de Janeiro is not hosting a Winter Olympics. But Winter Olympic Ceremonies is irrelevant, also.

I looked at the Rio 2016 bid book and found the event schedule on the second part.

* The Opening ceremony will take place on August 5. The Closing ceremony will take place on August 21.
* The Athletics events at the Joao Havelange Stadium will take place between August 12 and August 20.
* The Women's Marathon will take place on August 14. The Men's Marathon will take place on August 21. Both events are at the Sambodromo.
* The Archery events at the Sambodromo will take place on August 6-12.