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Roar

November 11th, 2005, 07:40 PM

Emirates Stadium - Benefits

Benefits to Arsenal and its Supporters

An increase in stadium capacity will enable the many thousands of supporters who are unable to attend matches to do so in the future.

An increase in matchday capacity from 38,000 to 60,000 will generate substantial additional income, in order to sustain and develop the Club's football success.

Playing in a world class stadium will affirm and further support Arsenal as one of the World's leading Clubs, both on and off the field.

An improved stadium, providing a range of additional facilities will make spectators' visits more pleasurable and encourage wider involvement, particularly amongst women and families.

Emirates Stadium will have improved access for disabled supporters and enhanced sight lines for all spectators.

Up to 250 seats within the stadium are designed for use by people with disabilities, who will be able to utilise up to 100 mobility impaired parking spaces. This exceeds the recommended minimum seating provision set out in the Government's Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds and is more than double the amount currently provided at Highbury.

Additional trains will be provided on both the Piccadilly and Victoria lines on match days. There is plenty of line capacity and rolling stock available to enable this to happen.

Improved stewarding arrangements will be put in place to enable the stations to be used more efficiently and safely.

The potential to use the pitch area for up to six non-football events per year, thereby providing a wider range of activities, and create additional revenue streams for the Club.

Emirates Stadium will be 'energy-efficient', which is less costly to maintain. :cheers:

Roar

November 11th, 2005, 08:32 PM

29 October 2005

TESCO FOR ARSENAL
By Steve Hawkes

TESCO is ditching its private box at Tottenham Hotspur and switching to bitter rivals Arsenal.

In a move that will rile Spurs fans, bosses are to buy a £65,000-a-year hospitality suite at the Gunners' new Emirates Stadium next season.

Tesco has had a box at White Hart Lane in North London for 20 years.

But a spokeswoman said: "We've now decided to support Arsenal."

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andysimo123

November 12th, 2005, 12:04 AM

Sorry boss.

Roar

November 13th, 2005, 02:10 AM

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/arse26ih.jpg

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November 13th, 2005, 03:02 PM

Well done you've got Tesco supporting you I so envy you :|

Roar

November 15th, 2005, 12:07 AM

JimB

November 15th, 2005, 01:19 AM

Total profits for Arsenal from project.

Gate revenues; increased to £90 million per season (£50 million profit)

Sponsorship income: 2006-2021 = (£125-175 million) Emirates money plus shirt deal after 8 years of emirates shirt deal (which would expire) minus the current O2 rate of 3 million per season and you get (£85 million - £135 million)

Highbury sales £300 million - £100 (costs = £200 million)

TOTAL NET PROFIT FOR ARSENAL BY 2021 =

£1 billion +

Rubbish!

1. You haven't taken into account the cost of your borrowing - at least £25 million per annum in interest payments over the next 15 years, I'd guess.

2. I believe that shirt sponsorship accounts for the majority of the package agreed with Emirates. You cannot simply subtract what Arsenal would have earned from their old O2 deal over the same eight year period. That £3 million figure is out of date and Arsenal's current market value (in terms of shirt sponsorship) is probably nearer £10 million per annum. That is, after all, the value of Chelsea's recently signed deal with Samsung.

3. Besides, as I've told you before, accumulating Arsenal's possible revenue over a fifteen year period on the back of a beer mat and without any method or evidence is a ridiculous and pointless exercise. All that matters for Arsenal (or any company, for that matter) is what they will earn in any one year. That's why companies have annual reports and AGM's.

JimB

November 15th, 2005, 12:09 PM

at least £25 million per annum in interest payments over the next 15 years, I'd guess

Typo. Correction: should read £15 million.

Nils

November 15th, 2005, 06:33 PM

@Roar

if you would have some professional knowledge of finance & accounting you wouldn't post such stupid figures. Do you know what NET PROFIT is? and have you ever considered depreciation of the stadium aquisition costs? as JimB said you forgot the high interest expenses for the loan. it's not so easy as you think.

tv123

November 15th, 2005, 08:38 PM

From Evening standard:

How the club are cashing in . Property deal with Taylor Woodrow and Wimpey for two developments - at Lough Road and Drayton Park - from which the club will receive at least Pounds 52million.

. Affordable housing deal with Newlon Housing Trust for 435 homes at Lough Road, Drayton Park and Queensland Road. Worth Pounds 23m to Arsenal.

. Sale and development of Highbury for 750 flats, including some affordable housing. Planning permission granted but no deals finalised. Site could be worth Pounds 150m.

. Shirt sponsorship and naming rights deal with Emirates worth Pounds 90m. Eight

years for the shirts, 15 years for the naming rights.

. Sub-sponsor deals agreed with a number of companies including Lucozade, MBNA and BMI.

. Kit deal with Nike worth Pounds 55m over seven years. In addition, there is a minimum annual royalty fee of Pounds 1m.

.Catering contract with Delaware North for the food rights for the new stadium. The company is paying Pounds 15m towards the cost of the catering facilities and an annual percentage-based fee for the next 20 years.

+matchday revenue,Arsenal can expect an average income of Pounds 1.5m a game

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November 15th, 2005, 09:15 PM

We all know that Arsenal will make a lot of money no doubt about but FFS! remember Arsenal have debts of up to £260m.

tv123

November 15th, 2005, 09:45 PM

Ł260m?
Arsenal press release 2005 september: Group’s overall net debt increased to £153.3 million (2004 - £141.3 million)

The construction loan will be refinanced to a 25-year note at an interest close to 5%

Roar

November 15th, 2005, 10:56 PM

Edelman - Stadium on track for next season - 6th September 2005

Arsenal’s move to the Emirates Stadium remains on schedule, according to Keith Edelman.

Yesterday, the Club’s managing director announced financial results for the year to May 31, 2005. He described an increase in pre-tax profits to £19.3m and the retention of turnover at £115.1m as a “solid” performance.

As expected, the construction of the Emirates Stadium looms large in Arsenal’s figures right now but that will change sooner rather than later — especially as the project is going to plan.

“We are very confident we will be open for the first week of next season,” said Mr Edelman.

“The structure is finished - we have the roof on, the bridges are done, we have moved the Waste Recycling Centre [to the new facility at Hornsey Street, close to Holloway Road tube station]. So the physical structure is there and that is the real engineering challenge.

“But there is still a lot to do. There is a huge mount of internal fixing. We’ll have 17 kitchens, over 1,000 telephone points, CCTV cameras and a police control room to name just a few.

Mr Edelman also described the extent of the financial benefits brought about by the move.

“Our aim is to be a leading European club and, once we get into the new stadium, we will be in that position,” he said. “It is very income generous to us.

“When we move to Emirates Stadium we will have higher percentage of our income from gates. Very close to 50 per cent of our revenue will be gate income at Emirates Stadium, compared to around 30 per cent currently at Highbury.

“All the Executive Boxes are sold and Club Level is about 70 per cent sold out. That is way ahead of where we expected to be at this stage.

“The revenue from Executive Boxes and Club Level alone will be almost equivalent to the [whole] income at Highbury. So we’ll be getting that and the revenue from 51,000 extra people [in the stadium].”

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Now that the club has revealed the cost of tickets at Emirates Stadium we can fairly accurately work out the match day revenue at the new stadium. They will be huge, and will truly elevate Arsenal into 'The Big League' in financial terms.

Emirates Stadium - Huge source of revenue

There are Five main match day revenue streams:

1. CLUB LEVEL

We have obtained a large and very detailed A3 plan of the 6708 club level seats. The breakdown of the different prices is as follows. Even if we don’t sell all as season tickets, the remaining seats will be sold as a match by match package at higher individual cost so the overall revenue could be higher. Assuming we sell all as Season ticket this is the yearly revenue.

1060 X £4750 = £5,035,000
1352 X £3,500 = £4,732,000
1776 X £3,250 = £5,772,000
2520 X £2,500 = £6,300,000

TOTAL £ 21,839,000
£18,586,382 ex VAT

2. BOX SEATS

There are 150 boxes; the cheapest box is £65K ex VAT and the dearest is £150K ex VAT but I’m not aware of the exact breakdown. However, from the information I have there are more boxes in the lower prices than higher so I have calculated the breakdown with this biased in mind.

25 X £65,000
25 X £70,000
20 X £75,000
20 X £80,000
20 X £90,000
10 X £100,000
15 X £130,000
15 X £150,000

TOTAL = £13,800 ex VAT

3. DIAMOND

There are 84 Diamond Club memberships.

84 X £12,500 = £1,050,000
£893,000 ex VAT

4. NORMAL ADMISSION

From the recently released season ticket pricing map and my detailed club level seating plan (showing number of all club seats and number of perimeter seats) I can determine accurately the proportion and number of different price seats. Arsenal have confirmed that there will be 28,000 upper and 23,000 lower seats.

UPPER TIER (28,000)

Upper centre 2240 X £1825 = £4,088,000
Upper next to centre 3920 X £1370 = £5,370,400
Upper behind goal 6720 X £1295 = £8,702,400
Upper next to centre 1400 X £1190 = £1,666,000
Upper wing and corner 10360 X £1165 = £12,069,400
Upper behind goal back rows 3360 X £1060 = £3,561,600

TOTAL = £35,457,800
£30,176,851 ex VAT

LOWER TIER (23,000)

Lower wing and corner 16,300 X £885 = £14,425,500
Lower centre 6,700 X £990 = £6,633,000

TOTAL = £21,058,500
= £17,922,127 ex VAT

NORMAL ADMISSION TOTAL = £48,098,978 ex VAT

5. CATERING AND PROGRAMME SALES

Per season assuming 25 games.

Arsenal have confirmed that the 4 restaurants at Emirates can accommodate 3200 diners in total with the top meal cost being £65. I am assuming the average regular fan spends an average of £5 on food and drink on fast food. These exclude the 9,000 box and club level. Arsenal’s programme sales are 70% of capacity.

Restaurant meals 3200 x £30 average price = £2,400,000
Fast food and drink per regular fan 51,000 x £5 average price = £6,375,000
Match day programme sales = 36,000 x £3 = £2,700,000

TOTAL = £11,475,000
= £9,765,657 ex VAT

GRAND TOTAL FOR STADIUM MATCH DAY TURNOVER

1). £18.586M
2). £13.800M
3). £ 0.893M
4). £48.099M
5). £ 9.766M

TOTAL = 91.144M ex VAT

Match day turnover for season 2003/2004 was £33.8M ex VAT so increase of £57.344M

At the time of moving into Emirates Stadium the £260M loan will be refinanced to a 25 year loan at a lower interest rate of 5% which will equate to yearly repayments of £18M.

Obviously not all the increase in revenue will be net profit as there will be costs against catering, programmes and increased staff costs but it is not unreasonable to assume a net profit increase of £45 with £12M costs. Deduct the interest payments of £18M a year leaves AN OVERALL NET PROFIT OF £27M PER SEASON after all loan repayments and costs.

The overall increase in turnover will be higher than the £57M increase in match day income as there will be other increases in non-match day income. Arsenal will be increasing the number of secondary sponsors at Emirates, utilising the stadium to it’s full potential away from the match day by using the stadium for conferences, corporate functions and exhibitions as well as and holding non football related events such as concerts. A final increase in turnover of £65M is more likely. By the end of the 2006/ 2007 season Arsenal’s overall turnover will be close to Manchester Uniteds (possibly slightly more) AND WELL AHEAD OF ANY OTHER CLUB IN THE WORLD.

Roar

November 15th, 2005, 11:12 PM

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November 15th, 2005, 11:31 PM

what money will be made I am no expert but I can predict we will make more money than we will be giving out.

Or is it just that Spurs can't except the fact that Arsenal will become World superpowers in Football?

Oh Spurs can except Arsenal having a big stadium Roar you have got to remember that Tottenham really do have the moeny like I said before in the past two years Tottenham have spent a stagering £61.8m showing that they do have the financial muscle to rival the Manchester Uniteds and Real madrids. The thing Arsenal on so many occassions have talked about having shit loads of cash the latest fairy tale I have heard is that Wenger has £45m to spend if true then it is true but I remember being told by gooners that they had £44m during the last transfer window and yet at max they spent £10m-£15m. Personally I beleive that there is no such thing as supper power like I said Roar the arse have £260m (wel an estimate but that is how much the arse have loaned out) so if they do continue they're success it might be a while before they become a "super power" as they have to pay off a lot.

andysimo123

November 16th, 2005, 12:51 AM

Roar

November 16th, 2005, 01:17 AM

JimB

November 16th, 2005, 01:49 AM

You can dream big figures all you want but - I repeat again - it is ridiculous to estimate any company's earnings so far into the future. It is sensible at this stage only to say that Arsenal will be taking on a sizeable debt but that, even in a worst case scenario, Arsenal will be able to service that debt without endangering the future of the company. Anything else is mere irresponsible guesswork.

Besides, you can have absolutely no idea how or by how much your competitors (in England and in Europe) may improve and grow in this twenty five year period. So all your crowing is not only premature but it is hollow and meaningless.

And on the question of Arsenal now being able to compete on financial terms with Man Utd, it's not necessarily as significant to Spurs fans as you might think, Roar.

Because, as I'm sure you are well aware, Arsenal have competed almost equally on the pitch with Man Utd over the past decade or so, despite a turnover that is little over half that of Utd's. Furthermore, I'm sure that you are well aware of the fact that Spurs has spent considerably more on players over the past decade than Arsenal. And look where it has got us!

Good management (at board level and on the coaching side) is what really matters. And I'm confident (like most neutral observers) that Spurs have finally got the right people in place at every level of the club to mount a serious challenge to the current top three over the coming five years - regardless of shiny new stadiums.

JimB

November 16th, 2005, 02:21 AM

I wonder if the club would consider putting the season ticket prices down and making the corporate boxes a million each.

£175 million a season ?

Chelsea tried to sell all the executive boxes in their new West stand for £1 million per annum each and failed spectacularly until Roman came along and bought a few for his pals. And Chelsea only had ten such boxes, all much bigger and far higher in quality than Arsenal's executive boxes and the package included rights to the use of the boxes on non match days as well. So the chances of Arsenal selling 175 boxes for £1 million per annum each are precisely.......zero. I suspect that Arsenal are charging the maximum prices that they can possibly charge without being left with dozens of empty boxes.

£175 million? Dream on!

tv123

November 16th, 2005, 12:31 PM

Chelsea tried to sell all the executive boxes in their new West stand for £1 million per annum each and failed spectacularly until Roman came along and bought a few for his pals. And Chelsea only had ten such boxes, all much bigger and far higher in quality than Arsenal's executive boxes and the package included rights to the use of the boxes on non match days as well. So the chances of Arsenal selling 175 boxes for £1 million per annum each are precisely.......zero. I suspect that Arsenal are charging the maximum prices that they can possibly charge without being left with dozens of empty boxes.

£175 million? Dream on!

From Arsenal.com:
“All the Executive Boxes are sold and Club Level is about 70 per cent sold out. That is way ahead of where we expected to be at this stage.

JimB

November 16th, 2005, 01:20 PM

From Arsenal.com:
“All the Executive Boxes are sold and Club Level is about 70 per cent sold out. That is way ahead of where we expected to be at this stage.

And the relevance of this quote to my post is........?

My post was in reply to Roar, who suggested that perhaps Arsenal should sell their boxes for £1 million per season and that revenues would subsequently rise to £175 million per annum from boxes alone.

I merely pointed out that that was nothing more than fantasy and that if Arsenal had been able to sell the boxes for £1 million per season (or anything close to that figure), then they wouldn't be selling them for £65K - £150K.

Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to work it out.

tv123

November 16th, 2005, 01:37 PM

i agree.i think its impossible to sell a box for 1million.

Ventura1

November 16th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Jesus, talk about obsessed!!!

I normaly just browse this forum to find out the latest details on the new Arsenal stadium but the amount of idiots posting on this forum recently (mainly jealous Tottenham fans) is unbelieveable!

Please, do everyone a favour and go away and don't come back again unless you actually have something constructive to add to this forum!

I agree that £1m for an executive box is outrageous but I think that the person who originally posted that was joking, obviously you are either too stupid to see this or you just saw it as a great opportunity to launch yet another attack at an Arsenal supporter!

Also, on the subject of finances, I agree that it is stupid to try and predict what the revenue of the club will be for the next 25 years but whatever happens its guaranteed that it will be a damn sight more than our so called "rivals" at Shite Hart Lane! Get used to it, stop being bitter and run along to your own forum where you can dream with fellow spurs supporters about how one day your stadium and your team will actually be half decent!

JimB

November 16th, 2005, 04:41 PM

Roar

November 16th, 2005, 06:46 PM

I have noticed that the lower ring of the stadium is hidden beneath the platform around the stadium - this could make the stadium look much bigger from within (ala the nou camp). I have noticed that the nou camp doesn't look 98,000 from the outside yet it looks like a freakish beheamoth from within.

Sitback

November 16th, 2005, 07:13 PM

Good management (at board level and on the coaching side) is what really matters. And I'm confident (like most neutral observers) that Spurs have finally got the right people in place at every level of the club to mount a serious challenge to the current top three over the coming five years - regardless of shiny new stadiums.

Ha Ha Ha dream on. Fucking Spurs fans.

Roar

November 16th, 2005, 09:19 PM

42 meters high by 250 meters long.

andysimo123

November 16th, 2005, 10:31 PM

I wonder if the club would consider putting the season ticket prices down and making the corporate boxes a million each.

£175 million a season ?

"most Arsenal Fans wo be able to go tu thu ground.

OH right and that's why they are same prices at highbury as they are.
Thats not my problem you can keep going to watch Arsenal and get ripped off and i'll go and see United while not getting ripped off. All good. :)

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November 16th, 2005, 11:04 PM

Ha Ha Ha dream on. Fucking Spurs fans.

Sorry totally agree with JimB for years have been shit and had a board that really didn't listen to the fans now we have that and not only a very good squad. I find so funny that the second Tottenham have good squad it is a crime against humanity it shouldn't happen.

Anyway enough Spurs :|

Funny how people complain about inteligant Spurs on this thread yet don't complain about retard Woolwich Nomads on the White Hart Lane thread ;)

Peyre

November 17th, 2005, 01:07 PM

taken from Archway late last month

http://www.atma83.dsl.pipex.com/Pictures/Emirates/dscf0433copycrop.jpg

Roar

November 18th, 2005, 06:32 PM

It will be finished in 6 months (May)

Peyre

November 18th, 2005, 06:37 PM

Nice, I should get tickets to one of the games next season :) Not that I support Arsenal though :D

Sparks

November 18th, 2005, 07:27 PM

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article...latest+pictures (http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=326195&lid=NewsHeadline⊂=Emirates+Stadium+-+latest+pictures&navlid=&sublid=&Title=Emirates+Stadium+-+latest+pictures)

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_6x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_5x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_4x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_2x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_9x.jpg

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November 18th, 2005, 07:30 PM

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_3x.jpg
Look how big the workers are compared to the stadium :runaway:

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_13x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19112005_5x.jpg

Very impressive.

Q. Where is the away end on the stadium plan? as I will be going there as an away fan of course.

Seeing plenty of this from the SPURS!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/ginola99/output14024color5wb5zb.gif

:cheers:

Roar

November 18th, 2005, 10:30 PM

upto 4000 league

upto 9000 in cup games - that's stupid :eek2:

upto 3000 european games.

The Northern Curve will be the Die-hard goons area.

Roar

November 18th, 2005, 10:42 PM

upto 4000 league

upto 9000 in cup games - that's stupid :eek2:

upto 3000 european games.

The Northern Curve will be the Die-hard goons area.

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November 18th, 2005, 11:21 PM

Nine thousand one must say that is rather a lot but then again Manchester United give away ten thousand on Cup games now that is a jaw dropper.

Ok South-East is that lower or upper tier?

Roar

November 18th, 2005, 11:59 PM

if in excess of 3000-4000 they would use part of the upper curve

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November 19th, 2005, 01:03 AM

if in excess of 3000-4000 they would use part of the upper curve

Upper teir that shall please me I must say for I like uppier teirs well not too botherd just as long as I sing my lungs out.

highburysouljah

November 19th, 2005, 10:21 AM

there are no views from the pitch

andysimo123

November 19th, 2005, 01:49 PM

Nine thousand one must say that is rather a lot but then again Manchester United give away ten thousand on Cup games now that is a jaw dropper.

Ok South-East is that lower or upper tier?
In cups games they get the East Tier 2. Holds about 6000 and sometimes they get the away corner as well but depends what game it is. European games is the same as League games, they get the away corner holds about 2000-3000.

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November 19th, 2005, 02:16 PM

In cups games they get the East Tier 2. Holds about 6000 and sometimes they get the away corner as well but depends what game it is. European games is the same as League games, they get the away corner holds about 2000-3000.

I said it because I got read that Exeter took 10,000 in the 3rd round this year.

andysimo123

November 19th, 2005, 02:50 PM

I said it because I got read that Exeter took 10,000 in the 3rd round this year.
I know they did but thats the only time its happened. They were loads of them I walked in the ground and looked left and I was shocked.

terryfied

November 19th, 2005, 05:53 PM

I said it because I got read that Exeter took 10,000 in the 3rd round this year.

In FA Cup games the visitors are entitled to 15% of the tickets.

Roar

November 19th, 2005, 07:50 PM

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November 19th, 2005, 07:56 PM

now THIS is an atmosphere. at the little old BJK stadium.

http://www.bjkfilms.net/bjk_film/alen.asf

We need to get up to this standard or more at Ashburton Grove lads. To shut everyone up.

If they won't a war at atmosphere they have got one-

I want fireworks, flares, Flags (F*cking Huge ones and millions of em). Everyone shouting and jumping and spitting hate at the likes of scoucers,chav's, mancs and spud's; then intimidating them after the game in the tube stations. Just imagine 57,000 of us against 3,000 of anyone (INCLUDING TURKISH FANS), in the tiny streets of Islington.

I know a lot of grounds that are actually quiter than Highbury. (but at the moment it is shit.) I think Anfield is quite that's how off the mark we are.

Seating has brought the death of An atmoshphere down the Arsenal.

make the lower ring of AG old terracing.

I think every stadium in the country need to that that atmosphere was just brilliant I have sung my heart at Tottenham and with Forest away but I have never seen anything like everyone was singing at Liverpool in the Champions League Semi they were brilliant but not every SINGLE person was singing their lungs like that but still Liverpool were just brilliant can't take that away from them.

just three of the best in the Prem league

Portsmouth
Tottenham
West Ham

Roar

November 19th, 2005, 08:21 PM

would have an atmosphere like that at a semi-final of the european cup.

I am afraid I have to disagree with you there,I still don't think that was loud enough for me to warant a good "atmosphere" there was no venom, jumping crowds, flags and toomuch singing about the clubs success (glory-seekers) hope they rot.

I don't understand why everyone has to lick their arse because of the meja. sure they may have been extremely lucky winning a few european cups but at least we didn't get promoted to the top flight only as late as the sixties.

remember We might win a few European Capsbut I doubt the scoucers will go 50 games unbeaten.

I hope their stadium plan rots although knowing their luck it probably go-ahead.

And providing things don't change in the near future I think we will surpass United's and Liverpool's domestic success. (baring the chav's of course).

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November 19th, 2005, 09:19 PM

Why on Earth you want jumping up and down I don't know but thats you thats what you want. What I love is just walking to my seat singing my heart we have a great atmosphere at Spurs its a shame I say that and people say wow wee what about your team shame people have foregot what it means to have a great atmosphere.

Sitback

November 20th, 2005, 01:27 PM

Spurs is as average atmosphere as you can get you muppet now pipe down.

Roar

November 21st, 2005, 01:20 AM

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/untitled5.JPG

Peyre

November 21st, 2005, 11:57 AM

oh for fucks sake stop all the petty arguments.

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November 21st, 2005, 01:40 PM

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/untitled5.JPG

What makes me laugh is the residents of Highbury complained about Arsenal's plans for a new East stand saying it was too big and to tall and block the view (of what?) while the new Ashburton is huge and 10 meters taller. So can someone please tell me why was the Highbury plans rejected?

Roar

November 22nd, 2005, 09:09 PM

Arsenal will always pull rank on Islington Council.

1. Arsenal's plans were way too rewarding for the council etc to turn down.

2. Anybody whom managed to stop Arsenal's plans would face daily intimidations from ultras for it, eg jambo textiles.

3. Arsenal leaving Islington would be damaging to Islington.

And hey, they have given us planning approval no going back now.

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November 22nd, 2005, 09:36 PM

Yeah I heard that Islington moved Heaven and Earth for Arsenal for them to stay in the area..

JimB

November 23rd, 2005, 12:32 AM

Anybody whom managed to stop Arsenal's plans would face daily intimidations from ultras for it, eg jambo textiles.

Chuckle.

Get a grip, son.

bubomb

November 23rd, 2005, 12:43 AM

Ashburton Grove looks good (almost the same as Da Luz). Poor old spurs. When I was a lad spurs were the big north London club, now it's the other way around.

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November 23rd, 2005, 02:27 PM

About Highbury expansion plans I beleive this to be bollox

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/1886/highbury.html

Current Ground:
Pitch Size = 110 x 73 yards
Capacity = 38,500 all seated

'New' Ground (Highbury redevelopment):
Pitch Size = 125 x 95 yards
Capacity = approx. 65,000 all seated

I just do not beleive that Arsenal had such plans how the f*** can you fit a 65,000 seater stadium a site this size

http://www.manutdzone.com/oldtrafford/photos/HIGHBURY.JPG

Would be good if someone explained what he is on about and say what the original plans were for Highbury I remember that there a planned new Main Stadind really big one.

JimB

November 23rd, 2005, 02:40 PM

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November 23rd, 2005, 03:43 PM

Roar

November 23rd, 2005, 11:39 PM

U-turn over Gunners' right-turn 'sweetener'
nlnews@archant.co.uk
23 November 2005
A ROAD scheme promised to residents as a sweetener for the new Arsenal stadium development has been scrapped.

Residents in the Hillmarton Triangle, Holloway, say they only agreed not to object to the Gunners' new Emirates Stadium after it was agreed Arsenal would pay for work to allow a right-hand turn into Caledonian Road from North Road.

Arsenal stumped up the £300,000 needed - but now Islington Council has pulled the plug on the deal.

Neil Huddart, a senior engineer in the council's street management unit, admitted: "We have met with substantial problems with the re-design of the Hillmarton Road junction.

"These have been caused by the presence of a BT chamber, which contains fibre optic cable on the central junction island, and an EDF Energy chamber."

He added: "This increases the total cost estimate for the scheme to around £500,000. The cost of the scheme is therefore far in excess of the funding available."

Hassan Asmal, who lives in Freegrove Road, near the junction, said he was "absolutely astonished" the plan had been dropped.

He added: "Many residents in the Hillmarton Triangle were persuaded not to object to the Arsenal development, and particularly the waste transfer station, when Arsenal agreed to fund the alteration of the road junction, something for which residents have campaigned for many years and for which there was never enough funding."

Mr Asmal is now threatening to take the row to the local government watchdog.

Mr Huddart added the council was looking into an alternative layout scheme, promising it would be cheaper and offer benefits "likely to be much wider than envisaged in the original scheme".

Councillor Bridget Fox (Liberal Democrat), Islington Council's executive member for sustainability, said: "Islington Council is committed to delivering a scheme that will meet the needs of the present traffic problems within the Hillmarton area.

"We were pleased to have had money from Arsenal to make improvements to the road layout. What we could not foresee was the extent of the works required to make safe the BT junction box.

"We will continue to explore ways to make the necessary improvements - residents quite rightly want the best use made of the limited funds available.

I am no expert on this, but I don't think it is going to be a threat simply because the main structure is complete and the council cannot revoke planning permission.

Philip Cronin

November 24th, 2005, 02:53 PM

What makes me laugh is the residents of Highbury complained about Arsenal's plans for a new East stand saying it was too big and to tall and block the view (of what?) while the new Ashburton is huge and 10 meters taller. So can someone please tell me why was the Highbury plans rejected?
Highbury is immediately adjacent to housing, and the new stadium isn't.

2005

November 24th, 2005, 04:54 PM

Highbury is immediately adjacent to housing, and the new stadium isn't.

True and the residents rejected it but then again http://www.redcard.org.uk/

The proposals
Arsenal FC PLC has submitted 4 planning applications covering three separate sites to enable them to build a 60,000 seat multi-use stadium on the Industrial Estate known as Ashburton Grove, N7. The Stadium is 43 metres high and covers about 15 acres in total - it will be visible from other boroughs. It is surrounded by 6 tower blocks for housing and other uses. Each of these is between 36 metres and 42 metres in height. Islington Council has a policy against buildings being higher than 30 metres. The total land covered by the applications is nearly 60 acres on 3 separate main sites: Highbury Stadium, Ashburton Grove and Lough Road.

Roar

November 24th, 2005, 06:05 PM

I think...

Roar

November 25th, 2005, 03:07 PM

to move the marble halls to Ashburton Grove.

It will add an essence of imperialism. :)

Roar

November 27th, 2005, 02:27 PM

As you will have to play there in future in the champions league.

2005

November 27th, 2005, 02:29 PM

The same as us in the United Kingdom ;)

mauritius gunner

November 27th, 2005, 06:22 PM

Can somebody please tell me which is the most updated and recent thread for emirates stadium as I have discovered 3- the aforementioned, this one and another one going on about space and glass.

P.S. Roar, keep antagonising JimB, your interchanges on the WHL site are amusing

JimB

November 27th, 2005, 08:15 PM

P.S. Roar, keep antagonising JimB, your interchanges on the WHL site are amusing

Eh?

I don't get antagonized, son. Especially not by an overexcitable kid like Roar.

I'm quite happy to be patient, though, and to put him right when required - which is quite often!

mauritius gunner

November 28th, 2005, 08:17 PM

fair game

Ventura1

November 29th, 2005, 01:47 PM

These pictures really help to imagine what its going to be like in the stadium, the sightlines look excellent!

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/panorama.jpg

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/emirates 6 October 2005.jpg

www.sercan.de

November 29th, 2005, 04:36 PM

great pics

so, Arsenal will built residentials at Highbury and Ashburton Grove?
and the new area belongs to Arsenal? Since when?

Ventura1

November 29th, 2005, 05:28 PM

Yes, they will be building residential apartments at Highbury and Ashburton Grove, I'm not too sure about the exact plans for AG but for Highbury they will be building 711 apartments, comprising of studios, one-, two- and three-bedrooms and penthouses. Here are some pics of the Highbury development...

http://www.arsenal.com/images/PreviousSite/root/h/highburysquare1x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/PreviousSite/root/h/highburysquare2x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/PreviousSite/root/h/highburysquare3x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/PreviousSite/root/h/highburysquare4x.jpg

2005

November 29th, 2005, 05:49 PM

http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/ashburton/images/Arsenal_09.jpg

http://www.arsenal-mania.com/images/article_photos/YaihesmFc.jpg

http://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/ashburton/index.html#ashburton1

Lostboy

November 29th, 2005, 07:52 PM

Its clearly a nicer more modern stadium, but Highbury had a class and heritage about it, I'm glad that its listed so they can't knock it down.

cianobuckley

November 29th, 2005, 10:07 PM

Its really similar to Da Luz on the inside even though the Luz is slightly bigger :)

cianobuckley

November 29th, 2005, 10:09 PM

Is the pitch at highbury really that small? Or is it just the position of the cameras?

2005

November 29th, 2005, 10:25 PM

Is the pitch at highbury really that small? Or is it just the position of the cameras?

No it really is that small, Highbury is a small stadium I still get surprised when I read the capacity being 38,000 I've driven past the East stand and it is tiny.

carlspannoosh

November 29th, 2005, 11:48 PM

Although Highbury's pitch is one of the smallest in the league at 110 x 73 yds the angle of the TV Camera makes the pitch look at lot tighter than it is.
The ideal pitch is about 115 x 75 which is also the most common size.
Apparently Everton's is the smallest at 110 x 70 and If I remember right,Tottenham's is the same size as Anfield at 110 x 75.

2005

November 29th, 2005, 11:58 PM

Can't lie Tottenham's pitch is very small but I never knew Anfield's was.

cianobuckley

November 30th, 2005, 12:37 PM

wow arsenal play such good one touch passing football and on such a tight pitch.One wonders what they will be able to achieve on the new bigger pitch!

Yeah though i agree with you maybe Anfields pitch is small but it really doesn't seem so...

JimB

November 30th, 2005, 01:25 PM

wow arsenal play such good one touch passing football and on such a tight pitch.One wonders what they will be able to achieve on the new bigger pitch!

Hard to say. You'd think that a bigger pitch would suit their style but when Wenger's first great Arsenal team played their Champions League games at Wembley (which has a big pitch) for a couple of years, their record was poor. It's a different team now, granted, but there's no guarantee that the current lot would necessarily do better on a bigger pitch.

unfrequented

November 30th, 2005, 02:52 PM

http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/STADIUM%20PLAN.JPG

www.sercan.de

November 30th, 2005, 03:33 PM

thank you guys
but my question was more, if the Ashburton Grove area belongs to Arsenal?
Sorry for offtopic, but i'm asking it, because here in Istanbul Galatsaray wants to build also a stadium and some residentials in a new area.
But some peolple (Fenerbahçe and Erdogan [FB fan] are againts it, because in their opinion a sportclub should only build a stadium.
But GS wants also these 1000 apartments [140-160 mio. $-US].
Thank you
I am jealous

Roar

November 30th, 2005, 09:42 PM

I think you probably will get your new stadium because it is very rare that a local government turns down the opportunity of residentials. Look at Arsenal and the things we have to build but at the end of the day it was worth it.

Some important things to consider -

Arsenal and Spurs can put pressure on their respected councils because of the power they hold - large fanbases, fans within the council, money, economic value, legal sweeteners, tourism etc. Galatasaray can always make the local government scared by threatening to leave.

The opposition to Arsenal's new ground weren't very powerful - The ISCA for example claimed that 75% of LOCAL residents were against the plans ie the highbury flat sales. But 75% of ISLINGTON Residents were in Favour.

I think Galatasaray are too powerful to lose - Although your area may be owned by the Local Authorities.

Roar

November 30th, 2005, 09:44 PM

-THE ISCA website has not been updated for nearly a year by the way, (the last time they opened their gobs (it was about the land to the south of the new stadium which would not have affected the new stadium itself). Their argument was rejected so we have now bought them all out.

THE ASHBURTON GROVE SITE IS OWNED BY ASHBURTON PROPERTIES INC. A MEMBER OF THE ARSENAL GROUP.

They are the ones whom have taken the debt on their shoulders and we will feed them parts of our profits to help that branch of our company.

www.sercan.de

November 30th, 2005, 10:32 PM

sorry for offtopic
actually the situation is so.

We (Galatasaray) want to buy a new Area (383.000m²) with 3 cooperatives. (GS has got the 30 year utilization right and the 3 coops want to build here 5.000-10.000 apartments. So they made a deal with GS. GS will get 1000-1250 apartments and disclaim for that 30 year utilization right if the 3 coops buy the money for the area)
So everybody was waiting for the "auctioning" of the Area.
[2002 the area valua was ~10 mio. $-US. After GS announced their interest for that area it rise to 55 mio. $-US)
But at this time FB president meddle.
"GS is a sportclub. They cannot built apartments. So they will get +150 mio. $-US"
With the help of Erdogan now everything is "stopped" and not clear.
IMO ist unfair, because, they didn't allowed GS to built their new stadium in the middle of the city. But allowed it to FB.
And now FB can build a plaza next to his stadium
:(

We are waiting since 1996 for a new stadium :(

sorry guys

Are there any other proposals for the Arsenal Stadium?

antigr12

November 30th, 2005, 10:50 PM

fenerbahce should shut up , they seem jealous and have not the right to pressure any people or even express an opinion about their main concurrent project , just because it'd far better than their actual saracoglu , that's so fucked up .

2005

November 30th, 2005, 11:51 PM

The Tottenham forum I go on as knows every "rivals" site so I went on a AWIMB to see the emirates pics then came across this.

AISA Survey - Fans urged to have their say

The Arsenal Independent Supporters’ Association (AISA) has launched a survey, together with the three Arsenal fanzines, and fans are being urged to have their say on all things Arsenal.

10,000 copies of the survey are being distributed before the Carling cup-tie against Reading and forthcoming matches against Ajax and Chelsea.

The fanzines The Gooner, Highbury High and Gunflash are including the survey in their new editions, reaching a further 10,000 supporters, and copies are also available on various websites.

Paul Matz, chairman of AISA, says:

"This survey is a real chance for fans to have a say on ticket prices, on seat allocation at the new stadium, on whether racism is still a problem, how the Club are encouraging the next generation of supporters and much, much more.

"It’s a real opportunity for supporters to say whether the club is making progress off the field or going backwards.

"Three premiership titles and four FA Cup victories in the Wenger era speak for themselves about Arsenal’s success on the field. The question is whether the Club’s policies and infrastructure development match this success, and enable it to be sustained into the future.

"We want to know your views!"

Roar

December 1st, 2005, 02:26 AM

AWIMB number 1 baby!!!!

Are you registered with SIMB? we alway's invade the spurs message board.

2005

December 1st, 2005, 11:30 AM

AWIMB number 1 baby!!!!

Are you registered with SIMB? we alway's invade the spurs message board.

SIMB?

don't know what that means but I have a Tottenham Forum We've invaded KUMB (Knees Up Mother Brown) West Ham site also Arsenal-mania has been invaded some times. We have a list of every clubs message board so if anyone attcks then we can instantly find out who did it and invade in true style :)

tom2933

December 1st, 2005, 02:18 PM

Roar

December 1st, 2005, 05:14 PM

Hi, I am a 1st year civil engineering student. I am doing a report about the new Arsenal stadium. There is plenty on information on the Internet about most aspects of the project, but there is very little regarding the construction. What I am trying to find out is, in brief, how this stadium is constructed. E.g. foundations etc. Any help on this matter would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Tom

www.arsenal.com, bruv, it has loads on the stadium facts etc on the emirates stadium page.

awimb.com - then go to photo album on the quicklinks for Ashburton grove and it has lots of pictures of the interior plans etc.

HOK sports venue events has lots of info.

Welshlad

December 1st, 2005, 07:32 PM

Hi, I am a 1st year civil engineering student. I am doing a report about the new Arsenal stadium. There is plenty on information on the Internet about most aspects of the project, but there is very little regarding the construction. What I am trying to find out is, in brief, how this stadium is constructed. E.g. foundations etc. Any help on this matter would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Tom

HaHa, me 2!!!

Was a throw up between this or the channel tunnel rail link for me

tom2933

December 1st, 2005, 08:28 PM

Cheers. Those sites are pretty useful for general facts but I really need to find out how the stadium is built like from scratch, none of the companies seem to want to explain the exact process. Have you managed to find any specific construction information for your report?

Cheers
Tom

tv123

December 2nd, 2005, 12:15 AM

tv123

December 2nd, 2005, 12:22 AM

and

http://www.islington.gov.uk/Business/ABET/arsenal_development2.asp

http://www.islington.gov.uk/DownloadableDocuments/Business/Pdf/arsenal_development_footprint.pdf

Roar

December 4th, 2005, 10:41 PM

Not far now lads....

James21

December 5th, 2005, 11:43 AM

the webcam on the arsenal webiste (which used to be outside and was pretty pintless has been moved inside so you can see what is going on, very impressive!)

take a look at

http://www.arsenal.com/emiratesstadium/article.asp?article=243587

Sparks

December 5th, 2005, 05:57 PM

^^

good move by them, I just wish it was streamed at a higher speed.

2005

December 7th, 2005, 11:53 PM

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQPZMJF1

Lucky cVnts ;)
Truly brilliant game tho.

Roar

December 8th, 2005, 11:36 PM

Looks a bit like an Englishy style- Estadio da Luz

Luvin it.

Plus Ashburton Grove will have marble halls whom else can promote that kind of classy stadium.

2005

December 9th, 2005, 02:42 PM

Looks a bit like an Englishy style- Estadio da Luz

Luvin it.

Plus Ashburton Grove will have marble halls whom else can promote that kind of classy stadium.

To make you feel at the home

Donc ce que vraiment ne soigne pas pour vous dire la vérité je pense que vous trouvez que son ce qu'arrive sur l'hauteur est quelles questions,

mauritius gunner

December 9th, 2005, 11:09 PM

watch it son, I know french.

Yes, Estadio da Luz, same architects (HOK Sport).
Oh, and incidentally, THE very venue that Man United got kicked out of the champions league.

Roar

December 10th, 2005, 06:12 PM

It would be good to promote the new ground in such a way.

highburysouljah

December 11th, 2005, 01:52 AM

why would arsenal want to increase their pitch size if they have a good record at home on their narrow pitch

tv123

December 11th, 2005, 06:57 PM

why would arsenal want to increase their pitch size if they have a good record at home on their narrow pitch

another stupid comment

yeah we are good only at home(like in our unbeaten season)

2005

December 11th, 2005, 08:04 PM

another stupid comment

yeah we are good only at home(like in our unbeaten season)

I wouldn't say that is a stupid comment I do agree with highburysouljah well if you look at Arsenals' record so far this season

Won all home games

Away form

P8 W1 D2 L5 F6 A11

Very poor by anyones standards so I wouldn't call the comment stupid I see your point but Vieira was sold Edu went on a free as well Arsenal having a big injury list I think the Unbeaten season has gone.

Sitback

December 11th, 2005, 08:59 PM

Our away record has been shocking this year (apart from in Europe). We are missing Ashley Cole. We will still finish 3rd tho by the time December is finish we should have all our squad back to full fitness.

JimB

December 12th, 2005, 12:19 AM

by the time December is finish we should have all our squad back to full fitness.

You're assuming that you won't suffer further injuries in the meanwhile.

But yes. You should still finish in the top three. Poor show if you don't.

highburysouljah

December 12th, 2005, 09:10 AM

and away teams can't cope with our narrow pitch thats why we have a good defensive record at home, widening the pitch will take that away.

in saying that i think uefa change rules with pitch sizes for new stadiums

Roar

December 14th, 2005, 10:44 PM

If they honestly think that we won't sell out the new stadium.

If we were to go along with the general media attitude of not having a new ground - would it have made sense to stay at highbury? or take on a slight risk of having to pay 18 million in debts in exchange for 50 MILLION IN POTENCIAL ADDITIONAL REVENUE. I think the choise is obvious.

What a beautiful stadium.

One of Europes Finest "Big Grounds".

Iain1974

December 14th, 2005, 10:53 PM

Roar

December 14th, 2005, 11:14 PM

Anyone know what the break-even point will be in Ashburton grove? 48k? 52k? I'd imagine it's pretty high but Arsenal shouldn't have any trouble unless they start playing like Spurs have done for most of the last 20 years.

you see mate...

this is where the press go wrong...

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS CRUCIAL IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROJECT.

The revenue from the new ground WILL MAKE WHAT A FULL 90,000 SEAT HIGHBURY CAN!!!

35 Million from executives

and the 55 million from regulars.

around 1000 pounds per fan providing their all season ticket holders.

Potencial revenue at highbury.... 35 MILLION.

potencial revenue at Ashburton Grove ... 90 MILLION.

SO OUT OF A 50 million pound rise in yearly profit we have to pay just 18 million.

So at the end of the day a number of these cominations would mean arsenal not losing anything on the project in order of most profitious situations......................

- Whole stadium sold out. - Full £90 million = £32 million pound profit

- Executives areas all sold out and 40,000 regulars. - £80 Million - £22 million pound profit.

- Executives areas all sold out and 30,000 regulars- £70 million - £12 million pound profit.

- no one in executive areas, 51,000 regulars - minimum profit made before debts create a loss.

IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ARSENAL TO MAKE A LOSS ON THE PROJECT.

2005

December 15th, 2005, 11:06 AM

Don't get excited YET Roar I think it is all expectations and the way Arsenal have been playing of late hasn't impressed the support I think they will fill the ground but I admit that Tottenham fans can be very fickle but then agin so can Arsenal and if Arsenal finished fourth next seasn then straight away the fans will be on the players back etc etc. I'm sorry say so but it is true I swear if Arsenal finish third some of the goons I know will up in arms and I'm not joking.

Iain1974

December 15th, 2005, 03:40 PM

IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ARSENAL TO MAKE A LOSS ON THE PROJECT.

Look, if you're going to paraphrase Peter Risdale then good luck! ;)

When and if Arsenal can't maintain their strong team (as Man Utd are finding out) then it'll be very difficult to maximise revenue as you're suggesting. You'll not seel out all the executive seats if you can't make the top 6. As surprising as it may seem, inside two years you could be the 3rd best team in London and a much less attractive proposition than at present. There'll be executive seats at Spurs, Chelsea, Wembley and Twickenham in competition with Ashburton Grove.

What I'm saying is you Goons need to be realistic about how quickly the financial situation at a football club can head south if the team can't maintain a top 4 or top 6 standard. There are countless examples of this hapenning all over the UK and Europe.

MoreOrLess

December 15th, 2005, 05:55 PM

As I said before I'd question what these "PROFIT!" figures really show. If they are merely how much Arsenal expect to make in turnover per season once the loan repayments(maybe staffing, mantainance aswell?) from building it are made then to call it profit is clearly incorrect and without some comparison to what other clubs get from matchday revenue its hard to tell how impressive those figures are. Even if it is bringing in more gross matchday revenue than any other stadium in the country/europe when sold out your still paying a £350 million loan from that cash unlike most other clubs.

Iain1974

December 15th, 2005, 07:09 PM

tv123

December 15th, 2005, 10:28 PM

Roar

December 15th, 2005, 11:28 PM

u will be very surprised

and Arsenal will finish minimum 4th this season

Arsene wenger claimed that after all these seasons of success he would have considered applying for a 70,000 seater....

kingdomca

December 15th, 2005, 11:55 PM

Well said MoreOrLess

All we seem to hear about is Arsenals best case scenario. Of course they may well sell out for a few seasons but I doubt they've ever averaged 60,000 for a season. In fact I'd be surprised if they've ever broken 50,000 for a season.

might well be true, but things were different in the pre-season ticket era.

Now arsenal will fill the venue because season tickets are the only way to see the big games and they would have to be very expensive to not sell out.

Or rather, they will not always fill it completly because a few available match-day ticket for smaller games will most likely not be sold, but there will be a lot of 59,000 crowds.
Its the same with other clubs. If you want to judge Liverpools crowd potential its not whether there are 1,000 empty seats for portsmouth in january. Its the (credible) size of the season ticket waiting list.

If capacity is 44,000 and Liverpool get 43,000 for portsmouth it doesnt mean there would not be more if a 60,000 capacity allowed for more season tickets.There would probably again be just under capacity, because its the match tickets for smaller games that are hard to sell.

Roar

December 16th, 2005, 01:57 AM

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/notforsale.gif

dumb ass united fan.

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/mancs.gif

Shrek and van horseface.

Roar

December 16th, 2005, 02:29 AM

MoreOrLess

December 16th, 2005, 12:07 PM

Just 18 million yearly and that is going to really bankrupt us????

I don't know if it is or not or just how sucessful the stadium will be without seeing a more complete profit/loss figures. I'm not trying to put it down but mearly quoting lots of big numbers without doing the above doesnt achieve much IMHO.

I'd certainly agree with kingdomca aswell, teams lowest attendances or even average attendances are not always the best guide to weather they would fill a larger stadium. Personally I think when it comes to building or planning new/renovated stadiums the big English clubs have been quite conservative in recent years compaired to most european teams for fear of empty seats. Even the much touted "decline" in public interest is largely a media invention if you ask me, the most obvious reason for the slight dip in attendances is that Leeds are no longer in the prem and the teams that have replaced them like Wigan have much smaller grounds/fanbases.

Roar

December 16th, 2005, 10:08 PM

2005

December 16th, 2005, 10:27 PM

I guess it does pay to have a large ground to accomodate large crowds, can't wait till we open it with 60,000.

Can you imagine the difference in revenue between Arsenal vs Madrid at Ashburton Grove... compared to Spurs vs pompey. cor its ties like that which will pay off repayments in a jifee.

I think games like that at Ashburton Grove could make around 3.5 million :eek2: .

The Champions League is like a box of chocolates you don't know who's gonna win it.... sadly it was the cheating rats from anfield again.....

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/buf.jpg
again

The Champions League is like a box of chocolates you don't know who's gonna win it.... sadly it was the cheating rats from anfield again.....

Thats rich. Pires, Reyes, Van Persie..

Roar

December 16th, 2005, 10:52 PM

Jealous?

If we beat them cor, luvin it.

highburysouljah

December 17th, 2005, 09:15 AM

man when are arsenal gonna post new pictures :bash:

2zanzibar

December 17th, 2005, 01:08 PM

man when are arsenal gonna post new pictures :bash:

I'm wondering the same thing

on a more aesthetic note, the stadium does look absolutely beautiful and if you take the train from KingsX or Moorgate its pretty breathtaking, especially as you have highbury in the distance....all a bit poetic actually...But, after stumbling upon this thread recently I noticed that it has often been compared to the Stadio da Luz. Now that is one MF ugly stadium, and I'm hoping Ashburton Grove is going to be far less vulgar. At the moment it looks very elegant and granted the curves are similar to Satio da Luz. But I'm almost tempted to say don't start painting everything red like S.d.Luz its way too overbearing. Ashburton Grove as is now in its sort of greyish/brown state looks quite serene and classy. I know they'll have to put red seats in which is almost a shame but a necessity, but please keep it at that and don't start painting everything else red also...keep it tastefull!

Also does anyone know if and where they will be putting the old clock into the stadium

And lastly; don't you think they should leave the old Highbury pitch as a pitch instead poncyfying it to some BBC garden design standard. If they leave it a pitch I'm sure you could double the prices of the flats!
just a thought

MoreOrLess

December 17th, 2005, 02:37 PM

The Luz looks like it will have better views IMHO considering the height restrictions have made the bottom tier of emeriates quite shallow but astectically I agree its not as good looking.

Noostairz

December 17th, 2005, 03:17 PM

Noostairz

December 17th, 2005, 03:29 PM

it isn't the most recent of pics, but i hadn't seen this one before (at least not at this size). see what i mean about the roof?

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/44/442/442459/ar_reut.jpg

why did they have to have a sloping roof!? this looks so much bigger and better, and this is what emirates could've looked like:

http://www.grundfos.com/web/grfosweb.nsf/GrafikOpslag/case_story_ws/$File/station_s.jpg

manicants2004

December 17th, 2005, 03:34 PM

Personally I prefer the design of the Stade De Luz.

Firstly the design of the roof is far more interesting and pleasing to the eye than the Emirates. It is evocative of overlapping layers of cobwebs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/innen_15.jpg

I accept the difference in design is probably largely due to the planning restrictions placed on Arsenal FC.

In terms of the exterior The Emirates is no different to the new Wembley Stadium, lots of glass and concrete. This really is not new or imaginative and is characteristic of any corporate head office you care to mention. When the John Ireland Stand at Molineux opened 26 years ago it was considered cutting edge design because of the inclusion of office space and a glazed exterior. It just goes to show you how little has changed.

Criticism has also be made of the fact that the Da Luz has a red painted exterior. Surely the use of colour is preferable to the grey and drab exterior of the Emirates or the new Wembley Stadium. The inventive use of colour can really help to create the identity of a stadium. A Good example is the Jose Alvalade Stadium in Lisbon:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/sporting1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/aussen_10.jpg

There can be no mistake that Sporting Lisbon play at this stadium, it is integral to the identity of the club.

2zanzibar

December 17th, 2005, 07:17 PM

it's not gonna be as good as the luz (or whatever it's called) because:

a) it's got a smaller capacity
b) the roof slopes down a la old trafford, so you can't actually see the top tiers of the stands from certain angles, which makes it look smaller than it is
and c) the lower tier is too shallow.

having said that it will still be a good stadium.

Point taken with the roof. I hope it won't be as steep as the Man U one, that seems a bit ridiculous to me, if you're at the top everything else gets obscured except the pitch
this image freaks me out a bit

the trusses seem too dominant, as though the stadium will buckle under the weight
heres my point about the colour, the grey looks really beautiful, its what I like about St James' Park

apart from actually being there and how it will generate atmosphere, I guess its also how looks on tv. Lets face it, the Nou Camp looks unbelievably awesome on the box, I've been to the Bernabau and although it was breathtaking, it looks far more imposing on tv. With ManU the only time you get to see the top tier is when ITV do those low angle shots looking up at the players, then you can finally see below the roof. I hope AG won't be like that.
What a great summer ahead! the World cup, an open TourdeFrance for the 1st time in 7 years and the opening of Ashburton Gr

2zanzibar

December 17th, 2005, 07:18 PM

oops sorry, can't figure out how to upload an image yet...will work on it

Roar

December 17th, 2005, 08:05 PM

1. It has MARBLE HALLS - BLINGIN.

2. Designed for atmosphere.

The shallow seating and sloping roof will really boom up the noise.

A good example is Anfield = the main stand (not the Kop) is enclosed on itself while holding 11,000+ (perfect design for keeping an atmoshpere.)

If you look at Old trafford and St.James park you will notice that the stands that are housing the mics are not designed for atmosphere.

Both have a steady roof.

The worst stadiums for helping atmosphere are th ones like highbury where the noise just flies off into the nights sky. FFS.

3. The money -

Arsenal WILL HAVE the most Matchday turnover than any other club in the world. :coswemilkthecorporates:
It will give Mr. Wenger a rather large war-chest, now fergie will know the pressure of having no transfer power.
I believe that on numerous occasions that many of the club officials have commented on A HUGE INCREASE in revenue.

Wenger:- "it will make us 50% stronger". = £57.5 million pounds a season extra?????????

Of course you have to take into the consideration that a drop in the clubs consistency will lead to problems... but for goodness sake as long as we fill it up in the short term most of the serious debt will be destroyed.

4. Attracts new players - Players will assume a bigger stadium indicates a clubs size, which isn't true, but hey it's not our problem!! look at Anfield And Highbury.

Stamford Bridge doesn't count because they are a small club with a lot of money whom will be destroyed because of roman abromovich's departure whelst he didn't invest his cash into other revenue streams IE. A NEW STADIUM.

5. Attracts new fans, you know the saying if you build; they will come.

mauritius gunner

December 17th, 2005, 08:09 PM

All this talk about filling the ground?

We ARE the biggest club in London. Forget Chelsea's nouveau riche and Kenyon's rant about buying half of london. 40,000 on the seaon ticket waiting list, over 100,000 red and silver members out there. We will fill the ground, week in and week out. Henry or no Henry

2zanzibar

December 17th, 2005, 09:21 PM

Ok apart from tomrrows match with Chelski, lets get to the most important point; does anyone know whats happening to the old clock???

GNU

December 17th, 2005, 10:07 PM

i have to say that to me DaLuz is just the most beautiful stadium in terms of proportion.I think that the designers have done everything right with this stadium.
Reliant is also very good,but DaLuz beats it in terms of optics.
It doesnt actually look like a 65.000 seater but rather like an 78.000 seat stadium.

someone mentioned the new colour scheme of the emirates stadium.
Well I think it is ok to have a red theme throughout the stadium.It helps the fans to identify themselves with the stadium more.
and i think it also looks good.

emirates will be a great venue and Im eagerly waiting to see this stadium fullhouse.
More so than with the new Wembley.
Its just a bit sad that the lower tier is so flat.

krodiger

December 17th, 2005, 10:42 PM

Its just a bit sad that the lower tier is so flat.

Why is sad?

GNU

December 17th, 2005, 11:10 PM

Why is sad?

because I prefer steep tiers.
they create a better atmosphere and its better for the spectators.

MoreOrLess

December 18th, 2005, 12:29 AM

The roof doesnt look like steeply inclined to me, its only really the really tops of the stands that will be cut off. In Old Traffords case I don't think its the incline that hurts the atmosphere at the top of the north stand (there is afterall no massive stand to see on the other side) so much as the fact that your cutoff at the sides, hopefully the new devolpment will help with that.

I'd also say that while having a high roof does look more impressive in pictures it can IMHO take away from the atmosphere of a ground and is the dowside of the "4 bulges" style stand shape. The idea roof for me starts directly at the top of the stands and goes out at a around a 90 degree angle.

James21

December 18th, 2005, 11:35 AM

The inventive use of colour can really help to create the identity of a stadium

That sporting Lisbon stadium is horrific, it looks like it was designed by 6yr olds in a school competition by basically slapping around as many colours as possible.

once they have the glass over the cores on the outside and the big arsenal crests it will look much better and classy rather than cheap like Lisbon. Also the roof isn't that bad, from the pitch you will be able to see it all only if you are at the top will the view be slightly obscured.

i dont think they have made a decision on the clock yet, think they are searching for somewhere to put it!!!

Turbosnail

December 18th, 2005, 12:53 PM

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/44/442/442459/ar_reut.jpg

Check out the pitch size - tiny!!! :hahaha:

mauritius gunner

December 18th, 2005, 01:13 PM

I disagree with you there, NY Giants stadium is 78000 and looks much bigger than da Luz. Remember that there is no running track around this ground, therefore allowing for much taller stands next to the ground

tv123

December 18th, 2005, 02:13 PM

"because I prefer steep tiers.
they create a better atmosphere and its better for the spectators."

i think lower tiers can create better atmosphere and from the pitch(for the players) it looks better

does this roof allow more light for the grass?

ManchesterISwonderful

December 18th, 2005, 05:20 PM

That sporting Lisbon stadium is horrific, it looks like it was designed by 6yr olds in a school competition by basically slapping around as many colours as possible.

Not at all. The seats give them impression the stadium is full when it's not.

Anyway. . .

The Scotsman:

While much attention has been focused on Manchester United's exit from Europe and the potential impact on the business plan at Old Trafford, the plight of Arsenal, eight months ahead of their move to the prestigious new Emirates Stadium, has been overlooked.

Yet the Londoners head into the new year among the most indebted football clubs in history, and with some sources in the City of London beginning to wonder whether they are showing the strain of having to service their massive £260m loan.

Arsenal's debt is twice the amount that sank Leeds after the Yorkshire club, Icarus-like, staked all on flying close to the bright heat of a European Cup semi-final. It is also more than twice the amount which would have bankrupted Chelsea had Roman Abramovich not opened his wallet for the benefit of the Stamford Bridge club just days before the debt-collectors moved in.

And around the hallowed, marbled halls of the old Highbury stadium this past week, after successive away defeats at Bolton and Newcastle, the murmurings have been about "doing a Leeds", of Arsenal becoming bogged down in a quagmire of high finance. The danger signals are already there for all to see.

The most obvious sign of trouble has been Thierry Henry's unsigned contract. Henry, the club captain, is emblematic of Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, with its pace, poise and awesome skill. Yet there is already a sense that the striker, now 28, has his heart set on one last big move, with Barcelona apparently poised to add him to their collection of many talents.

In a Doomsday scenario, then, Arsenal might become the latest and biggest victims yet of the "Curse of the New Stadium". Think Leicester, or Derby County, or Southampton, or Sunderland, or Millwall: all clubs that have bravely developed new home grounds and then, as they have invested in bricks and mortar at the expense of the team, lost their top-division status.
Even the English FA, through its building of the new Wembley, faces an uncertain financial future.

Arsenal were traditionally "the Bank of England" club, but even they have had to pour the bulk of their resources - £97m - into getting the £360m stadium built. This cash contribution includes the proceeds of land sales around Highbury, the sale of an equity stake by TV group Granada, and income from its deal with sportswear manufacturer Nike. It has left Arsenal with little wriggle room in the club's current account.

The financial vortex Arsenal have found themselves sucked into revolves around the £260m loan arranged nearly two years ago with a group of six banks, led by the Royal Bank of Scotland. Because of the commercially high risk nature of the construction project, the interest due was fixed at an expensive rate, accruing at around £15m a year. Put simply, the interest alone will cost Arsenal all its likely profits from next year's clash with Real Madrid.

It is suggested that it was the lenders - RBS, Banco Espirito Santo, Bank of Ireland, Allied Irish Banks, CIT Group Structured Finance (UK) and HSH Nordbank - who insisted that Arsenal accept the long-term stadium-naming and shirt deal with Emirates. Unpopular with the fans, who wanted Ashburton Grove to be called "New Highbury", the deal is worth £100m over 15 years. While it is a guarantee of nearly £7m a year income, it rates only moderately alongside the £10m-a-year sponsor deal signed by Chelsea last year with mobile phone company Samsung, a shorter term arrangement that covers shirt sponsorship only.

Martuh

December 18th, 2005, 06:37 PM

Not at all. The seats give them impression the stadium is full when it's not.

The seats should be coloured to the club that plays in the stadium, and not stupid happy beautiful colours.

ManchesterISwonderful

December 18th, 2005, 07:03 PM

The seats should be coloured to the club that plays in the stadium, and not stupid happy beautiful colours.

Empty stadiums don't look good.

I think it's a great idea.

As for Arsenal. Hilarious.

Roar

December 18th, 2005, 09:35 PM

Not at all. The seats give them impression the stadium is full when it's not.

Anyway. . .

The Scotsman:

While much attention has been focused on Manchester United's exit from Europe and the potential impact on the business plan at Old Trafford, the plight of Arsenal, eight months ahead of their move to the prestigious new Emirates Stadium, has been overlooked.

Yet the Londoners head into the new year among the most indebted football clubs in history, and with some sources in the City of London beginning to wonder whether they are showing the strain of having to service their massive £260m loan.

Arsenal's debt is twice the amount that sank Leeds after the Yorkshire club, Icarus-like, staked all on flying close to the bright heat of a European Cup semi-final. It is also more than twice the amount which would have bankrupted Chelsea had Roman Abramovich not opened his wallet for the benefit of the Stamford Bridge club just days before the debt-collectors moved in.

And around the hallowed, marbled halls of the old Highbury stadium this past week, after successive away defeats at Bolton and Newcastle, the murmurings have been about "doing a Leeds", of Arsenal becoming bogged down in a quagmire of high finance. The danger signals are already there for all to see.

The most obvious sign of trouble has been Thierry Henry's unsigned contract. Henry, the club captain, is emblematic of Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, with its pace, poise and awesome skill. Yet there is already a sense that the striker, now 28, has his heart set on one last big move, with Barcelona apparently poised to add him to their collection of many talents.

In a Doomsday scenario, then, Arsenal might become the latest and biggest victims yet of the "Curse of the New Stadium". Think Leicester, or Derby County, or Southampton, or Sunderland, or Millwall: all clubs that have bravely developed new home grounds and then, as they have invested in bricks and mortar at the expense of the team, lost their top-division status.
Even the English FA, through its building of the new Wembley, faces an uncertain financial future.

Arsenal were traditionally "the Bank of England" club, but even they have had to pour the bulk of their resources - £97m - into getting the £360m stadium built. This cash contribution includes the proceeds of land sales around Highbury, the sale of an equity stake by TV group Granada, and income from its deal with sportswear manufacturer Nike. It has left Arsenal with little wriggle room in the club's current account.

The financial vortex Arsenal have found themselves sucked into revolves around the £260m loan arranged nearly two years ago with a group of six banks, led by the Royal Bank of Scotland. Because of the commercially high risk nature of the construction project, the interest due was fixed at an expensive rate, accruing at around £15m a year. Put simply, the interest alone will cost Arsenal all its likely profits from next year's clash with Real Madrid.

It is suggested that it was the lenders - RBS, Banco Espirito Santo, Bank of Ireland, Allied Irish Banks, CIT Group Structured Finance (UK) and HSH Nordbank - who insisted that Arsenal accept the long-term stadium-naming and shirt deal with Emirates. Unpopular with the fans, who wanted Ashburton Grove to be called "New Highbury", the deal is worth £100m over 15 years. While it is a guarantee of nearly £7m a year income, it rates only moderately alongside the £10m-a-year sponsor deal signed by Chelsea last year with mobile phone company Samsung, a shorter term arrangement that covers shirt sponsorship only.

OMG WTF!? ah what do you expect from a stupid northener... with no idea about how Arsenal are doing.

That post is flawed

1. We don't get £7 million a year from Emirates. we get £72 million over 7 years (10.2 million a year!), THEN in the remainder of time (8 years) they pay us the remainder of cash AND the shirt deal expires after 8 years which means we can add on another shirt deal during the later stage of the deal.

2. Arsenal won't have a problem filling the new ground because we are not comparable to those clubs mentioned. (2) The new stadium itself will attract futher visitors and gives our boss an extra war chest then investing further into the team and then in turn help's sit bums on seats ala chavski. (3) Fans who couldn't go before will now say to themselves, "Hey, let's go to the new ground!!!".
(4) over 50,000 people on waiting list. End of discusion. As long as we fill it out for the first few seasons the war-chest that arsene wanted will be there.

reyrey

December 18th, 2005, 10:47 PM

still makes you 20 points behind the russians

ManchesterISwonderful

December 18th, 2005, 11:04 PM

OMG WTF!? ah what do you expect from a stupid northener... with no idea about how Arsenal are doing.

That post is flawed

1. We don't get £7 million a year from Emirates. we get £72 million over 7 years (10.2 million a year!), THEN in the remainder of time (8 years) they pay us the remainder of cash AND the shirt deal expires after 8 years which means we can add on another shirt deal during the later stage of the deal.

2. Arsenal won't have a problem filling the new ground because we are not comparable to those clubs mentioned. (2) The new stadium itself will attract futher visitors and gives our boss an extra war chest then investing further into the team and then in turn help's sit bums on seats ala chavski. (3) Fans who couldn't go before will now say to themselves, "Hey, let's go to the new ground!!!".
(4) over 50,000 people on waiting list. End of discusion. As long as we fill it out for the first few seasons the war-chest that arsene wanted will be there.

You should become a stand up comedian.

GNU

December 19th, 2005, 12:58 AM

i think lower tiers can create better atmosphere and from the pitch(for the players) it looks better

Low/flat tiers are bad for the spectators.you dont have a good view on the pitch.
And imo steep tiers like for example in the Bernabeu or in the allianz arena look far more impressive from whatever viewpoint.
Of course do the tiers need to be located as nearly as possible to the pitch.

But keep in mind that they were forced to built the stands rather flat in the emirates stadium because of the heigth restrictions

kingdomca

December 20th, 2005, 06:46 PM

Low/flat tiers are bad for the spectators.you dont have a good view on the pitch.
And imo steep tiers like for example in the Bernabeu or in the allianz arena look far more impressive from whatever viewpoint.
Of course do the tiers need to be located as nearly as possible to the pitch.

well, I am not sure you are right.
Take the extremes as an example. extremly flat would be terrible, but so would extremly steep.

The best thing for atmosphere is probably not-too-steep lower tiers and steeper upper tiers and a sloping roof.

I think Allianz looks a bit strange with the steep lower tier and am not convinced its a good idea.

And as to what "looks impressive" who cares? well too many care, probably, but its not about looking impressive on pictures.

Toadboy

December 20th, 2005, 07:18 PM

As much as it pains me to agree with Mr Wonderful (even though the piece is a press piece) there's a lot of grey areas and questions around the funding of this stadium and it's short term impact on Arsenals ability to spend on players.

The Emirates deal is peanuts for what they've got in return, even Chelsea got a bigger deal for shirt sponsorship alone and no one can tell me Chelsea have a bigger and more sustained profile than Arsenal. The deal was forced on Arsenal by the Royal Bank of Scotland and it's lending partners.

Far from being the the thing that secure Arsenals long term future at the top table, this could be the thing that knocks Arsenal back 20 years.

MoreOrLess

December 20th, 2005, 07:28 PM

well, I am not sure you are right.
Take the extremes as an example. extremly flat would be terrible, but so would extremly steep.

The best thing for atmosphere is probably not-too-steep lower tiers and steeper upper tiers and a sloping roof.

I think Allianz looks a bit strange with the steep lower tier and am not convinced its a good idea.

And as to what "looks impressive" who cares? well too many care, probably, but its not about looking impressive on pictures.

There is such a thing as a too steep elivation I agree, it disconnects you from the rest of the crowd. While I don't think the elivation at emirates is ideal I don't foresee it being a massive problem either, it looks very similar to the AJ wait stand at Selhurst park which offers decent views.

ManchesterISwonderful

December 21st, 2005, 02:00 AM

As much as it pains me to agree with Mr Wonderful

I love you mate, you know that. . .

I actually think Liverpool shouldn't go ahead with their stadium plans. Just build a new three tier main stand, and get the capacity up to 55K. Plus it'd be a great shame to lose a historic ground such as Anfield. Not many around these days.

Noostairz

December 21st, 2005, 07:22 AM

Toadboy

December 21st, 2005, 11:29 AM

I love you mate, you know that. . .

I actually think Liverpool shouldn't go ahead with their stadium plans. Just build a new three tier main stand, and get the capacity up to 55K. Plus it'd be a great shame to lose a historic ground such as Anfield. Not many around these days.

I wouldn't disagree from the heart and after watching Olympiakos, Juve and Chelsea collapse at Anfield last year (the crowd scored against Chelsea) we ought to stay put.

It boils down to economics though LFC either stay as we are or move, it will cost £30/40 million to rebuild the Main Stand and extend the Anfield Rd, plus we'd lose gate incomes for 2/3 seasons - £60 million or so all in.

Arsenal had the same dilema, looking at it Arsenal got carried away on the back of title success, bouyant football in general and a property boom. They could end up paying a hefty price - Leeds (they won't be that bad), tottenham, Wolves, Chelsea etc. etc.

Rick Parry's an accountant, Moores is in it for LFC, unless Liverpool pull a large capital amount in and throw it straight at the stadium they will do nothing at the moment, the current board won't over stretch the club.

highburysouljah

December 21st, 2005, 12:02 PM

http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/loadfeat.asp?cid=EDZ6&id=257289

some info for those who think arsenal can't afford it

Toadboy

December 21st, 2005, 12:17 PM

highburysouljah

December 21st, 2005, 12:24 PM

where did u hear nike giving us that much

Toadboy

December 21st, 2005, 12:29 PM

Arsenals published accounts.

Most of Arsenals emirates and Nike money will be in before 2012, after then the Nike deal is mainly reliant upon success on the field. Both deals are poor in relation to what Chelsea and Liverpool have procured and very poor in relation to the mancs, Arsenal took them to get as much of the cash at the front end as possible.

highburysouljah

December 21st, 2005, 12:34 PM

arsenal haven't release any pic for december yet :bash:

bayern munich had heaps of pics every week from every angle!!

BaronVonChickenpants

December 21st, 2005, 12:55 PM

arsenal haven't release any pic for december yet :bash:

bayern munich had heaps of pics every week from every angle!!

they seem as bad as Wembley for update pics.
just hoping QPR draw Arsenal in the cup some time in the next season or two,thats the only hope i have of getting to see a game there

ManchesterISwonderful

December 21st, 2005, 01:17 PM

I wouldn't disagree from the heart and after watching Olympiakos, Juve and Chelsea collapse at Anfield last year (the crowd scored against Chelsea) we ought to stay put.

It boils down to economics though LFC either stay as we are or move, it will cost £30/40 million to rebuild the Main Stand and extend the Anfield Rd, plus we'd lose gate incomes for 2/3 seasons - £60 million or so all in.

Arsenal had the same dilema, looking at it Arsenal got carried away on the back of title success, bouyant football in general and a property boom. They could end up paying a hefty price - Leeds (they won't be that bad), tottenham, Wolves, Chelsea etc. etc.

Rick Parry's an accountant, Moores is in it for LFC, unless Liverpool pull a large capital amount in and throw it straight at the stadium they will do nothing at the moment, the current board won't over stretch the club.

2/3 seasons? or two thirds of a season?

We totally flattened United Road a decade or so ago. . . in place, built a huge three tier stand, which I think took a season to build. The capacity went down to 35,000 but it didn't matter in the long run. I can't see why your lot can't do the same. As for Anfield Road wait till the season after.

I think it's become fashionable to move to new grounds. Arsenal for example will suffer because of it. As much as I'd love to see LFC hit troubled times, I think it'd be a bad move on the whole.

kingdomca

December 21st, 2005, 09:21 PM

That's all supposing Arsenal get what they expect to get, it also doesn't account for the fact that Arsenal have already taken in a lot of money from the sale of facilities/seats etc and is using has used that money to finance the build.

The issue arsenal have is that they have already started to take in alot of cash for season tickets from the corporate section for a number of years for the new stadium. They are also due to get £55m from nike in the summer to help with the stadium. Having in excess of £70m+ missing from your cashflow over the first 5 years can be disastrous. They also are running out of properties to develop and sell. Lets put it this way, arsenal won't have any cash for transfers. Under their current loan arrangements they have to pay back well over £30m per year and possibly upto £50m. They have to pay back £77m in the next 5 years, excluding interest. The swaps they have against some of the debt is losing value rapidly too.

It's not that Arsenal can't afford it, it's that Arsenal can't afford it and to be able to run a top football side, any surplus from the new stadium will go on debt repayment in the short term.

Arsenal have £70 million in the bank, why isn't that going on the team? A football club does not need money in the bank, it needs it on the pitch. The answer is simple it's going to the banks.

So how come banks agreed to this? they will be aware of arsenal´s income and the fact they need a strong team to qualify for the CL.

To say they can afford the venue but then not a good team is surely nonsense as they need a good team to afford the place.

Knowing nothing of the specifics, just looking at the numbers, new facilities and the fact that its in London, well,I doubt Arsenal will have much difficulties financing this, though of course there is a risk, perhaps especially if Arsenal failes to qualify for the champions league in the new venue´s first season.

If they fail to do that, they will miss out on substantial income, directly and indirectly, and no doubt both the club and banks are on their toes making arrangements to make sure they move in to the new venue smoothly regarding revenue streams, transfer funds etc to not risk beginning an ongoing bad circle of non-qualifying and low income.

This makes it logic that they will go for deals that give them cash now, not later, but it doesnt mean the project is a disaster, it just means that the big risk is early on, while it looks good in the long run.

Toadboy

December 21st, 2005, 10:04 PM

Nail on the head King.

Zaqattaq

December 22nd, 2005, 02:24 AM

Probably a fake but still looks nice, the new strip for the new stadium.

http://free.managefootball.com/imagehosting/image/Calinho/tagpic27kx.jpg

highburysouljah

December 22nd, 2005, 07:16 AM

the ''fly emirates'' logo is at an angle so yeh its a fake, but arsenal order them to the pics off so it could be close to the real thing

Noostairz

December 22nd, 2005, 09:43 AM

that is a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice shirt!

i wish liverpool weren't with reebok. :bash:

highburysouljah

December 22nd, 2005, 10:09 AM

reminds me of the old dreamcast one

looks to old fashion

new stadium pics :bash:

unfrequented

December 23rd, 2005, 01:17 PM

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_1x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_2x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_3x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_4x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_5x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_6x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_7x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates23122005_8x.jpg

tv123

December 23rd, 2005, 01:44 PM

i like this stadium

GNU

December 23rd, 2005, 06:13 PM

well, I am not sure you are right.
Take the extremes as an example. extremly flat would be terrible, but so would extremly steep.

The best thing for atmosphere is probably not-too-steep lower tiers and steeper upper tiers and a sloping roof.

I think Allianz looks a bit strange with the steep lower tier and am not convinced its a good idea.

And as to what "looks impressive" who cares? well too many care, probably, but its not about looking impressive on pictures.

Whats wrong with steep tiers???

I think the steeper the better.Steep tiers dont have any disadvantages.
flat tiers do though.

MoreOrLess

December 24th, 2005, 01:12 AM

Whats wrong with steep tiers???

I think the steeper the better.Steep tiers dont have any disadvantages.
flat tiers do though.

Steep tiers are generally better than shallow ones I agree but if their too steep I'd say they have the effect of cutting you off from the atmosphere around you a little. Speaking personally the "overhead" view you get from the top of large steep stadiums isnt ideal either.

highburysouljah

December 24th, 2005, 11:17 AM

they need pics from diiferent angles

manicants2004

December 24th, 2005, 11:37 AM

The view from the top tier looks terrible.

J.P.

December 24th, 2005, 03:22 PM

seems that Arsenal's recent poor run on the field, has also brought out the doom mongers (specially from the rabble down the road :) ) predicting financial apocolypse for our great club!

Wishful thinking fellas!

Some initial facts. Total cost of the stadium and regeneration to the area (incl offset in purchasing the site freehold) = 359m GBP. Arsenal found 97m of this themselves leaving 260m of loans needed to complete the stadium project.

Property profits of in excess of 75m are due from deals with Wilson Connolly and Newlon Housing. (About 25m was booked by May 31 2005 with another 50m to come over next eighteen months)

Lucrative deals with up front pymts from Granada (30m) Nike (55m by July 2006) and Emirates (9m a year to 2012) used to soften cash flow impacts over initial few years.

Up to 46m a year of additional match day revenue from 2006/07 when we move in (obviously hints at continued on field success here) but break even is calculated as low as average of 40k.

Arsenal had cash reserves of 71.5m as per May accounts with an additional 13.5m for Vieira sitting in their coffers. Ample resources to invest in team rebuilding or reduce overall indebtedness.

And then theres the small matter of the 150m (minimum) to be realised by 2010 for the redevelopment of Highbury.

So celebrate our financial demise all you want fellas and enjoy our slump on the football field whilst it lasts, cause we'll be back stronger than ever. If not this year or next, soon :cheers: