"Arsenal Beats Chelsea, Manchester United With Asset-Backed Debt"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=apHqn1NSiWUs&refer=uk

Hi was wondering if someone could explain what asset backed debt is, in simple terms. thanks.

I am a person of Middle Class background and yes that's right when I go to games I actually make an effort to create an exilerating atmosphere ( I suppose you've never heard of that before eh Tocino. I thrive for that atmosphere, and I get very passionate about the game. I can understand your upset with the lack of contributors to atmosphere these days, but you have to understand that people who want to sit there and do nothing then that's there right's as a human being. Personnaly If I had a choise I would convert 10,000 of the seats at the new ground to 20,000 standing positions, it would probably enhance the atmosphere while offering diversity for everyone while still having the fancy gadgets like the jumbotrons. If I had to pick which which part of the ground I would be in - I would probably pick the standing area as thats probably the area were you will get the best "footballing experiences".
For the most part I have to agree with you on this issue. It bothers me that the entire middle tier of the stadium only had 6,700 seats with the cheapest costing 2,500 GBP per season. Converting them to regular seats would allow more people in the stadium and make them more affordable (let alone converting it to standing area). The only good thing about it is that Arsenal say they expect to make more money from these club seats along with their luxury boxes than most clubs make from their entire gate receipts. And what's good for Arsenal is good for me.

Regarding the red seats at AG. I think the colour looks great, and what a nice change to see a stadium WITHOUT those tacky club names etc. spelt out in various colours!

Hi was wondering if someone could explain what asset backed debt is, in simple terms. thanks.

use google oder wikipedia with "asset backed securities" and you'll find what you need.

From the club webcam it looks like they are installing the electronic advertisement boards. Nothing appears to be happening around the dugout area, does anyone have any knowledge on this?

they are going to paint the stairs white some of them have been done already, and thought they put the lettering on after.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=402516&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Emirates+Stadium+lights+up+-+Picture+special

http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_1.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_2.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_3.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_4.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_5.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_6.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_7.jpg http://www.arsenal.com/images/e/emirates12072006_8.jpg

y couldnt they have an emirates logo or atleast nike logo with the seats! a bit of contrast with some white seats would have been good but overall the stadium is looking great

found some pictures:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9161/thegroveatnight4ju7jh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7470/front7tl2qv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

yeah disapointed about not having white seats but the white stairs are nice. Anybody notice that the club badge is the only arsenal thing on the stadium. (if you get what im saying)

looks magneficent! Cant wait to see Liverpool win there :)

Can't wait 'till I'm there. :D

taken from the UK forum

Please lets not get into the rivalry thing here, its ruined enough emirates threads. The wallpaper section in the Arse site has been updated. Click Here (http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=the+club&article=402261&lid=Emirates+Stadium&Title=Emirates+Stadium+Wallpaper)

This is my Favourite. You can find the bigger version on the site.

http://www.arsenal.com/images/wallpapers/emirateswallpaper8_800.jpg

^^ ^^ ^^

Now that's fecking impressive!

but will the roof cover those front seats... i ain't exactly sure..

but will the roof cover those front seats... i ain't exactly sure..

http://i72.imagethrust.com/t/163904/cover.gif (http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/GDC/view-image/cover.html)

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5740/joess013cw9.jpg
From Diamond level.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9660/joess002td9.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7561/joess025qc7.jpg

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5855/joess020uo1.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5426/joess009jt9.jpg
From inside a box

Posted by some guy called 'Jester'...this guy VVV

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3231/joess026wg4.jpg

Wooow! Looking great! :D

These pics come courtsey of Ashburton Babe on Arsenal Mania

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/b053cfcc-P7160017_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/9d7b5d8e-P7160009_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/51c60e67-P7160003_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/00ffc412-P7160001_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/a6d357be-P7160002_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/39af279d-P7160007_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/5b555679-P7160013_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/09c5d4da-P7160008_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/cbc639d3-P7160006_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/8c609a43-P7160015_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/9ee7d8e2-P7160010_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/f1c91390-P7160011_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/54fe215e-P7160021_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/e6ed84d8-P7160023_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/95185859-P7160024_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/be4b2e2b-P7160014_JPG.jpg

http://www.slibe.com/fullimage/077946c3-P7160019_JPG.jpg

I always think a stadium looks best like this, just completed, before they put all the advertising everywhere, you can better see the details this way

Which lucky bastards are going to the member's day on Thursday and Bergkamp's testimonial? A friendly

WHICH IS A FUCKING SELL OUT!!!!!!

the friendly is being shown on channel 5 on saturday just in case no one knew

...

@asdfg

you posted pics of the stadium with the seat covers still on? wen ther are already pics with them taken off? u might aswell delete them from ur post :)

yeh dude..they're old

WHICH IS A FUCKING SELL OUT!!!!!!

Did you expect anything less with it being Bergkamp...

http://hybridspecies.co.uk/rewkeonline/18jul4pm.jpg

Click Here (http://flickr.com/search/?q=emirates+stadium&s=rec)
More pics

Looks absolutely stunning! European Clubs playing at Emirates might start to get the impression that Arsenal is a big European Club. Can't wait for a televised match there.

Looks absolutely stunning! European Clubs playing at Emirates might start to get the impression that Arsenal is a big European Club. Can't wait for a televised match there.
Why must they get an "impression"? Arsenal is already a BIG EUROPEAN CLUB, they reached the final of the champs league last season!

lol he really is a lost boy

Why must they get an "impression"? Arsenal is already a BIG EUROPEAN CLUB, they reached the final of the champs league last season!

I think the point that Lostboy was trying to make was that Highbury gave people the impression that Arsenal is not a big club.

That and their European Performances have been well under par (with the exception of last year). This season was the first in a long time, when Arsenal were not in the top three, indeed they have been used to being either first or second for many years, but they have also been used to underperforming in Europe, a reasonable Alan Smith goal in 1994 against Parma doen't change that, and consequently a lot of people on the European Continent (quite justifiably) didn't consider them to be one of England's better teams (whilst still fearing Liverpool, despite years in the wilderness in the nineties, and the fact they haven't looked like seriously winning a title for many years now). And when teams would play against Arsenal in Europe, and had to go to a Tom Cruise Stadium (Handsome but small) it made Arsenal look positively provincial.

Both this new stadium, and being a European Finalist will change this though.

Didn't realise Arsenal Fans were quite that sensitive, to what after all was a compliment to your stadium.

Check these videos of the interior and exterior of emirates stadium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFgJq6FDPNU&NR

Check these videos of the interior and exterior of emirates stadium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFgJq6FDPNU&NR

great link. it really is looking big, classy and imposing, and will be a credit to our possible world cup 2018 bid.

here's another good clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHShPLNskEE&mode=related&search=

Arsenal fans must be shitting themselves with glee

new pics
http://www.kodakgallery.co.uk/Slideshow.jsp?collid=18419265633.254960631133.1153384324643&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1&collid_list=18419265633.254960631133.1153384324643:&img_size=5&trans_delay=3000&trans_enabled=true&conn_speed=1&mode=fromshare&Upost_signin_override_collid=18419265633.254960631133&localeid=en_GB

new pics
http://www.kodakgallery.co.uk/Slideshow.jsp?collid=18419265633.254960631133.1153384324643&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1&collid_list=18419265633.254960631133.1153384324643:&img_size=5&trans_delay=3000&trans_enabled=true&conn_speed=1&mode=fromshare&Upost_signin_override_collid=18419265633.254960631133&localeid=en_GB

couldn't open the link tv123: can you post the pics up?

Goddamn in those vid clips the stadium is looking fucking classy. The webcam is showing a match at the moment, I think its the members day thing

^^its not a match...its the arsenal players at training in the stadium for the first time

http://www.sportbox.tv/images/actionimages/football/2006/07/20/1153399427_spt_ai01_arsenal_training.gif

http://www.sportbox.tv/images/actionimages/football/2006/07/20/1153400030_spt_ai06_arsenal_training.gif

http://www.sportbox.tv/images/actionimages/football/2006/07/20/1153399817_spt_ai04_arsenal_training.gif

i dont know why but the link doesnt work for me aswell
anyway i have some pics
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/189615/emi1.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/189616/emi2.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/189617/emi3.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/189619/emi5.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/189618/emi4.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)

Check out the new pics posted on flickr
http://flickr.com/search/?q=emirates+stadium&s=rec

Here are also some pics from Getty
Click Here (http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState%7c0%7c1%7c0%7c28%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c1%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c71463793%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c%7c%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0&p=2&tag=1)

a Tom Cruise Stadium (Handsome but small)

And very very famous.

Some videos on youtube found tv123. Some bloke going round the Woolwich's new stadium.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrF...rates%20stadium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlKv...rates%20stadium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFgJ...rates%20stadium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3CL...rates%20stadium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHSh...rates%20stadium

Am going to Bergkamp's testimonial! Behind a goal end.
Will they sing the Highbury chant??

Did anyone else watch the report on skysports news on Arsenal's first training session at the Emirates Stadium, looked great.

Was "Freddie" there?

umm i dont think he was

Was "Freddie" there?

I doubt it. he might be on Holiday. Carrick, Jenas, Robinson and Lennon are all on Holiday at the moment and will be back on Monday. "Freddie" could be on holiday like the England lads are.

We got the best stadium, in the world!
We got the best stadium, in the world!
We got the best stadium, in the world!
We got the best stadium, in the world! EMIRATES!!

Question: What do you do if a Chelsea fan takes the piss out of your shirt sponsor?
A: You reply gleefully pointing at your chest, BEST STADIUM! BEST STADIUM in London!

Question: What do you do if a Chelsea fan takes the piss out of your shirt sponsor?
A: You reply gleefully pointing at your chest, BEST STADIUM! BEST STADIUM in London!

And what do you do when he/she says Champions? ;)

When it comes down to banter its all about what happens on the pitch nothing else most of the time.

Question: What do you do if a Chelsea fan takes the piss out of your shirt sponsor?
A: You reply gleefully pointing at your chest, BEST STADIUM! BEST STADIUM in London!

except that your chest doesn't say Wembley Stadium

I love this stadium though i wish the middle tier was twice as large adding another 8;000 seat or so. A 60'000 seater is the top end of medium and 70'000 seater is the bottom end of large, Arsenal deserved a large stadium.

And what do you do when he/she says Champions? ;)

When it comes down to banter its all about what happens on the pitch nothing else most of the time.

Couldn't care less at the moment

except that your chest doesn't say Wembley Stadium

I did consider this, but then Wembley isn't open for another 7 or 8 months anyway, so at least Emirates IS the best stadium in London for the time being

Found this to be a good read. Just shows that football isn't the working class's game anymore. No wonder a few atmospheres have left clubs.

Arse*** build a bond with the prawn sandwich club
By : Mihir Bose, 13/07/2006, Daily telegraph
No place like home: Arse*** manager Arsene Wenger poses outside the Emirates stadium

Arse***'s Emirates Stadium is to be the home for a more upmarket breed of what Roy Keane calls the "prawn sandwich brigade". The ordinary supporters will fill more seats of the Emirates Stadium but their wallets will count for much less. In moving to the new stadium, the club are in effect putting themselves in hock to the extremely rich.

This is made clear in the offer document seen by The Daily Telegraph, regarding the bond that Arse*** are issuing to refinance the £260 million they borrowed from six banks to complete the stadium.

In order to get the bond Arse*** have had to agree to twice-yearly solvency tests, in September and March, and to forecast how much they will spend on transfers.

They say they will keep net transfer spending to £12 million a year for the next three years.

If, after that, they finish mid-table, then in the 2009-10 and 2011-12 seasons, transfer spend will drop to £5 million net a year. Arse*** have not been big transfer spenders. Their average net spend over the last five years, ending in 2004-05, was £8.4 million a year. This compares with Tottenham's £9.6m, Manchester United's £17.9m, Liverpool £14.5m and Cheat$ki's £60.3m.


Unlike Leeds, who had a similar bond, not all Arse*** players are on long-term contracts and Paul Crawford, of City credit-rating agency Fitch, told me: "Leeds had all their players on long-term contracts, so when things went wrong they still had to pay the salaries even of players who had been sold. Arse*** have a mixture of contracts and, should on-field performances deteriorate, they can use the staggered renewal dates to reduce salaries."

The new bond is secured against ticket income but Arse*** have also pledged everything else, such as broadcast and commercial income, should ticket income prove insufficient.

An analysis of the offer document shows that while the stadium will seat 60,000, just 9,253 of those supporters sitting in the box, Diamond Club and club-level seats will provide 43 per cent of the total income of £76 million from ticket receipts. This means that each Arse*** member of the "prawn sandwich brigade" will provide more than four times the income of the ordinary supporter. This explains why Arse*** chose a stadium within a mile of the City of London and its corporate market rather than cheaper sites on the fringes of the M25.

The most prestigious seats are the 168 Diamond Club seats sold on an invitation-only basis. According to Fitch, the offering is "unprecedented in English football stadium history". Raymond Blanc, the Michelin-starred chef who runs the Le Manoir aux Quat'Saisons restaurant in Oxford and a cookery school, will be the chef directing the restaurant at the Diamond Club. Blanc is famous for saying that "when you cook, it should be an act of love" and "to put a frozen bag in a microwave for your child is an act of hate". Arse***'s Diamond Club members can expect more of an act of love.

In the Diamond Club it costs £25,000 for a one-off membership fee and £25,000 a year for a pair of season tickets. Then come the 150 executive boxes, the largest in any European ground. All members of the boxes will have reserved car parking with their own private lift, avoiding contact with the ordinary supporters.

Just below the executive boxes are the club-level seats, in the same tier as the directors' box. Arse*** say that the positioning has been determined to provide the best sightlines in the stadium. This level will not benefit from Raymond Blanc cuisine but there will be dedicated bars, lounge areas and seated dining, as well as a dedicated entrance, separate from general admission, and free drinks at half-time.

And what do you do when he/she says Champions? ;)

When it comes down to banter its all about what happens on the pitch nothing else most of the time.

We'd tell em that in addition to 13 League Championships we have also won 10 FA Cups and narrowly missed out on the European Cup.
So for the mean time we still have London's Largest Trophy Cabinet. Although it's completely possible they may turn us over, they have a lot to do... if we win the League next year they would be 11 years behind us. My worst fear is if they win the European Cup/Hatrick of League titles, though my philosephy is that while money helps your form in League games it doesn't always mean you will win in the Cup competitions. So it's all an open game. Who'd have thought of Arsenal going 10 Games without conceeding a goal in Europe. That's the kind of form you need.

Found this to be a good read. Just shows that football isn't the working class's game anymore. No wonder a few atmospheres have left clubs.

Arse*** build a bond with the prawn sandwich club
By : Mihir Bose, 13/07/2006, Daily telegraph
No place like home: Arse*** manager Arsene Wenger poses outside the Emirates stadium

Arse***'s Emirates Stadium is to be the home for a more upmarket breed of what Roy Keane calls the "prawn sandwich brigade". The ordinary supporters will fill more seats of the Emirates Stadium but their wallets will count for much less. In moving to the new stadium, the club are in effect putting themselves in hock to the extremely rich.

This is made clear in the offer document seen by The Daily Telegraph, regarding the bond that Arse*** are issuing to refinance the £260 million they borrowed from six banks to complete the stadium.

In order to get the bond Arse*** have had to agree to twice-yearly solvency tests, in September and March, and to forecast how much they will spend on transfers.

They say they will keep net transfer spending to £12 million a year for the next three years.

If, after that, they finish mid-table, then in the 2009-10 and 2011-12 seasons, transfer spend will drop to £5 million net a year. Arse*** have not been big transfer spenders. Their average net spend over the last five years, ending in 2004-05, was £8.4 million a year. This compares with Tottenham's £9.6m, Manchester United's £17.9m, Liverpool £14.5m and Cheat$ki's £60.3m.


Unlike Leeds, who had a similar bond, not all Arse*** players are on long-term contracts and Paul Crawford, of City credit-rating agency Fitch, told me: "Leeds had all their players on long-term contracts, so when things went wrong they still had to pay the salaries even of players who had been sold. Arse*** have a mixture of contracts and, should on-field performances deteriorate, they can use the staggered renewal dates to reduce salaries."

The new bond is secured against ticket income but Arse*** have also pledged everything else, such as broadcast and commercial income, should ticket income prove insufficient.

An analysis of the offer document shows that while the stadium will seat 60,000, just 9,253 of those supporters sitting in the box, Diamond Club and club-level seats will provide 43 per cent of the total income of £76 million from ticket receipts. This means that each Arse*** member of the "prawn sandwich brigade" will provide more than four times the income of the ordinary supporter. This explains why Arse*** chose a stadium within a mile of the City of London and its corporate market rather than cheaper sites on the fringes of the M25.

The most prestigious seats are the 168 Diamond Club seats sold on an invitation-only basis. According to Fitch, the offering is "unprecedented in English football stadium history". Raymond Blanc, the Michelin-starred chef who runs the Le Manoir aux Quat'Saisons restaurant in Oxford and a cookery school, will be the chef directing the restaurant at the Diamond Club. Blanc is famous for saying that "when you cook, it should be an act of love" and "to put a frozen bag in a microwave for your child is an act of hate". Arse***'s Diamond Club members can expect more of an act of love.

In the Diamond Club it costs £25,000 for a one-off membership fee and £25,000 a year for a pair of season tickets. Then come the 150 executive boxes, the largest in any European ground. All members of the boxes will have reserved car parking with their own private lift, avoiding contact with the ordinary supporters.

Just below the executive boxes are the club-level seats, in the same tier as the directors' box. Arse*** say that the positioning has been determined to provide the best sightlines in the stadium. This level will not benefit from Raymond Blanc cuisine but there will be dedicated bars, lounge areas and seated dining, as well as a dedicated entrance, separate from general admission, and free drinks at half-time.

He's a Spurs fan if I am not mistaken.

1. It will increase our gate revenue from 35 Million to around £85 Million, not 76 Million. A club OFFICIAL said it would be around about a £50 Million increase. some even put it as high as £90 Million or even £100 Million!!!!

2. I know, it's astronomically priced, bring back the terraces!!!

I did consider this, but then Wembley isn't open for another 7 or 8 months anyway, so at least Emirates IS the best stadium in London for the time being
and then comes the olympic stadium..but who knows what that will turn out to look like...

Bose is a spurs fan

Edelman said the gate revenue will be 4Xs the amount of the repeymant
Highburys gate revenue was 35m
Ashburtons will be 90m
annaul repeymant-25m(it can be lower)
stadium maintance cost-max 15m(it will be much lower)
90-25-15=50m

50m-35m=15m
average net spend in 2004-05 was £8.4 million a year
8+15=23m
Manchester United - £18m

Bose is a spurs fan

Edelman said the gate revenue will be 4Xs the amount of the repeymant
Highburys gate revenue was 35m
Ashburtons will be 90m
annaul repeymant-25m(it can be lower)
stadium maintance cost-max 15m(it will be much lower)
90-25-15=50m

50m-35m=15m
average net spend in 2004-05 was £8.4 million a year
8+15=23m
Manchester United - £18m

Whats that got to do with anything FFS. So right because hes a Spurs that means straight away there will be a 100% anti-article :|

The reason why I posted it, was it mainly talked about the death of real fans not these hoorah henrys that drive around the place in their fancies cars and just about money. Arsenal had a very good loud and proud fanbase but don't now. Ever since about six years ago the "Real goons" have been complaining about the lack of atmosphere. The main reason why they have gone is because they've been out priced by the club and the "prawn sandwich begrade" take their place and just sit there silent not singing. I know I've said that Tottenham has a great atmosphere, which it does, but it has the West upper filled the Prawn sandwich munchers. I would be very upset if we lose our atmosphere like Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal. An atmosphere is what adds that added spice to a game. I remember going to Spurs vs Boro during the 03/04 season and it was very boring tbh. There was a bit of an atmosphere but not much. The last Time I went to Spurs there s was a great atmosphere and that lifted the place. When Arsenal Real Madrid and Juve they had a very impressive atmosphere but that was only for a big game. I don't won't go on of course but football was a working class game. People would slave away all week and get fuck all wages, in comparison to the prawnsandwich lot, and wait until Saturday to go to the stadium and enjoy the atmosphere.

I think that Arsenal's atmosphere will improve a lot because the new stadium will give them confidence etc. Well I hope it improves becasue it would terrible just to hear the away fans. I'm sorry to rant but I just love a good atmosphere, like Roar, I love it whenever I sing my lungs at a ground and I enjoy listening to a good atmosphere.

Yeah, I think it's hard for the "prawn sandwich begrade" to get themselves up for some matches, when small teams such as Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Fulham and Tottenham come to visit we just can't be bothered to sing, we would much rather chat on our mobiles and eat canapes than put the effort in!

Yeah, I think it's hard for the "prawn sandwich begrade" to get themselves up for some matches, when small teams such as Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Fulham and Tottenham come to visit we just can't be bothered to sing, we would much rather chat on our mobiles and eat canapes than put the effort in!

So its all dependant on the club visiting. Makie sure you have nothing else but prawns that choke you and stop from singing.

Whats this I read of the clock being put behind one of the Screens?

Click Here (http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=404791&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Find+out+more+about+Emirates+Stadium+-+Part+Two)

"The famous Highbury clock will be located on the back of the South East Jumbotron screen opposite the 'Clock End Bridge'."

This is what it could look like

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/Fued10/newclockend.jpg

Interesting.

emirates base on croke park

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=64081

http://www.st-vincents-toronto-gaa.com/images/2002%20Season/Croke_Park_c.jpg

Croke Park???

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1347/emirates01xi3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2893/luz01wb7.jpg

Suuuuuuuuuure!!

-> Emirates (http://www.hoksve.com/sport/projects/1964762e-8d3a-11d4-9f84-009027887d89/Emirates_Stadium.htm?sort=Alpha)

-> Luz (http://www.hoksve.com/sport/showcasePortugal/benfica.htm)

:)

Elevation isn't finishet I hope they will not leave this concrate walls for a long.

Very nice stadium, quite surprised at how quickly it was finished. The groundsmen have no excuses for not getting a perfect playing pitch when the season starts. The weather has been tropical of late. Hot and sunny, and then a good downpour. All they need to do is cut it lol

Spent the first half watching a very boring reserve team game and retired to the bar for the second half. Stadium very impressive although seemed 2/3 of the size in photos. The facilities in the club level seats were excellent. Plenty of contemporary designed bars and nice totty etc. Bar Service was a bit hit and miss which could only be expected for the first game. Supporters at the game were a very cosmopolitan mix with including, french, African, Scandinavian to mention a few. Plenty of the prawn sandwich types (including me). Arsenal in the 80`s attracted a totally different working class supporter. Most of the 30/40 year olds in attendance probably never heard of football 10/15 years ago. All post Italia 90 types.

I also watch Spurs on a regular basis (again via Prawn Sandwich seats) and I have to say the difference between clubs is now huge. In terms of ground and location Ashburton is a 9/10 with Spurs at 5/10. This is an unbiased view with no axe to grind and as a Leeds fan I can hardly criticism other clubs given the circus I support.

Spent the first half watching a very boring reserve team game and retired to the bar for the second half. Stadium very impressive although seemed 2/3 of the size in photos. The facilities in the club level seats were excellent. Plenty of contemporary designed bars and nice totty etc. Bar Service was a bit hit and miss which could only be expected for the first game. Supporters at the game were a very cosmopolitan mix with including, french, African, Scandinavian to mention a few. Plenty of the prawn sandwich types (including me). Arsenal in the 80`s attracted a totally different working class supporter. Most of the 30/40 year olds in attendance probably never heard of football 10/15 years ago. All post Italia 90 types.

I also watch Spurs on a regular basis (again via Prawn Sandwich seats) and I have to say the difference between clubs is now huge. In terms of ground and location Ashburton is a 9/10 with Spurs at 5/10. This is an unbiased view with no axe to grind and as a Leeds fan I can hardly criticism other clubs given the circus I support.


u didnt watch the second half? it was great

thanks to the UK forum - eddyk and tv123

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71502230.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A64667EF6D9CD7EB5AA55A1E4F32AD3138
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199474/dsc01808.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199475/dsc01810.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199476/dsc01812.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199477/dsc01814.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199479/dsc01817.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199480/dsc01819.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7927/emiratesstadiumopentn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

heres some pics from the match
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5206478.stm

Like I said the stadium is not for the hardcore fans http://s6.invisionfree.com/The_Herd/index.php?showtopic=14097

Spent the first half watching a very boring reserve team game and retired to the bar for the second half. Stadium very impressive although seemed 2/3 of the size in photos. The facilities in the club level seats were excellent. Plenty of contemporary designed bars and nice totty etc. Bar Service was a bit hit and miss which could only be expected for the first game. Supporters at the game were a very cosmopolitan mix with including, french, African, Scandinavian to mention a few. Plenty of the prawn sandwich types (including me). Arsenal in the 80`s attracted a totally different working class supporter. Most of the 30/40 year olds in attendance probably never heard of football 10/15 years ago. All post Italia 90 types.

I also watch Spurs on a regular basis (again via Prawn Sandwich seats) and I have to say the difference between clubs is now huge. In terms of ground and location Ashburton is a 9/10 with Spurs at 5/10. This is an unbiased view with no axe to grind and as a Leeds fan I can hardly criticism other clubs given the circus I support.

I didn't think you were criticising anyone man. Nice to read what you had to say.

the render made it out like the bottom tier was gonna be tiny

http://www.hoksve.com/sport/projects/1964762e-8d3a-11d4-9f84-009027887d89/projimages/full1_2.jpg

the render made it out like the bottom tier was gonna be tiny

http://www.hoksve.com/sport/projects/1964762e-8d3a-11d4-9f84-009027887d89/projimages/full1_2.jpg

compare that^^
with this:
http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/199476/dsc01812.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)

I am happy the real thing looks a lot bigger

and a lot better

Indeed.

the new stadium is such an awesome face and image for arsenal...modern and large and classy

the new stadium is such an awesome face and image for arsenal...modern and large and classy

and very very quiet!

and very very quiet!

so u didnt watch the match then :weirdo:

Yes, it was shite. I hate all friendlies/testimonials!! I only watched it in the hope that Bergkamp would get hit by a plane.

haha like that would happen

Never say never...

I live in hope....

By the way, are you from Qintendo?

yeh i am :)

Cool. :D

yeh very kool indeed

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7927/emiratesstadiumopentn5.jpg

:(
distance stands pitch is more than 7,5m :(

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7927/emiratesstadiumopentn5.jpg

:(
distance stands pitch is more than 7,5m :(

thats fifa regulation for you

min distance between pitch adn stand (behind the goals) is 7,5m
like Allianz Arena
http://www.stadionwelt.de/wmspecial/templates/stadionguides/muenchen/images/innen_02.jpg

I'm very disappointed with the outcome of Ashburton. Most new plastic stadia are geniuely pleasant to look at, however even Ashburton fails in this category. The architects must have been pissed when they drew this one up.

Unfortunately it continues to get worse for Arsenal. Now they are in massive debt and with the fact that they cannot sellout their new stadia on a regular basis, they can't repay and must be forced to sell some of their best players, like want-away Henry and Fabregas.

Ohh well Arsenal, for a small club, have acheived much more than expected, they can at least be proud of that.

I'm very disappointed with the outcome of Ashburton. Most new plastic stadia are geniuely pleasant to look at, however even Ashburton fails in this category. The architects must have been pissed when they drew this one up.

Unfortunately it continues to get worse for Arsenal. Now they are in massive debt and with the fact that they cannot sellout their new stadia on a regular basis, they can't repay and must be forced to sell some of their best players, like want-away Henry and Fabregas.

Ohh well Arsenal, for a small club, have acheived much more than expected, they can at least be proud of that.


I could of just looked at your signature to tell you are a legal retard :scouserd:

I could of just looked at your signature to tell you are a legal retard :scouserd:

please from now on post your constructive thoughts to others, posts like the one above bring down the standard of posting of SkyScraperCity

you've been warned

tocino is a troll!!


if ManUre are the national side of Mancunia they should play only Manchester born Players.... so thats gary neville.... and...........

ok oh noble hunter of glory

if ManUre are the national side of Mancunia they should play only Manchester born Players.... so thats gary neville.... and...........

Wes Brown, Scholes, Bardsley, and a host of youth players

Barcelona don't play Catalans only anyway

ok oh noble hunter of glory

poor effort

So what are your solutions for the massive debt Arsenal have acquired?

Umm I think you need to have a little talk about Mr. Glazer and debt

tocino is a troll!!


if ManUre are the national side of Mancunia they should play only Manchester born Players.... so thats gary neville.... and...........

And they should be ruled by someone from Manchester, not an American who bought the club. Also, where is mancunia? scattered through the small England towns? because last time I checked ManCity had more fans than ManU in Manchester.

In regards to the Emirates, I'm well pleased with the finished product, I can't wait to see the Clock in front of the ClockEnd Bridge, that's going to look brilliant.

Umm I think you need to have a little talk about Mr. Glazer and debt

What does Glazer have to do with ugly Ashburton and Arsenal's debt?

Take your issues with the leprechaun to the Old Trafford thread.

because last time I checked ManCity had more fans than ManU in Manchester.

ha.

http://www.mipc.mmu.ac.uk/docs/seasonticketreport.pdf

ok oh noble hunter of glory

Quick Q: How long have you supported Arsenal?

Anyway I would just like to point something out. In the past few months there has been a lot of talk about shit loads of money being raised from renvenue. Could I be wrong in thinking that in the first few years of this stadium's life a fair amount of that will go to debt or will Arsenal's flats help get rid of it?

What does Glazer have to do with ugly Ashburton and Arsenal's debt?

Take your issues with the leprechaun to the Old Trafford thread.

You seem to be a leftist of some kind, and I am too, but I would never support a team owned by the Glazer family, who gave Bush thousands of dollars for his electoral campaign. Go back to your hole, this is a thread about Emirates Stadium, a stadium that in one day saw more legends together than Old Trafford ever will.

The atmosphere at AG sounded fantastic in TV during the second half, and if it is like that against the big teams then I'll be more than sattisfied.

Quick Q: How long have you supported Arsenal?

Anyway I would just like to point something out. In the past few months there has been a lot of talk about shit loads of money being raised from renvenue. Could I be wrong in thinking that in the first few years of this stadium's life a fair amount of that will go to debt or will Arsenal's flats help get rid of it?

The first years the revenue from the seats will be used to pay the debt, but the stadium will produce each year twice the amount needed to pay the yearly quota, so we don't have to worry about that. The stadium will try to pay the det as quick as possible, so if Arsenal do not need to spend the money somewhere else they will use it for this purpose, however, as Arsenal will as stated above produce more than enough money, if the team needs desperate reinforcement then the funds will be there.

I like your posts (in general) 2005, you are a decent spud. Just like Hertyid from Arsenal-Mania.

Quick Q: How long have you supported Arsenal?

Anyway I would just like to point something out. In the past few months there has been a lot of talk about shit loads of money being raised from renvenue. Could I be wrong in thinking that in the first few years of this stadium's life a fair amount of that will go to debt or will Arsenal's flats help get rid of it?


I knew this would come from you

The answer is since I was about 10 so that would be 1998?

Anyway I say this seeing his protest love for Man Utd in coincidence with Barcelona

I knew this would come from you

The answer is since I was about 10 so that would be 1998?

Anyway I say this seeing his protest love for Man Utd in coincidence with Barcelona

Was it because they won the double or was it just something else?

I asked that mainly because you called someone a glory hunter yet the year Arsenal win the double (1998) you started supporting them. I'm not here to start an arguement but it has to be said your making yourself look like a hypercrit.

When was the last time you saw Arsenal play....OK OK OK I'll stop there ;)

The first years the revenue from the seats will be used to pay the debt, but the stadium will produce each year twice the amount needed to pay the yearly quota, so we don't have to worry about that. The stadium will try to pay the det as quick as possible, so if Arsenal do not need to spend the money somewhere else they will use it for this purpose, however, as Arsenal will as stated above produce more than enough money, if the team needs desperate reinforcement then the funds will be there.

I like your posts (in general) 2005, you are a decent spud. Just like Hertyid from Arsenal-Mania.

Hertyid is a good bloke. He says a lot decent stuff on the glory-glory.

Thanks RCG, your an OK Woolwich boy. I confess that I hate Arsenal and they will be the team that I will hate the most until the day I die but I respect what people say and that is this is a stadium forum not a forum for stupid silly banter.

It was because of Bergkamp

poor effort

So what are your solutions for the massive debt Arsenal have acquired?
isnt glazer about to die or something...anyway glazer has money chelsea has money too..sorted

It was because of Bergkamp

Fair enough....glory hunter ;)

I used to support Man U :eek:

I watched them lose the 1995 FA Cup final when I was 7. I supported them for a year. I decided (being a glory hunter) to support someone else. My best mate told me Tottenham Hotspur. At the time being a glory hunter Tottenham wasn't the right choice but you know what I don't care. I love Tottenham I will always do. I once had a job at the Spurs Store back in the summer of 2004. I'll never foregot standing outside that store telling my Dad down the phone line that I got the job. Sadly it didn't last long as I live in SE London and I was a 16 lad wanting to further my education and have a social life. Oh Tottenham til I die.....

Oh sorry I foregot it was a goon thread :runaway:

Fair enough....glory hunter ;)

I used to support Man U :eek:

I watched them lose the 1995 FA Cup final when I was 7. I supported them for a year. I decided (being a glory hunter) to support someone else. My best mate told me Tottenham Hotspur. At the time being a glory hunter Tottenham wasn'tthe right choice but you know what I don't care. I love Tottenham I will always do. I once had a job at the Spurs back in the summer of 2004. Sadly it didn't last long as I live in SE London and I was a 16 lad wanting to further education and have a social life. Oh Tottenham til I die.....

Oh sorry I foregot it was a goon thread :runaway:

What did you do there?

What did you do there?

What at the Spurs Store?

I was given the job title "retail asistant". I served the customers behind the counter and would shelf stack. I've always been a passionate Tottenham fan but after that there was just no turning back. Trust me Zaq nothing beats (in the football world) being told that you are going to work for the club you have supported ever since you were a boy.

yup that is the best feeling...my mate was over the moon wen he got a job at blackburn rovers

What does Glazer have to do with ugly Ashburton and Arsenal's debt?

Take your issues with the leprechaun to the Old Trafford thread.

haha you are hilarious.we bought a new stadium for 260m and you bought the Glazer family for 600m,our new stadium generate +40-50m,the Glazers +10-15?

i wonder who made a better buisness..

haha you are hilarious.we bought a new stadium for 260m and you bought the Glazer family for 600m,our new stadium generate +40-50m,the Glazers +10-15?

i wonder who made a better buisness..

What difference does it make when both have big debts?

There really is no point in carrying on with this childish bickering.

please from now on post your constructive thoughts to others, posts like the one above bring down the standard of posting of SkyScraperCity

you've been warned
Good lord you a daft one

last time I checked ManCity had more fans than ManU in Manchester.

Count them did ya? :cheers:

this is thread is dead now that the stadium has been built!

whats the detailled capacacity?
IMO it isn't exactly 60,000

What at the Spurs Store?

I was given the job title "retail asistant". I served the customers behind the counter and would shelf stack. I've always been a passionate Tottenham fan but after that there was just no turning back. Trust me Zaq nothing beats (in the football world) being told that you are going to work for the club you have supported ever since you were a boy.


Spurs have a store!!!!!!!

whats the detailled capacacity?
IMO it isn't exactly 60,000

Jester from Arsenal Mania who was at the Emirates yesterday during the steward training said he was given a pack which says that the actual size of the stadium is 60,288.

...

thanks eddy and sorry that i missed that message :(

It was in the UK section, so unless you visit that place....it's no wonder you missed it.

ok
than no sorry :D

and lazy uk users
why you don't post it here :bash: :D

great acoustics
http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=audio&file=atmosphere.mp3

...


That would explain the extra 500 places for disables and press seats.

That would explain the extra 500 places for disables and press seats.

The new arsenal stadium has over 60000 seats for disabled fans.

something, something, something, Rangers, something, something, something, 80,000 a game, something, something, something, bigger than you, something, something,

yawn

The new arsenal stadium has over 60000 seats for disabled fans.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I know I should not laugh as the guy is pretty pathetic but I must say that was a good come back.

Anyway! moving on quickly.....

The new arsenal stadium has over 60000 seats for disabled fans.

I take it you've tested one then.

Brasil vs. Argentina at Ashburton Grove on 2. September

Brasil vs. Argentina at Ashburton Grove on 2. September

Can you post a link please?

Can you post a link please?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5236726.stm

our chance to impress some of their players

Might be taking pics of Arsenal's old ground next week. My brother has been sent to Highbury to knock down that thing. He starts on Monday.

looks like emirates stadium has already brang big names.

590 emirates stadium pics here (http://www.shmee150.co.uk/emirates01.htm), like this:

http://www.shmee150.co.uk/images/emirates01/DSC00821.jpg

Oh dear this is how bad it has gotten...


Arsenal have brought 152 supporters for an euro away in Zagreb.

FC United brought more for a friendly in Germany!

The question is no longer will they sellout Ashburton, but rather will they get 50,000?

Oh dear this is how bad it has gotten...


Arsenal have brought 152 supporters for an euro away in Zagreb.

FC United brought more for a friendly in Germany!

The question is no longer will they sellout Ashburton, but rather will they get 50,000?
Thats petty poor.

Oh dear this is how bad it has gotten...


Arsenal have brought 152 supporters for an euro away in Zagreb.

FC United brought more for a friendly in Germany!

The question is no longer will they sellout Ashburton, but rather will they get 50,000?

If that figure is right, it is due to security issues as Zagreb are some of the most hostile hooligans in Europe. Dumb ass, just wait till the season starts, you know that we shall fill the stadium out piece of piss. Let's discuss what a brutal arse fucking Old Trafford has just got with the new quads. :)

If that figure is right, it is due to security issues as Zagreb are some of the most hostile hooligans in Europe. Dumb ass, just wait till the season starts, you know that we shall fill the stadium out piece of piss. Let's discuss what a brutal arse fucking Old Trafford has just got with the new quads. :)

Security issues ehh? Just like security issues only allowed 50,000 for the Bergkamp friendly. :rolleyes:

we brought over 1,000 for euro qualifiers in Debrecen and Dinamo Bucharest, who are no angels

Yes actually when a new stadium is finished you need two security test runs with 1/2 and 2/3 capacities before full capacity is allowed. Hence the 20,000+ who watched Arsenal train and then the 50,000+ for the Testimonial.

If that figure is right, it is due to security issues as Zagreb are some of the most hostile hooligans in Europe. Dumb ass, just wait till the season starts, you know that we shall fill the stadium out piece of piss. Let's discuss what a brutal arse fucking Old Trafford has just got with the new quads. :)

Funny you say that because the commenator said at the start of the game that Arsenal had an allocation of 2000 but what I wanted to say is, Sitback just ignored them ffs.

so what are you lot trying to say arsenal wont be able to sell out the emirates, well lets wait till zagreb come to the grove and see what you lot got to say after the game well thats if you lot are goin to be here.

If that figure is right, it is due to security issues as Zagreb are some of the most hostile hooligans in Europe. Dumb ass, just wait till the season starts, you know that we shall fill the stadium out piece of piss. Let's discuss what a brutal arse fucking Old Trafford has just got with the new quads. :)

I can confirm that as a Red memeber who tried desperately to get Villa tickets last Thursday, they sold out in approximately 30 seconds.

Emirates will be sold out every game and Red members will struggle to get tickets all season (fortunately my Brother in Law is now Silver and can only afford 3 or 4 games this season... sadly he's picked all the 'big' ones).

[QUOTE=tocino]Oh dear this is how bad it has gotten...


Arsenal have brought 152 supporters for an euro away in Zagreb.
[QUOTE]

cos most of the Arsenal fans are from the working class,they are so poor they cant travel all over Europe

im working class too,but im a brilliant fan because im working class,i have to work today with my working class friends,im ging to bed now
bye :sleepy:

oh and i was there (Debrecen-ManU) and your fans were sh*t,maybe they are not working class

Why does everyone have a fetish about attendances, who has the best fans, which fans are the most middle class, etc, etc? I remember having these arguments 15 years ago at school. It has sod all to do with stadium architecture!

Why does everyone have a fetish about attendances, who has the best fans, which fans are the most middle class, etc, etc? I remember having these arguments 15 years ago at school. It has sod all to do with stadium architecture!


Indeed Mr Tower.

I'm new on this topic so here my question:
Is emirates satdium easily expendable?

I'm new on this topic so here my question:
Is emirates satdium easily expendable?

well for a start arsenal would have to go past islington council in the first place, i believe they put the limits on the stadium such as height, capacity etc.

however i think expansion could take place by filling in the corners of the top tier to match the top height of the stands, so it would be a continous bowl rather than wavey in the corners. im sure an arsenal fan would know more about it than me.

I'm new on this topic so here my question:
Is emirates satdium easily expendable?


I seem to recall reading somewhere about the slight possibility of expanding it to 70,000.

Brazil and Argentina to play at Emirates Stadium

http://www.arsenal.com/Images/b/brazil_argentina_emirates2.jpg?t=1

Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that Emirates Stadium will host an International Friendly match between Brazil and Argentina on Sunday 3rd September 2006.

The match will kick off at 4pm and the Club is pleased to announce that Arsenal members will receive the exclusive first rights on purchasing tickets for this high profile fixture.

The forthcoming match will give football fans in the UK the chance to see some of the world’s greatest footballers in action. The Brazilian squad travelling to London is likely to feature key players such as Ronaldinho, Adriano, Kaka and Ronaldo, and of course our very own Gilberto. With the opposition line-up from Argentina set to include stars Messi, Riquelme, Mascherano and Saviola.

Argentina and Brazil have enjoyed a healthy rivalry since their first match in 1914 which Brazil won 3-0, and between them have won the World Cup a total of seven times.

The last time the two teams played each other was in Frankfurt during the Confederations Cup in June 2005, with Brazil triumphing 4-1. However, this match is the first time these two teams have ever played each other on English soil.

Arsenal Managing Director Keith Edelman said: “We are honoured to be hosting an international match between Brazil and Argentina at Emirates Stadium. It’s a complement to both our Club and our new stadium that we have been approached to stage such a high profile match between two of the most prestigious national teams in the world.

“I understand that both countries will be fielding their strongest possible line-ups and therefore we are all looking forward to witnessing a competitive match including many of the world’s best players.”


Source: Arsenal.com (http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=409076&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Brazil+and+Argentina+to+play+at+Emirates+Stadium)

of course, it won't be a very good match

Why does everyone have a fetish about attendances, who has the best fans, which fans are the most middle class, etc, etc? I remember having these arguments 15 years ago at school. It has sod all to do with stadium architecture!

Because many of these people are not interested in architecture, but in the sanitized, anonymous confrontation that forums in the web provide.

well for a start arsenal would have to go past islington council in the first place, i believe they put the limits on the stadium such as height, capacity etc.

however i think expansion could take place by filling in the corners of the top tier to match the top height of the stands, so it would be a continous bowl rather than wavey in the corners. im sure an arsenal fan would know more about it than me.

Filling in the corners would detract from the aesthetic value of the venue. It would also break the airflow that those dips allow. Finally, I don't think that a higher "pleb" seating capacity is necessarily a good thing, while a lower capacity leads directly to higher demand.

filling in the corners? i think its impossible.the stadium is oval so if you want to fill the corners you must expand the stadium outside too

Arsenal to charge £94 for top seats at North London Derby and other Category A matches.

:eek2:

That of course is for non season ticket holders. Club level seats if sold on a match by match basis would probably be twice that. They are up to £90 for the Brazil, Argentina friendly. Amazing the first time I went it cost me 20p to get in, 5p for a programme 10p my share of the cab (my first ever black cab journey was to my first Arsenal game) and probably 5p the bag of chips on the walk home. 40p for a day out like that and we won.

That of course is for non season ticket holders. Club level seats if sold on a match by match basis would probably be twice that. They are up to £90 for the Brazil, Argentina friendly. Amazing the first time I went it cost me 20p to get in, 5p for a programme 10p my share of the cab (my first ever black cab journey was to my first Arsenal game) and probably 5p the bag of chips on the walk home. 40p for a day out like that and we won.


WOW, when was this?

2005 do you think tottenham are one the same level as arsenal just a question.

WOW, when was this?


Around 72/73 vs Everton. Alan Ball scored a cracker against his old club in a 1-0 win. I had also before that been to Chelsea and Spurs both 3-0 defeats to Leeds.

2005 do you think tottenham are one the same level as arsenal just a question.

In terms of a club as a whole? no but in terms of the team and transfer policy? yes.

filling in the corners? i think its impossible.the stadium is oval so if you want to fill the corners you must expand the stadium outside too

Not at all in my unproffesional opinion.

They could sqaure off the top tiers like the one in cardiffs millenium stadium, add some concrete support towers beneath, with stair wells. Expand the roof to a square shape rather than an oval. 70,000 seater.

Gunners charge £94

By AIDAN MAGEE

ARSENAL fans have blasted the club for charging £94 for top tickets at their new Emirates Stadium home.

The Gunners expect punters to lash out for Category A ties with Chelsea, Manchester United, Spurs, Liverpool and West Ham.

Premiership champions Chelsea charge £60 for their best seats — with United asking only £39.

Tony Madden, co-editor of Arsenal fanzine Highbury High, said: “These prices are incredibly expensive. The club seems to be turning its back on its roots.

“Arsenal are relying on fans just moaning and then handing over the money.

“It costs an absolute fortune for an ordinary working-class bloke to take his kids along to a game.”

Top West End shows like Phantom of the Opera only charge £50 for their best tickets and you can watch rugby’s Heineken Cup final at Twickenham for £60.

An Arsenal spokesman said: “We are very comfortable with our pricing.”

But Mark Longden, from Manchester United’s Independent Supporters’ Association, said: “Even the £39 we charge is bad.”

PREM CLUBS’ top-priced tickets — Arsenal £94; Spurs £71; Chelsea £60; West Ham £57; Newcastle £50; Fulham £45; Reading £41; Middlesbrough £40; Blackburn, Bolton, Man Utd £39; Man City £38; Everton £37; Aston Villa, Charlton, Wigan, Watford £35; Liverpool, Sheff Utd £34; Portsmouth £30.

Not at all in my unproffesional opinion.

They could sqaure off the top tiers like the one in cardiffs millenium stadium, add some concrete support towers beneath, with stair wells. Expand the roof to a square shape rather than an oval. 70,000 seater.

some doubtful points:
-can the podium keep the support towers?
-is it possibel to expand the roof,can the supporting pillars keep the more weight?
-do you think it would look good?

im unprofessional too :) :cheers:

I seem to recall reading somewhere about the slight possibility of expanding it to 70,000.

why expand to 70,000 when you can't even fill a 60,000 on a regular basis?

why expand to 70,000 when you can't even fill a 60,000 on a regular basis?


your wishing and dreaming that arsenal wont be able to fill up the stadium.

why expand to 70,000 when you can't even fill a 60,000 on a regular basis?


At least give them a chance.

The real capacity of Emirates Stadium

Saturday’s game at the Emirates Stadium will be the first played in front of a capacity crowd.

It has generally been reported that Arsenal’s new ground can hold 60,000, the actual figure is 60,432.

This is divided in the following ways: Lower Tier 24,425, Upper Tier 26,646, Club Level 7,139 and Box Level 2,222.

http://www.arsenal.com/images/pics/emirates_block_plan.jpg?t=1

source: Arsenal.com (http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=news&article=410117&cpid=703&title=The+real+capacity+of+Emirates+Stadium)

hopefully on matchday it will be over the 60,000 mark

thank you very much for that diaby always looking for that.

Well I wasn't expecting that!

Ok, I've followed Ashburton Grove's progress for over a year now, but actually entering the stadium itself today was a completely different experience. It feels MUCH larger in the flesh than in photographs. It truly is a beautiful stadium. Its about time the Premiership had a showpiece stadium.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/Wenger.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/curves.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/clockend.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/corner.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/bowl.jpg

are aresnal going to paint or put advertising on the bare concrete that is left?its the only thing i dont like about this stadium, it looks too brutal for such a beautiful stadium

are aresnal going to paint or put advertising on the bare concrete that is left?its the only thing i dont like about this stadium, it looks too brutal for such a beautiful stadium I totally agree. My guess is that they probably haven't found a sponsor or finalised any deal for the sponsor they wish to place there.
Although I could be wrong and they may leave it blank for the same reasons they left the seats blank but the inside of that ground needs something arsenal related(cannon or logo) just to make the ground feel more like home.

The concrete seems a strange colour as well, really dark, almost as if it's wet.

there is one good thing about this stadium - the away end

Ashburton Grove's, it copies of bad quality of the stadium da Luz in Lisbon! Sorry it is my opinion. ;)

my garden shed is bigger than this.. !

Ashburton Grove's, it copies of bad quality of the stadium da Luz in Lisbon! Sorry it is my opinion. ;)

It looks like a better quality version actually. It's been stated before time and time again Ashburton Stadium was designed before Da Luz.

why expand to 70,000 when you can't even fill a 60,000 on a regular basis?

Do you have some mystical time machine that allowed to fast forward to the end of the season in able to get Arsenal's average yearly attendance? If not, shut up you pikey.

are aresnal going to paint or put advertising on the bare concrete that is left?its the only thing i dont like about this stadium, it looks too brutal for such a beautiful stadium

I agree the bare concrete doesn't look good. We will probably be able to see what the stadium looks like with the concrete covered when the champions league starts proper. (providing Arsenal go through of course.)
http://peterbmeier.de/Schalke/Europapokal/ChampionsLeague/Arsenal-S04/Training-HighburyII.jpg

best stadium in the country, but that concrete needs painting inside..even so it has great potential, looks excellent full of supporters, the lower tiers (without being able to see the roof) reminds me of the Aztec

the concrete will have a champions league banner going around on champions league matchdays, but i dont what will happen in other games.

Att: 60,023. Just what i wanted, even thought i thought it would be 59,???

Well I wasn't expecting that!

Ok, I've followed Ashburton Grove's progress for over a year now, but actually entering the stadium itself today was a completely different experience. It feels MUCH larger in the flesh than in photographs. It truly is a beautiful stadium. Its about time the Premiership had a showpiece stadium.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/Wenger.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/curves.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/clockend.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/corner.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/2zanzibar/bowl.jpg

Terrific! thx for these pictures :)

Att: 60,023. Just what i wanted, even thought i thought it would be 59,???

how many away supporters?

How many away supporters were at Old Trafford today? I don't see what relevance that has.

How many away supporters were at Old Trafford today? I don't see what relevance that has.

Just wondering so I can subtract the amount of away supporters to the attendence to figure the total amount of muppets.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ could you be any more boring?

http://i75.imagethrust.com/i/562766/emirates3.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i75.imagethrust.com/i/562764/emirates1.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)
http://i75.imagethrust.com/i/562765/emirates2.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)

Great pics tv123.

The concrete seems a strange colour as well, really dark, almost as if it's wet.

yes, Ive noticed that aswell.
where does it come from?
Its not only in the emirates stadium but also in several new german stadiums.

Ashburton Grove's, it copies of bad quality of the stadium da Luz in Lisbon! Sorry it is my opinion. ;)

Da lUz is a copy of Ashburton Grove actually. Ours was designed first!

Da lUz is a copy of Ashburton Grove actually. Ours was designed first!

Really?

Why is it that Da Luz was finished in the year 2003 whilst Emirates was set to be built for the year 2004. I'm confused. Both must have been designed at the same time.

This stadium is unoriginal, boring, and soulless. Arsenal fans must be depressed with thier ugly stadium that has brought masssive debt to the club, as well with the rubbish they are currently watching on the pitch.

Da lUz is a copy of Ashburton Grove actually. Ours was designed first!

Then it took 5 years for the Emirates to being built. :D


(for the 1000th time, "da" is the feminine form of the english word "of"; so, it's "Luz" and not "da Luz")

Then it took 5 years for the Emirates to being built. :D


(for the 1000th time, "da" is the feminine form of the english word "of"; so, it's "Luz" and not "da Luz")

:D you had well Aka...I continue to say, the stadium of luz is very better that emirates...emirates seems small in the television...already the stadium of Luz seems to be bigger. ;)

To be honest, having now seen a couple of games at this stadium, I've gone right off it. I think the Da Luz appears more grand when watching games on tv. I'm sure the fans in attendance are comfortable though.

:D you had well Aka...I continue to say, the stadium of luz is very better that emirates...emirates seems small in the television...already the stadium of Luz seems to be bigger. ;)

That's because it is bigger.

:D you had well Aka...I continue to say, the stadium of luz is very better that emirates...emirates seems small in the television...already the stadium of Luz seems to be bigger. ;)

Well you would say that considering you got 'Lisbon' on your location. Ashburton is much better looking on the outside, Da Luz looks like the constructors forgot to buld the outside. And on the inside it has no grace or elegance. It looks bigger because it is! 66,000 compared to 60,000. Plus the stands are steeper at Da Luz making it quite obviously taller. Doesn't matter tho, Da Luz is hardly ever half full, what's the point?

Da Luz is hardly ever half full, what's the point?

A lie from someone who don't give a damn to the Portuguese League.

Well I've been told by Portugese first hand on threads like these that it rarely surpasses 40,000.

Great Stadium, shame about the fans.

yes it does strangely look smaller than 60 000, but it doesn't if you convert the image to black and white! but what looks wrong is the dark patchy/weathered concrete...it's so typical of a classic 70's multi-storey car park facade...it looks depressing. paint it a light sand/cream colour! :cheers:

Benfica´s average attendance the last 3 years have been 28,000 -35,000 - 43,000.
As the derbies fill the place, just about all other games must get less than 40,000. Attendances are certainly growing, though.

As for the Emirates not looking big, I agree, but I think its great. Why should stadiums try to look more big or "grand" than they are

yep i agree atleast the Emirates will be full of supporters, whereas the the Luz is half empty most of the time, so 66,000?????? wots the worth?

http://i72.imagethrust.com/i/266803/emirates.jpg (http://www.imagethrust.com)

A few night time pics from flickr.com

http://static.flickr.com/61/223553355_807a90d3f0_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/85/223553346_6907c0c2d5_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/87/223553333_ba0f06e517_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/88/223553264_f8e7c69260_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/223553340_97fa9a0a6a_o.jpg

"only" 58,418?
is this the max capacity for UEFA cup games?

^^ check the away sector,there were approx.1000fans

yes
thanks
2,000 empty seats in the away section

Great stadium

shame about the team then!

Weird, because I see all Benfica's matches and the attendance for smaller games is usually from 40.000 to 45.000. In big matches is always full. But there are a few matches where the attendance is lower due to the day or the weather (you get rain until you get to the stadium :P); and you know how statistics are: you only need a bad number to ruin all.

But the real problem is..... prices.

Weird, because I see all Benfica's matches and the attendance for smaller games is usually from 40.000 to 45.000. In big matches is always full. But there are a few matches where the attendance is lower due to the day or the weather (you get rain until you get to the stadium :P); and you know how statistics are: you only need a bad number to ruin all.

But the real problem is..... prices.

it is truth, and I know of this, very well...

I have an annual place in the stadium of luz, is very expensive...

hi i managed to get to the stadium for the zagreb game and i got a few better pics than those posted earlier which were a bit blurry - i had a bit of a walkabout before the game and got some shots from different areas - i must say i dont think theres a bad seat in the whole place...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/56/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium006cl6.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1963/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium005yp8.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6022/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium030uj5.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6995/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium034ek7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5774/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium043ai8.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1245/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium042ku3.jpg

the screens are amazing quality
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2653/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium054cn5.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2051/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium072ze3.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7318/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium060er7.jpg
i think this is my best shot of the night
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3188/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium073bw4.jpg
and finally...
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5972/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium077tx1.jpg

you can see the rest of my pictures on my photobox account - and i have a few other pics of stadiums i've been too there aswell
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/3838861

sorry the comment about the screens being amazin quality wasnt me being big headed, it seems a picture of one of the big screeens didnt show up :)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2653/arsenalvsdinamozagreb23rdaugust2006emiratesstadium054cn5.jpg

I am pleased with the support so far demonstrated at the Emirates.
Middleborough is a sell-out, Sheffield United is also a sell-out I think even before being offered to red-members.

The Watford games and Everton games, on the 14th and 28th October respectively, are selling very fast as well.

I was also pleased with the Dinamo Zagreb attendance of 58,400 if you consider this was a qualifier not CL and also having won the first leg 3-0.

We haven't so far had any problems at all with attendance and I am sure every game this season will be a sell-out.

Doe anyone know if they will be hosting any England games at Emirates fairly soon?

I would like to get tickets

I doubt it, the FA seem perfectly happy hosting them at OT.

maybe one game might be played before Wembley is ready, maybe a few more depending on how well todays game goes

fantastic stadium, this ground should be used to host friendlies and not OT; this is what i mean by a well designed Stadium, it's been built in one go to maintain uniformity, it has a light airy roof, beautiful curve to the stands and a certain ``European look``...it looks mega cool. :)

but i cant see much room for expansion though, because then you'll loose the sexy curve to the top of the stands; unless they added an additional 40ft around the top leading edge, because that roof looks easy to remove; i have a sneaky suspicion that this has been designed into the ground...IT'S EASY TO REMOVE THE ROOF in 3 years time :cheers:

fantastic stadium, this ground should be used to host friendlies and not OT; this is what i mean by a well designed Stadium, it's been built in one go to maintain uniformity, it has a light airy roof, beautiful curve to the stands and a certain ``European look``...it looks mega cool. :)

but i cant see much room for expansion though, because then you'll loose the sexy curve to the top of the stands; unless they added an additional 40ft around the top leading edge, because that roof looks easy to remove; i have a sneaky suspicion that this has been designed into the ground...IT'S EASY TO REMOVE THE ROOF in 3 years time :cheers:

light airy roof.....that suffers from the same problem as OT's, and it looks tiny compared to the identical Luz

light airy roof.....that suffers from the same problem as OT's, and it looks tiny compared to the identical Luz

no it doesn't overhang the stands, (not from near pitch level) like OT does, plus it's better designed and less depressing/claustophobic.

Luz is a bigger stadium.....period, but that stadium looks great too!

Arsenal's needs that bare concrete painted, or covered with advertisement hordings etc... similar to Luz...because at the moment it looks too stark and weathered.

Arsenal's just needs a few finishing touches, but OT needs a serious rework.

OT would look great with that roof replaced and the Horizontal quadrant concrete reworked.....DISGUISED IN SOME WAY :cheers:

http://f7.yahoofs.com/users/44cbd3dbze83cc40f/a2e1re2/__sr_/1ec0re2.jpg?phwYy.EBzWHBhujr

this is the Emirates stadium circa 2012, it's been converted into a uniform bowl by adding an extra 50ft around its top edge.....it looks vaguely like the Aztec Stadium :cheers:

hi i managed to get to the stadium for the zagreb game and i got a few better pics than those posted earlier which were a bit blurry - i had a bit of a walkabout before the game and got some shots from different areas - i must say i dont think theres a bad seat in the whole place...

Yeah I was there too... In fact I think you were sat very close to me

Yellow Quadrant, Upper Tier... I was on row 20 which was the back row, so I could stand for the entire game :)

As you say, not a bad seat in the house... And that's coming from someone on the back row of the upper tier.

Crappy pano... I'll take a better camera to Boro next weekend

http://i4.tinypic.com/2816lwg.jpg

I am pleased with the support so far demonstrated at the Emirates.
Middleborough is a sell-out, Sheffield United is also a sell-out I think even before being offered to red-members.

I just... *just* managed to scrape a single seat for Sheffield Utd on my Red membership, I think I was pretty fortunate to do so. Boro seemed slightly easier, but not much.

Yeah I was there too... In fact I think you were sat very close to me
Yellow Quadrant, Upper Tier... I was on row 20 which was the back row, so I could stand for the entire game :)
As you say, not a bad seat in the house... And that's coming from someone on the back row of the upper tier.
Crappy pano... I'll take a better camera to Boro next weekend
http://i4.tinypic.com/2816lwg.jpg


hmm yeh small world - i did notice loads of people on the back row of the top tier just stood up and leaned against the wall - what i found strange was that the roof you always see in the pictures cutting off the stands from your eye view when your near the top of the stands didnt really happen, as i saw nearly all the stands clearly, but maybe its as we were in a corner -

i found it funny how the whole tier that seated the executive members completely cleared at half time so they could have their sit down meals - did u notice that too?

from the UK forum:

Well I had a great day out yesterday. The stadium is awesome, plenty of colour with a very strong contingent of Brazillians (more so) and Argies. The sound really gets trapped in the stadium. The game was quality. The goals were brilliant. The mini pitch invasion was a right laugh. (don't know what the stewards were doing!)

I've taken a load of pics, but thats for another thread. But two anyway:

Some of the talent on show: Riquelme and Tevez. A decent shot, considering I had no tripod and was in the upper tier, using my new 1.7x conversion lens (wobbles alot)

http://www.atma83.dsl.pipex.com/Pictures/Emirates/SouthAmericanFlair/DSCF1569copy.jpg

The Colourful, capacity crowd:

http://www.atma83.dsl.pipex.com/Pictures/Emirates/SouthAmericanFlair/DSCF1586copy.jpg

The Red and Green of Emirates:

http://www.atma83.dsl.pipex.com/Pictures/Emirates/SouthAmericanFlair/DSCF1488copy.jpg

I look foward to seeing a CL or Premiership match in the near future

I count 2 Barcelona jerseys in this photograph. Why weren't these fans lynched for chrissakes!!

http://www.atma83.dsl.pipex.com/Pictures/Emirates/SouthAmericanFlair/DSCF1586copy.jpg

I doubt it, the FA seem perfectly happy hosting them at OT.

maybe one game might be played before Wembley is ready, maybe a few more depending on how well todays game goes

I think you might be right. I checked out the FA website and OT has already been designated to the next 2 or 3 England matches. After Macedonia, the next 3 European Championship qualifiers are all played away so it will be Autumn 2007 when they return back home, by which time Wembley may have already been built and ready.

the actualy capacityis 60,432

some good videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GLCtl5srxo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AYHU6Qoc8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbNIIvGLVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttpVuKsh8tw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq439bbgG1M

nice one TV123

Found this one of Ronaldinho using the Water Therapy in the changing room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKqFlMxUowI

lol he was modelling the pool

with reference to lynching barca fans (i forgot to quote, I'm a lazy bassa)

most of the barca shirts had Ronaldinho on the back, so theres the connection
;)

a few with Messi, Edmilson..

lol he was modelling the pool

Dodgy video or what!?

I really don't like how this stadium appears on TV. Not sure what it is, it just looks bland.

Think the lack of finishing around the tier ends doesn't help. - not sure what that part is called, but its just bare concrete.
Don't much like the red astro turf (or whatever it is) that cirlces the pitch.
Lack of height.
Bottom tier looking as flat as a pancake. etc etc

I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but whilst watching on TV, I prefered Highbury.

Trust me, its breathtaking

From Boro yesterday:

http://i2.tinypic.com/44jdoie.jpg

It does look great in photos and things, its just during games on TV I'm not a fan.
might just be the camera angle or something

banners finally..

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j201/cubbz_th14/Screen04.jpg

A sneak peak inside Arsenal's new stadium:

http://www.kent.ac.uk/studying/images/studying/where/tonbridge/ton-library-medium.jpg

Yep, thats right: intellectual football, not northern kick n rush mob rule football!

http://mowabb.com/aimages/images/5-13-04.jpg

posted on arsenal.com

What is the current level of each membership category?

The current figures are:

43,000 Platinum/Gold Members
22,000 Silver
22,000 Junior Gunners
61,000 Red Members

There are 38,000 on the Season Ticket waiting list, of which 15-20,000 of which fit into the above categories.


Club Level as its currently constituted is not how it appeared in the promotional material — will the furniture etc be improved?

We agree to the extent that they were sparse for the first game, but we are experimenting with the design and amount of furniture at club level to see what does and doesn’t work. We were initially worried that by having too much furniture it will be too crowded — we may have over-compensated and not put enough furniture out, something that won’t happen again.

What is going to happen with the concrete divides between each level of the stadium and where have the signs (e.g. WHL 71) gone?

Today, we’re trying 2 boards on the South Stand. This may be rolled out over time. We felt that Highbury was a bit patchwork, which can make it feel like a home but wasn’t a great aesthetic site. We realise that a lot of areas are still bare and we will dress them so that when it is fully finished it will work well. There is the logistical problem of always having to change the seats for Champions League game which we felt wasn’t an appropriate thing to do. All advertising for Champions League games has to be covered. We are discussing with the stadium manager about what we do with the signs from Highbury. We will be at this stadium for a long time and we want to make sure that the stadium looks right. When the keys were handed over to us, we had a lot of aspects to work on to get it workable for the first game here, so we had to prioritise the functionality before appearance. As already stated, we will be trying out different things to see what works. We’ve already changed the breeze blocks in the lower and upper concourses and we will be doing more over the next couple of months.

Why are the blinds down at club level?

Because of drinking legislation at football games, we have to keep the blinds down - you’re not allowed to have a view of the pitch whilst watching football. This applies to all games.

There is no actual clock in the stadium that shows the time (apart from the countdown on the scoreboard).

There will be a clock outside the stadium in due course. There are currently no plans to put one in the stadium. In terms of the jumbotron, there is a lot of information to be put on them. We understand that the viewing angle of the screens is not ideal in all areas, but we believe it’s marginal. We may put another screen in the North East quadrant but we need to balance this with how many extra people will have a good view of a screen. If this does happen, it will have to take place next summer because of the time required to install it.

For the whole minutes go to:
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=420442&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Arsenal+FC+Supporters+Consultative+Forum

Some links to pics from my flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonker)site:

External Night Shot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonker/253657765/)

Sunny Afternoon (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonker/250793506/)

Stairway To Heaven (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonker/219334240/)

Home Sweet Home (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonker/238641149/)

http://static.flickr.com/98/231761949_016e5a880d_b.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2043/insidevk0.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4051/21dy0.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/685/asdfjj8.jpg

Verbal shall be in London in 2 weeks and is gonna take the Emirates tour. It had better be good

It will be interesting to hear your views Verbal. Just hope you don't go in with a negative perspective before you even see AG

It looks like I won't be going after all. Just went to book it there and there is no standard tour available before November 9th. WTF is that all about Arsenal?

On the brightside I can go along to the Valley and see Charlton play Man City instead. Yippeeee!