RIO DE JANEIRO - Estádio Olímpico João Havelange (46,931)

[Edson-CMA]

PAN RIO 2007

Ready for WC 2014?


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[pompeyfan]

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Some renderings of the final product

[pompeyfan]

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[Loranga]

Remember that only two stadia in World Cup are allowed to have an athletics track.

[Giorgio]

Should be nice

[Mo Rush]

ready for 2007?

[CharlieP]

Remember that only two stadia in World Cup are allowed to have an athletics track.

According to whom?!

[Mo Rush]

According to whom?!
never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

[Its AlL gUUd]

Why is this called an Olympic stadium? IMO only those that host or bid for the games should be allowed to use the word olympic.

[Its AlL gUUd]

never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!

[Mo Rush]

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!
i dont its as much providing an all purpose football venue without a legacy...stade de france is a good example of having the best of both..south africa except for one stadium will provide the qualities of football venues..add newlands rugby ground in cape town as an additional stadium and u have 10 football stadia...but england of course have a major advantage when it comes to football stadia..

[Uncle Chop Chop]

England are probably one of the few at the mo who could provide all purpose built football stadia for a world cup

NO athletic tracks for sure!
Yes, you are correct. The one stadium in England fit for hosting a World Cup match does not have a track.

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[matherto]

Yes, you are correct. The one stadium in England fit for hosting a World Cup match does not have a track.

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hmmm, yes, one stadium, you really don't have anything to do other than get pissed and have fights with Celtic fans do you, poor poor Bubomb, or just Bubomb is poor

[CharlieP]

never heard of this rule either..i know egypt when they bid for 2010 had quite a few venues with athletics tracks...to my knowledge..the 2010 world cup will only have one stadium..with a visible track..

Thinking back, from memory:

2006 - two (Berlin and Stuttgart)
2002 - seven (Busan, Incheon, Niigata, Osaka, Sendai, Shizuoka, Yokohama)
1998 - none
1994 - one (Stanford)
1990 - nine (Bari, Bologna, Cagliari, Naples, Palermo, Rome, Turin, Udine, Verona)

[Ivan Drago]

hmmm, yes, one stadium, you really don't have anything to do other than get pissed and have fights with Celtic fans do you, poor poor Bubomb, or just Bubomb is poor
I wouldn't know, for I am not him and he is not me. He'll be back soon though, he told me only yesterday.

By the way who is this mythical celtic fan of whom you speak?

[SkyLerm]

Nice looking renders :yes:

[TEBC]

Why is this called an Olympic stadium? IMO only those that host or bid for the games should be allowed to use the word olympic.

Olympic in Brazil, is any stadium that has an athletics track

[Wezza]

Would the athletic track even get much use? I mean, would there be many major events held there that would fill the stadium & require the track?

[Mo Rush]

Would the athletic track even get much use? I mean, would there be many major events held there that would fill the stadium & require the track?
a rio olympic bid

[Whoopee Cushion]

Thinking back, from memory:

2006 - two (Berlin and Stuttgart)
2002 - seven (Busan, Incheon, Niigata, Osaka, Sendai, Shizuoka, Yokohama)
1998 - none
1994 - one (Stanford)
1990 - nine (Bari, Bologna, Cagliari, Naples, Palermo, Rome, Turin, Udine, Verona)


Germany had 3 - Berlin, Nurnberg and Stuttgart. The stadium in Berlin was superb for all the games played in it!

Italy had 8. Palmero does not have an athletics track.

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2002 had 11 - Daegu, Busan, Incheon, Gwangju, Niigata, Osaka, Shizuoka, Yokohama, Nagai, Miyagi, Otta.

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[zee]

impressive looking stadium

are there any bigger renders?

[Wezza]

a rio olympic bid
For they olympics, it would need to be expanded considerably.

[Mo Rush]

For they olympics, it would need to be expanded considerably.
yes it would are there any larger renders?

[Wezza]

I see now what it will be used for, the Pan american games. Nice stadium by the way. ;)

[www.sercan.de]

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[Bobby3]

I remember seeing a "football specific" mode for this stadium in renders. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Canadian Chocho]

Botafogo plays there, right?

[AndreÇB]

Botafogo plays there, right?

yes... and the stadium is also in the Rio 2016 Olympic Bid Project...

[leomarques]

I remember seeing a "football specific" mode for this stadium in renders. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

The stadium has been made for track and field competitions, I doubt it would became a football specific definitively.
However, a project for temporary seats over the track was made in order to host WC2014

watch it:
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[Bobby3]

Ah, cool.

Thank you.

[www.sercan.de]

wow
so cap. would be 80,000!!!!

BTW great music. Does somebody know it? :)

[artet]

BTW great music. Does somebody know it? :)

Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 :)

[Cauê]

Club: Botafogo F.R
City: Rio
Inauguration: 2007
Expansion planned: 60,000 people


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[bing222]

Amazing photos

[Loranga]

yes... and the stadium is also in the Rio 2016 Olympic Bid Project...

Will 60000 be enough for the Olympics?

[Bobby3]

It's to serve as the athletics stadium, the Maracana would be the "main stadium".

[Jim856796]

I said it many times before and I will say it again: 60,000 would be good enough for the Athletics and Ceremonies of the Olympic Games, so we cannot have two main stadiums for an Olympics.

[Cauê]

It's to serve as the athletics stadium, the Maracana would be the "main stadium".

Yes.
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[Cauê]

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[Cauê]

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[igormaverick]

The most stadium of Brazil

[salaverryo]

Curiously, the top Brazilian clubs haven't got their own stadiums, and in the few cases that they do, their home grounds tend to be pitiful. No matter what city, the biggest teams play in municipal venues.

[Bobby3]

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

[Jorge M]

Curiously, the top Brazilian clubs haven't got their own stadiums, and in the few cases that they do, their home grounds tend to be pitiful. No matter what city, the biggest teams play in municipal venues.

This is not true. What "top brazilian clubs" are you talking about?

[salaverryo]

This is not true. What "top brazilian clubs" are you talking about?

In Rio: Botafogo, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense. Vasco almost never plays at Sao Januario and Flu never plays at Laranjeiras (too small). In Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, S.P.F.C. and Corinthians play at either Pacaembu or Morumbi.
Are these clubs "top" enough for you?

[Jorge M]

^^ Still not true.
Flamengo is the only one from Rio that doesn't have a stadium. Vasco always plays in São Januário and Botafogo always plays at Engenhão. In São Paulo, Palmeiras always plays at Palestra Itália and Santos at Vila Belmiro. It's all a matter of schedule.

[salaverryo]

^^ Still not true.
Flamengo is the only one from Rio that doesn't have a stadium. Vasco always plays in São Januário and Botafogo always plays at Engenhão. In São Paulo, Palmeiras always plays at Palestra Itália and Santos at Vila Belmiro. It's all a matter of schedule.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

[leomarques]

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

Gremio's stadium is called Estádio Olímpico Monumental. Commomnly called as Olimpico (only).
This is Estádio Olímpico João Havelange. AKA Engenhão.

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Villa Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Sorry salaverryo, but you're wrong. Vasco and Palmeiras use mostly their's stadiums during the year. Palmeiras does not uses the Morumbi. Neither for major games. Vasco only uses Maracanã when an "classic" match happens (vs. Flamengo or Fluminense or Botafogo).
And come on, Santos IS a top club nowadays. Only in the 2000's, it has won 2 Leagues, was runner up in Libertadores 2003 and 3rd place in 2007. And finished top 4 in the league (classified to Libertadores in the next year) in 2002, 03, 04, 06, 07.
And Vila Belmiro is used by Santos the same way Palestra Itália is used by Palmeiras.
At last, Morumbi is property of Sao Paulo Futebol Clube. It's not a public stadium. And Engenhão was contructed by Rio's government, but the tenant is the club.So, it will belong, for 30 years, to Botafogo. And the club will arch with all of the maintenance costs.

But in my state, both major clubs: Cruzeiro and Atlético, use the public stadium Mineirão.

[Jorge M]

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Where are you from? I see you're not very acquainted with brazilian football.

[AndreÇB]

Bullshit. Vasco plays at Sao Januario and Palmeiras at Palestra Italia only their minor games, and Engenhao is a municipal stadium, it does NOT belong to Botafogo. Santos doesn't count, I was talking about TOP clubs, and Santos isn't one. Besides, Vila Belmiro is a second-rate stadium.

Wrong... Let me explain you.

Between 1950 and 1970 Brazil went on a "state-driven economic boom", and many large stadiums were built by the government (Mineirao 70k, Maracana 90k, Fonte Nova 60k and many other less important).

Before that, every club had it small stadium (including Rio and Minas Gerais clubs)... As it was expected, the "brand new public stadium" made the clubs stop investing on their arenas.

Cities like Porto Alegre, Recife and Florianopolis never had this public investment, and the local clubs have larger, private stadiums (such as Gremio's 'Olimpico' and Inter 'Beira-Rio'). They are still in use.

The case of Santos is very specific... It's not a big city, not a capital (Santos FC is the only non-state capital club that reached national league titles). Vila Belmiro Stadium (20k) is good enough foi the club... When they need, they can play in Sao Paulo city big stadiums (Pacaembu & Morumbi), wich are only 50 km far.... And it's not a small club... Major Titles: 2 Wolrd/ 2 Continental/ 8 national /17 regional.

Palmeiras and Vasco plays at least 90% of their home games in their own stadiums (Palestra Italia and Sao Januario)... In the 90's, both won Libertadores Cup playing home.

[AndreÇB]

Engenhão (this thread subject) is a fantastic stadium, but the neighborhood needs more investment on transport and parking, if govmn't really pretends to host Olympics 2016 there.

Local streets are VERY narrow... Big games = big traffc jam.

Rio's Train system (Supervia) is very unreliable.

[Athinaios]

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

[Mr.Underground]

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

Yes, will bethe stadium for athletic.

[Athinaios]

^^ During Olympics it will have 60000 capacity? It's not enough I think...it should be 70000 at least.

[GuiBR]

So this stadium will be the olympic stadium for games in 2016?? :D

The João Havelange is for athletics and the Olympic Stadium will be the memorable Maracanã.:)

[GuiBR]

In Rio: Botafogo, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense. Vasco almost never plays at Sao Januario and Flu never plays at Laranjeiras (too small). In Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, S.P.F.C. and Corinthians play at either Pacaembu or Morumbi.
Are these clubs "top" enough for you?


In Brazil, most of the big clubs but has own stadium.
Example

São Paulo FC- Morumbi
Palmeiras- Palestra Italia
Santos-Vila Belmiro
Corinthians-the only one of Sao Paulo that has a very large stage.

Vasco-São Januário
Botafogo-rented the Engenhão
Fluminense and Flamengo-they dont have stadium, playing in the Maracana.


Cruzeiro and Atletico Mineiro- dont have stadium , playing in Mineirão.

Internacional-Beira-Rio
Gremio-Olímpico Monumental, not João Havelange Olympic Stadium

[Athinaios]

So which one will be the main venue? Where will be closing and opening ceremony? On Maracanã? It would be great if so, becouse Maracanã is a temple of sport:banana:

[GuiBR]

So which one will be the main venue? Where will be closing and opening ceremony? On Maracanã? It would be great if so, becouse Maracanã is a temple of sport:banana:

Yes, the opening ceremony and closing will be in Maracanã

[soup or man]

But which stadium will be considered the 'Olympic Stadium?' Will they both share the Olympic torch?

[Jim856796]

The disputed main stadium issue may eventually be resolved by having the Joao Stadium as the undisputed main Olympic Stadium, holding the opening and closing ceremonies and the Athletics. And even though Rio won the Olympics, I am STILL opposed to the holding of the ceremonies in Maracana. No Games Rio has been dissolved and is now retooled and renamed as No Ceremonies Maracana. Other than that, there still need to be several other tweakages to the Rio 2016 Master Plan.

How would you like it if the Ceremonies for a Summer Olympics were held at an indoor arena instead of an outdoor stadium like they did in Belgrade for the Universiade?

I swear to God, the Organising committee are gong to reduce the Olympic Games to a second-tier sporting event.

[GuiBR]

But which stadium will be considered the 'Olympic Stadium?' Will they both share the Olympic torch?

No, only in Maracana, because Joao Havelange Olympic was considered Olympic only for the 2007 Pan.

[Ganis]

wait... this one will have the athletics but not the ceremonies? So the stadium with the ceremonies will only have the ceremonies?

[Capital78]

In official page of Brazil 2016 is clearly written that this stadium will host athletic venues! But it's far too small.

[leomarques]

^^ It will certainly be expanded. When built, plans for expansion were to increase the capacity to 60.000 by completing the 2nd tier behing the goals.
I don't know what 2016 comitee plans for Engenhão, but they may follow this project.

[Richo83]

Can the stadium ends be built with a second tier? And if so, what will the capacity be? Looks like something between 70-80k and since the English olympic stadium is 80k, And Greece's stadium is 71k, that seems plenty.

[Athinaios]

^^ Look at the post above. Just 60000...I hope it will be more than that.

[kazetuner]

wait... this one will have the athletics but not the ceremonies? So the stadium with the ceremonies will only have the ceremonies?

Ceremonies and Football.

[RobH]

According to the bid book, the current capacity is 45,000 and it will be expanded to 60,000 for the Olympics. It will be comparatively small when put alongside other Olympic stadiums, but it's the atmosphere which counts

http://www.rio2016.org.br/sumarioexecutivo/sumario/English/Per%20Theme/Volume%202/Theme_09.pdf (pdf)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Est%C3%A1dio_Ol%C3%ADmpico_Jo%C3%A3o_Havelange

I have to say, I'm yet to be convinced of the two stadiums plan. I'd much rather the ceremonies and the cauldron were here, rather than at the football venue.

But all that can be sorted out in due course, congrats to Rio once again. :)

[Wey]

Another alternative would be the construction of a temporary stadium in the Barra cluster, but only as a last case resort!

I wonder it there's the possibility of increasing even more the final capacity (60,000 predicted), maybe lowering the field?? :dunno:

Ahh, GuiBR, please watch your comments! You're delivering misinformation to international observes here. The current proposal is for JH to be the Olympic Stadium (therefore, athletics venue) and the Maracana to recieve soccer/openning and colsing ceremonies. :)

[ReiAyanami]

I have a feeling that this stadium discussion will turn even more nasty than the London's one....

[RobH]

It oughtn't. It's not like they've got to design and build a whole new stadium. It's more a question of logistics (getting the greatest number of people in the ceremonies) vs traditions (having the cauldron and cermonies at the athletics stadium).

[igor_carlos]

^^
I found this text in Globo Rio Newspaper
Na área compreendida pelo Maracanã acontecerão as competições de vôlei (Maracanãzinho), tiro com arco e maratona (Sambódromo), futebol e cerimônias de abertura e encerramento (Maracanã) e atletismo (Engenhão).

Translation:

In the area covered by the Maracanã volleyball competitions (Maracanãzinho Arena), archery and marathon (Sambódromo "Samba Concert Hall"), football and the opening and closing (Maracanã Stadium) and athletics (Engenhão Olympic Satium).

So the opening and close ceremony will be in Maracana around 80k, Engenhao Olympic stadium was the Pan American Stadium 2007 but this time will be used to Athletics

[http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/rio2016/mat/2009/10/02/barra-vai-concentrar-maioria-das-instalacoes-olimpicas-na-rio-2016-767883996.asp#]

[Wey]

RobH, what an absolutely gorgeous avatr you have on, it looks stunning! :happy:

[RobH]

Thanks. It only took a few minutes to make, but it came out better than I expected.

[schmidt]

IMO if they use this stadium as the main olympic one, it will be one of the dullest I've ever seen.

[RobH]

There's no if about it, it is the Olympic stadium for everything apart from the ceremonies.

[Wey]

I hope they at least jazz it up a little bit, maybe some facade renewall, something with a lot of glass, steel and excentricity...

Anyway, in contingecy case for Maraca, ans since noone's answered my question, i'll repeat it: is there the chance to increase even further the stadium capacity?? Maybe lowering the filed and expanding the lower stands? How much seats could be added? I know there was a plan in case Maracanã didn't meet the FIFA requirements for the WC to lower the field and get rid of the athletics track (temporarily) getting up to 85.000 capacity. Could that still be made with the presence of the track?

[Wey]

Also, the more I think about it, the more makes no sense whatsoever this whole "athletics stadium torch" thing. I know there's history behinf it, but we have to remember the tradition was born in a time the vast majority of sports practiced in the OG were athletics! Now we have aquatic centers, arenas and bowls at the dozens... it's kinda demeriting to reserve the torch only in a venue, isn't it?? In this case, a special venue dedicated solely to that purpose would seem more neutral and appropriated.

[ReiAyanami]

^^No, its a matter of branding and legacy. When you say Olympics of the x city, you have to associate with some venue. As a matter of fact you could very well have 50 mini athletic stadia for each different athletic sport. And organize the ceremony across the city on the streets. So what?

[Wey]

^^No, its a matter of branding and legacy. When you say Olympics of the x city, you have to associate with some venue. As a matter of fact you could very well have 50 mini athletic stadia for each different athletic sport. And organize the ceremony across the city on the streets. So what?

So, there's no real attachment to the athletics venue whatsoever? Maracanã (which will host soccer) could be the "reference venue"?

[Lonesome Traveler]

Isn't the Olimpico owned by Gremio?

The Olímpico is the name of Gremio stadium and has nothing to do with the Olympic stadium for the Olympic Games.

:)

[ReiAyanami]

So, there's no real attachment to the athletics venue whatsoever? Maracanã (which will host soccer) could be the "reference venue"?

Anyway my comment was sarcastic about this whole discussion in the previous page.

The point is:

The Olympic Stadium is the main venue of the games, which means the venue for the athletics. The opening ceremony was not introduced, as we know it now, for some time. I'm not 100% sure but the IOC says the Olympic flame must be visible from within this stadium. That is probably the reason why both stadiums will have the flame. Maracana cause you can't have a ceremony without flame, and the other one cause you can't have an Olympic stadium without a flame. What does all this mean? That Estádio Olímpico João Havelange is 2016 Olympic stadium, and Maracana a football venue.

[Jim856796]

^^Aha! That may be the primary reason why the Jornalista Mario Filho Stadium cannot, must not, should not, and will not serve as the main olympic stadium in Rio de Janeiro. I don't care if an expanded Havelange Stadium is too small. 60000 should be the minimum for the Olympic ceremonies. Plus I'm worried about the placement of the cauldron in the Maracana Stadium. An Olympic Stadium has to have a cauldron burning throughout the 16-day period. There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

IMO if they use this stadium as the main olympic one, it will be one of the dullest I've ever seen.

It's not going to be a dull stadium, Schmidt. Rio just has to follow protocol. Sorry.

[ReiAyanami]

Is this a bit too early to discuss about? Hell, there won't even be the SSC in 2016 for all I know, when the server time will end....

[Jim856796]

^^ The hell with that! The world ain't gonna end as long as there are several events, especially sports-related, to be held even beyond 2012. I don't believe in that flarging Mayan Calendar crap. Lousy Nostradamus probably proposed that idea.

[ReiAyanami]

What are you talking about? I said that SSC server might go down before 2016, what do Maya have to do with that?????

BTW, It is just me, but it is a bit disappointing to see the main venue ready from now. I mean, all the excitement of the construction, the preparations, wonder how it will look like, etc, etc, it won't be there.....:(

[Jim856796]

Why is the SSC server going down, anyway?

[ReiAyanami]

Why is the SSC server going down, anyway?

Just something that I read in "About the Forums" section. Since I can't find it now, just forget about it.

[MoreOrLess]

^^Aha! That may be the primary reason why the Jornalista Mario Filho Stadium cannot, must not, should not, and will not serve as the main olympic stadium in Rio de Janeiro. I don't care if an expanded Havelange Stadium is too small. 60000 should be the minimum for the Olympic ceremonies. Plus I'm worried about the placement of the cauldron in the Maracana Stadium. An Olympic Stadium has to have a cauldron burning throughout the 16-day period. There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

It's not going to be a dull stadium, Schmidt. Rio just has to follow protocol. Sorry.

You didnt have a clue about your "primary reason" until someone mentioned it as your a kid who posts with a nationalistic agenda.

Personally what I'd do in that this situation is turn it to your advanage and have the Cauldron/flame move between venues after its lit, maybe by helicopter to give some nice overhead shots of the city or though the streets on some kind of vechical. That would be an event that involved more than just those in the stadiums themselves.

[salaverryo]

In official page of Brazil 2016 is clearly written that this stadium will host athletic venues! But it's far too small.

Not really. The Olympic Stadium in Montjuic (Barcelona) had a capacity of 55 thousand.

[ReiAyanami]

Not really. The Olympic Stadium in Montjuic (Barcelona) had a capacity of 55 thousand.

around 70k during the Olympics

[salaverryo]

around 70k during the Olympics

That is what Wikipedia says, but there's no proof. Besides, between 55 and 70 thousand there is a 15 thousand difference. That's a lot of people. I watched those Olympics on TV and the stadium didn't seem to have any additional seats. Where did they put those 15 thousand extra spectators?

[ExSydney]

That is what Wikipedia says, but there's no proof. Besides, between 55 and 70 thousand there is a 15 thousand difference. That's a lot of people. I watched those Olympics on TV and the stadium didn't seem to have any additional seats. Where did they put those 15 thousand extra spectators?
There was no extra seating in 1992.There certainly was not 70,000 seats.I seem to remember 60,000.Way too small for an Olympic Stadium.

[RobH]

And yet still one of the best games ever.

[pedrop.rio]

There was no cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am Games, so the cauldron must go in the Joao Stadium.

Yes, there was a Cauldron in the 2007 Pan Am. And it was placed in Maracanã, burning during throughout the entire period.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2280972072_e36f6e5331.jpg

But it was strange to watch Athletics without a burning flame in the background, though.

[Jim856796]

It will be comparatively small when put alongside other Olympic stadiums, but it's the atmosphere which counts

Only Barcelona's 1992 Olympic Stadium will have been smaller than the expanded Engenhao Stadium (not counting any pre-1932 Olympic Stadiums). Barcelona's was 56,000, the fact that it was expanded to 70000 for the Olympics was untrue, It never expanded in capacity and has always remained at 56000 after its reconstruction for the Olympics.