which

pix?

god...

need more information.ok?

god...

need more information.ok?
please chinese and indian forumers give us more information and pix.

Well there needs to be no comparision between Indian car manufacturing and their counterpart in China.
Both the countries have differnt needs

Well In india we have an automobile industry dating back to to british occupation.

Now we have both Indian and foreign company fighting in the arena.

with our infrastucture I mean in India getting better day by day our demands will also change.

Any way now Indian automarket perfer green and fuel efficient automobiles.

somehow i've got the feeling that fttd is trying to start a flame war between the chinese and indian forumers ...

i think both are doing well, hehe.

印度采购商眼中的中印汽车工业

未知作者 2005-04-08 11:21


【摘要】几乎全世界的大型汽车公司都在说中国汽车产量将跃居全球前列，但与此同时，美日欧韩等国际汽车巨头对中国汽车业的评价是“暂时不够成熟”,就在我们眼盯着美日欧韩的时候，来自印度的汽车公司向中国市场发出进军的号角,印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司以及印度Mahindra集团都在积极寻觅国内合作伙伴,印度目前的轿车产销水平仅与2000年时中国轿车的产销水平相当，但印度市场上充斥着土生土长的轿车，印度在汽车研发上的投入远远高于中国，其汽车工业发展潜力是不可小视的。
【关键词】汽车






几乎全世界的大型汽车公司都在说中国汽车产量将跃居全球前列，但与此同时，美日欧韩等国际汽车巨头对中国汽车业的评价是“暂时不够成熟”。




这个问题确实值得探讨。就在我们眼盯着美日欧韩的时候，来自印度的汽车公司向中国市场发出进军的号角。印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司以及印度Mahindra集团都在积极寻觅国内合作伙伴。




“印度汽车产业也许跑得比中国更快。”2005年3月31日，借中国重庆国际汽车工业展会之机，印度最大的汽车配件商卢卡斯－TVS亚太采购总监楠度，就中印汽车工业比较等话题接受了本报记者的专访。




印度目前的轿车产销水平仅与2000年时中国轿车的产销水平相当，但印度市场上充斥着土生土长的轿车，印度在汽车研发上的投入远远高于中国，其汽车工业发展潜力是不可小视的。




让人心动的中国汽车市场




“中国的汽车市场，实在是让人心动。”楠度说。




楠度回忆，2000年时印度的轿车产销量与中国相差无几，大约在80万辆左右。可是，到了2004年中国的轿车产销量已经达到260万辆，而印度的轿车产销量每年仅是平稳地增长。




在楠度看来，中国轿车市场的井喷行情，得益于中国20世纪90年代开始的基础道路建设。当时，中国老百姓有一句非常通俗易懂的话：“要想富先修路。”




中国的汽车市场比印度大四倍。这是一个庞大的市场，它吸引着越来越多的印度汽车企业纷涌进入中国，它们都想从中国高速增长的汽车工业中分享到一点蛋糕。




成立于1911年的卢卡斯－TVS就是其中的一员。去年，卢卡斯－TVS的年营业额为20亿美元，有2.5万员工。其涉及汽配、金融、纺织、电子等多个领域，是印度25家传统工业家族之一。卢卡斯－TVS是印度第一大汽配商，它在印度市场上的综合占有率达到了65％。除此以外，卢卡斯－TVS下属三家合资公司，与德尔芙合资生产柴油泵，与全球最大的车灯制造商日本Koito公司合资生产车灯，与日产电机公司合资生产摩托车启动机。




2004年3月，卢卡斯－TVS来到中国，在上海设立代表处。目前，该公司在中国的零配件采购金额只有100多万美元，卢卡斯－TVS的目标是，在中国的年采购额达到1000多万美元，达到该公司全球采购金额的10％。楠度称，他这次是第一次来到重庆，希望了解供应商的情况，包括质量和价格等方面的因素，如果这些都能符合中国的要求，他们的采购金额是没有限制的。




据悉，在与供应商进行接触后，万达公司已与卢卡斯达成了超过2亿美元的意向性合作订单。卢卡斯－TVS还挑选了长江轴承、重庆长风、聚兴工业、成都金奇等有合作意向的潜在供应商。




对于此次中国西部之行，楠度表示非常满意。他深信，今后还有更多的机会与中国的零配件企业合作。他透露，印度有不少公司正考虑在中国设立零配件制造的合资企业。




印度汽车工业加速度




假如被问及对印度的印象，一般的中国人可能会回答：“除了软件业发达外，那是个比较落后的国家。”但就是由这个“比较落后的国家”自产的纯正汽车正以每年数以万计的规模出口发达国家。




楠度称，虽然目前印度的汽车市场比中国小得多，但是印度的汽车企业在自主研发上的投入却比中国大很多。




楠度认为，中国汽车业总体发展还是好的。但是这一发展并不均衡，因为中国汽车业不是一个整体概念，而是分散的，各个地区的要求也不同，发展政策也不同，与国外合作方式也不同，不同的地方政策催生众多各种各样的厂商竞争的局面。




从1993年开始，印度政府调整了产业政策，有条件地向国际汽车工业巨头打开国门。同时，印度长期重视科技教育，培养了大批制造业所需的工程师队伍。




霎时，十数家汽车界巨头先后以合资合作、投资建厂等方式涌入印度市场。目前，除了德国大众公司外，福特、通用、丰田、三菱、铃木等世界跨国汽车企业均在印度设厂。




近些年来，一些发达国家陆续关闭了在本国的汽车制造厂，纷纷将基地转移到印度这样一些新近崛起的、成本低且市场容量大的国家。得益于外来的资金、先进的技术与管理以及妇孺皆知的品牌，印度自己的汽车工业和消费市场没有错过这个机会。印度轿车工业在20世纪90年代后呈高速增长态势，形成年产120万辆的生产能力。去年，印度年产汽车产量超过200万辆，已经成为全球的微型车制造基地。




楠度称，对印度10亿消费者而言，开放的结果就是汽车产品日益丰富，价格不断下降，部分产品已经和国际市场同步。




印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司年营业额高达20亿美元，其生产的汽车90％是自主研发、设计与制造的。汽车几个核心部分，比如底盘、发动机都是该公司自主研发的。




绝大部分自主研发，掌握着核心技术，因而印度的汽车企业在竞争力不比欧美国家的汽车企业差多少。




从20世纪60年代起，塔塔已出口汽车到欧洲、非洲、亚洲等一些国家和地区。其小型车印迪卡以其外型优雅、时尚，内部宽敞、价格低廉，在上市后不长的一段时间里就接到超过11万辆的订单，产品供不应求，曾经创造了印度汽车销售的最高记录。最近，又有报道称，塔塔汽车公司向英国大量出口印迪卡轿车。楠度称，即将向英国出口印迪卡轿车，对于印度汽车制造业尤其是塔塔汽车公司来说，无疑是一次历史性的跨越。此次，塔塔公司在没有外援的情况下，独立生产出新款的小轿车，而且还将大批出口英国，这极大增强了印度汽车制造业的信心。




“汽车业有望与软件业并肩成为带动印度国民经济高速发展有力的双泵。”楠度颇有几分自豪地说。




?记者手记?




中国的汽车企业该反省了




中国有着巨大的汽车消费市场。但是众所周知，中国是一个汽车大国，却不是一个汽车强国，就像一个有着高大身躯的人，却有点虚胖。




印度的汽车消费市场虽然远不如中国那么大，但是印度的汽车工业却有着世人公认的竞争力。就像一个人，虽然个头不高，却很强壮。




从长远看，谁会获胜？多数分析师认为胜者会是中国，它在正一跃成为全世界最具经济活力的亚洲已经占有优势。然而，经济领域没有必然性。




“中国合作伙伴除提供低成本劳动力和销售渠道外，对实际经营和管理的贡献几乎为零。”雷诺戈恩的这句“口误”广为流传，它印证了中国汽车业的尴尬，从设计、经营管理上都没有自主创新力。




中国有这么大的汽车市场，可是中国企业自主研发的汽车又有多少呢？中国的汽车工业已经走过了20年，但是中国汽车的对外依存度仍达80％以上。中国汽车业在近几年取得高速发展的情况下，国内厂商必须向跨国公司支付巨额的技术转让费、品牌使用费和进口核心零部件等费用，大量的利润被跨国公司获取。随着市场环境和政策环境的变化，跨国汽车公司更侧重于加强对产业链的控制，中资汽车品牌面临产业资本被金融化、民族资本被边缘化、制造领域被“空心化”、支柱产业的“附庸化”的窘境。




印度发展汽车工业的各方面条件都不如中国。印度的塔塔早在20世纪60年代就开始出口轿车。出口轿车的量，也非中国所能比。印度汽车工业的竞争力，可见一斑。冰冻三尺，非一日之寒。该国的汽车工业令人吃惊地在快速成长，被人们誉为印度继软件业之后，另一极具全球竞争力的产业。




印度汽车工业的迅速崛起，是因为印度有塔塔这样的企业成长起来，是因为塔塔在合资的同时，坚持自主研发，90％以上部件靠自主设计制造。掌握了汽车发展的核心技术，也就是掌握了企业快速发展的命脉。








【来源】： 证券时报

another india/china comparison? tired ...
fttd can you come up with something new?

China, i thinks :D

This is defenately a flame war attampt but heres an educated reply. In both thes countries majrity of the manyfacturers are foreign/domestic joint venturers producing some of the best cars in the world. Both the countries are major OEM producers(though china is ahead of us) IN both the countries there are some domestic manufacturers that make indegenous cars and are trying to export.

Both are on the way to taking over the world car markets(not necessarily for car models) but for OEM parts


THere


BTW India sells about 1 million cars a year all of them domestically produced with indian monikers, Maruti/Suzuki are the major car manufacturers. Indian compant Tata makes the tata indica designed and produced 100% india. Anmd of course all makker of BMW are sold here also

none of them yet. they have to improve security of their cars

India is the 3rd largest car market in Asia.China should be no.1 . followed by Japan.Either way it doesn't matter.It should be a matter of comfort to the world that the two most populous nations, namely China and India are doing well and contributing to the increasing well being of their peoples and the world economy.

closed it..

India and China work togerther...

both great country...

I don't know either

http://www.caparo-t1.com/

http://www.2sportscars.com/cars/concept/caparot1.jpg

PRICE : ONLY !!! 260,000

Lord Swaraj Paul to market Rs 1.17 crore car in India
Tuesday, April 11 2006 11:49 Hrs (IST) - World Time -

London: Lord Swaraj Paul's Caparo Group has formed a subsidiary that will manufacture a 1000 bhp 'Super Car' by the end of this year, the first of which will be marketed in India.

The super car, to be named Caparo T1, will come at a price tag of 150,000 pounds (approximately Rs 1.17 crore) and has all the features of a racing car.

To manufacture the Caparo T1, the group recently acquired automotive consultancy firm started by Ben Scott-Geddess and Graham Halstead, who developed the famous McLaren F1, Lord Paul said.

The subsidiary to manufacture Caparo T1 will be headed by Lord Paul's son Angad, who is the group's CEO.

Scott-Geddess becomes the design director of the new company while Halstead will be the engineering director.

Commenting on the group's move into advanced vehicle technology, Angad Paul said, "I warmly welcome this opportunity for the group to move up the value chain with this high value added proposition.

"We will use our vehicle technology company to add new material know-how to our existing aluminuim and steel structural capabilities," he said.

The new company will provide advanced technology development, materials engineering, and design services to mainstream automotive, motorsport and aerospace markets.

Coupled with its global manufacturing resource and capability, Caparo aims to accelerate the use of light weight materials in vehicle structures.

http://news.indiainfo.com/2006/04/11/1104swaraj-paul-car-india.html

1000 Base HorsePower!!!!!

0-100 MPH <5 Seconds
0-60 MPH < 2.5 Seconds Depending on Tyre Setup

Later Acceleration Up to 3g+
Braking Decceleration Up to 3g+

2 seater

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/caparot106_02.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/04/caparot106_03.jpg

The world's first carbon composite production road car.
The world's first 2 seater formula one racing car.
The world's first 'volume' production advanced composite sports car.

http://www.caparomaruti.com/
http://www.caparo-t1.com/downloads/Freestream_T1_%20Unrivalled_1000bhp.pdf

印度采购商眼中的中印汽车工业

未知作者 2005-04-08 11:21


【摘要】几乎全世界的大型汽车公司都在说中国汽车产量将跃居全球前列，但与此同时，美日欧韩等国际汽车巨头对中国汽车业的评价是“暂时不够成熟”,就在我们眼盯着美日欧韩的时候，来自印度的汽车公司向中国市场发出进军的号角,印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司以及印度Mahindra集团都在积极寻觅国内合作伙伴,印度目前的轿车产销水平仅与2000年时中国轿车的产销水平相当，但印度市场上充斥着土生土长的轿车，印度在汽车研发上的投入远远高于中国，其汽车工业发展潜力是不可小视的。
【关键词】汽车






几乎全世界的大型汽车公司都在说中国汽车产量将跃居全球前列，但与此同时，美日欧韩等国际汽车巨头对中国汽车业的评价是“暂时不够成熟”。




这个问题确实值得探讨。就在我们眼盯着美日欧韩的时候，来自印度的汽车公司向中国市场发出进军的号角。印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司以及印度Mahindra集团都在积极寻觅国内合作伙伴。




“印度汽车产业也许跑得比中国更快。”2005年3月31日，借中国重庆国际汽车工业展会之机，印度最大的汽车配件商卢卡斯－TVS亚太采购总监楠度，就中印汽车工业比较等话题接受了本报记者的专访。




印度目前的轿车产销水平仅与2000年时中国轿车的产销水平相当，但印度市场上充斥着土生土长的轿车，印度在汽车研发上的投入远远高于中国，其汽车工业发展潜力是不可小视的。




让人心动的中国汽车市场




“中国的汽车市场，实在是让人心动。”楠度说。




楠度回忆，2000年时印度的轿车产销量与中国相差无几，大约在80万辆左右。可是，到了2004年中国的轿车产销量已经达到260万辆，而印度的轿车产销量每年仅是平稳地增长。




在楠度看来，中国轿车市场的井喷行情，得益于中国20世纪90年代开始的基础道路建设。当时，中国老百姓有一句非常通俗易懂的话：“要想富先修路。”




中国的汽车市场比印度大四倍。这是一个庞大的市场，它吸引着越来越多的印度汽车企业纷涌进入中国，它们都想从中国高速增长的汽车工业中分享到一点蛋糕。




成立于1911年的卢卡斯－TVS就是其中的一员。去年，卢卡斯－TVS的年营业额为20亿美元，有2.5万员工。其涉及汽配、金融、纺织、电子等多个领域，是印度25家传统工业家族之一。卢卡斯－TVS是印度第一大汽配商，它在印度市场上的综合占有率达到了65％。除此以外，卢卡斯－TVS下属三家合资公司，与德尔芙合资生产柴油泵，与全球最大的车灯制造商日本Koito公司合资生产车灯，与日产电机公司合资生产摩托车启动机。




2004年3月，卢卡斯－TVS来到中国，在上海设立代表处。目前，该公司在中国的零配件采购金额只有100多万美元，卢卡斯－TVS的目标是，在中国的年采购额达到1000多万美元，达到该公司全球采购金额的10％。楠度称，他这次是第一次来到重庆，希望了解供应商的情况，包括质量和价格等方面的因素，如果这些都能符合中国的要求，他们的采购金额是没有限制的。




据悉，在与供应商进行接触后，万达公司已与卢卡斯达成了超过2亿美元的意向性合作订单。卢卡斯－TVS还挑选了长江轴承、重庆长风、聚兴工业、成都金奇等有合作意向的潜在供应商。




对于此次中国西部之行，楠度表示非常满意。他深信，今后还有更多的机会与中国的零配件企业合作。他透露，印度有不少公司正考虑在中国设立零配件制造的合资企业。




印度汽车工业加速度




假如被问及对印度的印象，一般的中国人可能会回答：“除了软件业发达外，那是个比较落后的国家。”但就是由这个“比较落后的国家”自产的纯正汽车正以每年数以万计的规模出口发达国家。




楠度称，虽然目前印度的汽车市场比中国小得多，但是印度的汽车企业在自主研发上的投入却比中国大很多。




楠度认为，中国汽车业总体发展还是好的。但是这一发展并不均衡，因为中国汽车业不是一个整体概念，而是分散的，各个地区的要求也不同，发展政策也不同，与国外合作方式也不同，不同的地方政策催生众多各种各样的厂商竞争的局面。




从1993年开始，印度政府调整了产业政策，有条件地向国际汽车工业巨头打开国门。同时，印度长期重视科技教育，培养了大批制造业所需的工程师队伍。




霎时，十数家汽车界巨头先后以合资合作、投资建厂等方式涌入印度市场。目前，除了德国大众公司外，福特、通用、丰田、三菱、铃木等世界跨国汽车企业均在印度设厂。




近些年来，一些发达国家陆续关闭了在本国的汽车制造厂，纷纷将基地转移到印度这样一些新近崛起的、成本低且市场容量大的国家。得益于外来的资金、先进的技术与管理以及妇孺皆知的品牌，印度自己的汽车工业和消费市场没有错过这个机会。印度轿车工业在20世纪90年代后呈高速增长态势，形成年产120万辆的生产能力。去年，印度年产汽车产量超过200万辆，已经成为全球的微型车制造基地。




楠度称，对印度10亿消费者而言，开放的结果就是汽车产品日益丰富，价格不断下降，部分产品已经和国际市场同步。




印度最大的汽车公司塔塔汽车公司年营业额高达20亿美元，其生产的汽车90％是自主研发、设计与制造的。汽车几个核心部分，比如底盘、发动机都是该公司自主研发的。




绝大部分自主研发，掌握着核心技术，因而印度的汽车企业在竞争力不比欧美国家的汽车企业差多少。




从20世纪60年代起，塔塔已出口汽车到欧洲、非洲、亚洲等一些国家和地区。其小型车印迪卡以其外型优雅、时尚，内部宽敞、价格低廉，在上市后不长的一段时间里就接到超过11万辆的订单，产品供不应求，曾经创造了印度汽车销售的最高记录。最近，又有报道称，塔塔汽车公司向英国大量出口印迪卡轿车。楠度称，即将向英国出口印迪卡轿车，对于印度汽车制造业尤其是塔塔汽车公司来说，无疑是一次历史性的跨越。此次，塔塔公司在没有外援的情况下，独立生产出新款的小轿车，而且还将大批出口英国，这极大增强了印度汽车制造业的信心。




“汽车业有望与软件业并肩成为带动印度国民经济高速发展有力的双泵。”楠度颇有几分自豪地说。




?记者手记?




中国的汽车企业该反省了




中国有着巨大的汽车消费市场。但是众所周知，中国是一个汽车大国，却不是一个汽车强国，就像一个有着高大身躯的人，却有点虚胖。




印度的汽车消费市场虽然远不如中国那么大，但是印度的汽车工业却有着世人公认的竞争力。就像一个人，虽然个头不高，却很强壮。




从长远看，谁会获胜？多数分析师认为胜者会是中国，它在正一跃成为全世界最具经济活力的亚洲已经占有优势。然而，经济领域没有必然性。




“中国合作伙伴除提供低成本劳动力和销售渠道外，对实际经营和管理的贡献几乎为零。”雷诺戈恩的这句“口误”广为流传，它印证了中国汽车业的尴尬，从设计、经营管理上都没有自主创新力。




中国有这么大的汽车市场，可是中国企业自主研发的汽车又有多少呢？中国的汽车工业已经走过了20年，但是中国汽车的对外依存度仍达80％以上。中国汽车业在近几年取得高速发展的情况下，国内厂商必须向跨国公司支付巨额的技术转让费、品牌使用费和进口核心零部件等费用，大量的利润被跨国公司获取。随着市场环境和政策环境的变化，跨国汽车公司更侧重于加强对产业链的控制，中资汽车品牌面临产业资本被金融化、民族资本被边缘化、制造领域被“空心化”、支柱产业的“附庸化”的窘境。




印度发展汽车工业的各方面条件都不如中国。印度的塔塔早在20世纪60年代就开始出口轿车。出口轿车的量，也非中国所能比。印度汽车工业的竞争力，可见一斑。冰冻三尺，非一日之寒。该国的汽车工业令人吃惊地在快速成长，被人们誉为印度继软件业之后，另一极具全球竞争力的产业。




印度汽车工业的迅速崛起，是因为印度有塔塔这样的企业成长起来，是因为塔塔在合资的同时，坚持自主研发，90％以上部件靠自主设计制造。掌握了汽车发展的核心技术，也就是掌握了企业快速发展的命脉。








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hi friend

i cannot understand even a single letter. can u write this in english please?

Mods please close this, why someone need to revive such a thread.

i think there was a "chinese car" thread before.

I think this thread will better if its Japanese vs. German vs. American Cars. Of course, everyone knows Japanese will be at the top.

This thread should be locked, Where are the mods ?

I think this thread will better if its Japanese vs. German vs. American Cars. Of course, everyone knows Japanese will be at the top.
no german cars will be at top. ever heard of mercedes bmw porsche etc

no german cars will be at top. ever heard of mercedes bmw porsche etc

You forgot my top 2 favorite brand which is Maybach and Bugatti (French but owned by a German Company).


Of course. Those cars will be at the top in terms of speed, luxury and performance. I used to have a bimmer 1984 3 series. I guess I did not specify what's in mind which is reliability, efficiency and eco-friendly and those are the cars in demand today here in United States. That's why GMC, Ford and DaimlerChrysler are loosing money because of this japanese car invasion.

japanese can cut costs or make cheaper cars but at top end of chain german cars are best which only rich can afford to buy

japanese can cut costs or make cheaper cars but at top end of chain german cars are best which only rich can afford to buy

agreed, germany made cars more safty, so the price will be higher than japanese cars.

Tata is going to own Jaguar and Land Rover in less than a month. The deal is almost done. I definitely vote India for car manufacturing because several car companies are being bought out by Indians, for example the suzuki deal made by maruti.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article2935715.ece

some iranians told me tata is iranian not indian?

Tata is going to own Jaguar and Land Rover in less than a month. The deal is almost done. I definitely vote India for car manufacturing because several car companies are being bought out by Indians, for example the suzuki deal made by maruti.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article2935715.ece

india bought those car manufatories?

I dont know which is better, cos I just drive some Chinese brand cars yet but haven't seen any cars made by Indian auto manufactories on chinese highways, indeed the comparison between China and India is more or less pointless now, because every country faces the main competitions from countries like Japan, Germany, France, US and so on, definitely the competition between Chinese local auto brands and foreign auto brands in Chinese auto market and automobile industries is pretty intense and fierce, I think it may be as the same as india, so those local auto makers from China and India should work hard to beat their own competitors down in near future

Tata is going to own Jaguar and Land Rover in less than a month. The deal is almost done. I definitely vote India for car manufacturing because several car companies are being bought out by Indians, for example the suzuki deal made by maruti.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article2935715.ece

good news, go India, and China auto makers have also purchased MG Rover and SSANG YONG Motor Company for a few years, the level of nowaday Chinese auto industry is very close to South Korea, but both India and China have a long way to go.

methinks theyre both CRAP
tata sells well but their cars and CRAP
chery cant even sell in the US

i give them 20 years - theyll both go the same way that korean cars have gone. i used to laugh at korean cars... now korean cars are quite impressive.

methinks theyre both CRAP
tata sells well but their cars and CRAP
chery cant even sell in the US

i give them 20 years - theyll both go the same way that korean cars have gone. i used to laugh at korean cars... now korean cars are quite impressive.

needn't 20 years, give china 10 years, we can make impressive cars.

Yup for the moment they're all pieces of crap

I'll say 10 years, before they can sell, but a while longer to make truly great cars

Korean cars are still kind of BLEH, they're fine, but so BLEH

Neither...Both countries are yet to reach world standards in car manufacturing...and here i mean by 100% Indian or 100% Chinese..especially technology..

There arent many Indian cars sold in Europe or NA..so its hard to compare, though i have seen quite a few Maruti cars at the Amsterdam airport, but not in public..

Within 20~30 years the concept of automobile as we know it today may not exist.
With the ever rising price of gas with growing pressue on carbon emission, the possibility of petro internal combustion as the motor is doubtful and with the growing reliance on electronics, fully manual drive is also questionable.
So who will be at top in the auto industry?
I have no idea but it will probably the be one with a viable solution to the mounting problem we face today.

Both are yucky !! yewwww.....

Indian cars only popular in India, a lot of indians drive Tata and Maruti Suzuki. But with the surge of Hyundai, Tata and Maruti will have some hard time there in India. I remember, Tata exported buses to the Caribbean Island not long ago, but end up withdraw out of the market because of sale disaster

Chinese cars are even struggling with foreign competitors to win market shares at home, fighting against Audi, Toyota.... looks like a lost fight, although it is selling ok in Russia and other developing market (Cherry).

One last thing, do Indian cars go through crash tests ? I have been trying to search for some Mahindra and Tata crash tests videos but couldn't find any. The Chinese ones can be easily found due to the fiasco :D :D (lol sorry :D) but to be fair though, they did some improvement. I heard that the Chinese have their own version of EuroNcap something like that and some emission standards (lower than the European standards), but so far I have not heard anything like that from the Indians, or maybe I am not fortunate enough to catch that information ?

I completely agree with Tri-ring. But I don't know why the present cars don't really look different from the cars of 30 years ago, except for some better looking design, and more features for the interior, other than that I don't see any breakthrough in automobile technology lately.

I completely agree with Tri-ring. But I don't know why the present cars don't really look different from the cars of 30 years ago, except for some better looking design, and more features for the interior, other than that I don't see any breakthrough in automobile technology lately.

Thank you, and as for comparison of cars of today with 30 years ago. Actually there has been numurous changes like introduction of fuel injection systems, lean burn technology, introduction of composite and aluminum material, complete change in designing of compartment safety redefining the concept of the crushable zone, introduction of computer control, etc.

The style of a car really doesn't change that much with the constraints it had then and now.(You know the big hunk of metal called the engine with a big steel axle called the driving shaft.)

Thank you, and as for comparison of cars of today with 30 years ago. Actually there has been numurous changes like introduction of fuel injection systems, lean burn technology, introduction of composite and aluminum material, complete change in designing of compartment safety redefining the concept of the crushable zone, introduction of computer control, etc.

The style of a car really doesn't change that much with the constraints it had then and now.(You know the big hunk of metal called the engine with a big steel axle called the driving shaft.)

Yes I agree that there have been a number of changes and I do recognise that but what I am saying is something that we can really call "evolution" in the motor world. But having seen the funky upcoming designs from Toyota and Honda and their intense R&D, the intense competition in the current motor world, I can see some real evolution in the future.

Inovations doesn't really come every 20 years and even if someone was to come out with a true "Perpetual engine" the chances of it seeing the light of day is slim to none.
The ugly fact is that even if there was something new and great, if there wasn't any powerful advocator to promote the item then the chance of the general populous gaining knowledge of the superiority of the item is slim and with a powerful opposing camp that has conflicting interests with introduction of that something new and great then the chances becomes slimmer.

When it comes to overall car production (both domestic and foreign brands) China has a bit of an edge it seems.


Top 15 motor vehicle producing countries 2006
Motor vehicle production (1000 units)

JAPAN, 11484233
UNITED STATES, 11263986
CHINA, 7188708
GERMANY, 5819614
SOUTH KOREA, 3840102
FRANCE, 3169219
SPAIN, 2777435
BRAZIL, 2611034
CANADA, 2572292
MEXICO, 2045518
INDIA, 2019808
UNITED KINGDOM, 1648388
RUSSIA, 1508358
ITALY, 1211594
THAILAND, 1194426
TURKEY, 987780
BELGIUM, 918056
IRAN, 904500
CZECH REPUBLIC, 854907
POLAND, 714600

source: http://oica.net/category/production-statistics/2006-statistics/

When it comes to overall car production (both domestic and foreign brands) China has a bit of an edge it seems.


Top 15 motor vehicle producing countries 2006
Motor vehicle production (1000 units)

JAPAN, 11484233
UNITED STATES, 11263986
CHINA, 7188708
GERMANY, 5819614
SOUTH KOREA, 3840102
FRANCE, 3169219
SPAIN, 2777435
BRAZIL, 2611034
CANADA, 2572292
MEXICO, 2045518
INDIA, 2019808
UNITED KINGDOM, 1648388
RUSSIA, 1508358
ITALY, 1211594
THAILAND, 1194426
TURKEY, 987780
BELGIUM, 918056
IRAN, 904500
CZECH REPUBLIC, 854907
POLAND, 714600

source: http://oica.net/category/production-statistics/2006-statistics/

cool list, but japan rank 1st, produce more cars than us?
by the way, do you have latest scale of car markets worldwide?

cool list, but japan rank 1st, produce more cars than us?
by the way, do you have latest scale of car markets worldwide?

That's because Japan exports it's cars.
The figure becomes larger if you add Japanese cars built overseas, since Toyota, Nissan, and/or other car manufacturers all have overseas manufacturing facilities.

The largest car market is obviously the United States, second was I think Japan (EU if you consolidate France, Germany, Italy,etc).

^^
I think that the second largest car market is China now.
This year, China will produce near nine million motor vehicles including domestic and foreign brands, increasing 24.5% in comparison to last year. At this pace of growth, China will be top motor vehicle manufacturer within two to three years.

^^ that's not surprising considering of China's large consumer base and fast growing highway network. Do you have data that among the 9 million annual produced vehicles , how much are from domestic manufacturers how many are produced by JVs?

That's because Japan exports it's cars.
The figure becomes larger if you add Japanese cars built overseas, since Toyota, Nissan, and/or other car manufacturers all have overseas manufacturing facilities.

The largest car market is obviously the United States, second was I think Japan (EU if you consolidate France, Germany, Italy,etc).

china has been the 2nd car market.

^^ that's not surprising considering of China's large consumer base and fast growing highway network. Do you have data that among the 9 million annual produced vehicles , how much are from domestic manufacturers how many are produced by JVs?


As for cars, more than 30 percent of them are domestic till 2006, this number is increasing steadily, most of the rest are made by chinese-foreign joint venture such as Shanghai GM & VW.

China's automotive sector right now is like the wild west. In my view, what the Chinese lack is authenticity. Chinese are quite happy copying western designs and using them as their own. Indians on the other for the most part design their own products with alot of research and development. The next generation of Tata's and Mahindra's will definitely be of superior quality then what they offer today, not to mention these companies are actively involved in developing Hybrid and battery technologies to be more eco friendly . Out of the 100 or so manufactrers in China today, probably 10 will be around in the next 25 -30 years. In India, the two indigenous players are Tata and Mahindra. Tata by the way is the second largest commercial vehicle manufacturer in the world, selling vehicles from South America to Africa to Asia, you dont get there by building crap. By that same note I will also admit, Chinese manufacturers are finding their groove and their designs are quite nifty. In the long run Im sure both countries companies will be pretty successful because it is our countries which offer most growth.

China's automotive sector right now is like the wild west. In my view, what the Chinese lack is authenticity. Chinese are quite happy copying western designs and using them as their own. Indians on the other for the most part design their own products with alot of research and development. The next generation of Tata's and Mahindra's will definitely be of superior quality then what they offer today, not to mention these companies are actively involved in developing Hybrid and battery technologies to be more eco friendly . Out of the 100 or so manufactrers in China today, probably 10 will be around in the next 25 -30 years. In India, the two indigenous players are Tata and Mahindra. Tata by the way is the second largest commercial vehicle manufacturer in the world, selling vehicles from South America to Africa to Asia, you dont get there by building crap. By that same note I will also admit, Chinese manufacturers are finding their groove and their designs are quite nifty. In the long run Im sure both countries companies will be pretty successful because it is our countries which offer most growth.

let me guess, you are an indian, correct ? first, you revive both indian cars and chinese cars thread then this india cars vs chinese cars. and you are a new registered user.. so typical.. and you just casted a vote for india , didn't you ? :) have good day

p.s brag much, do little is not a good thing :)

^^many people register new accounts to increase the vote aggregate too....

let me guess, you are an indian, correct ? first, you revive both indian cars and chinese cars thread then this india cars vs chinese cars. and you are a new registered user.. so typical.. and you just casted a vote for india , didn't you ? :) have good day

p.s brag much, do little is not a good thing :)

Of Course I casted a vote for India, Ive never driven a Chinese car in my life, I can talk about Indian cars better then Chinese cars. The problem lies with the Chinese govt, they are so focused on foreign direct investment from around the world, they rather have foreign companies making world class making cars in China and let the indigenous companies suffer. In India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %.

PS : Just because this is the first time you've seen me before dosent mean I haven't been following this thread.

Both are yucky !! yewwww.....

Indian cars only popular in India, a lot of indians drive Tata and Maruti Suzuki. But with the surge of Hyundai, Tata and Maruti will have some hard time there in India. I remember, Tata exported buses to the Caribbean Island not long ago, but end up withdraw out of the market because of sale disaster

Chinese cars are even struggling with foreign competitors to win market shares at home, fighting against Audi, Toyota.... looks like a lost fight, although it is selling ok in Russia and other developing market (Cherry).

One last thing, do Indian cars go through crash tests ? I have been trying to search for some Mahindra and Tata crash tests videos but couldn't find any. The Chinese ones can be easily found due to the fiasco :D :D (lol sorry :D) but to be fair though, they did some improvement. I heard that the Chinese have their own version of EuroNcap something like that and some emission standards (lower than the European standards), but so far I have not heard anything like that from the Indians, or maybe I am not fortunate enough to catch that information ?

I completely agree with Tri-ring. But I don't know why the present cars don't really look different from the cars of 30 years ago, except for some better looking design, and more features for the interior, other than that I don't see any breakthrough in automobile technology lately.

Our standards are the same as Euro Ncap, we really dont have our own rules and regulations, if the Eurpeans change anything, we try and match it. Its the same with Emissions, right now like Euro 4, we have Bharat 4, why re invent the wheel.

Of Course I casted a vote for India, Ive never driven a Chinese car in my life, I can talk about Indian cars better then Chinese cars. The problem lies with the Chinese govt, they are so focused on foreign direct investment from around the world, they rather have foreign companies making world class making cars in China and let the indigenous companies suffer. In India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %.

PS : Just because this is the first time you've seen me before dosent mean I haven't been following this thread.

Geely and Chery are planing to ship car to Europe and to the USA in the near future. Also, GM choose Chery's car to import to the USA.
China has many and many car manufacturers as you have stated earlier due to Chinese entrepreneurship while India only got two monopolistic companies with strong connection with government to create law with high tariff to protect local car company such as Tata and Mahindra from import from USA, Europe and Japan. It is a fact that India has a strong protectionist law to protect local state own and monopolistic India companies from foreign competition. China market is a lot more open than India's one since Chinese car manufacturers have to compete with the rest of the world while India ones are protected through artificial barrier.
Please do a bit more investigation before bragging!
Thank

Our standards are the same as Euro Ncap, we really dont have our own rules and regulations, if the Eurpeans change anything, we try and match it. Its the same with Emissions, right now like Euro 4, we have Bharat 4, why re invent the wheel.

lol sure india has the same standards as europe, is that why indian cars are busy pumping out black sooty fume on the streets of india ? and it is true, there is absolutely no records of indian crash test whatsoever, but the chinese crash tests which is called C-ncap which can be easily found on the net and any video sites. this thread is really pointless, a lot of people here make multiple accounts just to cast some votes, and the voting poll is really not something to care about since the poll does not decide which side will do good, because too many people here make multiple accounts. if you know what iam talking about. nvm iam not here to flame anyway, ok i stop here, i've said all i can, and about chinese r&d work on green technology, automobile tech, you can visit the chinese cars thread, there you can find pictures and articles too, and there are plenty more of chinese latest green automobile tech, if you want to see just pm me, i will provide you the full articles with pictures. i don't want to turn ssc into cars blogs. if someone here just registered new account, just to put down other people and score a few point for their side, then don't expect any good replies

Geely and Chery are planing to ship car to Europe and to the USA in the near future. Also, GM choose Chery's car to import to the USA.
China has many and many car manufacturers as you have stated earlier due to Chinese entrepreneurship while India only got two monopolistic companies with strong connection with government to create law with high tariff to protect local car company such as Tata and Mahindra from import from USA, Europe and Japan. It is a fact that India has a strong protectionist law to protect local state own and monopolistic India companies from foreign competition. China market is a lot more open than India's one since Chinese car manufacturers have to compete with the rest of the world while India ones are protected through artificial barrier.
Please do a bit more investigation before bragging!
Thank

geely is just a big mouth, chery is very careful in this thing, they said they won't be in the us until at 2010 or beyond that until they can satisfy all the standards, they don't want to make any mistakes

Geely and Chery are planing to ship car to Europe and to the USA in the near future. Also, GM choose Chery's car to import to the USA.
China has many and many car manufacturers as you have stated earlier due to Chinese entrepreneurship while India only got two monopolistic companies with strong connection with government to create law with high tariff to protect local car company such as Tata and Mahindra from import from USA, Europe and Japan. It is a fact that India has a strong protectionist law to protect local state own and monopolistic India companies from foreign competition. China market is a lot more open than India's one since Chinese car manufacturers have to compete with the rest of the world while India ones are protected through artificial barrier.
Please do a bit more investigation before bragging!
Thank


Useless discussion but one thing I want to add: Most of the cars that are being sold in India are getting built in India and that includes Toyota, Ford, Mitsubishi, Honda, GM, Hyundai......All the so called high import tax means shit. The fact is that totally foreign made cars hardly make an impact in India even if they are pretty cheap. Any successful car in India is built in India and caters exclusively to India. So the so called protectionism means squat and only applies to very high end models. Toyota sells civic in India at same price as any other "Indian" car. By the way, biggest car manufacturing company in India is Maruti! Mahindra doesn't even have a presence as for as cars are concerned. I guess you can learn thing or two, too!

By the way, both countries make crappy car though who knows what might happen in future.

some iranians told me tata is iranian not indian?

LOL! he is as much Iranian as all humanity African!

Geely and Chery are planing to ship car to Europe and to the USA in the near future. Also, GM choose Chery's car to import to the USA.
China has many and many car manufacturers as you have stated earlier due to Chinese entrepreneurship while India only got two monopolistic companies with strong connection with government to create law with high tariff to protect local car company such as Tata and Mahindra from import from USA, Europe and Japan. It is a fact that India has a strong protectionist law to protect local state own and monopolistic India companies from foreign competition. China market is a lot more open than India's one since Chinese car manufacturers have to compete with the rest of the world while India ones are protected through artificial barrier.
Please do a bit more investigation before bragging!
Thank

If India had a protectionist govt then I dont think other players would have been allowed to come in, the market in India is quite competitive without govt interference. Tata and Mahindra are anything but monopolistic. India has a high tariffs on imports not local manufacture. You would do well without some bragging and lot more investigation. Regarding Chinese entrepreneurship, its like what America was in the 30's, lot more manufacturers then today. The ones with true grit will survive, the others will fall just like plymouth, oldsmobile, auburn and a host of others that just couldn't cut it. You cant tell me that all Chinese manufacturers are absolutely the best, Ill bet Brilliance and Chery are better then most, with better quality control and deeper pockets to innovate. It is you who needs to understand the dynamics of the automotive market. I know the automotive market pretty well thank you very much.

By the way, both countries make crappy car though who knows what might happen in future.

Sure that coming from a guy who lives in the same country that made the Buick Roadmaster, the Cadillac Cimarron, The Ford Tempo, pinto, edsel and a host of other massive nastiness. Its a learning curve boyo, by the time you have some facial hair your first choice will definitely be a Tata or a Chery.

Sure that coming from a guy who lives in the same country that made the Buick Roadmaster, the Cadillac Cimarron, The Ford Tempo, pinto, edsel and a host of other massive nastiness. Its a learning curve boyo, by the time you have some facial hair your first choice will definitely be a Tata or a Chery.

This is a quick asssumption, European, Japanese cars are so way ahead of both Indian and Chinese cars, I don't know how long it will take them to catch up, let alone surpassing them

This is a quick asssumption, European, Japanese cars are so way ahead of both Indian and Chinese cars, I don't know how long it will take them to catch up, let alone surpassing them

True, but European and Japanese cars are also quite expensive, Americans buy 10 Hyundais and Kia's to every 1 VW. Plus not to mention just because European cars are good dosent mean they are very reliable, Hyundai beat out Mercedes and VW in a JD power survey. What I meant about Tata or Brilliance is quite true. By the way Mahindra from India is the 4th largest tractor company in the US, and they are planning on selling their pick up trucks there from 2008. Hyundai took about 10 years to play catch up to Japanese companies, we might take another 10 years but we will be there, maybe even sooner.

If India had a protectionist govt then I dont think other players would have been allowed to come in, the market in India is quite competitive without govt interference. Tata and Mahindra are anything but monopolistic. India has a high tariffs on imports not local manufacture. You would do well without some bragging and lot more investigation. Regarding Chinese entrepreneurship, its like what America was in the 30's, lot more manufacturers then today. The ones with true grit will survive, the others will fall just like plymouth, oldsmobile, auburn and a host of others that just couldn't cut it. You cant tell me that all Chinese manufacturers are absolutely the best, Ill bet Brilliance and Chery are better then most, with better quality control and deeper pockets to innovate. It is you who needs to understand the dynamics of the automotive market. I know the automotive market pretty well thank you very much.

Here your quote Mr. VikramRao
"India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %."

Indian government favor India companies so that why there is protectionist barrier to favor them in the first place.
Also, what so innovative about India companies that you claim while Chinese companies lack any innovation? You said that India companies are everywhere? Where? I did not see any Tata or Maruti car when I was in Europe, Latin America or the USA.. What brand name of electronic from India is everywhere as you are implying?

You don't riff stuff, then why some of your generic drug companies are being sue for ripping off foreign pharmaceutical companies like this link prove
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2007/12/indian_pharma_i.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=azwPSJhfHXfM&refer=india

Also, there is a lot of pirated good in India as well not only in China.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6950175.stm

I have never said that all the Chinese industries will survive an only the strong ones will make so stop putting word on my mouth.
Chinese companies got a long way to go and no one in China will tell you otherwise..

Here your quote Mr. VikramRao
"India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %."

Indian government favor India companies so that why there is protectionist barrier to favor them in the first place.
Also, what so innovative about India companies that you claim while Chinese companies lack any innovation? You said that India companies are everywhere? Where? I did not see any Tata or Maruti car when I was in Europe, Latin America or the USA.. What brand name of electronic from India is everywhere as you are implying?

You don't riff stuff, then why some of your generic drug companies are being sue for ripping off foreign pharmaceutical companies like this link prove
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2007/12/indian_pharma_i.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=azwPSJhfHXfM&refer=india

Also, there is a lot of pirated good in India as well not only in China.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6950175.stm

I have never said that all the Chinese industries will survive an only the strong ones will make so stop putting word on my mouth.
Chinese companies got a long way to go and no one in China will tell you otherwise..


lol this is seriously off-topic, if I am not wrong this thread is about cars.

Indian auto indutry could be stronger than Chinese one, but it seems that there is a generation gap if you take a look at the cars running on the streets of India and compare them to the cars running on the streets of China.

[QUOTE=AlexS2000;17129455]Here your quote Mr. VikramRao
"India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %."

Indian government favor India companies so that why there is protectionist barrier to favor them in the first place.
Also, what so innovative about India companies that you claim while Chinese companies lack any innovation? You said that India companies are everywhere? Where? I did not see any Tata or Maruti car when I was in Europe, Latin America or the USA.. What brand name of electronic from India is everywhere as you are implying?

You don't riff stuff, then why some of your generic drug companies are being sue for ripping off foreign pharmaceutical companies like this link prove
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2007/12/indian_pharma_i.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=azwPSJhfHXfM&refer=india

Also, there is a lot of pirated good in India as well not only in China.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6950175.stm

I have never said that all the Chinese industries will survive an only the strong ones will make so stop putting word on my mouth.
Chinese companies got a long way to go and no one in China will tell you otherwise..[/QUOTE

Indian companies are everywhere, come here to the US and see the amount of Indian companies listed on the Nasdaq and the amount of Indian companies which have their north american head quarters here. Have you heard of Tata Consultancy services, or Infosys or Wipro ? If not go and do a little research on Business week. The world I used to describe Chinese cars was not lack of INNOVATION but lack of Authenticity, read it correctly. Look at some of the designs of Chinese cars on various threads and tell me they are not fucking rip offs of designs of more established players.

[QUOTE=AlexS2000;17129455]Here your quote Mr. VikramRao
"India its the complete opposite, the Indian government favors Indian companies (not just in the Automotive industry but also Indian companies in many spheres) and thats why you see Indian companies everywhere. Our designs might be a little off but our stuff is good, quality engineering and more important...we do not rip stuff off, and please do not tell me that Chinese companies are original in their outlook, other Chinese car threads prove my point 100 %."

Indian government favor India companies so that why there is protectionist barrier to favor them in the first place.
Also, what so innovative about India companies that you claim while Chinese companies lack any innovation? You said that India companies are everywhere? Where? I did not see any Tata or Maruti car when I was in Europe, Latin America or the USA.. What brand name of electronic from India is everywhere as you are implying?

You don't riff stuff, then why some of your generic drug companies are being sue for ripping off foreign pharmaceutical companies like this link prove
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2007/12/indian_pharma_i.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=azwPSJhfHXfM&refer=india

Also, there is a lot of pirated good in India as well not only in China.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6950175.stm

I have never said that all the Chinese industries will survive an only the strong ones will make so stop putting word on my mouth.
Chinese companies got a long way to go and no one in China will tell you otherwise..[/QUOTE

Indian companies are everywhere, come here to the US and see the amount of Indian companies listed on the Nasdaq and the amount of Indian companies which have their north american head quarters here. Have you heard of Tata Consultancy services, or Infosys or Wipro ? If not go and do a little research on Business week. The world I used to describe Chinese cars was not lack of INNOVATION but lack of Authenticity, read it correctly. Look at some of the designs of Chinese cars on various threads and tell me they are not fucking rip offs of designs of more established players.

"india goverment favors india company" that's maybe one of the reason india lag behind.

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"india goverment favors india company" that's maybe one of the reason india lag behind.

China has a 10-15 year head start on India sure we lag behind. All I know Indian multinationals are giving more established players here in the west a good run for their money, be it govt protection or not, Im happy to see my country up in lights. The top 40 chinese billionaires still dont match Indias top 3, thats wealth creation in the last 10-15 years for us. So before you start ripping me a new one, maybe you should consider that.

China has a 10-15 year head start on India sure we lag behind. All I know Indian multinationals are giving more established players here in the west a good run for their money, be it govt protection or not, Im happy to see my country up in lights. The top 40 chinese billionaires still dont match Indias top 3, thats wealth creation in the last 10-15 years for us. So before you start ripping me a new one, maybe you should consider that.

If getting lawsuit such from Western pharmaceutical player is giving "established player" a run for the money, well yes that is correct ;-)

So in India got the wealth accumulated to only 3 people while in China the wealth is more evenly spread. Well that is fine with me!

Here your quote Mr. VikramRao


Indian companies are everywhere, come here to the US and see the amount of Indian companies listed on the Nasdaq and the amount of Indian companies which have their north american head quarters here. Have you heard of Tata Consultancy services, or Infosys or Wipro ? If not go and do a little research on Business week. The world I used to describe Chinese cars was not lack of INNOVATION but lack of Authenticity, read it correctly. Look at some of the designs of Chinese cars on various threads and tell me they are not fucking rip offs of designs of more established players.

You have just mentioned IT companies that is all you have to say?
I am talking about car companies and not IT companies but if you insist here I go
Lenovo is the third PC manufacturer in the World.
TCL is among the biggest TV producer in the world.
Huawei and ZTC are competing with Cisco.
Brillaince, Geely, Lifan, Chery already exporting car to many part of the world and start to enter Europe and eventually the USA.

P.S The sentence I used is "Chinese companies got a long way to go and no one in China will tell you otherwise.."
Well, it was fun chatting with you but I guess this is it for me so feel free to say whatever make you feel high!

If getting lawsuit such from Western pharmaceutical player is giving "established player" a run for the money, well yes that is correct ;-)

So in India got the wealth accumulated to only 3 people while in China the wealth is more evenly spread. Well that is fine with me!

hey alex your a dumbass if you think wealth in China is evenly spread.

hey alex your a dumbass if you think wealth in China is evenly spread.

Exactly thank you very much

hey alex your a dumbass if you think wealth in China is evenly spread.

That was just sarcasm in case that you missed the point!

People please ignore VikramRao. He/she has created this new account purely for trolling. By the way jackass VikramRao, I am from India.

Indian companies are everywhere, come here to the US and see the amount of Indian companies listed on the Nasdaq and the amount of Indian companies which have their north american head quarters here. Have you heard of Tata Consultancy services, or Infosys or Wipro ? If not go and do a little research on Business week. The world I used to describe Chinese cars was not lack of INNOVATION but lack of Authenticity, read it correctly. Look at some of the designs of Chinese cars on various threads and tell me they are not fucking rip offs of designs of more established players.


Yeah, Indian companies are innovators and Chinese companies are just copycats; Indian companies are everywhere and Chinese companies just stay home. A recent poll shows that a high percentage of Indians believe that India is now the second most powerful country in the world and India will be the most powerful country in the world in 20 years, but the poll also shows that no other country ranks India as a power now and no other country ranks India as most powerful country in 20 years.

It is damn wrong if you think that economy is all about IT service and call centers.

The cars running and competing with cows for traffic right on the streets of India are reminiscent of the cars of 1960s in other countries. It is embarrassing for me to mention the rank of Indian export. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2078rank.html

Indians also boast its great education system, but 50% Indian women are illiterate. The highest rank of India in the history of International Math Olympia was seventh and it was ranked much lower in most of the years. http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx Damn, I don't remember India ever got one gold medal in Olympic Game in recent years and I hope it will get one next year in Beijing. If India really likes to compete with other countries, sport stadiums are the best places to go because the ranks are clearly determined there.

Yeah, India financial sector is doing great. But one bank of China is worth much more than all India's banks put together.
http://in.rediff.com/money/2007/feb/24guest4.htm

China adds 70 million tons of steel production this year and total steel output will be near 500 million tons. Indian total steel production is about 53 million tons this year.
http://www.steelonthenet.com/production.html

Machine tool consumption of India is less than 10% of that of China.
http://www.gardnerweb.com/consump/consume.html

After all, car manufacturing is largely about steel and how to process and machine steel. How can India be compared to China in this area? This thread is stupid and it is an insult to China.

The more you want to showoff, the uglier it is going to be if I start writting here.

Yeah, Indian companies are everywhere and Chinese are just copycat. A poll shows that Indians believe that India is the second most powerful country in the world now and India will be the most powerful country in the world in 20 years.

But the poll also shows that no other country ranks India as a power now and no other country ranks India as most powerful country in 20 years.

The cars running and competing with cows for traffic right on the streets of India are reminiscent of the cars of 1960s in other countries. It is embarrassment for me to mention the rank of Indian export. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2078rank.html

Indians also boast its great education system, but 50% Indian women are illiterate. The highest rank of India in the history of International Math Olympia was seventh and it was ranked much lower in most of the years. Damn, I don't remember India has ever got one gold medal in Olympic Game and I hope it will get one next year in Beijing.

China adds 70 million tons of steel production this year and total steel output will be near 500 million tons. While Indian total steel production is about 53 million tons this year.
http://www.steelonthenet.com/production.html

Machine tool consumption of India is less than 10% of that of China.
http://www.gardnerweb.com/consump/consume.html

After all, car manufacturing is largely about steel and how to process and machine steel. How can India be compared to China in this area? This thread is stupid and it is an insult to China.

WTF !! you are openly insulting another country, that is just that vickram opinions, you don't have to go extreme, hey hey let's stop it here. This thread is really out of order.

China is still a developing country as well you know.

^^I am an Indian but I do understand why Vagabond is pissed. It only takes one troll to make a thread shit. Mods should ban this VikramRao since he is only trolling on this forum.

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Sorry for being too harsh. I think that some Indians are overly optimistic and unrealistic, and that will only be detrimental to India's future development. I hope that India can accelerate its development and get what it deserves as one of the oldest civilizations.

china is not the ultimate competitor of india, india is not china's too, the comparsion is damn insignificant about auto industry, done

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Sorry for being too harsh. I think that some Indians are overly optimistic and unrealistic, and that will only be detrimental to India's future development. I hope that India can accelerate its development and get what it deserves as one of the oldest civilizations.

First of all we are not as optimistic as it seems. I am actually from India and we know our conditions are bad, but they are optimistic towards the future not right now. And Vagabond, please do not insult my country, just because vikram is an idiot. It is because of people like him why India suffers, but that will change soon. Thank You :)

Indian manufacturers produce cars for the vast majority of the populations, for the millions of the middle income group and not for the select few rich people.....Thats why the cars dont match world standards. Its not a big deal for any car manufacturer to add luxury items like leather seats, GPS, heated seats, etc. Mercedes Benz used Tata's plant for manufacturing their cars for so many years.

The high end market has been left to the foreign car companies which hardly sell 1000-2000 cars a year, while Tata's and Maruti/ Mahindra's sell almost a million cars in a year...

Once the market mature's, then Tata's can also think of designing and producing luxury cars which cost 10 times more than an average Tata Indica.
Even a simple Honda Civic costs abt Rs 11 lakhs, built in India and not assembled which is 3 times the cost of an Indica ( Rs 3.5 lakh on road)

1 lac = 100,000.

Indian manufacturers produce cars for the vast majority of the populations, for the millions of the middle income group and not for the select few rich people.....Thats why the cars dont match world standards. Its not a big deal for any car manufacturer to add luxury items like leather seats, GPS, heated seats, etc. Mercedes Benz used Tata's plant for manufacturing their cars for so many years.

The high end market has been left to the foreign car companies which hardly sell 1000-2000 cars a year, while Tata's and Maruti/ Mahindra's sell almost a million cars in a year...

Once the market mature's, then Tata's can also think of designing and producing luxury cars which cost 10 times more than an average Tata Indica.
Even a simple Honda Civic costs abt Rs 11 lakhs, built in India and not assembled which is 3 times the cost of an Indica ( Rs 3.5 lakh on road)

1 lac = 100,000.

thanks for you information.

none!! i think!

to be honest i wound never buy a chinese / indian unless its in 2050 XD

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/worldbusiness/18tata.html?_r=1&ref=asia&oref=slogin

none!! i think!

to be honest i wound never buy a chinese / indian unless its in 2050 XD

when it's 2050, who would drive a car yet? funny

^^

yeah,i'm sure you can fly by then

People please ignore VikramRao. He/she has created this new account purely for trolling. By the way jackass VikramRao, I am from India.

well if youre from India tytler, youd know Vikram is a he. dumbass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/business/worldbusiness/18tata.html?_r=1&ref=asia&oref=slogin

Shivy youre the idiot, you just proved my point about Indian companies by posting that link to the NY times. People think Im turning this into an Indian VS China thing, not true, Im airing my opinions, if someone dosent like it they can air their opinions not attack me and call me names. I dont know about most of you, but I live in a free society where I can say what I feel. I have alot of Chinese friends and I really do enjoy their culture and cuisine and yes I do have stuff in my home thats made in China. So please spare me the troll routine and stop calling for the mods.

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Both countries dont make very good cars, but we all hope both countries will soon join Japan, America and Germany (and Korea) at the top soon enough. Topic closed.

well if youre from India tytler, youd know Vikram is a he. dumbass.

Please quit it with this nationalist garbage. For now, I can say that both countries do not make good cars. I would never buy an Indian car over a Japanese, German or American one. Same with a Chinese car. However, I am sure that China does have a stronger automotive industry than India, due to the pure volume of car production and higher test standards. Maybe India will catch up in the future, but it would be better if right now we didn't make this comparison. Both countries have a long way to go.

Oh and I'm Indian by the way, and so is tytler. Just thought I'd let ya know.

I have alot of Chinese friends and I really do enjoy their culture and cuisine and yes I do have stuff in my home thats made in China.

Good for you, everybody has stuff in their homes that is made in China, and what, do you expect us to applaud you for having Chinese friends? Well I will, just to nurture you a bit :applause:

However you are misinformed about the Chinese automotive industry and have only seen one side of the coin. I too have seen Indian automotives first hand, and they are a lot better than people credit them for, but Im sure that Chinese ones are better although I don't know if the industry is progressing as quickly.

Time will tell, but for now its too early to make bogus conclusions.

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Both countries dont make very good cars, but we all hope both countries will soon join Japan, America and Germany (and Korea) at the top soon enough. Topic closed.



Please quit it with this nationalist garbage. For now, I can say that both countries do not make good cars. I would never buy an Indian car over a Japanese, German or American one. Same with a Chinese car. However, I am sure that China does have a stronger automotive industry than India, due to the pure volume of car production and higher test standards. Maybe India will catch up in the future, but it would be better if right now we didn't make this comparison. Both countries have a long way to go.

Oh and I'm Indian by the way, and so is tytler. Just thought I'd let ya know.



Good for you, everybody has stuff in their homes that is made in China, and what, do you expect us to applaud you for having Chinese friends? Well I will, just to nurture you a bit :applause:

However you are misinformed about the Chinese automotive industry and have only seen one side of the coin. I too have seen Indian automotives first hand, and they are a lot better than people credit them for, but Im sure that Chinese ones are better although I don't know if the industry is progressing as quickly.

Time will tell, but for now its too early to make bogus conclusions.

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one thing i can tell you for sure is that you can take your Canadian condescension and shove it where the good lord split ya.